From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Sep 10 19:45:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUsus-00030l-VC; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:43:42 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IUsus-00030f-FD for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:43:42 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUsus-00030X-5i; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:43:42 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IUsuq-0000Bq-S1; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:43:42 -0400 Received: from [10.20.30.108] (adsl-66-125-125-65.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [66.125.125.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l8ANhd76006194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:43:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:42:42 -0700 To: ietf-action@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Protocol Action: 'The Archived-At Message Header Field' to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org >The IESG has approved the following document: > >- 'The Archived-At Message Header Field ' > as a Proposed Standard > >This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an >IETF Working Group. > >The IESG contact person is Chris Newman. > >A URL of this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-duerst-archived-at-09.txt > >Technical Summary > > This defines a new email header field, Archived-At:, to provide > a direct link to the archived form of an individual email message. > It can be added by mailing lists or news servers associated with an > online archive. > >Working Group Summary > > This is the product of an individual submitter. > >Protocol Quality > > This was discussed on the message header field review mailing list. > During development of this specification, a decision was made to allow > folding whitespace in the middle of the URL, but to otherwise use a > simpler and more restrictive syntax than RFC 2369 which covers a related > topic. This specification was reviewed for the IESG by Chris Newman. > It has been used by the W3C and Gmane. > It would be grand if the ietf-general and ietf-announce mailing lists could start supporting this new standard as soon as possible. (Heck, it would be great if all lists housed at the IETF did!) --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 12 08:52:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVRfz-0004eV-34; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:50:39 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IVRfy-0004Zn-2K for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:50:38 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVRfx-0004X6-JY for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:50:37 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVRfx-0002If-4X for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:50:37 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IVRfs-000451-Pn for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:50:32 +0200 Received: from pd956aa3a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.86.170.58]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:50:32 +0200 Received: from nobody by pd956aa3a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:50:32 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: "Frank Ellermann" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:45:16 +0200 Lines: 10 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd956aa3a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 4.2 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Opensearch.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, just for fun I've written a dummy opensearch.org description for the first search form on : For the XML file see http://hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz.googlepages.com/ietftool.a9.xml For a Javascript "AddSearchProvider" link see http://hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz.googlepages.com/index.html Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Sep 16 05:17:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWqFR-0001qT-W8; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 05:17:01 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IThbz-0004Py-CE for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:27:19 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IThbz-0004Pq-2i for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:27:19 -0400 Received: from rimp1.nist.gov ([129.6.16.226] helo=smtp.nist.gov) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IThbx-00078K-Dz for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:27:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.15.166] (bethany.ncsl.nist.gov [129.6.52.15]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l87HRCOe018071; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:27:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tim Polk Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:27:11 -0400 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: tim.polk@nist.gov X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 05:17:00 -0400 Subject: [Tools-discuss] updating the editors list for drafts... X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I find the email lists for Internet Draft editors (e.g., draft- name@tools.ietf.org) to be an extraordinarily useful and efficient mechanism. (I can't believe how many hours I've wasted in the past cutting and pasting editors' names out of the documents before I discovered this feature was available. Sigh.) However, I have recently encountered several drafts where one of the email addresses needed to be updated. Every time a discussion was initiated, I would end up forwarding at least one message to the editor's new email address. Oftentimes, I would forward three or four before everyone on the thread worked it out! I assume that the ID editors lists are generated automatically when the ID is submitted. Does a mechanism exist to update these email lists, other than submission of a new draft, when an editor's email changes? It really streamlines the discussion process if the list is current... Thanks, Tim Polk _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Sep 16 06:23:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWrHi-00005n-04; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 06:23:26 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IWrHh-00005i-5m for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 06:23:25 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWrHg-00005Z-RA for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 06:23:24 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWrHg-0005LD-72 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 06:23:24 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CBB198646; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:23:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A84198601; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:23:23 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <46ED041A.8060201@piuha.net> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:23:22 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (X11/20070824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Polk Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] updating the editors list for drafts... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I believe Henrik's servers are using the data from getauthors, a tool that I wrote to extract all sorts of information from the documents themselves. There is a plan to move to a secretary-maintained author information. I suspect this happens when the I-D submission tool becomes fully operational. There's a related issue that Henrik and I have talked about. Namely, I've run into a couple of bugs in the getauthors tool, and currently the updates in the tool are not getting reflected in what the tools server does. This should be fixed soon. I don't think either the secretary or the tool based model currently accommodates e-mail address changes without document resubmission. If a feature like that were available, do you believe people would update their information? Jari Tim Polk kirjoitti: > > I find the email lists for Internet Draft editors (e.g., > draft-name@tools.ietf.org) > to be an extraordinarily useful and efficient mechanism. (I can't > believe > how many hours I've wasted in the past cutting and pasting editors' > names out of the documents before I discovered this feature was > available. Sigh.) > > However, I have recently encountered several drafts where one of the > email addresses needed to be updated. Every time a discussion > was initiated, I would end up forwarding at least one message to the > editor's new email address. Oftentimes, I would forward three or four > before everyone on the thread worked it out! > > I assume that the ID editors lists are generated automatically when the > ID is submitted. Does a mechanism exist to update these email lists, > other than submission of a new draft, when an editor's email changes? > It really streamlines the discussion process if the list is current... > > Thanks, > > Tim Polk > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Sep 16 11:39:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWwDV-00015S-AO; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:39:25 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IWwDU-000116-5N for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:39:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWwDT-0000zY-RH for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:39:23 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWwDS-0003f5-Ta for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:39:23 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53975 helo=chardonnay.local.levkowetz.com ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IWwDN-00046W-45; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:39:17 +0200 Message-ID: <46ED4E21.7000608@levkowetz.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:39:13 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jari Arkko Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] updating the editors list for drafts... References: <46ED041A.8060201@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <46ED041A.8060201@piuha.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: jari.arkko@piuha.net, tim.polk@nist.gov, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 Cc: Tim Polk , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2046972625==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============2046972625== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigBC640FF71065AC9D8F6EDE07" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigBC640FF71065AC9D8F6EDE07 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jari, Tim, On 2007-09-16 12:23 Jari Arkko said the following: > I believe Henrik's servers are using the data from > getauthors, a tool that I wrote to extract all sorts > of information from the documents themselves. Correct. > There is a plan to move to a secretary-maintained > author information. I suspect this happens when > the I-D submission tool becomes fully operational. =2E.. and used by the majority of submitters. > There's a related issue that Henrik and I have > talked about. Namely, I've run into a couple of > bugs in the getauthors tool, and currently the > updates in the tool are not getting reflected > in what the tools server does. This should be > fixed soon. Right. Will continue a conversation with Jari off-list about this... > I don't think either the secretary or the tool > based model currently accommodates > e-mail address changes without document > resubmission. If a feature like that were available, > do you believe people would update their > information? There exists a specification for an email update tool, but it's completely undefined when this might be implemented. Henrik > Jari >=20 >=20 > Tim Polk kirjoitti: >> I find the email lists for Internet Draft editors (e.g., >> draft-name@tools.ietf.org) >> to be an extraordinarily useful and efficient mechanism. (I can't >> believe >> how many hours I've wasted in the past cutting and pasting editors' >> names out of the documents before I discovered this feature was >> available. Sigh.) >> >> However, I have recently encountered several drafts where one of the >> email addresses needed to be updated. Every time a discussion >> was initiated, I would end up forwarding at least one message to the >> editor's new email address. Oftentimes, I would forward three or four= >> before everyone on the thread worked it out! >> >> I assume that the ID editors lists are generated automatically when th= e >> ID is submitted. Does a mechanism exist to update these email lists, >> other than submission of a new draft, when an editor's email changes? >> It really streamlines the discussion process if the list is current...= >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tim Polk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 --------------enigBC640FF71065AC9D8F6EDE07 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFG7U4seVhrtTJkXCMRAkO9AJwPbVKzoipk44hnsPZV3lxV2BsgRACg7tmD xPqTi+rRAsK46vyu/fmDQEI= =3Q36 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigBC640FF71065AC9D8F6EDE07-- --===============2046972625== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============2046972625==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Sep 16 16:54:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX187-00018n-7a; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:54:11 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IX185-00014Y-Hp for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:54:10 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX185-000148-24 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:54:09 -0400 Received: from rimp1.nist.gov ([129.6.16.226] helo=smtp.nist.gov) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX183-00048Q-T0 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:54:09 -0400 Received: from [129.6.222.20] ([129.6.222.20]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8GKs0OH004956; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:54:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <46ED041A.8060201@piuha.net> References: <46ED041A.8060201@piuha.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3772802C-AFD8-48B4-BC45-E341FF73F5D1@nist.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tim Polk Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] updating the editors list for drafts... Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:53:59 -0400 To: Jari Arkko X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: tim.polk@nist.gov X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Jari, Thanks for the background... On Sep 16, 2007, at 6:23 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > (stuff deleted)/ > > I don't think either the secretary or the tool > based model currently accommodates > e-mail address changes without document > resubmission. If a feature like that were available, > do you believe people would update their > information? > > Jari I don't think the authors would update their information, but the WG chair or AD *might*. There have been a couple of cases where I would have updated it, anyway. Tim _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Sep 16 19:42:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX3kp-00083M-Ga; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:42:19 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IX3kn-00083A-3e for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:42:17 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX3km-000831-78 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:42:16 -0400 Received: from smtp7-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.64]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX3kl-0000LT-Sf for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:42:16 -0400 Received: from smtp7-g19.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp7-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02ECE1A360; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:42:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from asus.free.fr (ver78-2-82-241-91-24.fbx.proxad.net [82.241.91.24]) by smtp7-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB0B19596; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:42:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:42:07 +0200 To: Henrik Levkowetz , Simon Josefsson From: JFC Morfin Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Wiki pages for WGs? In-Reply-To: <46BB38F4.3070804@levkowetz.com> References: <87ps1zd8qt.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> <46BB38F4.3070804@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-23DB2D72 Message-Id: <20070916234214.9EB0B19596@smtp7-g19.free.fr> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org At 17:55 09/08/2007, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >Some WGs already have them, and it's on my to-do list to roll this out >for all WGs. If there is a specific WG you'd like this for, let me >know which one or ones, and I'll set it up. > > > I don't think it needs to be organized as one per WG, just having it > > possible to create a WG-specific wiki page for some specific work item > > seems useful. > > > > Ultimately, having one wiki space for each WG may be nicer, but may > > create unnecessarily much overhead for you. > >Not at all -- that's the way I'm planning to do it. Do you plan using directly using a wiki system (which one?) or adapting one to the needs of WGs? Thank you. jfc _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Sep 17 02:05:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX9ji-0004Iy-MR; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:05:34 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IX9jh-0004In-MJ for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:05:33 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX9jh-0004Ie-76 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:05:33 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX9jf-0000NO-Tn for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:05:33 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59789 helo=chardonnay.local.levkowetz.com ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IX9je-00014h-FS; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:05:30 +0200 Message-ID: <46EE1931.1070509@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:05:37 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JFC Morfin Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Wiki pages for WGs? References: <87ps1zd8qt.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> <46BB38F4.3070804@levkowetz.com> <20070916234214.9EB0B19596@smtp7-g19.free.fr> In-Reply-To: <20070916234214.9EB0B19596@smtp7-g19.free.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: jefsey@jefsey.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On 2007-09-17 01:42 JFC Morfin said the following: > At 17:55 09/08/2007, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: ... >>> Ultimately, having one wiki space for each WG may be nicer, but may >>> create unnecessarily much overhead for you. >> Not at all -- that's the way I'm planning to do it. > > Do you plan using directly using a wiki system (which one?) Yes. Trac. See for instance http://tools.ietf.org/wg/netlmm/ . Henrik > or > adapting one to the needs of WGs? > Thank you. > jfc > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 18 07:21:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXb8j-0003nf-Kp; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:21:13 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IXb8i-0003nQ-3l for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:21:12 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXb8h-0003nI-Pq for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:21:11 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXb8h-0000C4-Fm for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:21:11 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B67B198690 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:21:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344A91985F6 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:21:10 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <46EFB4A7.3020108@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:21:11 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (X11/20070824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Subject: [Tools-discuss] ASN.1 verifiers? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Do we have easily accessible ASN.1 verifiers somewhere? I am asking because now and then I'm reviewing documents that have pure ASN.1 (not just MIBs), and it would be good to be able to give the formal parts to a verification tool. Jari _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 18 17:49:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXkwy-00047l-SX; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:49:44 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IXkwx-00046q-9w for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:49:43 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXkww-00046d-Vc for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:49:43 -0400 Received: from mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXkww-00011r-NU for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:49:42 -0400 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7407687C7; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.13.1/8.12.10/Submit) id l8ILncxE009072; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:49:38 -0400 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200709182149.l8ILncxE009072@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Protocol Action: 'The Archived-At Message Header Field' to Proposed Standard Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:49:38 -0400 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org >It would be grand if the ietf-general and ietf-announce mailing lists >could start supporting this new standard as soon as possible. (Heck, >it would be great if all lists housed at the IETF did!) AFAIK, the current method of generating archives is to have an archive-generator subscribed to the mailing list; obviously, Archived-At is difficult to implement in this setting. I agree that it would be excellent to support Archived-At, but just warning that it may require a wholesale overhaul of the message archival system to integrate it into the message forwarding process so that the URL can be generated at the right time. Bill _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 18 19:56:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXmvH-00016l-Ij; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:56:07 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IXmvG-00013f-5Z for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:56:06 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXmvF-00013U-Ru for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:56:05 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXmvF-0008G9-6c for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:56:05 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51887 helo=chardonnay.local.levkowetz.com ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IXmvA-0006ip-Im; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:56:00 +0200 Message-ID: <46F06596.7030103@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:56:06 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Fenner Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Protocol Action: 'The Archived-At Message Header Field' to Proposed Standard References: <200709182149.l8ILncxE009072@bright.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <200709182149.l8ILncxE009072@bright.research.att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: fenner@research.att.com, paul.hoffman@vpnc.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 Cc: Paul Hoffman , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0266363700==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0266363700== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig6C739C542A41F53397B87196" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig6C739C542A41F53397B87196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2007-09-18 23:49 Bill Fenner said the following: >> It would be grand if the ietf-general and ietf-announce mailing lists = >> could start supporting this new standard as soon as possible. (Heck,=20 >> it would be great if all lists housed at the IETF did!) >=20 > AFAIK, the current method of generating archives is to have an > archive-generator subscribed to the mailing list; obviously, > Archived-At is difficult to implement in this setting. >=20 > I agree that it would be excellent to support Archived-At, but > just warning that it may require a wholesale overhaul of the > message archival system to integrate it into the message > forwarding process so that the URL can be generated at the > right time. Well, you don't necessarily need to have the archival system generate the URL for inclusion in the message if the URL can be deterministically generated based on the message headers and a fixed URL prefix at any time= =2E I do however agree that some overhaul of the archiving system would be needed in order to achieve that; but it's less of a change than having to change things so the archiving is done earlier in the chain. Henrik --------------enig6C739C542A41F53397B87196 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFG8GWWeVhrtTJkXCMRAhFJAKDLW/F9RyOG3BfdOy320J1BeZMP5wCgorZB ruyQWq30f91jBv6HyGMhXo0= =h+zd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6C739C542A41F53397B87196-- --===============0266363700== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0266363700==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 18 20:04:51 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXn3f-0007Mn-Lq; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:04:47 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IXn3e-0007Lc-2M for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:04:46 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXn3d-0007LU-P1 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:04:45 -0400 Received: from mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXn3Z-0000AE-JN for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:04:45 -0400 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547AA1480F1; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.13.1/8.12.10/Submit) id l8J04YeT019272; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:04:34 -0400 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200709190004.l8J04YeT019272@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Protocol Action: 'The Archived-At Message Header Field' to Proposed Standard References: <200709182149.l8ILncxE009072@bright.research.att.com> <46F06596.7030103@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:04:34 -0400 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: Paul Hoffman , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org >Well, you don't necessarily need to have the archival system generate >the URL for inclusion in the message if the URL can be deterministically >generated based on the message headers and a fixed URL prefix at any time. Indeed, Paul and I were discussing the idea of having Mailman insert the Archived-At: header with some value derived from, e.g., the Message-ID, then MHOnArc populate a database mapping Archived-At: values to archived filenames, and serving redirects from the Archived-At URLs to the actual resulting files. (I think this can be done with an entry in the mailman pipeline to add the header and a callback in the mhonarc run to populate the database.) Bill _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 19 01:38:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXsGL-00087k-4v; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:38:13 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IXsGK-00084w-6i for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:38:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXsGJ-00083c-NW for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:38:11 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXsGI-0007BE-WF for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:38:11 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43245 helo=chardonnay.local.levkowetz.com ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IXsGH-0006HK-Cc; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:38:09 +0200 Message-ID: <46F0B5C7.4020305@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:38:15 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Fenner Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Protocol Action: 'The Archived-At Message Header Field' to Proposed Standard References: <200709182149.l8ILncxE009072@bright.research.att.com> <46F06596.7030103@levkowetz.com> <200709190004.l8J04YeT019272@bright.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <200709190004.l8J04YeT019272@bright.research.att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: fenner@research.att.com, paul.hoffman@vpnc.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Cc: Paul Hoffman , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0071701054==" Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0071701054== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigFD4BC035973EA0F8CEFDD36E" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigFD4BC035973EA0F8CEFDD36E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2007-09-19 02:04 Bill Fenner said the following: >> Well, you don't necessarily need to have the archival system generate >> the URL for inclusion in the message if the URL can be deterministical= ly >> generated based on the message headers and a fixed URL prefix at any t= ime. >=20 > Indeed, Paul and I were discussing the idea of having Mailman insert > the Archived-At: header with some value derived from, e.g., the Message= -ID, > then MHOnArc populate a database mapping Archived-At: values to archive= d > filenames, and serving redirects from the Archived-At URLs to the > actual resulting files. Yes. Or simply archive the message under the Archived-At: URL directly, if it's put together appropriately. > (I think this can be done with an entry in the mailman pipeline to add > the header and a callback in the mhonarc run to populate the database.)= (A detail here is that I think Mailman doesn't use mhonarc, but modified code from a different archiver, but the principle is of course the same. Or maybe the IETF setup isn't standard Mailman. Anyway, it should work.)= Henrik --------------enigFD4BC035973EA0F8CEFDD36E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFG8LXHeVhrtTJkXCMRAkOvAKCVQ54Ge0JSFPkU+QCT1ZKSoLg6/wCgzIDk TvfSjImsvhxPQFoAQVdp4bg= =5cKA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigFD4BC035973EA0F8CEFDD36E-- --===============0071701054== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============0071701054==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 19 03:27:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXtxl-0005o4-0p; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:27:09 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IXtxj-0005ma-PZ for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:27:07 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXtxf-0005k5-1k for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:27:03 -0400 Received: from mx2.nic.fr ([192.134.4.11]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXtxZ-0001De-QS for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:27:03 -0400 Received: from mx2.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 59FB11C0123; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:26:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E451C0094; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:26:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BA058ECC8; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:26:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:26:52 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Bill Fenner Message-ID: <20070919072652.GA11103@nic.fr> References: <200709182149.l8ILncxE009072@bright.research.att.com> <46F06596.7030103@levkowetz.com> <200709190004.l8J04YeT019272@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200709190004.l8J04YeT019272@bright.research.att.com> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Fwd: Protocol Action: 'The Archived-At Message Header Field' to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 08:04:34PM -0400, Bill Fenner wrote a message of 21 lines which said: > Indeed, Paul and I were discussing the idea of having Mailman insert > the Archived-At: header with some value derived from, e.g., the > Message-ID, Yes, but be careful of the security issues first (section 3.2 of the future RFC). _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 19 05:43:59 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXw5t-0003xX-Ev; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:43:41 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IXw5s-0003wN-CZ for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:43:40 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IXw5s-0003wE-30 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:43:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXw49-0001WW-M1 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:41:53 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.234]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXw44-0004vj-Hh for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:41:53 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s8so98112wxc for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:41:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=C/PyH9gOC7zs7k0Hk6lqli+OInmLCjzczU5nUzDYJgA=; b=FS6h1TxvsJ38azNUgl7FOLX/Rap7SYC0R88FHrlQPim9xuipePUi8iB0AtRGXHIITxvKG0yyUBrL6vJlt+PZRfsC8MeD7EpdMu3FHMzLzPg1RBCq0Gaolc/OETJsRlIRy8qV9XgHMh4WLMRpWfWyuU9QK6d0QOHNYsOrGaS6BmM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QHrk7NdRunThCp7emrkE+BWOnRWmV5TXDA7oTHtuPVZKFYlC+sFKg8LKIwWfvINcvHxHp8ZGXDhxCm2rR9HSjeq+W1AFYSxC+CLsyAdTlstPC/0HIZDa0VmgYGuPsDZ6Xq5u79VH/qLZZ/BnfWu8bWB07Qkt306NFk5ErUNhj2k= Received: by 10.90.97.19 with SMTP id u19mr446467agb.1190194891150; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.105.18 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:41:31 +0400 From: "Alexander Bubnov" To: tools-discuss@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 X-TMDA-Confirmed: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:43:40 -0400 Subject: [Tools-discuss] SCTP. INIT-ACK with rwnd = 0 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hello! We have two realization of SCTP. When our side sends INIT then other one answers by INIT-ACK with rwnd=0. As I noticed there is not exact description of such case in RFC. SIDE A SIDE B <------------------------- INIT INIT-ACK (a_rwnd=0) -------------------------> <------------------------- ABORT (remarks) Should or must SCTP send ABORT on INIT-ACK wtih rwnd=0? Or should/must it continue association? Thanks in advance. -- /BR, Alexander _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 19 07:45:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXxyx-00009X-Fi; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:44:39 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IXxyv-00005u-SW for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:44:37 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXxyt-0008Ct-Vp for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:44:36 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXxyp-0005Zw-GR for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:44:31 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id E24C52079B; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:44:30 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-af833bb0000007e1-2c-46f10b9e3b11 Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.124]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id C9591206E1; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:44:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.171]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:44:30 +0200 Received: from [147.214.30.247] ([147.214.30.247]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:44:30 +0200 Message-ID: <46F10B9B.7010308@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:44:27 +0200 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Bubnov Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] SCTP. INIT-ACK with rwnd = 0 References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2007 11:44:30.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[70A51C20:01C7FAB2] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Alexander, You sent this to the wrong list. Please send the question to TSVWG (tsvwg@ietf.org) Best Regards Magnus Alexander Bubnov skrev: > Hello! > We have two realization of SCTP. When our side sends INIT then other > one answers by INIT-ACK with rwnd=0. As I noticed there is not exact > description of such case in RFC. > > SIDE A SIDE B > <------------------------- INIT > > INIT-ACK (a_rwnd=0) -------------------------> > > <------------------------- ABORT (remarks) > > Should or must SCTP send ABORT on INIT-ACK wtih rwnd=0? Or should/must > it continue association? > > Thanks in advance. > -- Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM/M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Sep 20 11:34:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYO2l-0001Yn-J4; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:34:19 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IXOX0-0001jj-Ti for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:53:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXOX0-0001jV-Je for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:53:26 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXOWz-0002Qx-Bs for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:53:26 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.20,266,1186383600"; d="scan'208";a="10234611" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Sep 2007 14:53:24 -0700 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l8HLrO8W021766 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:53:24 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l8HLrOpT027249 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:53:24 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:53:24 -0700 Received: from dhcp-171-71-97-219.cisco.com ([171.71.97.219]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:53:24 -0700 Message-ID: <46EEF754.6000408@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:53:24 -0700 From: Jim Fenton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2007 21:53:24.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BA768F0:01C7F975] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=213; t=1190066004; x=1190930004; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fenton@cisco.com; z=From:=20Jim=20Fenton=20 |Subject:=20Idnits-2.04.14=20feedback |Sender:=20; bh=0CbkEUjb0EsC3iLz7TYbuh5EpsYVo0ond2IixG56XAE=; b=XHCX6N3J0lggztD7bIo56eAbBVwAxmYM8nAE/KCxsPdBbw++Iq5aaBYKliQSCvuz44hger9f YgZ4BuDverKuuDbaSMkvAEX8C2zUC28/o5S+ABrZVM51WwEFIN6YaR9b; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=fenton@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:34:19 -0400 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.04.14 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org In checking a draft that references a fairly recent Proposed Standard, RFC 4871, idnits is saying that RFC 4871 is unknown state, and a potential downref. Is the database used by idnits out of date? -Jim _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Sep 20 11:41:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYO9M-0007CO-IZ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:41:08 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IYO9K-0007Bp-V9 for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:41:06 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYO9K-0007Bg-LD for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:41:06 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYO9J-0000Gr-Cd for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:41:06 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59666 helo=chardonnay.local.levkowetz.com ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IYO9I-0004o4-TI; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:41:04 +0200 Message-ID: <46F29496.3070702@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:41:10 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Fenton Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.04.14 feedback References: <46EEF754.6000408@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46EEF754.6000408@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: fenton@cisco.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Jim, On 2007-09-17 23:53 Jim Fenton said the following: > In checking a draft that references a fairly recent Proposed Standard, > RFC 4871, idnits is saying that RFC 4871 is unknown state, and a > potential downref. > > Is the database used by idnits out of date? In a sense, yes, for 2.04.14 specifically, because this version had trouble validating the downloaded updates of the database. This is fixed in 2.04.15 and 2.04.16 which is available now. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Sep 21 14:59:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYni5-0004Kc-Ux; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:58:41 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IYni4-0004KX-Qq for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:58:40 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYni4-0004Jk-Ee for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:58:40 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYni3-0006X8-Tn for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:58:40 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IYnhq-0006CW-Gh for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:58:26 +0000 Received: from 1cust37.tnt1.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net ([149.225.10.37]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:58:26 +0000 Received: from nobody by 1cust37.tnt1.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:58:26 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: "Frank Ellermann" Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:58:08 +0200 Organization: http://purl.net/xyzzy Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust37.tnt1.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Opensearch.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Update: > just for fun I've written a dummy opensearch.org description > for the first search form on [...] Most of the time the .../html/... "search" works as expected, e.g. when I ask for "4646" I get RFC 4646, or when I ask for "ltru" I get a page where I can pick one of the five LTRU I-Ds. But when I ask for "4646bis" I get RFC 4646 instead of the current 4646bis I-D. With "-4646bis" it works (=3D 4646bis I-D). Ditto "2822upd" (=3D> RFC 2822) vs. "-2822upd" (=3D> 2822upd I-D). Is that as it should be ? Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Sep 21 20:43:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYt5J-0003X5-2V; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:43:01 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IYt5I-0003Wz-IR for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:43:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYt5I-0003Oc-7s for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:43:00 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYt5B-0004Vq-VN for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:42:55 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35920 helo=chardonnay.local.levkowetz.com ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IYt52-0008MX-QI; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:42:44 +0200 Message-ID: <46F46509.2040403@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:42:49 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Re: Opensearch.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: nobody@xyzzy.claranet.de, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Frank On 2007-09-21 20:58 Frank Ellermann said the following: > Update: > >> just for fun I've written a dummy opensearch.org description >> for the first search form on > [...] > > Most of the time the .../html/... "search" works as expected, > e.g. when I ask for "4646" I get RFC 4646, or when I ask for > "ltru" I get a page where I can pick one of the five LTRU I-Ds. > > But when I ask for "4646bis" I get RFC 4646 instead of the > current 4646bis I-D. With "-4646bis" it works (= 4646bis I-D). > Ditto "2822upd" (=> RFC 2822) vs. "-2822upd" (=> 2822upd I-D). > Is that as it should be ? Well, it's as currently written. But when I wrote it that way, I didn't think of people entering things like 2822upd, although it makes perfect sense given the behaviour otherwise. I'm changing the code now so that only clean numbers are interpreted as RFCs, which will make 2822upd give you the draft. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Sep 21 21:51:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYu97-0008LN-Rt; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:51:01 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IYu96-0008KM-Vj for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:51:00 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYu96-0008Iz-Ir for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:51:00 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IYu96-0002Iz-1h for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:51:00 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IYu94-0005lN-Ec for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:50:58 +0000 Received: from 1cust37.tnt1.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net ([149.225.10.37]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:50:58 +0000 Received: from nobody by 1cust37.tnt1.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:50:58 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: "Frank Ellermann" Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:50:25 +0200 Organization: http://purl.net/xyzzy Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <46F46509.2040403@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust37.tnt1.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Opensearch.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik Levkowetz wrote: =20 [tools.ietf.org/html/{searchTerms}] > I'm changing the code now so that only clean numbers are > interpreted as RFCs, which will make 2822upd give you the draft. Thanks. BTW, feel free to grab and modify the opensearch description for this URL, it's quite nice with Firefox 2. You could offer it as AddSearchProvider onclick-javascript on the .../html/ page. Maybe you could also offer it as=20 in the header of all .../html/... pages, but as long as this MIME type isn't registered that's politically incorrect ;-) Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss