From denghui02@gmail.com Tue Sep 1 07:06:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE0328C347 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 07:06:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.393 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.393 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.206, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0DJrPUe2aQMu for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 07:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f207.google.com (mail-ew0-f207.google.com [209.85.219.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB54F3A6FA7 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 07:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so1318365ewy.42 for ; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:06:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=kSyL3Ag3EMekYsyJYKqqTxm8WYCtX7vaDrfJg/kAITU=; b=bbWXxkzuK1rHB8JaWXksNha9U7ybSbzNk42nQrK4yaymQ9J+j41xCSWmOtzIDELcsC +8tukspOhR6EGS3J19mJ5iqDBWCwxIMSIEh5Paw+lg6PzDRPu58AiCK6AMymUyDOtEG9 7rJ3vTS3EPawuy1LB4GwzkUDl6iQjEF5BqMhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=uvll97dT2fRLNSk8n+5E+axWEotREU8W/jB7iXA6m1F0TJszsAHqUKda/rvqkdDvKS U3VnukddwE5D6kclWQSc3fhSnNOKk8xVv8Z98wNQy8I1rzpa8O9/SBZfPBGt/oKECK8G tVRyVA9l2Q/u0Q6gqjCHnZ5o8adnlnrMpGbVk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.152.15 with SMTP id e15mr6288857ebo.30.1251813977068; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:06:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:06:17 +0800 Message-ID: <1d38a3350909010706r5dee3f4ducaf6fd2c7c739790@mail.gmail.com> From: Hui Deng To: Stefan Santesson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] why my nroffedit is so slow X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:06:12 -0000 It's really good now, cool... thanks a lot for your kind help. Best regards, -Hui 2009/9/1 Stefan Santesson : > Actually, I just posted a new version that improves the experience quite a > bit when working with large files (or slow computers). > > This is incorporated in version 1.33, available from: > http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/index.html > > In 1.33 there is a timer that prevents any update action until 1.5 seconds > after last key press. That way there will be no updating going on while > typing. You can override this timer by checking "Instant Text Update" in the > edit menu (off by default). > > > /Stefan > > > > > On 09-08-31 7:36 PM, "Stefan Santesson" wrote: > >> Hi Hui >> >> The delays in version 1.2 and beyond is mainly caused by the spell checker >> and automatic instant updates of the text version of your draft. >> >> There is a new version (1.32) available that has implemented several >> optimizations. >> >> When editing large files it is advisable to turn off the Automatic Update >> feature. This way you can edit without delay and only update the text when >> you want to see the result. >> >> You can also turn off the spell checker in order to speed up the process >> when you don't need it. >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> /Stefan >> >> >> >> >> On 09-08-30 4:38 PM, "Hui Deng" wrote: >> >>> Could anyone know the reason. >>> I am using Lenovo X200. >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> -Hui >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Sep 1 08:11:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F07D28C795 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:11:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pp2XjV0ScGeN for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1393A7066 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host-78-64-62-120.homerun.telia.com ([78.64.62.120]:55971) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MiUyP-0005N5-3m; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:08:41 +0200 Message-ID: <4A9D38F8.50504@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:08:40 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Barwood References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 78.64.62.120 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: george.barwood@blueyonder.co.uk, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Rfcmarkup-1.83 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:11:04 -0000 Hi George, On 2009-08-29 08:21 George Barwood said the following: > I'm getting inconsistent results when using the URL > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-barwood-dnsext-dns-transport > > Sometimes it redirects to > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-barwood-dnsext-dns-transport-01 > > and sometime it doesn't redirect and shows only version 00. > > What I want is a link that will always show the latest version of the draft. > > Is this possible? The URL without any explicit number should always redirect to the latest version of the draft. I just checked all the tools servers, and they all currently redirect to -02. The only time you should see the behaviour above would be when a new version has just appeared in the repository, and the servers have not all yet downloaded the new version. Best, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Sep 10 07:06:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10653A69ED for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:06:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8GDoNbjlsvZe for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6ABC3A69A4 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48977 helo=brunello.autonomica.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlkIz-0008Po-KR; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:07:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4AA90819.4050707@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:07:21 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Discussion X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: [Tools-discuss] Tools release feed X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:06:48 -0000 Hi, In order to make it easier to follow tool releases for people who may wish to do so, I've put together a feed which pulls information from the changelog file and a meta-information file for each tool hosted on tools.ietf.org. General Info: The feed is available at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/atomfeed.xml and there is an autodiscovery link in the tools overview page at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ The intention is to provide feed entries not only for tools hosted on tools.ietf.org, but also for other tools which are listed on the tools overview page. For Tool Authors: In order to make it easy to automatically add release information to the feed, the tool which puts together the feed reads meta-information from an augmented debian-style control[1] file, and release information from a debian-style changelog[2] file. If you can arrange for your tool releases to contain a control file and changelog in the appropriate format, and be available online, the online repository will be regularly polled, and the tool overview page and the feed automatically updated. The additional control file entries required are: Url: Repository: Category: The control file fields which are currently used are: Package: Description: Maintainer: Url: Repository: Category: Comments and suggestions are welcome. Best, Henrik [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html [2] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-dpkgchangelog From stpeter@stpeter.im Fri Sep 11 09:45:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBD828C201 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:45:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.869 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.869 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.270, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w0dwnzmTDogy for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (stpeter.im [207.210.219.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709BF28C1FD for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-64-101-72-247.cisco.com (dhcp-64-101-72-247.cisco.com [64.101.72.247]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E7A9340D09 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4AAA7EB7.5050100@stpeter.im> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:45:43 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 OpenPGP: url=http://www.saint-andre.com/me/stpeter.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:23:58 -0700 Subject: [Tools-discuss] bug report: autogenerated section links X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:45:08 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It seems that the I-D HTML output autogenerates internal links to things like "Section *.*" even if the text is referring to an external document. See for example: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis-01#section-12.1 Best, Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkqqfrcACgkQNL8k5A2w/vwWEACfSpj60h7g/AyHHyfbxOGl26dO 314AoKXbwfmsqkZxNMuSjmXAPFDN89NW =SdeV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From henrik@levkowetz.com Sat Sep 12 14:04:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B00A3A68CD for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:04:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zgUE+M9uCZ5b for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379703A6896 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-232-110-214-no16.tbcn.telia.com ([81.232.110.214]:62734 helo=chardonnay.local) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MmZmP-0002f7-GI; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:05:10 +0200 Message-ID: <4AAC0D04.8070004@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:05:08 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Saint-Andre References: <4AAA7EB7.5050100@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: <4AAA7EB7.5050100@stpeter.im> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.232.110.214 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: stpeter@stpeter.im, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bug report: autogenerated section links X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:04:43 -0000 Hi Peter, On 2009-09-11 18:45 Peter Saint-Andre said the following: > It seems that the I-D HTML output autogenerates internal links to things > like "Section *.*" even if the text is referring to an external > document. See for example: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis-01#section-12.1 Yes. This is because these HTML versions are generated straight from the text documents, not from for instance XML source, and the generation is basically regex-based; i.e., the text document is *not* parsed into a datastructure where for instance references could be resolved to documents and appropriate external html links could be generated. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be great to have a parser, rather than just a regex-based conversion, but that requires more work than I've had time for. I can suppress link generation for the special case of 'Section X.Y of [ref]' (and similar), but generating sensible links for this case and the 'Section 2.6 therein' case seems out of reach at the moment. Regards, Henrik From Sandra.Murphy@cobham.com Thu Sep 17 07:24:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B7F3A6808 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:24:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.475 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.475 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.124, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MDx+kp9d6YiQ for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from M4.sparta.com (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5853D3A6896 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 07:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id n8HEP2mi023777 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:25:02 -0500 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n8HEP24W032046 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:25:02 -0500 Received: from SANDYM-LT.columbia.ads.sparta.com ([157.185.248.8]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:25:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:25:01 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Sandra Murphy To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: X-X-Sender: sandy@nemo.columbia.sparta.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2009 14:25:02.0442 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4E8A4A0:01CA37A2] Subject: [Tools-discuss] tools issue tracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:24:12 -0000 There's a request in my wg that "we move to using the ietf tools issue tracker". That is a tool that has gottem some praise on the wg chairs list. But I can't find it. Lame, I know. Even the tools site's tool page didn't help me. Coudl you (gently) apply clue there? --Sandy From Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Thu Sep 17 08:37:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA82E3A6965 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:37:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.411 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.411 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.188, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VeU-80yf++QF for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx06.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8683A69CC for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id n8HFbUSH030485; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:37:52 +0300 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:37:37 +0300 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.5]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:37:32 +0300 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.106]) by nok-am1mhub-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.5]) with mapi; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:37:30 +0200 From: To: , Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:37:31 +0200 Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] tools issue tracker? Thread-Index: Aco3orzVP+j6IMNuSFaEDG6Si1uA6QACcabg Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB773C06B22EBF@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2009 15:37:32.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5F52380:01CA37AC] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools issue tracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:37:18 -0000 Go to the WG's page (e.g. http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ipsecme/) and=20 click "Issues" in the top of the page. If your WG doesn't have it yet, you can ask Henrik to create it for your WG. Best regards, Pasi > -----Original Message----- > From: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:tools-discuss- > bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Sandra Murphy > Sent: 17 September, 2009 17:25 > To: tools-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: [Tools-discuss] tools issue tracker? >=20 > There's a request in my wg that "we move to using the ietf tools issue > tracker". >=20 > That is a tool that has gottem some praise on the wg chairs list. >=20 > But I can't find it. Lame, I know. Even the tools site's tool page > didn't help me. >=20 > Coudl you (gently) apply clue there? >=20 > --Sandy >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From cabo@tzi.org Mon Sep 21 04:59:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A423A68D9 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:59:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.072 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.072 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.177, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VBDkPgFf5OKU for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9:209:3dff:fe00:7136]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C74F3A6A10 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:59:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n8LC02B3023875; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:00:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.101] (p5489EDD7.dip.t-dialin.net [84.137.237.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE562B138; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:00:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> From: Carsten Bormann To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:00:00 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: Zach Shelby Subject: [Tools-discuss] rfcdiff lies X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:59:15 -0000 I just had an interesting encounter with rfcdiff, more precisely with http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lowpan-nd-05.txt draft-ietf-6lowpan-nd-05.txt changes a packet format from its -04 version: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type | Code | Checksum | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | TID | Status |P| Reserved | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Lifetime | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | + Owner Interface Identifier + | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Owner Nonce | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Registration option(s)... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Figure 6: Node Registration/Confirmation message format to its -05 version: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type | Code | Checksum | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | TID | Status |P| Reserved | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Binding Lifetime | Advertising Interval | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | + Owner Interface Identifier + | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Owner Nonce | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Registration option(s)... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Figure 6: Node Registration/Confirmation message format Note how the second word has changed, but this is expressed *only in whitespace*. I can't exactly reproduce what rfcdiff makes out of this in this message. See URL above. But it suggests -05 says: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type | Code | Checksum | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | TID | Status |P| Reserved | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Binding Lifetime | Advertising Interval | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | + Owner Interface Identifier + | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Owner Nonce | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Registration option(s)... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Figure 6: Node Registration/Confirmation message format I was just about to file the defect report on -05... Whitespace *is* significant in RFC box notation! Even if the change is not color-coded (which would probably be hard to do in general for whitespace-only changes), the right column should get its content from the actual file, not from the "unchanged" contents of the left column. Until then, I'll triple-check my box notation from the original files. Gruesse, Carsten From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Sep 21 06:31:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295523A6840 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:31:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4CfHUBMNvvDz for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6C13A68E1 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:60543) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mpizx-0001Xx-Pi; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:32:10 +0200 Message-ID: <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:32:08 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig5FF07F279A1EB84516766EC8" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: cabo@tzi.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, zach@sensinode.com, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Zach Shelby , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] rfcdiff lies X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:31:12 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig5FF07F279A1EB84516766EC8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2009-09-21 14:00 Carsten Bormann said the following: > I just had an interesting encounter with rfcdiff, more precisely with >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-6lowpan-nd-05.txt Ugh. Not good. > I was just about to file the defect report on -05... >=20 > Whitespace *is* significant in RFC box notation! >=20 > Even if the change is not color-coded (which would probably be hard to = =20 > do in general for whitespace-only changes), the right column should =20 > get its content from the actual file, not from the "unchanged" =20 > contents of the left column. Agreed. > Until then, I'll triple-check my box notation from the original files. I've made an experimental update of rfcdiff which doesn't consider white-= space significant when looking for changes in general. Doing this only for artwork requires a major re-write of the tool, so I'm looking for workable solutions which require somewhat less work. The URL above should now show the whitespace change faithfully, with color-coding. The drawback is that whitespace changes will be shown throughout the file. I don't really know if that is a problem with today's draft-production tools, though. Feedback on this would be appreciated. Regards, Henrik --------------enig5FF07F279A1EB84516766EC8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAkq3gFkACgkQeVhrtTJkXCPxjQCdEYR9tFhe75TG4slTohy4epU9 hcMAoIVoK9f2DVch35O55czSMAxk9DFK =rM2L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig5FF07F279A1EB84516766EC8-- From cabo@tzi.org Mon Sep 21 06:38:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B193A6A31 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:38:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.085 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.085 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.164, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nHQLhv0d-UuR for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9:209:3dff:fe00:7136]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84F83A6A25 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:38:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n8LDdWFQ022956; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:39:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.101] (p5489EDD7.dip.t-dialin.net [84.137.237.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B06B1E8; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:39:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com> References: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com> Message-Id: <7DBFB4F7-36AE-44E1-85D6-DB4739F38818@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:39:30 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: Zach Shelby , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] rfcdiff lies X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:38:41 -0000 On Sep 21, 2009, at 15:32, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > I've made an experimental update of rfcdiff which doesn't consider > white- > space significant Thanks! As you can see from section 1.1, this adds a bit of noise, but also makes the result more comprehensible (pure whitespace changes were not echoed in the right column, so when an actual change intervenes, the indentation becomes strange). I think it is correct to err on the side of not losing changes, so I applaud this modification. That went fast, by the way! Gruesse, Carsten From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Sep 21 06:54:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19BA3A6823 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:54:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bdh-r6W5byGy for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D203A68CE for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:61374) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MpjMS-00033n-1N; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:55:24 +0200 Message-ID: <4AB785CB.2020306@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:55:23 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com> <7DBFB4F7-36AE-44E1-85D6-DB4739F38818@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <7DBFB4F7-36AE-44E1-85D6-DB4739F38818@tzi.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigD3EB956F6159371B27A1D405" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: cabo@tzi.org, zach@sensinode.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Zach Shelby , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] rfcdiff lies X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:54:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigD3EB956F6159371B27A1D405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2009-09-21 15:39 Carsten Bormann said the following: > On Sep 21, 2009, at 15:32, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >=20 >> I've made an experimental update of rfcdiff which doesn't consider =20 >> white- >> space significant (s/significant/insignificant) > Thanks! >=20 > As you can see from section 1.1, this adds a bit of noise, but also =20 > makes the result more comprehensible (pure whitespace changes were not = =20 > echoed in the right column, so when an actual change intervenes, the =20 > indentation becomes strange). Yes. That was a known problem, but I didn't have a good solution to it earlier. The problem you pointed out made not ignoring whitespace changes at all an option, which also fixes the wrong indentation. > I think it is correct to err on the side of not losing changes, so I =20 > applaud this modification. Ok, good. If others don't come up with major reservations, I'll make a regular release shortly. > That went fast, by the way! Thanks :-) Best, Henrik --------------enigD3EB956F6159371B27A1D405 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAkq3hcsACgkQeVhrtTJkXCP4+ACbBS5Yx8gr6+Rn9+fuYIthT61Y MK0AniiyaDIxMXRkXAbVTEbxloWSu0In =DNhd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigD3EB956F6159371B27A1D405--