From nobody Tue Jul 28 06:47:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977F43A0CA9 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 06:47:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OT-K5CFqibQ4 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 06:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 650B23A0CB3 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 06:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml720-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id D7E37EA75C81A66B7380 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:47:28 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml720-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.71) by lhreml720-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:47:28 +0100 Received: from DGGEML421-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.38) by lhreml720-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:47:28 +0100 Received: from DGGEML509-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.171]) by dggeml421-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.38]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:47:26 +0800 From: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" To: "srcomp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-FLEX-ADDRESS-PLANNING-00 Thread-Index: AdZk5YTZentTHDMdSmam/dFDQ6zsEw== Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:47:25 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.182.70] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B34563dggeml509mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-FLEX-ADDRESS-PLANNING-00 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:47:41 -0000 --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B34563dggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Short Name: Flexible IPv6 address Planning Description: The compression mechanism MUST support flexible IPv6 address p= lanning, and MUST NOT require for specific address type and address value. = Also, It MUST support to be deployed by using GLA, ULA and other unicast ad= dress types. Rationale: The address planning of the network is vary based on the address= schema of the operator, so the solution MUST support flexible address plan= ning. Operators need to deploy the solution based on their own addresses pl= anning. Metric: if the solution only works when using a specific address type, or s= ome specific address value, that is not compliant. If it require one or som= e specific prefixes, that is not compliant. Cheng --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B34563dggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Short Name: Flexible IPv6 addre= ss Planning

 

Description: The compression me= chanism MUST support flexible IPv6 address planning, and MUST NOT require f= or specific address type and address value. Also, It MUST support to be dep= loyed by using GLA, ULA and other unicast address types.

 

Rationale: The address planning= of the network is vary based on the address schema of the operator, so the= solution MUST support flexible address planning. Operators need to deploy = the solution based on their own addresses planning.

 

Metric: if the solution only wo= rks when using a specific address type, or some specific address value, tha= t is not compliant. If it require one or some specific prefixes, that is no= t compliant.

 

Cheng

 

 

 

--_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B34563dggeml509mbschi_-- From nobody Tue Jul 28 07:14:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582433A0DC0 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:13:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z7DhQrupzubo for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC7893A0D6C for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml739-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 58F50DC025BEBB57A5C9 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:13:43 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml739-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.189) by lhreml739-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.189) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:13:38 +0100 Received: from DGGEML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.49) by lhreml739-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.189) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:13:38 +0100 Received: from DGGEML509-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.171]) by dggeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.49]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 22:12:15 +0800 From: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" To: "srcomp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-LOSSLESS-COMPRESSION-00 Thread-Index: AdZk6E5gVARJGfSxS2ujKDi/BUNm6Q== Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:12:15 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.182.70] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B34593dggeml509mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-LOSSLESS-COMPRESSION-00 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:13:57 -0000 --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B34593dggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Short Name: The compression should be lossless, meaning the compressed SID = List should have the same info. Description: The information of the compressed SID list MUST be consistent = with the original SID List. The information MUST NOT be lost in compression= . For example, a strict path TE SID List CAN NOT be compressed to a loose p= ath TE SID list, and the compressed SID List MUST carry the same informatio= n. Rationale: The compression is aiming to reduce the overhead of the packet, = and it should not change the forwarding path. Metric: if the solution is lossless, then it is compliant, otherwise, not. Chen --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B34593dggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Short Name: The compression sho= uld be lossless, meaning the compressed SID List should have the same info.=

 

Description: The information of= the compressed SID list MUST be consistent with the original SID List. The= information MUST NOT be lost in compression. For example, a strict path TE= SID List CAN NOT be compressed to a loose path TE SID list, and the compressed SID List MUST carry the same in= formation.

 

Rationale: The compression is a= iming to reduce the overhead of the packet, and it should not change the fo= rwarding path.

 

Metric: if the solution is loss= less, then it is compliant, otherwise, not.

 

Chen

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wim, Two to the sixteenth power is only 65k. If you want to support 1 million se= rvices, you need 20 bits, not 16. The EVPN VNI is 24-bits long. Given that EVPN is a fastest growing VPN serv= ice, I suggest that we may actually need 24 bits. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia = - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:17 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] From: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" > Date: Monday, 27 July 2020 at 18:07 To: "scromp@ietf.org" > Subject: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 Short Name: Service scale Description: The compression mechanism must support > 1Million services (>1= 6bit) Rationale: Some network operators deploy networks which requires > 500K ser= vices. 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Wim,

 

Two to the sixteenth power is only 65k. If you want = to support 1 million services, you need 20 bits, not 16.

 

The EVPN VNI is 24-bits long. Given that EVPN is a f= astest growing VPN service, I suggest that we may actually need 24 bits.

 

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Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:17 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

 

 

From= : "Henderickx,= Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Date: Monday, 27 July 2020 at 18:07
To: "scromp@ietf.org&quo= t; <scromp@ietf.org>
Subject: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Short Name: Service scale

 

Description: The compression mechanism must support > 1Milli= on services (>16bit)

 

Rationale: Some network operators deploy networks which requires > 50= 0K services.

 

Metric: The compression mechanism allows to work in an environment that = support this scalability.

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree. That is a better name. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia = - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:12 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-SR-PATH-CONTENTS-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Would we not call this LOOSE-STRICT-COMBO iso SR-PATH-CONTENTS. Just a sugg= estion. From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Ron Bonica > Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 14:01 To: "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-SR-PATH-CONTENTS-00 Short Name: SR Path Contents Description: The compression mechanism must support paths that contain any = combination of segment types. Rationale: RFC 8402 describes SR paths that contain any combination of segm= ent types. Metric: The compression mechanism must forward packets through SR paths tha= t contain any combination of segment types. 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I agree. That is a better name.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:12 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcom= p@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-SR-PATH-CONTENTS-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Would we not call this LOOSE-STRICT-COMBO iso SR-PAT= H-CONTENTS. Just a suggestion.

 

From= : Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on beh= alf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 14:01
To: "srcomp@ietf.org&quo= t; <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-SR-PATH-CONTENTS-00

 

Short Name: SR Path Contents

 

Description: The compression mechanism must support = paths that contain any combination of segment types.

 

Rationale: RFC 8402 describes SR paths that contain = any combination of segment types.

 

Metric: The compression mechanism must forward packe= ts through SR paths that contain any combination of segment types.

 

Juniper Business Use Only

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X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:23:50 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB63485997D5299358D77C1C66AE730DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BTW, do we have a call tomorrow? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:22 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) ; Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Archives?? [External Email. Be cautious of content] Same here. If I sign in it works From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" > Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 14:47 To: "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" >, Ron Bonica >, "srcomp@ietf.o= rg" > Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Archives?? Correction... That link works if signed in. However I was able to access the individual threads without logging in - li= ke this one https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/srcomp/-QD7sbOQ_H04jV75wS= jc0P9tvjU/ Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Darren Dukes (ddukes) > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 8:44 AM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Archives?? I just did via an 'incognito' browser window to verify anyone can access wi= thout logging in. The official link doesn't work but this one does: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/srcomp/ ________________________________ From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Ron Bonica > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 8:27 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org > Subject: [Srcomp] Archives?? Folks, Can anybody access this list's archives? I can't. Please try https://www.ietf.org/mailman/private/srcomp/. Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB63485997D5299358D77C1C66AE730DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

BTW, do we have a call tomorrow?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;         Ron

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:22 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; Ron Bonica <r= bonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Archives??

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Same here. If I sign in it works

 

From= : Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on beh= alf of "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 14:47
To: "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>,= Ron Bonica <r= bonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Archives??

 

Correct= ion... That link works if signed in.

&n= bsp;

However= I was able to access the individual threads without logging in - like this= one https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/srcomp/-QD7sbOQ_H04jV75wSjc0P9tvjU/

&n= bsp;

Darren<= o:p>

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Darren Dukes (ddukes) <<= a href=3D"mailto:ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org">ddukes=3D40cisco.com@= dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 8:44 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Archives??

 

I just = did via an 'incognito' browser window to verify anyone can access without l= ogging in. The official link doesn't work but this one does:

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmar= c..ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 8:27 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Archives??

 

Folks,

 

Can anybody access this list’s archives? I c= an’t.

 

Please try https://www.ietf.org/mailman/private/srcomp/.

 

        &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;         Ron

 

 

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X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:24:38 -0000 --_000_BN6PR11MB408101EED82EA12E4F805F07C8730BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe the call is next week - every other week. ________________________________ From: Ron Bonica Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:23 PM To: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) ; Darren= Dukes (ddukes) ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Srcomp] Archives?? BTW, do we have a call tomorrow? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:22 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) ; Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Archives?? [External Email. Be cautious of content] Same here. If I sign in it works From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" > Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 14:47 To: "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" >, Ron Bonica >, "srcomp@ietf.o= rg" > Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Archives?? Correction... That link works if signed in. However I was able to access the individual threads without logging in - li= ke this one https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/srcomp/-QD7sbOQ_H04jV75wS= jc0P9tvjU/ Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Darren Dukes (ddukes) > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 8:44 AM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Archives?? I just did via an 'incognito' browser window to verify anyone can access wi= thout logging in. The official link doesn't work but this one does: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/srcomp/ ________________________________ From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Ron Bonica > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 8:27 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org > Subject: [Srcomp] Archives?? Folks, Can anybody access this list=92s archives? I can=92t. Please try https://www.ietf.org/mailman/private/srcomp/. Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_BN6PR11MB408101EED82EA12E4F805F07C8730BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I believe the call is next week - every other week.
From: Ron Bonica <rbonic= a@juniper.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:23 PM
To: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <wim.henderickx@nokia.co= m>; Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org <= srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Srcomp] Archives??
 

BTW, do we have a call tomorrow?

 

        &n= bsp;            = ;          Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) = <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:22 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; Ron Bonica <r= bonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Archives??

 

<= b>[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Same here. If I sign in it works

 

F= rom: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of &= quot;Darren Dukes (ddukes)" <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 14:47
To: "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>,= Ron Bonica <r= bonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Archives??

 

Corr= ection... That link works if signed in.

&nbs= p;

Howe= ver I was able to access the individual threads without logging in - like t= his one https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/srcomp/-QD7sbOQ_H04jV75wSjc0P9tvjU/

&nbs= p;

Darr= en

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Darren Dukes (ddukes) <= ;ddukes=3D40cisco.co= m@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 8:44 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Archives??

 

I ju= st did via an 'incognito' browser window to verify anyone can access withou= t logging in. The official link doesn't work but this one does:

&nbs= p;

&nbs= p;

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dm= arc..ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 8:27 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Archives??

 

Folks,

 

Can anybody access this list=92s archives? I can= =92t.

 

Please try https://www.ietf.org/mailman/private/srcomp/.

 

        =             &nb= sp;            =           Ron

 

 

Juniper Business Use Onl= y

--_000_BN6PR11MB408101EED82EA12E4F805F07C8730BN6PR11MB4081namp_-- From nobody Tue Jul 28 12:27:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B593A0BA1 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:27:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=steffann.nl Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hMZ2GGzLoKky for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sintact.nl (mail.sintact.nl [83.247.10.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB4B23A0AB3 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.sintact.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907BF4C for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:27:11 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=steffann.nl; h= x-mailer:date:date:message-id:subject:subject:mime-version:from :from:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type :received:received; s=mail; t=1595964429; bh=Cq2HgltUeOe48gVjfry KRB2weq9HqBPFJOu3w06QIgE=; b=Tb3ehvexm//IEOJcp4wmRzSArSCn9cOLkAq CWbnBDwXQDF6XAk9rrPXl8ds0q++Hb/tw/KGAf8lElGTNg3N5ZHGHuTdyIwj/EsE E1toUZt8oQizAJZKiCLmQYJQCrgV4DIYPHEnMQUMKaY0+2101gvc96vdgD4fZSr1 s1UhY6IQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.sintact.nl Received: from mail.sintact.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.sintact.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id dXvBr-20PEWW for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:27:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2a02:a213:a300:ce80:ec87:64de:dcd7:b58] (unknown [IPv6:2a02:a213:a300:ce80:ec87:64de:dcd7:b58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.sintact.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9AE8C4B for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:27:09 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett From: Sander Steffann Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <0725B37F-EAE4-4FA3-93A9-B73BE1834686@steffann.nl> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:27:08 +0200 To: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17F80) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-ARCH-01 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:27:18 -0000 =EF=BB=BFHi Darren, > On 28-07-2020 05:37, Darren Dukes (ddukes) wrote: > ARCH, Architecture Compliance >=20 > Description: > A solution to compress SR for the IPv6 dataplane MUST be compatible with > the specifications describing the instantiation of SR for the IPv6 > dataplane including: > - RFC8402 > - RFC8754 > - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming > - draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy >=20 > Along with the other working group control plane and OAM specifications > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions > draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services > draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext > draft-ietf-spring-sr-service-programming > draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam I'm sorry Darren, you seem to have misunderstood the purpose of this design team. Taking SRv6 for granted is NOT part of the mandate=E2=80=A6 Cheers, Sander From nobody Tue Jul 28 12:27:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40263A0BF4 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:27:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=steffann.nl Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rLYhgceGsit9 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sintact.nl (mail.sintact.nl [IPv6:2001:9e0:803::6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73A7B3A0BCE for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.sintact.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0E14C for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:27:34 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=steffann.nl; h= x-mailer:date:date:message-id:subject:subject:mime-version:from :from:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type :received:received; s=mail; t=1595964452; bh=FZiIA7vc3K5BQWLLcID RvGs33anq3iYU8RYoIDoMKBs=; b=ILQAXUwRYduXVLCqNv9GFyIRxJCEdJfCoVD VSjmQXiq/xF/QAfLXIVj022hlki0JUU4NwlChyy+vL6nzlHZCZht4UDwCaWMpljQ ougxcnlBmfIiOpkqutQuwmH1PfBJrdz/Q3qHjKvV1xigX2jHpLuYSizob+UXWO2m nDQy8V3E= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.sintact.nl Received: from mail.sintact.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.sintact.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id XUx7dGP-6KjG for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:27:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2a02:a213:a300:ce80:ec87:64de:dcd7:b58] (unknown [IPv6:2a02:a213:a300:ce80:ec87:64de:dcd7:b58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.sintact.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9CE1E4B for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:27:32 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett From: Sander Steffann Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <674F71F0-2EEB-46E2-8232-FB5456FA980F@steffann.nl> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:27:32 +0200 To: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17F80) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:27:46 -0000 =EF=BB=BFHi Darren, > On 28-07-2020 06:00, Darren Dukes (ddukes) wrote: > COMPRESS, Encapsulation Compression >=20 > Description: > A solution to compress SR for the IPv6 data plane MUST support efficient > SRv6 encapsulating header compression. The same goes for this requirement. You cannot assume that the design is based on SRv6 headers. 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definitions=main-2007280151 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:29:11 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348F5E5E3464BFE97662C44AE730DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wim, When you say the solution complies with 7855, which of the following do you= mean: * That it does not uses the SRH in a way that violates 7855 * That it must use the SRH I assume that you mean the former and not the latter. Do I have that right? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia = - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:32 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: SPRING FRAMEWORK Description: Compliance to RFC 7855 Rationale: Having a solution that complies to RFC7855, would allow for a na= tural evolution in the SPRING WG, and interoperability for customers who de= ployed SR already Metric: Compliance to RFC7855 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348F5E5E3464BFE97662C44AE730DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wim,

 

When you say the solution complies with 7855, which = of the following do you mean:

 

  • That it does not uses the SRH in a way that violates 7855<= /li>
  • That it must use the SRH

 

I assume that you mean the former and not the latter= . Do I have that right?

 

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Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
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<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Short Name: SPRING FRAMEWORK

 

Description: Compliance to RFC 7855

 

Rationale: Having a solution that complies to RFC7855, would allow for a= natural evolution in the SPRING WG, and interoperability for customers who= deployed SR already

 

Metric: Compliance to RFC7855

 

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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 22:08:41 -0000 Hi Ron, On 29-07-2020 00:07, Ron Bonica wrote: > Darren, Sander, > > We may be able to find mutual ground on this requirement. > > In this requirement, I think that you (Darren) meant to say, > > - The compression factor needs to be measurable. > - The compression factor needs to be good enough. > > However, developing a metric by which compression can be measured isn't so easy as it looks. RFCs 8402, 7855 and the network programming draft may not help much. > > Let's exchange a few emails to develop a metric. 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boundary="_000_DM6PR05MB63483585F767F607F4AB0747AE730DM6PR05MB6348namp_" --_000_DM6PR05MB63483585F767F607F4AB0747AE730DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, We are making much more rapid progress than I expected. In fact, I am start= ing to worry that our progress might be lost in a large pile of email messa= ges. So, I compiled ten of the least controversial requirements posted so far in= to a skeletal internet draft (attached). Would the chairs be willing to maintain the draft as requirements are added= , deleted and refined? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB63483585F767F607F4AB0747AE730DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks,

 

We are making much more rapid progress than I expect= ed. In fact, I am starting to worry that our progress might be lost in a la= rge pile of email messages.

 

So, I compiled ten of the least controversial requir= ements posted so far into a skeletal internet draft (attached).

 

Would the chairs be willing to maintain the draft as= requirements are added, deleted and refined?

 

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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: O8U3uZH9o3ilZNlgApcCTSBhKsEgxx7b/zPVb2zIgg6YzXXdwV8a5UPsbEeRucs0dnjDk+Z7QhSlOQHuJHcHoA== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM6PR11MB3211 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.102.14, xch-rcd-004.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-7.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Progress X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 01:21:08 -0000 --_000_DM6PR11MB4090D318D30DC2EF28696DDCC8700DM6PR11MB4090namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ron, I think you are jumping the gun. How about we stick to the process we agreed to last week and let the team d= o its work on the list to build, discuss, refine requirements. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp on behalf of Ron Bonica Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:21 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] Progress Folks, We are making much more rapid progress than I expected. In fact, I am start= ing to worry that our progress might be lost in a large pile of email messa= ges. So, I compiled ten of the least controversial requirements posted so far in= to a skeletal internet draft (attached). Would the chairs be willing to maintain the draft as requirements are added= , deleted and refined? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR11MB4090D318D30DC2EF28696DDCC8700DM6PR11MB4090namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ron, I think you are jumping the gun.

How about we stick= to the process we agreed to last week and let the team do its work on the = list to build, discuss, refine requirements.

Darren
From: Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc= .ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:21 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Progress
 

Folks,

 

We are making much more rapid progress than I expe= cted. In fact, I am starting to worry that our progress might be lost in a = large pile of email messages.

 

So, I compiled ten of the least controversial requ= irements posted so far into a skeletal internet draft (attached).

 

Would the chairs be willing to maintain the draft = as requirements are added, deleted and refined?

 

        &n= bsp;            = ;             &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;         Ron

 


Juniper Busi= ness Use Only

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Sander Perhaps you would like to state your technical objection with this proposed= requirement. Do you believe it is NOT desirable for SPRING to reuse the SRv6 specificati= ons it standardized for the compressed SRv6 solution? I've re-added the rationale and metric to the thread to maintain context. Thanks Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp on behalf of Sander Steffann Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:27 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-ARCH-01 Hi Darren, > On 28-07-2020 05:37, Darren Dukes (ddukes) wrote: > ARCH, Architecture Compliance > > Description: > A solution to compress SR for the IPv6 dataplane MUST be compatible with > the specifications describing the instantiation of SR for the IPv6 > dataplane including: > - RFC8402 > - RFC8754 > - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming > - draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy > > Along with the other working group control plane and OAM specifications > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions > draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services > draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext > draft-ietf-spring-sr-service-programming > draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam I'm sorry Darren, you seem to have misunderstood the purpose of this design team. Taking SRv6 for granted is NOT part of the mandate=85 Rationale: Building upon multiple years of work by SPRING to define SRv6 (the instanti= ation of SR on the IPv6 data plane) builds on the collaboration, review, im= plementations, and deployments associated with this work. It is desirable for SPRING to reuse the SRv6 specifications for any compres= sed SRv6 solution. Metric: The compliance metric (C) records how aligned a proposal is with the SRv6 solution. o C.RFC8402: compliance with [RFC8402] o C.SRH: compliance with [RFC8754] o C.PGM: compliance with [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming] o C.IGP: compliance with [I-D.ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions] o C.BGP: compliance with [I-D.ietf-bess-srv6-services] o C.POL: compliance with [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy] o C.BLS: compliance with [I-D.ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext] o C.SVC: compliance with [I-D.ietf-spring-sr-service-programming] o C.OAM: compliance with [I-D.ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam] Each of the above metrics are assigned a compliance value: o 10: complies with the specification o 5: extends the specification o 0: redefines the specification C.TOT is the sum of all C.* metrics listed above. It provides an overall assessment of the proposal's alignment with the SRv6 RFCs and working group drafts. Cheers, Sander -- Srcomp mailing list Srcomp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/srcomp --_000_DM6PR11MB4090A636B0EFFE98132EBC93C8700DM6PR11MB4090namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Sander

Perhaps you would = like to state your technical objection with this proposed requirement.
Do you believe it is NOT desirable for SPRING to reuse the SRv6 specificati= ons it standardized for the compressed SRv6 solution?

I've re-added the rationale and metric to the thread to maintain context.

Thanks
  Darren



From: Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:27 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-ARCH-01
 
Hi Darren,

> On 28-07-2020 05:37, Darren Dukes (ddukes) wrote:
> ARCH, Architecture Compliance
>
> Description:
> A solution to compress SR for the IPv6 dataplane MUST be compatible wi= th
> the specifications describing the instantiation of SR for the IPv6
> dataplane including:
> - RFC8402
> - RFC8754
> - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming
> - draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy
>
> Along with the other working group control plane and OAM specification= s
> draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions
> draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services
> draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext
> draft-ietf-spring-sr-service-programming
> draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam

I'm sorry Darren, you seem to have misunderstood the purpose of this
design team. Taking SRv6 for granted is NOT part of the mandate=85

Rationale:
Building upon multiple years of work by SPRING t= o define SRv6 (the instantiation of SR on the IPv6 data plane) builds on th= e collaboration, review, implementations, and deployments associated with t= his work.
It is desirable for SPRING to reuse the SRv6 spe= cifications for any compressed SRv6 solution.

Metric:
 The compliance metric (C) records how alig= ned a proposal is with the
   SRv6 solution.

   o  C.RFC8402: compliance with = [RFC8402]
   o  C.SRH: compliance with [RFC= 8754]
   o  C.PGM: compliance with [I-D= .ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming]
   o  C.IGP: compliance with [I-D= .ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions]
   o  C.BGP: compliance with [I-D= .ietf-bess-srv6-services]
   o  C.POL: compliance with [I-D= .ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy]
   o  C.BLS: compliance with [I-D= .ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext]
   o  C.SVC: compliance with [I-D= .ietf-spring-sr-service-programming]
   o  C.OAM: compliance with [I-D= .ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam]

   Each of the above metrics are assig= ned a compliance value:
   o  10: complies with the speci= fication
   o  5: extends the specificatio= n
   o  0: redefines the specificat= ion

   C.TOT is the sum of all C.* metrics= listed above.  It provides an
   overall assessment of the proposal'= s alignment with the SRv6 RFCs and
   working group drafts.





Cheers,
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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sander, unfortunately, you have misunderstood this requirement. I'll tr= y to clarify. - We are trying to define requirements and analyze proposals to compress SR= for the IPv6 data plane. - You surely agree with this. - Page 6 of RFC8402 defines "SRv6: the instantiation of SR on the IPv6 data= plane." The requirement simply says that a proposal MUST compress the thing that we= agreed to compress. I hope this helps you understand the requirement, perhaps you can provide a= dditional comments or suggestions. Thanks Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp on behalf of Sander Steffann Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:27 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 Hi Darren, > On 28-07-2020 06:00, Darren Dukes (ddukes) wrote: > COMPRESS, Encapsulation Compression > > Description: > A solution to compress SR for the IPv6 data plane MUST support efficient > SRv6 encapsulating header compression. The same goes for this requirement. You cannot assume that the design is based on SRv6 headers. That is kind of the whole point of this design team= =85 Cheers, Sander -- Srcomp mailing list Srcomp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/srcomp --_000_DM6PR11MB4090B3D9730492C39D02EB20C8700DM6PR11MB4090namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Sander, unfortunately, you have misunderstood this requirement.  I'= ll try to clarify.
- We are trying to define requirements and analyze proposals to compress SR for= the IPv6 data plane.  
  - You surel= y agree with this.
- Page 6 of RFC840= 2 defines "SRv6: the instantiation of SR on the IPv6 data plane."=

The requirement simply says that a proposal MUST compress the thing that we= agreed to compress.

I hope this helps you understand the requirement, perhaps you can provide a= dditional comments or suggestions.

Thanks
  Darren

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 3:27 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01
 
Hi Darren,

> On 28-07-2020 06:00, Darren Dukes (ddukes) wrote:
> COMPRESS, Encapsulation Compression
>
> Description:
> A solution to compress SR for the IPv6 data plane MUST support efficie= nt
> SRv6 encapsulating header compression.

The same goes for this requirement. You cannot assume that the design is based on SRv6 headers. That is kind of the whole point of this design team= =85

Cheers,
Sander

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--_000_DM6PR11MB4090B3D9730492C39D02EB20C8700DM6PR11MB4090namp_-- From nobody Tue Jul 28 19:00:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C503A0E82 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:00:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TDTm9KbUrnmN for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E13543A0E7B for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml725-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id D302C9AF076BDA25C46E for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 03:00:36 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml725-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.76) by lhreml725-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.76) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 03:00:36 +0100 Received: from DGGEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.38) by lhreml725-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.76) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 03:00:36 +0100 Received: from DGGEML509-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.171]) by DGGEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::fca6:7568:4ee3:c776%31]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:00:33 +0800 From: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" To: Ron Bonica , "srcomp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Progress Thread-Index: AdZlLLty7vb9PAqST56bxYC/sYV1AwAHqTWw Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 02:00:33 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.243.130] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B35350dggeml509mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Progress X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 02:00:42 -0000 --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B35350dggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to Ron for the skeletal draft. I am wondering that do we need a simp= le sheet to maintain the Requirements list. In that way, any discussion can be recorded very clear in the sheet. Once w= e have done any one discussion, we can move the content to the draft, so we= do not need to modify the xml file directly. We may have some online tools to do that. Any idea? Thanks, Cheng From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 6:22 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] Progress Folks, We are making much more rapid progress than I expected. In fact, I am start= ing to worry that our progress might be lost in a large pile of email messa= ges. So, I compiled ten of the least controversial requirements posted so far in= to a skeletal internet draft (attached). Would the chairs be willing to maintain the draft as requirements are added= , deleted and refined? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B35350dggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks to Ron for the = skeletal draft. I am wondering that do we need a simple sheet to maintain t= he Requirements list.

 

In that way, any discu= ssion can be recorded very clear in the sheet. Once we have done any one di= scussion, we can move the content to the draft, so we do not need to modify= the xml file directly.

 

We may have some onlin= e tools to do that. Any idea?

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org]= On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 6:22 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] Progress

 

Folks,

 

We are making much more rapid progress than I expect= ed. In fact, I am starting to worry that our progress might be lost in a la= rge pile of email messages.

 

So, I compiled ten of the least controversial requir= ements posted so far into a skeletal internet draft (attached).

 

Would the chairs be willing to maintain the draft as= requirements are added, deleted and refined?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;            &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =          Ron

 

 

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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Cheng, a low tech suggestion is for us to use the srcomp thread view in = our local email clients or at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/srco= mp to identify the requirements and the conversation with each, as requirem= ents are updated we start a new thread and update the version number. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp on behalf of Chengli (Cheng Li) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:00 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Progress Thanks to Ron for the skeletal draft. I am wondering that do we need a simp= le sheet to maintain the Requirements list. In that way, any discussion can be recorded very clear in the sheet. Once w= e have done any one discussion, we can move the content to the draft, so we= do not need to modify the xml file directly. We may have some online tools to do that. Any idea? Thanks, Cheng From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 6:22 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] Progress Folks, We are making much more rapid progress than I expected. In fact, I am start= ing to worry that our progress might be lost in a large pile of email messa= ges. So, I compiled ten of the least controversial requirements posted so far in= to a skeletal internet draft (attached). Would the chairs be willing to maintain the draft as requirements are added= , deleted and refined? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_BN6PR11MB40819232CD6092287BECD8FBC8700BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Cheng, a low te= ch suggestion is for us to use the srcomp thread view in our local email cl= ients or at https://ma= ilarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/srcomp to identify the requirements and the conversation with each, as requirements = are updated we start a new thread and update the version number.

Darren

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:00 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcom= p@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Progress
 

Thanks to Ron for the skeletal draft. I am wo= ndering that do we need a simple sheet to maintain the Requirements list.

 

In that way, any discussion can be recorded v= ery clear in the sheet. Once we have done any one discussion, we can move t= he content to the draft, so we do not need to modify the xml file directly.=

 

We may have some online tools to do that. Any= idea?

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ro= n Bonica
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 6:22 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] Progress

 

Folks,

 

We are making much more rapid progress than I expected. In fact, I am start= ing to worry that our progress might be lost in a large pile of email messa= ges.

 

So, I compiled ten of the least controversial requirements posted so far in= to a skeletal internet draft (attached).

 

Would the chairs be willing to maintain the draft as requirements are added= , deleted and refined?

 

            &nb= sp;            =              &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;     Ron

 

 

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--_000_BN6PR11MB40819232CD6092287BECD8FBC8700BN6PR11MB4081namp_-- From nobody Tue Jul 28 19:38:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2343A0E9D for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:38:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aypZwAytMJCW for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C46DF3A0EC3 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml706-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id D30474E1DA177A61D968 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 03:38:18 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.55) by lhreml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.55) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 03:38:18 +0100 Received: from DGGEML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.50) by lhreml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.55) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 03:38:18 +0100 Received: from DGGEML509-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.171]) by dggeml406-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.50]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:38:15 +0800 From: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" To: "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" , Ron Bonica , "srcomp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Progress Thread-Index: AdZlLLty7vb9PAqST56bxYC/sYV1AwAHqTWwAAA/r+EAAQ5qsA== Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 02:38:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.243.130] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B353C5dggeml509mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Progress X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 02:38:25 -0000 --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B353C5dggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Darren, Sure, we should use the mail list to discuss the requirements. Once we have= the consensus of a requirement, then Chairs can mark it down. BTW, I get 403, Access Denied when I try to read https://mailarchive.ietf.o= rg/arch/browse/srcomp :( Cheng From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) [mailto:ddukes@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:24 AM To: Chengli (Cheng Li) ; Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: Progress Hi Cheng, a low tech suggestion is for us to use the srcomp thread view in = our local email clients or at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/srco= mp to identify the requirements and the conversation with each, as requirem= ents are updated we start a new thread and update the version number. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Chengli (Cheng Li) > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:00 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Progress Thanks to Ron for the skeletal draft. I am wondering that do we need a simp= le sheet to maintain the Requirements list. In that way, any discussion can be recorded very clear in the sheet. Once w= e have done any one discussion, we can move the content to the draft, so we= do not need to modify the xml file directly. We may have some online tools to do that. Any idea? Thanks, Cheng From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 6:22 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] Progress Folks, We are making much more rapid progress than I expected. In fact, I am start= ing to worry that our progress might be lost in a large pile of email messa= ges. So, I compiled ten of the least controversial requirements posted so far in= to a skeletal internet draft (attached). Would the chairs be willing to maintain the draft as requirements are added= , deleted and refined? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B353C5dggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Darren,

 

Sure, we should use the mail list to = discuss the requirements. Once we have the consensus of a requirement, then= Chairs can mark it down.

 

BTW, I get 403, Access Denied when I = try to read https://mai= larchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/srcomp L

 

Cheng

 

 

From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) [mailto:= ddukes@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:24 AM
To: Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com>; Ron Bonica <rbonic= a=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Progress

 

Hi Cheng, a low tech suggestion is for = us to use the srcomp thread view in our local email clients or at <= a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/srcomp" target=3D"_blank= " title=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/srcomp">https://mailarc= hive.ietf.org/arch/browse/srcomp = to identify the requirements and the conversation with each, as requirements = are updated we start a new thread and update the version number.



Darren

 

From: Srcomp= <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org= > on behalf of Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@= huawei.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:00 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Progress

 

Thanks to Ron for the skeletal draft= . I am wondering that do we need a simple sheet to maintain the Requirement= s list.

 

In that way, any discussion can be r= ecorded very clear in the sheet. Once we have done any one discussion, we c= an move the content to the draft, so we do not need to modify the xml file directly.

 

We may have some online tools to do = that. Any idea?

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 6:22 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] Progress

 

Folks,

 

We are making much more rapid progress than I expe= cted. In fact, I am starting to worry that our progress might be lost in a = large pile of email messages.

 

So, I compiled ten of the least controversial requ= irements posted so far into a skeletal internet draft (attached).

 

Would the chairs be willing to maintain the draft = as requirements are added, deleted and refined?

 

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For the archive browser, go to https://mailarchive.ietf.org and log in with= your datatracker email and password. Then try the link again. I believe that worked for Ron. Darren ________________________________ From: Chengli (Cheng Li) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:38 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) ; Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: RE: Progress Hi Darren, Sure, we should use the mail list to discuss the requirements. Once we have= the consensus of a requirement, then Chairs can mark it down. BTW, I get 403, Access Denied when I try to read https://mailarchive.ietf.o= rg/arch/browse/srcomp :( Cheng From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) [mailto:ddukes@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:24 AM To: Chengli (Cheng Li) ; Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: Progress Hi Cheng, a low tech suggestion is for us to use the srcomp thread view in = our local email clients or at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/srco= mp to identify the requirements and the conversation with each, as requirem= ents are updated we start a new thread and update the version number. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Chengli (Cheng Li) > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:00 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Progress Thanks to Ron for the skeletal draft. I am wondering that do we need a simp= le sheet to maintain the Requirements list. In that way, any discussion can be recorded very clear in the sheet. Once w= e have done any one discussion, we can move the content to the draft, so we= do not need to modify the xml file directly. We may have some online tools to do that. Any idea? Thanks, Cheng From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 6:22 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] Progress Folks, We are making much more rapid progress than I expected. In fact, I am start= ing to worry that our progress might be lost in a large pile of email messa= ges. So, I compiled ten of the least controversial requirements posted so far in= to a skeletal internet draft (attached). Would the chairs be willing to maintain the draft as requirements are added= , deleted and refined? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_BN6PR11MB408135488625916C2D16F825C8700BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK.

For the archive browser, go to https://mailarchive.ietf.org and log in with your datatracker emai= l and password.

Then try the link again.  I believe that worked for Ron.

Darren
From: Chengli (Cheng Li) &l= t;c.l@huawei.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:38 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; Ron Bonica <r= bonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.= org>
Subject: RE: Progress
 

Hi Darren,

 

Sure, we should use the mail list= to discuss the requirements. Once we have the consensus of a requirement, = then Chairs can mark it down.

 

BTW, I get 403, Access Denied whe= n I try to read https://ma= ilarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/srcomp L

 

Cheng

 

 

From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) [mai= lto:ddukes@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:24 AM
To: Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com>; Ron Bonica <rbonic= a=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Progress

 

Hi Cheng, a low tech suggestion is = for us to use the srcomp thread view in our local email clients or at = https://ma= ilarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/srcomp&= nbsp;to identify the requirements and the conversation with each, as requirements = are updated we start a new thread and update the version number.



Darren

 

From: = Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.o= rg> on behalf of Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@= huawei.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:00 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Progress

 

Thanks to Ron for the skeletal d= raft. I am wondering that do we need a simple sheet to maintain the Require= ments list.

 

In that way, any discussion can = be recorded very clear in the sheet. Once we have done any one discussion, = we can move the content to the draft, so we do not need to modify the xml file directly.

 

We may have some online tools to= do that. Any idea?

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 6:22 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] Progress

 

Folks,

 

We are making much more rapid progress than I e= xpected. In fact, I am starting to worry that our progress might be lost in= a large pile of email messages.

 

So, I compiled ten of the least controversial r= equirements posted so far into a skeletal internet draft (attached).

 

Would the chairs be willing to maintain the dra= ft as requirements are added, deleted and refined?

 

        = ;            &n= bsp;            &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;         Ron

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 04:07:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail-24FAF216-6D0E-4AD3-B518-E8B55180225C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Darren, > Perhaps you would like to state your technical objection with this propose= d requirement. This is not a technical objection, but a point of order. One of the reasons this team exists is to determine whether there is a need f= or alternatives. I'm fine with looking at compatibility with SRv6/SRH in the analysis, but no= t as a metric. That would cause a bias against alternatives being proposed, w= hich goes against the goal of this design team. Cheers, Sander --Apple-Mail-24FAF216-6D0E-4AD3-B518-E8B55180225C Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Darren,

Perhaps you would like to state your technical objection with this proposed requirement.

This is not a technical objection, but a point of order.

One of the reasons this team exists is to determine whether there is a need for alternatives.

I'm fine with looking at compatibility with SRv6/SRH in the analysis, but not as a metric. That would cause a bias against alternatives being proposed, which goes against the goal of this design team.

Cheers,
Sander


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Hi Darren,

Hi Sander, unfortunately, you have misunderstood this requirement.  I'll try to clarify.
- We are trying to define requirements and analyze proposals to compress SR for the IPv6 data plane.  

That I totally agree with.

  - You surely agree with this.
- Page 6 of RFC8402 defines "SRv6: the instantiation of SR on the IPv6 data plane."

The requirement simply says that a proposal MUST compress the thing that we agreed to compress.

But here you assume agreement on that SRv6 is the only instantiation of SR on the IPv6 data plane.

I'm totally fine with a requirement and metric that says that a proposal MUST result in smaller packets than RFC8402 for the same functionality. So I think your metric is fine, but the assumption that a proposal is based on SRv6/SRH is not.

I see Ron has already volunteered to work with you on rewording the requirement, so I'm sure something can be worked out.

Cheers!
Sander

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sander. This team exists to produce requirements and analyze proposals a= gainst the requirements. we are specifically directed to not make determinations nor decisions, just= provide the data for spring to do it=92s work. To that end I believe it is crucial that we tell spring the degree to which= proposals build on the work spring has done. This is not bias, just good thorough analysis. Darren ________________________________ From: Sander Steffann Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:07 AM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) Cc: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-ARCH-01 Hi Darren, Perhaps you would like to state your technical objection with this proposed= requirement. This is not a technical objection, but a point of order. One of the reasons this team exists is to determine whether there is a need= for alternatives. I'm fine with looking at compatibility with SRv6/SRH in the analysis, but n= ot as a metric. That would cause a bias against alternatives being proposed= , which goes against the goal of this design team. Cheers, Sander --_000_BN6PR11MB408140956FB8135326D7EB52C8700BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Sander. This team exists to produce requirements and an= alyze proposals against the requirements. 

we are specifically directed to not make determinations no= r decisions, just provide the data for spring to do it=92s work. 

To that end I believe it is crucial that we tell spring th= e degree to which proposals build on the work spring has done.

This is not bias, just good thorough analysis.

Darren

From: Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:07 AM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes)
Cc: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-ARCH-01
 
Hi Darren,

Perhaps you would like to state your technical object= ion with this proposed requirement.

This is not a technical objection, but a point of order.

One of the reasons this t= eam exists is to determine whether there is a need for alternatives.=

I'm fine with looking at compatibility with SRv6/SRH in th= e analysis, but not as a metric. That would cause a bias against alternativ= es being proposed, which goes against the goal of this design team.

Cheers,
Sander


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Darren, I won't be offended if the xml skeleton isn't used. It only took a few minu= tes to create. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:20 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: Progress [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Ron, I think you are jumping the gun. How about we stick to the process we agreed to last week and let the team d= o its work on the list to build, discuss, refine requirements. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Ron Bonica > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:21 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org > Subject: [Srcomp] Progress Folks, We are making much more rapid progress than I expected. In fact, I am start= ing to worry that our progress might be lost in a large pile of email messa= ges. So, I compiled ten of the least controversial requirements posted so far in= to a skeletal internet draft (attached). Would the chairs be willing to maintain the draft as requirements are added= , deleted and refined? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB63485602C7492B8383605358AE700DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Darren,

 

I won’t be offended if the xml skeleton isn= 217;t used. It only took a few minutes to create.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        Ron

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40ci= sco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:20 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Progress

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Hi Ron,= I think you are jumping the gun.

&n= bsp;

How abo= ut we stick to the process we agreed to last week and let the team do its w= ork on the list to build, discuss, refine requirements.

 

Darren<= o:p>

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmar= c..ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:21 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Progress

 

Folks,

 

We are making much more rapid progress than I expec= ted. In fact, I am starting to worry that our progress might be lost in a l= arge pile of email messages.

 

So, I compiled ten of the least controversial requi= rements posted so far into a skeletal internet draft (attached).

 

Would the chairs be willing to maintain the draft a= s requirements are added, deleted and refined?

 

        &nb= sp;            =              &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;         Ron

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Darren, I think that the goal is laudable. However, I think that there is a more so= lution-neutral way to measure compression efficiency. Consider that: * An SR path is a series of segments. * Each segment is an instruction. * The information of an instruction can be measured in bits. For exampl= e: * The information value of a service instruction is greater than 20 = bits (REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00) * The information value of a node instruction is equal to the number= of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) * The information value of an adjacency instruction is equal to the = number of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) plus 16 bits (REQ-7-27-LI= NK-SCALE-00) So, the information value of an SR path (P) is equal to the sum of the info= rmation values of its segments. A compression mechanism produces a particular compression header for a part= icular SR path. So, we can create a table with the following columns: * Compression mechanism * SR path (described as a sequence segment types) * Compression header length * Encoding efficiency In this table, Encoding efficiency is equal to compression header length di= vided by P. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:01 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] COMPRESS, Encapsulation Compression Description: A solution to compress SR for the IPv6 data plane MUST support efficient SR= v6 encapsulating header compression. Rationale: The compression of SRv6 is the primary goal of the SR compression design te= am. Metric: Compression is the ratio of the IPv6 encapsulation size of SRv6 as defined = in RFC8402, RFC8754, draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming vs the IPv6= encapsulation size of a given proposal. The encapsulation savings of a compression proposal vs the SRv6 base is a u= seful measurement to compare proposals. The encapsulation metric (E) records the number of bytes required for a pro= posal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list. I.e. E(proposal, segment list) The encapsulation savings (ES) records the encapsulation savings for a pro= posal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list. I.e. ES(proposal, segment list) =3D 1 - E(proposal, segment list)/E(SRv6 = base, segment list) --_000_DM6PR05MB634826F9C9607E344ED5179FAE700DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Darren,

 

I think that the goal is laudable. However, I think = that there is a more solution-neutral way to measure compression efficiency= . Consider that:

 

  • An SR path is a series of segments.
  • Each segment= is an instruction.
  • The information of an instruction = can be measured in bits. For example:
    • The information value of a service instruction is greater than 20 bit= s (REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00)
    • The information value of a n= ode instruction is equal to the number of bits in a locator (between 48 and= 128?)
    • The information value of an adjacency instructi= on is equal to the number of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) plus 1= 6 bits (REQ-7-27-LINK-SCALE-00)

 

So, the information value of an SR path (P) is equal= to the sum of the information values of its segments.

 

A compression mechanism produces a particular compre= ssion header for a particular SR path. So, we can create a table with the f= ollowing columns:

 

  • Compression mechanism
  • SR path (described as a se= quence segment types)
  • Compression header length=
  • Encoding efficiency

 

In this table, Encoding efficiency is equal to compr= ession header length divided by P.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;             =             &nb= sp;            =         Ron

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes)
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:01 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

COMPRES= S, Encapsulation Compression

&n= bsp;

Descrip= tion:

A solut= ion to compress SR for the IPv6 data plane MUST support efficient SRv6 enca= psulating header compression.

&n= bsp;

Rationa= le:

The com= pression of SRv6 is the primary goal of the SR compression design team.

&n= bsp;

Metric:=

Compres= sion is the ratio of the IPv6 encapsulation size of SRv6 as defined in RFC8= 402, RFC8754, draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming vs the IPv6 encaps= ulation size of a given proposal.

The enc= apsulation savings of a compression proposal vs the SRv6 base is a useful m= easurement to compare proposals.

The enc= apsulation metric (E) records the number of bytes required for a proposal t= o encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list.

  = I.e. E(proposal, segment list)

The enc= apsulation savings  (ES) records the encapsulation savings for a propo= sal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list.

  = I.e. ES(proposal, segment list) =3D 1 - E(proposal, segment list)/E(SRv6 ba= se, segment list)

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cheng Li, I strongly support this requirement. In fact, I would like to add two metri= cs. Assume that two companies run SRv6 networks. One company draws it locators = from the prefix 2001:db8::/48, while the other draws its locators from the = prefix 2001:db8:FFFF:FF00::/56. At some point, the companies want to merge = their networks into a single SRv6 domain. Metric 1: The merger must not require renumbering of either network. The co= mpression mechanism must continue to work, even though locators have differ= ent lengths. Metric 2: The merger must not require renumbering of either network. Compre= ssion efficiency must not be effected by the merger. Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Chengli (Cheng Li) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:47 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-FLEX-ADDRESS-PLANNING-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: Flexible IPv6 address Planning Description: The compression mechanism MUST support flexible IPv6 address p= lanning, and MUST NOT require for specific address type and address value. = Also, It MUST support to be deployed by using GLA, ULA and other unicast ad= dress types. Rationale: The address planning of the network is vary based on the address= schema of the operator, so the solution MUST support flexible address plan= ning. Operators need to deploy the solution based on their own addresses pl= anning. Metric: if the solution only works when using a specific address type, or s= ome specific address value, that is not compliant. If it require one or som= e specific prefixes, that is not compliant. Cheng --_000_DM6PR05MB634817A2F5E34B52E38C7712AE700DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Cheng Li,

 

I strongly support this requirement. In fact, I woul= d like to add two metrics.

 

Assume that two companies run SRv6 networks. One com= pany draws it locators from the prefix 2001:db8::/48, while the other draws= its locators from the prefix 2001:db8:FFFF:FF00::/56. At some point, the c= ompanies want to merge their networks into a single SRv6 domain.

 

Metric 1: The merger must not require renumbering of= either network. The compression mechanism must continue to work, even thou= gh locators have different lengths.

 

Metric 2: The merger must not require renumbering of= either network. Compression efficiency must not be effected by the merger.=

 

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Chengli (Cheng Li)
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:47 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-FLEX-ADDRESS-PLANNING-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">[External Email. Be cautious of content= ]

&nbs= p;

Short Nam= e: Flexible IPv6 address Planning

&nbs= p;

Descripti= on: The compression mechanism MUST support flexible IPv6 address planning, = and MUST NOT require for specific address type and address value. Also, It = MUST support to be deployed by using GLA, ULA and other unicast address types.

&nbs= p;

Rationale= : The address planning of the network is vary based on the address schema o= f the operator, so the solution MUST support flexible address planning. Ope= rators need to deploy the solution based on their own addresses planning.

&nbs= p;

Metric: i= f the solution only works when using a specific address type, or some speci= fic address value, that is not compliant. If it require one or some specifi= c prefixes, that is not compliant.

&nbs= p;

Cheng

&nbs= p;

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wim, Yes, I think that I understand what you are saying. The solution is not req= uired to use the SRH. But if it does use the SRH, it must be backwards comp= atible with RFC 7855. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:54 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] What I mean is that if we find a solution that in compatible with RFC 7855 = it allows for backward compatibility. I don't want to dictate how to do tha= t. I believe there is benefits in a solution or solutions that allow for th= at. Does that make sense? From: Ron Bonica > Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 23:29 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 Wim, When you say the solution complies with 7855, which of the following do you= mean: * That it does not uses the SRH in a way that violates 7855 * That it must use the SRH I assume that you mean the former and not the latter. Do I have that right? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:32 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: SPRING FRAMEWORK Description: Compliance to RFC 7855 Rationale: Having a solution that complies to RFC7855, would allow for a na= tural evolution in the SPRING WG, and interoperability for customers who de= ployed SR already Metric: Compliance to RFC7855 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348645A990B2CC26EDF2F51AE700DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wim,

 

Yes, I think that I understand what you are saying. = The solution is not required to use the SRH. But if it does use the SRH, it= must be backwards compatible with RFC 7855.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;             =             &nb= sp;            =            Ron<= /o:p>

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:54 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

What I mean is that if we find a solution that in co= mpatible with RFC 7855 it allows for backward compatibility. I don’t = want to dictate how to do that. I believe there is benefits in a solution o= r solutions that allow for that.

Does that make sense?

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 23:29
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

Wim,

 

When you say the solution complies with 7855, which = of the following do you mean:

 

  • That it does not uses the SRH in a way that violates 7855<= /li>
  • That it must use the SRH

 

I assume that you mean the former and not the latter= . Do I have that right?

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:32 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Short Name: SPRING = FRAMEWORK

 = 

Description: Compliance to RFC 7855

 =

Rationale: Having a solu= tion that complies to RFC7855, would allow for a natural evolution in the S= PRING WG, and interoperability for customers who deployed SR already

 =

Metric: Compliance to RF= C7855

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Cheng, I'm trying to understand what lossless means here and I think I g= et it but want to make sure. Given the Rationale, I think "lossless" means a proposed solution always vi= sits the segments in the computed path/segment list and does not drop any s= egments from the path a packet would take. I.e. it doesn't try to remove segments resulting in a different path than a= non-compressed SRv6 solution. Correct? Thanks Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp on behalf of Chengli (Cheng Li) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:12 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-LOSSLESS-COMPRESSION-00 Short Name: The compression should be lossless, meaning the compressed SID = List should have the same info. Description: The information of the compressed SID list MUST be consistent = with the original SID List. The information MUST NOT be lost in compression= . For example, a strict path TE SID List CAN NOT be compressed to a loose p= ath TE SID list, and the compressed SID List MUST carry the same informatio= n. Rationale: The compression is aiming to reduce the overhead of the packet, = and it should not change the forwarding path. Metric: if the solution is lossless, then it is compliant, otherwise, not. Chen --_000_BN6PR11MB40817020746DB898D45894DAC8700BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Cheng, I'm trying to understand what lossless means here and I think I g= et it but want to make sure.

Given the Rationale, I think "lossless" means a proposed solution= always visits the segments in the computed path/segment list and does not = drop any segments from the path a packet would take.
I.e. it doesn't try to remove segments resulting in a different path than a= non-compressed SRv6 solution.

Correct?

Thanks
  Darren
From: Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:12 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-LOSSLESS-COMPRESSION-00
 

Short Name: The compression s= hould be lossless, meaning the compressed SID List should have the same inf= o.

 

Description: The information = of the compressed SID list MUST be consistent with the original SID List. T= he information MUST NOT be lost in compression. For example, a strict path = TE SID List CAN NOT be compressed to a loose path TE SID list, and the compressed SID List MUST carry the same = information.

 

Rationale: The compression is= aiming to reduce the overhead of the packet, and it should not change the = forwarding path.

 

Metric: if the solution is lo= ssless, then it is compliant, otherwise, not.

 

Chen

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As I said: I'm fine with looking at compatibility with SRv6/SRH in the analy= sis. But this design team needs to look forward to what requirements the wid= er operator community has, not at the sunk cost of the work in spring. I agree that we should analyse that, but not as a requirement. Cheers, Sander From nobody Wed Jul 29 19:24:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1193A0BAE for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 19:24:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Q_ufXUr4o11 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 19:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A411D3A0BAA for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 19:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml728-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 29F728B4A4761F9E9006 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 03:24:39 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml728-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.79) by lhreml728-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 03:24:39 +0100 Received: from DGGEML421-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.38) by lhreml728-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 03:24:38 +0100 Received: from DGGEML509-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.171]) by dggeml421-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.38]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 10:24:33 +0800 From: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" To: "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" , "srcomp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-LOSSLESS-COMPRESSION-00 Thread-Index: AdZk6E5gVARJGfSxS2ujKDi/BUNm6QA+5fUXAA0m3FA= Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 02:24:33 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.243.130] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B36C90dggeml509mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-LOSSLESS-COMPRESSION-00 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 02:24:44 -0000 --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B36C90dggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Darren, Correct! Cheng From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) [mailto:ddukes@cisco.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 4:15 AM To: Chengli (Cheng Li) ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-LOSSLESS-COMPRESSION-00 Hi Cheng, I'm trying to understand what lossless means here and I think I g= et it but want to make sure. Given the Rationale, I think "lossless" means a proposed solution always vi= sits the segments in the computed path/segment list and does not drop any s= egments from the path a packet would take. I.e. it doesn't try to remove segments resulting in a different path than a= non-compressed SRv6 solution. Correct? Thanks Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Chengli (Cheng Li) > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:12 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org > Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-LOSSLESS-COMPRESSION-00 Short Name: The compression should be lossless, meaning the compressed SID = List should have the same info. Description: The information of the compressed SID list MUST be consistent = with the original SID List. The information MUST NOT be lost in compression= . For example, a strict path TE SID List CAN NOT be compressed to a loose p= ath TE SID list, and the compressed SID List MUST carry the same informatio= n. Rationale: The compression is aiming to reduce the overhead of the packet, = and it should not change the forwarding path. Metric: if the solution is lossless, then it is compliant, otherwise, not. Chen --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B36C90dggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Darren, Correct!=

 

Cheng

 

 

From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) [mailto:= ddukes@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 4:15 AM
To: Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-LOSSLESS-COMPRESSION-00

 

Hi Cheng, I'm trying to understand what lossless means h= ere and I think I get it but want to make sure.

 

Given the Rationale, I think "lossless" means = a proposed solution always visits the segments in the computed path/segment= list and does not drop any segments from the path a packet would take.

I.e. it doesn't try to remove segments resulting in a di= fferent path than a non-compressed SRv6 solution.

 

Correct?

 

Thanks

  Darren

From: Srcomp= <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org= > on behalf of Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@= huawei.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:12 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-LOSSLESS-COMPRESSION-00

 

Short Name: The compression should be lossless, mea= ning the compressed SID List should have the same info.

 

Description: The information of the compressed SID = list MUST be consistent with the original SID List. The information MUST NO= T be lost in compression. For example, a strict path TE SID List CAN NOT be= compressed to a loose path TE SID list, and the compressed SID List MUST carry the same information.

 

Rationale: The compression is aiming to reduce the = overhead of the packet, and it should not change the forwarding path.

 

Metric: if the solution is lossless, then it is com= pliant, otherwise, not.

 

Chen

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--_000_BN6PR11MB40819B8312FD78047BDBF3A9C8700BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ron and Sander, I think we are saying the same thing but slightly differ= ently. I'm going to assume all proposals encapsulate in an outer IPv6 header and "= other stuff" to carry segments. I believe this requirement has been propos= ed. Without constraining how a proposal defines its encapsulating IPv6 header, = the description can be written as: When encapsulating a packet traversing an SR domain, the size of a proposal= 's encapsulating IPv6 header MUST be reduced vs the currently defined SRv6 = encapsulating IPv6 header. The size of the encapsulating header is measure= d in bytes from the start of the encapsulating IPv6 header to the start of = the encapsulated packet header. What do you think of this? I believe it's more explicit and there is no as= sumption that a proposal must be compliant or compatible with SRv6. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp on behalf of Ron Bonica Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:35 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) ; srcomp@iet= f.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 Darren, I think that the goal is laudable. However, I think that there is a more so= lution-neutral way to measure compression efficiency.. Consider that: * An SR path is a series of segments. * Each segment is an instruction. * The information of an instruction can be measured in bits. For exampl= e: * The information value of a service instruction is greater than 20 = bits (REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00) * The information value of a node instruction is equal to the number= of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) * The information value of an adjacency instruction is equal to the = number of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) plus 16 bits (REQ-7-27-LI= NK-SCALE-00) So, the information value of an SR path (P) is equal to the sum of the info= rmation values of its segments. A compression mechanism produces a particular compression header for a part= icular SR path. So, we can create a table with the following columns: * Compression mechanism * SR path (described as a sequence segment types) * Compression header length * Encoding efficiency In this table, Encoding efficiency is equal to compression header length di= vided by P. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:01 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] COMPRESS, Encapsulation Compression Description: A solution to compress SR for the IPv6 data plane MUST support efficient SR= v6 encapsulating header compression. Rationale: The compression of SRv6 is the primary goal of the SR compression design te= am. Metric: Compression is the ratio of the IPv6 encapsulation size of SRv6 as defined = in RFC8402, RFC8754, draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming vs the IPv6= encapsulation size of a given proposal. The encapsulation savings of a compression proposal vs the SRv6 base is a u= seful measurement to compare proposals. The encapsulation metric (E) records the number of bytes required for a pro= posal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list. I.e. E(proposal, segment list) The encapsulation savings (ES) records the encapsulation savings for a pro= posal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list. I.e. ES(proposal, segment list) =3D 1 - E(proposal, segment list)/E(SRv6 = base, segment list) --_000_BN6PR11MB40819B8312FD78047BDBF3A9C8700BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ron and Sander, I think we are saying t= he same thing but slightly differently.
I'm going to assume all prop= osals encapsulate in an outer IPv6 header and "other stuff" to ca= rry segments.  I believe this requirement has been proposed.

Without constraining how a proposal define= s its encapsulating IPv6 header, the description can be written as:<= /div>
When encapsulating a packet traversing an = SR domain, the size of a proposal's encapsulating IPv6 header MUST be reduc= ed vs the currently defined SRv6 encapsulating IPv6 header.  The size of the encapsulating header is measured in byt= es from the start of the encapsulating IPv6 header to the start of the enca= psulated packet header.

What do you think of this?  I believe it's more explicit and there is = no assumption that a proposal must be compliant or compatible with SRv6.

Darren
From: Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc= .ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:35 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>= ;; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01
 

Darren,

 

I think that the goal is laudable. However, I thin= k that there is a more solution-neutral way to measure compression efficien= cy.. Consider that:

 

  • An SR path is a series of segments.
  • Each segment is a= n instruction.
  • The information of an instruction can be measur= ed in bits. For example:
    • The information value of a service instruction is greater than 20 = bits (REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00)
    • The information value of a node i= nstruction is equal to the number of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?= )
    • The information value of an adjacency instruction is equal t= o the number of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) plus 16 bits (REQ-7= -27-LINK-SCALE-00)

 

So, the information value of an SR path (P) is equ= al to the sum of the information values of its segments.

 

A compression mechanism produces a particular comp= ression header for a particular SR path. So, we can create a table with the= following columns:

 

  • Compression mechanism
  • SR path (described as a seque= nce segment types)
  • Compression header length
  • Enco= ding efficiency

 

In this table, Encoding efficiency is equal to com= pression header length divided by P.

 

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Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>= ; On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes)
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:01 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

 

<= b>[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

COMP= RESS, Encapsulation Compression

&nbs= p;

Desc= ription:

A so= lution to compress SR for the IPv6 data plane MUST support efficient SRv6 e= ncapsulating header compression.

&nbs= p;

Rati= onale:

The = compression of SRv6 is the primary goal of the SR compression design team.<= /span>

&nbs= p;

Metr= ic:

Comp= ression is the ratio of the IPv6 encapsulation size of SRv6 as defined in R= FC8402, RFC8754, draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming vs the IPv6 enc= apsulation size of a given proposal.

The = encapsulation savings of a compression proposal vs the SRv6 base is a usefu= l measurement to compare proposals.

The = encapsulation metric (E) records the number of bytes required for a proposa= l to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list.

&nbs= p; I.e. E(proposal, segment list)

The = encapsulation savings  (ES) records the encapsulation savings for a pr= oposal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list.

&nbs= p; I.e. ES(proposal, segment list) =3D 1 - E(proposal, segment list)/E(SRv6= base, segment list)

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Wim, Can I factor the following assertions from your message? 1. If the solution includes the SRH, it must not violate RFC 7855. 2. Whether or not the solution uses the SRH, there must be a way for exi= sting SRv6 deployments that use the SRH to migrate to it. 3. The solution must use the SRH. I think that 1) and 2) are valid requirements. 3) is not. Do you agree? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 12:13 AM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Lets put it differently, people have deployed SRv6 today. I believe there i= s a req, which ensure these people can migrate seamlessly to a compressed s= olution otherwise they have to redo things. I believe SRH is used in some o= f these deployments, so there should be a requirement that if we find a sol= ution that is compatible with that a number of people will benefit from thi= s. We could even go a step further and say if we find a solution that is compa= tible with network programming draft people benefit from this and hence thi= s is a requirement. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Wednesday, 29 July 2020 at 21:23 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 Wim, Yes, I think that I understand what you are saying. The solution is not req= uired to use the SRH. But if it does use the SRH, it must be backwards comp= atible with RFC 7855. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:54 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] What I mean is that if we find a solution that in compatible with RFC 7855 = it allows for backward compatibility. I don't want to dictate how to do tha= t. I believe there is benefits in a solution or solutions that allow for th= at. Does that make sense? From: Ron Bonica > Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 23:29 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 Wim, When you say the solution complies with 7855, which of the following do you= mean: * That it does not uses the SRH in a way that violates 7855 * That it must use the SRH I assume that you mean the former and not the latter. Do I have that right? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:32 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: SPRING FRAMEWORK Description: Compliance to RFC 7855 Rationale: Having a solution that complies to RFC7855, would allow for a na= tural evolution in the SPRING WG, and interoperability for customers who de= ployed SR already Metric: Compliance to RFC7855 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348A2BBDBB46D420170804FAE710DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Wim,

 

Can I factor the following assertions from your mess= age?

 

  1. If the solution includes the SRH, it must not violate RFC 7855.<= /o:p>
  2. Whether or not the solution uses the SRH, there must be a w= ay for existing SRv6 deployments that use the SRH to migrate to it.
  3. The solution must use the SRH.

 

I think that 1) and 2) are valid requirements. 3) is= not.

 

Do you agree?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 12:13 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Lets put it differently, people have deployed SRv6 t= oday. I believe there is a req, which ensure these people can migrate seaml= essly to a compressed solution otherwise they have to redo things. I believ= e SRH is used in some of these deployments, so there should be a requirement that if we find a solution that is compat= ible with that a number of people will benefit from this.

We could even go a step further and say if we find a= solution that is compatible with network programming draft people benefit = from this and hence this is a requirement.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Wednesday, 29 July 2020 at 21:23
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

Wim,

 

Yes, I think that I understand what you are saying. = The solution is not required to use the SRH. But if it does use the SRH, it= must be backwards compatible with RFC 7855.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;             =             &nb= sp;            =            Ron<= /o:p>

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:54 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

What I mean is that if we find a solution that in co= mpatible with RFC 7855 it allows for backward compatibility. I don’t = want to dictate how to do that. I believe there is benefits in a solution o= r solutions that allow for that.

Does that make sense?

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 23:29
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

Wim,

 

When you say the solution complies with 7855, which = of the following do you mean:

 

  • That it does not uses the SRH in a way that violates 7855<= /li>
  • That it must use the SRH

 

I assume that you mean the former and not the latter= . Do I have that right?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:32 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Short Name: SPRING = FRAMEWORK

 = 

Description: Compliance to RFC 7855

 =

Rationale: Having a solu= tion that complies to RFC7855, would allow for a natural evolution in the S= PRING WG, and interoperability for customers who deployed SR already

 =

Metric: Compliance to RF= C7855

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Darren, We are getting closer, but there is still room for refinement. This requirement is all about metrics. So, have to: * Measure the right thing * Measure it correctly I think we are measuring a compression factor. The compression factor is R = divided by P where: * R is the IPv6 overhead required to represent an SR path (measured in = bits) * P is the amount of information in an SR path (also measured in bits) See below for a discussion of how to calculate P. If you want, you can include RFC 7855 as one of the proposed solutions. Tha= t way, you can see how each proposed solution compares to RFC 7855 without = measuring it in terms of 7855. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 6:27 AM To: Ron Bonica ; Darren Dukes (ddukes) ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Ron and Sander, I think we are saying the same thing but slightly differ= ently. I'm going to assume all proposals encapsulate in an outer IPv6 header and "= other stuff" to carry segments. I believe this requirement has been propos= ed. Without constraining how a proposal defines its encapsulating IPv6 header, = the description can be written as: When encapsulating a packet traversing an SR domain, the size of a proposal= 's encapsulating IPv6 header MUST be reduced vs the currently defined SRv6 = encapsulating IPv6 header. The size of the encapsulating header is measure= d in bytes from the start of the encapsulating IPv6 header to the start of = the encapsulated packet header. What do you think of this? I believe it's more explicit and there is no as= sumption that a proposal must be compliant or compatible with SRv6. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Ron Bonica > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:35 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) >; srcomp@ietf.org <= srcomp@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 Darren, I think that the goal is laudable. However, I think that there is a more so= lution-neutral way to measure compression efficiency.. Consider that: * An SR path is a series of segments. * Each segment is an instruction. * The information of an instruction can be measured in bits. For exampl= e: * The information value of a service instruction is greater than 20 = bits (REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00) * The information value of a node instruction is equal to the number= of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) * The information value of an adjacency instruction is equal to the = number of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) plus 16 bits (REQ-7-27-LI= NK-SCALE-00) So, the information value of an SR path (P) is equal to the sum of the info= rmation values of its segments. A compression mechanism produces a particular compression header for a part= icular SR path. So, we can create a table with the following columns: * Compression mechanism * SR path (described as a sequence segment types) * Compression header length * Encoding efficiency In this table, Encoding efficiency is equal to compression header length di= vided by P. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:01 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] COMPRESS, Encapsulation Compression Description: A solution to compress SR for the IPv6 data plane MUST support efficient SR= v6 encapsulating header compression. Rationale: The compression of SRv6 is the primary goal of the SR compression design te= am. Metric: Compression is the ratio of the IPv6 encapsulation size of SRv6 as defined = in RFC8402, RFC8754, draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming vs the IPv6= encapsulation size of a given proposal. The encapsulation savings of a compression proposal vs the SRv6 base is a u= seful measurement to compare proposals. The encapsulation metric (E) records the number of bytes required for a pro= posal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list. I.e. E(proposal, segment list) The encapsulation savings (ES) records the encapsulation savings for a pro= posal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list. I.e. ES(proposal, segment list) =3D 1 - E(proposal, segment list)/E(SRv6 = base, segment list) --_000_DM6PR05MB634885C5CAFF2F8D5D78EDEEAE710DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Darren,

 

We are getting closer, but there is still room for r= efinement.

 

This requirement is all about metrics. So, have to:<= o:p>

 

  • Measure the right thing
  • Measure it correctly

 

I think we are measuring a compression factor. The c= ompression factor is R divided by P where:

 

  • R is the IPv6 overhead required to represent an SR path (measured in = bits)
  • P is the amount of information  in an SR pa= th (also measured in bits)

 

See below for a discussion of how to calculate P.

 

If you want, you can include RFC 7855 as one of the = proposed solutions. That way, you can see how each proposed solution compar= es to RFC 7855 without measuring it in terms of 7855.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;          Ron

 

 

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From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40ci= sco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 6:27 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; Darren Dukes (ddukes) &l= t;ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Hi Ron and Sander, I think we are saying the same thing but sligh= tly differently.

I'm goi= ng to assume all proposals encapsulate in an outer IPv6 header and "ot= her stuff" to carry segments.  I believe this requirement has bee= n proposed.

&n= bsp;

Without constraining how a proposal defines its encapsulating IPv= 6 header, the description can be written as:

When encapsulating a packet traversing an SR domain, the size of = a proposal's encapsulating IPv6 header MUST be reduced vs the currently def= ined SRv6 encapsulating IPv6 header.  The size of the encapsulating header is measured in bytes from the s= tart of the encapsulating IPv6 header to the start of the encapsulated pack= et header.

&n= bsp;

What do= you think of this?  I believe it's more explicit and there is no assu= mption that a proposal must be compliant or compatible with SRv6.

&n= bsp;

Darren<= o:p>

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmar= c..ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:35 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

 

Darren,

 

I think that the goal is laudable. However, I think= that there is a more solution-neutral way to measure compression efficienc= y.. Consider that:

 

  • An SR path is a series of segments.
  • Each segme= nt is an instruction.
  • The information of an instruct= ion can be measured in bits. For example:
    • The information value of a service instruction is greater than 20 bi= ts (REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00)
    • The information value of a= node instruction is equal to the number of bits in a locator (between 48 a= nd 128?)
    • The information value of an adjacency instru= ction is equal to the number of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) plu= s 16 bits (REQ-7-27-LINK-SCALE-00)

 

So, the information value of an SR path (P) is equa= l to the sum of the information values of its segments.

 

A compression mechanism produces a particular compr= ession header for a particular SR path. So, we can create a table with the = following columns:

 

  • Compression mechanism
  • SR path (described as a = sequence segment types)
  • Compression header length
  • Encoding efficiency

 

In this table, Encoding efficiency is equal to comp= ression header length divided by P.

 

        &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;             = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;        Ron

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes)
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:01 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

 

= [External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

COMPRE= SS, Encapsulation Compression

 =

Descri= ption:

A solu= tion to compress SR for the IPv6 data plane MUST support efficient SRv6 enc= apsulating header compression.

 =

Ration= ale:

The co= mpression of SRv6 is the primary goal of the SR compression design team.

 =

Metric= :

Compre= ssion is the ratio of the IPv6 encapsulation size of SRv6 as defined in RFC= 8402, RFC8754, draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming vs the IPv6 encap= sulation size of a given proposal.

The en= capsulation savings of a compression proposal vs the SRv6 base is a useful = measurement to compare proposals.

The en= capsulation metric (E) records the number of bytes required for a proposal = to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list.

 = I.e. E(proposal, segment list)

The en= capsulation savings  (ES) records the encapsulation savings for a prop= osal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list.

 = I.e. ES(proposal, segment list) =3D 1 - E(proposal, segment list)/E(SRv6 b= ase, segment list)

 

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definitions=main-2007300134 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 19:41:43 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB63488DCC00C0F94B3A69D60BAE710DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wim, First, we have to make a distinction between co-existence and interworking. Assume that two tunnels connect Node A to Node B. One tunnel uses SRv6 with= an RFC 8577 style SRH. The other tunnel uses Compression Mechanism X. In t= his case we can say that Compression Mechanism X can co-exist with the SRv6= SRH. Now assume that a single tunnel connects Node A to Node B. Node A sends SRv= 6 packets that have an RFC 8577 style SRH. Node B receives packets in which= the SRH has been replaced by Compression Mechanism X. Some intermediate no= de did the translation. We call this interworking. Co-existence is clearly a requirement. Without co-existence, migration is i= mpossible. While I am a big fan of interworking, I am not sure that it is a requiremen= t. Can you convince me that it is? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:02 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Would we not say the solution must interwork with a SR deployment that uses= SRv6 with SRH ? From: Ron Bonica > Date: Thursday, 30 July 2020 at 17:20 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 Hi Wim, Can I factor the following assertions from your message? 1. If the solution includes the SRH, it must not violate RFC 7855. 2. Whether or not the solution uses the SRH, there must be a way for exi= sting SRv6 deployments that use the SRH to migrate to it. 3. The solution must use the SRH. I think that 1) and 2) are valid requirements. 3) is not. Do you agree? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 12:13 AM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Lets put it differently, people have deployed SRv6 today. I believe there i= s a req, which ensure these people can migrate seamlessly to a compressed s= olution otherwise they have to redo things. I believe SRH is used in some o= f these deployments, so there should be a requirement that if we find a sol= ution that is compatible with that a number of people will benefit from thi= s. We could even go a step further and say if we find a solution that is compa= tible with network programming draft people benefit from this and hence thi= s is a requirement. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Wednesday, 29 July 2020 at 21:23 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 Wim, Yes, I think that I understand what you are saying. The solution is not req= uired to use the SRH. But if it does use the SRH, it must be backwards comp= atible with RFC 7855. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:54 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] What I mean is that if we find a solution that in compatible with RFC 7855 = it allows for backward compatibility. I don't want to dictate how to do tha= t. I believe there is benefits in a solution or solutions that allow for th= at. Does that make sense? From: Ron Bonica > Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 23:29 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 Wim, When you say the solution complies with 7855, which of the following do you= mean: * That it does not uses the SRH in a way that violates 7855 * That it must use the SRH I assume that you mean the former and not the latter. Do I have that right? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:32 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: SPRING FRAMEWORK Description: Compliance to RFC 7855 Rationale: Having a solution that complies to RFC7855, would allow for a na= tural evolution in the SPRING WG, and interoperability for customers who de= ployed SR already Metric: Compliance to RFC7855 --_000_DM6PR05MB63488DCC00C0F94B3A69D60BAE710DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wim,

 

First, we have to make a distinction between co-exis= tence and interworking.

 

Assume that two tunnels connect Node A to Node B. On= e tunnel uses SRv6 with an RFC 8577 style SRH. The other tunnel uses Compre= ssion Mechanism X. In this case we can say that Compression Mechanism X can= co-exist with the SRv6 SRH.

 

Now assume that a single tunnel connects Node A to N= ode B. Node A sends SRv6 packets that have an RFC 8577 style SRH. Node B re= ceives packets in which the SRH has been replaced by Compression Mechanism = X. Some intermediate node did the translation. We call this interworking.

 

Co-existence is clearly a requirement. Without co-ex= istence, migration is impossible.

 

While I am a big fan of interworking, I am not sure = that it is a requirement. Can you convince me that it is?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   Ron

 

 

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:02 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Would we not say the solution must interwork with a = SR deployment that uses SRv6 with SRH ?

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 30 July 2020 at 17:20
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

Hi Wim,

 

Can I factor the following assertions from your mess= age?

 

  1. If the solution includes the SRH, it must not violate RFC 7855.<= /o:p>
  2. Whether or not the solution uses the SRH, there must be a w= ay for existing SRv6 deployments that use the SRH to migrate to it.
  3. The solution must use the SRH.

 

I think that 1) and 2) are valid requirements. 3) is= not.

 

Do you agree?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 12:13 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Lets put it differently, people have deployed SRv6 t= oday. I believe there is a req, which ensure these people can migrate seaml= essly to a compressed solution otherwise they have to redo things. I believ= e SRH is used in some of these deployments, so there should be a requirement that if we find a solution that is compat= ible with that a number of people will benefit from this.

We could even go a step further and say if we find a= solution that is compatible with network programming draft people benefit = from this and hence this is a requirement.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Wednesday, 29 July 2020 at 21:23
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

Wim,

 

Yes, I think that I understand what you are saying. = The solution is not required to use the SRH. But if it does use the SRH, it= must be backwards compatible with RFC 7855.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;             =             &nb= sp;            =            Ron<= /o:p>

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:54 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

What I mean is that if we find a solution that in co= mpatible with RFC 7855 it allows for backward compatibility. I don’t = want to dictate how to do that. I believe there is benefits in a solution o= r solutions that allow for that.

Does that make sense?

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 23:29
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

Wim,

 

When you say the solution complies with 7855, which = of the following do you mean:

 

  • That it does not uses the SRH in a way that violates 7855<= /li>
  • That it must use the SRH

 

I assume that you mean the former and not the latter= . Do I have that right?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:32 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Short Name: SPRING = FRAMEWORK

 = 

Description: Compliance to RFC 7855

 =

Rationale: Having a solu= tion that complies to RFC7855, would allow for a natural evolution in the S= PRING WG, and interoperability for customers who deployed SR already

 =

Metric: Compliance to RF= C7855

 

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definitions=main-2007300136 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 19:46:17 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348F4ECACEA14E1D3DC222EAE710DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is interworking w/o a gateway? Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:44 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] An interworking solution is the least desired since it add cost and bottlen= ecks. So let's call it native interworking w/o a GW. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Thursday, 30 July 2020 at 21:41 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 Wim, First, we have to make a distinction between co-existence and interworking. Assume that two tunnels connect Node A to Node B. One tunnel uses SRv6 with= an RFC 8577 style SRH. The other tunnel uses Compression Mechanism X. In t= his case we can say that Compression Mechanism X can co-exist with the SRv6= SRH. Now assume that a single tunnel connects Node A to Node B. Node A sends SRv= 6 packets that have an RFC 8577 style SRH. Node B receives packets in which= the SRH has been replaced by Compression Mechanism X. Some intermediate no= de did the translation. We call this interworking. Co-existence is clearly a requirement. Without co-existence, migration is i= mpossible. While I am a big fan of interworking, I am not sure that it is a requiremen= t. Can you convince me that it is? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:02 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Would we not say the solution must interwork with a SR deployment that uses= SRv6 with SRH ? From: Ron Bonica > Date: Thursday, 30 July 2020 at 17:20 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 Hi Wim, Can I factor the following assertions from your message? 1. If the solution includes the SRH, it must not violate RFC 7855. 2. Whether or not the solution uses the SRH, there must be a way for exi= sting SRv6 deployments that use the SRH to migrate to it. 3. The solution must use the SRH. I think that 1) and 2) are valid requirements. 3) is not. Do you agree? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 12:13 AM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Lets put it differently, people have deployed SRv6 today. I believe there i= s a req, which ensure these people can migrate seamlessly to a compressed s= olution otherwise they have to redo things. I believe SRH is used in some o= f these deployments, so there should be a requirement that if we find a sol= ution that is compatible with that a number of people will benefit from thi= s. We could even go a step further and say if we find a solution that is compa= tible with network programming draft people benefit from this and hence thi= s is a requirement. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Wednesday, 29 July 2020 at 21:23 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 Wim, Yes, I think that I understand what you are saying. The solution is not req= uired to use the SRH. But if it does use the SRH, it must be backwards comp= atible with RFC 7855. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:54 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] What I mean is that if we find a solution that in compatible with RFC 7855 = it allows for backward compatibility. I don't want to dictate how to do tha= t. I believe there is benefits in a solution or solutions that allow for th= at. Does that make sense? From: Ron Bonica > Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 23:29 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 Wim, When you say the solution complies with 7855, which of the following do you= mean: * That it does not uses the SRH in a way that violates 7855 * That it must use the SRH I assume that you mean the former and not the latter. Do I have that right? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:32 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: SPRING FRAMEWORK Description: Compliance to RFC 7855 Rationale: Having a solution that complies to RFC7855, would allow for a na= tural evolution in the SPRING WG, and interoperability for customers who de= ployed SR already Metric: Compliance to RFC7855 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348F4ECACEA14E1D3DC222EAE710DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

What is interworking w/o a gateway?

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:44 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

An interworking solution is the least desired since = it add cost and bottlenecks.

So let’s call it native interworking w/o a GW.=

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 30 July 2020 at 21:41
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

Wim,

 

First, we have to make a distinction between co-exis= tence and interworking.

 

Assume that two tunnels connect Node A to Node B. On= e tunnel uses SRv6 with an RFC 8577 style SRH. The other tunnel uses Compre= ssion Mechanism X. In this case we can say that Compression Mechanism X can= co-exist with the SRv6 SRH.

 

Now assume that a single tunnel connects Node A to N= ode B. Node A sends SRv6 packets that have an RFC 8577 style SRH. Node B re= ceives packets in which the SRH has been replaced by Compression Mechanism = X. Some intermediate node did the translation. We call this interworking.

 

Co-existence is clearly a requirement. Without co-ex= istence, migration is impossible.

 

While I am a big fan of interworking, I am not sure = that it is a requirement. Can you convince me that it is?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   Ron

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:02 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Would we not say the solution must interwork with a = SR deployment that uses SRv6 with SRH ?

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 30 July 2020 at 17:20
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

Hi Wim,

 

Can I factor the following assertions from your mess= age?

 

  1. If the solution includes the SRH, it must not violate RFC 7855.<= /o:p>
  2. Whether or not the solution uses the SRH, there must be a w= ay for existing SRv6 deployments that use the SRH to migrate to it.
  3. The solution must use the SRH.

 

I think that 1) and 2) are valid requirements. 3) is= not.

 

Do you agree?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      Ron

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 12:13 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Lets put it differently, people have deployed SRv6 t= oday. I believe there is a req, which ensure these people can migrate seaml= essly to a compressed solution otherwise they have to redo things. I believ= e SRH is used in some of these deployments, so there should be a requirement that if we find a solution that is compat= ible with that a number of people will benefit from this.

We could even go a step further and say if we find a= solution that is compatible with network programming draft people benefit = from this and hence this is a requirement.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Wednesday, 29 July 2020 at 21:23
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

Wim,

 

Yes, I think that I understand what you are saying. = The solution is not required to use the SRH. But if it does use the SRH, it= must be backwards compatible with RFC 7855.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;             =             &nb= sp;            =            Ron<= /o:p>

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:54 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

What I mean is that if we find a solution that in co= mpatible with RFC 7855 it allows for backward compatibility. I don’t = want to dictate how to do that. I believe there is benefits in a solution o= r solutions that allow for that.

Does that make sense?

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 23:29
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

Wim,

 

When you say the solution complies with 7855, which = of the following do you mean:

 

  • That it does not uses the SRH in a way that violates 7855<= /li>
  • That it must use the SRH

 

I assume that you mean the former and not the latter= . Do I have that right?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      Ron

 

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:32 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Short Name: SPRING = FRAMEWORK

 = 

Description: Compliance to RFC 7855

 =

Rationale: Having a solu= tion that complies to RFC7855, would allow for a natural evolution in the S= PRING WG, and interoperability for customers who deployed SR already

 =

Metric: Compliance to RF= C7855

 

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definitions=main-2007300136 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 19:51:57 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB63487BDFF0FBF79B520FA46BAE710DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does that mean that every node must support both SRv6 SRH and the chosen co= mpression mechanism? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:50 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] It means that there is no element that translates one protocol stack to ano= ther to make the 2 talk to each other. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Thursday, 30 July 2020 at 21:46 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 What is interworking w/o a gateway? Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:44 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] An interworking solution is the least desired since it add cost and bottlen= ecks. So let's call it native interworking w/o a GW. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Thursday, 30 July 2020 at 21:41 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 Wim, First, we have to make a distinction between co-existence and interworking. Assume that two tunnels connect Node A to Node B. One tunnel uses SRv6 with= an RFC 8577 style SRH. The other tunnel uses Compression Mechanism X. In t= his case we can say that Compression Mechanism X can co-exist with the SRv6= SRH. Now assume that a single tunnel connects Node A to Node B. Node A sends SRv= 6 packets that have an RFC 8577 style SRH. Node B receives packets in which= the SRH has been replaced by Compression Mechanism X. Some intermediate no= de did the translation. We call this interworking. Co-existence is clearly a requirement. Without co-existence, migration is i= mpossible. While I am a big fan of interworking, I am not sure that it is a requiremen= t. Can you convince me that it is? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:02 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Would we not say the solution must interwork with a SR deployment that uses= SRv6 with SRH ? From: Ron Bonica > Date: Thursday, 30 July 2020 at 17:20 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 Hi Wim, Can I factor the following assertions from your message? 1. If the solution includes the SRH, it must not violate RFC 7855. 2. Whether or not the solution uses the SRH, there must be a way for exi= sting SRv6 deployments that use the SRH to migrate to it. 3. The solution must use the SRH. I think that 1) and 2) are valid requirements. 3) is not. Do you agree? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 12:13 AM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Lets put it differently, people have deployed SRv6 today. I believe there i= s a req, which ensure these people can migrate seamlessly to a compressed s= olution otherwise they have to redo things. I believe SRH is used in some o= f these deployments, so there should be a requirement that if we find a sol= ution that is compatible with that a number of people will benefit from thi= s. We could even go a step further and say if we find a solution that is compa= tible with network programming draft people benefit from this and hence thi= s is a requirement. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Wednesday, 29 July 2020 at 21:23 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 Wim, Yes, I think that I understand what you are saying. The solution is not req= uired to use the SRH. But if it does use the SRH, it must be backwards comp= atible with RFC 7855. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:54 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] What I mean is that if we find a solution that in compatible with RFC 7855 = it allows for backward compatibility. I don't want to dictate how to do tha= t. I believe there is benefits in a solution or solutions that allow for th= at. Does that make sense? From: Ron Bonica > Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 23:29 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 Wim, When you say the solution complies with 7855, which of the following do you= mean: * That it does not uses the SRH in a way that violates 7855 * That it must use the SRH I assume that you mean the former and not the latter. Do I have that right? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:32 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: SPRING FRAMEWORK Description: Compliance to RFC 7855 Rationale: Having a solution that complies to RFC7855, would allow for a na= tural evolution in the SPRING WG, and interoperability for customers who de= ployed SR already Metric: Compliance to RFC7855 --_000_DM6PR05MB63487BDFF0FBF79B520FA46BAE710DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Does that mean that every node must support both SRv= 6 SRH and the chosen compression mechanism?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;       Ron

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:50 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

It means that there is no element that translates on= e protocol stack to another to make the 2 talk to each other.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 30 July 2020 at 21:46
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

 

What is interworking w/o a gateway?

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:44 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

An interworking solution is the least desired since = it add cost and bottlenecks.

So let’s call it native interworking w/o a GW.=

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 30 July 2020 at 21:41
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

Wim,

 

First, we have to make a distinction between co-exis= tence and interworking.

 

Assume that two tunnels connect Node A to Node B. On= e tunnel uses SRv6 with an RFC 8577 style SRH. The other tunnel uses Compre= ssion Mechanism X. In this case we can say that Compression Mechanism X can= co-exist with the SRv6 SRH.

 

Now assume that a single tunnel connects Node A to N= ode B. Node A sends SRv6 packets that have an RFC 8577 style SRH. Node B re= ceives packets in which the SRH has been replaced by Compression Mechanism = X. Some intermediate node did the translation. We call this interworking.

 

Co-existence is clearly a requirement. Without co-ex= istence, migration is impossible.

 

While I am a big fan of interworking, I am not sure = that it is a requirement. Can you convince me that it is?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   Ron

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:02 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Would we not say the solution must interwork with a = SR deployment that uses SRv6 with SRH ?

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 30 July 2020 at 17:20
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

Hi Wim,

 

Can I factor the following assertions from your mess= age?

 

  1. If the solution includes the SRH, it must not violate RFC 7855.<= /o:p>
  2. Whether or not the solution uses the SRH, there must be a w= ay for existing SRv6 deployments that use the SRH to migrate to it.
  3. The solution must use the SRH.

 

I think that 1) and 2) are valid requirements. 3) is= not.

 

Do you agree?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      Ron

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 12:13 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Lets put it differently, people have deployed SRv6 t= oday. I believe there is a req, which ensure these people can migrate seaml= essly to a compressed solution otherwise they have to redo things. I believ= e SRH is used in some of these deployments, so there should be a requirement that if we find a solution that is compat= ible with that a number of people will benefit from this.

We could even go a step further and say if we find a= solution that is compatible with network programming draft people benefit = from this and hence this is a requirement.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Wednesday, 29 July 2020 at 21:23
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

Wim,

 

Yes, I think that I understand what you are saying. = The solution is not required to use the SRH. But if it does use the SRH, it= must be backwards compatible with RFC 7855.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;             =             &nb= sp;            =            Ron<= /o:p>

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:54 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

What I mean is that if we find a solution that in co= mpatible with RFC 7855 it allows for backward compatibility. I don’t = want to dictate how to do that. I believe there is benefits in a solution o= r solutions that allow for that.

Does that make sense?

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 23:29
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

Wim,

 

When you say the solution complies with 7855, which = of the following do you mean:

 

  • That it does not uses the SRH in a way that violates 7855<= /li>
  • That it must use the SRH

 

I assume that you mean the former and not the latter= . Do I have that right?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;      Ron

 

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:32 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Short Name: SPRING = FRAMEWORK

 = 

Description: Compliance to RFC 7855

 =

Rationale: Having a solu= tion that complies to RFC7855, would allow for a natural evolution in the S= PRING WG, and interoperability for customers who deployed SR already

 =

Metric: Compliance to RF= C7855

 

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the 2 talk to each other. I think there are two ways two different protocol stacks can do that (not saying that there are going to be two protocol stacks, but if there are=E2=80=A6): 1) Specify that devices implementing the new protocol MUST also implement the other protocol and MUST be able to seamlessly send a packet onward using either the new or the old protocol, depending on the next hop. And this must be done without loss of information. or 2) Specify that the new protocol MUST use a wire format that is compatible with the existing protocol in such a way that it will not confuse devices that only know about the old protocol and not the new protocol. Which way are you thinking? 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