From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 02 15:29:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjKVi-0004NC-D4; Wed, 02 May 2007 15:29:10 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HjKVg-0004N7-IE for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 15:29:08 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjKVg-0004Mv-8O for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 15:29:08 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjKVe-0000JU-Uq for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 15:29:08 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HjKVR-0001sS-KS for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 21:28:53 +0200 Received: from 1cust243.tnt9.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net ([149.225.140.243]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 May 2007 21:28:53 +0200 Received: from nobody by 1cust243.tnt9.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 May 2007 21:28:53 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 21:28:12 +0200 Organization: Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4638E64C.16E6@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <4638C5D3.6060205@isoc.org> <4638D653.1A78@xyzzy.claranet.de> <4638DBF9.1030006@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust243.tnt9.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: IAOC Communications Plan: Review Requested X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik Levkowetz wrote on the general list: > I'll look into it. Thanks, while you're at it, I tried to find a working Wiki to answer Simon's feature requests with "exists", and for that I had to go to the IESG Wiki, the Tools Wiki http://www1.tools.ietf.org/wiki is apparently gone (broken link on the Tools start page). Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 02 15:33:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjKa9-0003gC-W7; Wed, 02 May 2007 15:33:45 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HjKa9-0003fz-72 for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 15:33:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjKa8-0003fq-Tm for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 15:33:44 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjKa8-0000ke-Gq for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 15:33:44 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HjKa8-0003Ki-0a; Wed, 02 May 2007 21:33:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4638E797.1000801@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 21:33:43 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: IAOC Communications Plan: Review Requested References: <4638C5D3.6060205@isoc.org> <4638D653.1A78@xyzzy.claranet.de> <4638DBF9.1030006@levkowetz.com> <4638E64C.16E6@xyzzy.claranet.de> In-Reply-To: <4638E64C.16E6@xyzzy.claranet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: nobody@xyzzy.claranet.de, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Frank, on 2007-05-02 21:28 Frank Ellermann said the following: > Henrik Levkowetz wrote on the general list: > >> I'll look into it. > > Thanks, ... and it's fixed now, and validates at the w3c validator. > while you're at it, I tried to find a working > Wiki to answer Simon's feature requests with "exists", > and for that I had to go to the IESG Wiki, the Tools > Wiki http://www1.tools.ietf.org/wiki is apparently > gone (broken link on the Tools start page). Yes. It's not only the page, but a whole server which is gone. I'll be moving stuff over from that wiki when the server is online again; I'm much happier with the Trac wiki than with the previous (MoinMoin) wiki used for those pages. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 02 16:20:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjLJC-0005ay-7d; Wed, 02 May 2007 16:20:18 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HjLJB-0005aU-RY for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 16:20:17 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjKs8-0002Zy-Bj for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 15:52:20 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjKry-00045O-9I for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 15:52:19 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HjKrZ-0006a8-LQ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 21:51:45 +0200 Received: from 1cust243.tnt9.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net ([149.225.140.243]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 May 2007 21:51:40 +0200 Received: from nobody by 1cust243.tnt9.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 02 May 2007 21:51:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 21:50:29 +0200 Organization: Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4638EB85.6C15@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <4638C5D3.6060205@isoc.org> <4638D653.1A78@xyzzy.claranet.de> <4638DBF9.1030006@levkowetz.com> <4638E64C.16E6@xyzzy.claranet.de> <4638E797.1000801@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust243.tnt9.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: IAOC Communications Plan: Review Requested X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > I'm much happier with the Trac wiki than with the > previous (MoinMoin) wiki used for those pages. Strong ACK, Moinmoin assumes that all browsers can handle inline PNG icons, which isn't true for my "mozilla 3" dinosaur, and the builtin "broken image" icon of my browser is horrible. Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 11 08:09:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HmTvi-0003jt-Cz; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:09:02 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HmTvg-0003ji-Vn for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:09:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HmTve-0003jG-0J for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:08:58 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HmTvc-0007nq-M2 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:08:57 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HmTvW-0005DU-09 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 14:08:50 +0200 Received: from 1cust166.tnt3.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net ([149.225.14.166]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 14:08:49 +0200 Received: from nobody by 1cust166.tnt3.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 14:08:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:08:21 +0200 Organization: Lines: 6 Message-ID: <46445CB5.79E9@xyzzy.claranet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust166.tnt3.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Subject: [Tools-discuss] http://rtg.ietf.org/ X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, http://rtg.ietf.org/ is apparently down again. How about mirroring Bill's ABNF and xml2rfc validators on the IETF tools servers ? Or if that already exists, what's the URL ? Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri May 11 12:42:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HmYCO-0003cR-QP; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:42:32 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HmYCO-0003cK-An for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:42:32 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HmYCO-0003cC-1A for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:42:32 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HmYCN-0004Ws-Ko for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:42:32 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmYCM-0003MS-C9; Fri, 11 May 2007 18:42:30 +0200 Message-ID: <46449CF6.7000901@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:42:30 -0400 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] http://rtg.ietf.org/ References: <46445CB5.79E9@xyzzy.claranet.de> In-Reply-To: <46445CB5.79E9@xyzzy.claranet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: nobody@xyzzy.claranet.de, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, on 2007-05-11 08:08 Frank Ellermann said the following: > Hi, http://rtg.ietf.org/ is apparently down again. How about > mirroring Bill's ABNF and xml2rfc validators on the IETF tools > servers ? Or if that already exists, what's the URL ? Fine by me. I'm horribly swamped right now, but hope to be caught up by Chicago, and will (if agreeable to Bill) set up mirroring for this when I work through my backlog. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue May 15 20:38:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ho7Wp-0006YK-5E; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:38:07 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ho7Wn-0006Rz-N4 for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:38:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ho7Wn-0006QP-CO for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:38:05 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ho7Wl-0000Xr-Ix for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:38:05 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 May 2007 17:38:03 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,538,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="486113696:sNHT44538876" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4G0c2xU023870; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:38:02 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l4G0bw22023846; Wed, 16 May 2007 00:38:02 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 15 May 2007 17:38:02 -0700 Received: from [10.32.244.219] ([10.32.244.219]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 15 May 2007 17:38:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <002F9905-FA7D-4895-B20B-2C45AAFFCD11@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Fred Baker Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:38:00 -0700 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2007 00:38:02.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[75C892E0:01C79752] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=762; t=1179275882; x=1180139882; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:=20Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:=20Fwd=3A=20 |Sender:=20; bh=r1POjn42ps3lphH/LDboHOyKZDrLbpQ7i7Rhgw+twb0=; b=q9JMcQQ+R+epKP6te8jjhBPacv8q1gkyB8BNmphANUO+H6erVgNXGAkmCX3H9MtbOlIS3F4L asyHnyI2bUKMMhoDqHnhJ1sUDORdMi3vAYd8F5Rq9lp2HdHxWJqMFkxf; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass (si g from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: james woodyatt Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org thoughts, anyone? Begin forwarded message: > From: james woodyatt > Date: May 15, 2007 4:50:47 PM PDT > To: V6CPE Design Team team@external.cisco.com> > > everyone-- > > The IETF Tools server appears to be confused about the status of my > ALD draft. I've asked the IETF Secretariat about the status of the > draft, and I've not received a response (even groveled my spam file > for it, and no dice). The main IETF server has it, though: > > < http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-woodyatt-ald-00.txt> > > Is there some trick to getting the Tools server to offer the draft? > > > -- > james woodyatt > member of technical staff, communications engineering _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 16 15:56:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HoPcF-0001JV-Ed; Wed, 16 May 2007 15:56:55 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HoPcE-0001JN-Fs for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 15:56:54 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HoPcD-0001JE-O8 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 15:56:53 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HoPcC-0006Qk-Dd for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 15:56:53 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HoPbr-0007K3-24 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 21:56:31 +0200 Received: from 1cust206.tnt7.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net ([149.225.100.206]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 21:56:31 +0200 Received: from nobody by 1cust206.tnt7.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 21:56:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Frank Ellermann Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:55:38 +0200 Organization: Lines: 14 Message-ID: <464B61BA.7C68@xyzzy.claranet.de> References: <002F9905-FA7D-4895-B20B-2C45AAFFCD11@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust206.tnt7.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Fwd: X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fred Baker wrote: > thoughts, anyone? [...] >> Is there some trick to getting the Tools server to offer the draft? Works for me (now), www1, www2, www3, and the generic http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-woodyatt-ald-00.txt The servers are not always in perfect sync, and in such cases I'd try www1.tools.ietf.org (or 2 or 3). Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 16 17:50:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HoROL-0001xZ-68; Wed, 16 May 2007 17:50:41 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HoROJ-0001xT-Lt for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 17:50:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HoROJ-0001xI-BT for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 17:50:39 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HoROH-00008o-Td for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 17:50:39 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HoROE-0000I4-Na; Wed, 16 May 2007 23:50:34 +0200 Message-ID: <464B7CAA.6060808@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:50:34 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: References: <002F9905-FA7D-4895-B20B-2C45AAFFCD11@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <002F9905-FA7D-4895-B20B-2C45AAFFCD11@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: fred@cisco.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, jhw@apple.com, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: james woodyatt , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi James, Fred, on 2007-05-16 02:38 Fred Baker said the following: > thoughts, anyone? > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: james woodyatt >> Date: May 15, 2007 4:50:47 PM PDT >> To: V6CPE Design Team > team@external.cisco.com> >> >> everyone-- >> >> The IETF Tools server appears to be confused about the status of my >> ALD draft. I've asked the IETF Secretariat about the status of the >> draft, and I've not received a response (even groveled my spam file >> for it, and no dice). The main IETF server has it, though: >> >> < http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-woodyatt-ald-00.txt> >> >> Is there some trick to getting the Tools server to offer the draft? No trick. Two of the tools servers has this OK, but the third hasn't, for some reason. I'm updating that one with your draft; but I still haven't figured out the reason for the glitch, and have to do so to avoid future problems. [Several hours later] Ok, found the glitch and fixed that too. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 23 07:21:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HqouA-00010A-UJ; Wed, 23 May 2007 07:21:23 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HqouA-000104-4A for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 07:21:22 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hqou9-0000yo-O4 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 07:21:21 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hqou6-0003y6-Sl for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 07:21:21 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 May 2007 11:21:17 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.87]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp056) with SMTP; 23 May 2007 13:21:17 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18tOg0YMG0tFvUcT/JrXkoGR9Vw3IrkPTxaBlb9pp aoi0x7hyx+WA3/ Message-ID: <465423A3.1010605@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:21:07 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Subject: [Tools-discuss] ID-Nits downref warnings X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, now that ID-Nits checks references for downrefs, would it make sense to collect information about non-IETF specs that can be safely referenced from standards tracks specs? For instance, it really makes little sense to warn about a reference to REC-XML, right? Best regards, Julian _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 23 08:10:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HqpfH-0004Ua-9G; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:10:03 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HqpfF-0004U9-US for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:10:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HqpfF-0004U1-J3 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:10:01 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HqpfE-0000Sc-4z for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:10:01 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=marsanne.levkowetz.com ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqpfD-00029q-4n; Wed, 23 May 2007 14:09:59 +0200 Message-ID: <46542F16.7090507@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:09:58 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ID-Nits downref warnings References: <465423A3.1010605@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <465423A3.1010605@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: julian.reschke@gmx.de, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Julian, On 2007-05-23 13:21 Julian Reschke said the following: > Hi, > > now that ID-Nits checks references for downrefs, would it make sense to > collect information about non-IETF specs that can be safely referenced > from standards tracks specs? > > For instance, it really makes little sense to warn about a reference to > REC-XML, right? Makes sense to me. I'm already using information from http://www3.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/DownrefRegistry in idnits -- this page gives both known non-standard documents which should not be flagged, and a rationale for when documents should be added to the list. If somebody would collect appropriate additional documents for this list, I'd hope that we could get one of the people with write access (the IESG members) to add the relevant information there, and I'd also update idnits to know about the documents in question. One slightly sticky point is maybe to identify the unique canonical identifier for non-RFC documents, something that idnits could reliably recognize -- I'll leave that for people with the appropriate domain knowledge... Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed May 23 08:20:51 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hqppj-0005qp-LR; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:20:51 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Hqppj-0005qk-A8 for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:20:51 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hqppj-0005qc-0V for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:20:51 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hqppf-0005dd-IQ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:20:50 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 May 2007 12:20:46 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.87]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 23 May 2007 14:20:46 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18h57BylUQhb+YjTIKQvlk2Zh3BqlY9pdTMf2iVkd kPR0SUw9Izx1GU Message-ID: <46543194.8050208@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:20:36 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ID-Nits downref warnings References: <465423A3.1010605@gmx.de> <46542F16.7090507@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <46542F16.7090507@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Julian, > > On 2007-05-23 13:21 Julian Reschke said the following: >> Hi, >> >> now that ID-Nits checks references for downrefs, would it make sense to >> collect information about non-IETF specs that can be safely referenced >> from standards tracks specs? >> >> For instance, it really makes little sense to warn about a reference to >> REC-XML, right? > > Makes sense to me. I'm already using information from > > http://www3.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/DownrefRegistry > > in idnits -- this page gives both known non-standard documents which > should not be flagged, and a rationale for when documents should be > added to the list. Great. I didn't know (or forgot) about that one. > If somebody would collect appropriate additional documents for this > list, I'd hope that we could get one of the people with write access > (the IESG members) to add the relevant information there, and I'd > also update idnits to know about the documents in question. > > One slightly sticky point is maybe to identify the unique canonical > identifier for non-RFC documents, something that idnits could reliably > recognize -- I'll leave that for people with the appropriate domain > knowledge... I guess we should standardize the format for the RCF2629 "seriesInfo" element. For instance, uses: which i think is still too verbose; or even should be sufficient (the current format on xml.resource.org duplicates the "REC" state both in the name and the value field, that's my main gripe). Best regards, Julian _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 24 03:34:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hr7pu-0003EE-Ke; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:34:14 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Hr7pt-0003E9-AR for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:34:13 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hr7pp-0003Dm-Rg for Tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:34:09 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.239]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hr7po-0006FE-Kx for Tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:34:09 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id z31so503616nzd for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 00:34:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Get0/+eExCzvPxxgtqWeYeU1TiiDSBLpIiekqctmABp+TS2P175z1sKZo4OpbByX+vJOIP6twLieBqxoyFNohTcay6g3kJ7d32TD/K5oLsiaudzTTBnm8usldVf8/ajRkqJ5wOkH4myUGnUWJ1VogjjupK6pnPQ9Od/+v286pmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Slhp/E1sF6tjjyI+9kETEeHGIg37znMf4pyBYVKdDt+MP8aVTUkOYVyYmL7LPouUHmiXJ4otOn00aEEKd/BRTpd2+CBvM3meXsx8+3cUhlnPLJ/iI7Av9PtPBm9aSOC9WcpAb0wUsdThfPvmCQd6CRy4H49BPbY0nOXdtRwtsdg= Received: by 10.114.159.1 with SMTP id h1mr735864wae.1179992047975; Thu, 24 May 2007 00:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.55.15 with HTTP; Thu, 24 May 2007 00:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:34:07 +1000 From: chown To: Tools-discuss@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: Subject: [Tools-discuss] HTTP 'HASH' method X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0719462855==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org --===============0719462855== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_130252_23057292.1179992047938" ------=_Part_130252_23057292.1179992047938 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think a 'HASH' method should be implemented into HTTP, whereby the server responds with a hash (md5/sha) of the requested resource. This would be a godsend for large networks which tend to use caching extensively, because caching-proxy servers could verify the resource hasn't changed while creating a minimal amount of traffic, instead of deleting the cache after x seconds. -- chown. ------=_Part_130252_23057292.1179992047938 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think a 'HASH' method should be implemented into HTTP, whereby the server responds with a hash (md5/sha) of the requested resource. This would be a godsend for large networks which tend to use caching extensively, because caching-proxy servers could verify the resource hasn't changed while creating a minimal amount of traffic, instead of deleting the cache after x seconds.

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------=_Part_130252_23057292.1179992047938-- --===============0719462855== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0719462855==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 24 05:00:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hr9B0-00071t-8B; Thu, 24 May 2007 05:00:06 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Hr9Ay-00071n-Jr for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 05:00:04 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hr9Ay-00071Z-6z for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 05:00:04 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.226]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hr9Aw-0006pH-Qh for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 05:00:04 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t5so252100wxc for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:00:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=D23Zo1CxI3lyMYD90t7YjP4vLZ030yD/7Q1lDRMd8PfwkeuKsjLtvjpJW9nYjaOb+ZfP9TqX53QPj0znzYbTvo2IGBEwdFy4j9BVg4u9nAl5pBT0fjjTbrStXz67lvsXcDNFa3aAEvYGGyJCTyk8WZadgNrlFZocp++XYp9haCw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sk/ZHqDan9xLmJLMUllNdpEXlXTbJ8AbM3AaV597derjzclrIl4Gq76/0zuIoiFCyW6FLaeBft7YuMDnnxa79wT54mG8TAW6lPvEnqZgCBYczCuSSx0Ijb9DtVbCZ6exEN3cGGsqoI2ZsCr2tY9C6DN5waLZQX6kHeWIvMCDUzw= Received: by 10.90.73.7 with SMTP id v7mr1537650aga.1179997202599; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.10.50.1? ( [213.3.13.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g5sm519025wra.2007.05.24.02.00.00; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4655540D.8090103@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:59:57 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ID-Nits downref warnings References: <465423A3.1010605@gmx.de> <46542F16.7090507@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <46542F16.7090507@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: Julian Reschke , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On 2007-05-23 14:09, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Julian, > > On 2007-05-23 13:21 Julian Reschke said the following: >> Hi, >> >> now that ID-Nits checks references for downrefs, would it make sense to >> collect information about non-IETF specs that can be safely referenced >> from standards tracks specs? >> >> For instance, it really makes little sense to warn about a reference to >> REC-XML, right? > > Makes sense to me. I'm already using information from > > http://www3.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/DownrefRegistry > > in idnits -- this page gives both known non-standard documents which > should not be flagged, and a rationale for when documents should be > added to the list. > > If somebody would collect appropriate additional documents for this > list, I'd hope that we could get one of the people with write access > (the IESG members) to add the relevant information there, and I'd > also update idnits to know about the documents in question. I think Bill and I still have write access to that wiki for another couple of months, but I'd want the IESG to approve (which should be a no-brainer IMNSHO). Brian > > One slightly sticky point is maybe to identify the unique canonical > identifier for non-RFC documents, something that idnits could reliably > recognize -- I'll leave that for people with the appropriate domain > knowledge... > > > Henrik > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > -- NEW: Preferred email for non-IBM matters: brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 24 08:22:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrCKU-0002ar-A7; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:22:06 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HrCKT-0002Yq-1S for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:22:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrCKS-0002Yi-O3 for Tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:22:04 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrCKR-0003DC-5J for Tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:22:04 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 30ADA20AC1; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:22:02 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-a8cebbb0000073d5-a2-4655836a9263 Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.121]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 1508820911; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:22:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.176]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 May 2007 14:22:02 +0200 Received: from [147.214.237.61] ([147.214.237.61]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 May 2007 14:22:01 +0200 Message-ID: <46558369.9020406@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:22:01 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chown Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTTP 'HASH' method References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 12:22:01.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[21DEEBE0:01C79DFE] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On 2007-05-24 09:34 chown said the following: > I think a 'HASH' method should be implemented into HTTP, whereby the server > responds with a hash (md5/sha) of the requested resource. This would be a > godsend for large networks which tend to use caching extensively, because > caching-proxy servers could verify the resource hasn't changed while > creating a minimal amount of traffic, instead of deleting the cache after x > seconds. Possibly you could combine a HEAD request with the Hash signature from this document, which is currently with the IESG for approval: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wilde-text-fragment Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 24 08:23:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrCMC-000476-QU; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:23:52 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HrCMC-00046o-6m for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:23:52 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrCMB-00046g-TU for Tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:23:51 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrCMA-0003Pq-CN for Tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:23:51 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id E536520B3C; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:23:49 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-ac51ebb0000073d5-62-465583d5cfd5 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id D6B6B20B2B; Thu, 24 May 2007 14:23:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.174]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 May 2007 14:23:49 +0200 Received: from [147.214.237.61] ([147.214.237.61]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 May 2007 14:23:49 +0200 Message-ID: <465583D5.3080301@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:23:49 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chown Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTTP 'HASH' method References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 12:23:49.0479 (UTC) FILETIME=[62004F70:01C79DFE] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On 2007-05-24 09:34 chown said the following: > I think a 'HASH' method should be implemented into HTTP, whereby the server > responds with a hash (md5/sha) of the requested resource. This would be a > godsend for large networks which tend to use caching extensively, because > caching-proxy servers could verify the resource hasn't changed while > creating a minimal amount of traffic, instead of deleting the cache after x > seconds. Possibly you could combine a HEAD request with the Hash signature from this document, which is currently with the IESG for approval: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wilde-text-fragment Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 24 08:55:59 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrCrG-0006SF-OL; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:55:58 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HrCrF-0006S9-Aa for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:55:57 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrCrF-0006S1-10 for Tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:55:57 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrCrC-0002n7-Jd for Tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:55:57 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 May 2007 12:55:53 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.87]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 24 May 2007 14:55:53 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19KXnwrzAlKvonecIUQJ/kWSXty7lGEKav077nDBJ 9F0ipBzRIlrGVY Message-ID: <46558B4F.7060102@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:55:43 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chown Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTTP 'HASH' method References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org chown wrote: > I think a 'HASH' method should be implemented into HTTP, whereby the > server responds with a hash (md5/sha) of the requested resource. This > would be a godsend for large networks which tend to use caching > extensively, because caching-proxy servers could verify the resource > hasn't changed while creating a minimal amount of traffic, instead of > deleting the cache after x seconds. In theory, you can already use the Content-MD5 response header for that (); the only problem is that there's no reliable way to request it from a server. Best regards, Julian PS: this is really a topic for the ietf-http-wg mailing list (). _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 24 10:51:41 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrEfB-0005Cb-C4; Thu, 24 May 2007 10:51:37 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HqumP-0008M1-88 for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 13:37:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HqumO-0008Lt-Ug for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 13:37:44 -0400 Received: from sb7.songbird.com ([208.184.79.137]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HqumM-0006xG-Jm for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 13:37:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (adsl-68-122-125-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [68.122.125.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by sb7.songbird.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4NHbFg4012168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 10:37:15 -0700 Message-ID: <46547B99.4040303@bbiw.net> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:36:25 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Priority: 2 (High) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SongbirdInformation: support@songbird.com for more information X-Songbird: Clean X-Songbird-From: dcrocker@bbiw.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:51:36 -0400 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.04.07 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org ID Nits seems to have stopped working. I've tried it on some files that used to generate useful output, but now I get: > tmp/draft-crocker-rfc4234bis-01-00dc.txt: > tmp/draft-crocker-rfc4234bis-01-00dc.txt(3): Line is too long: the offending characters are '10 Python/2.4.4 PHP/4.4.4-9 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8e mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 Server at xml.resource.org Port 80' > d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu May 24 11:04:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrErU-0007Iq-So; Thu, 24 May 2007 11:04:20 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HrErT-0007Il-7J for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 11:04:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrErS-0007Id-Ty for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 11:04:18 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HrErR-0002GZ-HT for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 11:04:18 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=marsanne.levkowetz.com ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrErQ-0007Ka-BQ; Thu, 24 May 2007 17:04:16 +0200 Message-ID: <4655A96E.7060003@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:04:14 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.04.07 feedback References: <46547B99.4040303@bbiw.net> In-Reply-To: <46547B99.4040303@bbiw.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Dave, On 2007-05-23 19:36 Dave Crocker said the following: > ID Nits seems to have stopped working. I've tried it on some files that used > to generate useful output, but now I get: > >> tmp/draft-crocker-rfc4234bis-01-00dc.txt: >> tmp/draft-crocker-rfc4234bis-01-00dc.txt(3): Line is too long: the offending characters are '10 Python/2.4.4 PHP/4.4.4-9 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8e mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 Server at xml.resource.org Port 80' >> I just tested all 3 servers, and they seem to be performing fine. Not sure where the original error lies, but it seems that the immediate cause of the error you got is that you were feeding idnits XML rather than text/plain. >From the snippet in the error message, I suspect that either xml.resource.org is misbehaving, or you had an error in the input XML which resulted in non-text output from xml.resource.org... I'll be checking www3.xml.resource.org with known-good xml files next. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss