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Passwords for tools-discuss-archive@ietf.org: List Password // URL ---- -------- tools-discuss@ietf.org teevas https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/options/tools-discuss/tools-discuss-archive%40ietf.org From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 1 18:58:56 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA13033; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZeSX-000169-Dt; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 19:04:34 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZe9i-0001bF-1t; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:45:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZayY-00034i-0g for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:21:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20427 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:21:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200412012021.PAA20427@ietf.org> Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] ident=mailnull) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZb3v-0002qj-21; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:26:56 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=psg.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CZayV-000057-Ej; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:21:19 +0000 To: Albert Vezza Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts In-Reply-To: Message from Albert Vezza of "Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:36:39 EST." Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:21:18 -0800 From: Allison Mankin X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:45:01 -0500 Cc: bfuller@foretec.com, rbunch@foretec.com, Tools Team Discussion , dinaras@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, Scott Blomquist X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Hi, Al, I've just seen a submission where the form-feeds (if that's what we all call them) had been stripped out, so it's not nailed yet. I'm pretty sure the rest of the i-d was ok beyond those characters, though I didn't do the most complete exam on it. It was the submission of draft-ietf-nsis-signaling-analysis-05.txt by Jukka Manner today (20041201). Subject: Submission of a final version of an I-D Allison > > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:36:39 EST > To: IESG , WG Chairs , > Tools Team Discussion > cc: dinaras@foretec.com, rbunch@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, > Scott Blomquist , bfuller@foretec.com > From: Albert Vezza > Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts > > After more testing we determined that a filter could be placed to > intercept email sent to internet-drafts@ietf.org and > proceedings@ietf.org and ensure email containing attachments sent to > those addresses had a "Content-disposition: attachment" as part of > the file header. > > A preliminary filter changing "Content-disposition: inline" to > "Content-disposition: attachment" was placed in service on 11/18/04. > We will soon have a more comprehensive filter in place that will > also handle email from older composers that do not specify a > "Content-disposition:". I will send an update when that filter is in > place. > > We belive that this will take care of all three problems that have > been observed: concatenated files, extra linefeeds in IDs, and > missing form-feed. If such problems are found in the future please > let us know so we can track down the problem. > > Al > -- > Albert Vezza > President > Foretec Seminars, Inc > 1895 Preston White Drive > Suite 100 > Reston, VA 20191-5434 > > Internet mail: avezza@foretec.com > Tel: (703) 620-9053 > Fax: (703) 620-9071 > > Natick, MA Office > Tel: (508) 650 4020 > Fax: (508) 650 4639 > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 2 17:30:31 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA07522; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZzYj-0000vO-TS; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:36:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZuzU-0007k9-VN; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:43:41 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZsmf-0002HD-Tv for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:22:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28059; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from colossus.foretec.com ([132.151.1.197] helo=foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZssD-0005zA-HD; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:28:01 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1CZsmd-0004ka-00; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:22:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:21:46 -0500 To: Allison Mankin From: Albert Vezza Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c3a18ef96977fc9bcc21a621cbf1174b Cc: bfuller@foretec.com, rbunch@foretec.com, Tools Team Discussion , dinaras@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, Scott Blomquist X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Allison, Ok we will look at this to see exactly what went on. These problems are the result of boundary crossing between Linux and Windows. It looked like the filter would solve the problem but it may be slightly deeper. We will keep looking. Al At 12:21 -0800 12/1/04, Allison Mankin wrote: >Hi, Al, > >I've just seen a submission where the form-feeds (if that's what >we all call them) had been stripped out, so it's not nailed yet. >I'm pretty sure the rest of the i-d was ok beyond those characters, >though I didn't do the most complete exam on it. > >It was the submission of draft-ietf-nsis-signaling-analysis-05.txt >by Jukka Manner today (20041201). > >Subject: Submission of a final version of an I-D > >Allison > >> >> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:36:39 EST >> To: IESG , WG Chairs , >> Tools Team Discussion >> cc: dinaras@foretec.com, rbunch@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, >> Scott Blomquist , bfuller@foretec.com >> From: Albert Vezza >> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts >> >> After more testing we determined that a filter could be placed to >> intercept email sent to internet-drafts@ietf.org and >> proceedings@ietf.org and ensure email containing attachments sent to >> those addresses had a "Content-disposition: attachment" as part of >> the file header. >> >> A preliminary filter changing "Content-disposition: inline" to >> "Content-disposition: attachment" was placed in service on 11/18/04. >> We will soon have a more comprehensive filter in place that will >> also handle email from older composers that do not specify a >> "Content-disposition:". I will send an update when that filter is in >> place. >> >> We belive that this will take care of all three problems that have >> been observed: concatenated files, extra linefeeds in IDs, and >> missing form-feed. If such problems are found in the future please >> let us know so we can track down the problem. >> >> Al >> -- >> Albert Vezza >> President >> Foretec Seminars, Inc >> 1895 Preston White Drive >> Suite 100 >> Reston, VA 20191-5434 >> >> Internet mail: avezza@foretec.com >> Tel: (703) 620-9053 >> Fax: (703) 620-9071 >> >> Natick, MA Office >> Tel: (508) 650 4020 >> Fax: (508) 650 4639 >> -- Albert Vezza President Foretec Seminars, Inc 1895 Preston White Drive Suite 100 Reston, VA 20191-5434 Internet mail: avezza@foretec.com Tel: (703) 620-9053 Fax: (703) 620-9071 Natick, MA Office Tel: (508) 650 4020 Fax: (508) 650 4639 _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 2 17:59:49 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10420; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca015-0001io-8d; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:05:40 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZv1a-0000lm-E6; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:45:50 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZtMc-0000QD-GG for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:59:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02471 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:59:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200412021559.KAA02471@ietf.org> Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] ident=mailnull) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZtSA-0007Kq-0h; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:05:11 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=psg.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CZtMZ-0003P8-W6; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:59:23 +0000 To: Rebecca Bunch Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts In-Reply-To: Message from Rebecca Bunch of "Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:26:27 EST." <41AF3423.6070104@foretec.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 07:59:23 -0800 From: Allison Mankin X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Cc: bfuller@foretec.com, Tools Team Discussion , dinaras@foretec.com, Albert Vezza , Scott Blomquist , mlee@foretec.com X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 386e0819b1192672467565a524848168 Rebecca, Losing the control-L's isn't earth-shattering, but since you guys are trying to get all the formats sorted out... Thanks so much for the corrections! Allison > > I believe I know what the problem is and it was my fault not the filters > or filtering process. I've already fixed what I was doing and corrected > all of the drafts that were done incorrectly yesterday. > > Albert Vezza wrote: > > > Allison, > > > > Ok we will look at this to see exactly what went on. These problems > > are the result of boundary crossing between Linux and Windows. It > > looked like the filter would solve the problem but it may be slightly > > deeper. We will keep looking. > > > > Al > > > > > > At 12:21 -0800 12/1/04, Allison Mankin wrote: > > > >> Hi, Al, > >> > >> I've just seen a submission where the form-feeds (if that's what > >> we all call them) had been stripped out, so it's not nailed yet. > >> I'm pretty sure the rest of the i-d was ok beyond those characters, > >> though I didn't do the most complete exam on it. > >> > >> It was the submission of draft-ietf-nsis-signaling-analysis-05.txt > >> by Jukka Manner today (20041201). > >> Subject: Submission of a final version of an I-D > >> > >> Allison > >> > >>> > >>> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:36:39 EST > >>> To: IESG , WG Chairs , > >>> Tools Team Discussion > >>> cc: dinaras@foretec.com, rbunch@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, > >>> Scott Blomquist , bfuller@foretec.com > >>> From: Albert Vezza > >>> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts > >>> > >>> After more testing we determined that a filter could be placed to > >>> intercept email sent to internet-drafts@ietf.org and > >>> proceedings@ietf.org and ensure email containing attachments sent to > >>> those addresses had a "Content-disposition: attachment" as part of > >>> the file header. > >>> > >>> A preliminary filter changing "Content-disposition: inline" to > >>> "Content-disposition: attachment" was placed in service on 11/18/04. > >>> We will soon have a more comprehensive filter in place that will > >>> also handle email from older composers that do not specify a > >>> "Content-disposition:". I will send an update when that filter is in > >>> place. > >>> > >>> We belive that this will take care of all three problems that have > >>> been observed: concatenated files, extra linefeeds in IDs, and > >>> missing form-feed. If such problems are found in the future please > >>> let us know so we can track down the problem. > >>> > >>> Al > >>> -- > >>> Albert Vezza > >>> President > >>> Foretec Seminars, Inc > >>> 1895 Preston White Drive > >>> Suite 100 > >>> Reston, VA 20191-5434 > >>> > >>> Internet mail: avezza@foretec.com > >>> Tel: (703) 620-9053 > >>> Fax: (703) 620-9071 > >>> > >>> Natick, MA Office > >>> Tel: (508) 650 4020 > >>> Fax: (508) 650 4639 > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 2 18:13:16 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA12155; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca0E7-00022a-G5; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:19:07 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZyye-0001w9-ES; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:59:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZyPf-00033f-P5; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:22:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00595; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:22:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from colossus.foretec.com ([132.151.1.197] helo=foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZyVG-0007WQ-TE; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:28:43 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1CZyPe-00068C-00; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:22:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041122183830.02bac430@colossus.foretec.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041122183830.02bac430@colossus.foretec.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:22:41 -0500 To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ From: Albert Vezza Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3d7f2f6612d734db849efa86ea692407 Cc: bfuller@foretec.com, WG Chairs , IESG , Tools Team Discussion , rbunch@foretec.com, dinaras@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, Scott Blomquist X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd3fc8e909678b38737fc606dec187f0 Hi Jordi, I am not on any of the mailing lists that you sent your email to, so Barbara forwarded me your email. Anyway I talked to the technical folks and I have concluded that it is just too risky to accept zip and tar files, because one virus that might get through the virus filters could disrupt operations. If that disruption came at a busy time such as just before a meeting there would be a great many people unhappy. Sorry but we need to be careful about such things. Al >Hi Al: > >Here is a response to your message that I don't believe was sent to you. > >B. >------------------------------------------------------ >>Envelope-to: bfuller@foretec.com >>User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 >>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:12:12 +0100 >>Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts >>From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ >>To: IESG , WG Chairs , >> Tools Team Discussion >>X-MDRemoteIP: 217.126.187.160 >>X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es >>X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on mail.consulintel.es >>X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no >> version=2.64 >>X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:19:44 +0100 >>X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:19:44 +0100 >>X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) >>X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 >>Cc: dinaras@foretec.com, rbunch@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, >> Scott Blomquist , bfuller@foretec.com >>X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org >>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >>Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es >>List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion >>List-Unsubscribe: , >> >>List-Archive: >>List-Post: >>List-Help: >>List-Subscribe: , >> >>Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org >>X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) >>X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 >> >>Hi Albert, all, >> >>As someone already indicated, it will be helpful anyway to allow sending zip >>and tar files. >> >>Some corporate email servers compress all the attachments, and actually is >>not so easy for some to tell their IT services not to compress attachments >>sent to IETF ;-) >> >>On the other way around, this doesn't harm to the process, right ? >> >>Regards, >>Jordi >> >> >>> De: Albert Vezza >>> Responder a: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org >>> Fecha: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:36:39 -0500 >>> Para: IESG , WG Chairs , Tools Team >>> Discussion >>> CC: dinaras@foretec.com, rbunch@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, >>>Scott Blomquist >>> , bfuller@foretec.com >>> Asunto: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts >>> >>> After more testing we determined that a filter could be placed to >>> intercept email sent to internet-drafts@ietf.org and >>> proceedings@ietf.org and ensure email containing attachments sent to >>> those addresses had a "Content-disposition: attachment" as part of >>> the file header. >>> >>> A preliminary filter changing "Content-disposition: inline" to >>> "Content-disposition: attachment" was placed in service on 11/18/04. >>> We will soon have a more comprehensive filter in place that will >>> also handle email from older composers that do not specify a >>> "Content-disposition:". I will send an update when that filter is in >>> place. >>> >>> We belive that this will take care of all three problems that have >> > been observed: concatenated files, extra linefeeds in IDs, and >>> missing form-feed. If such problems are found in the future please >>> let us know so we can track down the problem. >>> >>> Al >>> -- >>> Albert Vezza >>> President >>> Foretec Seminars, Inc >>> 1895 Preston White Drive >>> Suite 100 >>> Reston, VA 20191-5434 >>> >>> Internet mail: avezza@foretec.com >>> Tel: (703) 620-9053 >>> Fax: (703) 620-9071 >>> >>> Natick, MA Office >>> Tel: (508) 650 4020 >>> Fax: (508) 650 4639 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> >> >> >> >>********************************** >>Madrid 2003 Global IPv6 Summit >>Presentations and videos on line at: >>http://www.ipv6-es.com >> >>This electronic message contains information which may be >>privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for >>the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the >>intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, >>distribution or use of the contents of this information, including >>attached files, is prohibited. >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Tools-discuss mailing list >>Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >------------------------------------------------ >Barbara B. Fuller >Acting Executive Director >Internet Engineering Task Force > >Natick, Massachusetts Office: > >Phone: +1-508-650-4020 >Fax: +1-508-650-4639 > >Reston, Virginia Office: > >Phone: +1-703-620-9053 >Fax: +1-703-620-9071 _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 3 05:22:37 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA19137; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 05:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaAfx-0007t0-FV; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 05:28:33 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ca8uE-0000vX-92; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:35:13 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CZsqt-0003cg-3a for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:26:39 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28672 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.cnri.reston.va.us ([132.151.1.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CZswR-00069z-3G; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:32:23 -0500 Received: from rbunch.cnri.reston.va.us ([132.151.2.53] helo=[10.27.5.109]) by ns.cnri.reston.va.us with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1CZsqr-0007cE-7c; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:26:37 -0500 Message-ID: <41AF3423.6070104@foretec.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:26:27 -0500 From: Rebecca Bunch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Albert Vezza Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0fa76816851382eb71b0a882ccdc29ac Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:35:05 -0500 Cc: bfuller@foretec.com, Tools Team Discussion , Allison Mankin , dinaras@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, Scott Blomquist X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe I know what the problem is and it was my fault not the filters or filtering process. I've already fixed what I was doing and corrected all of the drafts that were done incorrectly yesterday. Albert Vezza wrote: > Allison, > > Ok we will look at this to see exactly what went on. These problems > are the result of boundary crossing between Linux and Windows. It > looked like the filter would solve the problem but it may be slightly > deeper. We will keep looking. > > Al > > > At 12:21 -0800 12/1/04, Allison Mankin wrote: > >> Hi, Al, >> >> I've just seen a submission where the form-feeds (if that's what >> we all call them) had been stripped out, so it's not nailed yet. >> I'm pretty sure the rest of the i-d was ok beyond those characters, >> though I didn't do the most complete exam on it. >> >> It was the submission of draft-ietf-nsis-signaling-analysis-05.txt >> by Jukka Manner today (20041201). >> Subject: Submission of a final version of an I-D >> >> Allison >> >>> >>> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:36:39 EST >>> To: IESG , WG Chairs , >>> Tools Team Discussion >>> cc: dinaras@foretec.com, rbunch@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, >>> Scott Blomquist , bfuller@foretec.com >>> From: Albert Vezza >>> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts >>> >>> After more testing we determined that a filter could be placed to >>> intercept email sent to internet-drafts@ietf.org and >>> proceedings@ietf.org and ensure email containing attachments sent to >>> those addresses had a "Content-disposition: attachment" as part of >>> the file header. >>> >>> A preliminary filter changing "Content-disposition: inline" to >>> "Content-disposition: attachment" was placed in service on 11/18/04. >>> We will soon have a more comprehensive filter in place that will >>> also handle email from older composers that do not specify a >>> "Content-disposition:". I will send an update when that filter is in >>> place. >>> >>> We belive that this will take care of all three problems that have >>> been observed: concatenated files, extra linefeeds in IDs, and >>> missing form-feed. If such problems are found in the future please >>> let us know so we can track down the problem. >>> >>> Al >>> -- >>> Albert Vezza >>> President >>> Foretec Seminars, Inc >>> 1895 Preston White Drive >>> Suite 100 >>> Reston, VA 20191-5434 >>> >>> Internet mail: avezza@foretec.com >>> Tel: (703) 620-9053 >>> Fax: (703) 620-9071 >>> >>> Natick, MA Office >>> Tel: (508) 650 4020 >>> Fax: (508) 650 4639 >>> > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 3 05:23:39 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA19204; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 05:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaAgw-0007uW-B8; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 05:29:35 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ca8uI-0000vu-O2; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:35:14 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ca0Lv-0003JI-GT; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:27:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA14092; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from magus.nostrum.com ([69.5.195.2] ident=root) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca0RX-0002Nu-1v; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:32:59 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.108] (adsl-209-30-33-13.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [209.30.33.13]) (authenticated bits=0) by magus.nostrum.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB2NQlCG085034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:26:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <41AFA4B1.6010601@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:26:41 -0600 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Albert Vezza Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041122183830.02bac430@colossus.foretec.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 202a3ece0492a8c7e7c8672d5214398f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:35:07 -0500 Cc: bfuller@foretec.com, WG Chairs , Tools Team Discussion , rbunch@foretec.com, dinaras@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, Scott Blomquist , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2bf730a014b318fd3efd65b39b48818c Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I apologize if I'm repeating suggestions, but I don't see it brought up on this thread yet: it seems that one mechanism that we could employ to avoid this kind of mangling is allowing the submission of RFC2629-formatted IDs in source form. By allowing the actual drafts to be generated on the IETF side of things, there isn't any transport in the way to mangle the final output. /a Albert Vezza wrote: > Hi Jordi, > > I am not on any of the mailing lists that you sent your email to, so > Barbara forwarded me your email. Anyway I talked to the technical > folks and I have concluded that it is just too risky to accept zip and > tar files, because one virus that might get through the virus filters > could disrupt operations. If that disruption came at a busy time such > as just before a meeting there would be a great many people unhappy. > > Sorry but we need to be careful about such things. > > Al > > >> Hi Al: >> >> Here is a response to your message that I don't believe was sent to you. >> >> B. >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> Envelope-to: bfuller@foretec.com >>> User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 >>> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:12:12 +0100 >>> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts >>> From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ >>> To: IESG , WG Chairs , >>> Tools Team Discussion >>> X-MDRemoteIP: 217.126.187.160 >>> X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es >>> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on >>> mail.consulintel.es >>> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no >>> version=2.64 >>> X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:19:44 +0100 >>> X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:19:44 +0100 >>> X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) >>> X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 >>> Cc: dinaras@foretec.com, rbunch@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, >>> Scott Blomquist , bfuller@foretec.com >>> X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >>> Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es >>> List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion >>> List-Unsubscribe: >>> , >>> >>> List-Archive: >>> List-Post: >>> List-Help: >>> List-Subscribe: , >>> >>> Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org >>> X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) >>> X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 >>> >>> Hi Albert, all, >>> >>> As someone already indicated, it will be helpful anyway to allow >>> sending zip >>> and tar files. >>> >>> Some corporate email servers compress all the attachments, and >>> actually is >>> not so easy for some to tell their IT services not to compress >>> attachments >>> sent to IETF ;-) >>> >>> On the other way around, this doesn't harm to the process, right ? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Jordi >>> >>> >>>> De: Albert Vezza >>>> Responder a: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org >>>> Fecha: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:36:39 -0500 >>>> Para: IESG , WG Chairs , Tools Team >>>> Discussion >>>> CC: dinaras@foretec.com, rbunch@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, >>>> Scott Blomquist >>>> , bfuller@foretec.com >>>> Asunto: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts >>>> >>>> After more testing we determined that a filter could be placed to >>>> intercept email sent to internet-drafts@ietf.org and >>>> proceedings@ietf.org and ensure email containing attachments sent to >>>> those addresses had a "Content-disposition: attachment" as part of >>>> the file header. >>>> >>>> A preliminary filter changing "Content-disposition: inline" to >>>> "Content-disposition: attachment" was placed in service on 11/18/04. >>>> We will soon have a more comprehensive filter in place that will >>>> also handle email from older composers that do not specify a >>>> "Content-disposition:". I will send an update when that filter is in >>>> place. >>>> >>>> We belive that this will take care of all three problems that have >>> >>> > been observed: concatenated files, extra linefeeds in IDs, and >>> >>>> missing form-feed. If such problems are found in the future please >>>> let us know so we can track down the problem. >>>> >>>> Al >>>> -- >>>> Albert Vezza >>>> President >>>> Foretec Seminars, Inc >>>> 1895 Preston White Drive >>>> Suite 100 >>>> Reston, VA 20191-5434 >>>> >>>> Internet mail: avezza@foretec.com >>>> Tel: (703) 620-9053 >>>> Fax: (703) 620-9071 >>>> >>>> Natick, MA Office >>>> Tel: (508) 650 4020 >>>> Fax: (508) 650 4639 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ********************************** >>> Madrid 2003 Global IPv6 Summit >>> Presentations and videos on line at: >>> http://www.ipv6-es.com >>> >>> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged >>> or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of >>> the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient >>> be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the >>> contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> ------------------------------------------------ >> Barbara B. Fuller >> Acting Executive Director >> Internet Engineering Task Force >> >> Natick, Massachusetts Office: >> >> Phone: +1-508-650-4020 >> Fax: +1-508-650-4639 >> >> Reston, Virginia Office: >> >> Phone: +1-703-620-9053 >> Fax: +1-703-620-9071 > > > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 3 08:12:58 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA01748; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 08:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaDKp-0002qS-E0; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 08:18:56 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CaAdF-0005G7-Pj; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 05:25:46 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ca910-0001TT-RD; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:42:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA12369; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 03:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.consulintel.es ([213.172.48.142] helo=consulintel.es) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Ca96h-0005tt-Cm; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:48:04 -0500 Received: from [10.10.10.101] ([217.126.187.160]) by consulintel.es (consulintel.es [127.0.0.1]) (MDaemon.PRO.v7.2.1.R) with ESMTP id md50000629699.msg; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:47:13 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:40:51 +0100 Subject: Re:[Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MDRemoteIP: 217.126.187.160 X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on mail.consulintel.es X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:47:32 +0100 X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:47:33 +0100 X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Scan-Signature: e367d58950869b6582535ddf5a673488 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bfuller@foretec.com, WG Chairs , IESG , Tools Team Discussion , rbunch@foretec.com, dinaras@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, Scott Blomquist X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Scan-Signature: bcd240e64c427d3d3617cfc704e7fd7f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Albert, Sorry, copied this time ;-) I don't agree actually with your view. Let me explain. A zip, sit, tar or other compressed formats, are never executable files. You only can uncompress the file, and then if it contains an exe (for example) and you actually execute it, then you may start a virus. At the end the problem becomes a "user" problem, depending on how the user do the things and has his operating system configured. Moreover, today all the antivirus are also able to scan compressed files, so even in the situation of getting one, it will be detected before is uncompressed by the user. What you're telling me about a possible disruption could also be created even by a virus or DoS attack introduced in the system in some other way. For example the same user that has a miss configured OS uncompress and executes an attachment received not as an Internet Draft submission, but just as a regular email from a friend (or pretending to be a friend). What I mean is that the security level depends on a proper configuration and usage of the systems, not on rejecting what is useful for the IETFers AND can be detected even in the case of a malicious attachment. It may be even easier to attach the system, depending on the mail client and the OS that you're using, which an email pretending to be html and actually being executed automatically. Again, is a question of user attitude and OS configuration. So, unless you provide me a better rationale (which I'm not able to imagine right now), my opinion is that this one is a very poor one to be sufficient to not accept compressed files ;-) Regards, Jordi >> De: Albert Vezza >> Responder a: >> Fecha: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:22:41 -0500 >> Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ >> CC: IESG , WG Chairs , Tools Team >> Discussion >> , , , >> , Scott Blomquist , >> >> Asunto: Re: Fwd: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts >> >> Hi Jordi, >> >> I am not on any of the mailing lists that you sent your email to, so >> Barbara forwarded me your email. Anyway I talked to the technical >> folks and I have concluded that it is just too risky to accept zip >> and tar files, because one virus that might get through the virus >> filters could disrupt operations. If that disruption came at a busy >> time such as just before a meeting there would be a great many people >> unhappy. >> >> Sorry but we need to be careful about such things. >> >> Al >> >> >>> Hi Al: >>> >>> Here is a response to your message that I don't believe was sent to you. >>> >>> B. >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Envelope-to: bfuller@foretec.com >>>> User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 >>>> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:12:12 +0100 >>>> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts >>>> From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ >>>> To: IESG , WG Chairs , >>>> Tools Team Discussion >>>> X-MDRemoteIP: 217.126.187.160 >>>> X-Return-Path: jordi.palet@consulintel.es >>>> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on >>>> mail.consulintel.es >>>> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no >>>> version=2.64 >>>> X-Spam-Processed: consulintel.es, Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:19:44 +0100 >>>> X-MDAV-Processed: consulintel.es, Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:19:44 +0100 >>>> X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) >>>> X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 >>>> Cc: dinaras@foretec.com, rbunch@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, >>>> Scott Blomquist , bfuller@foretec.com >>>> X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >>>> Reply-To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es >>>> List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion >>>> List-Unsubscribe: , >>>> >>>> List-Archive: >>>> List-Post: >>>> List-Help: >>>> List-Subscribe: , >>>> >>>> Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org >>>> X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) >>>> X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 >>>> >>>> Hi Albert, all, >>>> >>>> As someone already indicated, it will be helpful anyway to allow sending >>>> zip >>>> and tar files. >>>> >>>> Some corporate email servers compress all the attachments, and actually is >>>> not so easy for some to tell their IT services not to compress attachments >>>> sent to IETF ;-) >>>> >>>> On the other way around, this doesn't harm to the process, right ? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Jordi >>>> >>>> >>>>> De: Albert Vezza >>>>> Responder a: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org >>>>> Fecha: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:36:39 -0500 >>>>> Para: IESG , WG Chairs , Tools Team >>>>> Discussion >>>>> CC: dinaras@foretec.com, rbunch@foretec.com, mlee@foretec.com, >>>>> Scott Blomquist >>>>> , bfuller@foretec.com >>>>> Asunto: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts >>>>> >>>>> After more testing we determined that a filter could be placed to >>>>> intercept email sent to internet-drafts@ietf.org and >>>>> proceedings@ietf.org and ensure email containing attachments sent to >>>>> those addresses had a "Content-disposition: attachment" as part of >>>>> the file header. >>>>> >>>>> A preliminary filter changing "Content-disposition: inline" to >>>>> "Content-disposition: attachment" was placed in service on 11/18/04. >>>>> We will soon have a more comprehensive filter in place that will >>>>> also handle email from older composers that do not specify a >>>>> "Content-disposition:". I will send an update when that filter is in >>>>> place. >>>>> >>>>> We belive that this will take care of all three problems that have >>>>> been observed: concatenated files, extra linefeeds in IDs, and >>>>> missing form-feed. If such problems are found in the future please >>>>> let us know so we can track down the problem. >>>>> >>>>> Al >>>>> -- >>>>> Albert Vezza >>>>> President >>>>> Foretec Seminars, Inc >>>>> 1895 Preston White Drive >>>>> Suite 100 >>>>> Reston, VA 20191-5434 >>>>> >>>>> Internet mail: avezza@foretec.com >>>>> Tel: (703) 620-9053 >>>>> Fax: (703) 620-9071 >>>>> >>>>> Natick, MA Office >>>>> Tel: (508) 650 4020 >>>>> Fax: (508) 650 4639 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>>>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ********************************** >>>> Madrid 2003 Global IPv6 Summit >>>> Presentations and videos on line at: >>>> http://www.ipv6-es.com >>>> >>>> This electronic message contains information which may be >>>> privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for >>>> the use of the individual(s) named above. 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If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 3 15:36:59 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA04094; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaKGa-00043v-OV; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 15:43:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CaK1y-0007Ll-Gs; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 15:27:54 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1CaJrc-0005gt-1z; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 15:17:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA01961; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from measurement-factory.com ([206.168.0.5]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CaJxO-0003Ls-Dw; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 15:23:11 -0500 Received: from pail.measurement-factory.com (nat.measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.3]) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB3KH5J2098694; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) To: "Adam Roach" , "Albert Vezza" Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mangled Internet-Drafts References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041122183830.02bac430@colossus.foretec.com> <41AFA4B1.6010601@nostrum.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:17:04 -0700 From: "Alex Rousskov" Organization: The Measurement Factory Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <41AFA4B1.6010601@nostrum.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (FreeBSD, build 751) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: WG Chairs , Tools Team Discussion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 2004/12/02 (MST), wrote: > I apologize if I'm repeating suggestions, but I don't see it brought up > on this thread yet: it seems that one mechanism that we could employ to > avoid this kind of mangling is allowing the submission of > RFC2629-formatted IDs in source form. By allowing the actual drafts to > be generated on the IETF side of things, there isn't any transport in > the way to mangle the final output. I suspect that if plain text sources can be damaged during shipping and handling, then raw XML draft sources can be damaged as well. However, submition of XML sources and generation of other formats based on those sources will be supported by the ID Submission Toolset. Thank you, Alex. _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss