From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 07 15:05:43 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ek5Xr-0002db-DW; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:05:43 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EjpNd-0008FK-2p for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:50:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA25119 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 21:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from stewe.org ([85.214.23.117] helo=h665227.serverkompetenz.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjpjE-0003s9-32 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:12:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 26628 invoked by uid 60000); 7 Dec 2005 02:48:10 -0000 Received: from 81.197.199.169 by h665227 (envelope-from , uid 60004) with qmail-scanner-1.24st visas (spamassassin: 2.64. 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Processed in 0.829094 secs); 07 Dec 2005 02:48:10 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=20.0 X-Envelope-From: stewe@stewe.org Received: from a81-197-199-169.elisa-laajakaista.fi (HELO gurke) (stewe@stewe.org@81.197.199.169) by stewe.org with SMTP; 7 Dec 2005 02:48:09 -0000 From: "Stephan Wenger" To: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:49:44 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c5fad8$e20d9cb0$1a01a8c0@gurke> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on h665227.serverkompetenz.net X-Qmail-Scanner-MOVED-X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=20.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:05:43 -0500 Subject: [Tools-discuss] New ITU-T document access tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Folks, I usually don't read or post to this list. Please bear with me if this = is old news.=20 The "bellheads" of the ITU-T have put together a pretty decent looking document access mechanism that covers all their Study Group level = documents (they also have lower level "Rapporteur's meeting" documents, which are = not yet accessible through the system). It's implemented in ASP :-( and structured around meetings, so it's likely not directly applicable for = us. "Decent looking" is also a matter of personal taste. However, I think = it's a great tool for them, and some of the ideas would be quite helpful at = least for me, if implemented in the IETF as well. Check it out: http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/meetingdocs/index.asp Some of the concepts I like and haven't seen in the IETF are - a very compact representation of the key properties of each file, e.g. date, authors, title, and group to which this document belongs. - All working documents (corresponding to I-Ds and WG administrative documents, i.e. charters, reports, ...) available from one site. In the IETF case, where we don't charge for the RFCs we produce, they could be integrated as well - means to "shop" for documents, select them, and have the whole = selection as a zip file shipped to you by email. For our small docs, a tarball = would do as well - autoconverters to PDF etc. For them perhaps more important than for = us, as they need to worry about all those different software versions. This is not a "demand for implementation" or something, it's just a = pointer to something useful. Regards, Stephan _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 07 16:48:41 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ek79V-0000pS-HD; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:48:41 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ek79S-0000nL-0D for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:48:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA05495 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.186]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek7VC-00022e-VQ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:11:08 -0500 Received: by av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 95E9737EA1; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:48:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D26237E4D; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:48:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1FD37E46; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:48:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Ek79F-0000dW-Bm; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:48:25 +0100 Message-ID: <439758A9.7060202@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:48:25 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephan Wenger Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New ITU-T document access tool References: <000001c5fad8$e20d9cb0$1a01a8c0@gurke> In-Reply-To: <000001c5fad8$e20d9cb0$1a01a8c0@gurke> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Stephan, Some nice ideas here. Adding Authors and also an Abstract to the WG pages (under http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ ) is something which has crossed my mind, but is waiting for time. Auto-conversion of txt documents to html and PDF is already in place, but not fully integrated into the WG pages yet - I'm working on that. Tarballing is also something which would be nice, although I'm not sure how important that would be in practice. I checked if Apache had a capability like that built-in a few months ago, but when I didn't find anything, I left it. Converting all the WG pages to static pages, so they could be rsynced has been on my mind for a while, though. Of the features available through the ITU-T document access tool, what are the 2 most valuable which are not currently available through the WG pages, to your thinking? Henrik on 2005-12-07 03:49 Stephan Wenger said the following: > Folks, > > I usually don't read or post to this list. Please bear with me if this is > old news. > > The "bellheads" of the ITU-T have put together a pretty decent looking > document access mechanism that covers all their Study Group level documents > (they also have lower level "Rapporteur's meeting" documents, which are not > yet accessible through the system). It's implemented in ASP :-( and > structured around meetings, so it's likely not directly applicable for us. > "Decent looking" is also a matter of personal taste. However, I think it's > a great tool for them, and some of the ideas would be quite helpful at least > for me, if implemented in the IETF as well. Check it out: > http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/meetingdocs/index.asp > > Some of the concepts I like and haven't seen in the IETF are > - a very compact representation of the key properties of each file, e.g. > date, authors, title, and group to which this document belongs. > - All working documents (corresponding to I-Ds and WG administrative > documents, i.e. charters, reports, ...) available from one site. In the > IETF case, where we don't charge for the RFCs we produce, they could be > integrated as well > - means to "shop" for documents, select them, and have the whole selection > as a zip file shipped to you by email. For our small docs, a tarball would > do as well > - autoconverters to PDF etc. For them perhaps more important than for us, > as they need to worry about all those different software versions. > > This is not a "demand for implementation" or something, it's just a pointer > to something useful. > > Regards, > Stephan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 07 17:47:43 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ek84d-0008PF-PX; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:47:43 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ek84b-0008OA-TX for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:47:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12585 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from m1.informatik.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.201.18] helo=informatik.uni-bremen.de ident=root) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek8QN-0004EO-0f for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:10:12 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (m2.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9:209:3dff:fe00:343a]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.13.4/8.13.2) with ESMTP id jB7MlWMo002015; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:47:32 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2ED5E58B-1D10-47EC-AB11-7DA24F9A1136@tzi.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Carsten Bormann Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:47:32 +0100 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Carsten Bormann , Lisa Dusseault Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: OT but nice productivity hack: Yubnub to find RFCs, I-Ds and WGs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Another thing the tools group (which is probably almost a subset of wgchairs@ietf.org, though) might want to look at, whether by installing additional words into the common yubnub or maybe even by running a special ietf yubnub. Gruesse, Carsten Begin forwarded message: > From: Lisa Dusseault > Date: December 07 2005 23:10:17 Uhr GMT+01:00 > To: IMAP Extensions WG , IETF-iCalendar calsify@osafoundation.org>, WG Chairs , WebDAV > WG > Subject: OT but nice productivity hack: Yubnub to find RFCs, I-Ds > and WGs > > > A co-worker (Jared Rhine) pointed me to Yubnub.org a while back. I > have grown addicted to it as a Internet command-line to jump > straight to what I want. E.g. I use a command like "thes addicted" > to quickly find thesaurus matches: absorbed, accustomed, > attached... :) > > There was one IETF-related yubnub command already and I added two > more very simple ones. > > To jump to an RFC: rfc xxxx > e.g. 'rfc 2822' (don't forget space) > > Internet-Draft Database Search: (shows list with filename substring > match): ids keyword > e.g. 'ids dusseault' to find draft-dusseault-caldav-08, but not > draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis because 'dusseault' isn't in the title > of that one > > To jump to a WG charter: wg wgname > e.g. 'wg imapext' > > Not only do I get to avoid the thesaurus.com web form to find > thesaurus matches, I also avoid the Yubnub Web form because I've > set up Firefox so that I can type a Yubnub command line right into > the address bar. Other possibilities include using the search > engine field or a console app describe_installation>. > > Fun, fun. Hope it's useful to you too. Let me know if you create > other IETF-related command lines. I'll blog about it or something > so as not to spam people again. > > Lisa > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 08 12:43:31 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkPnn-0006Pa-TB; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:43:31 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkPnm-0006N7-3S for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:43:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA15710 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkPnm-0001Zf-I5 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:43:31 -0500 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkPlZ-0003z9-EF for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:41:13 +0100 Received: from 1cust143.tnt1.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net ([149.225.10.143]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:41:13 +0100 Received: from nobody by 1cust143.tnt1.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:41:13 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:27:35 +0100 Organization: Lines: 25 Message-ID: <43986D07.108F@xyzzy.claranet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust143.tnt1.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org/id issue (?) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, trying http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-stumpf-dns-mtamark I get http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-stumpf-dns-mtamark with an option to look at: ______ http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-stumpf-dns-mtamark-02.txt-26 What I really wanted was the last available txt or rfcmarkup of That gets me a 404 (expired October 31), -05 is the tombstone. I still have -04 in my "special interest draft collection"... http://purl.net/xyzzy/home/test/draft-stumpf-dns-mtamark-04.txt ...but actually I intend to remove the public access to this "I-D collection" when http://tools.ietf.org/id is officially announced. Bye, Frank P.S. (joke): I managed to "beat" the URL length for e.g. with by seven characters before I got the idea that "tools.ietf.org/html/" already uses the relevant "tools.ietf.org/id/" output... ;-) _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 08 16:51:16 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkTfY-0008Mg-Rd; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:51:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkTfV-0008Lo-Sw for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:51:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA24089 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkTfX-000639-CI for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:51:17 -0500 Received: by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id AD5AE37FBB; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:50:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D00637EF1; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:50:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701EF37E46; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:50:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EkTf4-0004Iu-B1; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:50:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4398AAB6.50801@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:50:46 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org/id issue (?) References: <43986D07.108F@xyzzy.claranet.de> In-Reply-To: <43986D07.108F@xyzzy.claranet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Frank, on 2005-12-08 18:27 Frank Ellermann said the following: > Hi, trying http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-stumpf-dns-mtamark > I get http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-stumpf-dns-mtamark with > an option to look at: > ______ > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-stumpf-dns-mtamark-02.txt-26 > > What I really wanted was the last available txt or rfcmarkup of > Yah. There was a bunch of .txt-NNN documents which messed up things; remainders of completing the repository some time ago. I've removed them and things should work as expected now. > That gets me a 404 (expired October 31), -05 is the tombstone. > I still have -04 in my "special interest draft collection"... > > http://purl.net/xyzzy/home/test/draft-stumpf-dns-mtamark-04.txt > > ...but actually I intend to remove the public access to this > "I-D collection" when http://tools.ietf.org/id is officially > announced. > Bye, Frank Right. I mostly need to put in place an automatic opt-out feature for authors who doesn't want their old drafts available, I think. > P.S. (joke): I managed to "beat" the URL length for e.g. > with > by seven > characters before I got the idea that "tools.ietf.org/html/" > already uses the relevant "tools.ietf.org/id/" output... ;-) Heh :-) Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 08 19:36:30 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkWFS-0006hi-9X; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:36:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkWFQ-0006f1-LM for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:36:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA12729 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkWFQ-0003o1-VR for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:36:29 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkWDc-0004Lf-B8 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 01:34:37 +0100 Received: from 1cust25.tnt9.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net ([149.225.140.25]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 01:34:36 +0100 Received: from nobody by 1cust25.tnt9.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 01:34:36 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 01:31:51 +0100 Organization: Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4398D077.64BC@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <43986D07.108F@xyzzy.claranet.de> <4398AAB6.50801@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust25.tnt9.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: tools.ietf.org/id issue (?) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > things should work as expected now. Yes, great, thanks. > I mostly need to put in place an automatic opt-out feature > for authors who doesn't want their old drafts available, > I think. ACK, but admittedly I don't see how you want to implement "automatic". It's something authors could decide when they submit a draft, with a manual feature to change their mind later (e.g. by submitting an explicit tombstone). [ shorter ] > Heh :-) http://purl.net/maint/display.pl.cgi?noedit=on&purl=/NET/draft/&id=nobody shows my first version - before I saw that this was a waste of time, because you already do it for tools.ietf.org/html/draft- Bye, Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 09 04:57:45 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ekf0b-0000Pq-LK; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:57:45 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ekf0a-0000Ow-HC for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:57:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA09845 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 04:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.186]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ekf0i-0004mt-O6 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:57:54 -0500 Received: by av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id D8B3738011; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:57:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834C037E8C; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:57:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67CC37E42; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:57:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Ekf0A-0007BS-AK; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:57:18 +0100 Message-ID: <439954FE.6020000@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:57:18 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: tools.ietf.org/id issue (?) References: <43986D07.108F@xyzzy.claranet.de> <4398AAB6.50801@levkowetz.com> <4398D077.64BC@xyzzy.claranet.de> In-Reply-To: <4398D077.64BC@xyzzy.claranet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org on 2005-12-09 01:31 Frank Ellermann said the following: >> I mostly need to put in place an automatic opt-out feature >> for authors who doesn't want their old drafts available, >> I think. > > ACK, but admittedly I don't see how you want to implement > "automatic". It's something authors could decide when they > submit a draft, with a manual feature to change their mind > later (e.g. by submitting an explicit tombstone). Well, yes - but there's the legacy drafts to handle, which have been submitted with the expectancy of 6 months lifetime. The automatic opt-out is for the change-of-mind part: With the appropriate checks and guards against spam, the idea is to basically have a button (it'll probably be on a separate page) which says "I'm the author and I don't want this old draft of mine available here." I'll parse the draft, extract the author email, send a cookie to (each of) the author(s) and if returned from all authors, set a flag to mark the draft hidden. After that, you'll get some kind of tombstone instead of the draft. (With an opt-in link for the author(s)). Of course, I have to provide manual handling, even so... but it has to be plain and easy for people to take their drafts out of circulation, not because I expect the workload of actually doing manual flagging to be heavy, but because people need to see that the mechanism exist, and even try it out if they have doubts. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 09 05:16:28 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkfIh-0000NK-Ug; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 05:16:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkfIg-0000MZ-4J for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 05:16:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA12105 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 05:15:32 -0500 (EST) From: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Received: from mgw-ext03.nokia.com ([131.228.20.95]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkfIo-0005UY-Qf for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 05:16:36 -0500 Received: from esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh108.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.145]) by mgw-ext03.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jB9ACk4E004984 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:12:52 +0200 Received: from esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.33]) by esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:16:16 +0200 Received: from esebe105.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.53]) by esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:16:15 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7233.31 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:16:19 +0200 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process Thread-Index: AcX8qZjZ/DMkItnoRwa353QJv7RmrQ== To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2005 10:16:15.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[966C26F0:01C5FCA9] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Tools-discuss] New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi everyone, I'd like to announce a prototype of a new tool I've been hacking=20 on lately. http://people.nokia.net/~pasi/dailydose/ We already have good tools that show what's the current status of various things in IETF; this tools shows the "delta" of that, or what has changed during the last day. In other words, the script downloads various IETF data sources daily, runs a diff against yesterday's data, and displays the changes as an HTML page. And there's an RSS feed, too, to make this Web 2.0 compliant :-) The main data source is the "all_id.txt" ID Tracker database dump; additional data comes from Bill Fenner's excellent tools, and some others (the web page has a full list). For each document whose status has changed, the tool throws in the abstract and a couple of links to various other tools as well (e.g., direct link to Henrik's diff tool for updated drafts). In addition to showing what's happening, Jari Arkko suggested the page should also show what's not happening. So there's an "IESG Non-Progress" section showing the drafts that have been in the same state for a long time (based on Bill's data, again). I hope that making this data visible leads to this section becoming shorter=20 soon :-) Comments, bug reports, suggestions for improvement, etc. are=20 most welcome! Disclaimer: This is very much a prototype, and there are bugs.=20 And due to the way the tool works, bug fixes are not retroactive (some of the older pages have bugs that have already been fixed). Best regards, Pasi _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 09 09:14:11 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ekj0l-0007gb-BD; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:14:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ekj0j-0007g4-Rj for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:14:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA09121 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcore.fi ([193.94.160.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ekj0v-0004wM-5B for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:14:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jB9EDtQ22867; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:13:55 +0200 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:13:54 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: > what has changed during the last day. In other words, the script > downloads various IETF data sources daily, runs a diff against > yesterday's data, and displays the changes as an HTML page. And > there's an RSS feed, too, to make this Web 2.0 compliant :-) ... > Comments, bug reports, suggestions for improvement, etc. are > most welcome! While this might fit in the generic problem space you're looking into, I'm not sure it needs to be solved by the same tool, though... One thing I've been looking for a long time has been "What has changed under www.ietf.org or www.iab.org in the last X days and how?" It's really frustrating to click through (most) pages looking for new or updated stuff, and for updated stuff, try to figure out how it has or hasn't changed. It's not uncommon that web pages are reorganized a bit, new features added, etc. without announcement. Tracking updates on the web pages would be great ("the list of pages sorted by the modification date"). Being able to see the diffs in changed files with respect to earlier version would be fantastic. If you'd like more specific data tracking suggestions, maybe one could track for instance: - IESG and/or IAB minutes - IESG projects list - IESG Statements on Accepted Individual Submissions - IESG Do Not Publish Requests on Individual Submissions - (Dare I say it..) the IPR disclosures page.. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 10 04:19:55 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1El0tX-0006hp-Jm; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:19:55 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1El0tT-0006gw-Uw for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:19:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA02760 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp126.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.126]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1El0tg-0007V8-HG for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:20:04 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.6] (69-170-29-227.chvlva.adelphia.net [69.170.29.227]) (Authenticated sender: rpelletier@isoc.org) by relay2.r2.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 16612489B86; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:19:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <439A9DCF.3050705@isoc.org> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:20:15 -0500 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: OK X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Pasi, Love it! 1st suggestion: Any chance we could select a start and end date period? 2nd: Check blocks to select among info, i.e., IETF-Announce, New Drafts, etc Thanks. Great tool. Ray Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I'd like to announce a prototype of a new tool I've been hacking >on lately. > >http://people.nokia.net/~pasi/dailydose/ > >We already have good tools that show what's the current status of >various things in IETF; this tools shows the "delta" of that, or >what has changed during the last day. In other words, the script >downloads various IETF data sources daily, runs a diff against >yesterday's data, and displays the changes as an HTML page. And >there's an RSS feed, too, to make this Web 2.0 compliant :-) > >The main data source is the "all_id.txt" ID Tracker database dump; >additional data comes from Bill Fenner's excellent tools, and some >others (the web page has a full list). For each document whose >status has changed, the tool throws in the abstract and a couple of >links to various other tools as well (e.g., direct link to Henrik's >diff tool for updated drafts). > >In addition to showing what's happening, Jari Arkko suggested the >page should also show what's not happening. So there's an "IESG >Non-Progress" section showing the drafts that have been in the same >state for a long time (based on Bill's data, again). I hope that >making this data visible leads to this section becoming shorter >soon :-) > >Comments, bug reports, suggestions for improvement, etc. are >most welcome! > >Disclaimer: This is very much a prototype, and there are bugs. >And due to the way the tool works, bug fixes are not retroactive >(some of the older pages have bugs that have already been fixed). > >Best regards, >Pasi > >_______________________________________________ >Tools-discuss mailing list >Tools-discuss@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Dec 11 17:08:12 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ElZMa-000403-MT; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:08:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ElZMZ-0003yr-3S for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:08:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA14775 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from exprod6og1.obsmtp.com ([64.18.1.121] helo=psmtp.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElZN4-0006qB-KG for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:08:46 -0500 Received: from source ([192.150.11.134]) by exprod6ob1.obsmtp.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:07:52 PST Received: from inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com ([153.32.1.51]) by outbound-smtp-1.corp.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBBM7jYc002734 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from calsj-dev (calsj-dev.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.193]) by inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBBM7qHV017116 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:07:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from calsj-dev (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.02 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IRC009VVTH3ZY@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from MasinterT43p ([10.7.240.242]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.02 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IRC00A38TH3LA@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:07:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:08:49 -0800 From: Larry Masinter To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-id: <000301c5fe9f$76c31a00$f2f0070a@corp.adobe.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcX+YNEyfz5w/DI0QDe2SA7rH9OpeAAPpH7Q X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [Tools-discuss] FW: Problem with IANA MIME media types registry X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Perhaps the IANA pages would benefit from a requirements document too. -----Original Message----- From: ietf-types-bounces@alvestrand.no [mailto:ietf-types-bounces@alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of Bruce Lilly Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 6:40 AM To: webmaster@iana.org Cc: iana@iana.org; ietf@ietf.org; ietf-types@alvestrand.no Subject: Problem with IANA MIME media types registry [CC'd to IETF discussion list and ietf-types discussion list] Hello, Recent changes to the page at http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/index.html accessed via the link from the IANA Assigned numbers page http://www.iana.org/numbers.html#M have rendered the registry of assigned media types useless. Prior to the recent change, the media types registry listed the assigned MIME top-level media types, viz. application, audio, image, message, model, multipart, text, and video. Since the change, only the application top-level type is listed (audio, image, message, model, multipart, text, and video have vanished without a trace) and superfluous repetition of the application subtypes listed in http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application has appeared (these of course are not top-level media types). Could you please investigate what has gone awry and regenerate a page that provides top-level media types. _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 12 13:30:30 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ElsRS-00087c-Iy; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:30:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ElpfT-0000la-0u for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:32:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA06745 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Elpg4-0008VO-BY for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:33:30 -0500 Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.122]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id A9377A61; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:32:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.175]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:32:31 +0100 Received: from [147.214.237.61] ([147.214.237.61]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:32:31 +0100 Message-ID: <439D97DB.3030207@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:31:39 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2005 15:32:31.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[445CCCE0:01C5FF31] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:30:28 -0500 Cc: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Nice and useful! Henrik On 2005-12-09 11:16 Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com said the following: > Hi everyone, > > I'd like to announce a prototype of a new tool I've been hacking > on lately. > > http://people.nokia.net/~pasi/dailydose/ > > We already have good tools that show what's the current status of > various things in IETF; this tools shows the "delta" of that, or > what has changed during the last day. In other words, the script > downloads various IETF data sources daily, runs a diff against > yesterday's data, and displays the changes as an HTML page. And > there's an RSS feed, too, to make this Web 2.0 compliant :-) > > The main data source is the "all_id.txt" ID Tracker database dump; > additional data comes from Bill Fenner's excellent tools, and some > others (the web page has a full list). For each document whose > status has changed, the tool throws in the abstract and a couple of > links to various other tools as well (e.g., direct link to Henrik's > diff tool for updated drafts). > > In addition to showing what's happening, Jari Arkko suggested the > page should also show what's not happening. So there's an "IESG > Non-Progress" section showing the drafts that have been in the same > state for a long time (based on Bill's data, again). I hope that > making this data visible leads to this section becoming shorter > soon :-) > > Comments, bug reports, suggestions for improvement, etc. are > most welcome! > > Disclaimer: This is very much a prototype, and there are bugs. > And due to the way the tool works, bug fixes are not retroactive > (some of the older pages have bugs that have already been fixed). > > Best regards, > Pasi > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 14 00:13:25 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmOxB-00018k-6h; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:13:25 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmOx9-00018U-HP for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:13:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA26424 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:12:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmOyH-0004iK-B1 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:14:34 -0500 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.223.137]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2005 21:13:13 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,250,1131350400"; d="scan'208"; a="240726276:sNHT33133704" Received: from vtg-um-e2k4.sj21ad.cisco.com (vtg-um-e2k4.cisco.com [171.70.93.57]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBE5DBMe011427; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from 10.21.96.130 ([10.21.96.130]) by vtg-um-e2k4.sj21ad.cisco.com ([171.70.93.57]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:13:11 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:13:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process From: Cullen Jennings To: , Tools Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process Thread-Index: AcX8qZjZ/DMkItnoRwa353QJv7RmrQDw38Ya In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On 12/9/05 2:16 AM, "Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com" wrote: > http://people.nokia.net/~pasi/dailydose/ Love it. > In addition to showing what's happening, Jari Arkko suggested the > page should also show what's not happening. So there's an "IESG > Non-Progress" Absolutely brutal - love it too. Any plans for an ATOM feed of this? _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 14 06:25:57 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmUlh-0007DD-Aw; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:25:57 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmUlf-0007D7-0p for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:25:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA07958 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:24:54 -0500 (EST) From: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Received: from mgw-ext04.nokia.com ([131.228.20.96]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmUmn-0001hF-Pv for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:27:07 -0500 Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext04.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jBEBP7Lh009637; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:25:11 +0200 Received: from esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.33]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:25:45 +0200 Received: from esebe105.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.53]) by esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:25:44 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7233.31 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Tools-discuss] New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:25:44 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process Thread-Index: AcX8ytYrvQZI1PaDQdGMzrxpL48tUQD1VYYQ To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2005 11:25:44.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F8CE5A0:01C600A1] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Pekka Savola wrote: > If you'd like more specific data tracking suggestions, maybe=20 > one could track for instance: > - IESG and/or IAB minutes > - IESG projects list > - IESG Statements on Accepted Individual Submissions > - IESG Do Not Publish Requests on Individual Submissions > - (Dare I say it..) the IPR disclosures page.. Thanks for the suggestions, these are really good ideas! At=20 least the IESG/IAB minutes and IPR disclosures look pretty straightforward to do (simple structured data that's not too difficult to "screen-scrape" from the web page). The first one working (well, hopefully :-) is the IPR disclosures=20 list -- and it looks like there are a couple new ones today: http://people.nokia.net/~pasi/dailydose/11.html Best regards, Pasi _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 14 06:33:54 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmUtO-0000Sy-3p; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:33:54 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmUtL-0000Rq-6n for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:33:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA08971 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:32:52 -0500 (EST) From: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Received: from mgw-ext01.nokia.com ([131.228.20.93]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmUuV-000215-U2 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:35:05 -0500 Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-ext01.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jBEBXj0B032657; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:33:46 +0200 Received: from esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.33]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:32:50 +0200 Received: from esebe105.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.53]) by esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:32:50 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7233.31 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Tools-discuss] New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:32:49 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <439A9DCF.3050705@isoc.org> Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process Thread-Index: AcX9atSLAFij9SJKTKSBG1petSNtAQDNsHRg To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2005 11:32:50.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D2B5980:01C600A2] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Ray, Due to the way the tool is implemented, doing arbitary date comparisons would be quite difficult (there's no database=20 backend or anything, and old data is not kept around longer than needed). The second idea might be doable.... Maybe some kind of "preferences" stored in a cookie would work? The cookie could also remember what was the latest date you've already seen. Best regards, Pasi > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Ray Pelletier [mailto:rpelletier@isoc.org]=20 > Sent: 10 December, 2005 11:20 > To: Eronen Pasi (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki) > Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New tool prototype: Daily dose=20 > of IETF process >=20 > Pasi, > Love it! > 1st suggestion: Any chance we could select a start and end=20 > date period? > 2nd: Check blocks to select among info, i.e., IETF-Announce,=20 > New Drafts, etc >=20 > Thanks. Great tool. > Ray _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 14 06:35:57 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmUvN-0000kx-1h; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:35:57 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmUvL-0000km-BU for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:35:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA09319 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:34:49 -0500 (EST) From: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Received: from mgw-ext01.nokia.com ([131.228.20.93]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmUwO-00026m-C6 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:37:01 -0500 Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext01.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jBEBZdBX002264; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:35:43 +0200 Received: from esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.177]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:35:42 +0200 Received: from esebe105.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.53]) by esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:35:42 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7233.31 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Tools-discuss] New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:35:42 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process Thread-Index: AcX8qZjZ/DMkItnoRwa353QJv7RmrQDw38YaAA1D3yA= To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2005 11:35:42.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[83ED0B50:01C600A2] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Cullen Jennings wrote: > Any plans for an ATOM feed of this? Currently, no; I think all feed readers can understand the existing RSS 2.0 feed (and since I wasn't involved in ATOM WG, the "eating=20 your own dogfood" thing doesn't apply :-) Best regards, Pasi _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 14 13:44:59 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmbcZ-0002lH-ID; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:44:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmbcX-0002ku-US for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:44:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08139 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:43:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Embdj-0003cf-Bl for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:46:15 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EmbUr-0005Fj-Jp for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:37:01 +0100 Received: from 1cust110.tnt9.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net ([149.225.140.110]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:37:01 +0100 Received: from nobody by 1cust110.tnt9.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:37:01 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:31:13 +0100 Organization: Lines: 9 Message-ID: <43A064F1.1035@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust110.tnt9.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: > http://people.nokia.net/~pasi/dailydose/11.html Somewhere near javascript:toggle('id51') you got an "IPR note" instead of the "abstract" for "draft-hoffman-rfc-author-guide". Bye, Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 15 06:58:32 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Emrkm-0003K3-Es; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:58:32 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Emrki-0003Jn-Ni for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:58:31 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA25508 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:57:19 -0500 (EST) From: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Received: from mgw-ext03.nokia.com ([131.228.20.95]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Emrlv-0006uJ-VJ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:59:45 -0500 Received: from esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh108.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.145]) by mgw-ext03.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jBFBsS73027247; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:54:34 +0200 Received: from esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.177]) by esebh108.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:58:13 +0200 Received: from esebe105.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.53]) by esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:58:14 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7233.31 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Tools-discuss] Re: New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:58:12 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43A064F1.1035@xyzzy.claranet.de> Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Re: New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process Thread-Index: AcYA3qI/fnkmf1qITFSB1k5oQQYhLQAkA/fw To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2005 11:58:14.0606 (UTC) FILETIME=[D44686E0:01C6016E] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Frank Ellermann wrote: > Somewhere near javascript:toggle('id51') you got an "IPR note" > instead of the "abstract" for "draft-hoffman-rfc-author-guide". Looks like a problem in http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-abstracts.txt: "Instructions to Request for Comments (RFC) Authors", Paul Hoffman,=20 13-Sep-04, =20 By submitting this Internet-Draft, I certify that any applicable patent or=20 other IPR claims of which I am aware have been disclosed, or will be disclosed, and any of which I become aware will be disclosed, in accordance=20 with RFC 3668.=20 Best regards, Pasi _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 16 03:14:25 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnAjR-0001Gw-BV; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:14:25 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnAjP-0001Gk-7v for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:14:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA16646 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtagate3.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.136]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnAkw-0003xI-SC for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:16:00 -0500 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate3.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBG8EAQg140250 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:14:10 GMT Received: from d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.216]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id jBG8E9Eg203384 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:14:09 GMT Received: from d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG8E9pd014972 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:14:09 GMT Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBG8E8Y0014964; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:14:09 GMT Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-129-125.de.ibm.com [9.145.129.125]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA64504; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:14:08 +0100 Message-ID: <43A27749.5020706@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:14:01 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Masinter Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] FW: Problem with IANA MIME media types registry References: <000301c5fe9f$76c31a00$f2f0070a@corp.adobe.com> In-Reply-To: <000301c5fe9f$76c31a00$f2f0070a@corp.adobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Not really our department, though. I think we should focus on ietf.org first. The IAB and IASA have ongoing dialogue with IANA, with real hope of progress since they hired David Conrad. Brian Larry Masinter wrote: > Perhaps the IANA pages would benefit from a requirements > document too. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-types-bounces@alvestrand.no > [mailto:ietf-types-bounces@alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of Bruce Lilly > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 6:40 AM > To: webmaster@iana.org > Cc: iana@iana.org; ietf@ietf.org; ietf-types@alvestrand.no > Subject: Problem with IANA MIME media types registry > > [CC'd to IETF discussion list and ietf-types discussion list] > > Hello, > > Recent changes to the page at > http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/index.html > accessed via the link from the IANA Assigned numbers page > http://www.iana.org/numbers.html#M > have rendered the registry of assigned media types useless. > Prior to the recent change, the media types registry listed > the assigned MIME top-level media types, viz. application, audio, > image, message, model, multipart, text, and video. Since the > change, only the application top-level type is listed (audio, image, > message, model, multipart, text, and video have vanished without > a trace) and superfluous repetition of the application subtypes > listed in > http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application > has appeared (these of course are not top-level media types). > > Could you please investigate what has gone awry and regenerate > a page that provides top-level media types. > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 16 03:27:08 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnAvk-0004gx-5F; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:27:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnAvh-0004gf-Uo for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:27:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA17346 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtagate2.de.ibm.com ([195.212.29.151]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnAxE-0004IJ-UH for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:28:41 -0500 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate2.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBG8QrBN184450 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:26:53 GMT Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id jBG8Qrgi217682 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:26:53 +0100 Received: from d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG8Qrus021782 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:26:53 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBG8QrBH021776; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:26:53 +0100 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-129-125.de.ibm.com [9.145.129.125]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA55260; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:26:49 +0100 Message-ID: <43A27A45.3040309@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:26:45 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: tools.ietf.org/id issue (?) References: <43986D07.108F@xyzzy.claranet.de> <4398AAB6.50801@levkowetz.com> <4398D077.64BC@xyzzy.claranet.de> <439954FE.6020000@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <439954FE.6020000@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Frank Ellermann , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Let's not forget that there is nothing in the IETF rules that says drafts can be withdrawn after publication. All that is said is that they will be removed from the active directory after expiry. Although I think most of the archive operators have accepted requests to remove drafts at the author's request, I'm not sure that is anything but politeness. Once a document is public, it's public. (I don't know the legal position and we may need to check it at some time, but you generally can't unpublish something, although a court can order copies to be destroyed.) So while we probably need an unpublish button, I think it should not be made too easy. Brian Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > > on 2005-12-09 01:31 Frank Ellermann said the following: > > >>>I mostly need to put in place an automatic opt-out feature >>>for authors who doesn't want their old drafts available, >>>I think. >> >>ACK, but admittedly I don't see how you want to implement >>"automatic". It's something authors could decide when they >>submit a draft, with a manual feature to change their mind >>later (e.g. by submitting an explicit tombstone). > > > Well, yes - but there's the legacy drafts to handle, which > have been submitted with the expectancy of 6 months lifetime. > > The automatic opt-out is for the change-of-mind part: > > With the appropriate checks and guards against spam, > the idea is to basically have a button (it'll probably be on > a separate page) which says "I'm the author and I don't want > this old draft of mine available here." I'll parse the draft, > extract the author email, send a cookie to (each of) the author(s) > and if returned from all authors, set a flag to mark the draft > hidden. After that, you'll get some kind of tombstone instead > of the draft. (With an opt-in link for the author(s)). > > Of course, I have to provide manual handling, even so... but > it has to be plain and easy for people to take their drafts > out of circulation, not because I expect the workload of actually > doing manual flagging to be heavy, but because people need to > see that the mechanism exist, and even try it out if they have > doubts. > > > Henrik > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 16 03:39:58 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnB8A-0008Js-8n; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:39:58 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnB89-0008Jl-CM for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:39:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA18320 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtagate1.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.134]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnB9i-0004fr-Ka for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:41:35 -0500 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate1.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBG8dRKG164474 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:39:31 GMT Received: from d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.212]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id jBG8dREg238878 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:39:27 GMT Received: from d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG8dRl1008561 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:39:27 GMT Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBG8dR1x008552; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:39:27 GMT Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-129-125.de.ibm.com [9.145.129.125]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA44574; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:39:25 +0100 Message-ID: <43A27D38.7080501@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:39:20 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New ITU-T document access tool References: <000001c5fad8$e20d9cb0$1a01a8c0@gurke> <439758A9.7060202@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <439758A9.7060202@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c3a18ef96977fc9bcc21a621cbf1174b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Stephan Wenger , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Don't forget that the ITU-T Secretariat has a large staff and a budget around ten times the IETF's. So we can certainly pick out good ideas, but we will have to be selective. This appears to be organized by SG. So are we; I normally find drafts and RFCs via http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/wg-dir.html and http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/OLD/index.html. What's missing there are links to meeting minutes - would that be a good idea? Brian Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Stephan, > > Some nice ideas here. Adding Authors and also an Abstract to the > WG pages (under http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ ) is something which has crossed > my mind, but is waiting for time. Auto-conversion of txt documents to html > and PDF is already in place, but not fully integrated into the WG pages > yet - I'm working on that. Tarballing is also something which would be > nice, although I'm not sure how important that would be in practice. I > checked if Apache had a capability like that built-in a few months ago, but > when I didn't find anything, I left it. Converting all the WG pages to > static pages, so they could be rsynced has been on my mind for a while, > though. > > Of the features available through the ITU-T document access tool, what > are the 2 most valuable which are not currently available through the > WG pages, to your thinking? > > > Henrik > > > on 2005-12-07 03:49 Stephan Wenger said the following: > >>Folks, >> >>I usually don't read or post to this list. Please bear with me if this is >>old news. >> >>The "bellheads" of the ITU-T have put together a pretty decent looking >>document access mechanism that covers all their Study Group level documents >>(they also have lower level "Rapporteur's meeting" documents, which are not >>yet accessible through the system). It's implemented in ASP :-( and >>structured around meetings, so it's likely not directly applicable for us. >>"Decent looking" is also a matter of personal taste. However, I think it's >>a great tool for them, and some of the ideas would be quite helpful at least >>for me, if implemented in the IETF as well. Check it out: >>http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/meetingdocs/index.asp >> >>Some of the concepts I like and haven't seen in the IETF are >>- a very compact representation of the key properties of each file, e.g. >>date, authors, title, and group to which this document belongs. >>- All working documents (corresponding to I-Ds and WG administrative >>documents, i.e. charters, reports, ...) available from one site. In the >>IETF case, where we don't charge for the RFCs we produce, they could be >>integrated as well >>- means to "shop" for documents, select them, and have the whole selection >>as a zip file shipped to you by email. For our small docs, a tarball would >>do as well >>- autoconverters to PDF etc. For them perhaps more important than for us, >>as they need to worry about all those different software versions. >> >>This is not a "demand for implementation" or something, it's just a pointer >>to something useful. >> >>Regards, >>Stephan >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Tools-discuss mailing list >>Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 16 03:49:47 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnBHf-00032F-0q; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:49:47 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnBHd-00032A-DM for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:49:45 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA18852 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtagate4.de.ibm.com ([195.212.29.153]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnBJC-0004vU-3g for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:51:23 -0500 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate4.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBG8nYLs057260 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:49:34 GMT Received: from d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.212]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id jBG8nYgi236856 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:49:34 +0100 Received: from d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBG8nY5G009925 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:49:34 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBG8nX4F009897; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:49:34 +0100 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-129-125.de.ibm.com [9.145.129.125]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA76340; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:49:30 +0100 Message-ID: <43A27F95.2040408@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:49:25 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: New tool prototype: Daily dose of IETF process References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: nobody@xyzzy.claranet.de, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: > Frank Ellermann wrote: > > >>Somewhere near javascript:toggle('id51') you got an "IPR note" >>instead of the "abstract" for "draft-hoffman-rfc-author-guide". > > > Looks like a problem in > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-abstracts.txt: > > "Instructions to Request for Comments (RFC) Authors", Paul Hoffman, > 13-Sep-04, > > By submitting this Internet-Draft, I certify that any applicable > patent or > other IPR claims of which I am aware have been disclosed, or will be > > disclosed, and any of which I become aware will be disclosed, in > accordance > with RFC 3668. If you look at the draft, it's actually a formatting problem in the draft that confused the extraction of the abstract. Brian _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 16 11:03:52 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnI3k-0000be-68; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:03:52 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EnI3g-0000ao-Qk for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:03:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA08577 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110] helo=mail-white.research.att.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnI5G-0004NN-ME for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:05:26 -0500 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18EA147AB2 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.12.11/8.12.10/Submit) id jBGG3ZxU002085; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:03:35 -0800 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200512161603.jBGG3ZxU002085@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:03:35 -0800 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Time/Deadline tracking tool? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I'm thinking of a tool that knows what steps exist in the process and has estimates for how long they do or can take (e.g., "IESG Approval - 1 day through 6 weeks"), and then stacks them up to see when an RFC might pop out. I'm thinking of this for groups that have external dependencies, e.g., ITU meetings that need an RFC number for a document by X date - working backwards from a deadline, with average values for each step, you can see what deadlines there are for earlier steps (such as WG consensus or IETF Last Call or ...). Does anyone know of a tool like this? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 19 04:25:40 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoHH2-0000FU-J5; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:25:40 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoHH0-0000FP-VV for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:25:39 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA13631 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtagate4.de.ibm.com ([195.212.29.153]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoHJA-0004s8-9K for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 04:27:54 -0500 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate4.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBJ9PQLs160456 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:25:26 GMT Received: from d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.212]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id jBJ9PQbr185836 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:25:26 +0100 Received: from d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBJ9PPd8001519 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:25:25 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBJ9PPuv001511; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:25:25 +0100 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-130-34.de.ibm.com [9.145.130.34]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA81212; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:25:23 +0100 Message-ID: <43A67C81.4080701@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:25:21 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Fenner Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Time/Deadline tracking tool? References: <200512161603.jBGG3ZxU002085@bright.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <200512161603.jBGG3ZxU002085@bright.research.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Aren't we dealing with long-tailed distributions here? I suspect that makes prediction quite hard. Brian Bill Fenner wrote: > I'm thinking of a tool that knows what steps exist in the process and > has estimates for how long they do or can take (e.g., "IESG Approval - > 1 day through 6 weeks"), and then stacks them up to see when an RFC might > pop out. I'm thinking of this for groups that have external dependencies, > e.g., ITU meetings that need an RFC number for a document by X date - > working backwards from a deadline, with average values for each step, > you can see what deadlines there are for earlier steps (such as WG > consensus or IETF Last Call or ...). > > Does anyone know of a tool like this? > > Thanks, > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 19 09:11:49 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoLjx-0006x7-Jw; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:11:49 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoLjt-0006wd-W5 for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:11:48 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA20044 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:10:42 -0500 (EST) From: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Received: from mgw-ext01.nokia.com ([131.228.20.93]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoLm6-0006l6-N3 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:14:04 -0500 Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext01.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jBJEBfWd030358; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:11:41 +0200 Received: from esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.33]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:11:41 +0200 Received: from esebe105.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.53]) by esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:11:41 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7233.31 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Tools-discuss] Time/Deadline tracking tool? Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:11:43 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43A67C81.4080701@zurich.ibm.com> Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Time/Deadline tracking tool? Thread-Index: AcYEfmyODV/ny+lZSBOsxaFF6trDOwAJpILA To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2005 14:11:41.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[2267D470:01C604A6] X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I like the idea. Maybe the prediction could be a probability=20 distribution as well? Something like "25% of documents go from WGLC to RFC in <=3DX1 months, 50% in <=3DX2 months, 75% in <=3DX3 months"? This way, the horribly=20 long tail wouldn't skew the figures so much, and you could pick=20 either an optimistic or pessimistic estimate depending on the document and your mood :-) Speaking about the long tail.... o draft-ietf-rsvp-proxy has been in AD Evaluation ::=20 Revised ID Needed (jpeterson) for 1082 days o draft-ietf-megaco-h248v2 has been in Publication Requested ::=20 External Party (jpeterson) for 928 days o draft-bradner-pbk-frame has been in IESG Evaluation ::=20 Revised ID Needed (rhousley) for 891 days o draft-polk-ieprep-flow-model-considerations has been in=20 AD Evaluation :: External Party (jpeterson) for 698 days o draft-rajeshkumar-mmusic-gpmd has been in IESG Evaluation ::=20 External Party (jpeterson) for 667 days o draft-ietf-imapext-sort has been in IESG Evaluation ::=20 AD Followup (sah) for 640 days o draft-hardie-bounded-longest-match has been in AD Evaluation ::=20 External Party (azinin) for 629 days o draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-as has been in Waiting for=20 Writeup (fenner) for 520 days o draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3 has been in Waiting for=20 Writeup (fenner) for 520 days o draft-rfc-editor-rfc2223bis has been in IESG Evaluation ::=20 AD Followup (becarpenter) for 516 days o draft-ietf-ips-scsi-mib has been in Expert Review ::=20 AD Followup (mankin) for 516 days :-) Best regards, Pasi _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 19 09:15:10 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoLnC-0007rQ-Om; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:15:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoLnB-0007rK-9H for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:15:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA20448 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([158.38.152.233]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoLpO-0006t9-18 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:17:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B7625970B for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:14:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12758-09 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:14:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (163.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.163]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2675A259707 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:14:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:18:01 +0100 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <6AC5A5012D4B2FF1EC64DBE7@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] Font sizes in diff tool? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, is there any particular reason why the font sizes in the diff tool output are specified in points? This means, in particular, that zooming the text in Opera to get it to fit on my screen won't work.... _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 19 09:18:33 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoLqT-0000Gr-0X; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:18:33 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoLqR-0000Gm-2K for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:18:31 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA20822 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([158.38.152.233]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoLsd-0006zs-TN for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:20:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECC02596FA; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:17:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12920-07; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:17:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (163.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.163]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2512596F3; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:17:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:21:25 +0100 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand To: Brian E Carpenter , Bill Fenner Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Time/Deadline tracking tool? Message-ID: <0BFD50B940241F85BFF72981@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: <43A67C81.4080701@zurich.ibm.com> References: <200512161603.jBGG3ZxU002085@bright.research.att.com> <43A67C81.4080701@zurich.ibm.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I think the thing you are looking for closely resembles a project planning tool.... and I think calibrating it to the 50th percentile would give interesting feedback; essentially "if you are here in the process and don't believe in miracles, you must start worrying THIS long before the deadline". I suspect that the "long tail" is mainly stuff where the proponents have lost interest; they might either have despaired of ever getting the document passed or they might have gone on to other pursuits. One dose of forgetfulness, carefully applied, works wonders for increasing delays..... Harald --On mandag, desember 19, 2005 10:25:21 +0100 Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Aren't we dealing with long-tailed distributions here? I suspect that > makes prediction quite hard. > > Brian > > Bill Fenner wrote: >> I'm thinking of a tool that knows what steps exist in the process and >> has estimates for how long they do or can take (e.g., "IESG Approval - >> 1 day through 6 weeks"), and then stacks them up to see when an RFC might >> pop out. I'm thinking of this for groups that have external >> dependencies, e.g., ITU meetings that need an RFC number for a document >> by X date - working backwards from a deadline, with average values for >> each step, you can see what deadlines there are for earlier steps (such >> as WG consensus or IETF Last Call or ...). >> >> Does anyone know of a tool like this? _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 19 17:58:20 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoTxU-0004R2-Ij; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:58:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoTxQ-0004Ql-Py for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:58:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA02493 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoTzh-0002U1-Gs for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:00:39 -0500 Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id F222F37F99; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:57:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DF637E8C; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:57:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E85037E42; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:57:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EoTx3-0006Kx-DR; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:57:53 +0100 Message-ID: <43A73AE9.5040908@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:57:45 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Font sizes in diff tool? References: <6AC5A5012D4B2FF1EC64DBE7@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: <6AC5A5012D4B2FF1EC64DBE7@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1278444740==" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1278444740== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig19564C02E269DA5EF5BC937B" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig19564C02E269DA5EF5BC937B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Harald, on 2005-12-19 15:18 Harald Tveit Alvestrand said the following: > Hi, > > is there any particular reason why the font sizes in the diff tool output > are specified in points? > > This means, in particular, that zooming the text in Opera to get it to fit > on my screen won't work.... Hmm. Across the browsers and OSes I've tested, points have seemed to give the best consistency and control, and I've not had the particular problem you describe. What I've checked include Firefox, IE, Safari and Konqueror on Windows, Linux and OS-X -- remove the combinations that doesn't exist. I'll download Opera and check it out, and see if I can understand the problem. >From a philosophical point of view, with screens varying at least from 72 to 100 ppi today, with further variations probable in the future, I prefer to not use pixels as a unit; but if on the other hand points simply doesn't work in some cases, I may have to reconsider. Henrik --------------enig19564C02E269DA5EF5BC937B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDpzrweVhrtTJkXCMRAthdAJ453ZwHpaKGWZF785Ooq+Sb0VCIuwCeOKYz gSv+XvthpKVXH2cUd2ffXGA= =H9An -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig19564C02E269DA5EF5BC937B-- --===============1278444740== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1278444740==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 19 18:21:10 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoUJa-0000tv-4p; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:21:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoUJY-0000t1-6Y for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:21:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA05111 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.183]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoULq-0003Fh-A9 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:23:31 -0500 Received: by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 4F6CB37EE3; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:20:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D3037EBE; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:20:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21BE737E49; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:20:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EoUJN-0006jx-0T; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:20:57 +0100 Message-ID: <43A74057.703@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:20:55 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Font sizes in diff tool? References: <6AC5A5012D4B2FF1EC64DBE7@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> <43A73AE9.5040908@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <43A73AE9.5040908@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1852443448==" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1852443448== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig6DECBAF520354AE8CA15F2F1" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig6DECBAF520354AE8CA15F2F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on 2005-12-19 23:57 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: > on 2005-12-19 15:18 Harald Tveit Alvestrand said the following: [...] >> This means, in particular, that zooming the text in Opera to get it to fit >> on my screen won't work.... [...] > I'll download Opera and check it out, and see if I can understand the problem. I tried this out, and zooming seems to work as expected for the side-by-side diffs on the e.g. http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-te-mib/ on OS-X with Opera 8.5. I'll try this out on Linux and Windows at work, tomorrow. Henrik --------------enig6DECBAF520354AE8CA15F2F1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDp0BYeVhrtTJkXCMRAjvbAJ9wcWfHnlzko6b1ARm12uTR/fWQRgCfSoa2 kwBxkYBQQ6QDBrANGLY0uzA= =RoVi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6DECBAF520354AE8CA15F2F1-- --===============1852443448== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1852443448==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 19 23:26:05 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoZ4f-0002FD-0H; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:26:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoZ4d-0002F5-Qa for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:26:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA06880 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoZ6z-0004TA-4t for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:28:29 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EoZ3U-0006w0-1A for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:24:53 +0100 Received: from pd9fba922.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.251.169.34]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:24:52 +0100 Received: from nobody by pd9fba922.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:24:52 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:23:20 +0100 Organization: Lines: 9 Message-ID: <43A78738.AE3@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <6AC5A5012D4B2FF1EC64DBE7@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> <43A73AE9.5040908@levkowetz.com> <43A74057.703@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9fba922.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] http://noc.ietf.org/detail.php (was: Font sizes in diff tool?) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-te-mib/ Apparently down at the moment. How about adding tools.ietf.org to the servers monitored by http://noc.ietf.org/detail.php ? Bye, Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 20 04:38:31 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eodx1-0002LA-OV; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:38:31 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eodwz-0002L2-41 for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:38:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA02998 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EodzN-0004sS-63 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:40:57 -0500 Received: by av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id B0BB6380DE; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:38:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962D33803D; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:38:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061EB37E70; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:38:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Eodwb-0005nL-Nx; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:38:05 +0100 Message-ID: <43A7D0F8.5070508@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:38:00 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] http://noc.ietf.org/detail.php References: <6AC5A5012D4B2FF1EC64DBE7@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> <43A73AE9.5040908@levkowetz.com> <43A74057.703@levkowetz.com> <43A78738.AE3@xyzzy.claranet.de> In-Reply-To: <43A78738.AE3@xyzzy.claranet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Cc: Michael Lee , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0604723005==" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0604723005== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7371F1FFB4488E0C7294EEE5" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7371F1FFB4488E0C7294EEE5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Frank, on 2005-12-20 05:23 Frank Ellermann said the following: > Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-te-mib/ > > Apparently down at the moment. Yah. I was caught by an apache upgrade that didn't go smoothly. Down between 05:00 and about 09:00 CET. > How about adding tools.ietf.org > to the servers monitored by http://noc.ietf.org/detail.php ? Sounds like a good idea. Mike, what's needed? Personally I run Munin (http://munin.sf.net/) to keep track of my servers (see e.g. http://www.levkowetz.com/site/stats/munin/levkowetz.com/shiraz.levkowetz.com) - the ietf noc display seems to be something different. It would be trivial to add munin feeds from the tools server to the ietf noc, for what it's worth, but feeds to the current page might also be easy. Henrik --------------enig7371F1FFB4488E0C7294EEE5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDp9D8eVhrtTJkXCMRAuogAKDYCpUoY54WJnHq8zpEXIsqBPaGowCeIPxd 4wGT9Hz3fXdb+goBaI5+TSg= =Ueek -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7371F1FFB4488E0C7294EEE5-- --===============0604723005== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0604723005==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 20 04:53:12 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoeBE-0004nO-2e; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:53:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoeBC-0004n8-9g for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:53:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA04191 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([158.38.152.233]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoeDZ-0005Ga-VT for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:55:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5502596E5; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:52:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14752-07; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:52:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from halvestr-w2k02.emea.cisco.com (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00CC2596FC; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:52:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:52:25 +0100 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Font sizes in diff tool? Message-ID: <837D80EF101425B9E78C5EF9@B50854F0A9192E8EC6CDA126> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.3 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1077700413==" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============1077700413== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="==========D1162E01348C2467CA9D==========" --==========D1162E01348C2467CA9D========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure we're looking at the same page, or have the same Opera.... go to this URL: and use the spyglass tool in the upper right-hand corner of Opera to change = the magnification to 50%. The text changes, but it definitely does NOT change to half size. FWIW, my favourite unit of measure in theory is the percent, with the=20 next-most-favourite being the "size 1-5" range that used to be the only way = in the Old Days. Testing might have convinced you that those work badly.... Harald --On 20. desember 2005 00:20 +0100 Henrik Levkowetz =20 wrote: > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-te-mib/ --==========D1162E01348C2467CA9D========== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDp9RZOMj+2+WY0F4RApbVAKCB6De1tDgT9WQyXWc3+e49ZhEkkQCgg4iu OK+jQgrnJ2Yra1XMoyOpnNI= =T26C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==========D1162E01348C2467CA9D==========-- --===============1077700413== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1077700413==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 20 07:14:03 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EogNX-0004Yo-Ef; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:14:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EogNW-0004Yh-1f for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:14:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA18441 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EogPr-0001HM-7x for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:16:31 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EogMG-0005GG-A3 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:12:44 +0100 Received: from pd9fba96d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.251.169.109]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:12:44 +0100 Received: from nobody by pd9fba96d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:12:44 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:11:09 +0100 Organization: Lines: 26 Message-ID: <43A7F4DD.7317@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <837D80EF101425B9E78C5EF9@B50854F0A9192E8EC6CDA126> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9fba96d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Font sizes in diff tool? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > When I look at this with a pre-CSS browser the CSS-magic does of course not work. Instead of font-family: monospaced for ... cells using .../td> is an option (?) I'm not sure about the class="lineno" cells, are they supposed to contain nothing ? > FWIW, my favourite unit of measure in theory is the percent Same here. > with the next-most-favourite being the "size 1-5" range that > used to be the only way in the Old Days. Yes, e.g. ... is valid. Only and for font size changes are dead for good. Nested and work even with Lynx, not changing the font size of course, but they (can) have a visible effect. Bye, Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 20 08:16:11 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EohHq-00025t-Ra; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:12:14 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EohHo-00025K-HY for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:12:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA24276 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtagate4.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.137]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EohK8-0003Fw-EV for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:14:38 -0500 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate4.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBKDBfci058246 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:11:43 GMT Received: from d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.213]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id jBKDBfIC205648 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:11:41 GMT Received: from d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBKDBePQ028509 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:11:41 GMT Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBKDBeEe028504; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:11:40 GMT Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-252-10.de.ibm.com [9.145.252.10]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA36122; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:11:39 +0100 Message-ID: <43A8030A.90003@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:11:38 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Time/Deadline tracking tool? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: fenner@research.att.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org The *very* long tail is indeed mainly very special cases, and is mainly a concern because it skews the mean value. So percentiles are the way to go; we could regard the 50th percentile as a key indicator for example. Brian Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: > I like the idea. Maybe the prediction could be a probability > distribution as well? > > Something like "25% of documents go from WGLC to RFC in <=X1 months, > 50% in <=X2 months, 75% in <=X3 months"? This way, the horribly > long tail wouldn't skew the figures so much, and you could pick > either an optimistic or pessimistic estimate depending on the > document and your mood :-) > > Speaking about the long tail.... > > o draft-ietf-rsvp-proxy has been in AD Evaluation :: > Revised ID Needed (jpeterson) for 1082 days > o draft-ietf-megaco-h248v2 has been in Publication Requested :: > External Party (jpeterson) for 928 days > o draft-bradner-pbk-frame has been in IESG Evaluation :: > Revised ID Needed (rhousley) for 891 days > o draft-polk-ieprep-flow-model-considerations has been in > AD Evaluation :: External Party (jpeterson) for 698 days > o draft-rajeshkumar-mmusic-gpmd has been in IESG Evaluation :: > External Party (jpeterson) for 667 days > o draft-ietf-imapext-sort has been in IESG Evaluation :: > AD Followup (sah) for 640 days > o draft-hardie-bounded-longest-match has been in AD Evaluation :: > External Party (azinin) for 629 days > o draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-as has been in Waiting for > Writeup (fenner) for 520 days > o draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3 has been in Waiting for > Writeup (fenner) for 520 days > o draft-rfc-editor-rfc2223bis has been in IESG Evaluation :: > AD Followup (becarpenter) for 516 days > o draft-ietf-ips-scsi-mib has been in Expert Review :: > AD Followup (mankin) for 516 days > > :-) > > Best regards, > Pasi > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 20 11:18:54 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EokCU-0008Kc-NS; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:18:54 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EokCT-0008KX-LW for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:18:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18932 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EokEp-0001Zm-DA for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:21:26 -0500 Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.121]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 050114F0001; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:54:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.170]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:54:06 +0100 Received: from [147.214.237.61] ([147.214.237.61]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:54:06 +0100 Message-ID: <43A828E8.9030003@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:53:12 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Font sizes in diff tool? References: <837D80EF101425B9E78C5EF9@B50854F0A9192E8EC6CDA126> In-Reply-To: <837D80EF101425B9E78C5EF9@B50854F0A9192E8EC6CDA126> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2005 15:54:06.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BA1A230:01C6057D] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Ok, some preliminary results. In OS-X and Linux (debian) I don't see this problem with Opera - I do as you say, and the result is about 50% size text. In windows, however, I get the expected text reduction of the proportionally spaced text, while the monospaced text stays exactly the same when I go to smaller magnifications than 100%. It does increase for magnifications larger than 100%, though. This seems to be independent of how the font sizes are specified - I see the problem with Opera on windows for font size specified in pt, px, em, and %. I'll do some browsing this evening, to see if the problem is known, and if there is some workaround for it. Henrik On 2005-12-20 10:52 Harald Tveit Alvestrand said the following: > I'm not sure we're looking at the same page, or have the same Opera.... > > go to this URL: > > > > and use the spyglass tool in the upper right-hand corner of Opera to change > the magnification to 50%. > > The text changes, but it definitely does NOT change to half size. > > FWIW, my favourite unit of measure in theory is the percent, with the > next-most-favourite being the "size 1-5" range that used to be the only way > in the Old Days. Testing might have convinced you that those work badly.... > > Harald > > --On 20. desember 2005 00:20 +0100 Henrik Levkowetz > wrote: > > >>http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-te-mib/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 23 07:12:43 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eplmt-0001E7-3e; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:12:43 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eplmr-0001Dx-Fg for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:12:41 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA03056 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eplps-0007IR-Pa for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:15:49 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93F0898BF for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:12:31 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43ABE96C.9010304@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:11:24 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c83ccb5cc10e751496398f1233ca9c3a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] FW: bug report on IETF and RFC Editor RFC directory sync X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org (Forwarding a bug report in case this interests more people. I've already sent it to the rfc-editor and ietf-action.) ---- I happened to notice that the IETF RFC directory (ftp://ftp.ietf.org/rfc) and the RFC Editor's corresponding directory (ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes) have subtle differences. These differences look like bugs, and can be potentially confusing to people who access the information, so I'm hoping they get sorted out... Here's what I did: I downloaded the "dir" listings from both locations (see logi.txt for a log of what I did). I then took the two lists and converted them to a form suitable for comparisons (see ietfrfclist.txt and rfcedrfclist.txt). Here are the differences that I found: 1. IETF site has BOTH rfc0NNN and rfcNNN files (same for 00NN and 000N). Its annoying if you attempt to download these files, because you get multiple copies. But it could also be because you wanted to offer both, if people have URLs pointing to them. But if so, the rfc0* list is incomplete. Its missing all .pdfs and .pses, and start from RFC 101 there are many RFCs that are NOT offered in the rfc0NNN form. In fact, there are only 549 such RFCs, whereas in the RFC editor site there are 931 RFCs under < 1000. 2. IETF directory has "~" files that should be removed: rfc3411.txt~ rfc3927.txt~ 3. What's this in the IETF directory? Typo? rfy707.tex 4. The IETF site is missing .pdf and .ps files for some RFCs that have them in the RFC Editor site. (And this does not appear to be because we'd have a policy against PDF as there are some other .pdf files at the IETF site). < rfc 12.pdf < rfc 12.ps < rfc 145.pdf < rfc 145.ps < rfc 338.pdf < rfc 338.ps < rfc 432.pdf < rfc 432.ps < rfc 525.pdf < rfc 525.ps < rfc 546.pdf < rfc 546.ps < rfc 570.pdf < rfc 570.ps < rfc1119.pdf < rfc1124.pdf < rfc1125.pdf < rfc1128.pdf < rfc1129.pdf < rfc1142.pdf < rfc1144.pdf < rfc1147.pdf < rfc1168.pdf < rfc1195.pdf < rfc1237.pdf < rfc1241.pdf < rfc1245.pdf < rfc1246.pdf < rfc1247.pdf < rfc1275.pdf < rfc1279.pdf < rfc1341.pdf < rfc1343.pdf < rfc1344.pdf < rfc1347.pdf < rfc1384.pdf < rfc1434.pdf < rfc1521.pdf < rfc1563.pdf < rfc1583.pdf < rfc1584.pdf < rfc1633.pdf < rfc1641.pdf < rfc1642.pdf < rfc1709.pdf < rfc1714.pdf < rfc1950.pdf < rfc1951.pdf < rfc1952.pdf < rfc2490.pdf < rfc2616.pdf < rfc2636.pdf < rfc2638.pdf < rfc3312.pdf < rfc3312.ps < rfc3550.pdf < rfc3550.ps < rfc3551.pdf < rfc3551.ps < rfc3875.pdf < rfc4128.pdf < rfc4137.pdf 5. The RFC Editor site is missing these .ps files that are on the IETF site. (Or are these the contents of the rfc1305.tar file? I did not check.) > rfc1305a.ps > rfc1305b.ps > rfc1305c.ps --Jari _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss