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Subject: RE: [Syslog] Summary of the syslog/tls issues resolving
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Yes, we need. But, it may not harm. The scenario may look like this:

Client already has the locally stored hostname/url of a Syslog server(A). It
sends a resolution request to DNS server, then get an IP from DNS server.
When the response is falsified by an attacker, the IP address is fake, in
fact the IP address is for Syslog server B. After client starts to talk to
server B using the fake IP address, it gets B's certificate. There is
hostname in the certificate. Client finds the hostname (B) in the
certificate and locally stored hostname (A) are not consistent, then it
disconnect the TLS connection. This is correct Syslog/TLS behavior we
expected. 
 
One may argue that server B may send a certificate with Server A's hostname
in its CN/SubjectAltName. In such case, there must be something wrong at CA
when issuing certificate or private key for the certificate is compromised.
It's CA or Certificate owner's job to make it correct. Syslog/TLS can do
nothing in this case.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Balazs Scheidler [mailto:bazsi@balabit.hu] 
> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 9:15 PM
> To: Miao Fuyou
> Cc: 'David B Harrington'; syslog@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Syslog] Summary of the syslog/tls issues resolving
> 
> On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 17:30 +0800, Miao Fuyou wrote:
> > Another problem of using DNS is: name resolution itself is 
> not secure 
> > if DNSSEC is not used (true im most cases). Dependency on DNS may 
> > introduce new security vulnerable to Syslog/TLS.
> > 
> > Client should use knowledge a priori to check server's certificate, 
> > such as URL, if it is available.
> 
> Yes, you need forward DNS resolution in this case too. (e.g. 
> hostname in URL -> IP address)
> 
> --
> Bazsi
> 
> 



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Security Issues in Network Event Logging Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: TLS Transport Mapping for SYSLOG
	Author(s)	: F. Miao, M. Yuzhi
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Hi,

A new revision of the syslog/TLS draft is available.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls-01
.txt

We need reviewers.
Can we get=20
1) a person to check the grammar?
2) a person to check the syslog technical parts?
3) a person to check compatibility with the other WG documents?
4) a person to check the TLS technical parts?

We also need general reviews of the document by multiple people.

Thanks,
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Hi David,

I volunteer to =20

> 1) a person to check the grammar?
> 2) a person to check the syslog technical parts?
> 3) a person to check compatibility with the other WG documents?
>=20
> We also need general reviews of the document by multiple people.
>=20

I can not do
> 4) a person to check the TLS technical parts?
because I am not knowledgable enough about TLS.

I am not sure if I can start this week, but I think I can finish a
review until around end of next week.

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Hello,

I am planning to update the draft of syslog sign shortly - by the end of
next week
(http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-syslog-sign-17.txt).
Please kindly provide comments for any items you would like to see
incorporated before I do so.  Among comments received so far, references
to base-64 will be replaced with base64 and a reference to it, striking
of reference 23 which is a duplicate to reference 22. =20

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Hi,

The definition of sender in syslog-tls-01 differs from that in
syslog-protocol.
In -protocol, the "sender" is the message generator.
In -tls, the sender is the message sender, whether that entity
generated the message or not, and "originator" is the generator of the
message.
The distinction is important for discussing transport isues common to
both senders and relays.

Can the WG please take a look at the differences in terminology, so we
can settle on terms that can be used consistently in all our
documents?

Thanks,
David Harrington
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In current security consideration of Syslog/TLS document, there are a
paragraph about the relationship between Syslog/TLS and Syslog-sign. The
problem is that Syslog/TLS may come first before Syslog-sign(this is open
for debate). So I am considering whether we shall drop it from Syslog/TLS.
If it is dropped I believe the same issue may be addressed in Syslog-sign. 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Clemm (alex) [mailto:alex@cisco.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:51 AM
> To: syslog@ietf.org
> Subject: [Syslog] Syslog sign
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am planning to update the draft of syslog sign shortly - by 
> the end of next week 
> (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-syslog-sign-17.txt).
> Please kindly provide comments for any items you would like 
> to see incorporated before I do so.  Among comments received 
> so far, references to base-64 will be replaced with base64 
> and a reference to it, striking of reference 23 which is a 
> duplicate to reference 22.  
> 
> Thank you & best regards
> --- Alex Clemm
> 
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Hi Miao,

We will submit syslog-transport-tls before syslog-sign is submitted to the 
IESG.  Please take references of syslog-sign out of syslog-transport-udp 
so that it is not held up in the RFC Editors queue.

Thanks,
Chris

On Fri, 19 May 2006, Miao Fuyou wrote:

>
> In current security consideration of Syslog/TLS document, there are a
> paragraph about the relationship between Syslog/TLS and Syslog-sign. The
> problem is that Syslog/TLS may come first before Syslog-sign(this is open
> for debate). So I am considering whether we shall drop it from Syslog/TLS.
> If it is dropped I believe the same issue may be addressed in Syslog-sign.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alexander Clemm (alex) [mailto:alex@cisco.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:51 AM
>> To: syslog@ietf.org
>> Subject: [Syslog] Syslog sign
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am planning to update the draft of syslog sign shortly - by
>> the end of next week
>> (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-syslog-sign-17.txt).
>> Please kindly provide comments for any items you would like
>> to see incorporated before I do so.  Among comments received
>> so far, references to base-64 will be replaced with base64
>> and a reference to it, striking of reference 23 which is a
>> duplicate to reference 22.
>>
>> Thank you & best regards
>> --- Alex Clemm
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Syslog@lists.ietf.org
>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/syslog
>>
>
>
>
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Sure, I will delete the reference to syslog-sign from Syslog/TLS.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Lonvick [mailto:clonvick@cisco.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 4:05 AM
> To: Miao Fuyou
> Cc: 'Alexander Clemm (alex)'; syslog@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Syslog] Syslog sign
> 
> Hi Miao,
> 
> We will submit syslog-transport-tls before syslog-sign is 
> submitted to the IESG.  Please take references of syslog-sign 
> out of syslog-transport-udp so that it is not held up in the 
> RFC Editors queue.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 
> On Fri, 19 May 2006, Miao Fuyou wrote:
> 
> >
> > In current security consideration of Syslog/TLS document, 
> there are a 
> > paragraph about the relationship between Syslog/TLS and 
> Syslog-sign. 
> > The problem is that Syslog/TLS may come first before 
> Syslog-sign(this 
> > is open for debate). So I am considering whether we shall 
> drop it from Syslog/TLS.
> > If it is dropped I believe the same issue may be addressed 
> in Syslog-sign.
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Alexander Clemm (alex) [mailto:alex@cisco.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:51 AM
> >> To: syslog@ietf.org
> >> Subject: [Syslog] Syslog sign
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I am planning to update the draft of syslog sign shortly - 
> by the end 
> >> of next week 
> >> 
> (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-syslog-sign-17.txt).
> >> Please kindly provide comments for any items you would like to see 
> >> incorporated before I do so.  Among comments received so far, 
> >> references to base-64 will be replaced with base64 and a 
> reference to 
> >> it, striking of reference 23 which is a duplicate to reference 22.
> >>
> >> Thank you & best regards
> >> --- Alex Clemm
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Syslog mailing list
> >> Syslog@lists.ietf.org
> >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/syslog
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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Hi,

I did a quick review.

1) There needs to be a note in the document to the RFC Editor, asking
the editor to replace the rfc xxxx with the actual RFC number before
publication, similar to
"NOTE to RFC editor: replace XXXX with actual RFC number for this
document and remove this note "

It is easiest for the rfc editor if you:
a) identify each usage that needs the change, or
b) use a consistent notation (you use rfc xxx in the Abstract and rfc
xxxx [24] elsewhere.I recommend changing the abstract usage to match.

Since every usage that need the change, except the abstract, has a
corresponding citation, I suggest putting the note directly under the
reference to the I-D, and identifying the search phrase to use.=20

--
2) you need to separate the references into Normative versus
Informational

--
3) I recommend using the "experimental" xml2rfc web service at
http://xml.resource.org/experimental.html which does some extra
formatting to satisfy specific style requirements of the rfc-editor.

--
4) I recommend running your XML through Bill Fenner's xml-validator at
http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/.
I think you have some invalid XML, even though xml2rfc accepts it.

At line 246 and 325 and 469 and 521 and 765 and 805 and 833 and 840
and 897, you have a list element not contained within a text element.

--
5) you need to run the text through the id-nits tool at
http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/idnits.pyht. Here are the results I
got:

(dbh: note that the tool complains about the RFC2119 citation; this is
a known problem - RFC2119 has a typo in the whitespace; if you cut and
paste the text from the warning, that might fix it.)

idnits 1.99=20

tmp/draft-ietf-syslog-sign-18.txt:

tmp/draft-ietf-syslog-sign-18.txt(439): Line is too long: the
offending characters are 'h'
tmp/draft-ietf-syslog-sign-18.txt(440): Line is too long: the
offending characters are 'y)'
tmp/draft-ietf-syslog-sign-18.txt(443): Line is too long: the
offending characters are 'y)'


  Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html:
  * The document seems to lack separate sections for
Informative/Normative
    References.
   =20
    Checking conformance with RFC 3978/3979 boilerplate...

    the boilerplate looks good.


  Checking nits according to
http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.txt:
    Nothing found here (but these checks do not cover all of
    1id-guidelines.txt yet).

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even
    if it appears to use RFC 2119 keywords.=20

    RFC 2119 paragraph 2 text:
    "The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL
NOT",
    "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in
this
    document are to be interpreted as described in  RFC 2119."


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6) The contact information in the "authors and working group chair"
section recognizes only Chris since he was chair during the work on
that document. I should probably be added in case the rfc-ditor needs
to contact me, such as for AUTH48.

My contact information is=20
David Harrington
ietfdbh@comcast.net
dharrington@huawei.com=20
Huawei Technologies (USA)
1700 Alma Drive, Suite 100
Plano, TX  75075
+1-603-436-8634

7) The authors' address information should be filled in more throughly
to improve the rfc-editor's chance of finding all of us for AUTH48,
and to imporve chances of readers with questions being able to reach
us.

Does J.Kelsey have an affiliation? If so, it should be reflected on
the first page.

8) Please add the following to the top of the "authors and working
group chair" section.

   "Comments are solicited and should be addressed to the working
   group's mailing list and/or the author(s)."


Thanks,
David Harrington
dharrington@huawei.com=20
dbharrington@comcast.net
ietfdbh@comcast.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Clemm (alex) [mailto:alex@cisco.com]=20
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:55 PM
> To: David Harrington
> Subject: FW: draft-ietf-syslog-sign-18.txt
>=20
>=20
> Hello David,
>=20
> sorry, I forgot to courtesy copy you but just realized my mistake.
>=20
> Best regards
> --- Alex
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Clemm (alex)=20
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:48 PM
> To: internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Cc: Chris Lonvick (clonvick); Jon Callas; Alexander Clemm (alex)
> Subject: RE: draft-ietf-syslog-sign-18.txt
>=20
> Hello,
>=20
> please find enclosed the submission draft-ietf-syslog-sign-18.txt
> (Signed syslog Messages), of the syslog Working Group, to=20
> replace draft
> 17. =20
>=20
> I am also enclosing the XML file that was used to generate=20
> the .txt file
> using the tool provided on http://xml.resource.org/. =20
>=20
> Please let me know if there are any questions. =20
>=20
> Thank you, and kind regards
> --- Alexander Clemm
>=20
>=20


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