From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Feb 1 01:05:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A645D3A69A8; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 01:05:49 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51713A69A8 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 01:05:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ng07hQlt4iFV for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 01:05:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.185]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C07C3A6994 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 01:05:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 9BE3138E06; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:05:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6391838ABF; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:05:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22ADD37E47; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:05:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52189 helo=chardonnay.local) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LTYGY-0000Xm-Ai; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:05:22 +0100 Message-ID: <498565D1.3090901@levkowetz.com> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:05:21 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E77C13F1@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E77C13F1@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Feature suggestion for idnits: "PK" check X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Pasi, I've added a comment about this in idnits v2.11.02. Best, Henrik On 2009-01-26 14:44 Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com said the following: > Hi, > > I have one suggestion for idnits: it could issue some kind of mild > warning if the first two letters in the file are "P" and "K". > > Apparently, Internet Explorer gets confused by this, and thinks the > draft is a ZIP file (ignoring the MIME type returned by the web server). > For example: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pkix-rfc4055-update-01.txt > > This is clearly IE's fault (www.ietf.org is returning "Content-Type: > text/plain" as it should), but since this will cause lot of confusion, > it wouldn't hurt to warn about it. > > (BTW -- this never happens with xml2rfc, since it always begins > the file with an empty line.) > > Best regards, > Pasi > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Sun Feb 1 23:56:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82153A6AA2; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 23:56:46 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCFD3A6AA2 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 23:56:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.484 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.484 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.115, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qb1t4CSu8qnj for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 23:56:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205B528C1C8 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 23:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n127sXEZ023019; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:56:20 -0600 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:55:46 +0200 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:55:39 +0200 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.106]) by nok-am1mhub-03.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) with mapi; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 08:55:36 +0100 From: To: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 08:55:34 +0100 Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Feature suggestion for idnits: "PK" check Thread-Index: AcmETDsGtNunvybTQZyrnatTWjGVGwAv1NGw Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E7877CCF@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E77C13F1@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <498565D1.3090901@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <498565D1.3090901@levkowetz.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2009 07:55:39.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3DC0650:01C9850B] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Feature suggestion for idnits: "PK" check X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Hi Henrik, Thanks -- I've tested this with rfc4055-update-01, and it seems to work! Best regards, Pasi > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com] > Sent: 01 February, 2009 11:05 > To: Eronen Pasi (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki) > Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Feature suggestion for idnits: "PK" check > > Hi Pasi, > > I've added a comment about this in idnits v2.11.02. > > > Best, > > Henrik > > > On 2009-01-26 14:44 Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com said the following: > > Hi, > > > > I have one suggestion for idnits: it could issue some kind of mild > > warning if the first two letters in the file are "P" and "K". > > > > Apparently, Internet Explorer gets confused by this, and thinks the > > draft is a ZIP file (ignoring the MIME type returned by the > web server). > > For example: > > > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pkix-rfc4055-up date-01.txt > > > > This is clearly IE's fault (www.ietf.org is returning "Content-Type: > > text/plain" as it should), but since this will cause lot of > confusion, > > it wouldn't hurt to warn about it. > > > > (BTW -- this never happens with xml2rfc, since it always begins > > the file with an empty line.) > > > > Best regards, > > Pasi > > _______________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list > > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 2 00:21:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-discuss-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3467B3A69CD; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 00:21:04 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969FD3A69CD for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 00:21:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id As+Y6PHfWobH for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 00:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285B13A69AB for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 00:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from vaebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh106.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.32]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n128K2SJ016362; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 02:20:39 -0600 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by vaebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:19:54 +0200 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.6]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:19:50 +0200 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.106]) by nok-am1mhub-02.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.6]) with mapi; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:19:49 +0100 From: To: , Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:19:49 +0100 Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] IETF mailing list web archives Thread-Index: AcmC+uag4Ej+WoGLQ/mJ9OPLMXO6xACEMjeA Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E7877D1D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <200901301559.n0UFxdEb020436@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <200901301636.n0UGaB9G027906@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <7850F566-A46C-4C69-8074-F2FA4DFAC835@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <7850F566-A46C-4C69-8074-F2FA4DFAC835@nokia.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2009 08:19:50.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[04517260:01C9850F] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IETF mailing list web archives X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org Lars Eggert wrote: > The only thing I know about are patches to mailman for htdig > support. That would already be a step up, but still a far cry from > Google Groups, Nabble, etc. The mailing list search software used by W3C is open source (http://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Devel) -- but I don't know how much work it would take to adapt it for IETF use. AMS (the company running the IETF secretariat) also has an in-house built software called "ARO" (used by some of their other clients), which includes mailing list archives and search. I've briefly tried it, and at least the archives and search (it has other features, too) look pretty decent. (But there's the question of vendor lock-in -- using software that can't be moved to a new vendor complicates ever doing a new RFP for secretariat services.) There are also commercial software packages (like L-SOFT's LISTSERV) that include mailing list archives and search. I don't know how the cost of those would compare with the cost of customizing/deploying/maintaining some open source package (we pay for the IT infrastructure work, so using open source isn't always cheaper than commercial software). Best regards, Pasi _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From iljitsch@muada.com Thu Jan 22 13:34:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB6A3A6827 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:34:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l+kJC2ecIXI9 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sequoia.muada.com (sequoia.muada.com [83.149.65.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807193A680A for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.23] (static-167-138-7-89.ipcom.comunitel.net [89.7.138.167] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by sequoia.muada.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n0MLUm7r004004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:30:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from iljitsch@muada.com) Message-Id: From: Iljitsch van Beijnum To: Brian E Carpenter In-Reply-To: <4978D85E.4080404@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:32:17 +0100 References: <4978AD82.90205@piuha.net> <4978D85E.4080404@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:16:12 -0800 Cc: Jari Arkko , IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ietf network v6 problems? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:34:00 -0000 On 22 jan 2009, at 21:34, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> I seem to be having a problem with accessing IETF sites with v6 for >> some >> reason. Some other IPv6 Internet sites work for me, and some IETF >> IPv6 >> addresses work, but not all. Iljitsch saw a similar issue from >> Holland, >> but from Spain all addresses seemed to work. Actually the tunnel I used from Spain also goes through Holland (SixXS). But if anyone cares I can try with 6to4 through a Portugese relay from the office tomorrow. From my server with native connectivity I get: > traceroute6 tools.ietf.org traceroute6: Warning: tools.ietf.org has multiple addresses; using 2001:1890:1112:1:214:22ff:fe1f:1e54 traceroute6 to tools.ietf.org (2001:1890:1112:1:214:22ff:fe1f:1e54) from 2001:1af8:2:5::2, 64 hops max, 12 byte packets 1 2001:1af8:2:5::1 94.584 ms 85.648 ms 81.292 ms 2 2001:1af8::29 1.976 ms 1.707 ms 2.100 ms 3 2001:450:2008:1017::1 2.359 ms 18.069 ms 5.091 ms 4 * * * 5 * * * 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 *^C Hop 3 is Global Crossing, looks like they or the next hop is a black hole, I would assume if there was no route we'd get !N. (It keeps using this address on each try, longest match and all...) The other address: > traceroute6 2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb traceroute6 to 2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb (2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb) from 2001:1af8:2:5::2, 64 hops max, 12 byte packets 1 2001:1af8:2:5::1 113.213 ms 141.399 ms 87.285 ms 2 2001:1af8::29 2.211 ms 1.640 ms 1.478 ms 3 ams-ix.he.net 2.108 ms 1.681 ms 1.600 ms 4 dk-ore.nordu.net 31.716 ms 31.476 ms 31.112 ms 5 dk-ore.nordu.net 31.551 ms 31.546 ms 31.335 ms 6 se-fre.nordu.net 31.339 ms 31.889 ms 31.574 ms 7 2001:7f8:d:fb::172 30.090 ms 30.316 ms 30.723 ms 8 10ge-2-1.inner-b-gw.sth.netnod.se 30.410 ms 30.420 ms 30.336 ms 9 2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb 30.469 ms 30.322 ms 30.207 ms Actual communication shows the same: # ftp "http://tools.ietf.org/about" ftp: Connect to address `2001:1890:1112:1:214:22ff:fe1f:1e54': Operation timed out Trying 2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb... Requesting http://tools.ietf.org/about 26258 280.87 KB/s 26258 bytes retrieved in 00:00 (280.72 KB/s) A couple of years ago I couldn't even get to *.ietf.org over IPv6 from the IETF meeting venue... The /48 PI prefix used then wasn't routed by the meeting network ISP but they returned unreachables so the fallback to IPv4 was immediate. From mary.barnes@nortel.com Thu Jan 22 12:58:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2603A6827 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:58:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.589 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2qPgBqsU4Us2 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from zrtps0kp.nortel.com (zrtps0kp.nortel.com [47.140.192.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DA43A67D1 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from zrc2hxm0.corp.nortel.com (zrc2hxm0.corp.nortel.com [47.103.123.71]) by zrtps0kp.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id n0MKvwe10868; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:57:58 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:54:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1ECE0EB50388174790F9694F77522CCF1BCEE6A3@zrc2hxm0.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Missing slides for IETF 73 SIPPING meeting Thread-Index: Acl80vmLZYJ7sDhIQii905NG3m1QsAAAFflg References: <4978AD82.90205@piuha.net> <4978D85E.4080404@gmail.com> From: "Mary Barnes" To: "Spencer Dawkins" , "IETF TOOLS discussion" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:16:44 -0800 Cc: Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Missing slides for IETF 73 SIPPING meeting X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:58:21 -0000 I'm not sure why you're not seeing the minutes - I just checked and I think they're there, although when you first go to "Minutes" from the SIPPING Status Page, I did get an error, but that error says that no IETF-74 minutes are available (which is right). But if you then click on minutes-73, they are there. Perhaps they've just started resetting the WG pages to plan for IETF-74. Mary.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spencer@wonderhamster.org]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:49 PM To: IETF TOOLS discussion Cc: Barnes, Mary (RICH2:AR00); Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: Missing slides for IETF 73 SIPPING meeting I'm getting 404s for the slides linked at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sipping/minutes?item=3Dminutes73.html, but the slides do seem to be present at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/sipping.html.=20 Am I doing something wrong? I checked a couple of other working groups, and SIPPING was the only problem I found. Thanks, Spencer=20 From mary.barnes@nortel.com Thu Jan 22 14:43:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343EF28C102 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:43:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.59 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S+5LN6sxo7Jp for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from zrtps0kn.nortel.com (zrtps0kn.nortel.com [47.140.192.55]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3DA28C223 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from zrc2hxm0.corp.nortel.com (zrc2hxm0.corp.nortel.com [47.103.123.71]) by zrtps0kn.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id n0MMgxl12507; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:42:59 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:39:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1ECE0EB50388174790F9694F77522CCF1BCEEAAE@zrc2hxm0.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <4AEE13D16C8541A7B83CBC3EF9ACBD1F@china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Missing slides for IETF 73 SIPPING meeting Thread-Index: Acl813jB5nq3bZBpTk2AtaEISthZkgACWQ4Q References: <4978AD82.90205@piuha.net> <4978D85E.4080404@gmail.com> <1ECE0EB50388174790F9694F77522CCF1BCEE6A3@zrc2hxm0.corp.nortel.com> <4AEE13D16C8541A7B83CBC3EF9ACBD1F@china.huawei.com> From: "Mary Barnes" To: "Spencer Dawkins" , "IETF TOOLS discussion" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:16:44 -0800 Cc: Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Missing slides for IETF 73 SIPPING meeting X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:43:27 -0000 Hi Spencer, Yeah - somehow all those links are wrong. For example, the Update PAI slides on the tools page link is to: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/sipping-5/sld1.htm Whereas, the link in the proceedings, which is correct, is: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/sipping-5/sipping-5.htm And, actually, there are other WGs impacted - there is the same problem with XCON, P2PSIP, BLISS and I would guess others. Based on these WGs, the difference is that the .htm ones have the problem, but the .pdf are fine. =20 I'm not sure how or who needs to fix this - i.e., do problems on the tools page go through the normal ticket system or can I as chair somehow fix this. I'm not on the tools list, so if someone who knows the answer can make sure to 'cc' me, I'd appreciate it. Mary.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spencer@wonderhamster.org]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:22 PM To: Barnes, Mary (RICH2:AR00); IETF TOOLS discussion Cc: Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: Re: Missing slides for IETF 73 SIPPING meeting Hi, Mary, Sorry if I'm not being clear (it happens) - I am seeing the Minutes, for IETF 73, but when I click on links to presentations, THEN I'm getting 404s. Thanks, Spencer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Barnes" To: "Spencer Dawkins" ; "IETF TOOLS discussion"=20 Cc: "Gonzalo Camarillo" Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: RE: Missing slides for IETF 73 SIPPING meeting I'm not sure why you're not seeing the minutes - I just checked and I think they're there, although when you first go to "Minutes" from the SIPPING Status Page, I did get an error, but that error says that no IETF-74 minutes are available (which is right). But if you then click on minutes-73, they are there. Perhaps they've just started resetting the WG pages to plan for IETF-74. Mary. -----Original Message----- From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spencer@wonderhamster.org] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:49 PM To: IETF TOOLS discussion Cc: Barnes, Mary (RICH2:AR00); Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: Missing slides for IETF 73 SIPPING meeting I'm getting 404s for the slides linked at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sipping/minutes?item=3Dminutes73.html, but the slides do seem to be present at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/sipping.html. Am I doing something wrong? I checked a couple of other working groups, and SIPPING was the only problem I found. Thanks, Spencer From paul.hoffman@gmail.com Fri Jan 23 09:48:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B253A6B00 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:48:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uAiqo9GKWFVd for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.186]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502AB3A6AFE for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f33so1340847fkf.5 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:47:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0aFYhCe/mJNyvgce84yL2Vs+UwCTemN+AB+oV/7fQSY=; b=OJyC2/UeB+vUgXqouLv9gvW1Ipw6cuWuzTT70CeDVbxHLDF6hsKEJx4FR7KwBwh+35 OYLrXFzjsy8c8hXS4HzdnunDhICmR1o5j4XDLuQNyKKP8nV0b9wteMZKvZ4g/wRGJcxN 6K2pNa6YDrNSM7+jz9GKgYjudVaURFKZIK4ss= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tmO4JR6fjJIrKsgQNnVfKABnftbJ5iQKQcjzYLpuTMWen5o8OVfenB7M18l3KwQDYj JwX/B1ktGzea1pSNhwZ4pLsj1m487JX4nfL9mpC8tHebw5NxhoFQsa1o8QIwxVtlGmwN GDuQaWhCo9+qLfHlFFFOXxnP6geIlcER7ayDU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.156.12 with SMTP id i12mr863810bko.140.1232732879022; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:47:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <001485f91c30985ec8046129a606@googlemail.com> References: <1e267dfe0901230923xfd3b6b5j4c25456a06d7c4cc@mail.gmail.com> <001485f91c30985ec8046129a606@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:47:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1e267dfe0901230947n75baae2erc92849e2c737c66a@mail.gmail.com> From: Paul Hoffman To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:16:44 -0800 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:48:18 -0000 a) Please fix this; we are losing mail. b) If this failed for the IPsecME WG, I suspect it might be failing for other WGs that were created in the past year. --Paul Hoffman ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Date: Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:23 AM Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) To: paul.hoffman@gmail.com This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: ipsecme-chairs@ietf.org Technical details of permanent failure: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state 14). ----- Original message ----- MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.48.13 with SMTP id a13mr588648bkk.97.1232731421549; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:23:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:23:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1e267dfe0901230923xfd3b6b5j4c25456a06d7c4cc@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Test message From: Paul Hoffman To: ipsecme-chairs@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...to see if Alfred is right. ----- End of message ----- From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Feb 4 23:27:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D213A6359 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:27:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NMfEhhM5Jqqc for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.181]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E124B3A67EA for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 7586738314; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:27:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AC938205; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:27:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2759437E49; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:27:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38180 helo=chardonnay.local) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LUydX-0003Qw-Gt; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:26:59 +0100 Message-ID: <498A94C3.7080203@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:26:59 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: <1e267dfe0901230923xfd3b6b5j4c25456a06d7c4cc@mail.gmail.com> <001485f91c30985ec8046129a606@googlemail.com> <1e267dfe0901230947n75baae2erc92849e2c737c66a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1e267dfe0901230947n75baae2erc92849e2c737c66a@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: paul.hoffman@gmail.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:27:23 -0000 Paul, On 2009-01-23 18:47 Paul Hoffman said the following: > a) Please fix this; we are losing mail. I maintain an up-to-date alias list for wg-chairs on @tools.ietf.org, but you've used an address @ietf.org. I don't even know if that _should_ work... > b) If this failed for the IPsecME WG, I suspect it might be failing > for other WGs that were created in the past year. If it should work, then there should probably be a wildcard alias which forwards to the @tools.ietf.org in place on @ietf.org. Failure for only ipsecme-chairs@ietf.org is strange -- _if it should work_. Henrik > --Paul Hoffman > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem > Date: Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:23 AM > Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) > To: paul.hoffman@gmail.com > > > This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification > > Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: > > ipsecme-chairs@ietf.org > > Technical details of permanent failure: > Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the > recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for > further information about the cause of this error. The error that the > other server returned was: 550 550 5.1.1 : > Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state > 14). > > ----- Original message ----- > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Received: by 10.181.48.13 with SMTP id a13mr588648bkk.97.1232731421549; Fri, > 23 Jan 2009 09:23:41 -0800 (PST) > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:23:41 -0800 > Message-ID: <1e267dfe0901230923xfd3b6b5j4c25456a06d7c4cc@mail.gmail.com> > Subject: Test message > From: Paul Hoffman > To: ipsecme-chairs@ietf.org > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > ...to see if Alfred is right. > > > ----- End of message ----- > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From paul.hoffman@gmail.com Thu Feb 5 04:40:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FC628C1FF for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 04:40:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y2r7beDdyooy for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 04:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.236]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315DA28C12A for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 04:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g9so2443753rvb.5 for ; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 04:39:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ymw229HgnRup6Ia55LqtEZDfTQG97g9UtC6oe+QxFLg=; b=wcbU3NFRt4ojfc4qyYgEM/5ye9l3FeOLYYB4TlMARFilB30tKLzLrsbiVRpJFTD4gC Fkdc8gG9WLbHfuCqWqhqUeNTtcxt9ydbAkgRoAum/q9QLne3Z/0Y/rvZG7UQ8WyyjtPP iemtj4oBQTKEHGmIBbm0IIG+AQIKYD7t9AtKo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jDgfMJrvokUZ+gVV1Ztr8Kfm1JeEk0fObhvww7R0pnHXITZ8aXFZCrIiKJjpQd36Qn rMBsnx/nQ9v4wxX2YTpa7i6edAa1sqYN7uPuV858n5I0mF6Z8pa5nqwW/KTBDg2oyrVf Ic0GiCzKxQ4xvkbz4A/niU7XlQaweMacXikTU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.239.11 with SMTP id m11mr235146wfh.137.1233837582455; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 04:39:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <498A94C3.7080203@levkowetz.com> References: <1e267dfe0901230923xfd3b6b5j4c25456a06d7c4cc@mail.gmail.com> <001485f91c30985ec8046129a606@googlemail.com> <1e267dfe0901230947n75baae2erc92849e2c737c66a@mail.gmail.com> <498A94C3.7080203@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 04:39:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1e267dfe0902050439n7dd672e4i11c0a10d9067d3e9@mail.gmail.com> From: Paul Hoffman To: Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:40:05 -0000 On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Paul, > > On 2009-01-23 18:47 Paul Hoffman said the following: >> a) Please fix this; we are losing mail. > > I maintain an up-to-date alias list for wg-chairs on @tools.ietf.org, > but you've used an address @ietf.org. I don't even know if that > _should_ work... Whoops. Good belated point. It probably should not work. I'll let Alfred know that it's @tools., not @ietf. From elwynd@dial.pipex.com Thu Feb 5 11:43:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82D73A6806 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:43:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.268 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.268 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-4.101, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_DYNAMIC_SPLIT_IP=3.493, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id riEEwW9oeZoV for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:0:30::51bb:1e34]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E585E3A688B for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from 251.254.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.254.251]) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LVA8i-0006wj-LQ; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:43:56 +0000 Message-ID: <498B417A.6040807@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:43:54 +0000 From: Elwyn Davies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools Discuss Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8950/Wed Feb 4 11:19:05 2009, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) Cc: Gerald Ash Subject: [Tools-discuss] Possible bug when extracting author info from drafts X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:43:58 -0000 Hi. An aggrieved author contacted me to say that I had left his name out of a reference to this draft https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/draft-ietf-nsis-qspec/ in a draft I just submitted (draft-ietf-nsis-ext-00). Having checked up, it appears that although the draft text clearly has four authors only three names/email addresses appear on the I-D data page and the generated bibliographic reference used by xml2rfc also has only the same three out of four authors. Any ideas? I noted that the said aggrieved author only specifies a name and email address with no organisation or other contact details. Regards, Elwyn PS Is the system discriminating against retired authors? Signed, Another (semi-)retired author. From Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Thu Feb 5 22:59:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B44D3A6B35 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 22:59:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.574 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.574 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y-e8DZJAYkeN for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 22:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx06.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BA83A680A for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 22:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n166x50K010430 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:59:30 +0200 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:59:21 +0200 Received: from vaebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.22]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:59:15 +0200 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.5]) by vaebh101.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:59:10 +0200 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.106]) by nok-am1mhub-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.5]) with mapi; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:59:10 +0100 From: To: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:59:10 +0100 Thread-Topic: New IESG agenda code deployed Thread-Index: AcmIKGmVo8fv1t6PQIq9C6iukYWyEg== Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E792D1AC@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2009 06:59:10.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[698C46C0:01C98828] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [Tools-discuss] New IESG agenda code deployed X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 06:59:32 -0000 Hi, The old Perl scripts that produced the IESG agenda HTML page (both "public" version at http://www.ietf.org/IESG/agenda.html and an IESG internal version) have now been replaced by new Django code. The new pages look the same as the old ones (no few functionality at this time), but it's now ~200 lines of code (Python+Django template) vs. >1,000 lines of spaghetti Perl earlier, so it should be easier to maintain and add new features, if needed. There are redirects in place, so no action is required -- but if you notice any bugs or strange behavior, let me know. Also, if you have tools that "screen scrape" this page, you may want to check them . Best regards, Pasi From pekkas@netcore.fi Thu Feb 5 23:04:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74213A680A for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:04:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.63 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.63 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.031, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BziMm-zDyyf2 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcore.fi (eunet-gw.ipv6.netcore.fi [IPv6:2001:670:86:3001::1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A764A3A693D for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcore.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1674T8b007427; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:04:29 +0200 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id n1674TLZ007424; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:04:29 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:04:29 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E792D1AC@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-ID: References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E792D1AC@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8957/Thu Feb 5 19:31:01 2009 on otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New IESG agenda code deployed X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 07:04:36 -0000 On Fri, 6 Feb 2009, Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: > The old Perl scripts that produced the IESG agenda HTML page > (both "public" version at http://www.ietf.org/IESG/agenda.html and > an IESG internal version) have now been replaced by new Django code. This is less useful than the previous one to 'mere mortals' -- the URL to web ballot in the previous version pointed to the public side of the datatracker (so you could see ongoing votes, comments, etc.). Now it points to the IESG internal page that requires authentication. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Thu Feb 5 23:32:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E153A69AA for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:32:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.575 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.575 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.024, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uIoVgOvFJ6Un for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:32:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx06.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FE93A69AF for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:32:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from vaebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh106.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.32]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n167W0d7010962; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:32:11 +0200 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by vaebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:31:44 +0200 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.6]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:31:36 +0200 Received: from nok-am1mhub-08.mgdnok.nokia.com (65.54.30.15) by NOK-am1MHUB-02.mgdnok.nokia.com (65.54.30.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.291.1; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:31:35 +0100 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.106]) by nok-am1mhub-08.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.15]) with mapi; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:31:35 +0100 From: To: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:31:41 +0100 Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] New IESG agenda code deployed Thread-Index: AcmIKS8T3utqmKqLSPaH15DaPv4jpQAAryoQ Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E792D1FD@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E792D1AC@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2009 07:31:36.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1494820:01C9882C] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New IESG agenda code deployed X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 07:32:14 -0000 Pekka Savola wrote: > This is less useful than the previous one to 'mere mortals' -- the > URL to web ballot in the previous version pointed to the public side > of the datatracker (so you could see ongoing votes, comments, etc.). > Now it points to the IESG internal page that requires > authentication. That was not intentional, and will be fixed ASAP. Thanks for reporting the bug! Henrik: I've just committed changeset 1309 to the sprint/73/pasi branch, with updated templates/iesg/agenda_doc.html and templates/ iesg/agenda_wg.html (and no other changes). Could you merge those to the 2.00 branch, please? (Probably we should wait for couple of days before shipping the release, if there are other bugs.) Best regards, Pasi From lars.eggert@nokia.com Thu Feb 5 23:36:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC2F3A6AAF for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:36:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1wr2ZHCIQdaq for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F5E3A69EF for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs95065.pp.htv.fi (cs95065.pp.htv.fi [212.90.95.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n167aIgc070150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:36:18 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert To: Elwyn Davies In-Reply-To: <498B417A.6040807@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:36:18 +0200 References: <498B417A.6040807@dial.pipex.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (mail.fit.nokia.com [212.213.221.39]); Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:36:18 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8959/Fri Feb 6 07:58:05 2009 on fit.nokia.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Gerald Ash , IETF Tools Discuss Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Possible bug when extracting author info from drafts X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 07:36:30 -0000 Hi, this is usually due to errors in the metadata database maintained by the secretariat, and you should email them. The XML reference descriptions for xml2rfc are generated based on secretariat data, I believe. Lars On 2009-2-5, at 21:43, Elwyn Davies wrote: > Hi. > > An aggrieved author contacted me to say that I had left his name out > of > a reference to this draft > https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/draft-ietf-nsis-qspec/ in a > draft I > just submitted (draft-ietf-nsis-ext-00). > > Having checked up, it appears that although the draft text clearly has > four authors only three names/email addresses appear on the I-D data > page and the generated bibliographic reference used by xml2rfc also > has > only the same three out of four authors. > > Any ideas? > > I noted that the said aggrieved author only specifies a name and email > address with no organisation or other contact details. > > Regards, > Elwyn > > PS > Is the system discriminating against retired authors? > Signed, > Another (semi-)retired author. > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Feb 6 01:35:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282613A6B18 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 01:35:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.932 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.932 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.333, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LYg5t4No2WMY for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 01:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484023A67F1 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 01:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id F2E8A386C7; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:35:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A908E3806D; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:35:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31C137E4E; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:35:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57861 helo=chardonnay.local) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LVN7f-0007PU-6c; Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:35:43 +0100 Message-ID: <498C046E.7070403@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:35:42 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E792D1AC@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E792D1FD@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E792D1FD@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, pekkas@netcore.fi, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: pekkas@netcore.fi, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New IESG agenda code deployed X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:35:45 -0000 On 2009-02-06 08:31 Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com said the following: > Pekka Savola wrote: >=20 >> This is less useful than the previous one to 'mere mortals' -- the >> URL to web ballot in the previous version pointed to the public side >> of the datatracker (so you could see ongoing votes, comments, etc.). >> Now it points to the IESG internal page that requires >> authentication. >=20 > That was not intentional, and will be fixed ASAP. Thanks for > reporting the bug! >=20 > Henrik: I've just committed changeset 1309 to the sprint/73/pasi > branch, with updated templates/iesg/agenda_doc.html and templates/ > iesg/agenda_wg.html (and no other changes). >=20 > Could you merge those to the 2.00 branch, please? Will do. > (Probably we should wait for couple of days before shipping the > release, if there are other bugs.) Ok. Best, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Feb 6 02:43:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B545E3A6BB7 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 02:43:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cNKTpTgDE-KV for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 02:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0F828C0E5 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 02:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:54544) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LVO82-0008MA-ST; Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:40:11 +0100 Message-ID: <498C1389.50608@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:40:09 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E792D1AC@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E792D1FD@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <498C046E.7070403@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <498C046E.7070403@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig01316EBC7A146ECB3C8B4177" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, pekkas@netcore.fi, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: pekkas@netcore.fi, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New IESG agenda code deployed X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:43:23 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig01316EBC7A146ECB3C8B4177 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pasi, On 2009-02-06 10:35 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: > On 2009-02-06 08:31 Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com said the following: >> Pekka Savola wrote: >> >>> This is less useful than the previous one to 'mere mortals' -- the >>> URL to web ballot in the previous version pointed to the public side >>> of the datatracker (so you could see ongoing votes, comments, etc.). >>> Now it points to the IESG internal page that requires >>> authentication. >> That was not intentional, and will be fixed ASAP. Thanks for >> reporting the bug! >> >> Henrik: I've just committed changeset 1309 to the sprint/73/pasi >> branch, with updated templates/iesg/agenda_doc.html and templates/ >> iesg/agenda_wg.html (and no other changes). >> >> Could you merge those to the 2.00 branch, please? >=20 > Will do. Now merged to branch/2.00 as r1310. >> (Probably we should wait for couple of days before shipping the >> release, if there are other bugs.) >=20 > Ok. Just FYI: Cutting a release and shipping is one command and less than a minute CPU time at my end, and about the same at Glen's end. So we don't really have to be too frugal about releases. Best, Henrik --------------enig01316EBC7A146ECB3C8B4177 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAkmME4kACgkQeVhrtTJkXCNqWQCgr+L5wHygshlRs36CKg84Y3Th 6zYAmQGMudsUahG5ZGkZJPje2h7YBPlF =SpQV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig01316EBC7A146ECB3C8B4177-- From fluffy@cisco.com Sun Feb 8 09:29:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDAF3A69A4; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 09:29:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.573 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RTlqSslImuCY; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 09:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE343A69A0; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 09:29:58 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,400,1231113600"; d="scan'208";a="245287782" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Feb 2009 17:30:03 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n18HU35L029531; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 09:30:03 -0800 Received: from [192.168.4.177] (rcdn-fluffy-8711.cisco.com [10.99.9.18]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n18HU29C027668; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:30:02 GMT Message-Id: <66A692DD-C7AD-4178-AB91-7116D9051A06@cisco.com> From: Cullen Jennings To: Tools Discuss , IESG IESG Impp: xmpp:cullenfluffyjennings@jabber.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:30:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=68; t=1234114203; x=1234978203; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fluffy@cisco.com; z=From:=20Cullen=20Jennings=20 |Subject:=20Something=20seems=20wrong=20with=20ietf.org=20w ebsite=20 |Sender:=20; bh=MzQCPE+M80i9sfkA5/Eognyc8vL/q5XE+sPDPRFzibQ=; b=IKBqYw44CtL/K593i5pyDv+xY7zvIf7Svl+s4UmQHPeCezzFLL6xBqBn6m otxqWVtiFhvBIY7IYMont92ZbGsugdOSvZtfXVMmKyzS02WQGs+RIa/mjPyl /3u1W4lFEn; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=fluffy@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); Subject: [Tools-discuss] Something seems wrong with ietf.org website X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:29:59 -0000 (BCC'd the iesg-secretary ) It is insanely slow for me today. From henrik@levkowetz.com Sun Feb 8 10:11:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F723A6AA2; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:11:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.849 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.849 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pIORZXl936HC; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.180]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FBA3A6931; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id A7432380F7; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:11:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD7738081; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:11:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A692D37E43; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:11:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59323 helo=chardonnay.local) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LWE88-0001lO-Sz; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:11:45 +0100 Message-ID: <498F2060.5040208@levkowetz.com> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:11:44 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cullen Jennings References: <66A692DD-C7AD-4178-AB91-7116D9051A06@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <66A692DD-C7AD-4178-AB91-7116D9051A06@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig0D029B8AFFFAF8454792233C" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: fluffy@cisco.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org, glen@amsl.com, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: IESG IESG , Tools Discuss , Glen Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Something seems wrong with ietf.org website X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:11:45 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig0D029B8AFFFAF8454792233C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2009-02-08 18:30 Cullen Jennings said the following: > (BCC'd the iesg-secretary ) >=20 > It is insanely slow for me today. I see ~ 0.5 to 1 second response times to page or image requests, which seems to match the load of the box, which is varying around 0.5 to 1. (If you see something very different than this, then the rest of this note doesn't matter...) This is not a heavy load, but it's nevertheless more than I'm used to seeing. The top CPU consumers seem mostly to be virus scanning processes, so it could be that there's uncommonly much spam coming in which require spam scanning rather than just going through postconfirm confirmation handling= =2E Also, I see that the number of mailman commands I see which are flagged as spam seems very high at the moment, which points in the same direction= =2E Henrik --------------enig0D029B8AFFFAF8454792233C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAkmPIGAACgkQeVhrtTJkXCMJNACgxOKSpNFfn+hNjRcaur4ovvTH iCoAoPFURgcAJnFJTF3O5mQrDwIYwy6B =7vp1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig0D029B8AFFFAF8454792233C-- From glen@amsl.com Sun Feb 8 11:22:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E4B3A6A6F; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:22:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.057, BAYES_05=-1.11, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AOYdGu2bb38D; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6413A68AE; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8378E31A73B; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:22:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (core2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u+dXsPyDa0Wo; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:22:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (unknown [173.8.133.94]) by core2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2527D31A73C; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:22:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <498F30FD.7040407@amsl.com> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:22:37 -0800 From: Glen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cullen Jennings , IESG , Tools Discuss , Henrik Levkowetz References: <498F2060.5040208@levkowetz.com> <1FA2C284-127F-4A11-8571-22D5E3002B04@amsl.com> <498F286F.7050201@amsl.com> <123467AB-849B-44EA-90C6-A5FB52BDC78C@amsl.com> <498F2A30.8000105@amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <498F2A30.8000105@amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Something seems wrong with ietf.org website X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:22:33 -0000 > It is insanely slow for me today. I'm not seeing anything from here. I am only 20 miles away from the server center, of course, but pages for me are loading pretty much instantaneously. (I am not on these mailing lists, so I wouldn't have known about this had Henrik not cc'ed me on his response, but by the time I checked in, everything seemed to be running nice and fast again.) Glen From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Sun Feb 8 12:33:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A683A69AC; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:33:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.077, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fsBdfrPdWWvC; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2443A68AE; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so1457341rvf.49 for ; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:33:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cV9N1cIYkmuiagByQ/BQNuiiojQuzLhJQGCojXhNG/4=; b=m+nJbCu7alwap142XcD1tND2r7rjGK0wJJ6qHZyvQnuvcrRIOhCUSlUplbn1rVQ7f2 ZAZgNrRrBNZt02f7IuD7rTy/B4Lfslg5RistRopXq+wTlVPEuwU3ngdtEhZu2NgptEgg EM/UOZmd6AYSUn3l6aRqep7YUkf8cA13Kw+tA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bkQKNJIDgE82ViBEIgHHHYpJ4PIv0BE8LemaICB/jJhCHv7FltuSHW/FbaM0N8libu rL92U0+ASlov/LvDkEAydWA81q7ZuAETr3LcybLEp3+ciRVeuzpl7oOoWWuWAdrIRNwu bOhu9UT62MZKiRkFkoohUesIPoVyu38UKfXD0= Received: by 10.140.157.4 with SMTP id f4mr1505280rve.17.1234125228965; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?130.216.38.124? (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b8sm13304900rvf.1.2009.02.08.12.33.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:33:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <498F41A4.6080509@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:33:40 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cullen Jennings References: <66A692DD-C7AD-4178-AB91-7116D9051A06@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <66A692DD-C7AD-4178-AB91-7116D9051A06@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IESG IESG , Tools Discuss Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Something seems wrong with ietf.org website X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:33:46 -0000 It's just fine from Auckland (at 20:31 UTC on Sunday, i.e. 12:31 p.m. PST). I am using IPv6. Brian On 2009-02-09 06:30, Cullen Jennings wrote: > > (BCC'd the iesg-secretary ) > > It is insanely slow for me today. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From fluffy@cisco.com Sun Feb 8 14:32:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E283A68B8; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:32:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.573 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bpkLjbtQ6Y4y; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:32:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32973A6878; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:32:57 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,401,1231113600"; d="scan'208";a="129780094" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Feb 2009 22:33:00 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n18MX0Yf029600; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:33:00 -0800 Received: from [192.168.4.177] (rcdn-fluffy-8711.cisco.com [10.99.9.18]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n18MWxpR029608; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:32:59 GMT From: Cullen Jennings To: "Brian E Carpenter" In-Reply-To: <498F41A4.6080509@gmail.com> Impp: xmpp:cullenfluffyjennings@jabber.org References: <66A692DD-C7AD-4178-AB91-7116D9051A06@cisco.com> <498F41A4.6080509@gmail.com> Message-Id: <0BF9EF31-DF10-44CF-B883-BBC54B134E66@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:32:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=740; t=1234132380; x=1234996380; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fluffy@cisco.com; z=From:=20Cullen=20Jennings=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[Tools-discuss]=20Something=20seems=20w rong=20with=20ietf.org=20website |Sender:=20; bh=EwjWXJyI4DL5RpyZ72/m72nYOBNca4PhU2S2Jhlwdxs=; b=IJKlkqQZPgz88aTwruYaNaRiSvuuw67ny5h/Jef3YgZcu5OHmS9lmEy0B9 sC52+x/JJOnJVSkK8DV9TyEUK5rJgdJnOaGycpl2oQ0Ke/xbg1CQ5DuKKRuX 0+vnLMyy4N; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=fluffy@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Cc: IESG IESG , Tools Discuss Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Something seems wrong with ietf.org website X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:32:58 -0000 Working fine for me now. At the time I sent my previous email, it was taking 15 to 30 seconds to load the front page at http:// www.ietf.org/. It's certainly possible that the weirdness was happening on the Cisco network. On Feb 8, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > It's just fine from Auckland (at 20:31 UTC on Sunday, i.e. 12:31 > p.m. PST). > > I am using IPv6. > > Brian > > On 2009-02-09 06:30, Cullen Jennings wrote: > > > > (BCC'd the iesg-secretary ) > > > > It is insanely slow for me today. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list > > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > From lars.eggert@nokia.com Mon Feb 9 04:57:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E85F28C10A for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 04:57:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P7-Df7qDCif7 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 04:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1773128C117 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 04:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp150.dagstuhl.de (dhcp150.dagstuhl.de [192.76.146.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n19Cv9lb073105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:57:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: <5EB251AE-933E-45F5-9284-EFF26CDA4791@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert To: Eronen Pasi (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki) In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E792D1AC@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-122-326470152; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:57:04 +0100 References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E792D1AC@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (mail.fit.nokia.com [212.213.221.39]); Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:57:10 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8967/Mon Feb 9 10:38:55 2009 on fit.nokia.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New IESG agenda code deployed X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:57:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail-122-326470152 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, On 2009-2-6, at 7:59, Eronen Pasi (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki) wrote: > Also, if you have tools that "screen scrape" this page, you > may want to check them . mine broke :-) The new agenda doesn't have document version numbers anymore, which makes it difficult to figure out which version of a document is actually being balloted - can they be added back? (Usually, it's the most recent version, but sometimes authors rev the doc during IESG Evaluation.) 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2009 13:42:07.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[335DA670:01C98ABC] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New IESG agenda code deployed X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:42:41 -0000 Lars Eggert wrote: > > Also, if you have tools that "screen scrape" this page, you > > may want to check them . > > mine broke :-) > > The new agenda doesn't have document version numbers anymore, which > makes it difficult to figure out which version of a document is > actually being balloted - can they be added back? (Usually, it's the > most recent version, but sometimes authors rev the doc during IESG > Evaluation.) Even the old agenda page always showed the most recent version number (at the time when the cron job was run) -- in the database, the ballot is for a draft, not specific version of the draft. But I didn't actually intentionally remove the version number, and in the sprint/73/pasi branch I was using for testing, it *does* show the version number. It seems the version number was removed (not only from this page, but many others too) by your CSS changes in changeset 1255 (file idtracker/models.py, method InternetDrafts.displayname). Since the version number on this page doesn't really provide much information, I guess we could leave it as is? (BTW, one other change in changeset 1255 was linking to HTML versions on tools.ietf.org instead of ASCII versions on www.ietf.org. I'm OK either way -- but it seems I need to figure out how to merge the changes since IETF73 to my testing branch so these don't come as surprises :-) Best regards, Pasi From lars.eggert@nokia.com Mon Feb 9 05:59:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656AC3A6AED for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 05:59:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15NrobOTjbXR for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 05:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6583A67AE for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 05:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp150.dagstuhl.de (dhcp150.dagstuhl.de [192.76.146.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n19DxOTA073742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:59:25 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert To: Eronen Pasi (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki) In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E7972A97@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-125-330204645; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:59:18 +0100 References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E792D1AC@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <5EB251AE-933E-45F5-9284-EFF26CDA4791@nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727E7972A97@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (mail.fit.nokia.com [212.213.221.39]); Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:59:26 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8967/Mon Feb 9 10:38:55 2009 on fit.nokia.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New IESG agenda code deployed X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:59:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail-125-330204645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, On 2009-2-9, at 14:42, Eronen Pasi (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki) wrote: > Even the old agenda page always showed the most recent version number > (at the time when the cron job was run) -- in the database, the ballot > is for a draft, not specific version of the draft. ah, that was broken as well. > But I didn't actually intentionally remove the version number, and in > the sprint/73/pasi branch I was using for testing, it *does* show the > version number. It seems the version number was removed (not only from > this page, but many others too) by your CSS changes in changeset 1255 > (file idtracker/models.py, method InternetDrafts.displayname). Hm. I think I made that change, because in the idtracker "core" pages, revision numbers are shown in separate column or field, and they were redundant. In retrospect, we probably want to fix this in a different way. Something to do during the code sprint. > Since the version number on this page doesn't really provide much > information, I guess we could leave it as is? We could; then I need to tweak my screen-scraper to figure out which drafts to download for review based on something else. > (BTW, one other change in changeset 1255 was linking to HTML versions > on tools.ietf.org instead of ASCII versions on www.ietf.org. That's a good change. Oh - if you linked to both the HTML and the text, then I had a hook for my screenscraper... > I'm OK > either way -- but it seems I need to figure out how to merge the > changes since IETF73 to my testing branch so these don't come as > surprises :-) Lars --Apple-Mail-125-330204645 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGQDCCAvkw ggJioAMCAQICEEi7WbMMKa2GLKFpQDaOBQEwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA4MDgyMzE3NDMzOVoXDTA5MDgyMzE3NDMz OVowXDEPMA0GA1UEBBMGRWdnZXJ0MQ0wCwYDVQQqEwRMYXJzMRQwEgYDVQQDEwtMYXJzIEVnZ2Vy dDEkMCIGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYVbGFycy5lZ2dlcnRAbm9raWEuY29tMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEF AAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAlwQVktJZCY89iU6jcW1XnZQN+aMgF2utCUT3H3ZKB5Jbet1SDWt0md/W 571bHjxtn9CfEJdochNL3l9f1WiJNdVbJ182557Ltx9SojqthpqtA0jKEqo2gqrf+raUj1demmo0 6ocsLqv046CrwidOp6k0RAfvkKPLhD4PD9Nk3oaZuxqBz1wY4u8Q83iWMArDeXiQxfNZnOBz5cDs VvVjTjitm3VANkbD02tNkwl5AHw7htde4yH8hIwlfzqsAtHBEah3HyOvs9b+gHg2pFz9eS+HuotY ZKycCweRs8NKXoCg+zAkVYi3zvZEH2VOuPlpMQMrB9+fLWg2UBsTeZ864wIDAQABozIwMDAgBgNV HREEGTAXgRVsYXJzLmVnZ2VydEBub2tpYS5jb20wDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUF AAOBgQBMdV2U+ryV5t3nuBFH19XKflodN6Bc60GBYHHY/Z0+Cl08Q75qzTt02IILBg+/YVh/fygb 6pFrOm1sFtLN7fENBfbO2VtpFjP2lGUgbXTVT5xGM6+MtqZiBI6LqexAeY6gsd/taoUfy9fZG42d ciBA9gSGlQjjWQyG8mb5HR8L9jCCAz8wggKooAMCAQICAQ0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgdExCzAJ BgNVBAYTAlpBMRUwEwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93bjEaMBgG A1UEChMRVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcxKDAmBgNVBAsTH0NlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gU2VydmljZXMg RGl2aXNpb24xJDAiBgNVBAMTG1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBDQTErMCkGCSqGSIb3 DQEJARYccGVyc29uYWwtZnJlZW1haWxAdGhhd3RlLmNvbTAeFw0wMzA3MTcwMDAwMDBaFw0xMzA3 MTYyMzU5NTlaMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5 KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQTCBnzAN BgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAxKY8VXNV+065yplaHmjAdQRwnd/p/6Me7L3N9VvyGna9 fww6YfK/Uc4B1OVQCjDXAmNaLIkVcI7dyfArhVqqP3FWy688Cwfn8R+RNiQqE88r1fOCdz0Dviv+ uxg+B79AgAJk16emu59l0cUqVIUPSAR/p7bRPGEEQB5kGXJgt/sCAwEAAaOBlDCBkTASBgNVHRMB Af8ECDAGAQH/AgEAMEMGA1UdHwQ8MDowOKA2oDSGMmh0dHA6Ly9jcmwudGhhd3RlLmNvbS9UaGF3 dGVQZXJzb25hbEZyZWVtYWlsQ0EuY3JsMAsGA1UdDwQEAwIBBjApBgNVHREEIjAgpB4wHDEaMBgG A1UEAxMRUHJpdmF0ZUxhYmVsMi0xMzgwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQADgYEASIzRUIPqCy7MDaNmrGcP f6+svsIXoUOWlJ1/TCG4+DYfqi2fNi/A9BxQIJNwPP2t4WFiw9k6GX6EsZkbAMUaC4J0niVQlGLH 2ydxVyWN3amcOY6MIE9lX5Xa9/eH1sYITq726jTlEBpbNU1341YheILcIRk13iSx0x1G/11fZU8x ggMQMIIDDAIBATB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAo UHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQ SLtZswwprYYsoWlANo4FATAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBbzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcB MBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wOTAyMDkxMzU5MTlaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBQCVDOhamIECsIc nJVLFUQ6Ia0l6zCBhQYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMXgwdjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECEEi7WbMMKa2GLKFpQDaOBQEwgYcGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMXigdjBiMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UE AxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECEEi7WbMMKa2GLKFpQDaOBQEw DQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggEAV5Tf36nEL9Bw6SBczb9e/1jyHxM2Qg0hpKqKLhNRc+8Y8td4k8eV 5B5dqvEK5yl3ehdgDLHm1YVxZwNWyAW43oME8xizTkxoIvRCjbGO5QQTrkKV0qTCiTOmDkhYubU9 MujUZzAs4d/ffJv3k99ELy/voce71I6lxEV8BUp4GtkOE/MgvCaZd0ohO7C6GcJB9pDnXLe+tk53 dXC4Fokn8iK6HCyn/RtB68yHwzZ2NcGIWYricjMvy4rcbJujcslGb75l9BhN2kBquKnJXZrajlBX tfEW0D3sfgTMZKaUzGYeCsh9vb97Zd5CPeWaODVeKgtCIsou2AbRPVFVNEK08AAAAAAAAA== --Apple-Mail-125-330204645-- From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Tue Feb 10 19:10:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2350A3A6CFA for ; 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(118-93-172-33.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz [118.93.172.33]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g14sm10146621rvb.1.2009.02.10.19.10.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:10:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4992418D.70408@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:10:05 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] cloud/silverLining X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 03:10:01 -0000 The latter part of this has some valid comments IMNSHO about user experience with the IETF web site. Brian -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Ah, I see the cause of the situation now... (tls-authz situation) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:01:36 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland To: Robinson Tryon CC: ietf@ietf.org References: <789dbae90902101312r39cc798fge9e74c14d0b011df@mail.gmail.com> On 2009-02-11 11:44, Robinson Tryon wrote: ... > > I read parts of the document. Then I went to RedPhone's license page > (http://redphonesecurity.com/license.htm) and tried to read their > license -- it's pretty complicated, including language such as > "RedPhone Security will grant royalty-free licenses...to make and use > the Protocol generally, while at the same time retaining certain > rights to...[certain] control methods defined herein." The license > document is beyond the understanding of regular people, and the finer > details of it are probably accessible only to lawyers. I don't think that is specific to this license. They are often very hard to read, and of course so are the underlying patents. My view is the IETF's procedures are aimed at avoiding the need to analyze such legal language within the IETF, but there's no doubt this is a burden for implementors. However, that's a political and economic problem, that can hardly be tackled by pin-pricks applied to a standards community that has to live with existing law just as much as the free software community does. > > I have to admit that I get a bit lost on the IETF website, too. This > (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07) appears > to be the primary page about the draft standard, Not really. This being a non-Working Group draft, there's no WG page to look at. So really you need to look for in the Internet-Drafts status tracker. Any idiot knows that can be found at https://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/ ;-) Let me try that again. It's still hard to find the tracker if you don't know where to look for it, starting from the IETF home page. It's actually buried in the IESG Activities page. So, at the relevant page in the tracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/draft-housley-tls-authz-extns/ you can see the whole history of this draft since the original publication request in April 2006. > however I don't see a > link on that page to IPR disclosures, comments, or legal analysis. If No, the disclosures have to found separately from the IPR disclosure page. Actually, adding a link from the tracker to the relevant disclosures sounds like a Good Idea. Comments (except for ones in the tracker) have to be found in the email archives. It's an old gripe of mine that we don't somehow track all comments on a given draft in a systematic way, but it's hard to do that when comments arrive with oddball subjects like "Keep Standards Open", which would defeat pretty much any robotic sorting. As already noted, the IETF doesn't do legal analysis. Of course, you may find some (amateur) legal analysis in the email. > there could be a single page for a given draft that would include > links to all relevant versions, IPR disclosures, comments on the > draft, etc..., I think that it might be easier for both long term IETF > members and regular people to understand and participate in the > standardization process. If comments were more tightly coupled to > drafts, IETF members could focus on drafts they found interesting and > filter out emails pertaining to drafts in which they held no interest. That's all true. It turns out to be a pretty challenging IT problem though. I think your comments are good input for the IETF Tools team. 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(stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm1246387wfc.29.2009.02.12.18.45.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:45:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4994DEB5.8080706@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:45:09 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: Re: DATATRACKER visibility and LC announcements] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 02:45:03 -0000 Forwarded with permission from Alfred Hoenes: ------------------------------------------------------ Brian, thanks for your response ... > > Alfred, > > > > Thanks. The hidden issue here is the somewhat uneasy relationship > > between the tools.ietf.org pages (which are maintained by volunteers)= > > and the main *.ietf.org pages (which are maintained by the paid > > secretariat). Smooth integration between the two is quite hard > > to achieve, not because of ill-will but just for practical reasons > > (different style of working, etc.). Apparently, day-to-day IESG operations already rely on the Tools servers so heavily that reliance opon them for temporally limited workflows like IETF Last Calls would not change the circumstances significantly. According to my experience, the Tools servers are operated and maintained in a very flexible manner and highly adaptive to evolving user requirements, much more than the contracted Sectretariat services ever will be able. Directing reviewers to the Tools servers during LC should not incur time-criticality, because any draft subject to LC announcement already should have been published some time before, and entered the Dataracker in state "Publication Requested" also some time before. :-) > > With your permission, I would like to forward your message to > > the tools-discuss list. ... Please feel free to do so, ... but please first read on ... maybe you will consider that OBE to some degree. :-) > > ... In fact you could consider joining that > > list; as far as I know, it's open to all. > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > Regards > > Brian Carpenter > > University of Auckland > > > > > > On 2009-02-12 02:49, Alfred H=EF=BF=BDnes wrote: >> >> Brian, >> >> this message is sent in response to a remark in your posting to the= >> >> IETF general discussion list archived at >> >> http://www.IETF.ORG/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg55524.htm= l , >> >> where you mention the lack of visibility of the IETF Datatracker. >> >> >> >> Apparently you have overlooked that the links you are calling for, >> >> pointing to the Datatracker page pertaining to a draft, already >> >> exist where they can be expected: >> >> >> >> For instance, the draft page you also are pointing at explicitely, >> >> http://tools.IETF.ORG/html/draft-housley-tls-authz-extns-07 , >> >> like all HTML-ized I-D pages at http://tools.ietf.org/html/ >> >> pertaining to a draft (already) progressed far enough, >> >> in fact already *does* contain (in its topmost line of hyperlinks) >> >> a link to the proper Datatracker page for that draft. >> >> >> >> I concur with your observation that the visibility of (non-IESG) >> >> comments in the datatracker pages is rather poor. >> >> >> >> >> >> As a private opinion, I would like to add that it's a pity that >> >> the IETF Tools pages do not serve as the 'primary' reference for >> >> I-Ds; it's still the 'primary I-D repository' at www.IETF.ORG that >> >> only contains the last version of a draft (or its 'tombstone' file >> >> for an expired draft) which is used in many places, including IETF >> >> LC announcements. (Please regard this note as also supporting your= >> >> past efforts to overcome the ossified procedural rules of the IETF >> >> as laid down in RFC 2026 et al., and to give a more realistic and >> >> up-to-date representation of the procedures as applied in reality.)= >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Alfred H=EF=BF=BDnes. After sending this above message to you, I decided to go one step further and posted the following message to the IESG and the IETF main list. Since I'm not on the IETF main list (for reasons you easily might guess ... :-) ), it is subject to moderation, and from checking the list archive, it looks like it has not passed yet. To let you know about it quickly, here it is attached: ---------- posted message ----------- > > From: "Alfred H=EF=BF=BDnes" > > To: iesg@ietf.org > > Cc: ietf@ietf.org > > Message-Id: <200902111417.PAA11074@TR-Sys.de> > > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:17:45 +0100 (MEZ) > > Subject: LC announcements -- lessons to be learned? Hello all, as a result of the recent avalanche of messages on the IETF General Discussion list, I suggest to apply the following two changes to IETF LC announcements: (a) To better qualify the action expected, replace the clause: | ... Please send substantive comments to ... by: | ... Please read this document and send substantive comments to ... (b) To simplify the resource pointers, and thereby better guide readers to more information available online regarding the subject draft, replace the trailing clauses following the pattern: | The file can be obtained via | http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xxx-yyy-zzz-nn.txt | | IESG discussion can be tracked via | https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?... by simply: | The draft and related information (including IESG discussion) can be | obtained via: | http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xxx-yyy-zzz-nn [[ If you prefer, the parenthetical clause could be elided as well. ]] Rationale: Any serious IETF participant that prefers direct access to the text version of the draft file will be able to translate the above link to the corresponding URL pointing to the I-D (mirror) archive of its personal preference, and infrequent participants are expected to appreciate the HTML-ized version generated by the IETF Tools servers. It should be noted that the Tools pages following the above URI pattern -- beyond containing a link to the related Datatracker page -- also contain a pointer to the responsible WG pages (if any) and offer the whole history of the draft under consideration. Best regards, Alfred H=EF=BF=BDnes. ---------- end of posted message -------- I also had forwarded that message to Henrik Levkowetz with a short explanation, and he replied: > > From: Henrik Levkowetz > > To: "Alfred H=EF=BF=BDnes" > > In-Reply-To: <200902111430.PAA11096@TR-Sys.de> > > References: <200902111430.PAA11096@TR-Sys.de> > > Message-Id: <4993026A.9080001@levkowetz.com> > > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:52:58 +0100 > > Subject: Re: LC announcements -- lessons to be learned? (fwd) > > > > Hi Alfred, > > > > On 2009-02-11 15:30 Alfred said the following: >> >> Henrik, >> >> >> >> FYI -- I just have posted a message that -- iff proposal (b) >> >> is going to be applied -- might increase the load on, and the >> >> importance of, the IETF Tools servers. >> >> I hope that would not be perceived as trouble. :-) > > > > Nope, they are there to be used. I don't think the added load > > should cause any kind of trouble. > > > > Best, > > Henrik > > > > >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Alfred. > > > > > > ------- ... Kind regards again, Alfred. +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ From rjsparks@nostrum.com Mon Feb 16 07:36:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F1C28C111 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:36:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FCnbTa1vphN5 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:36:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ABAA28C101 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from dn3-232.estacado.net (vicuna-alt.estacado.net [75.53.54.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n1GFara4061449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:36:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Message-Id: <393D5FFE-48A6-4740-877C-1A716BF68A05@nostrum.com> From: Robert Sparks To: Tools Discuss Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:36:52 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 75.53.54.121 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8995/Sun Feb 15 21:40:05 2009 on shaman.nostrum.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [Tools-discuss] IETF74 Code Sprint X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:36:47 -0000 Our next code-sprint will be Saturday March 21 before the IETF meeting in San Francisco. See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF74Sprint for the current thinking for the sprint. If you can make it, please add yourself to the signup page, brainstorm new ideas, and help refine the plan. Thanks! RjS From dwing@cisco.com Tue Feb 17 14:47:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2E93A6AC0 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:47:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_53=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yo1TfuTWy643 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5C63A6862 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:47:07 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,225,1233532800"; d="scan'208";a="132772058" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2009 22:47:19 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n1HMlJWK019229 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:47:19 -0800 Received: from dwingwxp01 ([10.32.240.194]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1HMlI5X006971 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:47:18 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:47:18 -0800 Message-ID: <072c01c99151$b007ced0$c2f0200a@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcmRUa/aAsz4pdlvQHmxpm6gHtp37g== X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=395; t=1234910839; x=1235774839; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=dwing@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Dan=20Wing=22=20 |Subject:=20wine=20tastes=20softening?=20=20(zinfandel.tool s.ietf.org=20down) |Sender:=20; bh=kCoUIquu0Xr5PoQOKhZRKAixGOZ4YxJvGdK+AChiCJg=; b=JBvtpO8ZG4Oe7baNNiJflivFEzKl/Rth2EynTuJYPI9qjM63gBUxL7Lql4 TnvTWvtBW8G6nkGOmD88LKv8Z9eB3A4HPqDfiyGXuL0gbpUTeHkN0b2UwHZq j0Q3Qz0a5Q; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=dwing@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); Subject: [Tools-discuss] wine tastes softening? (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org down) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:47:08 -0000 Rsync'ing to rsync.tools.ietf.org (which CNAMEs to zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) hasn't worked for me for a few weeks so today I tried rsync'ing with merlot.tools.ietf.org -- and merlot worked fine. If this is going to persist could the instructions at http://tools.ietf.org be revised or the CNAME for rsync.tools.ietf.org be pointed to merlot? (Sorry if I missed this discussion.) -d From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Feb 18 04:56:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646C53A6A33 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:56:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.299, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_53=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kOia608e+tlL for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757943A69EA for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:63733) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZlyl-0008C9-88; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:56:43 +0100 Message-ID: <499C058A.6030300@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:56:42 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Wing References: <072c01c99151$b007ced0$c2f0200a@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <072c01c99151$b007ced0$c2f0200a@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dwing@cisco.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] wine tastes softening? (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org down) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:56:33 -0000 Hi Dan, On 2009-02-17 23:47 Dan Wing said the following: > Rsync'ing to rsync.tools.ietf.org (which CNAMEs to zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) > hasn't worked for me for a few weeks so today I tried rsync'ing with > merlot.tools.ietf.org -- and merlot worked fine. > > If this is going to persist could the instructions at http://tools.ietf.org be > revised or the CNAME for rsync.tools.ietf.org be pointed to merlot? It's a bug that it doesn't work, and I'll look at it right away. Best, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Feb 18 05:08:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A6F3A6843 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:08:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.225 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.225 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.224, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_53=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08zimk3XAKob for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:08:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DB63A6C86 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:08:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:63767) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZmAA-0000P6-5i; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:08:30 +0100 Message-ID: <499C084D.6010200@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:08:29 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Wing References: <072c01c99151$b007ced0$c2f0200a@cisco.com> <499C058A.6030300@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <499C058A.6030300@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dwing@cisco.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] wine tastes softening? (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org down) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:08:22 -0000 Hi again, On 2009-02-18 13:56 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: > Hi Dan, > > On 2009-02-17 23:47 Dan Wing said the following: >> Rsync'ing to rsync.tools.ietf.org (which CNAMEs to zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) >> hasn't worked for me for a few weeks so today I tried rsync'ing with >> merlot.tools.ietf.org -- and merlot worked fine. >> >> If this is going to persist could the instructions at http://tools.ietf.org be >> revised or the CNAME for rsync.tools.ietf.org be pointed to merlot? > > It's a bug that it doesn't work, and I'll look at it right away. Fixed! Henrik From dwing@cisco.com Wed Feb 18 08:30:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375A33A6AA6 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:30:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.256 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.256 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.257, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_53=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B1EUfE6SUQqO for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:30:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3627A3A685A for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:30:05 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,230,1233532800"; d="scan'208";a="252003355" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2009 16:30:17 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n1IGUH8i004717; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:30:17 -0800 Received: from dwingwxp01 ([10.32.240.194]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1IGUH1K019635; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:30:17 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: "'Henrik Levkowetz'" References: <072c01c99151$b007ced0$c2f0200a@cisco.com> <499C058A.6030300@levkowetz.com> <499C084D.6010200@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:30:17 -0800 Message-ID: <00ef01c991e6$2f1487b0$c2f0200a@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcmRygA6pMvk76LlS1eaEVXOj/IZ4AAHCQ8w In-Reply-To: <499C084D.6010200@levkowetz.com> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=926; t=1234974617; x=1235838617; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=dwing@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Dan=20Wing=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[Tools-discuss]=20wine=20tastes=20softe ning?=20(zinfandel.tools.ietf.org=20down) |Sender:=20; bh=Srw2MUdPHxnBxQhGp3mGiBg7d9svk0EddW5e9TM0XGk=; b=BqaOglzu4xAgTR+oJuxXG3K4bf7pXYGsMLT6J+7POgdvSft8dso3oRmuDR Ijr8fLR522vBnbg03NKB/zv8tL9LBpWUHLXhMKM7BYVZbbzR6C1U27qAkAe5 DgC5IQnSBd; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=dwing@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] wine tastes softening? (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org down) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:30:06 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:08 AM > To: Dan Wing > Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] wine tastes softening? > (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org down) > > Hi again, > > On 2009-02-18 13:56 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: > > Hi Dan, > > > > On 2009-02-17 23:47 Dan Wing said the following: > >> Rsync'ing to rsync.tools.ietf.org (which CNAMEs to > zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) > >> hasn't worked for me for a few weeks so today I tried > rsync'ing with > >> merlot.tools.ietf.org -- and merlot worked fine. > >> > >> If this is going to persist could the instructions at > http://tools.ietf.org be > >> revised or the CNAME for rsync.tools.ietf.org be pointed to merlot? > > > > It's a bug that it doesn't work, and I'll look at it right away. > > Fixed! Thanks! -d From fred@cisco.com Wed Feb 18 11:34:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297BB3A6917 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:34:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.212, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_53=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FC-kTlSFDcY8 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:34:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470193A677D for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:34:38 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,230,1233532800"; d="scan'208";a="252142933" Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2009 19:34:50 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n1IJYoL3008716 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:34:50 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1IJYoZe029298 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:34:50 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:34:50 -0800 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-221.cisco.com ([10.32.244.221]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:34:50 -0800 Message-Id: From: Fred Baker To: Dan Wing In-Reply-To: <072c01c99151$b007ced0$c2f0200a@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:34:48 -0800 References: <072c01c99151$b007ced0$c2f0200a@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2009 19:34:50.0325 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6FD4050:01C991FF] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=701; t=1234985690; x=1235849690; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:=20Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[Tools-discuss]=20wine=20tastes=20softe ning?=20(zinfandel.tools.ietf.org=20down) |Sender:=20; bh=LE+AKEyLzc3/7rKVn8o9x2azo0z13EuZ7msML+4qLdc=; b=g9mjlKrL4bQJFMgWh2aqPXSH+dHOfQyy4pwlZrfruIWYrnzltJiQQ3gnnC OPXDnuj7ZEFtf2IcOKSelOKjy8MfMJsDcknqkXoZvrqEV8PHy5jDzyOEsiE+ Hxrufcq83IWHYZUyp/3374SS1CMhnAGDg2FLEfbcQ17sRGb5bht20=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] wine tastes softening? (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org down) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:34:39 -0000 The rsync to rsync.tools.ietf.org is working for me right now. On Feb 17, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Dan Wing wrote: > Rsync'ing to rsync.tools.ietf.org (which CNAMEs to > zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) > hasn't worked for me for a few weeks so today I tried rsync'ing with > merlot.tools.ietf.org -- and merlot worked fine. > > If this is going to persist could the instructions at http://tools.ietf.org > be > revised or the CNAME for rsync.tools.ietf.org be pointed to merlot? > > (Sorry if I missed this discussion.) > > -d > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss