From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 01 03:37:53 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Flhke-0008CD-PZ; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 03:37:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Flhkd-0008C7-CI for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 03:37:51 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Flhkb-0006L9-Rn for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 03:37:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1552007D7F; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:38:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30481-01; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:38:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from venus.office (europa.netlab.nec.de [10.1.1.25]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7C120001B6; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:38:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from n-eggert.office ([10.1.1.112]) by venus.office over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:37:48 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n-eggert.office (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028C2F67D2; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:37:47 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <447E2779.4040007@levkowetz.com> References: <20688ED5-6661-4A4D-ABEF-59D9C89B2513@netlab.nec.de> <446C6B7D.2010802@levkowetz.com> <446C9281.9070807@levkowetz.com> <960374C5-409F-4017-BF03-634143F1D9ED@netlab.nec.de> <4476E71F.30602@levkowetz.com> <44771044.5060800@isi.edu> <4477B256.8050904@levkowetz.com> <3E4A781F-1386-4C8D-A20C-FA24722A8E32@netlab.nec.de> <447DBE30.3090209@levkowetz.com> <447DC4BE.90005@levkowetz.com> <11228E11-042D-43B9-B18C-5C40D411E562@netlab.nec.de> <447E2779.4040007@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] possible bug in template check Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:37:46 +0200 To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2006 07:37:48.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[47FEC4E0:01C6854E] X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3a4bc66230659131057bb68ed51598f8 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Joe Touch X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0404414026==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============0404414026== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-44--958425352; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-44--958425352 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Henrik, On Jun 1, 2006, at 1:32, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > The ID-Checklist isn't checked by the secretariat, and isn't a > requirement for submitting an ID; it's a checklist for drafts > submitted for publication as RFC. > > The document the secretariat goes by is the ID-guidelines > (http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.html) which has less strict > requirements in some respect, but also has some requirements which > aren't > mentioned in the ID-Checklist. good point. > Possibly idnits should have switches to control whether it should > check the checklist, the guidelines, and the extra checks. I have > no idea which mode should be the default, since idnits usage seems > to be shifting from the original early adopters, ADs, via chairs > using it before sending a draft up for publication, to now more and > more people using it before submitting even early versions. IMO it should flag all things fishy together with according to which source of rules those things are flagged, and have command-line options to turn off certain rulesets. But that's probably for the future. For now, I've been convinced that the current behavior is a feature :-) Thanks, Lars -- Lars Eggert NEC Network Laboratories --Apple-Mail-44--958425352 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIKgzCCAyAw ggKJoAMCAQICAw9TWTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDUwODE4MTAyOTU2WhcNMDYwODE4MTAyOTU2WjBgMQ8wDQYDVQQE EwZFZ2dlcnQxDTALBgNVBCoTBExhcnMxFDASBgNVBAMTC0xhcnMgRWdnZXJ0MSgwJgYJKoZIhvcN AQkBFhlsYXJzLmVnZ2VydEBuZXRsYWIubmVjLmRlMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIB CgKCAQEA2gsuG8tAmM6U2ESsQjhcijJSq6oDG2c+KvvXJ/xcJXbSIOY8IInezIP0DP41H0gxwHNv AyOuwM6nh0r2wOhzdr77GlKXiij0LoFOpurScPKsC9KTykGAfZtAuCnWIRdDo67Urcw1e306yYgK xF1UzYwGamLalPjejQTRcjLPIbzM4c7fUN/sxmpkpzT2p6OCJDyPhBfSaZWtv3UEoKF+xssNYzOF 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AF583F856B for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:51:07 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-Id: <1A8EB24A-B1AA-41FD-B2A1-8D711A1529BA@netlab.nec.de> From: Lars Eggert Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:51:06 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2006 09:51:08.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[E85161C0:01C68560] X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b5d20af10c334b36874c0264b10f59f1 Subject: [Tools-discuss] rfcstrip bug X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0526361058==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============0526361058== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--950425276; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-2--950425276 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, FYI, draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt has a crazy header that rfcstrip chokes on. 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([128.9.160.161]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl8Ke-00040z-Cq for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:48:41 -0400 Received: from gra.isi.edu (gra.isi.edu [128.9.160.133]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k4UHlPR21144; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:47:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Braden Received: (from braden@localhost) by gra.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.8.6) id KAA15992; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200605301747.KAA15992@gra.isi.edu> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: braden@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 17:26:49 -0400 Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] An annoyance X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org The IESG directs the RFC Editor to comments about specific documents, listed in their tracker. The RFC Editor displays these comments and prints them out using a browser. But the display contains not hint of the I-D strings to which they apply!! It makes this channel nearly useless. Bob Braden _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 02 03:44:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fm4KH-0001YC-0A; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:44:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fm4KG-0001Qt-7y for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:44:08 -0400 Received: from av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.183]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fm4KE-0003GA-Uo for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:44:08 -0400 Received: by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 267AF386E9; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:44:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192CB38075; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:44:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A20137E49; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:44:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fm4KD-0007u6-El; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:44:05 +0200 Message-ID: <447FEC44.4030508@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:44:04 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] rfcstrip bug References: <1A8EB24A-B1AA-41FD-B2A1-8D711A1529BA@netlab.nec.de> In-Reply-To: <1A8EB24A-B1AA-41FD-B2A1-8D711A1529BA@netlab.nec.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lars, on 2006-06-01 11:51 Lars Eggert said the following: > Hi, > > FYI, draft-ietf-imss-fc-vf-mib-02.txt has a crazy header that > rfcstrip chokes on. Bah. Ok, rfcstrip, idnits and rfcdiff have been updated to handle this variation, too. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jun 03 09:34:10 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FmWGU-0002mM-RO; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:34:06 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FmWGT-0002mH-D3 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:34:05 -0400 Received: from mtagate6.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.139]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FmWGR-0001hC-W4 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:34:05 -0400 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate6.uk.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53DY1uU027940 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:34:01 GMT Received: from d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.213]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.8) with ESMTP id k53DZ9k6127984 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:35:09 +0100 Received: from d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k53DY0RS020988 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:34:00 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k53DY0Jg020980; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:34:00 +0100 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-146-223-120.de.ibm.com [9.146.223.120]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA57156; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:33:57 +0200 Message-ID: <44818FC4.5000303@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:33:56 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Braden Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] An annoyance References: <200605301747.KAA15992@gra.isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <200605301747.KAA15992@gra.isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Bob, Please give an example URL just to avoid ambiguity about the problem. If there is a way to fix this, it will likely end up in Bill's tracker wish list. Brian Bob Braden wrote: > The IESG directs the RFC Editor to comments about specific documents, > listed in their tracker. The RFC Editor displays these comments and > prints them out using a browser. But the display contains not hint of > the I-D strings to which they apply!! > > It makes this channel nearly useless. > > Bob Braden > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 06 04:09:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnWdI-0004PS-Uy; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:09:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnWdH-0004PM-Kn for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:09:47 -0400 Received: from mtagate3.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.136]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnWdF-0008IS-6I for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:09:47 -0400 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate3.uk.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5689gG2025986 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:09:42 +0100 Received: from d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.213]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.8) with ESMTP id k568Apmn141142 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:10:51 +0100 Received: from d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k5689fZF015609 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:09:41 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av03.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5689f2K015604; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:09:41 +0100 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-146-217-178.de.ibm.com [9.146.217.178]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA47752; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:09:40 +0200 Message-ID: <44853845.6080104@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:09:41 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Braden Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] An annoyance References: <200606051714.KAA18145@gra.isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <200606051714.KAA18145@gra.isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4d87d2aa806f79fed918a62e834505ca Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I'm being stupid, but I have to ask another question. How does it reach you if it doesn't reach you as a URL? If it's an email, does that meean the subject field doesn't contain the draft name? Brian Bob Braden wrote: > *> > *> Bob, > *> > *> Please give an example URL just to avoid ambiguity about the problem. > *> If there is a way to fix this, it will likely end up in Bill's tracker wish list. > *> > *> Brian > *> > > Brian, > > I expect that if it had a URL, I might already know the answer. But > it doesn't have a URL either. It begins with: > > [IN IESG DISCUSSION *Discuss*] > > Version: 05 > > Date and Time: 2005-06-06, 07:39:14 > > Commented by: Brian Carpenter > > and continues... > > Bob Braden > > > *> Bob Braden wrote: > *> > The IESG directs the RFC Editor to comments about specific documents, > *> > listed in their tracker. The RFC Editor displays these comments and > *> > prints them out using a browser. But the display contains not hint of > *> > the I-D strings to which they apply!! > *> > > *> > It makes this channel nearly useless. > *> > > *> > Bob Braden > *> > > *> > > *> > _______________________________________________ > *> > Tools-discuss mailing list > *> > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > *> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > *> > > *> > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 06 05:24:15 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnXnH-0005SR-2o; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 05:24:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnXnG-0005SM-Ci for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 05:24:10 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnXnE-0006us-Vc for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 05:24:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908DB2009081 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:24:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28850-10 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:24:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from venus.office (europa.netlab.nec.de [10.1.1.25]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722CE20001B8 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:24:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from n-eggert.office ([10.1.1.112]) by venus.office over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:24:08 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n-eggert.office (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6DF1094F7 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:24:09 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-Id: <3B9EB755-F657-45D7-A21A-ED5D6D3C7161@netlab.nec.de> From: Lars Eggert Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:24:08 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2006 09:24:08.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[F68D7A10:01C6894A] X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a2c12dacc0736f14d6b540e805505a86 Subject: [Tools-discuss] idnits bug X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1806362471==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============1806362471== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-79--520043201; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-79--520043201 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, draft-ietf-pwe3-atm-encap-11.txt contains the RFC2119 boilerplate (without a period at the end) but no reference to RFC2119. idnits 1.101 doesn't catch that. 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Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits bug References: <3B9EB755-F657-45D7-A21A-ED5D6D3C7161@netlab.nec.de> In-Reply-To: <3B9EB755-F657-45D7-A21A-ED5D6D3C7161@netlab.nec.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lars, on 2006-06-06 11:24 Lars Eggert said the following: > Hi, > > draft-ietf-pwe3-atm-encap-11.txt contains the RFC2119 boilerplate > (without a period at the end) but no reference to RFC2119. idnits > 1.101 doesn't catch that. Fixed in v1.102, which now requires a period at the end (possibly with added text between boilerplate and period), and also adds a virtual reference to [RFC2119] if no actual reference is made in the 2119 boilerplate section. The latter seems a bit hacky to me, but I don't have any better solution. Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 06 08:08:04 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnaLs-0001Wr-90; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:08:04 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnIfC-0004TS-B4 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:14:50 -0400 Received: from boreas.isi.edu ([128.9.160.161]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnIfA-0005nA-Qu for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:14:50 -0400 Received: from gra.isi.edu (gra.isi.edu [128.9.160.133]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k55HE7R23987; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:14:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Braden Received: (from braden@localhost) by gra.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.8.6) id KAA18145; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200606051714.KAA18145@gra.isi.edu> To: braden@ISI.EDU, brc@zurich.ibm.com Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] An annoyance X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: braden@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:08:03 -0400 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org *> *> Bob, *> *> Please give an example URL just to avoid ambiguity about the problem. *> If there is a way to fix this, it will likely end up in Bill's tracker wish list. *> *> Brian *> Brian, I expect that if it had a URL, I might already know the answer. But it doesn't have a URL either. It begins with: [IN IESG DISCUSSION *Discuss*] Version: 05 Date and Time: 2005-06-06, 07:39:14 Commented by: Brian Carpenter and continues... Bob Braden *> Bob Braden wrote: *> > The IESG directs the RFC Editor to comments about specific documents, *> > listed in their tracker. The RFC Editor displays these comments and *> > prints them out using a browser. But the display contains not hint of *> > the I-D strings to which they apply!! *> > *> > It makes this channel nearly useless. *> > *> > Bob Braden *> > *> > *> > _______________________________________________ *> > Tools-discuss mailing list *> > Tools-discuss@ietf.org *> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss *> > *> _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 14 03:31:14 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqPqL-0007qL-EG; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:31:13 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqPqJ-0007qG-J0 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:31:11 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqPqI-00073e-2N for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:31:11 -0400 Received: from lars.local (unknown [192.100.124.156]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6FC1BAC4D for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:20:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lars.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2577810F2EC for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:31:03 +0300 (EEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-Id: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> From: Lars Eggert Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:31:00 +0300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6e922792024732fb1bb6f346e63517e4 Subject: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1778604955==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============1778604955== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-50-164369363; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-50-164369363 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, first off, the iCal feature on http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/65/ calendar is awesome! 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(helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqS9E-0000Yv-JN; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:58:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqS9D-0000Yk-Ht for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:58:51 -0400 Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqS9C-00022L-64 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:58:51 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.156]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:58:48 +0200 Received: from l-at8613.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.15.87]) by ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:58:47 +0200 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request From: Thomas Morin To: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: France Telecom R&D Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:58:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1150279127.7983.6.camel@wintermute> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2006 09:58:47.0805 (UTC) FILETIME=[214C3AD0:01C68F99] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Lars Eggert : > > first off, the iCal feature on http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/65/ > calendar is awesome! Indeed! However, there seems to be some issues on http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/66/ : the form page looks correct (correct agenda and so on) but when submitted, the calendar produced (and URL) is the one for IETF 65th... which one may not notice before importing in calendar application and looking for the sessions... :) > Two suggestions that would make it even better: > > - use cookies that remember which sessions I ticked, so I can come > back later and get a new calendar with the same sessions, when the > agenda is updated You can do precisely this by just bookmarking the resulting URL. (though that won't let you update your list afterwards) Cheers, -Thomas _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 14 06:42:55 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqSpp-0005JD-Jm; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:42:53 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqSpn-0005Cv-R4 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:42:51 -0400 Received: from av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqSpm-0004wf-Da for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:42:51 -0400 Received: by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id F128E383FA; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:16:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E8C383F4; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:16:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1512D37E47; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:42:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FqSph-0006nJ-BJ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:42:48 +0200 Message-ID: <448FE824.2050409@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:42:44 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Morin Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <1150279127.7983.6.camel@wintermute> In-Reply-To: <1150279127.7983.6.camel@wintermute> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 Cc: Lars Eggert , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0893425766==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0893425766== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE9C113628E713A62A457AC67" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE9C113628E713A62A457AC67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, on 2006-06-14 11:58 Thomas Morin said the following: > Hi, >=20 > Lars Eggert : >>=20 >> first off, the iCal feature on http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/65/=20 >> calendar is awesome! >=20 > Indeed! >=20 > However, there seems to be some issues on > http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/66/ : the form page looks correct (correct= > agenda and so on) but when submitted, the calendar produced (and URL) i= s > the one for IETF 65th... which one may not notice before importing in > calendar application and looking for the sessions... :) Ooops. I'm taking the link out for now, will look at this later today. >> Two suggestions that would make it even better: >>=20 >> - use cookies that remember which sessions I ticked, so I can come =20 >> back later and get a new calendar with the same sessions, when the =20 >> agenda is updated >=20 > You can do precisely this by just bookmarking the resulting URL. > (though that won't let you update your list afterwards) Correct. If you're using iCal for instance, you can subscribe to the resulting URL, and you'll get the updates automatically. Regards, Henrik --------------enigE9C113628E713A62A457AC67 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEj+gleVhrtTJkXCMRAqIsAJ9XWwUxFDk1t0rIem9L6+5Xk2fUEwCffYmd ZkMXiUc1FP4R98rOX65Wtgo= =Gm9q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigE9C113628E713A62A457AC67-- --===============0893425766== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0893425766==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 14 06:51:04 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqSxk-0000O8-Qk; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:51:04 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqSxj-0000Nz-FL for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:51:03 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqSxh-00058w-Th for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:51:03 -0400 Received: from lars.local (unknown [192.100.124.156]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791EC1BAC4D for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:40:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lars.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E3B10F4E8 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:50:59 +0300 (EEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <448FE824.2050409@levkowetz.com> References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <1150279127.7983.6.camel@wintermute> <448FE824.2050409@levkowetz.com> Message-Id: <5DF9B299-405B-4018-9BAF-4F1D37C9C833@netlab.nec.de> Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:50:57 +0300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a8a20a483a84f747e56475e290ee868e X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1047163285==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============1047163285== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-176366106; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-1-176366106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Jun 14, 2006, at 13:42, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > on 2006-06-14 11:58 Thomas Morin said the following: >>> - use cookies that remember which sessions I ticked, so I can come >>> back later and get a new calendar with the same sessions, when the >>> agenda is updated >> >> You can do precisely this by just bookmarking the resulting URL. >> (though that won't let you update your list afterwards) > > Correct. If you're using iCal for instance, you can subscribe to the > resulting URL, and you'll get the updates automatically. Awesome - thanks for the tip! (It may be good to put that somewhere on the page.) 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mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqY1Y-00028X-Dk for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:15:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.11.2] (vpn-13.research.att.com [135.207.240.13]) by bigmail.research.att.com (8.13.3+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5EGFHKH010418 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <04DCF47D-B297-4F83-9D91-B2F13A3CA014@research.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Bill Fenner Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:15:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Loginmgr-0.13 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I think using two input type="password" fields and verifying that they match is a common paradigm for setting passwords, instead of using a single field with the input visible to shoulder-surfers. Clicking on "Sendlogin" results in an obscure error; I think it's an internal bit which could use being hidden from the user? Bill _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 14 12:22:48 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqY8l-0007Le-Vl; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:22:47 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqY8k-0007LR-Nd for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:22:46 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqY8j-0002WR-7O for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:22:46 -0400 Received: from lars.local (unknown [192.100.124.156]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE0B1BAC4D for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:11:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lars.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E03210F9C8 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:22:42 +0300 (EEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <5DF9B299-405B-4018-9BAF-4F1D37C9C833@netlab.nec.de> References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <1150279127.7983.6.camel@wintermute> <448FE824.2050409@levkowetz.com> <5DF9B299-405B-4018-9BAF-4F1D37C9C833@netlab.nec.de> Message-Id: <5F8FD92D-3C68-4109-BE29-C705DEFE9066@netlab.nec.de> Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Lars Eggert Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:22:41 +0300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Subject: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar bug X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1815519521==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============1815519521== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; 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(helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYCL-0007un-GQ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:26:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYCK-0007uh-HW for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:26:28 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYCJ-0002bm-1m for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:26:28 -0400 Received: from lars.local (unknown [192.100.124.156]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC2E1BAC4D for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:15:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lars.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id D008610F9CF for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:26:24 +0300 (EEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <5F8FD92D-3C68-4109-BE29-C705DEFE9066@netlab.nec.de> References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <1150279127.7983.6.camel@wintermute> <448FE824.2050409@levkowetz.com> <5DF9B299-405B-4018-9BAF-4F1D37C9C833@netlab.nec.de> <5F8FD92D-3C68-4109-BE29-C705DEFE9066@netlab.nec.de> Message-Id: <525D9E8D-722B-437F-A75B-910D79E105BC@netlab.nec.de> Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Lars Eggert Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:26:23 +0300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8de5f93cb2b4e3bee75302e9eacc33db Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: agenda calendar bug X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1481732623==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============1481732623== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-25-196492281; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-25-196492281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jun 14, 2006, at 19:22, Lars Eggert wrote: > hiprg (last session) doesn't have a checkbox on http:// > tools.ietf.org/agenda/66/calendar Oh - the other IRTF sessions (nmrg, samrg, mobopts, etc.) don't have checkboxes either. There also seems to be a parser mistake with the PGP signing session. 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av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYow-0005H7-D9 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:06:23 -0400 Received: by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 01CE737F56; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:40:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FD237E53; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:40:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2D237E45; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:06:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FqYos-0003Jb-PP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:06:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4490420A.1010909@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:06:18 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: agenda calendar bug References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <1150279127.7983.6.camel@wintermute> <448FE824.2050409@levkowetz.com> <5DF9B299-405B-4018-9BAF-4F1D37C9C833@netlab.nec.de> <5F8FD92D-3C68-4109-BE29-C705DEFE9066@netlab.nec.de> <525D9E8D-722B-437F-A75B-910D79E105BC@netlab.nec.de> In-Reply-To: <525D9E8D-722B-437F-A75B-910D79E105BC@netlab.nec.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1473073730==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1473073730== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig8A8C11A4A7E0571AB9CB84E8" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig8A8C11A4A7E0571AB9CB84E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi again, on 2006-06-14 18:26 Lars Eggert said the following: > On Jun 14, 2006, at 19:22, Lars Eggert wrote: >> hiprg (last session) doesn't have a checkbox on http://=20 >> tools.ietf.org/agenda/66/calendar >=20 > Oh - the other IRTF sessions (nmrg, samrg, mobopts, etc.) don't have =20 > checkboxes either. Right. > There also seems to be a parser mistake with the PGP signing session. Aha. Hadn't noticed this. I'll have a look at it. Regards, Henrik --------------enig8A8C11A4A7E0571AB9CB84E8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEkEIKeVhrtTJkXCMRAnCLAKC8QJ6Rv5kRGu3Q2mppewXB27bsZgCgqX1g tJuniUw+KcaMN7FP00CQiRU= =456I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig8A8C11A4A7E0571AB9CB84E8-- --===============1473073730== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1473073730==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 14 13:13:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYvp-0000UN-Ef; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:13:29 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYvn-0000Rc-Om for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:13:27 -0400 Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYnz-0005Fd-9p for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:05:24 -0400 Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 974353833F; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:05:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AFA37EBD; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:05:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD7B37E45; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:05:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FqYnw-0003GV-Jk; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:05:20 +0200 Message-ID: <449041D0.9060407@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:05:20 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar bug References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <1150279127.7983.6.camel@wintermute> <448FE824.2050409@levkowetz.com> <5DF9B299-405B-4018-9BAF-4F1D37C9C833@netlab.nec.de> <5F8FD92D-3C68-4109-BE29-C705DEFE9066@netlab.nec.de> In-Reply-To: <5F8FD92D-3C68-4109-BE29-C705DEFE9066@netlab.nec.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1645357036==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1645357036== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE05BB5D5CDBB0A87DEBCC091" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE05BB5D5CDBB0A87DEBCC091 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lars, on 2006-06-14 18:22 Lars Eggert said the following: > hiprg (last session) doesn't have a checkbox on http://tools.ietf.org/ = > agenda/66/calendar Right. (The same is the case with all IRTF groups which are spelled with uppercase letters in the text version of the agenda, too). Working on it :-) Henrik --------------enigE05BB5D5CDBB0A87DEBCC091 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEkEHQeVhrtTJkXCMRAruBAJ9Sy9LBJjxqHEScZaKt6iiThqBKoQCg1Uav qyTvYkGwe7lOiJtuxtARUAA= =Rexi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigE05BB5D5CDBB0A87DEBCC091-- --===============1645357036== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1645357036==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 14 13:14:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYwL-00014Q-Hp; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:14:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYvu-0000ZX-Ix for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:13:34 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYg6-0004cs-Hf for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:57:14 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYg3-0006JK-KP for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:57:14 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Jun 2006 09:57:11 -0700 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5EGvA9X013749; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:57:10 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k5EGvACU011378; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:57:10 -0700 Received: from [10.32.244.219] ([10.32.244.219]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:57:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1A152013-C815-4AF5-92A1-863D65126A4D@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Fred Baker Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:57:05 -0700 To: Lars Eggert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2006 16:57:10.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[93844B30:01C68FD3] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=163; t=1150304230; x=1151168230; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[Tools-discuss]=20agenda=20calendar=20request; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DGjnmuMC9lgrrars84XKrKsiLFE0=3D; b=lqlFn+piUPcywBJniIGZoAP1lAVnkVGb2b5F/jcdUrBDngm6SFM3ZyeVGXDvGsqrgD0F6DmG RSUVoCbEXvh+/EIRofC7fxwbmMF4JCKeJuqfLeEfpvZdxamxu2JIweRV; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2.cisco.com; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On Jun 14, 2006, at 12:31 AM, Lars Eggert wrote: > first off, the iCal feature on http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/65/ > calendar is awesome! Very much so! _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 14 13:14:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYxH-0001L4-Oe; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:14:59 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYvo-0000Qd-JC for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:13:28 -0400 Received: from av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.183]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYmn-0005Bg-32 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:04:11 -0400 Received: by av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 6A6B2380F1; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:04:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC6F38078; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:04:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3E237E46; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:04:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FqYmj-00037W-Jn; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:04:05 +0200 Message-ID: <44904185.8010104@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:04:05 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Fenner Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Loginmgr-0.13 feedback References: <04DCF47D-B297-4F83-9D91-B2F13A3CA014@research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <04DCF47D-B297-4F83-9D91-B2F13A3CA014@research.att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0992621671==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0992621671== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig05D09BCB89C33DBFBF8DD078" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig05D09BCB89C33DBFBF8DD078 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bill, on 2006-06-14 18:15 Bill Fenner said the following: > I think using two input type=3D"password" fields and verifying that =20 > they match is a common paradigm for setting passwords, instead of =20 > using a single field with the input visible to shoulder-surfers. Right. I'll fix this. > Clicking on "Sendlogin" results in an obscure error; I think it's an =20 > internal bit which could use being hidden from the user? Right. That link is an artifact of the build process. I'll see if I can get rid of it without too much trouble. I'm also considering having a separate copy of the newlogin page without all the tool related links placed somewhere else - that would handle this comment, and not give the average user a lot of links which may be irrelevant to him. Thanks for the feedback :-) Henrik --------------enig05D09BCB89C33DBFBF8DD078 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEkEGFeVhrtTJkXCMRAq4bAKCvybdB/OaaCKURVYAlBPxm4EeDywCgjIUb wO8S2F3qX48DvPrwrcNUnhQ= =UBgN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig05D09BCB89C33DBFBF8DD078-- --===============0992621671== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0992621671==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 22 10:45:45 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtQRE-00048v-2G; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:45:44 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtQRC-00048q-DR for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:45:42 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtQRA-0003G1-Ux for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:45:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1934120031DD for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:46:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06721-07 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:46:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from venus.office (europa.netlab.nec.de [10.1.1.25]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED8020001B5 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:46:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from n-eggert.office ([10.1.1.112]) by venus.office over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:45:40 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n-eggert.office (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7B511B89E for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:45:40 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> Message-Id: Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:45:38 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2006 14:45:40.0205 (UTC) FILETIME=[87FE09D0:01C6960A] X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1a1bf7677bfe77d8af1ebe0e91045c5b X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1103319511==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============1103319511== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-881647232; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-3-881647232 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, I'd be nice if there was a second button that would generate a calendar without timezone information. Also, although this worked last week, I can no longer subscribe to an agenda calendar in ical. I *can* download and import it, which makes me think it must be pilot error, or our admins have messed with squid again... 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2006 18:35:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtXlU-000314-Uh for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:35:08 -0400 Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtXlT-0006oN-Io for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:35:08 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.156]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:58:52 +0200 Received: from l-at8613.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.15.87]) by ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:58:52 +0200 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request From: Thomas Morin To: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: France Telecom R&D Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:58:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1150988331.10217.69.camel@wintermute> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2006 14:58:52.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FF39250:01C6960C] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Lars Eggert : > Also, although this worked last week, I can no longer subscribe to an > agenda calendar in ical. I *can* download and import it, which makes > me think it must be pilot error, or our admins have messed with squid > again... > > Here's a URL that gives me this issue: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/ > 66/ics/ietf-66-offpath+rmt+ternli+tsvwg+tsvwg+nfsv4+behave+fecframe > +rohc+rohc+nsis+ippm+rserpool+ips+tsvarea+tcpm+nsis+Technical.ics I also had some strange errors. After digging a bit, it looks like the first time somebody asks for a calendar wich X and Y groups, a 404 is returned, but the next time somebody asks for it, it works. from laptop: wget 'http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/66/ics/ietf-66-xcon +speermint+sidr.ics' => 404 Error repeat from laptop: wget 'http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/66/ics/ietf-66-xcon+speermint+sidr.ics' => works ! from another machine: wget 'http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/66/ics/ietf-66-xcon+speermint+sidr.ics' => works the first time ! (blind guess: is there some "caching" that wouldn't be fully working yet ?) In anycase, this iCalendar feature is a great feature ! Webcal subscription works fine for me from Evolution 2.6 under Linux. -Thomas _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 22 20:16:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtZL7-0007QI-1o; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:16:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtZL6-0007ON-1k for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:16:00 -0400 Received: from av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.180]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtZL4-0004Pw-KB for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:16:00 -0400 Received: by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id C52043801D; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:15:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D3637EFD; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:15:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C9D37E42; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:15:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FtZL2-0006Yd-OK; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:15:56 +0200 Message-ID: <449B32BB.6030406@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:15:55 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4d87d2aa806f79fed918a62e834505ca Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1893306129==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1893306129== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigED8523102093AD5B856B6E79" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigED8523102093AD5B856B6E79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lars, on 2006-06-22 16:45 Lars Eggert said the following: > Hi, >=20 > I'd be nice if there was a second button that would generate a =20 > calendar without timezone information. Ok. I'll see if I can arrange that. I wouldn't bet on it for IETF-66, though. > Also, although this worked last week, I can no longer subscribe to an = > agenda calendar in ical. I *can* download and import it, which makes =20 > me think it must be pilot error, or our admins have messed with squid = > again... >=20 > Here's a URL that gives me this issue: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/=20 > 66/ics/ietf-66-offpath+rmt+ternli+tsvwg+tsvwg+nfsv4+behave+fecframe=20 > +rohc+rohc+nsis+ippm+rserpool+ips+tsvarea+tcpm+nsis+Technical.ics Hmm. I can't reproduce it here - iCal let's me subscribe to that URL. I've not seen any subscribe problems here; but I have seen refresh problems, which I suspect may be related to a format problem. Further investigation will take place... Regards, Henrik --------------enigED8523102093AD5B856B6E79 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEmzK7eVhrtTJkXCMRAilOAKDScE9tV1PwhtO6bCEiZh1l9I2zCwCghoWL SvAlccZIESRnEYJ9ry6/654= =QJIT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigED8523102093AD5B856B6E79-- --===============1893306129== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1893306129==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 22 20:21:09 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtZQ5-0007kD-Su; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:21:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtZQ4-0007hx-JW for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:21:08 -0400 Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtZQ3-000575-4A for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:21:08 -0400 Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 1FFED380D3; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:21:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1173937F8D; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:21:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C97A37E42; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:21:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FtZPo-0000Dz-0P; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:20:54 +0200 Message-ID: <449B33E3.3020107@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:20:51 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Morin Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <1150988331.10217.69.camel@wintermute> In-Reply-To: <1150988331.10217.69.camel@wintermute> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a Cc: Lars Eggert , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0109170125==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0109170125== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9E3D549857A863A0891DAF62" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9E3D549857A863A0891DAF62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Thomas, on 2006-06-22 16:58 Thomas Morin said the following: =2E.. > I also had some strange errors. After digging a bit, it looks like the > first time somebody asks for a calendar wich X and Y groups, a 404 is > returned, but the next time somebody asks for it, it works. >=20 > from laptop: wget 'http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/66/ics/ietf-66-xcon > +speermint+sidr.ics' =3D> 404 Error > repeat from laptop: wget > 'http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/66/ics/ietf-66-xcon+speermint+sidr.ics' > =3D> works ! > from another machine: wget > 'http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/66/ics/ietf-66-xcon+speermint+sidr.ics' > =3D> works the first time ! >=20 > (blind guess: is there some "caching" that wouldn't be fully working > yet ?) There obviously is something which isn't working properly. The way it's supposed to work, there should be a 404 error handling script which catches the first request and generates the file. Following= requests should simply retrieve the file. So from your description it seems as if the script is triggered, but doesn't return the file it creates, which it should. I'll investigate. > In anycase, this iCalendar feature is a great feature ! > Webcal subscription works fine for me from Evolution 2.6 under Linux. Ah! That's good news. I haven't had the opportunity to test that myself. I knew that iCal and Outlook seems to work (with possible imperfections). Thanks, Henrik --------------enig9E3D549857A863A0891DAF62 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEmzPjeVhrtTJkXCMRAo7PAKCieGD4SbwI/JMshVznrFE85D4JLwCgxXk8 dOCRmv6Aa7jsLpDxbvY4wqI= =jSG5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9E3D549857A863A0891DAF62-- --===============0109170125== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0109170125==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 22 20:30:51 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtZZS-00056n-Kr; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:30:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtZZS-00056e-4g for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:30:50 -0400 Received: from av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.182]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtZZQ-0006CS-Qs for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:30:50 -0400 Received: by av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 4F89A37F76; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:30:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400CE37E62; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:30:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3555D37E43; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:30:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FtZZO-0005I6-1q; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:30:47 +0200 Message-ID: <449B3635.8040003@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:30:45 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Morin Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <1150988331.10217.69.camel@wintermute> In-Reply-To: <1150988331.10217.69.camel@wintermute> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi again, on 2006-06-22 16:58 Thomas Morin said the following: ... > from laptop: wget 'http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/66/ics/ietf-66-xcon > +speermint+sidr.ics' => 404 Error > repeat from laptop: wget > 'http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/66/ics/ietf-66-xcon+speermint+sidr.ics' > => works ! I think I've fixed this now. Let me know if it still doesn't work for you on the first access, or you observe further anomalies. Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 23 08:00:52 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtkLC-0001hK-Vf; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:00:50 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtkLB-0001hF-Em for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:00:49 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FthsW-0005eH-UF for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 05:23:04 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FthhU-00069V-4L for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 05:11:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7B720031E0 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:12:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23556-01 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:12:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from venus.office (europa.netlab.nec.de [10.1.1.25]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000CB20001B5 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:11:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from n-eggert.office ([10.1.1.112]) by venus.office over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:11:39 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n-eggert.office (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C37611BDBE for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:11:38 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> Message-Id: Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:11:35 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2006 09:11:39.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[0902B360:01C696A5] X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 14582b0692e7f70ce7111d04db3781c8 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1913320510==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============1913320510== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-948004567; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-5-948004567 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jun 22, 2006, at 16:45, Lars Eggert wrote: > Also, although this worked last week, I can no longer subscribe to > an agenda calendar in ical. I *can* download and import it, which > makes me think it must be pilot error, or our admins have messed > with squid again... For the record, this turned out to be an issue with the local web cache. 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Reason='EMC_BODY_1+ -3, EMC_FROM_0+ -2, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __IMS_MUA 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __STOCK_CRUFT 0' X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:39:50 -0400 Cc: Black_David@emc.com Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.102 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org For one of my WGs, I just had an Internet-Draft that passed idnits rejected by the Secretariat with: The Secretariat CANNOT process your Internet-Draft submission due to following reason(s): * All Internet-Drafts must have on the first page an intellectual property rights (IPR) statement that says: By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that any applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he The required statement was present, but *not* on the first page. Please enhance idnits to check that this paragraph is on the first page to save the next "creative" author who tries this ... Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 23 08:54:56 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtlBX-0004Mw-Ic; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:54:55 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtlBW-0004Mr-QN for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:54:54 -0400 Received: from av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.186]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtlBV-0003u3-GH for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:54:54 -0400 Received: by av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id A25E1388F5; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:54:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92257388F3; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:54:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F47037E46; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:54:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FtlBT-00083y-DY; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:54:51 +0200 Message-ID: <449BE49B.1000602@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:54:51 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Black_David@emc.com Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.102 feedback References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi David, on 2006-06-22 18:00 Black_David@emc.com said the following: > For one of my WGs, I just had an Internet-Draft that passed idnits > rejected by the Secretariat with: > > The Secretariat CANNOT process your Internet-Draft submission due to > following reason(s): * All Internet-Drafts must have on the first page an > intellectual property > rights (IPR) statement that says: > > By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents > that any applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he > > The required statement was present, but *not* on the first page. > Please enhance idnits to check that this paragraph is on the > first page to save the next "creative" author who tries this ... Ah. Good point. I'll add it to the next version. Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 23 09:05:28 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtlLj-0006Ee-Md; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:05:27 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtlLh-0005rb-FN for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:05:25 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtlLg-0004Je-0z for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:05:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB3320031DF for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:05:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27772-09 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:05:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from venus.office (europa.netlab.nec.de [10.1.1.25]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F36C20001B5 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:05:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from n-eggert.office ([10.1.1.112]) by venus.office over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:05:23 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n-eggert.office (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788D511D40C for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:05:22 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-Id: <4FC79817-930D-4EEB-B09B-E60F1223BA97@netlab.nec.de> From: Lars Eggert Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:05:19 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2006 13:05:23.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[B013D010:01C696C5] X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a8a20a483a84f747e56475e290ee868e Subject: [Tools-discuss] idnits doesn't find all missing references X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1553676284==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============1553676284== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-19-962028683; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-19-962028683 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, draft-ietf-rddp-sctp-04 includes both symbolic and numbered references to other documents (the symbolic ones must be left over from an earlier revision). For example: "Any direct placement of memory could pose a significant security risk if adequate local controls are not provided. These threats are addressed in the appropriate DDP [DDP-Draft] [3], RDMA [RDMA-Draft] [4] or Security [RDMA-Security] [5] drafts." The references section only includes numbered references, but idnits does not warn about the missing symbolic ones. 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([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FujIA-0006Q8-BW for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 01:05:48 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.42] (pool-71-106-102-77.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.106.102.77]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k5Q54S226335; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <449F6AD5.6080000@isi.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:04:21 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> In-Reply-To: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0762931960==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0762931960== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB770CB1265652B76F1DBBD22" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB770CB1265652B76F1DBBD22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lars Eggert wrote: > Hi, >=20 > first off, the iCal feature on http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/65/calendar= > is awesome! Agreed- two comments: 1) there appears to be a bug in the output right now; two of the lines appear to lack a preceding carriage return: END:VTIMEZONEBEGIN:VEVENT (line appears once) END:VEVENTBEGIN:VEVENT (line appears N-1 times for N events) END:VEVENTEND:CALENDAR (line appears once) 2) the output is currently only in ics format; I wrote a converter called ics2vcs which it might be useful to either put a link to, or to add as an click-box (e.g., for Palm desktop output). http://www.isi.edu/touch/tools/#software Joe --------------enigB770CB1265652B76F1DBBD22 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEn2rVE5f5cImnZrsRAp3MAJ4kVdSgU+GEwUNajK6Ryyl1msWEnACggueR cdFJJKcY8/ak74OasIsTXag= =aomD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB770CB1265652B76F1DBBD22-- --===============0762931960== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0762931960==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 26 06:16:27 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fuo8j-0008EW-Is; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:16:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fuo83-0007KY-Fw for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:15:39 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fun8A-0002zl-Ny for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:11:42 -0400 Received: from av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.180]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FumwW-0002bZ-IR for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 04:59:42 -0400 Received: by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 296043816A; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:59:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B31138148; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:59:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B702037E42; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:59:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FumwM-0003l3-AP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:59:30 +0200 Message-ID: <449FA1EA.2060605@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:59:22 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Touch Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <449F6AD5.6080000@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <449F6AD5.6080000@isi.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0432704511==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0432704511== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig06EF2A1C8E53C06F6F8FAA8A" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig06EF2A1C8E53C06F6F8FAA8A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joe, on 2006-06-26 07:04 Joe Touch said the following: >=20 > Lars Eggert wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> first off, the iCal feature on http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/65/calenda= r >> is awesome! >=20 > Agreed- two comments: >=20 > 1) there appears to be a bug in the output right now; two of the lines > appear to lack a preceding carriage return: >=20 > END:VTIMEZONEBEGIN:VEVENT > (line appears once) >=20 > END:VEVENTBEGIN:VEVENT > (line appears N-1 times for N events) >=20 > END:VEVENTEND:CALENDAR > (line appears once) >=20 Bah. I was tweaking the scripts yesterday evening, and was a bit too clever at one point. Should be fixed now. > 2) the output is currently only in ics format; I wrote a converter > called ics2vcs which it might be useful to either put a link to, or to > add as an click-box (e.g., for Palm desktop output). > http://www.isi.edu/touch/tools/#software Splendid. I picked it up and slotted it in. Both .ical and .vcal files should now be provided. Importing the .vcal to iCal works fine, but I notice that time zone information is missing - I saw from your comment that early PalmPilots didn't support time zone info? Is it reasonable to add this at this time? Thanks and regards, Henrik --------------enig06EF2A1C8E53C06F6F8FAA8A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEn6HweVhrtTJkXCMRAqY5AJ9B+xL45lMfqnPOHdYNrNsknPji8gCg3CMt Ex2aCpgbAf7wRkOZgZtHTto= =hGsV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig06EF2A1C8E53C06F6F8FAA8A-- --===============0432704511== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0432704511==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 26 08:28:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FuqD3-0008Dj-0z; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:28:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FunHJ-0006T4-AM for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:21:09 -0400 Received: from rsys002x.roke.co.uk ([193.118.201.109]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fun8K-00030S-Ev for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:11:57 -0400 Received: from rsys005a.comm.ad.roke.co.uk (rsys005a [193.118.193.85]) by rsys002x.roke.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5Q9BhVd014366 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:11:43 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C69900.8B1970B1" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:11:43 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Idnits-1.103 feedback Thread-Index: AcaZAIsbzxTn4FoERDKQaNbrC/BUsw== From: "Finking, Robert" To: X-MailScanner-roke.co.uk: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-roke.co.uk-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: robert.finking@roke.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e3d6116bc628b501d8bf210aa5054fe6 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:28:56 -0400 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.103 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69900.8B1970B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Just did a final check before submission on a draft that's been idnits clean for a while and got the following back, what is it saying? (looks like debug info?): idnits 1.103=20 tmp/draft-ietf-rohc-formal-notation-10.txt: ref_use[RFC3095] =3D 176 ref_use[RFC3095] =3D 255 ref_use[RFC3095] =3D 299 ref_use[RFC791] =3D 550 ref_use[RFC2822] =3D 713 ref_use[C90] =3D 942 ref_use[RFC3095] =3D 1157 ref_use[RFC1662] =3D 1367 ref_use[RFC3095] =3D 1391 ref_use[RFC2234] =3D 2089 etc. Draft attached. 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Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:46:41 -0400 Received: from av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.183]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FuqUA-0004YR-Nm for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:46:41 -0400 Received: by av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 08AEE38155; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:46:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF08F37F28; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:46:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F4237E43; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:46:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FuqU7-00041t-3c; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:46:35 +0200 Message-ID: <449FD729.8070807@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:46:33 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Finking, Robert" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.103 feedback References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Robert, on 2006-06-26 11:11 Finking, Robert said the following: > Hi, > > Just did a final check before submission on a draft that's been idnits > clean for a while and got the following back, what is it saying? (looks > like debug info?): It is, indeed. I assume you requested very verbose output from the web- service, or ran the command line tool with --verbose --verbose? What it says is that the internal array holding reference usage info for RFC3095 was set to 176 (line 176), then was set to 255 (line 255), then to 299, etc. I should have upped the verbosity level required to show this - I've now changed the script so you never see this from the web-service, and need to use --verbose --verbose --verbose to see it from the command line. (I haven't changed the version number, as there's no non-debug functionality change here...) Thanks for reporting this! Regards, Henrik > idnits 1.103 > > tmp/draft-ietf-rohc-formal-notation-10.txt: > > ref_use[RFC3095] = 176 > ref_use[RFC3095] = 255 > ref_use[RFC3095] = 299 > ref_use[RFC791] = 550 > ref_use[RFC2822] = 713 > ref_use[C90] = 942 > ref_use[RFC3095] = 1157 > ref_use[RFC1662] = 1367 > ref_use[RFC3095] = 1391 > ref_use[RFC2234] = 2089 > etc. > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 26 09:06:27 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FuqnK-00023e-K7; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:06:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FuqnJ-00023Y-Cy for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:06:25 -0400 Received: from rsys002x.roke.co.uk ([193.118.201.109]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FuqnH-0006xu-UM for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:06:25 -0400 Received: from rsys005a.comm.ad.roke.co.uk (rsys005a [193.118.193.85]) by rsys002x.roke.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5QD6ILj019995; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:06:18 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.103 feedback Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:06:18 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.103 feedback Thread-Index: AcaZHrCon5KQwPvfRcGPdHWVvDg7xAAAlvuA From: "Finking, Robert" To: "Henrik Levkowetz" X-MailScanner-roke.co.uk: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-roke.co.uk-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: robert.finking@roke.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Henrik, No problem and thanks for the excellent tool - it has caught quite a lot of nits for me over the past year or two =3D) Yes it was through the web interface with "very verbose" setting switched on. Thanks again Raffles > -----Original Message----- > From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:47 PM > To: Finking, Robert > Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-1.103 feedback >=20 >=20 > Hi Robert, >=20 > on 2006-06-26 11:11 Finking, Robert said the following: > > Hi, > >=20 > > Just did a final check before submission on a draft that's=20 > been idnits=20 > > clean for a while and got the following back, what is it saying?=20 > > (looks like debug info?): >=20 > It is, indeed. I assume you requested very verbose output=20 > from the web- service, or ran the command line tool with=20 > --verbose --verbose? >=20 > What it says is that the internal array holding reference=20 > usage info for RFC3095 was set to 176 (line 176), then was=20 > set to 255 (line 255), then to 299, etc. >=20 > I should have upped the verbosity level required to show this=20 > - I've now changed the script so you never see this from the=20 > web-service, and need to use --verbose --verbose --verbose to=20 > see it from the command line. >=20 > (I haven't changed the version number, as there's no=20 > non-debug functionality change here...) >=20 > Thanks for reporting this! >=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 > > idnits 1.103 > >=20 > > tmp/draft-ietf-rohc-formal-notation-10.txt: > >=20 > > ref_use[RFC3095] =3D 176 > > ref_use[RFC3095] =3D 255 > > ref_use[RFC3095] =3D 299 > > ref_use[RFC791] =3D 550 > > ref_use[RFC2822] =3D 713 > > ref_use[C90] =3D 942 > > ref_use[RFC3095] =3D 1157 > > ref_use[RFC1662] =3D 1367 > > ref_use[RFC3095] =3D 1391 > > ref_use[RFC2234] =3D 2089 > > etc. > >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 26 10:13:50 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FurqW-0000kd-3M; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:13:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FurqU-0000kY-US for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:13:46 -0400 Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FurqT-00036F-IE for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:13:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.42] (pool-71-106-102-77.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.106.102.77]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k5QECs207973; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <449FEB5E.8020108@isi.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:12:46 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <449F6AD5.6080000@isi.edu> <449FA1EA.2060605@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <449FA1EA.2060605@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1346743736==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1346743736== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE8B47B932F22A40074F0A30C" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE8B47B932F22A40074F0A30C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henrik Levkowetz wrote: =2E.. >> 2) the output is currently only in ics format; I wrote a converter >> called ics2vcs which it might be useful to either put a link to, or to= >> add as an click-box (e.g., for Palm desktop output). >> http://www.isi.edu/touch/tools/#software >=20 > Splendid. I picked it up and slotted it in. Both .ical and .vcal > files should now be provided. Importing the .vcal to iCal works > fine, but I notice that time zone information is missing - I saw from > your comment that early PalmPilots didn't support time zone info? The issue is actually the desktop. Palm 5x OS devices support timezones, but the desktop doesn't. I haven't figured out how to convert the timezone block reliably, perhaps for this reason. That's why it's just deleted in the .vcs output. > Is it reasonable to add this at this time? I can take another look at it and see if I can enable it experimentally, e.g., via a command line switch (after the IETF, though). Joe --------------enigE8B47B932F22A40074F0A30C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEn+teE5f5cImnZrsRAkrhAJ4qDLGXdfNNZQjwd8fROSRhy/fPGgCdH3Bq 0DdmdyzeU/iaP0MeMQWanaA= =2TYU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigE8B47B932F22A40074F0A30C-- --===============1346743736== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1346743736==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 26 10:18:06 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Furuf-0004fi-Np; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:18:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Furue-0004Tq-7d for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:18:04 -0400 Received: from av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Furuc-0003bs-PV for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:18:04 -0400 Received: by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 54CD038132; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:18:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445E137F01; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:18:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C087A37E46; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:18:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FuruI-0003w6-3B; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:17:53 +0200 Message-ID: <449FEC84.2000807@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:17:40 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Touch Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <449F6AD5.6080000@isi.edu> <449FA1EA.2060605@levkowetz.com> <449FEB5E.8020108@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <449FEB5E.8020108@isi.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0443398330==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0443398330== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigFFB0671EEC784F61613BB86E" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigFFB0671EEC784F61613BB86E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joe, on 2006-06-26 16:12 Joe Touch said the following: >=20 > Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > ... >>> 2) the output is currently only in ics format; I wrote a converter >>> called ics2vcs which it might be useful to either put a link to, or t= o >>> add as an click-box (e.g., for Palm desktop output). >>> http://www.isi.edu/touch/tools/#software >>=20 >> Splendid. I picked it up and slotted it in. Both .ical and .vcal >> files should now be provided. Importing the .vcal to iCal works >> fine, but I notice that time zone information is missing - I saw from >> your comment that early PalmPilots didn't support time zone info? >=20 > The issue is actually the desktop. Palm 5x OS devices support timezones= , > but the desktop doesn't. I haven't figured out how to convert the > timezone block reliably, perhaps for this reason. That's why it's just > deleted in the .vcs output. Aha. Ok. >> Is it reasonable to add this at this time? >=20 > I can take another look at it and see if I can enable it experimentally= , > e.g., via a command line switch (after the IETF, though). Ok, that would be good. For now I'll serve .ics with (and experimentally= without) timezone information, and .vcs without. Regards, Henrik --------------enigFFB0671EEC784F61613BB86E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEn+yEeVhrtTJkXCMRApyxAJ4soxz6HmPvZ2ASS/z+6T28O4XqeQCgsjDI jKQR29ul/sjEGABDlq5fM/g= =jIKk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigFFB0671EEC784F61613BB86E-- --===============0443398330== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0443398330==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 27 19:11:27 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvMiM-0006KN-52; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:11:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvMiJ-0006Ff-FJ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:11:23 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvLqr-0002za-12 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:16:09 -0400 Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvKlT-0000DD-7h for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:06:34 -0400 Received: from [128.9.168.63] (bet.isi.edu [128.9.168.63]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k5RL48221376; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44A19DA2.9090102@isi.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:05:38 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <449F6AD5.6080000@isi.edu> <449FA1EA.2060605@levkowetz.com> <449FEB5E.8020108@isi.edu> <449FEC84.2000807@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <449FEC84.2000807@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0774955484==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0774955484== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig693F6AD500A5F73412259827" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig693F6AD500A5F73412259827 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Joe, >=20 > on 2006-06-26 16:12 Joe Touch said the following: >> Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> ... >>>> 2) the output is currently only in ics format; I wrote a converter >>>> called ics2vcs which it might be useful to either put a link to, or = to >>>> add as an click-box (e.g., for Palm desktop output). >>>> http://www.isi.edu/touch/tools/#software >>> Splendid. I picked it up and slotted it in. Both .ical and .vcal >>> files should now be provided. Importing the .vcal to iCal works >>> fine, but I notice that time zone information is missing - I saw from= >>> your comment that early PalmPilots didn't support time zone info? >> The issue is actually the desktop. Palm 5x OS devices support timezone= s, >> but the desktop doesn't. I haven't figured out how to convert the >> timezone block reliably, perhaps for this reason. That's why it's just= >> deleted in the .vcs output. >=20 > Aha. Ok. >=20 >>> Is it reasonable to add this at this time? >> I can take another look at it and see if I can enable it experimentall= y, >> e.g., via a command line switch (after the IETF, though). >=20 > Ok, that would be good. For now I'll serve .ics with (and experimental= ly > without) timezone information, and .vcs without. FWIW, the Palm Desktop officially does not support timezones. Although =2Evcs can be used to import data into Outlook, so can .ics. At this point, I suspect the best thing to do would be to leave timezones out for the .vcs format, since it's the one needed exclusively for the Palm desktop. Joe --------------enig693F6AD500A5F73412259827 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEoZ2iE5f5cImnZrsRAkZ+AKCbrB22KSE77xPSKKwgHO0pjXeSpQCgiat+ 3Z1GCH8WqAknqmcRabzkzbE= =HI74 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig693F6AD500A5F73412259827-- --===============0774955484== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0774955484==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 27 19:21:21 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvMrx-0001R7-5i; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:21:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvMrw-0001Pi-8z for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:21:20 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvLq7-0002ug-82 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:23 -0400 Received: from av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.179]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvLLz-0003Hj-3a for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:44:17 -0400 Received: by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E3495383E9; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:44:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38C938043; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:44:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A150537E44; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:44:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FvLLv-0002y9-4i; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:44:13 +0200 Message-ID: <44A1A6AB.3000105@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:44:11 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Touch Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar request References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <449F6AD5.6080000@isi.edu> <449FA1EA.2060605@levkowetz.com> <449FEB5E.8020108@isi.edu> <449FEC84.2000807@levkowetz.com> <44A19DA2.9090102@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <44A19DA2.9090102@isi.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1503264790==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1503264790== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig068BB3070528B13C82AD2842" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig068BB3070528B13C82AD2842 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joe, on 2006-06-27 23:05 Joe Touch said the following: =2E.. >>>> Is it reasonable to add this at this time? >>> I can take another look at it and see if I can enable it experimental= ly, >>> e.g., via a command line switch (after the IETF, though). >>=20 >> Ok, that would be good. For now I'll serve .ics with (and experimenta= lly >> without) timezone information, and .vcs without. >=20 > FWIW, the Palm Desktop officially does not support timezones. Although > .vcs can be used to import data into Outlook, so can .ics. At this > point, I suspect the best thing to do would be to leave timezones out > for the .vcs format, since it's the one needed exclusively for the Palm= > desktop. Ok. Works for me. Thanks, Henrik --------------enig068BB3070528B13C82AD2842 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEoaareVhrtTJkXCMRAuyNAJ9MRKE32H7ka9yl8HlIbr5EoKchvwCffm5Q 6pi5OOBx89ck1bc0xopm9pg= =85QA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig068BB3070528B13C82AD2842-- --===============1503264790== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1503264790==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 29 13:30:34 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fw0La-0001u5-2K; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:30:34 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fw0LY-0001u0-Qr for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:30:32 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fw0LX-000331-D3 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:30:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3544020031DC for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:30:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01853-06 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:30:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from venus.office (europa.netlab.nec.de [10.1.1.25]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D9320001B5 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:30:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from n-eggert.office ([10.1.1.112]) by venus.office over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:30:30 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n-eggert.office (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE0512FB8F for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:30:29 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5DF9B299-405B-4018-9BAF-4F1D37C9C833@netlab.nec.de> References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <1150279127.7983.6.camel@wintermute> <448FE824.2050409@levkowetz.com> <5DF9B299-405B-4018-9BAF-4F1D37C9C833@netlab.nec.de> Message-Id: <5877F2B0-11CF-41C9-BB02-F6E6553AE9EB@netlab.nec.de> Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Lars Eggert Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:30:28 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2006 17:30:30.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[B818C9B0:01C69BA1] X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 Subject: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar bug X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1950406233==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============1950406233== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--651146123; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-8--651146123 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Cancelled sessions are still included in the .ics file if the URL includes them. 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av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fw3rY-000518-GS for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:15:49 -0400 Received: by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id D29DA37F56; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:15:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30C737F2B; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:15:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C36337E42; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:15:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fw3rW-0000QW-6s; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:15:46 +0200 Message-ID: <44A442FB.3030005@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:15:39 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda calendar bug References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <1150279127.7983.6.camel@wintermute> <448FE824.2050409@levkowetz.com> <5DF9B299-405B-4018-9BAF-4F1D37C9C833@netlab.nec.de> <5877F2B0-11CF-41C9-BB02-F6E6553AE9EB@netlab.nec.de> In-Reply-To: <5877F2B0-11CF-41C9-BB02-F6E6553AE9EB@netlab.nec.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1988858814==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1988858814== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA4A9256064529A7FA50E22FD" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA4A9256064529A7FA50E22FD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable on 2006-06-29 19:30 Lars Eggert said the following: > Cancelled sessions are still included in the .ics file if the URL =20 > includes them. Hmm. Right. Ok, I think I know how to fix that. Let me know if the next update of your calendars still aren't OK. Regards, Henrik --------------enigA4A9256064529A7FA50E22FD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEpEMCeVhrtTJkXCMRAjnSAKDN7P+/WUGvQaZN8JVcnJHAMrxOowCgmZ2U XsEOow23U7TG8MtxRsq/wmk= =ndhG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA4A9256064529A7FA50E22FD-- --===============1988858814== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1988858814==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 29 17:43:25 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fw4IH-0003l2-CB; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:43:25 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fw4IG-0003kk-2v; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:43:24 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fw4IG-0007Lz-1R; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:43:24 -0400 Received: from av8-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.184]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fw4Ho-0000Ki-Gp; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:42:59 -0400 Received: by av8-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 21FA037F61; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:42:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av8-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1274637E7B; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:42:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E8437E43; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:42:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fw4HJ-0000JU-36; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:42:43 +0200 Message-ID: <44A44940.6050306@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:42:24 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Black_David@emc.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, brc@zurich.ibm.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, rpelletier@isoc.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: I-D woes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi David, on 2006-06-29 23:22 Black_David@emc.com said the following: ... > I have a very simple request that should fix most of this: > ---- > Would the folks on the CC: line figure out how to coordinate the publicly > available version of idnits on tools.ietf.org with the secretariat's tools > so that a draft that passes idnits will pass the secretariat's automated > checks if the draft is submitted within a reasonable time period (e.g., > 48 hours) of the idnits run? > ---- > idnits is a godsend by comparison to what we used to have to put up > with - let's use it for all it's worth. The secretariat's developers have by now started to look at implementing RFC 4228, "Requirements for an IETF Draft Submission Toolset", which defines a toolset which automates draft submission. One particular requirement in this RFC is the following: Section 7.5.2, paragraph 2: " 1. All automatically testable nits in the "ID-NITS" document at (R116/b) and automatically testable guidelines at (R157/b). The Toolset should use external tools to check these nits and guidelines rather than embed checking code (R117/a). Hint: Henrik Levkowetz's idnits tool can be used (http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/) and other tools can be written or adopted." Note in particular the requirement on using *external* tools for nits and guideline checks. I don't know what the story is behind the current automated checks and the changes in the checks; but we're working towards using an evolved version of idnits as part of the submission process, rather than having the automated checks be done by a different tool than that which is publicly available to authors for pre-submission checks. Hope that helps and makes sense... Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 29 20:24:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fw6oT-0000wa-HJ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:24:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fw6oS-0000wS-Ui; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:24:48 -0400 Received: from chokecherry.srv.cs.cmu.edu ([128.2.185.41]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fw6oR-0007Tp-Mx; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:24:48 -0400 Received: from sirius.fac.cs.cmu.edu (SIRIUS.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.209.170]) (authenticated bits=0) by chokecherry.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5U0OMmw029129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:24:22 -0400 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: Andy Bierman , Black_David@emc.com Message-ID: <8E76A77B6416ED80F5A71061@sirius.fac.cs.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <44A466FE.7040705@andybierman.com> References: <44A466FE.7040705@andybierman.com> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01GldhboS/1uJmotnvTdWR3bHJmJmhi9qHzI/TUNc=; token_authority=postmaster@andrew.cmu.edu X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, brc@zurich.ibm.com, Jeffrey Hutzelman , tools-discuss@ietf.org, rpelletier@isoc.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: I-D woes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On Thursday, June 29, 2006 04:49:18 PM -0700 Andy Bierman wrote: > Black_David@emc.com wrote: > .... >> I have a very simple request that should fix most of this: >> ---- >> Would the folks on the CC: line figure out how to coordinate the publicly >> available version of idnits on tools.ietf.org with the secretariat's >> tools so that a draft that passes idnits will pass the secretariat's >> automated checks if the draft is submitted within a reasonable time >> period (e.g., 48 hours) of the idnits run? >> ---- >> idnits is a godsend by comparison to what we used to have to put up >> with - let's use it for all it's worth. > > > Although I fully support the proactive direction that the 'idnits' > tool represents, I do not understand why Internet Drafts should ever > be rejected at all (okay, except for all the IPR legalese). > This can only serve to hinder the progress of WGs. An I-D with excessively long lines or pages, or not in plain text, or not using the required character set, or with broken line endines, etc. can hinder the progress of WG's. We can change those requirements, if we ever get consensus to do so (don't hold your breath), but until then, people have expectations which cause problems when they are violated. However, that's a fairly minor issue in the grand scheme of things. Much of the boilerplate which is required for submission of _any_ I-D relates to the author acknowledging certain rights granted to the IETF. These requirements are not based on hypothetical concerns, but on actual cases where the work of the IETF was seriously hindered because of things like a document editor who didn't like the direction things were going declaring that he held all rights to the document. I wasn't active in the IETF at that time, but if I recall correctly, the working group in question ended up being forced to select an alternate technology. That incident, and others like it, are the reason behind the "Note Well" included in your packet every meeting, and the requirements in BCP's 78 and 79, and the rule that no I-D can be published without meeting those requirements. -- Jeffrey T. Hutzelman (N3NHS) Sr. Research Systems Programmer School of Computer Science - Research Computing Facility Carnegie Mellon University - Pittsburgh, PA _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 30 00:45:02 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwAsH-00028d-GE; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:45:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwAsG-00028T-FY; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:45:00 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwAsE-0004gp-VX; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:45:00 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D63D898BC; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:44:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEBB898B9; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:44:57 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <44A4AC47.4040105@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:44:55 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.8 (X11/20060502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: john.loughney@nokia.com, Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com, James Kempf References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: I-D woes [Re: advice on role of a WG Chair] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Folks, I feel your pain about the submission problems. The current situation is indeed bad. I can not estimate how frequent the problem is, I think we are still talking about isolated cases, but if you are hit with this problem it typically happens at the worst time and can disrupt your work. Having said that, we do have real reasons why the boilerplate language is there, and I do not see the requirement for it going away anytime soon. We should not be sending drafts back for long lines etc, but I do think that we need to check for the boilerplate. And there is no way we can do that without tools. The problem is, the current tools are not all that great, but as Henrik noted the secretariat is in the process of (a )moving to a better tool and perhaps more importantly (b) implementing the submission web tool, which makes it possible for the submitter to see and correct the problems as he submits. In addition to boilerplate issues, we also need to make sure that the draft is suitable for the IETF's access tools to the drafts, the tracker, etc. It sounds like John's filename capitalization problem is related to that. Its likely that we need to check for a few other things too, like length of file name, ability to find the author contact information from the draft, etc. Again, the submission tool should free you from late surprises in this regard. Also, the secretariat has always been receptive to fixing these problems even after the deadline. You should be able to resubmit a fix. Finally, there may also be other problems. James' problem sounds like a re-run of the problem they had at netlmm had a few months ago. At that time all we could determine was that the secretariat was not receiving the e-mails from the submitters, but it was never determined why this happened. I have now sent mail to the secretariat and have gotten an automated response back, so I'm hoping this case will be solved soon. In any case, I have started my AD review on the document which was what you wanted to happen anyway, so I hope we're not loosing too much time over this. In the meantime, its been my observation that if your draft is prepared in XML, you use a recent version of XML2RFC, and you pass the idnits web check, then you are far less likely to have problems than in other cases. If you encounter a problem that looks like a bug, complain to ietf-action@ietf.org. --Jari _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 30 01:03:40 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwBAJ-0006h0-Eg; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:03:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwBAI-0006gs-1u; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:03:38 -0400 Received: from mgw-ext12.nokia.com ([131.228.20.171]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwBAH-0005v4-HA; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:03:38 -0400 Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-ext12.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k5U53W18009430; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:03:32 +0300 Received: from esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.177]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:02:40 +0300 Received: from esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.143]) by esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:02:39 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:02:38 +0300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44A4AC47.4040105@piuha.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D woes [Re: advice on role of a WG Chair] Thread-Index: AcacAA3X9LRnzsMPRwyrelVr8HWFmAAAYPDw From: To: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2006 05:02:39.0827 (UTC) FILETIME=[695DF230:01C69C02] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5011df3e2a27abcc044eaa15befcaa87 Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] RE: I-D woes [Re: advice on role of a WG Chair] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Jari, I have no problem about checking for nits (as some of the=20 nits do have significant impact upon those people reading the drafts) & the boilerplate is there for good reason. I think the biggest take-away from this thread is that there have been changes to the submission procedure which have been unannounced & undocumented (perhaps known only by the Tools team, IESG & Secretariat). We all deal with software, so we understand that there will always be bugs, especially in the initial deployment of the sw. Updating production software around critical deadlines is never a good idea - but I don't know if this is the case. In the future, it might be useful for the Secretariat to announce changes, with a note of how to follow-up if there are any problems. Something along the lines of: We have updated our automated draft submission mechanism, corresponding to "insert appropriate reference here". This will help us process drafts more efficiently. If you have any concerns or comments, contact us at support@not-here.org. Or something like that. =20 When working group members or draft authors come to working group chairs and ask us why their drafts were bounced, where is the stated policy about the cause of the bounce action - it isn't a good situation if the chair can just shrug our shoulders and mumble "dunno." thanks, John >-----Original Message----- >From: ext Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net]=20 >Sent: 30 June, 2006 07:45 >To: Loughney John (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki);=20 >Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com; James Kempf >Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org; IETF TOOLS discussion >Subject: Re: I-D woes [Re: advice on role of a WG Chair] > >Folks, > >I feel your pain about the submission problems. The current=20 >situation is indeed bad. I can not estimate how frequent the=20 >problem is, I think we are still talking about isolated cases,=20 >but if you are hit with this problem it typically happens at=20 >the worst time and can disrupt your work. > >Having said that, we do have real reasons why the boilerplate=20 >language is there, and I do not see the requirement for it=20 >going away anytime soon. >We should not be sending drafts back for long lines etc, but I=20 >do think that we need to check for the boilerplate. And there=20 >is no way we can do that without tools. The problem is, the=20 >current tools are not all that great, but as Henrik noted the=20 >secretariat is in the process of (a )moving to a better tool=20 >and perhaps more importantly (b) implementing the submission=20 >web tool, which makes it possible for the submitter to see and=20 >correct the problems as he submits. > >In addition to boilerplate issues, we also need to make sure=20 >that the draft is suitable for the IETF's access tools to the=20 >drafts, the tracker, etc. It sounds like John's filename=20 >capitalization problem is related to that. Its likely that we=20 >need to check for a few other things too, like length of file=20 >name, ability to find the author contact information from the=20 >draft, etc. Again, the submission tool should free you from=20 >late surprises in this regard. > >Also, the secretariat has always been receptive to fixing=20 >these problems even after the deadline. You should be able to=20 >resubmit a fix. > >Finally, there may also be other problems. James' problem=20 >sounds like a re-run of the problem they had at netlmm had a=20 >few months ago. >At that time all we could determine was that the secretariat=20 >was not receiving the e-mails from the submitters, but it was=20 >never determined why this happened. I have now sent mail to=20 >the secretariat and have gotten an automated response back, so=20 >I'm hoping this case will be solved soon. In any case, I have=20 >started my AD review on the document which was what you wanted=20 >to happen anyway, so I hope we're not loosing too much time over this. > >In the meantime, its been my observation that if your draft is=20 >prepared in XML, you use a recent version of XML2RFC, and you=20 >pass the idnits web check, then you are far less likely to=20 >have problems than in other cases. > >If you encounter a problem that looks like a bug, complain to=20 >ietf-action@ietf.org. > >--Jari > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 30 01:18:31 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwBOg-0007Bw-44; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:18:30 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwBOe-0007Br-W9 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:18:28 -0400 Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwBOd-0007Cp-Lu for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:18:28 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.42] (pool-71-106-102-77.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.106.102.77]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k5U5HW206780; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44A4B3E3.9040604@isi.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:17:23 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <1150279127.7983.6.camel@wintermute> <448FE824.2050409@levkowetz.com> <5DF9B299-405B-4018-9BAF-4F1D37C9C833@netlab.nec.de> <5877F2B0-11CF-41C9-BB02-F6E6553AE9EB@netlab.nec.de> In-Reply-To: <5877F2B0-11CF-41C9-BB02-F6E6553AE9EB@netlab.nec.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Subject: [Tools-discuss] another agenda calendar bug X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0402834291==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0402834291== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigFF0C88606270FA6D4FA69718" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigFF0C88606270FA6D4FA69718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The .vcs file looks like it is taking as input the .ics with the timezone; it needs the .ics without the timezone, and thus no longer work= s. I'll update my ics2vcs to strip out that info anyway (since it's not compatible with the Palm desktop, which is the only thing that needs =2Evcs per se anyway), but in the meantime could the backend take the non-tz ics as input (that should work). Joe --------------enigFF0C88606270FA6D4FA69718 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEpLPnE5f5cImnZrsRAiXUAKDgSRyagh/RmZ4+lY6PAXg8YbgjygCgkrW7 8f01r875D8DbLf1dJvMkiQ8= =QYcZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigFF0C88606270FA6D4FA69718-- --===============0402834291== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0402834291==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 30 01:44:15 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwBna-00020I-NU; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:44:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwBnY-00020D-KE for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:44:12 -0400 Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwBnW-0001OV-9K for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:44:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.42] (pool-71-106-102-77.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.106.102.77]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k5U5hV213972; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44A4B9FE.50808@isi.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:43:26 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Touch References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <1150279127.7983.6.camel@wintermute> <448FE824.2050409@levkowetz.com> <5DF9B299-405B-4018-9BAF-4F1D37C9C833@netlab.nec.de> <5877F2B0-11CF-41C9-BB02-F6E6553AE9EB@netlab.nec.de> <44A4B3E3.9040604@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <44A4B3E3.9040604@isi.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: another agenda calendar bug X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0946300449==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0946300449== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigFC380B6D6BF2073DE7F7CBB0" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigFC380B6D6BF2073DE7F7CBB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe Touch wrote: > The .vcs file looks like it is taking as input the .ics with the > timezone; it needs the .ics without the timezone, and thus no longer wo= rks. Actually, I have no idea what it's taking as input. I'm guessing the ics2vcs.pl source was modified, since it's outputting stuff that doesn't match either of the following ics2vcs.pl X.ics ics2vcs.pl X-notz.ics Either of the two above generate a .vcs file that works; the current =2Evcs does not. If the page uses my code, please use it unmodified (I can't track bugs otherwise); that should suffice anyway. Joe --------------enigFC380B6D6BF2073DE7F7CBB0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEpLn+E5f5cImnZrsRAhw4AJ403OjahUhMKQdq0yY7RQF1Oluf1QCeOnGz vUcsLBcMF74GwfQNGYZA5eE= =iseo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigFC380B6D6BF2073DE7F7CBB0-- --===============0946300449== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0946300449==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 30 02:42:26 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwChs-0005fo-5i; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:42:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwChq-0005fg-DI; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:42:22 -0400 Received: from av8-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.184]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwChn-0005EB-Ug; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:42:22 -0400 Received: by av8-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 03B6038161; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:42:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av8-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79C5380A4; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:42:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1642737E46; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:42:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FwChk-0002od-6O; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:42:17 +0200 Message-ID: <44A4C7C7.3060504@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:42:15 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: john.loughney@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] RE: I-D woes [Re: advice on role of a WG Chair] References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com, kempf@docomolabs-usa.com, jari.arkko@piuha.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1845712296==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1845712296== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2EF4F067465ABD23F5373DD9" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2EF4F067465ABD23F5373DD9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I want to respond primarily to one point below: on 2006-06-30 07:02 john.loughney@nokia.com said the following: > Jari, >=20 > I have no problem about checking for nits (as some of the=20 > nits do have significant impact upon those people reading the > drafts) & the boilerplate is there for good reason. >=20 > I think the biggest take-away from this thread is that there > have been changes to the submission procedure which have > been unannounced & undocumented (perhaps known only by the > Tools team, IESG & Secretariat). Exclude the Tools Team here - if we'd received an indication of changed procedures, I would have updated idnits to warn about them. > We all deal with software, so we understand that there will > always be bugs, especially in the initial deployment of the > sw. Updating production software around critical deadlines > is never a good idea - but I don't know if this is the case. >=20 > In the future, it might be useful for the Secretariat to > announce changes, with a note of how to follow-up if there > are any problems. Something along the lines of: >=20 > We have updated our automated draft submission mechanism, > corresponding to "insert appropriate reference here". This > will help us process drafts more efficiently. If you have > any concerns or comments, contact us at support@not-here.org. >=20 > Or something like that. =20 I very much agree. > When working group members or draft authors come to working group > chairs and ask us why their drafts were bounced, where is the > stated policy about the cause of the bounce action - it isn't > a good situation if the chair can just shrug our shoulders and > mumble "dunno." Again, I agree. And of course, you can imagine that a similar situation has happened a few times when people contact me as idnits maintainer and wonder why a draft that passes idnits gets rejected - I can only say that if I'd known, I'd have tried to update idnits accordingly... Regards, Henrik --------------enig2EF4F067465ABD23F5373DD9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEpMfHeVhrtTJkXCMRAo9gAKC0sK3fX9MD/R+tyNqaWBHMJVKW/ACdFc23 B24a94ixtEAVnAYj3+8qPY8= =UmcA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2EF4F067465ABD23F5373DD9-- --===============1845712296== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1845712296==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 30 02:46:19 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwClf-0005t4-ES; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:46:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwCld-0005sw-U7; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:46:17 -0400 Received: from mgw-ext13.nokia.com ([131.228.20.172]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwClb-0005ZQ-G1; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:46:17 -0400 Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext13.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k5U6k9KZ017225; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:46:11 +0300 Received: from esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.34]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:45:20 +0300 Received: from esebe199.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.143]) by esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:45:19 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Tools-discuss] RE: I-D woes [Re: advice on role of a WG Chair] Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:45:19 +0300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44A4C7C7.3060504@levkowetz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] RE: I-D woes [Re: advice on role of a WG Chair] Thread-Index: AcacEIFATUo3hdEMTveOPsDYYCD1QQAAAvOA From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2006 06:45:19.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0C65130:01C69C10] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com, kempf@docomolabs-usa.com, jari.arkko@piuha.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Henrik, >> I have no problem about checking for nits (as some of the nits do have=20 >> significant impact upon those people reading the >> drafts) & the boilerplate is there for good reason. >>=20 >> I think the biggest take-away from this thread is that there have been=20 >> changes to the submission procedure which have been unannounced &=20 >> undocumented (perhaps known only by the Tools team, IESG &=20 >> Secretariat). > >Exclude the Tools Team here - if we'd received an indication=20 >of changed procedures, I would have updated idnits to warn about them. Just for the record, I'm not accusing anyone - hence the 'perhaps' in my statement above. I guess this just makes my point even stronger -=20 when there are some changes to the submissions process, a small public=20 note would be helpful. thanks, John _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 30 02:47:10 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwCmU-0005za-Qu; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:47:10 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwCmT-0005zS-Qu; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:47:09 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwCmS-0005dH-HI; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:47:09 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121AC898BC; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:47:07 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5ED5898B9; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:47:06 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <44A4C8E8.4040805@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:47:04 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.8 (X11/20060502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: john.loughney@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] RE: I-D woes [Re: advice on role of a WG Chair] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com, kempf@docomolabs-usa.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org > We have updated our automated draft submission mechanism, > corresponding to "insert appropriate reference here". This > will help us process drafts more efficiently. If you have > any concerns or comments, contact us at support@not-here.org. > >Or something like that. > >When working group members or draft authors come to working group >chairs and ask us why their drafts were bounced, where is the >stated policy about the cause of the bounce action - it isn't >a good situation if the chair can just shrug our shoulders and >mumble "dunno." > > I can take it up with the secretariat to see if we actually could update the I-D requirements to state what is really required today (like no uppercase in the filename). Beyond that, I think we should use our resources to go to the new tool, rather than explaining what's wrong with the old one or updating it... --Jari _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 30 03:41:02 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwDcb-0004QQ-Pp; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:41:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwDca-0004QL-Kr for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:41:00 -0400 Received: from av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.186]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwDcZ-0002Mq-6E for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:41:00 -0400 Received: by av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 58774384C8; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:40:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406C2384C8; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:40:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD75C37E52; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:40:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FwDcV-0005GY-Gp; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:40:57 +0200 Message-ID: <44A4D587.1090102@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:40:55 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Touch Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: another agenda calendar bug References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <1150279127.7983.6.camel@wintermute> <448FE824.2050409@levkowetz.com> <5DF9B299-405B-4018-9BAF-4F1D37C9C833@netlab.nec.de> <5877F2B0-11CF-41C9-BB02-F6E6553AE9EB@netlab.nec.de> <44A4B3E3.9040604@isi.edu> <44A4B9FE.50808@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <44A4B9FE.50808@isi.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0200877122==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0200877122== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB3B62E220F6F557E2C432314" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB3B62E220F6F557E2C432314 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joe, on 2006-06-30 07:43 Joe Touch said the following: >=20 > Joe Touch wrote: >> The .vcs file looks like it is taking as input the .ics with the >> timezone; it needs the .ics without the timezone, and thus no longer w= orks. >=20 > Actually, I have no idea what it's taking as input. I'm guessing the > ics2vcs.pl source was modified, since it's outputting stuff that doesn'= t > match either of the following >=20 > ics2vcs.pl X.ics >=20 > ics2vcs.pl X-notz.ics >=20 > Either of the two above generate a .vcs file that works; the current > .vcs does not. >=20 > If the page uses my code, please use it unmodified (I can't track bugs > otherwise); that should suffice anyway. Sorry, this is my fault. I moved the timezone information stripping to a separate step in the sequence of producing calendar files with/ without timezone info, but didn't think of this aspect of things. I've reverted your code to pristine state, and use different code paths for =2Eics files with/without timezone information and the .vcs file now. (I've also discovered why my refactoring didn't produce the expected results, and know how to fix that, but that doesn't change the validity of your argument regarding tracking bugs for your code, so I won't go that path.) Henrik --------------enigB3B62E220F6F557E2C432314 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEpNWHeVhrtTJkXCMRAqo6AKCSX5+ysoTaE6xyMVEd9SAHmQKKYwCgidzI swZUa0gB7o2g6YrfzIVbk8k= =n+/4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB3B62E220F6F557E2C432314-- --===============0200877122== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0200877122==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 30 03:45:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwDhF-0004VQ-Ou; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:45:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwDhE-0004VG-Jb for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:45:48 -0400 Received: from av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.182]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwDhD-0002pg-5D for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 03:45:48 -0400 Received: by av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 5552337ECF; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:45:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0A637E5C; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:45:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E055A37E47; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:45:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FwDh8-0005WF-W3; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:45:44 +0200 Message-ID: <44A4D6A6.5060400@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:45:42 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: john.loughney@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] RE: I-D woes [Re: advice on role of a WG Chair] References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com, kempf@docomolabs-usa.com, jari.arkko@piuha.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1800093325==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1800093325== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB1E33A8BA985B5015EE76F27" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB1E33A8BA985B5015EE76F27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John, on 2006-06-30 08:45 john.loughney@nokia.com said the following: > Hi Henrik, >=20 >>> I have no problem about checking for nits (as some of the nits do > have=20 >>> significant impact upon those people reading the >>> drafts) & the boilerplate is there for good reason. >>>=20 >>> I think the biggest take-away from this thread is that there have > been=20 >>> changes to the submission procedure which have been unannounced &=20 >>> undocumented (perhaps known only by the Tools team, IESG &=20 >>> Secretariat). >> >>Exclude the Tools Team here - if we'd received an indication=20 >>of changed procedures, I would have updated idnits to warn about them. >=20 > Just for the record, I'm not accusing anyone - hence the 'perhaps' in > my statement above. I guess this just makes my point even stronger -=20 > when there are some changes to the submissions process, a small public = > note would be helpful. Oh, no problem, I didn't take it as accusatory -- I just wanted to let you know that we didn't know about this either. And I continue agreeing on your point regarding the announcement of changes to the submission process :-) Regards, Henrik --------------enigB1E33A8BA985B5015EE76F27 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEpNameVhrtTJkXCMRAsVgAJ9J2il0NWD8ZIDiyvroRmg+TRs6sgCg0/mm HLKaFJC+xxpQZHcBpGCeQ28= =LqrX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB1E33A8BA985B5015EE76F27-- --===============1800093325== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1800093325==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 30 10:00:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwJXj-0008F9-7T; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:00:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fw6EG-0000Bv-Nf for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:47:24 -0400 Received: from omr6.networksolutionsemail.com ([205.178.146.56]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fw6EF-0003os-GD for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:47:24 -0400 Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr6.mgt.netsol.com [10.49.6.69]) by omr6.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5TNlMgv013443 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:47:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 28634 invoked by uid 78); 29 Jun 2006 23:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.12?) (andy@andybierman.com@24.24.133.237) by 10.49.36.69 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 23:47:22 -0000 Message-ID: <44A466FE.7040705@andybierman.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:49:18 -0700 From: Andy Bierman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Black_David@emc.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:00:21 -0400 Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, brc@zurich.ibm.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, rpelletier@isoc.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: I-D woes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Black_David@emc.com wrote: .... > I have a very simple request that should fix most of this: > ---- > Would the folks on the CC: line figure out how to coordinate the publicly > available version of idnits on tools.ietf.org with the secretariat's tools > so that a draft that passes idnits will pass the secretariat's automated > checks if the draft is submitted within a reasonable time period (e.g., > 48 hours) of the idnits run? > ---- > idnits is a godsend by comparison to what we used to have to put up > with - let's use it for all it's worth. Although I fully support the proactive direction that the 'idnits' tool represents, I do not understand why Internet Drafts should ever be rejected at all (okay, except for all the IPR legalese). This can only serve to hinder the progress of WGs. I-Ds submitted for publication consideration to the IESG should pass every single id-nit. For a work-in-progress, this is pointless, and total headwind to an author. > > Thanks, > --David Andy _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 30 10:16:31 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwJnL-0001np-IX; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:16:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwJnJ-0001nk-Si for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:16:29 -0400 Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwJnI-0001ck-H9 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:16:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.42] (pool-71-106-102-77.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.106.102.77]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k5UEFp227292; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44A53210.5060805@isi.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:15:44 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: another agenda calendar bug References: <70A5BB01-2800-4912-9579-95BB34B2F70F@netlab.nec.de> <1150279127.7983.6.camel@wintermute> <448FE824.2050409@levkowetz.com> <5DF9B299-405B-4018-9BAF-4F1D37C9C833@netlab.nec.de> <5877F2B0-11CF-41C9-BB02-F6E6553AE9EB@netlab.nec.de> <44A4B3E3.9040604@isi.edu> <44A4B9FE.50808@isi.edu> <44A4D587.1090102@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <44A4D587.1090102@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0252004158==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0252004158== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig0288851348BE0C3EC77B61DB" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig0288851348BE0C3EC77B61DB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Joe, >=20 > on 2006-06-30 07:43 Joe Touch said the following: >> Joe Touch wrote: >>> The .vcs file looks like it is taking as input the .ics with the >>> timezone; it needs the .ics without the timezone, and thus no longer = works. >> Actually, I have no idea what it's taking as input. I'm guessing the >> ics2vcs.pl source was modified, since it's outputting stuff that doesn= 't >> match either of the following >> >> ics2vcs.pl X.ics >> >> ics2vcs.pl X-notz.ics >> >> Either of the two above generate a .vcs file that works; the current >> .vcs does not. >> >> If the page uses my code, please use it unmodified (I can't track bugs= >> otherwise); that should suffice anyway. >=20 > Sorry, this is my fault. I moved the timezone information stripping > to a separate step in the sequence of producing calendar files with/ > without timezone info, but didn't think of this aspect of things. I've= > reverted your code to pristine state, and use different code paths for > .ics files with/without timezone information and the .vcs file now. >=20 > (I've also discovered why my refactoring didn't produce the expected > results, and know how to fix that, but that doesn't change the > validity of your argument regarding tracking bugs for your code, > so I won't go that path.) Thanks - I don't mind mods, but it would be useful to add a flag or modify the header version number if so (e.g., append 'a','b',...), though I'd prefer to coordinate the needed mods into the ics2vcs.pl source most should would probably be generally useful anyway. ;-) Thanks for the quick update! Joe --------------enig0288851348BE0C3EC77B61DB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEpTIQE5f5cImnZrsRAg7dAJ9QCjnILAeWtnJD6O+wdfI4K+AMCQCfXhKg Rcn+gtXHd6xCpe7YMOuI/LA= =eZgV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig0288851348BE0C3EC77B61DB-- --===============0252004158== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0252004158==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 30 10:17:14 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwJo1-0001w0-WA; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:17:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwJo0-0001vp-Lf; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:17:12 -0400 Received: from av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.182]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwJnz-0001dg-7D; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:17:12 -0400 Received: by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 1BAB83854B; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:50:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E05D37F68; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:50:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C9D37E43; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:17:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FwJnw-0003Hm-CS; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:17:09 +0200 Message-ID: <44A53264.7020401@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:17:08 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Bierman Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: I-D woes References: <44A466FE.7040705@andybierman.com> In-Reply-To: <44A466FE.7040705@andybierman.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, rpelletier@isoc.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Andy, on 2006-06-30 01:49 Andy Bierman said the following: ... > > Although I fully support the proactive direction that the 'idnits' > tool represents, I do not understand why Internet Drafts should ever > be rejected at all (okay, except for all the IPR legalese). > This can only serve to hinder the progress of WGs. > > I-Ds submitted for publication consideration to the IESG > should pass every single id-nit. Right. > For a work-in-progress, > this is pointless, and total headwind to an author. In the specification of the submission tool in RFC 4228 the appropriate distinction is made between the requirements of http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.txt, which apply to all submitted drafts, and the requirements of the publication checklist, http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html . Idnits was originally focused only on the latter, but people gradually started to use it more generally, and ask for features from the former. I have already planned to add switches to idnits which will control whether it will check only against requirements from one or the other of these two, in order to support use within the 4228 submission tool. Having separable checking functionality through the switches may also help during the pre-submission checks. The current version of the tool simply lists the ID-Checklist checks and the 1id-guidelines checks under different output sections, and leaves it up to the author to know whether he's submitting a final draft which is a publication candidate, or some earlier version. Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 30 12:46:35 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwM8Y-0007ZN-R0; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:46:34 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwM8W-0007WK-Ra; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:46:32 -0400 Received: from vapor.isi.edu ([128.9.64.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwM8U-0004us-GK; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:46:32 -0400 Received: from [128.9.168.63] (bet.isi.edu [128.9.168.63]) by vapor.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k5UGjO213013; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44A5551F.2080400@isi.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:45:19 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: john.loughney@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] RE: I-D woes [Re: advice on role of a WG Chair] References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com, kempf@docomolabs-usa.com, jari.arkko@piuha.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0982917484==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0982917484== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig18407113FC7D3881A8DA4147" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig18407113FC7D3881A8DA4147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable john.loughney@nokia.com wrote: > Jari, >=20 > I have no problem about checking for nits (as some of the=20 > nits do have significant impact upon those people reading the > drafts) & the boilerplate is there for good reason. >=20 > I think the biggest take-away from this thread is that there > have been changes to the submission procedure which have > been unannounced & undocumented (perhaps known only by the > Tools team, IESG & Secretariat). Amen. But you also forgot "unreviewed". They sometimes add required elements without discussion too. Joe --------------enig18407113FC7D3881A8DA4147 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEpVUfE5f5cImnZrsRApS1AKDdDEwo8e+qY725q3fD4ti/5oTCHwCgoqIY Jpy1E6fMTka1daNVSUebjf4= =nuHr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig18407113FC7D3881A8DA4147-- --===============0982917484== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0982917484==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 30 13:05:40 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwMR1-0004ZX-D2; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:05:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwMR0-0004ZP-K6; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:05:38 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwMQz-0006I3-A6; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:05:38 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AE1898BF; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:05:36 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A67D898BD; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:05:36 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <44A559DD.8050703@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:05:33 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.8 (X11/20060502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: john.loughney@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] RE: I-D woes [Re: advice on role of a WG Chair] References: <44A4C8E8.4040805@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <44A4C8E8.4040805@piuha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com, kempf@docomolabs-usa.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org FWIW, out the four reported problems, James' issue seems like an e-mail problem (at someone's end) and John's filename requirement is something that http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.html already talks about. The copyright template requirements are also clear, and require the current year to be used. These were announced here: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg01167.html But I can't find the last page requirement that Donald reported of from the guidelines. Perhaps this is a bug. Anyway, I do not believe we have a satisfactory solution until there's real-time feedback that you can or can not submit this draft because of . --Jari _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss