From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 03 11:31:42 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbJKF-0004kM-Rk; Wed, 03 May 2006 11:31:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbDKQ-0006Ib-7x for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 05:07:26 -0400 Received: from dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk ([139.133.204.82] helo=erg.abdn.ac.uk) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbDKO-000502-RD for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 05:07:26 -0400 Received: from [139.133.207.153] (dhcp-207-153.erg.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.207.153]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4397HXf021469 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 10:07:18 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <445872C5.1080707@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 10:07:17 +0100 From: Gorry Fairhurst Organization: University of Aberdeen, UK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ERG-MailScanner-From: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:31:38 -0400 Subject: [Tools-discuss] ID NiTs Version: 1.93 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Dear tools team, I still like the ID NiTs tool a lot :-) A suggestion: I think it would be nice to receive a warning if either the filename written in the draft or the file that was uploaded contain upper case characters.... Should a verbose warning be issued if the uploaded file has a different name to that which was cited as the filename? I've just had a draft bounced because of this - and recall making the same mistake on a previous submission. Gorry Fairhurst _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 03 12:45:41 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbKTk-0008O7-UW; Wed, 03 May 2006 12:45:32 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbKTj-0008O2-Po for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 12:45:31 -0400 Received: from av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbKTi-0007pf-Am for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 12:45:31 -0400 Received: by av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 721963865F; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5652A37F2A; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEEA37E48; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FbKTU-00043a-Vc; Wed, 03 May 2006 18:45:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4458DE1C.6040209@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 18:45:16 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ID NiTs Version: 1.93 References: <445872C5.1080707@erg.abdn.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <445872C5.1080707@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Gorry, Something like this will be available in idnits v1.94. The code I'm currently testing will warn not only for uppercase characters, but any characters which are not digits, lowercase letters, or dash, as required by 1id-guidelines.txt. Some questions: In the current code, I'm emitting warnings for both disallowed characters and mis-matching file-name -- any particular reason why a mis-matching file-name should not result in a warning in non-verbose mode? I also don't think it makes sense to warn about non-valid characters in the filename if it doesn't match the name given in the document - if somebody prefers to work with "Foo-04.txt" instead of draft-foo-bar-04, a warning about mismatching filename is enough; warning for non-valid characters in "Foo-04.txt" doesn't seem to make sense... Regards, Henrik on 2006-05-03 11:07 Gorry Fairhurst said the following: > Dear tools team, > > I still like the ID NiTs tool a lot :-) > > A suggestion: I think it would be nice to receive a warning if either > the filename written in the draft or the file that was uploaded contain > upper case characters.... > > Should a verbose warning be issued if the uploaded file has a different > name to that which was cited as the filename? > > I've just had a draft bounced because of this - and recall making the > same mistake on a previous submission. > > Gorry Fairhurst > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 11 20:43:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeLko-0005Fa-UH; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:43:38 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeLkn-0005FM-HZ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:43:37 -0400 Received: from av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.180]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeLkm-0007Wd-6x for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:43:37 -0400 Received: by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 593F138111; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:43:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4079B37F95 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:43:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345E537E51 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:43:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FeLkR-0001A1-Lc for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:43:34 +0200 Message-ID: <4463DA23.8010202@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 02:43:15 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Subject: [Tools-discuss] Spell-checking drafts X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, There are a lot of spell-checking programs out there, and for most uses I'd go with a command-line invocation of ispell or aspell, which is available not only on *nix but also on windows. I will however eventually add some spell-checking to the online version of idnits, and as a first step I've culled an IETF-specific dictionary from the last 2 years of RFCs, augmented this the surnames of I-D authors taken from xml2rfc's reference bibliography and finally added a short manually assembled list of words. I've also written a web wrapper around aspell, running with this ietf wordlist, as an early way to so some ID spellchecking: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idspell/ Testing and comments are welcome. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 12 07:52:48 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeWC9-0005fu-Ii; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:52:33 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeWC9-0005fk-3A for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:52:33 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeWC7-0006WK-L4 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:52:33 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C113898D9; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:52:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D94E898CF; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:52:23 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <44647734.7080307@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:53:24 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.8 (X11/20060502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Spell-checking drafts References: <4463DA23.8010202@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4463DA23.8010202@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: Tools Team Discussion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Seems to work very well! Surprisingly well, in fact, considering that you don't seem to be ignoring "hard" words such as abbreviations. Great stuff, thanks! --Jari P.S. Do we have anything for grammar checking? ("Word" is not an answer I'm looking for.) Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >Hi, > >There are a lot of spell-checking programs out there, and for most >uses I'd go with a command-line invocation of ispell or aspell, >which is available not only on *nix but also on windows. > >I will however eventually add some spell-checking to the online >version of idnits, and as a first step I've culled an IETF-specific >dictionary from the last 2 years of RFCs, augmented this the surnames >of I-D authors taken from xml2rfc's reference bibliography and finally >added a short manually assembled list of words. > >I've also written a web wrapper around aspell, running with this ietf >wordlist, as an early way to so some ID spellchecking: > > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idspell/ > > >Testing and comments are welcome. > > > Henrik > >_______________________________________________ >Tools-discuss mailing list >Tools-discuss@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 12 08:31:10 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeWnQ-00037Y-UM; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:31:04 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeWnP-00037R-RY for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:31:03 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeWnL-0008VB-56 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:31:03 -0400 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 380754F00BE; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:30:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.174]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 May 2006 14:30:49 +0200 Received: from [147.214.237.61] ([147.214.237.61]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 May 2006 14:30:49 +0200 Message-ID: <44647FF9.9010900@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:30:49 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jari Arkko Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Spell-checking drafts References: <4463DA23.8010202@levkowetz.com> <44647734.7080307@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <44647734.7080307@piuha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2006 12:30:49.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[E69CD900:01C675BF] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Cc: Tools Team Discussion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Jari, On 2006-05-12 13:53 Jari Arkko said the following: > Seems to work very well! Surprisingly well, > in fact, considering that you don't seem to > be ignoring "hard" words such as abbreviations. > > Great stuff, thanks! Thanks! > --Jari > > P.S. Do we have anything for grammar checking? > ("Word" is not an answer I'm looking for.) Heh :-) Not yet. There are some possibilities I know of which I'll look at integrating once I'm satisfied with the spelling part, and have hooked that into idnits in a nice manner. Best, Henrik > Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> There are a lot of spell-checking programs out there, and for most >> uses I'd go with a command-line invocation of ispell or aspell, >> which is available not only on *nix but also on windows. >> >> I will however eventually add some spell-checking to the online >> version of idnits, and as a first step I've culled an IETF-specific >> dictionary from the last 2 years of RFCs, augmented this the surnames >> of I-D authors taken from xml2rfc's reference bibliography and finally >> added a short manually assembled list of words. >> >> I've also written a web wrapper around aspell, running with this ietf >> wordlist, as an early way to so some ID spellchecking: >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idspell/ >> >> >> Testing and comments are welcome. >> >> >> Henrik >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 12 08:44:45 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeX0f-00028s-CJ; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:44:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeX0e-00026P-AJ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:44:44 -0400 Received: from mtagate4.de.ibm.com ([195.212.29.153]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeX0c-00018E-TJ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:44:44 -0400 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate4.de.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CCig4H070666 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:44:42 GMT Received: from d12av03.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av03.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.213]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.8) with ESMTP id k4CCk3Tq118640 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:46:03 +0200 Received: from d12av03.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av03.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4CCifuJ014112 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:44:41 +0200 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d12av03.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4CCifoS014103 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:44:41 +0200 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-248-195.de.ibm.com [9.145.248.195]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA42188 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:44:40 +0200 Message-ID: <44648338.3090301@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:44:40 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idspell-0.10 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Cool. Of course it would be great to be able to add words to the dictionary in real time. Brian _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 12 10:43:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeYrI-0007Qg-4x; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:43:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeYrG-0007Ov-DL for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:43:10 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeYrD-0007u9-Ql for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:43:10 -0400 Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.120]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 1EEC64F007D; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:43:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.177]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 May 2006 16:43:04 +0200 Received: from [147.214.237.61] ([147.214.237.61]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 May 2006 16:43:04 +0200 Message-ID: <44649EF8.5010603@ericsson.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:43:04 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian E Carpenter Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idspell-0.10 feedback References: <44648338.3090301@zurich.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <44648338.3090301@zurich.ibm.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2006 14:43:04.0795 (UTC) FILETIME=[606C9AB0:01C675D2] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On 2006-05-12 14:44 Brian E Carpenter said the following: > Cool. > > Of course it would be great to be able to add words to the dictionary > in real time. Agreed! I'd already started thinking about the interface to doing this :-) Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 12 11:07:09 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeZEB-0007qk-6A; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:06:51 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeZEA-0007qf-BX for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:06:50 -0400 Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeZE8-0000UP-W0 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:06:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.42] (pool-71-106-102-77.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.106.102.77]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k4CF62V05021; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4464A454.8050601@isi.edu> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:05:56 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian E Carpenter Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idspell-0.10 feedback References: <44648338.3090301@zurich.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <44648338.3090301@zurich.ibm.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Cool. > > Of course it would be great to be able to add words to the dictionary > in real time. > > Brian While I appreciate the idea of checks to make sure a general document fits the I-D requirements, spell and grammar checks are NOT I-D specific; in fact, I-Ds are likely to stress the edges of both. I don't see putting a full-fledged word processor up as useful; I'd suggest focusing on I-D specific items, spiffing up the user interface, or just leaving it alone. We ought to encourage authors to do their own grammar, spelling, and other checks themselves. Joe _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 12 11:39:33 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeZjh-0005Cy-8Z; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:39:25 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeZjf-00059F-Tl for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:39:23 -0400 Received: from mtagate3.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.136]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeZje-00020G-Hm for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:39:23 -0400 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate3.uk.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CFdLmQ143332 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:39:21 +0100 Received: from d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.212]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.8) with ESMTP id k4CFeG4X064186 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:40:16 +0100 Received: from d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4CFdLbB005286 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:39:21 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4CFdKWU005273; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:39:21 +0100 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-248-195.de.ibm.com [9.145.248.195]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA45866; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:39:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4464AC26.5090500@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:39:18 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Touch Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idspell-0.10 feedback References: <44648338.3090301@zurich.ibm.com> <4464A454.8050601@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <4464A454.8050601@isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org > > We ought to encourage authors to do their own grammar, spelling, and > other checks themselves. I don't agree on spellcheck. An IETF-specific dictionary is very useful. Brian _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 12 12:23:40 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeaQS-00071k-Cn; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:23:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeaQR-00071f-Kq for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:23:35 -0400 Received: from av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeaQQ-0004Lu-66 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:23:35 -0400 Received: by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 7EE093817D; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:23:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A8B37FE2; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:23:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF06637E42; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:23:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FeaQO-0002v7-KR; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:23:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4464B684.40207@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:23:32 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Touch Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idspell-0.10 feedback References: <44648338.3090301@zurich.ibm.com> <4464A454.8050601@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <4464A454.8050601@isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Cc: Brian E Carpenter , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Joe, on 2006-05-12 17:05 Joe Touch said the following: > > Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> Cool. >> >> Of course it would be great to be able to add words to the dictionary >> in real time. >> >> Brian > > While I appreciate the idea of checks to make sure a general document > fits the I-D requirements, spell and grammar checks are NOT I-D > specific; in fact, I-Ds are likely to stress the edges of both. > > I don't see putting a full-fledged word processor up as useful; I'd > suggest focusing on I-D specific items, spiffing up the user interface, > or just leaving it alone. > > We ought to encourage authors to do their own grammar, spelling, and > other checks themselves. I *so* do agree. This has been part of my standard draft-producing pipeline for years, and I at first thought that I'd respond just that to people asking for tools instead of googling and finding them, on the wgchairs list a few days ago. But then I realised that there's one thing which can be provided here which is not generally available, and that is the ietf-specific word list which reduces false positives to something manageable. I see Brian's suggestion in this vein - a possibility for the users to improve the ietf-specific word list, so there'd be less noise and greater significance in a report about N potentially misspelled words. For the same reason, the word-list (generated newly each night) is available for download separately; there's a link on the 'about' page which lets you download that for your own use, offline. (see http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idspell/) Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 12 12:39:11 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeafX-0002BO-Db; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:39:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeafW-00029E-OC for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:39:10 -0400 Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeafV-0005IY-Do for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:39:10 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.42] (pool-71-106-102-77.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.106.102.77]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k4CGTYV24592; Fri, 12 May 2006 09:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4464B7E8.6000503@isi.edu> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:29:28 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idspell-0.10 feedback References: <44648338.3090301@zurich.ibm.com> <4464A454.8050601@isi.edu> <4464B684.40207@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4464B684.40207@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: Brian E Carpenter , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Henrik, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: ... >> We ought to encourage authors to do their own grammar, spelling, and >> other checks themselves. > > I *so* do agree. This has been part of my standard draft-producing > pipeline for years, and I at first thought that I'd respond just > that to people asking for tools instead of googling and finding > them, on the wgchairs list a few days ago. > > But then I realised that there's one thing which can be provided > here which is not generally available, and that is the ietf-specific > word list which reduces false positives to something manageable. Yes, as Biran noted. I *really* like this service, and encourage its development, but I hate to see time spent providing features I can get commercially or free myself. *I-D specific* checks are fantastic; that, IMO should be not only the focus but I encourage it to be the limit of what this does ;-) Joe _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 12 13:24:11 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FebMk-0003SV-VA; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:23:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FebMk-0003SG-4K for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:23:50 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FebMk-0007is-2r for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:23:50 -0400 Received: from av8-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.184]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Feb5z-0000KN-GH for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:06:33 -0400 Received: by av8-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 61A503833F; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:06:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av8-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2405B3802E; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:06:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A501437E44; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:06:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1Feb5q-0004hD-UU; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:06:26 +0200 Message-ID: <4464C08E.4060807@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:06:22 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Touch Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idspell-0.10 feedback References: <44648338.3090301@zurich.ibm.com> <4464A454.8050601@isi.edu> <4464B684.40207@levkowetz.com> <4464B7E8.6000503@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <4464B7E8.6000503@isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Cc: Brian E Carpenter , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi again, on 2006-05-12 18:29 Joe Touch said the following: > Hi, Henrik, > > Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > ... >>> We ought to encourage authors to do their own grammar, spelling, and >>> other checks themselves. >> >> I *so* do agree. This has been part of my standard draft-producing >> pipeline for years, and I at first thought that I'd respond just >> that to people asking for tools instead of googling and finding >> them, on the wgchairs list a few days ago. >> >> But then I realised that there's one thing which can be provided >> here which is not generally available, and that is the ietf-specific >> word list which reduces false positives to something manageable. > > Yes, as Biran noted. > > I *really* like this service, and encourage its development, but I hate > to see time spent providing features I can get commercially or free > myself. *I-D specific* checks are fantastic; that, IMO should be not > only the focus but I encourage it to be the limit of what this does ;-) Then I think we agree. I don't want to turn this into a general spell-checking service; people should be able to find dozens of those using google (... I even think I saw spell checking as a google service somewhere, but I may misremember...). I also have more projects I'd like to do than I know how to handle; so there aren't any idle cycles about to be wasted on overdoing this ;-) Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 18 03:25:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fgcst-0003qK-Uu; Thu, 18 May 2006 03:25:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fgcss-0003qF-8D for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 03:25:22 -0400 Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([158.38.152.233]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fgcsr-0003t8-W6 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 03:25:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CE42596E7 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 09:24:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31425-10 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 09:24:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [193.204.92.54] (guest92-54.conf06.garr.it [193.204.92.54]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC8E2596E3 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 09:24:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <446C215C.3050602@alvestrand.no> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:25:16 +0200 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6d62ab47271805379d7172ee693a45db Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idspell-0.10 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I tried to spellcheck an XML file. The result seems to be less than useful (blank screen). Did I hit a bug? _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 18 05:46:45 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fgf5T-0002nG-Le; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:46:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fgf5S-0002nB-PW for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:46:30 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fgf5S-0003e4-C7 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:46:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2568420001B6 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:46:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32297-09 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:46:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from venus.office (europa.netlab.nec.de [10.1.1.25]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F2520001B5 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:46:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from n-eggert.office ([10.1.1.112]) by venus.office over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 18 May 2006 11:46:29 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n-eggert.office (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15E2C7F6C for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:46:29 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-Id: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> From: Lars Eggert Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:46:27 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2006 09:46:29.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[F03959D0:01C67A5F] X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 Subject: [Tools-discuss] idnits improvement idea X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1240234514==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============1240234514== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-27--12819784; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-27--12819784 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, I just realized that a draft I'm currently reviewing (draft-ietf-rddp- mpa-03.txt) has a non-standard boilerplate that idnits-1.96 doesn't currently detect. Specifically, the authors have included an additional disclaimer section on the last page, and have placed the required paragraphs under unusual headings. Regardless of whether this is OK in this particular case or not, it'd be great if idnits would throw a warning in such cases that something may be fishy. 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av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgfUx-0004x5-NA for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 06:12:52 -0400 Received: by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 7396838206; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:48:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6532238195; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:48:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9744337E4A; Thu, 18 May 2006 12:12:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgfUu-0004e6-DT; Thu, 18 May 2006 12:12:50 +0200 Message-ID: <446C489F.1050005@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:12:47 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harald Alvestrand Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idspell-0.10 feedback References: <446C215C.3050602@alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: <446C215C.3050602@alvestrand.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Harald, on 2006-05-18 09:25 Harald Alvestrand said the following: > I tried to spellcheck an XML file. > The result seems to be less than useful (blank screen). > > Did I hit a bug? Oh, yes - or lacking feature, rather. The current implementation only works on .txt files. Should be easily fixed, though. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 18 07:38:00 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FggpC-0007DX-Dw; Thu, 18 May 2006 07:37:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FggpA-0007DR-Ue for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 07:37:48 -0400 Received: from av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.183]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fggp9-0004GX-Lr for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 07:37:48 -0400 Received: by av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 18A90381D9; Thu, 18 May 2006 13:37:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A91F38115; Thu, 18 May 2006 13:37:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD8637E4A; Thu, 18 May 2006 13:37:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1Fggp7-0000sX-DC; Thu, 18 May 2006 13:37:46 +0200 Message-ID: <446C5C88.4020508@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:37:44 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harald Alvestrand Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idspell-0.10 feedback References: <446C215C.3050602@alvestrand.no> <446C489F.1050005@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <446C489F.1050005@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Harald, on 2006-05-18 12:12 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: > Hi Harald, > > on 2006-05-18 09:25 Harald Alvestrand said the following: >> I tried to spellcheck an XML file. >> The result seems to be less than useful (blank screen). >> >> Did I hit a bug? > > Oh, yes - or lacking feature, rather. The current implementation > only works on .txt files. > > Should be easily fixed, though. This should be fixed now, please try it out. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 18 08:41:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fghoy-0005Oc-5N; Thu, 18 May 2006 08:41:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fghox-0005OX-Lx for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 08:41:39 -0400 Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fghov-0007YJ-C1 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 08:41:39 -0400 Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 8B4CE38226; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AED838175; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3021337E45; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:41:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1Fghos-0002Db-MP; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:41:35 +0200 Message-ID: <446C6B7D.2010802@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:41:33 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits improvement idea References: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> In-Reply-To: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lars, on 2006-05-18 11:46 Lars Eggert said the following: > Hi, > > I just realized that a draft I'm currently reviewing (draft-ietf-rddp- > mpa-03.txt) has a non-standard boilerplate that idnits-1.96 doesn't > currently detect. Specifically, the authors have included an > additional disclaimer section on the last page, and have placed the > required paragraphs under unusual headings. > > Regardless of whether this is OK in this particular case or not, it'd > be great if idnits would throw a warning in such cases that something > may be fishy. Right, I understand. I'm not sure how to make this in a reasonably foolproof way - it's easier to recognize the presence of fixed boiler- plate than to recognize text which is significant in this context, but could use any arbitrary words at all... I'll think a bit about this. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 18 11:28:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgkQ8-0007QX-9t; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:28:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgkQ7-0007QS-Hc for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:28:11 -0400 Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgkQ6-0008WI-4U for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:28:11 -0400 Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 9F59E38269; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:28:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F24F37FF9; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:28:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5110A37E42; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:28:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgkPy-0002xw-4p; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:28:09 +0200 Message-ID: <446C9281.9070807@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:28:01 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits improvement idea References: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> <446C6B7D.2010802@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <446C6B7D.2010802@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1360946900==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1360946900== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE05E9538B249D0EFF77F6026" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE05E9538B249D0EFF77F6026 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi again, idnits v1.97 has a first cut at a mechanism for identifying additional boilerplate-related / copyright-related text, but I'm not sure how large a percentage of cases of added legalese it will catch in practice. It does catch the added text in draft-ietf-rddp-mpa-03.txt. Feedback on how this works in practice will be appreciated. Regards, Henrik on 2006-05-18 14:41 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: > Hi Lars, >=20 > on 2006-05-18 11:46 Lars Eggert said the following: >> Hi, >>=20 >> I just realized that a draft I'm currently reviewing (draft-ietf-rddp-= =20 >> mpa-03.txt) has a non-standard boilerplate that idnits-1.96 doesn't =20 >> currently detect. Specifically, the authors have included an =20 >> additional disclaimer section on the last page, and have placed the =20 >> required paragraphs under unusual headings. >>=20 >> Regardless of whether this is OK in this particular case or not, it'd = =20 >> be great if idnits would throw a warning in such cases that something = =20 >> may be fishy. >=20 > Right, I understand. I'm not sure how to make this in a reasonably > foolproof way - it's easier to recognize the presence of fixed boiler- > plate than to recognize text which is significant in this context, > but could use any arbitrary words at all... >=20 > I'll think a bit about this. --------------enigE05E9538B249D0EFF77F6026 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEbJKBeVhrtTJkXCMRAk8SAJoC7JqCwHjus5SBuRGmJG4pAItCoQCghdjI St21kTcFEzcZ3sRbC6MvrDw= =ZjnU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigE05E9538B249D0EFF77F6026-- --===============1360946900== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1360946900==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 19 12:50:51 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fh8BX-0000mf-VM; Fri, 19 May 2006 12:50:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fh8BW-0000mT-PZ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 19 May 2006 12:50:42 -0400 Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([158.38.152.233]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fh8BT-00044u-FQ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 19 May 2006 12:50:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC67B2596EA; Fri, 19 May 2006 18:49:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23180-01; Fri, 19 May 2006 18:49:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.57] (162.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.162]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642D32596BD; Fri, 19 May 2006 18:49:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <446C4E83.6060606@alvestrand.no> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:37:55 +0200 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idspell-0.10 feedback References: <446C215C.3050602@alvestrand.no> <446C489F.1050005@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <446C489F.1050005@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Harald, > > on 2006-05-18 09:25 Harald Alvestrand said the following: > >> I tried to spellcheck an XML file. >> The result seems to be less than useful (blank screen). >> >> Did I hit a bug? >> > > Oh, yes - or lacking feature, rather. The current implementation > only works on .txt files. > > Should be easily fixed, though. thanks! the only fix I'd urgently recommend is one that puts up a message saying "cant' spellcheck this file" - a blank looks so daunting.... _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 19 13:08:30 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fh8Se-0001hb-Dl; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:08:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fh8Sd-0001hW-7N for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:08:23 -0400 Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fh8Sb-00068R-TH for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:08:23 -0400 Received: from [128.9.168.162] (neo.isi.edu [128.9.168.162]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k4JH7TV00539 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Message-Id: <9FB921C1-46FA-4017-AFF0-74E9EAB76B4E@ISI.EDU> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Aaron Falk Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:07:52 -0700 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: falk@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Subject: [Tools-discuss] IRTF mailing lists X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2055542772==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============2055542772== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-6-100064205" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-6-100064205 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Folks- It's not clear how one creates an IRTF mailing list at https:// datatracker.ietf.org/public/request_list.cgi other than by making a special request in the notes field. --aaron --Apple-Mail-6-100064205 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEbfto/i95hBY97NERAmWoAJ42vvg7MxIH+jyFjkzH9tvqftVGjACfYiFb g0t+Zgey9zc/3FNXy/i2Htg= =Ljrn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-6-100064205-- --===============2055542772== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============2055542772==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon May 22 09:27:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiARa-00034l-Dr; 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Mon, 22 May 2006 15:27:31 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n-eggert.office (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44389C9438 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:27:29 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-Id: <86F1D7D5-5ABD-46E0-87E2-0D30FBFB0D42@netlab.nec.de> From: Lars Eggert Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:27:27 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2006 13:27:31.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A509340:01C67DA3] X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5011df3e2a27abcc044eaa15befcaa87 Subject: [Tools-discuss] idnits reference checker bug X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0470918582==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============0470918582== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-25-346040119; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-25-346040119 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, just came across a small issue with detecting unused references and draft-ietf-avt-rfc2833bis-13.txt. The output has: Experimental warnings: - Unused Reference: [17] is defined on line 2035, but not referenced - Unused Reference: [16] is defined on line 2031, but not referenced [16] and [17] are in fact referenced, but in an appendix. 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id 1FiCQE-0006YT-7b; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:34:18 +0200 Message-ID: <4471D9FA.8070802@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:34:18 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits reference checker bug References: <86F1D7D5-5ABD-46E0-87E2-0D30FBFB0D42@netlab.nec.de> In-Reply-To: <86F1D7D5-5ABD-46E0-87E2-0D30FBFB0D42@netlab.nec.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lars, on 2006-05-22 15:27 Lars Eggert said the following: > Hi, > > just came across a small issue with detecting unused references and > draft-ietf-avt-rfc2833bis-13.txt. The output has: > > Experimental warnings: > - Unused Reference: [17] is defined on line 2035, but not referenced > - Unused Reference: [16] is defined on line 2031, but not referenced > > [16] and [17] are in fact referenced, but in an appendix. Aha. I'll add that to the todo list - shouldn't be too hard to fix. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue May 23 07:27:58 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiV3E-0008GY-HM; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:27:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiV3C-0008GT-U5 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:27:46 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiV3B-0002QR-G2 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:27:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8EE2009085 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:28:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22252-07 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:28:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from venus.office (europa.netlab.nec.de [10.1.1.25]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793252009082 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:28:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from n-eggert.office ([10.1.1.112]) by venus.office over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 23 May 2006 13:27:44 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n-eggert.office (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56AE7C9A31 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:27:44 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <446C9281.9070807@levkowetz.com> References: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> <446C6B7D.2010802@levkowetz.com> <446C9281.9070807@levkowetz.com> Message-Id: <960374C5-409F-4017-BF03-634143F1D9ED@netlab.nec.de> Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits improvement idea Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:27:42 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2006 11:27:44.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[E91EA060:01C67E5B] X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6e922792024732fb1bb6f346e63517e4 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0780534458==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============0780534458== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-29-425255161; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-29-425255161 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On May 18, 2006, at 17:28, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > idnits v1.97 has a first cut at a mechanism for identifying > additional boilerplate-related / copyright-related text, but > I'm not sure how large a percentage of cases of added legalese > it will catch in practice. It does catch the added text in > draft-ietf-rddp-mpa-03.txt. It does find some stuff - great! But :-) it also has a small bug where it doesn't match the boilerplate correctly if that breaks across pages (as in draft-ietf- rmt-bb-tfmcc-07.txt). 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av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjaXm-0004en-4T for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:31:51 -0400 Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 657CD383C1; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:31:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DF738233; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:31:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2BD37E44; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:31:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FjaXe-0004Ep-QW; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:31:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4476E71F.30602@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:31:43 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits improvement idea References: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> <446C6B7D.2010802@levkowetz.com> <446C9281.9070807@levkowetz.com> <960374C5-409F-4017-BF03-634143F1D9ED@netlab.nec.de> In-Reply-To: <960374C5-409F-4017-BF03-634143F1D9ED@netlab.nec.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lars, on 2006-05-23 13:27 Lars Eggert said the following: > On May 18, 2006, at 17:28, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> idnits v1.97 has a first cut at a mechanism for identifying >> additional boilerplate-related / copyright-related text, but >> I'm not sure how large a percentage of cases of added legalese >> it will catch in practice. It does catch the added text in >> draft-ietf-rddp-mpa-03.txt. > > It does find some stuff - great! > > But :-) it also has a small bug where it doesn't match the > boilerplate correctly if that breaks across pages (as in draft-ietf- > rmt-bb-tfmcc-07.txt). This draft is not handled correctly, but the bug is that idnits fails to strip the header lines properly from this draft. Boilerplate breaking across pages is in itself no problem if the header is correctly stripped :-) I've added another header pattern to the header/footer stripping code to handle the draft you mention, and similar ones. Available in idnits v1.99 which I'm putting online in a minute. Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 26 10:43:52 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjdXZ-0001zU-QQ; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:43:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjdXW-0001xb-KG for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:43:46 -0400 Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjdIS-0006C8-MS for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:28:16 -0400 Received: from [128.9.176.72] ([128.9.176.72]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k4QERNI01953; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44771044.5060800@isi.edu> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:27:16 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> <446C6B7D.2010802@levkowetz.com> <446C9281.9070807@levkowetz.com> <960374C5-409F-4017-BF03-634143F1D9ED@netlab.nec.de> <4476E71F.30602@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4476E71F.30602@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Subject: [Tools-discuss] possible bug in template check X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1765266740==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1765266740== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig637AB5B414895B878F817765" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig637AB5B414895B878F817765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Henrik, The template for RFC2119 boilerplate has a bug; there is an extra space before "RFC 2119". Thanks, Joe output ---------------------------------------------------------- Miscellaneous warnings: - The document seems to lack the recommended RFC 2119 boilerplate, even= if it appears to use RFC 2119 keywords -- however, there's a paragraph with a matching beginning. Boilerplate error? RFC 2119 paragraph 2 text: "The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119." ... text found in draft: "The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119].") =2E..................................................^ --------------enig637AB5B414895B878F817765 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEdxBEE5f5cImnZrsRAgyDAKCL5FIbXkmjYx349LRlU8gOLtDrywCgjmfp PWQdQOWjNmEy/wbfA9vukRw= =tqE4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig637AB5B414895B878F817765-- --===============1765266740== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1765266740==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 26 17:24:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fjjnc-0003ma-HF; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:24:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjjnH-0003BE-98; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:24:27 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjirT-00083i-4N; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:24:43 -0400 Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fjic5-0004pv-6n; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:08:51 -0400 Received: from [128.9.168.162] (neo.isi.edu [128.9.168.162]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k4QK7qI05389; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:07:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: From: Aaron Falk Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:07:27 -0700 To: "John Buford" X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: falk@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Cc: action@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, Jeremy Mineweaser Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: request for access to IETF WG status wiki for IRTF SAM RG X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0499604787==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0499604787== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-5-715639331" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-5-715639331 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed John, Jeremy- What you are asking for is larger than just your RG. I agree it would be useful to have RG pages in the wiki that are clearly listed. I think, though, that I will have to talk with the tools team about this. What you can do now, and that requires no additional work from Action or the Tools-team is to create a wiki page for your RG and list it on the IRTF wiki page. Just create logins for yourselves and you should be able to do both. Let me know if you have problems. --aaron On May 26, 2006, at 9:57 AM, John Buford wrote: > > Hi, > > Is it possible for an IRTF RG to have use of the IETF Wiki, > something like: > > IETF Tools -> WG Status Pages -> IRTF -> SAM > http://www1.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki > > If so, can you can you enable access to the wiki for: > > John Buford buford@research.panasonic.com > Jeremy Mineweaser jlm@ll.mit.edu > > Thank you. > > John Buford > Panasonic Princeton Lab > 2 Research Way, 3rd Floor > Princeton, NJ 08540 > buford@research.panasonic.com > +1 609 734 7342 --Apple-Mail-5-715639331 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEd1///i95hBY97NERArkXAJ0X7suSwt1L28EsgDNjJN2EIzac8QCdFZ9w 1OKfjaSuboc0gTpHPuDRJbM= =vudA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-5-715639331-- --===============0499604787== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0499604787==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 26 21:58:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fjo4q-0004Hj-7R; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:58:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fjo4o-0004HZ-S9 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:58:50 -0400 Received: from av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.182]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fjo4n-0006mx-EK for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:58:50 -0400 Received: by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id D68C0380F5; Sat, 27 May 2006 03:34:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88C6380ED; Sat, 27 May 2006 03:34:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A5C37E42; Sat, 27 May 2006 03:58:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fjo4k-000317-S7; Sat, 27 May 2006 03:58:48 +0200 Message-ID: <4477B256.8050904@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 03:58:46 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Touch Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] possible bug in template check References: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> <446C6B7D.2010802@levkowetz.com> <446C9281.9070807@levkowetz.com> <960374C5-409F-4017-BF03-634143F1D9ED@netlab.nec.de> <4476E71F.30602@levkowetz.com> <44771044.5060800@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <44771044.5060800@isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Joe, Arrgh. Quite right you are. Should be fixed now, in version 1.100 Regards, Henrik on 2006-05-26 16:27 Joe Touch said the following: > Hi, Henrik, > > The template for RFC2119 boilerplate has a bug; there is an extra space > before "RFC 2119". > > Thanks, > > Joe > > output > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Miscellaneous warnings: > - The document seems to lack the recommended RFC 2119 boilerplate, even > if it appears to use RFC 2119 keywords -- however, there's a > paragraph with > a matching beginning. Boilerplate error? > > RFC 2119 paragraph 2 text: > "The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", > "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this > document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119." > > ... text found in draft: > "The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", > "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this > document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119].") > ...................................................^ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 31 11:43:35 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlSqx-0007ZZ-MM; Wed, 31 May 2006 11:43:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlSqw-0007ZG-HD for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 11:43:22 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlSqv-0001nO-2t for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 11:43:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CF22007D7F; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:43:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13628-08; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:43:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from venus.office (europa.netlab.nec.de [10.1.1.25]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844FC20001B6; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:43:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from n-eggert.office ([10.1.1.112]) by venus.office over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 31 May 2006 17:43:20 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n-eggert.office (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16785F652F; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:43:19 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <4477B256.8050904@levkowetz.com> References: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> <446C6B7D.2010802@levkowetz.com> <446C9281.9070807@levkowetz.com> <960374C5-409F-4017-BF03-634143F1D9ED@netlab.nec.de> <4476E71F.30602@levkowetz.com> <44771044.5060800@isi.edu> <4477B256.8050904@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Message-Id: <3E4A781F-1386-4C8D-A20C-FA24722A8E32@netlab.nec.de> From: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] possible bug in template check Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:43:16 +0200 To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2006 15:43:20.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1469C20:01C684C8] X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 37af5f8fbf6f013c5b771388e24b09e7 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Joe Touch X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0950051933==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============0950051933== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-33--1015694478; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-33--1015694478 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On May 27, 2006, at 3:58, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Arrgh. Quite right you are. > Should be fixed now, in version 1.100 There may still be an issue: * The document seems to lack an RFC 3978 Section 5.1 IPR Disclosure Acknowledgement -- however, there's a paragraph with a matching beginning. Boilerplate error? RFC 3978 Section 5.1 text: "By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that any applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is aware have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she becomes aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of BCP 79." ... text found in draft: "By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that any applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is aware have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she becomes aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of BCP 79. This ....................................................................^ document may not be modified, and derivative works of it may not be created, except to publish it as an RFC and to translate it into languages other than English.") 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av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.186]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlT9u-0003ul-2k for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 12:02:59 -0400 Received: by av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E568E383DB; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:02:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F46383B9; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:02:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C883C37E43; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:02:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FlT9s-0000XO-66; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:02:56 +0200 Message-ID: <447DBE30.3090209@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:02:56 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] possible bug in template check References: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> <446C6B7D.2010802@levkowetz.com> <446C9281.9070807@levkowetz.com> <960374C5-409F-4017-BF03-634143F1D9ED@netlab.nec.de> <4476E71F.30602@levkowetz.com> <44771044.5060800@isi.edu> <4477B256.8050904@levkowetz.com> <3E4A781F-1386-4C8D-A20C-FA24722A8E32@netlab.nec.de> In-Reply-To: <3E4A781F-1386-4C8D-A20C-FA24722A8E32@netlab.nec.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Joe Touch X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lars, It looks like the text below points to the wrong position in the template code, (at the full stop, rather than the space after it) but otherwise I think it's right about the template not being the regular 3978 template, yes? Henrik on 2006-05-31 17:43 Lars Eggert said the following: > On May 27, 2006, at 3:58, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Arrgh. Quite right you are. >> Should be fixed now, in version 1.100 > > There may still be an issue: > > * The document seems to lack an RFC 3978 Section 5.1 IPR Disclosure > Acknowledgement -- however, there's a paragraph with a matching > beginning. > Boilerplate error? > > RFC 3978 Section 5.1 text: > "By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that any > applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is aware > have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she becomes > aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of BCP 79." > > ... text found in draft: > "By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that any > applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is aware > have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she becomes > aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of BCP 79. > This > ....................................................................^ > document may not be modified, and derivative works of it may not be > created, except to publish it as an RFC and to translate it into > languages other than English.") > > Lars _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 31 12:11:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlTHj-0003B4-Rb; Wed, 31 May 2006 12:11:03 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlTHi-0003Au-61 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 12:11:02 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlTHe-00049F-Ny for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 12:11:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6262007D7E; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:11:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14615-03; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:11:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from venus.office (europa.netlab.nec.de [10.1.1.25]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF0620001B6; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:11:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from n-eggert.office ([10.1.1.112]) by venus.office over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 31 May 2006 18:10:57 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n-eggert.office (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59032F6589; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:10:57 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <447DBE30.3090209@levkowetz.com> References: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> <446C6B7D.2010802@levkowetz.com> <446C9281.9070807@levkowetz.com> <960374C5-409F-4017-BF03-634143F1D9ED@netlab.nec.de> <4476E71F.30602@levkowetz.com> <44771044.5060800@isi.edu> <4477B256.8050904@levkowetz.com> <3E4A781F-1386-4C8D-A20C-FA24722A8E32@netlab.nec.de> <447DBE30.3090209@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] possible bug in template check Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:10:55 +0200 To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2006 16:10:57.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD51C200:01C684CC] X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5011df3e2a27abcc044eaa15befcaa87 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Joe Touch X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0705712771==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============0705712771== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-37--1014036257; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-37--1014036257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On May 31, 2006, at 18:02, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > It looks like the text below points to the wrong position in the > template > code, (at the full stop, rather than the space after it) but > otherwise I > think it's right about the template not being the regular 3978 > template, yes? But it's an addition that is explicitly allowed by Section 5.2 of RFC3978. 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To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] possible bug in template check References: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> <446C6B7D.2010802@levkowetz.com> <446C9281.9070807@levkowetz.com> <960374C5-409F-4017-BF03-634143F1D9ED@netlab.nec.de> <4476E71F.30602@levkowetz.com> <44771044.5060800@isi.edu> <4477B256.8050904@levkowetz.com> <3E4A781F-1386-4C8D-A20C-FA24722A8E32@netlab.nec.de> <447DBE30.3090209@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Joe Touch X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lars, on 2006-05-31 18:10 Lars Eggert said the following: > On May 31, 2006, at 18:02, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> It looks like the text below points to the wrong position in the >> template >> code, (at the full stop, rather than the space after it) but >> otherwise I >> think it's right about the template not being the regular 3978 >> template, yes? > > But it's an addition that is explicitly allowed by Section 5.2 of > RFC3978. Yes, but what http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html requires is the IPR Disclosure, verbatim from [RFC3978] section 5.1. So I think the indication is correct here... Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 31 18:11:32 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlYua-0003tG-95; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:11:32 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlYuZ-0003tA-Gd for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:11:31 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlYuX-0007jB-VB for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:11:31 -0400 Received: from lars.local (p54AD1F70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.173.31.112]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B9E1BAC4D; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 00:02:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lars.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id A172FF6601; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 00:11:25 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <447DC4BE.90005@levkowetz.com> References: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> <446C6B7D.2010802@levkowetz.com> <446C9281.9070807@levkowetz.com> <960374C5-409F-4017-BF03-634143F1D9ED@netlab.nec.de> <4476E71F.30602@levkowetz.com> <44771044.5060800@isi.edu> <4477B256.8050904@levkowetz.com> <3E4A781F-1386-4C8D-A20C-FA24722A8E32@netlab.nec.de> <447DBE30.3090209@levkowetz.com> <447DC4BE.90005@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Message-Id: <11228E11-042D-43B9-B18C-5C40D411E562@netlab.nec.de> From: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] possible bug in template check Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 00:11:23 +0200 To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 36c793b20164cfe75332aa66ddb21196 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Joe Touch X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0988557583==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============0988557583== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-40--992407566; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-40--992407566 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On May 31, 2006, at 18:30, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > on 2006-05-31 18:10 Lars Eggert said the following: >> On May 31, 2006, at 18:02, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >>> It looks like the text below points to the wrong position in the >>> template >>> code, (at the full stop, rather than the space after it) but >>> otherwise I >>> think it's right about the template not being the regular 3978 >>> template, yes? >> >> But it's an addition that is explicitly allowed by Section 5.2 of >> RFC3978. > > Yes, but what http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html requires is the > IPR Disclosure, verbatim from [RFC3978] section 5.1. > > So I think the indication is correct here... Hm. We may have found a discrepancy between the checklist and current procedure here! I have been submitting drafts with the "no derivatives" clause for about two years now (after having an argument with a non-IETF person who claimed that it was OK to copy parts from one of my IDs into other documents without asking, because it didn't include that clause), and the secretariat has always accepted them. 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To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] possible bug in template check References: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> <446C6B7D.2010802@levkowetz.com> <446C9281.9070807@levkowetz.com> <960374C5-409F-4017-BF03-634143F1D9ED@netlab.nec.de> <4476E71F.30602@levkowetz.com> <44771044.5060800@isi.edu> <4477B256.8050904@levkowetz.com> <3E4A781F-1386-4C8D-A20C-FA24722A8E32@netlab.nec.de> <447DBE30.3090209@levkowetz.com> <447DC4BE.90005@levkowetz.com> <11228E11-042D-43B9-B18C-5C40D411E562@netlab.nec.de> In-Reply-To: <11228E11-042D-43B9-B18C-5C40D411E562@netlab.nec.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10d3e4e3c32e363f129e380e644649be Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Joe Touch X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0815506015==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0815506015== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig205104E7457766135EFF77E8" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig205104E7457766135EFF77E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lars, on 2006-06-01 00:11 Lars Eggert said the following: > On May 31, 2006, at 18:30, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> on 2006-05-31 18:10 Lars Eggert said the following: >>> On May 31, 2006, at 18:02, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >>>> It looks like the text below points to the wrong position in the >>>> template >>>> code, (at the full stop, rather than the space after it) but >>>> otherwise I >>>> think it's right about the template not being the regular 3978 >>>> template, yes? >>> >>> But it's an addition that is explicitly allowed by Section 5.2 of >>> RFC3978. >> >> Yes, but what http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html requires is the >> IPR Disclosure, verbatim from [RFC3978] section 5.1. >> >> So I think the indication is correct here... >=20 > Hm. We may have found a discrepancy between the checklist and current = > procedure here! >=20 > I have been submitting drafts with the "no derivatives" clause for =20 > about two years now (after having an argument with a non-IETF person =20 > who claimed that it was OK to copy parts from one of my IDs into =20 > other documents without asking, because it didn't include that =20 > clause), and the secretariat has always accepted them. Yes. But... The ID-Checklist isn't checked by the secretariat, and isn't a requirement for submitting an ID; it's a checklist for drafts submitted for publication as RFC. The document the secretariat goes by is the ID-guidelines (http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.html) which has less strict requirements in some respect, but also has some requirements which aren't= mentioned in the ID-Checklist. idnits started out as a tool with the ambition to check section 1.1 and 1.2 of the ID-checklist, but has gradually also acquired more and more id-guidelines checks, and things like checking unused and undefined references. The output is split in two parts, first one handling ID-Checklist issues, then one handling id-guidelines issues (and recently the experimental warnings at the end). Possibly idnits should have switches to control whether it should check the checklist, the guidelines, and the extra checks. I have no idea which mode should be the default, since idnits usage seems to be shifting from the original early adopters, ADs, via chairs using it before sending a draft up for publication, to now more and more people using it before submitting even early versions. (As an aside, the difference between the checklist and the guidelines are seldom pointed out clearly, and since we don't have one common archival document series for stuff like this, it's not obvious where you find these, and who should apply which. I think Harald's ipod draft is a step in the right direction...) 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