and highlighting in the document). Just in case this is a heisenbug, what I'm seeing is <title>RFC 5434 - It is also important to recognize the timing constraints. As described in detail below, the deadline for scheduling BOFs is approximately six weeks prior to an IETF meeting. Working backwards

From hadi@mojatatu.com Sat May 30 11:20:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0973A706E for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:20:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.233 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.233 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.745, BAYES_05=-1.11, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sEv708hILDTv for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192953A7014 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c3so4920744ana.4 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:22:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.11.1 with SMTP id 1mr5303913ank.104.1243707720115; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:22:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:21:40 -0400 Message-ID: To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:20:24 -0700 Subject: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:20:20 -0000 Hi there, I am not sure who to talk to - but this looked like a tools issue perhaps; if you are the wrong email address i would appreciate your guidance on who to talk to. My name is consistently being mispelt over the last many years in many references; for example: http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-ietf-forces-sctptml-02.xml shows: In the draft xml submission - this was entered as: As you can see some tool which creates the references has a bug which picks only one name in my surname. This issue currently exists in at least 3 IETF drafts. cheers, jamal From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Jun 1 13:05:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8506E3A7141 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:05:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JM2NXRq8KOjx for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398AE3A6C61 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id B2D5638703; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:05:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AFB386F0; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:05:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4698037E4D; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:05:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34000 helo=chardonnay.local) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBDlN-0002DD-0C; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:05:41 +0200 Message-ID: <4A243493.6090908@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:05:39 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jamal Hadi Salim References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: hadi@mojatatu.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, mrose@dbc.mtview.ca.us, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Marshall Rose Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:05:47 -0000 Hi Jamal, On 2009-05-30 20:21 Jamal Hadi Salim said the following: > Hi there, > > I am not sure who to talk to - but this looked like a tools issue perhaps; > if you are the wrong email address i would appreciate your guidance on who to > talk to. > My name is consistently being mispelt over the last many years in many > references; for example: > http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-ietf-forces-sctptml-02.xml > shows: > > > In the draft xml submission - this was entered as: > > > As you can see some tool which creates the references has a bug which > picks only one name in my surname. > > This issue currently exists in at least 3 IETF drafts. The source of the trouble seems to be that although your name is entered correctly in the IETF database (I checked) the bibxml files are created by processing the author information after it has been exported in text format. This is unfortunate, and I don't know if the creator and maintainers of xml2rfc has a solution to this -- they may well have that, I just don't know. I'm cc:ing Marshall Rose who will know. Regards, Henrik From adam@nostrum.com Mon Jun 1 13:21:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBEE13A6A19 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:21:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0WR-LuYPsald for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5BB3A6C8B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.3.231] (vicuna-alt.estacado.net [75.53.54.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n51KLbYe070668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:21:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.17.0.090302 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:21:36 -0500 From: Adam Roach To: Henrik Levkowetz , Jamal Hadi Salim Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references Thread-Index: Acni9o/Z0lruYFk/Z0qaEWknaklsIg== In-Reply-To: <4A243493.6090908@levkowetz.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 75.53.54.121 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Marshall Rose Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:21:53 -0000 The xml2rfc tool seems to aggressively trim names on certain kinds of boundaries, and discard information that the author clearly intended to be part of his name. For example, whenever I get a new copy of xml2rfc, I comment out the following lines: if {[string compare $av(initials) ""]} { set av(initials) [lindex [split $av(initials) .] 0]. } This allows me to generate documents with my preferred designation of "A.B. Roach," instead of having to fix them up in AUTH48. (FWIW, I don't care for the interaction between having a first initial that is an article and a last name that is a noun without the ability to insert an intervening letter). It would be kind of nice if the tool stopped thinking that it knows how to represent our names better than we do. /a On 6/1/09 3:05 PM, "Henrik Levkowetz" wrote: > Hi Jamal, > > On 2009-05-30 20:21 Jamal Hadi Salim said the following: >> Hi there, >> >> I am not sure who to talk to - but this looked like a tools issue perhaps; >> if you are the wrong email address i would appreciate your guidance on who to >> talk to. >> My name is consistently being mispelt over the last many years in many >> references; for example: >> http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-ietf-forces-sc >> tptml-02.xml >> shows: >> >> >> In the draft xml submission - this was entered as: >> >> >> As you can see some tool which creates the references has a bug which >> picks only one name in my surname. >> >> This issue currently exists in at least 3 IETF drafts. > > The source of the trouble seems to be that although your name is entered > correctly in the IETF database (I checked) the bibxml files are created by > processing the author information after it has been exported in text format. > > This is unfortunate, and I don't know if the creator and maintainers of > xml2rfc has a solution to this -- they may well have that, I just don't > know. > > I'm cc:ing Marshall Rose who will know. > > Regards, > > Henrik > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From richard.barnes@gmail.com Mon Jun 1 13:25:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129493A68CF for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:25:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pmTrf+zwt8l6 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f222.google.com (mail-bw0-f222.google.com [209.85.218.222]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBA83A6813 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz22 with SMTP id 22so7715819bwz.37 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:25:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=drENkJcFvFLqjaKWDWnbv3IQuuL30K/Aw1DZfH2pXQw=; b=fBt/FscWZ5fR/cbKEBkbkn2W8vqnQK4VHz6Qc3vc5gudX8rmJfWL6XafctlHdaGxPg 3UTf+1gVxO25SmsetlH/D1soaqkp9bCUElCWJFSmCyoPiCapsR55xTFgSAYknbtJzOsJ ozO4Mrng6CdTdiQ17jvgoDfX4LjESYHQPV7Jk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Oq3t/2LhYg8rpbCOyZF9a6KijFvBA/aJYvoZYa+m7HIFMYtqhvvqYrpuvsn1EqT7Io Q5Ufyt7TMsAyH+5mmiPou2SL0wgCbbVxAr7qBclDRV3mbEGgp81tip7ozlSGs4kq5z0P 0ARTZTjGSuOVI11Yo8qtjTLe0UvrP/MJMmVVA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.57.67 with SMTP id b3mr6080101bkh.99.1243887922469; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:25:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A243493.6090908@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:25:22 -0400 Message-ID: <88ac5c710906011325t543f5143r46d40f0870683394@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Barnes To: Adam Roach Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Marshall Rose , Henrik Levkowetz , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Jamal Hadi Salim Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0000 > (FWIW, I don't care for > the interaction between having a first initial that is an article and a l= ast > name that is a noun without the ability to insert an intervening letter). Having trouble parsing this sentence. Are you looking to allow names like "The X Files"? --Richard > > It would be kind of nice if the tool stopped thinking that it knows how t= o > represent our names better than we do. > > /a > > > On 6/1/09 3:05 PM, "Henrik Levkowetz" wrote: > >> Hi Jamal, >> >> On 2009-05-30 20:21 Jamal Hadi Salim said the following: >>> Hi there, >>> >>> I am not sure who to talk to - but this looked like a tools issue perha= ps; >>> if you are the wrong email address i would appreciate your guidance on = who to >>> talk to. >>> My name is consistently being mispelt over the last many years in many >>> references; for example: >>> http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-ietf-for= ces-sc >>> tptml-02.xml >>> shows: >>> >>> >>> In the draft xml submission - this was entered as: >>> >>> >>> As you can see some tool which creates the references has a bug which >>> picks only one name in my surname. >>> >>> This issue currently exists in at least 3 IETF drafts. >> >> The source of the trouble seems to be that although your name is entered >> correctly in the IETF database (I checked) the bibxml files are created = by >> processing the author information after it has been exported in text for= mat. >> >> This is unfortunate, and I don't know if the creator and maintainers of >> xml2rfc has a solution to this -- they may well have that, I just don't >> know. >> >> I'm cc:ing Marshall Rose who will know. >> >> Regards, >> >> Henrik >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From versteb@cisco.com Mon Jun 1 13:29:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1493A6774 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:29:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f-G8KZRtcv2b for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004EB3A6A6B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:28:37 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,286,1241395200"; d="scan'208";a="166138718" Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Jun 2009 20:28:38 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n51KScAw015284; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:28:38 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n51KSRDk026694; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:28:38 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-21d.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.116]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:28:33 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:28:33 -0400 Message-ID: <81B9B88E2F9D574AA5328A85547CDE91014FF255@xmb-rtp-21d.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references Thread-Index: Acni9o/Z0lruYFk/Z0qaEWknaklsIgAAHaIQ References: <4A243493.6090908@levkowetz.com> From: "Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)" To: "Adam Roach" , "Henrik Levkowetz" , "Jamal Hadi Salim" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2009 20:28:33.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[88DA57E0:01C9E2F7] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3145; t=1243888118; x=1244752118; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=versteb@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Bill=20Ver=20Steeg=20(versteb)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[Tools-discuss]=20bibliographical=20ref erences |Sender:=20; bh=a9H7rbUt7QPLgwglOdd6FUDlzpDPDxZLTCfsLfhyM1k=; b=r9X0ko9o7NOGCwMixidB9Nb8OmitXEQddAhoJgNDQJSMRVHxkVhJg+uVqw 1ad/mVdLwcwvyIlBJEGixr+JDwW+IqwCeaFfIZMnYqIfG5Cu2j9OcVWwuAfA j3bgxipc5zoW52vGg5lhYxhWt4bWo8nn1UeKam3EtGgP0ev8V/gcE=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=versteb@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Marshall Rose Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:29:33 -0000 This does seem to be aggressive. Ver Steeg becomes Steeg. Van Caenegem becomes Caenegem. Any way to make the "official" version of the tools know about 2-part last names? Bill Ver Steeg=20 -----Original Message----- From: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Roach Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:22 PM To: Henrik Levkowetz; Jamal Hadi Salim Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org; Marshall Rose Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references The xml2rfc tool seems to aggressively trim names on certain kinds of boundaries, and discard information that the author clearly intended to be part of his name. For example, whenever I get a new copy of xml2rfc, I comment out the following lines: if {[string compare $av(initials) ""]} { set av(initials) [lindex [split $av(initials) .] 0]. } This allows me to generate documents with my preferred designation of "A.B. Roach," instead of having to fix them up in AUTH48. (FWIW, I don't care for the interaction between having a first initial that is an article and a last name that is a noun without the ability to insert an intervening letter). It would be kind of nice if the tool stopped thinking that it knows how to represent our names better than we do. /a On 6/1/09 3:05 PM, "Henrik Levkowetz" wrote: > Hi Jamal, >=20 > On 2009-05-30 20:21 Jamal Hadi Salim said the following: >> Hi there, >>=20 >> I am not sure who to talk to - but this looked like a tools issue=20 >> perhaps; if you are the wrong email address i would appreciate your=20 >> guidance on who to talk to. >> My name is consistently being mispelt over the last many years in=20 >> many references; for example: >> http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-ietf-f >> orces-sc >> tptml-02.xml >> shows: >> >>=20 >> In the draft xml submission - this was entered as: >> > Salim"> >>=20 >> As you can see some tool which creates the references has a bug which >> picks only one name in my surname. >>=20 >> This issue currently exists in at least 3 IETF drafts. >=20 > The source of the trouble seems to be that although your name is=20 > entered correctly in the IETF database (I checked) the bibxml files=20 > are created by processing the author information after it has been exported in text format. >=20 > This is unfortunate, and I don't know if the creator and maintainers=20 > of xml2rfc has a solution to this -- they may well have that, I just=20 > don't know. >=20 > I'm cc:ing Marshall Rose who will know. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Henrik > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Jun 1 13:34:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145723A6B06 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:34:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.899, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6ge+eDXEUyQr for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E51C73A6905 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 01 Jun 2009 20:34:14 -0000 Received: from p508FC3FC.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.195.252] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 01 Jun 2009 22:34:14 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19XswoaXXhXn/8jV2k0RWVJZSybsLRv+zMKgdAm1M A5ss3Qmw3nXaXd Message-ID: <4A243B3D.3000908@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:34:05 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)" References: <4A243493.6090908@levkowetz.com> <81B9B88E2F9D574AA5328A85547CDE91014FF255@xmb-rtp-21d.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <81B9B88E2F9D574AA5328A85547CDE91014FF255@xmb-rtp-21d.amer.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.71 Cc: Marshall Rose , Henrik Levkowetz , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Jamal Hadi Salim Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:34:17 -0000 Bill Ver Steeg (versteb) wrote: > This does seem to be aggressive. Ver Steeg becomes Steeg. Van Caenegem > becomes Caenegem. > > Any way to make the "official" version of the tools know about 2-part > last names? > > Bill Ver Steeg How about trying to make the tools chain extract the metadata from the XML version, when present? BR, Julian From mrose@dbc.mtview.ca.us Mon Jun 1 13:47:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C94E3A6CA7 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:47:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id owUrrhELvXug for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yard.public.resource.org (xml.resource.org [192.101.98.232]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607E53A6BB2 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yard.public.resource.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id n51KloV9028152; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:47:50 -0700 From: Marshall Rose To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <4A243493.6090908@levkowetz.com> References: <4A243493.6090908@levkowetz.com> Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:47:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Jamal Hadi Salim Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:47:52 -0000 for the i-d repository, we are given a text file to produce the references file. there is no structured information. if the i-d repository can produce it's only references files, that would be the preferred solution... /mtr On Jun 1, 2009, at 13:05 , Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Jamal, > > On 2009-05-30 20:21 Jamal Hadi Salim said the following: >> Hi there, >> >> I am not sure who to talk to - but this looked like a tools issue >> perhaps; >> if you are the wrong email address i would appreciate your guidance >> on who to >> talk to. >> My name is consistently being mispelt over the last many years in >> many >> references; for example: >> http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-ietf-forces-sctptml-02.xml >> shows: >> >> >> In the draft xml submission - this was entered as: >> >> >> As you can see some tool which creates the references has a bug which >> picks only one name in my surname. >> >> This issue currently exists in at least 3 IETF drafts. > > The source of the trouble seems to be that although your name is > entered > correctly in the IETF database (I checked) the bibxml files are > created by > processing the author information after it has been exported in text > format. > > This is unfortunate, and I don't know if the creator and maintainers > of > xml2rfc has a solution to this -- they may well have that, I just > don't > know. > > I'm cc:ing Marshall Rose who will know. > > Regards, > > Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Jun 1 14:30:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5443A68AF for ; 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Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:30:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56753 helo=chardonnay.local) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBF5A-0000Cp-QW; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:30:12 +0200 Message-ID: <4A244861.1040005@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:30:09 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4A243493.6090908@levkowetz.com> <81B9B88E2F9D574AA5328A85547CDE91014FF255@xmb-rtp-21d.amer.cisco.com> <4A243B3D.3000908@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4A243B3D.3000908@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: julian.reschke@gmx.de, versteb@cisco.com, mrose@dbc.mtview.ca.us, tools-discuss@ietf.org, hadi@mojatatu.com, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Jamal Hadi Salim , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Marshall Rose Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:30:16 -0000 On 2009-06-01 22:34 Julian Reschke said the following: > Bill Ver Steeg (versteb) wrote: > > This does seem to be aggressive. Ver Steeg becomes Steeg. Van Caenegem > > becomes Caenegem. > > > > Any way to make the "official" version of the tools know about 2-part > > last names? > > > > Bill Ver Steeg > > How about trying to make the tools chain extract the metadata from the > XML version, when present? I thought that the bibxml draft author information was derived from one of the textual exports of the IETF database author information, and if so then Jamal's case won't be helped at all -- the information is already correct in the database, but the export format looses the distinction between given, middle, and family name, so the bibxml generation software will have to guess. Setting up an xml export format would be rather trivial; if anybody would like to pitch in, then please show up at the code sprint in Stockholm (see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF75Sprint) and we should be able to make this happen. Best, Henrik From versteb@cisco.com Mon Jun 1 14:33:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3BC3A68CF for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:33:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.700, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IosxDAlDtQWw for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6830A3A68C4 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:33:18 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,286,1241395200"; d="scan'208";a="36609458" Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Jun 2009 21:33:18 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n51LXIK2006410; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:33:18 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n51LXH8m004528; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:33:18 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-21d.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.116]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:33:00 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:33:00 -0400 Message-ID: <81B9B88E2F9D574AA5328A85547CDE91014FF604@xmb-rtp-21d.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4A244861.1040005@levkowetz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references Thread-Index: AcnjACtaH2aWya8cR9SLd3TyC57IJgAACf1A References: <4A243493.6090908@levkowetz.com> <81B9B88E2F9D574AA5328A85547CDE91014FF255@xmb-rtp-21d.amer.cisco.com> <4A243B3D.3000908@gmx.de> <4A244861.1040005@levkowetz.com> From: "Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)" To: "Henrik Levkowetz" , "Julian Reschke" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2009 21:33:00.0788 (UTC) FILETIME=[89C84B40:01C9E300] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1585; t=1243891998; x=1244755998; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=versteb@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Bill=20Ver=20Steeg=20(versteb)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20[Tools-discuss]=20bibliographical=20ref erences |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Henrik=20Levkowetz=22=20,=0 A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=22Julian=20Reschke=22=20; bh=mDZXxIsvLsHITJ5vDOco9SYm4dWge//Xl0ke/9Y6CPA=; b=MucbPztp/FVMslHY5XBSNQEJWqYxtYiU3O6vVp7heihY+Dbo9zjKpiKzTS Te6UWhXbGGHXUb7Lc+xD8K+pbTDsIQ3yBoNDL8NGFYrNY8UVb2dyE0/6BUPn k36l6Mc67v; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=versteb@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: Jamal Hadi Salim , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Marshall Rose Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:33:19 -0000 Seeing as how I have been taking from the tools and not putting, I will try to make it to the Stockholm code sprint. Hopefully the travel gods line up properly. Bill VerSteeg=20 -----Original Message----- From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com]=20 Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:30 PM To: Julian Reschke Cc: Bill Ver Steeg (versteb); Marshall Rose; tools-discuss@ietf.org; Jamal Hadi Salim Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references On 2009-06-01 22:34 Julian Reschke said the following: > Bill Ver Steeg (versteb) wrote: > > This does seem to be aggressive. Ver Steeg becomes Steeg. Van=20 > Caenegem > becomes Caenegem. > > > > Any way to make the "official" version of the tools know about=20 > 2-part > last names? > > > > Bill Ver Steeg >=20 > How about trying to make the tools chain extract the metadata from the > XML version, when present? I thought that the bibxml draft author information was derived from one of the textual exports of the IETF database author information, and if so then Jamal's case won't be helped at all -- the information is already correct in the database, but the export format looses the distinction between given, middle, and family name, so the bibxml generation software will have to guess. Setting up an xml export format would be rather trivial; if anybody would like to pitch in, then please show up at the code sprint in Stockholm (see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF75Sprint) and we should be able to make this happen. Best, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Jun 1 14:41:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7094F3A6B14 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:41:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t1BBxHHGX4Bx for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.185]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B6F3A6A4F for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id A253937FC0; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:41:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4949737E7B; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:41:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F19137E43; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:41:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47195 helo=chardonnay.local) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBFFq-0004ID-Ec; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:41:15 +0200 Message-ID: <4A244AF9.20101@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:41:13 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)" References: <4A243493.6090908@levkowetz.com> <81B9B88E2F9D574AA5328A85547CDE91014FF255@xmb-rtp-21d.amer.cisco.com> <4A243B3D.3000908@gmx.de> <4A244861.1040005@levkowetz.com> <81B9B88E2F9D574AA5328A85547CDE91014FF604@xmb-rtp-21d.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <81B9B88E2F9D574AA5328A85547CDE91014FF604@xmb-rtp-21d.amer.cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: versteb@cisco.com, julian.reschke@gmx.de, mrose@dbc.mtview.ca.us, tools-discuss@ietf.org, hadi@mojatatu.com, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Julian Reschke , Jamal Hadi Salim , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Marshall Rose Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:41:19 -0000 On 2009-06-01 23:33 Bill Ver Steeg (versteb) said the following: > Seeing as how I have been taking from the tools and not putting, I will > try to make it to the Stockholm code sprint. Hopefully the travel gods > line up properly. Splendid! Best, Henrik > Bill VerSteeg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com] > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:30 PM > To: Julian Reschke > Cc: Bill Ver Steeg (versteb); Marshall Rose; tools-discuss@ietf.org; > Jamal Hadi Salim > Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references > > > > On 2009-06-01 22:34 Julian Reschke said the following: >> Bill Ver Steeg (versteb) wrote: >> > This does seem to be aggressive. Ver Steeg becomes Steeg. Van >> Caenegem > becomes Caenegem. >> > >> > Any way to make the "official" version of the tools know about >> 2-part > last names? >> > >> > Bill Ver Steeg >> >> How about trying to make the tools chain extract the metadata from the > >> XML version, when present? > > I thought that the bibxml draft author information was derived from one > of the textual exports of the IETF database author information, and if > so then Jamal's case won't be helped at all -- the information is > already correct in the database, but the export format looses the > distinction between given, middle, and family name, so the bibxml > generation software will have to guess. > > Setting up an xml export format would be rather trivial; if anybody > would like to pitch in, then please show up at the code sprint in > Stockholm (see > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF75Sprint) and we should > be able to make this happen. > > > Best, > > Henrik > From hadi@mojatatu.com Mon Jun 1 16:15:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F323A6905 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:15:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OdBbExC-3esk for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131813A6B80 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c3so5811253ana.4 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:15:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.166.7 with SMTP id o7mr7951423ane.90.1243898146160; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:15:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A244AF9.20101@levkowetz.com> References: <4A243493.6090908@levkowetz.com> <81B9B88E2F9D574AA5328A85547CDE91014FF255@xmb-rtp-21d.amer.cisco.com> <4A243B3D.3000908@gmx.de> <4A244861.1040005@levkowetz.com> <81B9B88E2F9D574AA5328A85547CDE91014FF604@xmb-rtp-21d.amer.cisco.com> <4A244AF9.20101@levkowetz.com> From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:15:26 -0400 Message-ID: To: Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Julian Reschke , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Marshall Rose Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibliographical references X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:15:48 -0000 Much thanks everybody. I dont have much time myself, but i will drop by if i show up at the meeting. cheers, jamal On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wro= te: > > On 2009-06-01 23:33 Bill Ver Steeg (versteb) said the following: >> Seeing as how I have been taking from the tools and not putting, I will >> try to make it to the Stockholm code sprint. Hopefully the travel gods >> line up properly. > > Splendid! > > Best, > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Henrik > From richard.barnes@gmail.com Tue Jun 2 07:44:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071083A6B19 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.700, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mRsu25gN99lX for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 07:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D681A3A6AF2 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 07:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so6562213fxm.37 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 07:44:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tNwxNDh1Jw+Kl+o/7QVz5M3TrZvNacaXDcc8bvBwW70=; b=Zn5dLib1+RiBVH61o/oXDuh5PlHfNNvCn+HgIq3e4SyH2DGXkclK5fZoBRyws0g93l QRfI3ZjjL5bCqWBrxNAcPPpfkeY26YNGUZTv2C8M5oQ1qRkmDNLMxzl28+dHbQrLlL+D 70ARtZLJ5UQTLK2C5Bu7pRNzMI4nd6QfYQq1g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=BFkUPipHuV0+NY3xwsoAqP1K3gBK8C4z93VyoaHKztGltwYhAEq1E695uLJyTp/CUX jQqqH7O34IxOye6I5ivALibOkNbbRpmadrpSBEKCgRWTWJVyTdOLQtI021gFJD5IemPv 2C3Tjgn3QlSJQ9duHWXhaPp5vLS56HwClB74k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.124.7 with SMTP id s7mr6879766bkr.189.1243953846057; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 07:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:44:05 -0400 Message-ID: <88ac5c710906020744x7a87bbbfxbf3819bf8892efb4@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Barnes To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] Add milestone in trac X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:44:11 -0000 Hey all, I'm trying to set up trac to track (haha) issues for a geopriv work item, but I don't see anything in the web interface to allow me to add a milestone to which these issues can be attached. Is there a way to do this that I'm missing, or does someone need to do this for me? Thanks, --Richard From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Jun 2 08:16:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D76F3A6A87 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:16:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.666 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.666 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NFzhbJPrluV7 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.181]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6F23A6C96 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 8FE9537E8C; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:33:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D980938098; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:33:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D3937E43; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:15:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54059 helo=chardonnay.local) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBViW-0004Sq-Au; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:15:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4A25422B.1040709@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:15:55 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Barnes References: <88ac5c710906020744x7a87bbbfxbf3819bf8892efb4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88ac5c710906020744x7a87bbbfxbf3819bf8892efb4@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: richard.barnes@gmail.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Add milestone in trac X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:16:00 -0000 Hi Richard, On 2009-06-02 16:44 Richard Barnes said the following: > Hey all, > > I'm trying to set up trac to track (haha) issues for a geopriv work > item, but I don't see anything in the web interface to allow me to add > a milestone to which these issues can be attached. > > Is there a way to do this that I'm missing, or does someone need to do > this for me? If you log in as rbarnes@bbn.com you'll see an additional main menu item to the right of 'Search' which says 'Admin'. There you'll get the option to add, change and delete milestones, and a lot of other stuff. Best, Henrik From richard.barnes@gmail.com Tue Jun 2 08:20:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23D63A682D for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:20:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.350, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AxddqS06xXwv for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f222.google.com (mail-bw0-f222.google.com [209.85.218.222]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EA53A6F63 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz22 with SMTP id 22so8233466bwz.37 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:20:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5j01luyo8ZJF98UyWGPCFQ6wAjBlcbJJwzksZ/hWPJ8=; b=RWgyej1nDZnxsqTiChPJpQWE1yNBYI3oo2+o1Sl6KEQyReYWidvaien1kYxI90ptCl M0cxpLSZ/7XY1Enanx2IddMLtzjEICvDVwb9JOEIZwglMt6nDoSuMVCayAohQNVn90hB 6v2iJzB76SfAtyKcYGPyBs7tO5ahSqUqpJLfo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f9VpE/Mkpbt/FMpUar0S5W05r0udWs/awzRB4n2SjZEu+0uycDgVVLQc/8dQHcK0BV QjFo6Plm/NGdfq2ndjEDhgJFb7d2ZM63KEA/YAJ8a8ujDgRsh/Lk6ZDpYsTcJ35PgmYN 3N2BmvmYKzYu0tlDPcIAVOgWC/0kY8EsHh8j0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.69.133 with SMTP id z5mr6960783bki.163.1243956035321; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:20:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A25422B.1040709@levkowetz.com> References: <88ac5c710906020744x7a87bbbfxbf3819bf8892efb4@mail.gmail.com> <4A25422B.1040709@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:20:35 -0400 Message-ID: <88ac5c710906020820g42e0f5c8vf0d4e9f2e6ff3474@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Barnes To: Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Add milestone in trac X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:20:37 -0000 Aha, thanks, I had been using my gmail address to log in. --Richard On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wr= ote: > Hi Richard, > > On 2009-06-02 16:44 Richard Barnes said the following: >> Hey all, >> >> I'm trying to set up trac to track (haha) issues for a geopriv work >> item, but I don't see anything in the web interface to allow me to add >> a milestone to which these issues can be attached. >> >> Is there a way to do this that I'm missing, or does someone need to do >> this for me? > > If you log in as rbarnes@bbn.com you'll see an additional main menu item > to the right of 'Search' which says 'Admin'. =A0There you'll get the opti= on > to add, change and delete milestones, and a lot of other stuff. > > > Best, > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Henrik > From richard.barnes@gmail.com Tue Jun 2 13:33:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683BA3A704B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:33:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.832 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.832 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.233, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1z7sCCXvBK-k for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297963A7035 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so6841805fxm.37 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:33:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OyHWEe1wfaC1a6TnCWUXPeyn0lVb4RZD1EEoxGPCruU=; b=h9DwXcO3B94DKPVi96CkUUQMeG7bK7n1rIwTWAolN+IZfo9Kg+/KNFlTXOsOkwtV2E QTcVH1xu/4LrpP95xQiTGWCDaolqOxAT1UQbwaN5kjVda09q1lLslfLDW3tYoJces5ij FglcGa5ijYmAazBSEwRlA5ixNaeP0UCGUL/lg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=JuuoSO00H+l8V0qUlHdsj8kpSOla3gIV0eBrAt3fyyi0R866sUwHDGsPBg+b7WEt4j Q99WOIMFZwNrLhuCGp8r5k2t+pQTKkwGIo/9fq2XHSkYKVNKUgX84pPUyBonRfKacxWW T56VgBOymhiPHrVm8ff+jYrmPxPuh/bkscd6Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.57.138 with SMTP id c10mr135233bkh.56.1243974821106; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:33:41 -0400 Message-ID: <88ac5c710906021333p2735f481gf74348ed2df04d25@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Barnes To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Cullen Jennings , Paul Hoffman Subject: [Tools-discuss] Email to RSS X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:33:48 -0000 Hey all, In response to a thread on another list where Henrik challenged me to write a tool that pulls IETF lists over to RSS, here's a first cut: It's a perl script that does the following: 1. Read messages from a POP3 mailbox (set to use Gmail, but can use others) 2. Find any recipients foo@ietf.org or foo@tools.ietf.org 3. Writes the message as a new item to feeds/${foo}.rss (creating the feed if necessary) The feeds it creates work in Safari and Google Reader, but not in Thunderbird for some reason. A bug to fix. I ran it on an IETF sink account I've got, and posted sample feeds in this directory: I'm not sure what the best way to integrate this will the tools infrastructure is. E.g., one could set up an account for it, auto-subscribe it to IETF lists, and run the script it as a cron job. Is anyone interested in this? I'm by no means an expert in either email or RSS or the tools system, so help would be appreciated. --Richard From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Tue Jun 2 13:48:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F03828C19E for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:48:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K2t2qOaE6geE for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5786328C18D for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.158] (sn87.proper.com [75.101.18.87]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n52KmQni044543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:48:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <88ac5c710906021333p2735f481gf74348ed2df04d25@mail.gmail.com> References: <88ac5c710906021333p2735f481gf74348ed2df04d25@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:48:25 -0700 To: Richard Barnes , tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: Cullen Jennings Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Email to RSS X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:48:31 -0000 At 4:33 PM -0400 6/2/09, Richard Barnes wrote: >Is anyone interested in this? I'm by no means an expert in either >email or RSS or the tools system, so help would be appreciated. Count me as interested and willing to help devlop. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Jun 2 15:21:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5DC3A6AAA for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:21:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.716 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.716 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.117, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sp5kDq83O+MJ for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.185]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE423A6AA3 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id B8C6037FBC; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:21:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDF337F4B; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:21:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1E037E4B; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:21:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56069 helo=chardonnay.local) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBcMa-0005zi-ER; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:21:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4A25A5F6.1030809@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:21:42 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Barnes References: <88ac5c710906021333p2735f481gf74348ed2df04d25@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88ac5c710906021333p2735f481gf74348ed2df04d25@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: richard.barnes@gmail.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, fluffy@cisco.com, paul.hoffman@vpnc.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Cullen Jennings , Paul Hoffman , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Email to RSS X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:21:47 -0000 On 2009-06-02 22:33 Richard Barnes said the following: > Hey all, >=20 > In response to a thread on another list where Henrik challenged me to > write a tool that pulls IETF lists over to RSS, here's a first cut: > >=20 > It's a perl script that does the following: > 1. Read messages from a POP3 mailbox (set to use Gmail, but can use oth= ers) > 2. Find any recipients foo@ietf.org or foo@tools.ietf.org > 3. Writes the message as a new item to feeds/${foo}.rss > (creating the feed if necessary) >=20 > The feeds it creates work in Safari and Google Reader, but not in > Thunderbird for some reason. A bug to fix. I ran it on an IETF sink > account I've got, and posted sample feeds in this directory: > >=20 > I'm not sure what the best way to integrate this will the tools > infrastructure is. E.g., one could set up an account for it, > auto-subscribe it to IETF lists, and run the script it as a cron job. >=20 > Is anyone interested in this? I'm by no means an expert in either > email or RSS or the tools system, so help would be appreciated. Comments from others would be very good, but for the particular part of the problem which relates to integration with tools, what I'd like would really be to have a standalone script to which I could pipe one message, and it could be set to either grab the feed name from the To: header or from a command-line option, and would update the right feed with the email content. Being able to process one mail at a time from stdin (i.e., from a pipe) is the most crucial part for easy integration. Best, Henrik From sm@resistor.net Tue Jun 2 16:31:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A264D3A6A12 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9H-r6OfFWwyS for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.qubic.net (ns1.qubic.net [208.69.177.116]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB043A68E0 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from subman.resistor.net ([10.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.qubic.net (8.14.4.Alpha0/8.14.4.Alpha0) with ESMTP id n52NVOWu024160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:31:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=resistor.net; s=mail; t=1243985493; x=1244071893; bh=s2NW/zR86pKxQNKbyfBoKf6/VjQw0I0gDsOgXmfMGVk=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=XwZKjYcu6p7K3Txw2BtFvtDK3FSUrJdBtpPcFIuwMfn0ql1C5ASM+ik3XdONVY7iZ flOURX5ahjq5F4EuZdvpPpxiko6ONxSznGKxFSsAMkPrntpjsf8HvPagXDONFsoz8z pT8G7RuaJcbosSFDhY/IqVKfZtslidSQezI1BSFM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=mail; d=resistor.net; c=simple; q=dns; b=Af69fJnR9Fg6uprncIj4QG6FN8z1vjG2zzeYUNBzqMrjBXHiZtkHY0DMQvuWw44Av fHbIdnvUuBb/TV/cEVWzIALVhTKZ8+i5ATXjotQM50ueE7K9ToI2GWyVuoAUtnhGBby FrnYoywfeQbIfAVqLfqSJcueR/erLZJrFjwr5Oo= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20090602162400.03399e40@resistor.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:31:12 -0700 To: Richard Barnes From: SM In-Reply-To: <88ac5c710906021333p2735f481gf74348ed2df04d25@mail.gmail.co m> References: <88ac5c710906021333p2735f481gf74348ed2df04d25@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Email to RSS X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:31:39 -0000 At 13:33 02-06-2009, Richard Barnes wrote: >Is anyone interested in this? I'm by no means an expert in either >email or RSS or the tools system, so help would be appreciated. Take a look at draft-dusseault-httpmail-00 Regards, -sm From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Tue Jun 2 16:35:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92DA3A6C39 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:35:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KyTBgL2M8Md1 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D583A69D3 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.158] ([64.168.229.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n52NYbsv054994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:34:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4A25A5F6.1030809@levkowetz.com> References: <88ac5c710906021333p2735f481gf74348ed2df04d25@mail.gmail.com> <4A25A5F6.1030809@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:34:36 -0700 To: Henrik Levkowetz , Richard Barnes From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: Cullen Jennings , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Email to RSS X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:35:54 -0000 At 12:21 AM +0200 6/3/09, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >Comments from others would be very good, but for the particular part >of the problem which relates to integration with tools, what I'd like >would really be to have a standalone script to which I could pipe one >message, and it could be set to either grab the feed name from the To: >header or from a command-line option, and would update the right feed >with the email content. > >Being able to process one mail at a time from stdin (i.e., from a pipe) >is the most crucial part for easy integration. This should not be a problem. We'll work on this in the coming weeks. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From richard.barnes@gmail.com Tue Jun 2 17:20:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E093A6CA3 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:20:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.774 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.774 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.175, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ELKky9QROlbZ for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC9A3A69D1 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so7013803fxm.37 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:20:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZYahBucjiOmgpsbQGu0RK7klzNZ/wv6x/KD24C6GOb8=; b=QnVHp370ebGnE5qQv8QJv4XxA0+ANxN7UXI3ID7sd3SgCQomH0+hvIyDn3O6mCxGJD /Xf6heQ/5qv2wzDeI/MRXxN5CzlE0EcpC5YHgVAZiqXkOf/gKl9r2Qjfz67+lFUk2a3G aC7TZ7z3S/Aqg5Xu0vBGR565IDg8SqYMgv3QM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HgrxLlFyrh2mNQX0YErI9r2WtowSGcIoOI30bUihH/CWDc4zCIqu8MareVE8QI+wY7 vftTvkxQvUELU4kJfAcdhf9l7QxGs/djVHgHysf1sBiFO6DkPgUpC89OenlswPW+s8f7 PtHj+2js/30VT3Ksz6mXZSpQA9dCJDeP2Ug5w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.68.73 with SMTP id u9mr270891bki.192.1243988419348; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:20:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20090602162400.03399e40@resistor.net> References: <88ac5c710906021333p2735f481gf74348ed2df04d25@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20090602162400.03399e40@resistor.net> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:20:19 -0400 Message-ID: <88ac5c710906021720y355449e9qfdcd228563537233@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Barnes To: SM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Email to RSS X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:20:23 -0000 The goal of this effort is a little different than what Lisa's draft is getting at. The point of translating mail lists to RSS is to avoid complicated filtering schemes: Since all RSS readers that I know of are capable of separating out sources, if you make each list a source, you avoid having to sort them yourself. --Richard On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:31 PM, SM wrote: > At 13:33 02-06-2009, Richard Barnes wrote: >> >> Is anyone interested in this? =A0I'm by no means an expert in either >> email or RSS or the tools system, so help would be appreciated. > > Take a look at draft-dusseault-httpmail-00 > > Regards, > -sm > From richard.barnes@gmail.com Tue Jun 2 17:21:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3373A6CA3 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:21:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.140, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QD5Q-DXxOYZ0 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C1A3A69D1 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so7014301fxm.37 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:21:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zu2UJgjivIXuRT7ipG0E1W7NOpWR1usN6bmDdWR9fdg=; b=e3e2LAItFpyRf2dTVIqtvdKw0eWGcy4cy4ao/xXvyyaDCzykZOtGQUpyZIfsrmYGrq CRj0+cL0dwCV1hwLOKMutlirCbNdMwsGXm9hUcnuojFuGJhRbDpS4BRS4+5Lw150WAqe i7SYwnv5EJnMYyl9qVM7/mPZoF+Mj36jgZ1og= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=F2HJQdWUXIWhE+lBNQ+8Y1A3dxxcMy8mSbubYs/tOZ++95ehAYSSXjIYO6hZPlZlyK O9dxSzQLjho4R76auz2Un4a2Ql6lCHvoSx6fQUChlM/xhQRR57zXL1BnRdBKanW/Y3Kg Ta4/HfT/ZnoqekB5FTd0pTnDEsD8E4uxSO27Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.123.136 with SMTP id p8mr314347bkr.21.1243988477679; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:21:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <88ac5c710906021333p2735f481gf74348ed2df04d25@mail.gmail.com> <4A25A5F6.1030809@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:21:17 -0400 Message-ID: <88ac5c710906021721r2836c545he4683b3440fa775f@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Barnes To: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Cullen Jennings , Henrik Levkowetz , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Email to RSS X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:21:20 -0000 Seconded. That actually simplifies the script quite a bit (don't have to do POP or iterate through messages). --Richard On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > At 12:21 AM +0200 6/3/09, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >>Comments from others would be very good, but for the particular part >>of the problem which relates to integration with tools, what I'd like >>would really be to have a standalone script to which I could pipe one >>message, and it could be set to either grab the feed name from the To: >>header or from a command-line option, and would update the right feed >>with the email content. >> >>Being able to process one mail at a time from stdin (i.e., from a pipe) >>is the most crucial part for easy integration. > > This should not be a problem. We'll work on this in the coming weeks. > > --Paul Hoffman, Director > --VPN Consortium > From bortzmeyer@nic.fr Fri Jun 5 07:08:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C303A6D6A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:08:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sh-O989bmwJN for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.nic.fr (mx2.nic.fr [192.134.4.11]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9045C3A6997 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 360A41C0135; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:03:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A481C0132; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:02:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65D27B0043; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:02:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:02:59 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Richard Barnes Message-ID: <20090605140259.GA31793@nic.fr> References: <88ac5c710906021333p2735f481gf74348ed2df04d25@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <88ac5c710906021333p2735f481gf74348ed2df04d25@mail.gmail.com> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.26-1-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Cullen Jennings , Paul Hoffman , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Email to RSS X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:08:00 -0000 On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 04:33:41PM -0400, Richard Barnes wrote a message of 29 lines which said: >