From nobody Thu Oct 1 00:14:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FAD3A0D7C; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 00:14:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.213, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iOlAUYQavb7V; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 00:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgont.go6lab.si (fgont.go6lab.si [IPv6:2001:67c:27e4::14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86BA83A0A47; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 00:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2800:810:464:399:703e:1672:bc37:bc43] (unknown [IPv6:2800:810:464:399:703e:1672:bc37:bc43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fgont.go6lab.si (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46DC828016B; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 07:14:39 +0000 (UTC) To: "Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" , Alvaro Retana , The IESG Cc: Bruno Decraene , "spring@ietf.org" , Joel Halpern , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming@ietf.org" References: <160089467694.11025.16329903730475278493@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Fernando Gont Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 04:10:31 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 07:14:46 -0000 Pablo & IESG, May I ask why, if you are going against RFC8754, you do it in this documents as opposed to formally update RFC8754? Put another way: what was the point of 6man (and eventually the IETF) of standardizing RFC8754 if then this document is going to change the spec without formally updating it? Thanks, Fernando On 30/9/20 10:18, Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) wrote: [....] > ... >> (1b) It would be nice if the behavior in §4.1.1 were also >> specified using pseudocode. As written, I am not sure if the intent >> is to process any upper-layer header or only specific ones. Is the >> objective for this operation to be similar to the one in >> §4.3.1.2/rfc8754? Please be specific on what is meant by "allowed >> by local configuration". >> > [PC] Yes, we can structure the text in 4.1.1 in pseudocode form. The > [PC] processing is not the same as RFC8754/Section 4.3.1.2. The > “allowed by [PC] local configuration” is to enable the processing of > only specific types [PC] of Upper-layer Headers for packets addressed > to an SRv6 SID of the [PC] specific behaviors. E.g. An operator may > not wish to have BGP sessions [PC] (or in general any TCP traffic) > destined to a local SID, but may want to [PC] enable ICMPv6 packet > processing for OAM purposes. [....] -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 From nobody Thu Oct 1 01:58:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BF73A0E71; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 01:58:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.858 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.858 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.213, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP=0.001, NUMERIC_HTTP_ADDR=1.242, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5zzMfxqWrIQD; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 01:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgont.go6lab.si (fgont.go6lab.si [IPv6:2001:67c:27e4::14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBE3A3A0E70; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 01:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2800:810:464:399:703e:1672:bc37:bc43] (unknown [IPv6:2800:810:464:399:703e:1672:bc37:bc43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fgont.go6lab.si (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 78B1728044D; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 08:58:32 +0000 (UTC) To: Erik Kline , Alvaro Retana Cc: SPRING WG , spring-chairs@ietf.org, Bruno Decraene , The IESG , Joel Halpern , draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming , "'ietf@ietf.org'" References: <160089467694.11025.16329903730475278493@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Fernando Gont Message-ID: <1f580cd4-c21c-af7d-fc76-a025a9caf802@gont.com.ar> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 05:58:24 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 08:58:41 -0000 On 23/9/20 21:22, Erik Kline wrote: > (5) This point is for the IESG to discuss. > > §4.16.1.2 : > >       The End, End.X and End.T behaviors with PSP do not contravene >       Section 4 of [RFC8200] because the destination address of the >       incoming packet is the address of the node executing the > behavior. > > The spring WG's interpretation of rfc8200 was a central point in the > appeal > presented against the WG consensus on this document.  The text above, I > believe, reflects that consensus. > > However, given that the document relies on the spring WG's > interpretation of > rfc8200, I think it would be better if the text is explicit. > > Suggestion: to add at the end of the paragraph> > >    This conclusion represents the consensus interpretation of the > spring WG. > > > This seems like an important -- and entirely reasonable -- thing to note. FWIW, one would expect that, if anything, if a matter is subject to interpretation, it would be for the group that published the spec or the IETF as a whole to discuss the topic. I did my share of reading on how the text in RFC8200 ended up being what it currently is and, if anything, one may say the text is far from perfect -- but the interpretation that this document is making seems to go against the IPv6 architecture, and even contradict the text from previous revisions of the IPv6 specification (before we made the relevant text sloppy in RFC8200). Namely: IPv6 has always forbidden en-route insertion and removal of IPv6 EHs. RFC2460 contains this text (very similar to what's in its predecessor RFC1883): With one exception, extension headers are not examined or processed by any node along a packet's delivery path, until the packet reaches the node (or each of the set of nodes, in the case of multicast) identified in the Destination Address field of the IPv6 header. There, normal demultiplexing on the Next Header field of the IPv6 header invokes the module to process the first extension header, or the upper-layer header if no extension header is present. The contents and semantics of each extension header determine whether or not to proceed to the next header. [....] The exception referred to in the preceding paragraph is the Hop-by- Hop Options header, which carries information that must be examined and processed by every node along a packet's delivery path, including the source and destination nodes. The text highlights that HBH options are processed by every node on the path, and that other EHs are only processed when the packet reaches the address in the "Destination Address" field. Indeed, RHs are processed when the packets get to such destination address, and other EHs and upper layer protocols are processed when the packet reaches the Destination Address. For packets that employ a RH, these later EHs and upper layer protocols will get processed by the node(s) identified in the Destination Address when Segments Left==0 -- that is, by the final destination. In the same timeframe that the rfc2460bis effort (that eventually lead to RFC8200) was being pursued, an individual internet-draft (draft-previdi-6man-segment-routing-header) was proposing to perform en-route header insertion/removal. When this later draft appeared in the radar of 6man participants, there were many objections to such proposal, as it was violating existing standards. The proponents of draft-previdi-6man-segment-routing-header argued that RFC2460 didn't explicitly forbid en-route EH-insertion/removal, and hence their proposal was not violating any specifications. Some of them claimed that the use of the term "processing" was ambiguous. While it was clear to the vast majority of the 6man wg that the IPv6 architecture and the ipv6 specification didn't allow for EH insertion/removal, participants felt that, since the rfc2460bis effort was ongoing, rfc2460bis should take the chance to be crystal clear on this point, to avoid possible future claims that such behavior was allowed. While the document was still in the 6man wg, the proponents of draft-previdi-6man-segment-routing-header resisted any clarifications in this respect (please see ), and hence 6man shippoed for publication a version of the document that didn't spell out the prohibition of en-route EH insertion/removal. During the IETF LC for the document, there was a strong push to have rfc2460bis be explicit about the prohibition of en-route insertion/removal of extension headers, and some subset of the participants crafted the text that eventually made it into RFC8200. Essentially, they spelled out all the prohibited actions, as explicitly sa possible, and added them along the existing text. The resulting text was: Extension headers (except for the Hop-by-Hop Options header) are not processed, inserted, or deleted by any node along a packet's delivery path, until the packet reaches the node (or each of the set of nodes, in the case of multicast) identified in the Destination Address field of the IPv6 header. While the intent was to be more explicit about the things that were prohibited, the addition of these extra terms alongside the existing text ended up introducing a bug in the specification since, as crafted, the text suggests that nodes that get to process EHs also get to e.g. insert and remove EHs. This is why I consider this a bug, and why I've submitted Erratum 6003 on RFC8200. RFC8200 contains, in Appendix B, a summary of the changes from RFC2460, and notes that: o Clarified that extension headers (except for the Hop-by-Hop Options header) are not processed, inserted, or deleted by any node along a packet's delivery path. This spells out the intent of the corresponding text. draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis-13 (the last internet-draft version of RFC8200), it spells out the intent of the specification with even more detail: 01) Added text that Extension headers must never be inserted by any node other than the source of the packet. Finally, draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis-08, the document that was shipped by the 6man wg to the IESG for publication, was indeed very explicit about the serious problems with en-route insertion/removal of EHs: The insertion of Extension Headers by any node other than the source of the packet causes serious problems. Two examples include breaking the integrity checks provided by the Authentication Header Integrity [RFC4302], and breaking Path MTU Discovery which can result in ICMP error messages being sent to the source of the packet that did not insert the header, rather than the node that inserted the header. This very same problems are caused when the node inserting or removing EHs is a node listed in an RH. It is also worth noting that RFC8200 elevated the status of IPv6 to "Internet Standard". Since RFC2460 by no means allows for en-route header insertion/removal/deletion, the incorporation of this "feature" in RFC8200 would have prevented the elevation of IPv6 to Internet Standard. This is yet another indication that Erratum 6003 refers to a bug in the specification, as opposed to an intended protocol behavior that would be a change from the preceding revision of the standard, RFC2460. As per the above, it would seem to me that before a Spring documents makes any arbitrary interpretation of RFC8200 that happens to represent a change to the IPv6 Architecture, 6man should clarify the topic, and if the IPv6 architecture is to be changed, the IETF as a whole should be involved (since that would probably be even out of the scope of 6man). Thanks, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 From nobody Thu Oct 1 11:53:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935CA3A0E48; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 11:53:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.213, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YIkCCQQI-wDB; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailb2.tigertech.net (mailb2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFA483A0E45; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 11:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2Mhs5TT3z1nvmj; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 11:53:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1601578413; bh=lkgyuWKSBXGjWFMzNMFtR1ORcvK9NUpj39dxybZ7988=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=GvCPD9TYkIy4EqpDnCvMUT+zy6rcm3GPQG6YS1hRUTQ5L6DaomnN4/lfi8GcsUSkC WZs+2ddPAgcNAFL8bpiwZiiCaESBtghXT6IOVaZEUL95zDNsTV5U/v2EbtPQt0MeAo Wdo0mqAWbFlbq1zX4/yj3PyQr66LApslWB2PtTjk= X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at b2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C2Mhr3Krsz1nsKM; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 11:53:32 -0700 (PDT) To: Fernando Gont , "Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" , Alvaro Retana , The IESG Cc: "spring@ietf.org" References: <160089467694.11025.16329903730475278493@ietfa.amsl.com> From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 14:53:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-20: and updating 8754? X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 18:53:36 -0000 First, there is a lot of disagreement and vagueness about when one should mark an RFC as "updating" another RFC. So it would be hard for me to claim that you are wrong. But it would also be hard to claim that what you propose is necessary. In this particular case, my reading as shepherd is that the changes relative to 8754 apply only when this document is being implemented. If one is not implementing the behaviors in this document, one does not need to worry about it when implementing 8754. Based on that and my understanding of "updates", I would not expect this document to assert that it updates 8754. Yours, joel On 10/1/2020 3:10 AM, Fernando Gont wrote: > Pablo & IESG, > > May I ask why, if you are going against RFC8754, you do it in this > documents as opposed to formally update RFC8754? > > Put another way: what was the point of 6man (and eventually the IETF) of > standardizing RFC8754 if then this document is going to change the spec > without formally updating it? > > Thanks, > Fernando > > > > > On 30/9/20 10:18, Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) wrote: > [....] >> ... >>> (1b) It would be nice if the behavior in §4.1.1 were also >>> specified using pseudocode. As written, I am not sure if the intent >>> is to process any upper-layer header or only specific ones. Is the >>> objective for this operation to be similar to the one in >>> §4.3.1.2/rfc8754? Please be specific on what is meant by "allowed >>> by local configuration". >>> >> [PC] Yes, we can structure the text in 4.1.1 in pseudocode form. The >> [PC] processing is not the same as RFC8754/Section 4.3.1.2. The >> “allowed by [PC] local configuration” is to enable the processing of >> only specific types [PC] of Upper-layer Headers for packets addressed >> to an SRv6 SID of the [PC] specific behaviors. E.g. An operator may >> not wish to have BGP sessions [PC] (or in general any TCP traffic) >> destined to a local SID, but may want to [PC] enable ICMPv6 packet >> processing for OAM purposes. > [....] > > > From nobody Thu Oct 1 18:19:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FC13A0AA1; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 18:18:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.213, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2lb1da1lp4yi; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 18:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgont.go6lab.si (fgont.go6lab.si [IPv6:2001:67c:27e4::14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18E083A0A9C; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 18:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2800:810:464:399:85a9:9e7:d7fe:7d2c] (unknown [IPv6:2800:810:464:399:85a9:9e7:d7fe:7d2c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fgont.go6lab.si (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B339C2839B6; Fri, 2 Oct 2020 01:18:48 +0000 (UTC) To: "Joel M. Halpern" , "Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" , Alvaro Retana , The IESG Cc: "spring@ietf.org" References: <160089467694.11025.16329903730475278493@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Fernando Gont Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:18:37 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-20: and updating 8754? X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 01:19:00 -0000 Hello, Joel, If this document is specifying a behavior that deviates from RFC8754, then it's hard for me to understand why this document should not be updating RFC8754. Otherwise, it essentially means that one can violate an existing specification at will by simply packing the new behavior with other things that comply with the spec. One would expect that the behavior of a protocol can be explained and understood by reading the core spec and all updating documents. This document not only seems to go outside of Springs charter, but also seems to be updating a bunch of core implications "under the hood", creating not only an specification mess, but also a very bad precedent. RFC8754 is one example. The this document also specifies behavior (PSP) for nodes that fail to comply with a core spec (RFC8200) on which this document is based. And the same is true for other core documents. This seems to me like setting a really bad precendent. Thanks, Fernando On 1/10/20 15:53, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > First, there is a lot of disagreement and vagueness about when one > should mark an RFC as "updating" another RFC.  So it would be hard for > me to claim that you are wrong.  But it would also be hard to claim that > what you propose is necessary. > > In this particular case, my reading as shepherd is that the changes > relative to 8754 apply only when this document is being implemented.  If > one is not implementing the behaviors in this document, one does not > need to worry about it when implementing 8754.  Based on that and my > understanding of "updates", I would not expect this document to assert > that it updates 8754. > > Yours, > joel > > On 10/1/2020 3:10 AM, Fernando Gont wrote: >> Pablo & IESG, >> >> May I ask why, if you are going against RFC8754, you do it in this >> documents as opposed to formally update RFC8754? >> >> Put another way: what was the point of 6man (and eventually the IETF) >> of standardizing RFC8754 if then this document is going to change the >> spec without formally updating it? >> >> Thanks, >> Fernando >> >> >> >> >> On 30/9/20 10:18, Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) wrote: >> [....] >>> ... >>>> (1b) It would be nice if the behavior in §4.1.1 were also >>>> specified using pseudocode. As written, I am not sure if the intent >>>> is to process any upper-layer header or only specific ones. Is the >>>> objective for this operation to be similar to the one in >>>> §4.3.1.2/rfc8754? Please be specific on what is meant by "allowed >>>> by local configuration". >>>> >>> [PC] Yes, we can structure the text in 4.1.1 in pseudocode form. The >>> [PC] processing is not the same as RFC8754/Section 4.3.1.2. The >>> “allowed by [PC] local configuration” is to enable the processing of >>> only specific types [PC] of Upper-layer Headers for packets addressed >>> to an SRv6 SID of the [PC] specific behaviors. E.g. An operator may >>> not wish to have BGP sessions [PC] (or in general any TCP traffic) >>> destined to a local SID, but may want to [PC] enable ICMPv6 packet >>> processing for OAM purposes. >> [....] >> >> >> > -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 From nobody Thu Oct 1 19:56:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B263B3A0B7E; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 19:56:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.213, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dHNpgBT_Rkc3; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 19:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailb2.tigertech.net (mailb2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CF383A0B79; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 19:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2ZQ11gSBz1nv85; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 19:56:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1601607385; bh=JJSIeHHAZ83ixLGU1xKgdtA0wdtMEyDaV9BZ0FHS4fE=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=KQxHan1sWq/N3e7V9az/KOYB6ZKoyZGs3IBu75uu2nYw9CZKBFhKb31UqP2KmHeDy X4ZR3jMmSihN/oRfhe3DWS5hUpNYbzjngFLUU0XS8u6HyD9uZOlQvJR4/K7WFQe2Yq rIrdzk49GV+ejfJDgwE3qBd7DjTsb9nbm9RS5PYU= X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at b2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C2ZPz4YZ7z1ntm0; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 19:56:23 -0700 (PDT) To: Fernando Gont , "Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" , Alvaro Retana , The IESG Cc: "spring@ietf.org" References: <160089467694.11025.16329903730475278493@ietfa.amsl.com> From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: <5e2d87c0-4b1f-0fe2-5da2-bd3a497506fd@joelhalpern.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:56:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-20: and updating 8754? X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 02:56:27 -0000 With regard to the 8200 issue, I consider that I am bound by the IESG decision on your appeal. I understand you disagree with their conclusion. That is between you and them. With regard to the issue of behavioral change, 8754 is explicit that other documents can define other behaviors. That does not change the behaviors defined in 8754. As such, I am having trouble following your reasoning as to why the network programming draft changes 8754. The NP draft does not change the processing rules for the behaviors defined in 8754. When one combines that apparent separation with the lack of specificity or community agreement on how to clarify "updates" tags, I do not see how you can insist that NP needs to be marked as updating 8754. If the IESG decides that they think it should be marked as updating, then we will so mark it. Yours, Joel On 10/1/2020 9:18 PM, Fernando Gont wrote: > Hello, Joel, > > If this document is specifying a behavior that deviates from RFC8754, > then it's hard for me to understand why this document should not be > updating RFC8754. > > Otherwise, it essentially means that one can violate an existing > specification at will by simply packing the new behavior with other > things that comply with the spec. > > One would expect that the behavior of a protocol can be explained and > understood by reading the core spec and all updating documents. > > This document not only seems to go outside of Springs charter, but also > seems to be updating a bunch of core implications "under the hood", > creating not only an specification mess, but also a very bad precedent. > > RFC8754 is one example. The this document also specifies behavior (PSP) > for nodes that fail to comply with a core spec (RFC8200) on which this > document is based. And the same is true for other core documents. > > This seems to me like setting a really bad precendent. > > Thanks, > Fernando > > > > > On 1/10/20 15:53, Joel M. Halpern wrote: >> First, there is a lot of disagreement and vagueness about when one >> should mark an RFC as "updating" another RFC.  So it would be hard for >> me to claim that you are wrong.  But it would also be hard to claim >> that what you propose is necessary. >> >> In this particular case, my reading as shepherd is that the changes >> relative to 8754 apply only when this document is being implemented. >> If one is not implementing the behaviors in this document, one does >> not need to worry about it when implementing 8754.  Based on that and >> my understanding of "updates", I would not expect this document to >> assert that it updates 8754. >> >> Yours, >> joel >> >> On 10/1/2020 3:10 AM, Fernando Gont wrote: >>> Pablo & IESG, >>> >>> May I ask why, if you are going against RFC8754, you do it in this >>> documents as opposed to formally update RFC8754? >>> >>> Put another way: what was the point of 6man (and eventually the IETF) >>> of standardizing RFC8754 if then this document is going to change the >>> spec without formally updating it? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Fernando >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 30/9/20 10:18, Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) wrote: >>> [....] >>>> ... >>>>> (1b) It would be nice if the behavior in §4.1.1 were also >>>>> specified using pseudocode. As written, I am not sure if the intent >>>>> is to process any upper-layer header or only specific ones. Is the >>>>> objective for this operation to be similar to the one in >>>>> §4.3.1.2/rfc8754? Please be specific on what is meant by "allowed >>>>> by local configuration". >>>>> >>>> [PC] Yes, we can structure the text in 4.1.1 in pseudocode form. The >>>> [PC] processing is not the same as RFC8754/Section 4.3.1.2. The >>>> “allowed by [PC] local configuration” is to enable the processing of >>>> only specific types [PC] of Upper-layer Headers for packets addressed >>>> to an SRv6 SID of the [PC] specific behaviors. E.g. An operator may >>>> not wish to have BGP sessions [PC] (or in general any TCP traffic) >>>> destined to a local SID, but may want to [PC] enable ICMPv6 packet >>>> processing for OAM purposes. >>> [....] >>> >>> >>> >> > > From nobody Thu Oct 1 23:49:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DAB3A0AD4; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 23:49:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, bruno.decraene@orange.com, spring-chairs@ietf.org, spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.18.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <160162136660.5833.11713902012784781137@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 23:49:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] spring - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 06:49:27 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Bruno Decraene, a Chair of the spring working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Source Packet Routing in Networking Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Bruno Decraene Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours, 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: sfc lisp Technology Overlap: 6man mpls lsr idr pce rtgwg teas Key Participant Conflict: v6ops opsec People who must be present: Joel M. 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Review comments received during adoption poll have been addressed in this n= ew version. 1. draft name has changed to draft-ietf-spring-segment-protection-sr-te-pat= hs As suggested by Bruno to distinguish procedures in this draft with norm= al=20 Node protection in LFA based mechanism 2. Details for EPE-Sid and example for border node protection added in sec= 3.4 3. New section 4 added for=20 " Determining node can be bypassed" 4. section 6.1 added that contains examples for optimization with same SRGB 5. updated security consideration section. Let me know if you have further comments. Rgds Shraddha Juniper Business Use Only -----Original Message----- From: spring On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.or= g Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 10:22 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: spring@ietf.org Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-segment-protection-sr-te-pa= ths-00.txt [External Email. Be cautious of content] A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of = the IETF. Title : Segment Protection for SR-TE Paths Authors : Shraddha Hegde Chris Bowers Stephane Litkowski Xiaohu Xu Feng Xu Filename : draft-ietf-spring-segment-protection-sr-te-paths-= 00.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2020-09-30 Abstract: Segment routing supports the creation of explicit paths using Adj- Segment-ID (SID), Node-SIDs, and BSIDs. It is important to provide fast reroute (FRR) mechanisms to respond to failures of links and nodes in the Segment-Routed Traffic-Engineered(SR-TE) path. A point of local repair (PLR) can provide FRR protection against the failure of a link in an SR-TE path by examining only the first (top) label in the SR label stack. 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Just leaving below the points I still want to talk about. Thanks! Alvaro. ... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > DISCUSS: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ... > > (1b) It would be nice if the behavior in =C2=A74.1.1 were also specifie= d > > using pseudocode... ... > =C2=A74.1.1 is called from different places, while processing different > behaviors. Is it expected that the "local configuration" will cover each > behavior individually, or will the operator be able to configure a single > policy for all? In either case, it would be good to mention it. > [PC2] In the document we've left 'local configuration' up to an [PC2] implementation. Whether an implementation implements the local [PC2] configuration on an interface as an ACL or globally for all SIDs or p= er [PC2] SID via some API is not for this document to decide, and has no impac= t [PC2] on interoperability. True, it has no impact on interoperability, but it can have an impact on the operation of the network. =C2=A0While not including details about local configuration, I would like to see some guidance on the definition of proper policies. =C2=A0For example, considering your example of allowing ICMPv6, OAM may be important, but forwarding a packet that is not in line with the behavior would not be. Along those lines, the headend policy should be consistent with the behavior and any local configuration. =C2=A0This expectation should also be mentioned somewhere. ... > > (3) The description of the flavors in =C2=A74.16 is also unclear. > ... > For an endpoint behavior that indicates more than one flavor, which one > should be applied? > > For some of the behaviors, 29 (End with PSP&USD) for example, the flavor > used seems to depend on the number of SLs: if received with SL =3D=3D 0, = then > the flavor is USD, but if received with SL =3D=3D 1 then use PSP. But for= other > behaviors, 30 (End with USP&USD) for example, which flavor should be appl= ied > if both are supported? > [PC2] When a behavior (e.g. End) is combined with one or more flavors (e.g. [PC2] USP & USD), their combined pseudocode is what determines the packet [PC2] processing. In the specific example of USP&USD (when SL=3D0), the [PC2] pseudocode would end up first removing the processed SRH and then, [PC2] depending on the next upper-layer header, also removing the outer IPv= 6 [PC2] encapsulation header if/when there is an inner IP packet. Oh, it's the combination; that is not mentioned anywhere. From nobody Wed Oct 7 08:16:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304E13A0A0B; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 08:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.213, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 62x0To0RLYfB; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 08:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailb2.tigertech.net (mailb2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F2FB3A09DE; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 08:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5yb527xlz1p0FM; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 08:16:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1602083761; bh=7uiY5seyz4DajZumcMqVApKGUMWJgLeqVo5i/LYZRJM=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=qhaW/BwVfaDWUp+SkY0sZ6yv1j34gsy93hCgRJUgTr63NrmRYWTy92+4EkyKqjJdi 6O3imkr851NSLT2YdzSm/DyfAaMP+HtFs4hW2vOVd9tO1+X/PlxJbwqNrOnCPPzr4Q lnJymm9oXSH91Cb8k0L4I7bKUU55sML836Mq9HIk= X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at b2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.128.43] (unknown [50.225.209.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C5yb41WW1z1nv8b; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 08:16:00 -0700 (PDT) To: Alvaro Retana , The IESG , "Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" Cc: "draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming@ietf.org" , Bruno Decraene , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" , Joel Halpern , "spring@ietf.org" References: <160089467694.11025.16329903730475278493@ietfa.amsl.com> From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: <75cdbdc8-9406-d80b-4798-18423790edd6@joelhalpern.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 11:15:58 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 15:16:05 -0000 Alvaro, at this point as document shepherd I have to ask if these are still discuss level concerns? Yours, Joel On 10/7/2020 11:04 AM, Alvaro Retana wrote: > On September 30, 2020 at 9:18:37 AM, Pablo Camarillo wrote: > > > Pablo: > > Hi! > > Just leaving below the points I still want to talk about. > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > > ... >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> DISCUSS: >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ... >>> (1b) It would be nice if the behavior in §4.1.1 were also specified >>> using pseudocode... > ... >> §4.1.1 is called from different places, while processing different >> behaviors. Is it expected that the "local configuration" will cover each >> behavior individually, or will the operator be able to configure a single >> policy for all? In either case, it would be good to mention it. >> > [PC2] In the document we've left 'local configuration' up to an > [PC2] implementation. Whether an implementation implements the local > [PC2] configuration on an interface as an ACL or globally for all SIDs or per > [PC2] SID via some API is not for this document to decide, and has no impact > [PC2] on interoperability. > > True, it has no impact on interoperability, but it can have an impact > on the operation of the network.  While not including details about > local configuration, I would like to see some guidance on the > definition of proper policies.  For example, considering your example > of allowing ICMPv6, OAM may be important, but forwarding a packet that > is not in line with the behavior would not be. > > Along those lines, the headend policy should be consistent with the > behavior and any local configuration.  This expectation should also be > mentioned somewhere. > > > ... >>> (3) The description of the flavors in §4.16 is also unclear. >> ... >> For an endpoint behavior that indicates more than one flavor, which one >> should be applied? >> >> For some of the behaviors, 29 (End with PSP&USD) for example, the flavor >> used seems to depend on the number of SLs: if received with SL == 0, then >> the flavor is USD, but if received with SL == 1 then use PSP. But for other >> behaviors, 30 (End with USP&USD) for example, which flavor should be applied >> if both are supported? >> > [PC2] When a behavior (e.g. End) is combined with one or more flavors (e.g. > [PC2] USP & USD), their combined pseudocode is what determines the packet > [PC2] processing. In the specific example of USP&USD (when SL=0), the > [PC2] pseudocode would end up first removing the processed SRH and then, > [PC2] depending on the next upper-layer header, also removing the outer IPv6 > [PC2] encapsulation header if/when there is an inner IP packet. > > Oh, it's the combination; that is not mentioned anywhere. > From nobody Wed Oct 7 08:51:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5D63A0AA6; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 08:51:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.19.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: spring@ietf.org Message-ID: <160208591679.20520.1289315143418517024@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 08:51:56 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-24.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 15:51:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF. Title : SRv6 Network Programming Authors : Clarence Filsfils Pablo Camarillo Garvia John Leddy Daniel Voyer Satoru Matsushima Zhenbin Li Filename : draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-24.txt Pages : 44 Date : 2020-10-07 Abstract: The SRv6 Network Programming framework enables a network operator or an application to specify a packet processing program by encoding a sequence of instructions in the IPv6 packet header. Each instruction is implemented on one or several nodes in the network and identified by an SRv6 Segment Identifier in the packet. This document defines the SRv6 Network Programming concept and specifies the base set of SRv6 behaviors that enables the creation of interoperable overlays with underlay optimization. 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"spring-chairs@ietf.org" , Bruno Decraene , "draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming@ietf.org" , Joel Halpern Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000061554105b116f233" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 16:10:01 -0000 --00000000000061554105b116f233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Pablo! I=E2=80=99m clearing my DISCUSS. Alvaro. On October 7, 2020 at 12:08:27 PM, Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) ( pcamaril@cisco.com) wrote: Note that we have just posted rev24 as per the comments below. --00000000000061554105b116f233 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Thanks Pablo!

I=E2=80=99m clearing my DISCUSS.

Alvaro.

On October 7, 2020 at 12:08:27 PM, Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) (pcamaril@cisco.com) wrote:

Note that we have just poste= d rev24 as per the comments below.
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As this is a software sitting on a server you can have a swiss army knife server that does everything from PCE path computation to Netconf/Yang ZTP & Day N provisioning as well as any SDN Controller ODL or Openflow controller type functions as well. How this comes into play and realization of the lines being blurred is the use of BGP-LS in building the IGP topological graph of the network which was designed for PCEP and PCE & PCC active & passive off line path computation for both RSVP-TE or SR-TE path instantiation. However now BGP-LS can also be used for other functions now such as usage as I am a Shepherd reviewing a draft for BGP-LS usage for BIER to use BGP-LS to gather the elements internals within BIER using the same BGP-LS data structures to populate with BIER specific information to graph the BIER topology. So here we are not doing any path computations as we are using in this use case for NMS type function to gather data for ZTP & Day N provisioning. Similarly other use cases such as with TEAS TS-Transport slice and being able to provision TS and capturing the TS Enhanced VPN RT & resource information and leveraging BGP-LS to do the same data gathering & ZTP like controller style provisioning. It does seem as though BGP-LS as its a means of "data gathering" "dump truck" of anything with the kitchen sink included to build any type of topological graph of literally anything under the sun. I see that is a nice to leverage but it does in fact blur the lines of NMS Netconf/Yang Controller based functionality and PCE path computation functionality and SDN controller based ZTP functionality into a single ubiquitous server that can do all of the above and use BGP-LS to accomplish the "kitchen sink" tasks. It does however transform BGP to be an NMS tool but a "tool" and not just the original function which it was intended NLRI network reachability. Am I off base and please let me know as its BGP-LS is being way over leveraged. There are pros & cons to everything but I thought I would bring up to the WG as an important discussion point. Lots of food for thought. Welcome all comments as well as concerns related to this topic. Kind Regards, *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD --0000000000000bf09f05b15621d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear TEAS, PCE, IDR, LSR, BESS, BIER=C2=A0 = Spring Working Groups,

I have noticed that after reviewi= ng many drafts across many WGs it seems in the industry that the lines seem= to be blurred between a PCE controller, ODL or Openflow SDN Controller and= a Netconf/Yang NMS Controller ZTP & Day X provisioning.

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As this is a software sitting on a server you can have a swiss a= rmy knife server that does everything from PCE path computation to=C2=A0 Ne= tconf/Yang ZTP & Day N provisioning as well as any SDN Controller ODL o= r Openflow controller type functions as well.

How = this comes into play and realization of the lines being blurred is the use = of BGP-LS in building the IGP topological graph of the network which was de= signed for PCEP and PCE & PCC active & passive off line path comput= ation for both RSVP-TE or SR-TE path instantiation.=C2=A0=C2=A0
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However now BGP-LS can also be used for other functions now s= uch as usage as I am a Shepherd reviewing a draft for BGP-LS usage for BIER= to use BGP-LS to gather the elements internals within BIER using the same = BGP-LS data structures to populate with BIER specific information to graph = the BIER topology.=C2=A0 So here we are not doing any path computations as = we are using in this use case=C2=A0 for NMS type function to gather data fo= r ZTP & Day N provisioning.

Similarly other us= e cases such as with TEAS TS-Transport slice and being able to provision TS= and capturing the TS Enhanced VPN RT & resource information and levera= ging BGP-LS to do the same data gathering & ZTP like controller style p= rovisioning.=C2=A0

It does seem as though BGP-LS a= s its a means of "data gathering" "dump truck" of anyth= ing with the kitchen sink included to build any type of topological graph o= f literally anything under the sun.=C2=A0 I see that is a nice to leverage = but it does in fact blur the lines of NMS Netconf/Yang Controller based fun= ctionality and=C2=A0 PCE path computation functionality and SDN controller = based ZTP functionality into a single ubiquitous server that can do all of = the above and use BGP-LS to accomplish the "kitchen sink" tasks.= =C2=A0 It does however transform BGP to be an NMS tool but a "tool&quo= t; and not just the original function which it was intended NLRI network re= achability.

Am I off base and please let me k= now as its BGP-LS is being way over leveraged.=C2=A0 There are pros & c= ons to everything but I thought I would bring up to the WG as an important = discussion point.

Lots of food for thought.=C2=A0 = Welcome all comments as well as concerns related to this topic.
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Kind Regards,

Gyan Mishra

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Network Solutions A<= /i>rchitect=C2=A0=

M 301 502-1347
13101 Columbia Pi= ke=C2=A0
Silver Spring, MD


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So BGP can still remain as light weight or as heavy weight as desired based on the design objective. ! BGP LS IAIA codepoints https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-ls-parameters/bgp-ls-parameters.xhtml So its safe to say that the use cases are pretty limitless for BGP-LS from PCE path instantiation to ZTP & Day X provisioning & configuration. I think "dump drunk" depiction of BGP-LS is really a negative perception, as BGP-LS has the native data structures primitives to build customizable TLV's to meet almost any design objective. Comments welcome. Kind Regards Gyan On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 3:26 PM Gyan Mishra wrote: > > Dear TEAS, PCE, IDR, LSR, BESS, BIER Spring Working Groups, > > I have noticed that after reviewing many drafts across many WGs it seems > in the industry that the lines seem to be blurred between a PCE controller, > ODL or Openflow SDN Controller and a Netconf/Yang NMS Controller ZTP & Day > X provisioning. > > As this is a software sitting on a server you can have a swiss army knife > server that does everything from PCE path computation to Netconf/Yang ZTP > & Day N provisioning as well as any SDN Controller ODL or Openflow > controller type functions as well. > > How this comes into play and realization of the lines being blurred is the > use of BGP-LS in building the IGP topological graph of the network which > was designed for PCEP and PCE & PCC active & passive off line path > computation for both RSVP-TE or SR-TE path instantiation. > > However now BGP-LS can also be used for other functions now such as usage > as I am a Shepherd reviewing a draft for BGP-LS usage for BIER to use > BGP-LS to gather the elements internals within BIER using the same BGP-LS > data structures to populate with BIER specific information to graph the > BIER topology. So here we are not doing any path computations as we are > using in this use case for NMS type function to gather data for ZTP & Day > N provisioning. > > Similarly other use cases such as with TEAS TS-Transport slice and being > able to provision TS and capturing the TS Enhanced VPN RT & resource > information and leveraging BGP-LS to do the same data gathering & ZTP like > controller style provisioning. > > It does seem as though BGP-LS as its a means of "data gathering" "dump > truck" of anything with the kitchen sink included to build any type of > topological graph of literally anything under the sun. I see that is a > nice to leverage but it does in fact blur the lines of NMS Netconf/Yang > Controller based functionality and PCE path computation functionality and > SDN controller based ZTP functionality into a single ubiquitous server that > can do all of the above and use BGP-LS to accomplish the "kitchen sink" > tasks. It does however transform BGP to be an NMS tool but a "tool" and > not just the original function which it was intended NLRI network > reachability. > > Am I off base and please let me know as its BGP-LS is being way over > leveraged. There are pros & cons to everything but I thought I would bring > up to the WG as an important discussion point. > > Lots of food for thought. Welcome all comments as well as concerns > related to this topic. > > Kind Regards, > > > > *Gyan Mishra* > > *Network Solutions A**rchitect * > > > > *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD > > -- *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD --00000000000052820105b18600e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All

Another way of loo= king at BGP-LS is that it is an extremely powerful tool for centralized con= troller based architectures or hybrid architectures, and it does not bog do= wn or impact the agility and lightweight aspects of BGP, as BGP has its ove= rall ability to stack & pile on SAFI's and codepoint's as neces= sary to meet the desired design objectives.=C2=A0 So BGP can still remain a= s light weight or as heavy=C2=A0weight as desired based on the design objec= tive.

! BGP LS IAIA codepoints

So its safe to say that the use= cases are pretty limitless for BGP-LS from PCE path instantiation to ZTP &= amp; Day X provisioning & configuration.=C2=A0 I think "dump drunk= " depiction of BGP-LS is really a negative perception, as BGP-LS has t= he native data structures primitives to build customizable TLV's to mee= t almost any design objective.=C2=A0

Comments welc= ome.

Kind Regards

Gyan



On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 3:26 PM Gyan Mishra <= hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrot= e:

Dear TEAS, PCE, IDR, LSR, BESS, BIER=C2=A0 Spring Workin= g Groups,

I have noticed that after reviewing many draft= s across many WGs it seems in the industry that the lines seem to be blurre= d between a PCE controller, ODL or Openflow SDN Controller and a Netconf/Ya= ng NMS Controller ZTP & Day X provisioning.

As= this is a software sitting on a server you can have a swiss army knife ser= ver that does everything from PCE path computation to=C2=A0 Netconf/Yang ZT= P & Day N provisioning as well as any SDN Controller ODL or Openflow co= ntroller type functions as well.

How this comes in= to play and realization of the lines being blurred is the use of BGP-LS in = building the IGP topological graph of the network which was designed for PC= EP and PCE & PCC active & passive off line path computation for bot= h RSVP-TE or SR-TE path instantiation.=C2=A0=C2=A0

However now BGP-LS can also be used for other functions now such as usage = as I am a Shepherd reviewing a draft for BGP-LS usage for BIER to use BGP-L= S to gather the elements internals within BIER using the same BGP-LS data s= tructures to populate with BIER specific information to graph the BIER topo= logy.=C2=A0 So here we are not doing any path computations as we are using = in this use case=C2=A0 for NMS type function to gather data for ZTP & D= ay N provisioning.

Similarly other use cases such = as with TEAS TS-Transport slice and being able to provision TS and capturin= g the TS Enhanced VPN RT & resource information and leveraging BGP-LS t= o do the same data gathering & ZTP like controller style provisioning.= =C2=A0

It does seem as though BGP-LS as its a mean= s of "data gathering" "dump truck" of anything with the= kitchen sink included to build any type of topological graph of literally = anything under the sun.=C2=A0 I see that is a nice to leverage but it does = in fact blur the lines of NMS Netconf/Yang Controller based functionality a= nd=C2=A0 PCE path computation functionality and SDN controller based ZTP fu= nctionality into a single ubiquitous server that can do all of the above an= d use BGP-LS to accomplish the "kitchen sink" tasks.=C2=A0 It doe= s however transform BGP to be an NMS tool but a "tool" and not ju= st the original function which it was intended NLRI network reachability.

Am I off base and please let me know as its BG= P-LS is being way over leveraged.=C2=A0 There are pros & cons to everyt= hing but I thought I would bring up to the WG as an important discussion po= int.

Lots of food for thought.=C2=A0 Welcome all c= omments as well as concerns related to this topic.

Kind= Regards,


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Barbara Barbara Stark NomCom Chair 2020 nomcom-chair-2020 at ietf.org _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce From nobody Wed Oct 21 18:37:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9F33A0F02; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:37:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S1W4ZM7buiWk; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEF943A0F06; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id CEE55BD304B1249FE490; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 02:37:06 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.51) by lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 02:37:06 +0100 Received: from DGGEML423-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.40) by lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 02:37:05 +0100 Received: from DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.15]) by dggeml423-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.40]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:37:00 +0800 From: "Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)" To: "spring@ietf.org" CC: "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Presentation slot request in SPRING WG - IETF109 Thread-Index: AdannfvjDlwGqFxyRYKGESI5E/pCcw== Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 01:36:59 +0000 Message-ID: <4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE194ADFC7@DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.153.195.37] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE194ADFC7DGGEML532MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [spring] Presentation slot request in SPRING WG - IETF109 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 01:37:11 -0000 --_000_4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE194ADFC7DGGEML532MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, We will continue to using the Google Form to collect presentation slot requ= ests in the SPRING WG for this IETF109. Please fill in your request in the = following Form. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEJ90WoDxTFGRXiNhFgKADPFdOTtSpetI= 9geRNw1FfzsSRqw/viewform If there is any issue for you to access this Form, please send your request= directly to spring-chairs@ietf.org. Thank you! Best regards, Shuping --_000_4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE194ADFC7DGGEML532MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all,

We will continue to using the G= oogle Form to collect presentation slot requests in the SPRING WG for this = IETF109. Please fill in your request in the following Form.

 

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEJ90WoDxTFGRXiNhFgKADPFdOT= tSpetI9geRNw1FfzsSRqw/viewform

 

If there is any issue for you t= o access this Form, please send your request directly to spring-chairs@ietf= .org.

 

Thank you!

Best regards,=

Shuping

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear WG: This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for document https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 ending November 12th 2020. Pl= ease note that this document has several changes from v-10 that were reques= ted by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this reason, the chairs have extende= d the adoption call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to r= eview these changes before deciding on WG adoption. Some background: Several review comments were received previously for document https://tools= .ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10. The SPRING and IPPM chair= s considered those comments, and upon review of this version of the documen= t, determined the following: * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to S= PRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any extensions. Se= veral extensions including Control Code Field Extension for TWAMP Light Mes= sages, Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, and Loss Measurement Resp= onse Message Extensions were included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-= gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 and should be removed from the SPRING document. * The TWAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 should be described in a new document published i= n the IPPM WG. These conclusions were discussed with the authors of https://tools.ietf.or= g/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 the result of which is the publica= tion of the following two documents: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11. The su= bject of this WG adoption call. * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-twamp-srpm-00. This doc= ument will be progressed (if determined by the WG) within the IPPM WG. After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG= adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha= t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent. Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts in th= is matter. Thanks! Jim, Bruno, & Joel --_000_DM6PR13MB3066F695F1ABFC22C52CEA3BD21D0DM6PR13MB3066namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear WG:

 

This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for do= cument https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 ending No= vember 12th 2020. Please note that this document has several cha= nges from v-10 that were requested by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this = reason, the chairs have extended the adoption call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to re= view these changes before deciding on WG adoption.

 

Some background:  

 

Several review comments were received previously for= document h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10. The SPRING and IPPM chairs considered those comments, = and upon review of this version of the document, determined the following:<= o:p>

 

  • The SPRING document should describe only the pro= cedures relevant to SPRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that defi= ne any extensions. Several extensions including Control Code Field Extension for TWAMP= Light Messages, Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, and Loss Measurement Res= ponse Message Extensions were included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 a= nd should be removed from the SPRING document.
  • The TWAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 should be described in a new document published in the= IPPM WG.  

 

These conclusions were discusse= d with the authors of  https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-g= andhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 the result of which is the publication of th= e following two documents:

 

 

After review of the SPRING docu= ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comme= nts/reasons for that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be consi= dered as consent.

&nbs= p;

Finally, = the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts in this matter= .

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Bruno, & Joel

 

 

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear WG: This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03, ending November 12th 2020. Please not= e that this document has several changes from v-02 that were requested by t= he SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this reason, the chairs have extended the ad= option call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to review th= ese changes before deciding on WG adoption. Some background: Several review comments were received previously for document https://tools= .ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02. The SPRING and IPPM chair= s considered those comments, and upon review of this version of the documen= t, determined the following: * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to S= PRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any extensions. Se= veral extensions including Control Code Field Extension for STAMP Messages,= Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, Loss Measurement Response Messa= ge Extensions, Node Address TLV Extensions, and Return Path TLV Extensions = were included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm= -02 and should be removed from the SPRING document. * The STAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 should be described in a new document published i= n the IPPM WG. These conclusions were discussed with the authors of https://tools.ietf.org= /html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 the result of which is the publicat= ion of the following two documents: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03. The su= bject of this WG adoption call. * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm-00. This doc= ument will be progressed (if determined by the WG) within the IPPM WG. After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG= adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha= t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent. Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts in th= is matter. Thanks! Jim, Bruno, & Joel --_000_DM6PR13MB3066C5FBF6F679E4F51C3D29D21D0DM6PR13MB3066namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear WG:

 

This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03, ending N= ovember 12th 2020. Please note that this document has several ch= anges from v-02 that were requested by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this= reason, the chairs have extended the adoption call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to re= view these changes before deciding on WG adoption.

 

Some background:  

 

Several review comments were received previously for= document h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02. The SPRING and IPPM chairs considered those comments, = and upon review of this version of the document, determined the following:<= o:p>

 

  • The SPRING document should describe only the pro= cedures relevant to SPRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that defi= ne any extensions. Several extensions including Control Code Field Extension fo= r STAMP Messages, Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, Loss Measurement Respons= e Message Extensions, Node Address TLV Extensions, and = ;Return Path TLV Extensions were include= d in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 and= should be removed from the SPRING document.
  • The STAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 should be described in a new document published in the= IPPM WG.  

 

These conclusions were discusse= d with the authors of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 the= result of which is the publication of the following two documents:

 

 

After review of the SPRING docu= ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comme= nts/reasons for that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be consi= dered as consent.

&nbs= p;

Finally, = the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts in this matter= .

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Bruno, & Joel

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09:55:13 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 Thread-Index: Adaobz3858vbu82jQ/ClUjOYTy5CmQEXfbzg Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:55:13 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.243.140] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297F3B479dggeml510mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:55:23 -0000 --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297F3B479dggeml510mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support the adoption (as co-author). Best regards, Mach From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 8:52 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 Dear WG: This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for document https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 ending November 12th 2020. Pl= ease note that this document has several changes from v-10 that were reques= ted by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this reason, the chairs have extende= d the adoption call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to r= eview these changes before deciding on WG adoption. Some background: Several review comments were received previously for document https://tools= .ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10. The SPRING and IPPM chair= s considered those comments, and upon review of this version of the documen= t, determined the following: * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to S= PRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any extensions. Se= veral extensions including Control Code Field Extension for TWAMP Light Mes= sages, Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, and Loss Measurement Resp= onse Message Extensions were included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-= gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 and should be removed from the SPRING document. * The TWAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 should be described in a new document published i= n the IPPM WG. These conclusions were discussed with the authors of https://tools.ietf.or= g/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 the result of which is the publica= tion of the following two documents: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11. The su= bject of this WG adoption call. * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-twamp-srpm-00. This doc= ument will be progressed (if determined by the WG) within the IPPM WG. After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG= adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha= t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent. Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts in th= is matter. Thanks! Jim, Bruno, & Joel --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297F3B479dggeml510mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support the adoption (as co-author).

 

Best regards,

Mach

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 8:52 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/d= raft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11

 

Dear WG:

 

This message starts a 3 week WG= adoption call for document h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 ending Nov= ember 12th 2020. Please note that this document has several chan= ges from v-10 that were requested by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this reason, the chairs have extended t= he adoption call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to revi= ew these changes before deciding on WG adoption.

 

Some background:  

 

Several review comments were re= ceived previously for document h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10. The SPRING and IPPM chairs considered those com= ments, and upon review of this version of the document, determined the foll= owing:

 

  • The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to SPR= ING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any extensions. Seve= ral extensions including Control Code Field Extension for TWAMP Light Messages, Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, and&n= bsp;Loss Measurement Response Message Extensions were included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 and shou= ld be removed from the SPRING document.
  • The TWAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-= twamp-srpm-10 should be described in a new document published= in the IPPM WG.  

 

These conclusions were discusse= d with the authors of  https://tools.ietf.o= rg/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 the result of which is the publication of the following two documents:

 

 

After review of the SPRING docu= ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for that s= upport (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.=

 

Finally, the chairs would like = to thank the authors for their efforts in this matter.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Bruno, & Joel

 

 

 

 

 

--_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297F3B479dggeml510mbschi_-- From nobody Tue Oct 27 18:56:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAFFE3A0994; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 18:56:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mDJxKCOxlvoD; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 18:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D12BC3A0992; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 18:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml740-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 23E202DB653705C1AD13; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:56:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml740-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.190) by lhreml740-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.190) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:56:09 +0000 Received: from DGGEML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.50) by lhreml740-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.190) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:56:09 +0000 Received: from DGGEML510-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.184]) by dggeml406-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.50]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 09:56:03 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03 Thread-Index: Adaoaxv73543NQYjR7aQ9fY490xJIQEYkrHQ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:56:03 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.243.140] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297F3B48Adggeml510mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:56:14 -0000 --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297F3B48Adggeml510mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support the adoption (as co-author). Best regards, Mach From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 8:52 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03 Dear WG: This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03, ending November 12th 2020. Please not= e that this document has several changes from v-02 that were requested by t= he SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this reason, the chairs have extended the ad= option call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to review th= ese changes before deciding on WG adoption. Some background: Several review comments were received previously for document https://tools= .ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02. The SPRING and IPPM chair= s considered those comments, and upon review of this version of the documen= t, determined the following: * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to S= PRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any extensions. Se= veral extensions including Control Code Field Extension for STAMP Messages,= Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, Loss Measurement Response Messa= ge Extensions, Node Address TLV Extensions, and Return Path TLV Extensions = were included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm= -02 and should be removed from the SPRING document. * The STAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 should be described in a new document published i= n the IPPM WG. These conclusions were discussed with the authors of https://tools.ietf.org= /html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 the result of which is the publicat= ion of the following two documents: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03. The su= bject of this WG adoption call. * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm-00. This doc= ument will be progressed (if determined by the WG) within the IPPM WG. After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG= adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha= t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent. Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts in th= is matter. Thanks! Jim, Bruno, & Joel --_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297F3B48Adggeml510mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support the adoption (as co-author).

 

Best regards,

Mach

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 8:52 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/d= raft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03

 

Dear WG:

 

This message starts a 3 week WG= adoption call for h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03, ending No= vember 12th 2020. Please note that this document has several cha= nges from v-02 that were requested by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this reason, the chairs have extended t= he adoption call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to revi= ew these changes before deciding on WG adoption.

 

Some background:  

 

Several review comments were re= ceived previously for document h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02. The SPRING and IPPM chairs considered those com= ments, and upon review of this version of the document, determined the foll= owing:

 

  • The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to SPR= ING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any extensions. Seve= ral extensions including Control Code Field Extension for STAMP Messages, Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, Los= s Measurement Response Message Extensions, Node Address TLV Extensions, and Return Path TLV Extensions were included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-= stamp-srpm-02 and should be removed from the SPRING document.
  • The STAMP extensions included = in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-= stamp-srpm-02 should be described in a new document published= in the IPPM WG.  

 

These conclusions were discusse= d with the authors of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-= stamp-srpm-02 the result of which is the publication of the following t= wo documents:

 

 

After review of the SPRING docu= ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for that s= upport (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.=

 

Finally, the chairs would like = to thank the authors for their efforts in this matter.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Bruno, & Joel

--_000_F73A3CB31E8BE34FA1BBE3C8F0CB2AE297F3B48Adggeml510mbschi_-- From nobody Tue Oct 27 19:26:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721923A0B68; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:26:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.344 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.344 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.247, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=neutral reason="invalid (unsupported algorithm ed25519-sha256)" header.d=uniroma2.it header.b=TyCuO7x6; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=uniroma2.it header.b=I7jGghbD Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d5XS6d8sbqsW; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.uniroma2.it (smtp.uniroma2.it [160.80.6.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9C243A0B1A; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpauth-2019-1.uniroma2.it (smtpauth.uniroma2.it [160.80.5.46]) by smtp-2015.uniroma2.it (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8) with ESMTP id 09S2QH8a003849; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 03:26:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.89] (93-36-192-249.ip61.fastwebnet.it [93.36.192.249]) by smtpauth-2019-1.uniroma2.it (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 32FCD12005F; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 03:26:12 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uniroma2.it; s=ed201904; t=1603851972; h=from:from:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=e2Wr8DGwLqr01tlYm8s66RklT2VuCilqeTBYf52Fm38=; b=TyCuO7x6f0lab3zZzbVMNxkcUrQwZe3PpZvkE9V99Ht9f4u9qJ6e7OVf6YEZeq+16ohg9i dKqfxexOzBR21RDg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uniroma2.it; s=rsa201904; t=1603851972; h=from:from:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=e2Wr8DGwLqr01tlYm8s66RklT2VuCilqeTBYf52Fm38=; b=I7jGghbDAFQCbwWNViWDi2YjY0Q8RCTsruI22f1QimiMk9HOdRtrOmR01vlgtXp7M7EjrT Qi2uJNMgLRIQKLbmt56/sV9esd+W2mQy4po51T+ECJtCO24ZsLYT4oT3PbaLKYqlEM4IZH kK3n9m6/6auT1fI0LNszrC5890SMmJib343QJFuYFwPf4XBiowoww7PuA5QZNvK/soWzU9 o2BqQBXEgp6T/5nbRoMFUvehA9YKvRSTAt/RmEk3P7WnW1FhcF1JH6p4kQ+VGZ3DAQSSl6 6iAyRNIrMp36keMNWqkGCZ/eyBPOCPfNNJnJ6FakkJ9WJjrw+zY+hgB58q/i+w== To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" Cc: "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" References: From: Stefano Salsano Message-ID: <0a7074d5-b55a-5340-802a-f106faf51a3c@uniroma2.it> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 03:26:06 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: it-IT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.0 at smtp-2015 X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 02:26:38 -0000 I support the adoption of this document FYI, we've used a previous version of this document and we've done an implementation and setup a testbed, please see results described in: P. Loreti et. al. SRv6-PM: Performance Monitoring of SRv6 Networks with a Cloud-Native Architecture, submitted to IEEE TNSM, special issue on Advanced Management of Softwarized Networks (minor revision submitted) https://arxiv.org/pdf/2007.08633.pdf P. Loreti et. al. Implementation of Accurate Per-Flow Packet Loss Monitoring in Segment Routing over IPv6 Networks, IEEE International Conference on High Performance Switching and Routing, (HPSR 2020), 11-14 May 2020, Virtual Conference https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.11414.pdf Stefano Il 2020-10-22 14:51, James Guichard ha scritto: > Dear WG: > > This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for document > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 ending > November 12^th 2020. Please note that this document has several changes > from v-10 that were requested by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this > reason, the chairs have extended the adoption call for an additional > week to allow the WG enough time to review these changes before deciding > on WG adoption. > > Some background: > > Several review comments were received previously for document > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10. The > SPRING and IPPM chairs considered those comments, and upon review of > this version of the document, determined the following: > > * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to > SPRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any > extensions. Several extensions including***Control Code Field > Extension for TWAMP Light Messages*, *Loss Measurement Query Message > Extensions*, and *Loss Measurement Response Message Extensions *were > included > inhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 and > should be removed from the SPRING document. > * The TWAMP extensions included in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 should > be described in a new document published in the IPPM WG. > > These conclusions were discussed with the authors of > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 the result > of which is the publication of the following two documents: > > * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11. The > subject of this WG adoption call. > * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-twamp-srpm-00. This > document will be progressed (if determined by the WG) within the > IPPM WG. > > After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for > WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons > for that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as > consent. > > Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts in > this matter. > > Thanks! > > Jim, Bruno, & Joel > > **// > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > -- ******************************************************************* Stefano Salsano Professore Associato Dipartimento Ingegneria Elettronica Universita' di Roma Tor Vergata Viale Politecnico, 1 - 00133 Roma - ITALY http://netgroup.uniroma2.it/Stefano_Salsano/ E-mail : stefano.salsano@uniroma2.it Cell. : +39 320 4307310 Office : (Tel.) +39 06 72597770 (Fax.) +39 06 72597435 ******************************************************************* From nobody Tue Oct 27 19:27:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85F43A0BC2; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:27:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.344 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.344 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.247, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=neutral reason="invalid (unsupported algorithm ed25519-sha256)" header.d=uniroma2.it header.b=fIAs7N9n; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=uniroma2.it header.b=B0Cpzqch Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3sOf1KV_j5Yq; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.uniroma2.it (smtp.uniroma2.it [160.80.6.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25BF63A0B68; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpauth-2019-1.uniroma2.it (smtpauth.uniroma2.it [160.80.5.46]) by smtp-2015.uniroma2.it (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8) with ESMTP id 09S2RA3Z003857; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 03:27:15 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.89] (93-36-192-249.ip61.fastwebnet.it [93.36.192.249]) by smtpauth-2019-1.uniroma2.it (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B70B712005F; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 03:27:05 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uniroma2.it; s=ed201904; t=1603852025; h=from:from:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=mPCcabOHb5PMj/aisZCFSXXFgA2kLkSc96ME5GL7kWY=; b=fIAs7N9nYRbF+9Lyvc4uOVAUSGvDnTnc6zGoUrD4QbuV6ibKrw4b8/JPdKEKNJkijihA1W h7CX5PYgfxk663CA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uniroma2.it; s=rsa201904; t=1603852025; h=from:from:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=mPCcabOHb5PMj/aisZCFSXXFgA2kLkSc96ME5GL7kWY=; b=B0Cpzqch+Slx5kCAbhosPttFI/IQB7o/OPNy9wWSdgsip2VMlGOPJ/R2ekfE0XetnTX3Eo 5D2dSQOT5ZRDPTOKgZpuBDGVS6l9bC2y/ULujBxeMOTZ/7wsyftkNMnXI10dhfwN0IksNk MyKwMhAJSGZ3aDfYkx6DO6NOA8nealq2dqnYaLES6WXqAdYxd/QB7PBeU0Emzhams5gCad WNlh2VjeDcFp16Bk2G8ZrPkhSZ2CUMZm78gnML0NGO5/nG/7pfzgtEDTimvasE0swDSycd XAPRO8SmJ89ytmLeN2pYxRfAiQWhBqL02DdinoUNm94MCVZPfEAmG9LpbVhcMg== To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" Cc: "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" References: From: Stefano Salsano Message-ID: <25533f20-9796-cf24-8e99-18f4d4137664@uniroma2.it> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 03:27:02 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: it-IT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.0 at smtp-2015 X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 02:27:32 -0000 I support the adoption of this document Stefano Il 2020-10-22 14:51, James Guichard ha scritto: > Dear WG: > > This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03, ending > November 12^th 2020. Please note that this document has several changes > from v-02 that were requested by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this > reason, the chairs have extended the adoption call for an additional > week to allow the WG enough time to review these changes before deciding > on WG adoption. > > Some background: > > Several review comments were received previously for document > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02. The > SPRING and IPPM chairs considered those comments, and upon review of > this version of the document, determined the following: > > * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to > SPRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any > extensions. Several extensions including*Control Code Field > Extension for STAMP Messages*, *Loss Measurement Query Message > Extensions*, *Loss Measurement Response Message Extensions*, *Node > Address TLV Extensions*, and *Return Path TLV Extensions*were > included > inhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 and > should be removed from the SPRING document. > * The STAMP extensions included in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 should > be described in a new document published in the IPPM WG. > > These conclusions were discussed with the authors of > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 the result > of which is the publication of the following two documents: > > * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03. The > subject of this WG adoption call. > * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm-00. This > document will be progressed (if determined by the WG) within the > IPPM WG. > > After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for > WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons > for that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as > consent. > > Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts in > this matter. > > Thanks! > > Jim, Bruno, & Joel > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > -- ******************************************************************* Stefano Salsano Professore Associato Dipartimento Ingegneria Elettronica Universita' di Roma Tor Vergata Viale Politecnico, 1 - 00133 Roma - ITALY http://netgroup.uniroma2.it/Stefano_Salsano/ E-mail : stefano.salsano@uniroma2.it Cell. : +39 320 4307310 Office : (Tel.) +39 06 72597770 (Fax.) +39 06 72597435 ******************************************************************* From nobody Tue Oct 27 19:29:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost 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([2601:647:5c00:e83:1598:4df4:6af8:47aa]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i30sm3652177pgb.81.2020.10.27.19.43.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Tantsura Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:43:41 -0700 Message-Id: References: <0a7074d5-b55a-5340-802a-f106faf51a3c@uniroma2.it> Cc: James Guichard , ippm-chairs@ietf.org, spring-chairs@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <0a7074d5-b55a-5340-802a-f106faf51a3c@uniroma2.it> To: spring@ietf.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18A8395) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 02:43:47 -0000 Yes/support=20 Regards, Jeff > On Oct 27, 2020, at 19:26, Stefano Salsano w= rote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFI support the adoption of this document >=20 > FYI, we've used a previous version of this document and we've done an impl= ementation and setup a testbed, please see results described in: >=20 > P. Loreti et. al. =E2=80=9CSRv6-PM: Performance Monitoring of SRv6 Network= s with a Cloud-Native Architecture=E2=80=9D, submitted to IEEE TNSM, special= issue on =E2=80=9CAdvanced Management of Softwarized Networks=E2=80=9D (min= or revision submitted) > https://arxiv.org/pdf/2007.08633.pdf >=20 > P. Loreti et. al. =E2=80=9CImplementation of Accurate Per-Flow Packet Loss= Monitoring in Segment Routing over IPv6 Networks=E2=80=9D, > IEEE International Conference on High Performance Switching and Routing, (= HPSR 2020), 11-14 May 2020, Virtual Conference > https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.11414.pdf >=20 > Stefano >=20 >=20 > Il 2020-10-22 14:51, James Guichard ha scritto: >> Dear WG: >> This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for document https://tools.= ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 ending November 12^th 2020. P= lease note that this document has several changes from v-10 that were reques= ted by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this reason, the chairs have extended= the adoption call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to rev= iew these changes before deciding on WG adoption. >> Some background: >> Several review comments were received previously for document https://too= ls.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10. The SPRING and IPPM chai= rs considered those comments, and upon review of this version of the documen= t, determined the following: >> * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to >> SPRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any >> extensions. Several extensions including***Control Code Field >> Extension for TWAMP Light Messages*, *Loss Measurement Query Message >> Extensions*, and *Loss Measurement Response Message Extensions *were >> included >> inhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 and >> should be removed from the SPRING document. >> * The TWAMP extensions included in >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 should >> be described in a new document published in the IPPM WG. These conclus= ions were discussed with the authors of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 the result of which is the publication of the foll= owing two documents: >> * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11. The >> subject of this WG adoption call. >> * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-twamp-srpm-00. This >> document will be progressed (if determined by the WG) within the >> IPPM WG. >> After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for W= G adoption to the mailing list. 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Regards Gyan On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:44 PM Jeff Tantsura wrote: > Yes/support > > Regards, > Jeff > > > On Oct 27, 2020, at 19:26, Stefano Salsano > wrote: > > > > =EF=BB=BFI support the adoption of this document > > > > FYI, we've used a previous version of this document and we've done an > implementation and setup a testbed, please see results described in: > > > > P. Loreti et. al. =E2=80=9CSRv6-PM: Performance Monitoring of SRv6 Netw= orks with > a Cloud-Native Architecture=E2=80=9D, submitted to IEEE TNSM, special iss= ue on > =E2=80=9CAdvanced Management of Softwarized Networks=E2=80=9D (minor revi= sion submitted) > > https://arxiv.org/pdf/2007.08633.pdf > > > > P. Loreti et. al. =E2=80=9CImplementation of Accurate Per-Flow Packet L= oss > Monitoring in Segment Routing over IPv6 Networks=E2=80=9D, > > IEEE International Conference on High Performance Switching and Routing= , > (HPSR 2020), 11-14 May 2020, Virtual Conference > > https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.11414.pdf > > > > Stefano > > > > > > Il 2020-10-22 14:51, James Guichard ha scritto: > >> Dear WG: > >> This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for document > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 ending > November 12^th 2020. Please note that this document has several changes > from v-10 that were requested by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this > reason, the chairs have extended the adoption call for an additional week > to allow the WG enough time to review these changes before deciding on WG > adoption. > >> Some background: > >> Several review comments were received previously for document > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10. The SPRING > and IPPM chairs considered those comments, and upon review of this versio= n > of the document, determined the following: > >> * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to > >> SPRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any > >> extensions. Several extensions including***Control Code Field > >> Extension for TWAMP Light Messages*, *Loss Measurement Query Messag= e > >> Extensions*, and *Loss Measurement Response Message Extensions *wer= e > >> included > >> inhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 and > >> should be removed from the SPRING document. > >> * The TWAMP extensions included in > >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 shoul= d > >> be described in a new document published in the IPPM WG. These > conclusions were discussed with the authors of > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 the result > of which is the publication of the following two documents: > >> * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11. The > >> subject of this WG adoption call. > >> * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-twamp-srpm-00. This > >> document will be progressed (if determined by the WG) within the > >> IPPM WG. > >> After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) > for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons > for that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as > consent. > >> Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts > in this matter. > >> Thanks! > >> Jim, Bruno, & Joel > >> **// > >> _______________________________________________ > >> spring mailing list > >> spring@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > > > > > -- > > ******************************************************************* > > Stefano Salsano > > Professore Associato > > Dipartimento Ingegneria Elettronica > > Universita' di Roma Tor Vergata > > Viale Politecnico, 1 - 00133 Roma - ITALY > > > > http://netgroup.uniroma2.it/Stefano_Salsano/ > > > > E-mail : stefano.salsano@uniroma2.it > > Cell. : +39 320 4307310 > > Office : (Tel.) +39 06 72597770 (Fax.) +39 06 72597435 > > ******************************************************************* > > > > _______________________________________________ > > spring mailing list > > spring@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > --=20 *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD --0000000000001c3d6c05b2b5a83b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support WG adoption of this document.

Regards=C2=A0

Gyan

O= n Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:44 PM Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes/support

Regards,
Jeff

> On Oct 27, 2020, at 19:26, Stefano Salsano <stefano.salsano@uniroma2.it&g= t; wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BFI support the adoption of this document
>
> FYI, we've used a previous version of this document and we've = done an implementation and setup a testbed, please see results described in= :
>
> P. Loreti et. al. =E2=80=9CSRv6-PM: Performance Monitoring of SRv6 Net= works with a Cloud-Native Architecture=E2=80=9D, submitted to IEEE TNSM, sp= ecial issue on =E2=80=9CAdvanced Management of Softwarized Networks=E2=80= =9D (minor revision submitted)
> https://arxiv.org/pdf/2007.08633.pdf
>
> P. Loreti et. al. =E2=80=9CImplementation of Accurate Per-Flow Packet = Loss Monitoring in Segment Routing over IPv6 Networks=E2=80=9D,
> IEEE International Conference on High Performance Switching and Routin= g, (HPSR 2020), 11-14 May 2020, Virtual Conference
> https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.11414.pdf
>
> Stefano
>
>
> Il 2020-10-22 14:51, James Guichard ha scritto:
>> Dear WG:
>> This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for document https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-sprin= g-twamp-srpm-11 ending November 12^th 2020. Please note that this docum= ent has several changes from v-10 that were requested by the SPRING and IPP= M chairs. For this reason, the chairs have extended the adoption call for a= n additional week to allow the WG enough time to review these changes befor= e deciding on WG adoption.
>> Some background:
>> Several review comments were received previously for document https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-= spring-twamp-srpm-10. The SPRING and IPPM chairs considered those comme= nts, and upon review of this version of the document, determined the follow= ing:
>>=C2=A0 * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures re= levant to
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 SPRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that de= fine any
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 extensions. Several extensions including***Control Co= de Field
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Extension for TWAMP Light Messages*, *Loss Measuremen= t Query Message
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Extensions*, and *Loss Measurement Response Message E= xtensions *were
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 included
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 inhttps://tools.ie= tf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 and
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 should be removed from the SPRING document.
>>=C2=A0 * The TWAMP extensions included in
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://tools.iet= f.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 should
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 be described in a new document published in the IPPM = WG. These conclusions were discussed with the authors of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srp= m-10 the result of which is the publication of the following two docume= nts:
>>=C2=A0 * https://tools.ietf.org= /html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11. The
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 subject of this WG adoption call.
>>=C2=A0 * https://tools.ietf.org/h= tml/draft-gandhi-ippm-twamp-srpm-00. This
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 document will be progressed (if determined by the WG)= within the
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 IPPM WG.
>> After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or no= t) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reason= s for that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as c= onsent.
>> Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors for their effo= rts in this matter.
>> Thanks!
>> Jim, Bruno, & Joel
>> **//
>> _______________________________________________
>> spring mailing list
>> spring@ietf.o= rg
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring
>
>
> --
> ******************************************************************* > Stefano Salsano
> Professore Associato
> Dipartimento Ingegneria Elettronica
> Universita' di Roma Tor Vergata
> Viale Politecnico, 1 - 00133 Roma - ITALY
>
> http://netgroup.uniroma2.it/Stefano_Salsano/ >
> E-mail=C2=A0 : stefano.salsano@uniroma2.it
> Cell.=C2=A0 =C2=A0: +39 320 4307310
> Office=C2=A0 : (Tel.) +39 06 72597770 (Fax.) +39 06 72597435
> ******************************************************************* >
> _______________________________________________
> spring mailing list
> spring@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring
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--_000_SN6PR13MB23343857DF4F12CD7C3BFEC385170SN6PR13MB2334namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support, Linda Dunbar From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 8:52 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.o= rg Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03 Dear WG: This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03, ending November 12th 2020. Please note that t= his document has several changes from v-02 that were requested by the SPRIN= G and IPPM chairs. For this reason, the chairs have extended the adoption c= all for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to review these chan= ges before deciding on WG adoption. Some background: Several review comments were received previously for document https://tools= .ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02. The SPRING and IPPM chairs cons= idered those comments, and upon review of this version of the document, det= ermined the following: * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to S= PRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any extensions. Se= veral extensions including Control Code Field Extension for STAMP Messages,= Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, Loss Measurement Response Messa= ge Extensions, Node Address TLV Extensions, and Return Path TLV Extensions = were included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm= -02 an= d should be removed from the SPRING document. * The STAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 should be described in a new document published in the IP= PM WG. These conclusions were discussed with the authors of https://tools.ietf.org= /html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 the result of which is the publication of t= he following two documents: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03. The subject of t= his WG adoption call. * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm-00. This document will be = progressed (if determined by the WG) within the IPPM WG. After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG= adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha= t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent. Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts in th= is matter. Thanks! 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This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF. Title : SR Replication Segment for Multi-point Service Delivery Authors : Daniel Voyer (editor) Clarence Filsfils Rishabh Parekh Hooman Bidgoli Zhaohui Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-spring-sr-replication-segment-01.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2020-10-28 Abstract: This document describes the SR Replication segment for Multi-point service delivery. A SR Replication segment allows a packet to be replicated from a replication node to downstream nodes. 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Thu, 29 Oct 2020 07:42:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.21.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: spring@ietf.org Message-ID: <160398257023.20850.17914291661880157324@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 07:42:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-sr-replication-segment-02.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 14:42:50 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF. Title : SR Replication Segment for Multi-point Service Delivery Authors : Daniel Voyer Clarence Filsfils Rishabh Parekh Hooman Bidgoli Zhaohui Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-spring-sr-replication-segment-02.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2020-10-29 Abstract: This document describes the SR Replication segment for Multi-point service delivery. A SR Replication segment allows a packet to be replicated from a replication node to downstream nodes. 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Regards, Jakob. From: spring On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 5:52 AM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03 Dear WG: This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03, ending November 12th 2020. Please not= e that this document has several changes from v-02 that were requested by t= he SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this reason, the chairs have extended the ad= option call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to review th= ese changes before deciding on WG adoption. Some background: Several review comments were received previously for document https://tools= .ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02. The SPRING and IPPM chair= s considered those comments, and upon review of this version of the documen= t, determined the following: * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to S= PRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any extensions. Se= veral extensions including Control Code Field Extension for STAMP Messages,= Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, Loss Measurement Response Messa= ge Extensions, Node Address TLV Extensions, and Return Path TLV Extensions = were included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm= -02 and should be removed from the SPRING document. * The STAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 should be described in a new document published i= n the IPPM WG. These conclusions were discussed with the authors of https://tools.ietf.org= /html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 the result of which is the publicat= ion of the following two documents: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03. The su= bject of this WG adoption call. * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm-00. This doc= ument will be progressed (if determined by the WG) within the IPPM WG. After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG= adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha= t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent. Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts in th= is matter. Thanks! Jim, Bruno, & Joel --_000_BYAPR11MB32075A3CECD2DA0FF1AD17D1C0140BYAPR11MB3207namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 5:52 AM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/d= raft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03

 

Dear WG:

 

This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03, ending N= ovember 12th 2020. Please note that this document has several ch= anges from v-02 that were requested by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this= reason, the chairs have extended the adoption call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to re= view these changes before deciding on WG adoption.

 

Some background:  

 

Several review comments were received previously for= document h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02. The SPRING and IPPM chairs considered those comments, = and upon review of this version of the document, determined the following:<= o:p>

 

  • The SPRING document should describe only the pro= cedures relevant to SPRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that defi= ne any extensions. Several extensions including Control Code Field Extension fo= r STAMP Messages, Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, Loss Measurement Respons= e Message Extensions, Node Address TLV Extensions, and = ;Return Path TLV Extensions were include= d in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 and= should be removed from the SPRING document.
  • The STAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 should be described in a new document published in the= IPPM WG.  

 

These conclusions were discusse= d with the authors of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 the= result of which is the publication of the following two documents:

 

 

After review of the SPRING docu= ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack there= of) as silence will not be considered as consent.

 

Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors = for their efforts in this matter.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Bruno, & Joel

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Regards, Jakob. From: spring On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 5:52 AM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 Dear WG: This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for document https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 ending November 12th 2020. Pl= ease note that this document has several changes from v-10 that were reques= ted by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this reason, the chairs have extende= d the adoption call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to r= eview these changes before deciding on WG adoption. Some background: Several review comments were received previously for document https://tools= .ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10. The SPRING and IPPM chair= s considered those comments, and upon review of this version of the documen= t, determined the following: * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to S= PRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any extensions. Se= veral extensions including Control Code Field Extension for TWAMP Light Mes= sages, Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, and Loss Measurement Resp= onse Message Extensions were included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-= gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 and should be removed from the SPRING document. * The TWAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 should be described in a new document published i= n the IPPM WG. These conclusions were discussed with the authors of https://tools.ietf.or= g/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 the result of which is the publica= tion of the following two documents: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11. The su= bject of this WG adoption call. * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-twamp-srpm-00. This doc= ument will be progressed (if determined by the WG) within the IPPM WG. After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG= adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha= t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent. Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts in th= is matter. Thanks! Jim, Bruno, & Joel --_000_BYAPR11MB3207C2101821E513AAFD1E5FC0140BYAPR11MB3207namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Suppo= rt.

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Regar= ds,

Jakob= .

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From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 5:52 AM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/d= raft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11

 

Dear WG:

 

This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for do= cument https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 ending No= vember 12th 2020. Please note that this document has several cha= nges from v-10 that were requested by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this = reason, the chairs have extended the adoption call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to re= view these changes before deciding on WG adoption.

 

Some background:  

 

Several review comments were received previously for= document h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10. The SPRING and IPPM chairs considered those comments, = and upon review of this version of the document, determined the following:<= o:p>

 

  • The SPRING document should describe only the pro= cedures relevant to SPRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that defi= ne any extensions. Several extensions including Control Code Field Extension fo= r TWAMP Light Messages, Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, and Loss Measurement Res= ponse Message Extensions were included in https://tools.ietf.o= rg/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 and should be removed from th= e SPRING document.
  • The TWAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 should be described in a new document published in the= IPPM WG.  

 

These conclusions were discusse= d with the authors of  https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-= spring-twamp-srpm-10 the result of which is the publication of the following two documents:

 

 

After review of the SPRING docu= ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack there= of) as silence will not be considered as consent.

 

Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors = for their efforts in this matter.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Bruno, & Joel

 

 

 

 

 

--_000_BYAPR11MB3207C2101821E513AAFD1E5FC0140BYAPR11MB3207namp_-- From nobody Thu Oct 29 15:19:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB813A07C4; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 15:19:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.21.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: spring@ietf.org Message-ID: <160400999207.11350.12673547825078323519@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 15:19:52 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-sr-replication-segment-03.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 22:19:52 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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However, there are some encoding format changes among versions, ho= pe the encoding format can be stable in the following revision ASAP. Many thanks for the authors' contribution! Thanks, Cheng From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 8:52 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 Dear WG: This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for document https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 ending November 12th 2020. Pl= ease note that this document has several changes from v-10 that were reques= ted by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this reason, the chairs have extende= d the adoption call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to r= eview these changes before deciding on WG adoption. Some background: Several review comments were received previously for document https://tools= .ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10. The SPRING and IPPM chair= s considered those comments, and upon review of this version of the documen= t, determined the following: * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to S= PRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any extensions. Se= veral extensions including Control Code Field Extension for TWAMP Light Mes= sages, Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, and Loss Measurement Resp= onse Message Extensions were included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-= gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 and should be removed from the SPRING document. * The TWAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 should be described in a new document published i= n the IPPM WG. These conclusions were discussed with the authors of https://tools.ietf.or= g/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 the result of which is the publica= tion of the following two documents: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11. The su= bject of this WG adoption call. * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-twamp-srpm-00. This doc= ument will be progressed (if determined by the WG) within the IPPM WG. After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG= adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha= t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent. Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts in th= is matter. Thanks! Jim, Bruno, & Joel --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02C801DEdggeml529mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi WG,

 

Support. However, ther= e are some encoding format changes among versions, hope the encoding format= can be stable in the following revision ASAP.

 

Many thanks for the au= thors’ contribution!

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org]= On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 8:52 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/d= raft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11

 

Dear WG:

 

This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for do= cument https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 ending No= vember 12th 2020. Please note that this document has several cha= nges from v-10 that were requested by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this = reason, the chairs have extended the adoption call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to re= view these changes before deciding on WG adoption.

 

Some background:  

 

Several review comments were received previously for= document h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10. The SPRING and IPPM chairs considered those comments, = and upon review of this version of the document, determined the following:<= o:p>

 

  • The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to SPR= ING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any extensions. Seve= ral extensions including Control Code Field Extension for TWAMP Light Messages, Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, and&n= bsp;Loss Measurement Response Message Extensions were included in https://tools.ietf.o= rg/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 and should be removed from th= e SPRING document.
  • The TWAMP= extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 should be described in a new document published in the= IPPM WG.  

 

These conclusions were discusse= d with the authors of  https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-= spring-twamp-srpm-10 the result of which is the publication of the following two documents:

 

 

After review of the SPRING docu= ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack there= of) as silence will not be considered as consent.

 

Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors = for their efforts in this matter.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Bruno, & Joel

 

 

 

 

 

--_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02C801DEdggeml529mbxchi_-- From nobody Thu Oct 29 19:42:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCF73A0AAD; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 19:42:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uqq3mVa0ADzB; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 19:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9D563A0A3B; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 19:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml710-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 243DCF9356D1222F23FF; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 02:42:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml710-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.61) by lhreml710-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.61) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 02:42:48 +0000 Received: from DGGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.32) by lhreml710-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.61) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 02:42:48 +0000 Received: from DGGEML529-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.6.249]) by DGGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::89ed:853e:30a9:2a79%31]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 10:42:42 +0800 From: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" To: James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03 Thread-Index: Adaoaxv73543NQYjR7aQ9fY490xJIQF+wiJQ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 02:42:41 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.243.130] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02C80551dggeml529mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 02:42:53 -0000 --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02C80551dggeml529mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, I have read the document and think this document is useful. Support the ado= ption. Thanks, Cheng From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 8:52 PM To: spring@ietf.org Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03 Dear WG: This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03, ending November 12th 2020. Please not= e that this document has several changes from v-02 that were requested by t= he SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this reason, the chairs have extended the ad= option call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to review th= ese changes before deciding on WG adoption. Some background: Several review comments were received previously for document https://tools= .ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02. The SPRING and IPPM chair= s considered those comments, and upon review of this version of the documen= t, determined the following: * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to S= PRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any extensions. Se= veral extensions including Control Code Field Extension for STAMP Messages,= Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, Loss Measurement Response Messa= ge Extensions, Node Address TLV Extensions, and Return Path TLV Extensions = were included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm= -02 and should be removed from the SPRING document. * The STAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ga= ndhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 should be described in a new document published i= n the IPPM WG. These conclusions were discussed with the authors of https://tools.ietf.org= /html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 the result of which is the publicat= ion of the following two documents: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03. The su= bject of this WG adoption call. * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm-00. This doc= ument will be progressed (if determined by the WG) within the IPPM WG. After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG= adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha= t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent. Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts in th= is matter. Thanks! Jim, Bruno, & Joel --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02C80551dggeml529mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi WG,

 

I have read the docume= nt and think this document is useful. Support the adoption.

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

 

 

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org]= On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 8:52 PM
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: ippm-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/d= raft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03

 

Dear WG:

 

This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03, ending N= ovember 12th 2020. Please note that this document has several ch= anges from v-02 that were requested by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this= reason, the chairs have extended the adoption call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to re= view these changes before deciding on WG adoption.

 

Some background:  

 

Several review comments were received previously for= document h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02. The SPRING and IPPM chairs considered those comments, = and upon review of this version of the document, determined the following:<= o:p>

 

  • The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to SPR= ING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any extensions. Seve= ral extensions including Control Code Field Extension for STAMP Messages, Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, Los= s Measurement Response Message Extensions, Node Address TLV Extensions, and Return Path TLV Extensions were included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 and= should be removed from the SPRING document.
  • The STAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 should be described in a new document published in the= IPPM WG.  

 

These conclusions were discusse= d with the authors of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02 the= result of which is the publication of the following two documents:

 

 

After review of the SPRING docu= ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack there= of) as silence will not be considered as consent.

 

Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors = for their efforts in this matter.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Bruno, & Joel

--_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02C80551dggeml529mbxchi_-- From nobody Thu Oct 29 21:30:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA36F3A0147; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 21:30:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.144 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.144 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.247, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LfXiu4P4q-UO; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 21:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 924C43A0114; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 21:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (unknown [124.104.122.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28CBF3279BC; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 05:30:09 +0100 (CET) To: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" , James Guichard , "spring@ietf.org" Cc: "ippm-chairs@ietf.org" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" References: From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 12:30:06 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 04:30:17 -0000 Working Group, I support adopting this document. However I have one question; if it leads to (very small) changes in the document, this can be done after the adoption. I'm looking at HMAC-SHA: Consists of two parts HMAC: Hashed Message Authentication Code (expanded in the document). SHA: Secure Hash Algorithm (not expanded, but on the other hand it an well-known abbreviation) When we combine two abbreviations what rules apply, is it enough that eachpart is expanded "somewhere" even if the parts are found at different places. Or does the rule "expand at first occurrence apply? I guess that in part this depends on whether we view HMAC-SHA as one unit or two separate parts? And how familiar we believe our readers are with the abbreviations. I don't have a strong opinion on this, but would suggest that we place HMAC-SHA in the "Abbreviations" in section 2.2 and expamnd it fully. On 30/10/2020 10:01, Chengli (Cheng Li) wrote: > Hi WG, > > Support. However, there are some encoding format changes among versions, > hope the encoding format can be stable in the following revision ASAP. > > Many thanks for the authors contribution! > > Thanks, > > Cheng > > *From:* spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *James > Guichard > *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2020 8:52 PM > *To:* spring@ietf.org > *Cc:* ippm-chairs@ietf.org; spring-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* [spring] WG Adoption Call for > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 > > Dear WG: > > This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for document > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11 ending > November 12^th 2020. Please note that this document has several changes > from v-10 that were requested by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this > reason, the chairs have extended the adoption call for an additional > week to allow the WG enough time to review these changes before deciding > on WG adoption. > > Some background: > > Several review comments were received previously for document > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10. The > SPRING and IPPM chairs considered those comments, and upon review of > this version of the document, determined the following: > > * The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to > SPRING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any > extensions. Several extensions including*Control Code Field > Extension for TWAMP Light Messages*, *Loss Measurement Query Message > Extensions*, and *Loss Measurement Response Message Extensions *were > included in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 and > should be removed from the SPRING document. > * The TWAMP extensions included in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 should > be described in a new document published in the IPPM WG. > > These conclusions were discussed with the authors of > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-10 the result > of which is the publication of the following two documents: > > * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-twamp-srpm-11. The > subject of this WG adoption call. > * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-twamp-srpm-00. This > document will be progressed (if determined by the WG) within the > IPPM WG. > > After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for > WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons > for that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as > consent. > > Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors for their efforts in > this matter. > > Thanks! > > Jim, Bruno, & Joel > > // > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert loa.pi.nu@gmail.com Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Thu Oct 29 22:30:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6863A3A09AD; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 22:30:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Erik Kline via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming@ietf.org, spring-chairs@ietf.org, spring@ietf.org, Bruno Decraene , Joel Halpern , jmh@joelhalpern.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.21.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Erik Kline Message-ID: <160403582139.7690.4146012513758826488@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 22:30:21 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] Erik Kline's No Objection on draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-24: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 05:30:22 -0000 Erik Kline has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-24: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think my main comments were addressed between -20 and -24; thanks. 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Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03

 

Dear WG:

 

This message starts a 3 week WG adoption call for https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-03, ending N= ovember 12th 2020. Please note that this document has several ch= anges from v-02 that were requested by the SPRING and IPPM chairs. For this= reason, the chairs have extended the adoption call for an additional week to allow the WG enough time to re= view these changes before deciding on WG adoption.

 

Some background:  

 

Several review comments were received previously for= document https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-02. The SPRING and IPPM chairs considered those comments, and upon review of th= is version of the document, determined the following:

 

  • The SPRING document should describe only the procedures relevant to SPR= ING with pointers to non-SPRING document/s that define any extensions. Seve= ral extensions including Control Code Field Extension for STAMP Messages, Loss Measurement Query Message Extensions, Los= s Measurement Response Message Extensions, Node Address TLV Extensions, and Return Path TLV Extensions were included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-sta= mp-srpm-02 and should be removed from the SPRING document.<= /o:p>
  • = The STAMP extensions included in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp= -srpm-02 should be described in a new document published in the= IPPM WG.  

 

These conclusions were discusse= d with the authors of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp= -srpm-02 the result of which is the publication of the following two documents:

 

 

After review of the SPRING docu= ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack there= of) as silence will not be considered as consent.

 

Finally, the chairs would like to thank the authors = for their efforts in this matter.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, Bruno, & Joel