From nobody Wed Jul 1 09:07:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24643A110E for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:07:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4k3jtY52s4PO for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x32b.google.com (mail-wm1-x32b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21E723A0AA0 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32b.google.com with SMTP id f18so23844622wml.3 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 09:07:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Z6Pa8A65o1PdCcuTp81A6iVmuDG1XX1TztRnZ2B0fAI=; b=mxJaLxsUgSw/XFcCLtLvRX9oBnX1TYaxcdU/bZjH2ZsNabktSqMVYiAzMBONGRTx4s CxqlWcnpA2bFnRplortJTu4oZRhRBuhct3UWohkFr1NFSI4oGcFZqGU9PmDG6BSoMkCW q0d/bqOut9tNtOeQLixUC3QjSbiLFH481kW/N6sBsaxpTe1zQi9RcDy0ln48MlyvVRtF /nxSkQIAcH0sLhxTja8kbQa2Oe+vTuWJv0OhJefSmhhBD30i0+iqarEXOsNu/OtnIrsl qYCb+UyM9ebSINTiRr2PXX+gkFT3bp4DygE9G+l++RCdgSvUNDtUpAUeB2fB9qAGSX2D 9Nvw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Z6Pa8A65o1PdCcuTp81A6iVmuDG1XX1TztRnZ2B0fAI=; b=C1Fu7A3XtM0e76eDnCCd0WPKYKX9vHg8CxLoeBJ90dBSV7JvoPpntph6bL5XexD+b0 Jf0ZRX38cZvBO3hyPZ3cJ3YZLLc8kJDJs+wfktCw6eePmaaf4xRjDzveaLNoAHbqMTB1 sQxuVKgZt6vq9a3lVoZRknjiACNeFCz6r//pu/XrHxJeAakbCy/Zhbw/gLbHQU65jttj 7idEK2/AwactcPLbuIZq8TIey8Udd1F9Pw0hm8h1DCENLqLxrMTPv75SoGG9f6l26qqe ehAvCgyEYLpq5UntiEEn9PoUB8sxTuMJNeE3ra8UtELoTjK8T2z3leFSW82xfQvwWrpa rdqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5311PK5Gvetj17zFYFVsxRwueJ0GQ5eDnG7aNGI26Dz46hg8rNaE Chykp22X4Oha6Oax1b+OFPpRJiAMUXmrlRgIGE0y6g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJygAa4sUyJYyaxzgVnCd8zkCl8watr6NkOIGi3ApUTywxyLaeK2ea2CIlr3sDp4wkJOxicbU2fNMCPloL/Rcm8= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:dd09:: with SMTP id u9mr26254913wmg.70.1593619619384; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 09:06:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <94415742-fc4e-1774-bf96-01eac3672bfb@joelhalpern.com> In-Reply-To: <94415742-fc4e-1774-bf96-01eac3672bfb@joelhalpern.com> From: Rishabh Parekh Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:06:46 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Joel M. Halpern" Cc: "spring@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 16:07:03 -0000 Joel, Your request was not "lost", but it fell between the cracks :) Anyway, responses inline. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:17 PM Joel M. Halpern wrote: > > I asked the authors a version of this question, but apparently my > request got lost. > > For now, this is speaking as an individual. And I sincerely hope that I > am merely missing something obvious. > > I can not figure out from the current draft how the replication segment > works in a SID (or label) stack. > Is there an unstated requirement that the segment must be the last one > in the stack? > If not, how is a global SID after teh replication SID understood? [RP] Replication SID does not need to be the last segment in the stack. Although Section 2 of draft does not state this explicitly, If there are other non-replication SIDs following the Replication SID, the NEXT operation at a downstream node of the segment should process those SIDs as normal. > Or is a replication SID implicitly also a binding SID, replacing the > rest of the stack no matter where it is in the stack? > In which case it is implicitly effectively last? [RP] At a root or a Replication SID, when the active segment is a Replication SID, it does act like a Binding SID in that it steers the packet into the Replication segment towards downstream nodes. Note that additional SIDs might be added on top of the Replication SID to steer the packet from Root to a given downstream node. The Replication SID will be at bottom of any such SIDs added to steer the packet, but again it does not have to be the bottom most SID in the stack. > Given taht a replication segment is qualified to a node, what happens if > there is more than one in a stack? Is it ignored when it hits a node it > does not apply to? [RP] On a given node, if an active SID in the stack is a Replication SID that the node does not understand, it cannot process the packet. This would be similar to any other kind of SID for which a node does not have any state. > > Do I believe this can be made to work? Yes. > But I can not understand how the WG could adopt the work with its > current lack of clarity. > And this appears to me to be fundamental enough stuff that it can't be > left to documents in other WGs. It seems central to the definition and > processing of replication SIDs. > [RP] Section 2 does specify behavior associated with Replication SID at different nodes in terms of PUSH, CONTINUE or NEXT operations. If it is not clear, we can enhance the text. > > Yours, > Joel - speaking as a participant > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring From nobody Wed Jul 1 09:18:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BCB3A1202 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:18:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CzXEWzqVnzYs for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-x429.google.com (mail-wr1-x429.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::429]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD2323A1200 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x429.google.com with SMTP id z15so13393874wrl.8 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 09:18:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GTcj0eHW75gbJbDj0bVU/0jXl8YrB27Lw8mL2FlWtdw=; b=n87tF4xJd4t/67GuY3R+1ld21TQL2RZvyOa5GOpqQJ4NZCzMOgT9bpwQeyHIwvdMLj Qsnt1kDBf1NJl+e1+45d7gsfMTlOWG5sp/4SvHzNh9LHt8efgZUICsqbFnwFw1oKrH/J EJSCUF7diXrvXAvw1EPDLhnMIXqDO39oMOqs9xTS7be3202DFkYhC0elK2n2NCpfp931 UNdJGFpwJ1kneMiu5/cn+eJCtF/if234xIGRwc89SoskuMROtAOqidI+4/QvU62d0kED TWgDrsLsCLQUG6VWm/wm6EyUeLDroOjMUCM6sZTxx9eG/y+KCBlkqfBjLF32dhJHh+/Q GSFg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GTcj0eHW75gbJbDj0bVU/0jXl8YrB27Lw8mL2FlWtdw=; b=BtxufzVEBTeY0NbOqdvYa59UU6E1pw8uGuboDL37OAVDUiu68qFoRaVpXqpAv0webR UyscRmM+T53HUM55VErq9yZXaKMjWJYFu6wWVwGAn0IjYJ8viUPv9nQp4hqs4Tl6WH8l tw+sz3Ukq8jHSWqxKZwxBNgnRkjJjJPXGSHVOXQvA7WParwHZE1DQ7HzsYcBnkDJ13Qj vGLeTYeHlKy0mGrFK0LhWf0mCr3AiPT24yEGwYRbHZDB1/9Oom+Qa6RFlrnVlIwmIKjo gvLydWg70xWFlGtH3z/QSUv+Nyl5IdkZHerg7ZRkrk63Tlht2ZbiZMuDKLfmCRc2jK+k i9Cw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532YQoUikYxIj6Pb9IuRPhWClVkUb23KicWJWswdbMx43bXwwwCP YGPbieAV7+8c9KoNGBaZ5KJtkixzPOLTpl8mOUliug== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyV+Aa4lj23Au+kzVoID47H+T6e/y/Bg+SkZr362q4F7csF/gs/FK5DqEIL00hxRJ9Z1Oj3o5UC2wu2qRhvrjY= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4ec7:: with SMTP id s7mr27128110wrv.400.1593620323213; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 09:18:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1E9BDBCC-868E-413F-800A-D91A30209FCE@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: From: Rishabh Parekh Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:18:29 -0700 Message-ID: To: Huaimo Chen Cc: "spring@ietf.org" , "bruno.decraene@orange.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 16:18:47 -0000 Huaimo, Responses inline below. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:46 AM Huaimo Chen wro= te: > > Hi Authors, > > I have a few of questions. > > Should a replication-segment be generalized to be a special SID (say = a multicast SID allocated from a multicast SID block)? , [RP] This is a good question. We have left this unspecified in draft because the Replication SID can be assigned either from SRGB, in which case it would be same on all nodes of Replication segment, or from SRLB where it could be different on the nodes. > > Should a replication-segment be associated with just a set of downstr= eam SIDs without the node-IDs? Where the downstream SIDs may be replicatio= n-segments or normal SIDs in some cases (for example when the downstream no= des are egresses). [RP] I don't understand the question. Can you clarify what you mean by "... without Node-IDs"? Note that Node-IDs are part of the Replication segment state, but only Replication SIDs are in the label stack. > > Should a state in a node for a replication-segment be removed? If a s= tate is stored in a node (each node) for a (each) replication segment of a = (each) SR P2MP path, there may be some scalability issue. This seems not co= nsistent with the principles of the segment routing, in which no state is s= tored in the core of the network. [RP] As mentioned in Introduction of the draft, there is no state required on intermediate nodes that are not part of a Replication segment. > > Best Regards, > Huaimo > -----Original Message----- > From: spring On Behalf Of Stone, Andrew (Nokia = - CA/Ottawa) > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 2:44 PM > To: bruno.decraene@orange.com; spring@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-voyer-spring-sr-replicat= ion-segment > > Hi Spring WG > > Support adoption. > > Willing to work on the document, and already participating in related doc= uments in PCE and IDR. > > Thanks > Andrew > > > On 2020-06-22, 10:46 AM, "spring on behalf of bruno.decraene@orange.com" = wrote: > > Hi SPRING WG, > > Authors of draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment [1] have asked f= or WG adoption. > > Please indicate your support, comments, or objection, for adopting th= is draft as a working group item by July 6th 2020. > > Could those who are willing to work on this document, please notify t= he list. That gives us an indication of the energy level in the working gro= up to work on this. > > As a reminder, the call for IPR has been done last November. 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I do see that the local processing is described in the draft. But that is not what I am asking. I am going to try to simplify the conventions to ask the question. I will list SIDs in the order they will be visited. And mark G-SID-X for a global SID, and R-SID-X for a replication SID. Suppose the stack looks like G-SID-1 R-SID-1 G-SID-2 G-SID-3 R-SID-2 G-SID-4 So the packet gets delivered to the node identified by G-SID-1. Great. That node sees an R-SID which it understands. So presumably it replicates the packet, and sends the packet (possibly with some prepended labels, presumably different prepended labels for different destination, controlled by policy. No problem with that part.) Now each of the packets geet to the end of the prepended labels, and each copy sees G-SID-2. At which point all of these various nodes that have received copies of the packet all send it to the node identified by G-SID-2. Huh? We just bombarded a node with useless and potentially harmful copies of the packet. then all those copies go to G-SID-3, which then processes R-SID-2, and replicates each and every copy to some set of destinations. Which then eventually bombard the node identified by G-SID-4. If the document said that the replication SID when it appears in the stack must be the last SID in the stack, and was either terminal for SID processing or was a binding SID, the above problem would be avoided. But the draft does not say that. Nor does your reply. Is there some other way this explosion is avoided? This seems to need to be described in the SPRING draft in order for any of us to understand if the approach is what we want as a starting point. just the idea of replication segments is not, in my personal view, enough clarity or value to be adopted as a working group document. Yours, Joel On 7/1/2020 12:06 PM, Rishabh Parekh wrote: > Joel, > Your request was not "lost", but it fell between the cracks :) > > Anyway, responses inline. > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:17 PM Joel M. Halpern wrote: >> >> I asked the authors a version of this question, but apparently my >> request got lost. >> >> For now, this is speaking as an individual. And I sincerely hope that I >> am merely missing something obvious. >> >> I can not figure out from the current draft how the replication segment >> works in a SID (or label) stack. >> Is there an unstated requirement that the segment must be the last one >> in the stack? >> If not, how is a global SID after teh replication SID understood? > > [RP] Replication SID does not need to be the last segment in the > stack. Although Section 2 of draft does not state this explicitly, If > there are other non-replication SIDs following the Replication SID, > the NEXT operation at a downstream node of the segment should process > those SIDs as normal. > >> Or is a replication SID implicitly also a binding SID, replacing the >> rest of the stack no matter where it is in the stack? >> In which case it is implicitly effectively last? > > [RP] At a root or a Replication SID, when the active segment is a > Replication SID, it does act like a Binding SID in that it steers the > packet into the Replication segment towards downstream nodes. Note > that additional SIDs might be added on top of the Replication SID to > steer the packet from Root to a given downstream node. The Replication > SID will be at bottom of any such SIDs added to steer the packet, but > again it does not have to be the bottom most SID in the stack. > >> Given taht a replication segment is qualified to a node, what happens if >> there is more than one in a stack? Is it ignored when it hits a node it >> does not apply to? > > [RP] On a given node, if an active SID in the stack is a Replication > SID that the node does not understand, it cannot process the packet. > This would be similar to any other kind of SID for which a node does > not have any state. >> >> Do I believe this can be made to work? Yes. >> But I can not understand how the WG could adopt the work with its >> current lack of clarity. >> And this appears to me to be fundamental enough stuff that it can't be >> left to documents in other WGs. It seems central to the definition and >> processing of replication SIDs. >> > > [RP] Section 2 does specify behavior associated with Replication SID > at different nodes in terms of PUSH, CONTINUE or NEXT operations. If > it is not clear, we can enhance the text. >> >> Yours, >> Joel - speaking as a participant >> >> _______________________________________________ >> spring mailing list >> spring@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > From nobody Wed Jul 1 11:51:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C20D3A0BD3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id stsVRrgDPhZB for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 11:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x344.google.com (mail-wm1-x344.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::344]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08BD53A0BCC for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 11:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x344.google.com with SMTP id w3so12035131wmi.4 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 11:51:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=fiZaBE+JW+TRS4RZO16t0lWHADs4QaQbUceKKCca6hE=; b=tb+jgpjo1VKW/Qyv6fpYzyxpWLZtfHRj0V9iAjIvv9I3KsE0uKMYllF9ttFHbtHFGM r9quNoGcI47C4o7L49/ZUeJyPZqIqpD1pWPfi/HadE5KbBwqvYvJkXAy8kOFfTjrv827 aC9qDQKP37ficLmSSCzZP5IvLIq5niI2cyO8AYdq8lnbrVWkGC4JVQPD6frQKLJSBR9T UpVSPsy0GpQlgL15TpKBPpVjnyT7SbPp2HsMthOtEwF87drnIO/H+YWee3+d4rFo9SIF QPAhGTy+0Q9A2F1S48FOMLOf+QpkfbCu/iQJPRHMI9Ry6WnKuSr88bVsG6FG8qJbOi3v SEhg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fiZaBE+JW+TRS4RZO16t0lWHADs4QaQbUceKKCca6hE=; b=jcP82txiYw3V0EjRVEb+wuPEIPJxtrA26RRXGS6ma0XVmp9Gj4Hg7LjoaO29NWfdRq c+oSgHpR5tPDSFZfcs9ah9luhSJoKwfDDFpGpdP60DfAxvM3d1dgqJ8f6LDT7e78UjGK MawpIMapQUkAF2cSrJNc3J7wVJkTU43wvsmPPiCZR/Lmh4V9baN5HoXMFUeKpx1aaTms dUbE5mFcErIGS2SfJ4zT6Ffm61FLVANg/eUEUz1qcaPFsXp+/K+s9Y75MmtnVLoAZo2J pFtj0EJdyRERW3XIzcdbrgk/3loqgvp5WVW9RPYDWRG+oT3rJWKVi/NHJlM6co+kmeQM ukhw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532dpsdB8mN0Otx1Esh7X9YeTCT6xtPgGZp1roA6WKrW8dzlMeV8 x3EwkFn8lvIt9GFVKySdd/HP/DIoe3SSpzuSDZlp9w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwcVkVNWccBZMNTiOzaTf6rJDtwmWGK+eXmQ/btyPJqU3eEDXSDaaJbqJbsG/LqgYroJv9iooIwRZrheSBsNoQ= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c952:: with SMTP id i18mr29758934wml.65.1593629504433; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 11:51:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <94415742-fc4e-1774-bf96-01eac3672bfb@joelhalpern.com> In-Reply-To: From: Rishabh Parekh Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 11:51:31 -0700 Message-ID: To: Joel Halpern Direct Cc: "spring@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 18:51:48 -0000 Joel, I now understand the question better with the example you provided. The draft states that replication SID must be still part of the stack so that downstream node can process it appropriately. In your example, if replication SID is the same at all nodes, R-SID-1 will be in the label stack and will be the active SID when the packet reaches a given downstream node. In the use cases we describe, either the replication SID is the last SID in the stack and performs either a NEXT operation to process the payload, or a CONTINUE operation to stitch the packet to another replication segment as described in PIM WG draft, or both NEXT and CONTINUE. But the draft does not preclude NEXT operation of R-SID1 with the label stack in your example. Of course, care must be taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describe it. G-SID-2 has to map to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each domain. Although the use cases are not intended to cover the scenario you describe, maybe we can document this "explosion" in security considerations of the draft. -Rishabh On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:24 AM Joel Halpern Direct wrote: > > I am not sure I understand the answer. I do see that the local > processing is described in the draft. But that is not what I am asking. > > I am going to try to simplify the conventions to ask the question. I > will list SIDs in the order they will be visited. And mark G-SID-X for > a global SID, and R-SID-X for a replication SID. > > Suppose the stack looks like > > G-SID-1 > R-SID-1 > G-SID-2 > G-SID-3 > R-SID-2 > G-SID-4 > > So the packet gets delivered to the node identified by G-SID-1. Great. > That node sees an R-SID which it understands. So presumably it > replicates the packet, and sends the packet (possibly with some > prepended labels, presumably different prepended labels for different > destination, controlled by policy. No problem with that part.) > > Now each of the packets geet to the end of the prepended labels, and > each copy sees G-SID-2. At which point all of these various nodes that > have received copies of the packet all send it to the node identified by > G-SID-2. Huh? We just bombarded a node with useless and potentially > harmful copies of the packet. then all those copies go to G-SID-3, > which then processes R-SID-2, and replicates each and every copy to some > set of destinations. Which then eventually bombard the node identified > by G-SID-4. > > If the document said that the replication SID when it appears in the > stack must be the last SID in the stack, and was either terminal for SID > processing or was a binding SID, the above problem would be avoided. > But the draft does not say that. Nor does your reply. > > Is there some other way this explosion is avoided? This seems to need > to be described in the SPRING draft in order for any of us to understand > if the approach is what we want as a starting point. just the idea of > replication segments is not, in my personal view, enough clarity or > value to be adopted as a working group document. > > Yours, > Joel > > On 7/1/2020 12:06 PM, Rishabh Parekh wrote: > > Joel, > > Your request was not "lost", but it fell between the cracks :) > > > > Anyway, responses inline. > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:17 PM Joel M. Halpern wrote: > >> > >> I asked the authors a version of this question, but apparently my > >> request got lost. > >> > >> For now, this is speaking as an individual. And I sincerely hope that I > >> am merely missing something obvious. > >> > >> I can not figure out from the current draft how the replication segment > >> works in a SID (or label) stack. > >> Is there an unstated requirement that the segment must be the last one > >> in the stack? > >> If not, how is a global SID after teh replication SID understood? > > > > [RP] Replication SID does not need to be the last segment in the > > stack. Although Section 2 of draft does not state this explicitly, If > > there are other non-replication SIDs following the Replication SID, > > the NEXT operation at a downstream node of the segment should process > > those SIDs as normal. > > > >> Or is a replication SID implicitly also a binding SID, replacing the > >> rest of the stack no matter where it is in the stack? > >> In which case it is implicitly effectively last? > > > > [RP] At a root or a Replication SID, when the active segment is a > > Replication SID, it does act like a Binding SID in that it steers the > > packet into the Replication segment towards downstream nodes. Note > > that additional SIDs might be added on top of the Replication SID to > > steer the packet from Root to a given downstream node. The Replication > > SID will be at bottom of any such SIDs added to steer the packet, but > > again it does not have to be the bottom most SID in the stack. > > > >> Given taht a replication segment is qualified to a node, what happens if > >> there is more than one in a stack? Is it ignored when it hits a node it > >> does not apply to? > > > > [RP] On a given node, if an active SID in the stack is a Replication > > SID that the node does not understand, it cannot process the packet. > > This would be similar to any other kind of SID for which a node does > > not have any state. > >> > >> Do I believe this can be made to work? Yes. > >> But I can not understand how the WG could adopt the work with its > >> current lack of clarity. > >> And this appears to me to be fundamental enough stuff that it can't be > >> left to documents in other WGs. It seems central to the definition and > >> processing of replication SIDs. > >> > > > > [RP] Section 2 does specify behavior associated with Replication SID > > at different nodes in terms of PUSH, CONTINUE or NEXT operations. If > > it is not clear, we can enhance the text. > >> > >> Yours, > >> Joel - speaking as a participant > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> spring mailing list > >> spring@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > > > _______________________________________________ > > spring mailing list > > spring@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > From nobody Wed Jul 1 12:02:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60DB3A0C03 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:01:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, PDS_BTC_ID=0.499, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZS1UTxtIvIya for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x32b.google.com (mail-wm1-x32b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9B343A0C5E for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32b.google.com with SMTP id j18so23650108wmi.3 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 12:01:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=blbhCRip3ccA3Zl4AWXOuE0+oCxTS7BmYFptFIDT+9c=; b=Zy6QtfNV8SnS0hnWWwXjMHt4uGP11dOp0xA36agsX1zgBZ2dmy77bsuJ/VEktygdWR mD9u2sU+vcaQP/XSMSToIXKXQAOPjyGtWE2lqNz6+YL35X76r1OuOIr93LdBvgxS69Ga zS9BBq41DOEsPOZeb6RQEMua2DAYTrbI28v2YecKX+fddS1wobRKdsJ/s/DmKd6Z1n+z 8kO3SPK4fxFtzPGvr9dgGMxwGibWnYOY7wK5g606R/f7/FZWzDpnYSGx2VjGyWWceXzi 4ZCdQuzDyUfuvrg3SoifhuXbo/zTr14AAedo4UEOajRBS2Z+WAZiIU0aEBbJKFCJABVO /CSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=blbhCRip3ccA3Zl4AWXOuE0+oCxTS7BmYFptFIDT+9c=; b=HbjUghPxXjJbF6JgAUYgnzK9VxNzwjaCQ5h6nJm8Gr9KdEasITJ6CHfY8/uN6X8SWz N9T5Uhl/rwVI5hlWx5cE5ppKTFd+ALjhZ9WzTdJ+X54I5YjTejVS9yayK3v0qtstWi2G ER0Oq/qMzJvsJkoc7YT+zX/JP76pPXnarDKvOI3N7S9tEeKKtIRMB3u2B3Z0eReGS32j VRUFtMMhaw+gVLdIUKySSyIdz4sDXWG2aPRMvnFddxK9eBo2eOnjnMLNkjPRk3/7thAW aZ5p4z3ZqaH9QRM9+Tyf7Fl7gWjCsVWiuwzFCLQXevkSw1eWTW4hdOaVjrSGWLtsmwZ6 mphw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530T+jKszdfke42Nob16p7kBtiq8KUzrjKzt3yZWwuVXm/0IUX48 nIMth3UoqKJyiDUEvq30a3orumFIgOTXqLjKu7g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxXLvX5eTNXccc8WTJG5Y5CsRJI6u0YmGDJ3+WwIXVRt4XtbUwi3qWVdedsZEVFxva++FuqR6JCpCi0G4SUnuA= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:ca43:: with SMTP id m3mr20952521wml.120.1593630114249; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <94415742-fc4e-1774-bf96-01eac3672bfb@joelhalpern.com> In-Reply-To: From: Rishabh Parekh Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:01:41 -0700 Message-ID: To: Alexander Vainshtein Cc: Joel Halpern Direct , "spring@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 19:02:06 -0000 Sasha, As I explained in my reply to Joel's e-mail, use cases in draft only cover scenarios where R-SID-1 is the last segment in stack for either NEXT or CONTINUE operation, but stack Joel described is not excluded as long as G-SID-2 resolves to a unique node. How the node that imposes this stack determines the value of G-SID-2, or other segments in the stack after R-SID-1 is outside scope of the draft. -Rishabh On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:42 AM Alexander Vainshtein wrote: > > Joel, Rishabh and all, > I think that in the case of SR-MPLS the problems with Joel's example begi= n much earlier. > > The node that sends the packet using the list of SIDs must encode each SI= D as a label in the label stack. > > It knows how to do so for G-SID-1 which is represented as an index -- not= hing new with that > It probably knows how to do so for R-SID-1. > > But encoding G-SID-2 (also known as an index) becomes outright impossible= if the Downstream nodes of the Replication segment have different SRGB bas= e. > > What, if anything, did I miss? > Is usage of Replication segment limited to the case when all the nodes in= the SR-MPLS domain have the same SRGB base? > > And, BTW, how is R-SID-1 encoded in the SRH in the case of SRv6? > > My 2c, > Sasha > > > > > > Get Outlook for Android > > ________________________________ > From: spring on behalf of Joel Halpern Direct <= jmh.direct@joelhalpern.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 19:24 > To: Rishabh Parekh > Cc: spring@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft > > I am not sure I understand the answer. I do see that the local > processing is described in the draft. But that is not what I am asking. > > I am going to try to simplify the conventions to ask the question. I > will list SIDs in the order they will be visited. And mark G-SID-X for > a global SID, and R-SID-X for a replication SID. > > Suppose the stack looks like > > G-SID-1 > R-SID-1 > G-SID-2 > G-SID-3 > R-SID-2 > G-SID-4 > > So the packet gets delivered to the node identified by G-SID-1. Great. > That node sees an R-SID which it understands. So presumably it > replicates the packet, and sends the packet (possibly with some > prepended labels, presumably different prepended labels for different > destination, controlled by policy. No problem with that part.) > > Now each of the packets geet to the end of the prepended labels, and > each copy sees G-SID-2. At which point all of these various nodes that > have received copies of the packet all send it to the node identified by > G-SID-2. Huh? We just bombarded a node with useless and potentially > harmful copies of the packet. then all those copies go to G-SID-3, > which then processes R-SID-2, and replicates each and every copy to some > set of destinations. Which then eventually bombard the node identified > by G-SID-4. > > If the document said that the replication SID when it appears in the > stack must be the last SID in the stack, and was either terminal for SID > processing or was a binding SID, the above problem would be avoided. > But the draft does not say that. Nor does your reply. > > Is there some other way this explosion is avoided? This seems to need > to be described in the SPRING draft in order for any of us to understand > if the approach is what we want as a starting point. just the idea of > replication segments is not, in my personal view, enough clarity or > value to be adopted as a working group document. > > Yours, > Joel > > On 7/1/2020 12:06 PM, Rishabh Parekh wrote: > > Joel, > > Your request was not "lost", but it fell between the cracks :) > > > > Anyway, responses inline. > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:17 PM Joel M. Halpern w= rote: > >> > >> I asked the authors a version of this question, but apparently my > >> request got lost. > >> > >> For now, this is speaking as an individual. And I sincerely hope that= I > >> am merely missing something obvious. > >> > >> I can not figure out from the current draft how the replication segmen= t > >> works in a SID (or label) stack. > >> Is there an unstated requirement that the segment must be the last one > >> in the stack? > >> If not, how is a global SID after teh replication SID understood? > > > > [RP] Replication SID does not need to be the last segment in the > > stack. Although Section 2 of draft does not state this explicitly, If > > there are other non-replication SIDs following the Replication SID, > > the NEXT operation at a downstream node of the segment should process > > those SIDs as normal. > > > >> Or is a replication SID implicitly also a binding SID, replacing the > >> rest of the stack no matter where it is in the stack? > >> In which case it is implicitly effectively last? > > > > [RP] At a root or a Replication SID, when the active segment is a > > Replication SID, it does act like a Binding SID in that it steers the > > packet into the Replication segment towards downstream nodes. Note > > that additional SIDs might be added on top of the Replication SID to > > steer the packet from Root to a given downstream node. The Replication > > SID will be at bottom of any such SIDs added to steer the packet, but > > again it does not have to be the bottom most SID in the stack. > > > >> Given taht a replication segment is qualified to a node, what happens = if > >> there is more than one in a stack? Is it ignored when it hits a node = it > >> does not apply to? > > > > [RP] On a given node, if an active SID in the stack is a Replication > > SID that the node does not understand, it cannot process the packet. > > This would be similar to any other kind of SID for which a node does > > not have any state. > >> > >> Do I believe this can be made to work? Yes. > >> But I can not understand how the WG could adopt the work with its > >> current lack of clarity. > >> And this appears to me to be fundamental enough stuff that it can't be > >> left to documents in other WGs. It seems central to the definition an= d > >> processing of replication SIDs. > >> > > > > [RP] Section 2 does specify behavior associated with Replication SID > > at different nodes in terms of PUSH, CONTINUE or NEXT operations. 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G-SID-2 has to map > to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes > packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the > downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment > routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each > domain. I think you are stretching it too thin. See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that physical nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse. Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now to be a different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example. I think we have two options: A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the stack B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SID which locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each replicated flow. What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive and IMHO will result in operational difficulties. Thx a lot, R. --0000000000001e35f905a9664970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Rishabh,

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> taken to avoid the "explosion" a= s you describe it. G-SID-2 has to map
> to a unique node; for example= , it may be an Anycast-SID that takes
> packet to distinct nodes from= each of the downstream node, or the
> downstream nodes can be border= nodes connecting to other segment
> routing domains where G-SID-2 re= solves to distinct nodes in each
> domain.

I= think you are stretching=C2=A0it too thin.=C2=A0

= See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that physical no= des packets will land on would be at all diverse.=C2=A0

Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now to b= e a different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example.=C2= =A0

I think we have two options:=C2=A0
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A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on = the stack=C2=A0

B) Instead of real SID after the r= eplication SID provide a binding SID which locally will be mapped to a diff= erent SID list imposed to each=C2=A0replicated flow.=C2=A0

What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive a= nd IMHO will result in operational difficulties.=C2=A0

=
Thx a lot,
R.
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We would be fine with A), but we don't want to exclude possibility of something like what you describe in B. -Rishabh On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert Raszuk wrote: > > Hi Rishabh, > > > Of course, care must be > > taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describe it. G-SID-2 has to map > > to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes > > packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the > > downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment > > routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each > > domain. > > I think you are stretching it too thin. > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that physical nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse. > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now to be a different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example. > > I think we have two options: > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the stack > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SID which locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each replicated flow. > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive and IMHO will result in operational difficulties. > > Thx a lot, > R. From nobody Wed Jul 1 12:42:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C423A0CA3 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:42:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hJSwkb82gx-0 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailb2.tigertech.net (mailb2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56EB53A0CA2 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49xs7z1Phmz1ntlm; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:42:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1593632559; bh=QwzNBk2vC2+i/3P89bbd8CD6p0+WD1PSIIH/H9hVWEE=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=K9bs7j11qOIBjFVaEYI2E0oStG/kYmFQYeqCSdMOdvLFq4Q44wA6BVQt/L/wfg+Nx ehp2/buMre65XGSyriskIFOKvp40e+0pUwC32bdbusUGCCazw83kudPyesm9YPKebR nsFcEl0h4eLyoVxpAf429BKTqVQvx4PThwvcVtaA= X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at b2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49xs7y4sW1z1ny1d; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:42:38 -0700 (PDT) To: Rishabh Parekh Cc: "spring@ietf.org" References: <94415742-fc4e-1774-bf96-01eac3672bfb@joelhalpern.com> From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: <9b09cf1e-2cdf-850e-fd20-187421d3d4b3@joelhalpern.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 15:42:36 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 19:42:41 -0000 Any SID behavior needs to be defined in a SPRING draft as far as I can tell. PIM defines how those behaviors are triggered / associated. At least, that is how I have understood all the other behavioral and routing protocol handling. It is, for example, why the network programming draft was a SPRING draft and not an IDR or LSR draft. So if "continue" is a new behavior, it needs to be defined here, not in a PIM draft. And from everything you describe, this draft should require that the replication segment be the last element in the SID stack (label stack, ...) as it appears in the packet at the time of reception and processing of the replication segment identifier. That can result in local processing of the underlying packet, gatewaying of the packet to other multicast, replication of the packet with new SID stacks on the different replicas, etc. But having a stack after the replication segment sure sounds like a recipe for disaster. Yours, Joel On 7/1/2020 2:51 PM, Rishabh Parekh wrote: > Joel, > I now understand the question better with the example you provided. > > The draft states that replication SID must be still part of the stack > so that downstream node can process it appropriately. In your example, > if replication SID is the same at all nodes, R-SID-1 will be in the > label stack and will be the active SID when the packet reaches a given > downstream node. In the use cases we describe, either the replication > SID is the last SID in the stack and performs either a NEXT operation > to process the payload, or a CONTINUE operation to stitch the packet > to another replication segment as described in PIM WG draft, or both > NEXT and CONTINUE. But the draft does not preclude NEXT operation of > R-SID1 with the label stack in your example. Of course, care must be > taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describe it. G-SID-2 has to map > to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes > packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the > downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment > routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each > domain. > > Although the use cases are not intended to cover the scenario you > describe, maybe we can document this "explosion" in security > considerations of the draft. > > -Rishabh > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:24 AM Joel Halpern Direct > wrote: >> >> I am not sure I understand the answer. I do see that the local >> processing is described in the draft. But that is not what I am asking. >> >> I am going to try to simplify the conventions to ask the question. I >> will list SIDs in the order they will be visited. And mark G-SID-X for >> a global SID, and R-SID-X for a replication SID. >> >> Suppose the stack looks like >> >> G-SID-1 >> R-SID-1 >> G-SID-2 >> G-SID-3 >> R-SID-2 >> G-SID-4 >> >> So the packet gets delivered to the node identified by G-SID-1. Great. >> That node sees an R-SID which it understands. So presumably it >> replicates the packet, and sends the packet (possibly with some >> prepended labels, presumably different prepended labels for different >> destination, controlled by policy. No problem with that part.) >> >> Now each of the packets geet to the end of the prepended labels, and >> each copy sees G-SID-2. At which point all of these various nodes that >> have received copies of the packet all send it to the node identified by >> G-SID-2. Huh? We just bombarded a node with useless and potentially >> harmful copies of the packet. then all those copies go to G-SID-3, >> which then processes R-SID-2, and replicates each and every copy to some >> set of destinations. Which then eventually bombard the node identified >> by G-SID-4. >> >> If the document said that the replication SID when it appears in the >> stack must be the last SID in the stack, and was either terminal for SID >> processing or was a binding SID, the above problem would be avoided. >> But the draft does not say that. Nor does your reply. >> >> Is there some other way this explosion is avoided? This seems to need >> to be described in the SPRING draft in order for any of us to understand >> if the approach is what we want as a starting point. just the idea of >> replication segments is not, in my personal view, enough clarity or >> value to be adopted as a working group document. >> >> Yours, >> Joel >> >> On 7/1/2020 12:06 PM, Rishabh Parekh wrote: >>> Joel, >>> Your request was not "lost", but it fell between the cracks :) >>> >>> Anyway, responses inline. >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:17 PM Joel M. Halpern wrote: >>>> >>>> I asked the authors a version of this question, but apparently my >>>> request got lost. >>>> >>>> For now, this is speaking as an individual. And I sincerely hope that I >>>> am merely missing something obvious. >>>> >>>> I can not figure out from the current draft how the replication segment >>>> works in a SID (or label) stack. >>>> Is there an unstated requirement that the segment must be the last one >>>> in the stack? >>>> If not, how is a global SID after teh replication SID understood? >>> >>> [RP] Replication SID does not need to be the last segment in the >>> stack. Although Section 2 of draft does not state this explicitly, If >>> there are other non-replication SIDs following the Replication SID, >>> the NEXT operation at a downstream node of the segment should process >>> those SIDs as normal. >>> >>>> Or is a replication SID implicitly also a binding SID, replacing the >>>> rest of the stack no matter where it is in the stack? >>>> In which case it is implicitly effectively last? >>> >>> [RP] At a root or a Replication SID, when the active segment is a >>> Replication SID, it does act like a Binding SID in that it steers the >>> packet into the Replication segment towards downstream nodes. Note >>> that additional SIDs might be added on top of the Replication SID to >>> steer the packet from Root to a given downstream node. The Replication >>> SID will be at bottom of any such SIDs added to steer the packet, but >>> again it does not have to be the bottom most SID in the stack. >>> >>>> Given taht a replication segment is qualified to a node, what happens if >>>> there is more than one in a stack? Is it ignored when it hits a node it >>>> does not apply to? >>> >>> [RP] On a given node, if an active SID in the stack is a Replication >>> SID that the node does not understand, it cannot process the packet. >>> This would be similar to any other kind of SID for which a node does >>> not have any state. >>>> >>>> Do I believe this can be made to work? Yes. >>>> But I can not understand how the WG could adopt the work with its >>>> current lack of clarity. >>>> And this appears to me to be fundamental enough stuff that it can't be >>>> left to documents in other WGs. It seems central to the definition and >>>> processing of replication SIDs. >>>> >>> >>> [RP] Section 2 does specify behavior associated with Replication SID >>> at different nodes in terms of PUSH, CONTINUE or NEXT operations. If >>> it is not clear, we can enhance the text. >>>> >>>> Yours, >>>> Joel - speaking as a participant >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> spring mailing list >>>> spring@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> spring mailing list >>> spring@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring >>> From nobody Wed Jul 1 12:44:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098C13A0CAE for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:44:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5yPqti-4061d for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailb2.tigertech.net (mailb2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70F3B3A0CAB for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49xsBJ1nP5z1nvr2; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:44:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1593632680; bh=bH7SJYjQ1MDrkHLYHSiFgILhFiepnW16rrhyaL19yB4=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=XFWGqC0X+/dlYS+CTlsQZhtKO4orYXeuCFFfHZUOUYT48ljIP5nZ60lY5n92bLZrK 38434eK4O1W3u23DAP1bQ0MLCoMTB9VLGPubKY0OifOJ/BX9ZnJ1mWTgJGOoAGrRFv fMAG4cnkVyqJ2t2s2hqfZVSilM1W8FAJPgjzpM20= X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at b2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49xsBH3rLrz1ntlm; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:44:39 -0700 (PDT) To: Alexander Vainshtein , Robert Raszuk , Rishabh Parekh Cc: "spring@ietf.org" References: <94415742-fc4e-1774-bf96-01eac3672bfb@joelhalpern.com> From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: <7aac7bc7-af63-8073-c66e-0d608dc7b4d7@joelhalpern.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 15:44:37 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 19:44:42 -0000 I don't even bind if the binding SID behavior is part of the replication SID (with different binding results in different directions). Which would seem to allow multi-stage replication even with requirement A. Allowing a binding SID after the replication SID seems to require that the explicit binding SID, t the replicating node, have different meanings for different directions. Or something?? Yours, Joel On 7/1/2020 3:42 PM, Alexander Vainshtein wrote: > Robert, Rishabh and all, > I concur with Robert but would like to add that Option A woild > effectively eliminate the possibility of building MDTs with more than > one level using Replication Segments. > > Which is probably not the intent of the draft. > > My 2c. > > Get Outlook for Android > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* spring on behalf of Robert Raszuk > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 22:27 > *To:* Rishabh Parekh > *Cc:* Joel Halpern Direct; spring@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft > > Hi Rishabh, > >  > Of course, care must be > > taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describe it. G-SID-2 has to map > > to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes > > packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the > > downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment > > routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each > > domain. > > I think you are stretching it too thin. > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that physical > nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse. > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now to be a > different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example. > > I think we have two options: > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the stack > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SID > which locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to > each replicated flow. > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive and > IMHO will result in operational difficulties. > > Thx a lot, > R. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Notice: This e-mail together with any attachments may contain > information of Ribbon Communications Inc. that is confidential and/or > proprietary for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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If that is the goal here IMHO it deserves a whole separate document .... In general when we replicate we take a packet and copy it to interfaces A, B ... Z. That's a local rule I presume executed for flows containing R-SID-n. But we just can't send the packet with identical list of SIDs from that point on any outgoing interface as results will be rather poor. We need custom list for each outbound interface and that is something I am not seeing in the draft. Till this is explained I would keep thinking that building MDTs should be more of as control plane task. Thx. R. On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:42 PM Alexander Vainshtein < Alexander.Vainshtein@rbbn.com> wrote: > Robert, Rishabh and all, > I concur with Robert but would like to add that Option A woild effectively > eliminate the possibility of building MDTs with more than one level using > Replication Segments. > > Which is probably not the intent of the draft. > > My 2c. > > Get Outlook for Android > > ------------------------------ > *From:* spring on behalf of Robert Raszuk < > robert@raszuk.net> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 22:27 > *To:* Rishabh Parekh > *Cc:* Joel Halpern Direct; spring@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft > > Hi Rishabh, > > > Of course, care must be > > taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describe it. G-SID-2 has to map > > to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes > > packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the > > downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment > > routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each > > domain. > > I think you are stretching it too thin. > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that physical > nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse. > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now to be a > different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example. > > I think we have two options: > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the stack > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SID > which locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to > each replicated flow. > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive and IMHO > will result in operational difficulties. > > Thx a lot, > R. > > > > ------------------------------ > Notice: This e-mail together with any attachments may contain information > of Ribbon Communications Inc. that is confidential and/or proprietary for > the sole use of the intended recipient. 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Hi Alexander,

Do we really know how to = build MDTs as source routed chains ?=C2=A0

If that= is the goal here IMHO it deserves a whole separate document ....=C2=A0

In general when we replicate we take a packet and cop= y it to interfaces A, B ... Z. That's a local rule I presume executed f= or flows containing R-SID-n. But we just can't send the packet with ide= ntical list of SIDs from that point on any outgoing interface as results wi= ll be rather poor.=C2=A0

We need custom list for e= ach outbound interface and that is something I am not seeing in the draft. = Till this is explained I would keep thinking that building MDTs should be m= ore of as control plane task.=C2=A0

Thx.
R.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:42 PM Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@rbbn.com> wrote= :
Robert, Rishabh and all,
I concur with Robert but would like to add that Option A woild effectively = eliminate the possibility of building MDTs with more than one level using R= eplication Segments.

Which is probably not the intent of the draft.

My 2c.

Get Outlook for Android=
From: spring <s= pring-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 22:27
To: Rishabh Parekh
Cc: Joel Halpern Direct; spring@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft<= br>

Hi Rishabh,

=C2=A0> Of course, care must be
> taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describe it. G-SID-2 h= as to map
> to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes
> packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the
> downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment
> routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each
> domain.

I think you are stretching=C2=A0it too thin.=C2=A0

See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that physic= al nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse.=C2=A0

Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now to be= a different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example.=C2= =A0

I think we have two options:=C2=A0

A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the stack= =C2=A0

B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SID= which locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each=C2=A0= replicated flow.=C2=A0

What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive and I= MHO will result in operational difficulties.=C2=A0

Thx a lot,
R.



Notice: This = e-mail together with any attachments may contain information of Ribbon Comm= unications Inc. that is confidential and/or proprietary for the sole use of= the intended recipient. Any review, disclosure, reliance or distribution = by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. = If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediatel= y and then delete all copies, including any attachments.
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Building MDTs for services is covered in a separate draft in BESS: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-parekh-bess-mvpn-evpn-sr-p2mp/ -Rishabh On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:56 PM Robert Raszuk wrote: > > Hi Alexander, > > Do we really know how to build MDTs as source routed chains ? > > If that is the goal here IMHO it deserves a whole separate document .... > > In general when we replicate we take a packet and copy it to interfaces A= , B ... Z. That's a local rule I presume executed for flows containing R-SI= D-n. But we just can't send the packet with identical list of SIDs from tha= t point on any outgoing interface as results will be rather poor. > > We need custom list for each outbound interface and that is something I a= m not seeing in the draft. Till this is explained I would keep thinking tha= t building MDTs should be more of as control plane task. > > Thx. > R. > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:42 PM Alexander Vainshtein wrote: >> >> Robert, Rishabh and all, >> I concur with Robert but would like to add that Option A woild effective= ly eliminate the possibility of building MDTs with more than one level usin= g Replication Segments. >> >> Which is probably not the intent of the draft. >> >> My 2c. >> >> Get Outlook for Android >> >> ________________________________ >> From: spring on behalf of Robert Raszuk >> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 22:27 >> To: Rishabh Parekh >> Cc: Joel Halpern Direct; spring@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft >> >> Hi Rishabh, >> >> > Of course, care must be >> > taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describe it. G-SID-2 has to map >> > to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes >> > packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the >> > downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment >> > routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each >> > domain. >> >> I think you are stretching it too thin. >> >> See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that physical= nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse. >> >> Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now to be a= different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example. >> >> I think we have two options: >> >> A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the stack >> >> B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SID w= hich locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each replica= ted flow. >> >> What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive and IMH= O will result in operational difficulties. >> >> Thx a lot, >> R. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Notice: This e-mail together with any attachments may contain informatio= n of Ribbon Communications Inc. that is confidential and/or proprietary for= the sole use of the intended recipient. 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Halpern" Message-ID: <0065c14a-9e1a-ec0f-f1eb-614fd6d6a644@joelhalpern.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 19:10:51 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 23:10:57 -0000 What I think this draft could use is a description of what the legal and illegal ways of constructing the tools are, so that other drafts can then properly use the tools. Yours, Joel On 7/1/2020 6:55 PM, Rishabh Parekh wrote: > Sasha, > I agree with Robert. Building MDTs for services is covered in a > separate draft in BESS: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-parekh-bess-mvpn-evpn-sr-p2mp/ > > -Rishabh > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:56 PM Robert Raszuk wrote: >> >> Hi Alexander, >> >> Do we really know how to build MDTs as source routed chains ? >> >> If that is the goal here IMHO it deserves a whole separate document .... >> >> In general when we replicate we take a packet and copy it to interfaces A, B ... Z. That's a local rule I presume executed for flows containing R-SID-n. But we just can't send the packet with identical list of SIDs from that point on any outgoing interface as results will be rather poor. >> >> We need custom list for each outbound interface and that is something I am not seeing in the draft. Till this is explained I would keep thinking that building MDTs should be more of as control plane task. >> >> Thx. >> R. >> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:42 PM Alexander Vainshtein wrote: >>> >>> Robert, Rishabh and all, >>> I concur with Robert but would like to add that Option A woild effectively eliminate the possibility of building MDTs with more than one level using Replication Segments. >>> >>> Which is probably not the intent of the draft. >>> >>> My 2c. >>> >>> Get Outlook for Android >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: spring on behalf of Robert Raszuk >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020, 22:27 >>> To: Rishabh Parekh >>> Cc: Joel Halpern Direct; spring@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft >>> >>> Hi Rishabh, >>> >>> > Of course, care must be >>>> taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describe it. G-SID-2 has to map >>>> to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes >>>> packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the >>>> downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment >>>> routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each >>>> domain. >>> >>> I think you are stretching it too thin. >>> >>> See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that physical nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse. >>> >>> Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now to be a different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example. >>> >>> I think we have two options: >>> >>> A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the stack >>> >>> B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SID which locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each replicated flow. >>> >>> What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive and IMHO will result in operational difficulties. >>> >>> Thx a lot, >>> R. >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Notice: This e-mail together with any attachments may contain information of Ribbon Communications Inc. that is confidential and/or proprietary for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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It seems like B-SID behavior is the correct one, when R-SID is looked up = and popped, it would yield: replication=C2=A0=C2=A0(as programmed by a co= ntroller, since there=E2=80=99s no state) + new label stack associated wi= th the new, post replication/branching path that is imposed on top of exi= sting label stack, so service label ( + optionally more transport labels)= are preserved. Cheers, Jeff On Jul 1, 2020, 12:40 PM -0700, Rishabh Parekh , wr= ote: > Robert, > > > A) =46irmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the st= ack > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SI= D which locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each re= plicated flow. > > We would be fine with A), but we don't want to exclude possibility of > something like what you describe in B. > > -Rishabh > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert Raszuk wro= te: > > > > Hi Rishabh, > > > > > Of course, care must be > > > taken to avoid the =22explosion=22 as you describe it. G-SID-2 has = to map > > > to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes > > > packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the > > > downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment > > > routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each > > > domain. > > > > I think you are stretching it too thin. > > > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that physi= cal nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse. > > > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now to b= e a different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example. > > > > I think we have two options: > > > > A) =46irmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the st= ack > > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SI= D which locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each re= plicated flow. > > > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive and = IMHO will result in operational difficulties. > > > > Thx a lot, > > R. > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > spring mailing list > spring=40ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring --5efd2f3d_520eedd1_11d67 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Rishabh,

Transport SID with a service on top can=E2=80=99t be a BoS label, there=E2= =80=99s s service label below, since a service is associated with a parti= cular node, there would be at least a N-SID associated with the service n= ode.
It seems like B-SID behavior is the correct one, when R-SID is looked up = and popped, it would yield: replication&=23160;&=23160;(as programmed by = a controller, since there=E2=80=99s no state) + new label stack associate= d with the new, post replication/branching path that is imposed on top of= existing label stack, so service label ( + optionally more transport lab= els) are preserved.&=23160;&=23160;

Cheers,
Jeff
On Jul 1, 2020, 12:40 PM -0700, Ris= habh Parekh <rishabhp=40gmail.com>, wrote:
Robert,

A) =46irmly state that replication SID MUST= be the last one on the stack
B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SID wh= ich locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each replic= ated flow.

We would be fine with A), but we don't want to exclude possibility of
something like what you describe in B.

-Rishabh

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert Raszuk <robert=40raszuk.net>= wrote:

Hi Rishabh,

Of course, care must be
taken to avoid the =22explosion=22 as you describe it. G-SID-2 has to map=
to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes
packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the
downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment
routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each
domain.

I think you are stretching it too thin.

See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that physical = nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse.

Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now to be a = different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example.

I think we have two options:

A) =46irmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the stack<= br />
B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SID wh= ich locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each replic= ated flow.

What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive and IMHO= will result in operational difficulties.

Thx a lot,
R.

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--5efd2f3d_520eedd1_11d67-- From nobody Wed Jul 1 23:35:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1047B3A0D70 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:35:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z9kSZ0HyfxBk for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x331.google.com (mail-wm1-x331.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::331]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486B03A0CD4 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x331.google.com with SMTP id l17so25410587wmj.0 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 23:34:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=P1ipIjq17Axx34ROnzOe1GkOqnMGKPmQ+ZzdDrelZ3I=; b=KJ5QGlSq0rd6HGTc/k0j6+5upbUzJwWWi8n5fkUYM5SwyiBqJyCJ3bUakZ+yTEIp0N +FawwX00479p2Bmue811ZZ7WlbZEaoC9LDblApLQ9QIzyob9UkURJxnBpcMPMR8+ItI6 OWp0qRmGS6CvXt26JDByCBkBrcmmhwEyd7e9bQxu7wNQfBmxIGYg2rWvQy9K2/gh8gj/ N9sjjTQ6XspVzBsPhdkrDmMm91Kf71IHUl9UJs7wXGuS2oDgAnoBW2DeBIhrXAywB7Pd zCRNbpu7M9+CWmov515Lafq1buLNZWdaE3l4n/zeHyhthLYeoREkVGv/BIsdFe3CVUPi QzFA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=P1ipIjq17Axx34ROnzOe1GkOqnMGKPmQ+ZzdDrelZ3I=; b=mRioZ9vaQqF07zOLPazxFV8rUw6dytOfnIEQYG5Lb948C2wtGcgfT4aDDOYhoT1aCJ NZiRRM/N0CAccYebWfXvFaZBPce4dvQaVCZhL4+v1CaNoqiA1OJhotT2XEn26sq53Gqi D++M7cdEFxZefs1aV3R7lksyIa2G4ngXa0UM1QigFEfbrjSnyQXNTngBucGIqXEisxcl AIhcq3Zpjoy/X34/qPCZH/uFoITWlj4N+xWvosZ5fyXPFzo7LSDh2XDU+nLU2/zUtGm1 rr0TKs0SY/zWLXO/WpnmktOO8kNz2Q+HgrH0TgssNz0XaDRYmP211jpUFGYkOZJG9GAy nE8w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533W8dCvilfLl+KCejwIzcclHYzsJyn8QSzlQQ7GkuOwm+LvN8bp 12tv7xk3BLW01JZA/m18ZCLgns8VNOtKKcU5pZc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxWkGMKS9T3OqXJi12yc+DQks+eFEnhP0IHHp6RWV6Yh+CqHRbK/B3IGtadtm/WloN/Gs16Vg7XGqAGNtBx0bo= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:ca43:: with SMTP id m3mr22986888wml.120.1593671696644; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 23:34:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <94415742-fc4e-1774-bf96-01eac3672bfb@joelhalpern.com> In-Reply-To: From: Rishabh Parekh Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:34:45 -0700 Message-ID: To: Jeff Tantsura Cc: Robert Raszuk , "spring@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 06:35:00 -0000 Jeff, Your explanation of distinct Transport SIDs and service labels (which appear at BoS) applies to Point-to-Point services. Same model can be applied when a Point-to-Multipoint service is realized by one end-to-end replication segment; "Downstream Replication SID" as specified in draft is effectively the service label at a specific downstream node of a Replication segment with Transport SIDs imposed on top to take replicated packet to that node. However, when a Point-to-Multipoint service is over replication segments stitched together to form a P2MP tree, as described in PIM WG draft, this model no longer holds since all service egress nodes would have to agree on one common service label. So P2MP services implicitly map the P2MP transport label (Replication SID at BoS in this case) to the P2MP service. Of course, this implies one-to-one association between a P2MP service and a P2MP transport. There are techniques to share one P2MP transport across different P2MP services using either upstream assigned label or a global context from "Domain-wide Common Block" (draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label). These and other gory details are described in Section 2 of PIM WG draft and to some extent in BESS MVPN-EVPN draft. -Rishabh On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:50 PM Jeff Tantsura wrot= e: > > Rishabh, > > Transport SID with a service on top can=E2=80=99t be a BoS label, there= =E2=80=99s s service label below, since a service is associated with a part= icular node, there would be at least a N-SID associated with the service no= de. > It seems like B-SID behavior is the correct one, when R-SID is looked up = and popped, it would yield: replication (as programmed by a controller, si= nce there=E2=80=99s no state) + new label stack associated with the new, po= st replication/branching path that is imposed on top of existing label stac= k, so service label ( + optionally more transport labels) are preserved. > > Cheers, > Jeff > On Jul 1, 2020, 12:40 PM -0700, Rishabh Parekh , wrot= e: > > Robert, > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the stack > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SID wh= ich locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each replicat= ed flow. > > > We would be fine with A), but we don't want to exclude possibility of > something like what you describe in B. > > -Rishabh > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert Raszuk wrote: > > > Hi Rishabh, > > Of course, care must be > taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describe it. G-SID-2 has to map > to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes > packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the > downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment > routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each > domain. > > > I think you are stretching it too thin. > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that physical = nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse. > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now to be a = different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example. > > I think we have two options: > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the stack > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SID wh= ich locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each replicat= ed flow. > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive and IMHO= will result in operational difficulties. > > Thx a lot, > R. > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring From nobody Fri Jul 3 10:32:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446873A0BD8 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 10:32:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id abBgAnUoI-i3 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 10:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eu-smtp-delivery-182.mimecast.com (eu-smtp-delivery-182.mimecast.com [207.82.80.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D1703A0BD4 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 10:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EUR05-AM6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-am6eur05lp2109.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.18.109]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id uk-mta-88-tjWObXSDMCqq9bumM5_c0A-1; Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:31:55 +0100 X-MC-Unique: tjWObXSDMCqq9bumM5_c0A-1 Received: from VI1PR03MB5056.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:803:bf::31) by VI1PR03MB2928.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:802:36::27) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3153.27; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 17:31:54 +0000 Received: from VI1PR03MB5056.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::e433:d25a:4afe:ae67]) by VI1PR03MB5056.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::e433:d25a:4afe:ae67%7]) with mapi id 15.20.3153.028; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 17:31:54 +0000 From: Andrew Alston To: "spring@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPv6+?? 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Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your paying attention to the website. Please refer to my clar= ification.

 

a. SRv6 is the technology based on IPv6. In the past 20+ years IPv6 = has being deployed. One of the most important drives is the address space. = The development of 5G and cloud proposes the new chances for the developmen= t and deployment of IPv6. Depending on the native IP reacheability and providing rich attributes based on the = IPv6 extension headers, IPv6 can provide flexible connectivity to satisfy t= he requirements of 5G and cloud. SRv6 is the typical representative solutio= ns. This makes this round of IPv6-based innovations and deployments shows the new characteristics of the times to = some extent. Then IPv6+ concept is proposed.  It means the solutio= ns is based on IPv6 and used for the scenarios of 5G and cloud.


b. IPv6+  has nothing with the New IP. It is apparent that the sol= utions proposed in the IPv6+ are based on the IPv6 and all the standard= ization work is being done in IETF and has nothing with ITU-T.

 

I am not sure if it is appropriate to discuss this work in the mailing l= ist of SPRING WG.  More questions and comments can be sent to ipv6plus@outlook.com.

 

 

Best Regards,

Robin

 

 

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: spring [spring-bounces= @ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Andrew Alston [Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA7=D4=C24=C8=D5 1:31
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=D6=F7=CC=E2: [spring] IPv6+??

Hi All,

 

I came across this website: https://www.ipv6plus.net/

 

Now, I wish to clarify a few th= ings.

 

  1. This website seems to imply =A8C strong =A8C that Srv6 is not infact IP= v6 =A8C but rather IPv6+ - is this the position of the member of this w= orking group or is this simply someones bizarre idea?

[Robin

  1. This site seems heavily related to the new ip stuff that was presented = to the ITU =A8C does anyone here know if there is any actual relation betwe= en this and that crowd?

 

Thanks

 

Andrew

 

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On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, 18:08 Lizhenbin, wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > Thanks for your paying attention to the website. Please refer to my > clarification. > > > > a. SRv6 is the technology based on IPv6. In the past 20+ years IPv6 has > being deployed. One of the most important drives is the address space. Th= e > development of 5G and cloud proposes the new chances for the development > and deployment of IPv6. Depending on the native IP reacheability and > providing rich attributes based on the IPv6 extension headers, IPv6 can > provide flexible connectivity to satisfy the requirements of 5G and cloud= . > SRv6 is the typical representative solutions. This makes this round of > IPv6-based innovations and deployments shows the new characteristics of t= he > times to some extent. Then IPv6+ concept is proposed. It means the > solutions is based on IPv6 and used for the scenarios of 5G and cloud. > > > b. IPv6+ has nothing with the New IP. It is apparent that the solutions > proposed in the IPv6+ are based on the IPv6 and all the standardization > work is being done in IETF and has nothing with ITU-T. > > > > I am not sure if it is appropriate to discuss this work in the mailing > list of SPRING WG. More questions and comments can be sent to > ipv6plus@outlook.com. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > Robin > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* spring [spring-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3= =E8=A1=A8 Andrew Alston [ > Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com] > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=884=E6=97=A5= 1:31 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* spring@ietf.org > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* [spring] IPv6+?? > > Hi All, > > > > I came across this website: https://www.ipv6plus.net/ > > > > Now, I wish to clarify a few things. > > > > 1. This website seems to imply =E2=80=93 strong =E2=80=93 that Srv6 is= not infact IPv6 > =E2=80=93 but rather IPv6+ - is this the position of the member of thi= s working > group or is this simply someones bizarre idea? > > [Robin > > 1. This site seems heavily related to the new ip stuff that was > presented to the ITU =E2=80=93 does anyone here know if there is any a= ctual > relation between this and that crowd? > > > > Thanks > > > > Andrew > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > --00000000000012cda805a99b437b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Where are the IPv6+ Internet Drafts?

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, 18:08 Lizhenbin, <lizhenbin@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your paying attention to the website. Please refer to my clar= ification.

=C2=A0

a. SRv6 is the technology based on IPv6. In the past 20+ years IPv6 has = being deployed. One of the most important drives is the address space. The = development of 5G and cloud proposes the new chances for the development an= d deployment of IPv6. Depending on the native IP reacheability and providing rich attributes based on the = IPv6 extension headers, IPv6 can provide flexible connectivity to satisfy t= he requirements of 5G and cloud. SRv6 is the typical representative solutio= ns. This makes this round of IPv6-based innovations and deployments shows the new characteristics of the times to = some extent. Then IPv6+ concept is proposed.=C2=A0 It means the solutions i= s based on IPv6 and used for the scenarios of 5G and cloud.


b. IPv6+=C2=A0 has nothing with the New IP. It is apparent that the solutio= ns proposed in the IPv6+ are based on the IPv6 and all the standardization = work is being done in IETF and has nothing with ITU-T.

=C2=A0

I am not sure if it is appropriate to discuss this work in the mailing l= ist of SPRING WG.=C2=A0 More questions and comments can be sent to ipv6plus@outlook.com.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Best Regards,

Robin

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA= =BA: spring [spring-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Andre= w Alston [Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=884=E6=97= =A5 1:31
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: spring@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [spring] IPv6+??

Hi All,

=C2=A0

I came across this website: https://www.ipv6plus.net/

=C2=A0

Now, I wish to clarify a few th= ings.

=C2=A0

  1. This website seems to im= ply =E2=80=93 strong =E2=80=93 that Srv6 is not infact IPv6 =E2=80=93 but r= ather IPv6+ - is this the position of the member of this working group or i= s this simply someones bizarre idea?

[Robin

  1. This site seems heavily = related to the new ip stuff that was presented to the ITU =E2=80=93 does an= yone here know if there is any actual relation between this and that crowd?=

=C2=A0

Thanks

=C2=A0

Andrew

=C2=A0

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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring<= /a>
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Hi Mark,

I explained that there are group solutions for IPv6+ instead of that= IPv6+ is a single technology.

There are the internet drafts for these solutions which are also propose= d in the IPv6+ website.

You can learn more through visiting the website.

 

It is also always complained that the IETF work on a spec= ific solution is distributed in multiple

working groups and it is hard to understand the whole picture.  I h= ave ever proposed the following

draft and wish it could be helpful to understand the possible work distr= ibuted in multiple IETF areas.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-cross-ietf-area-work-00

 

You can see that the work in IPv6+ is another try to cope with the i= ssue.

 

 

 

Best Regards,

Robin

 

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Mark Smith [markzzzsmi= th@gmail.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA7=D4=C24=C8=D5 18:39
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Lizhenbin
=B3=AD=CB=CD: Andrew Alston; SPRING WG
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [spring] =B4=F0=B8=B4: IPv6+??

Where are the IPv6+ Internet Drafts?


On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, 18:08 Lizhenbin, = <lizhenbin@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your paying attention to the website. Please refer to my clar= ification.

 

a. SRv6 is the technology based on IPv6. In the past 20+ years IPv6 = has being deployed. One of the most important drives is the address space. = The development of 5G and cloud proposes the new chances for the developmen= t and deployment of IPv6. Depending on the native IP reacheability and providing rich attributes based on the = IPv6 extension headers, IPv6 can provide flexible connectivity to satisfy t= he requirements of 5G and cloud. SRv6 is the typical representative solutio= ns. This makes this round of IPv6-based innovations and deployments shows the new characteristics of the times to = some extent. Then IPv6+ concept is proposed.  It means the solutio= ns is based on IPv6 and used for the scenarios of 5G and cloud.


b. IPv6+  has nothing with the New IP. It is apparent that the sol= utions proposed in the IPv6+ are based on the IPv6 and all the standard= ization work is being done in IETF and has nothing with ITU-T.

 

I am not sure if it is appropriate to discuss this work in the mailing l= ist of SPRING WG.  More questions and comments can be sent to ipv6plus@outlook.com.

 

 

Best Regards,

Robin

 

 

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: s= pring [spring-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Andrew Alston [Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA7=D4=C24=C8=D5 1:31
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: spring@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [spring] IPv6+??

Hi All,

 

I came across this website: https://www.ipv6plus.net/

 

Now, I wish to clarify a few th= ings.

 

  1. This website seems to i= mply =A8C strong =A8C that Srv6 is not infact IPv6 =A8C but rather IPv6+= ; - is this the position of the member of this working group or is this sim= ply someones bizarre idea?

[Robin

  1. This site seems heavily= related to the new ip stuff that was presented to the ITU =A8C does anyone= here know if there is any actual relation between this and that crowd?

 

Thanks

 

Andrew

 

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As such unless anyone has copyrights on that specific ASCII string any vendor can use it as it seems fit their marketing strategy. Likewise others could still use other similar technology marketing or product names "IPv6^6", "IPv6NG", "IPv6@5G" etc ... Cheers, R. On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:40 PM Mark Smith wrote: > Where are the IPv6+ Internet Drafts? > > > On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, 18:08 Lizhenbin, wrote: > >> Hi Andrew, >> >> Thanks for your paying attention to the website. Please refer to my >> clarification. >> >> >> >> a. SRv6 is the technology based on IPv6. In the past 20+ years IPv6 has >> being deployed. One of the most important drives is the address space. T= he >> development of 5G and cloud proposes the new chances for the development >> and deployment of IPv6. Depending on the native IP reacheability and >> providing rich attributes based on the IPv6 extension headers, IPv6 can >> provide flexible connectivity to satisfy the requirements of 5G and clou= d. >> SRv6 is the typical representative solutions. This makes this round of >> IPv6-based innovations and deployments shows the new characteristics of = the >> times to some extent. Then IPv6+ concept is proposed. It means the >> solutions is based on IPv6 and used for the scenarios of 5G and cloud. >> >> >> b. IPv6+ has nothing with the New IP. It is apparent that the solutions >> proposed in the IPv6+ are based on the IPv6 and all the standardization >> work is being done in IETF and has nothing with ITU-T. >> >> >> >> I am not sure if it is appropriate to discuss this work in the mailing >> list of SPRING WG. More questions and comments can be sent to >> ipv6plus@outlook.com. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Robin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* spring [spring-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB= =A3=E8=A1=A8 Andrew Alston [ >> Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com] >> *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=884=E6=97= =A5 1:31 >> *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* spring@ietf.org >> *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* [spring] IPv6+?? >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I came across this website: https://www.ipv6plus.net/ >> >> >> >> Now, I wish to clarify a few things. >> >> >> >> 1. This website seems to imply =E2=80=93 strong =E2=80=93 that Srv6 i= s not infact >> IPv6 =E2=80=93 but rather IPv6+ - is this the position of the member = of this >> working group or is this simply someones bizarre idea? >> >> [Robin >> >> 1. This site seems heavily related to the new ip stuff that was >> presented to the ITU =E2=80=93 does anyone here know if there is any = actual >> relation between this and that crowd? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Andrew >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> spring mailing list >> spring@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring >> > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > --0000000000000d7a4c05a99c72e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All,

It looks to me that "IPv6+&qu= ot; is just a marketing name to sell a bunch=C2=A0of new IPv6 based service= s and has nothing to do with SPRING nor for that matter with IETF.=C2=A0

As such unless anyone has copyrights on that specifi= c ASCII string any vendor can use it as it seems fit their marketing strate= gy.=C2=A0

Likewise others could still use other si= milar technology marketing or product names "IPv6^6", "IPv6N= G", "IPv6@5G" etc ...=C2=A0

Cheers,=
R.


On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:40 PM Mark Smit= h <markzzzsmith@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
Where are the IPv6+ Internet Drafts?


On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, 18:08 Lizhenbin, <lizhenbin@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your paying attention to the website. Please refer to my clar= ification.

=C2=A0

a. SRv6 is the technology based on IPv6. In the past 20+ years IPv6 has = being deployed. One of the most important drives is the address space. The = development of 5G and cloud proposes the new chances for the development an= d deployment of IPv6. Depending on the native IP reacheability and providing rich attributes based on the = IPv6 extension headers, IPv6 can provide flexible connectivity to satisfy t= he requirements of 5G and cloud. SRv6 is the typical representative solutio= ns. This makes this round of IPv6-based innovations and deployments shows the new characteristics of the times to = some extent. Then IPv6+ concept is proposed.=C2=A0 It means the solutions i= s based on IPv6 and used for the scenarios of 5G and cloud.


b. IPv6+=C2=A0 has nothing with the New IP. It is apparent that the solutio= ns proposed in the IPv6+ are based on the IPv6 and all the standardization = work is being done in IETF and has nothing with ITU-T.

=C2=A0

I am not sure if it is appropriate to discuss this work in the mailing l= ist of SPRING WG.=C2=A0 More questions and comments can be sent to ipv6plus@outlook.com.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Best Regards,

Robin

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: spring [spring-bounces@ietf.org]= =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Andrew Alston [Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom= .com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=884=E6=97= =A5 1:31
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: spring@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [spring] IPv6+??

Hi All,

=C2=A0

I came across this website: https://www.ipv6plus.net/

=C2=A0

Now, I wish to clarify a few th= ings.

=C2=A0

  1. This website seems to im= ply =E2=80=93 strong =E2=80=93 that Srv6 is not infact IPv6 =E2=80=93 but r= ather IPv6+ - is this the position of the member of this working group or i= s this simply someones bizarre idea?

[Robin

  1. This site seems heavily = related to the new ip stuff that was presented to the ITU =E2=80=93 does an= yone here know if there is any actual relation between this and that crowd?=

=C2=A0

Thanks

=C2=A0

Andrew

=C2=A0

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Hi Jim,

I respect the comment from the chair. I propose the following draft (bec= ause it is SRv6 work) for your reference on the requirements.

 

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tian-spring-srv6-deplo= yment-consideration-01

L

Later there may be more information when update.  

 

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: UTTARO, JAMES [ju1738@att.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA7=D4=C24=C8=D5 18:51
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Mark Smith; Lizhenbin
=B3=AD=CB=CD: SPRING WG; Andrew Alston
=D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: [spring] =B4=F0=B8=B4: IPv6+??

W= here are the requirements.. I mean actual ones..

<= /span> 

T= hanks,

&= nbsp;           &nbs= p; Jim Uttaro

<= /span> 

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Mark Smith
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2020 6:40 AM
To: Lizhenbin <lizhenbin@huawei.com>
Cc: SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>; Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alst= on@liquidtelecom.com>
Subject: Re: [spring] =B4=F0=B8=B4: IPv6+??

 

Where are the IPv6+ Internet Drafts?

 

 

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, 18:08 Lizhenbin, <= lizhenbin@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your paying attention to the website. Please r= efer to my clarification.

 

a. SRv6 is the technology based on IPv6. In the past 20&#= 43; years IPv6 has being deployed. One of the most important drives is the = address space. The development of 5G and cloud proposes the new chances for the development and deployment of IPv6. Depending on t= he native IP reacheability and providing rich attributes based on the IPv6 = extension headers, IPv6 can provide flexible connectivity to satisfy the re= quirements of 5G and cloud. SRv6 is the typical representative solutions. This makes this round of IPv6-bas= ed innovations and deployments shows the new characteristics of the times t= o some extent. Then IPv6+ concept is proposed.  It means the solut= ions is based on IPv6 and used for the scenarios of 5G and cloud.


b. IPv6+  has nothing with the New IP. It is apparent that the sol= utions proposed in the IPv6+ are based on the IPv6 and all the standard= ization work is being done in IETF and has nothing with ITU-T.

 

I am not sure if it is appropriate to discuss this work i= n the mailing list of SPRING WG.  More questions and comments can be s= ent to ipv6plus@outlook.com.

 

 

Best Regards,

Robin

 

 

 

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Heard about SPRING++ project yet? Think about what you would assume and how you might act regarding your SPRING deployment plans if you'd just heard about it now. > As such unless anyone has copyrights on that specific ASCII string any > vendor can use it as it seems fit their marketing strategy. > > Likewise others could still use other similar technology marketing or > product names "IPv6^6", "IPv6NG", "IPv6@5G" etc ... > Of those, only 'IPv6@5G' doesn't imply extending IPv6. > Cheers, > R. > > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:40 PM Mark Smith wrote= : > >> Where are the IPv6+ Internet Drafts? >> >> >> On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, 18:08 Lizhenbin, wrote: >> >>> Hi Andrew, >>> >>> Thanks for your paying attention to the website. Please refer to my >>> clarification. >>> >>> >>> >>> a. SRv6 is the technology based on IPv6. In the past 20+ years IPv6 has >>> being deployed. One of the most important drives is the address space. = The >>> development of 5G and cloud proposes the new chances for the developmen= t >>> and deployment of IPv6. Depending on the native IP reacheability and >>> providing rich attributes based on the IPv6 extension headers, IPv6 can >>> provide flexible connectivity to satisfy the requirements of 5G and clo= ud. >>> SRv6 is the typical representative solutions. This makes this round of >>> IPv6-based innovations and deployments shows the new characteristics of= the >>> times to some extent. Then IPv6+ concept is proposed. It means the >>> solutions is based on IPv6 and used for the scenarios of 5G and cloud. >>> >>> >>> b. IPv6+ has nothing with the New IP. It is apparent that the solution= s >>> proposed in the IPv6+ are based on the IPv6 and all the standardization >>> work is being done in IETF and has nothing with ITU-T. >>> >>> >>> >>> I am not sure if it is appropriate to discuss this work in the mailing >>> list of SPRING WG. More questions and comments can be sent to >>> ipv6plus@outlook.com. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Robin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* spring [spring-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB= =A3=E8=A1=A8 Andrew Alston [ >>> Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com] >>> *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=884=E6=97= =A5 1:31 >>> *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* spring@ietf.org >>> *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* [spring] IPv6+?? >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> >>> >>> I came across this website: https://www.ipv6plus.net/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, I wish to clarify a few things. >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. This website seems to imply =E2=80=93 strong =E2=80=93 that Srv6 = is not infact >>> IPv6 =E2=80=93 but rather IPv6+ - is this the position of the member= of this >>> working group or is this simply someones bizarre idea? >>> >>> [Robin >>> >>> 1. This site seems heavily related to the new ip stuff that was >>> presented to the ITU =E2=80=93 does anyone here know if there is any= actual >>> relation between this and that crowd? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> spring mailing list >>> spring@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> spring mailing list >> spring@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring >> > --0000000000002b04e605a9a77f6e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, 22:04 Robert Raszuk, <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
All,

It looks to me that "IPv6+&q= uot; is just a marketing name to sell a bunch=C2=A0of new IPv6 based servic= es and has nothing to do with SPRING nor for that matter with IETF.=C2=A0

The name implies it is a major development effort to extend IPv6, and= that implies IETF affiliation.

Heard about SPRING++ project yet?

Think about what you would assume and how you might act= regarding your SPRING deployment plans if you'd just heard about it no= w.



As such unless anyone has copyrights on that s= pecific ASCII string any vendor can use it as it seems fit their marketing = strategy.=C2=A0
=
Likewise others could still use other similar technology mar= keting or product names "IPv6^6", "IPv6NG", "IPv6@= 5G" etc ...=C2=A0

Of those, only 'IPv6@5G' doesn't = imply extending IPv6.


Cheers,
R.


On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:40 PM Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
Where are the IPv6+ Int= ernet Drafts?


On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, 18:08 Lizhenbi= n, <lizhenbin@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your paying attention to the website. Please refer to my clar= ification.

=C2=A0

a. SRv6 is the technology based on IPv6. In the past 20+ years IPv6 has = being deployed. One of the most important drives is the address space. The = development of 5G and cloud proposes the new chances for the development an= d deployment of IPv6. Depending on the native IP reacheability and providing rich attributes based on the = IPv6 extension headers, IPv6 can provide flexible connectivity to satisfy t= he requirements of 5G and cloud. SRv6 is the typical representative solutio= ns. This makes this round of IPv6-based innovations and deployments shows the new characteristics of the times to = some extent. Then IPv6+ concept is proposed.=C2=A0 It means the solutions i= s based on IPv6 and used for the scenarios of 5G and cloud.


b. IPv6+=C2=A0 has nothing with the New IP. It is apparent that the solutio= ns proposed in the IPv6+ are based on the IPv6 and all the standardization = work is being done in IETF and has nothing with ITU-T.

=C2=A0

I am not sure if it is appropriate to discuss this work in the mailing l= ist of SPRING WG.=C2=A0 More questions and comments can be sent to ipv6plus@outlook.com.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Best Regards,

Robin

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=E5=8F=91= =E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: spring [sprin= g-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Andrew Alston [Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=884=E6=97= =A5 1:31
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: spring@i= etf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [spring] IPv6+??

Hi All,

=C2=A0

I came across this website: https://www.ipv6pl= us.net/

=C2=A0

Now, I wish to clarify a few th= ings.

=C2=A0

  1. This website seems to im= ply =E2=80=93 strong =E2=80=93 that Srv6 is not infact IPv6 =E2=80=93 but r= ather IPv6+ - is this the position of the member of this working group or i= s this simply someones bizarre idea?

[Robin

  1. This site seems heavily = related to the new ip stuff that was presented to the ITU =E2=80=93 does an= yone here know if there is any actual relation between this and that crowd?=

=C2=A0

Thanks

=C2=A0

Andrew

=C2=A0

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Mon, 6 Jul 2020 09:16:35 +0000 From: Parag Kaneriya To: "lsr@ietf.org" , SPRING WG Thread-Topic: Re: [spring] [Lsr] clarification of END Point behavior in draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming Thread-Index: AdZTdDRIox2bY1ZDTxW01HvnjNwPYA== Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 09:16:35 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-IN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: msip_labels: MSIP_Label_0633b888-ae0d-4341-a75f-06e04137d755_Enabled=true; MSIP_Label_0633b888-ae0d-4341-a75f-06e04137d755_SetDate=2020-07-06T09:16:33Z; MSIP_Label_0633b888-ae0d-4341-a75f-06e04137d755_Method=Standard; MSIP_Label_0633b888-ae0d-4341-a75f-06e04137d755_Name=0633b888-ae0d-4341-a75f-06e04137d755; MSIP_Label_0633b888-ae0d-4341-a75f-06e04137d755_SiteId=bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4; MSIP_Label_0633b888-ae0d-4341-a75f-06e04137d755_ActionId=a60736ff-6705-4189-b6a5-aeb13b1f9620; MSIP_Label_0633b888-ae0d-4341-a75f-06e04137d755_ContentBits=2 dlp-product: dlpe-windows dlp-version: 11.5.0.60 dlp-reaction: no-action authentication-results: ietf.org; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I am going through recent draft https://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ietf-sprin= g-srv6-network-programming-16.pdf Changes are follow , 4.1. End: Endpoint S01. When an SRH is processed { S02. If (Segments Left =3D=3D 0) { S03. Proceed to process the next header in the packet, whose type is identi= fied by the Next Header field in the routing header. S04. } S05. If (IPv6 Hop Limit <=3D 1) { S06. Send an ICMP Time Exceeded message to the Source Address, Code 0 (Hop = limit exceeded in transit), Interrupt packet processing and discard the packet. S07. } With these change, I have below few question 1. Can END SID can be last SID of the SID list ? earlier draft (not su= re which version), it was explicitly mentioned that last SID can't be END s= id ( Most basic flavors ). 2. IF yes then When/Who will remove the SRH header when last sid is END = SID in the sid list. Regards Parag Juniper Business Use Only --_000_BYAPR05MB419873DF36A44B9D4B0022D7DF690BYAPR05MB4198namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

I am going through recent draft https://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-16.pd= f

 

Changes are follow ,

 

4.1. End: Endpoint

 

S01. When an SRH is processed {

S02. If (Segments Left =3D=3D 0) {

S03. Proceed to process the next header in the packet, who= se type is identified by the Next Header field in the routing header.

S04. }

S05. If (IPv6 Hop Limit <=3D 1) {

S06. Send an ICMP Time Exceeded message to the Source Addr= ess, Code 0 (Hop limit exceeded in transit), Interrupt packet processing an= d discard  

     the packet.

S07. }

 

 

With these change, I have below few question

 

  1. = Can END SID can be last SID of the SID list ?   earlier draft (no= t sure which version), it was explicitly mentioned that last SID can’t be END sid ( Most basic flavors ).
    2. <= li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 l= fo1">I= F yes then When/Who will remove the SRH header when last sid is END SID in = the sid list.

 

Regards

Parag


Juniper Business= Use Only

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As Joel pointed out, clarity on what is legal/illegal (or out of scope for now) is needed. I have no strong opinion if that needs to be done before or after adoption! I do not follow PIM closely and just realized that the SR P2MP Policy in the PIM I-D [1] is adopted by the PIM WG, but not yet posted [2]. I wanted to make sure that it has been decided that PIM is the right place to define SR P2MP policy (discussed either in the WG and/or between chairs/AD)? Thanks! Dhruv [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy/ [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/pim/YyF7I02aaRtpZngf7uTno69IB90/ On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:05 PM Rishabh Parekh wrote: > > Jeff, > Your explanation of distinct Transport SIDs and service labels (which > appear at BoS) applies to Point-to-Point services. Same model can be > applied when a Point-to-Multipoint service is realized by one > end-to-end replication segment; "Downstream Replication SID" as > specified in draft is effectively the service label at a specific > downstream node of a Replication segment with Transport SIDs imposed > on top to take replicated packet to that node. > > However, when a Point-to-Multipoint service is over replication > segments stitched together to form a P2MP tree, as described in PIM WG > draft, this model no longer holds since all service egress nodes would > have to agree on one common service label. So P2MP services > implicitly map the P2MP transport label (Replication SID at BoS in > this case) to the P2MP service. Of course, this implies one-to-one > association between a P2MP service and a P2MP transport. There are > techniques to share one P2MP transport across different P2MP services > using either upstream assigned label or a global context from > "Domain-wide Common Block" > (draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label). These and other gory > details are described in Section 2 of PIM WG draft and to some extent > in BESS MVPN-EVPN draft. > > -Rishabh > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:50 PM Jeff Tantsura wr= ote: > > > > Rishabh, > > > > Transport SID with a service on top can=E2=80=99t be a BoS label, there= =E2=80=99s s service label below, since a service is associated with a part= icular node, there would be at least a N-SID associated with the service no= de. > > It seems like B-SID behavior is the correct one, when R-SID is looked u= p and popped, it would yield: replication (as programmed by a controller, = since there=E2=80=99s no state) + new label stack associated with the new, = post replication/branching path that is imposed on top of existing label st= ack, so service label ( + optionally more transport labels) are preserved. > > > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > On Jul 1, 2020, 12:40 PM -0700, Rishabh Parekh , wr= ote: > > > > Robert, > > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the stack > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SID = which locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each replic= ated flow. > > > > > > We would be fine with A), but we don't want to exclude possibility of > > something like what you describe in B. > > > > -Rishabh > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert Raszuk wrote= : > > > > > > Hi Rishabh, > > > > Of course, care must be > > taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describe it. G-SID-2 has to map > > to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes > > packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the > > downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment > > routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each > > domain. > > > > > > I think you are stretching it too thin. > > > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that physica= l nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse. > > > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now to be = a different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example. > > > > I think we have two options: > > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the stack > > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding SID = which locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each replic= ated flow. > > > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive and IM= HO will result in operational difficulties. > > > > Thx a lot, > > R. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > spring mailing list > > spring@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring From nobody Mon Jul 6 09:57:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6153A3A17DA for ; 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Best Regards, Huaimo ________________________________ From: Rishabh Parekh Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:18 PM To: Huaimo Chen Cc: spring@ietf.org ; bruno.decraene@orange.com Subject: Re: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-voyer-spring-sr-replicatio= n-segment Huaimo, Responses inline below. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:46 AM Huaimo Chen wro= te: > > Hi Authors, > > I have a few of questions. > > Should a replication-segment be generalized to be a special SID (say = a multicast SID allocated from a multicast SID block)? , [RP] This is a good question. We have left this unspecified in draft because the Replication SID can be assigned either from SRGB, in which case it would be same on all nodes of Replication segment, or from SRLB where it could be different on the nodes. > > Should a replication-segment be associated with just a set of downstr= eam SIDs without the node-IDs? Where the downstream SIDs may be replicatio= n-segments or normal SIDs in some cases (for example when the downstream no= des are egresses). [RP] I don't understand the question. Can you clarify what you mean by "... without Node-IDs"? Note that Node-IDs are part of the Replication segment state, but only Replication SIDs are in the label stack. [HC]: Why do you need Node-IDs? When you have a special SID, say a multicas= t SID, which is associated with a set of downstream (or next hop nodes) SID= s, you can replicate the packet received from an incoming interface and sen= d the duplicated the packet to each of the downstream nodes according to th= e set of downstream SIDs. > > Should a state in a node for a replication-segment be removed? If a s= tate is stored in a node (each node) for a (each) replication segment of a = (each) SR P2MP path, there may be some scalability issue. This seems not co= nsistent with the principles of the segment routing, in which no state is s= tored in the core of the network. [RP] As mentioned in Introduction of the draft, there is no state required on intermediate nodes that are not part of a Replication segment. [HC]: Can you show an example of this (one SR point-to-multipoint path tran= sports a packet from its ingress via some core nodes to its egresses withou= t any state stored in the core nodes for this SR P2MP path) ? > > Best Regards, > Huaimo > -----Original Message----- > From: spring On Behalf Of Stone, Andrew (Nokia = - CA/Ottawa) > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 2:44 PM > To: bruno.decraene@orange.com; spring@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-voyer-spring-sr-replicat= ion-segment > > Hi Spring WG > > Support adoption. > > Willing to work on the document, and already participating in related doc= uments in PCE and IDR. > > Thanks > Andrew > > > On 2020-06-22, 10:46 AM, "spring on behalf of bruno.decraene@orange.com" = wrote: > > Hi SPRING WG, > > Authors of draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment [1] have asked f= or WG adoption. > > Please indicate your support, comments, or objection, for adopting th= is draft as a working group item by July 6th 2020. > > Could those who are willing to work on this document, please notify t= he list. 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Hi Rishabh,

    My = ;responses are inline below.

Best Regards,
Huaimo
From: Rishabh Parekh <ri= shabhp@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:18 PM
To: Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@futurewei.com>
Cc: spring@ietf.org <spring@ietf.org>; bruno.decraene@orange.c= om <bruno.decraene@orange.com>
Subject: Re: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-voyer-spring-sr-rep= lication-segment
 
Huaimo,
Responses inline below.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:46 AM Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@futurewei.com&g= t; wrote:
>
> Hi Authors,
>
>     I have a few of questions.
>
>     Should a replication-segment be generalized to= be a special SID (say a multicast SID allocated from a multicast SID block= )?
,
[RP] This is a good question. We have left this unspecified in draft
because the Replication SID can be assigned either from SRGB, in which
case it would be same on all nodes of Replication segment, or from
SRLB where it could be different on the nodes.
>
>     Should a replication-segment be associated wit= h just a set of downstream SIDs without the  node-IDs? Where the downs= tream SIDs may be replication-segments or normal SIDs in some cases (for ex= ample when the downstream nodes are egresses).

[RP] I don't understand the question. Can you clarify what you mean by
"... without Node-IDs"? Note that Node-IDs are part of the Replic= ation
segment state, but only Replication SIDs are in the label stack.

[HC]: Why do you need Node-IDs? When you have a sp= ecial SID, say a multicast SID, which is associated with a set of downstrea= m (or next hop nodes) SIDs, you can replicate the packet received from an i= ncoming interface and send the duplicated the packet to each of the downstream nodes according to the set of downstr= eam SIDs.
 
>
>     Should a state in a node for a replication-seg= ment be removed? If a state is stored in a node (each node) for a (each) re= plication segment of a (each) SR P2MP path, there may be some scalability i= ssue. This seems not consistent with the principles of the segment routing, in which no state is stored in the core of the networ= k.

[RP] As mentioned in Introduction of the draft, there is no state
required on intermediate nodes that are not part of a Replication
segment.

[HC]: Can you show an example of this (one SR point-to-multipoint path tran= sports a packet from its ingress via some core nodes to its egresses withou= t any state stored in the core nodes for this SR P2MP path) ? 

>
> Best Regards,
> Huaimo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Stone, Andre= w (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 2:44 PM
> To: bruno.decraene@orange.com; spring@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-voyer-spring-sr-repli= cation-segment
>
> Hi Spring WG
>
> Support adoption.
>
> Willing to work on the document, and already participating in related = documents in PCE and IDR.
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> Thanks
> Andrew
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> On 2020-06-22, 10:46 AM, "spring on behalf of bruno.decraene@oran= ge.com" <spring-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of bruno.decraene@orange= .com> wrote:
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>     Hi SPRING WG,
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>     Authors of draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-s= egment [1] have asked for WG adoption.
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>     Please indicate your support, comments, or obj= ection, for adopting this draft as a working group item by July 6th 2020. >
>     Could those who are willing to work on this do= cument, please notify the list. That gives us an indication of the energy l= evel in the working group to work on this.
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>     As a reminder, the call for IPR has been done = last November. [2]
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>     Thanks,
>     Regards,
>     Bruno, Jim, Joel
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<32104_1594114929_5F044371_32104_68_5_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48EC8CCE@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 15:31:38 +0530 Message-ID: To: bruno.decraene@orange.com Cc: "spring@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 10:02:20 -0000 Hi Bruno, Yes, thanks! I was just making sure that we have an agreement that PIM is the right place to define SR P2MP Policy. What is missing in the spring I-D is some very high level discussion in terms of architecture on how replication segment and SR P2MP policy come together. The current I-D tries to define a replication segment as an independent entity that could be used on its own but it makes it difficult to visualize without some high level text or an example. Thanks! Dhruv On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:12 PM wrote: > > Hi Dhruv, > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody > > Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft > > > > Hi WG, > > > > Reading the I-D and based on the discussion on this thread I believe > > more description is required. As Joel pointed out, clarity on what is > > legal/illegal (or out of scope for now) is needed. > > I leave this for the authors to reply. > > > I have no strong opinion if that needs to be done before or after adopt= ion! > > > > I do not follow PIM closely and just realized that the SR P2MP Policy > > in the PIM I-D [1] is adopted by the PIM WG, but not yet posted [2]. > > I wanted to make sure that it has been decided that PIM is the right > > place to define SR P2MP policy (discussed either in the WG and/or > > between chairs/AD)? > > draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy-00 is to be worked in the PIM WG. > The PIM WG is waiting for the SPRING WG to adopt draft-voyer-spring-sr-re= plication-segment, since the -pim- document has a dependency on the -spring= - document. > > Quoting the PIM chairs: "We have solid support to adopt this draft. [...]= We are waiting to hear back from the spring chairs as to the wg status of = the local replication draft of which your draft is dependent. So please hol= d off on submitting the new draft-ietf-pim-sr-p2mp-policy until they give u= s the green light." > > Does this answer your question? > > --Bruno > > > Thanks! > > Dhruv > > > > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy/ > > [2] > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/pim/YyF7I02aaRtpZngf7uTno69IB90/ > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:05 PM Rishabh Parekh > > wrote: > > > > > > Jeff, > > > Your explanation of distinct Transport SIDs and service labels (which > > > appear at BoS) applies to Point-to-Point services. Same model can be > > > applied when a Point-to-Multipoint service is realized by one > > > end-to-end replication segment; "Downstream Replication SID" as > > > specified in draft is effectively the service label at a specific > > > downstream node of a Replication segment with Transport SIDs imposed > > > on top to take replicated packet to that node. > > > > > > However, when a Point-to-Multipoint service is over replication > > > segments stitched together to form a P2MP tree, as described in PIM W= G > > > draft, this model no longer holds since all service egress nodes woul= d > > > have to agree on one common service label. So P2MP services > > > implicitly map the P2MP transport label (Replication SID at BoS in > > > this case) to the P2MP service. Of course, this implies one-to-one > > > association between a P2MP service and a P2MP transport. There are > > > techniques to share one P2MP transport across different P2MP services > > > using either upstream assigned label or a global context from > > > "Domain-wide Common Block" > > > (draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label). These and other gory > > > details are described in Section 2 of PIM WG draft and to some extent > > > in BESS MVPN-EVPN draft. > > > > > > -Rishabh > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:50 PM Jeff Tantsura > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Rishabh, > > > > > > > > Transport SID with a service on top can=E2=80=99t be a BoS label, t= here=E2=80=99s s service > > label below, since a service is associated with a particular node, ther= e would > > be at least a N-SID associated with the service node. > > > > It seems like B-SID behavior is the correct one, when R-SID is look= ed up > > and popped, it would yield: replication (as programmed by a controller= , since > > there=E2=80=99s no state) + new label stack associated with the new, po= st > > replication/branching path that is imposed on top of existing label sta= ck, so > > service label ( + optionally more transport labels) are preserved. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jeff > > > > On Jul 1, 2020, 12:40 PM -0700, Rishabh Parekh = , > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Robert, > > > > > > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the st= ack > > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding = SID which > > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each replicat= ed flow. > > > > > > > > > > > > We would be fine with A), but we don't want to exclude possibility = of > > > > something like what you describe in B. > > > > > > > > -Rishabh > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert Raszuk > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rishabh, > > > > > > > > Of course, care must be > > > > taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describe it. G-SID-2 has to m= ap > > > > to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes > > > > packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the > > > > downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment > > > > routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each > > > > domain. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are stretching it too thin. > > > > > > > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that phy= sical > > nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse. > > > > > > > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now to= be a > > different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example. > > > > > > > > I think we have two options: > > > > > > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the st= ack > > > > > > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding = SID which > > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each replicat= ed flow. > > > > > > > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive an= d IMHO > > will result in operational difficulties. > > > > > > > > Thx a lot, > > > > R. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > spring mailing list > > > > spring@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > spring mailing list > > > spring@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > > > _______________________________________________ > > spring mailing list > > spring@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Regarding the statement " What is missing in the spring I-D is some ve= ry high level discussion in terms of architecture on how replication segmen= t and SR P2MP policy come together" - I cannot agree more.

My 2c,
Sasha

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-----Original Message-----
From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 1:02 PM
To: bruno.decraene@orange.com<= /a>
Cc: spring@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft

Hi Bruno,

Yes, thanks! I was just making sure that we have an agreement that PIM is t= he right place to define SR P2MP Policy.

What is missing in the spring I-D is some very high level discussion in ter= ms of architecture on how replication segment and SR P2MP policy come toget= her. The current I-D tries to define a replication segment as an independen= t entity that could be used on its own but it makes it difficult to visuali= ze without some high level text or an example.

Thanks!
Dhruv

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:12 PM <bruno.decraene@orange.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Dhruv,
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv =
> > Dhody
> > Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft
> >
> > Hi WG,
> >
> > Reading the I-D and based on the discussion on this thread I beli= eve
> > more description is required. As Joel pointed out, clarity on wha= t
> > is legal/illegal (or out of scope for now) is needed.
>
> I leave this for the authors to reply.
>
> > I have no strong opinion if that needs to be done before or after= adoption!
> >
> > I do not follow PIM closely and just realized that the SR P2MP > > Policy in the PIM I-D [1] is adopted by the PIM WG, but not yet p= osted [2].
> > I wanted to make sure that it has been decided that PIM is the ri= ght
> > place to define SR P2MP policy (discussed either in the WG and/or=
> > between chairs/AD)?
>
> draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy-00 is to be worked in the PIM WG.
> The PIM WG is waiting for the SPRING WG to adopt draft-voyer-spring-sr= -replication-segment, since the -pim- document has a dependency on the -spr= ing- document.
>
> Quoting the PIM chairs: "We have solid support to adopt this draf= t. [...] We are waiting to hear back from the spring chairs as to the wg st= atus of the local replication draft of which your draft is dependent. So pl= ease hold off on submitting the new draft-ietf-pim-sr-p2mp-policy until the= y give us the green light."
>
> Does this answer your question?
>
> --Bruno
>
> > Thanks!
> > Dhruv
> >
> > [1]
> > https://clicktime.symantec.com/36sxrNPF= ssiaB8jE9mzzZDd6H2?u=3Dhttps%3A
> > %2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy= %2F
> > [2]
> > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3LtBxbxR= K3NkuKYc3FC7rr46H2?u=3Dhttps%3A
> > %2F%2Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fpim%2FYyF7I02aaRtpZngf7= uTn
> > o69IB90%2F
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:05 PM Rishabh Parekh <rishabhp@gmail= .com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Jeff,
> > > Your explanation of distinct Transport SIDs and service labe= ls
> > > (which appear at BoS) applies to Point-to-Point services. Sa= me
> > > model can be applied when a Point-to-Multipoint service is <= BR> > > > realized by one end-to-end replication segment; "Downst= ream
> > > Replication SID" as specified in draft is effectively t= he service
> > > label at a specific downstream node of a Replication segment= with
> > > Transport SIDs imposed on top to take replicated packet to t= hat node.
> > >
> > > However, when a Point-to-Multipoint service is over replicat= ion
> > > segments stitched together to form a P2MP tree, as described= in
> > > PIM WG draft, this model no longer holds since all service e= gress
> > > nodes would have to agree on one common service label. So P= 2MP
> > > services implicitly map the P2MP transport label (Replicatio= n SID
> > > at BoS in this case) to the P2MP service. Of course, this im= plies
> > > one-to-one association between a P2MP service and a P2MP > > > transport. There are techniques to share one P2MP transport = across
> > > different P2MP services using either upstream assigned label= or a
> > > global context from "Domain-wide Common Block"
> > > (draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label). These and oth= er
> > > gory details are described in Section 2 of PIM WG draft and = to
> > > some extent in BESS MVPN-EVPN draft.
> > >
> > > -Rishabh
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:50 PM Jeff Tantsura
> > > <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Rishabh,
> > > >
> > > > Transport SID with a service on top can=E2=80=99t be a = BoS label,
> > > > there=E2=80=99s s service
> > label below, since a service is associated with a particular node= ,
> > there would be at least a N-SID associated with the service node.=
> > > > It seems like B-SID behavior is the correct one, when R= -SID is
> > > > looked up
> > and popped, it would yield: replication (as programmed by a
> > controller, since there=E2=80=99s no state) + new label stack ass= ociated
> > with the new, post replication/branching path that is imposed on = top
> > of existing label stack, so service label ( + optionally more tra= nsport labels) are preserved.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Jeff
> > > > On Jul 1, 2020, 12:40 PM -0700, Rishabh Parekh
> > > > <rishabhp@gmail.com>,
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Robert,
> > > >
> > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last o= ne on the
> > > > stack
> > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provid= e a
> > > > binding SID which
> > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each re= plicated flow.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We would be fine with A), but we don't want to exclude =
> > > > possibility of something like what you describe in B. > > > >
> > > > -Rishabh
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert Raszuk
> > > > <robert@raszuk.net>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Rishabh,
> > > >
> > > > Of course, care must be
> > > > taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describ= e it. G-SID-2 has
> > > > to map to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anyc= ast-SID
> > > > that takes packet to distinct nodes from each of the do= wnstream
> > > > node, or the downstream nodes can be border nodes conne= cting to
> > > > other segment routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to= distinct
> > > > nodes in each domain.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think you are stretching it too thin.
> > > >
> > > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assura= nce that
> > > > physical
> > nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse.
> > > >
> > > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical globa= l SID now
> > > > to be a
> > different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic examp= le.
> > > >
> > > > I think we have two options:
> > > >
> > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last o= ne on the
> > > > stack
> > > >
> > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provid= e a
> > > > binding SID which
> > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each re= plicated flow.
> > > >
> > > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very counter= intuitive
> > > > and IMHO
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> > > > Thx a lot,
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As Joel pointed out, clarity on what is >> legal/illegal (or out of scope for now) is needed. >I leave this for the authors to reply. We are working onthe next revision of the draft that will clarify some text and illustrate and example. We shall post it soon. -Rishabh On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 2:42 AM wrote: > > Hi Dhruv, > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody > > Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft > > > > Hi WG, > > > > Reading the I-D and based on the discussion on this thread I believe > > more description is required. As Joel pointed out, clarity on what is > > legal/illegal (or out of scope for now) is needed. > > I leave this for the authors to reply. > > > I have no strong opinion if that needs to be done before or after adopt= ion! > > > > I do not follow PIM closely and just realized that the SR P2MP Policy > > in the PIM I-D [1] is adopted by the PIM WG, but not yet posted [2]. > > I wanted to make sure that it has been decided that PIM is the right > > place to define SR P2MP policy (discussed either in the WG and/or > > between chairs/AD)? > > draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy-00 is to be worked in the PIM WG. > The PIM WG is waiting for the SPRING WG to adopt draft-voyer-spring-sr-re= plication-segment, since the -pim- document has a dependency on the -spring= - document. > > Quoting the PIM chairs: "We have solid support to adopt this draft. [...]= We are waiting to hear back from the spring chairs as to the wg status of = the local replication draft of which your draft is dependent. So please hol= d off on submitting the new draft-ietf-pim-sr-p2mp-policy until they give u= s the green light." > > Does this answer your question? > > --Bruno > > > Thanks! > > Dhruv > > > > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy/ > > [2] > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/pim/YyF7I02aaRtpZngf7uTno69IB90/ > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:05 PM Rishabh Parekh > > wrote: > > > > > > Jeff, > > > Your explanation of distinct Transport SIDs and service labels (which > > > appear at BoS) applies to Point-to-Point services. Same model can be > > > applied when a Point-to-Multipoint service is realized by one > > > end-to-end replication segment; "Downstream Replication SID" as > > > specified in draft is effectively the service label at a specific > > > downstream node of a Replication segment with Transport SIDs imposed > > > on top to take replicated packet to that node. > > > > > > However, when a Point-to-Multipoint service is over replication > > > segments stitched together to form a P2MP tree, as described in PIM W= G > > > draft, this model no longer holds since all service egress nodes woul= d > > > have to agree on one common service label. So P2MP services > > > implicitly map the P2MP transport label (Replication SID at BoS in > > > this case) to the P2MP service. Of course, this implies one-to-one > > > association between a P2MP service and a P2MP transport. There are > > > techniques to share one P2MP transport across different P2MP services > > > using either upstream assigned label or a global context from > > > "Domain-wide Common Block" > > > (draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label). These and other gory > > > details are described in Section 2 of PIM WG draft and to some extent > > > in BESS MVPN-EVPN draft. > > > > > > -Rishabh > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:50 PM Jeff Tantsura > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Rishabh, > > > > > > > > Transport SID with a service on top can=E2=80=99t be a BoS label, t= here=E2=80=99s s service > > label below, since a service is associated with a particular node, ther= e would > > be at least a N-SID associated with the service node. > > > > It seems like B-SID behavior is the correct one, when R-SID is look= ed up > > and popped, it would yield: replication (as programmed by a controller= , since > > there=E2=80=99s no state) + new label stack associated with the new, po= st > > replication/branching path that is imposed on top of existing label sta= ck, so > > service label ( + optionally more transport labels) are preserved. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jeff > > > > On Jul 1, 2020, 12:40 PM -0700, Rishabh Parekh = , > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Robert, > > > > > > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the st= ack > > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding = SID which > > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each replicat= ed flow. > > > > > > > > > > > > We would be fine with A), but we don't want to exclude possibility = of > > > > something like what you describe in B. > > > > > > > > -Rishabh > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert Raszuk > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rishabh, > > > > > > > > Of course, care must be > > > > taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describe it. G-SID-2 has to m= ap > > > > to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID that takes > > > > packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream node, or the > > > > downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to other segment > > > > routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct nodes in each > > > > domain. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are stretching it too thin. > > > > > > > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that phy= sical > > nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse. > > > > > > > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now to= be a > > different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example. > > > > > > > > I think we have two options: > > > > > > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the st= ack > > > > > > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a binding = SID which > > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each replicat= ed flow. > > > > > > > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive an= d IMHO > > will result in operational difficulties. > > > > > > > > Thx a lot, > > > > R. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > spring mailing list > > > > spring@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > spring mailing list > > > spring@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > > > _______________________________________________ > > spring mailing list > > spring@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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The Design team will be Co-Chaired by: Cheng Weiqiang of China Telecom and Sanders Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy The other members of the team are: Ron Bonica of Juniper Darren Dukes of Cisco Cheng Li of Huawei Peng Shaofu of ZTE and Wim Henderickx of Nokia Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom (We understand that some members may be on vacation. We ask the chairs to please get the design team up and running as fast as possible, and deal with vacations as necessary.) The design team is to produce (rough) consensus recommendations to the WG on two related topics: 1) What are the requirements for solutions to compressing segment routing information for use over IPv6 2) A comparison of proposed approaches to compressing segment routing information for use over IPv6 In both cases, assertions / requirements should be explicitly explained and motivated. Please do not assume that everyone has the same perspective. We expect these results to take the form of Internet Drafts. How the design team does the development is up to them. Note that while we are asking for I-Ds, we are not assuming that these results will be published as RFCs. When the working group has progressed, we will see if there is agreement as to the value of long term publication of this material. Also, as a reminder to both the design team and the working group, the design team output is input to the working group. It is not presumed to be a WG document until the WG actually adopts it. If the design team has insights into the number of solutions (are several already standardized? is there value in picking one / some?) this may be included in the requirements readout. If the design team can not agree, or does not think it is helpful to report this aspect, that is also acceptable to the chairs. While the chairs would like to see prompt work, we also want to see a thorough job done on this task. As such, we value quality of result over time. While there is some pressure, we ask that the design team focus on reaching clear and useful agreements. Thus, we are not asking for any readout by IETF 108. If the design team makes enough progress that they have questions they would like the WG to discuss at IETF 108, please let us know. Yours, Bruno, Jim, and Joel From nobody Tue Jul 7 09:23:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36D13A0F6D for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 09:23:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d5cLQOUXxSmq for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 09:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B277B3A0F6B for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 09:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1SRT39Wbz6GDCM; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 09:23:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1594139013; bh=GWvP2fGZSzm4ocOFtPd+VWElH/RtfrJpdM5PGKX53Js=; h=Subject:From:To:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Q6YJ8y/Ri/D8PTcf1EgQ/llNxDPaWvnxcOMn5LTzSZ/oYlXeAzRTeT5a2T4zfBVMo gOk+zlKwu9TxfYcyLaCgVM1yfOv7R0WdJFeo+KlBy9Mc3gGugc4NV5mEuHq4Kzh00Z jHAgWC45sVrE7cgVkyvaJNql909OK8ufNPOgfviw= X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at a2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B1SRS6NHKz6GBCw; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 09:23:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Halpern To: "spring@ietf.org" , "bruno.decraene@orange.com" References: <09c26365-2d28-80e6-7f47-7694027e6ec6@joelhalpern.com> Message-ID: <4d3172e8-c20b-9593-ec36-cf5af024ee54@joelhalpern.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 12:23:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <09c26365-2d28-80e6-7f47-7694027e6ec6@joelhalpern.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Draft design team charge X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 16:23:36 -0000 Sorry folks. This is the wrong version. I will resend in a moment. The important error is that it has the wrong affiliation for Cheng Weiqiang, for which I sincerely apologize. Yours, Joel On 7/7/2020 12:20 PM, Joel Halpern wrote: > Having gotten various volunteers, and considered what the WG needs, the > SPRING chairs have selected the design team for clarifying the SR over > IPv6 compression situation. > > The Design team will be > Co-Chaired by: >     Cheng Weiqiang of China Telecom and >     Sanders Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy > > The other members of the team are: >     Ron Bonica of Juniper >     Darren Dukes of Cisco >     Cheng Li of Huawei >     Peng Shaofu of ZTE and >     Wim Henderickx of Nokia >     Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom > > (We understand that some members may be on vacation.  We ask the chairs > to please get the design team up and running as fast as possible, and > deal with vacations as necessary.) > > The design team is to produce (rough) consensus recommendations to the > WG on two related topics: > 1) What are the requirements for solutions to compressing segment > routing information for use over IPv6 > 2) A comparison of proposed approaches to compressing segment routing > information for use over IPv6 > > In both cases, assertions / requirements should be explicitly explained > and motivated.  Please do not assume that everyone has the same > perspective. > > We expect these results to take the form of Internet Drafts.  How the > design team does the development is up to them.  Note that while we are > asking for I-Ds, we are not assuming that these results will be > published as RFCs.  When the working group has progressed, we will see > if there is agreement as to the value of long term publication of this > material. > Also, as a reminder to both the design team and the working group, the > design team output is input to the working group.  It is not presumed to > be a WG document until the WG actually adopts it. > > If the design team has insights into the number of solutions (are > several already standardized?  is there value in picking one / some?) > this may be included in the requirements readout.  If the design team > can not agree, or does not think it is helpful to report this aspect, > that is also acceptable to the chairs. > > While the chairs would like to see prompt work, we also want to see a > thorough job done on this task.  As such, we value quality of result > over time.  While there is some pressure, we ask that the design team > focus on reaching clear and useful agreements.  Thus, we are not asking > for any readout by IETF 108. > > If the design team makes enough progress that they have questions they > would like the WG to discuss at IETF 108, please let us know. > > Yours, > Bruno, Jim, and Joel > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring Th From nobody Tue Jul 7 09:24:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65353A101E for ; 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format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [spring] Final? design team charge X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 16:24:09 -0000 Having gotten various volunteers, and considered what the WG needs, the SPRING chairs have selected the design team for clarifying the SR over IPv6 compression situation. The Design team will be Co-Chaired by: Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile and Sanders Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy The other members of the team are: Ron Bonica of Juniper Darren Dukes of Cisco Cheng Li of Huawei Peng Shaofu of ZTE Wim Henderickx of Nokia Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom (We understand that some members may be on vacation. We ask the chairs to please get the design team up and running as fast as possible, and deal with vacations as necessary.) The design team is to produce (rough) consensus (of the DT) outputs to the WG on two related topics: 1) What are the requirements for solutions to compressing segment routing information for use over IPv6; 2) A comparison of proposed approaches to compressing segment routing information for use over IPv6. In both cases, assertions / requirements should be explicitly explained and motivated. Please do not assume that everyone has the same perspective or assumptions. We expect these results to take the form of Internet Drafts. How the design team does the development is up to them. Note that while we are asking for I-Ds, we are not assuming that these results will be published as RFCs. When the working group has progressed, we will see if there is agreement as to the value of long term publication of this material. Also, as a reminder to both the design team and the working group, the design team output is input to the working group. It is not presumed to be a WG document until the WG actually adopts it. If the design team has insights into the number of solutions (are several already standardized? is there value in picking one / some?) this may be included in the requirements readout. If the design team can not agree, or does not think it is helpful to report this aspect, that is also acceptable to the chairs. While the chairs would like to see prompt work, we also want to see a thorough job done on this task. As such, we value quality of result over time. While there is some pressure, we ask that the design team focus on reaching clear and useful agreements. Thus, we are not asking for any readout by IETF 108. As a target, we would like to see a draft to the WG by September 15, 2020. If the design team makes enough progress that they have questions they would like the WG to discuss at IETF 108, please let us know. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Parag, Yes, it can be the last SID. When SL=3D0 you ignore the SRH and process the= next header in the header chain. Upper-layer header processing is defined = in 4.1.1. If you would like to remove the SRH with the End behavior you can use PSP, = USP or USD flavors to do so. Regards, Pablo. From: spring On Behalf Of Parag Kaneriya Sent: lunes, 6 de julio de 2020 11:17 To: lsr@ietf.org; SPRING WG Subject: Re: [spring] [Lsr] clarification of END Point behavior in draft-ie= tf-spring-srv6-network-programming Hello, I am going through recent draft https://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ietf-sprin= g-srv6-network-programming-16.pdf Changes are follow , 4.1. End: Endpoint S01. When an SRH is processed { S02. If (Segments Left =3D=3D 0) { S03. Proceed to process the next header in the packet, whose type is identi= fied by the Next Header field in the routing header. S04. } S05. If (IPv6 Hop Limit <=3D 1) { S06. Send an ICMP Time Exceeded message to the Source Address, Code 0 (Hop = limit exceeded in transit), Interrupt packet processing and discard the packet. S07. } With these change, I have below few question 1. Can END SID can be last SID of the SID list ? earlier draft (not su= re which version), it was explicitly mentioned that last SID can't be END s= id ( Most basic flavors ). 2. IF yes then When/Who will remove the SRH header when last sid is END = SID in the sid list. Regards Parag Juniper Business Use Only --_000_MWHPR11MB1374AFD7E3333ACB6B2F2662C9660MWHPR11MB1374namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Parag,

 

Yes, it can be the last SID. When SL=3D0 you ignore the SRH and proce= ss the next header in the header chain. Upper-layer header processing is de= fined in 4.1.1.

If you would like to remove the SRH with the End behavior you can use= PSP, USP or USD flavors to do so.

 

Regards,

Pablo.

 

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Parag Kaneriya
Sent: lunes, 6 de julio de 2020 11:17
To: lsr@ietf.org; SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [spring] [Lsr] clarification of END Point behavior in d= raft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming

 

Hello,

 

I am going through recent draft https://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-= ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-16.pdf=

 

Changes are follow ,

 

4.1. End: Endpoint

 

S01. When an SRH is processed {

S02. If (Segments Left =3D=3D 0) {

S03. Proceed to process the next header in = the packet, whose type is identified by the Next Header field in the routin= g header.

S04. }

S05. If (IPv6 Hop Limit <=3D 1) {

S06. Send an ICMP Time Exceeded message to = the Source Address, Code 0 (Hop limit exceeded in transit), Interrupt packe= t processing and discard  

     the packet.

S07. }

 

 

With these change, I have below few questio= n

 

  1. Can END SID can be last SID of the SID list ?   ea= rlier draft (not sure which version), it was explicitly mentioned that last SID can’t be END sid ( Most basic flavors ).
  2. IF yes then When/Who will remove the SRH header whe= n last sid is END SID in the sid list.

 

Regards

Parag

 

Juniper Business= Use Only

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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Final? design team charge X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 21:09:47 -0000 Hi Joel, On 07-07-2020 18:24, Joel Halpern wrote: > The Design team will be > Co-Chaired by: > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile and > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Sanders Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy Minor typo in my first name (Sander) but no harm done :) > The other members of the team are: > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ron Bonica of Juniper > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Darren Dukes of Cisco > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Cheng Li of Huawei > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Peng Shaofu of ZTE > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Wim Henderickx of Nokia > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom Is there any requirement on how to organize this team? Would the WG Chairs and ADs like to see an archived mailing list of the discussions, or is that entirely up to us? In any case: hello team! Please reply to me off-list with the email address you would like to use for design team discussions so I know how to reach you. 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[73.63.232.212]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o10sm3227972pjs.27.2020.07.07.14.15.59 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Jul 2020 14:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 14:15:49 -0700 From: Jeff Tantsura To: Dhruv Dhody , "=?utf-8?Q?bruno.decraene=40orange.com?=" , Alexander Vainshtein Cc: "=?utf-8?Q?spring=40ietf.org?=" Message-ID: <3d5c2f1b-d033-41ca-a59d-6c74addcc08c@Spark> In-Reply-To: References: <94415742-fc4e-1774-bf96-01eac3672bfb@joelhalpern.com> <32104_1594114929_5F044371_32104_68_5_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48EC8CCE@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> X-Readdle-Message-ID: 3d5c2f1b-d033-41ca-a59d-6c74addcc08c@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="5f04e60e_555c55b5_11d67" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 21:16:05 -0000 --5f04e60e_555c55b5_11d67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Rishabh=21 +1 to the above comments and looking forward to the updated draft. Cheers, Jeff On Jul 7, 2020, 7:35 AM -0700, Alexander Vainshtein , wrote: > Dhruv, Bruno and all, > Regarding the statement =22 What is missing in the spring I-D is some v= ery high level discussion in terms of architecture on how replication seg= ment and SR P2MP policy come together=22 - I cannot agree more. > > My 2c, > Sasha > > Office: +972-39266302 > Cell: +972-549266302 > Email: Alexander.Vainshtein=40ecitele.com > > > -----Original Message----- > =46rom: spring On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 1:02 PM > To: bruno.decraene=40orange.com > Cc: spring=40ietf.org > Subject: Re: =5Bspring=5D Understanding the replication draft > > Hi Bruno, > > Yes, thanks=21 I was just making sure that we have an agreement that PI= M is the right place to define SR P2MP Policy. > > What is missing in the spring I-D is some very high level discussion in= terms of architecture on how replication segment and SR P2MP policy come= together. The current I-D tries to define a replication segment as an in= dependent entity that could be used on its own but it makes it difficult = to visualize without some high level text or an example. > > Thanks=21 > Dhruv > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:12 PM wrote: > > > > Hi Dhruv, > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > =46rom: spring =5Bmailto:spring-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf Of = Dhruv > > > Dhody > > > Subject: Re: =5Bspring=5D Understanding the replication draft > > > > > > Hi WG, > > > > > > Reading the I-D and based on the discussion on this thread I believ= e > > > more description is required. As Joel pointed out, clarity on what > > > is legal/illegal (or out of scope for now) is needed. > > > > I leave this for the authors to reply. > > > > > I have no strong opinion if that needs to be done before or after a= doption=21 > > > > > > I do not follow PIM closely and just realized that the SR P2MP > > > Policy in the PIM I-D =5B1=5D is adopted by the PIM WG, but not yet= posted =5B2=5D. > > > I wanted to make sure that it has been decided that PIM is the righ= t > > > place to define SR P2MP policy (discussed either in the WG and/or > > > between chairs/AD)=3F > > > > draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy-00 is to be worked in the PIM WG. > > The PIM WG is waiting for the SPRING WG to adopt draft-voyer-spring-s= r-replication-segment, since the -pim- document has a dependency on the -= spring- document. > > > > Quoting the PIM chairs: =22We have solid support to adopt this draft.= =5B...=5D We are waiting to hear back from the spring chairs as to the w= g status of the local replication draft of which your draft is dependent.= So please hold off on submitting the new draft-ietf-pim-sr-p2mp-policy u= ntil they give us the green light.=22 > > > > Does this answer your question=3F > > > > --Bruno > > > > > Thanks=21 > > > Dhruv > > > > > > =5B1=5D > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/36sxrNP=46ssiaB8jE9mzzZDd6H2=3Fu=3Dh= ttps%3A > > > %2=46%2=46datatracker.ietf.org%2=46doc%2=46draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-= policy%2=46 > > > =5B2=5D > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3LtBxbxRK3NkuKYc3=46C7rr46H2=3Fu=3Dh= ttps%3A > > > %2=46%2=46mailarchive.ietf.org%2=46arch%2=46msg%2=46pim%2=46Yy=467I= 02aaRtpZngf7uTn > > > o69IB90%2=46 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:05 PM Rishabh Parekh > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Jeff, > > > > Your explanation of distinct Transport SIDs and service labels > > > > (which appear at BoS) applies to Point-to-Point services. Same > > > > model can be applied when a Point-to-Multipoint service is > > > > realized by one end-to-end replication segment; =22Downstream > > > > Replication SID=22 as specified in draft is effectively the servi= ce > > > > label at a specific downstream node of a Replication segment with= > > > > Transport SIDs imposed on top to take replicated packet to that n= ode. > > > > > > > > However, when a Point-to-Multipoint service is over replication > > > > segments stitched together to form a P2MP tree, as described in > > > > PIM WG draft, this model no longer holds since all service egress= > > > > nodes would have to agree on one common service label. So P2MP > > > > services implicitly map the P2MP transport label (Replication SID= > > > > at BoS in this case) to the P2MP service. Of course, this implies= > > > > one-to-one association between a P2MP service and a P2MP > > > > transport. There are techniques to share one P2MP transport acros= s > > > > different P2MP services using either upstream assigned label or a= > > > > global context from =22Domain-wide Common Block=22 > > > > (draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label). These and other > > > > gory details are described in Section 2 of PIM WG draft and to > > > > some extent in BESS MVPN-EVPN draft. > > > > > > > > -Rishabh > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:50 PM Jeff Tantsura > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rishabh, > > > > > > > > > > Transport SID with a service on top can=E2=80=99t be a BoS labe= l, > > > > > there=E2=80=99s s service > > > label below, since a service is associated with a particular node, > > > there would be at least a N-SID associated with the service node. > > > > > It seems like B-SID behavior is the correct one, when R-SID is > > > > > looked up > > > and popped, it would yield: replication (as programmed by a > > > controller, since there=E2=80=99s no state) + new label stack assoc= iated > > > with the new, post replication/branching path that is imposed on to= p > > > of existing label stack, so service label ( + optionally more trans= port labels) are preserved. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Jeff > > > > > On Jul 1, 2020, 12:40 PM -0700, Rishabh Parekh > > > > > , > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Robert, > > > > > > > > > > A) =46irmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on = the > > > > > stack > > > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a > > > > > binding SID which > > > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each repl= icated flow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We would be fine with A), but we don't want to exclude > > > > > possibility of something like what you describe in B. > > > > > > > > > > -Rishabh > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert Raszuk > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rishabh, > > > > > > > > > > Of course, care must be > > > > > taken to avoid the =22explosion=22 as you describe it. G-SID-2 = has > > > > > to map to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID > > > > > that takes packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream= > > > > > node, or the downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to= > > > > > other segment routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinc= t > > > > > nodes in each domain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are stretching it too thin. > > > > > > > > > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that= > > > > > physical > > > nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse. > > > > > > > > > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID no= w > > > > > to be a > > > different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example= . > > > > > > > > > > I think we have two options: > > > > > > > > > > A) =46irmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on = the > > > > > stack > > > > > > > > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a > > > > > binding SID which > > > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each repl= icated flow. > > > > > > > > > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitiv= e > > > > > and IMHO > > > will result in operational difficulties. > > > > > > > > > > Thx a lot, > > > > > R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F > > > > > spring mailing list > > > > > spring=40ietf.org > > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3U9X5zkPbKst7T8373JWnS6H2=3Fu=3D= https > > > > > %3A%2=46%2=46www.ietf.org%2=46mailman%2=46listinfo%2=46spring > > > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= > > > > spring mailing list > > > > spring=40ietf.org > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3U9X5zkPbKst7T8373JWnS6H2=3Fu=3Dht= tps%3 > > > > A%2=46%2=46www.ietf.org%2=46mailman%2=46listinfo%2=46spring > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > > > spring mailing list > > > spring=40ietf.org > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3U9X5zkPbKst7T8373JWnS6H2=3Fu=3Dhttp= s%3A% > > > 2=46%2=46www.ietf.org%2=46mailman%2=46listinfo%2=46spring > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses,= > > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Thanks Rishabh=21
+1 to the above comments and looking forward to the updated draft.

Cheers,
Jeff
On Jul 7, 2020, 7:35 AM -0700, Alex= ander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein=40rbbn.com>, wrote:
Dhruv, Bruno and all,
Regarding the statement =22 What is missing in the spring I-D is some ver= y high level discussion in terms of architecture on how replication segme= nt and SR P2MP policy come together=22 - I cannot agree more.

My 2c,
Sasha

Office: +972-39266302
Cell: +972-549266302
Email: Alexande= r.Vainshtein=40ecitele.com


-----Original Message-----
=46rom: spring <spring-bounces=40ietf.org> On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody=
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 1:02 PM
To: bruno.decraene=40o= range.com
Cc: spring=40ietf.org
Subject: Re: =5Bspring=5D Understanding the replication draft

Hi Bruno,

Yes, thanks=21 I was just making sure that we have an agreement that PIM = is the right place to define SR P2MP Policy.

What is missing in the spring I-D is some very high level discussion in t= erms of architecture on how replication segment and SR P2MP policy come t= ogether. The current I-D tries to define a replication segment as an inde= pendent entity that could be used on its own but it makes it difficult to= visualize without some high level text or an example.

Thanks=21
Dhruv

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:12 PM <bruno.decraene=40orange.com> wrote:=
>
> Hi Dhruv,
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > =46rom: spring =5Bmailto:spring-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf= Of Dhruv
> > Dhody
> > Subject: Re: =5Bspring=5D Understanding the replication draft > >
> > Hi WG,
> >
> > Reading the I-D and based on the discussion on this thread I be= lieve
> > more description is required. As Joel pointed out, clarity on w= hat
> > is legal/illegal (or out of scope for now) is needed.
>
> I leave this for the authors to reply.
>
> > I have no strong opinion if that needs to be done before or aft= er adoption=21
> >
> > I do not follow PIM closely and just realized that the SR P2MP<= br /> > > Policy in the PIM I-D =5B1=5D is adopted by the PIM WG, but not= yet posted =5B2=5D.
> > I wanted to make sure that it has been decided that PIM is the = right
> > place to define SR P2MP policy (discussed either in the WG and/= or
> > between chairs/AD)=3F
>
> draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy-00 is to be worked in the PIM WG.
> The PIM WG is waiting for the SPRING WG to adopt draft-voyer-spring-= sr-replication-segment, since the -pim- document has a dependency on the = -spring- document.
>
> Quoting the PIM chairs: =22We have solid support to adopt this draft= . =5B...=5D We are waiting to hear back from the spring chairs as to the = wg status of the local replication draft of which your draft is dependent= . So please hold off on submitting the new draft-ietf-pim-sr-p2mp-policy = until they give us the green light.=22
>
> Does this answer your question=3F
>
> --Bruno
>
> > Thanks=21
> > Dhruv
> >
> > =5B1=5D
> > https://clicktime.sym= antec.com/36sxrNP=46ssiaB8jE9mzzZDd6H2=3Fu=3Dhttps%3A
> > %2=46%2=46datatracker.ietf.org%2=46doc%2=46draft-voyer-pim-sr-p= 2mp-policy%2=46
> > =5B2=5D
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> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:05 PM Rishabh Parekh <rishabhp=40g= mail..com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Jeff,
> > > Your explanation of distinct Transport SIDs and service la= bels
> > > (which appear at BoS) applies to Point-to-Point services. = Same
> > > model can be applied when a Point-to-Multipoint service is=
> > > realized by one end-to-end replication segment; =22Downstr= eam
> > > Replication SID=22 as specified in draft is effectively th= e service
> > > label at a specific downstream node of a Replication segme= nt with
> > > Transport SIDs imposed on top to take replicated packet to= that node.
> > >
> > > However, when a Point-to-Multipoint service is over replic= ation
> > > segments stitched together to form a P2MP tree, as describ= ed in
> > > PIM WG draft, this model no longer holds since all service= egress
> > > nodes would have to agree on one common service label. So = P2MP
> > > services implicitly map the P2MP transport label (Replicat= ion SID
> > > at BoS in this case) to the P2MP service. Of course, this = implies
> > > one-to-one association between a P2MP service and a P2MP > > > transport. There are techniques to share one P2MP transpor= t across
> > > different P2MP services using either upstream assigned lab= el or a
> > > global context from =22Domain-wide Common Block=22
> > > (draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label). These and o= ther
> > > gory details are described in Section 2 of PIM WG draft an= d to
> > > some extent in BESS MVPN-EVPN draft.
> > >
> > > -Rishabh
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:50 PM Jeff Tantsura
> > > <jefftant.ietf=40gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Rishabh,
> > > >
> > > > Transport SID with a service on top can=E2=80=99t be = a BoS label,
> > > > there=E2=80=99s s service
> > label below, since a service is associated with a particular no= de,
> > there would be at least a N-SID associated with the service nod= e.
> > > > It seems like B-SID behavior is the correct one, when= R-SID is
> > > > looked up
> > and popped, it would yield: replication (as programmed by a
> > controller, since there=E2=80=99s no state) + new label stack a= ssociated
> > with the new, post replication/branching path that is imposed o= n top
> > of existing label stack, so service label ( + optionally more t= ransport labels) are preserved.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Jeff
> > > > On Jul 1, 2020, 12:40 PM -0700, Rishabh Parekh
> > > > <rishabhp=40gmail.com>,
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Robert,
> > > >
> > > > A) =46irmly state that replication SID MUST be the la= st one on the
> > > > stack
> > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID prov= ide a
> > > > binding SID which
> > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each = replicated flow.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We would be fine with A), but we don't want to exclud= e
> > > > possibility of something like what you describe in B.=
> > > >
> > > > -Rishabh
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert Raszuk
> > > > <robert=40raszuk.net>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Rishabh,
> > > >
> > > > Of course, care must be
> > > > taken to avoid the =22explosion=22 as you describe it= . G-SID-2 has
> > > > to map to a unique node; for example, it may be an An= ycast-SID
> > > > that takes packet to distinct nodes from each of the = downstream
> > > > node, or the downstream nodes can be border nodes con= necting to
> > > > other segment routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves = to distinct
> > > > nodes in each domain.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think you are stretching it too thin.
> > > >
> > > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assu= rance that
> > > > physical
> > nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse.
> > > >
> > > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical glo= bal SID now
> > > > to be a
> > different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic exa= mple.
> > > >
> > > > I think we have two options:
> > > >
> > > > A) =46irmly state that replication SID MUST be the la= st one on the
> > > > stack
> > > >
> > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID prov= ide a
> > > > binding SID which
> > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each = replicated flow.
> > > >
> > > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very count= erintuitive
> > > > and IMHO
> > will result in operational difficulties.
> > > >
> > > > Thx a lot,
> > > > R.
> > > >
> > > >
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Hi minh= ong:

Question 1: draft-hu-rtgwg-srv6-egress-protection-08 c= ompliance draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming=A3=ACIt use H.Encaps Encapsulating the Repair List=A1=A3

Question 2: Only if SL =3D=3D 0 or No SRH, It will exe= cut the mirror behavior=A1=A3If the End Sid is the last sid,It will mirror behavior=A1=A3Or It will execut other protect behavior.<= /span>

 

Thanks

Zhibo

From: Heminhong [mailto:he.minhong@h3c.com]
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To: Huzhibo <huzhibo@huawei.com>; Huaimo.chen@futurewei.com; c= henhuan6@chinatelecom.cn; Wupeng (Baggio, VRP MKT) <baggio.wupeng@huawei= .com>; mehmet.toy@verizon.com; caoc15@chinaunicom.cn; het21@chinaunicom.= cn; liulei.kddi@gmail.com; xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com
Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org
Subject: Two questions about the draft-hu-rtgwg-srv6-egress-protecti= on-08

 

Dear,

1.&= nbsp;    About P1 how to encapsulate the packet

draft-hu-rtgwg-srv6-egress-protection-07, the following description= : =A1=B0When PE3 fails, node P1 protects PE3 through sending the p= acket to PE4 via the backup path pre-computed. P1 modifies the packet before sending it to P= E4. The modified packet has destination PE4 with mirror SID A4:1::3, and SR= H with PE3=A1=AFs VPN SID A3:1::B100 and the mi= rror SID A4:1::3 (i.e., "A3:1::B100, A4:1::3; SL=3D1"). =A1=B1=

However=A3=ACdraft-hu-rtgwg-srv6-egress-protection-08,th= e following description:  =A1=B0When PE3 fa= ils, P1 as PLR sends the packet to PE4 via the backup path pre-computed.&nb= sp; P1 encapsulates the packet using H.Encaps bef= ore sending it to PE4.=A1=B1<= /span>

 

2=A1=A2

       &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;  END SID: A2:1::B100

     &= nbsp;           *******&n= bsp; *******  VPN SID: A3:1::B100

     &= nbsp;       [PE1]-----[P1]-----[PE3]---[CE2]&= nbsp;     PE3 Egress

     &= nbsp;       / |     =    |&        | \ &nbs= p; /          PE4 Backup Egres= s

     &= nbsp;      /  |     =    |&        |  \ /&n= bsp;          CEx Customer Edg= e

     &= nbsp; [CE1]   |        |&&= nbsp;       |   X   =          Px  Non-Provider Edge=

     &= nbsp;      \  |     =    |&        |  / \&n= bsp;          *** SR Path=

     &= nbsp;       \ |     =    |& &&&&&  | /   \ =          &&& Backup Pat= h

     &= nbsp;       [PE2]-----[P2]-----[PE4]---[CE3]<= o:p>

     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;    VPN SID: A4:1::B100

     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp; Mirror SID: A4:1::3, protect PE3

 

     &= nbsp;         Figure 2: PE4 Protect= s Egress PE3 of SR Path

 

   Suppose that the p= acket received by P1 is represented by Pkt =3D (SA =3D

   A1:1::, DA =3D A2:= 1::B100)Pkt0, where DA =3D A2:1::B100 is PE3's END SID,

   and Pkt0 is the re= st of the packet.  The encapsulated packet Pkt'

   will be one of the= followings:

 

<= span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">l  Pkt= ' =3D (T, Mirror SID A4:1::3) (A1:1::, A2:1::B100)( A3:1::B100, A2:1::B100)= Pkt0, how to process?

 

Processing on the receiver or on = the sender?

 

 

Thanks for= your time, Looking forward to your reply.=

Best regards.=

Sincerely yours,

minhong

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A sync up between these modules will be useful to understand the overall design! A section describing this would also be quite useful. Few comments - - Avoid references in Abstract, See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7322#section-4.3 Similarly, the Abstract should be complete in itself. It will appear in isolation in publication announcements and in the online index of RFCs. Therefore, the Abstract must not contain citations. You could replace those with straight textual mentions of the documents. Also, the use of SHOULD in the abstract does not seem right. - Section 4, you say - The sr-mpls configuration is split in global configuration and interface configuration. But there is no interface configuration mentioned. s/lcoal/local/ - Section 5.1.1.1, you should remove this - This section is a first proposal on how to use S-bit in Adj-SID to create bundles. Authors would like to trigger discussion based on this first proposal. Please also add references for S-bit and B-Flag etc - Section 8 - The yang model lacks a "reference" statement when importing external modules or designing key concepts. They are useful while reviewing. - Can we rename ipv4-sid and ipv6-sid to ipv4-prefix-sid and ipv6-prefix-sid respectively? - It could be useful to add a description of why ERLD is read-only in the YANG. - Why is the grouping srgb defined in ietf-segment-routing-common, but the feature protocol-srgb is in ietf-segment-routing-mpls? - Can the ISIS YANG typedef be used instead of redefining the system-id in SR yang. - In the grouping sr-controlplane, is it not better to have a reference to the policy rather than a string? +--rw segment-routing | +--rw enabled? boolean | +--rw bindings | +--rw advertise | | +--rw policies* string | +--rw receive? boolean - Target is defined as a string in the yang. You do say that they are IPv4/IPv6 prefix in the context of the I-D. I want to confirm that the string is the right choice in such a case. - Section 11, ietf-segment-routing-mpls is missing from IANA section Thanks! Dhruv On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:29 PM James Guichard wrote: > > Dear SPRING WG: > > > > This email starts a two week WG LC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-sr-yang/. > > > > Substantive comments should be directed to the mailing list no later than July 7th. 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Yes, If it isn`t the last Sid,I= t will execut other protection behavior.

 

Th= anks

Zh= ibo

From: Heminhong [mailto:he.minhong@h3c.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 2:37 PM
To: Huzhibo <huzhibo@huawei.com>; Huaimo.chen@futurewei.com; c= henhuan6@chinatelecom.cn; Wupeng (Baggio, VRP MKT) <baggio.wupeng@huawei= .com>; mehmet.toy@verizon.com; caoc15@chinaunicom.cn; het21@chinaunicom.= cn; liulei.kddi@gmail.com; xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com
Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org
Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4= : Two questions about the draft-hu-rtgwg-srv6-egress-protection-08

 

Excuse =

&n= bsp;

if SL =3D=3D1 or  (T, Mirr= or SID A4:1::3) (A1:1::, A2:1::B100)( A3:1::B100, A2:1::B100)(SRH),when A2:1::B100 is PE3's<= span style=3D"color:red"> END SID, it will execut midpoint-protection ?<= o:p>

 =

 =

Thanks for= your time, Looking forward to your reply.=

Best regards.=

Sincerely yours,

minhong

&n= bsp;

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Huzhibo [mailto:huzhibo@huawei.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4:<= /span> 2020=C4=EA7=D4=C28=C8=D5 10:38
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: heminhong (RD) <he.minhong= @h3c.com>; Huaimo.chen@futurewei.com;= chenhuan6@chinatelecom.cn; Wupeng (Baggio, VRP MKT) <baggio.wupeng@huawei.com>; mehmet.toy@verizon.com; caoc15@chinaunicom.cn; het21@ch= inaunicom.cn; liulei.kddi@gmail.com; xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com
=B3=AD=CB=CD: rtgwg@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org<= br> =D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: Two questions about the draft-hu-rtgwg-srv6-egress-protection-08=

 

Hi minh= ong:

Question 1: draft-hu-rtgwg-srv6-egress-protection-08 c= ompliance draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming=A3=ACIt use H.Encaps Encapsulating the Repair List=A1=A3

Question 2: Only if SL =3D=3D 0 or No SRH, It will exe= cut the mirror behavior=A1=A3If the End Sid is the last sid,It will mirror behavior=A1=A3Or It will execut other protect behavior.<= /span>

 

Thanks

Zhibo

From: Heminhong [mailto:he.minhong@h3c.com]
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Subject: Two questions about the draft-hu-rtgwg-srv6-egress-protecti= on-08

 

Dear,

1.&= nbsp;    About P1 how to encapsulate the packet

draft-hu-rtgwg-srv6-egress-protection-07, the following description= : =A1=B0When PE3 fails, node P1 protects PE3 through sending the p= acket to PE4 via the backup path pre-computed. P1 modifies the packet before sending it to P= E4. The modified packet has destination PE4 with mirror SID A4:1::3, and SR= H with PE3=A1=AFs VPN SID A3:1::B100 and the mi= rror SID A4:1::3 (i.e., "A3:1::B100, A4:1::3; SL=3D1"). =A1=B1=

However=A3=ACdraft-hu-rtgwg-srv6-egress-protection-08,th= e following description:  =A1=B0When PE3 fa= ils, P1 as PLR sends the packet to PE4 via the backup path pre-computed.&nb= sp; P1 encapsulates the packet using H.Encaps bef= ore sending it to PE4.=A1=B1<= /span>

 

2=A1=A2

       &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;  END SID: A2:1::B100

     &= nbsp;           *******&n= bsp; *******  VPN SID: A3:1::B100

     &= nbsp;       [PE1]-----[P1]-----[PE3]---[CE2]&= nbsp;     PE3 Egress

     &= nbsp;       / |     =    |&        | \ &nbs= p; /          PE4 Backup Egres= s

     &= nbsp;      /  |     =    |&        |  \ /&n= bsp;          CEx Customer Edg= e

     &= nbsp; [CE1]   |        |&&= nbsp;       |   X   =          Px  Non-Provider Edge=

     &= nbsp;      \  |     =    |&        |  / \&n= bsp;          *** SR Path=

     &= nbsp;       \ |     =    |& &&&&&  | /   \ =          &&& Backup Pat= h

     &= nbsp;       [PE2]-----[P2]-----[PE4]---[CE3]<= o:p>

     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;    VPN SID: A4:1::B100

     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp; Mirror SID: A4:1::3, protect PE3

 

     &= nbsp;         Figure 2: PE4 Protect= s Egress PE3 of SR Path

 

   Suppose that the p= acket received by P1 is represented by Pkt =3D (SA =3D

   A1:1::, DA =3D A2:= 1::B100)Pkt0, where DA =3D A2:1::B100 is PE3's END SID,

   and Pkt0 is the re= st of the packet.  The encapsulated packet Pkt'

   will be one of the= followings:

 

<= span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">l  Pkt= ' =3D (T, Mirror SID A4:1::3) (A1:1::, A2:1::B100)( A3:1::B100, A2:1::B100)= Pkt0, how to process?

 

Processing on the receiver or on = the sender?

 

 

Thanks for= your time, Looking forward to your reply.=

Best regards.=

Sincerely yours,

minhong

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This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of = the IETF. Title : Segment Routing Policy Architecture Authors : Clarence Filsfils Ketan Talaulikar Daniel Voyer Alex Bogdanov Paul Mattes Filename : draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-08.txt Pages : 35 Date : 2020-07-07 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) allows a headend node to steer a packet flow along any path. Intermediate per-flow states are eliminated thanks to source routing. The headend node steers a flow into an SR Policy. The header of a packet steered in an SR Policy is augmented with an ordered list of segments associated with that SR Policy. This document details the concepts of SR Policy and steering into an SR Policy. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-pol= icy-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-polic= y-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ spring mailing list spring@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring From nobody Wed Jul 8 07:49:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5517D3A0C7B for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 07:49:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QYGQONi9ivLR for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 07:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta1.chinamobile.com (cmccmta1.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFC53A0C3A for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 07:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.7]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app04-12004 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee45f05dcc7c16-72a2f; Wed, 08 Jul 2020 22:48:39 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee45f05dcc7c16-72a2f X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[223.72.74.109]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr04-12004 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee45f05dcc5acf-4e89b; Wed, 08 Jul 2020 22:48:38 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee45f05dcc5acf-4e89b From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: "'Joel Halpern'" , Cc: "'Sander Steffann'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 22:48:38 +0800 Message-ID: <025601d65536$ddab14e0$99013ea0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZUexjuCbdDkeH1RziPsnREar7ozAAuQYeQ Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Final? design team charge X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:49:01 -0000 Thanks a lot to Joel and other Chairs. Hi Sanders and team, It is very nice to work together with you all.=20 It seems possible and useful to apply for an archived email list. Let's get started. B.R. Weiqiang Cheng -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE----- =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Joel Halpern =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA7=D4=C28=C8=D5 00:24 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: spring@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: [spring] Final? design team charge Having gotten various volunteers, and considered what the WG needs, the=20 SPRING chairs have selected the design team for clarifying the SR over=20 IPv6 compression situation. The Design team will be Co-Chaired by: Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile and Sanders Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy The other members of the team are: Ron Bonica of Juniper Darren Dukes of Cisco Cheng Li of Huawei Peng Shaofu of ZTE Wim Henderickx of Nokia Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom (We understand that some members may be on vacation. We ask the chairs=20 to please get the design team up and running as fast as possible, and=20 deal with vacations as necessary.) The design team is to produce (rough) consensus (of the DT) outputs to=20 the WG on two related topics: 1) What are the requirements for solutions to compressing segment=20 routing information for use over IPv6; 2) A comparison of proposed approaches to compressing segment routing=20 information for use over IPv6. In both cases, assertions / requirements should be explicitly explained=20 and motivated. Please do not assume that everyone has the same=20 perspective or assumptions. We expect these results to take the form of Internet Drafts. How the=20 design team does the development is up to them. Note that while we are=20 asking for I-Ds, we are not assuming that these results will be=20 published as RFCs. When the working group has progressed, we will see=20 if there is agreement as to the value of long term publication of this=20 material. 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Thanks, Regards, Bruno --- "A SR Replication segment allows a packet to be replicated from a replicati= on node to downstream nodes." May be adding "Each downstream node is reached by using a unicast segment o= r SR policy." (otherwise, the building of a multicast tree seem possibly within the scope) ----- "a Replication segment is a logical segment" - I'm not sure what you mean by "logical". - My understanding is that the replication is a local segment as per RFC840= 2. i.e. it is instantiated on one single node. Can you make this clear in t= he document? ----- "A Downstream Node could be represented by the node's Node SID (i.e. it does not matter how traffic gets to the Downstream Node, whether it's directly connected or not), or in case of a directly connected node it could be represented by the Adjacency SID (for the interface connecting to the directly connected Leaf Node). Alternatively, a Downstream Node could be represented by a SID-list or a Segment Routing Policy [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy] that partially/fully specifies the explicit path from the Replication Node to the Downstream Node, or even represented by another Replication segment." This definition uses only "could", "alternatively", "or even". Would it be possible to phrase it to describe what _it is_ ? On the list, Andrew proposed the following text "downstreamIngressReplicati= onSid and SID Path". Which may be could be phrased as: a unicast SR policy,= (possibly) followed by a replication segment. And if you extend the SR-Pol= icy to include the use of a Replication segment, may be specification of a = branch could simply be 'one SR policy'. ----- " For the root of a Multi-point service, the Replication SID SHOULD be considered to be the equivalent of Binding SID [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy] of a Segment Routing Policy. At a downstream node of the Multi-point service, the Replication SID MAY be used to identify that portion of the Multi-point service." >From this text, it's not clear whether the replication SID/segment is a loc= al segment, or a global segment, or something new to be defined. Why not replacing the above text with " the Replication SID SHOULD be considered to be the equivalent of Binding SID [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy] of a Segment Routing Policy." ------- " o When the Active Segment [RFC8402] is the Replication SID. In this case, the operation for a replicated copy is CONTINUE." "CONTINUE" would mean that the segment is not a local segment. So the document really needs to clarify whether the replication SID/segment= is a local segment, or a global segment, or something new to be defined. ----- " o On the root of a Multi-point service, based on local policy-based routing. In this case, the operation for a replicated copy is PUSH." Introduction states that the building of a tree (hence the root) is out of = scope of this document. Could the section 2 "Replication Segment" of this document be focused on th= e definition and specification of this local replication segment? ----- " If a Downstream Node is an egress (aka leaf) of the Multi-point service, i.e. no further replication is needed, then that leaf node's Replication segment will not have any Replication State and the operation is NEXT. Notice that the segment on the leaf node is still referred to as a Replication segment for the purpose of generalization. A node can be a bud node, i.e. it is a replication node and a leaf node of a Multi-point service at the same time [I-D.voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy]. In this case, the Replication segment's Replication State includes a branch with the Downstream Node being itself and the operation for the replicated copy is NEXT." same comment: Could the section 2 "Replication Segment" of this document be= focused on the definition and specification of this local replication segm= ent? ---- "Replication segments apply equally to both SR-MPLS and SRv6 instantiations= of Segment Routing." May be, but there are differences between both data planes and the draft do= es not talk about those differences. e.g. for SR-MPLS, labels are local to a node (including labels of global se= gments). Hence it's not crystal clear to me if/how a segment/label can foll= ow a replication segment. Because that label would be received by N nodes, = which may understand it differently (different FEC). How is this handled? I= n essence, the situation is similar to the use of anycast SID. So this seem= s possible to handle it, but may be not trivial up to the point of not ment= ioning it. (some options are using upstream allocated labels with context f= orwarding tables, enforcing that all receivers use the same FEC for the lab= el. cf the spring anycast draft) e.g. for SRv6, the use of binding SID implies the use of new (another) IPv6= encapsulation [1]. So if N consecutive replication segments are used along= the path, N IPv6 encapsulation are performed. I'm not seen a provision for= performing the N de-encapsulations. How is this handled, on which node(s)? [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-= 16#section-5 ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi,

 

As an individual contributor, please find below some proposed comments.<= o:p>

 

Thanks,

Regards,

Bruno

 

---

"A SR Replication segment allows a packet to be replicated from a r= eplication node to downstream nodes."

May be adding "Each downstream node is reached by using a unicast s= egment or SR policy."

(otherwise, the building of a multicast tree seem possibly within the sc= ope)

 

-----

"a Replication segment is a logical segment"=

- I'm not sure what you mean by "logical".

- My understanding is that the replication is a local segment as per RFC= 8402. i.e. it is instantiated on one single node. Can you make this clear i= n the document?

 

-----

 

"A Downstream Node could be

   represented by the node's Node SID (i.e. it does not matter how=

   traffic gets to the Downstream Node, whether it's directly connected=

   or not), or in case of a directly connected node it could be

   represented by the Adjacency SID (for the interface connecting to th= e

   directly connected Leaf Node). = ; Alternatively, a Downstream Node

   could be represented by a SID-list or a Segment Routing Policy<= /o:p>

   [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-polic= y] that partially/fully

   specifies the explicit path from the Replication Node to the

   Downstream Node, or even represented by another Replication segment.= "

  

This definition uses only "could", "alternatively", = "or even".

Would it be possible to phrase it to describe what _it is_ ?<= /span>

On the list, Andrew proposed the following text "downstreamIngressReplicationSid and SID Path". Which may b= e could be phrased as: a unicast SR policy, (possibly) followed by a replication segment. And if you extend the SR-Policy to incl= ude the use of a Replication segment, may be specification of a branch coul= d simply be 'one SR policy'.

 

-----

"  For the root of a Multi-point service, the Replication SID

   SHOULD be considered to be the equivalent of Binding SID<= /span>

   [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-polic= y] of a Segment Routing Policy.

   At a downstream node of the Multi-point service, the Replication SID=

   MAY be used to identify that portion of the Multi-point service.&quo= t;

  

From this text, it's not clear whether the replication SID/segment is a = local segment, or a global segment, or something new to be defined.

Why not replacing the above text with

" the Replication SID

   SHOULD be considered to be the equivalent of Binding SID<= /span>

   [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-polic= y] of a Segment Routing Policy."

 

-------

" o  When the Active Segment [RFC8402] is the Replication SID.  In this

      case, the operation for a replicated copy is CONTINUE."

 

"CONTINUE" would mean that the segment is not a local segment.=

So the document really needs to clarify whether the replication SID/segm= ent is a local segment, or a global segment, or something new to be defined= .

 

-----

"  o  On the root of a Mul= ti-point service, based on local policy-based

      routing.  In this case,= the operation for a replicated copy is

      PUSH."

      &nbs= p;          

Introduction states that the building of a tree (hence the root) is out = of scope of this document.

 

Could the section 2 "Replication Segment" of this document be = focused on the definition and specification of this local replication segme= nt?      &nbs= p;    

 

-----

"  If a Downstream Node is an egress (aka leaf) of the Multi-point=

   service, i.e. no further replication is needed, then that leaf node'= s

   Replication segment will not have any Replication State and the=

   operation is NEXT.  Not= ice that the segment on the leaf node is still

   referred to as a Replication segment for the purpose of

   generalization.

 

   A node can be a bud node, i.e. it is a replication node and a leaf

   node of a Multi-point service at the same time

   [I-D.voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy].&nbs= p; In this case, the Replication

   segment's Replication State includes a branch with the Downstream

   Node being itself and the operation for the replicated copy is NEXT.= "

 

same comment: Could the section 2 "Replication Segment" of thi= s document be focused on the definition and specification of this local rep= lication segment?  

 

----

"Replication segments apply equally to both SR-MPLS and SRv6 instan= tiations of Segment Routing."

 

May be, but there are differences between both data planes and the draft= does not talk about those differences.

e.g. for SR-MPLS, labels are local to a node (including labels of global= segments). Hence it's not crystal clear to me if/how a segment/label can f= ollow a replication segment. Because that label would be received by N nodes, which may understand it differently (d= ifferent FEC). How is this handled? In essence, the situation is similar to= the use of anycast SID. So this seems possible to handle= it, but may be not trivial up to the point of not mentioning it. (some opt= ions are using upstream allocated labels with context forwarding tables, en= forcing that all receivers use the same FEC for the label. cf the spring anycast draft)

 

 

e.g. for SRv6, the use of binding SID implies the use of new (another) I= Pv6 encapsulation [1]. So if N consecutive replication segments are used al= ong the path, N IPv6 encapsulation are performed. I'm not seen a provision for performing the N de-encapsulations= . How is this handled, on which node(s)?

 

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programmi= ng-16#section-5

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--_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48ECD7AAOPEXCAUBM43corp_-- From nobody Wed Jul 8 09:07:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DE83A0EFF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 09:07:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n5OyjwR9KOiv for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 09:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 977203A0EF8 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 09:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B24243jnCz6G7Zc for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 09:07:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1594224428; bh=1EehXpCTt4gr/kuVIs0/0m+jvmsxVfh+qBbwy8/lR2s=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=Zefy9ZkBiyvCRMF0gCnR2sv14UO7QJ2LJo17VGIVH+NWQ82A9hycCW77ZJEv1Mxr7 zYKgkzAKOH8eji5njafzh+4++a6APu+1UN6ivJL4AaZfgCwHxCGoreFL8QqNuMrPae 3XMpNDURNQloKV/SuUhE0YmQ3lylligmu1moUchY= X-Quarantine-ID: <8lpf05rMHyk6> X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at a2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B24240jKkz6GD4H for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 09:07:08 -0700 (PDT) To: "spring@ietf.org" From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: <298cdda3-427e-deaf-a656-010f8e46471d@joelhalpern.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 12:07:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [spring] regarding the replication segment draft X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:07:10 -0000 I am told that I was unclear in some aspects of my comments. Speaking as an individual: 1) I hope and expect we can get to adopting this. I have no objection to the idea 2) As I see it, before we can adopt this draft we need enough description of the operational requirements / restrictions (e.g. where can replication segments appear, how are replication trees described, where can conventional SIDs appear in a stack with replications segments?) 2') Note that the descriptions do not have to be perfect. I do understand that we are at WG adoption, not WG last call. 3) Just for completeness, I understand that the control aspects are out of scope, and are being dealt with in other working groups (presumably with appropriate cross-communication) Yours, Joel From nobody Wed Jul 8 16:28:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D973A096E; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:28:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gGMs4nVd0Esw; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x32d.google.com (mail-wm1-x32d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E5CC3A0972; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32d.google.com with SMTP id a6so4971546wmm.0; Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:28:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=k/VLxsskfw3oN3yIW3zbtnhOPAN9/NtI+c0+yNtfHPY=; b=Nr8Z3Bbsrbrq31CKKKc+iWFdmvAUGo+UHduKuJ8IM/LZmq8Jis2GUaFXdQRVD3hCCT 0vzrMp5TnHbPMADDOj42vyJwiDkuvGAEFEp7NAWqe8SSvdImtaQbnONs/UZOjk+eBPON UqbL1zX8I3EWrutgcS4XVi3D0WverCXK2QmV5Rd3be3GgKG/6m1C1qE2IVF7uAqJjlqf Fg2QL/m8eYBqqAsoaAXacnfTQSOytlDADxoDRg+iDGwuM0lq1zsxoqydDwcepRJqAuzw eH7IPzcjSoMizMY1sqgLolD3M1vBZX/2k8CYNy0pSKl+ifytVJm6HMJ0dxM6OQGVBzDf UPxA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=k/VLxsskfw3oN3yIW3zbtnhOPAN9/NtI+c0+yNtfHPY=; b=e8Z9t7xHjK08go8PSSUPXzxSz/BSA0a6eZG5cpQZ5B2+b5FPkRNM6VImVyYxwyTAiv ULInOmvTI9KgGXYqW13AYRXyGQxgQJj4k/eUDP9d6Lub/er4wCSIXhb2/xSnF8m/zJMb 72EIbLTRfl15mng64FpD8jotdB9x7WeJyuXB3UJcB00oNnzyJVc4K0lDqE4ZYNZZgRW9 MKaWzHKZTHTXHSuo/UMlbKe2FUiFwK3tAX08IbO3sXJNMtd4WLtvhmrG1nE16mxU+bHi igZ6++guAlySGdKwmEcv3cSKCdcw5TVmxxsqNZQGb8k8dnzIeIL9uwQNKjDZCITMwXMF Im+g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533DHwhsQHj0ANHu+gjDXabuzbYtAM5DlBhtfFt2P4Uyl91fsU/B uReWLxbBmYHHoy546YUUxOhVvn5Z+dLZfQMEJSIOHvql36M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxu72o4fwnzn2uX2lsJl9uHaTwn2/xDyQP5G3bhmXT6hUgSk8LxICkDgiAkC/7vH1+GhmgAguxBJP2W+o6iL0E= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2483:: with SMTP id 3mr11380775wms.120.1594250903411; Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:28:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3632_1594220860_5F05E13C_3632_134_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48ECD7AA@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <3632_1594220860_5F05E13C_3632_134_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48ECD7AA@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Rishabh Parekh Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:28:10 -0700 Message-ID: To: bruno.decraene@orange.com Cc: "draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment-03 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2020 23:28:28 -0000 Bruno, Replies inline > --- > > "A SR Replication segment allows a packet to be replicated from a replica= tion node to downstream nodes." > > May be adding "Each downstream node is reached by using a unicast segment= or SR policy." > > (otherwise, the building of a multicast tree seem possibly within the sco= pe) > > If the downstream node is directly connected, we don't need a unicast segment or SR policy to reach that node, just an interface to that node is sufficient. > > ----- > > "a Replication segment is a logical segment" > > - I'm not sure what you mean by "logical". > > - My understanding is that the replication is a local segment as per RFC8= 402. i.e. it is instantiated on one single node. Can you make this clear in= the document? > > By "logical" we mean the Replication segment is not a topological construct (like a node or a link). I am proposing the following text to clarify that it is a local segment instantiated at the Replication and Downstream nodes. "In a Segment Routing Domain, a Replication segment is a logical construct which connects a Replication Node to a set of Downstream Nodes. A Replication segment is a local segment instantiated at the Replication node and and MAY be instantiated at Downstream nodes. It can be either provisioned locally on a node or programmed by a PCE. " > > "A Downstream Node could be > > represented by the node's Node SID (i.e. it does not matter how > > traffic gets to the Downstream Node, whether it's directly connected > > or not), or in case of a directly connected node it could be > > represented by the Adjacency SID (for the interface connecting to the > > directly connected Leaf Node). Alternatively, a Downstream Node > > could be represented by a SID-list or a Segment Routing Policy > > [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy] that partially/fully > > specifies the explicit path from the Replication Node to the > > Downstream Node, or even represented by another Replication segment." > > > > This definition uses only "could", "alternatively", "or even". > > Would it be possible to phrase it to describe what _it is_ ? > > On the list, Andrew proposed the following text "downstreamIngressReplica= tionSid and SID Path". Which may be could be phrased as: a unicast SR polic= y, (possibly) followed by a replication segment. And if you extend the SR-P= olicy to include the use of a Replication segment, may be specification of = a branch could simply be 'one SR policy'. > > As you suggest, we will try to simplify this in the next revision. Below is proposed text (that also incorporates the response to first comment): "A Downstream Node is represented by a SID-list or a Segment Routing Policy that specifies the explicit path from the Replication Node to the Downstream Node, or even represented by another Replication segment. The SID-list MAY just have one SID. If a downstream node is adjacent to a Replication node, it MAY also be represented by an interface." > > ----- > > " For the root of a Multi-point service, the Replication SID > > SHOULD be considered to be the equivalent of Binding SID > > [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy] of a Segment Routing Policy. > > At a downstream node of the Multi-point service, the Replication SID > > MAY be used to identify that portion of the Multi-point service." > > > > From this text, it's not clear whether the replication SID/segment is a l= ocal segment, or a global segment, or something new to be defined. > > Why not replacing the above text with > > " the Replication SID > > SHOULD be considered to be the equivalent of Binding SID > > [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy] of a Segment Routing Policy." > > We are proposing this text: "At a Replication node, the Replication SID SHOULD be considered to be the equivalent of Binding SID of a Segment Routing Policy.". The text about "Downstream Node" has been to another paragraph in same section where we describe NEXT operation. > > ------- > > " o When the Active Segment [RFC8402] is the Replication SID. In this > > case, the operation for a replicated copy is CONTINUE." > > > > "CONTINUE" would mean that the segment is not a local segment. > > So the document really needs to clarify whether the replication SID/segme= nt is a local segment, or a global segment, or something new to be defined.= . > > The CONTINUE operation just captures the label swap for each replication, with just the Downstream Replication SID in the simplest case. > > ----- > > " o On the root of a Multi-point service, based on local policy-based > > routing. In this case, the operation for a replicated copy is > > PUSH." > > > > Introduction states that the building of a tree (hence the root) is out o= f scope of this document. > > > > Could the section 2 "Replication Segment" of this document be focused on = the definition and specification of this local replication segment? > > > > ----- > > " If a Downstream Node is an egress (aka leaf) of the Multi-point > > service, i.e. no further replication is needed, then that leaf node's > > Replication segment will not have any Replication State and the > > operation is NEXT. Notice that the segment on the leaf node is still > > referred to as a Replication segment for the purpose of > > generalization. > > > > A node can be a bud node, i.e. it is a replication node and a leaf > > node of a Multi-point service at the same time > > [I-D.voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy]. In this case, the Replication > > segment's Replication State includes a branch with the Downstream > > Node being itself and the operation for the replicated copy is NEXT." > > > > same comment: Could the section 2 "Replication Segment" of this document = be focused on the definition and specification of this local replication se= gment? > > The description of PUSH, CONTINUE and NEXT operation was introduced in version 02 as a result of discussions with Sasha and other WG members in this thread: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spring/?q=3DThe%20SPRING%20WG%20ha= s%20placed%20draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment%20in%20state%20. IMO, the processing of a packet as it traverses a Replication Segment is specified by these operations and should be part of the draft. > > ---- > > "Replication segments apply equally to both SR-MPLS and SRv6 instantiatio= ns of Segment Routing." > > > > May be, but there are differences between both data planes and the draft = does not talk about those differences. > > e.g. for SR-MPLS, labels are local to a node (including labels of global = segments). Hence it's not crystal clear to me if/how a segment/label can fo= llow a replication segment. Because that label would be received by N nodes= , which may understand it differently (different FEC). How is this handled?= In essence, the situation is similar to the use of anycast SID. So this se= ems possible to handle it, but may be not trivial up to the point of not me= ntioning it. (some options are using upstream allocated labels with context= forwarding tables, enforcing that all receivers use the same FEC for the l= abel. cf the spring anycast draft) > > > > > > e.g. for SRv6, the use of binding SID implies the use of new (another) IP= v6 encapsulation [1]. So if N consecutive replication segments are used alo= ng the path, N IPv6 encapsulation are performed. I'm not seen a provision f= or performing the N de-encapsulations.. How is this handled, on which node(= s)? > > > > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programmin= g-16#section-5 > We do have an approach for SRv6 Replication. After adoption, we were going to poll the WG to see if SRv6 content can be incorporated in this draft or in a separate document. However, we do want to retain minimal text about SRv6 in the draft since this Replication construct applies to SRv6 also. From nobody Thu Jul 9 17:07:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0680C3A09D5; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 17:07:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.7.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: spring@ietf.org Message-ID: <159433965395.23038.11000006875791074858@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 17:07:34 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-sr-yang-16.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 00:07:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for Segment Routing Authors : Stephane Litkowski Yingzhen Qu Acee Lindem Pushpasis Sarkar Jeff Tantsura Filename : draft-ietf-spring-sr-yang-16.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2020-07-09 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model ([RFC6020], [RFC7950]) for segment routing ([RFC8402]) configuration and operation. This YANG model is intended to be used on network elements to configure or operate segment routing MPLS data plane [RFC8660]. This document defines also generic containers that SHOULD be reused by IGP protocol modules to support segment routing. 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This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for Segment Routing Authors : Stephane Litkowski Yingzhen Qu Acee Lindem Pushpasis Sarkar Jeff Tantsura Filename : draft-ietf-spring-sr-yang-17.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2020-07-09 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for segment routing configuration and operation, which is to be augmented by different segment routing data planes. The document also defines a YANG model that is intended to be used on network elements to configure or operate segment routing MPLS data plane, as well as some generic containers to be reused by IGP protocol modules to support segment routing. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-sr-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-sr-yang-17 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-sr-yang-17 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-spring-sr-yang-17 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 07:55:52 -0000 Hi Yingzhen, Thanks for your reply, snipping to the open items - > > You're correct that SRv6 YANG should be augmenting segment-routing like sr-mpls. This was the agreement between SRv6 and SR-MPLS YANG authors. Hopefully SRv6 YANG authors will update so in the next revision. > I would also encourage you to consider adding some high-level text describing the relationship between the 3 modules defined in this I-D and your guidance for SRv6-Yang. A figure could also be quite useful. > - Can we rename ipv4-sid and ipv6-sid to ipv4-prefix-sid and > ipv6-prefix-sid respectively? > [YQ]: not sure whether there are other modules using these groupings. Will check to make sure not breaking other YANG modules importing it. > I looked in the IGP SR Yang I-Ds as well as searched in the https://www.yangcatalog.org/ and found nothing. More importantly, it is normal for other YANG modules to be updated in such a case. > - It could be useful to add a description of why ERLD is read-only > in the YANG. > [YQ]: ERLD? > Entropy capable Readable Label Depth - the node-capabilities, and entropy-readable-label-depth below marked as "ro" module: ietf-segment-routing-mpls augment /rt:routing/sr:segment-routing: +--rw sr-mpls +--ro node-capabilities | +--ro entropy-readable-label-depth? uint8 +--rw msd {max-sid-depth}? > - Can the ISIS YANG typedef be used instead of redefining the > system-id in SR yang. > [YQ]: ISIS-SR YANG will be importing both SR-MPLS and ISIS YANG, so the typedef from ISIS YANG can't be reused since it will cause circular reference. > That is not true! Notice the arrows in - https://sketchboard.me/NCeua6qrZBzV Also, I made the change in my local copy, and all 3 yang models compile cleanly! > - In the grouping sr-controlplane, is it not better to have a > reference to the policy rather than a string? > > +--rw segment-routing > | +--rw enabled? boolean > | +--rw bindings > | +--rw advertise > | | +--rw policies* string > | +--rw receive? Boolean > > [YQ]: Do you mean the policy in mapping server? Which is a string. > Yes, I assume this policy is the same as - /rt:routing/sr:segment-routing:/sr-mpls/bindings/mapping-server/policy/name and thus wondering why not a leafref? If this policy is different please add more text explaining it. > - Target is defined as a string in the yang. You do say that they > are IPv4/IPv6 prefix in the context of the I-D. I want to confirm that > the string is the right choice in such a case. > [YQ]: this is intended. > Please consider adding some descriptive text around this. Thanks! Dhruv From nobody Fri Jul 10 12:43:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31D53A08BB; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 12:43:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.7.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: spring@ietf.org Message-ID: <159441020467.20214.13572332318892279882@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 12:43:24 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment-04.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 19:43:25 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF. Title : SR Replication Segment for Multi-point Service Delivery Authors : Daniel Voyer Clarence Filsfils Rishabh Parekh Hooman Bidgoli Zhaohui Zhang Filename : draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment-04.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2020-07-10 Abstract: This document describes the SR Replication segment for Multi-point service delivery. A SR Replication segment allows a packet to be replicated from a replication node to downstream nodes. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jul 10 13:20:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02AAF3A0929 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:20:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kfOBVRfcvc7f for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89DA93A0928 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3PYh2VGfz6G9pZ; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:20:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1594412440; bh=Qeri8pqKUcV65+UH5urhfqp+qYTvMKRgOzmpUahRZYI=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=W4gg8omyrVXwa287jD0eVGPSL9WOEtgmUgaveWnopHge4BapidVDc+ShczGOZF9Sf ErO5IVj/43NrKiOJWdK2LyDAg+gjBu8KXjcK3axDaTdPYIiRRK7JoByM5qXl1siSkn ERyHikBE3p44yr/5SHyMI8mo9jHLtFiGqq3u1ttE= X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at a2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B3PYg4yJ5z6G8DB; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:20:39 -0700 (PDT) To: Bruno Decraene , James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" References: <159441020467.20214.13572332318892279882@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Joel Halpern Message-ID: <1de755fd-314a-483b-6a2a-da29b998582d@joelhalpern.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:20:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <159441020467.20214.13572332318892279882@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] I-D Action: draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment-04.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:20:42 -0000 My thanks to the authors. The revisions captured here address my concerns regarding the call for adoption. Yours, Joel On 7/10/2020 3:43 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF. > > Title : SR Replication Segment for Multi-point Service Delivery > Authors : Daniel Voyer > Clarence Filsfils > Rishabh Parekh > Hooman Bidgoli > Zhaohui Zhang > Filename : draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment-04.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2020-07-10 > > Abstract: > This document describes the SR Replication segment for Multi-point > service delivery. A SR Replication segment allows a packet to be > replicated from a replication node to downstream nodes. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment-04 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment-04 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment-04 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > From nobody Fri Jul 10 13:46:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CE53A0967 for ; 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Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:45:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <94415742-fc4e-1774-bf96-01eac3672bfb@joelhalpern.com> <32104_1594114929_5F044371_32104_68_5_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48EC8CCE@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <3d5c2f1b-d033-41ca-a59d-6c74addcc08c@Spark> In-Reply-To: <3d5c2f1b-d033-41ca-a59d-6c74addcc08c@Spark> From: Rishabh Parekh Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:45:41 -0700 Message-ID: To: Jeff Tantsura Cc: Dhruv Dhody , "bruno.decraene@orange.com" , Alexander Vainshtein , "spring@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004b82c905aa1c6d5b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:45:59 -0000 --0000000000004b82c905aa1c6d5b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, We have posted revision 04 of the draft. This addresses comments on this thread and adds an example illustrating replication segment. Diff from rev 03: https://tinyurl.com/y96ueb9h Some WG members also wanted to understand how Replication segments are stitched together to form a P2MP tree based on SR P2MP policy in the PIM draft. We have posted revision 02 of PIM P2MP policy draft that adds examples of how these things tie together. I hope that helps clarify the relationship. Diff from rev 01: https://tinyurl.com/yban2jp6 Please review, -Rishabh On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 2:16 PM Jeff Tantsura wrote: > Thanks Rishabh! > +1 to the above comments and looking forward to the updated draft. > > Cheers, > Jeff > On Jul 7, 2020, 7:35 AM -0700, Alexander Vainshtein < > Alexander.Vainshtein@rbbn.com>, wrote: > > Dhruv, Bruno and all, > Regarding the statement " What is missing in the spring I-D is some very > high level discussion in terms of architecture on how replication segment > and SR P2MP policy come together" - I cannot agree more. > > My 2c, > Sasha > > Office: +972-39266302 > Cell: +972-549266302 > Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: spring On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 1:02 PM > To: bruno.decraene@orange.com > Cc: spring@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft > > Hi Bruno, > > Yes, thanks! I was just making sure that we have an agreement that PIM is > the right place to define SR P2MP Policy. > > What is missing in the spring I-D is some very high level discussion in > terms of architecture on how replication segment and SR P2MP policy come > together. The current I-D tries to define a replication segment as an > independent entity that could be used on its own but it makes it difficul= t > to visualize without some high level text or an example. > > Thanks! > Dhruv > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:12 PM wrote: > > > > Hi Dhruv, > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv > > > Dhody > > > Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft > > > > > > Hi WG, > > > > > > Reading the I-D and based on the discussion on this thread I believe > > > more description is required. As Joel pointed out, clarity on what > > > is legal/illegal (or out of scope for now) is needed. > > > > I leave this for the authors to reply. > > > > > I have no strong opinion if that needs to be done before or after > adoption! > > > > > > I do not follow PIM closely and just realized that the SR P2MP > > > Policy in the PIM I-D [1] is adopted by the PIM WG, but not yet poste= d > [2]. > > > I wanted to make sure that it has been decided that PIM is the right > > > place to define SR P2MP policy (discussed either in the WG and/or > > > between chairs/AD)? > > > > draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy-00 is to be worked in the PIM WG. > > The PIM WG is waiting for the SPRING WG to adopt > draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment, since the -pim- document has a > dependency on the -spring- document. > > > > Quoting the PIM chairs: "We have solid support to adopt this draft.. > [...] We are waiting to hear back from the spring chairs as to the wg > status of the local replication draft of which your draft is dependent.. = So > please hold off on submitting the new draft-ietf-pim-sr-p2mp-policy until > they give us the green light." > > > > Does this answer your question? > > > > --Bruno > > > > > Thanks! > > > Dhruv > > > > > > [1] > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/36sxrNPFssiaB8jE9mzzZDd6H2?u=3Dhttps%3= A > > > %2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy%2F > > > [2] > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3LtBxbxRK3NkuKYc3FC7rr46H2?u=3Dhttps%3= A > > > %2F%2Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fpim%2FYyF7I02aaRtpZngf7uTn > > > o69IB90%2F > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:05 PM Rishabh Parekh > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Jeff, > > > > Your explanation of distinct Transport SIDs and service labels > > > > (which appear at BoS) applies to Point-to-Point services. Same > > > > model can be applied when a Point-to-Multipoint service is > > > > realized by one end-to-end replication segment; "Downstream > > > > Replication SID" as specified in draft is effectively the service > > > > label at a specific downstream node of a Replication segment with > > > > Transport SIDs imposed on top to take replicated packet to that nod= e. > > > > > > > > However, when a Point-to-Multipoint service is over replication > > > > segments stitched together to form a P2MP tree, as described in > > > > PIM WG draft, this model no longer holds since all service egress > > > > nodes would have to agree on one common service label. So P2MP > > > > services implicitly map the P2MP transport label (Replication SID > > > > at BoS in this case) to the P2MP service. Of course, this implies > > > > one-to-one association between a P2MP service and a P2MP > > > > transport. There are techniques to share one P2MP transport across > > > > different P2MP services using either upstream assigned label or a > > > > global context from "Domain-wide Common Block" > > > > (draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label). These and other > > > > gory details are described in Section 2 of PIM WG draft and to > > > > some extent in BESS MVPN-EVPN draft. > > > > > > > > -Rishabh > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:50 PM Jeff Tantsura > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rishabh, > > > > > > > > > > Transport SID with a service on top can=E2=80=99t be a BoS label, > > > > > there=E2=80=99s s service > > > label below, since a service is associated with a particular node, > > > there would be at least a N-SID associated with the service node. > > > > > It seems like B-SID behavior is the correct one, when R-SID is > > > > > looked up > > > and popped, it would yield: replication (as programmed by a > > > controller, since there=E2=80=99s no state) + new label stack associa= ted > > > with the new, post replication/branching path that is imposed on top > > > of existing label stack, so service label ( + optionally more > transport labels) are preserved. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Jeff > > > > > On Jul 1, 2020, 12:40 PM -0700, Rishabh Parekh > > > > > , > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Robert, > > > > > > > > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the > > > > > stack > > > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a > > > > > binding SID which > > > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each > replicated flow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We would be fine with A), but we don't want to exclude > > > > > possibility of something like what you describe in B. > > > > > > > > > > -Rishabh > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert Raszuk > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rishabh, > > > > > > > > > > Of course, care must be > > > > > taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describe it.. G-SID-2 has > > > > > to map to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID > > > > > that takes packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream > > > > > node, or the downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to > > > > > other segment routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct > > > > > nodes in each domain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are stretching it too thin. > > > > > > > > > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that > > > > > physical > > > nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse. > > > > > > > > > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now > > > > > to be a > > > different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example. > > > > > > > > > > I think we have two options: > > > > > > > > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the > > > > > stack > > > > > > > > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a > > > > > binding SID which > > > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each > replicated flow. > > > > > > > > > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive > > > > > and IMHO > > > will result in operational difficulties. > > > > > > > > > > Thx a lot, > > > > > R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > spring mailing list > > > > > spring@ietf.org > > > > > https://clicktime..symantec.com/3U9X5zkPbKst7T8373JWnS6H2?u=3Dhtt= ps > > > > > > %3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fspring > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > spring mailing list > > > > spring@ietf.org > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3U9X5zkPbKst7T8373JWnS6H2?u=3Dhttps%= 3 > > > > A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fspring > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > spring mailing list > > > spring@ietf.org > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3U9X5zkPbKst7T8373JWnS6H2?u=3Dhttps%3A= % > > > 2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fspring > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, > > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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All,
We have posted revision = 04 of the draft. This addresses comments on this thread and adds an exa= mple illustrating replication segment. Diff from rev 03:=C2=A0 https://tinyurl.com/y96ueb9h
Some WG=C2=A0 members also wanted to understand how Replication= segments are stitched together to form a P2MP tree based on SR P2MP policy= in the PIM draft. We have posted revision 02 of PIM P2MP policy draft t= hat adds examples of how these things tie together. I hope that helps clari= fy the relationship. Diff from rev 01: https://tinyurl.com/yban2jp6

Please = review,
-Rishabh


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 2:16 PM Jeff= Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Thanks Rishabh!
+1 to the above comments and looking forward to the updated draft.

Cheers,
Jeff
On Jul 7, 2020, 7:35 AM -0700, Alexander = Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@rbbn.com>, wrote:
Dhruv, Bruno and all,
Regarding the statement " What is missing in the spring I-D is some ve= ry high level discussion in terms of architecture on how replication segmen= t and SR P2MP policy come together" - I cannot agree more.

My 2c,
Sasha

Office: +972-39266302
Cell: +972-549266302
Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com


-----Original Message-----
From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 1:02 PM
To: bruno.de= craene@orange.com
Cc: spring@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft

Hi Bruno,

Yes, thanks! I was just making sure that we have an agreement that PIM is t= he right place to define SR P2MP Policy.

What is missing in the spring I-D is some very high level discussion in ter= ms of architecture on how replication segment and SR P2MP policy come toget= her. The current I-D tries to define a replication segment as an independen= t entity that could be used on its own but it makes it difficult to visuali= ze without some high level text or an example.

Thanks!
Dhruv

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:12 PM <bruno.decraene@orange.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Dhruv,
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv
> > Dhody
> > Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft
> >
> > Hi WG,
> >
> > Reading the I-D and based on the discussion on this thread I beli= eve
> > more description is required. As Joel pointed out, clarity on wha= t
> > is legal/illegal (or out of scope for now) is needed.
>
> I leave this for the authors to reply.
>
> > I have no strong opinion if that needs to be done before or after= adoption!
> >
> > I do not follow PIM closely and just realized that the SR P2MP > > Policy in the PIM I-D [1] is adopted by the PIM WG, but not yet p= osted [2].
> > I wanted to make sure that it has been decided that PIM is the ri= ght
> > place to define SR P2MP policy (discussed either in the WG and/or=
> > between chairs/AD)?
>
> draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy-00 is to be worked in the PIM WG.
> The PIM WG is waiting for the SPRING WG to adopt draft-voyer-spring-sr= -replication-segment, since the -pim- document has a dependency on the -spr= ing- document.
>
> Quoting the PIM chairs: "We have solid support to adopt this draf= t.. [...] We are waiting to hear back from the spring chairs as to the wg s= tatus of the local replication draft of which your draft is dependent.. So = please hold off on submitting the new draft-ietf-pim-sr-p2mp-policy until t= hey give us the green light."
>
> Does this answer your question?
>
> --Bruno
>
> > Thanks!
> > Dhruv
> >
> > [1]
> > https://clicktime.symantec.com/36sxrNPF= ssiaB8jE9mzzZDd6H2?u=3Dhttps%3A
> > %2F%2= Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy%2F
> > [2]
> > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3LtBxbxR= K3NkuKYc3FC7rr46H2?u=3Dhttps%3A
> > %2F%2= Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fpim%2FYyF7I02aaRtpZngf7uTn
> > o69IB90%2F
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:05 PM Rishabh Parekh <rishabhp@gmail= ..com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Jeff,
> > > Your explanation of distinct Transport SIDs and service labe= ls
> > > (which appear at BoS) applies to Point-to-Point services. Sa= me
> > > model can be applied when a Point-to-Multipoint service is > > > realized by one end-to-end replication segment; "Downst= ream
> > > Replication SID" as specified in draft is effectively t= he service
> > > label at a specific downstream node of a Replication segment= with
> > > Transport SIDs imposed on top to take replicated packet to t= hat node.
> > >
> > > However, when a Point-to-Multipoint service is over replicat= ion
> > > segments stitched together to form a P2MP tree, as described= in
> > > PIM WG draft, this model no longer holds since all service e= gress
> > > nodes would have to agree on one common service label. So P2= MP
> > > services implicitly map the P2MP transport label (Replicatio= n SID
> > > at BoS in this case) to the P2MP service. Of course, this im= plies
> > > one-to-one association between a P2MP service and a P2MP
> > > transport. There are techniques to share one P2MP transport = across
> > > different P2MP services using either upstream assigned label= or a
> > > global context from "Domain-wide Common Block"
> > > (draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label). These and oth= er
> > > gory details are described in Section 2 of PIM WG draft and = to
> > > some extent in BESS MVPN-EVPN draft.
> > >
> > > -Rishabh
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:50 PM Jeff Tantsura
> > > <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Rishabh,
> > > >
> > > > Transport SID with a service on top can=E2=80=99t be a = BoS label,
> > > > there=E2=80=99s s service
> > label below, since a service is associated with a particular node= ,
> > there would be at least a N-SID associated with the service node.=
> > > > It seems like B-SID behavior is the correct one, when R= -SID is
> > > > looked up
> > and popped, it would yield: replication (as programmed by a
> > controller, since there=E2=80=99s no state) + new label stack ass= ociated
> > with the new, post replication/branching path that is imposed on = top
> > of existing label stack, so service label ( + optionally more tra= nsport labels) are preserved.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Jeff
> > > > On Jul 1, 2020, 12:40 PM -0700, Rishabh Parekh
> > > > <rishabhp@gmail.com>,
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Robert,
> > > >
> > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last o= ne on the
> > > > stack
> > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provid= e a
> > > > binding SID which
> > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each re= plicated flow.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We would be fine with A), but we don't want to excl= ude
> > > > possibility of something like what you describe in B. > > > >
> > > > -Rishabh
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert Raszuk
> > > > <robert@raszuk.net>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Rishabh,
> > > >
> > > > Of course, care must be
> > > > taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describ= e it.. G-SID-2 has
> > > > to map to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anyc= ast-SID
> > > > that takes packet to distinct nodes from each of the do= wnstream
> > > > node, or the downstream nodes can be border nodes conne= cting to
> > > > other segment routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to= distinct
> > > > nodes in each domain.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think you are stretching it too thin.
> > > >
> > > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assura= nce that
> > > > physical
> > nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse.
> > > >
> > > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical globa= l SID now
> > > > to be a
> > different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic examp= le.
> > > >
> > > > I think we have two options:
> > > >
> > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last o= ne on the
> > > > stack
> > > >
> > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provid= e a
> > > > binding SID which
> > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each re= plicated flow.
> > > >
> > > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very counter= intuitive
> > > > and IMHO
> > will result in operational difficulties.
> > > >
> > > > Thx a lot,
> > > > R.
> > > >
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Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ endi= ng Monday 27th July 2020.

 

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Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Mon= day 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I support the WG adoption of this important Yang model for SR Policy. It is= one of the WG milestones and therefore something that the WG has already r= esolved to work upon. The proposal in the draft itself is well advanced and= provides a very good version for the WG to accomplish this work item. Thanks, Ketan From: spring On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: 13 July 2020 21:08 To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_MW3PR11MB4570B821B9FCE0C91900BF78C1610MW3PR11MB4570namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

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I support= the WG adoption of this important Yang model for SR Policy. It is one of t= he WG milestones and therefore something that the WG has already resolved t= o work upon. The proposal in the draft itself is well advanced and provides a very good version for the WG to acc= omplish this work item.

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Thanks,

Ketan

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From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: 13 July 2020 21:08
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-y= ang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ = ending Monday 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I support the adoption of this document by the WG. The Yang model for SRv6 = is something that the WG needs to work on as a deliverable alongside all th= e ongoing SRv6 work. The proposal in the draft aligns with the draft-ietf-s= pring-srv6-network-programming and thus provides a good base for the WG. Thanks, Ketan From: spring On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: 14 July 2020 03:22 To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_MW3PR11MB45705FDBDF5C42A2B69537CEC1610MW3PR11MB4570namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

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I support= the adoption of this document by the WG. The Yang model for SRv6 is someth= ing that the WG needs to work on as a deliverable alongside all the ongoing= SRv6 work. The proposal in the draft aligns with the draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming and thus provid= es a good base for the WG.

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Thanks,

Ketan

&nbs= p;

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: 14 July 2020 03:22
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Mon= day 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

 

 

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Ip=[3.132.208.199]; Helo=[obc.inkyphishfence.com] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: TreatMessagesAsInternal-SN1NAM01FT036.eop-nam01.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN8PR14MB3105 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 06:18:27 -0000 --_000_BYAPR14MB23266C7F30B1B1ACA72A2814FA610BYAPR14MB2326namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is an important draft to define the SR Policy Yang definition. Support= the WG adoption. Thanks, Kausik From: spring On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 8:38 AM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracke= r.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 20= 20. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopt External (james.n.guichard@futurewei.com) Report This Email FAQ= Protection by INKY Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! 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This=20is=20an=20important=20draft=20to=20define= =20the=20SR=20Policy=20Yang=20definition.=20Support=20the=20WG=20adoption.<= o:p>

 

Thanks,

Kausik

 

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Sent:=20Monday,=20July=2013,=202020=208:38=20AM
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Cc:=20spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject:=20[spring]=20WG=20Adoption=20Call=20for=20draft-raza-spring= -sr-policy-yang

 

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Dear=20WG:=20

 

This=20email=20begins=20a=202=20week=20WG=20adopti= on=20call=20for=20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/=20en= ding=20Monday=2027th=20July=202020.

 

Please=20speak=20up=20if=20you=20support=20or=20op= pose=20adopting=20this=20document=20into=20the=20WG.=20Please=20also=20prov= ide=20comments/reasons=20for=20that=20support=20(or=20lack=20thereof).=20Si= lence=20will=20not=20be=20considered=20consent.

 

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quoted-printable I support the adoption of this draft. It aligns with the SR Policy Architec= ture and is a crucial component for config driven SR Policy. Thanks, Mike. From: spring On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 5:52 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_DM6PR11MB38026FD5A73923B88CC6336ED3610DM6PR11MB3802namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support the adoption of this draft. It aligns with= the SR Policy Architecture and is a crucial component for config driven SR= Policy.

 

Thanks,

Mike.

 

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 5:52 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Mon= day 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support the adoption of this draft. It aligns with the SR Policy Architec= ture and is a crucial component for config driven SR Policy. Thanks, Mike. From: spring On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:38 AM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_DM6PR11MB380265A762B17BC19279A64AD3610DM6PR11MB3802namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support the adoption of this draft. It aligns with= the SR Policy Architecture and is a crucial component for config driven SR= Policy.

 

Thanks,

Mike.

 

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:38 AM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-y= ang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ endi= ng Monday 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting th= is document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that supp= ort (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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This is an important draft = for the SRv6 service Yang draft to move forward. Regards, Kausik From: spring On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 2:52 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracke= r.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. P= lease speak up if you support or oppose adopting t External (james.n.guichard@futurewei.com) Report This Email FAQ= Protection by INKY Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! 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--_000_BYAPR14MB23265A2F2DEE4397745F9622FA610BYAPR14MB2326namp_-- From nobody Tue Jul 14 13:25:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9B13A0C3F for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:25:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, PDS_BTC_ID=0.5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yxrnN6F48RRy for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x32b.google.com (mail-wm1-x32b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 288963A0BF3 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32b.google.com with SMTP id c80so400302wme.0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:25:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WXGoWggpRHBRsPl3uF9kRs6fTbxGMOXCF0DnAzemlaQ=; b=qcUbKqAWj5tKhJx7EZAfs7k227KKa8l+dNxTDK25voIqWeFGAQpF3TYyWNeSSUkEWx paMnsL50Ag4eGcn6YPBx7SOxyzyrB2idF7CZVUPbVWHVTMd5o+H080+rzg8peUgNf0Ku 1nKFypg5aLQUlc4DL1ow1JOAjT9gvOcMd4tPu3D+jXtjFeb2a6g4ImT0f8iQNiEh9Ms7 52uOFCgy7SgBHrqKxLRtIFG7LfJM2IihtZujDN/lSlkcFQ+A93ZxXFDbRRF1Losqpg4l OmNUzHgu+TpooL+v0fdCNoCY4pysE/BpKiYxol6otb8FYVlf6uXhrD7lZHnn3k8h/uK5 Jxpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WXGoWggpRHBRsPl3uF9kRs6fTbxGMOXCF0DnAzemlaQ=; b=aiAkkURpEWTMtEC3BfPWS/F2UC/BJbrjsPR/zcH0G0O40akeZl3yPLEw1W1Wx7NJCG ViYurWf4aP68Or45i8y7a5mHnS8ZhdCGgrg5/9eWeGDdpGbxmQ91MbIW1rILugQaL/05 BYWoXruEeV3XZENs3ZPM5QcjTNT2ZiWCNCaj4lt0yaNLBkpo65aktQMk8q8tTOZ9x+VB V/HDSCTD+aqUqVvrgZZhY8h088Ftf767rXKjtRGULwLnYUBt73w+aRIjJMrGtC5irRUW LbKGK3J7YDIdDTPmi2MHO/MA5gn9msdl1F/nFUn2TIES0vq3vgTBkn0m6sr9DKx5SOMy LCUg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532ZIC58GUT/io9AUzXEoPFhaD9vuLKlVCTDSAl4JeaZgOTd322T kFW0Vk0i5FIR52nVIjEIqqTKStjOHVFbZBnLQ4s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxqRYXeCCd6IZnF4K7jmxENxYbN0+PvMHQGYvI+DEUN+gqtEQrhmoILB02kY2bzAOdSOehNOt0BsKiuXy2DOfk= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c952:: with SMTP id i18mr5788140wml.65.1594758313533; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:25:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <94415742-fc4e-1774-bf96-01eac3672bfb@joelhalpern.com> <32104_1594114929_5F044371_32104_68_5_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48EC8CCE@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <3d5c2f1b-d033-41ca-a59d-6c74addcc08c@Spark> In-Reply-To: From: Rishabh Parekh Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:25:01 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Xiejingrong (Jingrong)" Cc: Jeff Tantsura , Dhruv Dhody , "bruno.decraene@orange.com" , "spring@ietf.org" , Alexander Vainshtein Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c7e40505aa6c9a83" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 20:25:20 -0000 --000000000000c7e40505aa6c9a83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jingrong, As I had explained to Jeff Tantsura earlier in the thread, with P2MP services realized by P2MP trees, VPN label is NOT part of the label stack since egress (leaf nodes of P2MP trees) of the P2MP service MAY have different VPN labels for same context. For P2MP services, it is normal to use the top transport label (Replication SID in this case) as implicit context for the service. Of course, this implies one-to-one association between P2MP transport and service. There are techniques, using upstream label allocation or DCB (domain wide context blocks), where the same VPN label can be assigned to the service on all the egress nodes. In this case, the P2MP transports can be shared across P2MP services (at a set of egress nodes) and the VPN label can appear after the Replication SID as we have indicated in the PIM WG draft. But, the VPN label is not a SID and, IMO, the statement "Replication SID must be last SID...." still holds but it is not at the bottom of the stack. We can clarify this when we publish the WG document. -Rishabh On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 4:55 AM Xiejingrong (Jingrong) < xiejingrong@huawei.com> wrote: > Hi > > > > The rev-04 says =E2=80=9CThe Replication SID MUST be the last SID (at the= bottom > of stack for SR-MPLS) in a packet that is steered out from a Replication > node of a Replication Segment.=E2=80=9D. > > > > I feel a little hard to understand =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 > > > > My question is: Can an =E2=80=9CMPLS packet=E2=80=9D be carried over the = P2MP policy ? say > a packet like this: { Replication SID, (VPN Label, IPv4/IPv6 C-multicast > packet) } ? > > > > In my understanding, with an imagined topology comprising of Replication > Node R1/R2/R3/R4, the picture is like this: > > > > The Replication Node R2 receives such a packet (from R1), sees the > Replication SID on the =E2=80=9CTop=E2=80=9D of the label stack, per= forms the > corresponding action of =E2=80=9Creplication=E2=80=9D, replicates the pa= cket to downstream > Replication Nodes R3 and R4, SWAPs the Replication SID to Replication > SID and Replication SID respectively. > > > > The Replication Node R3 receives the packet { Replication SID, (VPN > Label, IPv4/IPv6 C-multicast packet) }. > > > > The Replication Node R4 receives the packet { Replication SID, (VPN > Label, IPv4/IPv6 C-multicast packet) }. > > > > Thanks > > Jingrong > > > > *From:* spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Rishabh > Parekh > *Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:46 AM > *To:* Jeff Tantsura > *Cc:* Dhruv Dhody ; bruno.decraene@orange.com; > spring@ietf.org; Alexander Vainshtein > *Subject:* Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft > > > > All, > > We have posted revision 04 > > of the draft. This addresses comments on this thread and adds an example > illustrating replication segment. Diff from rev 03: > https://tinyurl.com/y96ueb9h > > > > Some WG members also wanted to understand how Replication segments are > stitched together to form a P2MP tree based on SR P2MP policy in the PIM > draft. We have posted revision 02 > of PIM > P2MP policy draft that adds examples of how these things tie together. I > hope that helps clarify the relationship. Diff from rev 01: > https://tinyurl.com/yban2jp6 > > > > Please review, > > -Rishabh > > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 2:16 PM Jeff Tantsura > wrote: > > Thanks Rishabh! > +1 to the above comments and looking forward to the updated draft. > > > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > On Jul 7, 2020, 7:35 AM -0700, Alexander Vainshtein < > Alexander.Vainshtein@rbbn.com>, wrote: > > Dhruv, Bruno and all, > Regarding the statement " What is missing in the spring I-D is some very > high level discussion in terms of architecture on how replication segment > and SR P2MP policy come together" - I cannot agree more. > > My 2c, > Sasha > > Office: +972-39266302 > Cell: +972-549266302 > Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: spring On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 1:02 PM > To: bruno.decraene@orange.com > Cc: spring@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft > > Hi Bruno, > > Yes, thanks! I was just making sure that we have an agreement that PIM is > the right place to define SR P2MP Policy. > > What is missing in the spring I-D is some very high level discussion in > terms of architecture on how replication segment and SR P2MP policy come > together. The current I-D tries to define a replication segment as an > independent entity that could be used on its own but it makes it difficul= t > to visualize without some high level text or an example. > > Thanks! > Dhruv > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:12 PM wrote: > > > > Hi Dhruv, > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv > > > Dhody > > > Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft > > > > > > Hi WG, > > > > > > Reading the I-D and based on the discussion on this thread I believe > > > more description is required. As Joel pointed out, clarity on what > > > is legal/illegal (or out of scope for now) is needed. > > > > I leave this for the authors to reply. > > > > > I have no strong opinion if that needs to be done before or after > adoption! > > > > > > I do not follow PIM closely and just realized that the SR P2MP > > > Policy in the PIM I-D [1] is adopted by the PIM WG, but not yet poste= d > [2]. > > > I wanted to make sure that it has been decided that PIM is the right > > > place to define SR P2MP policy (discussed either in the WG and/or > > > between chairs/AD)? > > > > draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy-00 is to be worked in the PIM WG. > > The PIM WG is waiting for the SPRING WG to adopt > draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment, since the -pim- document has a > dependency on the -spring- document. > > > > Quoting the PIM chairs: "We have solid support to adopt this draft.. > [...] We are waiting to hear back from the spring chairs as to the wg > status of the local replication draft of which your draft is dependent.. = So > please hold off on submitting the new draft-ietf-pim-sr-p2mp-policy until > they give us the green light." > > > > Does this answer your question? > > > > --Bruno > > > > > Thanks! > > > Dhruv > > > > > > [1] > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/36sxrNPFssiaB8jE9mzzZDd6H2?u=3Dhttps%3= A > > > %2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy%2F > > > [2] > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3LtBxbxRK3NkuKYc3FC7rr46H2?u=3Dhttps%3= A > > > %2F%2Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fpim%2FYyF7I02aaRtpZngf7uTn > > > o69IB90%2F > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:05 PM Rishabh Parekh > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Jeff, > > > > Your explanation of distinct Transport SIDs and service labels > > > > (which appear at BoS) applies to Point-to-Point services. Same > > > > model can be applied when a Point-to-Multipoint service is > > > > realized by one end-to-end replication segment; "Downstream > > > > Replication SID" as specified in draft is effectively the service > > > > label at a specific downstream node of a Replication segment with > > > > Transport SIDs imposed on top to take replicated packet to that nod= e. > > > > > > > > However, when a Point-to-Multipoint service is over replication > > > > segments stitched together to form a P2MP tree, as described in > > > > PIM WG draft, this model no longer holds since all service egress > > > > nodes would have to agree on one common service label. So P2MP > > > > services implicitly map the P2MP transport label (Replication SID > > > > at BoS in this case) to the P2MP service. Of course, this implies > > > > one-to-one association between a P2MP service and a P2MP > > > > transport. There are techniques to share one P2MP transport across > > > > different P2MP services using either upstream assigned label or a > > > > global context from "Domain-wide Common Block" > > > > (draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label). These and other > > > > gory details are described in Section 2 of PIM WG draft and to > > > > some extent in BESS MVPN-EVPN draft. > > > > > > > > -Rishabh > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:50 PM Jeff Tantsura > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rishabh, > > > > > > > > > > Transport SID with a service on top can=E2=80=99t be a BoS label, > > > > > there=E2=80=99s s service > > > label below, since a service is associated with a particular node, > > > there would be at least a N-SID associated with the service node. > > > > > It seems like B-SID behavior is the correct one, when R-SID is > > > > > looked up > > > and popped, it would yield: replication (as programmed by a > > > controller, since there=E2=80=99s no state) + new label stack associa= ted > > > with the new, post replication/branching path that is imposed on top > > > of existing label stack, so service label ( + optionally more > transport labels) are preserved. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Jeff > > > > > On Jul 1, 2020, 12:40 PM -0700, Rishabh Parekh > > > > > , > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Robert, > > > > > > > > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the > > > > > stack > > > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a > > > > > binding SID which > > > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each > replicated flow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We would be fine with A), but we don't want to exclude > > > > > possibility of something like what you describe in B. > > > > > > > > > > -Rishabh > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert Raszuk > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rishabh, > > > > > > > > > > Of course, care must be > > > > > taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describe it.. G-SID-2 has > > > > > to map to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anycast-SID > > > > > that takes packet to distinct nodes from each of the downstream > > > > > node, or the downstream nodes can be border nodes connecting to > > > > > other segment routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to distinct > > > > > nodes in each domain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are stretching it too thin. > > > > > > > > > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assurance that > > > > > physical > > > nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse. > > > > > > > > > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical global SID now > > > > > to be a > > > different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic example. > > > > > > > > > > I think we have two options: > > > > > > > > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last one on the > > > > > stack > > > > > > > > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provide a > > > > > binding SID which > > > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each > replicated flow. > > > > > > > > > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very counterintuitive > > > > > and IMHO > > > will result in operational difficulties. > > > > > > > > > > Thx a lot, > > > > > R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > spring mailing list > > > > > spring@ietf.org > > > > > https://clicktime..symantec.com/3U9X5zkPbKst7T8373JWnS6H2?u=3Dhtt= ps > > > > > > %3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fspring > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > spring mailing list > > > > spring@ietf.org > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3U9X5zkPbKst7T8373JWnS6H2?u=3Dhttps%= 3 > > > > A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fspring > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > spring mailing list > > > spring@ietf.org > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3U9X5zkPbKst7T8373JWnS6H2?u=3Dhttps%3A= % > > > > 2F%2Fwww.ietf..org > %2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fspring > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, > > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Jingrong,
As I had explained to Jeff Tantsu= ra earlier in the thread, with P2MP services realized by P2MP trees, VPN la= bel is NOT part of the label stack since egress (leaf nodes of P2MP trees) = of the P2MP service MAY have different VPN labels for same context. For P2M= P services, it is normal to use the top transport label (Replication SID in= this case) as implicit context for the service. Of course, this implies on= e-to-one association between P2MP transport and service.

There are techniques, using upstream label allocation or DCB (domain= wide context blocks), where the same VPN label can be assigned to the serv= ice on all the egress nodes. In this case, the P2MP transports can be share= d across P2MP services (at a set of egress nodes) and the VPN label can app= ear after the Replication SID as we have indicated in the PIM WG draft. But= , the VPN label is not a SID and, IMO, the statement "Replication SID = must be last SID...." still holds but it is not at the bottom of the s= tack. We can clarify this when we publish the WG document.

-Rishabh

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 4:55 AM Xiejingrong (Jingrong) <xiejingrong@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi

=C2=A0

The rev-04 says= =E2=80=9CThe Replication SID MUST be the last SID (at the bottom of stack = for SR-MPLS) in a packet that is steered out from a Replication node of a Replication Segment.=E2=80=9D.

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I feel a little= hard to understand =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6

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My question is:= Can an =E2=80=9CMPLS packet=E2=80=9D be carried over the P2MP policy ? say= a packet like this: { Replication SID, (VPN Label, IPv4/IPv6 C-multicast packet) } ?

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In my understan= ding, with an imagined topology comprising of Replication Node R1/R2/R3/R4,= the picture is like this:

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The Replication= Node R2 receives such a packet (from R1), sees the Replication SID<R2&g= t; on the =E2=80=9CTop=E2=80=9D of the label stack, =C2=A0performs the corr= esponding action of =E2=80=9Creplication=E2=80=9D, =C2=A0replicates the packet to do= wnstream Replication Nodes R3 and R4, SWAPs the Replication SID<R2> t= o Replication SID<R3> and Replication SID<R4> respectively.<= /u>

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The Replication= Node R3 receives the packet { Replication SID<R3>, (VPN Label, IPv4/= IPv6 C-multicast packet) }.

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The Replication= Node R4 receives the packet { Replication SID<R4>, (VPN Label, IPv4/= IPv6 C-multicast packet) }.

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Thanks

Jingrong=

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From: spri= ng [mailto:spr= ing-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rishabh Parekh
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:46 AM
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>; bruno.decraene@orange.com; spring@ietf.org; Alexander Vains= htein <Alexander.Vainshtein@rbbn.com>
Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft<= /u>

=C2=A0

All,

We have posted revision 04 of the draft. This addresses comments on this thread and ad= ds an example illustrating replication segment. Diff from rev 03:=C2=A0 https://tinyurl.= com/y96ueb9h

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Some WG=C2=A0 members also want= ed to understand how Replication segments are stitched together to form a P= 2MP tree based on SR P2MP policy in the PIM draft. We have posted revision 02 of PIM P2MP policy draft that adds example= s of how these things tie together. I hope that helps clarify the relations= hip. Diff from rev 01: https://tinyurl.= com/yban2jp6

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Please review,

-Rishabh

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On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 2:16 PM = Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Rishabh!
+1 to the above comments and looking forward to the updated draft.

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Cheers,

Jeff

On Jul 7, 2020, 7:35 AM -0700, = Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@rbbn.com>, wrote:

Dh= ruv, Bruno and all,
Regarding the statement " What is missing in the spring I-D is some ve= ry high level discussion in terms of architecture on how replication segmen= t and SR P2MP policy come together" - I cannot agree more.

My 2c,
Sasha

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-----Original Message-----
From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 1:02 PM
To: bruno.de= craene@orange.com
Cc: spring@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft

Hi Bruno,

Yes, thanks! I was just making sure that we have an agreement that PIM is t= he right place to define SR P2MP Policy.

What is missing in the spring I-D is some very high level discussion in ter= ms of architecture on how replication segment and SR P2MP policy come toget= her. The current I-D tries to define a replication segment as an independen= t entity that could be used on its own but it makes it difficult to visualize without some high level text or= an example.

Thanks!
Dhruv

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:12 PM <bruno.decraene@orange.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Dhruv,
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv
> > Dhody
> > Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft
> >
> > Hi WG,
> >
> > Reading the I-D and based on the discussion on this thread I beli= eve
> > more description is required. As Joel pointed out, clarity on wha= t
> > is legal/illegal (or out of scope for now) is needed.
>
> I leave this for the authors to reply.
>
> > I have no strong opinion if that needs to be done before or after= adoption!
> >
> > I do not follow PIM closely and just realized that the SR P2MP > > Policy in the PIM I-D [1] is adopted by the PIM WG, but not yet p= osted [2].
> > I wanted to make sure that it has been decided that PIM is the ri= ght
> > place to define SR P2MP policy (discussed either in the WG and/or=
> > between chairs/AD)?
>
> draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy-00 is to be worked in the PIM WG.
> The PIM WG is waiting for the SPRING WG to adopt draft-voyer-spring-sr= -replication-segment, since the -pim- document has a dependency on the -spr= ing- document.
>
> Quoting the PIM chairs: "We have solid support to adopt this draf= t.. [...] We are waiting to hear back from the spring chairs as to the wg s= tatus of the local replication draft of which your draft is dependent.. So = please hold off on submitting the new draft-ietf-pim-sr-p2mp-policy until they give us the green light."
>
> Does this answer your question?
>
> --Bruno
>
> > Thanks!
> > Dhruv
> >
> > [1]
> > https://clicktime.symantec.com/36sxrNPFssiaB8jE9mzzZDd6H2?u=3Dhttps%3A<= br> > > %2F%2= Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy%2F
> > [2]
> > https://clicktime.symantec.com/3LtBxbxRK3NkuKYc3FC7rr46H2?u=3Dhttps%3A<= br> > > %2F%2= Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fpim%2FYyF7I02aaRtpZngf7uTn
> > o69IB90%2F
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:05 PM Rishabh Parekh <rishabhp@gmail...com> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Jeff,
> > > Your explanation of distinct Transport SIDs and service labe= ls
> > > (which appear at BoS) applies to Point-to-Point services. Sa= me
> > > model can be applied when a Point-to-Multipoint service is > > > realized by one end-to-end replication segment; "Downst= ream
> > > Replication SID" as specified in draft is effectively t= he service
> > > label at a specific downstream node of a Replication segment= with
> > > Transport SIDs imposed on top to take replicated packet to t= hat node.
> > >
> > > However, when a Point-to-Multipoint service is over replicat= ion
> > > segments stitched together to form a P2MP tree, as described= in
> > > PIM WG draft, this model no longer holds since all service e= gress
> > > nodes would have to agree on one common service label. So P2= MP
> > > services implicitly map the P2MP transport label (Replicatio= n SID
> > > at BoS in this case) to the P2MP service. Of course, this im= plies
> > > one-to-one association between a P2MP service and a P2MP
> > > transport. There are techniques to share one P2MP transport = across
> > > different P2MP services using either upstream assigned label= or a
> > > global context from "Domain-wide Common Block"
> > > (draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label). These and oth= er
> > > gory details are described in Section 2 of PIM WG draft and = to
> > > some extent in BESS MVPN-EVPN draft.
> > >
> > > -Rishabh
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:50 PM Jeff Tantsura
> > > <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Rishabh,
> > > >
> > > > Transport SID with a service on top can=E2=80=99t be a = BoS label,
> > > > there=E2=80=99s s service
> > label below, since a service is associated with a particular node= ,
> > there would be at least a N-SID associated with the service node.=
> > > > It seems like B-SID behavior is the correct one, when R= -SID is
> > > > looked up
> > and popped, it would yield: replication (as programmed by a
> > controller, since there=E2=80=99s no state) + new label stack ass= ociated
> > with the new, post replication/branching path that is imposed on = top
> > of existing label stack, so service label ( + optionally more tra= nsport labels) are preserved.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Jeff
> > > > On Jul 1, 2020, 12:40 PM -0700, Rishabh Parekh
> > > > <rishabhp@gmail.com>,
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Robert,
> > > >
> > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last o= ne on the
> > > > stack
> > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provid= e a
> > > > binding SID which
> > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each re= plicated flow.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We would be fine with A), but we don't want to excl= ude
> > > > possibility of something like what you describe in B. > > > >
> > > > -Rishabh
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Robert Raszuk
> > > > <robert@raszuk.net>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Rishabh,
> > > >
> > > > Of course, care must be
> > > > taken to avoid the "explosion" as you describ= e it.. G-SID-2 has
> > > > to map to a unique node; for example, it may be an Anyc= ast-SID
> > > > that takes packet to distinct nodes from each of the do= wnstream
> > > > node, or the downstream nodes can be border nodes conne= cting to
> > > > other segment routing domains where G-SID-2 resolves to= distinct
> > > > nodes in each domain.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think you are stretching it too thin.
> > > >
> > > > See even if G-SID-2 is anycast SID you have zero assura= nce that
> > > > physical
> > nodes packets will land on would be at all diverse.
> > > >
> > > > Likewise crossing domains yet providing identical globa= l SID now
> > > > to be a
> > different node in each such domain to me is not a realistic examp= le.
> > > >
> > > > I think we have two options:
> > > >
> > > > A) Firmly state that replication SID MUST be the last o= ne on the
> > > > stack
> > > >
> > > > B) Instead of real SID after the replication SID provid= e a
> > > > binding SID which
> > locally will be mapped to a different SID list imposed to each re= plicated flow.
> > > >
> > > > What is currently in the draft seems to be very counter= intuitive
> > > > and IMHO
> > will result in operational difficulties.
> > > >
> > > > Thx a lot,
> > > > R.
> > > >
> > > >
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--000000000000c7e40505aa6c9a83-- From nobody Tue Jul 14 19:06:40 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129EF3A0CA9; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:06:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E_3lrrZUsGHy; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C57D3A0CA6; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml724-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 0EFC28A1DE6DBE0014CB; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 03:06:35 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml724-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.75) by lhreml724-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.75) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 03:06:34 +0100 Received: from DGGEML423-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.40) by lhreml724-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.75) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 03:06:34 +0100 Received: from DGGEML529-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.6.133]) by dggeml423-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.40]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:06:30 +0800 From: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang Thread-Index: AdZZX0QDXPWnj1oGQQKGYsZR37MSlgA7Nl+A Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 02:06:29 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.203.229] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02AECDA2dggeml529mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 02:06:39 -0000 --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02AECDA2dggeml529mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi SPRING, Yes I support the document. YANG model is an important work for SRv6, and the YANG model has reached th= e consensus among vendors and operators, so I support the adoption. Respect, C.L From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 5:52 AM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02AECDA2dggeml529mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi SPRING,<= /span>

 

Yes I support the docu= ment.

YANG model is an impor= tant work for SRv6, and the YANG model has reached the consensus among vend= ors and operators, so I support the adoption.

 

Respect,

C.L<= /p>

 

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org]= On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 5:52 AM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Mon= day 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

 

 

--_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02AECDA2dggeml529mbxchi_-- From nobody Tue Jul 14 19:24:57 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D743A0D08; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fMvxd_6__UEM; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A818E3A0D06; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml713-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id F26F54BCC71B68B198E3; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 03:24:39 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml713-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.64) by lhreml713-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.64) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 03:24:39 +0100 Received: from DGGEMM422-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.198.39) by lhreml713-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.64) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 03:24:39 +0100 Received: from DGGEMM529-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.14.212]) by dggemm422-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.198.39]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:24:32 +0800 From: Huzhibo To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang Thread-Index: AdZZX0QDXPWnj1oGQQKGYsZR37MSlgA7hi1g Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 02:24:32 +0000 Message-ID: <06CF729DA0D6854E8C1E5121AC3330DFAF6E047A@dggemm529-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.202.126] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_06CF729DA0D6854E8C1E5121AC3330DFAF6E047Adggemm529mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 02:24:49 -0000 --_000_06CF729DA0D6854E8C1E5121AC3330DFAF6E047Adggemm529mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi spring: Support as a co-author. I think it's ready to move forward. Thanks Zhibo From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 5:52 AM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_06CF729DA0D6854E8C1E5121AC3330DFAF6E047Adggemm529mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi spring:

 

      Support as a co-author. I think it= 's ready to move forward.

 

Thanks

Zhibo

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 5:52 AM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ e= nding Monday 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi All,

 

I support the WG adoption of the draft. SR Policy is an important featur= e and there are multiple implementations. The adoption of the YANG models w= ill be helpful for the interworking.

 

 

Best Regards,

Zhenbin (Robin)

 

 

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: 13 July 2020 21:08
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-y= ang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ endi= ng Monday 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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Thanks Zhibo From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:38 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_06CF729DA0D6854E8C1E5121AC3330DFAF6E0EACdggemm529mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

support the adoption.

 

Thanks

Zhibo

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:38 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-y= ang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ = ending Monday 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

--_000_06CF729DA0D6854E8C1E5121AC3330DFAF6E0EACdggemm529mbschi_-- From nobody Wed Jul 15 00:13:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA133A0817; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 00:13:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OJMXYa2DiH2t; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 00:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D5863A0814; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 00:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml725-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 12CDB3F280BDF85490D3; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:13:13 +0100 (IST) Received: from dggeme751-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.97) by lhreml725-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.76) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:13:12 +0100 Received: from dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.100) by dggeme751-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:13:09 +0800 Received: from dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.77]) by dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.77]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:13:09 +0800 From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang Thread-Index: AdZZKaSGxpyazIbbQ8apsNd5+9RdDgBTZMew Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 07:13:09 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.120.254] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_bfe88ba9a17b4d32b5fbdf95f05153d7huaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 07:13:16 -0000 --_000_bfe88ba9a17b4d32b5fbdf95f05153d7huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, I support the adoption of this draft. Best regards, Jie From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:38 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_bfe88ba9a17b4d32b5fbdf95f05153d7huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi WG,

 

I support the adoption of this draft.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:38 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-y= ang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ = ending Monday 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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Hi WG,

 

I support the adoption of this document.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

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Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Mon= day 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I support the WG adoption of this important Yang model as a co-author. I b= elieve it's in a good shape and ready to move forward. Thanks, Shunwan From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:38 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_0212826d8cb847568efc0d47c5208d23huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

 

I support the WG adoption of this important Yang model as a co-author.  I believe it's in a good = shape and ready to move forward.

 

Thanks,

Shunwan

 

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:38 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-y= ang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ = ending Monday 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

--_000_0212826d8cb847568efc0d47c5208d23huaweicom_-- From nobody Wed Jul 15 05:13:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3FE3A0CB4; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 05:13:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ccq-fjQlm7Z2; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 05:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52ED63A0CB3; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 05:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml727-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id C24223A2FE8F6A0EC6C0; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:13:49 +0100 (IST) Received: from nkgeml707-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.157) by lhreml727-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.78) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:13:48 +0100 Received: from nkgeml708-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.160) by nkgeml707-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.157) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 20:13:46 +0800 Received: from nkgeml708-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.160]) by nkgeml708-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.160]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 20:13:46 +0800 From: Zhuangshunwan To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang Thread-Index: AdZZX0QDXPWnj1oGQQKGYsZR37MSlgBQfI4g Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 12:13:46 +0000 Message-ID: <88cf5b8e38584789b8a7a3f41d531a7b@huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.202.109] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_88cf5b8e38584789b8a7a3f41d531a7bhuaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 12:13:54 -0000 --_000_88cf5b8e38584789b8a7a3f41d531a7bhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I support the WG adoption of this important Base Yang model. Thanks, Shunwan From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 5:52 AM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_88cf5b8e38584789b8a7a3f41d531a7bhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Hi All,

 

I support the WG adoption of this important Base Yang model.

 

Thanks,

Shunwan

 

 

 

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 5:52 AM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Mon= day 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

 

 

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This document proposes a reason= able enhancement to SR, which makes SR a suitable technology for wider rang= e of services and network scenarios.

I support the WG adoption of th= is useful document.

 

 

Thanks,

Shunwan

 

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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Hi All,

I support the adoption of the draft. There has been multiple implementat= ions of SRv6. The YANG model will facilitate the interworking for the = configuration. 

 

 

Best Regards,

Zhenbin (Robin)

 

 

 

 

 

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: spring [spring-bounces= @ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED James Guichard [james.n.guichard@futurewei.com]
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=D6=F7=CC=E2: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-y= ang

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Mo= nday 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

 

--_000_5A5B4DE12C0DAC44AF501CD9A2B01A8D937DCCBDDGGEMM532MBXchi_-- From nobody Wed Jul 15 06:27:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF203A0873; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:27:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JrsKIgh7fVKs; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A26663A0872; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml734-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 18D6FB8AF328076C2C74; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 14:27:49 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml734-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.85) by lhreml734-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.85) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 14:27:48 +0100 Received: from DGGEMM424-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.198.41) by lhreml734-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.85) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 14:27:48 +0100 Received: from DGGEMM529-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.14.212]) by dggemm424-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.198.41]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 21:27:44 +0800 From: Huzhibo To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn Thread-Index: AdZalG5COYT8S7GISwGDbTxQ2h/PJgAFfybg Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:27:44 +0000 Message-ID: <06CF729DA0D6854E8C1E5121AC3330DFAF6E1E18@dggemm529-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.202.126] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_06CF729DA0D6854E8C1E5121AC3330DFAF6E1E18dggemm529mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:27:52 -0000 --_000_06CF729DA0D6854E8C1E5121AC3330DFAF6E1E18dggemm529mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, I support the WG adoption. It is a useful enhancement to SR and can provide= s better network SLA assurance capabilities. Thanks, Zhibo From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vp= n Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 202= 0. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_06CF729DA0D6854E8C1E5121AC3330DFAF6E1E18dggemm529mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi WG,

 

I support the WG adoption. It i= s a useful enhancement to SR and can provides better network SLA assurance = capabilities.

 

 

Thanks,

Zhibo

 

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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AS a coauthor, I support this adoption.

I believe the new kind of SID introduced in this doc, the resource-= aware SID, is a significant extension to SR to enable the VPN+ service = defined in draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn.
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Best Regards,
Zhenqiang Li
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li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com
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Dear WG:

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This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for=0A= =0A= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.=0A=

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Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the= WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof= ). Silence will not be considered consent.

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Thanks!

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Jim, Joel & Bruno

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What do you mean by the SRV6 base draft? 
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Regards,
Zhenqiang Li
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From: Jaganbabu Rajamanickam \(jrajaman\)
Date: 2020-07-15 19:36
Subject: Re: [spring] = WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang
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Hello Jim, Joel & Bruno,<= /p>=0A=

   I would strongly support WG= adoption of the SRV6 base draft, as all the other SRv6 drafts will depends= on this.

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Thanx,

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Jags

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From: sprin= g <spring-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of James Guichard <james.n.g= uichard@futurewei.com>
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Dear WG:

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This email begins a 2 week WG adoption c= all for = =0A= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ endi= ng Monday 27th July 2020.=0A=

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Please speak up if you support or oppose= adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons f= or that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.<= o:p>

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Thanks!

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Jim, Joel & Bruno

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I support the adoption since this doc is an integral memb= er of the SRv6 standard family.=0A=

Best Regards,
Zhenqiang Li
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Date: 2= 020-07-14 05:52
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Dear WG:=

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This email begins a= 2 week WG adoption call for=0A= https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27th= July 2020.=0A=

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Please speak up if = you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provi= de comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be= considered consent.

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Thanks!<= /span>

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=0A= = ------=_001_NextPart213803185882_=------ From nobody Wed Jul 15 06:44:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1DF3A08CC; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:44:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wamBiEVFSXGU; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta1.chinamobile.com (cmccmta1.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E27E3A08BD; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.11]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app02-12002 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee25f0f080f801-05a1a; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 21:43:46 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee25f0f080f801-05a1a X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmccPC (unknown[61.48.66.93]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr06-12006 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee65f0f0811add-c62a1; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 21:43:46 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee65f0f0811add-c62a1 From: "qinfengwei" To: "'James Guichard'" , Cc: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 21:43:48 +0800 Message-ID: <04fa01d65aad$f7c05f30$e7411d90$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04FB_01D65AF1.05E39F30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: zh-cn Thread-Index: AdZalG5COYT8S7GISwGDbTxQ2h/PJgAGWS/w Archived-At: Subject: [spring] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogIFdHIEFkb3B0aW9uIENhbGwgZm9yIGRyYWZ0?= =?gb2312?b?LWRvbmctc3ByaW5nLXNyLWZvci1lbmhhbmNlZC12cG4=?= X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:44:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04FB_01D65AF1.05E39F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Adding resource semantic to SR SIDs is an useful feature for operator to meet different customers service requirement in SR based network, and this document is in a good shape. Thus I support the = adoption as co-author. =20 =20 =20 =20 Thanks, Fengwei Qin =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = James Guichard =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA7=D4=C215=C8=D5 19:17 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: spring@ietf.org =B3=AD=CB=CD: spring-chairs@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: [spring] WG Adoption Call for = draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn =20 Dear WG: =20 This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.=20 =20 Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the = WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent. =20 Thanks! =20 Jim, Joel & Bruno =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_04FB_01D65AF1.05E39F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

     &n= bsp;   Adding resource semantic to SR SIDs is an useful = feature for operator to meet different customers service requirement in = SR based network, and this document is in a good shape. Thus I support = the adoption as co-author.

 

 

 

 

Thanks,

Fengwei = Qin

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: spring = [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = James = Guichard
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA7=D4=C215=C8=D5 19:17
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: = spring@ietf.org
=B3=AD=CB=CD: = spring-chairs@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [spring] WG Adoption Call = for = draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn

<= /div>

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhance= d-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. =

 

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this = document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that = support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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I support the adoption since this doc is an integral membe= r of the SR standard family.
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Best Regards,
Zhenqiang Li
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Date: 2= 020-07-13 23:37
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Ca= ll for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang
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Dear WG:

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This email begins a 2 week WG adoption c= all for = =0A= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ endi= ng Monday 27th July 2020.=0A=

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Please speak up if you support or oppose= adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons f= or that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.<= o:p>

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Thanks!

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Jim, Joel & Bruno

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[spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:03:13 -0000 --_000_78033415637f4d9787b4a5a05d6eba74huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very useful use case for Segment routing technology, and very well written = document. I do support the WG adoption of this draft. Thanks Jingrong Xie From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vp= n Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 202= 0. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_78033415637f4d9787b4a5a05d6eba74huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Very useful use case for Segment routing technology, and very wel= l written document.

I do support the WG adoption of this draft.

 

Thanks

Jingrong Xie

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

--_000_78033415637f4d9787b4a5a05d6eba74huaweicom_-- From nobody Wed Jul 15 08:06:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D8B3A0CC1; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:06:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HNH2ZjO9w1Nu; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 043D73A0C9C; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml717-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id A3A9F66BEDC2DBE4FA84; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 16:06:10 +0100 (IST) Received: from nkgeml707-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.157) by lhreml717-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.68) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 16:06:10 +0100 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.154) by nkgeml707-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.157) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 23:06:07 +0800 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) by nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 23:06:07 +0800 From: "Xiejingrong (Jingrong)" To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang Thread-Index: AdZZX0QDXPWnj1oGQQKGYsZR37MSlgBWeYLQ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:06:07 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.221.213] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_d0df7d02559948c2b0c9c27322136e7fhuaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:06:14 -0000 --_000_d0df7d02559948c2b0c9c27322136e7fhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Basic building block of SRv6 technology for inter-op between routers and NM= S. I do support the adoption. Thanks Jingrong Xie From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 5:52 AM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_d0df7d02559948c2b0c9c27322136e7fhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Basic building block of SRv6 technology for inter-op between rout= ers and NMS.

I do support the adoption.

 

Thanks

Jingrong Xie

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 5:52 AM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Mon= day 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

 

 

--_000_d0df7d02559948c2b0c9c27322136e7fhuaweicom_-- From nobody Wed Jul 15 08:07:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262413A0CC1; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:07:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GJIeVCoLG4Rt; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EABE3A0C9C; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml721-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 168E922A4A18E97FAF3B; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 16:07:25 +0100 (IST) Received: from nkgeml708-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.160) by lhreml721-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.72) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 16:07:24 +0100 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.154) by nkgeml708-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.160) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 23:07:22 +0800 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) by nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 23:07:22 +0800 From: "Xiejingrong (Jingrong)" To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang Thread-Index: AdZZKaSGxpyazIbbQ8apsNd5+9RdDgBj+izw Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:07:21 +0000 Message-ID: <02af7ceb92b64b36a959910a263edd36@huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.221.213] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_02af7ceb92b64b36a959910a263edd36huaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:07:28 -0000 --_000_02af7ceb92b64b36a959910a263edd36huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Basic building block of SR technology for inter-op between routers and NMS. I do support the adoption. Thanks Jingrong Xie From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:38 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_02af7ceb92b64b36a959910a263edd36huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Basic building block of SR technology for inter-op between router= s and NMS.

I do support the adoption.

 

Thanks

Jingrong Xie

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:38 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-y= ang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ = ending Monday 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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I support critical WG adoption of Yang mod= els for SRv6.

Gyan
=

O= n Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:06 PM Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi SPRING,

=C2=A0

Yes I support the docu= ment.

YANG model is an impor= tant work for SRv6, and the YANG model has reached the consensus among vend= ors and operators, so I support the adoption.

=C2=A0

Respect,=

C.L

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Beh= alf Of James Guichard
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 5:52 AM
To: spring@ietf= .org
Cc: spri= ng-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang

=C2=A0

Dear WG:

=C2=A0

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-ya= ng/ ending Monday 27th July 2020.

=C2=A0

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

=C2=A0

Thanks!

=C2=A0

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NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 17:11:58 -0000 --00000000000054f29405aa7e057e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support WG adoption and agree it=E2=80=99s a very useful use case of SR technology. I really like the concept that it utilizes the TEAS context of network slicing construct of virtualization of physical PE / P core infrastructure, containerization with this new enhancement VPN framework for critical 5G RAN or other service chains of critical VPN services that require more then just BAU QOS for guaranteed IP SLA delivery. Thanks Gya On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 12:31 PM Jeff Tantsura wrote: > Yes/support > > Regards, > Jeff > > On Jul 15, 2020, at 04:17, James Guichard > wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > > Dear WG: > > > > This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ > ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. > > > > Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the > WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack > thereof). Silence will not be considered consent. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jim, Joel & Bruno > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > --=20 *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD --00000000000054f29405aa7e057e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support WG adoption and agree it=E2= =80=99s a very useful use case of SR technology. =C2=A0

I really like the concept that it =C2=A0uti= lizes the TEAS context of network slicing construct of virtualization of ph= ysical PE / P core infrastructure, containerization with this new enhanceme= nt VPN framework for critical 5G RAN or other service chains of critical VP= N services that require more then just BAU QOS for guaranteed IP SLA delive= ry.

Thanks=C2=A0

Gya=C2=A0

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020= at 12:31 PM Jeff Tantsura <j= efftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes/support

Regards,
Jeff<= /div>

On Jul 15, 2020, = at 04:17, James Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com> wrote:

=
=EF=BB=BF

Dear WG:

=C2=A0

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call fo= r https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

=C2=A0

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopt= ing this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha= t support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.=

=C2=A0

Thanks!

=C2=A0

Jim, Joel & Bruno

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Dear WG:

 = ;

This email= begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ e= nding Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 = ;

Please spe= ak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please al= so provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will= not be considered consent.

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[Bruno] Agreed, in this specific case, you don't need the SID on the _packe= t_.=20 - Still the PCE/configuration CLI/YANG need a way to identify this interfac= e and it could be via a SID (e.g. both local adjacency SID and global nodes= SID (assuming PHP) seems to work, depending on needs) - It seems to me that SR Policy draft is in the same situation, and they st= ill call this an SR Policy. But that's a detail. =20 [...] =20 > > > > ------- > > > > " o When the Active Segment [RFC8402] is the Replication SID. In this > > > > case, the operation for a replicated copy is CONTINUE." > > > > > > > > "CONTINUE" would mean that the segment is not a local segment. > > > > So the document really needs to clarify whether the replication > SID/segment is a local segment, or a global segment, or something new to = be > defined.. > > > > > The CONTINUE operation just captures the label swap for each > replication, with just the Downstream Replication SID in the simplest > case. "CONTINUE: the active segment is not completed; hence, it remains active. In SR-MPLS, the CONTINUE operation is implemented as a SWAP of the top label [RFC3031]. In SRv6, this is the plain IPv6 forwarding action of a regular IPv6 packet according to its destination address." https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8402#section-2 1) SR terminology Given that I think that we agreed that the replication segment is a local s= egment (i.e. local to one node), I don't see how it could continue once use= d. As we used it on the single node which understand it, it needs to be ter= minated (NEXT). 2) Data plane 2.a) SR-MPLS I don't see a label swap. I see a pop of the BSID/replication SID and a pus= h of the list of SID in the SR-policy. As described in https://tools.ietf.= org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-08#section-8.3 "Let us assume that headend H has a valid SR Policy P of Segment-List and BSID B. When H receives a packet K with label stack , H pops B and pushes and forwards the resulting packet according to SID S1." 2.b) SRv6 Quoting RFC 8402 (above): "In SRv6, this is the plain IPv6 forwarding action of a regular IPv6 packet according to its destination address" I don't see how this can translate in a specific SR action (here "replicati= on" on the replication node. ) But since there is no SRv6 specific text in = the draft, it's hard to guess. Note that my understanding seems to match your new text/illustration in app= endix: there is no CONTINUE operation on a replication SID. Only NEXT opera= tion: " R2, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID2 label and delivers the = payload." "R6, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID1 label and delivers the p= ayload."=20 "R7, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID7 label and delivers the p= ayload." BTW, there may be two typos in the draft: "R6, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID1 label and delivers the p= ayload." :s/R-SID1/R-SID6 OLD: Replication State: R2: L12>" NEW: Replication State: R2: " =20 Thanks, Regards, --Bruno ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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BR Iftekhar From: spring on behalf of James Guichard Date: Monday, July 13, 2020 at 5:52 PM To: "spring@ietf.org" Cc: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_BYAPR10MB2997F62891C387F87BD8FABCB77E0BYAPR10MB2997namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

Yes, I support the adoption of this document by the = WG.

 

BR

Iftekhar

 

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> on beha= lf of James Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com>

Date: Monday, July 13, 2020 at 5:52 PM

To: "spring@ietf.org" <spring@ietf.org&= gt;

Cc: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" <spring-ch= airs@ietf.org>

Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-sp= ring-srv6-yang

 

Dear WG:

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for http= s://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27t= h July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting th= is document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that supp= ort (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.

Thanks!

Jim, Joel & Bruno

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The Replication SID has to be assigned when the Replication segment (with a Replication-ID) is created on the node. Note Replication Segments can be created and deleted over time. and So, there is no pre-allocated block of Replication SIDs that can be announced in IGP or BGP. Effectively, the entity managing Replication segments has to manage the Replication SIDs. > 2) About the Replication Segment illustration. > > The rev-04 add a section =E2=80=9CIllustration of a Replication Segment= =E2=80=9D in > appendix, it is very clear and useful. > > To me, the =E2=80=9CReplication State=E2=80=9D is more like a =E2=80=9Cfo= rwarding state=E2=80=9D, and I > think it will be helpful to understand the whole solution if: > > a) there is a description/Illustration about the building procedure of th= e > =E2=80=9Cforwarding state=E2=80=9D ---- What=E2=80=99s the information ea= ch Replication Node > receives from the controller, and how each node builds its own forwarding > state. > > b) there is a description/Illustration about the processing of multicast > packet on the whole path of the P2MP tree. > > Illustrations of how packets and handed on a P2MP tree built by stitching Replication segments have been added in latest revision 02 of PIM WG draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy/ We have drafts on PCEP and BGP protocol extensions to instantiate Replication segments. > > > 3) About the applicability of SR-MPLS and SRv6. > > The rev-04 says =E2=80=9CReplication segments apply equally to both SR-MP= LS and > SRv6 instantiations of Segment Routing.=E2=80=9D. > > I am not sure if this document will cover SRv6 as well, but if it does, > then I would like to see the same level of consideration as SR-MPLS. > > > Yes, we will have the same level of details for SRv6 Replication too. -Rishabh --000000000000adeba205aa810490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jingrong,

R= eplies inline.

1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 About the = distinction of Replication-ID and Replication-SID, and their usage.<= u>

If there is an = SID block specially reserved for the P2MP Transport on each of the Replicat= ion Node, and such SID block (on each Replication Node) is advertised through west-east protocol like IGP/BGP,

and then the no= rth-south controller (like PCE) can use the =E2=80=9CReplication-ID=E2=80= =9D and =E2=80=9CNode-ID=E2=80=9D only, but don=E2=80=99t need to use =E2= =80=9CReplication-SID=E2=80=9D when populating the =E2=80=9CTree=E2=80=9D information to each =E2=80=9CReplication Node= =E2=80=9D ?

In that way, th= e Controller doesn=E2=80=99t need to allocate (and manage) each of the Repl= ication-SID (Say 1000 Replication-SID)=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 each Replication Nod= e (Say 100 nodes).

<= /p>


As we try to make the disti= nction clear in the draft, Replication segment is a logical segment that ne= eds to be explicitly instantiated on the node either by PCE or by some othe= r mechanism (maybe local config?). The Replication SID has to be assigned w= hen the Replication segment (with a Replication-ID) is created on the node.= Note Replication Segments can be created and deleted over time. and So, th= ere is no pre-allocated block of Replication SIDs that can be announced in = IGP or BGP. Effectively, the entity managing Replication segments has to ma= nage the Replication SIDs.
=C2=A0
2)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 About the Replica= tion Segment illustration.

The rev-04 add = a section =E2=80=9CIllustration of a Replication Segment=E2=80=9D in append= ix, it is very clear and useful.

To me, the =E2= =80=9CReplication State=E2=80=9D is more like a =E2=80=9Cforwarding state= =E2=80=9D, and I think it will be helpful to understand the whole solution = if:

a) there is a d= escription/Illustration about the building procedure of the =E2=80=9Cforwar= ding state=E2=80=9D ---- What=E2=80=99s the information each Replication No= de receives from the controller, and how each node builds its own forwarding state.=

b) there is a d= escription/Illustration about the processing of multicast packet on the who= le path of the P2MP tree.

<= /p>


We have drafts on PCE= P and BGP protocol extensions to instantiate Replication segments.
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

3)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 About the = applicability of SR-MPLS and SRv6.

The rev-04 says= =E2=80=9CReplication segments apply equally to both SR-MPLS and SRv6 insta= ntiations of Segment Routing.=E2=80=9D.

I am not sure i= f this document will cover SRv6 as well, but if it does, then I would like = to see the same level of consideration as SR-MPLS.

=C2=A0


=C2=A0Yes, we will ha= ve the same level of details for SRv6 Replication too.

=
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Wed, 15 Jul 2020 20:53:32 +0000 From: Linda Dunbar To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn Thread-Index: AdZalG5COYT8S7GISwGDbTxQ2h/PJgAVMCfQ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 20:53:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: futurewei.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;futurewei.com; dmarc=none action=none header.from=futurewei.com; x-originating-ip: [72.180.73.64] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: db6b5998-4b83-4939-517f-08d829012291 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: SA0PR13MB4143: x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:6108; x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: f+NEBR82ECrXa6dk97XRGIGzMdeLzGcCsE0hPkscCMu3MNSaqhn/OKwYsEj+D9xMIJHGv8fiTJLeD+1u9MIRA8vFWaDbJO8IYTJMKc3Z+O2WmnSVTkab54OXRidzrzhaWEg2YwslyDbyozZtdE3kMzSoJiAlh7of1roLnY3Iprmori8ep6FOH1YnDAcSbbBU3V/U4giPQhUsfb5B6xIm8uZEIzLyIc3g05OGskc1GL+mpN0HxOj9+7hi2Er04YblUWGOoCS882SrvXGlQWnSzXlr4L7KzM/9QI6LmmGeS3XdYZyoNnw+Qu7XjsxxEn0QAXbmtyFb+AFWyPu/VLFZ9gPTm16fk4rZu/OdU+HiS+BepEcvuK/b7eCt7JXgGkR/xUo6fM2HCKIEIdtT4YZbnClIf1ZSfXPAje5NS7S0TvNQhEit594UahGjgI1efiJgj8vYMU/YqHAedoBR79JBaQ== x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support the WG adoption of this draft. I think it is a really good idea for each Virtual Network to have its own S= IDs. A couple questions to the authors: Page 9: Figure 1: The Red network has same SID on A & B for the path betwee= n them. But between B & E there are different SIDs. Is it intended? What scenario requires same SID on both nodes? Page 10: Section 4.3: the paragraph states that each node should advertise = the identifiers of the Virtual networks it participates in: 1) does each Vi= rtual Network has its own advertisement? i.e. if a node supports 5 Virtual= Networks, the node sends out 5 independent advertisements? 2) The network= controller configures the SIDs for each node. Why not let the network cont= roller manage the advertisement? Cheers, Linda From: spring On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 6:17 AM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vp= n Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_SN6PR13MB23348B1410C39D0AF058FBEF857E0SN6PR13MB2334namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support the WG adoption of this draft. =

 

I think it is a really good idea for each Virtual Ne= twork to have its own SIDs.

A couple questions to the authors:

 

Page 9: Figure 1: The Red network has same SID on A = & B for the path between them. But between B & E there are differen= t SIDs. Is it intended?

What scenario requires same SID on both nodes? =

 

Page 10: Section 4.3: the paragraph states that each= node should advertise the identifiers of the Virtual networks it participa= tes in: 1) does each Virtual Network has its own advertisement?  i.e. = if a node supports 5 Virtual Networks, the node sends out 5 independent advertisements?  2) The network cont= roller configures the SIDs for each node. Why not let the network controlle= r manage the advertisement?

 

Cheers,

Linda

 

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 6:17 AM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting th= is document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that supp= ort (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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"spring@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f1934305aa8146b8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] draft-voyer-spring-sr-replication-segment-03 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 21:05:05 -0000 --000000000000f1934305aa8146b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bruno, Replies inline @ [RP] > [Bruno] Agreed, in this specific case, you don't need the SID on the > _packet_. > - Still the PCE/configuration CLI/YANG need a way to identify this > interface and it could be via a SID (e.g. both local adjacency SID and > global nodes SID (assuming PHP) seems to work, depending on needs) > - It seems to me that SR Policy draft is in the same situation, and they > still call this an SR Policy. > But that's a detail. > > [RP] We are on the same page. An explicit interface can be identified in different ways. > [...] > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > " o When the Active Segment [RFC8402] is the Replication SID. In this > > > > > > case, the operation for a replicated copy is CONTINUE." > > > > > > > > > > > > "CONTINUE" would mean that the segment is not a local segment. > > > > > > So the document really needs to clarify whether the replication > > SID/segment is a local segment, or a global segment, or something new to > be > > defined.. > > > > > > > > The CONTINUE operation just captures the label swap for each > > replication, with just the Downstream Replication SID in the simplest > > case. > > "CONTINUE: the active segment is not completed; hence, it remains > active. In SR-MPLS, the CONTINUE operation is implemented as a SWAP > of the top label [RFC3031]. In SRv6, this is the plain IPv6 > forwarding action of a regular IPv6 packet according to its > destination address." > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8402#section-2 > > 1) SR terminology > Given that I think that we agreed that the replication segment is a local > segment (i.e. local to one node), I don't see how it could continue once > used. As we used it on the single node which understand it, it needs to be > terminated (NEXT). > > 2) Data plane > 2.a) SR-MPLS > I don't see a label swap. I see a pop of the BSID/replication SID and a > push of the list of SID in the SR-policy. As described in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-08#section-8.3 > "Let us assume that headend H has a valid SR Policy P of Segment-List > and BSID B. > > When H receives a packet K with label stack , H pops B and > pushes and forwards the resulting packet according to > SID S1." > > 2.b) SRv6 > Quoting RFC 8402 (above): "In SRv6, this is the plain IPv6 > forwarding action of a regular IPv6 packet according to its > destination address" > I don't see how this can translate in a specific SR action (here > "replication" on the replication node. ) But since there is no SRv6 > specific text in the draft, it's hard to guess. > > > Note that my understanding seems to match your new text/illustration in > appendix: there is no CONTINUE operation on a replication SID. Only NEXT > operation: > " R2, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID2 label and delivers the > payload." > "R6, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID1 label and delivers the > payload." > "R7, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID7 label and delivers the > payload." > > [RP] I see you point. We shall re-word the text around this area in a future WG document (probably in rev 01). > BTW, there may be two typos in the draft: > "R6, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID1 label and delivers the > payload." > :s/R-SID1/R-SID6 > > OLD: Replication State: > R2: L12>" > > NEW: Replication State: > R2: " > > [RP] Thanks for catching these. We will fix them in rev 00 of WG document. > Thanks, > Regards, > --Bruno > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez > recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages > electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou > falsifie. 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Bruno,
Replies inline @ [R= P]



[Bruno] Agreed, in this specific case, you don't need the SID on the _p= acket_.
- Still the PCE/configuration CLI/YANG need a way to identify this interfac= e and it could be via a SID (e.g. both local adjacency SID and global nodes= SID (assuming PHP) seems to work, depending on needs)
- It seems to me that SR Policy draft is in the same situation, and they st= ill call this an SR Policy.
But that's a detail.

[RP] We are on the same page. An explicit interface c= an be identified in different ways.
=C2=A0
[...]

> >
> > -------
> >
> > " o=C2=A0 When the Active Segment [RFC8402] is the Replicati= on SID.=C2=A0 In this
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0case, the operation for a replicated co= py is CONTINUE."
> >
> >
> >
> > "CONTINUE" would mean that the segment is not a local s= egment.
> >
> > So the document really needs to clarify whether the replication > SID/segment is a local segment, or a global segment, or something new = to be
> defined..
> >
> >
> The CONTINUE operation just captures the label swap for each
> replication, with just the Downstream Replication SID in the simplest<= br> > case.

"CONTINUE: the active segment is not completed; hence, it remains
=C2=A0 =C2=A0active.=C2=A0 In SR-MPLS, the CONTINUE operation is implemente= d as a SWAP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of the top label [RFC3031].=C2=A0 In SRv6, this is the plain I= Pv6
=C2=A0 =C2=A0forwarding action of a regular IPv6 packet according to its =C2=A0 =C2=A0destination address."
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8402#section-2

1) SR terminology
Given that I think that we agreed that the replication segment is a local s= egment (i.e. local to one node), I don't see how it could continue once= used. As we used it on the single node which understand it, it needs to be= terminated (NEXT).

2) Data plane
2.a) SR-MPLS
I don't see a label swap. I see a pop of the BSID/replication SID and a= push of the list of SID in the SR-policy. As described in=C2=A0 https://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-08#section-8.3
"Let us assume that headend H has a valid SR Policy P of Segment-List<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0<S1, S2, S3> and BSID B.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0When H receives a packet K with label stack <B, L2, L3>,= H pops B and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0pushes <S1, S2, S3> and forwards the resulting packet ac= cording to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0SID S1."

2.b) SRv6
Quoting RFC 8402 (above): "In SRv6, this is the plain IPv6
=C2=A0 =C2=A0forwarding action of a regular IPv6 packet according to its =C2=A0 =C2=A0destination address"
I don't see how this can translate in a specific SR action (here "= replication" on the replication node. ) But since there is no SRv6 spe= cific text in the draft, it's hard to guess.


Note that my understanding seems to match your new text/illustration in app= endix: there is no CONTINUE operation on a replication SID. Only NEXT opera= tion:
" R2, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID2 label and delivers= the payload."
"R6, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID1 label and delivers = the payload."
"R7, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID7 label and delivers = the payload."


[RP] I see you point. We shall re-word the text around this area in a futur= e WG document (probably in rev 01).
=C2=A0
BTW, there may be two typos in the draft:
"R6, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID1 label and delivers = the payload."
:s/R-SID1/R-SID6

OLD:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Replication State:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 R2: <R-SID1->= L12>"

NEW:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Replication State:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 R2: <R-SID2, L12= >"


[RP] Thanks for catching these. We wil= l fix them in rev 00 of WG document.
=C2=A0
Thanks,
Regards,
--Bruno

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An explicit interface can be identified in > different ways. > > >> [...] >> >> > > >> > > ------- >> > > >> > > " o When the Active Segment [RFC8402] is the Replication SID. In >> this >> > > >> > > case, the operation for a replicated copy is CONTINUE." >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > "CONTINUE" would mean that the segment is not a local segment. >> > > >> > > So the document really needs to clarify whether the replication >> > SID/segment is a local segment, or a global segment, or something new >> to be >> > defined.. >> > > >> > > >> > The CONTINUE operation just captures the label swap for each >> > replication, with just the Downstream Replication SID in the simplest >> > case. >> >> "CONTINUE: the active segment is not completed; hence, it remains >> active. In SR-MPLS, the CONTINUE operation is implemented as a SWAP >> of the top label [RFC3031]. In SRv6, this is the plain IPv6 >> forwarding action of a regular IPv6 packet according to its >> destination address." >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8402#section-2 >> >> 1) SR terminology >> Given that I think that we agreed that the replication segment is a local >> segment (i.e. local to one node), I don't see how it could continue once >> used. As we used it on the single node which understand it, it needs to be >> terminated (NEXT). >> >> 2) Data plane >> 2.a) SR-MPLS >> I don't see a label swap. I see a pop of the BSID/replication SID and a >> push of the list of SID in the SR-policy. As described in >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-08#section-8.3 >> "Let us assume that headend H has a valid SR Policy P of Segment-List >> and BSID B. >> >> When H receives a packet K with label stack , H pops B and >> pushes and forwards the resulting packet according to >> SID S1." >> >> 2.b) SRv6 >> Quoting RFC 8402 (above): "In SRv6, this is the plain IPv6 >> forwarding action of a regular IPv6 packet according to its >> destination address" >> I don't see how this can translate in a specific SR action (here >> "replication" on the replication node. ) But since there is no SRv6 >> specific text in the draft, it's hard to guess. >> > >> >> Note that my understanding seems to match your new text/illustration in >> appendix: there is no CONTINUE operation on a replication SID. Only NEXT >> operation: >> " R2, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID2 label and delivers >> the payload." >> "R6, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID1 label and delivers the >> payload." >> "R7, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID7 label and delivers the >> payload." >> >> > [RP] I see you point. We shall re-word the text around this area in a > future WG document (probably in rev 01). > > >> BTW, there may be two typos in the draft: >> "R6, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID1 label and delivers the >> payload." >> :s/R-SID1/R-SID6 >> >> OLD: Replication State: >> R2: L12>" >> >> NEW: Replication State: >> R2: " >> >> > [RP] Thanks for catching these. We will fix them in rev 00 of WG document. > > >> Thanks, >> Regards, >> --Bruno >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations >> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez >> recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler >> a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages >> electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, >> Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme >> ou falsifie. 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Bruno,
One clarification:
BTW, there may be two typos in the draft:
"R6, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID1 label and delivers = the payload."
:s/R-SID1/R-SID6

OLD:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Replication State:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 R2: <R-SID1->= L12>"

NEW:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Replication State:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 R2: <R-SID2, L12= >"


We did not want L12 to be mista= ken as a SID and hence the "<R-SID2->L12>" convention (i= ndicating push R-SID2 and send on interface L12) as compared to
<= div>"<N-SID6, R-SID6>" where both elements are SIDs.
<= div>
-Rishabh

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 2:04 PM Rishabh Parekh <rishabhp@gmail.com> wrote:
Bruno,
Replies inline @ [RP]



[Bruno] Agreed, in this specific case, you don't need the SID on the _p= acket_.
- Still the PCE/configuration CLI/YANG need a way to identify this interfac= e and it could be via a SID (e.g. both local adjacency SID and global nodes= SID (assuming PHP) seems to work, depending on needs)
- It seems to me that SR Policy draft is in the same situation, and they st= ill call this an SR Policy.
But that's a detail.

[RP] We are on the same page. An explicit interface c= an be identified in different ways.
=C2=A0
[...]

> >
> > -------
> >
> > " o=C2=A0 When the Active Segment [RFC8402] is the Replicati= on SID.=C2=A0 In this
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0case, the operation for a replicated co= py is CONTINUE."
> >
> >
> >
> > "CONTINUE" would mean that the segment is not a local s= egment.
> >
> > So the document really needs to clarify whether the replication > SID/segment is a local segment, or a global segment, or something new = to be
> defined..
> >
> >
> The CONTINUE operation just captures the label swap for each
> replication, with just the Downstream Replication SID in the simplest<= br> > case.

"CONTINUE: the active segment is not completed; hence, it remains
=C2=A0 =C2=A0active.=C2=A0 In SR-MPLS, the CONTINUE operation is implemente= d as a SWAP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of the top label [RFC3031].=C2=A0 In SRv6, this is the plain I= Pv6
=C2=A0 =C2=A0forwarding action of a regular IPv6 packet according to its =C2=A0 =C2=A0destination address."
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8402#section-2

1) SR terminology
Given that I think that we agreed that the replication segment is a local s= egment (i.e. local to one node), I don't see how it could continue once= used. As we used it on the single node which understand it, it needs to be= terminated (NEXT).

2) Data plane
2.a) SR-MPLS
I don't see a label swap. I see a pop of the BSID/replication SID and a= push of the list of SID in the SR-policy. As described in=C2=A0 https://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-08#section-8.3
"Let us assume that headend H has a valid SR Policy P of Segment-List<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0<S1, S2, S3> and BSID B.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0When H receives a packet K with label stack <B, L2, L3>,= H pops B and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0pushes <S1, S2, S3> and forwards the resulting packet ac= cording to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0SID S1."

2.b) SRv6
Quoting RFC 8402 (above): "In SRv6, this is the plain IPv6
=C2=A0 =C2=A0forwarding action of a regular IPv6 packet according to its =C2=A0 =C2=A0destination address"
I don't see how this can translate in a specific SR action (here "= replication" on the replication node. ) But since there is no SRv6 spe= cific text in the draft, it's hard to guess.


Note that my understanding seems to match your new text/illustration in app= endix: there is no CONTINUE operation on a replication SID. Only NEXT opera= tion:
" R2, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID2 label and delivers= the payload."
"R6, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID1 label and delivers = the payload."
"R7, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID7 label and delivers = the payload."


[RP] I see you point. We shall re-word the text around this area in a futur= e WG document (probably in rev 01).
=C2=A0
BTW, there may be two typos in the draft:
"R6, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops R-SID1 label and delivers = the payload."
:s/R-SID1/R-SID6

OLD:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Replication State:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 R2: <R-SID1->= L12>"

NEW:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Replication State:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 R2: <R-SID2, L12= >"


[RP] Thanks for catching these. We wil= l fix them in rev 00 of WG document.
=C2=A0
Thanks,
Regards,
--Bruno

___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________

Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc
pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler
a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les message= s electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,
Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci.

This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf= ormation that may be protected by law;
they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation.
If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and dele= te this message and its attachments.
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Thank you.

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=D6=F7=CC=E2: [spring] WG Adoption Call = for = draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn

<= /div>

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhance= d-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. =

 

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this = document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that = support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

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Hi All,


I support the adoption of the draft. 


Regards,

Peng Liu

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Date: 2= 020-07-15 19:16
Subject: [spring] WG= Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn
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Dear W= G:

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This e= mail begins a 2 week WG adoption call for=0A= =0A= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.=0A=

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Please= speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Plea= se also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silenc= e will not be considered consent.

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Thanks= !

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Jim, J= oel & Bruno

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=0A=0A=0A=0A ------=_001_NextPart-1898535873_=------ From nobody Wed Jul 15 18:40:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1773A09C7; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:40:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EF57xPxCDJ0d; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD67C3A0982; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml718-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 46E3ED5651BF0376D752; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 02:40:30 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml718-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.69) by lhreml718-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.69) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 02:40:30 +0100 Received: from DGGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.39) by lhreml718-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.69) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 02:40:29 +0100 Received: from DGGEML530-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.76]) by DGGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::b177:a243:7a69:5ab8%31]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:40:25 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang Thread-Index: AdZZKaSGxpyazIbbQ8apsNd5+9RdDgB6GG7A Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 01:40:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.203.48] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297CE6210dggeml530mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 01:40:40 -0000 --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297CE6210dggeml530mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have read the draft, it's an important building block of SRv6, support th= e adoption. Best regards, Mach From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:38 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297CE6210dggeml530mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I have read the draft, it’s an important building block of = SRv6, support the adoption.

 

Best regards,

Mach

 

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:38 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-y= ang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ = ending Monday 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

--_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297CE6210dggeml530mbschi_-- From nobody Wed Jul 15 18:40:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC4E3A0991; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:40:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4aWUs2JjyivZ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BCAC3A08BA; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id CD6809206A707BA1B495; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 02:40:35 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.51) by lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 02:40:35 +0100 Received: from DGGEML423-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.40) by lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 02:40:35 +0100 Received: from DGGEML530-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.76]) by dggeml423-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.40]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:39:55 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang Thread-Index: AdZZX0QDXPWnj1oGQQKGYsZR37MSlgBsopRw Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 01:39:54 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.203.48] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297CE6205dggeml530mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 01:40:40 -0000 --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297CE6205dggeml530mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have read the draft, it's an important building block of SRv6, support th= e adoption. Best regards, Mach From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 5:52 AM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297CE6205dggeml530mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I have read the draft, it’s an important building block of = SRv6, support the adoption.

 

Best regards,

Mach

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 5:52 AM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Mon= day 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

 

 

--_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297CE6205dggeml530mbschi_-- From nobody Wed Jul 15 18:46:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8493A08C0; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:46:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 954KvGyhXN4P; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E0493A08BA; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml703-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 0AEBD2340C779C16F591; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 02:45:58 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml703-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.52) by lhreml703-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.52) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 02:45:57 +0100 Received: from DGGEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.33) by lhreml703-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.52) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 02:45:57 +0100 Received: from DGGEML530-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.76]) by DGGEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::74d9:c659:fbec:21fa%31]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:45:50 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn Thread-Index: AdZalG5COYT8S7GISwGDbTxQ2h/PJgAfbqhw Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 01:45:50 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.203.48] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297CE6239dggeml530mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 01:46:01 -0000 --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297CE6239dggeml530mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have read several versions of this draft, I think this is a useful work, = hence support the adoption! One comment about the draft, it's better to decouple this draft a bit from = network slicing, since it can be as a basic function that can not only be u= sed for network slicing, but be used for other scenarios. Best regards, Mach From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vp= n Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 202= 0. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297CE6239dggeml530mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I have read several versions of this draft, I think this is a use= ful work, hence support the adoption!

 

One comment about the draft, it’s better to decouple this d= raft a bit from network slicing, since it can be as a basic function that c= an not only be used for network slicing, but be used for other scenarios.

 

Best regards,

Mach

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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Hi All,
I support the adoption of th= is draft.  Since slicing is a important requirement in building 5G ne= twork, and and this could be useful for in other general scenarios=EF=BC= =8C I hope this work can progress quickly later on.

Thanks!
Chongfeng
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Hi Linda,

 

Thanks a lot for your support and comments. Please see some repli= es inline with [Jie]:

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 4:54 AM
To: James Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com>; spring@ie= tf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-= enhanced-vpn

 

I support the WG adoption of th= is draft.

 

I think it is a really good ide= a for each Virtual Network to have its own SIDs.

A couple questions to the autho= rs:

 

Page 9: Figure 1: The Red netwo= rk has same SID on A & B for the path between them. But between B &= E there are different SIDs. Is it intended?

What scenario requires same SID= on both nodes?

 

[Jie] The value of SIDs in the figure is just an example. As the = value of adj-SID is local-significant, and represents a unidirectional link= , it is possible to have the same SID value used at different directions of a link, and it also allows to use di= fferent SID value on different links or different directions of the same vi= rtual network.

 

Page 10: Section 4.3: the parag= raph states that each node should advertise the identifiers of the Virtual = networks it participates in: 1) does each Virtual Network has its own adver= tisement?  i.e. if a node supports 5 Virtual Networks, the node sends out 5 independent advertisements?  2= ) The network controller configures the SIDs for each node. Why not let the= network controller manage the advertisement?

 

[Jie] The advertisement of SIDs can be done with either centraliz= ed control or distributed control plane. The details are specified in separ= ate documents in relevant WGs. Your review and comments on them are appreciated.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

Cheers,

Linda

 

From: spring <spring-bo= unces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 6:17 AM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org=
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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dggeme703-chm.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.99) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:45:51 +0800 Received: from dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.77]) by dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.77]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:45:51 +0800 From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" To: Mach Chen , James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn Thread-Index: AdZalG5COYT8S7GISwGDbTxQ2h/PJgAfbqhwAAHSDdA= Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 02:45:51 +0000 Message-ID: <500f6ae0dd264b6a92f31185e06d2224@huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.50.40] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_500f6ae0dd264b6a92f31185e06d2224huaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 02:45:59 -0000 --_000_500f6ae0dd264b6a92f31185e06d2224huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mach, Thanks for your support and comment. I totally agree that this document provides an generic mechanism, which cou= ld be used in many scenarios not limited to network slicing. We have reduce= d the text about network slicing in this document, and will continue to fol= low this direction in future. Best regards, Jie From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mach Chen Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 9:46 AM To: James Guichard ; spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhance= d-vpn Hi, I have read several versions of this draft, I think this is a useful work, = hence support the adoption! One comment about the draft, it's better to decouple this draft a bit from = network slicing, since it can be as a basic function that can not only be u= sed for network slicing, but be used for other scenarios. Best regards, Mach From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vp= n Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 202= 0. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_500f6ae0dd264b6a92f31185e06d2224huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Mach,

 

Thanks for your support and comment.

 

I totally agree that this document provides an generic mechanism,= which could be used in many scenarios not limited to network slicing. We h= ave reduced the text about network slicing in this document, and will continue to follow this direction in future.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mach Chen
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 9:46 AM
To: James Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com>; spring@ie= tf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-= enhanced-vpn

 

Hi,

 

I have read several versions of this draft, I think this is a use= ful work, hence support the adoption!

 

One comment about the draft, it’s better to decouple this d= raft a bit from network slicing, since it can be as a basic function that c= an not only be used for network slicing, but be used for other scenarios.

 

Best regards,

Mach

 

From: spring [mailto:sprin= g-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org=
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

--_000_500f6ae0dd264b6a92f31185e06d2224huaweicom_-- From nobody Wed Jul 15 21:01:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFD03A0BC6; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 21:01:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vS6Uwj5Gwcq8; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 21:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-m127101.qiye.163.com (mail-m127101.qiye.163.com [115.236.127.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2F5B3A0BC5; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 21:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP2IOH5QC (unknown [219.142.69.75]) by mail-m127101.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id 6DE0147462; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:01:35 +0800 (CST) From: "Aijun Wang" To: "'James Guichard'" , Cc: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:01:35 +0800 Message-ID: <005701d65b25$cc6cd390$65467ab0$@tsinghua.org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01D65B68.DA901390" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQKK6H4B+G06zLghlizkdLHSMBadKaegedtw Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1kfGhgUHx5ZQUpXWQgYFAkeWUFZS1VLWVdZKFlBSkxLS0o3V1ktWUFJV1 kPCRoVCBIfWUFZQ05LQh5NGE5JTh5PVkpOQk9DTElLQk5NT01VEwETFhoSFyQUDg9ZV1kWGg8SFR 0UWUFZT0tIVUpKS09ISFVKS0tZBg++ X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kMHhlZQR0aFwgeV1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6PzY6STo*ETgtHDQDEhgrPRML KDhPCRRVSlVKTkJPQ0xJS0JNS0hMVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZ EgtZQVlJSkJVSk9JVU1CVUxOWVdZCAFZQUNOT0g3Bg++ X-HM-Tid: 0a7355c8e34b9865kuuu6de0147462 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 04:01:42 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01D65B68.DA901390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes/Support. Resource-Aware SID can be used to accomplish the determined QoS requirements of the specified services. Best Regards Aijun Wang China Telecom From: spring-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01D65B68.DA901390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes/Support= .

Resource-Aw= are SID can be used to accomplish the determined QoS requirements of the = specified services.

 =

 =

Best = Regards

 =

Aijun = Wang

China = Telecom=

 =

From: spring-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James = Guichard
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM
To: = spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: = [spring] WG Adoption Call for = draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG = adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhance= d-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. =

 

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this = document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that = support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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Think of a Replication function at a node represented by the function portion of SRV6 SID with Replication context either in arg or in the function itself. In the simplest case,as you illustrated, replication to a downstream node is just constructing a SRv6 SID with downstream locator + downstream replication function + replication context (optional) and putting it in the DA of IPv6 packet. If the downstream node is remote and the packet has to take a specific path (not the IGP shortest path) to the node, the downstream replication SID will be somewhere in SRH. -Rishabh On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 3:45 AM Xiejingrong (Jingrong) < xiejingrong@huawei.com> wrote: > (Though it is in a PIM WG draft (cc=E2=80=99ed), but the terminologies in= RFC8402 > are used and are the key to understand, so I would expect points from th= e > SPRING WG). > > > > Hi Rishabh, > > > > Thanks for your response! > > > > Let me try to understand the applicability of SRv6 first, and move to the > other points afterwards. > > > > I read the appendix A.1 in , and still > have difficulty to understand the processing of multicast packet. > > > > o R2, as Leaf, performs NEXT operation, pops T-SID1 label and > > delivers the payload. For replication to R6, R2 performs a PUSH > > operation of N-SID6, to send label stack to R3. > > R3 is the penultimate hop for N-SID6; it performs penultimate hop > > popping, which corresponds to the NEXT operation and the packet is > > then sent to R6 with in the label stack. For replication > > to R7, R2 performs a PUSH operation of N-SID7, to send > > label stack to R4, one of IGP ECMP nexthops > > towards R7. R4 is the penultimate hop for N-SID6; it performs > > penultimate hop popping, which corresponds to the NEXT operation > > and the packet is then sent to R7 with in the label > > stack. > > > > When considering SRv6, The =E2=80=9CPUSH operation of N-SID6=E2=80=9D and= the =E2=80=9CPUSH > operation of N-SID7=E2=80=9D are not clear to me. > > > > Seems that and are only for SR-MPLS, wher= e > T-SID1 is locally meaningful, and N-SID is globally reachable. > > > > I try to understand what=E2=80=99s the shape of each packet =E2=80=93 pkt= 12, pkt23, pkt36, > pkt25, pkt47 in this example when using SRv6. > > > > R3----(pkt36)----R6 > > / > > (pkt23) > > / > > R1----(pkt12)----R2----(pkt24)----R4----(pkt47)----R7 > > > > And this is my assumption: > > Pkt12: (SA=3DR1, DA=3DR2_RepSID) (C-multicast pkt) > > Pkt23/Pkt36: (SA=3DR1, DA=3DR6_RepSID) (C-multicast pkt) > > Pkt24/Pkt47: (SA=3DR1, DA=3DR7_RepSID) (C-multicast pkt) > > > > Is that correct ? > > > > Thanks > > Jingrong > > > > *From:* Rishabh Parekh [mailto:rishabhp@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2020 4:46 AM > *To:* Xiejingrong (Jingrong) > *Cc:* Jeff Tantsura ; Dhruv Dhody < > dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>; bruno.decraene@orange.com; spring@ietf.org; > Alexander Vainshtein > *Subject:* Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft > > > > Jingrong, > > > > Replies inline. > > > > 1) About the distinction of Replication-ID and Replication-SID, and > their usage. > > If there is an SID block specially reserved for the P2MP Transport on eac= h > of the Replication Node, and such SID block (on each Replication Node) is > advertised through west-east protocol like IGP/BGP, > > and then the north-south controller (like PCE) can use the > =E2=80=9CReplication-ID=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CNode-ID=E2=80=9D only, but = don=E2=80=99t need to use > =E2=80=9CReplication-SID=E2=80=9D when populating the =E2=80=9CTree=E2=80= =9D information to each > =E2=80=9CReplication Node=E2=80=9D ? > > In that way, the Controller doesn=E2=80=99t need to allocate (and manage)= each of > the Replication-SID (Say 1000 Replication-SID) for each Replication Nod= e > (Say 100 nodes). > > > > As we try to make the distinction clear in the draft, Replication segment > is a logical segment that needs to be explicitly instantiated on the node > either by PCE or by some other mechanism (maybe local config?). The > Replication SID has to be assigned when the Replication segment (with a > Replication-ID) is created on the node. Note Replication Segments can be > created and deleted over time. and So, there is no pre-allocated block of > Replication SIDs that can be announced in IGP or BGP. Effectively, the > entity managing Replication segments has to manage the Replication SIDs. > > > > 2) About the Replication Segment illustration. > > The rev-04 add a section =E2=80=9CIllustration of a Replication Segment= =E2=80=9D in > appendix, it is very clear and useful. > > To me, the =E2=80=9CReplication State=E2=80=9D is more like a =E2=80=9Cfo= rwarding state=E2=80=9D, and I > think it will be helpful to understand the whole solution if: > > a) there is a description/Illustration about the building procedure of th= e > =E2=80=9Cforwarding state=E2=80=9D ---- What=E2=80=99s the information ea= ch Replication Node > receives from the controller, and how each node builds its own forwarding > state. > > b) there is a description/Illustration about the processing of multicast > packet on the whole path of the P2MP tree. > > > > Illustrations of how packets and handed on a P2MP tree built by stitching > Replication segments have been added in latest revision 02 of PIM WG draf= t: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy/ > > We have drafts on PCEP and BGP protocol extensions to instantiate > Replication segments. > > > > > > 3) About the applicability of SR-MPLS and SRv6. > > The rev-04 says =E2=80=9CReplication segments apply equally to both SR-MP= LS and > SRv6 instantiations of Segment Routing.=E2=80=9D. > > I am not sure if this document will cover SRv6 as well, but if it does, > then I would like to see the same level of consideration as SR-MPLS. > > > > > > Yes, we will have the same level of details for SRv6 Replication too. > > > > -Rishabh > --0000000000002819a505aa91b7b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jingrong,
Your understanding is essentially= correct. Think of a Replication function at a node represented by the func= tion portion of SRV6 SID with Replication context either in arg or in the f= unction itself. In the simplest case,as you illustrated, replication to a d= ownstream node is just constructing a SRv6 SID with downstream locator + do= wnstream replication function + replication context (optional) and putting = it in the DA of IPv6 packet. If the downstream node is remote and the packe= t has to take a specific path (not the IGP shortest path) to the node, the = downstream replication SID will be somewhere in SRH.

-Rishabh

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 3:45 AM Xiejingrong (Jingrong)= <xiejingrong@huawei.com&g= t; wrote:

(Though it is in a PIM WG draft (cc= =E2=80=99ed), but the terminologies in RFC8402 are used and are the key to = understand, so I would =C2=A0expect points from the SPRING WG).

=C2=A0

Hi Rishabh,

=C2=A0

Thanks for your response!

=C2=A0

Let me try to understand the applicab= ility of SRv6 first, and move to the other points afterwards.=

=C2=A0

I read the appendix A.1 in <draft-= voyer-pim-sr-p2mp-policy-02>, and still have difficulty to understand th= e processing of multicast packet.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 o=C2=A0 R2, as Lea= f, performs NEXT operation, pops T-SID1 label and

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = delivers the payload.=C2=A0 For replication to R6, R2 performs a PUSH

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = operation of N-SID6, to send <N-SID6,T-SID1> label stack to R3.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = R3 is the penultimate hop for N-SID6; it performs penultimate hop=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = popping, which corresponds to the NEXT operation and the packet is

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = then sent to R6 with <T-SID1> in the label stack.=C2=A0 For replicati= on

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = to R7, R2 performs a PUSH operation of N-SID7, to send=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = <N-SID7,T-SID1> label stack to R4, one of IGP ECMP nexthops=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = towards R7.=C2=A0 R4 is the penultimate hop for N-SID6; it performs<= u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = penultimate hop popping, which corresponds to the NEXT operation<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = and the packet is then sent to R7 with <T-SID1> in the label

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = stack.

=C2=A0

When considering SRv6, The =E2=80=9CP= USH operation of N-SID6=E2=80=9D and the =E2=80=9CPUSH operation of N-SID7= =E2=80=9D are not clear to me.

=C2=A0

Seems that <N-SID6,T-SID1> and = <N-SID7,T-SID1> are only for SR-MPLS, where T-SID1 is locally meaning= ful, and N-SID is globally reachable.

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I try to understand what=E2=80=99s th= e shape of each packet =E2=80=93 pkt12, pkt23, pkt36, pkt25, pkt47 in this = example when using SRv6.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 R3----(pkt36)----R6

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 /

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (pkt23)=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 /=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

R1----(pkt12)----R2----(pkt24)----R4-= ---(pkt47)----R7

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And this is my assumption:<= /u>

Pkt12: (SA=3DR1, DA=3DR2_RepSID) (C-m= ulticast pkt)

Pkt23/Pkt36: (SA=3DR1, DA=3DR6_RepSID= ) (C-multicast pkt)

Pkt24/Pkt47: (SA=3DR1, DA=3DR7_RepSID= ) (C-multicast pkt)

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Is that correct ?

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Thanks

Jingrong

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From: Rish= abh Parekh [mailto:= rishabhp@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 4:46 AM
To: Xiejingrong (Jingrong) <xiejingrong@huawei.com>
Cc: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>; Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>= ; bruno.decr= aene@orange.com; s= pring@ietf.org; Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@rbbn.com><= br> Subject: Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft<= /u>

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Jingrong,<= /p>

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Replies inline.

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1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 About the distinction of Replic= ation-ID and Replication-SID, and their usage.<= u>

If there is an = SID block specially reserved for the P2MP Transport on each of the Replicat= ion Node, and such SID block (on each Replication Node) is advertised through = west-east protocol like IGP/BGP,

and then the no= rth-south controller (like PCE) can use the =E2=80=9CReplication-ID=E2=80= =9D and =E2=80=9CNode-ID=E2=80=9D only, but don=E2=80=99t need to use =E2=80=9CReplication-SID=E2=80=9D when= populating the =E2=80=9CTree=E2=80=9D information to each =E2=80=9CReplica= tion Node=E2=80=9D ?

In that way, th= e Controller doesn=E2=80=99t need to allocate (and manage) each of the Repl= ication-SID (Say 1000 Replication-SID)=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 each Replication Node (Say 100 = nodes).

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As we try to make the distincti= on clear in the draft, Replication segment is a logical segment that needs = to be explicitly instantiated on the node either by PCE or by some other me= chanism (maybe local config?). The Replication SID has to be assigned when the Replication segment (with a Replication-ID= ) is created on the node. Note Replication Segments can be created and dele= ted over time. and So, there is no pre-allocated block of Replication SIDs = that can be announced in IGP or BGP. Effectively, the entity managing Replication segments has to manage t= he Replication SIDs.

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2)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 About the Replication Segment i= llustration.

The rev-04 add = a section =E2=80=9CIllustration of a Replication Segment=E2=80=9D in append= ix, it is very clear and useful.

To me, the =E2= =80=9CReplication State=E2=80=9D is more like a =E2=80=9Cforwarding state= =E2=80=9D, and I think it will be helpful to understand the whole solution if:

a) there is a d= escription/Illustration about the building procedure of the =E2=80=9Cforwar= ding state=E2=80=9D ---- What=E2=80=99s the information each Replication Node r= eceives from the controller, and how each node builds its own forwarding st= ate.

b) there is a d= escription/Illustration about the processing of multicast packet on the whole path of the P2MP tree.

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Illustrations of how packets an= d handed on a P2MP tree built by stitching Replication segments have been a= dded in latest revision 02 of PIM WG draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-voyer-pim-sr-p2m= p-policy/

We have drafts on PCEP and BGP = protocol extensions to instantiate Replication segments.

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3)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 About the applicability of SR-M= PLS and SRv6.

The rev-04 says= =E2=80=9CReplication segments apply equally to both SR-MPLS and SRv6 insta= ntiations of Segment Routing.=E2=80=9D.

I am not sure i= f this document will cover SRv6 as well, but if it does, then I would like to see the same level of consideration as SR-MPLS.

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=C2=A0Yes, we will have the sam= e level of details for SRv6 Replication too.

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-Rishabh

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MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:15:35 -0000 --_000_e0b0cc6a5d0c499ca56b13e67f899726huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, I support the WG adoption. The method introduced in the document is a reasonable extension to the sema= ntics of SR SID, which could be used to meet specific requirements of some = network scenarios. Best Regards Xuesong From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vp= n Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 202= 0. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_e0b0cc6a5d0c499ca56b13e67f899726huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi WG,

 

I support the WG adop= tion.

The method introduced= in the document is a reasonable extension to the semantics of SR SID, whic= h could be used to meet specific requirements of some network scenarios.

 

Best Regards

Xuesong

 

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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Received: from [172.19.124.101] (dhcp101.west-4f.cn.kddilabs.jp [172.19.124.101]) by safeattach.localdomain with ESMTP id 06K2MJI6024180; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 11:22:19 +0900 To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" Cc: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" References: From: Takuya Miyasaka Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 11:22:19 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0A9CC611B743977E08D5F038" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 02:22:25 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0A9CC611B743977E08D5F038 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AS a coauthor, I support this adoption. From an operator perspective, the idea brought by this draft is useful for the efficient resource reservation. Thanks, Takuya > Dear WG: > > This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ > ending Wednesday 29^th July 2020. > > Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into > the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack > thereof). Silence will not be considered consent. > > Thanks! > > Jim, Joel & Bruno > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring --------------0A9CC611B743977E08D5F038 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
AS a coauthor, I support this adoption. From an operator perspective, the idea brought by this draft is useful for the efficient resource reservation.

Thanks,
Takuya

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 


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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE191A2B0EDGGEML532MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [spring] SPRING WG Agenda @IETF108 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:15:50 -0000 --_000_4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE191A2B0EDGGEML532MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, The agenda for our virtual 108 meeting has been posted. Please let us know = if any changes are needed. https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/108/agenda/agenda-108-spring-00 To all presenters, please send your slides to spring-chairs@ietf.org no later than the Saturday July 25. Thank you! Best Regards, Shuping From: Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 9:56 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Presentation slot request in SPRING WG - IETF108 Hi all, We have decided to use Google Form to collect presentation slot requests in= the SPRING WG for this IETF108. Please fill in your request in the followi= ng Form. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeed9WSYsu5qlxNTOIzd49gFeZSlfny9C6= xmB8ZxQTrERufyw/viewform If there is any issue for you to access this Form, please send your request= directly to spring-chairs@ietf.org. Thank you! Best regards, Shuping --_000_4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE191A2B0EDGGEML532MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

The agenda for our virtual 1= 08 meeting has been posted. Please let us know if any changes are needed.

 

https://www.ietf.org/proce= edings/108/agenda/agenda-108-spring-00

 

To all presenters, please se= nd your slides to spring-chairs@ietf.org no lat= er than the Saturday July 25.

 

Thank you!

 

Best Regards,

Shuping

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From: Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 9:56 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Presentation slot request in SPRING WG - IETF108=

 

Hi all,

 

We have decided to use Google F= orm to collect presentation slot requests in the SPRING WG for this IETF108= . Please fill in your request in the following Form.

 

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If there is any issue for you t= o access this Form, please send your request directly to spring-chairs@ietf.org. =

 

Thank you!

 

Best regards,=

Shuping

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Hi Ran,

 

Thank you very = much for your interests in and comments on this draft.

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Yes, you are right that SR architecture supports resource r= elated SIDs. So we can specify the resource related framework under SR arch= itecture.  This is the main purpose of this doc. RFC8402 supports = ;resource related SIDs, but doesn't  define them, which are defi= ned in this doc.


However, I am afraid I c= an not agree with you that this doc is mainly to manage and maintain virtua= l network resources.  The concept and mechanism of resource-awar= eness SID is introduced in this doc to enrich the semantics of= SR SID and to enhance the SR architecture. Thanks to its flexibility and e= xtensibility.

Resource related SIDs introduced in this doc= can be used to construct virtual networks, resource isolated pathes, dedic= ated queques in one node and so on, which depends on the application scenar= ios. 


Since this draft belongs to SPRING WG, IMO it is co= rrect that it focuses the semantics and functions associated with SR SIDs. = The identifier and mechanisms in control plane could be discussed in the co= rresponding protocol WGs as next step. Please pay attention to our related = work in the protocol WGs and you are welcome to present your comments there= . Thanks alot.

 

Best regards,

Zhenqiang L= i

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I strongly support adoption of this draft -- it is an= integral part of the SR Policy toolkit.

-Pavan (a= s a co-author)

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:38 AM James Guichard <= ;james.n.guichard@futurew= ei.com> wrote:

Dear WG:

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This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ endi= ng Monday 27th July 2020.

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Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting th= is document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that supp= ort (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.

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Thanks!

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Hello -

I support=C2=A0WG adoption. Loo= k forward to our productive discussions on refining the model.
Best .. Ian

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:38 AM James Guicha= rd <james.n.guichard@f= uturewei.com> wrote:

Dear WG:

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This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ endi= ng Monday 27th July 2020.

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Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting th= is document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that supp= ort (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.

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Thanks!

=C2=A0

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On Mon, = Jul 13, 2020 at 5:38 PM James Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com> wrote:

Dear WG:

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This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ endi= ng Monday 27th July 2020.

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Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting th= is document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that supp= ort (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.

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Thanks!

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Hi WG,
Support the WG adoption of this impo= rtant work for SR Policy.

Thanks,
Rakesh=


On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:38 AM James Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.= com> wrote:

Dear WG:

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This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ endi= ng Monday 27th July 2020.

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Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting th= is document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that supp= ort (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.

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Thanks!

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Jim, Joel & Bruno

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Hi WG,
I support= the WG adoption of this important work for SRv6.

= Thanks,
Rakesh

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From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: 14 July 2020 03:22
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Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang

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Dear WG:

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This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-ya= ng/ ending Monday 27th July 2020.

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Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

=C2=A0

Thanks!

=C2=A0

Jim, Joel & Bruno=

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Tue, 21 Jul 2020 14:39:37 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Francois Clad (fclad)" Cc: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b649b305aaf7f200" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:39:52 -0000 --000000000000b649b305aaf7f200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Support. 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Support.

Thanks,
-= Xufeng

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:18 PM Francois Clad (fclad) <= ;fclad=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ie= tf.org> wrote:

Hi,

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I support the adoption of this = draft.

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The definition of a YANG data m= odel for the SR policy architecture is an important work item for this WG.<= u>

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Thanks,

Francois

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From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org<= /a>> on behalf of James Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com>
Date: Monday 13 July 2020 at 17:38
To: "sprin= g@ietf.org" <spring@ietf.org>
Cc: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" <spring-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-y= ang

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Dear WG:

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This email begins a 2 wee= k WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr= -policy-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020.

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Please speak up if you su= pport or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide com= ments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be consi= dered consent.

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Thanks,
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On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:52= PM James Guichard <ja= mes.n.guichard@futurewei.com> wrote:

Dear WG:

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This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-ya= ng/ ending Monday 27th July 2020.

=C2=A0

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

=C2=A0

Thanks!

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--0000000000002b9cf805aaf8348d-- From nobody Tue Jul 21 20:10:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F6A3A0A0E; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:10:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fLfqsFwXMAZN; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 027A83A0A0C; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml704-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id D42CAFF52B6DAC30BB4F; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 04:10:40 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.53) by lhreml704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 04:10:40 +0100 Received: from DGGEML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.50) by lhreml704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 04:10:40 +0100 Received: from DGGEML529-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.6.133]) by dggeml406-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.50]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:10:38 +0800 From: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn Thread-Index: AdZalG5COYT8S7GISwGDbTxQ2h/PJgFQNqAQ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 03:10:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.203.229] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B0E41Bdggeml529mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 03:10:44 -0000 --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B0E41Bdggeml529mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, support. The idea of SR for enhanced VPN is really clear and straight = forward, and it is needed for sure. Since the text is stable and mature, I support the adoption. Respect, Cheng From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vp= n Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 202= 0. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B0E41Bdggeml529mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, support. The idea= of SR for enhanced VPN is really clear and straight forward, and it is nee= ded for sure.

 

Since the text is stab= le and mature, I support the adoption.

 

Respect,

Cheng

 

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org]= On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:17 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting th= is document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that supp= ort (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_020A_01D660E6.12017BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Shaofu, =20 The resource in this document refers to the data plane resource used for = packet processing. This aligns with the resource reservation concept in = TEAS. This has been clarified in the draft.=20 =20 With SR architecture, SIDs can be used to represent any instructions, = thus using SID to identify a set of network resource complies with the = SR architecture. However, the segments as defined in RFC 8402 and other = documents before this draft did not cover this useful semantic. Thus IMO = this needs to be specified explicitly under the SR architecture first, = so that further work based on resource-aware SIDs can be done in = relevant WGs.=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Thanks, Fengwei Qin =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8823=E6=97=A5 = 09:25 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: james.n.guichard@futurewei.com; jie.dong@huawei.com; = spring@ietf.org; chen.ran@zte.com.cn; spring-chairs@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [spring] WG = AdoptionCallfordraft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn =20 Hi zhenqiang, =20 Resource is a big, all encompassing concept. Similarly, service concept, = application concept, intent concept, etc, you can find more.=20 IMO, we can't ignore the fact that the current SR architecture already = cover resource related SID allocation, but to surmise that it lacks = resource meaning, then to submit an unnecessary and redundant framework. = =20 AFAIK, there have already been several documents that defined the = allocation of SID for specific resouce, for example: draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo described topology related resource partition = and algorithm based SID allocation,=20 L2-bundles(rfc8668) described the allocation of member adjacency SIDs = for subdivided link resources draft-peng-teas-network-slicing described slice related resource = partition and corresponding SID allocation. All of these solutions follow the existing SR architecture. Thus it is = not the truth that we all think that the existing SR architecture does = not cover allocating resource-awareness SID and explicitly resource = capability or semantic need to be defined. I believe there will be more SR based solution in the future. For = simplicity and refinement, we can not paint the lily to change the = existing architecture at will, ignoring the fact that it can work and = perfect support for every solutions. Otherwise, for some purpose, = someone can also persist that the SR architecture lacks service = meanning, application meaning, intent meanning, etc, then more and more = unnecessary X-awareness framework appear.=20 =20 So let us focus on specific solutions, i.e, just like what is done in = flex-algo or other documents, detailed control extension and forwarding = mechanism for virtual network (yes ,you can say this doc is not only for = virtual network, but this is exactly what makes me confused. It is not = clear for other purpose) . A new X-awareness framework is really = unnecessary, except for standard strategy. =20 Regards, PSF =20 =20 =E5=8E=9F=E5=A7=8B=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9Ali_zhenqiang@hotmail.com = =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A=E9=99=88=E7=84=B600080434;Dongjie = (Jimmy) ; =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9AJames Guichard = ;spring@ietf.org = ;spring-chairs@ietf.org ; =E6=97=A5 =E6=9C=9F =EF=BC=9A2020=E5=B9=B407=E6=9C=8821=E6=97=A5 12:48 =E4=B8=BB =E9=A2=98 =EF=BC=9ARe: [spring] WG = AdoptionCallfordraft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn _______________________________________________ spring mailing list spring@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring Hi Ran, =20 Thank you very much for your interests in and comments on this draft. =20 Yes, you are right that SR architecture supports resource related SIDs. = So we can specify the resource related framework under SR architecture. = This is the main purpose of this doc. RFC8402 supports resource related = SIDs, but doesn't define them, which are defined in this doc. =20 However, I am afraid I can not agree with you that this doc is mainly to = manage and maintain virtual network resources. The concept and = mechanism of resource-awareness SID is introduced in this doc to enrich = the semantics of SR SID and to enhance the SR architecture. Thanks to = its flexibility and extensibility. Resource related SIDs introduced in this doc can be used to construct = virtual networks, resource isolated pathes, dedicated queques in one = node and so on, which depends on the application scenarios.=20 =20 Since this draft belongs to SPRING WG, IMO it is correct that it focuses = the semantics and functions associated with SR SIDs. The identifier and = mechanisms in control plane could be discussed in the corresponding = protocol WGs as next step. Please pay attention to our related work in = the protocol WGs and you are welcome to present your comments there... = Thanks alot. =20 Best regards, Zhenqiang Li =20 _____ =20 li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com =20 From: chen.ran@zte.com.cn Date: 2020-07-20 17:11 To: jie.dong@huawei.com =20 CC: james.n.guichard ; spring = ; spring-chairs = Subject: Re: [spring]WG Adoption = Callfordraft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn Hi Jie, IMO, the essence of the problem is that an identifier should be = introduced to manage and maintain virtual network resources, not = whether it is necessary to allocate resource related SIDs , because the = current SR architecture already supports resource related SIDs = allocation, there is no limit to that. For example, service SID = (compuated resource related), Node/Adjacency SID(topological resource = related), etc. Especially, SRv6 SID encourages programming anything. Can = we say that these SIDs have no resource meaning? Thus, draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn does not introduce any new = content on the existing SR architecture. =20 For identifier to manage and maintain virtual network resources, = draft-peng-teas-network-slicing firstly to introduce a new identifier = (AII) in the network to unifiedly identify the topology, computing and = storage resource. Before that, other existing identities only focus on = topology resources. =20 Just for topology related resource, Segment Routing with = MTR/Flex-algo/AII all support the division of multiple topological = resource, and already support allocatoin of SID per MT-ID/algorithm/AII. = Especially for link resource, the bandwidth of the same link can be = subdivided into multiple resources.=20 If these subdivided resources exist in the form of sub-interface = resources, L2-bundles(rfc8668) provides the method to assign = adjacency-SID for members, In other words, the allocation of member = adjacency SID has already been aware of these subdivided resources, each = sub-interface has its own link attributes (bandwidth, delay, etc.).=20 If there are no sub-interface, the link can also be shared by multiple = virtual networks to allocate multiple adjacency SIDs. Under the existing = SR architecture, draft-peng-teas-network-slicing and = draft-peng-lsr-algorithm-related-adjacency-sid have already described = the allocation of adjacency SID per AII and algorithm. =20 Obviously, the above SR with MTR/Flex-algo/AII are all complete = solutions, including control plane extensions and forwarding mechanisms, = and they need not make any changes to the SR architecture. I wonder according to draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn, what can we = do under its guidance, or what we can't do without this draft?=20 =20 Regards, Ran =20 =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9ADongjie(Jimmy) =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A=E9=99=88=E7=84=B600080434;james.n.gu= ichard@futurewei.com ;spring@ietf.org = ; =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9Aspring-chairs@ietf.org = ; =E6=97=A5 =E6=9C=9F =EF=BC=9A2020=E5=B9=B407=E6=9C=8816=E6=97=A5 19:50 =E4=B8=BB =E9=A2=98 =EF=BC=9ARE: [spring] WG Adoption = Callfordraft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn Hi Ran, =20 Thanks for your comments. While I don=E2=80=99t quite get your point of = objection. Perhaps you have some misunderstanding about the = relationship of the drafts mentioned. =20 RFC 8402 introduced the topology and service semantics of SR SID, this = document proposed to add resource semantics to SIDs. Then MT or = Flex-Algo are control plane mechanism for the distribution of = topology-specific SIDs... The relationship with these documents are = described in this draft. =20 My reading of draft-peng in LSR and TEAS is that they may provide an = option of control plane extensions for the resource-aware SIDs defined = in this document, which just proves that the enhancement in this = document is in the right direction, and more work based on it could be = done in relevant WGs. =20 Thus my suggestion would be to have the SR enhancement adopted in SPRING = first, then more discussion about its control plane could happen in = other WGs as the next step. =20 =20 Hope this helps. =20 Best regards, Jie =20 From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org]On Behalf Of = chen.ran@zte.com.cn Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 5:20 PM To: james.n.guichard@futurewei.com; spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call = fordraft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn =20 Dear WG, I don't support WG adoption. It is not a new idea for each Virtual Network to have its own SIDs. e.g. The earlist description of the SID be allocated per flex-algorithm = and related metric information was in draft-hegdeppsenak-isis-sr-flex-algo-00(2017.7.17) = (now is draft-ietf-isis-sr-flex-algo) .=20 The earlist description of the SID be allocated per MT was in = draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-04(2014.7...3) (now is RFC8402 ), and draft-peng-lsr-network-slicing-00(2019.2.25) = describe the SID be allocated per AII(alias alice). For slice resources, = = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-peng-teas-network-slicing-03 =20 induced slice-id(AII) for slice resources management, and can = differentiate them (e.g. L2 link or L3 interface, section 7 ), and how to compute SR-BE or SR-TE path according to AII = combined with other criteria. =20 Regards, Ran =20 -----Original Message----- From: spring On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 8:17 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for = draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn Dear WG: =20 This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ = = ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. =20 =20 Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the = WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack = thereof). Silence will not be considered consent. =20 Thanks! =20 Jim, Joel & Bruno =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ spring mailing list spring@ietf.org =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_020A_01D660E6.12017BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Shaofu,

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The resource in this document refers to the data plane resource used = for packet processing. This aligns with the resource reservation concept = in TEAS. This has been clarified in the draft.

 

With SR architecture, SIDs can be used to represent any instructions, = thus using SID to identify a set of network resource complies with the = SR architecture. However, the segments as defined in RFC 8402 and other = documents before this draft did not cover this useful semantic. Thus IMO = this needs to be specified explicitly under the SR architecture first, = so that further work based on resource-aware SIDs can be done in = relevant WGs.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks,

Fengwei Qin

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 = peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8823=E6=97=A5 09:25
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: = li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: = james.n.guichard@futurewei.com; jie.dong@huawei.com; spring@ietf.org; = chen.ran@zte.com.cn; = spring-chairs@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [spring] WG = AdoptionCallfordraft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn

 

Hi = zhenqiang,

 

Resource is a big, all encompassing = concept. Similarly, service concept, application concept, intent = concept, etc, you can find more.

IMO, we can't ignore the fact that the current SR = architecture already cover resource related SID allocation, but to = surmise that it lacks resource meaning, then to submit an unnecessary = and redundant framework.

 

AFAIK, = there have already been several documents that defined the allocation of = SID for specific resouce, for example:

draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo described topology related = resource partition and algorithm based SID allocation, =

L2-bundles(rfc8668) = described the allocation of member adjacency SIDs for subdivided link = resources

draft-peng-teas-network-slicing described slice related = resource partition and corresponding SID = allocation.

All of these = solutions follow the existing SR architecture. Thus it is not the truth = that we all think that the existing SR architecture does not cover = allocating resource-awareness SID and explicitly resource capability or = semantic need to be defined.

I believe there will be more SR based solution in the = future. For simplicity = and refinement, we can not paint the = lily to change the existing architecture at will, ignoring the fact that = it can work and perfect support for every solutions. Otherwise, for some = purpose, someone can also persist that the SR architecture lacks service = meanning, application meaning, intent meanning, etc, then more and more = unnecessary X-awareness framework appear.

 

So let us = focus on specific solutions, i.e, just like what is done in flex-algo or = other documents, detailed control extension and forwarding = mechanism for virtual network (yes ,you can say this doc is not only for = virtual network, but this is exactly what makes me confused. It is not = clear for other purpose) . A new X-awareness framework is really = unnecessary, except for standard strategy.

 

Regards,=

PSF

 

 

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=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC= =9Ali_zhenqiang@hotmail.com = <li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com>

=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC= =9A=E9=99=88=E7=84=B600080434;Dongjie (Jimmy) = <jie.dong@huawei.com>;

=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC= =9AJames = Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com>;spring@ietf.org = <spring@ietf.org>;spring-chairs@ietf.org = <spring-chairs@ietf.org>;

=E6=97=A5 =E6=9C=9F = =EF=BC=9A2020=E5=B9=B407=E6=9C=8821=E6=97=A5 = 12:48

=E4=B8=BB =E9=A2=98 = =EF=BC=9ARe: [spring] WG = AdoptionCallfordraft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn

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Hi Ran,

 

Thank you very much for your interests in and comments on this = draft.

 

Yes, you are right that SR architecture supports resource related = SIDs. So we can specify the resource related framework under SR = architecture.  This is the main purpose of this doc. RFC8402 = supports resource related SIDs, but doesn't  define them, = which are defined in this doc.

 

However, I am afraid I can not agree with you that this doc is mainly = to manage and maintain virtual network resources.  The concept and = mechanism of resource-awareness SID is introduced in this doc to enrich = the semantics of SR SID and to enhance the SR architecture. Thanks = to its flexibility and extensibility.

Resource = related SIDs introduced in this doc can be used to construct virtual = networks, resource isolated pathes, dedicated queques in one node and so = on, which depends on the application scenarios. 

 

Since this draft belongs to SPRING WG, IMO it is correct that it = focuses the semantics and functions associated with SR SIDs. The = identifier and mechanisms in control plane could be discussed in the = corresponding protocol WGs as next step. Please pay attention to our = related work in the protocol WGs and you are welcome to present your = comments there... Thanks alot.

 

Best regards,

Zhenqiang Li

 

li_zhenqian= g@hotmail.com

 

F= rom:&= nbsp;chen.ran@zte.com.cn

D= ate:&= nbsp;2020-07-20 17:11

T= o:&= nbsp;jie.dong@huawei.com

C= C:&= nbsp;james.n.guichard; spring; spring-chairs

S= ubject:&= nbsp;Re: [spring]WG Adoption = Callfordraft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn

<= /div>

Hi = Jie,

IMO, the = essence of the problem is that an identifier should be introduced = to manage and maintain virtual network resources,  not whether it = is necessary to allocate resource related SIDs , because the current SR = architecture already supports resource related SIDs allocation, there is = no limit to that. For example, service SID (compuated resource related), = Node/Adjacency SID(topological resource related), etc. Especially, SRv6 = SID encourages programming anything. Can we say that these SIDs have no = resource meaning?

Thus, = draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn does = not introduce any new content on the existing SR = architecture.

 

For = identifier to manage and maintain virtual network resources, = draft-peng-teas-network-slicing firstly to introduce a new identifier = (AII) in the network to unifiedly identify the topology, computing and = storage resource. Before that, other existing identities only focus on = topology resources.

 

Just for = topology related resource, Segment Routing with MTR/Flex-algo/AII all = support the division of multiple topological resource, and already = support allocatoin of SID per MT-ID/algorithm/AII. Especially for link = resource, the bandwidth of the same link can be subdivided into multiple = resources. 

If these = subdivided resources exist in the form of sub-interface resources, = L2-bundles(rfc8668) provides the method to assign adjacency-SID for = members, In other words, the allocation of member adjacency SID has = already been aware of these subdivided resources, each sub-interface has = its own link attributes (bandwidth, delay, etc.). 

If there are = no sub-interface, the link can also be shared by multiple virtual = networks to allocate multiple adjacency SIDs. Under the existing SR = architecture, draft-peng-teas-network-slicing and = draft-peng-lsr-algorithm-related-adjacency-sid have already described = the allocation of adjacency SID per AII and algorithm.

 

Obviously, = the above SR with MTR/Flex-algo/AII are all complete solutions, = including control plane extensions and forwarding mechanisms, and they = need not make any changes to the SR architecture.

I wonder = according to draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn, what can = we do under its guidance, or what we can't do without this = draft? 

 

Regards,

Ran

 

 

<= /div>

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC= =9ADongjie(Jimmy) = <jie.dong@huawei.com>

=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC= =9A=E9=99=88=E7=84=B600080434;james.n.guichard@futurewei.com = <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com>;spring@ietf.org = <spring@ietf.org>;

=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC= =9Aspring-chairs@ietf.org = <spring-chairs@ietf.org>;

=E6=97=A5 =E6=9C=9F = =EF=BC=9A2020=E5=B9=B407=E6=9C=8816=E6=97=A5 = 19:50

=E4=B8=BB =E9=A2=98 = =EF=BC=9ARE: [spring] WG Adoption = Callfordraft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn

Hi Ran,

 

Thanks for your comments. While I don=E2=80=99t quite get your point = of objection.  Perhaps you have some misunderstanding about the = relationship of the drafts mentioned.

 

RFC 8402 introduced the topology and service semantics of SR SID, = this document proposed to add resource semantics to SIDs. Then MT or = Flex-Algo are control plane mechanism for the distribution of = topology-specific SIDs... The relationship with these documents are = described in this draft.

        

My reading of draft-peng in LSR and TEAS is that they may provide an = option of control plane extensions for the resource-aware SIDs defined = in this document, which just proves that the enhancement in this = document is in the right direction, and more work based on it could be = done in relevant WGs.

 

Thus my suggestion would be to have the SR enhancement adopted in = SPRING first, then more discussion about its control plane could happen = in other WGs as the next step.  

 

Hope this helps.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: spring = [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org]On Behalf Of = chen.ran@zte.com.cn
Sent: = Thursday, July 16, 2020 5:20 PM
To: = james.n.guichard@futurewei.com; spring@ietf.org
Cc: = spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: = Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call = fordraft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn

 

Dear = WG,

I don't support WG = adoption.

It is not a new idea for each = Virtual Network to have its own SIDs.

e.g. The earlist description = of the SID be allocated per flex-algorithm and related = metric

 information was in = draft-hegdeppsenak-isis-sr-flex-algo-00(2017.7.17) (now is = draft-ietf-isis-sr-flex-algo) . 

The earlist description of = the SID be allocated per MT was in = draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-04(2014.7...3)

(now is RFC8402 ), and = draft-peng-lsr-network-slicing-00(2019.2.25) describe the

SID be allocated per = AII(alias alice).  For slice resources,https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-peng-teas-netwo= rk-slicing-03  

induced slice-id(AII) for = slice resources management, and can differentiate them (e.g. L2 link or = L3 interface,

section 7 ), and how to compute SR-BE or SR-TE path according = to AII combined with other criteria.

 

Regards,

Ran

 =


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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, = 2020 8:17 PM
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Subject: [spring] WG Adoption&n= bsp;Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn
Dear WG:

  

This email begins a 2 = ;week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-f= or-enhanced-vpn/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-f= or-enhanced-vpn/>  ending Wednesday 29th = July 2020.  

  

Please speak up if you&nbs= p;support or oppose adopting this document = into the WG. Please also provide comments/r= easons for that support (or lack thereof).&= nbsp;Silence will not be considered consent.

  

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Jim, Joel & Bruno
  

  

  


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, This document seems to talk of "resource group" SIDs that is something inte= resting - specifically for SR-MPLS (I don't see the same relevance for SRv6= ). I support the adoption of (what is coming across to me as) this concept of = a new "resource group" scope for SR SIDs as a work item for the Spring WG. = Rest should be moved into a separate informational document since all of th= at seem unrelated, nothing new and not suitable for a standards track docum= ent. Therefore, the draft needs more work before it is ready for adoption. Following are my more specific comments on this draft: 1. SR SIDs that are scoped to a MT or Algo or MT+Algo combination can al= ready be associated with some "resources" on routers today. There is nothin= g new here to be standardized. If there is interest in the WG for documenti= ng how resources are carved out and assigned to say a Flex-Algo and/or MT s= coped SIDs, it should be in an independent informational document. There se= ems to be a lot of overlap of this with work in the TEAS WG. Much of Sectio= n 2 seems to be of this nature. 1. IGP SR SIDs are today scoped to an MT and Algo. This draft seems to b= e introducing another "resource group" type of scoping within an MT+Algo co= ntext for Prefix and Adjacency SIDs. When packets using SID labels belongin= g to a "resource group" arrive at a router, it helps the router associate t= hose service flows to the QoS profile provisioned for that "resource group"= on that specific link/router. This is what it seems is the whole essence o= f the proposal - but this is not clear in the document. The routing of the= se SIDs is going to follow whatever MT and/or FlexAlgo computation provides= - therefore, I am not sure I understand how these "resource group" SIDs ar= e creating some new "Virtual Network Topology". Isn't this just a "network = slice" of resources? 1. I am not sure how the discussion in Section 3 is bringing in anything= new and again it is purely informational in nature. Perhaps I am not able = to follow the point. 1. Much of Section 4 is also similarly informational in nature and about= how some vendor/operator may want to use "resource group" SIDs. However, i= t does not formally and normatively define this new concept of "resource gr= oup" SIDs. Other implementations and operators may choose to do this diffe= rently - so why standardize this one way? Discussion like assigning/allocat= ion of SIDs, distribution of their information and setting up paths through= the network using these SIDs are basic concepts of SR - not sure if they n= eed description and repetition in a standards track document. 1. Section 5, Scalability is not giving the right picture. The proposal = ends replicating each SID label forwarding entry (e.g. for prefix SID) mult= iplied by each "resource group" on each router simply for the sake of ident= ifying QoS resources for it. That is not really scalable and will end up co= nsuming a large set of label forwarding entries on the routers depending on= the network scale and now many of these "slices" are instantiated. 1. Finally, I have an objection to the use of terms like "enhanced VPN" = and "VPN+" in the document that sound more like marketing terms than techni= cal terminologies. There was a similar comment made by one of the Spring ch= airs for a previous version, but I don't see it being addressed. VPNs might= be but one of the services that can leverage the resource aware SIDs in th= eir underlay. I look forward to responses from the authors and updates to the document to= address these comments. Thanks, Ketan From: spring On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: 15 July 2020 16:47 To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vp= n Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 202= 0. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_MW3PR11MB45703B5474B5AC2CCAE7982FC1760MW3PR11MB4570namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All, =

 

This document seems to talk of R= 20;resource group” SIDs that is something interes= ting – specifically for SR-MPLS (I don’t see the same= relevance for SRv6). 

 

I support the adoption of (what is coming acr= oss to me as) this concept of a new “resource group= 221; scope for SR SIDs as a work item for the Spring WG. Rest sho= uld be moved into a separate informational document since all of = that seem unrelated, nothing new and not suitable for a standards tra= ck document. 

 

Therefore, the draft needs more work bef= ore it is ready for adoption.  =

 

Following are my more specific= comments on this draft: 

 

  1. SR SIDs that are scoped to a MT or Algo or&nb= sp;MT+Algo combination can already be associated with some “reso= urces” on routers today. There is nothing new here to be st= andardized. If there is interest in the WG for documenting how resourc= es are carved out and assigned to say a Flex-Algo and/or MT scoped SIDs, it s= hould be in an independent informational document. There seems to= be a lot of overlap of this with work in the TEAS WG. Much of Section= 2 seems to be of this nature. 

 

  1. IGP SR SIDs are today scoped to an MT and Alg= o. This draft seems to be introducing another “resource group” = type of scoping within an MT+Algo context for Prefix and Adjacenc= y SIDs. When packets using SID labels belonging to a&nb= sp;“resource group” arrive at a router, it helps the router associate those servi= ce flows to the QoS profile provisioned for that “resource group̶= 1; on that specific link/router. This is what it seems = is the whole essence of the proposal – but this is not=  clear in the document.  The routing of these SIDs is going to follow whatever MT and/or FlexA= lgo computation provides – therefore, I am not sure I understand= how these “resource group” SIDs are creating some new&nbs= p;“Virtual Network Topology”. Isn’t this just a R= 20;network slice” of resources? =

 

  1. I am not sure how the discussion in Section 3= is bringing in anything new and again it is purely informational in nature= . Perhaps I am not able to follow the point. 

 

  1. Much of Section 4 is also similarly informati= onal in nature and about how some vendor/operator may want to use= “resource group” SIDs. However, it does not&nbs= p;formally and normatively define this new concept of “resource group= ” SIDs.  Other implementations and operators may choose to do this differently – so= why standardize this one way? Discussion like assigning/all= ocation of SIDs, distribution of their information and setting up paths thr= ough the network using these SIDs are basic concepts of SR - not sure if they need description and repetition in a st= andards track document. 

 

  1. Section 5, Scalability is not giving the righ= t picture. The proposal ends replicating each SID label forwarding entry (e= .g. for prefix SID) multiplied by each “resource group” on each= router simply for the sake of identifying QoS resources for it. That is not really scalable and will end = up consuming a large set of label forwarding entries on the = routers depending on the network scale and now many of these “slices&= #8221; are instantiated. <= /span>

 

  1. Finally, I have an objection to the use = of terms like “enhanced VPN” and “VPN+” in the docu= ment that sound more like marketing terms than technical terminologies= . There was a similar comment made by one of the Spring chairs for a previous version, but I don’t see it being addressed. = ;VPNs might be but one of the services that can leverage the resource aware= SIDs in their underlay. =

 

I look forward to responses from the authors = and updates to the document to address these comments.

 

Thanks, 

Ketan =

&nbs= p;

&nbs= p;

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: 15 July 2020 16:47
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into = the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack ther= eof). Silence will not be considered consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.184.101] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2369d5c5b7af4beabdcf48527d7d4a23huaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:10:51 -0000 --_000_2369d5c5b7af4beabdcf48527d7d4a23huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ketan, Thanks for your comment and support. Please see some replies inline: From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar= (ketant) Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:27 AM To: James Guichard >; spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhance= d-vpn Hi All, This document seems to talk of "resource group" SIDs that is something inte= resting - specifically for SR-MPLS (I don't see the same relevance for SRv6= ). [Jie] SR-MPLS is used in the example described in this document, while the = concept of resource-aware SID is generic to SR, and can be applicable to bo= th SR-MPLS and SRv6. I support the adoption of (what is coming across to me as) this concept of = a new "resource group" scope for SR SIDs as a work item for the Spring WG. = Rest should be moved into a separate informational document since all of th= at seem unrelated, nothing new and not suitable for a standards track docum= ent. [Jie] Thanks for supporting the introduction of resource semantics to SR SI= Ds. A group of SR SIDs with such semantics can be used to build resource guaran= teed SR paths or virtual networks. The mechanism and procedure for resource= guaranteed virtual network is highlighted because the advantage of SR (no = per-path state) can be utilized in per-virtual network resource allocation,= which is more scalable than the per-path resource reservation in RSVP-TE. = Thus it is an important and integral part of this document, as is reflected= in the document title. Therefore, the draft needs more work before it is ready for adoption. Following are my more specific comments on this draft: 1) SR SIDs that are scoped to a MT or Algo or MT+Algo combination can = already be associated with some "resources" on routers today. There is noth= ing new here to be standardized. If there is interest in the WG for documen= ting how resources are carved out and assigned to say a Flex-Algo and/or MT= scoped SIDs, it should be in an independent informational document. There = seems to be a lot of overlap of this with work in the TEAS WG. Much of Sect= ion 2 seems to be of this nature. [Jie] In this document resource refers to the data plane resource for packe= t processing and forwarding, which is not covered in the existing MT/Algo m= echanism. As stated in this document, MT/Algo or the combination can be use= d as the control plane for advertising the topology and the resource attrib= utes of the virtual network, the details of the control plane mechanism and= extensions are specified in separate documents. 2) IGP SR SIDs are today scoped to an MT and Algo. This draft seems to= be introducing another "resource group" type of scoping within an MT+Algo = context for Prefix and Adjacency SIDs. When packets using SID labels belong= ing to a "resource group" arrive at a router, it helps the router associate= those service flows to the QoS profile provisioned for that "resource grou= p" on that specific link/router. This is what it seems is the whole essence= of the proposal - but this is not clear in the document. The routing of t= hese SIDs is going to follow whatever MT and/or FlexAlgo computation provid= es - therefore, I am not sure I understand how these "resource group" SIDs = are creating some new "Virtual Network Topology". Isn't this just a "networ= k slice" of resources? [Jie] As defined in section 1, the resource semantic is one additional dime= nsion represented by SIDs, which means the SID can be used to represent top= ology or function, together with the set of resources used to process the p= acket according to the function. The forwarding behavior of SIDs with both = topology and resource semantics are described in section 2. In summary, the= topology and resource are two aspects of the virtual network described in = this document. 3) I am not sure how the discussion in Section 3 is bringing in anythi= ng new and again it is purely informational in nature.. Perhaps I am not ab= le to follow the point. [Jie] It provides an overview of the associated control plane mechanisms, w= hich is useful information to correlate this document and the control plane= mechanisms needed. The details are provided in the control plane drafts in= corresponding WGs. 4) Much of Section 4 is also similarly informational in nature and abo= ut how some vendor/operator may want to use "resource group" SIDs. However,= it does not formally and normatively define this new concept of "resource = group" SIDs. Other implementations and operators may choose to do this dif= ferently - so why standardize this one way? Discussion like assigning/alloc= ation of SIDs, distribution of their information and setting up paths throu= gh the network using these SIDs are basic concepts of SR - not sure if they= need description and repetition in a standards track document. [Jie] This section provides the procedures of using resource-aware SIDs to = build resource guaranteed virtual networks. These are based on the existing= SR mechanism with procedures related to the allocation of resource-aware S= IDs and the generation of corresponding forwarding entries. The procedure a= nd example in this section is helpful for understanding the relationship an= d difference from the existing SR mechanism. 5) Section 5, Scalability is not giving the right picture. The proposa= l ends replicating each SID label forwarding entry (e..g. for prefix SID) m= ultiplied by each "resource group" on each router simply for the sake of id= entifying QoS resources for it. That is not really scalable and will end up= consuming a large set of label forwarding entries on the routers depending= on the network scale and now many of these "slices" are instantiated. [Jie] It is stated in section 2 that additional SR SIDs are needed to ident= ify the topology and resource associated with different virtual networks. T= he scalability discussion in section 5 compares the SR based approach with = the existing RSVP-TE approach, and shows the benefit of using SR for buildi= ng resource guaranteed virtual networks. For further scalability considerat= ions about the number of virtual networks and its impact, please refer to d= raft-dong-teas-enhanced-vpn-vtn-scalability. 6) Finally, I have an objection to the use of terms like "enhanced VPN= " and "VPN+" in the document that sound more like marketing terms than tech= nical terminologies.. There was a similar comment made by one of the Spring= chairs for a previous version, but I don't see it being addressed. VPNs mi= ght be but one of the services that can leverage the resource aware SIDs in= their underlay. [Jie] The enhanced VPN (VPN+) framework is developed and adopted in TEAS, w= hich aims to provide enhanced VPN service based on VPN and TE technologies = with possible enhancements. Thus enhanced VPN is IETF work in progress, Pr= oviding enhanced VPN service is the motivation of this draft, while as comm= ented by chairs and agreed by coauthors, we have been working to make this = document focusing on the enhancement to SR. The comments from SPRING chair has been resolved in recent updates of the d= raft. In current version enhanced VPN is just mentioned as one service of t= he SR virtual network. I look forward to responses from the authors and updates to the document to= address these comments. [Jie] Hope my above replies help to solve your comments. And as this docume= nt is just in WG adoption, it could be polished further after the adoption. Best regards, Jie Thanks, Ketan From: spring > On B= ehalf Of James Guichard Sent: 15 July 2020 16:47 To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vp= n Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 202= 0. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_2369d5c5b7af4beabdcf48527d7d4a23huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ketan,

 

Thanks for your comment and support. Please see some replies inli= ne:

 

From: spring [mailto:sprin= g-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:27 AM
To: James Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com>; spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org=
Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-= enhanced-vpn

 

Hi All, 

 

This document seems= to talk of “resource group” SIDs that is s= omething interesting – specifically for SR-MPLS (I don= ’t see the same relevance for SRv6). 

 

[Jie] SR-MPLS is used in the example described in this document, whi= le the concept of resource-aware SID is generic to SR, and can be applicabl= e to both SR-MPLS and SRv6.

 

I support the adoption o= f (what is coming across to me as) this concept of a new = 220;resource group” scope for SR SIDs as a work item for th= e Spring WG. Rest should be moved into a separate informational document&nb= sp;since all of that seem unrelated, nothing new and not suitable for a&n= bsp;standards track document. 

 

[Jie] Thanks for supporting the introduction of resource semantics t= o SR SIDs.

 

A group of SR SIDs with such semantics can be used to build resource= guaranteed SR paths or virtual networks. The mechanism and procedure for r= esource guaranteed virtual network is highlighted because the advantage of SR (no per-path state) can be utiliz= ed in per-virtual network resource allocation, which is more scalable than = the per-path resource reservation in RSVP-TE. Thus it is an important and integral part of this document, as is= reflected in the document title.

 

Therefore, the draf= t needs more work before it is ready for adoption.  

 =

Following are my&nb= sp;more specific comments on this draft: <= /o:p>

 

1)      SR SIDs that are scoped to a MT or Algo or MT+Algo&n= bsp;combination can already be associated with some “resources”= on routers today. There is nothing new here to be standardized. If there is interest in the WG for documenting how resources are carv= ed out and assigned to say a Flex-Algo and/or MT scoped SIDs, it should be = in an independent informational document. There seems to be a lot= of overlap of this with work in the TEAS WG. Much of Section 2 seems to be of this nature. 

 

[Jie] In this document resource refers to the data plane resource fo= r packet processing and forwarding, which is not covered in the existing MT= /Algo mechanism. As stated in this document, MT/Algo or the combination can be used as the control plane for advertisin= g the topology and the resource attributes of the virtual network, the deta= ils of the control plane mechanism and extensions are specified in separate= documents.

 

2)      IGP SR SIDs are today scoped to an MT and Algo. This draft se= ems to be introducing another “resource group” type of scoping = within an MT+Algo context for Prefix and Adjacency SIDs. When packets using SID labels belonging to a&nbs= p;“resource group” arrive at a router, it helps the router asso= ciate those service flows to the QoS profile provisioned for that “re= source group” on that specific link/router. This is what it=  seems is the whole essence of the proposal – but this is not clear&= nbsp;in the document.  The routing of these SIDs is going to follow wh= atever MT and/or FlexAlgo computation provides – therefore,= I am not sure I understand how these “resource group” SIDs are= creating some new “Virtual Network Topology”. Isn’t this just a “network slice= ” of resources? 

 

[Jie] As defined in section 1, the resource semantic is one addition= al dimension represented by SIDs, which means the SID can be used to repres= ent topology or function, together with the set of resources used to process the packet according to the function.= The forwarding behavior of SIDs with both topology and resource semantics = are described in section 2. In summary, the topology and resource are two a= spects of the virtual network described in this document.

 =

3)      I am not sure how the discussion in Section 3 is bringing in = anything new and again it is purely informational in nature.. Perhaps = I am not able to follow the point. 

 

[Jie] It provides an overview of the associated control plane mechan= isms, which is useful information to correlate this document and the contro= l plane mechanisms needed. The details are provided in the control plane drafts in corresponding WGs.<= /span>

 

4)      Much of Section 4 is also similarly informational in nature a= nd about how some vendor/operator may want to use “resource= group” SIDs. However, it does not formally and n= ormatively define this new concept of “resource group” SIDs.  O= ther implementations and operators may choose to do this differently –= ; so why standardize this one way? Discussion like assigning= /allocation of SIDs, distribution of their information and setting up paths through the network using these SIDs are basic concepts of SR - not s= ure if they need description and repetition in a standards track = document. 

 

[Jie] This section provides the procedures of using resource-aware S= IDs to build resource guaranteed virtual networks. These are based on the e= xisting SR mechanism with procedures related to the allocation of resource-aware SIDs and the generation of correspondi= ng forwarding entries. The procedure and example in this section is helpful= for understanding the relationship and difference from the existing SR mec= hanism.

 =

5)      Section 5, Scalability is not giving the right picture. The p= roposal ends replicating each SID label forwarding entry (e..g. for prefix = SID) multiplied by each “resource group” on each router simply for the sake of identifying QoS resources for i= t. That is not really scalable and will end up consuming a l= arge set of label forwarding entries on the routers dependin= g on the network scale and now many of these “slices” are = instantiated. <= /span>

 

[Jie] It is stated in section 2 that additional SR SIDs are needed t= o identify the topology and resource associated with different virtual netw= orks. The scalability discussion in section 5 compares the SR based approach with the existing RSVP-TE approach, and s= hows the benefit of using SR for building resource guaranteed virtual netwo= rks. For further scalability considerations about the number of virtual net= works and its impact, please refer to draft-dong-teas-enhanced-vpn-vtn-scalability.<= /p>

 =

6)      Finally, I have an objection to the use of terms like &#= 8220;enhanced VPN” and “VPN+” in the document th= at sound more like marketing terms than technical terminologies.. There was a similar comment made by one of the Spring chairs for a previous&nbs= p;version, but I don’t see it being addressed. VPNs might b= e but one of the services that can leverage the resource aware SIDs in thei= r underlay. 

 

[Jie] The enh= anced VPN (VPN+) framework is developed and adopted in TEAS, which aims= to provide enhanced VPN service based on VPN and TE technologies with poss= ible enhancements. Thus enhanced VPN is IETF work in progress,  Providing enhanced VPN service is the motivat= ion of this draft, while as commented by chairs and agreed by coauthors, we= have been working to make this document focusing on the enhancement to SR.

 

The comments = from SPRING chair has been resolved in recent updates of the draft. In curr= ent version enhanced VPN is just mentioned as one service of the SR virtual= network.

 =

I look forward to respon= ses from the authors and updates to the document to address these comments.=

 

[Jie] Hope my above replies help to solve your comments. A= nd as this document is just in WG adoption, it could be polished further af= ter the adoption.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 =

Thanks, <= o:p>

Ketan 

 

 

From: spring <spring-bo= unces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: 15 July 2020 16:47
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org=
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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Hi all,

 

The agenda for our virtual 1= 08 meeting has been posted. Please let us know if any changes are needed.

 

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To all presenters, please se= nd your slides to spring-chairs@ietf.org no lat= er than the Saturday July 25.

 

Thank you!

 

Best Regards,

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Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 9:56 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
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Best Regards, Huaimo ________________________________ From: spring on behalf of James Guichard Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:16 AM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vp= n Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 202= 0. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_MN2PR13MB3117B4871E3906F8E65AD79FF2740MN2PR13MB3117namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:16 AM
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Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org <spring-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn
 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this doc= ument into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (o= r lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

--_000_MN2PR13MB3117B4871E3906F8E65AD79FF2740MN2PR13MB3117namp_-- From nobody Sat Jul 25 10:19:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E543A0A51; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:19:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fMdvwtxlUsXg; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-il1-x12c.google.com (mail-il1-x12c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8640C3A0D1B; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-il1-x12c.google.com with SMTP id y18so1342777ilp.10; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:19:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=C/ll8b1gkzwdeIPQpRmFRDuPSBFmgnLAhOkThNeNVJ8=; b=r6rs4HluoAGpP1bNny+PzuYclc1K5QXcQJkqSDu+NwbPLhzb+6d9RQ2o3D3lYQF2S3 TqmHg752jdUd0uT2H9YA18MvFjOffxS5qDw693qnlOyPTWhmoJk3wAK0CwYTJiIXbJri XXoW7fH4dLKrqpAMtc/PhPOX2suESbf6SzmGgM4l5WCDldsfVVwJ87rXpP2KzYZ8cIdU xE2n7EjiE2G7Q/p2c/Ocqz0hj0Kp+I0Cu/CMkjweSmbG5/xO9M3O1NKCpxYu2vkzKLFt QQETK6GiZSYkauy9L54a1q50MFxPejiafkQuHg5jNOyPGDjh4ceKKsAzz85iRVj7sXUN Sr0Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=C/ll8b1gkzwdeIPQpRmFRDuPSBFmgnLAhOkThNeNVJ8=; b=eVthHWi8W317D67t4cOqafP+7Ffz9V3yj4QVVcACoyymB+2ZgvI4q73Y3BzqhSSSxF qQlOw5Fhbf5vogBYVjep1PCgouSILw3CI5m72UJoRDDQLx3fmbKxKaoGEv0+k1KIHwU+ 6TvFEXpLatPKdskmouodE1JHRhi8HiOXrAbaUL5UfhGtUtESD/kgDU3Jg52Svb+FYCs/ ycYMx2sC7n3tH0HKSqqK5sBeVnpJaVSKqJ0ng0qJ8J6h+cnS452qw3aZujw8X4T/Orw6 2DGw6oZVyCJyc/FigY/s9FMg8NoLxYdpldZ+5Rqh6AHxK2iEaUgM0TNk2WfJ8lj59o1E Mn+w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531KEkk+XEWFKFYEmSsMoWxfXcpDLwOOaD+T/h7EnI4B02i9XUsX UW0LSs9AAdr3GQN0uhk99AMDMWBsXJhUGfXHR48g5lUr8dk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzFer12ZwxsRtrXyyciT0UlxmYaL5bT5BWUCmNfZrVFspih2bykhC2k4ewLTsu8mFD772sBlU4sheDXbCN91RA= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d450:: with SMTP id r16mr14908475ilm.124.1595697552327; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:19:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:48:35 +0530 Message-ID: To: James Guichard Cc: "spring@ietf.org" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:19:15 -0000 Hi WG, I support the adoption of this work and I have thoughts on how to improve the document - Some questions/comments - - Why do you have the config and the state trees separately in Figures 2 and 3? That's out of fashion with NMDA! - I hope this model is applicable for both the headend router as well as for the controller. If yes, we should highlight that as well as make sure the YANG model takes care of this. For example, counters, path-forwarding_state, etc - I found the top-level container "traffic-engineering" on top as out of place when the rest of the SR-Policy work does not use it. - Regarding segment types, I have a few thoughts - * I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy uses Type A,B,C,..., whereas you use Type 1,2,3.. * Should we use identity here instead of enum, to allow for future segment types to be defined? - Please describe the use of group-id and subgroup-id for disjointness, this was not clear from yang or the text - The constraints currently defined are quite minimal, is there any reason for that? I feel more constraint and optimization criteria should be supported. - How do we relate the information in forwarding-paths to the candidate path? Also, where would the inactive candidate paths received from BGP/PCEP stored in this model (assumption that forwarding-paths are active only)? Maybe segment-lists for dynamic paths should be added as well? Suggestions for improving YANG - - Add references such as during import and important leaves. - Use generic-path-disjointness in ietf-te-types instead of defining a new identity for path-disjointness - Use of identity for protocol-origin-type (instead of enum) to allow other protocols to be added easily - Use of labels as a key in a label stack is incorrect (see grouping mpls-label-stack), as you could have the same label repeated in the stack. - sid-algorithm, color, and name should have its own typedef - Run "pyang -f yang --keep-comments --yang-line-length 69 " to help with formatting. Thanks! Dhruv On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:08 PM James Guichard wrote: > > Dear WG: > > > > This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. > > > > Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jim, Joel & Bruno > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring From nobody Sat Jul 25 10:22:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367693A0A9B; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:22:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ojrg8hNexhdN; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-il1-x133.google.com (mail-il1-x133.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7102C3A0A51; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-il1-x133.google.com with SMTP id b18so4581540ilo.12; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:22:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PfeHi4jD0k23bW3Khw1o2Rk4kLyJQLJ80o4rWbXBrUY=; b=qV5RHLIj5UQt2xtp1GPclIC/ZqJ+A8qrNUTr6QUxEM729GK8skrx2FBYbwcGOm9pod AyiPUg5lF8f8FJtipfmxliOcfcJDJ3Qlouyc2jrBmDGHMzvqhhNnntkk0+yQuxpZc+jf sGBFR/0BjDwd2HLsSKthU9slC96b+3AxqF7NDdvrAgGoP+sb1BtsOia9JD3Gz051ETXe YlmgC0UbmL/qX6twvL2/o+iInDE/d0JpaxKzKRuodjlHAdMtkEWEq+y0Lk3glDZlVtwO MJsRSTyrVD0V1HL7jATO+OwXmu87v4aPr5Ea3FmZUfTPi2YKa5GB/+0K74KICf2yp3Ma e1sg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PfeHi4jD0k23bW3Khw1o2Rk4kLyJQLJ80o4rWbXBrUY=; b=s8+OqOFPYRC0XVbC9+hjRBs18kl7vd5qoKBi9Xh8l9Y8W8J97ZCCkkx83vuq0f++T0 NUbM0vyvR4z/W00xS4whdI68w0/X1l/Y0xCN7uv8OGoK38IOi2x7H7AON3tCtCg/dmpL +vGCp/RCzkzbmiEie2As0secBGUJUDWhmOBKq2DuHRJFGTA5LbcSqkUsoNWzyLA30hWn 2fv3IUkj6+Zn19qG2UVe5VJul8Ni20Us/3YV/EX1mxGWLoQiE3JWEYLO6ha/+JC++VH7 oHXhTYKr7oDgXMbR0qqDU1rJtmlc0QT4pZQ4FqDhKMXcOC4/AWosBicGiQEPMtxtzxXJ sZcA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532ixOClKdHiN/jDEMvv0e9Xv0JjK7UmQoQ4aWnhdF4ecFl1olyL wmP7ISc4OSN9zqBQirKo9qK95DZmRyjLKOvfu34= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxUrrkoXJRnO+82zIbhSQNu0OD8j8QXi2pkswMebwIKYy8Q6P6c3iAJavWXYWHgtjWGVKFyEFtp4DgWTtUwb9M= X-Received: by 2002:a92:c087:: with SMTP id h7mr15025717ile.279.1595697743655; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:22:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:51:47 +0530 Message-ID: To: James Guichard Cc: "spring@ietf.org" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:22:26 -0000 Hi WG, I support the adoption of this work and I have thoughts on how to improve the document - Some questions/comments - - Can the title of the I-D be improved? - Why do you have the config and the state trees separately in Figures 1 and 2? That's out of fashion with NMDA! - I hope this model is applicable for both the headend router as well as for the controller. If yes, we should highlight that as well as make sure the YANG model takes care of this. For example, counters, forwarding, etc - The node-capabilities are marked as read-only, but an operator may want to disable or enable these right? Suggestions for improving YANG - - Update copyright year - path-attrs-cmn is described as "Path properties -common for v4/v6", in that case, is this the right yang model for it? and should it be in the generic SR model instead? - Typedef for algorithm could be useful, it is unit32 here but uint8 in draft-ietf-spring-sr-yang - What is the purpose of the empty containers end, end_psp, end_usp, end_psp_usp, end_usd, end_psp_usd, end_usp_usd, end_psp_usp_usd? Are they placeholders for something? - Run this "pyang -f yang --keep-comments --yang-line-length 69 " to help you with formatting the yang model. Thanks! Dhruv On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 3:22 AM James Guichard wrote: > > Dear WG: > > > > This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. > > > > Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jim, Joel & Bruno > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring From nobody Sat Jul 25 10:27:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFDC3A0D28; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:27:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YdpATubJHrvy; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pl1-x62b.google.com (mail-pl1-x62b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 809303A0D27; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x62b.google.com with SMTP id o1so6116622plk.1; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:27:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=PrRCDFkIrVBoC/wH67PConWKttBlLBh8bojL6FqCgmQ=; b=jAOm5ZAgVff+0aAjcajMS1pp2BSuoFq6R9At7Fn8FVOEzsmZbTNDI5XONsixPZkZoH YaN6qskrBd3BjW3QwWHCFMOhXg1qYj8O3tyjzLLuyTWtRyUfEDrtsXs0AwP9O+i9afJY aUZ5Y5Px63tivdbKpGIgYa6/wdU3jUWkmPRyFc/7SvgEsbt3FIJcGTxnx7+3e12JI1wQ pjBLvSLnW3vL+IQuAoQdYo3C1pyjd1eF3XnAOoDx1WOqY2ZT+KMHDzZewwLKxQjN7NuL xpl7TEiZHnL9REFYS9hidBSlM5O4OtHMB8oRr+MUIFUN89omGyT3FNt1B/R0ZJCioTGR wKjA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=PrRCDFkIrVBoC/wH67PConWKttBlLBh8bojL6FqCgmQ=; b=SXsbtG4S70FeU3LYcD8zrj6b2F20FSWmWUTYd2tr9FKP6BByUBaKht6F3fuC1tU5kS pNc/R0B8/CPtXPoP3s4rgn1IorSaT0ggg+sSwFaNSP2fbpkN0SJwvqe0I0XfUH1zfhJR kTfZcWnnVk85lphxHY/IMnZUCeLgz788wDN3i2d50s0Oy7s/hXhbPY7cGx6Cwm7aTZeT wTQL4MoSC2TjjODJNSWBzXfIzcxpoY8hYqaCY0zaF82ZXzTThio0/9OGEt55SPPZqCx+ MBRGX+GZj/s4nr4lyAInBk2+dSaO17y7RsIpshuE+jqCxm3aPMWoKi2P73qSRX9Ryn2E d5rQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532aCarX40l8nqDpfyp8+P25c7b0i0Fx3lTlqwZFnznIaN+tCp3Y zQZNNMw/tgU9Ahf+urIXTF0a8woZfX0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwLCR8LiRyyycLOjAkDzdQOnHqgfaMAilnY8eBx7uBz/KT7m0jeS1LXD/MC1ut1wgxYPY8e1w== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:6946:: with SMTP id j6mr9630159pjm.223.1595698040534; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.8] (c-73-63-232-212.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [73.63.232.212]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c125sm9510713pfa.119.2020.07.25.10.27.19 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Tantsura Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:27:18 -0700 Message-Id: <6E3B7EB4-6BC7-4BE4-82A7-A09160D9140C@gmail.com> References: Cc: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: To: Dhruv Dhody X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17F80) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:27:24 -0000 Very much with Dhruv here. While the work is important and should be progressing, overall quality could= be significantly improved. Please use draft-ietf-spring-sr-yang as the example. Regards, Jeff > On Jul 25, 2020, at 10:22, Dhruv Dhody wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFHi WG, >=20 > I support the adoption of this work and I have thoughts on how to > improve the document - >=20 > Some questions/comments - > - Can the title of the I-D be improved? > - Why do you have the config and the state trees separately in Figures > 1 and 2? That's out of fashion with NMDA! > - I hope this model is applicable for both the headend router as well > as for the controller. If yes, we should highlight that as well as > make sure the YANG model takes care of this. For example, counters, > forwarding, etc > - The node-capabilities are marked as read-only, but an operator may > want to disable or enable these right? >=20 > Suggestions for improving YANG - > - Update copyright year > - path-attrs-cmn is described as "Path properties -common for v4/v6", > in that case, is this the right yang model for it? and should it be in > the generic SR model instead? > - Typedef for algorithm could be useful, it is unit32 here but uint8 > in draft-ietf-spring-sr-yang > - What is the purpose of the empty containers end, end_psp, end_usp, > end_psp_usp, end_usd, end_psp_usd, end_usp_usd, end_psp_usp_usd? Are > they placeholders for something? > - Run this "pyang -f yang --keep-comments --yang-line-length 69 > " to help you with formatting the yang model. >=20 > Thanks! > Dhruv >=20 >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 3:22 AM James Guichard >> wrote: >>=20 >> Dear WG: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the W= G. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). 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Hope the authors/WG find these comments useful - (1) I would like to see this work provide more guidance for the protocol extensions - - Virtual network identifiers and its scope - Identifiers for resource partition - Virtual network creation/deletion/modify (also recompute because of network or resource changes) - manageability consideration wrt to configuring resource-aware SIDs/virtual networks (2) Can I have a mix of resource-aware SIDs and normal SIDs in an SR Path? Worth expanding on this. (3) Worth expanding on the dynamic allocation of SIDs by network nodes in section 3. (4) SR Policy should also need to be Virtual-network-aware and how steering happens to a VN-aware SR policy could be clarified. Thanks! Dhruv On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 4:47 PM James Guichard wrote: > > Dear WG: > > > > This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. > > > > Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jim, Joel & Bruno > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring From nobody Sat Jul 25 10:49:16 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780923A0D62 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:49:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.12 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.12 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5lZKi7yPrS42 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailb2.tigertech.net (mailb2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E10C3A0D63 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDYV11l73z1ntfH for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:49:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1595699353; bh=CmPRgeRj0NjQMTbCFfPE+9G8gYwtVuy52Zqrks/XuZc=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=bHy/OCe2r7qgIOIrLg+mtnnJY3l1+HcM+EW1U000wjCgOjUa8qySe7ByP52/P/Fm9 leA9H+forP0fyZcx/LyP3VxtscAqaU94UMHcivh5BN1rKeJVfWN/no3KtJSd2mpaK+ 3s36j+j+w8dTJ24xBhAavjsgYfJuE5worbw+5cGc= X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at b2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BDYV05wBVz1ntcy for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:49:12 -0700 (PDT) To: "spring@ietf.org" From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: <9175c5f7-0f1a-38db-55e5-0a0255a43622@joelhalpern.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:49:10 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [spring] Dynamic Proxy in SR service programming X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:49:14 -0000 In looking at the description of the dyanmic proxy behavior, I was reminded of a problem that the SFC working group wrestled with and never resolved to our satisfaction. (In the SFC case, since we were not specifying the behavior of the proxy, we could leave it to implementors. This document seems to be more specific.) As I understand the draft, the dyanicm proxy for a non-SR aware service function can be handling packets subject ot multiple service policies. That is desirable. These separate policies will have separate cache entries. Also good. But as far as I can tell, the re-attachment of the cached header to the returned packet (from the non-SR aware SF) is done based on first come, first cache. What happens if, due to differences in internal processing, packets from different service policies get swapped in time. So packets go in Packet-1, Packet-2, but come out Packet-2, Packet-1. The text seems to result in the proxy reattaching the SR information to the wrong packets? Am I misreading the text? Depending upon ones, reading, this may apply to a case where a single device is service as multiple static proxies for a single non-SR aware SF. It was not clear if that was intended to be allowed, but if so the same issue would seem to apply. Yours, Joel From nobody Sat Jul 25 11:23:16 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D10C3A081C for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 11:23:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.12 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.12 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tjsQHnJPP4Is for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 11:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19EF43A081B for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 11:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDZFF6dx6z6G8pq for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 11:23:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1595701393; bh=X7SXzefR//3Qfh97egwSy0mqGzZDNyWTC3REJOanrx8=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=aB+6vlcG0hwDza8HHJ6BY9W84H5XliH9ZHFD3jSDIZahzPwq9ULwDT9PnDswgVW25 +G7vPkwbDl48S13uKSWWh9SvbxDW2WoOBmoUMVA6VbfoE8oOCBt5QfGXzATPVRbY0K VDiguYZe5sDgyuRHftp1mSEA84bSCAnxFIEDkeW0= X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at a2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BDZFF3hW9z6G7LF for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 11:23:12 -0700 (PDT) To: "spring@ietf.org" From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: <3c542370-c7dd-9ec2-8120-186f24b993b2@joelhalpern.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:23:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [spring] General Proxy behavior in SR Service Programming X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 18:23:15 -0000 Let me start by saying that I understand and support what the draft is trying to do. While I like SFC, I am under no illusions that it is or should be the only answer to service chaining / service programming. Further, I understand what the proxies are for. They seem necessary. To deploy this stuff, we have to be able to work with older equipment. Proxies seem the best way to do so. The document is even clear that proxy is a new kind of thing. Good. In order to do its job, and as I read this document, the SR proxies (of various kinds) violate the rules for MPLS processing, SRH processing, and IPv6 processing at various points. They have to. It seems to me that we need to accept this requirement, and state it clearly. Most likely, this would suggest that we will want some form of signoff from the MPLS and 6man working groups that these violations, for these specific reasons, are acceptable to the community. Personally, I would rather have the discussion soon, rather than pretending it is a non-issue and having the discussion during IETF last call. Maybe I am misreading, and things are less conflicted. That would be great. 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For this, it=92s important to be able to identify transiting traffic as bel= onging to a specific slice so as to impose the specific behavior upon forwa= rding the traffic on the associated resources. This draft is proposing to allocate/assign different labels/SIDs (per topol= ogical element =96 either node or link) to identify the specific resource p= er slice and the respective forwarding behavior. This may work for smaller networks (and for limited number of slices), but = there are concerns that it would run into scale problems (related to # of r= equired labels to allocate and amount of IGP state required for the differe= nt SIDs) - as number of topological elements in the network grows and numbe= r of vertical/ horizontal slices grows. It might be useful to define a mechanism by which specific allocated resour= ces for a given link or node are to be identified and not describe how virt= ual network topologies are to be constructed. This is because the topologie= s are not necessarily virtual and because there are a multiplicity of uses = for this mechanism beyond constructing subsets of the underlay network topo= logy. We believe encoding the slice identifier separate from the forwarding instr= uction can yield better scale and still allow for steering on the specific = resource. We intend to publish something along those lines in the coming ne= xt couple of weeks to gather more feedback. Regards, Tarek From: spring on behalf of James Guichard Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 7:17 AM To: "spring@ietf.org" Cc: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vp= n Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 202= 0. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_DM5PR1901MB2150139D3BA8F4A10127010AFC740DM5PR1901MB2150_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi WG,<= o:p>

&n= bsp;

This do= cument is touching important topics regarding forwarding on specific set of= resources in the network (such as those that define a network slice).=

For thi= s, it=92s important to be able to identify transiting traffic as belonging = to a specific slice so as to impose the specific behavior upon forwarding t= he traffic on the associated resources.

&n= bsp;

This dr= aft is proposing to allocate/assign different labels/SIDs (per topological = element =96 either node or link) to identify the specific resource per slic= e and the respective forwarding behavior.

This ma= y work for smaller networks (and for limited number of slices), but there a= re concerns that it would run into scale problems (related to # of required= labels to allocate and amount of IGP state required for the different SIDs) - as number of topological elements= in the network grows and number of vertical/ horizontal slices grows.=

&n= bsp;

It migh= t be useful to define a mechanism by which specific allocated resources for= a given link or node are to be identified and not describe how virtual net= work topologies are to be constructed. This is because the topologies are not necessarily virtual and because the= re are a multiplicity of uses for this mechanism beyond constructing subset= s of the underlay network topology.

 <= o:p>

We beli= eve encoding the slice identifier separate from the forwarding instruction = can yield better scale and still allow for steering on the specific resourc= e. We intend to publish something along those lines in the coming next couple of weeks to gather more feedback.

&n= bsp;

Regards= ,

Tarek

 

 

From: spring <spring-b= ounces@ietf.org> on behalf of James Guichard <james.n.guichard@future= wei.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 7:17 AM
To: "spring@ietf.org" <spring@ietf.org>
Cc: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" <spring-chairs@ietf.org>= ;
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 wee= k WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you su= pport or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide com= ments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be consi= dered consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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The date and times (which are also posted on the IETF 108 Agenda) are: Monday, July 27, 16:00-17:00 UTC WebEx: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m13c41ae118e538b6d25efb25d41307ee Tuesday, July 28, 09:30-10:30 UTC WebEx: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m6132b48c3eac5469a41043ce55dada20 Thursday, July 30, 20:00-21:00 UTC WebEx: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j..php?MTID=mf7ce451931e35818fd7b3bf44abd1026 In addition to being available by WebEx, those of us who can will simultaneously be on Gather.Town (possibly in a special NomCom corner). To find us, the easiest way is to go to the Participants list (at right of the Gather screen), find "Barbara Stark", left click on my name and select "Locate". See you next week! 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Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9175c5f7-0f1a-38db-55e5-0a0255a43622@joelhalpern.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Language: it-IT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.0 at smtp-2015 X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Dynamic Proxy in SR service programming X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 00:32:00 -0000 Il 2020-07-25 19:49, Joel M. Halpern ha scritto: > > > In looking at the description of the dyanmic proxy behavior, I was > reminded of a problem that the SFC working group wrestled with and never > resolved to our satisfaction.  (In the SFC case, since we were not > specifying the behavior of the proxy, we could leave it to implementors. >  This document seems to be more specific.) > > As I understand the draft, the dyanicm proxy for a non-SR aware service > function can be handling packets subject ot multiple service policies. > That is desirable.  These separate policies will have separate cache > entries.  Also good. > But as far as I can tell, the re-attachment of the cached header to the > returned packet (from the non-SR aware SF) is done based on first come, > first cache. Hi Joel, I'm speaking as an author of draft-ietf-spring-sr-service-programming-02 (but I do not know if my opinion is agreed by all the authors) my understanding of the dynamic proxy scenario is that a given "non-SR aware service function" (aka "legacy VNF") can be associated with a single Service Chain at a given time so you can dynamically change the Service Chain by sending a Packet-2 with a different SR policy with respect to Packet-1, but this is meant to change the Service Chain for the following packets of the flow, rather than to operate on a packet-by-packet basis you are right that operating on a packet-by-packet basis leads to inconsistent behavior! In draft-ietf-spring-sr-service-programming-02, the following limitation is associated to the static SR proxy, but it also applies to the dynamic proxy: However, a static SR proxy segment can be used in only one service policy at a time. As opposed to most other segment types, a static SR proxy segment is bound to a unique list of segments, which represents a directed SR service policy. This is due to the cached SR information being defined in the segment configuration. This limitation only prevents multiple segment lists from using the same static SR proxy segment at the same time, but a single segment list can be shared by any number of traffic flows. This is he description of the dynamic proxy: The dynamic proxy is an improvement over the static proxy that dynamically learns the SR information before removing it from the incoming traffic. Maybe it would be better to explicitly clarify that the same limitation of the static SR proxy is applicable: "only one service policy at a time"... the difference is that you can change this association dynamically, e.g. in the order of few seconds but NOT on a packet-by-packet basis hope that it clarifies... ciao Stefano > What happens if, due to differences in internal processing, packets from > different service policies get swapped in time.  So packets go in > Packet-1, Packet-2, but come out Packet-2, Packet-1.  The text seems to > result in the proxy reattaching the SR information to the wrong packets? > > Am I misreading the text? > > Depending upon ones, reading, this may apply to a case where a single > device is service as multiple static proxies for a single non-SR aware > SF.  It was not clear if that was intended to be allowed, but if so the > same issue would seem to apply. > > Yours, > Joel > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring -- ******************************************************************* Stefano Salsano Professore Associato Dipartimento Ingegneria Elettronica Universita' di Roma Tor Vergata Viale Politecnico, 1 - 00133 Roma - ITALY http://netgroup.uniroma2.it/Stefano_Salsano/ E-mail : stefano.salsano@uniroma2.it Cell. : +39 320 4307310 Office : (Tel.) +39 06 72597770 (Fax.) +39 06 72597435 ******************************************************************* From nobody Sat Jul 25 17:56:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9543A0475 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:56:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nNOAukE4pcHK for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCF4C3A045B for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDkzJ4wBlz6G932; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:56:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1595725004; bh=ONzoiuQkTtzRSlnXD+0xBkkM0Si3S0/TWi36Wu8xoKI=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=qc4Jw6XPc/biq+EoPm2EuNXNZOydphCrqtY67vqlRNliMBUUAH+ZSZClVg2mXk0jT b+Si5yG9woxgJLShJzpku+vOjliQnLEXuoYQXpZ6TvCLN4wJ8JjdKyhWlF8oQvLCZJ Rxi3YrZEOl54X99Iy77lMbNAb1LVwMVUpObhL5/Q= X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at a2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BDkzJ0F9bz6G7Mk; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:56:43 -0700 (PDT) To: Stefano Salsano , spring@ietf.org References: <9175c5f7-0f1a-38db-55e5-0a0255a43622@joelhalpern.com> From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: <47f13681-caf9-64ed-8ca7-604f4d552983@joelhalpern.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:56:42 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Dynamic Proxy in SR service programming X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 00:56:48 -0000 Thank you. That does clarify, and it would probably be good to be explicit in the document. (The restriction makes sense, we just need to be clear.) Yours, Joel On 7/25/2020 8:31 PM, Stefano Salsano wrote: > Il 2020-07-25 19:49, Joel M. Halpern ha scritto: >> >> >> In looking at the description of the dyanmic proxy behavior, I was >> reminded of a problem that the SFC working group wrestled with and >> never resolved to our satisfaction.  (In the SFC case, since we were >> not specifying the behavior of the proxy, we could leave it to >> implementors.   This document seems to be more specific.) >> >> As I understand the draft, the dyanicm proxy for a non-SR aware >> service function can be handling packets subject ot multiple service >> policies. That is desirable.  These separate policies will have >> separate cache entries.  Also good. >> But as far as I can tell, the re-attachment of the cached header to >> the returned packet (from the non-SR aware SF) is done based on first >> come, first cache. > > Hi Joel, > > I'm speaking as an author of draft-ietf-spring-sr-service-programming-02 > (but I do not know if my opinion is agreed by all the authors) > > my understanding of the dynamic proxy scenario is that a given "non-SR > aware service function" (aka "legacy VNF") can be associated with a > single Service Chain at a given time > > so you can dynamically change the Service Chain by sending a Packet-2 > with a different SR policy with respect to Packet-1, but this is meant > to change the Service Chain for the following packets of the flow, > rather than to operate on a packet-by-packet basis > > you are right that operating on a packet-by-packet basis leads to > inconsistent behavior! > > In draft-ietf-spring-sr-service-programming-02, the following limitation > is associated to the static SR proxy, but it also applies to the dynamic > proxy: > >    However, a static SR proxy >    segment can be used in only one service policy at a time.  As opposed >    to most other segment types, a static SR proxy segment is bound to a >    unique list of segments, which represents a directed SR service >    policy.  This is due to the cached SR information being defined in >    the segment configuration.  This limitation only prevents multiple >    segment lists from using the same static SR proxy segment at the same >    time, but a single segment list can be shared by any number of >    traffic flows. > > This is he description of the dynamic proxy: > >    The dynamic proxy is an improvement over the static proxy that >    dynamically learns the SR information before removing it from the >    incoming traffic. > > Maybe it would be better to explicitly clarify that the same limitation > of the static SR proxy is applicable: "only one service policy at a > time"... the difference is that you can change this association > dynamically, e.g. in the order of few seconds but NOT on a > packet-by-packet basis > > hope that it clarifies... > > ciao > Stefano > > >> What happens if, due to differences in internal processing, packets >> from different service policies get swapped in time.  So packets go in >> Packet-1, Packet-2, but come out Packet-2, Packet-1.  The text seems >> to result in the proxy reattaching the SR information to the wrong >> packets? >> >> Am I misreading the text? >> >> Depending upon ones, reading, this may apply to a case where a single >> device is service as multiple static proxies for a single non-SR aware >> SF.  It was not clear if that was intended to be allowed, but if so >> the same issue would seem to apply. >> >> Yours, >> Joel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> spring mailing list >> spring@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > From nobody Sat Jul 25 19:05:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17FB3A08A5; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 19:05:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UJx7Cgp2SXhU; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 19:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B8AA3A07D6; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 19:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml737-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 96CAE44466DBB190F9E2; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 03:05:31 +0100 (IST) Received: from dggeme704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.100) by lhreml737-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.187) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 03:05:30 +0100 Received: from dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.100) by dggeme704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.100) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 10:05:28 +0800 Received: from dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.77]) by dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.77]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 10:05:28 +0800 From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" To: Dhruv Dhody , James Guichard CC: "spring@ietf.org" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn Thread-Index: AdZalG5COYT8S7GISwGDbTxQ2h/PJgH0XK8AACIsAAA= Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 02:05:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.222.145] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 02:05:36 -0000 Hi Dhruv,=20 Thanks for your support and comments. Please see some replies inline: > -----Original Message----- > From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 1:28 AM > To: James Guichard > Cc: spring@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for > draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn >=20 > Hi WG, >=20 > I support adoption on this work, it is in good shape to be adopted to be = in the > working group control. Hope the authors/WG find these comments useful - >=20 > (1) I would like to see this work provide more guidance for the protocol > extensions - > - Virtual network identifiers and its scope > - Identifiers for resource partition > - Virtual network creation/deletion/modify (also recompute because of > network or resource changes) > - manageability consideration wrt to configuring resource-aware SIDs/virt= ual > networks Agree that some more information about the above could be provided in the d= ocument, and some may be specified in the corresponding control plane draft= s.=20 >=20 > (2) Can I have a mix of resource-aware SIDs and normal SIDs in an SR Path= ? > Worth expanding on this. Yes it is possible to have them mixed in SR path, the usage is up to the re= quirement and policy.=20 >=20 > (3) Worth expanding on the dynamic allocation of SIDs by network nodes in > section 3. OK. >=20 > (4) SR Policy should also need to be Virtual-network-aware and how steeri= ng > happens to a VN-aware SR policy could be clarified. Yes, SR policy with virtual network constraints is mentioned in 4.3, furthe= r clarification could be added.=20 Best regards, Jie >=20 > Thanks! > Dhruv >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 4:47 PM James Guichard > wrote: > > > > Dear WG: > > > > > > > > This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ > ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. > > > > > > > > Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into th= e > WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereo= f). > Silence will not be considered consent. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Jim, Joel & Bruno > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > spring mailing list > > spring@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring >=20 > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring From nobody Sat Jul 25 19:35:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A953A0916; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 19:35:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S-0YHwAV6tGd; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 19:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F1173A090E; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 19:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml737-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 101C8A9D9ABFB4E372A0; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 03:35:22 +0100 (IST) Received: from dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.100) by lhreml737-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.187) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 03:35:21 +0100 Received: from dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.100) by dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.100) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 10:35:18 +0800 Received: from dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.77]) by dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.77]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 10:35:18 +0800 From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" To: Tarek Saad , James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn Thread-Index: AdZalG5COYT8S7GISwGDbTxQ2h/PJgH3ejEAAB+7zPA= Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 02:35:18 +0000 Message-ID: <67ddb317132b4925899987941e4f3126@huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.222.145] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_67ddb317132b4925899987941e4f3126huaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 02:35:27 -0000 --_000_67ddb317132b4925899987941e4f3126huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tarek, Thanks for your comment, please see some replies inline: From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tarek Saad Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 2:57 AM To: James Guichard ; spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhance= d-vpn Hi WG, This document is touching important topics regarding forwarding on specific= set of resources in the network (such as those that define a network slice= ). For this, it's important to be able to identify transiting traffic as belon= ging to a specific slice so as to impose the specific behavior upon forward= ing the traffic on the associated resources. This draft is proposing to allocate/assign different labels/SIDs (per topol= ogical element - either node or link) to identify the specific resource per= slice and the respective forwarding behavior. This may work for smaller networks (and for limited number of slices), but = there are concerns that it would run into scale problems (related to # of r= equired labels to allocate and amount of IGP state required for the differe= nt SIDs) - as number of topological elements in the network grows and numbe= r of vertical/ horizontal slices grows. [Jie] Glad to know that you also think this is an important topic and can b= e useful for cases such as network slicing (while its applicability is gene= ral). This document describes the SR based mechanism for this. As mentioned= in section 2 of this document, it requires additional SIDs and SRv6 Locato= rs to be allocated, thus its applicability is for scenarios with limited nu= mber of virtual networks. The amount of IGP state is discussed in the relev= ant control plane drafts in LSR WG. It might be useful to define a mechanism by which specific allocated resour= ces for a given link or node are to be identified and not describe how virt= ual network topologies are to be constructed. This is because the topologie= s are not necessarily virtual and because there are a multiplicity of uses = for this mechanism beyond constructing subsets of the underlay network topo= logy. We believe encoding the slice identifier separate from the forwarding instr= uction can yield better scale and still allow for steering on the specific = resource. We intend to publish something along those lines in the coming ne= xt couple of weeks to gather more feedback. [Jie] The scalability topic is further described in draft-dong-teas-enhance= d-vpn-vtn-scalability in TEAS WG, which also provides some guidance for opt= imization, your review and comment to it are welcome. Thanks. Best regards, Jie Regards, Tarek From: spring > on b= ehalf of James Guichard > Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 7:17 AM To: "spring@ietf.org" > Cc: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" > Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vp= n Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 202= 0. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). = Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno --_000_67ddb317132b4925899987941e4f3126huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Tarek,

 

Thanks for your comment, please see some replies inline:

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tarek Saad
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 2:57 AM
To: James Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com>; spring@ie= tf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-= enhanced-vpn

 

Hi WG,

 

This document is touching important topics regarding forwarding on = specific set of resources in the network (such as those that define a netwo= rk slice).

For this, it’s important to be able to identify transiting tr= affic as belonging to a specific slice so as to impose the specific behavio= r upon forwarding the traffic on the associated resources.

 

This draft is proposing to allocate/assign different labels/SIDs (p= er topological element – either node or link) to identify the specifi= c resource per slice and the respective forwarding behavior.

This may work for smaller networks (and for limited number of slice= s), but there are concerns that it would run into scale problems (related t= o # of required labels to allocate and amount of IGP state required for the different SIDs) - as number of topolo= gical elements in the network grows and number of vertical/ horizontal slic= es grows.

 

[Jie] Glad to know that you also think this is an important topic= and can be useful for cases such as network slicing (while its applicabili= ty is general). This document describes the SR based mechanism for this. As mentioned in section 2 of this documen= t, it requires additional SIDs and SRv6 Locators to be allocated, thus its = applicability is for scenarios with limited number of virtual networks. The= amount of IGP state is discussed in the relevant control plane drafts in LSR WG.

 

It might be useful to define a mechanism by which specific allocate= d resources for a given link or node are to be identified and not describe = how virtual network topologies are to be constructed. This is because the topologies are not necessarily virtual= and because there are a multiplicity of uses for this mechanism beyond con= structing subsets of the underlay network topology.

 

We believe encoding the slice identifier separate from the forwardi= ng instruction can yield better scale and still allow for steering on the s= pecific resource. We intend to publish something along those lines in the coming next couple of weeks to gather m= ore feedback.

 

[Jie] The scalability topic is further described in draft-dong-te= as-enhanced-vpn-vtn-scalability in TEAS WG, which also provides some guidan= ce for optimization, your review and comment to it are welcome. Thanks.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

Regards,

Tarek

 

 

From: spri= ng <spring-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of James Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 7:17 AM
To: "spring@ietf.org&quo= t; <spring@ietf.org>
Cc: "spring-chairs@ie= tf.org" <spring-chair= s@ietf.org>
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn

 

De= ar WG:

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Th= is email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

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Pl= ease speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG. = Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Si= lence will not be considered consent.

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Th= anks!

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Ji= m, Joel & Bruno

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This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF. Title : SR Replication Segment for Multi-point Service Delivery Authors : Daniel Voyer (editor) Clarence Filsfils Rishabh Parekh Hooman Bidgoli Zhaohui Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-spring-sr-replication-segment-00.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2020-07-26 Abstract: This document describes the SR Replication segment for Multi-point service delivery. A SR Replication segment allows a packet to be replicated from a replication node to downstream nodes. 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Halpern" Message-ID: <0c20cb09-d02a-0405-a631-469f782c578b@joelhalpern.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 15:36:41 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <421B04D6-14B1-4A46-A2B9-93B999A5424F@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Dynamic Proxy in SR service programming X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 19:36:46 -0000 Thank you. I think it would help if this were spelled out more clearly in the draft. Yours, Joel On 7/26/2020 3:32 PM, Francois Clad (fclad) wrote: > Hi Joel, > > Thank you for your email. > > At high-level, the dynamic proxy combines a caching mechanism with a mapping scheme that associates cache entries to packets or flows. > > There are many possible mapping schemes, each has pros and cons that make it more suitable in some environments and less in others. This I-D describes a simple one, which is interface-based (or VLAN-based), and implies that a dynamic proxy SID is used in a single SID-list at a time. This makes it particularly suitable for container-based environments, where VNFs are spawned on a per-SFC basis. > > In different environments, other mapping techniques could be used, such as those described in draft-song-sfc-legacy-sf-mapping. > > Cheers, > Francois > > > On 26/07/2020 02:57, "spring on behalf of Joel M. Halpern" wrote: > > Thank you. That does clarify, and it would probably be good to be > explicit in the document. (The restriction makes sense, we just need to > be clear.) > > Yours, > Joel > > On 7/25/2020 8:31 PM, Stefano Salsano wrote: > > Il 2020-07-25 19:49, Joel M. Halpern ha scritto: > >> > >> > >> In looking at the description of the dyanmic proxy behavior, I was > >> reminded of a problem that the SFC working group wrestled with and > >> never resolved to our satisfaction. (In the SFC case, since we were > >> not specifying the behavior of the proxy, we could leave it to > >> implementors. This document seems to be more specific.) > >> > >> As I understand the draft, the dyanicm proxy for a non-SR aware > >> service function can be handling packets subject ot multiple service > >> policies. That is desirable. These separate policies will have > >> separate cache entries. Also good. > >> But as far as I can tell, the re-attachment of the cached header to > >> the returned packet (from the non-SR aware SF) is done based on first > >> come, first cache. > > > > Hi Joel, > > > > I'm speaking as an author of draft-ietf-spring-sr-service-programming-02 > > (but I do not know if my opinion is agreed by all the authors) > > > > my understanding of the dynamic proxy scenario is that a given "non-SR > > aware service function" (aka "legacy VNF") can be associated with a > > single Service Chain at a given time > > > > so you can dynamically change the Service Chain by sending a Packet-2 > > with a different SR policy with respect to Packet-1, but this is meant > > to change the Service Chain for the following packets of the flow, > > rather than to operate on a packet-by-packet basis > > > > you are right that operating on a packet-by-packet basis leads to > > inconsistent behavior! > > > > In draft-ietf-spring-sr-service-programming-02, the following limitation > > is associated to the static SR proxy, but it also applies to the dynamic > > proxy: > > > > However, a static SR proxy > > segment can be used in only one service policy at a time. As opposed > > to most other segment types, a static SR proxy segment is bound to a > > unique list of segments, which represents a directed SR service > > policy. This is due to the cached SR information being defined in > > the segment configuration. This limitation only prevents multiple > > segment lists from using the same static SR proxy segment at the same > > time, but a single segment list can be shared by any number of > > traffic flows. > > > > This is he description of the dynamic proxy: > > > > The dynamic proxy is an improvement over the static proxy that > > dynamically learns the SR information before removing it from the > > incoming traffic. > > > > Maybe it would be better to explicitly clarify that the same limitation > > of the static SR proxy is applicable: "only one service policy at a > > time"... the difference is that you can change this association > > dynamically, e.g. in the order of few seconds but NOT on a > > packet-by-packet basis > > > > hope that it clarifies... > > > > ciao > > Stefano > > > > > >> What happens if, due to differences in internal processing, packets > >> from different service policies get swapped in time. So packets go in > >> Packet-1, Packet-2, but come out Packet-2, Packet-1. The text seems > >> to result in the proxy reattaching the SR information to the wrong > >> packets? > >> > >> Am I misreading the text? > >> > >> Depending upon ones, reading, this may apply to a case where a single > >> device is service as multiple static proxies for a single non-SR aware > >> SF. It was not clear if that was intended to be allowed, but if so > >> the same issue would seem to apply. > >> > >> Yours, > >> Joel > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> spring mailing list > >> spring@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > From nobody Sun Jul 26 12:41:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12933A13F0 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 12:41:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P6vj3CtXZGrr for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 12:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 758CD3A13EF for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 12:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFCxH2JPYz6G8tJ; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 12:41:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1595792499; bh=2tNkCV8BKkltMGk2sBx77MgZVezFwM03O3BxRIKB/ns=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=DFSxuFsP8y9PJIdWV3ai5fx/ZsofbZu5RBwXOokEp4XV06AuHnTXMtRCXatlWLzMf lUC+YlvSnZPfxrei18FWcO3pHQArtLosy+MiE8QOkPD1YooFL27MzfHIMTMYAkJOnX c3jF61VNU56SUFvd2V0aE5fDBrd62a3Pv6yo8FU8= X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at a2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BFCxG5vY4z6G7Kw; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 12:41:37 -0700 (PDT) To: "Francois Clad (fclad)" , "spring@ietf.org" References: <3c542370-c7dd-9ec2-8120-186f24b993b2@joelhalpern.com> From: Joel Halpern Direct Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 15:41:36 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] General Proxy behavior in SR Service Programming X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 19:41:41 -0000 In the shared memory case, indeed, it is very reasonable to look at the proxy as an arm of the function. In SFC, we do look at it (the proxy as an arm of the SF) that way more generally. We can do that because the SFC architecture calls that out. Given that the other cases do involve network transfer of packets, and thus are visible, and given that neither the SR architecture, the MPLS architecture, nor the SR architecture call out such things, it seems that we need to be explicit. To be clear, I think it is a very reasonable approach. Much mroe reasonable, for example, than NAT in its various incarnations. All I am asking is that we state explicitly that we understand that as an architectural component this violates existing rules, and does so over a limited scope so as to preserve the desired / needed behavior over the larger scope. The one thing we may need to be clear about is the degree of proximity required between the SF and its serving proxy. If we treat this as legitimate arbitrary networking, it gets out of hand. Yours, Joel On 7/26/2020 3:33 PM, Francois Clad (fclad) wrote: > Hi Joel, > > Thank you for your email. > > A proxy and its associated SF can be seen from the network as a single entity: a packet enters this entity from the network, gets processed by the SF, and exits towards the network. The packet modifications that occur between the entry and exit of this entity are compliant with existing standards. > > Whatever happens between the proxy and SF is internal processing and invisible to the network. However, a network operator or controller needs some information about the proxy’s internal behavior to determine an appropriate SID-list through the SF and possibly configure the proxy. > > Cheers, > Francois > > > On 25/07/2020 20:23, "spring on behalf of Joel M. Halpern" wrote: > > become a chair issue, in which case, I will look at it through a > different lens. Heck, I may even disagree with myself.> > > Let me start by saying that I understand and support what the draft is > trying to do. While I like SFC, I am under no illusions that it is or > should be the only answer to service chaining / service programming. > > Further, I understand what the proxies are for. They seem necessary. > To deploy this stuff, we have to be able to work with older equipment. > Proxies seem the best way to do so. > > The document is even clear that proxy is a new kind of thing. Good. > > In order to do its job, and as I read this document, the SR proxies (of > various kinds) violate the rules for MPLS processing, SRH processing, > and IPv6 processing at various points. They have to. > > It seems to me that we need to accept this requirement, and state it > clearly. Most likely, this would suggest that we will want some form of > signoff from the MPLS and 6man working groups that these violations, for > these specific reasons, are acceptable to the community. Personally, I > would rather have the discussion soon, rather than pretending it is a > non-issue and having the discussion during IETF last call. > > Maybe I am misreading, and things are less conflicted. That would be great. > > Yours, > Joel > > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > From nobody Sun Jul 26 17:19:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D2B3A1584; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 17:19:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=futurewei.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by 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This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for Segment Routing Authors : Stephane Litkowski Yingzhen Qu Acee Lindem Pushpasis Sarkar Jeff Tantsura Filename : draft-ietf-spring-sr-yang-18.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2020-07-26 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for segment routing configuration and operation, which is to be augmented by different segment routing data planes. The document also defines a YANG model that is intended to be used on network elements to configure or operate segment routing MPLS data plane, as well as some generic containers to be reused by IGP protocol modules to support segment routing. 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SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AJa4g_t8zAD2; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 22:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta2.chinamobile.com (cmccmta2.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA053A16E7; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 22:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.1]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app05-12005 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee55f1e6c8a2b1-ee1e3; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:56:26 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee55f1e6c8a2b1-ee1e3 X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.2.53.197]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr01-12001 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee15f1e6c885a7-a0c83; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:56:26 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee15f1e6c885a7-a0c83 From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: "'James Guichard'" , Cc: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:56:26 +0800 Message-ID: <000001d663da$aae47e90$00ad7bb0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01D6641D.B907BE90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZalG5COYT8S7GISwGDbTxQ2h/PJgJMlhOQ Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 05:56:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D6641D.B907BE90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support the adoption of this document. It provides a generic and useful enhancement to SR, and the document is = in good shape.=20 =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = James Guichard =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA7=D4=C215=C8=D5 19:17 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: spring@ietf.org =B3=AD=CB=CD: spring-chairs@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: [spring] WG Adoption Call for = draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn =20 Dear WG: =20 This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.=20 =20 Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the = WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent. =20 Thanks! =20 Jim, Joel & Bruno =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D6641D.B907BE90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support the adoption of this = document.

It provides a generic and useful enhancement to SR, and the = document is in good shape.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang = Cheng

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: spring = [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = James = Guichard
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=D6=F7=CC=E2: [spring] WG Adoption Call = for = draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn

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Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhance= d-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. =

 

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this = document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that = support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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Hi all,

Yes, I support the adoption. Th= e document is in a good shape. I would suggest however to include some hint= s about the kind of resources considered so far (by now there is an example= considering bandwidth; I guess other kind of resources could represent fur= ther complexity).

Thanks

= Luis

El mi=C3=A9., 15 jul. 2020 a las 13:17, James Guichard (<james.n.guichard@futurewei.com= >) escribi=C3=B3:

Dear WG:

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This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call fo= r https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

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Please speak up if you support or oppose adopt= ing this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha= t support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.=

=C2=A0

Thanks!

=C2=A0

Jim, Joel & Bruno

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--000000000000d5612805ab6a1333-- From nobody Mon Jul 27 04:23:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE6B3A18C3; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 04:23:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.916 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.916 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lJ59IMuOB8PT; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 04:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta6.iomartmail.com (mta6.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 859583A18C2; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 04:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (vs3.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.124]) by mta6.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 06RBMvJB028712; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:22:57 +0100 Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960C922042; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:22:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.224]) by vs3.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 886F62203D; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:22:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V ([84.51.134.26]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 06RBMu6g021422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:22:57 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'James Guichard'" , Cc: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:22:56 +0100 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <098d01d66408$472c2640$d58472c0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_098E_01D66410.A8F0DC60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-gb Thread-Index: AQKK6H4B+G06zLghlizkdLHSMBadKaeyPMAA X-Originating-IP: 84.51.134.26 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-25566.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--20.141-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--20.141-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-25566.006 X-TMASE-Result: 10--20.140600-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: Kx0w2sAofbvxIbpQ8BhdbMGNvKPnBgOah8Ytn75ClDNhlbn6/nmOL0xS Xd/90eV07uoMlQiqzbdJK0sOkwpp0huwdhbbhxE7LIrMljt3adulAfiiC1VA/RbozYDXkvVACbn wpPijjXX261wgSJlSrNNfI1wXmQwh+kLlIwb4/tf1WO1NzV/CYL/kINU/9Cx+CLUHeeoJ+yHS7l 9oY/zO1ImfzKvTw1ZhpZKtnzFIFN1KhXtiWEurdLU+IyHhkXf1OhJ9m53n4aBtw+n+iKWyyI+04 hOwZfJRrX8Yl8y/h5H1uS8pQsXtXoy2JF6iuloB71Wx2uUbPLdDr8MVm6DK3bv81BNUjUj5zEVD Gnc+EfKahG/i8Ja1Y7dYFVfIRaXS7zgtUFe2gc5ZwLSBgxghaPngX/aL8PCNI9L0l0rdbj9uBjx DCXijziRX5Ze8FsHwAf/oIhDrMcyfRSghnfviF+a55w05lWyqtPGelsKOu4imE182W0LlJp398O hZG6ik4sOfGAg2QIz4w5QPXOasnVLpblRP8vf0eUiTWYHRXE8r56mCSN/8O5dTt18phAHe5GpAD FtYP37i8zVgXoAltuoKEDqVJEm+tD9qpBlNF8pr34lUqic7t4tkBWmEtb9teSC65CityAwmjmyA Eba9NdhhcZSHWs8wDGpb2vK72G2vyL5fCPqYSH7cGd19dSFd X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:23:07 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_098E_01D66410.A8F0DC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jim, I've been working on the Enhanced VPN framework in TEAS and I consider it a good foundation for providing a more sophisticated VPN service that also addresses the needs of network slicing. So I'm pleased to see this work being examined in SPRING. It's been a while since I read this draft, but I considered it then to be a good starting point. I support adoption and commit to reviewing and contributing to the document within the working group. Thanks, Adrian From: spring On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: 15 July 2020 12:17 To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno ------=_NextPart_000_098E_01D66410.A8F0DC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Jim,

 

I’ve = been working on the Enhanced VPN framework in TEAS and I consider it a = good foundation for providing a more sophisticated VPN service that also = addresses the needs of network slicing.

 

So = I’m pleased to see this work being examined in SPRING. It’s = been a while since I read this draft, but I considered it then to be a = good starting point. I support adoption and commit to reviewing and = contributing to the document within the working = group.

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: spring = <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of James = Guichard
Sent: 15 July 2020 12:17
To: = spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: = [spring] WG Adoption Call for = draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn

 

Dear = WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG = adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhance= d-vpn/ ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. =

 

Please speak up if you support or = oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide = comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be = considered consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & = Bruno

 

 

 

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As an author I think this is a useful text to publish in = support of this work that continues in TEAS.

I hope that the WG is able to accept it as a = SPRING WG draft.

Stewart

On 15 Jul 2020, at 12:16, James Guichard = <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com> wrote:

Dear WG:
 
This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call = for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhan= ced-vpn/ ending = Wednesday 29th July 2020.
 
Please speak up if you support or oppose = adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons = for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.
 
Thanks!
 
Jim, Joel & Bruno
 
 
 
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(2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: [spring] Meetecho abrupt termination of meeting X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:48:47 -0000 Is it really necessary for Meetecho to abruptly, and without prior que, = terminate at the end of the scheduled time? 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boundary="_000_ZRAP278MB012592661C4970DCC2252A8D89720ZRAP278MB0125CHEP_" Content-Language: en-US --_000_ZRAP278MB012592661C4970DCC2252A8D89720ZRAP278MB0125CHEP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rakesh, Thanks for the presentations at spring wg. For clarification, I assume that the controller will be able to orchestrate= and collect the results of the STAMP probes with netconf-yang/yang push ba= sed on draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-yang. Correct? If yes, I assume that the STAMP extensions described in draft-gandhi-spring= -stamp-srpm will be integrated into draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-yang? Is there a = open source implementation, proof of code I could look at? Best Wishes Thomas --_000_ZRAP278MB012592661C4970DCC2252A8D89720ZRAP278MB0125CHEP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
Hi Rakesh,
 
Thanks for the presentations at spring wg.
 
For clarification, I assume that the controller will be able to or=
chestrate and collect the results of the STAMP probes with netconf-yang/yan=
g push based on draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-yang. Correct?

If yes, I assume that the STAMP extensions described in draft-gand=
hi-spring-stamp-srpm will be integrated into draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-yang? Is=
 there a open source implementation, proof of code I could look at?


 


Best Wishes


Thomas
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\(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:02:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1667FF5C-E1D4-42B0-B9CE-692CE6D181C3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Stewart This was unexpected and is being investigated. Jay > On 28/07/2020, at 12:48 AM, Stewart Bryant = wrote: >=20 > Is it really necessary for Meetecho to abruptly, and without prior = que, terminate at the end of the scheduled time? >=20 > This is not a behaviour in real meetings nor with =E2=80=9Cnormal=E2=80=9D= telemeeting services. >=20 > In SPRING the last speaker was cut off mid sentence. >=20 > I do not find this an acceptable tool for us to use if that is the = behaviour we need to contend with.=20 >=20 > Best regards >=20 > Stewart >=20 >=20 --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_1667FF5C-E1D4-42B0-B9CE-692CE6D181C3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Stewart

This was unexpected and is being investigated.

Jay
On = 28/07/2020, at 12:48 AM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:

Is = it really necessary for Meetecho to abruptly, and without prior que, = terminate at the end of the scheduled time?

This is not a behaviour in real meetings nor with = =E2=80=9Cnormal=E2=80=9D telemeeting services.

In SPRING the last speaker was cut off mid sentence.

I do not find this an acceptable tool for us = to use if that is the behaviour we need to contend with.

Best regards

Stewart



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IETF = Executive Director
jay@ietf.org

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Regards, Sonal. > On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:38 PM, Kamran Raza (skraza) wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > I support the adoption of this draft. > =20 > Rgds, > - > Kamran > =20 > From: spring on behalf of James Guichard > Date: Monday, July 13, 2020 at 11:39 AM > To: "spring@ietf.org" > Cc: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" > Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang > =20 > Dear WG: > =20 > This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. > =20 > Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the W= G. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof). S= ilence will not be considered consent. > =20 > Thanks! > =20 > Jim, Joel & Bruno > =20 > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring --Apple-Mail-FF5EF7BD-48A0-43FC-A71E-080B02DD2F9C Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi WG,

I support adoption of this draft.

Regards,
Sonal.

On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:38= PM, Kamran Raza (skraza) <skraza=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:=

=EF=BB= =BF

I support the adoption of this draft.

 

Rgds,

-

Kamran

 

From:= spring <spring-b= ounces@ietf.org> on behalf of James Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurew= ei.com>
Date: Monday, July 13, 2020 at 11:39 AM
To: "spring@ietf.org" <spring@ietf.org>
Cc: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" <spring-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-ya= ng

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ endin= g Monday 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting thi= s document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that suppor= t (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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Hi WG,

I support the ad= option. It is a useful enhancement to SR, which can help to provide networ= k SLA assurance for various services.

Best regards,

Cong Li
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Dear WG:

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This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for=0A=0Ahttps://da= tatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ ending W= ednesday 29th July 2020.=0A

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Please speak up if you support or oppose a= dopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons fo= r that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.<= o:p>

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear WG: The 2-week adoption call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang has now close= d. There is strong support for adoption of this document into the WG and th= erefore authors please publish a new version as draft-ietf-spring-sr-policy= -yang-00. The chairs note that several comments were received during the ad= option call and we expect to see those resolved as part of the WG process; = authors please work with the people that commented to resolve any open issu= es and/or comments. Authors, please indicate on the mailing list whether you are aware of any u= ndisclosed relevant IPR. Thanks! Jim, Joel & Bruno From: James Guichard Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:38 AM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang Dear WG: This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ ending Monday 27th July 2020. Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the WG= . 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Dear WG:

 

The 2-week adoption call for draft-raza-spring-sr-po= licy-yang has now closed. There is strong support for adoption of this docu= ment into the WG and therefore authors please publish a new version as draf= t-ietf-spring-sr-policy-yang-00. The chairs note that several comments were received during the adoption call a= nd we expect to see those resolved as part of the WG process; authors pleas= e work with the people that commented to resolve any open issues and/or com= ments.

 

Authors, please indicate on the mailing list whether= you are aware of any undisclosed relevant IPR.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

From: James Guichard
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:38 AM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang =

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spring-sr-policy-yang/ endi= ng Monday 27th July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting th= is document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that supp= ort (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

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Dear WG:

 

The 2-week adoption call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-= yang has now closed. There is strong support for adoption of this document = into the WG and therefore authors please publish a new version as draft-iet= f-spring-srv6-yang-00. The chairs note that several comments were received during the adoption call to help = improve the structure and quality of the document; authors please work with= the people that provided these comments to incorporate them as appropriate= into the document.

 

Authors, please indicate on the mailing list whether= you are aware of any undisclosed relevant IPR.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

 

 

From: James Guichard
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 5:52 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: WG Adoption Call for draft-raza-spring-srv6-yang=

 

Dear WG:

 

This email begins a 2 week WG a= doption call for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-spri= ng-srv6-yang/ ending Monday 27th= July 2020.

 

Please speak up if you support = or oppose adopting this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/= reasons for that support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered = consent.

 

Thanks!

 

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--_000_DM6PR13MB30664E4FE7CD5F87F03281F9D2730DM6PR13MB3066namp_-- From nobody Tue Jul 28 08:48:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A95D3A0E07; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:48:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j2VljclYeUoC; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x22d.google.com (mail-lj1-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CCE83A0DDD; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22d.google.com with SMTP id v4so11996656ljd.0; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:48:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2kJMu3QGk6ISGUIXXfvINvisaS9/XeeKnkf40AnEGus=; b=cvKbCuM/APxYPadRNECsKz0gLAWfh1vn44QJU1h8+syjcmAkkFe4jS2nQ/e91V5EmV S0+VkVW/riESSqMBg/u8W05l7R9sMVjS8mhydZmeL/ALLBGpXXx37WqTOa6y5Vl2rwQ4 RN9hVKs9k7m/0l2mpeeeTjuqL5Xz2RkcA8CseE57a40GpH39pa6Ku1Ql5Iwd/l/lrlSf QPHqaM+zU0lqmmEmU8AtLQJBA49TK2fM2aZPu/xXQ0xt99c74K0zF6lWbwavh7DaPtZM jjDY//jvUhTIVihSgJtXtWqWKjNgyK2G3eA424DscHwztQ8WYEP3cGwfrZ0JSuEdAoHb 9n3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2kJMu3QGk6ISGUIXXfvINvisaS9/XeeKnkf40AnEGus=; b=WuN87Gq429aD6eP3YL2d9lJfR51WI3mb5weFBbLhBUfgB+7gvlCPi5lJ8RUWM+4mLI HvOs4gRjxu7a7xhItU4uwvH74LtHFh4m4mCq5YhLjiB0AXQBwzgL/ZQtdPzMG2mRta6i HJmguNy4YtLE3tnN5eXqSsCEVxuDu3LW+UcMvmllOi5TbCRkIGWwmpgPtXzPEsZXtAIz 5qVZrhZ0chQ1Pe3iVs81iry6zA1Zk1rPi1qUBShH1nKJRsYmQXqhH5dKMl6MtipsyDXw SFsLijM86Hj+L2uDeDqDmfoestQ1dQZpIl3P1NTA8q63WGcHI9z8MFb18gQIoWs6nv7C 93ng== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533W77oIKdPwlRpjiGxBJOuRMrmeGzKQGE9ohKNb3hH69XwaC7vE 3kLOXlLDQeDwcOOzBvYwz8Bcm+JnF+dxvi8YT/k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyuK/WeGg2QyaEVO0NsdtPob0T7SRSCAg1ERuyMCX3gXpxYWwwzW5t3SCl2le/KjOBwBbXuz91Sb1REXBTGfb0= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:87c4:: with SMTP id v4mr3849968ljj.8.1595951278231; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:47:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Greg Mirsky Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:47:46 -0700 Message-ID: To: James Guichard Cc: "spring@ietf.org" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000004959605ab825d51" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:48:12 -0000 --00000000000004959605ab825d51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear Authors, thank you for that well-written document. It was a pleasure to read. I have a number of questions and much appreciate it if you can clarify them for me: - how you envision mapping resources to a topological SID, e.g. adj-SID? Would it be 1:1, i.e., a new SID for each resource that characterizes a link in a virtual network? - how granular association of a resource with a SID could practically be? For example, BW may be de-composed into, per. RFC 6003, CIR, CBS, EIR, and EBS. Do you expect a transient SR node to do policing and/or shaping according to such resource information? - I agree, that FlexE is one of Layer 2 technologies to provide predictable, in regard to performance, transport. What benefits of using resource information you see for FlexE? Would an intermediate node manage the FlexE calendar? Regards, Greg On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 4:17 AM James Guichard < james.n.guichard@futurewei.com> wrote: > Dear WG: > > > > This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ > ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. > > > > Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the > WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack > thereof). Silence will not be considered consent. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jim, Joel & Bruno > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > --00000000000004959605ab825d51 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Authors,
thank you for that=C2=A0well-written doc= ument. It was a pleasure to read. I have a number of questions and much app= reciate it if you can clarify them for me:
  • how you envisi= on mapping resources to a topological SID, e.g. adj-SID? Would it be 1:1, i= .e., a new SID for each resource that characterizes a link in a virtual net= work?
  • how granular association of a resource with a SID could pract= ically be? For example, BW may be de-composed into, per. RFC 6003, CIR, CBS= , EIR,=C2=A0 and EBS. Do you expect a transient SR node to do policing and/= or shaping according to such resource information?
  • I agree, that Fl= exE is one of Layer 2 technologies to provide predictable, in regard to per= formance, transport. What benefits of using resource information you see fo= r FlexE? Would an intermediate node manage the FlexE calendar?
Regards,
Greg

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 4:17 AM James = Guichard <james.n.guic= hard@futurewei.com> wrote:

Dear WG:

=C2=A0

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call fo= r https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

=C2=A0

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopt= ing this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha= t support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.=

=C2=A0

Thanks!

=C2=A0

Jim, Joel & Bruno

=C2=A0

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The proposal may be a useful improvement of SR architecture, and it will be valuable to consider it. The follows are my comments: - Regarding scalability, it will depend on how to design configurations, and I think that there is little difference between existing technologies and the proposal. The number of virtual networks which can be built will strongly depend on the spec/ability of the underlay network. For example, the number of available QoS classes is limited by the number of queues which routers have. Or the size of a forwarding table depends on performance of TCAM. I think a critical point on scalability is underlay network spec/ability rather than the nature of techniques/protocols. - Simplifying data plane structure and its management by unifying several forwarding mechanisms to SID may be one of advantages of the proposal. - This extension may be a fundamental improvement, and it may not be necessary to be tied to usage for enhanced VPN solution. Regards, Shunsuke On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:48 AM Greg Mirsky wrote: > Dear Authors, > thank you for that well-written document. It was a pleasure to read. I > have a number of questions and much appreciate it if you can clarify them > for me: > > - how you envision mapping resources to a topological SID, e.g. > adj-SID? Would it be 1:1, i..e., a new SID for each resource that > characterizes a link in a virtual network? > - how granular association of a resource with a SID could practically > be? For example, BW may be de-composed into, per. RFC 6003, CIR, CBS, EIR, > and EBS. Do you expect a transient SR node to do policing and/or shaping > according to such resource information? > - I agree, that FlexE is one of Layer 2 technologies to provide > predictable, in regard to performance, transport. What benefits of using > resource information you see for FlexE? Would an intermediate node manage > the FlexE calendar? > > Regards, > Greg > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 4:17 AM James Guichard < > james.n.guichard@futurewei.com> wrote: > >> Dear WG: >> >> >> >> This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ >> ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. >> >> >> >> Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the >> WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack >> thereof). Silence will not be considered consent. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Jim, Joel & Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> spring mailing list >> spring@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring >> > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > --000000000000bcd74e05ab829edf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi WG,

I reviewed the draft, and support the adopt= ion. The proposal may be a useful improvement of SR architecture, and it wi= ll be valuable to consider it.

The follows are my comments:
- Reg= arding scalability, it will depend on how to design configurations, and I t= hink that there is little difference between existing technologies and the = proposal.=C2=A0 The number of virtual networks which can be built will stro= ngly depend on the spec/ability of the underlay network.=C2=A0 For example,= the number of available QoS classes is limited by the number of queues whi= ch routers have. Or the size of a forwarding table depends on performance o= f TCAM. I think a critical point on scalability is underlay network spec/ab= ility rather than the nature of techniques/protocols.
- Simplifying data= plane structure and its management by unifying several forwarding mechanis= ms to SID may be one of advantages of the proposal.
- This extension may= be a fundamental improvement, and it may not be necessary to be tied to us= age for enhanced VPN solution.

Regards,
Shunsuke

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:48 AM Greg Mirsky <= ;gregimirsky@gmail.com> wro= te:
Dear Authors,
thank you for that=C2=A0well-written document. It wa= s a pleasure to read. I have a number of questions and much appreciate it i= f you can clarify them for me:
  • how you envision mapping r= esources to a topological SID, e.g. adj-SID? Would it be 1:1, i..e., a new = SID for each resource that characterizes a link in a virtual network?
    • <= li>how granular association of a resource with a SID could practically be? = For example, BW may be de-composed into, per. RFC 6003, CIR, CBS, EIR,=C2= =A0 and EBS. Do you expect a transient SR node to do policing and/or shapin= g according to such resource information?
  • I agree, that FlexE is on= e of Layer 2 technologies to provide predictable, in regard to performance,= transport. What benefits of using resource information you see for FlexE? = Would an intermediate node manage the FlexE calendar?
Regards= ,
Greg

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 4:17 AM James Guichar= d <j= ames.n.guichard@futurewei.com> wrote:

Dear WG:

=C2=A0

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call fo= r https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

=C2=A0

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopt= ing this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha= t support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.=

=C2=A0

Thanks!

=C2=A0

Jim, Joel & Bruno

=C2=A0

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autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y3TWym55Bm8r; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 03:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D273E3A0805; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 03:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.19] (unknown [122.2.101.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D933326A5C; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:05:05 +0200 (CEST) To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" Cc: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" References: From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <19a2709f-01b3-e067-5a53-75ab5c660890@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 18:05:00 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:05:17 -0000 Working Grpup, I reviewed the draft and find it a very good start for a working group topic that is well inside the scope of what the working group needs to be working on. /Loa On 15/07/2020 19:16, James Guichard wrote: > Dear WG: > > This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ > ending Wednesday 29^th July 2020. > > Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document 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Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack > thereof). 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I share concerns expressed by Tarek. Also, it is not clear the role of resource-SID in the case of FlexE underlay. And it does appear that an SR node will maintain state per resource-SID it is provisioned by the controller. That, in my opinion, breaks the SR paradigm of no per-flow state at intermediate SR nodes. I believe that any solution to the problem of SR-TE should be weighted against the work on Transport Slicing at the TEAS WG. Regards, Greg On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 8:47 AM Greg Mirsky wrote: > Dear Authors, > thank you for that well-written document. It was a pleasure to read. I > have a number of questions and much appreciate it if you can clarify them > for me: > > - how you envision mapping resources to a topological SID, e.g. > adj-SID? Would it be 1:1, i.e., a new SID for each resource that > characterizes a link in a virtual network? > - how granular association of a resource with a SID could practically > be? For example, BW may be de-composed into, per. RFC 6003, CIR, CBS, EIR, > and EBS. Do you expect a transient SR node to do policing and/or shaping > according to such resource information? > - I agree, that FlexE is one of Layer 2 technologies to provide > predictable, in regard to performance, transport. What benefits of using > resource information you see for FlexE? Would an intermediate node manage > the FlexE calendar? > > Regards, > Greg > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 4:17 AM James Guichard < > james.n.guichard@futurewei.com> wrote: > >> Dear WG: >> >> >> >> This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call for >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ >> ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. >> >> >> >> Please speak up if you support or oppose adopting this document into the >> WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack >> thereof). Silence will not be considered consent. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Jim, Joel & Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> spring mailing list >> spring@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring >> > --0000000000009110c005ab941bd6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear WG Chairs, Authors,
I think I need to clarify my = view regarding the WG adoption of this draft. I share concerns expressed by= Tarek. Also, it is not clear the role of resource-SID in the case of FlexE= underlay. And it does appear that an SR node will maintain state per resou= rce-SID it is provisioned by the controller. That, in my=C2=A0opinion, brea= ks the SR paradigm of no per-flow state at intermediate SR nodes. I believe= that any solution to the problem of SR-TE should be weighted against the w= ork on Transport Slicing at the TEAS WG.

Regards,<= /div>
Greg

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 8:47 AM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote:
<= /div>
Dea= r Authors,
thank you for that=C2=A0well-written document. It was a plea= sure to read. I have a number of questions and much appreciate it if you ca= n clarify them for me:
  • how you envision mapping resources= to a topological SID, e.g. adj-SID? Would it be 1:1, i.e., a new SID for e= ach resource that characterizes a link in a virtual network?
  • how gr= anular association of a resource with a SID could practically be? For examp= le, BW may be de-composed into, per. RFC 6003, CIR, CBS, EIR,=C2=A0 and EBS= . Do you expect a transient SR node to do policing and/or shaping according= to such resource information?
  • I agree, that FlexE is one of Layer = 2 technologies to provide predictable, in regard to performance, transport.= What benefits of using resource information you see for FlexE? Would an in= termediate node manage the FlexE calendar?
Regards,
Greg

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 4:17 AM James Guichard <james.n.guicha= rd@futurewei.com> wrote:

Dear WG:

=C2=A0

This email begins a 2 week WG adoption call fo= r https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/= ending Wednesday 29th July 2020.

=C2=A0

Please speak up if you support or oppose adopt= ing this document into the WG. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha= t support (or lack thereof). Silence will not be considered consent.=

=C2=A0

Thanks!

=C2=A0

Jim, Joel & Bruno

=C2=A0

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear SPRING WG: This email concludes the WG adoption call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn. The chairs noted that although the document received a lot of support, eval= uation of consensus to adopt should primarily be driven by substantive comm= ents (technical or otherwise) of which there were several on differing part= s of the document. The text of the current document covers two main parts that may be categori= zed into standards track and informational track. The first part is related to the association of resources to Segment Routin= g Identifiers (SIDs) that: * is specifically referenced in the SPRING charter for mapping segments= to forwarding behaviors * received strong support, including from technical reviewers * is the main goal of the draft, stating nearly the full draft abstract= : " This document describes the mechanism to associate network resource at= tributes to Segment Routing Identifiers (SIDs). Such SIDs are referred to = as resource-aware SIDs in this document. The resource-aware SIDs retain th= eir original forwarding semantics, but with the additional semantics to ide= ntify the set of network resources available for the packet processing acti= on. The resource-aware SIDs can therefore be used to build SR paths with a= set of reserved network resources." While this part of the specification still requires some work in order to s= pecify resource-aware semantics for all or a subset of existing SIDs, the c= hairs feel that consensus to adopt this part of the document was reached an= d that this should form the basis of a standards track document. Therefore,= authors can you please publish a WG document covering only this first part= ; the document should: * avoid the use of VPN related terms in the filename, title, abstract, = page headers etc. * only cover the normative specification of "resource-aware SIDs" * have a filename that reflects the core idea of "resource-aware SIDs" = and start with draft-ietf-spring... (suggestion draft-ietf-spring-resource-= aware-segments-00) In addition, please indicate on the mailing list whether you are aware of a= ny undisclosed relevant IPR. Macroscopically, the above will involve removing sections 4 and 5 of the cu= rrent document, and maybe the penultimate sentence in the abstract. In addi= tion, the current section 3 (control plane) will need to be significantly r= e-scoped although this may happen as part of the normal WG document process= . In the future, it will also need to precisely define the new information/= parameters that would need to be advertised in the control plane; only leav= ing the encoding to the corresponding protocol specific documents. Now woul= d be better, but it may be done in the future given the agreement on the sc= ope of this document. The second part is related to the building of virtual networks (e.g. VPN, V= PN+, VNT, enhanced VPN...). This part is not primarily an extension to segm= ent/SID, and seems less mature, informational in nature, and one way of bui= lding an end-to-end service using a set of building blocks, while other met= hods are possible and may be equally valid. Therefore, this part may be des= cribed in an informational document independent from the standards track do= cument. Depending on the direction that authors choose to follow, this subj= ect may have adherence with the BESS and TEAS WGs, which would need to be c= onsidered. Alternatively, the document could follow the direction of an app= licability statement or recipe on how to provide, in an SR network, dedicat= ed resources for some services (e.g .VPN, IP TV replication service...). Authors, you are encouraged to publish a second informational document (ind= ividual-ID) covering the non-resource-aware-SIDs parts (with pointers to th= e standard track document used as a building block) and then have the WG re= view and then reevaluate that part of the adoption call. Thanks, Jim, Joel, & Bruno --_000_DM6PR13MB3066F0CFB7A3617A76291930D2700DM6PR13MB3066namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear SPRING WG:

This email concludes the WG adoption call for d= raft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn. 

The chairs noted that although the document rec= eived a lot of support, evaluation of consensus to adopt should primarily b= e driven by substantive comments (technical or otherwise) of which there we= re several on differing parts of the document. 

The text of the current document covers two mai= n parts that may be categorized into standards track and informational trac= k.

The first part is related to the association of= resources to Segment Routing Identifiers (SIDs) that:

  • is specifically referenced in the SPRING charter for mapping segments to fo= rwarding behaviors
  • received strong support, including from technical reviewers
    • =
  • is the main goal of the draft, stating nearly the full draft abstract:=

   " This document des= cribes the mechanism to associate network resource attributes to Segment Ro= uting Identifiers (SIDs).  Such SIDs are referred to as resource-aware= SIDs in this document.  The resource-aware SIDs retain their original forwarding semantics, but with the additional semantics to identify the se= t of network resources available for the packet processing action.  Th= e resource-aware SIDs can therefore be used to build SR paths with a set of= reserved network resources."

While this part of the specification still requ= ires some work in order to specify resource-aware semantics for all or a su= bset of existing SIDs, the chairs feel that consensus to adopt this part of= the document was reached and that this should form the basis of a standards track document. Therefore, autho= rs can you please publish a WG document covering only this first part; the = document should:

  • avoid the use of VPN related terms in the filename, title, abstract, page h= eaders etc.
  • only cover the normative specification of “resource-aware SIDs”=
  • have a filename that reflects the core idea of “resource-aware SIDs&#= 8221; and start with draft-ietf-spring… (suggestion draft-ietf-spring= -resource-aware-segments-00)

In addition, please indicate on the mailing lis= t whether you are aware of any undisclosed relevant IPR.<= /p>

Macroscopically, the above will involve removin= g sections 4 and 5 of the current document, and maybe the penultimate sente= nce in the abstract. In addition, the current section 3 (control plane) wil= l need to be significantly re-scoped although this may happen as part of the normal WG document process. In the= future, it will also need to precisely define the new information/paramete= rs that would need to be advertised in the control plane; only leaving the = encoding to the corresponding protocol specific documents. Now would be better, but it may be done in the future = given the agreement on the scope of this document.

The second part is related to the building of v= irtual networks (e.g. VPN, VPN+, VNT, enhanced VPN...). This part is not pr= imarily an extension to segment/SID, and seems less mature, informational i= n nature, and one way of building an end-to-end service using a set of building blocks, while other methods = are possible and may be equally valid. Therefore, this part may be describe= d in an informational document independent from the standards track documen= t. Depending on the direction that authors choose to follow, this subject may have adherence with the BESS an= d TEAS WGs, which would need to be considered. Alternatively, the document = could follow the direction of an applicability statement or recipe on how t= o provide, in an SR network, dedicated resources for some services (e.g .VPN, IP TV replication service...).

Authors, you are encouraged to publish a second= informational document (individual-ID) covering the non-resource-aware-SID= s parts (with pointers to the standard track document used as a building bl= ock) and then have the WG review and then reevaluate that part of the adoption call.

Thanks,

Jim, Joel, & Bruno

 

 

 

 

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Hi SPRING WG,

 

Authors of draft-hegde-spring-node-protect= ion-for-sr-te-p= aths  [1] have asked for WG adoptio= n.

 

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Could those who are willing to work on this document, please notify the = list. That gives us an indication of the energy level in the working group = to work on this.

 

Thanks,

Regards,

Bruno, Jim, Joel

 

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-pa= ths-07

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Hi Authors, SPRING WG,

 

Authors of draft-hegde-spring-node-protect= ion-for-sr-te-p= aths [1] have asked for WG adoption.

 

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Thanks,

Regards,

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[1] h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-pat= hs-07

 

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This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF. Title : Introducing Resource Awareness to SR Segments Authors : Jie Dong Stewart Bryant Takuya Miyasaka Yongqing Zhu Fengwei Qin Zhenqiang Li Francois Clad Filename : draft-ietf-spring-resource-aware-segments-00.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2020-07-30 Abstract: This document describes the mechanism to associate network resource attributes to Segment Routing Identifiers (SIDs). Such SIDs are referred to as resource-aware SIDs in this document. The resource- aware SIDs retain their original forwarding semantics, but with the additional semantics to identify the set of network resources available for the packet processing action. The resource-aware SIDs can therefore be used to build SR paths or virtual networks with a set of reserved network resources. The proposed mechanism is applicable to both segment routing with MPLS data plane (SR-MPLS) and segment routing with IPv6 data plane (SRv6). 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boundary="_000_AM0PR03MB4499CBBCC953FC3069C9144F9D710AM0PR03MB4499eurp_" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 15:07:14 -0000 --_000_AM0PR03MB4499CBBCC953FC3069C9144F9D710AM0PR03MB4499eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruno, and all, I strongly support adoption of draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te= -paths as a WG document. >From my POV in its current stage it goes far beyond the common requirement= s for adoption: * Addresses a real and important problem within the scope of the SP= RING WG * Represents an excellent start for a solution of this problem. Regards, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com From: spring On Behalf Of bruno.decraene@orange.c= om Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:25 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-f= or-sr-te-paths Hi SPRING WG, Authors of draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths [1] have ask= ed for WG adoption. Please indicate your support, comments, or objection, for adopting this dra= ft as a working group item by August 20th 2020. (*) Could those who are willing to work on this document, please notify the lis= t. That gives us an indication of the energy level in the working group to = work on this. 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Bruno, and all,

I strongly support ado= ption of draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths as a WG documen= t.

From my POV  in i= ts current stage it goes far beyond the common requirements for adoption:

·         Addresses a real and important problem within the scope of the S= PRING WG

·         Represents an excellent start for a solution of this problem.

 

Regards,

Sasha

 

Office: +972-39266302<= o:p>

Cell:   = ;   +972-549266302

Email:   Ale= xander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com

 

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of bruno.decraene@orange.com
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Subject: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-hegde-spring-node-prote= ction-for-sr-te-paths

 

Hi SPRING WG,=

 

Authors of draft-hegde-spring-n= ode-protection-for-sr-te-paths  [1] have asked for WG adoption.

 

Please indicate your support, c= omments, or objection, for adopting this draft as a working group item by A= ugust 20th 2020. (*)

 

Could those who are willing to = work on this document, please notify the list. That gives us an indication = of the energy level in the working group to work on this.=

 

Thanks,

Regards,

Bruno, Jim, Joel

 

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-pa= ths-07

(*) 3 weeks to account for the = IETF meeting week and the august/summer period.

 

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Be cautious of content] Bruno, and all, I strongly support adoption of draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te= -paths as a WG document. >From my POV in its current stage it goes far beyond the common requirement= s for adoption: * Addresses a real and important problem within the scope of the SPRING= WG * Represents an excellent start for a solution of this problem. Regards, Sasha Office: +972-39266302 Cell: +972-549266302 Email: Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com From: spring > On B= ehalf Of bruno.decraene@orange.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:25 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-f= or-sr-te-paths Hi SPRING WG, Authors of draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths [1] have ask= ed for WG adoption. Please indicate your support, comments, or objection, for adopting this dra= ft as a working group item by August 20th 2020. 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Subject: Re: [spring] WG adoption call for draft-hegde-spring-node-p= rotection-for-sr-te-paths

 

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Bruno, and all,=

I strongly support ado= ption of draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths as a WG documen= t.

From my POV  in i= ts current stage it goes far beyond the common requirements for adoption:

  • Addresses a real and important problem = within the scope of the SPRING WG
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Regards,

Sasha

 

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Cell:   = ;   +972-549266302

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From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of bruno.decr= aene@orange.com
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Hi SPRING WG,=

 

Authors of draft-hegde-spring-n= ode-protection-for-sr-te-paths  [1] have asked for WG adoption.=

 

Please indicate your support, c= omments, or objection, for adopting this draft as a working group item by A= ugust 20th 2020. (*)

 

Could those who are willing to = work on this document, please notify the list. That gives us an indication = of the energy level in the working group to work on this.=

 

Thanks,

Regards,

Bruno, Jim, Joel

 

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-pa= ths-07

(*) 3 weeks to account for the = IETF meeting week and the august/summer period.

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not aware of any IPR, other than the one declared by Juniper. Rgds Shraddha Juniper Business Use Only From: bruno.decraene@orange.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 5:55 PM To: spring@ietf.org; draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths@iet= f.org Subject: IPR call for draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Authors, SPRING WG, Authors of draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths [1] have aske= d for WG adoption. This email starts a poll for IPR. If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-= for-sr-te-paths please respond to this email. If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been disclosed in a= ccordance to the IETF IPR rules (detailed are described in RFCs 3979, 4879,= 3669 and 5378). If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email, on the = SPRING mailing list, regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if = you're aware of IPR that has not yet been disclosed. Thanks, Regards, Bruno, Jim, Joel [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-t= e-paths-07 ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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I am not aware of any IPR, other than the one declar= ed  by Juniper.

 

Rgds

Shraddha

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

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Hi Authors, SPRING WG,

 

Authors of draft-hegde-spring-n= ode-protection-for-sr-te-paths [1] have asked for WG adoption.

 

This email starts a poll for IP= R.

 

If you are aware of IPR that ap= plies to draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths please respond = to this email.

If you are aware of IPR, please= indicate whether it has been disclosed in accordance to the IETF IPR rules= (detailed are described in RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378).

 

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If you are not an author or con= tributor, please explicitly respond only if you're aware of IPR that has no= t yet been disclosed.

 

Thanks,

Regards,

Bruno, Jim, Joel

 

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It is well-written and addresses one of the problems that are awaiting the solution. Regards, Greg On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 5:25 AM wrote: > Hi SPRING WG, > > > > Authors of draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths [1] have > asked for WG adoption. > > > > Please indicate your support, comments, or objection, for adopting this > draft as a working group item by August 20th 2020. (*) > > > > Could those who are willing to work on this document, please notify the > list. That gives us an indication of the energy level in the working group > to work on this. > > > > Thanks, > > Regards, > > Bruno, Jim, Joel > > > > [1] > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths-07 > > (*) 3 weeks to account for the IETF meeting week and the august/summer > period. > > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. > > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > --0000000000001e729905abb1956a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear All,
I support the WG adoption of the draft. It i= s well-written and addresses one of the problems that are awaiting the solu= tion.

Regards,
Greg

On Thu, Jul 30,= 2020 at 5:25 AM <bruno.dec= raene@orange.com> wrote:

Hi SPRING WG,

=C2=A0

Authors of draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths =C2=A0[1] have asked for WG adoption.

=C2=A0

Please indicate your support, c= omments, or objection, for adopting this draft as a working group item by A= ugust 20th 2020. (*)

=C2=A0

Could those who are willing to = work on this document, please notify the list. That gives us an indication = of the energy level in the working group to work on this.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Regards,

Bruno, Jim, Joel<= /span>

=C2=A0

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-pa= ths-07

(*) 3 weeks to account for the = IETF meeting week and the august/summer period.

=C2=A0

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--0000000000001e729905abb1956a-- From nobody Fri Jul 31 07:06:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8363A1278; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 07:06:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cTHswBHVXIRT; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 07:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ej1-x633.google.com (mail-ej1-x633.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::633]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBD633A0E8F; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 07:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x633.google.com with SMTP id bo3so8916990ejb.11; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 07:06:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=eEqKjK7c7xzD+Yv56yJ2LbLDZ6CVaor/tcdRIYcA+zY=; b=SDXLSYqk9MQgzUM/kDv756cvs6kxk6wq7fLVX5ykL/42iPJTLkCJuM4PoGghEnxpfO fDw5k8+kx9SgmpS6TV2vOWxttcQHoQq2KFplkVT3YjsBTRmy9btfADhRKDiokJE0jqn7 ri/zYxaeubRv1iLZogQ+lRYv8NqI571SVp8RXPpn78tseT+91OijC/ZXiDL5hpst3Wx5 tuLcADCKE+YZx+kxU0dA25lw5aGM8Wfthd4tCxAwG7hICg2Y6iuC1PGZiRnty3nG1Bkb B3q08b1kXVYMLwpoiFY2ku/vVupeOd2s18bhsEag2v7eTb0ItBgZsaZrmXBvGn2Pvlno 5fSw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eEqKjK7c7xzD+Yv56yJ2LbLDZ6CVaor/tcdRIYcA+zY=; b=rWf5soOz9w11co3XsBNe9Y8moIN3APW1agQv1xd7gTQAh846P5Qs0mKjpCLWVMZOPE z4/maLYtaEZ88zGQxtOs6Fp42Is7PDtaOtxahlTQl74MggEfG8giz3y7s+Juemt+hHO6 w6q7zrGP8oANSx32PPlTQlZJZPDw8EioM71IEYkQg8MtyAF8MFexa1fuM8+HjbnM8z6I ZzE2p+MOEhIqi+0m5I8qxoS9kPjWRPzZ6eeKr3xMCpPcdbvHEPU2OHkAMMt1BFgaQ7d9 +08hLeaAom5CsZsoI58QK7YeFBLhFi5prPqNeHOdeBgth//Uqw7xQLDQaKO66KHlKgY7 sfgg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532KNP2h9ohtYIDI2eZCMjujeOOEGTfHfUga+1Q3n+Zx/7GfGIrJ esgF4GK1NQ+YsQa7L/L3AQgS7ADVkYLkRzpJzUY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz5Wx6w57NRimqhXz1fxftJN8l+K5N9WvdfDFe175IPupUnF1jovSuf+giWU/I3bCseAL9rE0cWdduDYYvznUw= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:82d5:: with SMTP id a21mr4185095ejy.213.1596204391412; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 07:06:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20504_1596111876_5F22BC04_20504_97_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48F028FC@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <20504_1596111876_5F22BC04_20504_97_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A48F028FC@OPEXCAUBM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Chris Bowers Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:03:56 -0500 Message-ID: To: Bruno Decraene Cc: "spring@ietf.org" , "draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bd397a05abbd4bb9" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] IPR call for draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 14:06:44 -0000 --000000000000bd397a05abbd4bb9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I am not aware of any relevant IPR other than the one already disclosed. Chris On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 7:25 AM wrote: > Hi Authors, SPRING WG, > > > > Authors of draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths [1] have > asked for WG adoption. > > > > This email starts a poll for IPR. > > > > If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-hegde > -spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths please respond to this email. > > If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been disclosed in > accordance to the IETF IPR rules (detailed are described in RFCs 3979, > 4879, 3669 and 5378). > > > > If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email, on the > SPRING mailing list, regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. > > If you are not an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if > you're aware of IPR that has not yet been disclosed. > > > > Thanks, > > Regards, > > Bruno, Jim, Joel > > > > [1] > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths-07 > > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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I am not aware of any relevant IPR other than the one= already disclosed.

Chris

=
On Thu, Ju= l 30, 2020 at 7:25 AM <brun= o.decraene@orange.com> wrote:

Hi Authors, SPRING WG,

=C2=A0

Authors of draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths [1] h= ave asked for WG adoption.

=C2=A0

This email starts a poll for IP= R.

=C2=A0

If you are aware of IPR that ap= plies to draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths please respond to this email.

If you are aware of IPR, please= indicate whether it has been disclosed in accordance to the IETF IPR rules= (detailed are described in RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378).<= /span>

=C2=A0

If you are an *author or contri= butor* please respond to this email, on the SPRING mailing list, regardless= of whether or not you're aware of any IPR.

If you are not an author or con= tributor, please explicitly respond only if you're aware of IPR that ha= s not yet been disclosed.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Regards,

Bruno, Jim, Joel<= /span>

=C2=A0

[1] https://tools.iet= f.org/html/draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths-07=

=C2=A0

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--000000000000bd397a05abbd4bb9-- From nobody Fri Jul 31 09:01:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239203A08E2; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:01:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AS1rYtZME0Nj; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 206D13A0AE9; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml718-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 2B549EA1AA2B7B387EFD; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 17:01:28 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml718-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.69) by lhreml718-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.69) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 17:01:28 +0100 Received: from DGGEML421-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.38) by lhreml718-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.69) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 17:01:27 +0100 Received: from DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.73]) by dggeml421-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.38]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 00:01:22 +0800 From: "Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)" To: "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: SPRING WG Meeting Minutes Thread-Index: AdZnUr30C7HUmQj/R5ORf66DOWAa/g== Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:01:21 +0000 Message-ID: <4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE1922CF72@DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.191.19] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE1922CF72DGGEML532MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [spring] SPRING WG Meeting Minutes X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:01:49 -0000 --_000_4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE1922CF72DGGEML532MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Hope you enjoyed this week! Please review the meeting minutes for our SPRING session in this IETF on Mo= nday. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/session/spring Please let us know if there is any correction needed. Thank you and take care! :) Best Regards, Shuping --_000_4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE1922CF72DGGEML532MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all,

 

Hope you enjoyed this week!

 

Please review the meeting minut= es for our SPRING session in this IETF on Monday.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/1= 08/session/spring

 

Please let us know if there is = any correction needed.

 

Thank you and take care! J

 

Best Regards,

Shuping

 

--_000_4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE1922CF72DGGEML532MBXchi_-- From nobody Fri Jul 31 09:04:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49063A0903; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:04:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NPX-9tZavKEH; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 879313A08C6; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml745-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 81065FD07438C4DD043; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 17:04:46 +0100 (IST) Received: from dggeme751-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.97) by lhreml745-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.195) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 17:04:40 +0100 Received: from dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.100) by dggeme751-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 00:04:37 +0800 Received: from dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.77]) by dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.77]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 00:04:37 +0800 From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Conclusion of WG adoption call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn Thread-Index: AdZlqGq7aALK5FziSxC9xAgKG8w/4wBqSYtw Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:04:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.52.34.5] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_fd9490bd36c84820abbb14920e2707f5huaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Conclusion of WG adoption call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:04:51 -0000 --_000_fd9490bd36c84820abbb14920e2707f5huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chairs, Thanks a lot for your guidance in moving forward with this document. We hav= e submitted the first part as standard track, and will continue to work on = the rest as informational. And I am unaware of any undisclosed relevant IPR. Best regards, Jie From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 11:32 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] Conclusion of WG adoption call for draft-dong-spring-sr-f= or-enhanced-vpn Dear SPRING WG: This email concludes the WG adoption call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enha= nced-vpn. The chairs noted that although the document received a lot of support, eval= uation of consensus to adopt should primarily be driven by substantive comm= ents (technical or otherwise) of which there were several on differing part= s of the document. The text of the current document covers two main parts that may be categori= zed into standards track and informational track. The first part is related to the association of resources to Segment Routin= g Identifiers (SIDs) that: * is specifically referenced in the SPRING charter for mapping segments= to forwarding behaviors * received strong support, including from technical reviewers * is the main goal of the draft, stating nearly the full draft abstract= : " This document describes the mechanism to associate network resource at= tributes to Segment Routing Identifiers (SIDs). Such SIDs are referred to = as resource-aware SIDs in this document. The resource-aware SIDs retain th= eir original forwarding semantics, but with the additional semantics to ide= ntify the set of network resources available for the packet processing acti= on. The resource-aware SIDs can therefore be used to build SR paths with a= set of reserved network resources." While this part of the specification still requires some work in order to s= pecify resource-aware semantics for all or a subset of existing SIDs, the c= hairs feel that consensus to adopt this part of the document was reached an= d that this should form the basis of a standards track document. Therefore,= authors can you please publish a WG document covering only this first part= ; the document should: * avoid the use of VPN related terms in the filename, title, abstract, = page headers etc. * only cover the normative specification of "resource-aware SIDs" * have a filename that reflects the core idea of "resource-aware SIDs" = and start with draft-ietf-spring... (suggestion draft-ietf-spring-resource-= aware-segments-00) In addition, please indicate on the mailing list whether you are aware of a= ny undisclosed relevant IPR. Macroscopically, the above will involve removing sections 4 and 5 of the cu= rrent document, and maybe the penultimate sentence in the abstract. In addi= tion, the current section 3 (control plane) will need to be significantly r= e-scoped although this may happen as part of the normal WG document process= . In the future, it will also need to precisely define the new information/= parameters that would need to be advertised in the control plane; only leav= ing the encoding to the corresponding protocol specific documents. Now woul= d be better, but it may be done in the future given the agreement on the sc= ope of this document. The second part is related to the building of virtual networks (e.g. VPN, V= PN+, VNT, enhanced VPN...). This part is not primarily an extension to segm= ent/SID, and seems less mature, informational in nature, and one way of bui= lding an end-to-end service using a set of building blocks, while other met= hods are possible and may be equally valid. Therefore, this part may be des= cribed in an informational document independent from the standards track do= cument. Depending on the direction that authors choose to follow, this subj= ect may have adherence with the BESS and TEAS WGs, which would need to be c= onsidered. Alternatively, the document could follow the direction of an app= licability statement or recipe on how to provide, in an SR network, dedicat= ed resources for some services (e.g .VPN, IP TV replication service...). Authors, you are encouraged to publish a second informational document (ind= ividual-ID) covering the non-resource-aware-SIDs parts (with pointers to th= e standard track document used as a building block) and then have the WG re= view and then reevaluate that part of the adoption call. Thanks, Jim, Joel, & Bruno --_000_fd9490bd36c84820abbb14920e2707f5huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Chairs,

 

Thanks a lot for your guidance in moving forward with this docume= nt. We have submitted the first part as standard track, and will continue t= o work on the rest as informational.

 

And I am unaware of any undisclosed relevant IPR.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 11:32 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] Conclusion of WG adoption call for draft-dong-spri= ng-sr-for-enhanced-vpn

 

Dear SPRING WG:

This email concludes the WG adop= tion call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn. 

The chairs noted that although t= he document received a lot of support, evaluation of consensus to adopt sho= uld primarily be driven by substantive comments (technical or otherwise) of= which there were several on differing parts of the document. 

The text of the current document= covers two main parts that may be categorized into standards track and inf= ormational track.

The first part is related to the= association of resources to Segment Routing Identifiers (SIDs) that:<= /o:p>

  • is specifically referenced in the SPRING charter for m= apping segments to forwarding behaviors
  • received strong support, including from technical revi= ewers
  • is the main goal of the draft, stating nearly the full= draft abstract:

   " Th= is document describes the mechanism to associate network resource attribute= s to Segment Routing Identifiers (SIDs).  Such SIDs are referred to as= resource-aware SIDs in this document.  The resource-aware SIDs retain their original forwarding semantics, but with the additional semantics to = identify the set of network resources available for the packet processing a= ction.  The resource-aware SIDs can therefore be used to build SR path= s with a set of reserved network resources."

While this part of the specifica= tion still requires some work in order to specify resource-aware semantics = for all or a subset of existing SIDs, the chairs feel that consensus to ado= pt this part of the document was reached and that this should form the basis of a standards track document. Therefo= re, authors can you please publish a WG document covering only this first p= art; the document should:

  • avoid the use of VPN related terms in the filename, ti= tle, abstract, page headers etc.
  • only cover the normative specification of “resou= rce-aware SIDs”
  • have a filename that reflects the core idea of “= resource-aware SIDs” and start with draft-ietf-spring… (suggest= ion draft-ietf-spring-resource-aware-segments-00)

    • In addition, please indicate on = the mailing list whether you are aware of any undisclosed relevant IPR.

    Macroscopically, the above will = involve removing sections 4 and 5 of the current document, and maybe the pe= nultimate sentence in the abstract. In addition, the current section 3 (con= trol plane) will need to be significantly re-scoped although this may happen as part of the normal WG document proce= ss. In the future, it will also need to precisely define the new informatio= n/parameters that would need to be advertised in the control plane; only le= aving the encoding to the corresponding protocol specific documents. Now would be better, but it may be done in th= e future given the agreement on the scope of this document.

    The second part is related to th= e building of virtual networks (e.g. VPN, VPN+, VNT, enhanced VPN...). = This part is not primarily an extension to segment/SID, and seems less matu= re, informational in nature, and one way of building an end-to-end service using a set of building blocks, while ot= her methods are possible and may be equally valid. Therefore, this part may= be described in an informational document independent from the standards t= rack document. Depending on the direction that authors choose to follow, this subject may have adherence w= ith the BESS and TEAS WGs, which would need to be considered. Alternatively= , the document could follow the direction of an applicability statement or = recipe on how to provide, in an SR network, dedicated resources for some services (e.g .VPN, IP TV replica= tion service...).

    Authors, you are encouraged to p= ublish a second informational document (individual-ID) covering the non-res= ource-aware-SIDs parts (with pointers to the standard track document used a= s a building block) and then have the WG review and then reevaluate that part of the adoption call. <= /span>

    Thanks,

    Jim, Joel, & Bruno

     

     

    <= o:p> 

     

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Date:=  2020-07-20 17:11
Subject: Re: [spring]WG Adoptio= n Callfordraft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn

Hi Jie,

IMO, the essence of the probl= em is that an identifier should be introduced to manage and maintain v= irtual network resources,  not whether it is necessary to allocate res= ource related SIDs , because the current SR architecture already supports r= esource related SIDs allocation, there is no limit to that. For example, se= rvice SID (compuated resource related), Node/Adjacency SID(topological reso= urce related), etc. Especially, SRv6 SID encourages programming anything. C= an we say that these SIDs have no resource meaning?

Thus, draft-d= ong-spring-sr-for-e= nhanced-vpn does not introduce any new content on the existing = SR architecture.

For iden= tifier to manage and maintain virtual network resources, draft-peng-teas-ne= twork-slicing firstly to introduce a new identifier (AII) in the network to= unifiedly identify the topology, computing and storage resource. Before th= at, other existing identities only focus on topology resources.

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Just for topology rel= ated resource, Segment Routing with MTR/Flex-algo/AII all support the divis= ion of multiple topological resource, and already support allocatoin of SID= per MT-ID/algorithm/AII. Especially for link resource, the bandwidth of th= e same link can be subdivided into multiple resources. 

If t= hese subdivided resources exist in the form of sub-interface resources, L2-= bundles(rfc8668) provides the method to assign adjacency-SID for members, I= n other words, the allocation of member adjacency SID has already been awar= e of these subdivided resources, each sub-interface has its own link attrib= utes (bandwidth, delay, etc.). 

If there are no sub-interfac= e, the link can also be shared by multiple virtual networks to allocate mul= tiple adjacency SIDs. Under the existing SR architecture, draft-peng-teas-n= etwork-slicing and draft-peng-lsr-algorithm-related-adjacency-sid have alre= ady described the allocation of adjacency SID per AII and algorithm.=


Obviously, the a= bove SR with MTR/Flex-algo/AII are all complete solutions, including contro= l plane extensions and forwarding mechanisms, and they need not make any ch= anges to the SR architecture.

-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn, wha= t can we do under its guidance, or what we can't do without this draft?&nbs= p;


Regards,

Ran


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Hi Ran,

 

Thanks for your comments. While I don=E2=80=99t quite get your point of= objection.  Perhaps you have some misunderstanding about the relation= ship of the=0A= drafts mentioned.

 

RFC 8402 introduced the topology and service sema= ntics of SR SID, this document proposed to add resource semantics to SIDs. = Then MT or Flex-Algo=0A= are control plane mechanism for the distribution of topology-specific SIDs= . The relationship with these documents are described in this draft.

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My reading of draft-peng in LSR an= d TEAS is that they may provide an option of control plane extensions for t= he resource-aware SIDs defined in this=0A= document, which just proves that the enhancement in this document is in th= e right direction, and more work based on it could be done in relevant WGs.=

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Thus my suggestion would be to have the SR enhancement adopted in SPR= ING first, then more discussion about its control plane could happen in oth= er=0A= WGs as the next step.  

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Hope this helps.

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Best regards,=

Jie

 

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Sent: Thu= rsday, July 16, 2020 5:20 PM
To: james.n.guichard@futur= ewei.com; spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.orgSubject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call fordraft-dong-spri= ng-sr-for-enhanced-vpn

 

= Dear WG,

I don't support WG adoption.<= o:p>

It is not a new idea for each Virtual Network to have its ow= n SIDs.

e.g. The earlist description of the SID be allocated= per flex-algorithm and related metric

 information was= in draft-hegdeppsenak-isis-sr-flex-algo-00(2017.7.17) (now is draft-ietf-i= sis-sr-flex-algo) . 

The earlist description of the SID= be allocated per MT was in draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-04(2014.7= .3)

(now is RFC8402 ), and draft-peng-lsr-network-slicing-00= (2019.2.25) describe the

SID be allocated per AII(alias alic= e).  For slice resources,https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-peng-teas-network-slicing-03  

induced slice-id(AII) for slice resources mana= gement, and can differentiate them (e.g. L2 link or L3 interface,

section 7 ), and how to compute= SR-BE or SR-TE path according to AII combined with other criteria.<= o:p>

 

Regards,

Ran

 


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Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for&= nbsp;draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn

Dear WG:

  

This emai= l begins a 2 week WG adoption call = for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ <ht= tps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/&g= t;  ending Wednesday 29th July 2020. &nb= sp;

  
<= br>Please speak up if = you support or oppose adopting this document&= nbsp;into the WG. Please also provide comment= s/reasons for that support (or lack thereof).=  Silence will not be considered consent.

  

Thanks!

  

Jim,&nb= sp;Joel & Bruno

  

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