From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 5 22:13:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435AB3A69AA; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:13:42 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8FD3A69C3 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:13:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.062 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.062 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.572, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PbOSN57bI5dt for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from scmailgw2.scop.aoyama.ac.jp (scmailgw2.scop.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.251.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C866F3A69AA for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from scmse3.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.23]) by scmailgw2.scop.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id n066DQjj008872 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:13:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse3.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 7ac2_20f888bc_dbb9_11dd_b36a_001d0969ab06; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:13:25 +0900 Received: from Tanzawa.it.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.210.1]:47563) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:05:22 +0900 Message-Id: <6.0.0.20.2.20090106144618.07409b90@localhost> X-Sender: duerst@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6J Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:48:37 +0900 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Martin Duerst Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: Randy Presuhn Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.11.00 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hello Henrik, others, Many thanks for all your great tools. I tried to check an I-D with Idnits for a shepherding document. Unfortunately, the tool doesn't allow me to point to an existing Internet-Draft; I have to download it and the upload it again to the tool. Would it be possible for you to allow pointing to drafts with a simple draft-....-0x.txt or with an URI? Thanks, Martin. #-#-# Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University #-#-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 6 01:08:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146D23A6A22; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:08:14 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AE33A6A22 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:08:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T5X2jwfJp+TE for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B293A686D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 01:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF0719871D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:07:57 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C6F19865D for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:07:57 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <49631F3B.90902@piuha.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:07:07 +0100 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS discussion X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: [Tools-discuss] wiki.tools.ietf.org seems to be down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 6 06:34:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8438828C10F; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:34:18 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5449B28C106 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:34:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.879 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.879 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.280, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LXyeVdQtUbzZ for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp206.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp206.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.206]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE823A6917 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 23BEA1ED024; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay10.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 0E9F91ED096; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:34:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: From: Ray Pelletier To: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: <49631F3B.90902@piuha.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:34:01 -0500 References: <49631F3B.90902@piuha.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] wiki.tools.ietf.org seems to be down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Henrik is on vacation but is expected back on or before 12 Jan. Ray On Jan 6, 2009, at 4:07 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 6 12:54:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8D53A69C2; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:54:53 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEB63A692F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:54:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.484 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.484 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.115, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PwGZaQZSARKe for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:54:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.235]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B893A69C2 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:54:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so7317469rvf.49 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:54:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JETXRQylMxLvDP23d3j6XD78voVYqVNJ1/S3K0ih//I=; b=LPFKTnNoVP2xF1HwEw7hRmPV90/lwVrJ2WSvXhY3zHy9+3RMSdhGxVo5r5Zar4wFVG 2NrU8EsG0MlSJp7F0j1ehkK7LDMXRtyF54W8Zf/CK0yrNS3GFT25uhjuaWVKSvj45Yum ncMGwHQV+3iSnFbl47knuggL2D+NaQpHSfsIM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=EFF7OHUWSP/OC9/4f7rwVuqCoO07N/94QsKg6eySd+8O19BEc42E5+sP2KCfXK4kzY FOe2a6jy9y++FocIPlQ7SuDQ/Ec7nizCalEHvfdUQC9pimzyDrtQL9hucRG5dBi3FA0f nP5Pj3A5YnbX6oTluQq4KZYkX1BxvyYZhc7+8= Received: by 10.141.176.4 with SMTP id d4mr11086799rvp.285.1231275276725; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?130.216.38.124? (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b8sm147900rvf.9.2009.01.06.12.54.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:54:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4963C50A.9030202@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:54:34 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Pelletier References: <49631F3B.90902@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: Cc: Jari Arkko , IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] wiki.tools.ietf.org seems to be down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org The same problem is affecting the primary server for xml.resource.org, but the secondary is up (IPv4 only). Brian On 2009-01-07 03:34, Ray Pelletier wrote: > Henrik is on vacation but is expected back on or before 12 Jan. > > Ray > > > On Jan 6, 2009, at 4:07 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 7 03:01:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12043A687E; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:01:02 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126283A687E for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:01:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.112 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.112 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.113, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tI7elZouIWwa for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDF83A6806 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 03:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n07AxR2s024304; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:00:44 -0600 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:00:22 +0200 Received: from vaebe104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.59]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:00:21 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:00:18 +0200 Message-ID: <1696498986EFEC4D9153717DA325CB7202D740AC@vaebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.20.2.20090106144618.07409b90@localhost> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.11.00 feedback Thread-Index: AclvxefqSQ2KTNlBSjWWTedkrYpq1wA8LE2A References: <6.0.0.20.2.20090106144618.07409b90@localhost> From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2009 11:00:21.0814 (UTC) FILETIME=[2292C560:01C970B7] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.11.00 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Martin, You can give idnits an URI like this: http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-tls-extractor-03.txt (But yes, it would be useful to have a text box where you can enter the URI, too) Best regards, Pasi > -----Original Message----- > From: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Martin Duerst > Sent: 06 January, 2009 07:49 > To: tools-discuss@ietf.org > Cc: Randy Presuhn > Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.11.00 feedback > > Hello Henrik, others, > > Many thanks for all your great tools. > > I tried to check an I-D with Idnits for a shepherding document. > Unfortunately, the tool doesn't allow me to point to an existing > Internet-Draft; I have to download it and the upload it again > to the tool. Would it be possible for you to allow pointing > to drafts with a simple draft-....-0x.txt or with an URI? > > Thanks, Martin. > > > > #-#-# Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University > #-#-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp > mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 7 08:19:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADEE3A695A; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:19:42 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63573A6989 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:19:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mlp9x6nkxCTp for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.180]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FA93A6951 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 54B3338178; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:19:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2537B37E8D; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:19:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7836137E45; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:19:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45798 helo=chardonnay.local) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LKb7l-0003Ag-Lu; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:19:17 +0100 Message-ID: <4964D604.1020307@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:19:16 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com References: <6.0.0.20.2.20090106144618.07409b90@localhost> <1696498986EFEC4D9153717DA325CB7202D740AC@vaebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <1696498986EFEC4D9153717DA325CB7202D740AC@vaebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp, tools-discuss@ietf.org, randy_presuhn@mindspring.com, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: randy_presuhn@mindspring.com, duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.11.00 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Martin, On 2009-01-07 12:00 Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com said the following: > Hi Martin, > > You can give idnits an URI like this: > > http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-tls-extractor-03.txt Additionally, if you go to e.g. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tls-extractor , that page has a link to a dynamically generated idnits page for the draft. > (But yes, it would be useful to have a text box where > you can enter the URI, too) I'll see what I can do. Best, Henrik > Best regards, > Pasi > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Martin Duerst >> Sent: 06 January, 2009 07:49 >> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org >> Cc: Randy Presuhn >> Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.11.00 feedback >> >> Hello Henrik, others, >> >> Many thanks for all your great tools. >> >> I tried to check an I-D with Idnits for a shepherding document. >> Unfortunately, the tool doesn't allow me to point to an existing >> Internet-Draft; I have to download it and the upload it again >> to the tool. Would it be possible for you to allow pointing >> to drafts with a simple draft-....-0x.txt or with an URI? >> >> Thanks, Martin. >> >> >> >> #-#-# Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University >> #-#-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp >> mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 7 08:21:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8FC3A6A74; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:21:29 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448DA3A6A74 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:21:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.987 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.987 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.679, BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k3bMhVP4vDBS for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.185]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410113A6867 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 4FFAF37FD3; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:21:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A50137EE9; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:21:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60AA37E42; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:21:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57362 helo=chardonnay.local) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LKb9d-0005kb-Du; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:21:13 +0100 Message-ID: <4964D678.3040809@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:21:12 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49631F3B.90902@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: jari.arkko@piuha.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Jari Arkko , IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] wiki.tools.ietf.org seems to be down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1087318631==" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1087318631== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4F308B1183E30770A5AAAE00" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4F308B1183E30770A5AAAE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jari, All services have been moved over to a different server, and additionally= I've now physically accessed the wayward server and rebooted it. Hopeful= ly everything should now be back to normal operation. (If you notice any anomaly, let me know). Best, Henrik On 2009-01-06 15:34 Ray Pelletier said the following: > Henrik is on vacation but is expected back on or before 12 Jan. >=20 > Ray >=20 >=20 > On Jan 6, 2009, at 4:07 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: >=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 --------------enig4F308B1183E30770A5AAAE00 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAklk1nkACgkQeVhrtTJkXCMn4ACcDe/6C3zfrjE+Io7rLq4qSPYK X4YAoNoNXYb/3s3uo7SgzAKIIM3JNpxg =dorT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4F308B1183E30770A5AAAE00-- --===============1087318631== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --===============1087318631==-- From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 7 12:26:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE303A69DB; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:26:20 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B139C3A69DB for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:26:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.545 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.545 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zDbWGxc9MK0X for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:26:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11F73A687C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:26:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4B0198718; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:26:04 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577CF19865D; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:26:04 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <49650FA8.2070701@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:25:12 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <49631F3B.90902@piuha.net> <4964D678.3040809@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4964D678.3040809@levkowetz.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] wiki.tools.ietf.org seems to be down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org It all seems to work again, many thanks! Jari Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Jari, > > All services have been moved over to a different server, and additionally > I've now physically accessed the wayward server and rebooted it. Hopefully > everything should now be back to normal operation. (If you notice any > anomaly, let me know). > > > Best, > > Henrik > > > On 2009-01-06 15:34 Ray Pelletier said the following: > >> Henrik is on vacation but is expected back on or before 12 Jan. >> >> Ray >> >> >> On Jan 6, 2009, at 4:07 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jan 10 14:55:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B763A69ED; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:55:24 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BA83A695A for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:55:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.344 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.344 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.255, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0WKf3hLElE0S for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from montage2.altserver.com (montage2.altserver.com [72.34.52.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FB33A69ED for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from eurolab.net2.nerim.net ([213.41.175.161]:3485 helo=asus.jefsey.com) by montage2.altserver.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LLmjR-0007TG-7h; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:55:07 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:55:06 +0100 To: Joe Touch ,tools-discuss@ietf.org From: JFC Morfin In-Reply-To: <49482586.2030208@isi.edu> References: <49482586.2030208@isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Pass-two: yes X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage2.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Message-Id: <20090110225522.54FB33A69ED@core3.amsl.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] updated Word template available X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org At 23:02 16/12/2008, Joe Touch wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 >Hi, all, >I've updated the Word template with the new boilerplate. >It's linked in the usual place on the author tools page: >http://tools.ietf.org/inventory/author-tools.shtml >FYI. when I submit a draft shaped with the version 1.33 or 1.34pre tools in http://xml.resource.org/, the automated submission tool refuses it because it does include the Dec. 16 template and says to use version 1.34 xml converter. Thank you for your help. jfc _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 15 19:40:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C00B3A6804; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:40:27 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5843A6804; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:40:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.566 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.566 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3jSZJTmg-Lw2; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A733A67FC; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:40:25 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,274,1231113600"; d="scan'208";a="59794197" Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2009 03:40:10 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n0G3eADN022581; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:40:10 -0800 Received: from [192.168.4.177] (rcdn-fluffy-8711.cisco.com [10.99.9.18]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0G3e906004201; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 03:40:09 GMT Message-Id: <28A87AE9-5EF3-415D-8F2E-DF40610B8293@cisco.com> From: Cullen Jennings To: Tools Discuss , IESG IESG Impp: xmpp:cullenfluffyjennings@jabber.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:40:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=354; t=1232077210; x=1232941210; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fluffy@cisco.com; z=From:=20Cullen=20Jennings=20 |Subject:=20SPAM=20in=20IETF=20email=20archives |Sender:=20; bh=SVbZFaeZFG/+Uxo7XcxXSkr2kJKt3/OelQMinTNIbdQ=; b=HDfqQ9QKgI89EibLS+pXpoYJyh3FB00WWRC3c2pyYEhQJiQpXyXYsmDYH2 ZBgvFiSjnzZ2mjBF5W2lsY9BAoY1YpmkZBwvxTSYoRo85zdQpNNTZ8+HjeQN w+sgF5/CaUI2BsyIgYTJxhXI4lw6YLdaVABEZq6E9T+TsUIasfOgA=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=fluffy@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); Subject: [Tools-discuss] SPAM in IETF email archives X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org It seems to me that there is a lot more spam in the archives than their there used to be. More specifically, we seem to get spam in the archives that was not sent to the lists. I have not gone and systematically looked at this so I may be totally wrong but are other seeing this? Any thoughts on what might have changed? Thanks, Cullen _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 15 20:06:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637D93A688A; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:06:17 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4D33A688A; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:06:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.565 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.565 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.034, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UowfZFDriy+m; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159D73A6836; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1562271rvf.49 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:05:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=T3eC93AD+2uUfLHHRFzzVxwmauyHTPGElvii5fAB/ss=; b=RYQbPXjhDFwUhewuCooZl0OjRn/RIsvFujlOPNsgjTOeuR0OT9XkwDgGq2StzCkbDn 9Vfxb/Nz9Pa5zyqf+aHEs9RssKa6bn8JwVrZ+KO7Wald6vJ/vturFwP28k9LR+/clFaC wew6LAf/jCRVKCOPsOc+zQ/INOga2NkzrFHGQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bRuOUf67dUY3LUJDiLStrkj/A6xo5jAPirCPy0BONoPCCBtSlbcwW/qbSDSBNqolC4 IJoI4mQs9VjXP9fwxlp2vv2O9kF/BUpGN417TVMQNl2RJELwvty1e0SzTnL/8dKdlxnu NeSKUWTBh60RcOU60SBU6Eb2mCPFVS+4/wVcI= Received: by 10.140.141.16 with SMTP id o16mr986903rvd.138.1232078758524; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.3? (118-92-203-234.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz [118.92.203.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g22sm682042rvb.1.2009.01.15.20.05.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:05:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4970079F.9030402@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:05:51 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cullen Jennings References: <28A87AE9-5EF3-415D-8F2E-DF40610B8293@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <28A87AE9-5EF3-415D-8F2E-DF40610B8293@cisco.com> Cc: IESG IESG , Tools Discuss Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] SPAM in IETF email archives X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On 2009-01-16 16:40, Cullen Jennings wrote: > > It seems to me that there is a lot more spam in the archives than their > there used to be. More specifically, we seem to get spam in the archives > that was not sent to the lists. I have not gone and systematically > looked at this so I may be totally wrong but are other seeing this? Any > thoughts on what might have changed? I discovered an issue recently when, for no particular reason, I checked that the diffserv WG archives were still on line. Diffserv, and the list, were closed in 2003. But until 9 days ago, the email address diffserv-archive@ietf.org was still active, receiving spam, and dropping that spam into the archive. This was promptly fixed under ticket [rt.amsl.com #12411] but I wonder if it's the tip of an iceberg? Brian _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 15 21:23:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E373A683D; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:23:09 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2573A683D; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:23:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.354 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.354 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.141, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1cYUaieDdQ1o; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5633A67D4; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E12E24232; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:22:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (core2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ARcgX3Lqh9+v; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:22:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (adsl-66-126-244-166.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [66.126.244.166]) by core2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628C52422B; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Alexa Morris To: Cullen Jennings In-Reply-To: <28A87AE9-5EF3-415D-8F2E-DF40610B8293@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:21:57 -0800 References: <28A87AE9-5EF3-415D-8F2E-DF40610B8293@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: IESG IESG , Tools Discuss Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] SPAM in IETF email archives X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Cullen, This was actually brought to my attention several days ago and we are working on it now. The spam is being sent to the archive email address, not the list address. I will provide more details about the solution as soon as I can, but please know that it is definitely being addressed. Alexa On Jan 15, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: > > It seems to me that there is a lot more spam in the archives than > their there used to be. More specifically, we seem to get spam in > the archives that was not sent to the lists. I have not gone and > systematically looked at this so I may be totally wrong but are > other seeing this? Any thoughts on what might have changed? > > Thanks, Cullen > ----------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 16 05:22:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF6D3A68BB; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:22:29 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447C33A68BB; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:22:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.566 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.566 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id chimFIYvzkrE; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211A73A680C; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:22:28 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,276,1231113600"; d="scan'208";a="231116805" Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2009 13:22:13 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n0GDMDBd001720; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:22:13 -0800 Received: from [192.168.4.177] (rcdn-fluffy-8711.cisco.com [10.99.9.18]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0GDMBjj025449; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:22:12 GMT From: Cullen Jennings To: "Alexa Morris" In-Reply-To: Impp: xmpp:cullenfluffyjennings@jabber.org References: <28A87AE9-5EF3-415D-8F2E-DF40610B8293@cisco.com> Message-Id: <32F82E39-CE21-4B6A-9A67-6E08523E0073@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:22:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1174; t=1232112133; x=1232976133; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fluffy@cisco.com; z=From:=20Cullen=20Jennings=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20SPAM=20in=20IETF=20email=20archives |Sender:=20; bh=xr+Gvn7l2W7qWb5lChZQOpPVo2a76caJygBiwqhO7fc=; b=uKU1mzv1mY9lZKGxn+qvxd5+MGrnuiKVQ5V/usCD3bZM5FW4KwjFq4NVO4 mQDl23tl2/luKm+jl7/2cCId+OymlMFSOih1vnCWwUT+/bEm1fCukr+zxK1b HRLi3YMYrXh8iWJ9ihLjyaA/nbSj1Gl5AsdnnmanBBpGo6+cTzru0=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=fluffy@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); Cc: IESG IESG , Tools Discuss Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] SPAM in IETF email archives X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thanks On Jan 15, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Alexa Morris wrote: > Cullen, > > This was actually brought to my attention several days ago and we are > working on it now. The spam is being sent to the archive email > address, not the list address. I will provide more details about the > solution as soon as I can, but please know that it is definitely being > addressed. > > Alexa > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: > > > > > It seems to me that there is a lot more spam in the archives than > > their there used to be. More specifically, we seem to get spam in > > the archives that was not sent to the lists. I have not gone and > > systematically looked at this so I may be totally wrong but are > > other seeing this? Any thoughts on what might have changed? > > > > Thanks, Cullen > > > > ----------- > Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF > 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 > Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 > Email: amorris@amsl.com > > Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) > Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning > www.amsl.com > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jan 17 13:32:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366C53A6A95; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:32:44 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C07828C172 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:32:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.493 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.493 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.106, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JUf0ks15RjwE for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:32:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [8.8.40.152]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BA943A6966 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:32:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5037 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jan 2009 15:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com) (96.255.143.189) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2009 15:05:37 -0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:47:12 -0500 To: Tools Discuss ,IESG From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <28A87AE9-5EF3-415D-8F2E-DF40610B8293@cisco.com> References: <28A87AE9-5EF3-415D-8F2E-DF40610B8293@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090116153234.8BA943A6966@core3.amsl.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:32:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] SPAM in IETF email archives X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I have a theory that the SPAM is being sent to the archive email address, not the actual mail list. How hard would it be to make sure that the mail arriving at the archive is only coming from the mail list that it is archiving? Russ At 10:40 PM 1/15/2009, Cullen Jennings wrote: >It seems to me that there is a lot more spam in the archives than >their there used to be. More specifically, we seem to get spam in the >archives that was not sent to the lists. I have not gone and >systematically looked at this so I may be totally wrong but are other >seeing this? Any thoughts on what might have changed? > >Thanks, Cullen > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 20 07:01:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33443A6C09; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:01:48 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648E83A6BF3 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:01:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.489 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.489 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.110, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yGrudmnS+wQz for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [8.8.40.152]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6676B28C1F2 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:01:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6221 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jan 2009 15:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com) (96.255.143.24) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 15:00:45 -0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:00:43 -0500 To: Tools Discuss ,IESG From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.2.20090116094531.09a061d0@vigilsec.com> References: <28A87AE9-5EF3-415D-8F2E-DF40610B8293@cisco.com> <7.1.0.9.2.20090116094531.09a061d0@vigilsec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090120150104.6676B28C1F2@core3.amsl.com> Cc: glen@amsl.com Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] SPAM in IETF email archives X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org The mail is definitely going straight into the archive, bypassing the distribution to the mail list. Here is another example: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg05631.html Russ At 09:47 AM 1/16/2009, Russ Housley wrote: >I have a theory that the SPAM is being sent to the archive email >address, not the actual mail list. How hard would it be to make >sure that the mail arriving at the archive is only coming from the >mail list that it is archiving? > >Russ > >At 10:40 PM 1/15/2009, Cullen Jennings wrote: > >>It seems to me that there is a lot more spam in the archives than >>their there used to be. More specifically, we seem to get spam in the >>archives that was not sent to the lists. I have not gone and >>systematically looked at this so I may be totally wrong but are other >>seeing this? Any thoughts on what might have changed? >> >>Thanks, Cullen _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 20 09:40:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A045B3A6B36; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:40:58 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C1D3A67E3; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:38:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4WuyYUxzcbXi; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4F73A6883; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0C731A844; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:37:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (core2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3m7LwUiGRt+k; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.170.98.103] (dv2500r1.c5i.net [64.170.98.103]) by core2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81AD31A7E3; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:37:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49760BF0.3010801@amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:37:52 -0800 From: Glen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <28A87AE9-5EF3-415D-8F2E-DF40610B8293@cisco.com> <7.1.0.9.2.20090116094531.09a061d0@vigilsec.com> <20090120150052.7F49C242A6@core2.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20090120150052.7F49C242A6@core2.amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:40:57 -0800 Cc: IESG , Tools Discuss Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] SPAM in IETF email archives X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Nothing has changed, just the frequency of spam is increasing. We are going to be taking steps to mitigate this shortly. Glen Russ Housley wrote: > > The mail is definitely going straight into the archive, bypassing the > distribution to the mail list. > > Here is another example: > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg05631.html > > Russ > > > At 09:47 AM 1/16/2009, Russ Housley wrote: >> I have a theory that the SPAM is being sent to the archive email >> address, not the actual mail list. How hard would it be to make sure >> that the mail arriving at the archive is only coming from the mail >> list that it is archiving? >> >> Russ >> >> At 10:40 PM 1/15/2009, Cullen Jennings wrote: >> >>> It seems to me that there is a lot more spam in the archives than >>> their there used to be. More specifically, we seem to get spam in the >>> archives that was not sent to the lists. I have not gone and >>> systematically looked at this so I may be totally wrong but are other >>> seeing this? Any thoughts on what might have changed? >>> >>> Thanks, Cullen > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 22 09:33:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E770B3A6931; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:33:46 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2E03A6904 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:33:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.532 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.532 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y8N+B1x2BPZF for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE7B3A6931 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA161986E2; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:32:50 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C76D198670; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:32:50 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4978AD82.90205@piuha.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:31:46 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS discussion X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: Iljitsch van Beijnum Subject: [Tools-discuss] ietf network v6 problems? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I seem to be having a problem with accessing IETF sites with v6 for some reason. Some other IPv6 Internet sites work for me, and some IETF IPv6 addresses work, but not all. Iljitsch saw a similar issue from Holland, but from Spain all addresses seemed to work. Anyone else see the same problem? Jari $ wget -6 http://tools.ietf.org --15:37:25-- http://tools.ietf.org/ => `index.html.3' Resolving tools.ietf.org... 2001:1890:1112:1:214:22ff:fe1f:1e54, 2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb Connecting to tools.ietf.org|2001:1890:1112:1:214:22ff:fe1f:1e54|:80... failed: Connection timed out. Connecting to tools.ietf.org|2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: unspecified [text/html] [ <=> ] 55,390 --.--K/s 15:40:34 (625.76 KB/s) - `index.html.3' saved [55390] $ traceroute6 2001:1890:1112:1:214:22ff:fe1f:1e54 traceroute to 2001:1890:1112:1:214:22ff:fe1f:1e54 (2001:1890:1112:1:214:22ff:fe1f:1e54) from 2001:14b8:400:101:216:6fff:fe75:6607, 30 hops max, 16 byte packets 1 2001:14b8:400:101::1 (2001:14b8:400:101::1) 1.346 ms 1.53 ms 1.51 ms 2 hki2r2.ip6.fv.fi (2001:14b8:0:2000::9) 5.164 ms 3.918 ms 4.208 ms 3 * * * 4 * * * 5 sl-bb1v6-nyc-t-1003.sprintv6.net (2001:440:1239:100d::1) 140.308 ms 133.941 ms 125.768 ms 6 2001:7f8:d:fe::139 (2001:7f8:d:fe::139) 12.258 ms 11.791 ms 12.119 ms 7 sl-bb1v6-nyc-t-1003.sprintv6.net (2001:440:1239:100d::1) 119.181 ms 146.632 ms 142.172 ms 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * $ wget -6 http://www.ietf.org --15:53:14-- http://www.ietf.org/ => `index.html.4' Resolving www.ietf.org... 2001:1890:1112:1::20 Connecting to www.ietf.org|2001:1890:1112:1::20|:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. --15:56:24-- http://www.ietf.org/ (try: 2) => `index.html.4' Connecting to www.ietf.org|2001:1890:1112:1::20|:80... ^C $ traceroute6 www.ietf.org traceroute to www.ietf.org (2001:1890:1112:1::20) from 2001:14b8:400:101:216:6fff:fe75:6607, 30 hops max, 16 byte packets 1 2001:14b8:400:101::1 (2001:14b8:400:101::1) 2.232 ms 1.677 ms 1.536 ms 2 hki2r2.ip6.fv.fi (2001:14b8:0:2000::9) 5.513 ms 4.008 ms 4.607 ms 3 * * * 4 * * * 5 sl-bb1v6-nyc-t-1003.sprintv6.net (2001:440:1239:100d::1) 119.408 ms 146.37 ms 135.505 ms 6 2001:7f8:d:fe::139 (2001:7f8:d:fe::139) 11.613 ms 13.077 ms 11.47 ms 7 sl-bb1v6-nyc-t-1003.sprintv6.net (2001:440:1239:100d::1) 133.239 ms 140.542 ms 129.067 ms 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 22 12:35:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DCF28C291; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:35:02 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EDC28C298 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:35:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7NtwGQ-6E5dK for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:34:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D925628C296 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:34:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so5036352wfd.31 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:34:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iCGaPnC/XpMp4eLbRCzRhZ3FH2UTezpdsaFaDQsOL3U=; b=jpKccOSEW4KgtXDcNhdAn+b+8OFWCxWJXaDGhKJj+cpFt/T+zuaWXa/1GNXSJbHJ84 5ZlAACVaoP73LCT4NofPNCJkqUuGTcaEINvtpPyIM7G6YYa9W+//9xFsPGkP/ce7zIZt WX90X0QTXpcPLbXJNTb85xrBvuV/jMWVxaUUc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=U100ALN8JbmCQ1uV/WjslOsbRln1uP67v5Jbnb3Fg0Bxpxxc87WriWpRy50XRrW9S9 LJi+tfOEWZ2yY7wj1vEIf4jMSPTRBNCwt5FVhx2TW90zEA7ra9Q+TUfdqPTBTzK6k9JF xxgsmMQaeWxvouJud/OFJclBaxxeKH4zsbBco= Received: by 10.142.144.16 with SMTP id r16mr2388500wfd.133.1232656481939; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?130.216.38.124? (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 27sm15882146wfa.29.2009.01.22.12.34.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:34:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4978D85E.4080404@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:34:38 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jari Arkko References: <4978AD82.90205@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <4978AD82.90205@piuha.net> Cc: Iljitsch van Beijnum , IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ietf network v6 problems? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On 2009-01-23 06:31, Jari Arkko wrote: > I seem to be having a problem with accessing IETF sites with v6 for some > reason. Some other IPv6 Internet sites work for me, and some IETF IPv6 > addresses work, but not all. Iljitsch saw a similar issue from Holland, > but from Spain all addresses seemed to work. Anyone else see the same > problem? It all looks good to me, using the AARNET tunnel broker (i.e. I appear to be in Australia, not New Zealand, in 2001:388:f000::/64 ). I can't use our native connectivity via the University of Auckland and karen.net.nz, because that doesn't have transit to non-EDU type networks, including the IETF. We have black holes in IPv6, like we used to have in IPv4 20+ years ago. Brian _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 22 12:50:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD6A28C223; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:50:04 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBC328C223 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:50:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.085 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.085 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.087, BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7hdI-vl6J8BX for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8926528C1E6 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (w173.z064002096.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.2.96.173]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1LQ6Uf37gI-0007UD; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:49:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "IETF TOOLS discussion" References: <4978AD82.90205@piuha.net> <4978D85E.4080404@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:49:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+1vbwlkfTjaI3HUeBYIeQpSkuiSXv+SCrwHRu HX3NKK3OUJEFmWFd0LRLJiaG5JneZxK5fmPDaXgNLP6dJ5kEU7 CnrWw5Aq9bYRrqa3kDrv7RD3TC4gEpXNOy5ZXa1L+A= Cc: Mary Barnes , Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: [Tools-discuss] Missing slides for IETF 73 SIPPING meeting X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I'm getting 404s for the slides linked at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sipping/minutes?item=minutes73.html, but the slides do seem to be present at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/sipping.html. Am I doing something wrong? I checked a couple of other working groups, and SIPPING was the only problem I found. Thanks, Spencer _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 22 13:22:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6C63A680A; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:22:22 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80B23A680A for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:22:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.308 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.308 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.290, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vUA+7b1gZ2o2 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FD63A67D1 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (w173.z064002096.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.2.96.173]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1LQ6zs1hOd-0007Xb; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:22:00 -0500 Message-ID: <4AEE13D16C8541A7B83CBC3EF9ACBD1F@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "Mary Barnes" , "IETF TOOLS discussion" References: <4978AD82.90205@piuha.net> <4978D85E.4080404@gmail.com> <1ECE0EB50388174790F9694F77522CCF1BCEE6A3@zrc2hxm0.corp.nortel.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:21:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19dgvImUlK3biqUgK19eFEthGpQhip+lPsyg9L sIFgdKQHKNpMcMqkOpfxqp6ECkxHiDKellO2JPmbPMWYQ5OUYR 9VtK4iBotGxWYCZyD1bjeCVll0DtgkPJZ/bnizcvLM= Cc: Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Missing slides for IETF 73 SIPPING meeting X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Mary, Sorry if I'm not being clear (it happens) - I am seeing the Minutes, for IETF 73, but when I click on links to presentations, THEN I'm getting 404s. Thanks, Spencer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Barnes" To: "Spencer Dawkins" ; "IETF TOOLS discussion" Cc: "Gonzalo Camarillo" Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: RE: Missing slides for IETF 73 SIPPING meeting I'm not sure why you're not seeing the minutes - I just checked and I think they're there, although when you first go to "Minutes" from the SIPPING Status Page, I did get an error, but that error says that no IETF-74 minutes are available (which is right). But if you then click on minutes-73, they are there. Perhaps they've just started resetting the WG pages to plan for IETF-74. Mary. -----Original Message----- From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spencer@wonderhamster.org] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:49 PM To: IETF TOOLS discussion Cc: Barnes, Mary (RICH2:AR00); Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: Missing slides for IETF 73 SIPPING meeting I'm getting 404s for the slides linked at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sipping/minutes?item=minutes73.html, but the slides do seem to be present at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/sipping.html. Am I doing something wrong? I checked a couple of other working groups, and SIPPING was the only problem I found. Thanks, Spencer _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 22 22:23:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA03E3A689C; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:23:13 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86E93A682E for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:23:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2HNXa1J5LUzA for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcore.fi (eunet-gw.ipv6.netcore.fi [IPv6:2001:670:86:3001::1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18343A6801 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:23:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcore.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0N6MmTY005520; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:22:48 +0200 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id n0N6MmY8005517; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:22:48 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:22:48 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: <4978AD82.90205@piuha.net> Message-ID: References: <4978AD82.90205@piuha.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8893/Thu Jan 22 22:18:43 2009 on otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Iljitsch van Beijnum , IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ietf network v6 problems? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, Jari Arkko wrote: > I seem to be having a problem with accessing IETF sites with v6 for some > reason. Some other IPv6 Internet sites work for me, and some IETF IPv6 > addresses work, but not all. Iljitsch saw a similar issue from Holland, but > from Spain all addresses seemed to work. Anyone else see the same problem? > > Jari Works fine here. It seems that the IETF network only supports 1480B PMTU is support. www.ietf.org servers are advertising 1440 (=1500B MTU) MSS. I'd suspect there is some big packet blackholing happening on the return path. This is working on my 6to4 test system that has 1420 MSS, and my native systems which have 1440B MSS. So if the problem wasn't fixed already, I suspect this gets triggered when tunneling happens inside the network. It would be interesting to see a traceroute back from www.ietf.org or such, maybe also with big packets. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 23 04:00:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A233A6867; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:00:30 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD4F3A6867 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:00:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qSVBOeigtepr for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:00:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413893A6843 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:00:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:51537) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LQKhl-0005IX-2b; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:00:09 +0100 Message-ID: <4979B147.1060607@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:00:07 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins References: <4978AD82.90205@piuha.net> <4978D85E.4080404@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: spencer@wonderhamster.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Missing slides for IETF 73 SIPPING meeting X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On 2009-01-22 21:49 Spencer Dawkins said the following: > I'm getting 404s for the slides linked at > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sipping/minutes?item=minutes73.html, but the slides > do seem to be present at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/sipping.html. > Am I doing something wrong? It seems the URL for the slides has changed after the secretariat closed the preliminary materials page. I'll talk to them about it. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 26 05:45:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDAC3A6BA6; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:45:05 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC12728C1FD for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:45:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CyfogK1TeYdE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69D43A6A70 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n0QDiUkQ003493 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:44:43 +0200 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:44:29 +0200 Received: from vaebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.22]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:44:24 +0200 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.8]) by vaebh101.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:44:19 +0200 Received: from nok-am1mhub-08.mgdnok.nokia.com (65.54.30.15) by NOK-AM1MHUB-04.mgdnok.nokia.com (65.54.30.8) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.291.1; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:44:18 +0100 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.106]) by nok-am1mhub-08.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.15]) with mapi; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:44:18 +0100 From: To: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:44:17 +0100 Thread-Topic: Feature suggestion for idnits: "PK" check Thread-Index: Acl/vC6DNdAG/DsUTMa9UT8uQr6fDw== Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E77C13F1@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2009 13:44:19.0258 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FFED9A0:01C97FBC] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [Tools-discuss] Feature suggestion for idnits: "PK" check X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I have one suggestion for idnits: it could issue some kind of mild warning if the first two letters in the file are "P" and "K". Apparently, Internet Explorer gets confused by this, and thinks the draft is a ZIP file (ignoring the MIME type returned by the web server). For example: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pkix-rfc4055-update-01.txt This is clearly IE's fault (www.ietf.org is returning "Content-Type: text/plain" as it should), but since this will cause lot of confusion, it wouldn't hurt to warn about it. (BTW -- this never happens with xml2rfc, since it always begins the file with an empty line.) Best regards, Pasi _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 30 08:00:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0B83A6A4C; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:00:19 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECAC73A6A4C for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:00:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.125, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zrWF-I0nidaQ for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from e32.co.us.ibm.com (e32.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.150]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3313A68EC for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.227]) by e32.co.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0UFvpjj015305 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:57:53 -0700 Received: from d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.168]) by d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id n0UFxlcY183292 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:59:49 -0700 Received: from d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n0UFxkol004127 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:59:46 -0700 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-76-135-164.mts.ibm.com [9.76.135.164]) by d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n0UFxebh003883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:59:44 -0700 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.2/8.12.5) with ESMTP id n0UFxdEb020436 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:59:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200901301559.n0UFxdEb020436@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:59:39 -0500 From: Thomas Narten Subject: [Tools-discuss] IETF mailing list web archives X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org I've been frustrated for a long time about the web archives we have. To me, they are pretty much unusable for anything other the browsing the last few days of emails. But, if you ever wanted to go look for something a month or a year ago, it's just not possible For the MHonArc stuff we are using, the only operations seem to be: - Next page - Prev Page - Thread Index And, each of these gives you one page of messages. No search ability, etc. I have found that if I want to go look for something, I effectively have to download one the mbox format archives and incorporate it into my MUA. Surely we can do better than that! Is this an area that is a known problem with a fix in the pipeline? Or, is a prod needed to look into moving to a better web interface? Do others thing we need an improvement in this area? Thomas _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 30 08:07:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC8B3A69ED; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:07:59 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364FB3A69ED for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:07:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.508 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.909, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UjjPEPHjNpAi for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:07:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F36553A6973 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Jan 2009 16:07:37 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp052) with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 17:07:37 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+iTwpN/Hqi48cU7FLRzLR+2cav6O7c5UR6kbpIKT xK2AJflxstcNpt Message-ID: <498325C6.9090802@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:07:34 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Narten References: <200901301559.n0UFxdEb020436@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <200901301559.n0UFxdEb020436@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.71 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IETF mailing list web archives X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Thomas Narten wrote: > ... > Is this an area that is a known problem with a fix in the pipeline? > Or, is a prod needed to look into moving to a better web interface? > > Do others thing we need an improvement in this area? > ... Indeed. I guess the only reason why I haven't been complaining so far is because the mailing lists of particular importance to me happen to be hosted by the W3C (WebDAV and HTTP). BR, Julian _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 30 08:21:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5353A6997; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:21:24 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F57B3A6B1F for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:21:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fGPHtnz0yqpP for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83873A6ABA for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from 38-208.mops.RWTH-Aachen.DE (38-208.mops.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.61.38.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0UGKoA3071699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:20:51 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert To: Thomas Narten In-Reply-To: <200901301559.n0UFxdEb020436@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:20:49 +0100 References: <200901301559.n0UFxdEb020436@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (mail.fit.nokia.com [212.213.221.39]); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:20:51 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8924/Fri Jan 30 17:10:48 2009 on fit.nokia.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IETF mailing list web archives X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I got frustrated about that, too, and started a Google custom search a while back that searches the archives (http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=006728497408158459967%3Aybxjdw-bjjw ). I'm not totally happy with it and there are bugs, for example, it doesn't find anything in the IPsec archives even though the correct search pattern is in place. Google doesn't offer any way to debug any issues with their custom search, so there's no way to fix this AFAIK. But anyhow, give it a whirl. Lars On 2009-1-30, at 16:59, Thomas Narten wrote: > I've been frustrated for a long time about the web archives we > have. To me, they are pretty much unusable for anything other the > browsing the last few days of emails. > > But, if you ever wanted to go look for something a month or a year > ago, it's just not possible > > For the MHonArc stuff we are using, the only operations seem to be: > > - Next page > - Prev Page > - Thread Index > > And, each of these gives you one page of messages. No search ability, > etc. > > I have found that if I want to go look for something, I effectively > have to download one the mbox format archives and incorporate it into > my MUA. Surely we can do better than that! > > Is this an area that is a known problem with a fix in the pipeline? > Or, is a prod needed to look into moving to a better web interface? > > Do others thing we need an improvement in this area? > > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 30 08:36:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1567A28C0D9; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:36:35 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B444928C10B for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:36:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.481 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.481 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.118, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SL8bmV-QNfKZ for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:36:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from e2.ny.us.ibm.com (e2.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.142]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D073A3A6B9C for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by e2.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0UGYTLa015509 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:34:29 -0500 Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (d01av01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.215]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id n0UGaDTe188348 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:36:13 -0500 Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n0UGaDsr031191 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:36:13 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-76-135-164.mts.ibm.com [9.76.135.164]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n0UGaCOe031111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:36:13 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.2/8.12.5) with ESMTP id n0UGaB9G027906; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:36:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200901301636.n0UGaB9G027906@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: Lars Eggert In-reply-to: References: <200901301559.n0UFxdEb020436@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> Comments: In-reply-to Lars Eggert message dated "Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:20:49 +0100." Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:36:11 -0500 From: Thomas Narten Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IETF mailing list web archives X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org > I'm not totally happy with it and there are bugs, for example, it > doesn't find anything in the IPsec archives even though the correct > search pattern is in place. Google doesn't offer any way to debug any > issues with their custom search, so there's no way to fix this > AFAIK. Well, actually, isn't there stock mailing list software out there that does what we need? I don't think yet more specialized tools (and an indirection) are what we want, I think the IETF needs better archives. So my aim here is to get the IETF archive system improved to meet our needs. I've thought at times of writing a short "requirements" document for this, but is that necessary? How do we make progress on this topic? Thomas _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 30 08:50:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9C23A68CC; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:50:59 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2427728C27B for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:50:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aYDeVVGybVLv for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:50:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0226428C2CF for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:50:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from 38-208.mops.RWTH-Aachen.DE (38-208.mops.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.61.38.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0UGoR1W072088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:50:28 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: <7850F566-A46C-4C69-8074-F2FA4DFAC835@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert To: Thomas Narten In-Reply-To: <200901301636.n0UGaB9G027906@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:50:27 +0100 References: <200901301559.n0UFxdEb020436@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <200901301636.n0UGaB9G027906@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (mail.fit.nokia.com [212.213.221.39]); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:50:28 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8924/Fri Jan 30 17:10:48 2009 on fit.nokia.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IETF mailing list web archives X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org On 2009-1-30, at 17:36, Thomas Narten wrote: > Well, actually, isn't there stock mailing list software out there that > does what we need? The only thing I know about are patches to mailman for htdig support. That would already be a step up, but still a far cry from Google Groups, Nabble, etc. > I don't think yet more specialized tools (and an indirection) are what > we want, I think the IETF needs better archives. So my aim here is to > get the IETF archive system improved to meet our needs. I hear you. > I've thought at times of writing a short "requirements" document for > this, but is that necessary? How do we make progress on this topic? Grab some of the available open source indexing solutions and try them? This might be something someone could look into at the SF code sprint. Lars _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss