From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 04 08:16:55 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eu8TL-0002is-KN; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:14:35 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EtrOz-0006k3-1K for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:00:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA12641 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeke.blacka.com ([69.31.8.124] helo=zeke.ecotroph.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EtrUI-0007GD-Sk for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:06:28 -0500 Received: from dul1shollenbl1 ([::ffff:216.168.239.87]) (AUTH: LOGIN sah, SSL: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,RC4-MD5) by zeke.ecotroph.net with esmtp; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:00:05 -0500 id 0158800A.43BAC9B5.00000E26 From: "Scott Hollenbeck" To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:01:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcYQmB3SCVeGscQzQO+mbtMNnPC8CQ== Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:14:34 -0500 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.84 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I just ran a document through the idnits checker. It produced some unexpected results: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sieve-3431bis-04.txt Output: idnits 1.84 tmp/draft-ietf-sieve-3431bis-04.txt: Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html: Checking conformance with RFC 3978/3979 boilerplate... * The document seems to lack an RFC 3978 Section 5.4 Copyright Line -- however, there's a paragraph with a matching beginning. Boilerplate error? RFC 3978 Section 5.4 paragraph 1 text: "Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2006)." ... text found in draft: "Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2005). This document is subject ............................................^ to the rights, licenses and restrictions contained in BCP 78, and except as set forth therein, the authors retain all their rights.") * The document seems to lack an RFC 3978 Section 5.4 Reference to BCP 78. RFC 3978 Section 5.4 paragraph 2 text: "This document is subject to the rights, licenses and restrictions contained in BCP 78, and except as set forth therein, the authors retain all their rights." Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.txt: Nothing found here (but these checks do not cover all of 1id-guidelines.txt yet). Miscellaneous warnings: None. It looks like the tool is checking for 2006 copyright dates now that we're in 2006, but that will be a problem for documents that were written in 2005. The BCP 78 error is interesting. The text is in the document, but it exists after the copyright notice. Did the tool skip it because of the copyright date error? -Scott- _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 04 08:40:37 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eu8sX-0008Ux-6m; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:40:37 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eu8sW-0008Us-0Z for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:40:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA01217 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.180]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu8xy-0000CM-Nd for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:46:16 -0500 Received: by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id DC23F3CA86; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:40:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B15D3C9EE; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:40:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5558037E45; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:40:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Eu8ry-0000xp-EK; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:40:02 +0100 Message-ID: <43BBD032.3000103@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:40:02 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Hollenbeck Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.84 feedback References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Scott, on 2006-01-03 20:01 Scott Hollenbeck said the following: > I just ran a document through the idnits checker. It produced some > unexpected results: [snip] > It looks like the tool is checking for 2006 copyright dates now that we're > in 2006, but that will be a problem for documents that were written in 2005. You're right, it's checking for copyright dates matching the current year. I think this is strictly speaking correct, but wouldn't mind adding a grace period just after each new year. (Of course, that conflicts with the current policy with respect to boilerplate, which is to require letter- perfect adherence, with a male author not even being permitted to change "he or she" to "he"; something I personally think is silly, but nevermind.) Any suggestion as to the length of such a grace period? Or should I instead add a switch to make it possible to say something like $ idnits --year 2005 draft-ietf-sieve-3431bis-04.txt and have idnits accept the given year instead of the current year in copyright text, maybe? > The BCP 78 error is interesting. The text is in the document, but it exists > after the copyright notice. Did the tool skip it because of the copyright > date error? Yes. If the text had been in a separate paragraph, it would have been recognized, but I do some extra work to also recognize multiple boiler-plate paragraphs which has been contracted into one. This is done by concatenating potential boilerplate paragraphs and matching the aggregate against the current paragraph, and thus fails when one of the parts in the input text fails to match. A strategy of instead trying to split paragraphs in the draft input into potential individual boilerplate paragraphs would not fail in this way, but would also (I think) be quite a bit more complex. I may consider re-writing to do in the future, but won't do it now. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 04 09:01:27 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eu9Ch-000577-29; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:01:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eu93b-0002pN-Kk for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:52:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA02453 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeke.toscano.org ([69.31.8.124] helo=zeke.ecotroph.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu994-0000az-Cj for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:57:43 -0500 Received: from dul1shollenbl1 ([::ffff:216.168.239.87]) (AUTH: LOGIN sah, SSL: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,RC4-MD5) by zeke.ecotroph.net with esmtp; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:51:14 -0500 id 0158802C.43BBD2D2.00007098 From: "Scott Hollenbeck" To: "'Henrik Levkowetz'" Subject: RE: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.84 feedback Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:52:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <43BBD032.3000103@levkowetz.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcYRNGnw3sfJiFN+TpSS1tdGWxzzoQAAKaSA Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 31247fb3be228bb596db9127becad0bc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:01:26 -0500 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:40 AM > To: Scott Hollenbeck > Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.84 feedback > > Hi Scott, > > on 2006-01-03 20:01 Scott Hollenbeck said the following: > > I just ran a document through the idnits checker. It produced some > > unexpected results: > > [snip] > > > It looks like the tool is checking for 2006 copyright dates > now that we're > > in 2006, but that will be a problem for documents that were > written in 2005. > > You're right, it's checking for copyright dates matching the > current year. > I think this is strictly speaking correct, but wouldn't mind > adding a grace > period just after each new year. (Of course, that conflicts with the > current policy with respect to boilerplate, which is to > require letter- > perfect adherence, with a male author not even being > permitted to change > "he or she" to "he"; something I personally think is silly, > but nevermind.) > > Any suggestion as to the length of such a grace period? > > Or should I instead add a switch to make it possible to say > something like > > $ idnits --year 2005 draft-ietf-sieve-3431bis-04.txt A switch sounds like a good idea. Maybe a text box on the web form, too? Of course, it's not really a big deal if the user recognizes what's going on. It's probably OK to just leave things as-is. I know that the current year needs to be checked when submitting a new document, but my use case is a little bit different: I also check documents that are being submitted to the IESG for evaluation. They might have been written in the prior year. > and have idnits accept the given year instead of the current > year in copyright > text, maybe? > > > The BCP 78 error is interesting. The text is in the > document, but it exists > > after the copyright notice. Did the tool skip it because > of the copyright > > date error? > > Yes. If the text had been in a separate paragraph, it would have been > recognized, but I do some extra work to also recognize > multiple boiler-plate > paragraphs which has been contracted into one. This is done > by concatenating > potential boilerplate paragraphs and matching the aggregate > against the > current paragraph, and thus fails when one of the parts in > the input text > fails to match. > > A strategy of instead trying to split paragraphs in the draft > input into > potential individual boilerplate paragraphs would not fail in > this way, but > would also (I think) be quite a bit more complex. I may > consider re-writing > to do in the future, but won't do it now. Again, it's no big deal. I just wanted to be sure that I was interpreting the output correctly. Thanks, -Scott- _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 04 09:05:40 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eu9Gm-0006LY-GS; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:05:40 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eu9Gk-0006LQ-Gs for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:05:38 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA03949 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu9ME-00016A-C7 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:11:19 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9E4898D0; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:05:12 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43BBD638.7060600@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:05:44 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Hollenbeck , "'Henrik Levkowetz'" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.84 feedback References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Get the date from the draft and use that to select the policy that should have been applied at that time... --Jari _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 04 09:18:34 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eu9TG-0000OK-TV; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:18:34 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eu9TF-0000OF-P4 for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:18:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA05461 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eu9Yj-0001ZB-B5 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:24:14 -0500 Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id C3EC23CC4D; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:18:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1AD3CC05; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:18:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4094F37E54; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:18:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Eu9T3-000515-Py; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:18:21 +0100 Message-ID: <43BBD92D.3060109@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:18:21 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jari Arkko Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.84 feedback References: <43BBD638.7060600@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <43BBD638.7060600@piuha.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Scott Hollenbeck , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org on 2006-01-04 15:05 Jari Arkko said the following: > Get the date from the draft and use that to > select the policy that should have been applied > at that time... That would work for Scott's use case, but not for submit-time checking. I've added a switch, now running regression testing of v1.85 . Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 04 10:05:38 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuACo-0002we-Sw; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:05:38 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuACn-0002wW-Cc for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:05:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11681 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuAIH-0003N3-EA for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:11:18 -0500 Received: by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 9E4BE3D1C7; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:05:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BB73D160; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:05:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7BE37E4D; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 16:05:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EuACY-0000pF-RD; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:05:22 +0100 Message-ID: <43BBE432.1050308@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:05:22 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.84 feedback References: <43BBD638.7060600@piuha.net> <43BBD92D.3060109@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <43BBD92D.3060109@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Scott Hollenbeck X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org idnits v1.85 is now available, adding a --year switch to accept a different year than the current year in copyright boilerplate. A corresponding field has also been added to the webservice at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits . Best, Henrik on 2006-01-04 15:18 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: [...] > I've added a switch, now running regression testing of v1.85 . _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 04 14:37:16 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuERg-00049T-6r; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:37:16 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuERe-00048u-Pe for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:37:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA15211 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuEXA-0005Pb-UC for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:42:58 -0500 Received: from e6.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.146]) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EuE2V-0006A5-7p for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:11:15 -0500 Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e6.ny.us.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k04J9wkQ008343 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:09:59 -0500 Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (d01av01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.215]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id k04J9wbx108966 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:09:58 -0500 Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k04J9wQu016347 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:09:58 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-237-113.mts.ibm.com [9.65.237.113]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k04J9vep016149; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:09:58 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k04J9pmd007809; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:09:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200601041909.k04J9pmd007809@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: Jari Arkko Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] FW: bug report on IETF and RFC Editor RFC directory sync In-Reply-To: Message from Jari Arkko of "Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:11:24 +0200." <43ABE96C.9010304@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:09:51 -0500 From: Thomas Narten X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Cc: IETF TOOLS discussion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org IMO, there would be much to say about having the RFC directory on the IETF site be an exact mirror of the one provided by the RFC Editor. That it does not most likely has to do with history, and we should move beyond that. Thomas _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 05 03:30:20 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuQVo-0001C4-3D; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 03:30:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuQVl-0001Bz-Vw for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 03:30:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA10748 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtagate4.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.137]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuQbP-0000OH-Bv for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 03:36:08 -0500 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate4.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k058Tf4X149102 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:29:41 GMT Received: from d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.216]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id k058TfeJ223738 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:29:41 GMT Received: from d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k058TeVq001593 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:29:41 GMT Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k058TeAp001590 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:29:40 GMT Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-249-55.de.ibm.com [9.145.249.55]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA51624 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:29:40 +0100 Message-ID: <43BCD8F2.80905@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:29:38 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fun with draft names X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org The IESG is reviewing draft-songlee-aes-cmac, and at the same time draft-songlee-aes-cmac-96 is in IETF Last Call. Need I explain why this has caused confusion? Tool writers, beware. (http://tools.ietf.org/id/ seems just fine, BTW) Brian _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 05 08:04:27 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuUn5-0003cS-En; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:04:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuUn1-0003bO-PI for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:04:25 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA10706 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:03:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtagate1.de.ibm.com ([195.212.29.150]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuUsi-00019v-Ev for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:10:17 -0500 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate1.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k05D4Ag7247364 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:04:11 GMT Received: from d12av03.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av03.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.213]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id k05D477M226888 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:04:07 +0100 Received: from d12av03.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av03.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05D47pN005880 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:04:07 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d12av03.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k05D46Yv005848; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:04:06 +0100 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-249-55.de.ibm.com [9.145.249.55]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA81194; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:04:03 +0100 Message-ID: <43BD193F.3080305@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:03:59 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Narten Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] FW: bug report on IETF and RFC Editor RFC directory sync References: <200601041909.k04J9pmd007809@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <200601041909.k04J9pmd007809@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jari Arkko , IETF TOOLS discussion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thomas Narten wrote: > IMO, there would be much to say about having the RFC directory on the > IETF site be an exact mirror of the one provided by the RFC > Editor. That it does not most likely has to do with history, and we > should move beyond that. I tend to agree, but let's declare that a detail that Ray will work out with the secretariat. Brian _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 05 11:49:10 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuYIY-0002W2-FD; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:49:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuMjT-0006Ni-7I for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:28:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA17662 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from nutshell.tislabs.com ([192.94.214.100] ident=firewall-user) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuMp4-0000lt-MG for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:33:59 -0500 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nutshell.tislabs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id k054NVKj020880 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from filbert.tislabs.com(10.66.1.10) by nutshell.tislabs.com via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAGGa4UO; Wed, 4 Jan 06 23:23:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (weiler@localhost) by tislabs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k054PbOE020574 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:25:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:25:37 -0500 (EST) From: Samuel Weiler X-X-Sender: weiler@filbert To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:49:08 -0500 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Feature request: diffs for non-WG drafts (fwd) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Would you consider adding diff/nit pages for non-WG drafts, perhaps with a search-engine interface to find them? (Or just tell me where they already are, if I've missed them.) I know I could feed different versions of drafts into the diff tool myself, but I absolutely love having the precomputed diffs (and, perhaps more importantly, the draft index page showing all of them). Example: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-trans/ -- Sam _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 05 11:58:47 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuYRr-0006Ko-7t; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:58:47 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuYRp-0006K3-Re for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:58:45 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09482 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuYXV-0001jA-2E for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:04:40 -0500 Received: by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id ECB3B37E92; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:44:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B807637E49; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:44:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9354C37E43; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:58:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EuYRF-0002c3-RM; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:58:09 +0100 Message-ID: <43BD501F.7050702@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:58:07 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Samuel Weiler Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Feature request: diffs for non-WG drafts (fwd) References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Sam, on 2006-01-05 05:25 Samuel Weiler said the following: > Would you consider adding diff/nit pages for non-WG drafts, perhaps > with a search-engine interface to find them? (Or just tell me where > they already are, if I've missed them.) Yes, this is on my to-do list; when I originally set up the WG pages I didn't have the necessary disk space and computing power to provide this, but with the recent aquisition of a new tools server, that should be history. > I know I could feed different versions of drafts into the diff tool > myself, but I absolutely love having the precomputed diffs (and, > perhaps more importantly, the draft index page showing all of them). Yes, I know what you mean, and I agree. Expect this to be available some time in February. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 09 16:25:00 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ew4Vg-0002vP-2d; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:25:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ew4Vd-0002sb-WA for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:24:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA29763 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ew4cB-0006TZ-S5 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:31:45 -0500 Received: from [128.9.168.162] (neo.isi.edu [128.9.168.162]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k09LO3Q11703; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:24:03 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Message-Id: <0B901422-5E77-4D90-A9B8-06CB6510F61C@ISI.EDU> From: Aaron Falk Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:24:00 -0800 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: falk@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: RFC Editor Subject: [Tools-discuss] chair, AD email addresses X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1293390374==" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1293390374== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-21--379149603" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-21--379149603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tool Teamers- It would be particularly helpful for the RFC Editor if there was a repository containing contact information for working groups. Minimally this would be a file mapping working group name to working group chair, area director, and mailing list email addresses. Like so: wg acronym: {wgchair1 email}+ {area director email}+ wg-maillist Optimally, a mapping would be available for each IETF document: draftstring: wgacronym wgchair email ad email wg mail list This would reduce a fair amount of manual data entry and screen scraping in the RFC Editor. Many thanks, --aaron --Apple-Mail-21--379149603 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDwtRy/i95hBY97NERAoJDAKCQuy1wieP0sq/n7HxyXJJEnStfjQCdHLNf z/zf6iL4B/anTYjIeGnRj5Y= =cJIa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-21--379149603-- --===============1293390374== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1293390374==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 10 05:18:28 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwGaC-0001Wx-57; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:18:28 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwGaA-0001Ws-En for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:18:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA19430 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtagate1.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.134]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwGgq-0003pQ-PS for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:25:21 -0500 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate1.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0AAHIsE232704 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:17:29 GMT Received: from d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.228]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id k0AAH954047992 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:17:09 GMT Received: from d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AAH8qT007172 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:17:08 GMT Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0AAH8Fg007168; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:17:08 GMT Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-252-37.de.ibm.com [9.145.252.37]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25376; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:17:07 +0100 Message-ID: <43C389A1.6060904@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:17:05 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aaron Falk Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] chair, AD email addresses References: <0B901422-5E77-4D90-A9B8-06CB6510F61C@ISI.EDU> In-Reply-To: <0B901422-5E77-4D90-A9B8-06CB6510F61C@ISI.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, RFC Editor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org It seems likely to me that this should be a secretariat tool, not a community tool. They have all that stuff internally. The I-D tracker uses some of it already, I believe. Brian Aaron Falk wrote: > Hi Tool Teamers- > > It would be particularly helpful for the RFC Editor if there was a > repository containing contact information for working groups. > Minimally this would be a file mapping working group name to working > group chair, area director, and mailing list email addresses. Like so: > > wg acronym: > {wgchair1 email}+ > {area director email}+ > wg-maillist > > Optimally, a mapping would be available for each IETF document: > > draftstring: > wgacronym > wgchair email > ad email > wg mail list > > This would reduce a fair amount of manual data entry and screen > scraping in the RFC Editor. > > Many thanks, > > --aaron > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 10 08:31:52 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwJbM-0004Nt-LD; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:31:52 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwJbK-0004No-Bm for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:31:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA02105 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.143]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwJi1-00011r-Cq for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:38:46 -0500 Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0ADVTI7027235 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:31:29 -0500 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id k0ADVTK5119418 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:31:29 -0500 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0ADVJvO005679 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:31:19 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-212-120.mts.ibm.com [9.65.212.120]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0ADVJo4005098; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:31:19 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k0ADV6b9027336; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:31:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200601101331.k0ADV6b9027336@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: Brian E Carpenter Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] chair, AD email addresses In-Reply-To: Message from Brian E Carpenter of "Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:17:05 +0100." <43C389A1.6060904@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:31:06 -0500 From: Thomas Narten X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Cc: Aaron Falk , tools-discuss@ietf.org, RFC Editor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org > It seems likely to me that this should be a secretariat > tool, not a community tool. They have all that stuff internally. > The I-D tracker uses some of it already, I believe. I agree. What is the mechanism for getting it added to a "todo" or "wishlist", so that it gets proper consideration? Thomas _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 10 08:32:41 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwJc9-0004UN-2z; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:32:41 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwJc8-0004Tt-5K for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:32:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA02136 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:31:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([158.38.152.233]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwJin-00012o-C8 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:39:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62746259700; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:31:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17382-02; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:31:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (163.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.163]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7E42596FE; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:31:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:32:23 +0100 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand To: Aaron Falk , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] chair, AD email addresses Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0B901422-5E77-4D90-A9B8-06CB6510F61C@ISI.EDU> References: <0B901422-5E77-4D90-A9B8-06CB6510F61C@ISI.EDU> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: RFC Editor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --On mandag, januar 09, 2006 13:24:00 -0800 Aaron Falk wrote: > Hi Tool Teamers- > > It would be particularly helpful for the RFC Editor if there was a > repository containing contact information for working groups. Minimally > this would be a file mapping working group name to working group chair, > area director, and mailing list email addresses. Like so: > > wg acronym: > {wgchair1 email}+ > {area director email}+ > wg-maillist if the WG charters were made available in a more parseable format, they would fulfil exactly this need.... charter.xml anyone? Or the famed mysql dump of the database it's generated from? > Optimally, a mapping would be available for each IETF document: > > draftstring: > wgacronym > wgchair email > ad email > wg mail list don't forget "author/editor email" - that information is useful too. _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 10 09:54:44 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwKtY-0007gI-3N; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:54:44 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwKtW-0007g9-Ol for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:54:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA08115 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtagate4.de.ibm.com ([195.212.29.153]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwL0D-0003eH-Gw for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:01:40 -0500 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate4.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0AEsBln216024 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:54:12 GMT Received: from d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.229]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id k0AErq63184166 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:53:52 +0100 Received: from d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0AErqvJ025935 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:53:52 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0AErqbd025924; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:53:52 +0100 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-252-37.de.ibm.com [9.145.252.37]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA80728; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:53:49 +0100 Message-ID: <43C3CA75.8050807@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:53:41 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Narten Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] chair, AD email addresses References: <200601101331.k0ADV6b9027336@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <200601101331.k0ADV6b9027336@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Aaron Falk , tools-discuss@ietf.org, RFC Editor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thomas Narten wrote: >>It seems likely to me that this should be a secretariat >>tool, not a community tool. They have all that stuff internally. >>The I-D tracker uses some of it already, I believe. > > > I agree. What is the mechanism for getting it added to a "todo" or > "wishlist", so that it gets proper consideration? Put together a brief spec and ship it to Ray so that it can go into the tools wish list he has to build for secretariat tool updates. Brian _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 11 18:15:55 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwpC7-0000Vv-KK; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:15:55 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwpC6-0000UV-GU for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:15:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA23078 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwpJ3-0003t3-4e for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:23:08 -0500 Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id C09D237EF8; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:15:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8905B37E61; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:15:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7897E37E42; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:15:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EwpBt-0007Zg-41; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:15:41 +0100 Message-ID: <43C5919D.8020906@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:15:41 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aaron Falk Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] chair, AD email addresses References: <0B901422-5E77-4D90-A9B8-06CB6510F61C@ISI.EDU> In-Reply-To: <0B901422-5E77-4D90-A9B8-06CB6510F61C@ISI.EDU> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, RFC Editor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Aaron, Sorry for the late reply - but it's maybe a rather good one, on the other hand: A lot of what you specify below is already available, re-generated daily, here: http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-summary.txt What's missing in this file is which AD is the Area Advisor to the WG. I can probably extract that from the WG charters, resulting in a file which includes that too, but it would be even better if that information was generated directly by the secretariat, too. I'll include the mapping from draft-string to the WG and are information when I get to the point of setting up individual draft information areas for all drafts, hopefully during February. Regards, Henrik on 2006-01-09 22:24 Aaron Falk said the following: > Hi Tool Teamers- > > It would be particularly helpful for the RFC Editor if there was a > repository containing contact information for working groups. > Minimally this would be a file mapping working group name to working > group chair, area director, and mailing list email addresses. Like so: > > wg acronym: > {wgchair1 email}+ > {area director email}+ > wg-maillist > > Optimally, a mapping would be available for each IETF document: > > draftstring: > wgacronym > wgchair email > ad email > wg mail list > > This would reduce a fair amount of manual data entry and screen > scraping in the RFC Editor. > > Many thanks, > > --aaron > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 11 19:23:23 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwqFP-0006RX-Ov; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:23:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwqFN-0006RP-U4 for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:23:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA29802 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwqMO-0006kC-2e for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:30:36 -0500 Received: by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id EF7F237EA4; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:23:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD3E37E62; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:23:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76ED37E42; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:23:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EwqFA-0001ct-6q; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:23:08 +0100 Message-ID: <43C5A16B.4040304@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:23:07 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] chair, AD email addresses References: <0B901422-5E77-4D90-A9B8-06CB6510F61C@ISI.EDU> <43C5919D.8020906@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <43C5919D.8020906@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 67c1ea29f88502ef6a32ccec927970f0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Aaron Falk , tools-discuss@ietf.org, RFC Editor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Following up on this, I made a quickie script which brought up some questions which probably should be covered when requesting something like this from the IAD, too: I'm currently updating this when anything changes in the contact information for WGs: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/wg-emails.txt That file contains the wg tag and contact emails according to your specification below, with the change that the emails are not listed in any specific order. Example: -------- atompub rubys@intertwingly.net hardie@qualcomm.com paul.hoffman@vpnc.org tbray@textuality.com sah@428cobrajet.net atom-syntax@imc.org -------- Questions: * Should both ADs be listed, or only the sheperding AD (the Area Advisor for the WG)? * Should there be only the email address, or would it be acceptable with lines containing both Name and Email, like this: Paul Hoffman Tim Bray (If you're feeding the information into e.g. sendmail, it will handle a recipient given as "Paul Hoffman " just fine, and receiving a mail with both name and address is maybe a bit nicer...) * Should the addresses include the addresses of secretaries and technical advisors to the WG? The list I'm currently generating does that. * Is there any required order in which to list the addresses? In the current list, the way I do duplicate email elimination results in 'random' ordering of the email addresses. Regards, Henrik on 2006-01-12 00:15 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: > Hi Aaron, > > Sorry for the late reply - but it's maybe a rather good one, on the > other hand: > > A lot of what you specify below is already available, re-generated daily, > here: > > http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-summary.txt > > What's missing in this file is which AD is the Area Advisor to the WG. > I can probably extract that from the WG charters, resulting in a file > which includes that too, but it would be even better if that information > was generated directly by the secretariat, too. > > I'll include the mapping from draft-string to the WG and are information > when I get to the point of setting up individual draft information areas > for all drafts, hopefully during February. > > Regards, > > Henrik > > on 2006-01-09 22:24 Aaron Falk said the following: >> Hi Tool Teamers- >> >> It would be particularly helpful for the RFC Editor if there was a >> repository containing contact information for working groups. >> Minimally this would be a file mapping working group name to working >> group chair, area director, and mailing list email addresses. Like so: >> >> wg acronym: >> {wgchair1 email}+ >> {area director email}+ >> wg-maillist >> >> Optimally, a mapping would be available for each IETF document: >> >> draftstring: >> wgacronym >> wgchair email >> ad email >> wg mail list >> >> This would reduce a fair amount of manual data entry and screen >> scraping in the RFC Editor. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> --aaron >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 11 20:05:18 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewqty-0000Hk-9I; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:05:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewqtw-0000Ha-EY for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:05:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA02091 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ewr0w-0007n6-2I for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:12:31 -0500 Received: from [128.9.168.162] (neo.isi.edu [128.9.168.162]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k0C14EQ13934; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:04:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <43C5A16B.4040304@levkowetz.com> References: <0B901422-5E77-4D90-A9B8-06CB6510F61C@ISI.EDU> <43C5919D.8020906@levkowetz.com> <43C5A16B.4040304@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Message-Id: <4AB754B5-DF74-448C-9C6C-D25F9297C6BC@ISI.EDU> From: Aaron Falk Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] chair, AD email addresses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:04:06 -0800 To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: falk@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, RFC Editor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0994917274==" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0994917274== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1--193143470" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-1--193143470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 11, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Following up on this, I made a quickie script cool! > > Questions: > > * Should both ADs be listed, or only the sheperding AD (the > Area Advisor for the WG)? The RFC Ed procedure is to cc both ADs. > > * Should there be only the email address, or would it be > acceptable with lines containing both Name and Email, like > this: > Paul Hoffman > Tim Bray This is fine and a bit easier when you want to confirm who is receiving the msg. > > * Should the addresses include the addresses of secretaries > and technical advisors to the WG? The list I'm currently > generating does that. Um. The RFC Editor generally does not include these other folks on email about documents. I could see cc'ing the wg secretary but I think we would rely on the wg chairs forwarding the mail to the technical advisors should it be necessary. If names were associated with roles, extranneous information would not be a problem and we could use (or not) only the addresses which were appropriate. > > * Is there any required order in which to list the addresses? > In the current list, the way I do duplicate email elimination > results in 'random' ordering of the email addresses. Since many of us wear multiple hats, I think it would be helpful to see whether someone is a wg chair, AD, secretary, or other role to ensure people understand what is expected of them. Ordering is not important to me if this information is available. --aaron --Apple-Mail-1--193143470 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDxasI/i95hBY97NERAlYKAJ9bkAQ6axK3DR2SqZ/T4lGn/nhbnwCgkLlc Z+8SxohFwwMTuWq2d0Czq8A= =BpmY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1--193143470-- --===============0994917274== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0994917274==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 11 20:48:10 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwrZS-0001Jx-0F; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:48:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwrZR-0001Js-1f for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:48:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA04284 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:46:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwrgM-0000Sw-NU for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:55:24 -0500 Received: by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 3776A37F3F; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:47:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E755437E62; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:47:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB29F37E42; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:47:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EwrZ0-0004jt-98; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:47:42 +0100 Message-ID: <43C5B53E.1060809@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:47:42 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aaron Falk Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] chair, AD email addresses References: <0B901422-5E77-4D90-A9B8-06CB6510F61C@ISI.EDU> <43C5919D.8020906@levkowetz.com> <43C5A16B.4040304@levkowetz.com> <4AB754B5-DF74-448C-9C6C-D25F9297C6BC@ISI.EDU> In-Reply-To: <4AB754B5-DF74-448C-9C6C-D25F9297C6BC@ISI.EDU> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, RFC Editor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi again Aaron, on 2006-01-12 02:04 Aaron Falk said the following: > On Jan 11, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> Following up on this, I made a quickie script > > cool! > >> >> Questions: >> >> * Should both ADs be listed, or only the sheperding AD (the >> Area Advisor for the WG)? > > The RFC Ed procedure is to cc both ADs. Ok. >> >> * Should there be only the email address, or would it be >> acceptable with lines containing both Name and Email, like >> this: >> Paul Hoffman >> Tim Bray > > This is fine and a bit easier when you want to confirm who is > receiving the msg. Right. >> >> * Should the addresses include the addresses of secretaries >> and technical advisors to the WG? The list I'm currently >> generating does that. > > Um. The RFC Editor generally does not include these other folks on > email about documents. I could see cc'ing the wg secretary but I > think we would rely on the wg chairs forwarding the mail to the > technical advisors should it be necessary. If names were associated > with roles, extranneous information would not be a problem and we > could use (or not) only the addresses which were appropriate. Ah, ok. I'll add roles, then. >> >> * Is there any required order in which to list the addresses? >> In the current list, the way I do duplicate email elimination >> results in 'random' ordering of the email addresses. > > Since many of us wear multiple hats, I think it would be helpful to > see whether someone is a wg chair, AD, secretary, or other role to > ensure people understand what is expected of them. Ordering is not > important to me if this information is available. Ok. I've tweaked things a bit, and would like you to check out this file: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/wg-contacts.txt Here's an excerpt: -------- atompub Chair(s): Paul Hoffman Tim Bray Applications Area Director(s): Ted Hardie Scott Hollenbeck Applications Area Advisor: Scott Hollenbeck Secretary(ies): Sam Ruby List: atom-syntax@imc.org -------- Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 11 22:28:06 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewt8A-0002yj-Gv; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:28:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewt89-0002ye-1E for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:28:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA16121 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwtF9-0005HG-RX for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:35:21 -0500 Received: from [10.0.1.4] (static-71-246-51-26.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.246.51.26]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k0C3R6Q10475; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:27:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <43C5B53E.1060809@levkowetz.com> References: <0B901422-5E77-4D90-A9B8-06CB6510F61C@ISI.EDU> <43C5919D.8020906@levkowetz.com> <43C5A16B.4040304@levkowetz.com> <4AB754B5-DF74-448C-9C6C-D25F9297C6BC@ISI.EDU> <43C5B53E.1060809@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8F024CF7-CAA1-4D3F-B3AC-E54D777DA622@ISI.EDU> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Aaron Falk Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] chair, AD email addresses Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:27:04 -0800 To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: falk@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, RFC Editor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On Jan 11, 2006, at 5:47 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Ok. I've tweaked things a bit, and would like you to check out > this file: > > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/wg-contacts.txt > > Here's an excerpt: > > -------- > atompub > Chair(s): > Paul Hoffman > Tim Bray > Applications Area Director(s): > Ted Hardie > Scott Hollenbeck > Applications Area Advisor: > Scott Hollenbeck > Secretary(ies): > Sam Ruby > List: > atom-syntax@imc.org This looks pretty good. Give us a chance to play with it a bit and we'll let you know if we run into any problems. Of course, XML would make it easier to parse but this should be fine. --aaron _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 12 03:23:41 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwxkD-0005fx-Ja; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:23:41 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwxkC-0005fs-Cx for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:23:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA00780 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwxrF-00048T-J1 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:30:59 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CFC898E9; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:23:13 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43C61210.1010809@piuha.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:23:44 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] chair, AD email addresses References: <0B901422-5E77-4D90-A9B8-06CB6510F61C@ISI.EDU> <43C5919D.8020906@levkowetz.com> <43C5A16B.4040304@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <43C5A16B.4040304@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2ed806e2f53ff1a061ad4f97e00345ac Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Aaron Falk , tools-discuss@ietf.org, RFC Editor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org It might be an idea to include some tags that indicate the role of the e-mail in question (e.g., "list" "chair" "ad" "advisor"). This would allow automatic retrievial for different purposes. --Jari Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >Following up on this, I made a quickie script which brought up some >questions which probably should be covered when requesting something >like this from the IAD, too: > >I'm currently updating this when anything changes in the contact >information for WGs: > > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/wg-emails.txt > >That file contains the wg tag and contact emails according to your >specification below, with the change that the emails are not listed >in any specific order. Example: > >-------- >atompub > rubys@intertwingly.net > hardie@qualcomm.com > paul.hoffman@vpnc.org > tbray@textuality.com > sah@428cobrajet.net > atom-syntax@imc.org >-------- > >Questions: > > * Should both ADs be listed, or only the sheperding AD (the > Area Advisor for the WG)? > > * Should there be only the email address, or would it be > acceptable with lines containing both Name and Email, like > this: > Paul Hoffman > Tim Bray > (If you're feeding the information into e.g. sendmail, it > will handle a recipient given as "Paul Hoffman " > just fine, and receiving a mail with both name and address is > maybe a bit nicer...) > > * Should the addresses include the addresses of secretaries > and technical advisors to the WG? The list I'm currently > generating does that. > > * Is there any required order in which to list the addresses? > In the current list, the way I do duplicate email elimination > results in 'random' ordering of the email addresses. > > > >Regards, > > Henrik > > > >on 2006-01-12 00:15 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: > > >>Hi Aaron, >> >> Sorry for the late reply - but it's maybe a rather good one, on the >>other hand: >> >>A lot of what you specify below is already available, re-generated daily, >>here: >> >> http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-summary.txt >> >>What's missing in this file is which AD is the Area Advisor to the WG. >>I can probably extract that from the WG charters, resulting in a file >>which includes that too, but it would be even better if that information >>was generated directly by the secretariat, too. >> >>I'll include the mapping from draft-string to the WG and are information >>when I get to the point of setting up individual draft information areas >>for all drafts, hopefully during February. >> >>Regards, >> >> Henrik >> >>on 2006-01-09 22:24 Aaron Falk said the following: >> >> >>>Hi Tool Teamers- >>> >>>It would be particularly helpful for the RFC Editor if there was a >>>repository containing contact information for working groups. >>>Minimally this would be a file mapping working group name to working >>>group chair, area director, and mailing list email addresses. Like so: >>> >>>wg acronym: >>> {wgchair1 email}+ >>> {area director email}+ >>> wg-maillist >>> >>>Optimally, a mapping would be available for each IETF document: >>> >>>draftstring: >>> wgacronym >>> wgchair email >>> ad email >>> wg mail list >>> >>>This would reduce a fair amount of manual data entry and screen >>>scraping in the RFC Editor. >>> >>>Many thanks, >>> >>>--aaron >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Tools-discuss mailing list >>>Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Tools-discuss mailing list >>Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Tools-discuss mailing list >Tools-discuss@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 12 03:25:46 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwxmE-0006Su-8N; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:25:46 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwxmC-0006Sp-DV for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:25:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA00888 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EwxtF-0004C2-FU for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:33:03 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D671898E9; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:25:33 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43C6129B.4070301@piuha.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:26:03 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] chair, AD email addresses References: <0B901422-5E77-4D90-A9B8-06CB6510F61C@ISI.EDU> <43C5919D.8020906@levkowetz.com> <43C5A16B.4040304@levkowetz.com> <43C61210.1010809@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <43C61210.1010809@piuha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd3fc8e909678b38737fc606dec187f0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Aaron Falk , tools-discuss@ietf.org, RFC Editor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Never mind. I saw your other e-mail now with the link that did have that information, too (http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-summary.txt) Thanks. Back to your regularly scheduled tools discussion... Jari Arkko wrote: > > It might be an idea to include some tags that > indicate the role of the e-mail in question (e.g., > "list" "chair" "ad" "advisor"). This would allow > automatic retrievial for different purposes. > > --Jari > > Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> Following up on this, I made a quickie script which brought up some >> questions which probably should be covered when requesting something >> like this from the IAD, too: >> >> I'm currently updating this when anything changes in the contact >> information for WGs: >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/wg-emails.txt >> >> That file contains the wg tag and contact emails according to your >> specification below, with the change that the emails are not listed >> in any specific order. Example: >> >> -------- >> atompub >> rubys@intertwingly.net >> hardie@qualcomm.com >> paul.hoffman@vpnc.org >> tbray@textuality.com >> sah@428cobrajet.net >> atom-syntax@imc.org >> -------- >> >> Questions: >> >> * Should both ADs be listed, or only the sheperding AD (the >> Area Advisor for the WG)? >> >> * Should there be only the email address, or would it be >> acceptable with lines containing both Name and Email, like >> this: Paul Hoffman >> Tim Bray >> (If you're feeding the information into e.g. sendmail, it >> will handle a recipient given as "Paul Hoffman >> " >> just fine, and receiving a mail with both name and address is >> maybe a bit nicer...) >> >> * Should the addresses include the addresses of secretaries >> and technical advisors to the WG? The list I'm currently >> generating does that. >> >> * Is there any required order in which to list the addresses? >> In the current list, the way I do duplicate email elimination >> results in 'random' ordering of the email addresses. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Henrik >> >> >> >> on 2006-01-12 00:15 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: >> >> >>> Hi Aaron, >>> >>> Sorry for the late reply - but it's maybe a rather good one, on the >>> other hand: >>> >>> A lot of what you specify below is already available, re-generated >>> daily, >>> here: >>> >>> http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-summary.txt >>> >>> What's missing in this file is which AD is the Area Advisor to the WG. >>> I can probably extract that from the WG charters, resulting in a file >>> which includes that too, but it would be even better if that >>> information >>> was generated directly by the secretariat, too. >>> >>> I'll include the mapping from draft-string to the WG and are >>> information >>> when I get to the point of setting up individual draft information >>> areas >>> for all drafts, hopefully during February. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Henrik >>> >>> on 2006-01-09 22:24 Aaron Falk said the following: >>> >>> >>>> Hi Tool Teamers- >>>> >>>> It would be particularly helpful for the RFC Editor if there was a >>>> repository containing contact information for working groups. >>>> Minimally this would be a file mapping working group name to >>>> working group chair, area director, and mailing list email >>>> addresses. Like so: >>>> >>>> wg acronym: >>>> {wgchair1 email}+ >>>> {area director email}+ >>>> wg-maillist >>>> >>>> Optimally, a mapping would be available for each IETF document: >>>> >>>> draftstring: >>>> wgacronym >>>> wgchair email >>>> ad email >>>> wg mail list >>>> >>>> This would reduce a fair amount of manual data entry and screen >>>> scraping in the RFC Editor. >>>> >>>> Many thanks, >>>> >>>> --aaron >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 12 10:27:49 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ex4Mf-0003Oe-7e; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:27:49 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ex4Me-0003OT-1v for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:27:48 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA24308 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from e33.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.151]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ex4Tj-0007Ih-9P for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:35:08 -0500 Received: from d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.106]) by e33.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0CFRZiJ002561 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:27:35 -0500 Received: from d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.168]) by d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id k0CFTdNo156462 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:29:39 -0700 Received: from d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFRY2o018009 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:27:34 -0700 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-49-145-64.mts.ibm.com [9.49.145.64]) by d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0CFRX7V017954 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:27:34 -0700 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k0CFRYLs008654 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:27:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200601121527.k0CFRYLs008654@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:27:34 -0500 From: Thomas Narten X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Subject: [Tools-discuss] text file with charters, et al. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org One other file I've found useful is ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-charters.txt (i.e., I keep a copy cached on my laptop at all times). But, it doesn't contain WG milestones. Is there a flat file somewhere that contains all the info about (all) WGs that one normally finds on the charter page? Thomas _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 12 17:13:46 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ExAhW-0002HG-UG; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:13:46 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ExAhV-0002Gt-KO for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:13:45 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA00240 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:12:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.186]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExAoc-0005u9-PR for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:21:11 -0500 Received: by av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 9EB9837FC9; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:13:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6749737F8B; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:13:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D2D37E48; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:13:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ExAgy-0003jM-KX; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:13:12 +0100 Message-ID: <43C6D478.3070106@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:13:12 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Narten Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] text file with charters, et al. References: <200601121527.k0CFRYLs008654@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <200601121527.k0CFRYLs008654@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org on 2006-01-12 16:27 Thomas Narten said the following: > One other file I've found useful is > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-charters.txt > > (i.e., I keep a copy cached on my laptop at all times). > > But, it doesn't contain WG milestones. > > Is there a flat file somewhere that contains all the info about (all) > WGs that one normally finds on the charter page? Not to my knowledge. The most complete one I know for this is the one you mention above. (The information for Aaron was extracted from it.) Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 13 08:34:18 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ExP4M-0006di-Sy; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:34:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ExP4J-0006cs-C4 for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:34:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA05556 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([158.38.152.233]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExPBc-0003Jn-E2 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:41:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB1F259718; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:33:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11464-06; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:32:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (163.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.163]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595C325971B; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:32:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:33:59 +0100 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand To: Henrik Levkowetz , Thomas Narten Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] text file with charters, et al. Message-ID: <04E326FC30BB2B8431E118B6@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: <43C6D478.3070106@levkowetz.com> References: <200601121527.k0CFRYLs008654@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <43C6D478.3070106@levkowetz.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Does anyone want a copy of the scripts I used to create this page? http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/milestones/milestones.html (hmm... cronjob has died. Must update.) Another Great Screenscraper. Harald --On torsdag, januar 12, 2006 23:13:12 +0100 Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > > > on 2006-01-12 16:27 Thomas Narten said the following: >> One other file I've found useful is >> >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-charters.txt >> >> (i.e., I keep a copy cached on my laptop at all times). >> >> But, it doesn't contain WG milestones. >> >> Is there a flat file somewhere that contains all the info about (all) >> WGs that one normally finds on the charter page? > > Not to my knowledge. The most complete one I know for this is > the one you mention above. (The information for Aaron was > extracted from it.) > > > Henrik > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 13 10:17:50 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ExQgY-00027k-3M; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:17:50 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ExQgV-00027L-KB for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:17:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA12547 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExQno-0007MK-5a for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:25:22 -0500 Received: by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id B785E380A9; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:17:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FD937FC7; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:17:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3768B37E4D; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:17:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ExQg7-0005O8-N5; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:17:23 +0100 Message-ID: <43C7C483.3040100@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:17:23 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] text file with charters, et al. References: <200601121527.k0CFRYLs008654@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <43C6D478.3070106@levkowetz.com> <04E326FC30BB2B8431E118B6@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: <04E326FC30BB2B8431E118B6@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Thomas Narten , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Looks like a useful overview. Why not put in a link to the source of the generating scripts at the bottom? Then it's possible to grab them when the need pops up :-) With your permission, I'll add a notice to the tools inventory pages pointing to this page? Henrik on 2006-01-13 14:33 Harald Tveit Alvestrand said the following: > Does anyone want a copy of the scripts I used to create this page? > > http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/milestones/milestones.html > > (hmm... cronjob has died. Must update.) > > Another Great Screenscraper. > > Harald > > --On torsdag, januar 12, 2006 23:13:12 +0100 Henrik Levkowetz > wrote: > >> >> >> on 2006-01-12 16:27 Thomas Narten said the following: >>> One other file I've found useful is >>> >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-charters.txt >>> >>> (i.e., I keep a copy cached on my laptop at all times). >>> >>> But, it doesn't contain WG milestones. >>> >>> Is there a flat file somewhere that contains all the info about (all) >>> WGs that one normally finds on the charter page? >> >> Not to my knowledge. The most complete one I know for this is >> the one you mention above. (The information for Aaron was >> extracted from it.) >> >> >> Henrik >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jan 15 12:38:47 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyBlA-0007NZ-Qp; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:33:44 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyBfo-0005w0-5d for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:28:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA09857 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([158.38.152.233]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ExiyW-0004AM-KR for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:49:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43397259711; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:40:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19408-08; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:40:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (163.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.163]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A975725970B; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:40:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:41:38 +0100 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] text file with charters, et al. Message-ID: <0CCED7456573919AD36FCEB7@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: <43C7C483.3040100@levkowetz.com> References: <200601121527.k0CFRYLs008654@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <43C6D478.3070106@levkowetz.com> <04E326FC30BB2B8431E118B6@svartdal.hjemme.alvestrand.no> <43C7C483.3040100@levkowetz.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Thomas Narten , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --On fredag, januar 13, 2006 16:17:23 +0100 Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Looks like a useful overview. > > Why not put in a link to the source of the generating scripts at the > bottom? Then it's possible to grab them when the need pops up :-) reasonable idea. I'll see what I can do. > With your permission, I'll add a notice to the tools inventory pages > pointing to this page? Sure! (the cronjob now works again, too...) _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jan 15 14:55:31 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyDyN-0002cP-Jp; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:55:31 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyDyL-0002cK-FY for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:55:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA11113 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:54:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200601151954.OAA11113@ietf.org> Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] ident=mailnull) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EyE67-0000eB-7C for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:03:32 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=psg.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EyDyF-000C8a-T3; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:55:23 +0000 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.85 - requesting a further feature Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:55:23 -0800 From: Allison Mankin X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Henrik, Would it be hard to add checking of Section 6A and 6B of http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html to Idnits when you next update? The shepherds and ADs vet a lot of example addresses. It's pretty easy to catch problem FQDNs by eye, but problem literals can slip through more readily, especially if most of the literals in a document have been switched to comply with RFC 3330/RFC 3849, but a few have been missed. The IESG ends up catching 6A/6B nits often. Allison _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jan 15 20:04:40 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyInY-0000Tm-AA; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:04:40 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyInW-0000TN-W3 for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:04:39 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA28599 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EyIvJ-0002cz-8g for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:12:44 -0500 Received: by av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 903FE37F62; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:04:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6C337F3B; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:04:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F2C37E42; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:04:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EyIn7-00006A-F8; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:04:13 +0100 Message-ID: <43CAF10D.60001@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 02:04:13 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allison Mankin Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.85 - requesting a further feature X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Allison, on 2006-01-15 20:55 Allison Mankin said the following: > Hi, Henrik, > > Would it be hard to add checking of Section 6A and 6B of > http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html to Idnits when you next > update? I assume you mean Section 3, items 6A and 6B. > The shepherds and ADs vet a lot of example addresses. It's > pretty easy to catch problem FQDNs by eye, but problem literals > can slip through more readily, especially if most of the literals > in a document have been switched to comply with RFC 3330/RFC 3849, > but a few have been missed. > > The IESG ends up catching 6A/6B nits often. The checks I can imagine for this would be 1. Anything which matches a typical FQDN: ([a-z0-9-_]+\.)+[a-z0-9-_]+\.[a-z0-9-_]+ should also match ([a-z0-9-_]+\.)+example.(com|org|net) 2. Anything which matches an explicit IPv4 address: [0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\ should also match 192\.0\.2\.[0-9]+ 3. Anything which matches an explicit IPv6 address: [0-9a-fA-F]+:(([0-9a-fA-F]*):)* should also match 2001:DB8:(([0-9a-fA-F]*):)* Of course, if a document proposes an explicit IANA allocation of a specific non-example prefix, that will violate this. I could still issue a warning for this, which people who really were proposing a specific prefix allocation would have to ignore. If the above looks sensible to you, I'll put it in the next version of idnits. Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 16 03:45:20 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyPzM-0007xm-25; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 03:45:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyPzK-0007wr-9i for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 03:45:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA24465 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 03:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk ([81.187.81.52] helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EyQ7C-0008Ga-Lv for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 03:53:27 -0500 Received: from 247.254.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.254.247] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1EyPyu-0005b4-Dd; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:44:52 +0000 Message-ID: <43CB5D83.6090001@dial.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:46:59 +0000 From: Elwyn Davies User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: webmaster@tools.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: [Tools-discuss] Broken online tools service X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi. The online tools service is broken at the moment. All the online tools are delivering something like the following message as of 08.45 GMT today Monday 16 January. Regards, Elwyn Server error! The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Error message: Premature end of script headers: pyht.py If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster . Error 500 tools.ietf.org Mon Jan 16 09:42:03 2006 Apache/2.0.55 (Debian) DAV/2 SVN/1.2.3 mod_fastcgi/2.4.2 mod_python/3.1.3 Python/2.3.5 PHP/5.0.5-3 mod_ssl/2.0.55 OpenSSL/0.9.8a Idnits Tool /Idnits checks internet-drafts for violations of Section 2.1 and 2.2 of the ID-Checklist./ /Version:/ 1.85 /Author:/ Henrik Levkowetz * About | Idnits Webservice | Change log | To do | Download | Feedback | Copyright * ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Webservice Check a draft for nits: verbose output very verbose output copyright year (if different from current) Check file Latest update: 2006-01-04 15:49 CET _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 16 04:40:35 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyQqp-0004Wl-91; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:40:35 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyQqn-0004WY-UO for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:40:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA27679 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.182]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EyQye-0001eN-AA for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 04:48:43 -0500 Received: by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 2407538095; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:25:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF19A37F1B; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:25:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD9637E5E; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:40:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EyQqK-0003z7-IK; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:40:04 +0100 Message-ID: <43CB69F4.1070702@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:40:04 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elwyn Davies Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Broken online tools service References: <43CB5D83.6090001@dial.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <43CB5D83.6090001@dial.pipex.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tools Team Discussion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Oops. Thanks for alerting me! Fixed the problem, a removed symlink, now I'll try to trace down how that happened. Henrik on 2006-01-16 09:46 Elwyn Davies said the following: > Hi. > > The online tools service is broken at the moment. > > All the online tools are delivering something like the following message > as of 08.45 GMT today Monday 16 January. > > Regards, > Elwyn > > > Server error! > > The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your > request. > > Error message: > Premature end of script headers: pyht.py > > If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster > . > > > Error 500 > > tools.ietf.org > Mon Jan 16 09:42:03 2006 > Apache/2.0.55 (Debian) DAV/2 SVN/1.2.3 mod_fastcgi/2.4.2 > mod_python/3.1.3 Python/2.3.5 PHP/5.0.5-3 mod_ssl/2.0.55 OpenSSL/0.9.8a > > > Idnits Tool > > /Idnits checks internet-drafts for violations of Section 2.1 and 2.2 of > the ID-Checklist./ > /Version:/ 1.85 > /Author:/ Henrik Levkowetz > > * About | Idnits Webservice > | Change log > | To do > | Download > | Feedback > | > Copyright * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Webservice > > Check a draft for nits: > verbose output > very verbose output > copyright year (if different from current) > Check file > > Latest update: 2006-01-04 15:49 CET > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 16 07:33:38 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyTYI-0006tB-Cc; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:33:38 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyTYG-0006sF-7T for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:33:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA08593 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EyTg7-0006wZ-23 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:41:47 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EyTXU-00089d-1J for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:32:48 +0100 Received: from pd9fba8b8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.251.168.184]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:32:48 +0100 Received: from nobody by pd9fba8b8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:32:48 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:21:28 +0100 Organization: Lines: 36 Message-ID: <43CB8FC8.2630@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <43CAF10D.60001@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9fba8b8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Idnits-1.85 - requesting a further feature X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > 1. Anything which matches a typical FQDN: > ([a-z0-9-_]+\.)+[a-z0-9-_]+\.[a-z0-9-_]+ My abilities to read REs without starting gawk are limited, but that appears to be three or more labels without the 1123 or 3696 restriction on toplabel. If that's correct your second case IPv4address is a special case of this RE. Some hours ago I've proposed a "toplabel task force" in USEFOR, maybe it's actually a good idea, not only a joke. > should also match > ([a-z0-9-_]+\.)+example.(com|org|net) The com/net/org label is only optional, ".example" at the end is also okay. Apparently you don't want two labels - avoiding tons of "false positives". > 3. Anything which matches an explicit IPv6 address: > [0-9a-fA-F]+:(([0-9a-fA-F]*):)* > should also match > 2001:DB8:(([0-9a-fA-F]*):)* I think it's a bit more tricky, are you talking about complete FWS delimited words, or only about the start of FWS delimited words ? On STD 66 http://tools.ietf.org/html/3986#page-20 the might be what you want: The tail of can be an . incl. often comes in square brackets. Warnings for all kinds of feed: abcdef: etc. might be confusing. Bye, Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 16 10:03:14 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyVt4-0006da-J9; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:03:14 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyVt3-0006dU-MZ for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:03:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA18827 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.180]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EyW0v-00054Q-7h for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:11:22 -0500 Received: by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 75F243813B; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:02:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A63A37E74; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:02:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2549E37E4C; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:02:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EyVsc-00082h-No; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:02:46 +0100 Message-ID: <43CBB596.2090704@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:02:46 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: Idnits-1.85 - requesting a further feature References: <43CAF10D.60001@levkowetz.com> <43CB8FC8.2630@xyzzy.claranet.de> In-Reply-To: <43CB8FC8.2630@xyzzy.claranet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Frank, on 2006-01-16 13:21 Frank Ellermann said the following: > Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> 1. Anything which matches a typical FQDN: >> ([a-z0-9-_]+\.)+[a-z0-9-_]+\.[a-z0-9-_]+ > > My abilities to read REs without starting gawk are limited, > but that appears to be three or more labels without the > 1123 or 3696 restriction on toplabel. If that's correct > your second case IPv4address is a special case of this RE. Yes, and yes. I could be more precise, and add (some of) the limitations that 3696 describes, and say e.g., ([a-z0-9][a-z0-9-]*[a-z][a-z0-9-]*[a-z0-9]\.)+[a-z0-9][a-z0-9-]*[a-z][a-z0-9-]*[a-z0-9][.]? - but I'm not sure that would contribute to the initial exploration of the basic idea ,;-) But I agree, bot the added precision in the regex, and possibly some additional qualification based on http://data.iana.org/TLD/tlds-alpha-by-domain.txt might be of interest - the latter would let you say either "Warning: Existing top level domain used instead of .example or .example.(com|net|org) ." or "Error: Non-existing top level domain used instead of .example or .example.(com|net|org) ." > Some hours ago I've proposed a "toplabel task force" in > USEFOR, maybe it's actually a good idea, not only a joke. Dunno ;-) >> should also match >> ([a-z0-9-_]+\.)+example.(com|org|net) > > The com/net/org label is only optional, ".example" at the > end is also okay. Apparently you don't want two labels - > avoiding tons of "false positives". Right, and right. >> 3. Anything which matches an explicit IPv6 address: >> [0-9a-fA-F]+:(([0-9a-fA-F]*):)* >> should also match >> 2001:DB8:(([0-9a-fA-F]*):)* > > I think it's a bit more tricky, are you talking about complete > FWS delimited words, or only about the start of FWS delimited > words ? On STD 66 http://tools.ietf.org/html/3986#page-20 the > might be what you want: Humm, yes. This one needs some refinement. > The tail of can be an . > incl. often comes in square brackets. Warnings > for all kinds of feed: abcdef: etc. might be confusing. I'll probably need to set up rather strict checks, and then run the last 1000 RFCs or so through it and devise heuristics to avoid too many false positives. Using a check for square brackets in the heuristics makes sense to me. Thanks, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 16 11:36:19 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyXL9-0007vY-CO; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:36:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EyXL7-0007ti-Su for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:36:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA25605 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:34:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200601161634.LAA25605@ietf.org> Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] ident=mailnull) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EyXT3-0000jK-RQ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:44:31 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=psg.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EyXL3-00074N-Tn; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:36:13 +0000 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.85 - requesting a further feature Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:36:13 -0800 From: Allison Mankin X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6e922792024732fb1bb6f346e63517e4 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik, > Of course, if a document proposes an explicit IANA allocation of > a specific non-example prefix, that will violate this. Yes, very good point. Another type of violation will come when examples of RFC 3761 (e164.arpa) addresses are given. Another type it will catch is in an IPv6 address-related document describing the significance of 0::0 But I think* these documents balance out fairly few against those that use examples. > I could still issue a warning for this, which people who really > were proposing a specific prefix allocation would have to ignore. So what sounds right is to include the FQDN or address that causes the violation in the warning, then the person checking can be slightly annoyed or not, but know what the issue is. The warning should probably say something like it's a violation if the literal or FQDN was used as an arbitrary example, versus some other use. > If the above looks sensible to you, I'll put it in the next version > of idnits. I like it, though it's good others are checking. I do suggest allowing that FQDNS can be constructed with capital letters. We don't see them too much, but I don't know why we'd rule it out. Best, Allison > > Hi Allison, > > on 2006-01-15 20:55 Allison Mankin said the following: > > Hi, Henrik, > > > > Would it be hard to add checking of Section 6A and 6B of > > http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html to Idnits when you next > > update? > > I assume you mean Section 3, items 6A and 6B. > > > The shepherds and ADs vet a lot of example addresses. It's > > pretty easy to catch problem FQDNs by eye, but problem literals > > can slip through more readily, especially if most of the literals > > in a document have been switched to comply with RFC 3330/RFC 3849, > > but a few have been missed. > > > > The IESG ends up catching 6A/6B nits often. > > The checks I can imagine for this would be > > 1. Anything which matches a typical FQDN: > > ([a-z0-9-_]+\.)+[a-z0-9-_]+\.[a-z0-9-_]+ > > should also match > > ([a-z0-9-_]+\.)+example.(com|org|net) > > 2. Anything which matches an explicit IPv4 address: > > [0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\ > > should also match > > 192\.0\.2\.[0-9]+ > > 3. Anything which matches an explicit IPv6 address: > > [0-9a-fA-F]+:(([0-9a-fA-F]*):)* > > should also match > > 2001:DB8:(([0-9a-fA-F]*):)* > > Of course, if a document proposes an explicit IANA allocation of > a specific non-example prefix, that will violate this. > > I could still issue a warning for this, which people who really > were proposing a specific prefix allocation would have to ignore. > > If the above looks sensible to you, I'll put it in the next version > of idnits. > > > Regards, > > Henrik > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 16 16:58:30 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EycMw-0000eh-Al; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:58:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EycMs-0000aU-KB for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:58:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA19028 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.180]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EycUr-0004sZ-K2 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:06:43 -0500 Received: by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id D2BBD380E5; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:57:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F8637ED5; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:57:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8146D37E45; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:57:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EycMR-000239-DS; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:57:59 +0100 Message-ID: <43CC16E7.1090100@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:57:59 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allison Mankin Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.85 - requesting a further feature References: <200601161634.LAA25605@ietf.org> In-Reply-To: <200601161634.LAA25605@ietf.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ff03b0075c3fc728d7d60a15b4ee1ad2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Allison, on 2006-01-16 17:36 Allison Mankin said the following: > Henrik, > >> Of course, if a document proposes an explicit IANA allocation of >> a specific non-example prefix, that will violate this. > > Yes, very good point. Another type of violation will come > when examples of RFC 3761 (e164.arpa) addresses are given. Right. But those can be excempted, I guess. > Another type it will catch is in an IPv6 address-related > document describing the significance of 0::0 > > But I think* these documents balance out fairly few against > those that use examples. Right. >> I could still issue a warning for this, which people who really >> were proposing a specific prefix allocation would have to ignore. > > So what sounds right is to include the FQDN or address that > causes the violation in the warning, then the person checking > can be slightly annoyed or not, but know what the issue is. > The warning should probably say something like it's a violation > if the literal or FQDN was used as an arbitrary example, versus > some other use. Right. >> If the above looks sensible to you, I'll put it in the next version >> of idnits. > > I like it, though it's good others are checking. I do suggest > allowing that FQDNS can be constructed with capital letters. We > don't see them too much, but I don't know why we'd rule it out. Good point. I'll allow that. Best regards, Henrik > Best, > > Allison > >> >> Hi Allison, >> >> on 2006-01-15 20:55 Allison Mankin said the following: >> > Hi, Henrik, >> > >> > Would it be hard to add checking of Section 6A and 6B of >> > http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html to Idnits when you next >> > update? >> >> I assume you mean Section 3, items 6A and 6B. >> >> > The shepherds and ADs vet a lot of example addresses. It's >> > pretty easy to catch problem FQDNs by eye, but problem literals >> > can slip through more readily, especially if most of the literals >> > in a document have been switched to comply with RFC 3330/RFC 3849, >> > but a few have been missed. >> > >> > The IESG ends up catching 6A/6B nits often. >> >> The checks I can imagine for this would be >> >> 1. Anything which matches a typical FQDN: >> >> ([a-z0-9-_]+\.)+[a-z0-9-_]+\.[a-z0-9-_]+ >> >> should also match >> >> ([a-z0-9-_]+\.)+example.(com|org|net) >> >> 2. Anything which matches an explicit IPv4 address: >> >> [0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\ >> >> should also match >> >> 192\.0\.2\.[0-9]+ >> >> 3. Anything which matches an explicit IPv6 address: >> >> [0-9a-fA-F]+:(([0-9a-fA-F]*):)* >> >> should also match >> >> 2001:DB8:(([0-9a-fA-F]*):)* >> >> Of course, if a document proposes an explicit IANA allocation of >> a specific non-example prefix, that will violate this. >> >> I could still issue a warning for this, which people who really >> were proposing a specific prefix allocation would have to ignore. >> >> If the above looks sensible to you, I'll put it in the next version >> of idnits. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Henrik >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 17 11:39:45 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eyts1-0002Yl-1k; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:39:45 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eytrz-0002Yb-Tq; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:39:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA29270; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eyu08-0006mg-ET; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:48:09 -0500 Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 1E8773815D; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:39:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92EC37EC1; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:39:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B5237E92; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:39:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Eytrn-00074a-20; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:39:31 +0100 Message-ID: <43CD1DC0.90500@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:39:28 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allison Mankin X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, rgchairs@irtf.org, bofchairs@ietf.org, Tools Team Discussion Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: 65th IETF - WG/RG/BOF Scheduling X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Allison, on 2006-01-17 17:09 Allison Mankin said the following: > Hi, Henrik, > > I've taken agenda@ietf.org off the cc list so we don't keep generating > tickets for them while we discuss the tool design. Or should we move > to tools-discuss? I think this mail will get to the tool developer. Immediately when I got the response from agenda@ietf.org I thought 'Oh, dear, I should have taken them off the list..." But we can add tools-discuss. >> Also, I have lists of conflicts from previous years, which I use as a >> base for the request this time. I'd love to be able to just type >> in the list, but the tool forces me to use the drop-down list. A bit >> awkward. > > The purpose of this tool (I understand) is so that simple initial machine > processing can be done on the WG chairs' scheduling inputs, before the > human brain (the brilliant Marcia!) NP-complete effort of making the > actual schedule. > > Having seen a lot of the Chairs' unstructured requests, I know they are > very varied, even to the form of the lists for conflict avoidance: > misspellings, shorter names than the real short names, SIP/PING > instead of both names, descriptive terms. It's understandable > but hard to use. Yes, understood, and I would expect exactly this filtering to be done by the request tool - but that can be done by validating the manually entered list by a javascript snippet before submission, or by a server- side script on submission; and in both case returning the user to the original form for correction of his/her input. Doing things the current way makes life easier on Marcia, which I absolutely support, but it makes the task harder than necessary on the chairs. The tool author is already using javascript for various tasks in the form, so moving to a pre-submit validation model instead of a constrained entry model shouldn't be impossible. > What I'm wondering is whether at IETF 65, the session will come > up pre-configured with the previous conflict list, and allow the chairs > to edit that... Sounds like a good idea - and that would also work better with a pre-submission validation, instead of the current constrained entry :-) >> The tool forces me to skip that and list first-priority conflicts >> before I may list second-priority conflicts. Is that necessary? > > I agree, you should not have to do this. Something for the fix list, IMO. Ack. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jan 28 14:20:09 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F2vcH-00031N-It; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:20:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F2vcF-0002zG-7v for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:20:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA07154 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F2vmW-00033Z-6t for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:30:45 -0500 Received: from [10.0.1.4] (static-71-246-51-26.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.246.51.26]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k0SJJe205646 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:19:40 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1B4EBE00-A6E5-4840-B488-E64F0EA5B1E9@isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Aaron Falk Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:19:42 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: falk@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] master whitelist for ietf/irtf/etc email lists X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi- I'm frustrated by the list filtering in Mailman. The rgchairs@irtf.org is often copied in IETF scheduling announcements and discussion. I have that list set to subscribers only since it attracts a fair bit of spam otherwise. Now I need to check moderator requests frequently to release messages from wgchairs list members who are not rgchairs list members. At first I thought all I needed was a list of wgchairs to whitelist. But that would need maintenance to keep current. A more useful solution would be a 'master' whitelist of all IETF list subscribers that would work for all IETF lists. It would probably need regular tending so that spam senders didn't pollute it but tending a single white list seems a reasonable effort. Additionally, individual list owners could maintain local blacklists. I don't know if this is possible or easily done in Mailman but it seems like it would be quite handy. --aaron _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jan 29 20:13:56 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3NcC-0003mi-4o; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:13:56 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3NcA-0003mX-EY for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:13:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA14111 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtagate4.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.137]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F3Nmq-0001pj-02 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:24:56 -0500 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate4.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0U1Di3x269744 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:13:44 GMT Received: from d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.216]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id k0U1Di7x203474 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:13:44 GMT Received: from d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0U1DhET009532 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:13:44 GMT Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0U1DhPK009527; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:13:43 GMT Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-252-142.de.ibm.com [9.145.252.142]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA42964; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:13:41 +0100 Message-ID: <43DD6846.2030000@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:13:42 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aaron Falk Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] master whitelist for ietf/irtf/etc email lists References: <1B4EBE00-A6E5-4840-B488-E64F0EA5B1E9@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <1B4EBE00-A6E5-4840-B488-E64F0EA5B1E9@isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Aaron, Here's a secret. There is such a whitelist, which is used to help with spam filtering for the secretariat ticket system (the addresses like ietf-action). The problem is, that list is used in conjunction with TMDA, and we know that quite a few people in the IETF don't like TMDA (because if you're not whitelisted, you get a one-time confirmation to process manually). Also, there are practical issues in mixing TMDA and mailman. Anything that checks a whitelist with a couple of thousand entries is a performance challenge, and of course a whitelist doesn't protect you against forgeries anyway. Brian Aaron Falk wrote: > Hi- > > I'm frustrated by the list filtering in Mailman. The rgchairs@irtf.org > is often copied in IETF scheduling announcements and discussion. I > have that list set to subscribers only since it attracts a fair bit of > spam otherwise. Now I need to check moderator requests frequently to > release messages from wgchairs list members who are not rgchairs list > members. At first I thought all I needed was a list of wgchairs to > whitelist. But that would need maintenance to keep current. A more > useful solution would be a 'master' whitelist of all IETF list > subscribers that would work for all IETF lists. It would probably need > regular tending so that spam senders didn't pollute it but tending a > single white list seems a reasonable effort. Additionally, individual > list owners could maintain local blacklists. I don't know if this is > possible or easily done in Mailman but it seems like it would be quite > handy. > > --aaron > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 30 06:33:34 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3XHq-0005Q3-Bd; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:33:34 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3XHp-0005Od-0t; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:33:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA15440; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk ([81.187.81.52] helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F3XSP-0000LA-00; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:44:31 -0500 Received: from 247.254.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.254.247] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1F3XHJ-0003sH-Ky; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:33:01 +0000 Message-ID: <43DDF9EF.40405@dial.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:35:11 +0000 From: Elwyn Davies User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc mailing list , IETF Discussion Subject: [Tools-discuss] Finding issue trackers for drafts X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi. One additional piece of information relating to drafts that ism't included in the drafts database is the location of the issue tracker (if any). They aren't all in one place at the moment which makes life more difficult than necessary for the casual inspector... for example... - I was just faced with an email relating to a l2vpn document which I reviewed for the gen-art team which stated that 'there were some issues in the issue tracker' but no note of where I could locate the tracker. Now clearly I can bug the authors but I am sure they have better things to do. - I know where to find some of the nsis issue trackers but I also know they aren't obvious to a casual observer. So two thoughts: - Could this information be collated on the info pages (subject to a good way of finding it out)? - Would it be a good idea to incorporate the location of the issue tracker into drafts as a matter of course (might even encourage their use)? xml2rfc might be able to provide some sort of support perhaps but that isn't essential. Regards, Elwyn _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss