From spencer@wonderhamster.org Mon Oct 12 16:03:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2D628C298 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:03:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a18vvoTk6ULR for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8378028C290 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from S73602b (w173.z064002096.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.2.96.173]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LtHlr-1MGlW82eM7-012GSB; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:03:14 -0400 Message-ID: <50D38B5A27AE479DA2D8B17E87977D83@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: References: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com><7DBFB4F7-36AE-44E1-85D6-DB4739F38818@tzi.org> <4AB785CB.2020306@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:03:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18AhrMZPgZ9t8k0y4570PILiBVKnO1TC4dlstC VROY14MRF+7V6z+Td18eVtTJKHaTWtyAGNgNLA9oCv1wA1+DPL /8MVDHXvvIer+bu/snXm4Modie9NWHA Subject: [Tools-discuss] Looking for XML2RFC validator - help! seems to be MIA X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:03:19 -0000 I had a private link to Bill Fenner's online validation tool, and that's not working, which isn't anyone's problem but mine, but I'm also getting redirected from http://tools.ietf.org/inventory/author-tools to http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/, which isn't opening, either. Any idea where I SHOULD be looking? Thanks, Spencer From brian@innovationslab.net Tue Oct 13 04:36:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62053A68E2 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:36:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wziLEpxaHO-N for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com (uillean.fuaim.com [206.197.161.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE9A3A685C for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (clairseach.fuaim.com [206.197.161.141]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6961988233; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DeathValley.local (c-69-255-98-109.hsd1.md.comcast.net [69.255.98.109]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by clairseach.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F264713693B5; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD46603.8080904@innovationslab.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:35:31 -0400 From: Brian Haberman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins References: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com><7DBFB4F7-36AE-44E1-85D6-DB4739F38818@tzi.org> <4AB785CB.2020306@levkowetz.com> <50D38B5A27AE479DA2D8B17E87977D83@china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <50D38B5A27AE479DA2D8B17E87977D83@china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Looking for XML2RFC validator - help! seems to be MIA X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:36:56 -0000 Hmm, I used to get there via http://www.fenron.com/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/, but that domain seems to be squatted now. Regards, Brian Spencer Dawkins wrote: > I had a private link to Bill Fenner's online validation tool, and that's > not working, which isn't anyone's problem but mine, but I'm also getting > redirected from http://tools.ietf.org/inventory/author-tools to > http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/, which isn't opening, > either. > > Any idea where I SHOULD be looking? > > Thanks, > > Spencer > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From spencer@wonderhamster.org Tue Oct 13 05:39:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDD328C17F for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:39:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z6WwX301MyFF for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EEC28C17E for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M8kK4-1N7YYK3Z2y-00CjLl; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:38:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "Brian Haberman" References: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com><7DBFB4F7-36AE-44E1-85D6-DB4739F38818@tzi.org> <4AB785CB.2020306@levkowetz.com> <50D38B5A27AE479DA2D8B17E87977D83@china.huawei.com> <4AD46603.8080904@innovationslab.net> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:38:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18WUqd7vTTOZXUI/zlM95v5wGyHHbHli+0/9Bs iWPTA8E5n4J30cZKDHAhF/G8g3PPZr6A0oWMprsNt1Z9pptlI9 D0tVIzt0GaFGzYfCJ22ZpDYMOvzpBIK Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Looking for XML2RFC validator - help! seems to be MIA X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:39:07 -0000 Yeah, that was the other link I was using :-( Spencer > Hmm, I used to get there via > http://www.fenron.com/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/, but that domain seems > to be squatted now. > > Regards, > Brian > > Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> I had a private link to Bill Fenner's online validation tool, and that's >> not working, which isn't anyone's problem but mine, but I'm also getting >> redirected from http://tools.ietf.org/inventory/author-tools to >> http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/, which isn't opening, >> either. >> >> Any idea where I SHOULD be looking? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Spencer >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From julian.reschke@gmx.de Tue Oct 13 06:01:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E28B28C18D for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:01:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vPOEe-+Hp4jU for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0223828C194 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Oct 2009 13:00:58 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.117]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 13 Oct 2009 15:00:58 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+/AzN28ci/L2cxMDQKRsKocoZaOPHOwwaRzNhHnw cpHUFhKyAiYeZ0 Message-ID: <4AD47A06.9080406@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:00:54 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins References: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com><7DBFB4F7-36AE-44E1-85D6-DB4739F38818@tzi.org> <4AB785CB.2020306@levkowetz.com> <50D38B5A27AE479DA2D8B17E87977D83@china.huawei.com> <4AD46603.8080904@innovationslab.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.75 Cc: Brian Haberman , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Looking for XML2RFC validator - help! seems to be MIA X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:01:00 -0000 Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Yeah, that was the other link I was using :-( > > Spencer > ... Just a reminder: this may not be a substitute to Bill's validator, but you can always run the source through a validating XML parser... BR, Julian From elwynd@dial.pipex.com Tue Oct 13 07:37:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C84C3A68EB for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:37:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.727 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.727 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jQJtLN5LN2ps for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:0:30::51bb:1e34]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664B63A68AF for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 153.107.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.107.153] helo=[81.187.254.244]) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MxiV6-00023u-Lj; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:37:20 +0100 Message-ID: <4AD4909E.1060602@dial.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:37:18 +0100 From: Elwyn Davies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins References: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com><7DBFB4F7-36AE-44E1-85D6-DB4739F38818@tzi.org> <4AB785CB.2020306@levkowetz.com> <50D38B5A27AE479DA2D8B17E87977D83@china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <50D38B5A27AE479DA2D8B17E87977D83@china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Looking for XML2RFC validator - help! seems to be MIA X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:37:24 -0000 Spencer Dawkins wrote: > I had a private link to Bill Fenner's online validation tool, and > that's not working, which isn't anyone's problem but mine, but I'm > also getting redirected from > http://tools.ietf.org/inventory/author-tools to > http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/, which isn't opening, > either. > > Any idea where I SHOULD be looking? The alternative is/was http://www.fenron.com/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/ (listed in the XML2RFC FAQ) but that doesn't seem to be working either although I know it used to work Regards, Elwyn. > > > Thanks, > > Spencer > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From llynch@civil-tongue.net Tue Oct 13 15:10:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D6B3A68EF for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:10:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MgDdKfNdo7J9 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hiroshima.bogus.com (hiroshima.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCC63A68A5 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hiroshima.bogus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hiroshima.bogus.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9DMAJrX022820 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:10:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from llynch@civil-tongue.net) Received: from localhost (llynch@localhost) by hiroshima.bogus.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9DMAJ0I022817 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:10:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from llynch@civil-tongue.net) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:10:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Lucy Lynch X-X-Sender: llynch@hiroshima.bogus.com To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Looking for XML2RFC validator - help! seems to be MIA X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:10:20 -0000 On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Brian Haberman wrote: > Hmm, I used to get there via > http://www.fenron.com/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/, but that domain seems to > be squatted now. sources report that this is being worked on, if you need another path to Billo - contact me and I'll send an address that works. He already knows fenron.com is a problem. - Lucy > Regards, > Brian > > Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> I had a private link to Bill Fenner's online validation tool, and that's not >> working, which isn't anyone's problem but mine, but I'm also getting >> redirected from http://tools.ietf.org/inventory/author-tools to >> http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/, which isn't opening, >> either. >> >> Any idea where I SHOULD be looking? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Spencer >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From fenner@fenron.com Tue Oct 13 17:20:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F9F3A6936 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:20:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mxQqzsqE6Q2H for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f175.google.com (mail-vw0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1D53A6359 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5so6525377vws.31 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:20:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: fenner@fenron.com Received: by 10.220.79.168 with SMTP id p40mr10988216vck.110.1255479625729; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:20:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50D38B5A27AE479DA2D8B17E87977D83@china.huawei.com> References: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com> <7DBFB4F7-36AE-44E1-85D6-DB4739F38818@tzi.org> <4AB785CB.2020306@levkowetz.com> <50D38B5A27AE479DA2D8B17E87977D83@china.huawei.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:20:25 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 65a8c12c6dd6a030 Message-ID: <54e226890910131720m3d358e7bm4995cf0fe037d32d@mail.gmail.com> From: Bill Fenner To: Spencer Dawkins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Looking for XML2RFC validator - help! seems to be MIA X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:20:28 -0000 On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > I had a private link to Bill Fenner's online validation tool, and that's not > working, which isn't anyone's problem but mine, but I'm also getting > redirected from http://tools.ietf.org/inventory/author-tools to > http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/, which isn't opening, > either. > > Any idea where I SHOULD be looking? Try http://www.fenron.net/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/ . My apologies for the service disruption. Bill From lynch@isoc.org Tue Oct 13 15:08:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBC028C0DD for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:08:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mFsnMtnVot1X for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hiroshima.bogus.com (hiroshima.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180293A67B3 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hiroshima.bogus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hiroshima.bogus.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9DM8XDr022550; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:08:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@isoc.org) Received: from localhost (llynch@localhost) by hiroshima.bogus.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9DM8Woo022547; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:08:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@isoc.org) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:08:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Lucy Lynch X-X-Sender: llynch@hiroshima.bogus.com To: Brian Haberman In-Reply-To: <4AD46603.8080904@innovationslab.net> Message-ID: References: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com><7DBFB4F7-36AE-44E1-85D6-DB4739F38818@tzi.org> <4AB785CB.2020306@levkowetz.com> <50D38B5A27AE479DA2D8B17E87977D83@china.huawei.com> <4AD46603.8080904@innovationslab.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:41:03 -0700 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Looking for XML2RFC validator - help! seems to be MIA X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: lynch@isoc.org List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:08:35 -0000 On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Brian Haberman wrote: > Hmm, I used to get there via > http://www.fenron.com/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/, but that domain seems to > be squatted now. sources report that this is being worked on, if you need another path to Billo - contact me and I'll send an address that works. He already knows this is a problem... > Regards, > Brian > > Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> I had a private link to Bill Fenner's online validation tool, and that's >> not working, which isn't anyone's problem but mine, but I'm also getting >> redirected from http://tools.ietf.org/inventory/author-tools to >> http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/, which isn't opening, >> either. >> >> Any idea where I SHOULD be looking? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Spencer >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From spencer@wonderhamster.org Wed Oct 14 07:10:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3855A28C186 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:10:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.427 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.427 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.312, BAYES_20=-0.74, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MD8WDjHyTnTo for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4429F28C189 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from S73602b (w173.z064002096.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.2.96.173]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M0ORB-1M7tAb2bHh-00uBVR; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:10:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "Bill Fenner" References: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com> <7DBFB4F7-36AE-44E1-85D6-DB4739F38818@tzi.org> <4AB785CB.2020306@levkowetz.com> <50D38B5A27AE479DA2D8B17E87977D83@china.huawei.com> <54e226890910131720m3d358e7bm4995cf0fe037d32d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:09:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/GRschd6HWnz9YLhOX2we5gxfT46pbvFJXh6f S0Vt5zEw27b3Qz5cMbCoMpxrqXIkjAwXoX77ucrrvPkM/FBFIv PoUC21Iq4yvI0Otb44pSeq1t/UrRwjxeHCJROhxKkk= Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Looking for XML2RFC validator - help! seems to be MIA X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:10:03 -0000 Hi, Bill, Thanks for your help. Could someone also fix the ietf tools link? Thanks, Spencer > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Spencer Dawkins > wrote: >> I had a private link to Bill Fenner's online validation tool, and that's >> not >> working, which isn't anyone's problem but mine, but I'm also getting >> redirected from http://tools.ietf.org/inventory/author-tools to >> http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/, which isn't opening, >> either. >> >> Any idea where I SHOULD be looking? > > Try http://www.fenron.net/~fenner/ietf/xml2rfc-valid/ . > > My apologies for the service disruption. > > Bill From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Oct 14 10:02:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B726B3A68A9 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:02:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tHKJTN9ZQOBW for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E060F3A688B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-94-254-74-41.na.cust.bahnhof.se ([94.254.74.41]:62260 helo=chardonnay.local) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1My7Ej-0006Ia-5W; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:02:05 +0200 Message-ID: <4AD6040B.4050904@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:02:03 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins References: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com> <7DBFB4F7-36AE-44E1-85D6-DB4739F38818@tzi.org> <4AB785CB.2020306@levkowetz.com> <50D38B5A27AE479DA2D8B17E87977D83@china.huawei.com> <54e226890910131720m3d358e7bm4995cf0fe037d32d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 94.254.74.41 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: spencer@wonderhamster.org, fenner@fenron.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Bill Fenner , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Looking for XML2RFC validator - help! seems to be MIA X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:02:09 -0000 On 2009-10-14 16:09 Spencer Dawkins said the following: > Hi, Bill, > > Thanks for your help. > > Could someone also fix the ietf tools link? Fixed! Regards, Henrik From elwynd@dial.pipex.com Wed Oct 14 15:35:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134E03A6885 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:35:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.163 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.163 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.436, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kqY5y9K7ykF5 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c.a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:0:30::51bb:1e33]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21FB3A67AE for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 153.107.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.107.153] helo=[81.187.254.250]) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MyCR7-00059w-Ma; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:35:13 +0100 From: Elwyn Davies To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <4AD6040B.4050904@levkowetz.com> References: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com> <7DBFB4F7-36AE-44E1-85D6-DB4739F38818@tzi.org> <4AB785CB.2020306@levkowetz.com> <50D38B5A27AE479DA2D8B17E87977D83@china.huawei.com> <54e226890910131720m3d358e7bm4995cf0fe037d32d@mail.gmail.com> <4AD6040B.4050904@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:34:45 +0100 Message-Id: <1255559685.3739.54.camel@mightyatom.folly.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Bill Fenner , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Looking for XML2RFC validator - help! seems to be MIA X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:35:18 -0000 On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 19:02 +0200, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > On 2009-10-14 16:09 Spencer Dawkins said the following: > > Hi, Bill, > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > Could someone also fix the ietf tools link? > > Fixed! > > > Regards, > > Henrik The link in http://xml.resource.org/xml2rfcFAQ.html (section 7.1) also needs fixing. Could somebody deal with this please? Regards, Elwyn > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From hagens@ISI.EDU Wed Oct 14 16:11:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A563A68A7 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:11:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yli5+mkEHEok for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DF13A688B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.9.184.180] ([128.9.184.180]) (authenticated bits=0) by nitro.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9ENAL4W029423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:10:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1255559685.3739.54.camel@mightyatom.folly.org.uk> References: <1D9C8368-EF6B-4131-B912-E2E307DA58AB@tzi.org> <4AB78058.1090609@levkowetz.com> <7DBFB4F7-36AE-44E1-85D6-DB4739F38818@tzi.org> <4AB785CB.2020306@levkowetz.com> <50D38B5A27AE479DA2D8B17E87977D83@china.huawei.com> <54e226890910131720m3d358e7bm4995cf0fe037d32d@mail.gmail.com> <4AD6040B.4050904@levkowetz.com> <1255559685.3739.54.camel@mightyatom.folly.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3EC7C99D-A926-4546-98CD-3591170165EC@isi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alice Hagens Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:09:11 -0700 To: Elwyn Davies X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-MailScanner-ID: n9ENAL4W029423 X-ISI-4-69-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: hagens@isi.edu Cc: Bill Fenner , Henrik Levkowetz , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Looking for XML2RFC validator - help! seems to be MIA X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:11:00 -0000 Will do. Also, I plan to revise a few other items in xml2rfcFAQ, as pointed out by Frank Ellermann quite a while ago. Have updated the link on this page: http://www.rfc-editor.org/formatting.html Alice On Oct 14, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Elwyn Davies wrote: > On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 19:02 +0200, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> On 2009-10-14 16:09 Spencer Dawkins said the following: >>> Hi, Bill, >>> >>> Thanks for your help. >>> >>> Could someone also fix the ietf tools link? >> >> Fixed! >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Henrik > The link in http://xml.resource.org/xml2rfcFAQ.html (section 7.1) > also needs fixing. Could somebody deal with this please? > > Regards, > Elwyn > >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From aakhter@cisco.com Thu Oct 15 21:49:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F61A3A67BD for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:49:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NgZQNdtvWK0O for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0053A6782 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:49:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=aakhter@cisco.com; l=232; q=dns/txt; s=rtpiport01001; t=1255668579; x=1256878179; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20"Aamer=20Akhter=20(aakhter)"=20|Subject:=20html=20renderer=20does=20not=20have=20RDF |Date:=20Fri,=2016=20Oct=202009=2000:49:29=20-0400 |Message-ID:=20|To:=20|MIME-Version:=201.0|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20quoted -printable; bh=xNpM1VFJA6P5ySkN47fbkR2BBJVQia8hLl4nn+N9KMI=; b=LIC3CjlDJhXpfujXhVLVLGIJv9mUlvL8FDQEKLvwmpSjgURiMSM9qzYh EqMuuk0gHpzw/gENVBOkne6bWZTftaYqHgy/P1nmXr6XvRtc8Ud0ja3lG GmxR0ZHvTXcUBepqu1UWznY4GFRd/HJv8FQlVdciX6W/DHXAMkDi3Oq8H k=; Authentication-Results: rtp-iport-1.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAFaY10pAZnwM/2dsb2JhbADAX5gWhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,570,1249257600"; d="scan'208";a="63347172" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com ([64.102.124.12]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Oct 2009 04:49:38 +0000 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9G4ncQ6013940 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:49:38 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.13]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:49:38 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable x-cr-hashedpuzzle: Askj CA2P CfUx DUEx Dbcy Dk32 EH+9 FSxL Fcpx Gi1P Glul IG4Q Iahy JGE4 JMJo JN9/; 1; dABvAG8AbABzAC0AZABpAHMAYwB1AHMAcwBAAGkAZQB0AGYALgBvAHIAZwA=; Sosha1_v1; 7; {F7635E24-9594-41A0-B02E-1364DBAA43D9}; YQBhAGsAaAB0AGUAcgBAAGMAaQBzAGMAbwAuAGMAbwBtAA==; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:49:29 GMT; aAB0AG0AbAAgAHIAZQBuAGQAZQByAGUAcgAgAGQAbwBlAHMAIABuAG8AdAAgAGgAYQB2AGUAIABSAEQARgA= x-cr-puzzleid: {F7635E24-9594-41A0-B02E-1364DBAA43D9} Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:49:29 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: html renderer does not have RDF Thread-Index: AcpOHAt8rJZ7009zSS2ysiGUQNZD3Q== From: "Aamer Akhter (aakhter)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2009 04:49:38.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[112E53A0:01CA4E1C] Subject: [Tools-discuss] html renderer does not have RDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:49:36 -0000 Hello, It seems that an RDF is created for RFC rendering: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2475 but not for drafts: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-aitken-ipfix-new-infos-03 Can RDF be made available for drafts as well? From julian.reschke@gmx.de Thu Oct 15 23:18:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBEB93A6A0C for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:18:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.207, BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hIKWrA6GUOG2 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 46EBD3A693C for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Oct 2009 06:18:57 -0000 Received: from p508FE58B.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.229.139] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 16 Oct 2009 08:18:57 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19QNdYpJC1QtUd06WGXDN8s2WVgNr+etQF0TBGskK bDeoCLWsCaiMhe Message-ID: <4AD81049.3030908@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:18:49 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aamer Akhter (aakhter)" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] html renderer does not have RDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:18:57 -0000 Aamer Akhter (aakhter) wrote: > Hello, > > It seems that an RDF is created for RFC rendering: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2475 > > but not for drafts: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-aitken-ipfix-new-infos-03 > > Can RDF be made available for drafts as well? When you say "RDF" do you mean the DC-HTML extensions (as defined in )? In that case you'll have to wait for the ID to be reformatted by a newer version of "rfcmarkup", which should happen automatically (when rfcmarkup is updated, not all pages are automatically regenerated). BR, Julian From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Oct 16 00:52:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18B03A6A3F for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:52:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.664 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.664 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0U4H9uzwtjHM for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23DB3A6A1F for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-94-254-74-41.na.cust.bahnhof.se ([94.254.74.41]:50068 helo=chardonnay.local) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Myhbz-0003WH-BE; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:52:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4AD8263E.20403@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:52:30 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aamer Akhter (aakhter)" References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 94.254.74.41 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: aakhter@cisco.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] html renderer does not have RDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:52:31 -0000 Hi Aamer, On 2009-10-16 06:49 Aamer Akhter (aakhter) said the following: > Hello, > > It seems that an RDF is created for RFC rendering: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2475 > > but not for drafts: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-aitken-ipfix-new-infos-03 > > Can RDF be made available for drafts as well? I assume you are referring to the Dublin Core (DC) metainformation about the document which is embedded in the HTML element of the document at the first URL above, but not in the second. DC metainformation tags will be generated for all documents if the metainformation is available at the time the html rendering is performed, otherwise not. The ability to insert DC metainformation in the HTML rendered documents was added to the renderer on 2009-06-25. The draft you refer to above was converted just a few days earlier, on 2009-06-22 (GMT). Documents are re-converted using the latest version of the renderer if the previous conversion occurred more than 91 days ago (and also when there is updated status information). For the draft you refer to, the 91 days will have passed on 2009-09-22, and it will be re- converted (and contain DC metainformation tags) on that date (or earlier, if its status changes). Regards, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Oct 16 00:55:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7BE3A6A3D for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:55:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.271, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bIjbX8zVwKg9 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxf2.bahnhof.se (mxf2.bahnhof.se [213.80.101.26]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F473A6988 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mxf2.local [127.0.0.1]) by mxf2-reinject (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA906BD1F5; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:55:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at bahnhof.se (MXF2) Received: from mxf2.bahnhof.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mxf2.bahnhof.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZAarIkW2j1YD; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:54:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h-94-254-74-41.NA.cust.bahnhof.se [94.254.74.41]) by mxf2.bahnhof.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10F16BD02A; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:54:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56964 helo=chardonnay.local) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MyheM-0004zX-Je; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:54:58 +0200 Message-ID: <4AD826D1.3000609@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:54:57 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4AD81049.3030908@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4AD81049.3030908@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: julian.reschke@gmx.de, aakhter@cisco.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: "Aamer Akhter \(aakhter\)" , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] html renderer does not have RDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:55:26 -0000 Hi Julian, On 2009-10-16 08:18 Julian Reschke said the following: > Aamer Akhter (aakhter) wrote: >> Hello, >> >> It seems that an RDF is created for RFC rendering: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2475 >> >> but not for drafts: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-aitken-ipfix-new-infos-03 >> >> Can RDF be made available for drafts as well? > > When you say "RDF" do you mean the DC-HTML extensions (as defined in > )? In that case > you'll have to wait for the ID to be reformatted by a newer version of > "rfcmarkup", which should happen automatically (when rfcmarkup is > updated, not all pages are automatically regenerated). Heh. You already said what I just spent some time writing down, but more succinctly :-) In this case it would have been good to look forward in the list of unread mail to see if the question had already been answered ,;-] Best, Henrik From gwz@net-zen.net Wed Oct 14 19:24:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228E53A68F7 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:24:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.49 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.49 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.490, BAYES_60=1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o7pEXgeb9Nff for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpauth11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.33]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 899C83A68A3 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13290 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2009 02:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (124.120.219.62) by smtpauth11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.33) with ESMTP; 15 Oct 2009 02:24:52 -0000 From: "Glen Zorn" To: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:24:40 +0700 Organization: Network Zen Message-ID: <000001ca4d3e$a8444d00$f8cce700$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcpNPqX77elHUNwtRy6/9cgUOxyG2Q== Content-Language: en-us X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:09:30 -0700 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Loginmgr-0.13 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:24:51 -0000 attempting create a new account, this tool does not accept my email address (gwz@net-zen.net) as valid. From weiler@watson.org Thu Oct 15 19:14:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCF428C1DD for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id leZHEtFEYtIy for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2082628C1CA for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9G2EEHZ014895 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:14:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from weiler@watson.org) Received: from localhost (weiler@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9G2EEAS014891 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:14:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from weiler@watson.org) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: weiler owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:14:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Samuel Weiler To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:14:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:09:30 -0700 Subject: [Tools-discuss] de-authenticate? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:14:13 -0000 Aside from messing with cookies on my end, is there a trivial way to deauthenticate from the tools site(s)? I suggest adding such a link to most pages, PARTICULARLY the NomCom pages. (I was asked for NomCom feedback at one address, but I'm typically authenticated to the tools site from a different address, and I'm having challenges swithcing between my identities. -- Sam From elwynd@dial.pipex.com Fri Oct 16 05:34:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671F93A67E3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:34:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.445 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.718, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id smkXE3l7CR-b for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:0:30::51bb:1e35]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5353A63D3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 153.107.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.107.153] helo=[81.187.254.244]) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mym0u-0000oE-OM; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:34:32 +0100 Message-ID: <4AD86856.1020508@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:34:30 +0100 From: Elwyn Davies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Samuel Weiler References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] de-authenticate? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:34:33 -0000 Samuel Weiler wrote: > Aside from messing with cookies on my end, is there a trivial way to > deauthenticate from the tools site(s)? I suggest adding such a link > to most pages, PARTICULARLY the NomCom pages. (I was asked for NomCom > feedback at one address, but I'm typically authenticated to the tools > site from a different address, and I'm having challenges swithcing > between my identities. > -- Sam I had more or less the same problem... Henrik sent me this 'hack' as a workaround. > BTW it would also be useful to have a means to logout from a session - > > once logged in with the 'wrong' email address, there is no way to > > relogin with the 'right' email address apart from clearing the session > > with browser capabilities. > > > Yes. One of the woes of using http auth. Why couldn't whoever specified > that have provided a logout mechanism? (Oh, wait, that was maybe us...) > And why haven't the browser manufacturers provide the ability to drop an > ID? > > You can always achieve the effect of logging out by appending a dummy > user ID to the URL, to make the browser drop the current ID: > > https://dummy@wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/09/input > > but that's a hack. On Mozilla Firefox you can also de-authenticate by using the 'clear recent history'/details/active logins option from tools menu (in the recent 3.5.3 release .. the menu option is different for older versions - it is buried in the 'options' tabs). Regards, Elwyn > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From aakhter@cisco.com Fri Oct 16 06:59:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE513A6939 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:59:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4V3Vjy6o0XAe for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D183A68D2 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:59:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=aakhter@cisco.com; l=3061; q=dns/txt; s=rtpiport01001; t=1255701580; x=1256911180; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20"Aamer=20Akhter=20(aakhter)"=20|Subject:=20RE:=20[Tools-discuss]=20html=20renderer=20d oes=20not=20have=20RDF|Date:=20Fri,=2016=20Oct=202009=200 9:59:25=20-0400|Message-ID:=20|To:=20"Henrik =20Levkowetz"=20,=20|Cc:=20|MIME-Version:=201 .0|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20quoted-printable |In-Reply-To:=20<4AD8263E.20403@levkowetz.com> |References:=20=20<4AD8263E.20403@levkowetz.c om>; bh=WtVNt8I5l+KI27rwJfP7oXySNg2/L4dquZRbS5c1z3M=; b=IsAu1Ib7INHGqFrq8Bqj6DOHh0W0m9xCTsPDhYha6WR1Gn/+umRfX2hz hQGb5JKnH46B3N7LcpzzRcIev/DUolwZIz83BA+z/w+QmCM0Sl6E4QizF ZpqioRNNm0KWAw53KsKKwAvgYDCYfu2UXnSgSjGU65OuhtCIz5/5JisM4 4=; Authentication-Results: rtp-iport-1.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAD8Z2EpAZnwM/2dsb2JhbADBFpgmhDAE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,573,1249257600"; d="scan'208";a="63408951" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com ([64.102.124.12]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Oct 2009 13:59:32 +0000 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9GDxW68021370; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:59:32 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.13]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:59:32 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:59:25 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AD8263E.20403@levkowetz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] html renderer does not have RDF Thread-Index: AcpONaI501wIJpTpQFCiCn+B/8taXQAMcfTg References: <4AD8263E.20403@levkowetz.com> From: "Aamer Akhter (aakhter)" To: "Henrik Levkowetz" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2009 13:59:32.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2F6A260:01CA4E68] Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] html renderer does not have RDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:59:37 -0000 Thanks Henrik & Julian Yup, I was referring to the tagged information. > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-aitken-ipfix-new-infos-03 > The draft you refer to above was converted just a few days earlier, on 2009- > 06-22 (GMT). > Documents are re-converted using the latest version of the renderer if the > previous conversion occurred more than 91 days ago (and also when there is > updated status information). For the draft you refer to, the 91 days will have > passed on 2009-09-22, and it will be re- converted (and contain DC > metainformation tags) on that date (or earlier, if its status changes). I'm missing something here. Today is 2009-10-16, well past the 91 days.=20 Thank-you for having this information added. I've found it immensely useful in the citation tool that I'm using (Zotero), as it can automatically bring in the biblio information.=20 Would it be possible to have instant-biblio-gratification by having the renderer work thru the draft over the next few days (rather than 91)? Or even better, have the updating done on reterival time-- which should only slow down for first time access.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:tools-discuss- > bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henrik Levkowetz > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:53 AM > To: Aamer Akhter (aakhter) > Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] html renderer does not have RDF >=20 > Hi Aamer, >=20 > On 2009-10-16 06:49 Aamer Akhter (aakhter) said the following: > > Hello, > > > > It seems that an RDF is created for RFC rendering: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2475 > > > > but not for drafts: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-aitken-ipfix-new-infos-03 > > > > Can RDF be made available for drafts as well? >=20 > I assume you are referring to the Dublin Core (DC) metainformation about > the document which is embedded in the HTML element of the > document at the first URL above, but not in the second. >=20 > DC metainformation tags will be generated for all documents if the > metainformation is available at the time the html rendering is performed, > otherwise not. >=20 > The ability to insert DC metainformation in the HTML rendered documents > was added to the renderer on 2009-06-25. >=20 > The draft you refer to above was converted just a few days earlier, on 2009- > 06-22 (GMT). >=20 > Documents are re-converted using the latest version of the renderer if the > previous conversion occurred more than 91 days ago (and also when there is > updated status information). For the draft you refer to, the 91 days will have > passed on 2009-09-22, and it will be re- converted (and contain DC > metainformation tags) on that date (or earlier, if its status changes). >=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Oct 16 08:06:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7283A6855 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:06:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mZKWDH1D9wqT for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2053A67B2 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se ([77.72.226.117]:57417) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MyoO3-0003Dh-Rl; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:06:36 +0200 Message-ID: <4AD88BFA.6080406@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:06:34 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aamer Akhter (aakhter)" References: <4AD8263E.20403@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 77.72.226.117 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: aakhter@cisco.com, julian.reschke@gmx.de, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: julian.reschke@gmx.de, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] html renderer does not have RDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:06:36 -0000 Hi Aamer, On 2009-10-16 15:59 Aamer Akhter (aakhter) said the following: ... > > I'm missing something here. Today is 2009-10-16, well past the 91 days. Oops, you're absolutely right. I need to debug why that draft hasn't been regenerated! > Thank-you for having this information added. I've found it immensely > useful in the citation tool that I'm using (Zotero), as it can > automatically bring in the biblio information. > > Would it be possible to have instant-biblio-gratification by having the > renderer work thru the draft over the next few days (rather than 91)? Done. > Or > even better, have the updating done on reterival time-- which should > only slow down for first time access. I don't see how to do that, given that the fast web-server path is achieved by simply serving the static converted file if it exists. I do it this way, and restrict the update frequency, for a couple of reasons: 1) The load (number of accesses) on the html converted drafts and RFCs is sufficiently high that the 4 servers currently available wouldn't be able to handle it if the html version was dynamically generated in order to be fully up-to-date, 2) I try to keep the update frequency low, as I don't want search engines to believe that they have to check the whole 65,000+ corpus every day in order to catch changes... Regards, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Oct 16 08:08:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F763A697F for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:08:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MFpl6s3hbD4R for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562263A6975 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se ([77.72.226.117]:57444) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MyoQE-0004CQ-CN; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:08:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4AD88C81.1030003@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:08:49 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen Zorn References: <000001ca4d3e$a8444d00$f8cce700$@net> In-Reply-To: <000001ca4d3e$a8444d00$f8cce700$@net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 77.72.226.117 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: gwz@net-zen.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Loginmgr-0.13 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:08:50 -0000 Hi Glen, On 2009-10-15 04:24 Glen Zorn said the following: > attempting create a new account, this tool does not accept my email address > (gwz@net-zen.net) as valid. I have been looking at this, but haven't been able to reproduce the problem. At which point do you get an indication that the email address isn't valid, and how is it worded? Regards, Henrik From gwz@net-zen.net Sat Oct 17 00:36:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA533A68CE for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:36:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.740, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I3LKascXaQe9 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p3plsmtpa01-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.89]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F4DA3A6809 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8756 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2009 07:36:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (124.120.227.34) by p3plsmtpa01-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.89) with ESMTP; 17 Oct 2009 07:36:47 -0000 From: "Glen Zorn" To: "'Henrik Levkowetz'" References: <000001ca4d3e$a8444d00$f8cce700$@net> <4AD88C81.1030003@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4AD88C81.1030003@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:36:26 +0700 Organization: Network Zen Message-ID: <003901ca4efc$8b6a3900$a23eab00$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcpOcpQDjejqAU4gRiqrryNCnpd2wwAic4Ww Content-Language: en-us X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:23:03 -0700 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Loginmgr-0.13 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:36:45 -0000 I tried this again and it just worked (?). Gremlins... Hope this helps. ~gwz From tony@att.com Tue Oct 20 14:38:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DDF3A67B0 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:38:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.855 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.855 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.744, BAYES_05=-1.11, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CAOzspsfoZcE for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail121.messagelabs.com (mail121.messagelabs.com [216.82.242.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646333A67B1 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-121.messagelabs.com!1256074711!28676893!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.1.3; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.112.25] Received: (qmail 13302 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2009 21:38:32 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp3.sbc.com (HELO tlph064.enaf.dadc.sbc.com) (144.160.112.25) by server-15.tower-121.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 20 Oct 2009 21:38:32 -0000 Received: from enaf.dadc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tlph064.enaf.dadc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9KLcVWV021837 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:38:31 -0500 Received: from klpd017.kcdc.att.com (klpd017.kcdc.att.com [135.188.40.86]) by tlph064.enaf.dadc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9KLcQog021693 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:38:27 -0500 Received: from kcdc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by klpd017.kcdc.att.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9KLcQMB008755 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:38:26 -0500 Received: from maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by klpd017.kcdc.att.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9KLcKeO008699 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:38:20 -0500 Received: from [135.70.218.171] (vpn-135-70-218-171.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.218.171]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20091020213818gw1006v7r9e> (Authid: tony); Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:38:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.218.171] Message-ID: <4ADE2DC8.8050607@att.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:38:16 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <4AD86856.1020508@dial.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4AD86856.1020508@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] de-authenticate? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:38:26 -0000 Henrik, given that there are issues with the various Logout mechanisms, could there be a Logout link that goes to a page explaining the various techniques and their issues/shortcomings? For example, the page could include a link to https://logout@wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/09/input ** with an explanation of the consequences of using it. Tony Hansen tony@att.com ** yes, I intentionally changed "dummy" to "logout". Elwyn Davies wrote: > Samuel Weiler wrote: >> Aside from messing with cookies on my end, is there a trivial way to >> deauthenticate from the tools site(s)? I suggest adding such a link >> to most pages, PARTICULARLY the NomCom pages. (I was asked for NomCom >> feedback at one address, but I'm typically authenticated to the tools >> site from a different address, and I'm having challenges swithcing >> between my identities. >> -- Sam > I had more or less the same problem... Henrik sent me this 'hack' as a > workaround. >> BTW it would also be useful to have a means to logout from a session - >> > once logged in with the 'wrong' email address, there is no way to > >> relogin with the 'right' email address apart from clearing the session >> > with browser capabilities. >> >> Yes. One of the woes of using http auth. Why couldn't whoever specified >> that have provided a logout mechanism? (Oh, wait, that was maybe us...) >> And why haven't the browser manufacturers provide the ability to drop an >> ID? >> >> You can always achieve the effect of logging out by appending a dummy >> user ID to the URL, to make the browser drop the current ID: >> >> https://dummy@wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/09/input >> >> but that's a hack. > On Mozilla Firefox you can also de-authenticate by using the 'clear > recent history'/details/active logins option from tools menu (in the > recent 3.5.3 release .. the menu option is different for older versions > - it is buried in the 'options' tabs). > > Regards, > Elwyn > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Oct 21 07:31:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE213A6950 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:31:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ey9oOiBPyaBd for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2373A677D for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se ([77.72.226.124]:58999) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0cEM-0004s8-9F; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:32:02 +0200 Message-ID: <4ADF1B61.3090805@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:32:01 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen References: <4AD86856.1020508@dial.pipex.com> <4ADE2DC8.8050607@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4ADE2DC8.8050607@att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 77.72.226.124 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tony@att.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] de-authenticate? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:31:57 -0000 Hi Tony, On 2009-10-20 23:38 Tony Hansen said the following: > Henrik, given that there are issues with the various Logout mechanisms, > could there be a Logout link that goes to a page explaining the various > techniques and their issues/shortcomings? For example, the page could > include a link to > https://logout@wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/09/input ** with an > explanation of the consequences of using it. Done, try http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/09/logout-info > Tony Hansen > tony@att.com > > ** yes, I intentionally changed "dummy" to "logout". I did exactly the same change when I implemented this earlier for test purposes :-) Best, Henrik > Elwyn Davies wrote: >> Samuel Weiler wrote: >>> Aside from messing with cookies on my end, is there a trivial way to >>> deauthenticate from the tools site(s)? I suggest adding such a link >>> to most pages, PARTICULARLY the NomCom pages. (I was asked for NomCom >>> feedback at one address, but I'm typically authenticated to the tools >>> site from a different address, and I'm having challenges swithcing >>> between my identities. >>> -- Sam >> I had more or less the same problem... Henrik sent me this 'hack' as a >> workaround. >>> BTW it would also be useful to have a means to logout from a session - >>>> once logged in with the 'wrong' email address, there is no way to > >>> relogin with the 'right' email address apart from clearing the session >>>> with browser capabilities. >>> >>> Yes. One of the woes of using http auth. Why couldn't whoever specified >>> that have provided a logout mechanism? (Oh, wait, that was maybe us...) >>> And why haven't the browser manufacturers provide the ability to drop an >>> ID? >>> >>> You can always achieve the effect of logging out by appending a dummy >>> user ID to the URL, to make the browser drop the current ID: >>> >>> https://dummy@wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/09/input >>> >>> but that's a hack. >> On Mozilla Firefox you can also de-authenticate by using the 'clear >> recent history'/details/active logins option from tools menu (in the >> recent 3.5.3 release .. the menu option is different for older versions >> - it is buried in the 'options' tabs). >> >> Regards, >> Elwyn >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From tony@att.com Wed Oct 21 07:38:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6E13A687C for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:38:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.351 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.351 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.248, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fkxzl23aCPve for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D1E3A677D for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:38:54 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1256135942!49294449!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.1.3; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.112.25] Received: (qmail 13212 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2009 14:39:03 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp3.sbc.com (HELO tlph064.enaf.dadc.sbc.com) (144.160.112.25) by server-12.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 21 Oct 2009 14:39:03 -0000 Received: from enaf.dadc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tlph064.enaf.dadc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9LEd168016931 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:39:02 -0500 Received: from klpd017.kcdc.att.com (klpd017.kcdc.att.com [135.188.40.86]) by tlph064.enaf.dadc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9LEcxKV016720 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:38:59 -0500 Received: from kcdc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by klpd017.kcdc.att.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9LEcxWx020008 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:38:59 -0500 Received: from maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by klpd017.kcdc.att.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9LEcsKH019965 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:38:55 -0500 Received: from [135.70.218.171] (vpn-135-70-218-171.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.218.171]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20091021143852gw1006v7tie> (Authid: tony); Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:38:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.218.171] Message-ID: <4ADF1CFA.80605@att.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:38:50 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <4AD86856.1020508@dial.pipex.com> <4ADE2DC8.8050607@att.com> <4ADF1B61.3090805@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4ADF1B61.3090805@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] de-authenticate? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:38:55 -0000 Looks nice. Thanks! You might consider adding Elwyn's information on using "clear recent history". Tony Hansen tony@att.com Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Tony, > > On 2009-10-20 23:38 Tony Hansen said the following: >> Henrik, given that there are issues with the various Logout mechanisms, >> could there be a Logout link that goes to a page explaining the various >> techniques and their issues/shortcomings? For example, the page could >> include a link to >> https://logout@wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/09/input ** with an >> explanation of the consequences of using it. > > Done, try http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/09/logout-info > >> Tony Hansen >> tony@att.com >> >> ** yes, I intentionally changed "dummy" to "logout". > > I did exactly the same change when I implemented this earlier for test > purposes :-) > > > Best, > > Henrik > >> Elwyn Davies wrote: >>> Samuel Weiler wrote: >>>> Aside from messing with cookies on my end, is there a trivial way to >>>> deauthenticate from the tools site(s)? I suggest adding such a link >>>> to most pages, PARTICULARLY the NomCom pages. (I was asked for NomCom >>>> feedback at one address, but I'm typically authenticated to the tools >>>> site from a different address, and I'm having challenges swithcing >>>> between my identities. >>>> -- Sam >>> I had more or less the same problem... Henrik sent me this 'hack' as a >>> workaround. >>>> BTW it would also be useful to have a means to logout from a session - >>>>> once logged in with the 'wrong' email address, there is no way to > >>>> relogin with the 'right' email address apart from clearing the session >>>>> with browser capabilities. >>>> >>>> Yes. One of the woes of using http auth. Why couldn't whoever specified >>>> that have provided a logout mechanism? (Oh, wait, that was maybe us...) >>>> And why haven't the browser manufacturers provide the ability to drop an >>>> ID? >>>> >>>> You can always achieve the effect of logging out by appending a dummy >>>> user ID to the URL, to make the browser drop the current ID: >>>> >>>> https://dummy@wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/09/input >>>> >>>> but that's a hack. >>> On Mozilla Firefox you can also de-authenticate by using the 'clear >>> recent history'/details/active logins option from tools menu (in the >>> recent 3.5.3 release .. the menu option is different for older versions >>> - it is buried in the 'options' tabs). >>> >>> Regards, >>> Elwyn >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Oct 21 08:21:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51F43A6862 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:21:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oiFfT0pFuntS for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E3A3A67FB for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se ([77.72.226.124]:59291) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0d0a-0002Oo-4h; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:21:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4ADF270F.6010008@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:21:51 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen References: <4AD86856.1020508@dial.pipex.com> <4ADE2DC8.8050607@att.com> <4ADF1B61.3090805@levkowetz.com> <4ADF1CFA.80605@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4ADF1CFA.80605@att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 77.72.226.124 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tony@att.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] de-authenticate? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:21:46 -0000 Hi Tony, On 2009-10-21 16:38 Tony Hansen said the following: > Looks nice. Thanks! > > You might consider adding Elwyn's information on using "clear recent > history". Done. Thanks! Best, Henrik > Tony Hansen > tony@att.com > > Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Hi Tony, >> >> On 2009-10-20 23:38 Tony Hansen said the following: >>> Henrik, given that there are issues with the various Logout mechanisms, >>> could there be a Logout link that goes to a page explaining the various >>> techniques and their issues/shortcomings? For example, the page could >>> include a link to >>> https://logout@wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/09/input ** with an >>> explanation of the consequences of using it. >> Done, try http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/09/logout-info >> >>> Tony Hansen >>> tony@att.com >>> >>> ** yes, I intentionally changed "dummy" to "logout". >> I did exactly the same change when I implemented this earlier for test >> purposes :-) >> >> >> Best, >> >> Henrik >> >>> Elwyn Davies wrote: >>>> Samuel Weiler wrote: >>>>> Aside from messing with cookies on my end, is there a trivial way to >>>>> deauthenticate from the tools site(s)? I suggest adding such a link >>>>> to most pages, PARTICULARLY the NomCom pages. (I was asked for NomCom >>>>> feedback at one address, but I'm typically authenticated to the tools >>>>> site from a different address, and I'm having challenges swithcing >>>>> between my identities. >>>>> -- Sam >>>> I had more or less the same problem... Henrik sent me this 'hack' as a >>>> workaround. >>>>> BTW it would also be useful to have a means to logout from a session - >>>>>> once logged in with the 'wrong' email address, there is no way to > >>>>> relogin with the 'right' email address apart from clearing the session >>>>>> with browser capabilities. >>>>> >>>>> Yes. One of the woes of using http auth. Why couldn't whoever specified >>>>> that have provided a logout mechanism? (Oh, wait, that was maybe us...) >>>>> And why haven't the browser manufacturers provide the ability to drop an >>>>> ID? >>>>> >>>>> You can always achieve the effect of logging out by appending a dummy >>>>> user ID to the URL, to make the browser drop the current ID: >>>>> >>>>> https://dummy@wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/09/input >>>>> >>>>> but that's a hack. >>>> On Mozilla Firefox you can also de-authenticate by using the 'clear >>>> recent history'/details/active logins option from tools menu (in the >>>> recent 3.5.3 release .. the menu option is different for older versions >>>> - it is buried in the 'options' tabs). >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Elwyn >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>>>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Wed Oct 21 19:46:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2543A6954 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:46:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wXlPSStY9kPN for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f204.google.com (mail-pz0-f204.google.com [209.85.222.204]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AC23A68C2 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk42 with SMTP id 42so6097891pzk.31 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:46:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=V3P6TV8/jB7F2NrX5exGcsP+u6eZJAppbyvNGCoFE3o=; b=v/eJnxp+r3JjW6NGsV4VK7Me431eHkZ9uypzo1LNdaWkJS1XTrfO4wOljGfdWt0exX H7V8cHB198GFdm2iBkFy2txtm1g6hxEzhWJAL16KWWesYH6tlqitzPg6fr7jOjnE03la v+U/WTKZGslJIZM+c+CqgmSsEk5ns/h6yoiwI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xw0nPPJIDL2d4PMv+MzNS6R4CyBt4UxtsGVmrfxGaz1YwHCqGDkx9w3rkx5hsxtSmP ND3/032m3nl1sCHWEtx6QEHsF11i2EnOviOR/NA7zPy/OSkv6W1BG2GqEjOKTiiYWLNi JHT0sshPuHj3wIT/ImmxdTTrLIquBTHmk9/04= Received: by 10.115.100.14 with SMTP id c14mr13521445wam.219.1256179575501; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?130.216.38.124? (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm999079pzk.6.2009.10.21.19.46.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ADFC75A.5040209@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:45:46 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-50.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:46:09 -0000 So, half way to the interesting case of someone trying to submit a -100.txt draft. How many tools will that break, I wonder? Brian From patrik@frobbit.se Wed Oct 21 22:43:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281AF3A6A27 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:43:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OpoBMWlyqG+d for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv01.frobbit.se (srv01.frobbit.se [85.30.129.39]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24773A6A20 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE017D248DE; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:43:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at frobbit.se Received: from srv01.frobbit.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv01.frobbit.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id inzLDRoZ8HKn; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:43:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.165.72.14] (unknown [192.165.72.14]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7177D248D6; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:43:32 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= In-Reply-To: <4ADFC75A.5040209@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:43:32 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <4ADFC75A.5040209@gmail.com> To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-50.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:43:26 -0000 On 22 okt 2009, at 04.45, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > So, half way to the interesting case of someone trying to submit > a -100.txt draft. How many tools will that break, I wonder? I had a draft with more than 800 pages (I think) out of which 780 was one table of the Unicode Character set. I thought it broke xml2rfc, but it did not. It only took Very Long Time to generate the draft itself (I even reported a bug to Marshall, but he had more patience than me). I never posted it, due to risk of creating damage (and who want such a draft), but I am happy to resubmit if someone want me to ;-) Patrik From cabo@tzi.org Thu Oct 22 00:11:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFFE3A6807 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:11:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id arEOFG7ES264 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9:209:3dff:fe00:7136]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32FB3A67D1 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:11:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9M7BiCf016740; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:11:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.101] (p5489E7A1.dip.t-dialin.net [84.137.231.161]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF360BC93; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:11:43 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <4ADFC75A.5040209@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:11:42 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <744FD33F-3C35-45E1-A9E6-5A20A363B280@tzi.org> References: <4ADFC75A.5040209@gmail.com> To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-50.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:11:44 -0000 Like this: draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol1-00.txt Look, Ma, no tool is broken :-) (We already have a "replaces" functionality for the basename, IIRC.) Gruesse, Carsten From Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Thu Oct 22 00:13:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F1028C0DB for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:13:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.592 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.592 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tAp+ft5RFnPO for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107003A68A8 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id n9M7DdLD013318; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:13:56 -0500 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:13:42 +0300 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.8]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:13:38 +0300 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.86]) by nok-am1mhub-04.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.8]) with mapi; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:13:37 +0200 From: To: , Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:13:36 +0200 Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-50.txt] Thread-Index: AcpSweoUzm9QgkhqSM28/hIhbYA66AAIyPjA Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB773C09B0B0FE@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <4ADFC75A.5040209@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ADFC75A.5040209@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2009 07:13:38.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D1E1670:01CA52E7] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-50.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:13:50 -0000 Brian E Carpenter wrote: > So, half way to the interesting case of someone trying to submit > a -100.txt draft. How many tools will that break, I wonder? It looks like the ID submission tool does check that revision=20 is <=3D 99. And the database field for this has type 'CHAR(2)' anyway :-) (However, I think there are places that would break if someone=20 managed to submit -99; so the check should be "<=3D 98"). Best regards, Pasi From lars.eggert@nokia.com Thu Oct 22 00:18:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFA03A6859 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:18:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.583 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.583 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bODtnGq2xE7q for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (mail.fit.nokia.com [195.148.124.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209593A67D4 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:708:40:fff2:225:ff:fe45:eccf] (lars.local [IPv6:2001:708:40:fff2:225:ff:fe45:eccf] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9M7I5b3079290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:18:05 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-33-863295084; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB773C09B0B0FE@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:18:05 +0300 Message-Id: <5D2D9F62-56CA-40BF-84A4-51B285D8F377@nokia.com> References: <4ADFC75A.5040209@gmail.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB773C09B0B0FE@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> To: "Eronen Pasi (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (mail.fit.nokia.com [IPv6:2001:708:40:fff1::1]); Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:18:06 +0300 (EEST) Cc: "brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com" , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-50.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:18:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail-33-863295084 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes On 2009-10-22, at 10:13, Eronen Pasi (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki) wrote: > And the database field for this has type 'CHAR(2)' anyway :-) Right, isn't the number really in hex, and we've just been skipping some values for readability all this time? :-) Lars --Apple-Mail-33-863295084 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGbDCCAyUw ggKOoAMCAQICEAdjk36sXKbnVn15S0/qUp0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA5MDYxNTExMjYxNFoXDTEwMDYxNTExMjYx NFowXDEPMA0GA1UEBBMGRWdnZXJ0MQ0wCwYDVQQqEwRMYXJzMRQwEgYDVQQDEwtMYXJzIEVnZ2Vy dDEkMCIGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYVbGFycy5lZ2dlcnRAbm9raWEuY29tMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEF AAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEA7mR8A+Pn0/FsUkMX6Pyjw+FL3IFcJk8GaKV5VJ40TMI0Wh8oq20cqA9X uqnVDW9WztKwH+o+msJenLwWpprbpJm4TImYGbnUJxYyN8gb81aiX1Bw2xCpJ5z3H2+8DsReJLuY Rdl4bVvaIxLIL4odmfsRwzPyNkOK8LRtfl6OPcaDOlFWzbikULfIVGGu7BqK4lxQSpYwwpZkOMOB 6nnBSfUOtBEmqO+qZG/nL/JxWFV5vxQgg4XHbsMMTxFf6+ji18BD09BUIfDLTuJoCzFmQhrM9vLT VuRhHWSL20LoafGjXv6mPt3i9IGJHpVb2dMQUgOgRyWHTKiUJVU/rUTdWwIDAQABo14wXDAqBgUr ZQEEAQQhMB8CAQAwGjAYAgEEBBNMMnVNeWZmQk5VYk5KSmNkWjJzMCAGA1UdEQQZMBeBFWxhcnMu ZWdnZXJ0QG5va2lhLmNvbTAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBADUx+67n98wt I1vydB90HeSZP4Y64VCxxb0NxGGFvfc2+JdVKeHJ/xT+l+ygYKsWNwJJprkPi4WZ5G0crkq4VK1H 5drEJIztpSPVfWI05vPidaaGuuuCR+6MvJMtOTEYEvc/6eovBnkrzRf9x5x5EyuJXAWTeuBADg80 QI3vQ1tZMIIDPzCCAqigAwIBAgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTAT BgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUg Q29uc3VsdGluZzEoMCYGA1UECxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIG A1UEAxMbVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25h bC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0aGF3dGUuY29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoXDTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVowYjEL MAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNV BAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUA A4GNADCBiQKBgQDEpjxVc1X7TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU5VAK MNcCY1osiRVwjt3J8CuFWqo/cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTXp6a7 n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+nttE8YQRAHmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8CAQAw QwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4oDagNIYyaHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29tL1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFsRnJl ZW1haWxDQS5jcmwwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAcMRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2YXRl TGFiZWwyLTEzODANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oLLswNo2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aUnX9M Ibj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0HFAgk3A8/a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsAxRoLgnSeJVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5jowg T2Vfldr394fWxghOrvbqNOUQGls1TXfjViF4gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/XV9lTzGCAxAwggMMAgEBMHYw YjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAq BgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhAHY5N+rFym51Z9eUtP 6lKdMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCgggFvMBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcNAQkF MQ8XDTA5MTAyMjA3MTgwNlowIwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYEFMAfadRuzmHCEhAZua032f7CmXpmMIGF BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxeDB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGlu ZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBD QQIQB2OTfqxcpudWfXlLT+pSnTCBhwYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxeKB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUw IwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVy c29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQB2OTfqxcpudWfXlLT+pSnTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEF AASCAQApv+ZSPVIbr1ICJy7D4uErt7hmUvZQOG3h8Pgrh5YrvR8EZrrW9ug4VnCps6FCn+R2V1bP MIoVEZ7OnXwG93NbVj1kX3svvd35goIrKjSmy3Ahr4CpF4n7NetcBzdOAmTNoE5L9BGnzNgG+/Kq B2r2QDG1cQHcM0/cM/NoHdbro25O8evTWsDkQFNT0CpO94VMXsnRhrZbBUoZ4dVI+XTMJ7qKddQH nyKRYVhB+mQtdC+QPUjN6jls9/imPYVfOq1DFG5OZLTlNZCNbPbiKqBOLPp+zYwbxcrqqWVeRxHL 2sY8nleGJiGOMB9r2DVWI7ReCh63rtIhMCOA5AALLL7SAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-33-863295084-- From spencer@wonderhamster.org Thu Oct 22 04:33:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2232B28C12E for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:33:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.223 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.223 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.484, BAYES_20=-0.74, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jYH7rzhkyl9l for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796E128C122 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MN27U-1N7Yhn2kQa-0074ga; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:33:59 -0400 Message-ID: <4CFEEAE415874CC2ACE4D95FCB5771EF@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: , , References: <4ADFC75A.5040209@gmail.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB773C09B0B0FE@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:33:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/+Sf8lAxwILatm9NvOjumvZGGJirui4qdRzQX G5pnNYejq+cfrbH6svn8KhRiFPgeS8+YetdW6LD6OBlu0EASJs QozMaNRnF0/4HJwjDt66XZB5Yb7win/zNSktKmrASg= Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd:I-D Action:draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-50.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:33:55 -0000 I'm thinking that we should NOT fix the tools to accommodate three-digit draft numbers, because if this happens even once, there are things that are more broken than the tools... bernard pointed me to the excellent web page http://www.arkko.com/tools/lifecycle/extremes.html a couple of days ago. Words fail me. Spencer >> So, half way to the interesting case of someone trying to submit >> a -100.txt draft. How many tools will that break, I wonder? > > It looks like the ID submission tool does check that revision > is <= 99. And the database field for this has type 'CHAR(2)' anyway :-) > > (However, I think there are places that would break if someone > managed to submit -99; so the check should be "<= 98"). 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([121.98.142.15]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm647840pxi.7.2009.10.25.13.04.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AE4AF43.7090500@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:04:19 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] WG-chairs alias lifetime? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:04:16 -0000 I'm curious, do the WG-chairs@tools.ietf.org addresses persist indefinitely after the WG is closed? I've just hit an instance where (a) the WG has been formally closed before all its drafts were approved (b) one of the WG chairs has recently changed email address (c) the WG-chairs@tools.ietf.org alias still exists, but with an obsolete email address for one of the chairs. It occurs to me that if these aliases exist for ever, they will end up valueless because the addresses will rot. Regards Brian Carpenter > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:23:24 -0700 > From: Mail Delivery System > To: brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > greg.daley@eng.monash.edu.au > (generated from dna-chairs@tools.ietf.org) > SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:: > host mx.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.11.147]: 550 5.7.1 : > Recipient address rejected: Mailbox does not exist From spencer@wonderhamster.org Tue Oct 27 10:13:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C15D28C0EB for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:13:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.541 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.541 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.357, BAYES_40=-0.185, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S5qSKeGzn5Zi for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3AF3A6A4F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from S73602b (w173.z064002096.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.2.96.173]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lij1p-1MUarZ112L-00dUPV; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:13:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "Tools Team Discussion" References: <4AE4AF43.7090500@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:13:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18yx9/OLJB8+w17NriVDcSXhL0Y1KA7mZUbKBY fPggE+ZY4A3UmkV/DuYI+LkpaLtH1JEtIusoHm0CrDZ9YjwJQB SB62yeauykNGW4gieSazN+ExV2SC+4E5zFzSA1A+kc= Subject: [Tools-discuss] Incredibly minor enhancement request X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:13:47 -0000 The next time someone is bundling changes for xml2rfc ... xml2rfc generates the label "Email:", and the RFC editor changes these to "EMail:" with capitalized "M". I'm scanning for diffs in a soon-to-appear RFC in AUTH48, and I'm thinking the fewer automatically-generated text strings that the RFC editor is going to change, the better. Thanks, Spencer From julian.reschke@gmx.de Tue Oct 27 10:23:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EEE28C0F4 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:23:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.774 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.774 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.175, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dMoHJ31T7Dwx for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5849D3A6A5F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Oct 2009 17:23:34 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.117]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp061) with SMTP; 27 Oct 2009 18:23:34 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19yrnFg7dVyJiM0eW+0XEVOLhyQWGMylgbkBs3dW/ eUIdxcLpkVcHGE Message-ID: <4AE72C8F.30406@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:23:27 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins References: <4AE4AF43.7090500@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.67 Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Incredibly minor enhancement request X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:23:22 -0000 Spencer Dawkins wrote: > The next time someone is bundling changes for xml2rfc ... > > xml2rfc generates the label "Email:", and the RFC editor changes these > to "EMail:" with capitalized "M". > > I'm scanning for diffs in a soon-to-appear RFC in AUTH48, and I'm > thinking the fewer automatically-generated text strings that the RFC > editor is going to change, the better. > ... should do that. BR, Julian From spencer@wonderhamster.org Tue Oct 27 10:36:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E1C3A685D for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:36:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.73 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.73 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.869, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zflBNaB5lcy0 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B44A3A67F3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from S73602b (w173.z064002096.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.2.96.173]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Mdb08-1MqoMB3GLU-00PnIN; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:36:31 -0400 Message-ID: <61C90FBB49C74181BDD98B44F0E62307@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "Julian Reschke" References: <4AE4AF43.7090500@gmail.com> <4AE72C8F.30406@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:36:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18hz4G+SkLrolZAYIM3jJ7RFOuIKVsBmZP4Rb6 1hnR5dY0Lr+yV5E+GMgLk724JgbY8yDeI0DauSJGvvCvVmM5bF y5dzRkx8KQGdwWvTt560GkB1cXYZSoteXzRDGS3ixg= Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Incredibly minor enhancement request X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:36:24 -0000 Ah - thank you! I should have known about this one... Spencer > Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> The next time someone is bundling changes for xml2rfc ... >> >> xml2rfc generates the label "Email:", and the RFC editor changes these >> to "EMail:" with capitalized "M". >> >> I'm scanning for diffs in a soon-to-appear RFC in AUTH48, and I'm >> thinking the fewer automatically-generated text strings that the RFC >> editor is going to change, the better. >> ... > > > > should do that. > > BR, Julian From richard.barnes@gmail.com Tue Oct 27 12:38:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6E728C12F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:38:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kUZtMB+U4fSC for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com (mail-bw0-f219.google.com [209.85.218.219]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4ED28C112 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so82844bwz.28 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:38:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SIGj7leZ8SVyfdwG6FEX4eiTXQHCtpnYF27QdXQbGZk=; b=UzispxOH0thOIR7mMEYBZLKugYdGmDeKANnZLmeELdlI6IU7M6mxluTEpm6ulbCBbz O8Qn7mZvfb6x5vUR1ey1++VpyOciHn6liMiw2pr9tHw6Qw/w+14oikJDafU5esSHGPee HqWJQv/XCU4/WaprPgiPsV9vQ2iE0hV9dkO9A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=TeBQU/nKuV8o8MeDKlz6SwqMHX8DwG/mWaxl8R7qh6hUqDiyJ6J+uDJx28nfRAYN7o vYDC0oOijOlFdAxrDjkO6fTySxev/IIiyknvv2KGqkOGQxpQHxHRUsf64LzSq+E882I1 kKKKRgMd2o9m7cCuK+rTHYNmfH76UHfCM0WYU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.150 with SMTP id o22mr1449116bkw.154.1256672317949; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:38:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AE72C8F.30406@gmx.de> References: <4AE4AF43.7090500@gmail.com> <4AE72C8F.30406@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:38:37 +0200 Message-ID: <88ac5c710910271238p6ff3121do70e57be87bb18df@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Barnes To: Julian Reschke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Incredibly minor enhancement request X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:38:28 -0000 Is there a reason that that is an option and not the default? On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> >> The next time someone is bundling changes for xml2rfc ... >> >> xml2rfc generates the label "Email:", and the RFC editor changes these to >> "EMail:" with capitalized "M". >> >> I'm scanning for diffs in a soon-to-appear RFC in AUTH48, and I'm thinking >> the fewer automatically-generated text strings that the RFC editor is going >> to change, the better. >> ... > > > > should do that. > > BR, Julian > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From mnot@mnot.net Tue Oct 27 22:09:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449FB3A69F7 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:09:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.15 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.15 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.551, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bf6JX8H5UdeL for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0367B3A69E9 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chancetrain-lm.mnot.net (unknown [118.209.5.85]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 17DB8509DD; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes From: Mark Nottingham X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:09:08 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <64F593B8-92CC-4286-9311-1042F00BA7D1@mnot.net> References: <4AE4AF43.7090500@gmail.com> To: Spencer Dawkins X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Incredibly minor enhancement request X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:09:03 -0000 Hmm. My understanding is that most style guides* recommend "e-mail." IIRC this is because there at one point was an Australian appliance manufacturer called Email and there is concern about confusion (or even trademark issues, although I think that's a bit more tenuous). Just as we'd like publishers to follow our technical standards, I'd submit that we'd do best to bow to theirs, unless we have a compelling reason not to. Cheers, * e.g., the Economist's . Unfortunately, I no longer have a copy of the AP style guide handy. On 28/10/2009, at 4:13 AM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > The next time someone is bundling changes for xml2rfc ... > > xml2rfc generates the label "Email:", and the RFC editor changes > these to "EMail:" with capitalized "M". > > I'm scanning for diffs in a soon-to-appear RFC in AUTH48, and I'm > thinking the fewer automatically-generated text strings that the RFC > editor is going to change, the better. > > Thanks, > > Spencer > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp Fri Oct 30 02:25:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1203A6891 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:25:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.434 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.434 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.224, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wAaVqoroHH0G for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scmailgw01.scop.aoyama.ac.jp (scmailgw01.scop.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.251.41]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7593A67A7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scmse02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scmse02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.159]) by scmailgw01.scop.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id n9U9Q0ts029529 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:26:00 +0900 Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 6af0_3c6f90b0_c536_11de_996c_001d096c5782; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:26:00 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.1]:48657) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:22:30 +0900 Message-ID: <4AEAB112.8050005@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:25:38 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090108 Eudora/3.0b1pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Randy Presuhn , Mark Davis , "Phillips, Addison" , Alexey Melnikov Subject: [Tools-discuss] BCP 47 not updated? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:25:56 -0000 http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 contains RFC 4646, when it should be RFC 5646 (see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5646). I know it's a very special case (one BCP consisting of two RFCs), but it would still be very nice if it were updated. Thanks and regards, Martin. (LTRU co-chair) -- #-# Martin J. Dürst, Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University #-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Fri Oct 30 11:59:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440E03A67D6 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:59:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rP44GZ6u1oq1 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2973A6767 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so2701179fgg.13 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:59:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UIdQomu+1zBQHB2uVZVQWH44lP1Nu6xq17Rhb433J4A=; b=nZb5OmkaDivkgjvHthoFGD7pmacNZh46BIWL91Qb3rL+eIpWGQU4NwImYkVLrWH0jJ lOPY/ONltkTmHRg5dlBLIUAf3OG1bphHhYGZmRuQaVdJOqnKgN9WBcb1beYI2mUomJ9v ORhbgRyhvLhorNYI7tr1QPpRKYsW02l8W62SU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=oroDsdojRhOXi40XerVRqus4zdQqX1WG5jhXM6pq/7a/SZQv1UaaybJa/ewToX23nM 14Y9V3n1NCwdci04U8PatrSGsaINbO6QLid1AtMZONzRZEvANd54jTXbOxpqEhUYhfeu tAE//teN5+8B0HsjUs8WHa4maYlw2+W3TKe4U= Received: by 10.87.64.9 with SMTP id r9mr1310872fgk.2.1256929190036; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.4? ([121.98.142.15]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm919182fgb.7.2009.10.30.11.59.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AEB379A.3050407@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:59:38 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= References: <4AEAB112.8050005@it.aoyama.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: <4AEAB112.8050005@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Randy Presuhn , Mark Davis , "Phillips, Addison" , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Alexey Melnikov Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] BCP 47 not updated? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:59:37 -0000 On my screen today it contains 4647 followed by 5646, which is correct and matches the RFC Editor site (http://www.rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt) Regards Brian Carpenter On 2009-10-30 22:25, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wrote: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 contains RFC 4646, when it should be > RFC 5646 (see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5646). I know it's a very > special case (one BCP consisting of two RFCs), but it would still be > very nice if it were updated. >=20 > Thanks and regards, Martin. (LTRU co-chair) From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Fri Oct 30 15:07:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D73B3A6995 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:07:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.574 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.574 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.024, BAYES_00=-2.599, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H3ul26h9EKUw for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f183.google.com (mail-yw0-f183.google.com [209.85.211.183]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402523A681F for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywh13 with SMTP id 13so3548500ywh.29 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:07:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=91pI8Pvy/t2gWEw5Cy2nd8+RjA5Imsnotn2DcCwSdlg=; b=iXNEuStzDiA3koOQZxWwdU3PvfPMhfuHEAD/cAFKkWREBosZeqHg8sHVnazBeevyOi La5cyukc+QwVR4EI3WbypimoKAy9ZZrTNX5zSeC2yoSWc5lWPfZwrY1eN1b5k5gI0WNo YXsPFHwYtCs690MaoL5Va10gdLV8sKPy3m2qw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Cu7qYvHM16nA3ErNofFY6Qif+02LC56A5zLL224zKlJwd2gzWCRyPczx+GgMhoRoNM WqwPdTROgNahKY+bzqMSBVq+UyM8LDolULORlagALd66Vv5QEhn1qZSRJU3Sljfb6p1n c68wSKoxeIFiB2ABGa5ga2XCLh0F3vKbpu0SQ= Received: by 10.150.34.3 with SMTP id h3mr4039230ybh.178.1256940449377; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.4? ([121.98.142.15]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm1229556ywh.47.2009.10.30.15.07.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AEB639C.4040804@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:07:24 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Phillips, Addison" References: <4AEAB112.8050005@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <4AEB379A.3050407@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Randy Presuhn , Mark Davis , =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" , Alexey Melnikov Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] BCP 47 not updated? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:07:23 -0000 It's updated on the tools server at http://[2001:1890:1112:1:214:22ff:fe1f:1e54]/html/bcp47 Maybe you are seeing a cached copy? I also see it updated on 208.66.40.242 and 64.170.98.42 The third A record is 194.146.105.14, and that one 404's on http://194.146.105.14/html/bcp47, looks like a faulty redirect. Regards Brian Carpenter On 2009-10-31 08:12, Phillips, Addison wrote: > The RFC Editor has it correctly, but the tools page (the link Martin se= nt, which is the text marked up with HTML links and such, at http://tools= =2Eietf.org/html/bcp47 ) is not updated. >=20 > Addison >=20 > Addison Phillips > Globalization Architect -- Lab126 >=20 > Internationalization is not a feature. > It is an architecture. >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 12:00 PM >> To: "Martin J. D=C3=BCrst" >> Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org; Randy Presuhn; Mark Davis; Phillips, >> Addison; Alexey Melnikov >> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] BCP 47 not updated? >> >> On my screen today it contains 4647 followed by 5646, which is >> correct and matches the RFC Editor site >> (http://www.rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt) >> >> Regards >> Brian Carpenter >> >> On 2009-10-30 22:25, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wrote: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 contains RFC 4646, when it >> should be >>> RFC 5646 (see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5646). I know it's a >> very >>> special case (one BCP consisting of two RFCs), but it would still >> be >>> very nice if it were updated. >>> >>> Thanks and regards, Martin. (LTRU co-chair) >=20 From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Fri Oct 30 17:15:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112C23A687F for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:15:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.577 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JTM4kaeHbidj for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f171.google.com (mail-px0-f171.google.com [209.85.216.171]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BBC3A681D for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pxi1 with SMTP id 1so2339529pxi.32 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:15:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Dlo8mKmUcBoZ5YPBsdAPXhZy+yj6X2xLnLMHScorLew=; b=gREfn6UXV6WG+M/Oqq9VKF3xXrpbPJENy1mxwfG9kepeJNMgJz27VqLXL4fK2BgWcC PFKa+ksIdFtm3roRXgOEr8VBYAYWWvAvf2BimmTsDyqQHKAJTc9+DVnY8R0Xe5Y0enw5 qRnsnNkNsFaUA13DjRli2i+C8PkateGqRtHZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=c3xrArnDl10tWMjggGrSWqPyydZzb5sxU6gLHdO+Wd2GQ3QDKMzM2tZK1ATvJObtC9 hp9JoiYJyrOStavEayNiZNZbjmYJNHNMOuJIR/oQFV0cH6l+y94sHsOKgCTq6548xzDx XGvNpyjuZKdsOimeYcSmMJH0hK+YSy2QThev8= Received: by 10.114.253.24 with SMTP id a24mr1644582wai.201.1256948117004; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.4? ([121.98.142.15]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm181494pzk.5.2009.10.30.17.15.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AEB818F.4030205@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:15:11 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Davis References: <4AEAB112.8050005@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <4AEB379A.3050407@gmail.com> <4AEB639C.4040804@gmail.com> <30b660a20910301532pf1f94b1t1d3114af9919686c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <30b660a20910301532pf1f94b1t1d3114af9919686c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" , =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7w=?=, "Phillips, Addison" , Randy Presuhn , Alexey Melnikov , =?UTF-8?B?cnN0Ig==?= Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] BCP 47 not updated? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:15:04 -0000 Hi Mark, I assume you mean requests to the RFC Editor, since that's where the concatentation originates. I assume that their procedure just concatenates the files in numerical order. I suspect that this will have to wait now until the RFC publication service has been migrated over to the new contractor, in a few months. I doubt that ISI will be touching their procedures again. Regards Brian Carpenter On 2009-10-31 11:32, Mark Davis =E2=98=95 wrote: > For me, both http://www.rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt and > http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 show the same contents, and both corre= ctly > include 5646 and 4647. >=20 > However, and they both *still* show the RFCs in the wrong order: 5646 i= s far > and away the most important one, and is necessary for understanding 464= 7, > but 4647 comes first in BCP 47. Despite requests, that still hasn't cha= nged. >=20 > Mark >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 15:07, Brian E Carpenter < > brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: >=20 >> It's updated on the tools server at >> http://[2001:1890:1112:1:214:22ff:fe1f:1e54]/html/bcp47 >> >> Maybe you are seeing a cached copy? >> >> I also see it updated on 208.66.40.242 and 64.170.98.42 >> >> The third A record is 194.146.105.14, and that one 404's >> on http://194.146.105.14/html/bcp47, looks like a faulty redirect. >> >> Regards >> Brian Carpenter >> >> On 2009-10-31 08:12, Phillips, Addison wrote: >>> The RFC Editor has it correctly, but the tools page (the link Martin >> sent, which is the text marked up with HTML links and such, at >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 ) is not updated. >>> Addison >>> >>> Addison Phillips >>> Globalization Architect -- Lab126 >>> >>> Internationalization is not a feature. >>> It is an architecture. >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 12:00 PM >>>> To: "Martin J. D=C3=BCrst" >>>> Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org; Randy Presuhn; Mark Davis; Phillips, >>>> Addison; Alexey Melnikov >>>> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] BCP 47 not updated? >>>> >>>> On my screen today it contains 4647 followed by 5646, which is >>>> correct and matches the RFC Editor site >>>> (http://www.rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt) >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Brian Carpenter >>>> >>>> On 2009-10-30 22:25, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wrote: >>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 contains RFC 4646, when it >>>> should be >>>>> RFC 5646 (see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5646). I know it's a >>>> very >>>>> special case (one BCP consisting of two RFCs), but it would still >>>> be >>>>> very nice if it were updated. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks and regards, Martin. (LTRU co-chair) >> >=20 From mark.edward.davis@gmail.com Fri Oct 30 15:32:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296D13A69A0 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:32:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.026 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.026 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.350, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kRjtfGrzRqZL for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f192.google.com (mail-yx0-f192.google.com [209.85.210.192]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8BF3A6977 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxe30 with SMTP id 30so3581660yxe.29 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:32:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=DTmnsBl4KRGv5NjGZyt2oHkYG1adefsMJfHSHymKiHU=; b=F7D6eR7xL9hQDwSk0HST+dTlxexEStL/9iLVakuZabc0LfCe19tk80tE2SanjowUW9 KpOAnBqZZGudk39SOsLdzjZM4m/yzeJptBO0rtWBNVnIoFsOeOHrfRyK51QRUAFa0Uta ge8xnQeSqcwZg/4LZhEM1SZQb6jNtYRGCArdo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=DsyGg5Yb+tnp+YTDI39ViHYsmb0UrOtPAQdYWGbYlYb70xg/xjbpZibKCe4IzODqLF GN1ZKqF5h0XCb9V4vJ4+RaZzppvDyDaT3NMl6w+7fRbQDapjIL+y51dPkweB5CLUQpXi ChF+cel49aQEkBb5/oeBeBZSNHm2mUTq4NMBI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: mark.edward.davis@gmail.com Received: by 10.100.80.11 with SMTP id d11mr2356200anb.155.1256941963879; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:32:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AEB639C.4040804@gmail.com> References: <4AEAB112.8050005@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <4AEB379A.3050407@gmail.com> <4AEB639C.4040804@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:32:43 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 900e267f4ee4518b Message-ID: <30b660a20910301532pf1f94b1t1d3114af9919686c@mail.gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?TWFyayBEYXZpcyDimJU=?= To: Brian E Carpenter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504501704242a5e604772e9bf4 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:32:02 -0700 Cc: Randy Presuhn , Alexey Melnikov , =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_J=2E_D=C3=BCrst?= , "Phillips, Addison" , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] BCP 47 not updated? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:32:33 -0000 --00504501704242a5e604772e9bf4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For me, both http://www.rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt and http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 show the same contents, and both correctly include 5646 and 4647. However, and they both *still* show the RFCs in the wrong order: 5646 is fa= r and away the most important one, and is necessary for understanding 4647, but 4647 comes first in BCP 47. Despite requests, that still hasn't changed= . Mark On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 15:07, Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > It's updated on the tools server at > http://[2001:1890:1112:1:214:22ff:fe1f:1e54]/html/bcp47 > > Maybe you are seeing a cached copy? > > I also see it updated on 208.66.40.242 and 64.170.98.42 > > The third A record is 194.146.105.14, and that one 404's > on http://194.146.105.14/html/bcp47, looks like a faulty redirect. > > Regards > Brian Carpenter > > On 2009-10-31 08:12, Phillips, Addison wrote: > > The RFC Editor has it correctly, but the tools page (the link Martin > sent, which is the text marked up with HTML links and such, at > http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 ) is not updated. > > > > Addison > > > > Addison Phillips > > Globalization Architect -- Lab126 > > > > Internationalization is not a feature. > > It is an architecture. > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 12:00 PM > >> To: "Martin J. D=C3=BCrst" > >> Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org; Randy Presuhn; Mark Davis; Phillips, > >> Addison; Alexey Melnikov > >> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] BCP 47 not updated? > >> > >> On my screen today it contains 4647 followed by 5646, which is > >> correct and matches the RFC Editor site > >> (http://www.rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt) > >> > >> Regards > >> Brian Carpenter > >> > >> On 2009-10-30 22:25, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wrote: > >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 contains RFC 4646, when it > >> should be > >>> RFC 5646 (see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5646). I know it's a > >> very > >>> special case (one BCP consisting of two RFCs), but it would still > >> be > >>> very nice if it were updated. > >>> > >>> Thanks and regards, Martin. (LTRU co-chair) > > > > --00504501704242a5e604772e9bf4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For me, both http://www= .rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt and http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 show the same contents, and bo= th correctly include 5646 and 4647.

However, and they both *still* show the RFCs in the wrong order: 5646 i= s far and away the most important one, and is necessary for understanding 4= 647, but 4647 comes first in BCP 47. Despite requests, that still hasn'= t changed.

Mark


On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 15:07, Brian E C= arpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
It's updated on the tools server at
http://[2001:1890:1112:1:214:22ff:fe1f:1e54]/html/bcp47

Maybe you are seeing a cached copy?

I also see it updated on 208.66.40.242 and 64.170.98.42

The third A record is 194.146.105.14, and that one 404's
on http://19= 4.146.105.14/html/bcp47, looks like a faulty redirect.

Regards
=C2=A0 Brian Carpenter

On 2009-10-31 08:12, Phillips, Addison wrote:
> The RFC Editor has it correctly, but the tools page (the link Martin s= ent, which is the text marked up with HTML links and such, at http://tools.ietf.org/htm= l/bcp47 ) is not updated.
>
> Addison
>
> Addison Phillips
> Globalization Architect -- Lab126
>
> Internationalization is not a feature.
> It is an architecture.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 12:00 PM
>> To: "Martin J. D=C3=BCrst"
>> Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.o= rg; Randy Presuhn; Mark Davis; Phillips,
>> Addison; Alexey Melnikov
>> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] BCP 47 not updated?
>>
>> On my screen today it contains 4647 followed by 5646, which is
>> correct and matches the RFC Editor site
>> (http://www.rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt)
>>
>> Regards
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Brian Carpenter
>>
>> On 2009-10-30 22:25, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wrote:
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 contains RFC 4646, when it
>> should be
>>> RFC 5646 (see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5646). I know it's a=
>> very
>>> special case (one BCP consisting of two RFCs), but it would st= ill
>> be
>>> very nice if it were updated.
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards, =C2=A0 =C2=A0Martin. (LTRU co-chair)
>


--00504501704242a5e604772e9bf4-- From mark.edward.davis@gmail.com Fri Oct 30 20:39:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFAA3A67F5 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:39:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.234, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0cMvVt8V9XTd for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f228.google.com (mail-gx0-f228.google.com [209.85.217.228]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BFC3A67C0 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so48220gxk.9 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:39:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=Q0GY6c3XpoAD7XvGKpz+DvTMgc5WkoZyV3sHltzxB+w=; b=HO9yFyI7Q+xAY+Dtphn8nyFUEXEGw3lfs79XNYxhRuaLpbZpLof8WuAIvZMmM9o58U OSL7jgQe+COK3AMpHVIC4n+AJcG9T0IaQK7RX16aoeeMoNFkG79WFM9W0f56cciCWLwv c0JyAU3QyRjG93T3ZcDJjRBF7IkubC4nuimUI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=qa46MJ2N2SuNoOHUrKv9s7T9cPlqer9mb1h3wZiY+DchHZ+ae9Jft2hi2yVWyEe8ui jM7dRNk9r3QXbjHCaXUNG5OtnG2RAh0p1pxPWZXcRVzkzgog/ze2NRai/TsIZGz8v4bn qU5/344TUJHApnpFAAb/m1nvc2SHMHMYsZFjo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: mark.edward.davis@gmail.com Received: by 10.100.231.3 with SMTP id d3mr2372181anh.148.1256960393549; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:39:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AEB818F.4030205@gmail.com> References: <4AEAB112.8050005@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <4AEB379A.3050407@gmail.com> <4AEB639C.4040804@gmail.com> <30b660a20910301532pf1f94b1t1d3114af9919686c@mail.gmail.com> <4AEB818F.4030205@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:39:53 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dad8f62ed5f40311 Message-ID: <30b660a20910302039u4fcf489fk9cc893c898dd1d6b@mail.gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?TWFyayBEYXZpcyDimJU=?= To: Brian E Carpenter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016368e1facc117f2047732e5fa X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:32:02 -0700 Cc: Randy Presuhn , Alexey Melnikov , =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_J=2E_D=C3=BCrst?= , "Phillips, Addison" , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] BCP 47 not updated? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:39:40 -0000 --0016368e1facc117f2047732e5fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks; glad to hear there is a reason behind it. Mark On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 17:15, Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I assume you mean requests to the RFC Editor, since that's > where the concatentation originates. I assume that their procedure > just concatenates the files in numerical order. > > I suspect that this will have to wait now until the RFC publication > service has been migrated over to the new contractor, in a few > months. I doubt that ISI will be touching their procedures again. > > Regards > Brian Carpenter > > On 2009-10-31 11:32, Mark Davis =E2=98=95 wrote: > > For me, both http://www.rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt and > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 show the same contents, and both > correctly > > include 5646 and 4647. > > > > However, and they both *still* show the RFCs in the wrong order: 5646 i= s > far > > and away the most important one, and is necessary for understanding 464= 7, > > but 4647 comes first in BCP 47. Despite requests, that still hasn't > changed. > > > > Mark > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 15:07, Brian E Carpenter < > > brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> It's updated on the tools server at > >> http://[2001:1890:1112:1:214:22ff:fe1f:1e54]/html/bcp47 > >> > >> Maybe you are seeing a cached copy? > >> > >> I also see it updated on 208.66.40.242 and 64.170.98.42 > >> > >> The third A record is 194.146.105.14, and that one 404's > >> on http://194.146.105.14/html/bcp47, looks like a faulty redirect. > >> > >> Regards > >> Brian Carpenter > >> > >> On 2009-10-31 08:12, Phillips, Addison wrote: > >>> The RFC Editor has it correctly, but the tools page (the link Martin > >> sent, which is the text marked up with HTML links and such, at > >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 ) is not updated. > >>> Addison > >>> > >>> Addison Phillips > >>> Globalization Architect -- Lab126 > >>> > >>> Internationalization is not a feature. > >>> It is an architecture. > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com] > >>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 12:00 PM > >>>> To: "Martin J. D=C3=BCrst" > >>>> Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org; Randy Presuhn; Mark Davis; Phillips, > >>>> Addison; Alexey Melnikov > >>>> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] BCP 47 not updated? > >>>> > >>>> On my screen today it contains 4647 followed by 5646, which is > >>>> correct and matches the RFC Editor site > >>>> (http://www.rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt) > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> Brian Carpenter > >>>> > >>>> On 2009-10-30 22:25, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wrote: > >>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 contains RFC 4646, when it > >>>> should be > >>>>> RFC 5646 (see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5646). I know it's a > >>>> very > >>>>> special case (one BCP consisting of two RFCs), but it would still > >>>> be > >>>>> very nice if it were updated. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks and regards, Martin. (LTRU co-chair) > >> > > > > --0016368e1facc117f2047732e5fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks; glad to hear there is a reason behind it.

Mark=


On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 17:15, Brian E C= arpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Mark,

I assume you mean requests to the RFC Editor, since that's
where the concatentation originates. I assume that their procedure
just concatenates the files in numerical order.

I suspect that this will have to wait now until the RFC publication
service has been migrated over to the new contractor, in a few
months. I doubt that ISI will be touching their procedures again.

Regards
=C2=A0 Brian Carpenter

On 2009-10-31 11:32, Mark Davis =E2=98=95 wrote:
> For me, both http://www.rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt and
> http://= tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 show the same contents, and both correctly > include 5646 and 4647.
>
> However, and they both *still* show the RFCs in the wrong order: 5646 = is far
> and away the most important one, and is necessary for understanding 46= 47,
> but 4647 comes first in BCP 47. Despite requests, that still hasn'= t changed.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 15:07, Brian E Carpenter <
> brian.e.carpenter@gmail= .com> wrote:
>
>> It's updated on the tools server at
>> http://[2001:1890:1112:1:214:22ff:fe1f:1e54]/html/bcp47
>>
>> Maybe you are seeing a cached copy?
>>
>> I also see it updated on 208.66.40.242 and 64.170.98.42
>>
>> The third A record is 194.146.105.14, and that one 404's
>> on = http://194.146.105.14/html/bcp47, looks like a faulty redirect.
>>
>> Regards
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Brian Carpenter
>>
>> On 2009-10-31 08:12, Phillips, Addison wrote:
>>> The RFC Editor has it correctly, but the tools page (the link = Martin
>> sent, which is the text marked up with HTML links and such, at
>> htt= p://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 ) is not updated.
>>> Addison
>>>
>>> Addison Phillips
>>> Globalization Architect -- Lab126
>>>
>>> Internationalization is not a feature.
>>> It is an architecture.
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 12:00 PM
>>>> To: "Martin J. D=C3=BCrst"
>>>> Cc: tools-discus= s@ietf.org; Randy Presuhn; Mark Davis; Phillips,
>>>> Addison; Alexey Melnikov
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] BCP 47 not updated?
>>>>
>>>> On my screen today it contains 4647 followed by 5646, whic= h is
>>>> correct and matches the RFC Editor site
>>>> (http://www.rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt)
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Brian Carpenter
>>>>
>>>> On 2009-10-30 22:25, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wrote:
>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47 contains RFC 4646, when it >>>> should be
>>>>> RFC 5646 (see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5646). I know it= 's a
>>>> very
>>>>> special case (one BCP consisting of two RFCs), but it = would still
>>>> be
>>>>> very nice if it were updated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and regards, =C2=A0 =C2=A0Martin. (LTRU co-chai= r)
>>
>


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