From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 01 22:39:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G86dM-00060S-L1; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:38:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G86dL-00060N-Pu for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:38:55 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G86dK-0001jU-GB for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:38:55 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1G86dB-0005Sj-FF for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:38:46 +0200 Received: from pd9fbacde.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.251.172.222]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:38:45 +0200 Received: from nobody by pd9fbacde.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:38:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:29:27 +0200 Organization: Lines: 27 Message-ID: <44D00E07.3D50@xyzzy.claranet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9fbacde.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Draft dependency graph / tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, there might be an oddity with the I-D dependency graphs: Trying to cleanup some old drafts I found a match from old name to new name for most EAI drafts. With the I-D dependency graph I could verify this. After some time I ended up with one "old" (2006-02-26) unmatched draft-klensin-ima-constraints-00 It's referenced as [I18Nemail-constraints] in the EAI framework draft (draft-ietf-eai-framework-01). Apparently the dependency graph doesn't display this reference. Another point, the graph shows draft-klensin-net-utf8 in state "IESG or RFC Queue". Came as a shock for me, I thought that's rather new, and sent some questions about it to the author only a few days ago. After some time with the help of the draft tracker I found that it's "only" in state "publication requested", and I didn't miss a last call or worse. How about a direct link from "rfcmarkup" to the draft tracker for known drafts ? The pidtracker.cgi URL is huge, but it's possible to reduce it to some constant query ending with (in this case) &search_filename=draft-klensin-net-utf8 Bye, Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 02 06:21:26 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8Dqq-0004CD-0a; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:21:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8Dqn-000475-Rz for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:21:17 -0400 Received: from av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8Dqm-00034n-E3 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:21:17 -0400 Received: by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 94FE4382CF; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:21:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BE337F87; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:21:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428AE37E44; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:21:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G8Dqi-0007bx-1o; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:21:14 +0200 Message-ID: <44D07C97.6000803@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:21:11 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Draft dependency graph / tool References: <44D00E07.3D50@xyzzy.claranet.de> In-Reply-To: <44D00E07.3D50@xyzzy.claranet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Frank, on 2006-08-02 04:29 Frank Ellermann said the following: > Hi, there might be an oddity with the I-D dependency graphs: > > Trying to cleanup some old drafts I found a match from old name > to new name for most EAI drafts. With the I-D dependency graph > I could verify this. After some time I ended up with one "old" > (2006-02-26) unmatched draft-klensin-ima-constraints-00 > > It's referenced as [I18Nemail-constraints] in the EAI framework > draft (draft-ietf-eai-framework-01). Apparently the dependency > graph doesn't display this reference. Bill is the dependency-graphs' creator, and can answer this more fully, but as far as I know, the tool that creates these graphs looks for recognizable document tags (rfcNNNN, draft-xxxx etc.) in the references section, and uses that information. This means that a reference by draft name only, which is the case for the [I18Nemail-constraints] reference, it won't catch it... > Another point, the graph shows draft-klensin-net-utf8 in state > "IESG or RFC Queue". Came as a shock for me, I thought that's > rather new, and sent some questions about it to the author only > a few days ago. > > After some time with the help of the draft tracker I found that > it's "only" in state "publication requested", and I didn't miss > a last call or worse. How about a direct link from "rfcmarkup" > to the draft tracker for known drafts ? I'm working on something that I hope will come close -- there's now a [Plain text] link on top of the rfcmarkup generated pages, and I plan to add a [More info] link, too, which will lead to a page similar to the wg status pages, which will (try to) list all available information for the document. These pages will be available for all drafts, not only WG drafts, and will include the tracker status and a link to detailed tracker information for the document. > The pidtracker.cgi URL is huge, but it's possible to reduce it > to some constant query ending with (in this case) > &search_filename=draft-klensin-net-utf8 Yup. Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 02 11:39:08 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8IoO-0005T6-1G; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:39:08 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8IoM-0005T1-R2 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:39:06 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8IoK-0001Hv-6U for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:39:06 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1G8Inw-00017v-DC for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:38:40 +0200 Received: from du-001-230.access.de.clara.net ([212.82.227.230]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:38:40 +0200 Received: from nobody by du-001-230.access.de.clara.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:38:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:37:19 +0200 Organization: Lines: 27 Message-ID: <44D0C6AF.4B5B@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <44D00E07.3D50@xyzzy.claranet.de> <44D07C97.6000803@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: du-001-230.access.de.clara.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Draft dependency graph / tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik Levkowetz wrote: [I18Nemail-constraints] > as far as I know, the tool that creates these graphs looks > for recognizable document tags (rfcNNNN, draft-xxxx etc.) > in the references section, and uses that information. Yes, that's plausible, it needs some way to skip stuff which is NOT a missing draft, but a W3C / ISO / Unicode / whatever reference. > there's now a [Plain text] link on top of the rfcmarkup > generated pages, and I plan to add a [More info] link, too, > which will lead to a page similar to the wg status pages, > which will (try to) list all available information for the > document. These pages will be available for all drafts, not > only WG drafts, and will include the tracker status and a > link to detailed tracker information for the document. Sounds great. You could integrate the "plain text" link into "more info", then you're sure that the latter is never empty. For old browsers like my "mozilla 3". For popular browsers a might also work, I can't tell. Bye, Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 02 14:16:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8LGV-00066k-4W; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:16:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8LGT-00066f-NO for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:16:17 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8LGS-0000qK-AC for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:16:17 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1G8LGF-0002P4-Df for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:16:03 +0200 Received: from du-001-011.access.de.clara.net ([212.82.227.11]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:16:03 +0200 Received: from nobody by du-001-011.access.de.clara.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:16:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:07:23 +0200 Organization: Lines: 9 Message-ID: <44D0E9DB.8D7@xyzzy.claranet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: du-001-011.access.de.clara.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Subject: [Tools-discuss] ABNF checker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org The ABNF checker at http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/abnf.cgi says /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libc.so.5" not found, required by "bap" Is there a backup anywhere ? No serious issue, one line of ABNF valid in 2005 is still valid today, but I try to use xml2rfc "strict" for type="abnf", which is somewhat tricky. Bye, Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Aug 05 11:30:44 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9O6o-00083K-NA; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:30:38 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9O6n-00082l-8k for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:30:37 -0400 Received: from mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9O6m-00024Z-3I for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:30:37 -0400 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD06E147AA0; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.10/Submit) id k75FUZXC029826; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:30:35 -0700 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200608051530.k75FUZXC029826@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ABNF checker Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:30:35 -0700 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2870a44b67ee17965ce5ad0177e150f4 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org It's fixed. Sorry for the failure. Bill _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Aug 05 11:41:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9OHj-0007sG-0H; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:41:55 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9OHh-0007sB-Qd for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:41:53 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9OHh-0002jy-P6 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:41:53 -0400 Received: from mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9OHh-0003cq-6A for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:41:53 -0400 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA14D147AA0; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.10/Submit) id k75FfodN030091; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:41:50 -0700 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200608051541.k75FfodN030091@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Draft dependency graph / tool Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:41:50 -0700 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org >Hi, there might be an oddity with the I-D dependency graphs: > >Trying to cleanup some old drafts I found a match from old name >to new name for most EAI drafts. With the I-D dependency graph >I could verify this. After some time I ended up with one "old" >(2006-02-26) unmatched draft-klensin-ima-constraints-00 > >It's referenced as [I18Nemail-constraints] in the EAI framework >draft (draft-ietf-eai-framework-01). Apparently the dependency >graph doesn't display this reference. As Henrik says, the tools depend on seeing the draft string in the document. I've got a wishlist item to grab the title if there's no draft string and search for that in all_id.txt; however, my reference parser is incredibly naive so this would be a major change - basically a total rewrite. If anyone would like to contribute code that recognizes references and gives me the title, I'd be happy to implement the rest. >Another point, the graph shows draft-klensin-net-utf8 in state >"IESG or RFC Queue". This wasn't wrong, per se, but I guess you expected to see something else? What? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Aug 05 11:44:20 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9OK4-0000Su-Nn; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:44:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9OK3-0000Sk-F0 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:44:19 -0400 Received: from mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9OK2-00036o-9S for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:44:19 -0400 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBF18652; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.10/Submit) id k75FiH1d030175; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:44:17 -0700 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200608051544.k75FiH1d030175@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Specification of address book idea ... References: <153775B8-50BD-468B-914D-64D9F5953436@cisco.com> <44CE2D20.3060304@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:44:17 -0700 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: Cullen Jennings , Tools X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org One thought: many of the community-building sites like friendster / orkut / etc. have exactly this kind of thing: here is my profile information, and here is what class of people may have access to this part of my profile. Are there any open-source versions of these community-ish things, and can we leverage that? Bill _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Aug 05 14:05:03 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9QWD-0008HO-2x; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:05:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9QWC-0008HD-Ml for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:05:00 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9QW9-0001GP-Cr for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:05:00 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1G9QVz-0001ba-9C for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:04:47 +0200 Received: from pd9fba964.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.251.169.100]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:04:47 +0200 Received: from nobody by pd9fba964.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:04:47 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:39:21 +0200 Organization: Lines: 12 Message-ID: <44D4D7C9.2416@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <200608051530.k75FUZXC029826@bright.research.att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9fba964.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: ABNF checker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Bill Fenner wrote: > It's fixed. Thanks, on my side it was actually a problem with type="abnf" in xml2rfc, I forgot how that works. It turned out that the trick is an empty line above its closing tag, or to put that tag in column one. Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Aug 05 14:05:11 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9QWN-0008PV-6q; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:05:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9QWM-0008PQ-Cm for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:05:10 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9QWL-0001Ot-3B for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:05:10 -0400 Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1G9QWE-0001el-A5 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:05:02 +0200 Received: from pd9fba964.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.251.169.100]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:05:02 +0200 Received: from nobody by pd9fba964.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:05:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:02:55 +0200 Organization: Lines: 30 Message-ID: <44D4DD4F.526C@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <200608051541.k75FfodN030091@bright.research.att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9fba964.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Draft dependency graph / tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Bill Fenner wrote: > As Henrik says, the tools depend on seeing the draft string > in the document. I've got a wishlist item to grab the title > if there's no draft string and search for that in all_id.txt; > however, my reference parser is incredibly naive so this > would be a major change - basically a total rewrite. ACK, looking at the graph with many EAI dependencies correctly identified - including "dead" (= renamed) documents - I missed that it simply _cannot_ identify _all_ potential references. It's good as it is. >> Another point, the graph shows draft-klensin-net-utf8 in >> state "IESG or RFC Queue". > This wasn't wrong, per se, but I guess you expected to see > something else? What? My intuition was "last call or later", and apparently you have "publication requested or later". Your definition is better, it works also for cases without "last call". Another clear cut could be "approved or later" (= in RFC editor queue or already published). You already have another tool for this period, so I guess that's also good as is, nothing to do, unless you're collecting FAQs :-) Thanks, Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Aug 05 18:36:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9UlD-0005Xl-4q; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:36:47 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9UlC-0005Xg-U1 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:36:46 -0400 Received: from mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9UlB-0007sD-Ng for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:36:46 -0400 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3B7147C20; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 18:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.10/Submit) id k75Maj7b006729; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:36:45 -0700 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200608052236.k75Maj7b006729@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: Draft dependency graph / tool References: <200608051541.k75FfodN030091@bright.research.att.com> <44D4DD4F.526C@xyzzy.claranet.de> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:36:45 -0700 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org >My intuition was "last call or later", and apparently you have >"publication requested or later". Your definition is better, >it works also for cases without "last call". > >Another clear cut could be "approved or later" (= in RFC editor >queue or already published). You already have another tool for >this period, so I guess that's also good as is, nothing to do, >unless you're collecting FAQs :-) Well, I wouldn't mind creating another shape/color/something combination to seperate "publication requested through approved" from "approved through published", if that's what you're thinking. Bill _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Aug 06 15:14:58 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9o5I-0006BG-AA; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:14:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9o5I-0006BB-0h for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:14:48 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9o5G-0007LQ-Ng for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:14:47 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1G9o4d-0001el-UJ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:14:08 +0200 Received: from pd9fba8f3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.251.168.243]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:14:07 +0200 Received: from nobody by pd9fba8f3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:14:07 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:12:31 +0200 Organization: Lines: 19 Message-ID: <44D63F1F.2304@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <200608051541.k75FfodN030091@bright.research.att.com> <44D4DD4F.526C@xyzzy.claranet.de> <200608052236.k75Maj7b006729@bright.research.att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9fba8f3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Draft dependency graph / tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Bill Fenner wrote: > I wouldn't mind creating another shape/color/something > combination to seperate "publication requested through > approved" from "approved through published", if that's > what you're thinking. It's probably one of these "once you've understood it it's obvious" things, and with an additional shape or colour the legend would need more place (BTW, that's a PDF working with the oldest PDF reader I still have). Maybe replace the legend by an URL, then you have more room for complex dependencies (?) My application "use the graph to figure out how a new WG renamed about six pre-WG drafts" is a bit esoteric. Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 17 11:30:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDjpM-0007bJ-RQ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:30:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDjpL-0007ZM-Op for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:30:35 -0400 Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDjpK-0004p1-Cp for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:30:35 -0400 Received: from ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.156]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:30:14 +0200 Received: from l-at8613.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.15.78]) by ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:30:13 +0200 From: Thomas Morin To: Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: text/plain Organization: France Telecom R&D - Orange Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:30:13 +0200 Message-Id: <1155828613.14373.13.camel@wintermute> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2006 15:30:13.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[08AFB2D0:01C6C212] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] Links from WG pages to meeting material, agenda and minutes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi folks, Henrik, I appreciate a lot the WG pages on tools.ietf.org. However, there seems to be some issue at the moment, at least for the few working groups that I checked (e.g. l3vpn) : whereas links toward agenda (with links to slides) and minutes are in place for IETF 65th, they don't seem to be for the last IETF - though proper material is referenced in the proceedings pages (e.g. http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06jul/l3vpn.html ). In details: - http://tools.ietf.org/wg/l3vpn/agenda says "IETF-67 l3vpn agenda: Sorry, no agenda available as of today. Either no meeting was held, or the document has not yet been submitted.". It proposes a link to IETF66th agenda page. - http://tools.ietf.org/wg/l3vpn/agenda?item=agenda66.html gives the agenda (but without links to slides) - http://tools.ietf.org/wg/l3vpn/minutes says "IETF-67 l3vpn minutes: Sorry, no minutes available as of today. Either no meeting was held, or the document has not yet been submitted." and propose no link to IETF 66th agenda - http://tools.ietf.org/wg/l3vpn/minutes?item=minutes66.html (a URL that I "blindly guessed") says "Sorry, no minutes available as of today. Either no meeting was held, or the document has not yet been submitted." Just in case the issue wasn't known already. Thanks, -Thomas _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 17 12:08:18 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDkPq-0007xj-8s; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:08:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDkPo-0007xd-E2 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:08:16 -0400 Received: from av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.182]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDkPn-0007Tj-3g for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:08:16 -0400 Received: by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E910638035; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:08:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774C138098; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:08:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757BE37E47; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:08:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GDkPk-0006hw-Je; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:08:12 +0200 Message-ID: <44E49459.4020604@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:07:53 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Macintosh/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Morin References: <1155828613.14373.13.camel@wintermute> In-Reply-To: <1155828613.14373.13.camel@wintermute> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Links from WG pages to meeting material, agenda and minutes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Thomas, on 2006-08-17 17:30 Thomas Morin said the following: > Hi folks, Henrik, > > I appreciate a lot the WG pages on tools.ietf.org. > > However, there seems to be some issue at the moment, at least for the > few working groups that I checked (e.g. l3vpn) : whereas links toward > agenda (with links to slides) and minutes are in place for IETF 65th, > they don't seem to be for the last IETF - though proper material is > referenced in the proceedings pages (e.g. > http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06jul/l3vpn.html ). [snip details] Hmm. Right. There obviously is something wrong with the logic here; and I'll dig up what's the matter. > Just in case the issue wasn't known already. Nope, I had missed this - thanks for reporting it! Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 17 12:48:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDl37-0002XI-VD; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:48:53 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDl36-0002XD-To for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:48:52 -0400 Received: from av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDl33-0001YN-JE for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:48:52 -0400 Received: by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id BBE6B381EF; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:48:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF78837F87; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:48:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD9237E42; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:48:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GDl32-0005oz-4Z; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:48:48 +0200 Message-ID: <44E49DEF.1090808@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:48:47 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Macintosh/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Morin References: <1155828613.14373.13.camel@wintermute> In-Reply-To: <1155828613.14373.13.camel@wintermute> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Links from WG pages to meeting material, agenda and minutes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Thomas, So, some more data on this: The scripts which look for minutes and slides and update the agenda and minutes pages have been doing that based on the last main meeting agenda found; and traditionally this has meant that there has been no overlap between the period when meeting minutes and slides has been submitted, and the period when the next meetings agenda has been online in some form. Recently, the secretariat put online a skeleton agenda for the next IETF before the period of sending in minutes and slides had completed, with the result that the script started to look for materials related to the next meeting, and stopped looking for materials for the last meeting... I've now arranged to have the scripts look for materials for *both* the last and the next meeting, in parallel. Hopefully this should result in the pages being updated correctly the next time the scripts are run, which should be within an hour. Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Aug 20 15:43:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEtCY-0008BN-N4; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:43:18 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEtCY-0008BI-Ey for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:43:18 -0400 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEtCX-00036X-8y for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:43:18 -0400 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:43:34 -0400 Received: from 10.128.41.3 ([10.128.41.3]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:43:34 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:43:10 -0400 From: Eric Burger To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mail Filter & Number of Recipients Thread-Index: AcbEkN2rG/cM7DCEEduxFQAWy5cvmw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2006 19:43:34.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC904390:01C6C490] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Mail Filter & Number of Recipients X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org To date, the only spam caught by the IETF spam filter for my lists (speechsc and lemonade) that trigger the "too many recipients" rule is mail from legitimate subscribers who neglect to trim recipients on a reply-to-all. Can we tune the "too many recipients" heuristic a bit better for subscribers? If we're paranoid, maybe take into account in-reply-to, an existing subject, etc.? _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 21 04:51:35 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF5VB-0006sA-7V; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:51:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF5V9-0006s2-RR for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:51:19 -0400 Received: from mtagate1.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.134]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF5V8-0001yK-Eg for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:51:19 -0400 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate1.uk.ibm.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7L8pHCS073954 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:51:17 GMT Received: from d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.228]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id k7L8rCPD139552 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:53:13 +0100 Received: from d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k7L8pHbO030664 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:51:17 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7L8pG8B030659; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:51:16 +0100 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-130-135.de.ibm.com [9.145.130.135]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA148098; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:51:15 +0200 Message-ID: <44E97403.8020603@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:51:15 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Burger Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mail Filter & Number of Recipients References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org If you are referring to mailman, log in as list admin, go to general options/privacy options/recipient filters and you can change the limit as you wish. Brian Eric Burger wrote: > To date, the only spam caught by the IETF spam filter for my lists (speechsc > and lemonade) that trigger the "too many recipients" rule is mail from > legitimate subscribers who neglect to trim recipients on a reply-to-all. > > Can we tune the "too many recipients" heuristic a bit better for > subscribers? If we're paranoid, maybe take into account in-reply-to, an > existing subject, etc.? > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 22 06:03:22 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFT6C-0003sh-5k; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:03:08 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFT6B-0003sc-0S for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:03:07 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFT67-0002b9-KA for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:03:06 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GFT5E-0002Q4-H2 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:02:09 +0200 Received: from pd9fbacc5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.251.172.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:02:08 +0200 Received: from nobody by pd9fbacc5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:02:08 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:59:13 +0200 Organization: Lines: 10 Message-ID: <44EAD571.19BD@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <44E9AA6E.4010705@alvestrand.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9fbacc5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Request for publication of draft-ietf-ipr-ietf-trust-update-01 as a BCP X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, apparently something that could be improved: > idnits 1.106 [...] > Experimental warnings: > - Missing Reference: 'RFC3978' is mentioned on line 56, but not defined > - Missing Reference: 'BCP101' is mentioned on line 64, but not defined > - Unused Reference: 'RFC 3978' is defined on line 134, but not referenced > - Unused Reference: 'BCP 101' is defined on line 137, but not referenced _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 22 07:07:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFU6V-0005sr-RL; 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Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:07:25 +0100 Received: from [9.20.118.16] (helo=bf1v5-118.hursley.ibm.com) by mail-gw3.hursley.ibm.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GFU6P-0005rA-ON; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:07:25 +0100 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-131-124.de.ibm.com [9.145.131.124]) by bf1v5-118.hursley.ibm.com (AIX5.3/8.11.6p2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id k7MB7Oa1617976; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:07:25 +0100 Message-ID: <44EAE56E.5050704@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:07:26 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: Request for publication of draft-ietf-ipr-ietf-trust-update-01 as a BCP References: <44E9AA6E.4010705@alvestrand.no> <44EAD571.19BD@xyzzy.claranet.de> In-Reply-To: <44EAD571.19BD@xyzzy.claranet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org No, it is actually an internal consistency in the draft, entirely possible with nroff and almost impossible with xml2rfc. I think the warning is useful, if trivial. Brian Frank Ellermann wrote: > Hi, apparently something that could be improved: > > >>idnits 1.106 > > [...] > >>Experimental warnings: >>- Missing Reference: 'RFC3978' is mentioned on line 56, but not defined >>- Missing Reference: 'BCP101' is mentioned on line 64, but not defined >>- Unused Reference: 'RFC 3978' is defined on line 134, but not referenced >>- Unused Reference: 'BCP 101' is defined on line 137, but not referenced > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 22 09:21:35 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFWCC-0004bi-MT; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:21:32 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFWCB-0004bZ-Hg for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:21:31 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFWCA-0003Sd-8b for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:21:31 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GFWBw-00029F-0p for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:21:16 +0200 Received: from pd9fbacc5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.251.172.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:21:16 +0200 Received: from nobody by pd9fbacc5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:21:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:20:11 +0200 Organization: Lines: 9 Message-ID: <44EB048B.4EA2@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <44E9AA6E.4010705@alvestrand.no> <44EAD571.19BD@xyzzy.claranet.de> <44EAE56E.5050704@zurich.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9fbacc5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Request for publication of draft-ietf-ipr-ietf-trust-update-01 as a BCP X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Brian E Carpenter wrote: > I think the warning is useful, if trivial. Okay, no radical "white space canonicalization" for the idnits, let it treat as space, not as empty. Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 22 12:20:04 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFYyy-00060P-3R; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:20:04 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFYyx-00060J-0q for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:20:03 -0400 Received: from av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.182]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFYyv-0005NP-N4 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:20:03 -0400 Received: by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 950BA37F2A; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:19:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D5F37EA8; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:19:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4133D37E45; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:19:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFYyn-0003zD-U7; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:19:54 +0200 Message-ID: <44EB2EA9.2050602@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:19:53 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Macintosh/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: Request for publication of draft-ietf-ipr-ietf-trust-update-01 as a BCP References: <44E9AA6E.4010705@alvestrand.no> <44EAD571.19BD@xyzzy.claranet.de> In-Reply-To: <44EAD571.19BD@xyzzy.claranet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Frank, on 2006-08-22 11:59 Frank Ellermann said the following: > Hi, apparently something that could be improved: > >> idnits 1.106 > [...] >> Experimental warnings: >> - Missing Reference: 'RFC3978' is mentioned on line 56, but not defined >> - Missing Reference: 'BCP101' is mentioned on line 64, but not defined >> - Unused Reference: 'RFC 3978' is defined on line 134, but not referenced >> - Unused Reference: 'BCP 101' is defined on line 137, but not referenced Are you sure that it's OK that references are inconsistently used/defined, and idnits should ignoring embedded spaces? I can make it so, but it's not obvious to me that the warnings above are wrong... Of course, what could be improved is to change the warning to say that the definition has embedded spaces and is different from the used form, but that seems to be a small benefit for the extra complexity... Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 22 14:35:32 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFb5u-00016k-UO; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:35:22 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFb5t-00016Z-Va for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:35:21 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFZA8-00077h-QT for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:31:36 -0400 Received: from av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.180]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFZ4p-0003ko-GQ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:26:11 -0400 Received: by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 4CE5837FA9; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:26:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D82A37E98; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:26:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2930B37E47; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:26:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFZ4n-0003rh-Jm; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:26:05 +0200 Message-ID: <44EB301C.8050809@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:26:04 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Macintosh/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: Request for publication of draft-ietf-ipr-ietf-trust-update-01 as a BCP References: <44E9AA6E.4010705@alvestrand.no> <44EAD571.19BD@xyzzy.claranet.de> <44EAE56E.5050704@zurich.ibm.com> <44EB048B.4EA2@xyzzy.claranet.de> In-Reply-To: <44EB048B.4EA2@xyzzy.claranet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi again, on 2006-08-22 15:20 Frank Ellermann said the following: > Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> I think the warning is useful, if trivial. > > Okay, no radical "white space canonicalization" for > the idnits, let it treat as space, not as empty. Ah. I see you already landed regarding this. Right. Please disregard my previous message, then. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 23 00:14:35 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFk8D-0005O8-CU; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:14:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFk8B-0005NZ-TU for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:14:19 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFjwv-0003eJ-15 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:02:42 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GFjwd-0001SC-WC for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:02:24 +0200 Received: from pd9fbacc9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.251.172.201]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:02:23 +0200 Received: from nobody by pd9fbacc9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:02:23 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:01:28 +0200 Organization: Lines: 11 Message-ID: <44EBD318.7933@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <44E9AA6E.4010705@alvestrand.no> <44EAD571.19BD@xyzzy.claranet.de> <44EAE56E.5050704@zurich.ibm.com> <44EB048B.4EA2@xyzzy.claranet.de> <44EB301C.8050809@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9fbacc9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Request for publication of draft-ietf-ipr-ietf-trust-update-01 as a BCP X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > I see you already landed regarding this. Yes, when I first saw "BCP78" != "BCP 78" I thought that this is a bit extreme. But actually it's okay - authors can always avoid it, and a "FWS-canonicalization" matching in this case would also match clear typos. Sorry for the unnecessary confusion: Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss