From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Feb 07 12:33:25 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F6WiT-00047t-6K; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:33:25 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F6WiR-00042W-Gs for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:33:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14715 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F6Wur-00009c-8I for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:46:14 -0500 Received: from ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.156]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:33:10 +0100 Received: from wintermute ([10.193.4.45]) by ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:33:10 +0100 From: Thomas Morin To: Bill Fenner In-Reply-To: <200602071548.k17FmE3n012981@bright.research.att.com> References: <200602071548.k17FmE3n012981@bright.research.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: France Telecom R&D Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:32:53 +0100 Message-Id: <1139333573.6740.37.camel@wintermute> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2006 17:33:10.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[909D1080:01C62C0C] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc-xxe@rtg.ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, JP Vasseur Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Just a quick question ... X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Bill Fenner: > > JP Vasseur: > [...] > >Also, any way to "track changes" ? > > Unfortunately, no. That's on the "to investigate" list but would require > a great deal of implementation. Tracking changes is one thing, integrating/filtering them is also important. Maybe your "tracking changes" was encompassing both. I've practiced once integrating a draft revision that was sent to me in xml2rfc format. Converting to txt and using rfcdiff can give a quick overview of the changes. Then using xmldiff can help see the detailed changes, and then xmlpatch can be used to apply relevant pieces of the patch. But this is rather cumbersome to do by hand. What can be done also is using tags : just put into them the content that's being discussed, the 'source' attribute can help track the person that proposed the changes or comment. Then when things settle down a copy-paste is enough to make the text become real content ('convert' button of xmlmind interface can also be handy here). Beyond this, there are options that come to my mind: - using webdav could bring versioning, but for ease of use, that would require support by the editor (webdav access exist only in the commercial version of XMLMind, and I'm not sure that give you access to the detailed information/diffs between versions of a file) - adding a patch creation/integration tool into [pick your favorite] XML editor ; using xmldiff/xupdate, that could be useful to allow people to keep their xml based workflow - a web based collaborative tool that would allow different people to work on a same draft would be great; it may for instance allow uploading draft revision and comparing them to previous ones, and would help the editors to integrate changes (or part of the changes) into a doc ; it could integrate with tools.ietf.org and xml.resource.org conversion tools; all this would allow offline editing, but the tool may also integrate some "WYSIKN" editor backed by xml2rfc xml format ; it could also integrate a comment system allowing people to comment on not-yet integrated changes But I guess is stuff people already imagined, and its just that time and manpower are too scarce... Anyway if some people happen to work on a such thing I would happily betatest it! -Thomas _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Feb 07 12:51:38 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F6X05-0001v3-D3; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:51:37 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F6Wzi-0001k2-Ra for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:51:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA15891 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F6XBw-0000gr-FG for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:03:53 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Feb 2006 17:50:49 -0000 Received: from p508F8D44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.178.21]) [80.143.141.68] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 07 Feb 2006 18:50:49 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <43E8DD5B.4050901@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:48:11 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Morin Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: Just a quick question ... References: <200602071548.k17FmE3n012981@bright.research.att.com> <1139333573.6740.37.camel@wintermute> In-Reply-To: <1139333573.6740.37.camel@wintermute> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Bill Fenner , xml2rfc-xxe@rtg.ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, JP Vasseur X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thomas Morin wrote: > ... > But I guess is stuff people already imagined, and its just that time and > manpower are too scarce... Anyway if some people happen to work on a > such thing I would happily betatest it! > ... I've been happily using an xmlrfc format extension that allows simple issue and change tracking, and which (IMHO) creates beautiful change-highlighting HTML and issues list from it. The main problem being it makes making changes harder (you need to remember the markup syntax,a and also link every change to an issue) -- but maybe that's not a problem but a feature. For an example, check the files at . Best regards, Julian _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 09 16:21:24 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F7J7O-0007pB-RH; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:14:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F7J7M-0007ov-9f for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:14:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA02732 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F7JKD-0000DA-AZ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:27:38 -0500 Received: from [128.9.168.162] (neo.isi.edu [128.9.168.162]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k19LDDq28329; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:13:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <43DD6846.2030000@zurich.ibm.com> References: <1B4EBE00-A6E5-4840-B488-E64F0EA5B1E9@isi.edu> <43DD6846.2030000@zurich.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Message-Id: <8B01E1B0-8B6B-4DDF-8BA7-6DAFC6C7F8D6@ISI.EDU> From: Aaron Falk Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] master whitelist for ietf/irtf/etc email lists Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 13:13:10 -0800 To: Brian E Carpenter X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: falk@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1002632394==" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1002632394== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-10-151116869" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-10-151116869 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian- There are two general classes of ietf.org mailing lists: open and closed membership. it seems that more heavyweight spam protection could be applied to closed lists (like wgchairs, rgchairs, irsg, iesg, iab) while open lists (like wg lists) remain the same. Or, to put it more directly, I'd like to use TMDA for the rgchairs list. How do I get that to happen? --aaron On Jan 29, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Aaron, > > Here's a secret. There is such a whitelist, which is used to help > with spam filtering for the secretariat ticket system (the > addresses like ietf-action). The problem is, that list is used > in conjunction with TMDA, and we know that quite a few people in > the IETF don't like TMDA (because if you're not whitelisted, you get > a one-time confirmation to process manually). Also, there are > practical issues in mixing TMDA and mailman. Anything that checks > a whitelist with a couple of thousand entries is a performance > challenge, and of course a whitelist doesn't protect you against > forgeries anyway. > > Brian > > Aaron Falk wrote: >> Hi- >> I'm frustrated by the list filtering in Mailman. The >> rgchairs@irtf.org is often copied in IETF scheduling >> announcements and discussion. I have that list set to >> subscribers only since it attracts a fair bit of spam otherwise. >> Now I need to check moderator requests frequently to release >> messages from wgchairs list members who are not rgchairs list >> members. At first I thought all I needed was a list of wgchairs >> to whitelist. But that would need maintenance to keep current. >> A more useful solution would be a 'master' whitelist of all IETF >> list subscribers that would work for all IETF lists. It would >> probably need regular tending so that spam senders didn't pollute >> it but tending a single white list seems a reasonable effort. >> Additionally, individual list owners could maintain local >> blacklists. I don't know if this is possible or easily done in >> Mailman but it seems like it would be quite handy. >> --aaron >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --Apple-Mail-10-151116869 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (Darwin) iD8DBQFD67Bn/i95hBY97NERAnpIAJ4lGte7E0fpPf/y8KMswQDpHK7LTQCePeIx GT7/vPFcDlgy4uzHpDtgkiE= =wxle -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-10-151116869-- --===============1002632394== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1002632394==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 10 06:48:22 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F7WlC-0000gu-M4; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:48:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F7WlB-0000gg-N2 for tools-discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:48:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA12039 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtagate3.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.136]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F7Wy1-0005hX-0q for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:01:37 -0500 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate3.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1ABm1TJ097728 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:48:01 GMT Received: from d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.212]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.8) with ESMTP id k1ABm2Qe214552 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:48:02 GMT Received: from d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k1ABm1no007171 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:48:01 GMT Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1ABm1vS007146; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:48:01 GMT Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-253-49.de.ibm.com [9.145.253.49]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA49630; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:48:00 +0100 Message-ID: <43EC7D6D.9070207@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:47:57 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aaron Falk Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] master whitelist for ietf/irtf/etc email lists References: <1B4EBE00-A6E5-4840-B488-E64F0EA5B1E9@isi.edu> <43DD6846.2030000@zurich.ibm.com> <8B01E1B0-8B6B-4DDF-8BA7-6DAFC6C7F8D6@ISI.EDU> In-Reply-To: <8B01E1B0-8B6B-4DDF-8BA7-6DAFC6C7F8D6@ISI.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b4a0a5f5992e2a4954405484e7717d8c Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an open issue with the Secretariat. Progress is slow and until it's been tested I don't think it is going to be on offer. Brian Aaron Falk wrote: > Brian- > > There are two general classes of ietf.org mailing lists: open and > closed membership. it seems that more heavyweight spam protection could > be applied to closed lists (like wgchairs, rgchairs, irsg, iesg, iab) > while open lists (like wg lists) remain the same. Or, to put it more > directly, I'd like to use TMDA for the rgchairs list. How do I get > that to happen? > > --aaron > > On Jan 29, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> Aaron, >> >> Here's a secret. There is such a whitelist, which is used to help >> with spam filtering for the secretariat ticket system (the >> addresses like ietf-action). The problem is, that list is used >> in conjunction with TMDA, and we know that quite a few people in >> the IETF don't like TMDA (because if you're not whitelisted, you get >> a one-time confirmation to process manually). Also, there are >> practical issues in mixing TMDA and mailman. Anything that checks >> a whitelist with a couple of thousand entries is a performance >> challenge, and of course a whitelist doesn't protect you against >> forgeries anyway. >> >> Brian >> >> Aaron Falk wrote: >> >>> Hi- >>> I'm frustrated by the list filtering in Mailman. The >>> rgchairs@irtf.org is often copied in IETF scheduling announcements >>> and discussion. I have that list set to subscribers only since it >>> attracts a fair bit of spam otherwise. Now I need to check >>> moderator requests frequently to release messages from wgchairs >>> list members who are not rgchairs list members. At first I thought >>> all I needed was a list of wgchairs to whitelist. But that would >>> need maintenance to keep current. A more useful solution would be >>> a 'master' whitelist of all IETF list subscribers that would work >>> for all IETF lists. It would probably need regular tending so that >>> spam senders didn't pollute it but tending a single white list >>> seems a reasonable effort. Additionally, individual list owners >>> could maintain local blacklists. I don't know if this is possible >>> or easily done in Mailman but it seems like it would be quite handy. >>> --aaron >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 17 08:50:52 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1FA60a-0001yU-G1; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:50:52 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1FA60S-0001vI-Ul; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:50:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA24252; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FA5ly-00005Q-4e; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:35:54 -0500 Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.122]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id BB4814F002A; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:20:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.173]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:20:48 +0100 Received: from [147.214.237.61] ([147.214.237.61]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:20:47 +0100 Message-ID: <43F5CD14.5050307@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:18:12 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Tools-team Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2006 13:20:48.0002 (UTC) FILETIME=[F72AC620:01C633C4] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: Here's a nifty idea] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I got this from Mark Townsley, and thought it was indeed a nifty idea, but don't have any cycles to dive into it myself. Maybe there is someone on the list who would like to take this on? Regards, Henrik -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Here's a nifty idea Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:55:36 +0100 From: Mark Townsley To: Henrik Levkowetz A firefox plugin search toolbar for ID and RFC search (or, heck, tracker search). This could be its own thing, or hang off of the multi-search engine toolbar installed by default. - Mark _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 17 10:13:58 2006 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1FA77k-0007rb-Td; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:02:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1FA73d-0004it-G5; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:58:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA03466; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:05:16 -0500 (EST) From: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Received: from mgw-ext01.nokia.com ([131.228.20.93]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FA6UR-0007us-MS; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:21:45 -0500 Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext01.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k1HE6bEE028749; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:06:40 +0200 Received: from esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.34]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:05:47 +0200 Received: from esebe105.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.53]) by esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:05:47 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: Here's a nifty idea] Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:05:46 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43F5CD14.5050307@levkowetz.com> Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: Here's a nifty idea] Thread-Index: AcYzybLw8UbGUYrZRhGXaDtfwm+CKAAAId3Q To: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2006 14:05:47.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[40203CB0:01C633CB] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org BTW, the Firefox seach plugin collection already has an RFC=20 search plugin: http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html?name=3Drfc&submitform=3DSearch=20 Seems to work, although I prefer using local copies of IDs and RFCs (and searching rfc-index.txt/1id-index.txt in Emacs with Ctrl-S, or all files with grep). Best regards, Pasi > -----Original Message----- > From: Henrik Levkowetz > Sent: 17 February, 2006 15:18 > To: tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tools-team > Subject: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: Here's a nifty idea] >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I got this from Mark Townsley, and thought it was indeed a=20 > nifty idea, but don't have any cycles to dive into it myself. =20 > Maybe there is someone on the list who would like to take=20 > this on? >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Here's a nifty idea > Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:55:36 +0100 > From: Mark Townsley > To: Henrik Levkowetz >=20 >=20 > A firefox plugin search toolbar for ID and RFC search (or,=20 > heck, tracker search). This could be its own thing, or hang=20 > off of the multi-search engine toolbar installed by default. >=20 > - Mark _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Feb 21 10:13:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FBZCe-0003fm-7U; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:13:24 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FBZCd-0003fg-Jo for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:13:23 -0500 Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk ([81.187.81.52] helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FBZCc-0006sL-98 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:13:23 -0500 Received: from 247.254.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.254.247] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1FBZCX-0007WJ-Ae; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:13:17 +0000 Message-ID: <43FB2E98.5050901@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:15:36 +0000 From: Elwyn Davies User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: Here's a nifty idea] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Cc: henrik@levkowetz.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Both the tools on the page mentioned here work OK but they appear to only search the headers. There seems to be a dearth of tools that do a full text search. The Zvon archive used to have this capbility but the old archive is no longer maintained and the new version only does header search. In practice I don't do full searches that frequently and I can usually download what I need rather than tying up my disk space with a complete set (even if it isn't that big) but an an online service would be helpful. Regards, Elwyn Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: > BTW, the Firefox seach plugin collection already has an RFC > search plugin: > > http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html?name=rfc&submitform=Search > > Seems to work, although I prefer using local copies of IDs and RFCs > (and searching rfc-index.txt/1id-index.txt in Emacs with Ctrl-S, > or all files with grep). > > Best regards, > Pasi > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Henrik Levkowetz >> Sent: 17 February, 2006 15:18 >> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tools-team >> Subject: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: Here's a nifty idea] >> >> Hi, >> >> I got this from Mark Townsley, and thought it was indeed a >> nifty idea, but don't have any cycles to dive into it myself. >> Maybe there is someone on the list who would like to take >> this on? >> >> Regards, >> >> Henrik >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Here's a nifty idea >> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:55:36 +0100 >> From: Mark Townsley >> To: Henrik Levkowetz >> >> >> A firefox plugin search toolbar for ID and RFC search (or, >> heck, tracker search). This could be its own thing, or hang >> off of the multi-search engine toolbar installed by default. >> >> - Mark >> > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Feb 21 14:02:54 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FBcmj-0003H6-VQ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:02:53 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FBcmi-0003Gz-BT for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:02:52 -0500 Received: from av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.184]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FBcmh-00024E-1i for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:02:52 -0500 Received: by av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 048D037FC3; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:02:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F6E37EDE; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:02:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9197737E43; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:02:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FBcmd-0005DC-TR; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:02:47 +0100 Message-ID: <43FB63D7.9060903@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:02:47 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elwyn Davies Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: Here's a nifty idea] References: <43FB2E98.5050901@dial.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <43FB2E98.5050901@dial.pipex.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org on 2006-02-21 16:15 Elwyn Davies said the following: ... > There seems to be a dearth of tools that do a full text search. The > Zvon archive used to have this capbility but the old archive is no > longer maintained and the new version only does header search. In > practice I don't do full searches that frequently and I can usually > download what I need rather than tying up my disk space with a complete > set (even if it isn't that big) but an an online service would be helpful. Noted! (And I agree.) Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 23 11:15:22 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FCJ7h-0000nG-9o; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:15:21 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FCJ7g-0000n8-Ci for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:15:20 -0500 Received: from mgw-ext04.nokia.com ([131.228.20.96]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FCJ7e-0003ep-Ux for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:15:20 -0500 Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext04.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k1NGEGLk028007 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:14:18 +0200 Received: from esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.177]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:15:17 +0200 Received: from esebe105.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.53]) by esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:15:16 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: Here's a nifty idea] Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:15:16 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43FB2E98.5050901@dial.pipex.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: Here's a nifty idea] Thread-Index: AcY2+W+Lw74hsRCaSoynHWpEbpZZKABmdnIQ From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2006 16:15:16.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[5593E970:01C63894] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Elwyn Davies wrote: > Both the tools on the page mentioned here work OK but they appear to=20 > only search the headers. >=20 > There seems to be a dearth of tools that do a full text search. The=20 > Zvon archive used to have this capbility but the old archive is no=20 > longer maintained and the new version only does header search. In=20 > practice I don't do full searches that frequently and I can usually=20 > download what I need rather than tying up my disk space with=20 > a complete set (even if it isn't that big) but an an online=20 > service would be helpful. Google "keyword1 keyword2 site:www.ietf.org/rfc" does a full-text for RFCs, and "site:www.ietf.org/internet-drafts" works for I-Ds. It's not an ideal solution; for instance, the page titles shown by Google are not very informative. Some other sites work better in this respect, e.g. "site:rfc-archive.org". It should not be difficult to turn these into a Firefox search plugin, but on the other hand, typing the "site:" part is not a big job either :) Best regards, Pasi _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 23 11:42:54 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FCJYM-0002DR-8e; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:42:54 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FCJYK-0002DG-SB; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:42:52 -0500 Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FCJYJ-0004hy-Fh; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:42:52 -0500 Received: from ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.156]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:42:34 +0100 Received: from l-at8613.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.15.114]) by ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:42:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: Here's a nifty idea] From: Thomas Morin To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <43F5CD14.5050307@levkowetz.com> References: <43F5CD14.5050307@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: France Telecom R&D Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:42:33 +0100 Message-Id: <1140712953.5272.100.camel@wintermute> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2006 16:42:33.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[254F3450:01C63898] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Cc: Mark Townsley , Tools-team , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Another solution in Firefox: make parametrized bookmarks with a keyword - for rfcs: * Location: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc%s.html * Keyword: rfc * Type "rfc 4364" in your URL bar - for working groups * Location: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/%s * Keyword: wg * type "wg pim" in your URL bar - for drafts: * Location: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-%s.txt * keyword: draft * type "draft ietf-l3vpn-ppvpn-mcast-reqts-04" in your URL bar - for working-groups drafts * Location:http://tools.ietf.org/wg/l3vpn/draft-ietf-%s/ * Keyword: wgdraft * Type "wgdraft l3vpn-2547bis-mcast" I'm using at least the first two ones all the time. -Thomas Henrik Levkowetz: > Hi, > > I got this from Mark Townsley, and thought it was indeed a nifty idea, > but don't have any cycles to dive into it myself. Maybe there is > someone on the list who would like to take this on? > > Regards, > > Henrik > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Here's a nifty idea > Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:55:36 +0100 > From: Mark Townsley > To: Henrik Levkowetz > > > A firefox plugin search toolbar for ID and RFC search (or, heck, tracker > search). This could be its own thing, or hang off of the multi-search engine > toolbar installed by default. > > - Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 23 12:40:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FCKRo-0006Uj-KO; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:40:12 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FCKRn-0006Ub-As for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:40:11 -0500 Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk ([81.187.81.52] helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FCKRj-0006iM-Gh for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:40:11 -0500 Received: from 247.254.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.254.247] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1FCKRi-0005kw-7y; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:40:06 +0000 Message-ID: <43FDF403.8040907@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:42:27 +0000 From: Elwyn Davies User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: Here's a nifty idea] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040703000609050508080204" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5d188b91ff79eaa1be2a0e9635461d9a Cc: X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040703000609050508080204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. Thanks for the suggestion. I wasted my substance and produced a Firefox search plugin that does the business. This one does RFCs but it is trivial to modify it to look in I-Ds or to look at somebody else's repository. It is actually more work to create a suitable icon! (It is just a very slightly hacked version of the example Google search plugin given in the Mycroft manual. It could be cleaned up considerably.) Install the attached two files in Firefoxs's searchplugins directory (see http://mycroft.mozdev.org/deepdocs/installing.html#manual for details). The 'gif' is a very coarse icon that is displayed in the search box. The 'src' is just a piece of textual xml. You need to restart Firefox to display it. If you want to change the site just look for the line containing name="sitesearch" in the src file and change the value string. Change the name and description appropriately (lines 18 and 19), change the filename and generate a suitable icon which shares the name part of the new src file. Regards, Elwyn Programing note: See items [26] and [27] in the 'contributed notes' (http://mycroft.mozdev.org/deepdocs/inputtags.html#usernotes) for info on sitesearch and combining user input with fixed strings in a Google search. Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: > Elwyn Davies wrote: > > >> Both the tools on the page mentioned here work OK but they appear to >> only search the headers. >> >> There seems to be a dearth of tools that do a full text search. The >> Zvon archive used to have this capbility but the old archive is no >> longer maintained and the new version only does header search. In >> practice I don't do full searches that frequently and I can usually >> download what I need rather than tying up my disk space with >> a complete set (even if it isn't that big) but an an online >> service would be helpful. >> > > Google "keyword1 keyword2 site:www.ietf.org/rfc" does a full-text > for RFCs, and "site:www.ietf.org/internet-drafts" works for I-Ds. > > It's not an ideal solution; for instance, the page titles shown by > Google are not very informative. Some other sites work better > in this respect, e.g. "site:rfc-archive.org". > > It should not be difficult to turn these into a Firefox search plugin, > but on the other hand, typing the "site:" part is not a big job > either :) > > Best regards, > Pasi > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > --------------040703000609050508080204 Content-Type: text/plain; name="ietfftrfc.src" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="ietfftrfc.src" # GoogleUK Search plug-in for Mozilla/Netscape 6+ # by amitp at google dot com # modified by wolfgang dot schroedl at gmx dot net and juliusross at ma= c dot com=20 # Last updated: 28 June 2002 # Modification by Elwyn Davies, 23 Feb 2006: Adapted to search the IETF R= FC site only # This plugin can be altered so that it can # (a) search using any of the google mirrors # (b) restrict your search to sites from a particular country # (c) restrict your search to sites in a particular language # Known issues: # 1. 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