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SPRING,

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Comments and corrections most welcome!

Carlos Pignataro.

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<p class=3D"p1"><b>IETF-88 spring meeting minutes</b></p>
<p class=3D"p2">Source Packet Routing in Networking WG (spring)</p>
<p class=3D"p2">IETF 88 (Vancouver) Agenda</p>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
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<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">CHAIR(s):=C2=A0 John Scudder &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jgs@juniper.net"><span =
class=3D"s1">jgs@juniper.net</span></a>&gt;</p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 Alvaro Retana &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aretana@cisco.com"><span =
class=3D"s1">aretana@cisco.com</span></a>&gt;</p>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">MONDAY, November 4, 2013</p>
<p class=3D"p2">1450-1720=C2=A0 Afternoon Session II</p>
<p class=3D"p2">Regency B</p>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2"><b>Meeting starts at 14:51 local time</b></p>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">o Administrivia</p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 =
Chairs=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20 minutes</p>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 - Note Well</p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 - Scribe</p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 - Blue Sheets</p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 - Charter Review</p>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Alvaro: This is the first time that we meet, this is =
Alvaro and John.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 Carlos is here taking notes. Always here =
the NOTE WELL. Make sure you know that by participating in the IETF to =
agree to the IETF process, you understand that meetings are being =
recorded, et al.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 Blue sheets are going around. First agenda =
bashing and then charter review=E2=80=A6</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 We have a very full agenda. Any changes =
you;d want to propose?</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Someone shouts: move charter to the end.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Alvaro: The agenda matches the order in the charter, =
so first we have use cases. Ida will join Stefano, that=E2=80=99s the =
only change. We might not get to all the items on the second part of the =
agenda. Other items? No, great.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 This is the charter, which has been =
discussed *a lot*. It went to the IESG, external review, etc. If you =
have comments please make them but at this time that might be comments =
for clarification.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 second part of the charter, from the IESG =
review, for every data plane we need to have a security analysis. This =
is important for every piece of work that comes in</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">John: And to re-emphasize, it=E2=80=99s important =
that that happens early on and not late.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Alvaro: Page 3 of the charter, says that any =
modifications or extensions need to be done in the WG responsible for =
that protocol. We will send requirements but protocol work will happen =
in other working groups.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 keep that in mind as we develop solutions =
and where solution work should go. Note the text at the bottom are the =
charter items. We will talk about requirements, who owns the data plane =
will talk about the solution.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 and the last page of the charter lists the =
Milestones. This should march the charter items. I do not think anyone =
should have issues with the dates, but please speak up.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Thomas Narten makes a motion to have people =
shift-sit-left so that people standing up can sit down.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">John pleads for people to raise their hands if they =
are next to an empty sit.</li>
</ul>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">o Segment Routing Use Cases</p>
<p class=3D"p4"><span class=3D"s2">=C2=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-us=
e-cases"><span =
class=3D"s3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routi=
ng-use-cases</span></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 Stefano Previdi and Ida Leung =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 15 minutes</p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: Presenting the SR use case draft, that =
we=E2=80=99ve been doing for the last 4 months. We are splitting the =
content in separate drafts, and thus we have the following docs that =
have been or will be submitted very soon.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 We have SR/LDP interop, OAM from Rudigher, =
and three to be published.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 this is the list of authors, which is =
growing given these documents.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 Next slide =E2=80=94 those are the =
sections in the generic use case draft, in 5-10 minutes I cannot go into =
details. We will take time in explaining the main use cases, like =
TE.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 Next slide: The main use case is efficient =
transport of MPLS services, shorter path, and keeping the ECMP awareness =
even for explicit routing. The ability of running explicit routing =
without extra signaling (no LDP, no RSVP), and if you run MPLS with =
IPv6, you do not need to wait for LDPv6</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">...The real operator problem to solve is CoS-based =
TE, for Asia to Europe go to the US, but for a different traffic take a =
different path based on delay.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6the alternative was multiple TE tunnels, =
but the advantage of SR is that identifiers from Asia domain will =
attract traffic to Asia, and from there it would flow to Europe. Solving =
a problem sensible to operators.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 Next Ida will present.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Ida: I am Ida from Rogers. We have cable TV and =
internet business, and we have individual lab to deliver each. Wireless =
only from Wireless access point. Cable only from Cable access =
point.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 Now, I actually have more service from one =
network cost to another domain. That=E2=80=99s my problem statement. =
Different networks, all have their IGP, and I need to find a way to keep =
my traffic cost low. Moving to 10G, 100G, I need to find a way how to =
stop expanding.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 Some traffic I also want on explicit =
paths. Even in the lab, it is way too complicated to deploy and =
operation to maintain. I need a solution, something simple.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 I need something like myself, simple and =
straightforward. One mechanism to fulfill all the requirements.=C2=A0</li>=

  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 I am excited for SPRING because it helped =
me find a solution to this.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 the first use case is typical, I have an =
Internet exit point. I need to provision from my Dual Plane Network to =
my Single Plane Network, and SPRING provides me that mechanism. Now I =
actually can build more NNI and control which NNI to go from my dual =
plane to my single plane network.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 I can actually stop growing these (dual =
plane) WAN links. I do not need to continue to build here, and I can =
save money. Ultimatelly will not have dual plane, my big dream is to not =
have the dual plane network.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 this other slide is more about Server =
(slide 5). Some of my traffic I do not want them to follow my IGP =
metric. Now SPTING can give me an answer to that.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 this are my two use cases. I do not build =
a network from one vendor. I need all vendors to bring SPRING.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Questions:</li>
  <ul class=3D"ul2">
    <li class=3D"li2">Stewart: IP, MPLS, or both?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ida: First, MPLS. Second, IPv6, I also have my =
usage.</li>
  </ul>
</ul>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">o Performance Engineered LSPs using the Segment Routing =
Data-Plane</p>
<p class=3D"p4"><span class=3D"s2">=C2=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shakir-rtgwg-sr-performance-engin=
eered-lsps"><span =
class=3D"s3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shakir-rtgwg-sr-performance-=
engineered-lsps</span></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 Rob =
Shakir=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 10 minutes</p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Rob: I am Rob from BT, this is traffic engineering =
with constraints. Essentially IGP metrics are one method to delver =
traffic, but we have other traffic that has other constraints. We have =
an overlay network, this provides connectivity for. So, we try to meet =
those constraints in our existing network core without building a new =
network, which would be inefficient.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 we see an increase of things that need =
guarantees, broadcast services for example.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 in the draft we try to explain two modes: =
the first one is Head-end based calculation, like colors on the IGP, =
using the existing cSPF.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 one of the reasons why we like this, is =
that routing is based on affinity, we are not updating any state on the =
network. There=E2=80=99s no clear requirements.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 (slide 4) however, we also thing there is =
a requirement to support centralized computation. Global optimization we =
can go for. This using a PCE, using PCEP, in the future might be =
generalized using I2RS type of work.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 this introduces more requirements like =
topology discovery.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 (slide 5) the other bit we are trying to =
cover on this draft is taking advantage of ECMPs, and explicit =
protection mechanisms. With a segment we can control that behavior. =
Covering things like how we do IPFRR. We might consolidate a use-case =
drafts, some things in this drafts should fall out.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 this draft should cover these requirements =
on per flow basis.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 question, comments, rotten fruit?</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Questions:</li>
  <ul class=3D"ul2">
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed=C2=A0Crabbe, speaking for Lucy Young: What =
granularity flow are you describing?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Rob: DSCP based, particular markings, particular =
FECs, classes. Very flexible.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed: Which is really feedback for the PCE WG.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Alvaro: This is very important to discuss, because =
it is the first item, use cases. Are there any concerns with use =
cases?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">&lt;silence&gt;</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Alvaro: Stefano said you will split into smaller =
drafts.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: In fact, we already splited the content =
of the use case draft. What you will see is additional drafts with other =
use cases.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Rob: Yes.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">John: Are you guys ready to ask for WG draft?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: Is there risk on asking?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">John: No risk, this is the first item.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: I=E2=80=99ve no reason not to ask, so I =
will ask.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">John: We will take it to the list, as always. If =
you have concerns, express them.</li>
  </ul>
</ul>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">o Segment Routing Architecture</p>
<p class=3D"p4"><span class=3D"s2">=C2=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing"><=
span =
class=3D"s3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routi=
ng</span></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 Stefano =
Previdi=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 15 minutes</p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: OK, now talking about the Segment Routing =
Architecture. 10-15 mins?</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 this is the architecture, it is the 2nd =
version, 3rd version but 2nd incarnation of that draft.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 this is the list of use cases, and =
protocol extensions. Those protocol extensions will be presented in =
their respective working groups.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 The SR architecture aims to support =
multiple use cases, some of which can be grouped together on a =
per-dataplane or a functionality. It is not required by the architecture =
to support all these parts.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 SR is about segments, and a segment can =
represent a service, context, locator, etc. The identifiers are taken =
either from a local or global space.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 SR can be used in a fully-distributed =
fashion, or optimization. It supports the different flavors of the =
architecture.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 data planes, we support of course the MPLS =
DP as-is, we expect no changes from MPLS in the past 15-18 years.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 IPv6 we do require some extensions, which =
already exist, consistent with RFC 2460. We have some work to do here =
still, but today too early and we will publish something by next =
IETF.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 in regards to implementations, we have =
some implementations and soon we will publish an interoperability =
report. The feedback we get from use and troubleshooting is great.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 what is Segment Routing about? This =
picture (slide 6) explains everything. Every node has a global =
identifier. If you put label 72 on a packet, the packet will reach node =
C. So if you put 72, 78, 65, the node will go C, O, Z. Nothing really =
new in the MPLS data plane.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 so, again, from an architecture =
perspective, we talk about these operations: push, pop, swap.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 we have a different between local segments =
and global segments. The local has significance in the context of the =
node advertising the segment. Typically it is an adjacency with a node. =
It needs to be known only by the node.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 global segment has global significance. =
This is what the architecture specifies, we do support local label =
spaces from a global index. Even if different MPLS platforms support =
different label spaces, we can advertise an index.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 we said this many many times, the key =
advantage of SR is the lack of state in the network. The amount of =
traffic or explicit path will not generate state in the network.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 We define in the architecture three types =
of segments, or two and a half. The first one is a prefix, global. One =
type of prefix is a node segment. It has the semantic of being node =
identifier. And then you have the adjacency segment, which is a link =
between two nodes.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 in the case of a node segment, the new =
sub-TLV called segment identifier in OSPF or ISIS, any node can push the =
label and the packet will reach the destination in the shortest =
path.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 the adjacency segment, those have local =
significance. Only understood by the router that originates them. Allows =
to define any explicit path along the network.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 in this case (slide 14) we might want to =
advertise more than one identifier per adjacency. We can use this for =
link bundles.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 this is an example of mixing identifiers. =
My packet will travel shortest path to C, then to the link to O, then =
the shortest path from O to Z. This can be done also not using the =
adjacency label. Does the same thing with labels representing only =
nodes.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 the use of adj. identifier is useful, but =
most cases you can do the same with node identifier.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 we made these extensions to OSPF and =
IS-IS. Again, absolutely no changes to the data plan itself.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 we started talking about service segments, =
it is premature to talk about them. When you build the stack of labels =
to put on the packet, you may also want to enforce a specific service =
chain. No changes to the architecture.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 OK, questions?</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Questions:</li>
  <ul class=3D"ul2">
    <li class=3D"li2">Anoop from Dell: Inone of the slides you said you =
have implementation, is that MPLS, IPv6, or both</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: We have both, but IPv6 we may want to =
continue some architectural work.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Anoop: so you are using the existing source =
routing for IPv6?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: Yes, extension heareds.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stewart Bryant AD: You made a reference to the =
Type 0 routing header in RFC2460, and that was the mechanism that gave =
the ADs a lot of headache. It would be useful to pull that out and =
socialize it with Int-Area ADs to know if we are on the right track or =
not.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: Sure.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Xhenbin from Huawei: Two comments. First, in =
practice, many vendors implemented MPLS label stacks with a limitation =
on stack size, on hardware. Second, for segment routing, we need to keep =
forwarding mechanism for MPLS Multicast. This is a challenge and adds =
complexity.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: Let me ask the second one first. Dino is =
there, for multicast it will be complex. Regarding the label stack, yes, =
if you want to express a path by using one label per hop, that could be =
a problem for some implementations.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 but you can see most cases are solved =
with a limited number of labels. Label stack has not been raised as an =
issue.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Xhenbin: Maybe node segment and link segment. =46rom=
 the Seamless MPLS architecture, in this architecture there are more =
links and more nodes.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: It=E2=80=99s not the number of links, it =
is the complexity you have on the explicit path.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Xhenbin: My concern is scalability, limit =
usage.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: I do not think so, at all.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Xhenbin: You will have to calculate label stack =
carefully.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Dino: To quote Dave Katz, take any simple problem, =
and will be hard with multicast. But it does not need to be. I=E2=80=99d =
recumbent tunneling and pushing the multicast to edges.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: Yes</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Someone: You have different size =
advertisements.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: In ISIS advertising a size of bits is =
complicated.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Someone: TTL will be useful.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: That is in the data plane. This is in the =
control plane.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Someone: The other comment was the length of the =
stack. For the load balancing case and entropy label will be hard.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">John: More on EL later.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ahmed from Cisco: The label size is not an =
issue.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed Crabbe: obviously I support the effort, but I =
do think that the length of label stack is actually an issue in LERs. =
Your milage will vary, it is a fact, you will have to do the =
analysis.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: Yes, we are confident based on our =
analysis. But good point.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Rob: Since the label stack keeps coming back, =
maybe we need to put a draft with anonymized data from operators.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed: Again, it depends on your topology but you =
need to do that analysis.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">John S, as individual: It is great to present data =
about existing networks, but today=E2=80=99s networks are not =
tomorrow=E2=80=99s, so we should do that analysis as well.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Dino: General comment about SR. The idea could be =
good, I do not know if it will be good. The fact that you need to make =
so many protocol changes=E2=80=A6 can you do this without so many =
changes?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: We have to agree on =E2=80=9Cso many=E2=80=9D=
, we have 3 sub-TLVs.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Dino: The fact that you have a single TLV, means =
everyone needs to upgrade their routers. And if you have these changes =
now, you will have a lot more.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: Just to assure you we have =
implementations, it addresses valid use cases.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Robert R: Response to Dino: There is one draft =
with Keyur, we are defining BGP Vector router, one change, control plane =
independent of IGP extensions.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Xhenbin: Regarding service chain, you have more =
changes. Analyze top of the label stack. Service header will be kept in =
the forwarding. So maybe we have to do different. See the service label =
firstly. That would be changes to the MPLS data plane. You have to =
remove top of label for forwarding then make process based on the =
service label.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: No, sorry. I think you got it wrong, but =
let=E2=80=99s wait on the service chain draft. It=E2=80=99s difficult to =
discuss.=C2=A0</li>
  </ul>
</ul>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">o Supporting Source/Explicitly Routed Tunnels via =
Stacked LSPs</p>
<p class=3D"p4"><span class=3D"s2">=C2=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gredler-spring-mpls"><span =
class=3D"s3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gredler-spring-mpls</span></=
a></span></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 Hannes =
Gredler=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 10 minutes</p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Hannes: Hi, I am Hannes. I want to pick on Dino=E2=80=99=
s comment that less is better. Yakov, Luay, Sri, and me have put some =
thoughts on how much architecture we need. We want to reuse the MPLS =
architecture as is, do we need all this architecture?</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 can it be that for achieving explicit =
routing we could use existing architectural documents, specifically RFC =
3031.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 we have a set of definitions in there that =
can be used for Segment Routing. Explicitly Routed is any tunnel that =
deviates from IGP. At the time of writing the draft, that was RSVP-TE or =
CR-LDP.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 the question is can we establish =
explicitly routed tunnels without the core router signaling?</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 we think the answer is Yes. Essentially =
here each label in the stack represents an egress point.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 furthermore, one of the things that RFC =
3031 talks about is how to learn the label state. Existing protocols =
need a directed session, otherwise it is not possible to have label =
state. With the IGP flooding machinery we can reach nodes not directly =
adjacent.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 how does this work? Today we have more =
segments. The middle segment here can be an explicit path brought up by =
RSVP, or it could be a stacked together LSP brought by the IGP =
extensions that Stefano and others are proposing.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 we have here 3 segments. LDP, RSVP, and =
RSVP. In fact, if one really wants to describe an explicit route, it =
just needs to track the dependency of ingress-egress pairs. If there is =
one that matches the constraints, use it. Before we used to have a cSPF =
machinery, put all the requirements, and comes back with a result. Here, =
skips the last step and looks into the IGP or RSVP database finding =
snippets.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 if we draw a comparison, and try to =
translate, here=E2=80=99s the rosetta stone for that: segment is nothing =
but an MPLS label adversed by intermediate point. segment list is MPLS =
segment stack, and advertising in OSPF/ISIS is using that as segment =
distribution.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 in summary, we do not think that there is =
a need for further architectural documents to describe segment stacking. =
We want to use segment stacking to build segments using the existing =
architecture</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Questions:</li>
  <ul class=3D"ul2">
    <li class=3D"li2">Greg M.: I think the second buller is not correct, =
special purpose label do not respond to segment.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Hannes: It can be a service.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Greg: No, OAM.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">John: Are you saying that every label stack is not =
a label list?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Greg: No, not every element.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Peter L: How do this apply if my labels are IPv6 =
labels, do you have more slides?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Hannes: This is about label stacking for the MPLS =
data plane. It is not about how to introduce source routing for =
IPv6.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: In segment routing a segment can also =
identify an OAM instruction, or any instruction. Just for the analogy. =
Here the idea looks like an improvement because you improve scalability, =
but why don=E2=80=99t you go to the next level and get rid of RSVP in =
the core?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Hannes: It does not need to be RSVP only.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed: Sorry, I am not really sure I agree with that. =
Getting rid of RSVP in the core has a lot of benefits.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Hannes: OK, but my question is getting rid of RSVP =
also imply getting rig of explicit router paths. RSVP is an example</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed: I was addressing your verbatim.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Dino: If you already have labels in the IGP, you =
do not need them in the RSVP, why extra protocol? That was Stefano=E2=80=99=
s point.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Hannes: The proposed protocol extensions are not a =
full stop replacement of RSVP or LDP. They are a partial replacement, at =
least we see a shift of functionality.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: No, but let=E2=80=99s not argue. In this =
case you reduce state from the core but you do not remove it. My comment =
is that you need to remove state from the core.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Himanshu Shah, Ciena: You mention Traffic =
Engineering.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Hannes; No, I mentioned Explicit Routing.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Himanshu: OK, how does a router know that a set of =
nodes have become extremely congested?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Hannes: Rob had mentioned that he will build on =
extended IGP metrics. Allows to inject into the TE control plane.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Jeff Haas: It is worth pointing out that you could =
get rid of RSVP, or LDP, etc. RSVP does more things than just CPU =
cycles, and in some cases you need to have these things =
interoperate.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed: Yes, you could replace RSVP, and PCE =
extensions, or alternate with BGP single label + Flowspec.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Hannes: Is the topic if we can replace RSVP?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed: It was your statement.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Hannes: For centralized, =C2=A0yes, for =
distributed no.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Rob: The point about can you remove RSVP. You have =
engineering demands, something has to keep state. It does not matter to =
me if it is in RSVP or a controller. My point is that we do not deploy =
RSVP because we cannot make it scale. TE requirements are not about =
scale. If you can do that in a stateless case, you would do that.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">John: Hannes talk is not about replacing =
RSVP.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Hannes: Happy to talk about it later on.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ron Bonica: There are two conversations. One is in =
this minimal architectural framework versus the bigger architecture =
docs, the second is about replace RSVP. I want to talk about the former, =
which architecture is better. We should run the use cases through the =
architectures, and see if both pass, then we can invoke the =
smaller.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Someone2: If you look at the SR architecture =
document form Stefano, there are things not in RFC 3031. Node segment =
IDs representing multiple nodes. 3031 you have limited scope on node. =
Some things are not represented in 3031.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Rob: Response for Rob. To me this is not a =
replacement. To me, this is the part of the MPLS part of the SR =
architecture.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Hannes; Exactly, can we get away from the =
architecture in MPLS. We put the diligence of lawyers figuring out =
what=E2=80=99s defined and what=E2=80=99s not.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ron B: It may be that there are concepts that are =
not in 3031, but the question is whether you need those to address the =
use cases we hard today.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">John: Thanks everybody.</li>
  </ul>
</ul>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">o Segment Routing Fast Reroute</p>
<p class=3D"p4"><span class=3D"s2">=C2=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-francois-sr-frr"><span =
class=3D"s3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-francois-sr-frr</span></a></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 Bruno =
Decraene=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 10 minutes</p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Bruno: Presenting the Fast ReRoute Use case. This =
was presented in Berlin.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 this use case already documented in a =
draft.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 SR is directly applicable to these: first =
to remove LFA, get rid of t-LDP session. An extension is directed =
LFA.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 now going further. SR can use any number =
of nodes. What we are proposing now is FR from PLR to destination.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 First step is to compute the post =
convergence path, regular SPF, not new topology.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 So step two is to find the closest Q-node. =
There are four algorithms in the draft depending on link protection or =
node protection, or per next-hop of per-prefix.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 P node is the node that we want to reach. =
First we need to compute three SPT. SPT new. I use the green color for =
the new topology, and red for the old topology.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 we need to compute RDnew, which is the =
distance from old. FDold is SDold minus SFold. How can we get SD and SF? =
=46rom SPT old.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 now, RDnew, it is SDnew minus SRnew, =
because by design we enforce the new shortest path.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 now we know that it will use F to reach D. =
We will compare the shortest path. We are going to compare the path via =
F is FD. So if RDnew, R isn=E2=80=99t going to use F.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 the shortest list of segments to reach Q. =
P zero. We compute again, recurse, we call it P1, and so on. In most =
cases in our simulations we get 99% of cases.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 so we call it topology independent FRR. =
Provides 100% coverage for link and node protection. If your metric is =
based on delay, it is the shortest delay path. Best path per IGP =
metrics. And typically provisioned with enough capacity.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 it is policy friendly by default.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 Sorry we missed the deadline.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 So now, how much is this solution =
applicable? Directly applicable to Node Segments (SR), MPLS/LDP, and =
IP/IGP FECs.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 for SR adjacency segments is more complex. =
We cannot protect the adjacency because it is one per segment. We push F =
in order to enforce a route to F. We have two solutions. Directly =
applicable to people using TE.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 Questions?</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 it is a bit =E2=80=9Cmath=E2=80=9D.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Questions:</li>
  <ul class=3D"ul2">
    <li class=3D"li2">Alvaro: Anyone? questions, comments?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Hannes: LFA, remote LFA, this seems like =
approaching light speed, the closer you get, the more exponential the =
number of energy you need to put. One suggestion: if the link is going =
down and queuing that constrain the cSFF and pushing the label =
stack.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Bruno: That=E2=80=99s exactly for node protection. =
But we are not enforcing, we are using the new path.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Hannes: So that=E2=80=99s for node =
protection?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Bruno: Yes, exactly.</li>
  </ul>
</ul>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">o Segment Routing MPLS and SR/LDP Interoperability</p>
<p class=3D"p4"><span class=3D"s2">=C2=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-m=
pls"><span =
class=3D"s3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-segment-rout=
ing-mpls</span></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"p4"><span class=3D"s2">=C2=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-l=
dp-interop"><span =
class=3D"s3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-segment-rout=
ing-ldp-interop</span></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 Stefano =
Previdi=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 10 minutes</p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Stefano: I am back. This is SR with MPLS. We took it =
out from the architecture to have the architecture completely data plane =
agnostic.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 Segment in MPLS dataplane is a label. =
Obviously there is interop between SR and LDP/RSVP, documented is the =
LDP one.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 the improvement of SR over MPLS is the =
ability to do ECMP. And obviously no state in the core.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 the operations are PUSH, POP, SWAP, and we =
have equivalents.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 So LDP and RS interop, here=E2=80=99s a =
nice example. You can see from the advertisement from right to left, you =
can see the LDP advertisement goes into the LDP neighbor, and we use a =
functionality from SR introduced to IGP which is called a mapping label. =
So a node can add on behalf of nodes that do not support SR. So all =
routers will learn the mapping between F and label. And the SR/LDP =
capable nodes will translate with LDP label. It is just a ammeter of =
constructing the right label in the FIB.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 which means that the introduction of SR =
into an MPLS network is smooth, you do not need a forklift upgrade.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Questions?</li>
</ul>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Alvaro: That concludes the first half, going into =
the second half.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 for the remaining presentation we would =
not fit them all, but please cut your presentation by a minute.</li>
</ul>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">o Signaling Entropy Label Capability Using Interior =
Gateway Protocols</p>
<p class=3D"p4"><span class=3D"s2">=C2=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-mpls-el-capability-signaling-i=
gp"><span =
class=3D"s3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-mpls-el-capability-signal=
ing-igp</span></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 Xiaohu =
Xu=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 5 minutes</p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Xiaohu: It=E2=80=99s about signaling EL using =
IGP.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 a new TLV in the opaque LSA will advertise =
the RI, and a new sub-TLV is defined.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 thanks</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Questions:</li>
  <ul class=3D"ul2">
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed: I question its utility. If you add a new =
sub-TLV you already have. If you do it with PCE, you have by PCE nego. =
So why?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Xiaohu: This is to advertise EL capability.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed: But, why?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Someone from Juniper: It is different to handle EL =
as egress versus transit. Need to distinguish those two =
capabilities.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 there was also a discussion on label =
size, you probably need to advefsize that.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Xiaohu: How many labels has been discussed but we =
decided we want to advertise the issue in the next draft, and we can =
come back.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Rob: I do not understand why signal. If nodes can =
hash, then they do hash.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Xiaohu: The segment routing use of label =
stack.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Rob: Fine, but the LSR can only look four labels =
deep, so you build a different stack?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Greg: You cannot do it in one lookup.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Alvaro: Great discussions, although we cannot hear =
it. Keep in mind that extensions for things that already exist are not =
done here. It=E2=80=99s good to socialize. =C2=A0=C2=A0</li>
  </ul>
</ul>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">o Entropy labels for source routed stacked tunnels</p>
<p class=3D"p4"><span class=3D"s2">=C2=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kini-mpls-entropy-label-src-stack=
ed-tunnels"><span =
class=3D"s3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kini-mpls-entropy-label-src-=
stacked-tunnels</span></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 Kireeti =
Kompella=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 10 minutes</p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Kireeti: Did I actually signed up for this?</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 so, umm, ah. so, uhmm.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 RFC 6790 says use EL for load balancing. =
Because in the middle of the network you do not have context of what=E2=80=
=99s going on. So you add an EL to the Tunnel Label. Then the transit =
LSR should use this label stack for LB.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 what happens with SR or SPRING or STATUS =
is that you have very deep label stacks, and you want to try to put an =
entropy label in there=E2=80=A6 some people say you do not need to use =
EL with SR. But you still do, for a couple of reasons. You have =
LAGs.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 so we looked at three ways of doing this. =
Single EL for the entire stack. You have this ELI/EL really deep in the =
stack that you might not be able to use.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 another way to do it is the idea from =
6790, which is every tunnel adds EL/ELI. You might not want to do =
that.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 the last one we did is adding ELI/EL =
after, so then you re-use after the pop, by pushing under the next =
tunnel.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 that magical operation might be difficult =
for some hardware, but that=E2=80=99s a detail.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 Another is at =E2=80=9Creadable stack =
depths=E2=80=9D. To do this, you have to know how many labels each LSR =
can process, so I think that=E2=80=99s what was being mumbled in the =
previous presentation.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 so there are other work related to EL. The =
first question is: do we want good load balancing with segment routing. =
And if you do, how do you want to it? None of the methods here are =
really ideal. So I think that answering the first question is important. =
If we do, we need to pick the least of all evils.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Questions:</li>
  <ul class=3D"ul2">
    <li class=3D"li2">John: Does anyone want to speak in favor of *not* =
using entropy? Then we can see which one.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stewart: Is there any danger of misinterpreting =
labels for a router?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Kireeti: We have ELI</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Stewart: What does a router do if it does not =
understand ELI?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Kireeti: Drops the packet.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Sam Aldrin: How are you going to ensure the =
explicit path?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Kireeti: So, it=E2=80=99s not an explicit path as =
people has said many times. You have node labels where you can get from =
a point to a point far away. Or you can have a adjacency labels. You can =
use the entropy label in either of these cases.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 if these are the exact set of links and =
none have LAGs, then in that case EL is not interesting.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Sam: You can figure out how to go from point A to =
point B.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Kireeti: Yes, that=E2=80=99s why it should not be =
called explicit path.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed: It=E2=80=99s a loose sourced explicit =
path.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 I have a comment here. We are talking =
about intermediate nodes, maybe older hardware that cannot use EL. =
Versus older HW that cannot understand EL. How do you negotiate?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Kireeti: We would guess it, we do not have a =
context to know if the last label is an PW label, or a VPN label with =
IPv4 directly below, or others. We used to guess it, sometimes get it =
right, sometimes not.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed: I am not against. Probably good idea, probably =
necessary, but you are not solving the whole problem. Unless you are =
finding out depth in the stack advertised, you are not solving the whole =
problem.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Kireeti: Moving it closer to the top, means it is =
associated to the tunnel. But now with SR, it is not so accessible.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Someone2: I believe EL is required, the question =
is how in the architecture get to a solution.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 the worst case I=E2=80=99ve seen is 8-9 =
labels, excluding entropy.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 I=E2=80=99d like to understand which of =
the 3 proposals you suggest. My preference is the 1st one you presented. =
Needs more feedback on if it is possible of feasible. How do we =
choose?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">John: Let me propose that Entropy is not a =
bold-on, it is a key architectural element that needs to be covered in =
the architecture document. There;s a proposal on the table and =
interested parties.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed: Tangential comment =E2=80=94 people are very =
optimistic on the number of labels that can be pushed. I heard 10, and I =
won=E2=80=99t throw numbers but seems like high.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Kireeti: There are 3 proposals. People are talking =
about optimizing the label stack. If you reasonable expect to push 5 =
labels, maybe you can push 7, then you can use this.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 John asked the question about whether we =
care about Entropy but then answered that it is fundamental.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">John: We need to answer that on the list.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Mark Townsley: If we are taking EL more =
fundamentally into the SR architecture, might we get rid of the =
ELI?</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Kireeti: No.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Mark: Think harder. We might be able to.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">John: The charter says do not tinkle with existing =
databases.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ross C.: I will take my comment to the list.</li>
  </ul>
</ul>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">o Analysis of the Overhead of Source Routing in SP =
Networks</p>
<p class=3D"p4"><span class=3D"s2">=C2=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ashwood-sdnrg-state-reduction"><s=
pan =
class=3D"s3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ashwood-sdnrg-state-reductio=
n</span></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 Peter =
Ashwook-Smith=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 5 =
minutes</p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Peter: Kireeti gave me a good segway to this =
meeting.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 rather than had waving about what we heard =
in Berlin, I asked for data. Four SPs replied and gave me 7 =
links.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 I was able to compute BW increase and =
overhead, and produced a little plot.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 this is a worst case, which might not be a =
case, but it gives you an upper bound.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 I won;t go over all diagrams, but the two =
upper most charts are more interesting. 40% of packets are under 100 =
bytes, but that=E2=80=99s less than 5% of the total bandwidth. Most of =
the links have these characteristics. One of the links which is a mobile =
backhaul with PW has much smaller packets.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 if you take this data and extrapolate, =
these are the curves you get. The 12 byte overhead, it would impose 2-3 =
% overhead, and max 6%.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 obviously this is small amount of data, =
but better than handwaving. Hopefully people find it useful.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Questions:</li>
  <ul class=3D"ul2">
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed C: This is useful. I=E2=80=99m glad you are =
doing it. My issue is my sample size.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Peter: I look forward to your addition to the =
sample.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Ed: It is dependent upon time, etc, etc,.</li>
    <li class=3D"li2">Peter: Yes, one is very coarse, one is very =
granular. And if another SP wants to contribute we will use it =
anonymously.</li>
  </ul>
</ul>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">o Usecases of MPLS Global Label</p>
<p class=3D"p4"><span class=3D"s2">=C2=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-mpls-global-label-usecases"><s=
pan =
class=3D"s3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-mpls-global-label-usecase=
s</span></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 A Framework of MPLS Global Label</p>
<p class=3D"p4"><span class=3D"s2">=C2=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-mpls-global-label-framework"><=
span =
class=3D"s3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-mpls-global-label-framewo=
rk</span></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 =
TBD=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
10 minutes</p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Zhenbin: First is global label. Three uses: First =
Identification of the location, second, identification of the service, =
and third, identification of the Network</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 For=C2=A0the identification of =
the=C2=A0location, we have VPLS multicast over MP2MP LSPs, segment based =
EVPN, and MPLS OAM for LDP LSPs.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 For=C2=A0the identification of the =
service, local protection of PE node.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 and for the identification of the Network, =
MPLS network virtualization mechanisms based on MPLS Global Label</li>
</ul>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">o Framework of Network Virtualization Based on MPLS =
Global Label</p>
<p class=3D"p4"><span class=3D"s2">=C2=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-mpls-network-virtualization-fr=
amework"><span =
class=3D"s3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-li-mpls-network-virtualizati=
on-framework</span></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 =
TBD=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
10 minutes</p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Zhenbin: Here we introduce the framework.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 What label should be used for MPLS Global =
Label? Two options, use the traditional MPLS label range, of resolving =
conflicts between global and existing label range, proposing a mega =
label.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 this is the control plane mechanism. =
Here=E2=80=99s the steps. It is better to be allocation from a central =
control point. The controller can share MPLS global label range for all =
nodes.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 it can send the label request to the =
controller, then the global label mapping message is received and =
installed.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 there are different applications. The =
first one is BGP-based, the second one is IGP-based, and the third one =
is PCE-based.</li>
</ul>
<p class=3D"p3"><br></p>
<p class=3D"p2">o Advertising Global Labels Using IGP</p>
<p class=3D"p4"><span class=3D"s2">=C2=A0 <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-rtgwg-global-label-adv"><span =
class=3D"s3">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-rtgwg-global-label-adv</s=
pan></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"p2">=C2=A0 Xiaohu =
Xu=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 10 minutes</p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Alvaro: You have 4 minutes=E2=80=A6</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Zhenbin: Next. Background, Virtual Operators want to =
use virtual network to deploy services. They do not want to know the =
details of the physical network. Based on this we have this doc.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 here we implement the MPLS virtual =
network. This is the physical network operator. There is an IGP =
controller and IGP client. There=E2=80=99s a central IGP controller. And =
there are virtual network operators that can have virtual network =
topologies.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 here we can see an example. The MPLS =
Global label identifies the topology. You do not see the details of the =
underlying network.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 We have this draft in ISIS, and we ant =
this solution for failure solutions.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 we propose these attributes for a virtual =
link.=C2=A0</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 this is the forwarding in the virtual =
network. We have the virtual link, virtual node, and virtual =
topology.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 We want to build the global label for =
muti-topology FIB.</li>
</ul>
<p class=3D"p2">o =C2=A0Wrap:</p>
<ul class=3D"ul1">
  <li class=3D"li2">Alvaro: We have one more presentation.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">People shouting: We saw this one already.</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">Alvaro: Actually, don;t leave=E2=80=A6</li>
  <li class=3D"li2">=E2=80=A6 there seems to be consensus that we can =
leave now.</li>
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John, Alvaro, All,

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s.



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Hi!

I just posted the (updated) draft minutes from last week.

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/minutes/minutes-88-spring

Thanks to Carlos for being the note taker.

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I will support the move of the SR user cases to the WG item.  A lot of the
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On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" <sprevidi@cisco.com>
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Stefano:

>according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
>ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I'd like to request the adoption of
>draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.

I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but
we will still have to confirm it here on the list.

List: This message officially starts the call for adoption.  Please
indicate your position about adopting this use cases draft.  The call will
close on Friday, November 22, 2013.

Thanks!

Alvaro.


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Yes/support as coauthor=20

Regards,
Jeff

> On Nov 11, 2013, at 18:00, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" <sprevidi@cisco.com>
> wrote:
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> Stefano:
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>> according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
>> ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I'd like to request the adoption of
>> draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.
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> I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but
> we will still have to confirm it here on the list.
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> List: This message officially starts the call for adoption.  Please
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> Thanks!
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Same.=20

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>>> according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
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>>> draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.
>>=20
>> I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but=

>> we will still have to confirm it here on the list.
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Support as co-author

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Same.=20

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>>> according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
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>>> draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.
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t
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support.

r.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana)
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>
> Stefano:
>
>>according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
>>ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I'd like to request the adoption of
>>draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.
>
> I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but
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Alvaro,

I favor adoption as a WG draft.

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On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" <sprevidi@cisco.com>
wrote:

Stefano:

>according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
>ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I'd like to request the adoption of
>draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.

I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but
we will still have to confirm it here on the list.

List: This message officially starts the call for adoption.  Please
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Thanks!

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Support as co-author.

- Sri

On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Alvaro Retana (aretana)
<aretana@cisco.com> wrote:
> On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" <sprevidi@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
> Stefano:
>
>>according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
>>ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I'd like to request the adoption of
>>draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.
>
> I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but
> we will still have to confirm it here on the list.
>
> List: This message officially starts the call for adoption.  Please
> indicate your position about adopting this use cases draft.  The call will
> close on Friday, November 22, 2013.
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> Thanks!
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Alvaro, John,

> request the adoption of draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02=
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Support as co-author.

Regards,
Bruno

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>On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" <sprevidi@cisco.com>
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Stefano:

>according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
>ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I'd like to request the adoption of=20
>draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.

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Support as co-author

Cheers,
Clarence

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>> according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
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>> draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.
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ACK, support.


On 12 November 2013 09:12, <Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de> wrote:

> Alvaro,
>
> I favor adoption as a WG draft.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ruediger
>
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>
> On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" <sprevidi@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
> Stefano:
>
> >according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
> >ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I'd like to request the adoption of
> >draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.
>
> I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but
> we will still have to confirm it here on the list.
>
> List: This message officially starts the call for adoption.  Please
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<div dir=3D"ltr">ACK, support.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On 12 November 2013 09:12,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de" target=3D"_blank">Ruediger.Geib@t=
elekom.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Alvaro,<br>
<br>
I favor adoption as a WG draft.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Ruediger<br>
<div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:status-bounces@ietf.org">status-bounces@ietf.org</a=
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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:00 AM<br>
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Cc: John G. Scudder; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)<br>
Subject: Re: [Status] request to move draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-=
use-cases-02 to wg item<br>
<br>
</div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, &quot;St=
efano Previdi (sprevidi)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sprevidi@cisco.com">sp=
revidi@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
Stefano:<br>
<br>
&gt;according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at<b=
r>
&gt;ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I&#39;d like to request the adoption of<br>
&gt;draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.<br>
<br>
I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but<b=
r>
we will still have to confirm it here on the list.<br>
<br>
List: This message officially starts the call for adoption. =C2=A0Please<br=
>
indicate your position about adopting this use cases draft. =C2=A0The call =
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close on Friday, November 22, 2013.<br>
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Thanks!<br>
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>>according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
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On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Christian Martin <
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> Support.
>
> Cheers
> -Chris
>
> > On Nov 11, 2013, at 9:00 PM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <
> aretana@cisco.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" <sprevidi@cisco.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Stefano:
> >
> >> according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
> >> ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I'd like to request the adoption of
> >> draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.
> >
> > I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but
> > we will still have to confirm it here on the list.
> >
> > List: This message officially starts the call for adoption.  Please
> > indicate your position about adopting this use cases draft.  The call
> will
> > close on Friday, November 22, 2013.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Alvaro.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Support.<div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
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<br>
Cheers<br>
-Chris<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
&gt; On Nov 11, 2013, at 9:00 PM, &quot;Alvaro Retana (aretana)&quot; &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:aretana@cisco.com">aretana@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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&gt; On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, &quot;Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)&quot; &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:sprevidi@cisco.com">sprevidi@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
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&gt;<br>
&gt; Stefano:<br>
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&gt;&gt; ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I&#39;d like to request the adoption of<=
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&gt;&gt; draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.<=
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&gt; I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..=
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&gt; Alvaro.<br>
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>On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" <sprevidi@cisco.com>
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On 11/11/13 9:00 PM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:

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>
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On 2013-11-11, at 18:00 , Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote:

> On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" <sprevidi@cisco.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Stefano:
> 
>> according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
>> ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I'd like to request the adoption of
>> draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.
> 
> I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but
> we will still have to confirm it here on the list.
> 
> List: This message officially starts the call for adoption.  Please
> indicate your position about adopting this use cases draft.  The call will
> close on Friday, November 22, 2013.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Alvaro.
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(2013/11/12 11:00), Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote:
> On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" <sprevidi@cisco.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Stefano:
> 
>> according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
>> ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I'd like to request the adoption of
>> draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.
> 
> I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but
> we will still have to confirm it here on the list.
> 
> List: This message officially starts the call for adoption.  Please
> indicate your position about adopting this use cases draft.  The call will
> close on Friday, November 22, 2013.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Alvaro.
> 
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Support.

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On 2013-11-12, at 11:54 AM, "Matt Anderson" <matt@mattanderson.net<mailto:m=
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Support.



On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Christian Martin <christian.j.martin@gmai=
l.com<mailto:christian.j.martin@gmail.com>> wrote:
Support.

Cheers
-Chris

> On Nov 11, 2013, at 9:00 PM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com=
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> Stefano:
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>> according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
>> ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I'd like to request the adoption of
>> draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.
>
> I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but
> we will still have to confirm it here on the list.
>
> List: This message officially starts the call for adoption.  Please
> indicate your position about adopting this use cases draft.  The call wil=
l
> close on Friday, November 22, 2013.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Alvaro.
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&gt;&gt; according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases=
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br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..=
but<br>
&gt; we will still have to confirm it here on the list.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; List: This message officially starts the call for adoption. &nbsp;Plea=
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On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" <sprevidi@cisco.com>
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Stefano:

>according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
>ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I'd like to request the adoption of
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I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but
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List: This message officially starts the call for adoption.  Please
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On 12 Nov 2013, at 02:00, Alvaro Retana (aretana) <aretana@cisco.com> wrote:

>> according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
>> ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I'd like to request the adoption of
>> draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.
> 
> I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but
> we will still have to confirm it here on the list.
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Support as a co-author.

cheers,
r.

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Support.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: status-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:status-bounces@ietf.org] On
> Behalf Of Alvaro Retana (aretana)
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:00 PM
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> Cc: John G. Scudder; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)
> Subject: Re: [Status] request to move draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-
> routing-use-cases-02 to wg item
>=20
> On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" <sprevidi@cisco.com>
> wrote:
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> >according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
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> I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in
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> will close on Friday, November 22, 2013.
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-Nobo

> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [Status] request to move draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routin=
g-
> use-cases-02 to wg item
>=20
> On 11/6/13 10:24 PM, "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" <sprevidi@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>=20
> Stefano:
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> >according to what discussed after the presentation of SR Use Cases at
> >ietf88 spring-wg meeting, I'd like to request the adoption of
> >draft-filsfils-rtgwg-segment-routing-use-cases-02.txt as wg item.
>=20
> I believe there was support for adoption at the meeting in Vancouver..but
> we will still have to confirm it here on the list.
>=20
> List: This message officially starts the call for adoption.  Please indic=
ate your
> position about adopting this use cases draft.  The call will close on Fri=
day,
> November 22, 2013.
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> Thanks!
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