From richard.barnes@gmail.com Wed Jul 1 13:38:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A623A6782 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:38:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.677 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.677 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LOOAZkvG-AZo for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f225.google.com (mail-bw0-f225.google.com [209.85.218.225]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B213A65A5 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz25 with SMTP id 25so782865bwz.37 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:38:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9Sfs8TmNMYfie+GhOpJcPfLkpj25wSIrQ1ecTL2oYB0=; b=RBORUD494xvXFyJbRi4jLQh05R/3MuOHBHZjQy0T500jp3yy9LoxLhNuB2QISON+0q jEHu2zVeZCLYF7Hkr2PcxLJiHKyry4Eujl7rW7B9zavHnAeJ6uWFGAUdfqciZ82jbvXm 9tagGjnijeVcC5rkwjxkKquNoW0WYasm61+Uc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=CQO4nTciNuwCb70zYUX/60554d0Oq5VoAn+MArx6vIc1THMt7CczW71lY8otfPaedd Wg4gzZC1PH3S+KUuCUa6+2HRQddPDj6p5otwsvfcN1jVsAW+xZeGgTG1Zv/rPJtvK4PS 3Z8hoP3Pm87JAeOvj2jybf6lDtT+evGcw1V04= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.20 with SMTP id o20mr7811371bkq.1.1246480680419; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:38:00 -0400 Message-ID: <88ac5c710907011338g7ffcbca1x411c49d8149ca2a6@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Barnes To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] Unpleasant error message on xml.resource.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:38:32 -0000 Maybe I'm just getting sensitive after being in draft-writing mode for too long, but it hurts my feelings a little when not only does my document fail to work with xml.resource.org, but the window title is "You lose." Adding insult to injury! From mnot@mnot.net Wed Jul 1 18:39:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83FF3A68A8 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:39:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.503, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zQwsslVmpUth for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290BC3A6840 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [118.208.249.76]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ADC0D23E3AA for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <922BB258-A091-430D-888D-02088F752603@mnot.net> From: Mark Nottingham To: Tools Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:39:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Wiki page for Bar BoFs? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:39:48 -0000 Is this doable, or am I missing something? Cheers, -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From lars.eggert@nokia.com Thu Jul 2 00:33:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4003A6ACB for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:33:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.545 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.545 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5FAE6qP+Rb+f for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (mail.fit.nokia.com [195.148.124.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82193A6818 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.196] (funet-wlan.fit.nokia.com [195.148.124.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n627XkIV011117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:33:48 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert To: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <922BB258-A091-430D-888D-02088F752603@mnot.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-26--222634265; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:33:41 +0300 References: <922BB258-A091-430D-888D-02088F752603@mnot.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (mail.fit.nokia.com [212.213.221.39]); Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:33:48 +0300 (EEST) Cc: Tools Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Wiki page for Bar BoFs? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:33:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail-26--222634265 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2009-7-2, at 4:39, Mark Nottingham wrote: > Is this doable, or am I missing something? Each area has a tools wiki (the one for TSV is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki , for example). At least for TSV, we encourage folks to make new pages under there if they believe it will be useful for their BOF. I'm pretty sure the ADs of other areas wouldn't yell if you were to do the same on their wiki. 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Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:07:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RwLGUuGar-Zn for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A2828C168 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:52461) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MMIGG-0004mG-Uu; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:07:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4A4C78C8.4050708@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:07:20 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Santesson References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: stefan@aaa-sec.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Java application for editing nroff formatted Internet Drafts X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:07:01 -0000 Hi Stefan, On 2009-06-18 21:54 Stefan Santesson said the following: > I know that many turn to XML or word for their internet draft editing, = but I > still like the old nroff format better. >=20 > The only problem is that I didn=B9t have a good convenient tool to inst= antly > convert my nroff text into the final txt version while editing. > So I got tired of the issue and wrote my own editing tool in java. >=20 > The result is available from my website for free. > http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/index.html >=20 > I use it for all my nroff editing and it works super for me. The outpu= t > from my application is identical to the nroff compiler I used to use > Knowing that there are some nroff hackers still out there, Is this some= thing > that would be of general interest? > Is there something better out there for nroff that I don=B9t know about= ? >=20 > Any feedback is welcome. I've created a control file with a bit of meta-information, which is read= (together with similar files for other tools) to generate the front page of http://tools.ietf.org/ . Please have a look at that page to see the resulting listing of nroffedit, and let me know if you want to keep the listing or remove it, and if the first, whether there are any changes nee= ded: ---- Version: 0.1 Section: text Ietf:=20 Priority: optional Maintainer: Stefan Santesson Package: nroffedit Architecture: mac, pc Depends: gij Category: author Url: http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/ Description: Edit IDs in .nroff with wysiwyg display Nroff Edit is a Java application for writing and editing Internet Draft files using the nroff format. This application lets you load any I-D nroff file, which will be shown processed in the right-hand window, and can be edited in the left-hand window. ---- Regards, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Jul 2 02:15:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5903A6CB6 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:15:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x2iafxoqQPMR for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42ADA3A6B33 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:52497) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MMINz-0003y0-GS; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:15:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4A4C7AA6.2030102@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:15:18 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert References: <922BB258-A091-430D-888D-02088F752603@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: lars.eggert@nokia.com, mnot@mnot.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Mark Nottingham , Tools Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Wiki page for Bar BoFs? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:15:03 -0000 On 2009-07-02 09:33 Lars Eggert said the following: > On 2009-7-2, at 4:39, Mark Nottingham wrote: >> Is this doable, or am I missing something? > > Each area has a tools wiki (the one for TSV is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki > , for example). > > At least for TSV, we encourage folks to make new pages under there if > they believe it will be useful for their BOF. I'm pretty sure the ADs > of other areas wouldn't yell if you were to do the same on their wiki. And/or maybe add a new bar-bof page to the wiki at http://tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki , with a link to the bar-bof page on the front page http://tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/StartPage ? A third alternative would be for me to set up a separate bar-bof wiki next to the BOF wiki. Would only take a minute or two. Best, Henrik From mnot@mnot.net Thu Jul 2 02:58:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BAC3A6D35 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:58:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.412, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NjZA3riIn11y for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9587B28C0FB for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [118.208.249.76]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B09A923E3AA; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 05:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <86B637C6-E0B5-48BB-984D-A60EC28AC5A1@mnot.net> From: Mark Nottingham To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <4A4C7AA6.2030102@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:58:58 +1000 References: <922BB258-A091-430D-888D-02088F752603@mnot.net> <4A4C7AA6.2030102@levkowetz.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: Tools Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Wiki page for Bar BoFs? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:58:42 -0000 I took the first option (the APP wiki); thanks! On 02/07/2009, at 7:15 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > > > On 2009-07-02 09:33 Lars Eggert said the following: >> On 2009-7-2, at 4:39, Mark Nottingham wrote: >>> Is this doable, or am I missing something? >> >> Each area has a tools wiki (the one for TSV is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/tsv/trac/wiki >> , for example). >> >> At least for TSV, we encourage folks to make new pages under there if >> they believe it will be useful for their BOF. I'm pretty sure the ADs >> of other areas wouldn't yell if you were to do the same on their >> wiki. > > And/or maybe add a new bar-bof page to the wiki at > http://tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki , > with a link to the bar-bof page on the front page > http://tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/StartPage ? > > > A third alternative would be for me to set up a separate bar-bof wiki > next to the BOF wiki. Would only take a minute or two. > > > Best, > > Henrik -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From stefan@aaa-sec.com Thu Jul 2 03:31:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D853A6B31 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:31:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.171 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.171 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.318, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ad16A-SpQz1Q for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.95.112]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB163A6B0B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 03:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27256 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 10:31:30 -0000 Received: from s34.loopia.se (HELO s19.loopia.se) ([194.9.94.70]) (envelope-sender ) by s87.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 2 Jul 2009 10:31:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 65930 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 10:31:26 -0000 Received: from 213-64-142-21-no153.business.telia.com (HELO [192.168.0.17]) (stefan@fiddler.nu@[213.64.142.21]) (envelope-sender ) by s19.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 2 Jul 2009 10:31:26 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.19.0.090515 Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:31:24 +0200 From: Stefan Santesson To: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Java application for editing nroff formatted Internet Drafts Thread-Index: Acn7AD91RPee+k26MUGXbmqqDehO/g== In-Reply-To: <4A4C78C8.4050708@levkowetz.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Java application for editing nroff formatted Internet Drafts X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:31:09 -0000 Thanks Henrik, it looks great. I will do an effort to release version 0.2, fixing all known bugs, the week before Stockholm IETF. I maintain a bug list on the web page as well. (http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/nroffedit/faqbugs.html). If you test and find any other issues with this application, I would appreciate to hear about them. /Stefan On 09-07-02 11:07 AM, "Henrik Levkowetz" wrote: > Hi Stefan, >=20 > On 2009-06-18 21:54 Stefan Santesson said the following: >> I know that many turn to XML or word for their internet draft editing, b= ut I >> still like the old nroff format better. >>=20 >> The only problem is that I didn=B9t have a good convenient tool to instant= ly >> convert my nroff text into the final txt version while editing. >> So I got tired of the issue and wrote my own editing tool in java. >>=20 >> The result is available from my website for free. >> http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/index.html >>=20 >> I use it for all my nroff editing and it works super for me. The output >> from my application is identical to the nroff compiler I used to use >> Knowing that there are some nroff hackers still out there, Is this somet= hing >> that would be of general interest? >> Is there something better out there for nroff that I don=B9t know about? >>=20 >> Any feedback is welcome. >=20 > I've created a control file with a bit of meta-information, which is read > (together with similar files for other tools) to generate the front page > of http://tools.ietf.org/ . Please have a look at that page to see the > resulting listing of nroffedit, and let me know if you want to keep the > listing or remove it, and if the first, whether there are any changes nee= ded: >=20 > ---- > Version: 0.1 > Section: text > Ietf:=20 > Priority: optional > Maintainer: Stefan Santesson > Package: nroffedit > Architecture: mac, pc > Depends: gij > Category: author > Url: http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/ > Description: Edit IDs in .nroff with wysiwyg display > Nroff Edit is a Java application for writing and editing > Internet Draft files using the nroff format. This application lets > you load any I-D nroff file, which will be shown processed in the > right-hand window, and can be edited in the left-hand window. > ---- >=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 From stefan@aaa-sec.com Sun Jul 5 12:15:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49ECE3A6A70 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:15:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.859 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.859 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.390, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DLEC-o3dlAuJ for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.95.112]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63EF3A69A7 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 80531 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 19:09:05 -0000 Received: from s34.loopia.se (HELO s29.loopia.se) ([194.9.94.70]) (envelope-sender ) by s87.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Jul 2009 19:09:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 8266 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 19:08:57 -0000 Received: from 213-64-142-21-no153.business.telia.com (HELO [192.168.0.17]) (stefan@fiddler.nu@[213.64.142.21]) (envelope-sender ) by s29.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Jul 2009 19:08:57 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.19.0.090515 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:08:55 +0200 From: Stefan Santesson To: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Java application for editing nroff formatted Internet Drafts Thread-Index: Acn7AD91RPee+k26MUGXbmqqDehO/gCo8sWt In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF Discussion Mailing List , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Java application for editing nroff formatted Internet Drafts X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:15:56 -0000 FYI, I have just released version 0.8 of NroffEdit (WYSIWYG nroff editor linked at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/) This version is now fully compatible with the IETF nroff template file (http://aaa-sec.com/pub/NroffEdit/2-nroff_template.nroff) and correctly implements all features that is supported by the RFC editor. /Stefan From stefan@aaa-sec.com Sun Jul 5 13:08:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146F33A6B92 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:08:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.871 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.871 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.378, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VqQYoiS3TeGW for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.95.112]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B133A695F for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30591 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 20:08:43 -0000 Received: from s34.loopia.se (HELO s57.loopia.se) ([194.9.94.70]) (envelope-sender ) by s87.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Jul 2009 20:08:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 98128 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 20:08:35 -0000 Received: from 213-64-142-21-no153.business.telia.com (HELO [192.168.0.17]) (stefan@fiddler.nu@[213.64.142.21]) (envelope-sender ) by s57.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Jul 2009 20:08:35 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.19.0.090515 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:08:33 +0200 From: Stefan Santesson To: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Java application for editing nroff formatted Internet Drafts Thread-Index: Acn7AD91RPee+k26MUGXbmqqDehO/gCo8sWtAAIVKVc= In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF Discussion Mailing List , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Java application for editing nroff formatted Internet Drafts X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:08:17 -0000 Sorry for the double posting. The link to the tool fell off. Here it is: http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/index.html /Stefan On 09-07-05 9:08 PM, "Stefan Santesson" wrote: > FYI, > > I have just released version 0.8 of NroffEdit (WYSIWYG nroff editor linked > at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/) > > This version is now fully compatible with the IETF nroff template file > (http://aaa-sec.com/pub/NroffEdit/2-nroff_template.nroff) and correctly > implements all features that is supported by the RFC editor. > > /Stefan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf From cabo@tzi.org Mon Jul 6 03:18:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4B328C1DF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 03:18:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.234 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.234 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X4uqvMzr+-5i for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 03:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9:209:3dff:fe00:7136]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C603A6A62 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 03:17:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n66AIEJx010500 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:18:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.107] (p5489FE35.dip.t-dialin.net [84.137.254.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8F9B3D6; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:18:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <95B7082D-ABD9-4C4E-97C5-CE1A33AD4ACE@tzi.org> From: Carsten Bormann To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:18:13 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [Tools-discuss] http://tools.ietf.org/js/agenda.js X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:18:00 -0000 Tony Hansen's wonderful Colorizer has a hard-coded cookie expiry of 2009-04-01 (search for 2009 in the below file), which makes it less useful for IETF 75. Gruesse, Carsten http://tools.ietf.org/js/agenda.js From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Jul 6 05:11:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4C93A6CEB for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:11:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qiMJEjOji3RX for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF2B3A69F1 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:52074) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MNn2v-0002Lw-8B; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:11:45 +0200 Message-ID: <4A51E9F7.2000702@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:11:35 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: <95B7082D-ABD9-4C4E-97C5-CE1A33AD4ACE@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <95B7082D-ABD9-4C4E-97C5-CE1A33AD4ACE@tzi.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC73D7292905CA4C8A1AF20C1" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: cabo@tzi.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] http://tools.ietf.org/js/agenda.js X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:11:24 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC73D7292905CA4C8A1AF20C1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2009-07-06 12:18 Carsten Bormann said the following: > Tony Hansen's wonderful Colorizer has a hard-coded cookie expiry of =20 > 2009-04-01 (search for 2009 in the below file), which makes it less =20 > useful for IETF 75. >=20 > Gruesse, Carsten >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/js/agenda.js Ah. Right. I've just updated it to set the cookie expiry to 'now' plus 3 months. Best, Henrik --------------enigC73D7292905CA4C8A1AF20C1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAkpR6gAACgkQeVhrtTJkXCNNGgCg1PJ4AM5EQyZihqDHx54tTBhu D8AAoOIpsWvibum+RzOFRD1QHQNzHtN6 =c0kg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC73D7292905CA4C8A1AF20C1-- From patrik@frobbit.se Mon Jul 6 23:32:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633193A6D7D for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:32:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.777 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.777 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.172, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id stq5Yxfc+oG9 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv01.frobbit.se (srv01.frobbit.se [85.30.129.39]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8353A6B80 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202455F2ECE5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:31:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at frobbit.se Received: from srv01.frobbit.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv01.frobbit.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eP3g-hFEkwFX for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:31:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.186] (64-103-25-233.cisco.com [64.103.25.233]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725D25F2ECD5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:31:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <762258DD-3620-405B-9744-1D3DF1874C7D@frobbit.se> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-70-205637567" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:31:33 +0200 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d55 (v55, Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [Tools-discuss] My calendar application, or wrong TZ for IETF-75 agenda? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:32:19 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-70-205637567 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it me, or is the TZ in the agenda for IETF-75 really in -0700? It should be +0200. Patrik --Apple-Mail-70-205637567 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iD8DBQFKUuvFrMabGguI180RAgTIAJ9jbJ/OCVuSGq8sigU5UtN3Q4mqgACaA+1d V1CoDump7cHhSxVoGPnXyMw= =e3AI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-70-205637567-- From lars.eggert@nokia.com Tue Jul 7 00:44:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8511B3A67B4 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 00:44:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.342 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.342 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4d7islssnnto for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 00:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (mail.fit.nokia.com [195.148.124.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834D13A6D69 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 00:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.196] (funet-wlan.fit.nokia.com [195.148.124.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n677h9DL095052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:43:09 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= , Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <762258DD-3620-405B-9744-1D3DF1874C7D@frobbit.se> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-22-209928185; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:43:04 +0300 References: <762258DD-3620-405B-9744-1D3DF1874C7D@frobbit.se> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (mail.fit.nokia.com [195.148.124.194]); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:43:09 +0300 (EEST) Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] My calendar application, or wrong TZ for IETF-75 agenda? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:44:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail-22-209928185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2009-7-7, at 9:31, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote: > Is it me, or is the TZ in the agenda for IETF-75 really in -0700? It > should be +0200. Same issue here with http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/75/TSV_agenda.ics. =20 (TZ is US/Pacific.) 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micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3199AAD15C2B8D4B550F2894" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: lars.eggert@nokia.com, patrik@frobbit.se, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] My calendar application, or wrong TZ for IETF-75 agenda? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:39:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3199AAD15C2B8D4B550F2894 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2009-07-07 09:43 Lars Eggert said the following: > On 2009-7-7, at 9:31, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote: >> Is it me, or is the TZ in the agenda for IETF-75 really in -0700? It >> should be +0200. >=20 > Same issue here with http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/75/TSV_agenda.ics. =20 > (TZ is US/Pacific.) Manual update needed. Gah. Gets me every time. If I knew of a registry of icalendar timezone definitions I could automate this, but I haven't found one yet. The calendar entries should be OK within an hour. Henrik --------------enig3199AAD15C2B8D4B550F2894 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAkpTCbcACgkQeVhrtTJkXCMtLACdGRyjqlAOJpFDk7I1y/2Ux2AX yJcAoMKWuZltJn/DQL2ki2cQjqV9vmbv =5GH7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3199AAD15C2B8D4B550F2894-- From patrik@frobbit.se Tue Jul 7 01:57:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BFB3A6A51 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 01:57:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.148, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RCi0uz1hG4vD for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 01:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv01.frobbit.se (srv01.frobbit.se [85.30.129.39]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496433A6A86 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 01:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E725F36DB9; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:57:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at frobbit.se Received: from srv01.frobbit.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv01.frobbit.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t2Z8tR83P6rF; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:57:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.186] (64-103-25-233.cisco.com [64.103.25.233]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8175F36DB2; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:57:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <4358A011-02D3-4D3D-A2CE-B450C6B7FC0F@frobbit.se> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <4A5309B0.6020108@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-80-214410403" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:57:46 +0200 References: <762258DD-3620-405B-9744-1D3DF1874C7D@frobbit.se> <4A5309B0.6020108@levkowetz.com> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d55 (v55, Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] My calendar application, or wrong TZ for IETF-75 agenda? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:57:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-80-214410403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7 jul 2009, at 10.39, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > On 2009-07-07 09:43 Lars Eggert said the following: >> On 2009-7-7, at 9:31, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote: >>> Is it me, or is the TZ in the agenda for IETF-75 really in -0700? It >>> should be +0200. >> >> Same issue here with http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/75/TSV_agenda.ics. >> (TZ is US/Pacific.) > > Manual update needed. Gah. Gets me every time. If I knew of a > registry of icalendar timezone definitions I could automate this, > but I haven't found one yet. That organisation IETF (you might have heard about it) is working on =20 it ;-) Check with Cyrus, you might have good requirements that you can push =20 into the discussions. > The calendar entries should be OK within an hour. Thanks! paf --Apple-Mail-80-214410403 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iD8DBQFKUw4KrMabGguI180RAlezAJwJYhwG6H3E8Diz010PjkO8yhE8PgCfYIWM 2Be5qDHf9LNg36q6/k6t55g= =DDTD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-80-214410403-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Jul 7 02:47:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1DF3A6E3D for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:47:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fJgcGYAgcA3N for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD823A6924 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 02:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:56715) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MO7Gp-00007h-Bp; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:47:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4A5319AE.3020701@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:47:26 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= References: <762258DD-3620-405B-9744-1D3DF1874C7D@frobbit.se> <4A5309B0.6020108@levkowetz.com> <4358A011-02D3-4D3D-A2CE-B450C6B7FC0F@frobbit.se> In-Reply-To: <4358A011-02D3-4D3D-A2CE-B450C6B7FC0F@frobbit.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig85504C0581ACC0845573C3CE" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: patrik@frobbit.se, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] My calendar application, or wrong TZ for IETF-75 agenda? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:47:11 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig85504C0581ACC0845573C3CE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2009-07-07 10:57 Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m said the following: > On 7 jul 2009, at 10.39, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >=20 >> On 2009-07-07 09:43 Lars Eggert said the following: >>> On 2009-7-7, at 9:31, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote: >>>> Is it me, or is the TZ in the agenda for IETF-75 really in -0700? It= >>>> should be +0200. >>> Same issue here with http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/75/TSV_agenda.ics. >>> (TZ is US/Pacific.) >> Manual update needed. Gah. Gets me every time. If I knew of a >> registry of icalendar timezone definitions I could automate this, >> but I haven't found one yet. >=20 > That organisation IETF (you might have heard about it) is working on =20 > it ;-) That's good news. Before I wrote the sentence above, during the latest repeat of my search for timezone definitions, I found the draft http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-royer-timezone-registry which seems to have lapsed. If there's current activity, that's great :-= ) > Check with Cyrus, you might have good requirements that you can push =20 > into the discussions. Ok. Best, Henrik --------------enig85504C0581ACC0845573C3CE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAkpTGa4ACgkQeVhrtTJkXCM1jwCfWGp1gq9QONO3IpIWEuBG0a6C 6pMAoK1JCOFfFpmOlLJQlvufmIZZAWj+ =/a7/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig85504C0581ACC0845573C3CE-- From lars.eggert@nokia.com Tue Jul 7 03:18:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D294328C31B for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 03:18:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.493 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.493 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.106, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FOQhWXYDXRLd for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 03:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (mail.fit.nokia.com [195.148.124.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C48D28C113 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 03:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.196] (funet-wlan.fit.nokia.com [195.148.124.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n67AIHgk036768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:18:18 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <4A5319AE.3020701@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-31-219236729; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:18:12 +0300 References: <762258DD-3620-405B-9744-1D3DF1874C7D@frobbit.se> <4A5309B0.6020108@levkowetz.com> <4358A011-02D3-4D3D-A2CE-B450C6B7FC0F@frobbit.se> <4A5319AE.3020701@levkowetz.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (mail.fit.nokia.com [195.148.124.194]); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:18:18 +0300 (EEST) Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: [Tools-discuss] plenaries (was: Re: My calendar application, or wrong TZ for IETF-75 agenda?) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:18:29 -0000 --Apple-Mail-31-219236729 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, time zone looks OK now. One small issue is that the two plenaries don't seem to get included in the .ics. 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: lars.eggert@nokia.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] plenaries X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:17:46 -0000 On 2009-07-07 12:18 Lars Eggert said the following: > Hi, > > time zone looks OK now. One small issue is that the two plenaries > don't seem to get included in the .ics. Ah. Should be fixed now. Will appear within an hour. Henrik From AVSHALOM@il.ibm.com Wed Jul 8 14:13:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713E23A6C71 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:13:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.493 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.493 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.105, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dh2YNkIYX2p0 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtagate4.de.ibm.com (mtagate4.de.ibm.com [195.212.29.153]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526B43A6BBE for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate4.de.ibm.com (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n68LDTm2132960 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:13:29 GMT Received: from d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.216]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.2) with ESMTP id n68LDTIs2404426 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:13:29 +0200 Received: from d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n68LDTle002865 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:13:29 +0200 Received: from d12mc102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12mc102.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.114]) by d12av05.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n68LDTLb002862 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:13:29 +0200 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KeepSent: AC49E068:9C97FDF2-C22575ED:00742F6D; type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.5 December 05, 2008 From: Avshalom Houri Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:13:30 +0300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12MC102/12/M/IBM(Release 8.5|December 05, 2008) at 09/07/2009 00:13:28, Serialize complete at 09/07/2009 00:13:28 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 007490E5C22575ED_=" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:21:40 -0700 Subject: [Tools-discuss] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-simple-interdomain-scaling-analysis-06 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:13:26 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 007490E5C22575ED_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Seems that the small numbers within the figures are understood as part of table of content and translated as referring to pages within the draft. This issue was found by A. Jean Mahoney. For example: ** Constants (C01) Subscription lifetime (hours)...........................8 (C02) Presence state changes / hour...........................3 (C03) Subscription refresh interval / hour....................1 (C04) Total federated presentities per watcher................4 Thanks --Avshalom --=_alternative 007490E5C22575ED_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Seems that the small numbers within the figures are understood as part of table of content and translated as referring to pages within the draft. This issue was found by A. Jean Mahoney.

For example:

** Constants
  (C01) Subscription lifetime (hours)...........................8
  (C02) Presence state changes / hour...........................3
  (C03) Subscription refresh interval / hour....................1
  (C04) Total federated presentities per watcher................4
Thanks
--Avshalom
 --=_alternative 007490E5C22575ED_=-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Jul 10 06:30:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56CC28C10B for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:30:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.57 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.57 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KkZpqfYB07Dl for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9E83A681E for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:55563) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MPGBa-0002to-Rt; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:30:47 +0200 Message-ID: <4A574286.2050209@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:30:46 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Avshalom Houri References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: AVSHALOM@il.ibm.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-simple-interdomain-scaling-analysis-06 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:30:23 -0000 Hi Avshalom, On 2009-07-08 23:13 Avshalom Houri said the following: > Seems that the small numbers within the figures are understood as part of > table of content and translated as referring to pages within the draft. > This issue was found by A. Jean Mahoney. > > For example: > > ** Constants > (C01) Subscription lifetime (hours)...........................8 > (C02) Presence state changes / hour...........................3 > (C03) Subscription refresh interval / hour....................1 > (C04) Total federated presentities per watcher................4 Yes. The conversion of text drafts to html relies heavily on heuristics, and the use of a sequence of periods is one of the few reliable indications that something is a table of contents which I've found. I'm a bit reluctant to try tweaking this so your example doesn't trigger the recognition of TOC lines -- it's bound to have an effect on how page links are generated for the table of contents in a lot of other drafts, but I'll have a look at it nevertheless, and see if I can come up with something that works. Best, Henrik From richard.barnes@gmail.com Fri Jul 10 06:44:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666E728C12F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:44:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.669 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.669 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U-7kUR01jM34 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086263A6A97 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so723758fxm.43 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:45:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KvheVBmF7WdKiIoT5qzff9zNUB7pTlREzDPE7HYNGP0=; b=pu0z8UQuiGSc59ZSFDs9Oabau6fZZqD7HYwaGJezSKTPIwB5dXh9VIZBWLf7OtYIhO slbAqdyKw/lXPrpNWIcAZ3Q15gUhUDES39Hk5ytPczI5p/lI5bm/pwMPdZxdBZMHG73N HKXC6sN/6CMUMI9XdBiF5w1nJLwtbMmeJkq3o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QDKVztG1QyGwVQgUOPYXqI+ztU/2Daqhx8S2/AVAj8srIRRgMXUtHcTvfNJscS5m7+ qQuhAHnPaTnt2UibwEZf09e2r2EYh4CyZFncXP0d5OoD+rC6XHR87FnKW/pCSYt3Xshg GEjGqiYaDzlAnrXUz3mAGWCqbIIoN7YyMiCBc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.71.134 with SMTP id h6mr1940823bkj.70.1247233522786; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:45:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A574286.2050209@levkowetz.com> References: <4A574286.2050209@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:45:22 -0400 Message-ID: <88ac5c710907100645q4b8adcc5jad98d0e26dd51998@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Barnes To: Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Avshalom Houri , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-simple-interdomain-scaling-analysis-06 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:44:59 -0000 Perhaps the TOC heuristic could be adjusted so that it looks for a single, consolidated block of such lines, then ignores subsequent ones? --Richard On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wro= te: > Hi Avshalom, > > On 2009-07-08 23:13 Avshalom Houri said the following: >> Seems that the small numbers within the figures are understood as part o= f >> table of content and translated as referring to pages within the draft. >> This issue was found by A. Jean Mahoney. >> >> For example: >> >> ** Constants >> =A0 =A0(C01) Subscription lifetime (hours)...........................8 >> =A0 =A0(C02) Presence state changes / hour...........................3 >> =A0 =A0(C03) Subscription refresh interval / hour....................1 >> =A0 =A0(C04) Total federated presentities per watcher................4 > > Yes. =A0The conversion of text drafts to html relies heavily on heuristic= s, > and the use of a sequence of periods is one of the few reliable indicatio= ns > that something is a table of contents which I've found. =A0I'm a bit relu= ctant > to try tweaking this so your example doesn't trigger the recognition of > TOC lines -- it's bound to have an effect on how page links are generated > for the table of contents in a lot of other drafts, but I'll have a look > at it nevertheless, and see if I can come up with something that works. > > > Best, > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Henrik > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From stefan@aaa-sec.com Fri Jul 10 20:59:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7D33A67D8 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:59:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.884 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.884 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.365, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id chc8hSxAtMi3 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.95.112]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A693A67D0 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 54453 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 03:52:51 -0000 Received: from s34.loopia.se (HELO s42.loopia.se) ([194.9.94.70]) (envelope-sender ) by s87.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 11 Jul 2009 03:52:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 59576 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 03:52:50 -0000 Received: from 213-64-142-21-no153.business.telia.com (HELO [192.168.0.17]) (stefan@fiddler.nu@[213.64.142.21]) (envelope-sender ) by s42.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 11 Jul 2009 03:52:50 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.19.0.090515 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:52:48 +0200 From: Stefan Santesson To: Stefan Santesson , Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Java application for editing nroff formatted Internet Drafts Thread-Index: Acn7AD91RPee+k26MUGXbmqqDehO/gCo8sWtAAIVKVcBC6u9gQ== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF Discussion Mailing List , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Java application for editing nroff formatted Internet Drafts X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:59:19 -0000 Update FYI, In light of the xml2rfc discussion, I have now updated the NroffEdit tool (version 0.84) so that it correctly supports nroff content that has been auto generated by the xml2rfc tool. /Stefan On 09-07-05 10:08 PM, "Stefan Santesson" wrote: > > Sorry for the double posting. > > The link to the tool fell off. Here it is: > http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/index.html > > /Stefan > > > On 09-07-05 9:08 PM, "Stefan Santesson" wrote: > >> FYI, >> >> I have just released version 0.8 of NroffEdit (WYSIWYG nroff editor linked >> at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/) >> >> This version is now fully compatible with the IETF nroff template file >> (http://aaa-sec.com/pub/NroffEdit/2-nroff_template.nroff) and correctly >> implements all features that is supported by the RFC editor. >> >> /Stefan >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf From adam@nostrum.com Sat Jul 18 03:50:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A2328C329 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:50:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Oqsr+J8eHr1 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD5428C2F2 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydra-3.local (ppp-70-249-149-101.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [70.249.149.101]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n6IAo1qi029297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:50:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4A61A8D9.5010607@nostrum.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:50:01 -0500 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 70.249.149.101 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Replaced-by inconsistencies X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:50:05 -0000 It looks to me like the replaced-by information in drafts is being applied inconsistently. For example, if you look at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-holmberg-sipping-199-04 The "Versions" line reads "00 01 02 03 04 draft-ietf-sip-199", which is correct -- that is, because draft-ietf-sip-199 replaced draft-holmberg-sipping-199, it appears after all the versions. If you click on the draft-ietf-sip-199 link, you get taken here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sip-199-08 The "Versions" line links back to the draft that it replaced. Great! Now, lets look at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-presence-scaling-requirements-01 It correctly links back to draft-ietf-sipping-presence-scaling-requirements, which it replaced. So far, so good. However, if you go to draft-ietf-sipping-presence-scaling-requirements: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipping-presence-scaling-requirements-03 There's no link forward to the sipcore draft! The "Versions" line just goes up to 03, and stops. Certainly the tools should understand that the "replaces"/"replaced by" relationship is reciprocal. Is this database corruption, or incomplete data entry? It doesn't appear to be an isolated incident (cf., http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-keep-00) -- I would propose that an audit of the "replaces"/"replaced by" relationship data is in order... /a From henrik@levkowetz.com Sat Jul 18 13:34:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25C83A6B1C for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:34:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HpR4c5g5TGQk for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.186]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994DF3A69CD for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 13510380A9; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:01:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D9A37F65; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:01:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFD937E44; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:01:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44451 helo=chardonnay.local) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MSG60-0008LP-KK; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:01:24 +0200 Message-ID: <4A622A13.4090701@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:01:23 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Roach References: <4A61A8D9.5010607@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <4A61A8D9.5010607@nostrum.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: adam@nostrum.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Replaced-by inconsistencies X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:34:59 -0000 Hi Adam, The explanation is that the generated html files aren't always up-to-date, and the reason for that in turn is a bit more complex: 1) The load (number of accesses) on the html converted drafts and RFCs is sufficiently high that the 4 servers currently available wouldn't be able to handle it if the html version was dynamically generated in order to be fully up-to-date, 2) I try to keep the update frequency low, as I don't want search engines to believe that they have to check the whole 65,000+ corpus every day in order to catch changes... This means that a) I have a very long re-generation period of ~3 months -- unless something about the document state changes, a document is only re- generated if it is older than 3 months. That re-generation is done mainly to catch updates to the conversion tool, which happens now and then (see http://tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/changelog). b) In order to catch status changes in documents, an explicit re- generation has to be triggered when something changes which should be reflected in the html document. Re-generation is now triggered when a new version of a draft appears, when a draft appears in the datatracker, when a document is published as an RFC, and in some other cases. However, regeneration when new replaced-by information appears has not up to now been triggered. Which I'm now about to fix :-) Best, Henrik On 2009-07-18 12:50 Adam Roach said the following: > It looks to me like the replaced-by information in drafts is being > applied inconsistently. > > For example, if you look at: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-holmberg-sipping-199-04 > > The "Versions" line reads "00 01 02 03 04 draft-ietf-sip-199", which is > correct -- that is, because draft-ietf-sip-199 replaced > draft-holmberg-sipping-199, it appears after all the versions. > > If you click on the draft-ietf-sip-199 link, you get taken here: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sip-199-08 > > The "Versions" line links back to the draft that it replaced. Great! > > Now, lets look at: > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-presence-scaling-requirements-01 > > It correctly links back to > draft-ietf-sipping-presence-scaling-requirements, which it replaced. So > far, so good. However, if you go to > draft-ietf-sipping-presence-scaling-requirements: > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipping-presence-scaling-requirements-03 > > There's no link forward to the sipcore draft! The "Versions" line just > goes up to 03, and stops. > > Certainly the tools should understand that the "replaces"/"replaced by" > relationship is reciprocal. Is this database corruption, or incomplete > data entry? It doesn't appear to be an isolated incident (cf., > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-keep-00) -- I would > propose that an audit of the "replaces"/"replaced by" relationship data > is in order... > > /a > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From adam@nostrum.com Sat Jul 18 15:17:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0153A67A1 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:17:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jfZpDD2UtoEy for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C413A63CB for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydra-3.local (ppp-70-249-149-101.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [70.249.149.101]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n6IMHZEp026766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:17:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4A6249FF.6030206@nostrum.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:17:35 -0500 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <4A61A8D9.5010607@nostrum.com> <4A622A13.4090701@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4A622A13.4090701@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 70.249.149.101 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Replaced-by inconsistencies X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:17:41 -0000 Thanks for the explanation! That makes perfect sense. And I'm glad it's being fixed. /a Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Adam, > > The explanation is that the generated html files aren't always up-to-date, > and the reason for that in turn is a bit more complex: > > 1) The load (number of accesses) on the html converted drafts and > RFCs is sufficiently high that the 4 servers currently available > wouldn't be able to handle it if the html version was dynamically > generated in order to be fully up-to-date, > > 2) I try to keep the update frequency low, as I don't want search > engines to believe that they have to check the whole 65,000+ corpus > every day in order to catch changes... > > This means that > > a) I have a very long re-generation period of ~3 months -- unless > something about the document state changes, a document is only re- > generated if it is older than 3 months. That re-generation is done > mainly to catch updates to the conversion tool, which happens now > and then (see http://tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/changelog). > > b) In order to catch status changes in documents, an explicit re- > generation has to be triggered when something changes which should > be reflected in the html document. Re-generation is now triggered > when a new version of a draft appears, when a draft appears in the > datatracker, when a document is published as an RFC, and in some > other cases. > > However, regeneration when new replaced-by information appears has not > up to now been triggered. Which I'm now about to fix :-) > > > Best, > > Henrik > > > > On 2009-07-18 12:50 Adam Roach said the following: > >> It looks to me like the replaced-by information in drafts is being >> applied inconsistently. >> >> For example, if you look at: >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-holmberg-sipping-199-04 >> >> The "Versions" line reads "00 01 02 03 04 draft-ietf-sip-199", which is >> correct -- that is, because draft-ietf-sip-199 replaced >> draft-holmberg-sipping-199, it appears after all the versions. >> >> If you click on the draft-ietf-sip-199 link, you get taken here: >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sip-199-08 >> >> The "Versions" line links back to the draft that it replaced. Great! >> >> Now, lets look at: >> >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-presence-scaling-requirements-01 >> >> It correctly links back to >> draft-ietf-sipping-presence-scaling-requirements, which it replaced. So >> far, so good. However, if you go to >> draft-ietf-sipping-presence-scaling-requirements: >> >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipping-presence-scaling-requirements-03 >> >> There's no link forward to the sipcore draft! The "Versions" line just >> goes up to 03, and stops. >> >> Certainly the tools should understand that the "replaces"/"replaced by" >> relationship is reciprocal. Is this database corruption, or incomplete >> data entry? It doesn't appear to be an isolated incident (cf., >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-keep-00) -- I would >> propose that an audit of the "replaces"/"replaced by" relationship data >> is in order... >> >> /a >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> From stefan@aaa-sec.com Sat Jul 18 22:21:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3C43A692D for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:21:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.551 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_55=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RQuMnzWzTo2G for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.95.112]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEA23A68F6 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 84632 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2009 05:20:43 -0000 Received: from s34.loopia.se (HELO s29.loopia.se) ([194.9.94.70]) (envelope-sender ) by s87.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 Jul 2009 05:20:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 98535 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2009 05:20:41 -0000 Received: from 213-64-142-97-no153.business.telia.com (HELO [192.168.1.9]) (stefan@fiddler.nu@[213.64.142.97]) (envelope-sender ) by s29.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 Jul 2009 05:20:41 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.19.0.090515 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 07:20:39 +0200 From: Stefan Santesson To: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: Thread-Topic: NroffEdit 1.01 Thread-Index: AcoIMKcxQPkIn3oGzU+F+e1rJhbckw== In-Reply-To: <4A5F2484.9070807@levkowetz.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] NroffEdit 1.01 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:21:00 -0000 Henrik, I have now posted version 1.1 of NroffEdit, which will be the last update before IETF. I have changed the location for support data to /Library/Application Support/NroffEdit for the Mac version as you suggested. The shortcut keys for the Mac version uses Command instead of Ctrl now. NroffEdit now comes with a function to Create an Nroff version of a Draft or an RFC by simply processing a text version of the document. Simply cut and paste any RFC from the IETF website, and select convert to Nroff, and you will get an Nroff version of it. Fonts are changed both for Mac and Windows to use Courier fonts. Screenshots and info are available at: http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/index.html Guess that's about it. /Stefan On 09-07-16 3:00 PM, "Henrik Levkowetz" wrote: > Hi Stefan, > > On 2009-07-16 14:27 Stefan Santesson said the following: >> Hi Henrik, >> >> You can store the application wherever you want, > > Ack; it's only the support files I don't want in /Applications -- the > app itself belongs there. > >> it is only the empty.nroff >> file that is searched for in Applications/Nroff > > Right, that's what I understood. > >> I have no problem changing that to ~/Library/Application Support if you >> prefer. > > I think most apps look for their support files first in > /Library/Application Support/ and then in ~/Library/Application Support/ > >> About the font it strikes me that you may not have the font I selected which >> is Lucida Console. Could that be why you default to another font? > > Probably; Font Book.app tells me I have Lucida Grande, but not Lucida Console. > >> I have changed the Mac version 1.01b where I changed the font to courier. >> http://aaa-sec.com/pub/NroffEdit/NroffEditMac101b.zip > > Yep, that gives me a fixed-width font. Good :-) > >> I hope that works better. > > It does. Of course, I now notice some other issues; the first of them > minor, but one a bit more major for me personally, and probably hard for > you to fix, assuming you're using a default edit pane component: > > * The File Save and File Open key shortcuts doesn't follow the Mac > standard; they use ^S and ^O instead of Command-S and Command-O > > * The editing key shortcuts (at least on my Mac) bear some similarity > to Emacs, which is good (for me) -- > ^p Previous line > ^n Next line > ^f Forward character > ^b Backwards character > ^a Beginning of line > ^e End of line > -- but that's about where it ends. The next commands I use frequently > are: > ^k Kill to end of line > ^y Yank back previous kill > and they're not there. Then there are just so very many more... > With the Emacs command set almost hardwired in my fingers by now, > I'll probably go slowly mad trying to work seriously with this ,;-) > > I do however hope that it's useful to some people; I'm glad there are > some alternatives to xml2rfc. Xml2rfc has been good for the community, > but there are also drawbacks to monocultures. > > > Best, > > Henrik > From mnot@mnot.net Sun Jul 19 19:38:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7893A6CEC for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:38:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g3-fPGLN01rJ for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D733A6CE6 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [121.44.193.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4354823E3F4 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2CB47414-1DE7-4F64-8B79-4530A14F8DFA@mnot.net> From: Mark Nottingham To: Tools Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:37:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Request: adjust print CSS to remove sidebar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:38:07 -0000 Most pages on tools.ietf.org have a left-hand banner that includes links to WGs, etc. This is distracting and a waste of space when pages are printed. Can the CSS be modified to exclude it when printing? Other elements probably deserve a look at well... I'm happy to come up with the proposed changes, if desired. Cheers, -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From henrik@netnod.se Mon Jul 20 14:58:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57BB83A69B1 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:58:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bd85c9q-bHmA for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from defiant.autonomica.se (defiant.autonomica.se [192.71.80.105]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDB63A69A0 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chardonnay.local (host-90-232-120-176.mobileonline.telia.com [90.232.120.176]) (Authenticated sender: henrik) by defiant.autonomica.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5A81018D8B0; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:57:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A64E840.4000708@netnod.se> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:57:20 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Nottingham References: <2CB47414-1DE7-4F64-8B79-4530A14F8DFA@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: <2CB47414-1DE7-4F64-8B79-4530A14F8DFA@mnot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tools Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Request: adjust print CSS to remove sidebar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Henrik Levkowetz List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:58:02 -0000 Hi Mark, On 2009-07-20 04:37 Mark Nottingham said the following: > Most pages on tools.ietf.org have a left-hand banner that includes > links to WGs, etc. > > This is distracting and a waste of space when pages are printed. > > Can the CSS be modified to exclude it when printing? Certainly. > Other elements > probably deserve a look at well... > > I'm happy to come up with the proposed changes, if desired. That would be very welcome! Best, Henrik From mnot@mnot.net Mon Jul 20 16:28:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D193A6905 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:28:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.428, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=1.13] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GT7ng+bQ5rO7 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA8F3A6781 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [121.44.193.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 95E48509DB; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <87721EE3-4673-47D9-B589-4C31D46981A9@mnot.net> From: Mark Nottingham To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <4A64E840.4000708@netnod.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:27:47 +1000 References: <2CB47414-1DE7-4F64-8B79-4530A14F8DFA@mnot.net> <4A64E840.4000708@netnod.se> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: Tools Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Request: adjust print CSS to remove sidebar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:28:15 -0000 I think all you need to do is add this to the CSS: @media print { .wglist { display: none; } } Cheers, On 21/07/2009, at 7:57 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Mark, > > On 2009-07-20 04:37 Mark Nottingham said the following: >> Most pages on tools.ietf.org have a left-hand banner that includes >> links to WGs, etc. >> >> This is distracting and a waste of space when pages are printed. >> >> Can the CSS be modified to exclude it when printing? > > Certainly. > >> Other elements >> probably deserve a look at well... >> >> I'm happy to come up with the proposed changes, if desired. > > That would be very welcome! > > > Best, > > Henrik -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Jul 21 02:21:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3555028C18C for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:21:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vmnyQ-gg2aIB for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126C33A6C49 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:58428) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MTBXW-0005vT-MX; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:21:38 +0200 Message-ID: <4A6588A2.4060505@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:21:38 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Nottingham References: <2CB47414-1DE7-4F64-8B79-4530A14F8DFA@mnot.net> <4A64E840.4000708@netnod.se> <87721EE3-4673-47D9-B589-4C31D46981A9@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: <87721EE3-4673-47D9-B589-4C31D46981A9@mnot.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: mnot@mnot.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Request: adjust print CSS to remove sidebar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:21:51 -0000 Hi Mark, On 2009-07-21 01:27 Mark Nottingham said the following: > I think all you need to do is add this to the CSS: > > @media print { > .wglist { display: none; } > } Thanks! Done! Best, Henrik > Cheers, > > > On 21/07/2009, at 7:57 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> On 2009-07-20 04:37 Mark Nottingham said the following: >>> Most pages on tools.ietf.org have a left-hand banner that includes >>> links to WGs, etc. >>> >>> This is distracting and a waste of space when pages are printed. >>> >>> Can the CSS be modified to exclude it when printing? >> Certainly. >> >>> Other elements >>> probably deserve a look at well... >>> >>> I'm happy to come up with the proposed changes, if desired. >> That would be very welcome! >> >> >> Best, >> >> Henrik > > > -- > Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ > > From mnot@mnot.net Tue Jul 21 02:45:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B803A6921 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:45:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=1.13] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hy05jBTRwY18 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C723A677D for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [121.44.193.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 10FBC509D9; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <26ED4A9E-977D-4178-AE4C-A7324666C2D4@mnot.net> From: Mark Nottingham To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <4A6588A2.4060505@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:43:38 +1000 References: <2CB47414-1DE7-4F64-8B79-4530A14F8DFA@mnot.net> <4A64E840.4000708@netnod.se> <87721EE3-4673-47D9-B589-4C31D46981A9@mnot.net> <4A6588A2.4060505@levkowetz.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: Tools Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Request: adjust print CSS to remove sidebar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:45:51 -0000 Works perfectly, at least in the issues list (which is where I cared about). Thanks! On 21/07/2009, at 7:21 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Mark, > > On 2009-07-21 01:27 Mark Nottingham said the following: >> I think all you need to do is add this to the CSS: >> >> @media print { >> .wglist { display: none; } >> } > > Thanks! Done! > > > Best, > > Henrik > > >> Cheers, >> >> >> On 21/07/2009, at 7:57 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> On 2009-07-20 04:37 Mark Nottingham said the following: >>>> Most pages on tools.ietf.org have a left-hand banner that includes >>>> links to WGs, etc. >>>> >>>> This is distracting and a waste of space when pages are printed. >>>> >>>> Can the CSS be modified to exclude it when printing? >>> Certainly. >>> >>>> Other elements >>>> probably deserve a look at well... >>>> >>>> I'm happy to come up with the proposed changes, if desired. >>> That would be very welcome! >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Henrik >> >> >> -- >> Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ >> >> -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From mnot@mnot.net Wed Jul 22 19:30:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3713A6CA7 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.622 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.622 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.023, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fQJgoXr1vI7A for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9853A6BCD for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [121.44.193.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 156F3509D9 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Mark Nottingham To: Tools Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:29:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [Tools-discuss] HTTPbis tickets CSS request X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:30:48 -0000 Because we just started using priorities on our tickets, most of our tickets have a 'none' priority, which means that we need to set the first possible priority as 'normal', because that's what's set in the form as the default when editing a ticket with a 'none' priority*. However, doing this means that tickets with a 'normal' priority are highlighted red (probably because they assume that the first priority is "urgent"). I think that can be fixed by making changes as below to the following CSS rules in . ---8<--- .tickets tr.color1-odd { } .tickets tr.color1-even { } .tickets tr.color4-odd { background: #fdc; border-color: #e88; color: #a22 } .tickets tr.color4-even { background: #fed; border-color: #e99; color: #a22 } --->8--- Could someone please change these rules for us? Thanks! * I think this is a bug in Trac; a ticket with no assigned priority should have its edit form default to the value identified as the default (obviously). However, kludging the CSS is the shortest path to victory here... -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Jul 23 06:59:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A703A6AB5 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:59:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qD0U5Xlcg0Rs for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71783A6A04 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:56055) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MTypR-000807-17; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:59:25 +0200 Message-ID: <4A686CBC.6080700@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:59:24 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Nottingham References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: mnot@mnot.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTTPbis tickets CSS request X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:59:30 -0000 Hi Mark, I've implemented this by adding a line for an additional site-specific .css file in the site page template for httpbis' trac, and then in that file (httpbis.css) I've set: .tickets tr.color1-odd { background: #fff; border-color: #ccc; color: #000; } .tickets tr.color1-even { background: #fff; border-color: #ccc; color: #000; } .tickets tr.color4-odd { background: #fdc; border-color: #e88; color: #a22; } .tickets tr.color4-even { background: #fed; border-color: #e99; color: #a22; } This seemed the most straightforward way, as styles and templates are generally common to all the trac instances, but the site page template (httpbis/trac/templates/site.html) provides the starting point for individual instance customizations. Best, Henrik On 2009-07-23 04:29 Mark Nottingham said the following: > Because we just started using priorities on our tickets, most of our > tickets have a 'none' priority, which means that we need to set the > first possible priority as 'normal', because that's what's set in the > form as the default when editing a ticket with a 'none' priority*. > > However, doing this means that tickets with a 'normal' priority are > highlighted red (probably because they assume that the first priority > is "urgent"). > > I think that can be fixed by making changes as below to the following > CSS rules in >. > > ---8<--- > .tickets tr.color1-odd { } > .tickets tr.color1-even { } > .tickets tr.color4-odd { background: #fdc; border-color: #e88; color: > #a22 } > .tickets tr.color4-even { background: #fed; border-color: #e99; color: > #a22 } > --->8--- > > Could someone please change these rules for us? > > Thanks! > > > * I think this is a bug in Trac; a ticket with no assigned priority > should have its edit form default to the value identified as the > default (obviously). However, kludging the CSS is the shortest path to > victory here... > > > -- > Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From mnot@mnot.net Thu Jul 23 18:26:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636423A692E for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:26:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.93 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.93 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.331, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3jKxnfgX5UK9 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3173A6A20 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [121.44.193.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C1AA509D9; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Mark Nottingham To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <4A686CBC.6080700@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:26:42 +1000 References: <4A686CBC.6080700@levkowetz.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: Tools Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTTPbis tickets CSS request X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:26:56 -0000 Looks great -- thanks! On 23/07/2009, at 11:59 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I've implemented this by adding a line for an additional site-specific > .css file in the site page template for httpbis' trac, and then in > that > file (httpbis.css) I've set: > > .tickets tr.color1-odd { background: #fff; border-color: #ccc; > color: #000; } > .tickets tr.color1-even { background: #fff; border-color: #ccc; > color: #000; } > .tickets tr.color4-odd { background: #fdc; border-color: #e88; > color: #a22; } > .tickets tr.color4-even { background: #fed; border-color: #e99; > color: #a22; } > > This seemed the most straightforward way, as styles and templates are > generally common to all the trac instances, but the site page template > (httpbis/trac/templates/site.html) provides the starting point for > individual > instance customizations. > > Best, > > Henrik > > On 2009-07-23 04:29 Mark Nottingham said the following: >> Because we just started using priorities on our tickets, most of our >> tickets have a 'none' priority, which means that we need to set the >> first possible priority as 'normal', because that's what's set in the >> form as the default when editing a ticket with a 'none' priority*. >> >> However, doing this means that tickets with a 'normal' priority are >> highlighted red (probably because they assume that the first priority >> is "urgent"). >> >> I think that can be fixed by making changes as below to the following >> CSS rules in >> . >> >> ---8<--- >> .tickets tr.color1-odd { } >> .tickets tr.color1-even { } >> .tickets tr.color4-odd { background: #fdc; border-color: #e88; color: >> #a22 } >> .tickets tr.color4-even { background: #fed; border-color: #e99; >> color: >> #a22 } >> --->8--- >> >> Could someone please change these rules for us? >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> * I think this is a bug in Trac; a ticket with no assigned priority >> should have its edit form default to the value identified as the >> default (obviously). However, kludging the CSS is the shortest path >> to >> victory here... >> >> >> -- >> Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From ekr@networkresonance.com Sun Jul 26 17:05:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70ACD3A683C for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:05:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.741 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.741 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.858, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TbWKCsosSoBd for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from romeo.rtfm.com (romeo.rtfm.com [74.95.2.173]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA083A6765 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from romeo.rtfm.com (localhost.rtfm.com [127.0.0.1]) by romeo.rtfm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDAB50822 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:09:34 -0700 From: Eric Rescorla To: tools-discuss@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20090727000934.3FDAB50822@romeo.rtfm.com> Subject: [Tools-discuss] Missing agenda? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:05:59 -0000 When I go to: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/75/ I find it empty. Is this a bug...? -Ekr From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Jul 27 08:56:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8416E28C250 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:56:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hw0F7gm7YueK for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.184]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F15F28C1FA for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id D38B03826F; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:56:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E86381C0; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:56:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8124F37E49; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:56:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41610 helo=dhcp-56f9.meeting.ietf.org) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVSZ1-00068V-5h; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:56:35 +0200 Message-ID: <4A6DCE32.7010206@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:56:34 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Rescorla References: <20090727000934.3FDAB50822@romeo.rtfm.com> In-Reply-To: <20090727000934.3FDAB50822@romeo.rtfm.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: ekr@networkresonance.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Missing agenda? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:56:36 -0000 Hi Ekr, On 2009-07-27 02:09 Eric Rescorla said the following: > When I go to: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/75/ > > I find it empty. Is this a bug...? It certainly was. I fixed it when I saw it this morning, before the sessions started. Sorry I wasn't awake to fix it earler ,;-) Best, Henrik From ekr@networkresonance.com Mon Jul 27 08:58:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6903A69AF for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:58:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.823 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.823 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.776, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LQlAHDVpjg+r for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from romeo.rtfm.com (romeo.rtfm.com [74.95.2.173]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBA73A6C0E for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from romeo.rtfm.com (localhost.rtfm.com [127.0.0.1]) by romeo.rtfm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF1D50822; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:02:23 -0700 From: Eric Rescorla To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <4A6DCE32.7010206@levkowetz.com> References: <20090727000934.3FDAB50822@romeo.rtfm.com> <4A6DCE32.7010206@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20090727160223.3AF1D50822@romeo.rtfm.com> Cc: Eric Rescorla , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Missing agenda? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:58:52 -0000 At Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:56:34 +0200, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > > Hi Ekr, > > On 2009-07-27 02:09 Eric Rescorla said the following: > > When I go to: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/75/ > > > > I find it empty. Is this a bug...? > > It certainly was. I fixed it when I saw it this morning, > before the sessions started. Sorry I wasn't awake to fix it > earler ,;-) Works great now. Soon enough for me. -Ekr From fred@cisco.com Thu Jul 30 02:37:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A9228C283; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:37:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.115 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.115 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.484, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RwT9Mx11w8oF; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3843F28C17B; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:37:18 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AncAAF8GcUqQ/uCLe2dsb2JhbACBUpcGgTQWJAaeVIgnkBcFhBGBTg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,294,1246838400"; d="scan'208";a="46124241" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2009 09:37:18 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n6U9bISe032462; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:37:18 +0200 Received: from dhcp-56c8.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-10-61-100-240.cisco.com [10.61.100.240]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n6U9bIlM000547; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:37:18 GMT Message-Id: <7D36EA2D-F46D-4419-B536-A08D94417944@cisco.com> From: Fred Baker To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:37:18 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=10710; t=1248946638; x=1249810638; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:=20Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:=20bounces=20from=20tools.ietf.org |Sender:=20; bh=hKQJVONoWX3leNHOjgaL856EIHsZOzUkK8jzqnia41A=; b=ARY9eYVEtnNufk6WluiviJK4E6Uj46RvTcf8tKyy6QTgbuIw37BEJf9aFi X5pTCWu4MNwxFG8N0JgcR5G4wcxShkfRCn8TQ58EZkd3b0ai0pEIsMos1XFX TyC0+AFcX8; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: ietf-action@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] bounces from tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:37:20 -0000 I must be missing something. Is tools.ietf.org offline? Begin forwarded message: > From: "Mail Delivery System" > Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:17 AM GMT+02:00 > To: fred@cisco.com > Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) > > The following message to was undeliverable. > The reason for the problem: > 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'Unrouteable address' > Reporting-MTA: dns; ams-iport-1.cisco.com > > Final-Recipient: rfc822;v6ops-ads@tools.ietf.org > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure) > Remote-MTA: dns; [64.170.98.42] > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error > 550-'Unrouteable address' (delivery attempts: 0) > > From: Fred Baker > Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:08 AM GMT+02:00 > To: Ralph Droms , draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router@tools.ietf.org > , draft-donley-ipv6-cpe-rtr-use-cases-and-reqs@tools.ietf.org, Jean- > Francois Mule , Barbara Stark > , Ole Troan , Mark Townsley >, Kurt Erik Lindqvist , Heather Kirksey > > Cc: v6ops-ads@tools.ietf.org, 6man Chairs <6man- > chairs@tools.ietf.org>, 6man-ads@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Working out the CPE Router Draft or Drafts > > > I'd like to arrange a webex session (Cisco gives me the use of that > for free) to discuss the direction of the CPE router draft(s). The > folks on the CC line are welcome but not a target audience; I really > would like the authors, or at least the principal authors, involved. > > In the WG meeting, we discussed a "phase I" and a "phase II". In > part, my purpose here is to come to an initial triage - what do we > want in a phase I document (one that is non-controversial, answers > at least some important questions, and can be advanced in November), > and what (which may be a subset or superset of what remains) do we > want in a phase II document? I also want to come to some simple > agreements on the content of phase I - if we have things that are > not well understood but can be quickly sorted out, let's do so. > > The author team I would like to have on the phase I draft includes > one person from the present author team, one person from the Donley > draft, and one person from BBF. From various discussions, this seems > to come down to Wes Beebee, Chris Donley, and Ole Troan. Does anyone > have heartburn with that? I would like a commitment from the members > of the team to be present in Hiroshima and if necessary the meeting > in Anaheim next spring. http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html > > I understand that there is also some desire to have other drafts > running in parallel, perhaps describing use cases. I'm open to that; > I think we need to describe the most common use cases in an appendix > or appendices in the draft, but see no reason to not have other > documents describing other use cases. MY one request is that they be > written with the knowledge of the author team and in such a manner > that exposes requirements or gives practical guidance about how to > use the CPE router that the WG document describes. I'll send those > along not as working group drafts but as informational drafts > friendly to the WG draft. > > My question is: what time works? Would you be so kind as to update http://doodle.com/ay9aax3xsru4q6t6 > with what works for you, and I will pick a time/date? > > Begin forwarded message: > From: "Mail Delivery System" > Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:17 AM GMT+02:00 > To: fred@cisco.com > Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) > > The following message to <6man-ads@tools.ietf.org> was undeliverable. > The reason for the problem: > 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'Unrouteable address' > Reporting-MTA: dns; ams-iport-1.cisco.com > > Final-Recipient: rfc822;6man-ads@tools.ietf.org > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure) > Remote-MTA: dns; [64.170.98.42] > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error > 550-'Unrouteable address' (delivery attempts: 0) > > From: Fred Baker > Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:08 AM GMT+02:00 > To: Ralph Droms , draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router@tools.ietf.org > , draft-donley-ipv6-cpe-rtr-use-cases-and-reqs@tools.ietf.org, Jean- > Francois Mule , Barbara Stark > , Ole Troan , Mark Townsley >, Kurt Erik Lindqvist , Heather Kirksey > > Cc: v6ops-ads@tools.ietf.org, 6man Chairs <6man- > chairs@tools.ietf.org>, 6man-ads@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Working out the CPE Router Draft or Drafts > > > I'd like to arrange a webex session (Cisco gives me the use of that > for free) to discuss the direction of the CPE router draft(s). The > folks on the CC line are welcome but not a target audience; I really > would like the authors, or at least the principal authors, involved. > > In the WG meeting, we discussed a "phase I" and a "phase II". In > part, my purpose here is to come to an initial triage - what do we > want in a phase I document (one that is non-controversial, answers > at least some important questions, and can be advanced in November), > and what (which may be a subset or superset of what remains) do we > want in a phase II document? I also want to come to some simple > agreements on the content of phase I - if we have things that are > not well understood but can be quickly sorted out, let's do so. > > The author team I would like to have on the phase I draft includes > one person from the present author team, one person from the Donley > draft, and one person from BBF. From various discussions, this seems > to come down to Wes Beebee, Chris Donley, and Ole Troan. Does anyone > have heartburn with that? I would like a commitment from the members > of the team to be present in Hiroshima and if necessary the meeting > in Anaheim next spring. http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html > > I understand that there is also some desire to have other drafts > running in parallel, perhaps describing use cases. I'm open to that; > I think we need to describe the most common use cases in an appendix > or appendices in the draft, but see no reason to not have other > documents describing other use cases. MY one request is that they be > written with the knowledge of the author team and in such a manner > that exposes requirements or gives practical guidance about how to > use the CPE router that the WG document describes. I'll send those > along not as working group drafts but as informational drafts > friendly to the WG draft. > > My question is: what time works? Would you be so kind as to update http://doodle.com/ay9aax3xsru4q6t6 > with what works for you, and I will pick a time/date? > > Begin forwarded message: > From: "Mail Delivery System" > Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:17 AM GMT+02:00 > To: fred@cisco.com > Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) > > The following message to <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org> was > undeliverable. > The reason for the problem: > 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'Unrouteable address' > Reporting-MTA: dns; ams-iport-1.cisco.com > > Final-Recipient: rfc822;6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure) > Remote-MTA: dns; [64.170.98.42] > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error > 550-'Unrouteable address' (delivery attempts: 0) > > From: Fred Baker > Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:08 AM GMT+02:00 > To: Ralph Droms , draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router@tools.ietf.org > , draft-donley-ipv6-cpe-rtr-use-cases-and-reqs@tools.ietf.org, Jean- > Francois Mule , Barbara Stark > , Ole Troan , Mark Townsley >, Kurt Erik Lindqvist , Heather Kirksey > > Cc: v6ops-ads@tools.ietf.org, 6man Chairs <6man- > chairs@tools.ietf.org>, 6man-ads@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Working out the CPE Router Draft or Drafts > > > I'd like to arrange a webex session (Cisco gives me the use of that > for free) to discuss the direction of the CPE router draft(s). The > folks on the CC line are welcome but not a target audience; I really > would like the authors, or at least the principal authors, involved. > > In the WG meeting, we discussed a "phase I" and a "phase II". In > part, my purpose here is to come to an initial triage - what do we > want in a phase I document (one that is non-controversial, answers > at least some important questions, and can be advanced in November), > and what (which may be a subset or superset of what remains) do we > want in a phase II document? I also want to come to some simple > agreements on the content of phase I - if we have things that are > not well understood but can be quickly sorted out, let's do so. > > The author team I would like to have on the phase I draft includes > one person from the present author team, one person from the Donley > draft, and one person from BBF. From various discussions, this seems > to come down to Wes Beebee, Chris Donley, and Ole Troan. Does anyone > have heartburn with that? I would like a commitment from the members > of the team to be present in Hiroshima and if necessary the meeting > in Anaheim next spring. http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html > > I understand that there is also some desire to have other drafts > running in parallel, perhaps describing use cases. I'm open to that; > I think we need to describe the most common use cases in an appendix > or appendices in the draft, but see no reason to not have other > documents describing other use cases. MY one request is that they be > written with the knowledge of the author team and in such a manner > that exposes requirements or gives practical guidance about how to > use the CPE router that the WG document describes. I'll send those > along not as working group drafts but as informational drafts > friendly to the WG draft. > > My question is: what time works? Would you be so kind as to update http://doodle.com/ay9aax3xsru4q6t6 > with what works for you, and I will pick a time/date? > > From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Jul 30 04:27:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540483A6FF5; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:27:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.141, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jhz7EDLOWf+l; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4760B3A6C60; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 199A8384CD; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:55:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F8E37EA0; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:55:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FC037F23; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:27:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48474 helo=dhcp-56f9.meeting.ietf.org) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MWTmm-0002tx-Oa; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:27:00 +0200 Message-ID: <4A718384.1030107@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:27:00 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker References: <7D36EA2D-F46D-4419-B536-A08D94417944@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <7D36EA2D-F46D-4419-B536-A08D94417944@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: fred@cisco.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, ietf-action@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: ietf-action@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bounces from tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:27:04 -0000 Hi Fred, With the IETF website reorganization, the 1wg-summary.txt file (www.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-summary.txt) which lists the ADs and Chairs of the various WGs stopped being updated. I discovered this yesterday, and switched over to an equivalent page which fortunately had been completed during the code sprint Saturday. Unfortunately, there were formatting differences between the old and new files, which caused the extraction of chair and AD information to the alias list to partially fail, which caused the delivery failure you forwarded. I've fixed this now. Sorry for the service interruption. Regards, Henrik On 2009-07-30 11:37 Fred Baker said the following: > I must be missing something. Is tools.ietf.org offline? > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Mail Delivery System" >> Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:17 AM GMT+02:00 >> To: fred@cisco.com >> Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) >> >> The following message to was undeliverable. >> The reason for the problem: >> 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'Unrouteable address' >> Reporting-MTA: dns; ams-iport-1.cisco.com >> >> Final-Recipient: rfc822;v6ops-ads@tools.ietf.org >> Action: failed >> Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure) >> Remote-MTA: dns; [64.170.98.42] >> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error >> 550-'Unrouteable address' (delivery attempts: 0) >> >> From: Fred Baker >> Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:08 AM GMT+02:00 >> To: Ralph Droms , draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router@tools.ietf.org >> , draft-donley-ipv6-cpe-rtr-use-cases-and-reqs@tools.ietf.org, Jean- >> Francois Mule , Barbara Stark >> , Ole Troan , Mark Townsley >> , Kurt Erik Lindqvist , Heather Kirksey >> >> Cc: v6ops-ads@tools.ietf.org, 6man Chairs <6man- >> chairs@tools.ietf.org>, 6man-ads@tools.ietf.org >> Subject: Working out the CPE Router Draft or Drafts >> >> >> I'd like to arrange a webex session (Cisco gives me the use of that >> for free) to discuss the direction of the CPE router draft(s). The >> folks on the CC line are welcome but not a target audience; I really >> would like the authors, or at least the principal authors, involved. >> >> In the WG meeting, we discussed a "phase I" and a "phase II". In >> part, my purpose here is to come to an initial triage - what do we >> want in a phase I document (one that is non-controversial, answers >> at least some important questions, and can be advanced in November), >> and what (which may be a subset or superset of what remains) do we >> want in a phase II document? I also want to come to some simple >> agreements on the content of phase I - if we have things that are >> not well understood but can be quickly sorted out, let's do so. >> >> The author team I would like to have on the phase I draft includes >> one person from the present author team, one person from the Donley >> draft, and one person from BBF. From various discussions, this seems >> to come down to Wes Beebee, Chris Donley, and Ole Troan. Does anyone >> have heartburn with that? I would like a commitment from the members >> of the team to be present in Hiroshima and if necessary the meeting >> in Anaheim next spring. http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html >> >> I understand that there is also some desire to have other drafts >> running in parallel, perhaps describing use cases. I'm open to that; >> I think we need to describe the most common use cases in an appendix >> or appendices in the draft, but see no reason to not have other >> documents describing other use cases. MY one request is that they be >> written with the knowledge of the author team and in such a manner >> that exposes requirements or gives practical guidance about how to >> use the CPE router that the WG document describes. I'll send those >> along not as working group drafts but as informational drafts >> friendly to the WG draft. >> >> My question is: what time works? Would you be so kind as to update http://doodle.com/ay9aax3xsru4q6t6 >> with what works for you, and I will pick a time/date? >> >> > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Mail Delivery System" >> Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:17 AM GMT+02:00 >> To: fred@cisco.com >> Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) >> >> The following message to <6man-ads@tools.ietf.org> was undeliverable. >> The reason for the problem: >> 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'Unrouteable address' >> Reporting-MTA: dns; ams-iport-1.cisco.com >> >> Final-Recipient: rfc822;6man-ads@tools.ietf.org >> Action: failed >> Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure) >> Remote-MTA: dns; [64.170.98.42] >> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error >> 550-'Unrouteable address' (delivery attempts: 0) >> >> From: Fred Baker >> Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:08 AM GMT+02:00 >> To: Ralph Droms , draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router@tools.ietf.org >> , draft-donley-ipv6-cpe-rtr-use-cases-and-reqs@tools.ietf.org, Jean- >> Francois Mule , Barbara Stark >> , Ole Troan , Mark Townsley >> , Kurt Erik Lindqvist , Heather Kirksey >> >> Cc: v6ops-ads@tools.ietf.org, 6man Chairs <6man- >> chairs@tools.ietf.org>, 6man-ads@tools.ietf.org >> Subject: Working out the CPE Router Draft or Drafts >> >> >> I'd like to arrange a webex session (Cisco gives me the use of that >> for free) to discuss the direction of the CPE router draft(s). The >> folks on the CC line are welcome but not a target audience; I really >> would like the authors, or at least the principal authors, involved. >> >> In the WG meeting, we discussed a "phase I" and a "phase II". In >> part, my purpose here is to come to an initial triage - what do we >> want in a phase I document (one that is non-controversial, answers >> at least some important questions, and can be advanced in November), >> and what (which may be a subset or superset of what remains) do we >> want in a phase II document? I also want to come to some simple >> agreements on the content of phase I - if we have things that are >> not well understood but can be quickly sorted out, let's do so. >> >> The author team I would like to have on the phase I draft includes >> one person from the present author team, one person from the Donley >> draft, and one person from BBF. From various discussions, this seems >> to come down to Wes Beebee, Chris Donley, and Ole Troan. Does anyone >> have heartburn with that? I would like a commitment from the members >> of the team to be present in Hiroshima and if necessary the meeting >> in Anaheim next spring. http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html >> >> I understand that there is also some desire to have other drafts >> running in parallel, perhaps describing use cases. I'm open to that; >> I think we need to describe the most common use cases in an appendix >> or appendices in the draft, but see no reason to not have other >> documents describing other use cases. MY one request is that they be >> written with the knowledge of the author team and in such a manner >> that exposes requirements or gives practical guidance about how to >> use the CPE router that the WG document describes. I'll send those >> along not as working group drafts but as informational drafts >> friendly to the WG draft. >> >> My question is: what time works? Would you be so kind as to update http://doodle.com/ay9aax3xsru4q6t6 >> with what works for you, and I will pick a time/date? >> >> > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Mail Delivery System" >> Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:17 AM GMT+02:00 >> To: fred@cisco.com >> Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) >> >> The following message to <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org> was >> undeliverable. >> The reason for the problem: >> 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'Unrouteable address' >> Reporting-MTA: dns; ams-iport-1.cisco.com >> >> Final-Recipient: rfc822;6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org >> Action: failed >> Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure) >> Remote-MTA: dns; [64.170.98.42] >> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error >> 550-'Unrouteable address' (delivery attempts: 0) >> >> From: Fred Baker >> Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:08 AM GMT+02:00 >> To: Ralph Droms , draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router@tools.ietf.org >> , draft-donley-ipv6-cpe-rtr-use-cases-and-reqs@tools.ietf.org, Jean- >> Francois Mule , Barbara Stark >> , Ole Troan , Mark Townsley >> , Kurt Erik Lindqvist , Heather Kirksey >> >> Cc: v6ops-ads@tools.ietf.org, 6man Chairs <6man- >> chairs@tools.ietf.org>, 6man-ads@tools.ietf.org >> Subject: Working out the CPE Router Draft or Drafts >> >> >> I'd like to arrange a webex session (Cisco gives me the use of that >> for free) to discuss the direction of the CPE router draft(s). The >> folks on the CC line are welcome but not a target audience; I really >> would like the authors, or at least the principal authors, involved. >> >> In the WG meeting, we discussed a "phase I" and a "phase II". In >> part, my purpose here is to come to an initial triage - what do we >> want in a phase I document (one that is non-controversial, answers >> at least some important questions, and can be advanced in November), >> and what (which may be a subset or superset of what remains) do we >> want in a phase II document? I also want to come to some simple >> agreements on the content of phase I - if we have things that are >> not well understood but can be quickly sorted out, let's do so. >> >> The author team I would like to have on the phase I draft includes >> one person from the present author team, one person from the Donley >> draft, and one person from BBF. From various discussions, this seems >> to come down to Wes Beebee, Chris Donley, and Ole Troan. Does anyone >> have heartburn with that? I would like a commitment from the members >> of the team to be present in Hiroshima and if necessary the meeting >> in Anaheim next spring. http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html >> >> I understand that there is also some desire to have other drafts >> running in parallel, perhaps describing use cases. I'm open to that; >> I think we need to describe the most common use cases in an appendix >> or appendices in the draft, but see no reason to not have other >> documents describing other use cases. MY one request is that they be >> written with the knowledge of the author team and in such a manner >> that exposes requirements or gives practical guidance about how to >> use the CPE router that the WG document describes. I'll send those >> along not as working group drafts but as informational drafts >> friendly to the WG draft. >> >> My question is: what time works? Would you be so kind as to update http://doodle.com/ay9aax3xsru4q6t6 >> with what works for you, and I will pick a time/date? >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From fred@cisco.com Thu Jul 30 04:39:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A472D3A6950; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:39:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.132 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.132 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.467, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qqtpSb2Lgfa4; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2253A6C60; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:38:43 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AncAAKojcUqQ/uCLe2dsb2JhbACBUpcGgTUWJAaeYYgnkCUFgiyBZYFO X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,295,1246838400"; d="scan'208";a="46135883" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2009 11:38:43 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n6UBcfLt031965; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:38:41 +0200 Received: from dhcp-56c8.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-10-61-102-132.cisco.com [10.61.102.132]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n6UBcfPo005044; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:38:41 GMT Message-Id: From: Fred Baker To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <4A718384.1030107@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:38:40 +0200 References: <7D36EA2D-F46D-4419-B536-A08D94417944@cisco.com> <4A718384.1030107@levkowetz.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=12111; t=1248953921; x=1249817921; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:=20Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[Tools-discuss]=20bounces=20from=20tool s.ietf.org |Sender:=20; bh=pwoHBvw4OpSCqX1fwrZSA/mFunlTWoPr3JQZ+10cKgg=; b=ofdsY+yrNSYjqhjQgRb3EPD3N9yEVcdwnHPbXDq+PCM1uK5p7RwQWzNyPu Eupq+Suk1Ys9S7V/xzIDcWwtOrWO1ZrjzbxOKDE1dAe0YEmpCbIqrWdTHTn1 LuvGWRaB/L; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: ietf-action@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bounces from tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:39:18 -0000 Thanks. Case closed. On Jul 30, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Fred, > > With the IETF website reorganization, the 1wg-summary.txt file > (www.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-summary.txt) which lists the ADs and Chairs > of the various WGs stopped being updated. I discovered this > yesterday, and switched over to an equivalent page which > fortunately had been completed during the code sprint Saturday. > > Unfortunately, there were formatting differences between the old > and new files, which caused the extraction of chair and AD information > to the alias list to partially fail, which caused the delivery failure > you forwarded. I've fixed this now. > > Sorry for the service interruption. > > > Regards, > > Henrik > > > On 2009-07-30 11:37 Fred Baker said the following: >> I must be missing something. Is tools.ietf.org offline? >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: "Mail Delivery System" >>> Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:17 AM GMT+02:00 >>> To: fred@cisco.com >>> Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) >>> >>> The following message to was >>> undeliverable. >>> The reason for the problem: >>> 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'Unrouteable address' >>> Reporting-MTA: dns; ams-iport-1.cisco.com >>> >>> Final-Recipient: rfc822;v6ops-ads@tools.ietf.org >>> Action: failed >>> Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure) >>> Remote-MTA: dns; [64.170.98.42] >>> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error >>> 550-'Unrouteable address' (delivery attempts: 0) >>> >>> From: Fred Baker >>> Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:08 AM GMT+02:00 >>> To: Ralph Droms , draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router@tools.ietf.org >>> , draft-donley-ipv6-cpe-rtr-use-cases-and-reqs@tools.ietf.org, Jean- >>> Francois Mule , Barbara Stark >>> , Ole Troan , Mark Townsley >>> , Kurt Erik Lindqvist , Heather Kirksey >>> >>> Cc: v6ops-ads@tools.ietf.org, 6man Chairs <6man- >>> chairs@tools.ietf.org>, 6man-ads@tools.ietf.org >>> Subject: Working out the CPE Router Draft or Drafts >>> >>> >>> I'd like to arrange a webex session (Cisco gives me the use of that >>> for free) to discuss the direction of the CPE router draft(s). The >>> folks on the CC line are welcome but not a target audience; I really >>> would like the authors, or at least the principal authors, involved. >>> >>> In the WG meeting, we discussed a "phase I" and a "phase II". In >>> part, my purpose here is to come to an initial triage - what do we >>> want in a phase I document (one that is non-controversial, answers >>> at least some important questions, and can be advanced in November), >>> and what (which may be a subset or superset of what remains) do we >>> want in a phase II document? I also want to come to some simple >>> agreements on the content of phase I - if we have things that are >>> not well understood but can be quickly sorted out, let's do so. >>> >>> The author team I would like to have on the phase I draft includes >>> one person from the present author team, one person from the Donley >>> draft, and one person from BBF. From various discussions, this seems >>> to come down to Wes Beebee, Chris Donley, and Ole Troan. Does anyone >>> have heartburn with that? I would like a commitment from the members >>> of the team to be present in Hiroshima and if necessary the meeting >>> in Anaheim next spring. http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html >>> >>> I understand that there is also some desire to have other drafts >>> running in parallel, perhaps describing use cases. I'm open to that; >>> I think we need to describe the most common use cases in an appendix >>> or appendices in the draft, but see no reason to not have other >>> documents describing other use cases. MY one request is that they be >>> written with the knowledge of the author team and in such a manner >>> that exposes requirements or gives practical guidance about how to >>> use the CPE router that the WG document describes. I'll send those >>> along not as working group drafts but as informational drafts >>> friendly to the WG draft. >>> >>> My question is: what time works? Would you be so kind as to update http://doodle.com/ay9aax3xsru4q6t6 >>> with what works for you, and I will pick a time/date? >>> >>> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: "Mail Delivery System" >>> Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:17 AM GMT+02:00 >>> To: fred@cisco.com >>> Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) >>> >>> The following message to <6man-ads@tools.ietf.org> was >>> undeliverable. >>> The reason for the problem: >>> 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'Unrouteable address' >>> Reporting-MTA: dns; ams-iport-1.cisco.com >>> >>> Final-Recipient: rfc822;6man-ads@tools.ietf.org >>> Action: failed >>> Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure) >>> Remote-MTA: dns; [64.170.98.42] >>> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error >>> 550-'Unrouteable address' (delivery attempts: 0) >>> >>> From: Fred Baker >>> Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:08 AM GMT+02:00 >>> To: Ralph Droms , draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router@tools.ietf.org >>> , draft-donley-ipv6-cpe-rtr-use-cases-and-reqs@tools.ietf.org, Jean- >>> Francois Mule , Barbara Stark >>> , Ole Troan , Mark Townsley >>> , Kurt Erik Lindqvist , Heather Kirksey >>> >>> Cc: v6ops-ads@tools.ietf.org, 6man Chairs <6man- >>> chairs@tools.ietf.org>, 6man-ads@tools.ietf.org >>> Subject: Working out the CPE Router Draft or Drafts >>> >>> >>> I'd like to arrange a webex session (Cisco gives me the use of that >>> for free) to discuss the direction of the CPE router draft(s). The >>> folks on the CC line are welcome but not a target audience; I really >>> would like the authors, or at least the principal authors, involved. >>> >>> In the WG meeting, we discussed a "phase I" and a "phase II". In >>> part, my purpose here is to come to an initial triage - what do we >>> want in a phase I document (one that is non-controversial, answers >>> at least some important questions, and can be advanced in November), >>> and what (which may be a subset or superset of what remains) do we >>> want in a phase II document? I also want to come to some simple >>> agreements on the content of phase I - if we have things that are >>> not well understood but can be quickly sorted out, let's do so. >>> >>> The author team I would like to have on the phase I draft includes >>> one person from the present author team, one person from the Donley >>> draft, and one person from BBF. From various discussions, this seems >>> to come down to Wes Beebee, Chris Donley, and Ole Troan. Does anyone >>> have heartburn with that? I would like a commitment from the members >>> of the team to be present in Hiroshima and if necessary the meeting >>> in Anaheim next spring. http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html >>> >>> I understand that there is also some desire to have other drafts >>> running in parallel, perhaps describing use cases. I'm open to that; >>> I think we need to describe the most common use cases in an appendix >>> or appendices in the draft, but see no reason to not have other >>> documents describing other use cases. MY one request is that they be >>> written with the knowledge of the author team and in such a manner >>> that exposes requirements or gives practical guidance about how to >>> use the CPE router that the WG document describes. I'll send those >>> along not as working group drafts but as informational drafts >>> friendly to the WG draft. >>> >>> My question is: what time works? Would you be so kind as to update http://doodle.com/ay9aax3xsru4q6t6 >>> with what works for you, and I will pick a time/date? >>> >>> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: "Mail Delivery System" >>> Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:17 AM GMT+02:00 >>> To: fred@cisco.com >>> Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) >>> >>> The following message to <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org> was >>> undeliverable. >>> The reason for the problem: >>> 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'Unrouteable address' >>> Reporting-MTA: dns; ams-iport-1.cisco.com >>> >>> Final-Recipient: rfc822;6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org >>> Action: failed >>> Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure) >>> Remote-MTA: dns; [64.170.98.42] >>> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error >>> 550-'Unrouteable address' (delivery attempts: 0) >>> >>> From: Fred Baker >>> Date: July 30, 2009 11:35:08 AM GMT+02:00 >>> To: Ralph Droms , draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router@tools.ietf.org >>> , draft-donley-ipv6-cpe-rtr-use-cases-and-reqs@tools.ietf.org, Jean- >>> Francois Mule , Barbara Stark >>> , Ole Troan , Mark Townsley >>> , Kurt Erik Lindqvist , Heather Kirksey >>> >>> Cc: v6ops-ads@tools.ietf.org, 6man Chairs <6man- >>> chairs@tools.ietf.org>, 6man-ads@tools.ietf.org >>> Subject: Working out the CPE Router Draft or Drafts >>> >>> >>> I'd like to arrange a webex session (Cisco gives me the use of that >>> for free) to discuss the direction of the CPE router draft(s). The >>> folks on the CC line are welcome but not a target audience; I really >>> would like the authors, or at least the principal authors, involved. >>> >>> In the WG meeting, we discussed a "phase I" and a "phase II". In >>> part, my purpose here is to come to an initial triage - what do we >>> want in a phase I document (one that is non-controversial, answers >>> at least some important questions, and can be advanced in November), >>> and what (which may be a subset or superset of what remains) do we >>> want in a phase II document? I also want to come to some simple >>> agreements on the content of phase I - if we have things that are >>> not well understood but can be quickly sorted out, let's do so. >>> >>> The author team I would like to have on the phase I draft includes >>> one person from the present author team, one person from the Donley >>> draft, and one person from BBF. From various discussions, this seems >>> to come down to Wes Beebee, Chris Donley, and Ole Troan. Does anyone >>> have heartburn with that? I would like a commitment from the members >>> of the team to be present in Hiroshima and if necessary the meeting >>> in Anaheim next spring. http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html >>> >>> I understand that there is also some desire to have other drafts >>> running in parallel, perhaps describing use cases. I'm open to that; >>> I think we need to describe the most common use cases in an appendix >>> or appendices in the draft, but see no reason to not have other >>> documents describing other use cases. MY one request is that they be >>> written with the knowledge of the author team and in such a manner >>> that exposes requirements or gives practical guidance about how to >>> use the CPE router that the WG document describes. I'll send those >>> along not as working group drafts but as informational drafts >>> friendly to the WG draft. >>> >>> My question is: what time works? Would you be so kind as to update http://doodle.com/ay9aax3xsru4q6t6 >>> with what works for you, and I will pick a time/date? >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From matt@internet2.edu Thu Jul 30 07:44:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1933A71C9 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:44:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kalHUy7PEMa1 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magus.merit.edu (magus.merit.edu [198.108.1.13]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD043A71DC for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by magus.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718E2225907; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:44:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at magus.merit.edu Received: from magus.merit.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (magus.merit.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HlOyWwi6goIZ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dhcp-32fb.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-32fb.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.50.251]) (Authenticated sender: matt@internet2.edu) by magus.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5AD2258E2; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A71B1AD.6050908@internet2.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:43:57 -0400 From: Matthew J Zekauskas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <7D36EA2D-F46D-4419-B536-A08D94417944@cisco.com> <4A718384.1030107@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bounces from tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:44:49 -0000 On 7/30/09 7:38 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > Thanks. Case closed. > > On Jul 30, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> Hi Fred, >> >> With the IETF website reorganization, the 1wg-summary.txt file >> (www.ietf.org/ietf/1wg-summary.txt) which lists the ADs and Chairs >> of the various WGs stopped being updated. I discovered this >> yesterday, and switched over to an equivalent page which >> fortunately had been completed during the code sprint Saturday. >> >> Unfortunately, there were formatting differences between the old >> and new files, which caused the extraction of chair and AD information >> to the alias list to partially fail, which caused the delivery failure >> you forwarded. I've fixed this now. >> >> Sorry for the service interruption. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Henrik >> Alas, not for me: > The mail system > > : host zinfandel.tools.ietf.org[64.170.98.42] > said: 550 Unrouteable address (in reply to RCPT TO command) > > > > Reporting-MTA: dns; magus.merit.edu > X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 269AF2258F6 > X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; matt@internet2.edu > Arrival-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:38:00 -0400 (EDT) > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; tsvwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org > Original-Recipient: rfc822;tsvwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Remote-MTA: dns; zinfandel.tools.ietf.org > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 Unrouteable address > > > > Subject: > test to see if my past failure was transient > From: > Matthew J Zekauskas > Date: > Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:37:54 -0400 > To: > tsvwg-chairs@tools.ietf.org > CC: > Matt Zekauskas > > sending of raw meeting notes bounced. just curious, and will note the > problem if it happens again. > From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Jul 30 10:04:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98703A63EC for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:04:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.693 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.693 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.094, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aaOGsOOCTsMH for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BDC3A6B0D for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 1F8A037F3E; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:04:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8A5380DB; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:04:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.110.214]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4448437E47; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:04:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32922 helo=dhcp-56f9.meeting.ietf.org) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MWZ3D-0003Q1-VM; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:04:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4A71D293.9000208@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:04:19 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew J Zekauskas References: <7D36EA2D-F46D-4419-B536-A08D94417944@cisco.com> <4A718384.1030107@levkowetz.com> <4A71B1AD.6050908@internet2.edu> In-Reply-To: <4A71B1AD.6050908@internet2.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: matt@internet2.edu, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bounces from tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:04:40 -0000 Hi Matthew, On 2009-07-30 16:43 Matthew J Zekauskas said the following: > Alas, not for me: > >> The mail system >> >> : host zinfandel.tools.ietf.org[64.170.98.42] >> said: 550 Unrouteable address (in reply to RCPT TO command) ... Ok, I found some remaining troubles -- they should also be cleaned up now. Henrik