From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 05 17:49:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Idv32-00009a-Lu; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:49:28 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Idv31-00008s-TN for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:49:27 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Idv31-00008k-JN for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:49:27 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Idv30-0005vc-9Y for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:49:27 -0400 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB17119866A; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:49:25 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BDF19865D; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:49:25 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4706B166.4040805@piuha.net> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:49:26 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (X11/20070824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <7E4AE77F3AB06645A401B77E8068DFE40DEF3B@STNTEXCH12.cis.neustar.com> <84CA53DC-46B0-4ED7-9577-BD168BA47B96@neustar.biz> <4706AFCE.2010606@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <4706AFCE.2010606@piuha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Cc: IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: [Tools-discuss] new submission tool & tools site sync X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I've had a lot of good experiences with the submission tool from an AD perspective this week (see below). But I also noticed an issue. I depend on the tools site for much of my drafts handling, including nits, diffs, etc. But with the submission tool the pace of activity can be higher, e.g., drafts can be discussed, revised, submitted, and approved during a conference call. Given that the tools server updates the drafts daily (?) its no longer always the case that the latest drafts and diffs are available from the tools site. I've done some manual comparisons because of this, but I wonder if there'd be a way to make the updates more frequent, or perhaps driven by the actual updates. Any ideas? Jari > By the way, the tool seems to be making the positive changes > in our process that we have waiting for so long. This week there > has been several cases where we talked with the authors > and an hour or sometimes minutes after this there's a > new draft version up in the IETF site, allowing us to > clear a Discuss or otherwise move forward. Quoting > one of the authors that I worked with: "The new I-D > submission tool rocks". > > I'm sorry Keith that you run into problems. I hope they > will be resolved. > > Jari > > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Oct 06 15:27:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IeFIY-0008WI-8H; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:26:50 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IeFIW-0008RU-KD for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:26:48 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IeFIW-0008OE-AK for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:26:48 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IeFIS-0004pR-Pr for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:26:46 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58797 helo=chardonnay.local ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IeFIQ-00046j-2P; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:26:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4707E17A.7030705@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:26:50 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion References: <7E4AE77F3AB06645A401B77E8068DFE40DEF3B@STNTEXCH12.cis.neustar.com> <84CA53DC-46B0-4ED7-9577-BD168BA47B96@neustar.biz> <4706AFCE.2010606@piuha.net> <4706B166.4040805@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <4706B166.4040805@piuha.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: new submission tool & tools site sync X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Jari, On Oct 5, 2007, at 11:49 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: > I've had a lot of good experiences with the submission > tool from an AD perspective this week (see below). > > But I also noticed an issue. I depend on the tools site > for much of my drafts handling, including nits, diffs, etc. > But with the submission tool the pace of activity > can be higher, e.g., drafts can be discussed, revised, > submitted, and approved during a conference call. Right. > > Given that the tools server updates the drafts > daily (?) its no longer always the case that the latest > drafts and diffs are available from the tools site. It's actually hourly, but I'm rsyncing against the rsync draft repository, and I think that it still lags behind the http repository; probably with an hour too. Finally there's the re-generation of the WG index pages which can be less frequent and not immediately show the new drafts even if they are available. > I've > done some manual comparisons because of this, but > I wonder if there'd be a way to make the updates more > frequent, or perhaps driven by the actual updates. > > Any ideas? Getting the updates driven directly by the new draft availability seems like the right way to go. An XMPP publish/subscribe mechanism would be a good generic and scslable solution, but I don't think Michael is up to putting that in place on very short notice. I think I'll set up a http notification URL he can GET with the final path component being the new draft, as a very simple notification mechanism -- as a stopgap. Then I'll do all the fetching and generation needed when I get that. Henrik -- (sent from the iPhone :) > > > Jari > >> By the way, the tool seems to be making the positive changes >> in our process that we have waiting for so long. This week there >> has been several cases where we talked with the authors >> and an hour or sometimes minutes after this there's a >> new draft version up in the IETF site, allowing us to >> clear a Discuss or otherwise move forward. Quoting >> one of the authors that I worked with: "The new I-D >> submission tool rocks". >> >> I'm sorry Keith that you run into problems. I hope they >> will be resolved. >> >> Jari >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 12 09:12:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgKJl-0005lo-VB; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:12:41 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IgKJk-0005iN-P9 for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:12:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgKJk-0005g7-D5; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:12:40 -0400 Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk ([2001:8b0:0:81::51bb:5134]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgKJd-0003P4-Ky; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:12:40 -0400 Received: from 247.254.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.254.247]) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IgKJd-00036L-5F; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:12:33 +0100 Message-ID: <470F734B.4090302@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:14:51 +0100 From: Elwyn Davies User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion , IETF Secretariat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.91.2/4533/Fri Oct 12 11:59:29 2007, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Spam-Score: -92.3 (---------------------------------------------------) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Cc: Subject: [Tools-discuss] I-D Submission tool and IRTF/IAB drafts X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi. I used the new I-D submission web interface to submit two IRTF drafts yesterday. draft-irtf-routing-history-06 draft-irtf-routing-reqs-08 Generally the interface worked as expected and looks like a good thing! However I wanted to check if/how the tool deals with IRTF and IAB drafts... The drafts were classified as Individual Submissions although they were draft-irtf... Is this intentional? Does the tool send notifications to research group chairs (or the IRSG if you can't identify the RG involved)? Will there be the same sort of requirement to authorize draft-irtf-foo-bar-00 drafts as for wgs? I haven't had occasion to submit an IAB draft this way yet, but... How will these be classified? Will the tool notify the IAB? Will it ask for authorization for -00 drafts? Regards, Elwyn _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Oct 13 05:07:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgcxW-00046r-K4; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:06:58 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IgK4y-0006WR-Cq for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:57:24 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgK4y-0006Uu-2r for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:57:24 -0400 Received: from mail5.primus.ca ([216.254.141.172] helo=mail-07.primus.ca) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgK4u-0003Fm-Q5 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:57:20 -0400 Received: from [216.13.42.68] (helo=[10.10.80.124]) by mail-07.primus.ca with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IgK4t-0008RQ-1h for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:57:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6332B17E-682A-4D20-833E-F4A53C11AFE4@magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Philip Matthews Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:57:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Authenticated: philip_matthews@magma.ca - ([10.10.80.124]) [216.13.42.68] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:06:56 -0400 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Document fetch function X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org The document fetch function in the side bar on many tools pages seems to work only if the word "rfc" is typed in lower case, and there is no space between "rfc" and the RFC number. It would be nice if the function was a bit more accepting of alternative inputs. - Philip _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Oct 13 05:07:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgcxW-00045m-DT; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:06:58 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IfhHM-0005ka-3Z for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:31:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfhHL-0005SX-Ju for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:31:35 -0400 Received: from mail5.primus.ca ([216.254.141.172] helo=mail-09.primus.ca) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfhHA-0005yy-7a for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:31:33 -0400 Received: from [216.13.42.68] (helo=[10.10.80.124]) by mail-09.primus.ca with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IfhGp-0000Aj-2y for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:31:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <597FC3FC-89FF-4287-9B86-6D46DEEF9AF2@magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Philip Matthews Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:31:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple MFrom tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Oct 13 05:07:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgcxW-00046r-K4; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:06:58 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IgK4y-0006WR-Cq for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:57:24 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgK4y-0006Uu-2r for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:57:24 -0400 Received: from mail5.primus.ca ([216.254.141.172] helo=mail-07.primus.ca) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgK4u-0003Fm-Q5 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:57:20 -0400 Received: from [216.13.42.68] (helo=[10.10.80.124]) by mail-07.primus.ca with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IgK4t-0008RQ-1h for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:57:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6332B17E-682A-4D20-833E-F4A53C11AFE4@magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Philip Matthews Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:57:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Authenticated: philip_matthews@magma.ca - ([10.10.80.124]) [216.13.42.68] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:06:56 -0400 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Document fetch function X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org The document fetch function in the side bar on many tools pages seems to work only if the word "rfc" is typed in lower case, and there is no space between "rfc" and the RFC number. It would be nice if the function was a bit more accepting of alternative inputs. - Philip _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Oct 13 05:07:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgcxW-00045m-DT; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:06:58 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IfhHM-0005ka-3Z for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:31:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfhHL-0005SX-Ju for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:31:35 -0400 Received: from mail5.primus.ca ([216.254.141.172] helo=mail-09.primus.ca) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfhHA-0005yy-7a for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:31:33 -0400 Received: from [216.13.42.68] (helo=[10.10.80.124]) by mail-09.primus.ca with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IfhGp-0000Aj-2y for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:31:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <597FC3FC-89FF-4287-9B86-6D46DEEF9AF2@magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Philip Matthews Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:31:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Authenticated: philip_matthews@magma.ca - ([10.10.80.124]) [216.13.42.68] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:06:56 -0400 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Page number links in HTML-ized documents don't always work X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I have noticed that the page number links in HTML-ized documents on the tools website don't always work, at least using Safari 2.0.4. It seems to be a bit of a hit-or-miss affair: they work fine for some documents, but always jump to the top of the document for others. (I am running Safari on a Mac, and this is the production version, not the new Beta version.) For example, it works on: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matthews-p2psip-nats-and- overlays-01 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-behave-rfc3489bis-09 http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4787 but they always jump to the top of the document for: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-p2psip-concepts-00 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryan-p2psip-requirements-00 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matthews-p2psip-hip-hop-00 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-behave-turn-04 Just wondering if anyone else has noticed this? By contrast, section number links always seem to work. - Philip _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss ail (2.752.2) X-Authenticated: philip_matthews@magma.ca - ([10.10.80.124]) [216.13.42.68] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:06:56 -0400 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Page number links in HTML-ized documents don't always work X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I have noticed that the page number links in HTML-ized documents on the tools website don't always work, at least using Safari 2.0.4. It seems to be a bit of a hit-or-miss affair: they work fine for some documents, but always jump to the top of the document for others. (I am running Safari on a Mac, and this is the production version, not the new Beta version.) For example, it works on: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matthews-p2psip-nats-and- overlays-01 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-behave-rfc3489bis-09 http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4787 but they always jump to the top of the document for: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-p2psip-concepts-00 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryan-p2psip-requirements-00 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matthews-p2psip-hip-hop-00 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-behave-turn-04 Just wondering if anyone else has noticed this? By contrast, section number links always seem to work. - Philip _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Oct 13 11:25:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgirG-0005yc-RO; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:24:54 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IgirF-0005xu-T6 for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:24:53 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgirF-0005wj-IW; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:24:53 -0400 Received: from mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgirF-0005Ux-B0; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:24:53 -0400 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E3E148071; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.13.1/8.12.10/Submit) id l9DFOfbS007295; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:24:41 -0400 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200710131524.l9DFOfbS007295@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Elwyn Davies Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] I-D Submission tool and IRTF/IAB drafts Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:24:41 -0400 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Cc: IETF Secretariat , Tools Team Discussion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org The I-D submission tool requirements document (RFC 4228) says that initial submission of IRTF, IAB, etc. drafts require approval, but isn't very specific about from whom. The tool that's been deployed implements more or less the 'Trial Stage' requirements from RFC 4228; if we come up with the right requirements for IRTF and IAB drafts they could feed into future development plans. Bill _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Oct 13 13:06:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgkRs-0001dQ-3M; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:06:48 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IgkRq-0001Zd-FU for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:06:46 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgkRq-0001Ws-3g for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:06:46 -0400 Received: from smtp.nokia.com ([131.228.20.171] helo=mgw-ext12.nokia.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgkRj-0003Fw-OH for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:06:46 -0400 Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext12.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l9DH6bRj010697 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:06:38 +0300 Received: from esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.34]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:06:36 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:06:37 +0300 Received: from mgw-int02.ntc.nokia.com ([172.21.143.97]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:06:36 +0300 Received: from [192.168.0.14] (daec-linuxvpn058192.americas.nokia.com [10.241.58.192]) by mgw-int02.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l9DH6XmB009560 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:06:35 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lars Eggert Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:06:30 -0700 To: Tools Team Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2007 17:06:36.0358 (UTC) FILETIME=[69B51660:01C80DBB] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Vancouver IETF Code Sprint X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On 2007-10-8, at 12:46, ext IETF Chair wrote: > Please see http://www3.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/ > VancouverSprint > for more details about the upcoming Code Sprint. FYI, I added a bunch of possible mini-projects to the brainstorming wiki at http://www3.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/ VancouverSprintBrainstorm. Lars _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Oct 13 13:11:31 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgkW9-0005Gi-Hs; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:11:13 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IgkW8-0005Ax-9E for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:11:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgkW7-0005AQ-VC for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:11:11 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgkW6-0003P6-KP for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:11:11 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40991 helo=chardonnay.local ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IgkW1-0006O4-6m; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:11:05 +0200 Message-ID: <4710FC34.60007@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:11:16 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Matthews Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Page number links in HTML-ized documents don't always work References: <597FC3FC-89FF-4287-9B86-6D46DEEF9AF2@magma.ca> In-Reply-To: <597FC3FC-89FF-4287-9B86-6D46DEEF9AF2@magma.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: philip_matthews@magma.ca, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Philip, On 2007-10-10 21:31 Philip Matthews said the following: > I have noticed that the page number links in HTML-ized documents on > the tools website don't always work, at least using Safari 2.0.4. It > seems to be a bit of a hit-or-miss affair: they work fine for some > documents, but always jump to the top of the document for others. (I > am running Safari on a Mac, and this is the production version, not > the new Beta version.) > > For example, it works on: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matthews-p2psip-nats-and- > overlays-01 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-behave-rfc3489bis-09 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4787 > > but they always jump to the top of the document for: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-p2psip-concepts-00 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryan-p2psip-requirements-00 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matthews-p2psip-hip-hop-00 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-behave-turn-04 > > Just wondering if anyone else has noticed this? I'm aware of it, but haven't been able to work out why it happens. If anybody has a clue regarding the why, I should be able to update the htmlization script to work around this Safari quirk. (Firefox doesn't exhibit this behaviour as far as I'm aware). Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Oct 13 13:11:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgkWa-0006JV-EO; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:11:40 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IgkWY-0006EN-M3 for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:11:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgkWY-0006Cf-C2 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:11:38 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgkWX-0003Q1-6E for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:11:38 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41046 helo=chardonnay.local ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IgkWW-0006Oa-Jq; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:11:36 +0200 Message-ID: <4710FC54.4010809@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:11:48 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Matthews Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Document fetch function References: <6332B17E-682A-4D20-833E-F4A53C11AFE4@magma.ca> In-Reply-To: <6332B17E-682A-4D20-833E-F4A53C11AFE4@magma.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: philip_matthews@magma.ca, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On 2007-10-12 14:57 Philip Matthews said the following: > The document fetch function in the side bar on many tools pages seems > to work only if the word "rfc" is typed in lower case, and there is > no space between "rfc" and the RFC number. It would be nice if the > function was a bit more accepting of alternative inputs. Right. I'll have a look at this. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Oct 13 13:54:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IglB2-00050M-Fx; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:53:28 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IglB1-00050C-Gm for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:53:27 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IglB1-000503-7H for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:53:27 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IglAz-0004ta-Su for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:53:27 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34193 helo=chardonnay.local ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IglAy-0006l5-Ii; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:53:24 +0200 Message-ID: <47110620.1020600@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:53:36 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Matthews Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Document fetch function References: <6332B17E-682A-4D20-833E-F4A53C11AFE4@magma.ca> <4710FC54.4010809@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4710FC54.4010809@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: philip_matthews@magma.ca, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On 2007-10-13 19:11 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: > > On 2007-10-12 14:57 Philip Matthews said the following: >> The document fetch function in the side bar on many tools pages seems >> to work only if the word "rfc" is typed in lower case, and there is >> no space between "rfc" and the RFC number. It would be nice if the >> function was a bit more accepting of alternative inputs. > > Right. I'll have a look at this. Both lower- and upper-case "RFC" should now be accepted, and both the forms "rfc 3344" and rfc3344" should work. 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( [222.153.8.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f21sm4055649rvb.2007.10.13.11.51.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47111389.9010803@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:50:49 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Fenner Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] I-D Submission tool and IRTF/IAB drafts References: <200710131524.l9DFOfbS007295@bright.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <200710131524.l9DFOfbS007295@bright.research.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: IETF Secretariat , Elwyn Davies , Tools Team Discussion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On 2007-10-14 04:24, Bill Fenner wrote: > The I-D submission tool requirements document (RFC 4228) > says that initial submission of IRTF, IAB, etc. drafts require > approval, but isn't very specific about from whom. > > The tool that's been deployed implements more or less the > 'Trial Stage' requirements from RFC 4228; if we come up with > the right requirements for IRTF and IAB drafts they could feed > into future development plans. I thought they were to be treated as pseudo-WGs and use the same approval logic as real WGs. Brian _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 15 02:12:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IhJBO-0002Oj-PB; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 02:12:06 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IhJBM-0002Jz-Cg for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 02:12:05 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IhJBL-0002H8-1f for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 02:12:03 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IhJBK-0001Ar-N2 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 02:12:02 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IhJB8-0000J5-T7 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:11:50 +0000 Received: from mail.st-michaelis.de ([217.86.170.58]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:11:50 +0000 Received: from nobody by mail.st-michaelis.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 06:11:50 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: "Frank Ellermann" Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:09:13 +0200 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <597FC3FC-89FF-4287-9B86-6D46DEEF9AF2@magma.ca> <4710FC34.60007@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.st-michaelis.de X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Page number links in HTML-ized documents don'talways work X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik Levkowetz wrote: =20 > I'm aware of it, but haven't been able to work out why it happens. > If anybody has a clue regarding the why, I should be able to update > the htmlization script to work around this Safari quirk. Wild guess: The working examples have no "media screen class break", the bad examples have "media screen class break display none". Maybe Safari decides that "display none" anchors shouldn't work. Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 16 05:30:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ihikh-0004Nj-8c; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 05:30:15 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ihikf-0004NF-UY for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 05:30:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ihike-0004KT-Qj for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 05:30:12 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IhikU-0003Tn-Fr for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 05:30:08 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id B997520823; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:29:51 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-af67dbb0000007e1-48-4714848f888b Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.121]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id A8778520001; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:29:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.170]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:29:51 +0200 Received: from [147.214.22.209] ([147.214.22.209]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:29:51 +0200 Message-ID: <4714848F.7030405@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:29:51 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Matthews Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Page number links in HTML-ized documents don't always work References: <597FC3FC-89FF-4287-9B86-6D46DEEF9AF2@magma.ca> <4710FC34.60007@levkowetz.com> <4AE03359-698F-41DA-8A2A-5495C8EC3BDA@magma.ca> In-Reply-To: <4AE03359-698F-41DA-8A2A-5495C8EC3BDA@magma.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2007 09:29:51.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A284090:01C80FD7] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Philip, On 2007-10-16 01:26 Philip Matthews said the following: > Could it be a Safari bug? I consider it as such, but that doesn't mean I can't try to work around it if I understand the problem sufficiently well... Henrik > - Philip > > > On 13-Oct-07, at 13:11 , Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> Hi Philip, >> >> On 2007-10-10 21:31 Philip Matthews said the following: >>> I have noticed that the page number links in HTML-ized documents on >>> the tools website don't always work, at least using Safari 2.0.4. It >>> seems to be a bit of a hit-or-miss affair: they work fine for some >>> documents, but always jump to the top of the document for others. (I >>> am running Safari on a Mac, and this is the production version, not >>> the new Beta version.) >>> >>> For example, it works on: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matthews-p2psip-nats-and- >>> overlays-01 >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-behave-rfc3489bis-09 >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4787 >>> >>> but they always jump to the top of the document for: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-p2psip-concepts-00 >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryan-p2psip-requirements-00 >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matthews-p2psip-hip-hop-00 >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-behave-turn-04 >>> >>> Just wondering if anyone else has noticed this? >> I'm aware of it, but haven't been able to work out why it happens. >> If anybody has a clue regarding the why, I should be able to update >> the htmlization script to work around this Safari quirk. (Firefox >> doesn't exhibit this behaviour as far as I'm aware). >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Henrik >> > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 17 04:40:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii4Ry-0001eD-Aa; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:40:22 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii4Ru-0001a4-VU for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:40:19 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii4Rh-00019U-5h for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:40:05 -0400 Received: from mxs1.siemens.at ([194.138.12.131]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii4Rg-0003Ra-Fi for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:40:05 -0400 Received: from vies1kbx.sie.siemens.at ([158.226.129.82]) by mxs1.siemens.at with ESMTP id l9H8e2kS015643 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:40:03 +0200 Received: from nets139a.ww300.siemens.net ([158.226.129.98]) by vies1kbx.sie.siemens.at (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.1) with ESMTP id l9H8e2nS024420 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:40:02 +0200 Received: from prga004a.ww300.siemens.net ([163.242.71.105]) by nets139a.ww300.siemens.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:40:02 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:40:02 +0200 Message-ID: <3E4278088AD82C48B4663DDFE762CEF303B9BC92@prga004a.ww300.siemens.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Request for comments: New BNF syntax verification tool Thread-Index: AcgQBIWegAsIg9ogTeGNPyG4azLi3gACkHcQ From: "Gotthard, Petr" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2007 08:40:02.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F23DC10:01C81099] X-purgate: clean X-purgate: This mail is considered clean X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-Ad: Checked for Spam by eleven - eXpurgate www.eXpurgate.net X-purgate-ID: 149917::071017104003-0B32EBB0-7EB197F2/0-0/0-15 X-purgate-size: 3139/0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Request for comments: New BNF syntax verification tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I'd like to show off a new verification tool that is being implemented = as a student work at Masaryk University in Brno. Our goal was to create = a generic syntax verification utility for any syntax definition = described in any Backus-Naur Form (BNF) dialect. It is based on a = dynamic parser that is configured at run-time (without recompilation) by = one or more BNF syntax specifications copy-pasted from RFC's. The parser = then verifies that input messages conform to this specification. An alpha version of this tool is already available (LGPL) via = http://sourceforge.net/projects/bnfparser2. "Alpha" means the tool = "still awaits full testing of all its functionality and is not feature = complete". Once it's mature enough, we'd like to offer this tool to be = listed in the IETF Tool Inventory http://tools.ietf.org. We intend to use this tool for syntax verification of SIP (Session = Initiation Protocol) and HTTP messages. However, it can be used for = syntax verification of any text-based protocol, including syntax = verification of BNF specifcations. I'm very interested to hear from you if you have any comments or = suggestions concerning this tool. Best regards, Petr -----Original Message----- From: sip-bounces@lindir.ics.muni.cz = [mailto:sip-bounces@lindir.ics.muni.cz] On Behalf Of Gotthard, Petr Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:55 PM To: sip@lindir.ics.muni.cz; bnfparser2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [SIP] bnfparser2-0.1.0 released Hello, on behalf of all the contributors (see AUTHORS), I'm proudly announcing = a first alpha release of bnfparser2, the generic BNF-adaptable parser, a = joint project of http://iti.fi.muni.cz and http://www.anfdata.cz. Learn more on http://bnfparser2.sourceforge.net. BNF Parser=B2 0.1.0 can be downloaded from: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3D192851&package_id= =3D226956&release_id=3D546315 What works: - the parser is able to read syntax specification in any (defined) = variant of BNF - the parser can parse input words - if an syntax error is detected, the error position is returned - otherwise, the parser returns a "semantic string" - can be used under both Linux/BSD and Microsoft Windows It's a first alpha version, so please be tolerant! Build instruction for = Linux/BSD are described in README. The build for Windows can be = currently done only by advanced users who need no instructions. TODO: - performance optimizations (current performance is not satisfying) - better handling of syntactic strings - better warnings (non-reachable nonterminals, possible errors in BNF = specification, localication of undefined non-terminals) - error recovery supporting ambiguous grammars Best regards, Petr Gotthard Research Engineer =20 Multimedia & Mobile Applications (TMM MMA) ANF DATA spol. s r.o. Siemens IT Solutions and Services=20 PSE Czech Republic =20 Office: M-Palac, Herspicka 5, 639 00 Brno, Czech Republic =20 Phone: +420 5 4310 6562 Fax: +420 5 4310 6540 mailto:petr.gotthard@siemens.com http://www.anfdata.cz _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 17 05:38:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii5Ln-00080M-9q; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:38:03 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii5Ll-0007zO-TQ for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:38:01 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii5Lk-0007zG-NJ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:38:00 -0400 Received: from mx2.nic.fr ([192.134.4.11]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii5Lk-000519-Cn for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:38:00 -0400 Received: from mx2.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id DC5C71C00E6; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:37:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B271C00DC; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:37:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99C458ECC6; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:37:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:37:59 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: "Gotthard, Petr" Message-ID: <20071017093759.GA8339@nic.fr> References: <3E4278088AD82C48B4663DDFE762CEF303B9BC92@prga004a.ww300.siemens.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E4278088AD82C48B4663DDFE762CEF303B9BC92@prga004a.ww300.siemens.net> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Request for comments: New BNF syntax verification tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:40:02AM +0200, Gotthard, Petr wrote a message of 65 lines which said: > An alpha version of this tool is already available (LGPL) via > http://sourceforge.net/projects/bnfparser2. It seems a very good idea but, at this time, the tool is a bit difficult to install. I did not find binary packages for SimpleOpt and the Makefile shipped with the sources do not even have a target "install" so I really wonder where to put these files (I have no C++ experience). _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 17 06:47:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii6QZ-0008Jw-Nk; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:47:03 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii6QY-0008EK-CC for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:47:02 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii6QX-0008B6-2q for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:47:01 -0400 Received: from mxs2.siemens.at ([194.138.12.133]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii6QQ-0006hX-Nh for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:47:01 -0400 Received: from vies1k7x.sie.siemens.at ([158.226.129.83]) by mxs2.siemens.at with ESMTP id l9HAke6L010546; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:46:40 +0200 Received: from nets139a.ww300.siemens.net ([158.226.129.98]) by vies1k7x.sie.siemens.at (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.1) with ESMTP id l9HAkOp7029944; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:46:38 +0200 Received: from prga004a.ww300.siemens.net ([163.242.71.105]) by nets139a.ww300.siemens.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:46:34 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:46:35 +0200 Message-ID: <3E4278088AD82C48B4663DDFE762CEF303B9BE01@prga004a.ww300.siemens.net> In-Reply-To: <20071017093759.GA8339@nic.fr> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Request for comments: New BNF syntax verification tool Thread-Index: AcgQoXsgSB32GNt/Rf+eF2uwqv45kwACSwpA References: <3E4278088AD82C48B4663DDFE762CEF303B9BC92@prga004a.ww300.siemens.net> <20071017093759.GA8339@nic.fr> From: "Gotthard, Petr" To: "Stephane Bortzmeyer" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2007 10:46:34.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC95CE60:01C810AA] X-purgate: clean X-purgate: This mail is considered clean X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-Ad: Checked for Spam by eleven - eXpurgate www.eXpurgate.net X-purgate-ID: 149917::071017124640-46EB7BB0-1D32B5C5/0-0/0-15 X-purgate-size: 863/999999 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] RE: Request for comments: New BNF syntax verification tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org SimpleOpt needs no binaries; copy SimpleOpt.h to /usr/include, that's enough -----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@nic.fr]=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:38 AM To: Gotthard, Petr Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: Request for comments: New BNF syntax verification tool On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:40:02AM +0200, Gotthard, Petr wrote=20 a message of 65 lines which said: > An alpha version of this tool is already available (LGPL) via > http://sourceforge.net/projects/bnfparser2. It seems a very good idea but, at this time, the tool is a bit difficult to install. I did not find binary packages for SimpleOpt and the Makefile shipped with the sources do not even have a target "install" so I really wonder where to put these files (I have no C++ experience). _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 17 14:04:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IiDFm-00007e-Sb; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:04:22 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IiDFl-000073-BD for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:04:21 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IiDFk-00006u-G9 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:04:20 -0400 Received: from [2001:698:9:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb] (helo=merlot.tools.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IiDFj-0005KZ-OJ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:04:20 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59075 helo=chardonnay.local ident=henrik) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IiDFj-0001VN-5C; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:04:19 +0200 Message-ID: <47164EAF.4080907@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:04:31 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gotthard, Petr" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Request for comments: New BNF syntax verification tool References: <3E4278088AD82C48B4663DDFE762CEF303B9BC92@prga004a.ww300.siemens.net> In-Reply-To: <3E4278088AD82C48B4663DDFE762CEF303B9BC92@prga004a.ww300.siemens.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: petr.gotthard@siemens.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Petr, On 2007-10-17 10:40 Gotthard, Petr said the following: > Hi, I'd like to show off a new verification tool that is being > implemented as a student work at Masaryk University in Brno. Our goal > was to create a generic syntax verification utility for any syntax > definition described in any Backus-Naur Form (BNF) dialect. It is > based on a dynamic parser that is configured at run-time (without > recompilation) by one or more BNF syntax specifications copy-pasted > from RFC's. The parser then verifies that input messages conform to > this specification. > > An alpha version of this tool is already available (LGPL) via > http://sourceforge.net/projects/bnfparser2. "Alpha" means the tool > "still awaits full testing of all its functionality and is not > feature complete". Once it's mature enough, we'd like to offer this > tool to be listed in the IETF Tool Inventory http://tools.ietf.org. Sounds good to me. Let me know when you feel it's ready for listing, and I'll add it. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 26 18:26:06 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IlXcv-0004Zs-Pv; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:26:01 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IlXcu-0004Zd-4F for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:26:00 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IlXct-0004ZV-PQ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:25:59 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IlXct-0001kd-Em for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:25:59 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IlXcp-0008N4-HK for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:25:55 +0000 Received: from 1cust187.tnt3.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net ([149.225.14.187]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:25:55 +0000 Received: from nobody by 1cust187.tnt3.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:25:55 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: "Frank Ellermann" Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 00:25:46 +0200 Organization: http://purl.net/xyzzy Lines: 5 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust187.tnt3.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1914 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Subject: [Tools-discuss] Redirection loop X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, ends up in a dead loop near . Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Oct 28 13:43:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImCAM-0000by-Aa; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:43:14 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ImCAI-0000at-Rn for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:43:10 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImCAI-0000Xx-Hn for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:43:10 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImCA8-0003CS-A8 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:43:06 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ImC9j-0002me-R6 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:42:36 +0000 Received: from 1cust228.tnt2.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net ([149.225.12.228]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:42:35 +0000 Received: from nobody by 1cust228.tnt2.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:42:35 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: "Frank Ellermann" Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:42:21 +0100 Organization: http://purl.net/xyzzy Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust228.tnt2.hbg2.deu.da.uu.net X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1914 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Protocol Action: 'The Archived-At Message Header Field' to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Paul Hoffman wrote: > It would be grand if the ietf-general and ietf-announce mailing lists=20 > could start supporting this new standard as soon as possible. (Heck,=20 > it would be great if all lists housed at the IETF did!) >From my POV all lists (excl. RFCI and some Google groups) I care about have an Archived-At header field inserted by news://news.gmane.org, e.g. your article... ...was archived at: That roughly corresponds to Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.ietf.tools:742 or (untested nntp URL) . As noted in the Archived-At RFC and the various news-nntp-uri I-Ds URLs based on Message-IDs are better. For your article here it would be or . In theory mailing lists could predict Message-Id URIs and insert them in Archived-At header fields. It won't work as expected if GMaNe does not accept an article because it's spam, or if the article never makes it from the list to GMaNe for other reasons. And if an article is posted on more than one list carried by GMaNe the "guessed" URL might point to a clone of the original article (different lists doing weird things with the body etc., and sometimes GMaNe is forced to modify the Message-Id of mutilated X-posts). Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 29 09:27:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImUe1-0004Qk-V6; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:27:05 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ImUe1-0004Qf-FM for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:27:05 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImUe1-0004QV-5A for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:27:05 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImUe0-0000Gw-QJ for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:27:05 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 351652014C; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:26:54 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-b0835bb0000007e1-ef-4725df9e62ae Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.124]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 25D2C21001; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:26:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.172]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:18:17 +0100 Received: from [147.214.22.209] ([147.214.22.209]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:18:14 +0100 Message-ID: <4725CCD5.6020704@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:06:45 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Redirection loop References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2007 12:18:14.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7971AA0:01C81A25] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Frank, On 2007-10-27 00:25 Frank Ellermann said the following: > Hi, ends up in a dead loop > near . Ah. Should be fixed now. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 30 10:42:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImsIP-0004d0-1j; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:42:21 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ImsIM-0004cj-Vj for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:42:18 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImsIM-0004cb-Ll for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:42:18 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImsIM-0005iV-9g for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:42:18 -0400 Received: from [10.20.30.108] (dsl-63-249-108-169.cruzio.com [63.249.108.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l9UEgG3C048977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:42:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:42:13 -0700 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Proposal for a new tool: I-D expiration pre-reminder X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi again. You already have all the data for this one. It would be grand if a tool told me a week before my draft was going to expire that, well, it was going to expire. You could probably just pore through the drafts database each night looking for "expiration_date == today + 7" and send mail to all the authors. The message should say something like "we know you might want to let this draft expire, and we're not encouraging you to renew it unless you want, but in case you wanted to keep it alive, here's a chance before it expires". --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 31 07:17:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1InBZG-00064S-UE; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:17:02 -0400 Received: from tools-discuss by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1InBZG-00063w-09 for tools-discuss-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:17:02 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1InBZA-0005ub-Ox for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:16:56 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1InBZ6-0007Vd-0o for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:16:52 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1InBYz-0006oS-Ar for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:16:45 +0000 Received: from mail.st-michaelis.de ([217.86.170.58]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:16:45 +0000 Received: from nobody by mail.st-michaelis.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:16:45 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: "Frank Ellermann" Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:13:45 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.st-michaelis.de X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Subject: [Tools-discuss] I-D submission meta data (was: Protocol Action: 'The Archived-At MessageHeader Field' to Proposed Standard) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [...] > As noted in the Archived-At RFC and the various news-nntp-uri I-Ds > URLs based on Message-IDs are better. I've updated this I-D, and posted it with the I-D submission tool. Two questions about this tool: 1: What's the point of uploading the XML source ? The announce mail doesn't mention it. 2: The "abstract" in the announce mail contains an "editorial note" below the real "abstract", is that a feature or a bug ? Frank _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss