From rpantos@apple.com Wed Jul 29 14:49:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9DB3A6A78 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:49:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id knjnpnN+hxiT for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722E23A6407 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay14.apple.com (relay14.apple.com [17.128.113.52]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598AC6BD27C2 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:49:58 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807134-b7c93ae00000224b-60-4a70c406a8c5 Received: from bbrat.apple.com (bbrat.apple.com [17.202.36.226]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 1C.47.08779.604C07A4; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <109F99F6-EC89-47B7-ABB1-8077B888526B@apple.com> From: Roger Pantos To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:49:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:03:09 -0700 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.11.12 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:49:57 -0000 Hi there. I'm preparing to submit an updated Internet-Draft that includes the following MIME type: application/vnd.apple.mpegurl. I'm getting errors from the idnits tools because it looks like a non- RFC 2606 compliant FQDN. Which it is not - it's a MIME type. Would it be possible to make the idnits tool a little smarter about distinguishing FQDNs from MIME types - or at list special-casing the vnd.* tree? thanks, Roger Pantos Apple, Inc. From patrik@frobbit.se Tue Aug 11 00:31:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8363A6F90 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:31:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.723 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.723 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.226, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LJ1v5klze1cy for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv01.frobbit.se (srv01.frobbit.se [85.30.129.39]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B985B3A69A4 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0241468083D5 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:31:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at frobbit.se Received: from srv01.frobbit.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv01.frobbit.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oYKhJcX2EYbf for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from junior.frobbit.se (unknown [192.165.72.12]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8954168083CE for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <7F9E06AD-8EC8-4808-8A56-7B2F8A51C1D2@frobbit.se> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:31:19 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Weirdness on versions of I-Ds that have expired X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:31:17 -0000 Here is one example: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/draft-ietf-idnabis-tables/ What might happen here is that just because -05 of the document expired, a fake -06 version was created that include text about the expiration. When later a real -06 was released (yesterday) the html and pdf versions where not regenerated. This is a guess... If you look at these URLs explicitly, you see the difference: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idnabis-tables-06.txt http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-idnabis-tables-06.txt http://tools.ietf.org/pdf/draft-ietf-idnabis-tables-06.pdf And then a real nit (which indicate how well the tool server works in general ;-) ), in the list to the right, "Other Idnabis drafts:", maybe this draft that is displayed should not be in the list. Or the word "Other " should be removed. Patrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Aug 11 15:27:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4293A6EC1 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:27:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tA8zFMx1-zD6 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38EBE3A6DBC for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-94-254-85-221.na.cust.bahnhof.se ([94.254.85.221]:50763) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mazo7-0001Er-8X; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:27:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4A81F036.4080301@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:27:02 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= References: <7F9E06AD-8EC8-4808-8A56-7B2F8A51C1D2@frobbit.se> In-Reply-To: <7F9E06AD-8EC8-4808-8A56-7B2F8A51C1D2@frobbit.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 94.254.85.221 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: patrik@frobbit.se, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Weirdness on versions of I-Ds that have expired X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:27:03 -0000 Hi Patrik, On 2009-08-11 09:31 Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m said the following: > Here is one example: >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/draft-ietf-idnabis-tables/ >=20 > What might happen here is that just because -05 of the document =20 > expired, a fake -06 version was created that include text about the =20 > expiration. When later a real -06 was released (yesterday) the html =20 > and pdf versions where not regenerated. Yes. I wish that a decision could be made to remove the tombstone files, they are control information placed smack in the middle of the data channel withouth any identifying markers, and cause no end of pain. I try to clean them out after each rsync of drafts from the master repository, but this one for unknown reasons hasn't been caught by the regex pattern which is supposed to find tombstones. I've cleaned the tombstones out now, and the pages should be OK again. > And then a real nit (which indicate how well the tool server works in = > general ;-) ), in the list to the right, "Other Idnabis drafts:", =20 > maybe this draft that is displayed should not be in the list. Or the =20 > word "Other " should be removed. Ah. Right. I'll have a look at that. Best, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Aug 11 16:51:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C823A6AD5 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:51:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7VOTJYEEnDq4 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3BC3A6A90 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-94-254-85-221.na.cust.bahnhof.se ([94.254.85.221]:51346) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mb17V-0007Zc-Sv; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:51:10 +0200 Message-ID: <4A8203ED.3060103@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:51:09 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= References: <7F9E06AD-8EC8-4808-8A56-7B2F8A51C1D2@frobbit.se> <4A81F036.4080301@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4A81F036.4080301@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 94.254.85.221 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: patrik@frobbit.se, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Weirdness on versions of I-Ds that have expired X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:51:09 -0000 On 2009-08-12 00:27 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: ... >> And then a real nit (which indicate how well the tool server works in >> general ;-) ), in the list to the right, "Other Idnabis drafts:", >> maybe this draft that is displayed should not be in the list. Or the >> word "Other " should be removed. > > Ah. Right. I'll have a look at that. Fixed! Henrik From patrik@frobbit.se Tue Aug 11 22:28:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0F13A6AB9 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:28:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.787 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.787 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.162, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nOVCafzm5WAh for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv01.frobbit.se (srv01.frobbit.se [85.30.129.39]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0D03A6AC9 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5156840FE6; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:26:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at frobbit.se Received: from srv01.frobbit.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv01.frobbit.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oTvr1DOoAUBH; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:26:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.165.72.14] (unknown [192.165.72.14]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7586840FDF; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:26:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3D0A6CAD-3045-4371-BE95-8C9BC6B48D5B@frobbit.se> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <4A81F036.4080301@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-115--982836960" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:26:26 +0200 References: <7F9E06AD-8EC8-4808-8A56-7B2F8A51C1D2@frobbit.se> <4A81F036.4080301@levkowetz.com> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d55 (v55, Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Weirdness on versions of I-Ds that have expired X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:28:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-115--982836960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12 aug 2009, at 00.27, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > On 2009-08-11 09:31 Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m said the following: >> Here is one example: >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/idnabis/draft-ietf-idnabis-tables/ >> >> What might happen here is that just because -05 of the document >> expired, a fake -06 version was created that include text about the >> expiration. When later a real -06 was released (yesterday) the html >> and pdf versions where not regenerated. > > Yes. I wish that a decision could be made to remove the tombstone > files, they are control information placed smack in the middle of the > data channel withouth any identifying markers, and cause no end of > pain. I try to clean them out after each rsync of drafts from the > master repository, but this one for unknown reasons hasn't been caught > by the regex pattern which is supposed to find tombstones. Ha ha ha! "Dream on"...i.e. I had that discussion 10-11 years ago when =20= I started in IESG and we started to work on an embryo of the tracker =20 etc. But it "had to be that way" and to some degree I think the only =20 alternative is to remove the file completely. Which is also sort of bad. We have (at least) two kinds of tombstones, one that is normal expire, =20= and then we have the one when an RFC is produced. There should also be =20= a special one (I think) when an I-D is replaced by one with a =20 different name. I think one path forward could be to have a standardized format for at =20= least one line in the tombstone so that it can be caught in a more =20 simple way by tools. But removing it and not using it -- I think that is not possible. > I've cleaned the tombstones out now, and the pages should be OK again. Thanks! >> And then a real nit (which indicate how well the tool server works in >> general ;-) ), in the list to the right, "Other Idnabis drafts:", >> maybe this draft that is displayed should not be in the list. Or the >> word "Other " should be removed. > > Ah. Right. I'll have a look at that. :-) Regards, Patrik --Apple-Mail-115--982836960 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iD8DBQFKglKCrMabGguI180RAiWvAJ4/E+s6e3IrnIpskSO5Qmpr9lxlKQCgi9Rv 9ofc5/dt/l3notT+Q91sN14= =q1cg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-115--982836960-- From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Mon Aug 17 18:05:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BBC3A69D7 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:05:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.442 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.442 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.157, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j7jFSbkeADIX for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f171.google.com (mail-px0-f171.google.com [209.85.216.171]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CDB3A697E for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pxi1 with SMTP id 1so1684920pxi.31 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:05:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q1N44s7CA1RtUWhY9OqD7M8m01h+TbP+zxi1ocfN7hk=; b=OsIdkZlnQf6lHyr9/mj/2hPUIK0AlfITc7LiM/dGQp4gnG9IkLbOmiVFregvGSVfQL vkyP+ApYiC6v98VXGDq0E4Rc9ZTnLzE1yznSU1NCxj4QvJHFWwU/jShionHHW1sX7IyM nU5khFe2fmpZEJglkQtEE2wr4piK+swovpd4k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=qi3xMF4xkSsRqbM1sno5R40qMERGbnKdxCyLRT4ZjarF5lmklhImFlv765I7Za/iw1 u34El/f4rXh5yDqZZhOnORNTgQG6z+dxuFZcIOZpbXMwgePlFPmAmopdX0E6UBP1Hu7q m9u2IR0ZGw+ztml2ennNhmXp+0ED3vNWnHdxA= Received: by 10.115.67.24 with SMTP id u24mr5157229wak.50.1250557544980; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?130.216.38.124? (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k21sm11358235waf.59.2009.08.17.18.05.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A89FE62.9030800@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:05:38 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RFC Editor References: <20090814194244.GC17212@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <20090814194244.GC17212@isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] RFC Index Files Updates -- XML and HTML X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:05:42 -0000 Hi, Thanks for this. Is there any reason not to add the stream info to the .txt version of the index? Regards Brian On 2009-08-15 07:42, RFC Editor wrote: > Greetings, > > FYI, we have added stream information to RFC indices (XML and HTML) as > mentioned in Section 6 of > draft-iab-streams-headers-boilerplates-08. Stream is as defined in RFC > 4844 (IETF, IAB, IRTF, or Independent) or Legacy*. In the case of IETF > stream, the area and WG acronym are included. > > The following files will be updated on Monday (17 August 2009) to > include Stream information: > > Hyperlinked index of RFCs: > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc-index.html (ascending by RFC number) > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc-index2.html (descending by RFC number) > > XML index of RFCs: > ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc-index.xml > > XML schema: > ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc-index.xsd > Note: The new elements are , , and . > > Each of these files is linked to from > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html. > > *As noted previously (regarding metadata pages), some RFCs are marked > Legacy, indicating that source information was not recorded for this > RFC; we are working on updating this information for RFCs for which it > exists. > > Thank you. > > RFC Editor > >>From Section 6 of draft-iab-streams-headers-boilerplates-08: > > Adding a reference to the stream in the header of RFCs is only one > method for clarifying from which stream an RFC originated. The RFC > editor is encouraged to add such indication in e.g., indices and > interfaces. > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest > From fred@cisco.com Mon Aug 17 19:30:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E133A6988 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:30:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.024 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.024 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.575, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id btOeHmu+v791 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500D63A696A for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:30:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Files: reference.I-D.draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-34.xml : 1143 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAH+viUqrR7PD/2dsb2JhbAC+Vogtj18FhBmBUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,399,1246838400"; d="xml'?scan'208";a="229138867" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Aug 2009 02:30:57 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7I2Uv7x029719 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:30:57 -0700 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com [10.32.244.219]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7I2UvZ4001008 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:30:57 GMT Message-Id: <2A5310A1-B710-454E-BDA8-53E34E92B68B@cisco.com> From: Fred Baker To: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <4A89FE62.9030800@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--474966817 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:30:56 -0700 References: <20090814194244.GC17212@isi.edu> <4A89FE62.9030800@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=4053; t=1250562657; x=1251426657; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:=20Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:=20Internet=20Draft=20Index=20Files=20Updates=20-- =20XML=20and=20HTML |Sender:=20; bh=fOc3IRM1bjeyjSAsxvg0aN2NHkko4keWscA25dgT3tY=; b=cKL/fImO/ozo43CVWDm0lz+T/oq8ag+8Yu8uolnRTDnrYgEo3xU+kcJ9HW FlF5zm/QoeFwivphI9grj294df8oafYjNJqTttrMtN8E28u7s9mczpbmpHRn NpNLQii6q5; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Subject: [Tools-discuss] Internet Draft Index Files Updates -- XML and HTML X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:30:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail-5--474966817 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, dumb question. We have tools that generate files like the attached. They are in the xml2rfc toolset. Any chance we could pull these together into an XML database similar to that of the RFC Editor's? --Apple-Mail-5--474966817 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=reference.I-D.draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-34.xml Content-Type: text/xml; x-unix-mode=0644; name="reference.I-D.draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-34.xml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Web Socket protocol This protocol enables two-way communication between a user agent running untrusted code running in a controlled environment to a remote host that understands the protocol. It is intended to fail to communicate with servers of pre-existing protocols like SMTP or HTTP, while allowing HTTP servers to opt-in to supporting this protocol if desired. It is designed to be easy to implement on the server side.Author's note This document is automatically generated from the same source document as the HTML5 specification. [HTML5] Please send feedback to either the hybi@ietf.org list or the whatwg@whatwg.org list. --Apple-Mail-5--474966817 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Aug 17, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for this. > > Is there any reason not to add the stream info to the .txt version > of the index? > > Regards > Brian > > On 2009-08-15 07:42, RFC Editor wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> FYI, we have added stream information to RFC indices (XML and HTML) >> as >> mentioned in Section 6 of >> draft-iab-streams-headers-boilerplates-08. Stream is as defined in >> RFC >> 4844 (IETF, IAB, IRTF, or Independent) or Legacy*. In the case of >> IETF >> stream, the area and WG acronym are included. >> >> The following files will be updated on Monday (17 August 2009) to >> include Stream information: >> >> Hyperlinked index of RFCs: >> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc-index.html (ascending by RFC number) >> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc-index2.html (descending by RFC number) >> >> XML index of RFCs: >> ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc-index.xml >> >> XML schema: >> ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc-index.xsd >> Note: The new elements are , , and . >> >> Each of these files is linked to from >> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html. >> >> *As noted previously (regarding metadata pages), some RFCs are marked >> Legacy, indicating that source information was not recorded for this >> RFC; we are working on updating this information for RFCs for which >> it >> exists. >> >> Thank you. >> >> RFC Editor >> >>> From Section 6 of draft-iab-streams-headers-boilerplates-08: >> >> Adding a reference to the stream in the header of RFCs is only one >> method for clarifying from which stream an RFC originated. The RFC >> editor is encouraged to add such indication in e.g., indices and >> interfaces. >> _______________________________________________ >> rfc-interest mailing list >> rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org >> http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest >> > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --Apple-Mail-5--474966817-- From fred@cisco.com Mon Aug 17 19:33:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDA83A6A69 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:33:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.039 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.039 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.560, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9ehGS9wf3H6o for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A563A6824 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:33:28 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEALuviUqrR7PE/2dsb2JhbAC+Vogtj10FhBmBUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,399,1246838400"; d="scan'208";a="196315698" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Aug 2009 02:33:33 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7I2XW5m016556 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:33:32 -0700 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com [10.32.244.219]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7I2XWnF002363 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:33:32 GMT Message-Id: From: Fred Baker To: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <2A5310A1-B710-454E-BDA8-53E34E92B68B@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:33:31 -0700 References: <20090814194244.GC17212@isi.edu> <4A89FE62.9030800@gmail.com> <2A5310A1-B710-454E-BDA8-53E34E92B68B@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2706; t=1250562812; x=1251426812; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:=20Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20Internet=20Draft=20Index=20Files=20Upda tes=20--=20XML=20and=20HTML |Sender:=20; bh=FVI8mCVk0wtA1z8BojbMF7Ki9a2pJPBmfBgUMTZS32w=; b=OH0WudnhQeX32Tn7FJz+uOIT8zOdMNLr5KgP/MnwcHI+6S2bB7rwCeojJJ 8YdxDbwUZ+dM6E8dmijIvMDxxhlnSGO+3PjwYOsXTHCwJn4JTI4Wkn9gMK5m pc7pdrjxYY; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Internet Draft Index Files Updates -- XML and HTML X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:33:29 -0000 I actually would want to change one thing; I would like to add the author's email address to the XML file. Reason - I have some tools that I would like to extract it using. On Aug 17, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > OK, dumb question. > > We have tools that generate files like the attached. They are in the > xml2rfc toolset. Any chance we could pull these together into an XML > database similar to that of the RFC Editor's? > > > > On Aug 17, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Thanks for this. >> >> Is there any reason not to add the stream info to the .txt version >> of the index? >> >> Regards >> Brian >> >> On 2009-08-15 07:42, RFC Editor wrote: >>> Greetings, >>> >>> FYI, we have added stream information to RFC indices (XML and >>> HTML) as >>> mentioned in Section 6 of >>> draft-iab-streams-headers-boilerplates-08. Stream is as defined in >>> RFC >>> 4844 (IETF, IAB, IRTF, or Independent) or Legacy*. In the case of >>> IETF >>> stream, the area and WG acronym are included. >>> >>> The following files will be updated on Monday (17 August 2009) to >>> include Stream information: >>> >>> Hyperlinked index of RFCs: >>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc-index.html (ascending by RFC number) >>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc-index2.html (descending by RFC number) >>> >>> XML index of RFCs: >>> ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc-index.xml >>> >>> XML schema: >>> ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc-index.xsd >>> Note: The new elements are , , and . >>> >>> Each of these files is linked to from >>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html. >>> >>> *As noted previously (regarding metadata pages), some RFCs are >>> marked >>> Legacy, indicating that source information was not recorded for this >>> RFC; we are working on updating this information for RFCs for >>> which it >>> exists. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> RFC Editor >>> >>>> From Section 6 of draft-iab-streams-headers-boilerplates-08: >>> >>> Adding a reference to the stream in the header of RFCs is only one >>> method for clarifying from which stream an RFC originated. The RFC >>> editor is encouraged to add such indication in e.g., indices and >>> interfaces. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rfc-interest mailing list >>> rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org >>> http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Aug 17 23:11:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39A43A68EE for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:11:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.547 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.547 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.948, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j0yK+mf1xW1U for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F3E73A659C for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 Aug 2009 06:11:33 -0000 Received: from p508FFA55.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.250.85] by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 18 Aug 2009 08:11:33 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+AFoB3uCCAngeG2TlfQTAtyvDfCBFOEalqWH/GH5 LohU1h+Dv7u5K+ Message-ID: <4A8A4606.2050109@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:11:18 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RFC Editor References: <20090814194244.GC17212@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <20090814194244.GC17212@isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Cc: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] RFC Index Files Updates -- XML and HTML X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:11:30 -0000 RFC Editor wrote: > Greetings, > > FYI, we have added stream information to RFC indices (XML and HTML) as > mentioned in Section 6 of > draft-iab-streams-headers-boilerplates-08. Stream is as defined in RFC > 4844 (IETF, IAB, IRTF, or Independent) or Legacy*. In the case of IETF > stream, the area and WG acronym are included. > ... Out of curiosity: why is it , not ? (so far, the vocabulary has used hyphens) BR, Julian From braden@ISI.EDU Tue Aug 18 08:25:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D318F28C251 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:25:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cDTtRD2U7cbt for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F291E28C1F0 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ewe.isi.edu [128.9.160.219]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n7IFOmHB015980; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A8AC7B5.7090203@isi.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:24:37 -0700 From: Bob Braden User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian E Carpenter References: <20090814194244.GC17212@isi.edu> <4A89FE62.9030800@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A89FE62.9030800@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: braden@isi.edu Cc: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] RFC Index Files Updates -- XML and HTML X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:25:47 -0000 Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for this. > > Is there any reason not to add the stream info to the .txt version > of the index? > > Regards > Brian > Brian, This is the result of a 10-year old policy at the RFC Editor. After Joyce and I took over the job, the desire arose to add additional fields to rfc-index.txt. However, input from various people in the community convinced us that a fair number of hard-core Internauts had written their own code to parse the obscure syntax of rfc-index.txt and reformat it for their own purposes. We feared that adding new fields to rfc-index.txt would screw these people. We therefore decided to freeze the format of rfc-index.txt at the 1989 level, and instead make an html version (and later an xml version) with extended fields. So all changes or extensions to the index format go only into the .xml and .html versions. Now that XML has taken over the world, maybe this policy should be revisited. Bob Braden From fred@cisco.com Tue Aug 18 11:04:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAF53A6BCC for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:04:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.534, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bVl53GDs2AIP for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014A73A697D for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:04:47 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAKOKikqrR7PD/2dsb2JhbADATIgtkEAFhBmKLw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,403,1246838400"; d="scan'208";a="229535364" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Aug 2009 18:04:40 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7II4evN005791; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:04:40 -0700 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com [10.32.244.219]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7II4eMN027748; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:04:40 GMT Message-Id: From: Fred Baker To: Bob Braden In-Reply-To: <4A8AC7B5.7090203@isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:04:39 -0700 References: <20090814194244.GC17212@isi.edu> <4A89FE62.9030800@gmail.com> <4A8AC7B5.7090203@isi.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1380; t=1250618680; x=1251482680; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:=20Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[Tools-discuss]=20[rfc-i]=20RFC=20Index =20Files=20Updates=20--=20XML=20and=20HTML |Sender:=20; bh=HnKojdrS//g/EXLuxo4yvPUtRidTSWujoBRxhCpLz4I=; b=oTAciLZm2MXhXHffd++OvwiRE3M5p91/z17l7pst4sDXrBntoysoHh0rgr AbpkNML2Ub9v0DKQcudOJSETUgnoSV0da5Y91Jmml8Pw2/w1s/Zx1ItVgVaR vx97663cxA; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Cc: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, Brian E Carpenter , tools-discuss@ietf.org, RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] RFC Index Files Updates -- XML and HTML X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:04:48 -0000 I would agree that people that are parsing rfc-index.txt should probably be using the XML version. On Aug 18, 2009, at 8:24 AM, Bob Braden wrote: > > > Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> Hi, >> Thanks for this. >> Is there any reason not to add the stream info to the .txt version >> of the index? >> Regards >> Brian > > Brian, > > This is the result of a 10-year old policy at the RFC Editor. After > Joyce and I took over the job, the desire arose to add additional > fields to rfc-index.txt. However, input from various people in the > community convinced us that a fair number of hard-core Internauts > had written their own code to parse the obscure syntax of rfc- > index.txt and reformat it for their own purposes. We feared that > adding new fields to rfc-index.txt would screw these people. We > therefore decided to freeze the format of rfc-index.txt at the 1989 > level, and instead make an html version (and later an xml version) > with extended fields. So all changes or extensions to the index > format go only into the .xml and .html versions. > > Now that XML has taken over the world, maybe this policy should be > revisited. > > Bob Braden > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Tue Aug 18 15:29:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072B43A67B7 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:29:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.154, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NWn0WHcDec-e for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.236]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0959D3A6A93 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f9so966420rvb.49 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:28:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fV+lAo/PGP+TwlYA6GWTDf0T9mqk66uo+4O6JKI0Zd0=; b=kWZJqrdi7KshGqiuNI+FT1K8I10Qtup6pKL8uILtGr4vlP/O1WEE45IACvnSRNqdz1 OIJKh1NsOCcdlvlkOGnrL61O6zaGZevYV0Oa8ZKj3JGVV6IQQjGnR5JBAWXDoInqAJ9p AbNfq5bBddz85Nj9xYvnmQv/nblk+UQymM7yk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=RU3+O39J6q18rMeWfHRJVU0dxtK7kTUxXnGzoqZGXzJawcBLOnAKUkLdx1jtnShAIp Zclr5wulK7wMrnwmetlffqWPBXjblRN54FcGR89mOAWUuOWJEtBFLad66wj05kb8WHf5 cAy0f0nq/qM4QE+V1vA6RHZ3kUmExDZZNi3Jo= Received: by 10.140.201.19 with SMTP id y19mr3036301rvf.171.1250634514305; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?130.216.38.124? (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f42sm1084839rvb.45.2009.08.18.15.28.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A8B2B09.9020407@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:28:25 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker References: <20090814194244.GC17212@isi.edu> <4A89FE62.9030800@gmail.com> <4A8AC7B5.7090203@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, Bob Braden , tools-discuss@ietf.org, RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] RFC Index Files Updates -- XML and HTML X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:29:55 -0000 Fred, I agree re machine parsing. My concern is that when human eyes look at the txt file, they won't find the stream name. And for some purposes, plain text is still more convenient than *ML. I certainly see Bob's point about compatibility with pre-1989 awk scripts though ;-) BTW, while we're on the subject, does anyone here maintain a BibTeX version of the RFC index? Brian On 2009-08-19 06:04, Fred Baker wrote: > I would agree that people that are parsing rfc-index.txt should probably > be using the XML version. > > On Aug 18, 2009, at 8:24 AM, Bob Braden wrote: > >> >> >> Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Thanks for this. >>> Is there any reason not to add the stream info to the .txt version >>> of the index? >>> Regards >>> Brian >> >> Brian, >> >> This is the result of a 10-year old policy at the RFC Editor. After >> Joyce and I took over the job, the desire arose to add additional >> fields to rfc-index.txt. However, input from various people in the >> community convinced us that a fair number of hard-core Internauts had >> written their own code to parse the obscure syntax of rfc-index.txt >> and reformat it for their own purposes. We feared that adding new >> fields to rfc-index.txt would screw these people. We therefore >> decided to freeze the format of rfc-index.txt at the 1989 level, and >> instead make an html version (and later an xml version) with extended >> fields. So all changes or extensions to the index format go only into >> the .xml and .html versions. >> >> Now that XML has taken over the world, maybe this policy should be >> revisited. >> >> Bob Braden >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > From lars.eggert@nokia.com Thu Aug 20 07:30:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB013A6F07 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:30:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3X-0jMIlvGK7 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (mail.fit.nokia.com [195.148.124.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D2B3A68B7 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lars.sigcomm09.bcn (206.Red-81-32-180.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.32.180.206]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7KEUH1h020741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:30:24 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: <10ED1A23-2EE9-494D-82CA-D9BEF3804F19@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert To: Brian E Carpenter In-Reply-To: <4A8B2B09.9020407@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-54--259022607; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:30:00 +0200 References: <20090814194244.GC17212@isi.edu> <4A89FE62.9030800@gmail.com> <4A8AC7B5.7090203@isi.edu> <4A8B2B09.9020407@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: "rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org" , Bob Braden , Fred Baker , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] RFC Index Files Updates -- XML and HTML X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:30:41 -0000 --Apple-Mail-54--259022607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2009-8-19, at 0:28, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > BTW, while we're on the subject, does anyone here maintain a BibTeX > version of the RFC index? Miguel Garcia has one, and googling "bibtext RFC" shows several more. 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meta-issues on charter discussions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:57:21 -0000 This was posted to the ietf list. While the charter history pages are nice, they can be made better using a format similar to how tools.ietf.org presents RFCs and I-Ds: a non-printing list of versions at the top with ways to show differences between versions. Sounds like a job for the tools team. :-) Tony Hansen tony@att.com Thomas Narten wrote: > Re: old charters and such. > > While poking around earlier this week, I found: > > http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter/history/ > > (it is hanging of the WG pages, so not that hard to find.) > > It appears to be a snapshot of charters whenever they change. But, > they "change" often due to events that are probably not the kind of > changes we are thinking about, and there is no indication about what > has changed, so there are a lot of copies and wading through them to > find stuff appears pretty daunting. And the history only goes back 3 > years or so... > > But they might be a basis for some tools to extract stuff. But, if > tools are going to do this, it seems like an archival format other > than HTML would be desirable. From spencer@wonderhamster.org Sat Aug 22 07:47:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F6C3A67EA; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:47:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.558 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.558 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.559, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24Lye-3-wrd3; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4183A6778; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1MersI0hQN-000inA; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:47:25 -0400 Message-ID: <47DEB7A251C74DD2ABB8E5CCAB585A3D@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "Tony Hansen" , References: <20090818173002.0F1E028C15A@core3.amsl.com><200908191617.n7JGHl0h025437@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <016701ca2261$caa31d20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <4A8EB044.3070500@piuha.net><200908211441.n7LEfbHF011454@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <4A8EB5C4.5050700@att.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:47:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19wOEMxX9hQvnimblDpQrDVlRKDKZ+sIC/FjQZ jjG1d+hRbj2lUb8SedfEbYpToMTqeHoTQcHPI9SXDESqU3DELF SQGxxbxLfkxknzZqXTx5FaL8suV6mPbQFfObuZUpzM= Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meta-issues on charter discussions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:47:22 -0000 This was one of the more attractive parts of the suggestion to use IDs for charter revisions. If we don't use IDs for charter revisions, I'd like to see similar functionality provided for the approach that IS chosen... (so, if you're reading this on tools-discuss, this is probably an opportunity to weigh in on the IETF list about whether you're willing to develop this functionality :-) Spencer > This was posted to the ietf list. > > While the charter history pages are nice, they can be made better using a > format similar to how tools.ietf.org presents RFCs and I-Ds: a > non-printing list of versions at the top with ways to show differences > between versions. > > Sounds like a job for the tools team. :-) > > Tony Hansen > tony@att.com > > Thomas Narten wrote: >> Re: old charters and such. >> >> While poking around earlier this week, I found: >> >> http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter/history/ >> >> (it is hanging of the WG pages, so not that hard to find.) >> >> It appears to be a snapshot of charters whenever they change. But, >> they "change" often due to events that are probably not the kind of >> changes we are thinking about, and there is no indication about what >> has changed, so there are a lot of copies and wading through them to >> find stuff appears pretty daunting. And the history only goes back 3 >> years or so... >> >> But they might be a basis for some tools to extract stuff. But, if >> tools are going to do this, it seems like an archival format other >> than HTML would be desirable. > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf From cabo@tzi.org Sat Aug 22 16:20:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617C33A6D0B for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:20:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.837 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.837 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.111, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WqcHrQnIFlRc for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9:209:3dff:fe00:7136]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949B43A68F9 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:20:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7MNKhwZ013697 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:20:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.105] (p5489E1B6.dip.t-dialin.net [84.137.225.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A176BE4B; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:20:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: From: Carsten Bormann To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-21--54378827 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:20:44 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: Carsten Bormann Subject: [Tools-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Internal_Error_=96_6lowpan?= X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:20:51 -0000 --Apple-Mail-21--54378827 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/6lowpan/trac/login gives me: Oops=85 Trac detected an internal error: OperationalError: disk I/O error ... and not much else seems to work that I tried. (Sorry for the HTML mail -- easiest way for me to show the error =20 message.) Gruesse, Carsten --Apple-Mail-21--54378827 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Oops=85

Trac detected an = internal error:
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disk I/O error

... and not much else seems to work that I = tried.
(Sorry for the HTML mail -- easiest = way for me to show the error message.)
Gruesse, Carsten

= --Apple-Mail-21--54378827-- From denghui02@gmail.com Sun Aug 23 06:24:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C9E3A6CC0 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 06:24:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.312, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bN0-SwvjkAjW for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 06:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f174.google.com (mail-pz0-f174.google.com [209.85.222.174]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E703A6AED for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 06:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so537381pzk.29 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 06:23:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=68xG57QxTf+VUBQIL6mRT6Umfo6w0QsboIFmcr8+heY=; b=firQW7YAj21g7sgCGvypqwscLDvUTTAM7hoUf8Jp/71KYSXcDE5nmEHkh7BO6ssrJA Ok20ZP/nyw+c2jyBji7v7y9rdLbOAnzYwreUOLptDOyVVWwCGtBaEs0Ao/Je6+nZTs8W WbfcnG7jhlIs9UZTSMvtYfRqGoDMldE2wP6R0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Gq0LVArEU+nPBv/PkhqFT9lgGB2d6akzQavYa8pKO0tB310DJ1lTMXwaVQl1Rbm1tQ L4DUPVbKAk/3en77tl8N6HyVEC2hGLP9OoCvPGB/ELiWj9maNPTkpBbyFWgpveiK0mNI ed8xA6r4xkdlhW93mUiUzuisfHdmbG6dLET9Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.209.21 with SMTP id h21mr320947wfg.162.1251033838692; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 06:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:23:58 +0800 Message-ID: <1d38a3350908230623w7266eea2p9e3fc9aa0dc15fcc@mail.gmail.com> From: Hui Deng To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] How could get XML file of old rfc X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:24:24 -0000 Hello, all May I know how could I get xml file for RFC 3*** and RFC 2***. Many thanks for your kind help Best regards, -Hui From Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Mon Aug 24 00:56:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5173A6CAB; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:56:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.284 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.284 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.315, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WG7i25uICSkt; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BD43A659C; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id n7O7svk4020342; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 02:55:41 -0500 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:55:54 +0300 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.8]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:55:54 +0300 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.86]) by nok-am1mhub-04.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.8]) with mapi; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:55:54 +0200 From: To: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:55:52 +0200 Thread-Topic: meta-issues on charter discussions Thread-Index: Acoib8XJ+43JoxcUQ+eDTfIkeoQkegCH3FhA Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB773C01115CC3@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <20090818173002.0F1E028C15A@core3.amsl.com><200908191617.n7JGHl0h025437@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <016701ca2261$caa31d20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <4A8EB044.3070500@piuha.net> <200908211441.n7LEfbHF011454@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <4A8EB5C4.5050700@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4A8EB5C4.5050700@att.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2009 07:55:54.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E7C25D0:01CA2490] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meta-issues on charter discussions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:56:07 -0000 The tools WG pages used to have diffs between charter versions (see e.g. http://tools.ietf.org/wg/tls/charters/ -- the "delta" symbol leads to side-by-side diff between the versions), but=20 it looks like this broke when new www.ietf.org was deployed in July....=20 Best regards, Pasi > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > ext Tony Hansen > Sent: 21 August, 2009 17:57 > To: tools-discuss@ietf.org > Cc: ietf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: meta-issues on charter discussions >=20 > This was posted to the ietf list. >=20 > While the charter history pages are nice, they can be made better using > a format similar to how tools.ietf.org presents RFCs and I-Ds: a > non-printing list of versions at the top with ways to show differences > between versions. >=20 > Sounds like a job for the tools team. :-) >=20 > Tony Hansen > tony@att.com >=20 > Thomas Narten wrote: > > Re: old charters and such. > > > > While poking around earlier this week, I found: > > > > http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter/history/ > > > > (it is hanging of the WG pages, so not that hard to find.) > > > > It appears to be a snapshot of charters whenever they change. But, > > they "change" often due to events that are probably not the kind of > > changes we are thinking about, and there is no indication about what > > has changed, so there are a lot of copies and wading through them to > > find stuff appears pretty daunting. And the history only goes back 3 > > years or so... > > > > But they might be a basis for some tools to extract stuff. But, if > > tools are going to do this, it seems like an archival format other > > than HTML would be desirable. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf From hagens@ISI.EDU Mon Aug 24 06:42:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61853A6A5C for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:42:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mn+BR6rqDcXC for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D773A6B52 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [65.114.168.197] (rfc2.east.isi.edu [65.114.168.197]) (authenticated bits=0) by nitro.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n7ODer5s029898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:40:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1d38a3350908230623w7266eea2p9e3fc9aa0dc15fcc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d38a3350908230623w7266eea2p9e3fc9aa0dc15fcc@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6CD56AA3-2B74-4F32-9747-A6D6E1939D11@isi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alice Hagens Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:40:52 -0400 To: Hui Deng X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-MailScanner-ID: n7ODer5s029898 X-ISI-4-69-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: hagens@isi.edu Cc: Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] How could get XML file of old rfc X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:42:09 -0000 Hui, Please contact the RFC Editor to get the source files of RFCs. For all RFCs we have archived the NROFF source file. If the authors provided an XML source file before publication (which is more likely for recent RFCs), then we have an XML source file as well. Thank you. Alice for the RFC Editor On Aug 23, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Hui Deng wrote: > Hello, all > > May I know how could I get xml file for RFC 3*** and RFC 2***. > > Many thanks for your kind help > > Best regards, > > -Hui > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Aug 24 06:58:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB6528C1C1 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:58:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.087 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.087 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.488, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KWqIBMQ6dRgS for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CE5EF3A6E40 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Aug 2009 13:58:34 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.117]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp054) with SMTP; 24 Aug 2009 15:58:34 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18E960NcS0Ee4h5O2j7JOwZkr7c3kih1nfcbp/5ZH OQiuqswxVmwggz Message-ID: <4A929C88.70504@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:58:32 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alice Hagens References: <1d38a3350908230623w7266eea2p9e3fc9aa0dc15fcc@mail.gmail.com> <6CD56AA3-2B74-4F32-9747-A6D6E1939D11@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <6CD56AA3-2B74-4F32-9747-A6D6E1939D11@isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.7 Cc: Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] How could get XML file of old rfc X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:58:35 -0000 Alice Hagens wrote: > Hui, > > Please contact the RFC Editor to get the source files of RFCs. For all > RFCs we have archived the NROFF source file. If the authors provided an > XML source file before publication (which is more likely for recent > RFCs), then we have an XML source file as well. > > Thank you. > ... Or just google for the filename (rfcnnnn.xml); somebody may have done the work already. BR, Julian From denghui02@gmail.com Mon Aug 24 08:08:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFC03A6E62 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:08:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lFe-w-hXibBT for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB9B3A6E4D for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so2983454ewy.43 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:08:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Alice Hagens , Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] How could get XML file of old rfc X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:08:47 -0000 no results from this search, thanks anyhow -Hui 2009/8/24 Julian Reschke : > Alice Hagens wrote: >> >> Hui, >> >> Please contact the RFC Editor to get the source files of RFCs. =A0For al= l >> RFCs we have archived the NROFF source file. =A0If the authors provided = an XML >> source file before publication (which is more likely for recent RFCs), t= hen >> we have an XML source file as well. >> >> Thank you. >> ... > > Or just google for the filename (rfcnnnn.xml); somebody may have done the > work already. > > BR, Julian > From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Aug 24 09:11:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A68428C13C; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:11:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ncTJkI4appgt; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1480E28C224; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:64808) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mfc96-0000wa-J0; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:11:48 +0200 Message-ID: <4A92BBC4.2040509@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:11:48 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com References: <20090818173002.0F1E028C15A@core3.amsl.com><200908191617.n7JGHl0h025437@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <016701ca2261$caa31d20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <4A8EB044.3070500@piuha.net> <200908211441.n7LEfbHF011454@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <4A8EB5C4.5050700@att.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB773C01115CC3@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB773C01115CC3@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, tony@att.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tony@att.com, ietf@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meta-issues on charter discussions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:11:48 -0000 Hi Tony, Pasi, On 2009-08-24 09:55 Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com said the following: > The tools WG pages used to have diffs between charter versions > (see e.g. http://tools.ietf.org/wg/tls/charters/ -- the "delta" > symbol leads to side-by-side diff between the versions), but > it looks like this broke when new www.ietf.org was deployed > in July.... Ouch. Mmm. I'll see if I can fix this. Henrik > Best regards, > Pasi > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ietf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> ext Tony Hansen >> Sent: 21 August, 2009 17:57 >> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org >> Cc: ietf@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: meta-issues on charter discussions >> >> This was posted to the ietf list. >> >> While the charter history pages are nice, they can be made better using >> a format similar to how tools.ietf.org presents RFCs and I-Ds: a >> non-printing list of versions at the top with ways to show differences >> between versions. >> >> Sounds like a job for the tools team. :-) >> >> Tony Hansen >> tony@att.com >> >> Thomas Narten wrote: >>> Re: old charters and such. >>> >>> While poking around earlier this week, I found: >>> >>> http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter/history/ >>> >>> (it is hanging of the WG pages, so not that hard to find.) >>> >>> It appears to be a snapshot of charters whenever they change. But, >>> they "change" often due to events that are probably not the kind of >>> changes we are thinking about, and there is no indication about what >>> has changed, so there are a lot of copies and wading through them to >>> find stuff appears pretty daunting. And the history only goes back 3 >>> years or so... >>> >>> But they might be a basis for some tools to extract stuff. But, if >>> tools are going to do this, it seems like an archival format other >>> than HTML would be desirable. >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From richard.barnes@gmail.com Mon Aug 24 09:15:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB9128C187; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:15:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.768 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.768 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.169, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wR9heDNWMkt1; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DE928C211; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1542370fxm.37 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:15:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=K39nYiL2iUQqY3A3uWL3beaxDHaKsvzA/x0+1WXVYEs=; b=VZCTIjgSd3lRHX0QItvP3lsvaNzdeX5MWVJJGWsQktSTzghvXbqUctUS/eu8PUjzqt 58JbEucSzUEP5Fu5vACA9F7+i2NIij4o8bnFJCp3wbyGglyzcaIavXQzkuYKVlTx++z3 ghhogKJfQFScpDuvVByyAT5zTP1DWZZT6VkFY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=v19G5P9wuSqeGj+aOoscpXZKgWbkdBAg1XY0TYaOyIuwHuU1gVQgCOdST1WVizpIso DcqbtglqFnvko+XcHLHMNkEKD9lF1nKr64FvjXc/IYbvO0ZotbyQCd3zMZzFxu/RLmry /9PAexnaupY2LwEDDnUENSCY/huR9mI8O76kM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.13.195 with SMTP id d3mr1511463bka.135.1251130538946; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:15:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB773C01115CC3@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <20090818173002.0F1E028C15A@core3.amsl.com> <200908191617.n7JGHl0h025437@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <016701ca2261$caa31d20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <4A8EB044.3070500@piuha.net> <200908211441.n7LEfbHF011454@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <4A8EB5C4.5050700@att.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB773C01115CC3@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:15:38 -0400 Message-ID: <88ac5c710908240915s23343ad4l576ce33328301118@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Barnes To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: tony@att.com, ietf@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meta-issues on charter discussions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:15:43 -0000 As a side issue, it appears that Ekr is chairing TLS twice, at least according to the linked TLS tools page. --Richard On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:55 AM, wrote: > The tools WG pages used to have diffs between charter versions > (see e.g. http://tools.ietf.org/wg/tls/charters/ -- the "delta" > symbol leads to side-by-side diff between the versions), but > it looks like this broke when new www.ietf.org was deployed > in July.... > > Best regards, > Pasi > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ietf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> ext Tony Hansen >> Sent: 21 August, 2009 17:57 >> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org >> Cc: ietf@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: meta-issues on charter discussions >> >> This was posted to the ietf list. >> >> While the charter history pages are nice, they can be made better using >> a format similar to how tools.ietf.org presents RFCs and I-Ds: a >> non-printing list of versions at the top with ways to show differences >> between versions. >> >> Sounds like a job for the tools team. :-) >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 Tony Hansen >> =A0 =A0 =A0 tony@att.com >> >> Thomas Narten wrote: >> > Re: old charters and such. >> > >> > While poking around earlier this week, I found: >> > >> > =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter/history/ >> > >> > (it is hanging of the WG pages, so not that hard to find.) >> > >> > It appears to be a snapshot of charters whenever they change. But, >> > they "change" often due to events that are probably not the kind of >> > changes we are thinking about, and there is no indication about what >> > has changed, so there are a lot of copies and wading through them to >> > find stuff appears pretty daunting. And the history only goes back 3 >> > years or so... >> > >> > But they might be a basis for some tools to extract stuff. But, if >> > tools are going to do this, it seems like an archival format other >> > than HTML would be desirable. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Aug 24 15:19:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797863A686E for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:19:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.506 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.506 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.207, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f-pIvUR-vFcl for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DAE3A68A7 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com ([81.232.110.214]:65487 helo=chardonnay.local) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MfhtG-0006cY-Lb; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:19:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4A9311EF.1010404@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:19:27 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig90AD3BCB9A948ABAC1E7D51C" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.232.110.214 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: cabo@tzi.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Internal_Error_=96_6lowpan?= X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:19:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig90AD3BCB9A948ABAC1E7D51C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2009-08-23 01:20 Carsten Bormann said the following: > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/6lowpan/trac/login gives me: >=20 > Oops=85 >=20 > Trac detected an internal error: > OperationalError: disk I/O error >=20 > ... and not much else seems to work that I tried. > (Sorry for the HTML mail -- easiest way for me to show the error =20 > message.) Sorry for that. Should be OK now -- I'm arranging for more disk space. Best, Henrik --------------enig90AD3BCB9A948ABAC1E7D51C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAkqTEfoACgkQeVhrtTJkXCPNoQCdEntHhrFq/BnMZuxDg4sYoCa6 AYkAn2hFozUTXM0w2K3hYZozTleMwgv1 =haRp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig90AD3BCB9A948ABAC1E7D51C-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Aug 24 15:21:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052713A6821 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:21:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.637 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.637 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H4xnesa3Aerg for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8AC3A67EB for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com ([81.232.110.214]:65488 helo=chardonnay.local) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mfhup-0005fK-P3; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:21:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4A931267.6010608@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:21:27 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hui Deng References: <1d38a3350908230623w7266eea2p9e3fc9aa0dc15fcc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1d38a3350908230623w7266eea2p9e3fc9aa0dc15fcc@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.232.110.214 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: denghui02@gmail.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] How could get XML file of old rfc X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:21:25 -0000 Hi Hui, On 2009-08-23 15:23 Hui Deng said the following: > Hello, all > > May I know how could I get xml file for RFC 3*** and RFC 2***. You'll have to email the RFC-Editor directly, to ask if they have the XML file available, and you'll have to ask for the file for specific RFCs, I believe -- they don't make the XML files available in bulk. Best, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Aug 24 15:23:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EC63A68DD; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:23:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.634 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.634 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 42F3HoCzguxz; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407673A6D9E; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com ([81.232.110.214]:65495 helo=chardonnay.local) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mfhwr-0004ub-06; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:23:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4A9312E4.8050800@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:23:32 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Barnes References: <20090818173002.0F1E028C15A@core3.amsl.com> <200908191617.n7JGHl0h025437@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <016701ca2261$caa31d20$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> <4A8EB044.3070500@piuha.net> <200908211441.n7LEfbHF011454@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <4A8EB5C4.5050700@att.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB773C01115CC3@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <88ac5c710908240915s23343ad4l576ce33328301118@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <88ac5c710908240915s23343ad4l576ce33328301118@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.232.110.214 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: richard.barnes@gmail.com, Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, tony@att.com, ietf@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tony@att.com, Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, ietf@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meta-issues on charter discussions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:23:33 -0000 On 2009-08-24 18:15 Richard Barnes said the following: > As a side issue, it appears that Ekr is chairing TLS twice, at least > according to the linked TLS tools page. > --Richard Yah. That's something the secretariat will have to fix in the metadata for the WG; the tools page just uses the info which is in the database. Best, Henrik From rfc-ed@ISI.EDU Fri Aug 14 12:43:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1730028C1E5 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:43:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -16.972 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-16.972 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.627, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_DEF_WHITELIST=-15] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j070g-68bM11 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5B228C1F1 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n7EJgilk006780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rfc-ed@localhost) by boreas.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n7EJgi7W006779; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:42:44 -0700 From: RFC Editor To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20090814194244.GC17212@isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: rfc-ed@boreas.isi.edu X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:37:12 -0700 Cc: RFC Editor Subject: [Tools-discuss] RFC Index Files Updates -- XML and HTML X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:43:27 -0000 Greetings, FYI, we have added stream information to RFC indices (XML and HTML) as mentioned in Section 6 of draft-iab-streams-headers-boilerplates-08. Stream is as defined in RFC 4844 (IETF, IAB, IRTF, or Independent) or Legacy*. In the case of IETF stream, the area and WG acronym are included. The following files will be updated on Monday (17 August 2009) to include Stream information: Hyperlinked index of RFCs: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc-index.html (ascending by RFC number) http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc-index2.html (descending by RFC number) XML index of RFCs: ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc-index.xml XML schema: ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc-index.xsd Note: The new elements are , , and . Each of these files is linked to from http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html. *As noted previously (regarding metadata pages), some RFCs are marked Legacy, indicating that source information was not recorded for this RFC; we are working on updating this information for RFCs for which it exists. Thank you. RFC Editor >From Section 6 of draft-iab-streams-headers-boilerplates-08: Adding a reference to the stream in the header of RFCs is only one method for clarifying from which stream an RFC originated. The RFC editor is encouraged to add such indication in e.g., indices and interfaces. From denghui02@gmail.com Tue Aug 25 07:05:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4821A3A6938 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:05:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2V7BmeDMjnUs for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5037028C2A7 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 22so812835eye.51 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:05:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7xsJrDaH+QHTOre4DcfdNSPCaxHiXvFeiEsGn9bzI4M=; b=DXBFK0hqdMTAIpwSwTx6kWBvo4QmxUlyNv/xGfZXTMj5Aa7gDBnoS0vGzZLgto+E9W 7TRK86HW5Pc8XTTQfBnocWBEadrMH2eFGieHXTJSiqC0x/B75SyzhBAed3u7chZqEpfC oh8HnFJ5NJUu3mPFHeI7KPb3OC3i4NhLEUWFU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=n4N/YiISsej5OC9OKcXkBZ83hGvg+MkZaAOMhk6IEnOJYxf4DiimovelabEyig0gxt CP3WUFIBzxE+AkUvOrYfcFb2TBHxbgWWzLB/luDwN70aaimobW/4qNMCpIzTctTg3tNC 89VMUsDuMHpBBiHYhB7f62PfVAlKRhPtbnHGk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.129.2 with SMTP id b2mr6475205ebd.12.1251209148422; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:05:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A931267.6010608@levkowetz.com> References: <1d38a3350908230623w7266eea2p9e3fc9aa0dc15fcc@mail.gmail.com> <4A931267.6010608@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:05:48 +0800 Message-ID: <1d38a3350908250705q31b4ddd0j61b4ce2115adc72d@mail.gmail.com> From: Hui Deng To: Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] How could get XML file of old rfc X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:05:46 -0000 thanks henrik, will do it asap -Hui 2009/8/25 Henrik Levkowetz : > Hi Hui, > > On 2009-08-23 15:23 Hui Deng said the following: >> Hello, all >> >> May I know how could I get xml file for RFC 3*** and RFC 2***. > > You'll have to email the RFC-Editor directly, to ask if they have the XML > file available, and you'll have to ask for the file for specific RFCs, I > believe -- they don't make the XML files available in bulk. > > > Best, > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Henrik > From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Wed Aug 26 13:46:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5446B28C3C5 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Tools-discuss] Of possible interest to the Tools team X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:46:24 -0000 ...in case y'all are doing things with dependency maps. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Aug 27 06:55:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E7B3A698D for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:55:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dBHSNOvdhRoV for ; 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Very cool. Henrik On 2009-08-26 22:46 Paul Hoffman said the following: > > > ...in case y'all are doing things with dependency maps. > > --Paul Hoffman, Director > --VPN Consortium > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From jari.arkko@piuha.net Fri Aug 28 13:35:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B64C28C24E for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:35:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.734 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.734 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.135, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KB20FRXMXlOh for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BDC28C1E5 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4DA198661 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:35:40 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pb9CNZnsfsYg for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:35:40 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142611985FB for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:35:38 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4A983F99.3040900@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:35:37 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] statistics tools situation X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:35:35 -0000 For your information, the IETF website reorganization broken some of my statistics tools. I have now updated the tools and they should be operating in the normal manner at http://www.arkko.com/tools/stats.html If you encounter any problems, let me know. Jari From denghui02@gmail.com Sun Aug 30 07:40:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A937E3A6D0A for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:40:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.38 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.38 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.219, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c2FzbhmmkqWh for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com (mail-ew0-f207.google.com [209.85.219.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFDD28C12D for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so1629782ewy.42 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:38:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=4ewnIIjm1y7P3Yp67fvmWvNOxtY3E9j/W6P5iz4IpdQ=; b=UbGh2Q7m8PQIpYfYm/xT2ZQanslxEOnltGUaWK90Fbj603lZgKk9cJXP6R3x7vM9zE kD7FjwjZCauQkrknxuSy4Lq+q9e3qn6KCbUTdLI2c2wSVNjMtux6xc/9EhJG0iqB8n0g EddAI6nEyTTesIVHK3yg540SmxgdQG63Z4PSA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Oog8iay1WOKZUoVnBsr3pyc47OUvewwpjCBlaXRkGP2FnO+eI+2h0+nr7wp58yj0zI 5pjWwAf06gZT9LDNRCcdOojdP6yYl3fxqPeDcxmnDQovCk3e4KwCNWoBEW1fIug5doeR 0H5E7kRDuPXFs9OJxpak4W6Luy7y9E2AuTAyU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.184.18 with SMTP id l18mr4001184ebp.30.1251643080288; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:38:00 +0800 Message-ID: <1d38a3350908300738h1ab5b526wd8224e46ee7153a5@mail.gmail.com> From: Hui Deng To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [Tools-discuss] why my nroffedit is so slow X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:40:09 -0000 Could anyone know the reason. I am using Lenovo X200. thanks -Hui From mnot@mnot.net Sun Aug 30 15:08:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535ED28C1CE for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:08:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.589 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.990, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i2WijZWb0r+F for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4753A6A2A for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [118.208.239.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 88B5A509B3 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:08:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Nottingham Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:08:03 +1000 Message-Id: <74D55F87-89D2-4620-894C-ECDCDF68173F@mnot.net> To: Tools Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1075.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1075.2) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Mailman interface down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:08:07 -0000 I'm trying to log into the ietf.org mailing list that I manage, but I'm getting 'too many redirects' errors in both Safari and Firefox, as well as timeout errors. -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From hagens@ISI.EDU Mon Aug 31 07:25:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18113A68D5 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.336 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.336 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.263, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YiKmmAgh-T8h for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE1E28C296 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.9.176.37] (c1-vpn7.isi.edu [128.9.176.37]) (authenticated bits=0) by nitro.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n7VEOSEB002639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A8A4606.2050109@gmx.de> References: <20090814194244.GC17212@isi.edu> <4A8A4606.2050109@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alice Hagens Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:24:27 -0400 To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-MailScanner-ID: n7VEOSEB002639 X-ISI-4-69-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: hagens@isi.edu Cc: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] RFC Index Files Updates -- XML and HTML X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:25:02 -0000 Hi Julian, The underscore matches the field name in the database. It was carried over from that. A quirk of the system (built by several hands over several years) -- field names have hyphens or underscores. Alice for the RFC Editor On Aug 18, 2009, at 2:11 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > RFC Editor wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> FYI, we have added stream information to RFC indices (XML and >> HTML) as >> mentioned in Section 6 of >> draft-iab-streams-headers-boilerplates-08. Stream is as defined in >> RFC >> 4844 (IETF, IAB, IRTF, or Independent) or Legacy*. In the case of >> IETF >> stream, the area and WG acronym are included. >> ... > > Out of curiosity: why is it , not ? (so > far, the > vocabulary has used hyphens) > > BR, Julian > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From george.barwood@blueyonder.co.uk Fri Aug 28 23:21:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1A43A6DAA for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:21:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.528 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.528 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.333, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_BLUEYON=1.4, MIME_BASE64_BLANKS=0.041, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xto538D8TVJ3 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08023A67B3 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MhHJo-0005Gr-R6 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:21:44 +0100 Received: from [82.46.70.191] (helo=GeorgeLaptop) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1MhHJo-0002c0-1g for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:21:44 +0100 Message-ID: From: "George Barwood" To: Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:21:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:44:58 -0700 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Rfcmarkup-1.83 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 06:21:41 -0000 SSdtIGdldHRpbmcgaW5jb25zaXN0ZW50IHJlc3VsdHMgd2hlbiB1c2luZyB0aGUgVVJMDQoNCmh0 dHA6Ly90b29scy5pZXRmLm9yZy9odG1sL2RyYWZ0LWJhcndvb2QtZG5zZXh0LWRucy10cmFuc3Bv cnQNCg0KU29tZXRpbWVzIGl0IHJlZGlyZWN0cyB0bw0KDQpodHRwOi8vdG9vbHMuaWV0Zi5vcmcv aHRtbC9kcmFmdC1iYXJ3b29kLWRuc2V4dC1kbnMtdHJhbnNwb3J0LTAxDQoNCmFuZCBzb21ldGlt ZSBpdCBkb2Vzbid0IHJlZGlyZWN0IGFuZCBzaG93cyBvbmx5IHZlcnNpb24gMDAuDQoNCldoYXQg SSB3YW50IGlzIGEgbGluayB0aGF0IHdpbGwgYWx3YXlzIHNob3cgdGhlIGxhdGVzdCB2ZXJzaW9u IG9mIHRoZSBkcmFmdC4NCg0KSXMgdGhpcyBwb3NzaWJsZT8NCg0KVGhhbmtzLA0KR2Vvcmdl From stefan@aaa-sec.com Mon Aug 31 16:04:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8013A69D3 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:04:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.026 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.026 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.223, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d8krWkZ8GZku for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.95.114]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7F63A68F2 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 67461 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2009 18:36:58 -0000 Received: from s34.loopia.se (HELO s29.loopia.se) ([194.9.94.70]) (envelope-sender ) by s87.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 31 Aug 2009 18:36:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 69517 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2009 17:36:51 -0000 Received: from 213-64-142-97-no153.business.telia.com (HELO [192.168.1.7]) (stefan@fiddler.nu@[213.64.142.97]) (envelope-sender ) by s29.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 31 Aug 2009 17:36:51 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.20.0.090605 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:36:50 +0200 From: Stefan Santesson To: Hui Deng , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] why my nroffedit is so slow Thread-Index: AcoqYZ7suwI9X2irFUKUIyauoIouQQ== In-Reply-To: <1d38a3350908300738h1ab5b526wd8224e46ee7153a5@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] why my nroffedit is so slow X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:04:20 -0000 Hi Hui The delays in version 1.2 and beyond is mainly caused by the spell checker and automatic instant updates of the text version of your draft. There is a new version (1.32) available that has implemented several optimizations. When editing large files it is advisable to turn off the Automatic Update feature. This way you can edit without delay and only update the text when you want to see the result. You can also turn off the spell checker in order to speed up the process when you don't need it. I hope this helps. /Stefan On 09-08-30 4:38 PM, "Hui Deng" wrote: > Could anyone know the reason. > I am using Lenovo X200. > > thanks > > -Hui > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From stefan@aaa-sec.com Mon Aug 31 16:25:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB7D28C5E3 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:25:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.73 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.73 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.081, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JkldQp+-zf9Q for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.95.114]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E0628C4ED for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9608 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2009 19:10:55 -0000 Received: from s34.loopia.se (HELO s19.loopia.se) ([194.9.94.70]) (envelope-sender ) by s87.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 31 Aug 2009 19:10:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 2961 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2009 19:10:47 -0000 Received: from 213-64-142-97-no153.business.telia.com (HELO [192.168.1.4]) (stefan@fiddler.nu@[213.64.142.97]) (envelope-sender ) by s19.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 31 Aug 2009 19:10:47 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.20.0.090605 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:10:45 +0200 From: Stefan Santesson To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: New major release of NroffEdit Thread-Index: AcoqX26kMbSwsAhQqUCgGPnv0AcA2AAD08CD In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New major release of NroffEdit X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:25:17 -0000 Resending as original mail got lost. Sorry for double posing in case it turns up... On 09-08-31 7:21 PM, "Stefan Santesson" wrote: > For your information: > > A new major release of NroffEdit is available from: > http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/index.html > > This version provides several features requested by the RFC editor as well as > other IETF:ers. This includes: > > - Added background spellchecker > - Color and style formats added to Nroff editing > - Added support for the .tl directive for both nroff->text and > text-> nroff conversion > - Added search and replace feature > - Function for updating all issue and expiration dates > > /Stefan From stefan@aaa-sec.com Mon Aug 31 18:10:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F343A6EEA for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:10:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.143 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.143 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.106, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qq4nLk9A6s7p for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.95.114]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6623A6EE4 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 99116 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2009 01:02:52 -0000 Received: from s34.loopia.se (HELO s24.loopia.se) ([194.9.94.70]) (envelope-sender ) by s87.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 1 Sep 2009 01:02:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 71255 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2009 01:02:41 -0000 Received: from 213-64-142-97-no153.business.telia.com (HELO [192.168.1.4]) (stefan@fiddler.nu@[213.64.142.97]) (envelope-sender ) by s24.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 1 Sep 2009 01:02:41 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.20.0.090605 Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 03:02:40 +0200 From: Stefan Santesson To: Stefan Santesson , Hui Deng , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] why my nroffedit is so slow Thread-Index: AcoqYZ7suwI9X2irFUKUIyauoIouQQAPkg9j In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] why my nroffedit is so slow X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:10:04 -0000 Actually, I just posted a new version that improves the experience quite a bit when working with large files (or slow computers). This is incorporated in version 1.33, available from: http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/index.html In 1.33 there is a timer that prevents any update action until 1.5 seconds after last key press. That way there will be no updating going on while typing. You can override this timer by checking "Instant Text Update" in the edit menu (off by default). /Stefan On 09-08-31 7:36 PM, "Stefan Santesson" wrote: > Hi Hui > > The delays in version 1.2 and beyond is mainly caused by the spell checker > and automatic instant updates of the text version of your draft. > > There is a new version (1.32) available that has implemented several > optimizations. > > When editing large files it is advisable to turn off the Automatic Update > feature. This way you can edit without delay and only update the text when > you want to see the result. > > You can also turn off the spell checker in order to speed up the process > when you don't need it. > > I hope this helps. > > /Stefan > > > > > On 09-08-30 4:38 PM, "Hui Deng" wrote: > >> Could anyone know the reason. >> I am using Lenovo X200. >> >> thanks >> >> -Hui >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss