From Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com Fri Jan 8 17:10:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF0C3A690B for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:10:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.863 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.863 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.402, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id znvIFqECBG+V for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from outbound-mail-16.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-16.bluehost.com [69.89.20.231]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E92A3A6908 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24767 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2010 01:10:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box514.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.114) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2010 01:10:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kingsmountain.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Identified-User; b=ypiZaP7D0HKvmevMGe4oYXS0Y+mlrmlskWkErKF1DB2Sg/knZU9Gz731Q7t73Sbnpc3NeDUjPMjvO6s/r9UICWFbOeEE8mPIdUdRGOTSXivq6k1Bo10dX2KYhSnGcNDq; Received: from outbound4.ebay.com ([216.113.168.128] helo=[10.244.48.240]) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTPqW-0006G6-WC; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:10:29 -0700 Message-ID: <4B47D78F.40700@KingsMountain.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:10:39 -0800 From: =JeffH User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14ubu (X11/20080306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools List , ext Ian Chakeres Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {11025:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:smtp auth 216.113.168.128 authed with jeff.hodges+kingsmountain.com} Subject: [Tools-discuss] rfc2xml ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 01:10:33 -0000 So I gave rfc2xml a try on rfc4949 (whose source file is in a .doc/nroff hybrid, so it'd be nice to have an xml-based version for various reasons), but rfc2xml simply exits after outputting up through section 2.5. anyway, has anyone done any further work on a text-rfc-2-xml2rfc-source-file converter ? thanks, =JeffH -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] txt to xml? Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:54:08 -0400 From: Lars Eggert To: ext Robert Moskowitz CC: This may be of interest: Begin forwarded message: > From: "ext Ian Chakeres" > Date: March 27, 2008 13:12:02 GMT+02:00 > To: tools-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: [Tools-discuss] rfc2xml alpha > > I recently got around to making something that takes RFC/I-D formatted > text and creates xml; with the help of Chris Newman. It is called > rfc2xml and it is available at > http://sourceforge.net/projects/rfc2xml/ > > It only creates the middle part of the I-D, and it doesn't do anything > fancy. But it does appear to get pretty good mileage. > > I'd love it if interested IETF tools people could contribute and > ensure it is stable. > > Please let me know how it works for you, > > Ian Chakeres From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Fri Jan 15 09:33:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3663A67DB for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:33:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.951 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.951 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.095, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z-mOCX3pVZFP for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680E73A63D3 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [75.101.18.87] (sn87.proper.com [75.101.18.87]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o0FHXcU1025343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:33:37 -0800 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Tools-discuss] Trac password tool broken? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:33:46 -0000 Greetings again. I don't remember my Trac login password, and I want to use a different browser. I tried getting a copy of my password sent to me, but it never arrived. I tried to get the password from , twice, but never got it. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Jan 18 07:34:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3E73A6818 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:34:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VVMkaH3fgktL for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716DC3A6A1B for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:65278 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NWtcX-0002it-6L; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:34:25 +0100 Message-ID: <4B547F80.2050603@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:34:24 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: paul.hoffman@vpnc.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Trac password tool broken? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:34:32 -0000 Hi Paul, On 2010-01-15 18:33 Paul Hoffman said the following: > Greetings again. I don't remember my Trac login password, and I want > to use a different browser. I tried getting a copy of my password > sent to me, but it never arrived. I tried to get the password from > , twice, but > never got it. Hmm. I see 4 failed attempts to send to your address yesterday, followed by one successful attempt today. The error for the 4 first is reported by exim as 'syntax error in "control=dkim_disable_verify"' -- I believe this is an internal error rather than some problem with any dkim info you may have for your address, but I don't quite see how this error could have come and disappeared again without any exim config changes being done on the server. The exim documentation isn't terribly informative about the correct usage of this statement, either. Would you try to get a new password again, to see if the problem really was transient, before I try to poke the config file, given the insufficient documentation? Best regards, Henrik From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Mon Jan 18 08:05:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1170E3A6886 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:05:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.963 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.963 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wrQ+0v6s5zAh for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:05:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385BB3A680A for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:05:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.20.30.158] (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o0IG5fZO077300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:05:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4B547F80.2050603@levkowetz.com> References: <4B547F80.2050603@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:05:29 -0800 To: Henrik Levkowetz From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Trac password tool broken? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:05:49 -0000 At 4:34 PM +0100 1/18/10, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >Hi Paul, > >On 2010-01-15 18:33 Paul Hoffman said the following: >> Greetings again. I don't remember my Trac login password, and I want >> to use a different browser. I tried getting a copy of my password >> sent to me, but it never arrived. I tried to get the password from >> , twice, but >> never got it. > >Hmm. I see 4 failed attempts to send to your address yesterday, followed >by one successful attempt today. I do *not* see a successful attempt in either my retry for my paul.hoffman@vpnc.org address or my try for a new password at paul.hoffman@gmail.com address. >Would you try to get a new password again, to >see if the problem really was transient, before I try to poke the config >file, given the insufficient documentation? I have just retried both now, and both messages got sent. I have certainly not changed any mail settings on my mail server, and I doubt Google has either. "Transient"... --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Jan 19 06:11:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA0D3A67F0 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:11:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mXzjizww1hi1 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A53628C0D8 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:50537 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NXEnD-00086q-Gh; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:10:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4B55BD68.7070303@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:10:48 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: <4B547F80.2050603@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: paul.hoffman@vpnc.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Trac password tool broken? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:11:13 -0000 Hi Paul, On 2010-01-18 17:05 Paul Hoffman said the following: > At 4:34 PM +0100 1/18/10, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: ... >> Would you try to get a new password again, to >> see if the problem really was transient, before I try to poke the config >> file, given the insufficient documentation? > > I have just retried both now, and both messages got sent. I have certainly > not changed any mail settings on my mail server, and I doubt Google has > either. "Transient"... I'm afraid it's my 'fault'. A little while after I sent you the earlier mail, I'd managed to find out enough about the switch in question that I could go in and comment it out. That it works as it should now confirms that. THanks. Best, Henrik From wierbows@us.ibm.com Thu Jan 14 07:24:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C723A68DD for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:24:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CEQTmC1rgVDC for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:24:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com (e3.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.143]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFCB3A6782 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:24:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from d01relay01.pok.ibm.com (d01relay01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.233]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.14.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0EFEI9g020972 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:14:18 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by d01relay01.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id o0EFOEDJ090800 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:24:14 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.14.3/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id o0EFODch015778 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:24:14 -0200 Received: from d01ml084.pok.ibm.com (d01ml084.pok.ibm.com [9.63.10.23]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.14.3/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id o0EFODKF015766 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:24:13 -0200 X-KeepSent: 413A09E2:CBDFE6EC-852576AB:00542AB2; type=4; name=$KeepSent To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.0.2FP1 SHF149 July 17, 2009 Message-ID: From: David Wierbowski Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:24:12 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML084/01/M/IBM(Release 8.0.2FP1|November 13, 2008) at 01/14/2010 10:24:13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:14:31 -0800 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Loginmgr-0.18 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:24:24 -0000 I tried to create/reset my password last night and this morning. Both times I got the following message, "An email with password-creation information has been sent to wierbows@us.ibm.com." Both times I did not get an email. Any suggestions? Dave Wierbowski z/OS Comm Server Developer Phone: Tie line: 620-4055 External: 607-429-4055 From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Jan 19 07:49:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC673A6A1C for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:49:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mEg5QzAQLXOv for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F33A3A694A for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:51082 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NXGKN-0004yR-9w; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:49:11 +0100 Message-ID: <4B55D476.7090506@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:49:10 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Wierbowski References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: wierbows@us.ibm.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Loginmgr-0.18 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:49:19 -0000 Hi David, On 2010-01-14 16:24 David Wierbowski said the following: > > I tried to create/reset my password last night and this morning. Both > times I got the following message, "An email with password-creation > information has been sent to wierbows@us.ibm.com." Both times I did not > get an email. Any suggestions? Yes; the problem was caused by a problem with the exim config for locally generated emails; it's been fixed meanwhile, and you should be able to simply try again, and it should work. Best, Henrik From Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Tue Jan 26 11:18:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04883A6807 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:18:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.704, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pBmuMYy9EuyF for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:18:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx06.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646483A67FC for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:18:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o0QJI9aI007723 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:18:09 +0200 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:18:09 +0200 Received: from vaebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.22]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:18:04 +0200 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.8]) by vaebh101.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:17:57 +0200 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.86]) by nok-am1mhub-04.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.8]) with mapi; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:17:56 +0100 From: To: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:17:55 +0100 Thread-Topic: Datatracker improvements for testing Thread-Index: AcqevEM9i8stLkQ9QUy2uJreWzpkkQ== Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2010 19:17:57.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[44C100A0:01CA9EBC] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:18:02 -0000 Hi everyone, I'd like to invite everyone on the tools-discuss list to test the upcoming datatracker improvements that Russ referred to recently: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg06907.html Two starting points: o The new search page (try searching for "nsis" for a good overview of new features): http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ This page will eventually replace at least three separate search interfaces in the current datatracker: /idtracker/, /drafts/, and the IESG tracker search page.=20 o New per-draft page: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-csi-sndp-prob/ Here the goal is again to simplify the system, and replace at=20 least three separate per-draft pages (one under /idtracker/, another under /drafts/, and third in the IESG tracker) with one page that shows all the information previously found on those separate pages (and has "edit" buttons if you're logged in=20 as area director). As Russ noted, this code is developed by volunteers, so please send bug reports, enhancement ideas, and other comments to this list, not the IETF secretariat. (Note that if you have used this interface earlier, it might be necessary to click "Reload" to clear old data from the cache.) Best regards, Pasi From adam@nostrum.com Tue Jan 26 11:38:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A813A68AD for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:38:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1kEWt8bANOwS for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:38:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E68E3A67FC for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:38:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from hydra-3.local (ppp-70-249-147-216.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [70.249.147.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0QJcwB1040238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:38:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4B5F44D2.6060805@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:38:58 -0600 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 70.249.147.216 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:38:52 -0000 This is great stuff. These improvements will make life much easier for participants, authors, and chairs. /a On 1/26/10 13:17, Jan 26, Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'd like to invite everyone on the tools-discuss list to test the > upcoming datatracker improvements that Russ referred to recently: > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg06907.html > > Two starting points: > > o The new search page (try searching for "nsis" for a good overview > of new features): > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ > > This page will eventually replace at least three separate search > interfaces in the current datatracker: /idtracker/, /drafts/, and > the IESG tracker search page. > > o New per-draft page: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-csi-sndp-prob/ > > Here the goal is again to simplify the system, and replace at > least three separate per-draft pages (one under /idtracker/, > another under /drafts/, and third in the IESG tracker) with one > page that shows all the information previously found on those > separate pages (and has "edit" buttons if you're logged in > as area director). > > As Russ noted, this code is developed by volunteers, so please send > bug reports, enhancement ideas, and other comments to this list, not > the IETF secretariat. > > (Note that if you have used this interface earlier, it might be > necessary to click "Reload" to clear old data from the cache.) > > Best regards, > Pasi > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From adam@nostrum.com Tue Jan 26 13:53:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC9F3A6830 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:53:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sVVsA3izmpW9 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:53:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4453A6407 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from hydra-3.local (ppp-70-249-147-216.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [70.249.147.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0QLrq9f050340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:53:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4B5F6470.3030109@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:53:52 -0600 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 70.249.147.216 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: [Tools-discuss] More i-d tool strange behavior X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:53:44 -0000 This is really odd. If you look at any of versions -00 through -05 of draft-roach-sip-http-subscribe, it looks very much like the most recent version of the document is -05: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-roach-sip-http-subscribe-05 However, there is actually a -06, which does not show up in the versions list of any of the previous versions. This has been out there since mid-December, so I would expect any process responsible for picking up the change should have run by now. /a From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Jan 27 00:26:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD3A3A6891 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:26:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9zk40agyJb+O for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657A93A6808 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from 84-72-144-4.dclient.hispeed.ch ([84.72.144.4]:52942 helo=chardonnay.local) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Na3EY-0006JN-40; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:26:42 +0100 Message-ID: <4B5FF8BB.3090608@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:26:35 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Roach References: <4B5F6470.3030109@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <4B5F6470.3030109@nostrum.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 84.72.144.4 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: adam@nostrum.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] More i-d tool strange behavior X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:26:35 -0000 Hi Adam, On 2010-01-26 22:53 Adam Roach said the following: > This is really odd. If you look at any of versions -00 through -05 of > draft-roach-sip-http-subscribe, it looks very much like the most recent > version of the document is -05: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-roach-sip-http-subscribe-05 > > However, there is actually a -06, which does not show up in the versions > list of any of the previous versions. This has been out there since > mid-December, so I would expect any process responsible for picking up > the change should have run by now. Yes. The html files have been fixed, I'm going to check the process which is supposed to kick the update when a new version comes out. Best, Henrik From spencer@wonderhamster.org Wed Jan 27 09:20:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9253A6862 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:20:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.254 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.254 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.344, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SGwZZSxk+rj8 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDC83A6ACE for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M8lzI-1NUeiF0xoa-00CF9q; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:19:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:19:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+FyuTg1wnMEn4nUnCbCBJKv/2qlPRm+ye0yQX qJsRgftx1ngm4hHibhR/FNwZgox3YafkflLxMDKpiWgtgaqqv9 m4iVm58NB+Y7cME54HBVKLzF++HqUnRjQ/jEzZEtPw= Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:20:15 -0000 Hi, Pasi, Simplification is good... I noticed a couple of things. - the draft display that's being used (for example, http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-csi-sndp-prob/) doesn't include the helpful links at the top of the page like http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mediactrl-mrb-02 - to previous versions, to nits, to e-mail addresses for notifications. It also doesn't have active hyperlinks. Between these omissions, I'd still be going over to the tools version of this page almost every time. - is it possible to lace the draft information and RFC information (for the same draft) a little more tightly? I had clicked on an RFC, which still shows tabs for IESG Evaluation Record and IESG Writeup, but these only work for the corresponding draft version that became the RFC. Yeah, you could tell me that my question is malformed, but I wanted to ask. You didn't ask for the following kind of input, but - now that I'm seeing drafts and RFCs more closely linked on the same page, I'm wondering about showing the history of IESG Evaluation Records for RFCs - for example, I was looking at one RFC where I can still see the comment (for the corresponding draft) "I agree with Cullen's DISCUSS" - but since Cullen's DISCUSS was cleared (or it wouldn't have been an RFC), this is a dangling pointer. That did make me wonder about adding a link for the full history (which does show this type of information) - as a WG chair, I'd like to be able to look at what got addressed. Thanks, Spencer > Hi everyone, > > I'd like to invite everyone on the tools-discuss list to test the > upcoming datatracker improvements that Russ referred to recently: > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg06907.html > > Two starting points: > > o The new search page (try searching for "nsis" for a good overview > of new features): > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ > > This page will eventually replace at least three separate search > interfaces in the current datatracker: /idtracker/, /drafts/, and > the IESG tracker search page. > > o New per-draft page: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-csi-sndp-prob/ > > Here the goal is again to simplify the system, and replace at > least three separate per-draft pages (one under /idtracker/, > another under /drafts/, and third in the IESG tracker) with one > page that shows all the information previously found on those > separate pages (and has "edit" buttons if you're logged in > as area director). > > As Russ noted, this code is developed by volunteers, so please send > bug reports, enhancement ideas, and other comments to this list, not > the IETF secretariat. > > (Note that if you have used this interface earlier, it might be > necessary to click "Reload" to clear old data from the cache.) > > Best regards, > Pasi > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Thu Jan 28 00:40:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707B63A69FE for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:40:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.156 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.156 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.443, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tVEwwdIyrnKu for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FF83A63D3 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:40:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o0S8ddYo008196; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:40:18 +0200 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:40:01 +0200 Received: from vaebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.22]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:40:01 +0200 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.6]) by vaebh101.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:39:56 +0200 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.86]) by nok-am1mhub-02.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.6]) with mapi; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:39:55 +0100 From: To: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:39:53 +0100 Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing Thread-Index: AcqfdQr57WcJKINTT7+vPoMBlFPE4QAe2+PA Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7758411DE576@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2010 08:39:56.0783 (UTC) FILETIME=[78508FF0:01CA9FF5] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:40:17 -0000 Thanks for your comments, Spencer! More in-line: Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Hi, Pasi, >=20 > Simplification is good... >=20 > I noticed a couple of things. >=20 > - the draft display that's being used (for example, > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-csi-sndp-prob/) doesn't > include the helpful links at the top of the page like > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mediactrl-mrb-02 - to previous > versions, to nits, to e-mail addresses for notifications. It also > doesn't have active hyperlinks. Between these omissions, I'd still > be going over to the tools version of this page almost every time. The nits link is there ("Check nits" inside the box containing state information), and previous versions/diffs are under the "History" tab. Earlier version of this interface also had the email link, but that was so rarely used that it was removed... (but adding it back would be easy, of course). For the draft text, the goal is to move to using Henrik's "rfcmarkup" code eventually (which would get us the hyperlinks), but this requires Henrik to publish a version under the BSD license (he said over a year ago that he would be willing to do this, but has been awfully busy since...:-) > - is it possible to lace the draft information and RFC information > (for the same draft) a little more tightly? I had clicked on an RFC, > which still shows tabs for IESG Evaluation Record and IESG Writeup, > but these only work for the corresponding draft version that became > the RFC. Yeah, you could tell me that my question is malformed, but > I wanted to ask. A good question, and I'm not sure what exactly the answer should be. As you noted, the "IESG Evaluation Record" and "IESG Writeup" tabs are usually disabled for RFCs, but they are relevant when the RFC is progressed to e.g. Draft Standard without a new internet-draft. See, for example: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3848/ In this case, the document has had two separate IESG evaluation records and writeups: one when the internet-draft was approved, and one when the RFC was moved to Draft. And it has two state entries in the database: the internet-draft would be in "RFC Published" state, but the RFC could be e.g. "In Last Call". The current datatracker shows these completely separately, too: http://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/rfc3848/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/draft-newman-esmtpsa/ I guess merging the information somehow would make sense -- however, I'm not quite sure exactly what the result should look like... (One problem here is that the tracker database has awfully sketchy information in some places. For example, the "rfcs" table does not even contain all RFCs, and the status information (informational/etc.) is often wrong. To solve that, I had to add a cron job that downloads rfc-index.xml from the RFC editor daily; there's a similar script that downloads the RFC editor queue states. And the database has basically no information about old versions of internet-drafts (even when they were published), so that's downloaded from the tools servers. So the code for merging often incomplete/incorrect information from different places is already quite complex... I hope the database redesign will eventually solve some of these problems, but that's some time in the future.) > You didn't ask for the following kind of input, but - now that I'm > seeing drafts and RFCs more closely linked on the same page, I'm > wondering about showing the history of IESG Evaluation Records for > RFCs - for example, I was looking at one RFC where I can still see > the comment (for the corresponding draft) "I agree with Cullen's > DISCUSS" - but since Cullen's DISCUSS was cleared (or it wouldn't > have been an RFC), this is a dangling pointer. Were these DISCUSSes/COMMENTs for the internet-draft, or after the RFC was already out (and was considered e.g. for Draft Standard)? > That did make me wonder about adding a link for the full history > (which does show this type of information) - as a WG chair, I'd like > to be able to look at what got addressed. Good idea; including a link to the internet-draft's history=20 in the RFC's history tab would be easy (much easier than merging the information). Best regards, Pasi From spencer@wonderhamster.org Thu Jan 28 07:55:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBE93A6A65 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:55:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.283 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.283 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.315, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VpRhe1APqWQN for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00563A694A for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M3iMD-1NrmTq1O1h-00rCLn; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:55:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7758411DE576@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:55:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+prDY48Z7+xnh7SaxYAdyD205250yr4+2y+Sx 6F/FD1r5OcCmNHQ+diaNhfjzStqwyCpUeEnFdMLjGG32YhOA4r aBm4kxQyZ7FL0jgn6Vo3hSW8GobWt31CvnBgvVES7w= Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:55:13 -0000 Hi, Pasi, Thanks for the quick feedback! Re: mailing addresses for the draft - I bet there aren't many people who do use this - but as a Gen-ART reviewer, I find it invaluable. Without it, I have to figure out who the authors are, and THEN figure out who the chairs are, and THEN figure out who the responsible AD is, and THEN figure out who the shepherd is (because the shepherd can be "none of the above"). And there have been a bunch of times when I've omitted at least one of these groups, so (for example) chairs are surprised when ADs ask about Gen-ART review comments, etc. We have few enough reviewers that I'd encourage anything that makes being a reviewer easier! Re: hyperlinks in drafts and RFCs - I understand the BSD issue, and if I had ideas about scaling Henrik, I would have written an (IPR-laden) draft a long time ago. Until the BSD-licensed version happens, would it make sense to have a link from what appears now, to the tools version? The links really are useful. Again, as a Gen-ART reviewer, I always click on "plain text" to get a version of the draft that I can easily e-mail with comments inline - we'd get that from a link to the tools version, too. Re: merging RFC and draft information - seeing this information on one screen was like the invention of fire - I have no idea how it should be presented, because I've never thought about how you would (in your own mind) merge the two. Based on what you're saying, just adding tabs that point from the RFC to the corresponding drafts would give 80 percent of the benefit with only 20 percent of the pain. Let's go there first - link, don't merge until people have time to think about what that means, corner cases, etc. Thanks! Spencer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:39 AM Subject: RE: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing Thanks for your comments, Spencer! More in-line: Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Hi, Pasi, > > Simplification is good... > > I noticed a couple of things. > > - the draft display that's being used (for example, > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-csi-sndp-prob/) doesn't > include the helpful links at the top of the page like > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mediactrl-mrb-02 - to previous > versions, to nits, to e-mail addresses for notifications. It also > doesn't have active hyperlinks. Between these omissions, I'd still > be going over to the tools version of this page almost every time. The nits link is there ("Check nits" inside the box containing state information), and previous versions/diffs are under the "History" tab. Earlier version of this interface also had the email link, but that was so rarely used that it was removed... (but adding it back would be easy, of course). For the draft text, the goal is to move to using Henrik's "rfcmarkup" code eventually (which would get us the hyperlinks), but this requires Henrik to publish a version under the BSD license (he said over a year ago that he would be willing to do this, but has been awfully busy since...:-) > - is it possible to lace the draft information and RFC information > (for the same draft) a little more tightly? I had clicked on an RFC, > which still shows tabs for IESG Evaluation Record and IESG Writeup, > but these only work for the corresponding draft version that became > the RFC. Yeah, you could tell me that my question is malformed, but > I wanted to ask. A good question, and I'm not sure what exactly the answer should be. As you noted, the "IESG Evaluation Record" and "IESG Writeup" tabs are usually disabled for RFCs, but they are relevant when the RFC is progressed to e.g. Draft Standard without a new internet-draft. See, for example: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3848/ In this case, the document has had two separate IESG evaluation records and writeups: one when the internet-draft was approved, and one when the RFC was moved to Draft. And it has two state entries in the database: the internet-draft would be in "RFC Published" state, but the RFC could be e.g. "In Last Call". The current datatracker shows these completely separately, too: http://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/rfc3848/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/draft-newman-esmtpsa/ I guess merging the information somehow would make sense -- however, I'm not quite sure exactly what the result should look like... (One problem here is that the tracker database has awfully sketchy information in some places. For example, the "rfcs" table does not even contain all RFCs, and the status information (informational/etc.) is often wrong. To solve that, I had to add a cron job that downloads rfc-index.xml from the RFC editor daily; there's a similar script that downloads the RFC editor queue states. And the database has basically no information about old versions of internet-drafts (even when they were published), so that's downloaded from the tools servers. So the code for merging often incomplete/incorrect information from different places is already quite complex... I hope the database redesign will eventually solve some of these problems, but that's some time in the future.) > You didn't ask for the following kind of input, but - now that I'm > seeing drafts and RFCs more closely linked on the same page, I'm > wondering about showing the history of IESG Evaluation Records for > RFCs - for example, I was looking at one RFC where I can still see > the comment (for the corresponding draft) "I agree with Cullen's > DISCUSS" - but since Cullen's DISCUSS was cleared (or it wouldn't > have been an RFC), this is a dangling pointer. Were these DISCUSSes/COMMENTs for the internet-draft, or after the RFC was already out (and was considered e.g. for Draft Standard)? > That did make me wonder about adding a link for the full history > (which does show this type of information) - as a WG chair, I'd like > to be able to look at what got addressed. Good idea; including a link to the internet-draft's history in the RFC's history tab would be easy (much easier than merging the information). Best regards, Pasi From Pasi.Eronen@Nokia.com Thu Jan 28 09:27:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2723A6A9F for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:27:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.307 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.307 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.292, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ysQm-VpDjYpf for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AB53A67EC for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from vaebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh106.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.32]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o0SHS6N7012755; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:28:11 -0600 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by vaebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:28:01 +0200 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:27:56 +0200 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.86]) by nok-am1mhub-03.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) with mapi; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:27:56 +0100 From: To: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:27:55 +0100 Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing Thread-Index: AcqgMl/TJZRhlx3CQYCMGv1Cm4KH1QACnhXg Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584122731A@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7758411DE576@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2010 17:27:56.0973 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B2DEDD0:01CAA03F] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:27:56 -0000 Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Hi, Pasi, >=20 > Thanks for the quick feedback! Thank for *your* quick feedback -- it's very helpful for doing iterative improvements..:) > Re: mailing addresses for the draft - I bet there aren't many people > who do use this - but as a Gen-ART reviewer, I find it > invaluable. Without it, I have to figure out who the authors are, > and THEN figure out who the chairs are, and THEN figure out who the > responsible AD is, and THEN figure out who the shepherd is (because > the shepherd can be "none of the above"). And there have been a > bunch of times when I've omitted at least one of these groups, so > (for example) chairs are surprised when ADs ask about Gen-ART review > comments, etc. We have few enough reviewers that I'd encourage > anything that makes being a reviewer easier! I find those addresses quite useful, too (and regularly use them), but I've never used the mailto: link on tools.ietf.org HTML draft pages... And that mailto: link actually does not include the chairs, shepherd or responsible AD, so it seems it's not quite what you're looking for... > Re: hyperlinks in drafts and RFCs - I understand the BSD issue, and > if I had ideas about scaling Henrik, I would have written an > (IPR-laden) draft a long time ago. Until the BSD-licensed version > happens, would it make sense to have a link from what appears now, > to the tools version? The links really are useful. I agree; we're already linking to the tools PDF version, so linking to the HTML version, too, could be useful. Will add within couple of weeks. =20 > Again, as a Gen-ART reviewer, I always click on "plain text" to get > a version of the draft that I can easily e-mail with comments inline > - we'd get that from a link to the tools version, too. The link to "plain text" version is already there for internet-drafts (but not RFCs yet -- will be added soon). =20 > Re: merging RFC and draft information - seeing this information on > one screen was like the invention of fire - I have no idea how it > should be presented, because I've never thought about how you would > (in your own mind) merge the two. >=20 > Based on what you're saying, just adding tabs that point from the > RFC to the corresponding drafts would give 80 percent of the benefit > with only 20 percent of the pain. Let's go there first - link, don't > merge until people have time to think about what that means, corner > cases, etc. OK -- will add a link from RFCs (and its history) to the draft soon (this link is so obvious that I consider this a bug :-) Best regards, Pasi From spencer@wonderhamster.org Thu Jan 28 10:09:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD79A3A68DA for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:09:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.307 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.307 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.291, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1IGRiUZey7Xk for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113DD3A6800 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MLeY7-1Napmo2gIF-000qx9; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:09:20 -0500 Message-ID: <693D84188EB749709DCFF6201AC56828@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7758411DE576@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584122731A@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:09:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18WRua3oPowmSvTzBEeq9VYyY45GajdvMAVA4+ J97Dj+GlmYl961WXSJCCcW+ZwY/MIjVSU7fvn+Cie2W9101+Ek J92KIgnQ1ENF60LwSnHKGmHeXYRSgAuvGPb3awrEQg= Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:09:02 -0000 Hi, Pasi, Ouch! Thanks for pointing this out to me... my bad! Spencer ----- Original Message ----- From: > Re: mailing addresses for the draft - I bet there aren't many people > who do use this - but as a Gen-ART reviewer, I find it > invaluable. Without it, I have to figure out who the authors are, > and THEN figure out who the chairs are, and THEN figure out who the > responsible AD is, and THEN figure out who the shepherd is (because > the shepherd can be "none of the above"). And there have been a > bunch of times when I've omitted at least one of these groups, so > (for example) chairs are surprised when ADs ask about Gen-ART review > comments, etc. We have few enough reviewers that I'd encourage > anything that makes being a reviewer easier! I find those addresses quite useful, too (and regularly use them), but I've never used the mailto: link on tools.ietf.org HTML draft pages... And that mailto: link actually does not include the chairs, shepherd or responsible AD, so it seems it's not quite what you're looking for... From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Jan 29 04:21:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032FE3A69F1 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:21:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zP3mTEok40bW for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B83E3A6A04 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:53427 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Napr5-0006By-HH; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:21:43 +0100 Message-ID: <4B62D2D6.1060806@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:21:42 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@Nokia.com References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7758411DE576@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584122731A@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584122731A@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: Pasi.Eronen@Nokia.com, spencer@wonderhamster.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:21:30 -0000 Hi Spencer, Pasi, Additional information on one item below: On 2010-01-28 18:27 Pasi.Eronen@Nokia.com said the following: > Spencer Dawkins wrote: .. >> Re: mailing addresses for the draft - I bet there aren't many people >> who do use this - but as a Gen-ART reviewer, I find it >> invaluable. Without it, I have to figure out who the authors are, >> and THEN figure out who the chairs are, and THEN figure out who the >> responsible AD is, and THEN figure out who the shepherd is (because >> the shepherd can be "none of the above"). And there have been a >> bunch of times when I've omitted at least one of these groups, so >> (for example) chairs are surprised when ADs ask about Gen-ART review >> comments, etc. We have few enough reviewers that I'd encourage >> anything that makes being a reviewer easier! > > I find those addresses quite useful, too (and regularly use them), but > I've never used the mailto: link on tools.ietf.org HTML draft pages... > And that mailto: link actually does not include the chairs, shepherd > or responsible AD, so it seems it's not quite what you're looking for... The draft aliases currently available on tools.ietf.org have been enhanced during last autumn, so that the following are now available: @tools.ietf.org # Draft authors (for now, could change) .authors@ # Draft authors .chairs@ # WG Chairs (if the draft is a WG draft) .notify@ # The addresses entered into the tracker's # email notification field for the draft .ad@ # The sponsoring AD, if the draft has gone # to the IESG .all@ # All of the above, merged into one alias Regards, Henrik From spencer@wonderhamster.org Fri Jan 29 04:46:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0A33A6A37 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:46:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.328 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.328 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.270, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e6D4vv2R6YKY for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:46:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B8B3A68DA for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:46:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LyEBR-1NpEQj0W61-015ShS; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:46:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "Henrik Levkowetz" , References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7758411DE576@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584122731A@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B62D2D6.1060806@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:46:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Bpqu2WwbyvSLt5h4SxK529kZ78e3vt9qZe0G GrfOqN1VJxHLDLGiEmCkZPzA8hvjHefwywR97JcoOviUZOqzEf pPlIWJhMj69hjUn9YrL5wyTwGtOj+Zkdqn4Jj/utO8= Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:46:19 -0000 Henrik, Thanks for the pointer to ".all". That's actually the most helpful one for me, and I've been using the wrong one for a while! Spencer > Hi Spencer, Pasi, > > Additional information on one item below: > > On 2010-01-28 18:27 Pasi.Eronen@Nokia.com said the following: >> Spencer Dawkins wrote: > .. >>> Re: mailing addresses for the draft - I bet there aren't many people >>> who do use this - but as a Gen-ART reviewer, I find it >>> invaluable. Without it, I have to figure out who the authors are, >>> and THEN figure out who the chairs are, and THEN figure out who the >>> responsible AD is, and THEN figure out who the shepherd is (because >>> the shepherd can be "none of the above"). And there have been a >>> bunch of times when I've omitted at least one of these groups, so >>> (for example) chairs are surprised when ADs ask about Gen-ART review >>> comments, etc. We have few enough reviewers that I'd encourage >>> anything that makes being a reviewer easier! >> >> I find those addresses quite useful, too (and regularly use them), but >> I've never used the mailto: link on tools.ietf.org HTML draft pages... >> And that mailto: link actually does not include the chairs, shepherd >> or responsible AD, so it seems it's not quite what you're looking for... > > The draft aliases currently available on tools.ietf.org have been > enhanced during last autumn, so that the following are now available: > > @tools.ietf.org # Draft authors (for now, could change) > .authors@ # Draft authors > .chairs@ # WG Chairs (if the draft is a WG draft) > .notify@ # The addresses entered into the tracker's > # email notification field for the draft > .ad@ # The sponsoring AD, if the draft has gone > # to the IESG > .all@ # All of the above, merged into one alias > > > Regards, > > Henrik From marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca Fri Jan 29 05:14:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B176A3A6782; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:14:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DjIWfCby6-uc; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D845B3A691E; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mb-en1.lan (modemcable144.164-201-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.201.164.144]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D87FA20E2A; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:15:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4B62DF54.4090909@viagenie.ca> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:15:00 -0500 From: Marc Blanchet User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7758411DE576@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584122731A@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B62D2D6.1060806@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4B62D2D6.1060806@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Working Group Chairs , Pasi.Eronen@Nokia.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:14:42 -0000 great! I have added this info in the WG chair wiki. http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/wgchairs/wiki/WikiStart (ccing wgchairs ML) Marc. Henrik Levkowetz a écrit : > Hi Spencer, Pasi, > > The draft aliases currently available on tools.ietf.org have been > enhanced during last autumn, so that the following are now available: > > @tools.ietf.org # Draft authors (for now, could change) > .authors@ # Draft authors > .chairs@ # WG Chairs (if the draft is a WG draft) > .notify@ # The addresses entered into the tracker's > # email notification field for the draft > .ad@ # The sponsoring AD, if the draft has gone > # to the IESG > .all@ # All of the above, merged into one alias > > > Regards, > > Henrik > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Jan 29 05:15:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFF93A6A6B for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:15:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DxJLSjaDWeXh for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:15:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC42F3A6A3B for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:53608 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NaqhF-00070a-2M; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:15:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4B62DF78.3010708@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:15:36 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7758411DE576@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584122731A@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B62D2D6.1060806@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: spencer@wonderhamster.org, Pasi.Eronen@Nokia.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Pasi.Eronen@Nokia.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:15:23 -0000 Hi Spencer, On 2010-01-29 13:46 Spencer Dawkins said the following: > Henrik, > > Thanks for the pointer to ".all". That's actually the most helpful one for > me, and I've been using the wrong one for a while! It has been mentioned that after some experience with the additional aliases, we might change the semantics of the 'bare draft name' alias to be the same as the .all alias, instead of as now be the same as the .authors alias. I don't know if the time to do that is now. Best, Henrik > Spencer > > >> Hi Spencer, Pasi, >> >> Additional information on one item below: >> >> On 2010-01-28 18:27 Pasi.Eronen@Nokia.com said the following: >>> Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> .. >>>> Re: mailing addresses for the draft - I bet there aren't many people >>>> who do use this - but as a Gen-ART reviewer, I find it >>>> invaluable. Without it, I have to figure out who the authors are, >>>> and THEN figure out who the chairs are, and THEN figure out who the >>>> responsible AD is, and THEN figure out who the shepherd is (because >>>> the shepherd can be "none of the above"). And there have been a >>>> bunch of times when I've omitted at least one of these groups, so >>>> (for example) chairs are surprised when ADs ask about Gen-ART review >>>> comments, etc. We have few enough reviewers that I'd encourage >>>> anything that makes being a reviewer easier! >>> >>> I find those addresses quite useful, too (and regularly use them), but >>> I've never used the mailto: link on tools.ietf.org HTML draft pages... >>> And that mailto: link actually does not include the chairs, shepherd >>> or responsible AD, so it seems it's not quite what you're looking for... >> >> The draft aliases currently available on tools.ietf.org have been >> enhanced during last autumn, so that the following are now available: >> >> @tools.ietf.org # Draft authors (for now, could change) >> .authors@ # Draft authors >> .chairs@ # WG Chairs (if the draft is a WG draft) >> .notify@ # The addresses entered into the tracker's >> # email notification field for the draft >> .ad@ # The sponsoring AD, if the draft has gone >> # to the IESG >> .all@ # All of the above, merged into one alias >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Henrik > > From spencer@wonderhamster.org Fri Jan 29 05:55:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0A23A6A02 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:55:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.388 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.388 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.210, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YZ4629ctX4kU for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AD03A6849 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M9sRs-1NUDUb2ql6-00B8td; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:55:37 -0500 Message-ID: <9EA4B0DF754B411B864A7DEA9C8A8D64@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "Henrik Levkowetz" References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7758411DE576@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584122731A@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B62D2D6.1060806@levkowetz.com> <4B62DF78.3010708@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:55:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/K99hqnXK5ePUFOQ9lhUCbLGLYMEq8jB61OmU HWzYkURj2e88iF1h4a5A/ttWy3tObizcFqJQSwHC6NHejEDWWQ YRP1rFx0UsCqxRGajnI/pd5T0g4gi6cPg3tclN6TQA= Cc: Pasi.Eronen@Nokia.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:55:16 -0000 Hi, Henrik, > It has been mentioned that after some experience with the additional > aliases, > we might change the semantics of the 'bare draft name' alias to be the > same > as the .all alias, instead of as now be the same as the .authors alias. > > I don't know if the time to do that is now. > > Best, > > Henrik If the ADs can survive that (could they get MORE e-mail? hardly seems possible), I would find that helpful as a WG chair, and more helpful as a Gen-ART reviewer. Speaking only from my own experience, I tend to know who the lead authors are in my own working groups, and tend to forget about other authors. I tend to know who chairs are in my area, and (if it's ever mattered to me) I tend to know who the responsible AD is. I don't tend to know who shepherds are, and once I move outside RAI, I usually have to scrape e-mail addresses from various places for authors, chairs, ADs and shepherds, because I don't know who they are, and typically don't already have their e-mail addresses in my address book. Thanks! Spencer From tony@att.com Fri Jan 29 08:12:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F88628C15F for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:12:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bGAtuZ9trHqg for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:12:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail121.messagelabs.com (mail121.messagelabs.com [216.82.242.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73B33A6A0D for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:12:23 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-121.messagelabs.com!1264781564!30942355!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.4; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.146] Received: (qmail 9050 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2010 16:12:44 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp7.sbc.com (HELO mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.146) by server-14.tower-121.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 29 Jan 2010 16:12:44 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0TGCbZ0002265 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:12:37 -0500 Received: from klpd017.kcdc.att.com (klpd017.kcdc.att.com [135.188.40.86]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0TGCZqi002251 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:12:35 -0500 Received: from kcdc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by klpd017.kcdc.att.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0TGCfnV006365 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:12:41 -0600 Received: from maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by klpd017.kcdc.att.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0TGCbiZ006273 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:12:38 -0600 Received: from [135.25.188.145] (unknown[135.25.188.145]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20100129161237gw100m6b89e> (Authid: tony); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:12:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.25.188.145] Message-ID: <4B6308F5.8060108@att.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:12:37 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7758411DE576@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584122731A@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B62D2D6.1060806@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4B62D2D6.1060806@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:12:35 -0000 It seems like the document shepherd should be included somewhere as well. Tony Hansen tony@att.com Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Spencer, Pasi, > > Additional information on one item below: > > On 2010-01-28 18:27 Pasi.Eronen@Nokia.com said the following: >> Spencer Dawkins wrote: > .. > > The draft aliases currently available on tools.ietf.org have been > enhanced during last autumn, so that the following are now available: > > @tools.ietf.org # Draft authors (for now, could change) > .authors@ # Draft authors > .chairs@ # WG Chairs (if the draft is a WG draft) > .notify@ # The addresses entered into the tracker's > # email notification field for the draft > .ad@ # The sponsoring AD, if the draft has gone > # to the IESG > .all@ # All of the above, merged into one alias From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Jan 29 08:24:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F1E3A6919 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:24:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U05UYaU4e4GQ for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3083C3A68B4 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:54247 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NateU-000891-8E; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:24:58 +0100 Message-ID: <4B630BD9.9020308@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:24:57 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7758411DE576@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584122731A@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B62D2D6.1060806@levkowetz.com> <4B6308F5.8060108@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4B6308F5.8060108@att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tony@att.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:09:26 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:24:41 -0000 On 2010-01-29 17:12 Tony Hansen said the following: > It seems like the document shepherd should be included somewhere as well. The way it's done currently is that the document shepherd will be entered in the document's email notification list in the database, so will appear in the .notify and .all entries below. Once we enhance the database with specific knowledge of shepherds, I'll be happy to add a specific .shepherd entry, too. Best, Henrik > Tony Hansen > tony@att.com > > Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Hi Spencer, Pasi, >> >> Additional information on one item below: >> >> On 2010-01-28 18:27 Pasi.Eronen@Nokia.com said the following: >>> Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> .. >> >> The draft aliases currently available on tools.ietf.org have been >> enhanced during last autumn, so that the following are now available: >> >> @tools.ietf.org # Draft authors (for now, could change) >> .authors@ # Draft authors >> .chairs@ # WG Chairs (if the draft is a WG draft) >> .notify@ # The addresses entered into the tracker's >> # email notification field for the draft >> .ad@ # The sponsoring AD, if the draft has gone >> # to the IESG >> .all@ # All of the above, merged into one alias > > From spencer@wonderhamster.org Fri Jan 29 08:27:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309603A6919 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:27:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.413 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.413 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v5jbtHP4J98h for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AB83A68B4 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Mhhff-1NMxkW3kZv-00MwiW; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:27:51 -0500 Message-ID: <5DB8CFCBC9894A59B38703635DC2B491@china.huawei.com> From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "Tony Hansen" , "Henrik Levkowetz" References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7758411DE576@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584122731A@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com><4B62D2D6.1060806@levkowetz.com> <4B6308F5.8060108@att.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:27:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/gX2HJBtUAfCCsJhTeOCZgthHnI8J+Q+sySH3 XF8Ijw7rh/lv6XhzwG7Dxuuk6uv9afBBnsYYR4jAh9q2gLFzBh FurQm8cOTUJyFPvyaQhso5zpXPQd32TCpAwRCGXsss= Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:27:40 -0000 I believe the document shepherd is included as a notification address in the ID Tracker (not sure whether this is the secretariat or the AD who actually adds the address). So I assumed that the shepherd is already included in .all - please let us know if that's not the case! Spencer > It seems like the document shepherd should be included somewhere as well. > > Tony Hansen > tony@att.com > > Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Hi Spencer, Pasi, >> >> Additional information on one item below: >> >> On 2010-01-28 18:27 Pasi.Eronen@Nokia.com said the following: >>> Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> .. >> >> The draft aliases currently available on tools.ietf.org have been >> enhanced during last autumn, so that the following are now available: >> >> @tools.ietf.org # Draft authors (for now, could change) >> .authors@ # Draft authors >> .chairs@ # WG Chairs (if the draft is a WG draft) >> .notify@ # The addresses entered into the tracker's >> # email notification field for the draft >> .ad@ # The sponsoring AD, if the draft has gone >> # to the IESG >> .all@ # All of the above, merged into one alias > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tony@att.com Fri Jan 29 08:30:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5E23A68B4 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:30:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.953 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.953 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.646, BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jifa008qyhVJ for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail121.messagelabs.com (mail121.messagelabs.com [216.82.242.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D9E3A6992 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:30:42 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-121.messagelabs.com!1264782663!33114463!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.4; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.146] Received: (qmail 12035 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2010 16:31:04 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp7.sbc.com (HELO mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.146) by server-11.tower-121.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 29 Jan 2010 16:31:04 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0TGUvmQ022162 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:30:57 -0500 Received: from klpd017.kcdc.att.com (klpd017.kcdc.att.com [135.188.40.86]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0TGUpEi022052 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:30:51 -0500 Received: from kcdc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by klpd017.kcdc.att.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0TGUvvB029384 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:30:57 -0600 Received: from maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by klpd017.kcdc.att.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0TGUrxt029326 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:30:54 -0600 Received: from [135.25.188.145] (unknown[135.25.188.145]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20100129163053gw100m6b8de> (Authid: tony); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:30:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.25.188.145] Message-ID: <4B630D3D.6000204@att.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:30:53 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7758411DE576@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584122731A@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B62D2D6.1060806@levkowetz.com> <4B6308F5.8060108@att.com> <4B630BD9.9020308@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4B630BD9.9020308@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:30:45 -0000 Okay, this works for me. Tony Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > On 2010-01-29 17:12 Tony Hansen said the following: >> It seems like the document shepherd should be included somewhere as well. > > The way it's done currently is that the document shepherd will be entered > in the document's email notification list in the database, so will appear > in the .notify and .all entries below. Once we enhance the database with > specific knowledge of shepherds, I'll be happy to add a specific .shepherd > entry, too. > > > Best, > > Henrik > > >> Tony Hansen >> tony@att.com >> >> Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >>> Hi Spencer, Pasi, >>> >>> Additional information on one item below: >>> >>> On 2010-01-28 18:27 Pasi.Eronen@Nokia.com said the following: >>>> Spencer Dawkins wrote: >>> .. >>> >>> The draft aliases currently available on tools.ietf.org have been >>> enhanced during last autumn, so that the following are now available: >>> >>> @tools.ietf.org # Draft authors (for now, could change) >>> .authors@ # Draft authors >>> .chairs@ # WG Chairs (if the draft is a WG draft) >>> .notify@ # The addresses entered into the tracker's >>> # email notification field for the draft >>> .ad@ # The sponsoring AD, if the draft has gone >>> # to the IESG >>> .all@ # All of the above, merged into one alias >> > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Fri Jan 29 10:48:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A0E3A690F for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.087 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.087 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UYrYd9ZqkaOP for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970053A67E5 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:48:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.20.30.158] (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o0TInKJP001299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:49:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:49:18 -0800 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Tools-discuss] Unpaginated drafts should be treated the same as paginated ones by the submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:48:59 -0000 Greetings again. I just turned in two drafts that were created without page breaks. The I-D Submission tool forces the drafts to go through manual processing. This seems terribly wrong, given that these drafts are perfectly legitimate. True, the tool can't estimate the page count: so what? That is not a good reason to penalize people who are trying to save paper for people who print out drafts. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From touch@ISI.EDU Fri Jan 29 12:10:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560AB3A6800 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:10:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wfcI0Qug5fS3 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDA83A67DA for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.95] (pool-71-106-88-10.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.106.88.10] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by nitro.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0TK9FxD019771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:09:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B63406B.6040806@isi.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:09:15 -0800 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2C227023A307213445E1931E" X-MailScanner-ID: o0TK9FxD019771 X-ISI-4-69-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Unpaginated drafts should be treated the same as paginated ones by the submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:10:16 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2C227023A307213445E1931E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul Hoffman wrote: > Greetings again. I just turned in two drafts that were created > without > page breaks. The I-D Submission tool forces the drafts to go through > manual processing. This seems terribly wrong, given that these drafts > are perfectly legitimate. Why? Aren't page breaks expected, if not required? > True, the tool can't estimate the page count: > so what? That is not a good reason to penalize people who are trying to= > save paper for people who print out drafts. There are many ways to save paper. Page breaks shouldn't affect these (e.g., 2-up). Joe --------------enig2C227023A307213445E1931E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAktjQGsACgkQE5f5cImnZrtvygCeIgJiGOuOUi/KZevBJWIXlnSG 7X8An07llRsYth6ff5xhuEM+dRCsy4kk =KwO1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2C227023A307213445E1931E-- From spencer@wonderhamster.org Fri Jan 29 14:16:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09C53A6890 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:16:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.435 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.435 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.163, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KatUOvfO+Qwv for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D95C3A67C0 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lz3f6-1NoGqU0PIm-0145t4; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:16:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "Joe Touch" , "Paul Hoffman" References: <4B63406B.6040806@isi.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:16:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+PFQHkCD4AMjFx7wDu8xL7W3eo7MKm0EJ8Kgp PpYzcDQZRr7CXuZXqwSiNMdqTq6DVuYOXdixGwHMFdQN+yIAd3 pJC5871QfvGacDnnCXKc4q9klmSdXv9jLoDuyd4Fig= Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Unpaginated drafts should be treated the same as paginated ones by the submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:16:28 -0000 Joe, A quick glance at http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt didn't tell me that pagination is required. I know that Paul isn't the only person who submits drafts without pagination. Thanks, Spencer From touch@ISI.EDU Fri Jan 29 14:34:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E3E3A6944 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:34:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QnDYUenYY+Si for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from vapor.isi.edu (vapor.isi.edu [128.9.64.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810563A68F4 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.95] (pool-71-106-88-10.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.106.88.10] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by vapor.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0TMY7nt010535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:34:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B63625E.9080205@isi.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:34:06 -0800 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins References: <4B63406B.6040806@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig5A756119E942CC9866199E62" X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Cc: Paul Hoffman , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Unpaginated drafts should be treated the same as paginated ones by the submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:34:19 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig5A756119E942CC9866199E62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Joe, >=20 > A quick glance at http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt didn'= t > tell me that pagination is required. =46rom that text: Internet-Drafts are generally in the format of an RFC, although they may be rough drafts when the first version is submitted. This format is specified fully in "Instructions to RFC Authors" (see the RFC Editor's Web pages [1] and [I-D.rfc-editor-rfc2223bis]). In brief, an Internet-Draft must be submitted in ASCII text, and should be limited to 72 characters per line and 58 lines per page, followed by a formfeed character. Overstriking to achieve bolding or underlining is not acceptable. I.e., the formfeed is required, and generally follows the format of an RFC that indicates page numbers explictly. Or does "pagination" mean something else? Joe --------------enig5A756119E942CC9866199E62 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAktjYl4ACgkQE5f5cImnZrsJ6gCg5SO91CuUQLSIo+Df5WIwCF2C 48gAoKmedpfHMqtaFmppeUXXLEMfVcUX =dY/t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig5A756119E942CC9866199E62-- From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Fri Jan 29 15:29:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A233A6844 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:29:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.085 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.085 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rd9AC9Vj0DWM for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6AC3A691D for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.20.30.158] (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o0TNU8gx021326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:30:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4B63625E.9080205@isi.edu> References: <4B63406B.6040806@isi.edu> <4B63625E.9080205@isi.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:29:00 -0800 To: Joe Touch , Spencer Dawkins From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Unpaginated drafts should be treated the same as paginated ones by the submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:29:47 -0000 At 2:34 PM -0800 1/29/10, Joe Touch wrote: >Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> Joe, >> >> A quick glance at http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt didn't >> tell me that pagination is required. > >>From that text: > > Internet-Drafts are generally in the format of an RFC, although they > may be rough drafts when the first version is submitted. This format > is specified fully in "Instructions to RFC Authors" (see the RFC > Editor's Web pages [1] and [I-D.rfc-editor-rfc2223bis]). In brief, > an Internet-Draft must be submitted in ASCII text, and should be > limited to 72 characters per line and 58 lines per page, followed by > a formfeed character. Overstriking to achieve bolding or underlining > is not acceptable. > >I.e., the formfeed is required, and generally follows the format of an >RFC that indicates page numbers explictly. > >Or does "pagination" mean something else? No, "should" means something else. Or are you saying that drafts that have no pagination are being completely rejected by the system, not just by the submission tool? If so, I suggest that you have not actually read through the Internet Drafts directory lately. I hope that the Tools Team is not agreeing with Joe about what "should" means. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From adam@nostrum.com Fri Jan 29 15:52:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644563A698F for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:52:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rB3OOHFDURTC for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481A43A698C for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from hydra-3.local (ppp-70-249-147-216.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [70.249.147.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o0TNr96W022505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:53:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4B6374E6.8090008@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:53:10 -0600 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins References: <4B63406B.6040806@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070708090301010400070607" Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 70.249.147.216 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: Paul Hoffman , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Joe Touch Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Unpaginated drafts should be treated the same as paginated ones by the submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:52:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070708090301010400070607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/29/10 16:16, Jan 29, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Joe, > > A quick glance at http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt > didn't tell me that pagination is required. I think the passage you're looking for is in section 2: > [A]n Internet-Draft must be submitted in ASCII text, and should be > limited to 72 characters per line and 58 lines per page, followed by > a formfeed character. /a --------------070708090301010400070607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/29/10 16:16, Jan 29, Spencer Dawkins wrote:
Joe,

A quick glance at http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt didn't tell me that pagination is required.

I think the passage you're looking for is in section 2:

   [A]n Internet-Draft must be submitted in ASCII text, and should be
   limited to 72 characters per line and 58 lines per page, followed by
   a formfeed character.


/a
--------------070708090301010400070607-- From spencer@wonderhamster.org Fri Jan 29 15:58:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3AF3A698F for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:58:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.441 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.441 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.157, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8+mzy0nZQ7fp for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:58:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9E23A6804 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:58:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from S73602b (cpe-76-182-230-135.tx.res.rr.com [76.182.230.135]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MHIpn-1NVjX71Wa3-00DwkA; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:58:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "Joe Touch" References: <4B63406B.6040806@isi.edu> <4B63625E.9080205@isi.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:58:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+f/L9N8N8OX0esAfy+dhOXJes6i3NqyVCZnkX DjPphbpffOv51OWswU5OcF7WCLzs9Lx6vu3vS+/CvtvfLqF5KL O4gJZCKHW8zI98j5GtPusYkRk29f6UjAl2nnBmkrKM= Cc: Paul Hoffman , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Unpaginated drafts should be treated the same as paginated ones by the submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:58:08 -0000 Hi, Joe, I was reading the first sentence as overarching: Internet-Drafts are generally in the format of an RFC, although they may be rough drafts when the first version is submitted. I wouldn't mind pagination being required, whether we think that's already true or not, but I think Paul's point was that the draft was accepted when submitted manually, so it's not clear what value was being added by rejecting at autosubmission time... Thanks, Spencer From fielding@gbiv.com Fri Jan 29 16:11:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A903A679C for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:11:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nCOZGWduS644 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from spaceymail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D873A67B3 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtf.corp.day.com (wsip-98-189-13-228.oc.oc.cox.net [98.189.13.228]) by spaceymail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8DF1537B; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:11:41 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Roy T. Fielding" X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:11:40 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4B63406B.6040806@isi.edu> <4B63625E.9080205@isi.edu> To: "Spencer Dawkins" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Cc: Paul Hoffman , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Joe Touch Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Unpaginated drafts should be treated the same as paginated ones by the submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:11:20 -0000 On Jan 29, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Hi, Joe, >=20 > I was reading the first sentence as overarching: >=20 > Internet-Drafts are generally in the format of an RFC, although they > may be rough drafts when the first version is submitted. >=20 > I wouldn't mind pagination being required, whether we think that's = already true or not, but I think Paul's point was that the draft was = accepted when submitted manually, so it's not clear what value was being = added by rejecting at autosubmission time... FWIW, pagination has never been required of drafts. Before xml2rfc, I would never paginate my drafts because it makes a mess of diffs (and is otherwise painfully stupid, but that's just my opinion). ....Roy From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Fri Jan 29 20:30:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851393A685B for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:30:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.024 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.024 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.425, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ypB2p5cVJ-ON for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yx0-f194.google.com (mail-yx0-f194.google.com [209.85.210.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93333A67DF for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxe32 with SMTP id 32so2322065yxe.5 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:31:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=x1C2Rgad4/1l9IY/3nxhbTuvdiEGSqpVl++I1mr8iY0=; b=UjPe68MhG++rTzltsLMICGLtJNQLVqNPcRmZ4zCNXNh/34gJFLR/IeQaXjiuC7hDsC 6aq6KDDSXubPpQRpgjEVoV9gvJNDgTwxhTFuvRmOhwJpw7eeqra+dHknodhXUzy+NQMv GVlHbO+UUJOfVtIkn1IPxiiyoZQDDFB19VD/I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=L7Sci1rJqstWvqXpqZS6DfPli+46ugd1SB0R4N4tw1eiw0TLnIZ+81TW9uIlrJb4uV 9747Zdc/EPv70Ubj1xf80fufnqzkiyBUuOPPYoeaN46evOlx8sLdaCJOqK7LNMFK6HLz kYJJ27K71OOz98ScYN4g8SEyhNaPGKNhhs3Ps= Received: by 10.150.2.10 with SMTP id 10mr2791332ybb.235.1264825866725; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:31:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.4? ([121.98.142.15]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm968061ywh.1.2010.01.29.20.31.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:31:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B63B605.7030109@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:31:01 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] ID-nits contains an obsolete URL X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:30:47 -0000 > Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Umm, this is 404. It seems to have moved to http://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist.html > ** The document seems to lack an Introduction section. Well, I see that this *is* listed as a requirement. Does anyone here know why? Regards Brian Carpenter From mnot@mnot.net Sat Jan 30 15:31:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F6C3A67F2 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:31:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.419, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AlvYvUncVC+8 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2193A67CF for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from chancetrain-lm.mnot.net (unknown [118.209.167.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2283922E1F3; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:32:10 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:32:06 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2D4D86DB-4D6D-4088-99F4-95D026B75F69@mnot.net> References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB77584119A04D@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker improvements for testing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:31:51 -0000 These look fantastic. My only feedback is that once these are deemed "live" (now?), the = various other I-D URLs hosted on tools, datatracker and ietf.org should = 301 redirect to them, so there's ONE view of this information, not = (seemingly, sometimes) fifteen. Cheers, On 27/01/2010, at 6:17 AM, = wrote: > Hi everyone, >=20 > I'd like to invite everyone on the tools-discuss list to test the > upcoming datatracker improvements that Russ referred to recently: >=20 > = http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg06907.html >=20 > Two starting points: >=20 > o The new search page (try searching for "nsis" for a good overview > of new features): > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ >=20 > This page will eventually replace at least three separate search > interfaces in the current datatracker: /idtracker/, /drafts/, and > the IESG tracker search page.=20 >=20 > o New per-draft page: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-csi-sndp-prob/ >=20 > Here the goal is again to simplify the system, and replace at=20 > least three separate per-draft pages (one under /idtracker/, > another under /drafts/, and third in the IESG tracker) with one > page that shows all the information previously found on those > separate pages (and has "edit" buttons if you're logged in=20 > as area director). >=20 > As Russ noted, this code is developed by volunteers, so please send > bug reports, enhancement ideas, and other comments to this list, not > the IETF secretariat. >=20 > (Note that if you have used this interface earlier, it might be > necessary to click "Reload" to clear old data from the cache.) >=20 > Best regards, > Pasi > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From touch@ISI.EDU Sat Jan 30 23:26:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FF128C0E4 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:26:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pcw9WNvqKGto for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4451428C0E2 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.95] (pool-71-106-88-10.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.106.88.10] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by nitro.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0V7QOQJ003243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:26:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B6530A0.7000206@isi.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:26:24 -0800 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: <4B63406B.6040806@isi.edu> <4B63625E.9080205@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2FFC058F30FE369A753A9D53" X-MailScanner-ID: o0V7QOQJ003243 X-ISI-4-69-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Unpaginated drafts should be treated the same as paginated ones by the submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:26:39 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2FFC058F30FE369A753A9D53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul Hoffman wrote: > At 2:34 PM -0800 1/29/10, Joe Touch wrote: >> Spencer Dawkins wrote: >>> Joe, >>> >>> A quick glance at http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt did= n't >>> tell me that pagination is required. >> >From that text: >> >> Internet-Drafts are generally in the format of an RFC, although they= >> may be rough drafts when the first version is submitted. This forma= t >> is specified fully in "Instructions to RFC Authors" (see the RFC >> Editor's Web pages [1] and [I-D.rfc-editor-rfc2223bis]). In brief, >> an Internet-Draft must be submitted in ASCII text, and should be >> limited to 72 characters per line and 58 lines per page, followed by= >> a formfeed character. Overstriking to achieve bolding or underlinin= g >> is not acceptable. >> >> I.e., the formfeed is required, and generally follows the format of an= >> RFC that indicates page numbers explictly. >> >> Or does "pagination" mean something else? >=20 > No, "should" means something else. Or are you saying that drafts that > have no pagination are being completely rejected by the system, not > just by the submission tool? If so, I suggest that you have not > actually read through the Internet Drafts directory lately. >=20 > I hope that the Tools Team is not agreeing with Joe about what > "should" means. I think that this all means that the autosubmission tool is either rejecting something that the manual submission "should" have, or that the autosubmission tool "should" be updated. I'm guessing that all these "shoulds" (including "should" use formfeed) would be interpreted the same way. Joe --------------enig2FFC058F30FE369A753A9D53 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAktlMKAACgkQE5f5cImnZrssWwCeOFtMUr1q+m5Zln1sDMACtX6n MLUAnROSJcZ/NEwm51rmTKzsl8peZ2ON =JFYV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2FFC058F30FE369A753A9D53-- From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Sun Jan 31 07:38:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A223A6974 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:38:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.079 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.079 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FZ7hUli2uVeU for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D743A696B for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.20.30.158] (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o0VFcZ1j050050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:38:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4B6530A0.7000206@isi.edu> References: <4B63406B.6040806@isi.edu> <4B63625E.9080205@isi.edu> <4B6530A0.7000206@isi.edu> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:38:34 -0800 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Unpaginated drafts should be treated the same as paginated ones by the submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:38:07 -0000 So, how do I turn in a formal bug report on this part of the I-D submission tool? --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From touch@ISI.EDU Sun Jan 31 10:28:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D233A6830 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:28:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30HVaoNRwPI1 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from nitro.isi.edu (nitro.isi.edu [128.9.208.207]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463D63A68C0 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.95] (pool-71-106-88-10.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.106.88.10] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by nitro.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0VISVLT003479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:28:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B65CBCE.4060309@isi.edu> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:28:30 -0800 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: <4B63406B.6040806@isi.edu> <4B63625E.9080205@isi.edu> <4B6530A0.7000206@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigAA282AA2F3443799EFEE9D79" X-MailScanner-ID: o0VISVLT003479 X-ISI-4-69-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Unpaginated drafts should be treated the same as paginated ones by the submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:28:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigAA282AA2F3443799EFEE9D79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul Hoffman wrote: > So, how do I turn in a formal bug report on this part of the I-D submis= sion tool?=20 =46rom the web page: Please send problem reports to ietf-action@ietf.org. It's unclear that there's a "formal" process. From the tools page: "Tools Team Prototype Tools are tools that are under development by the Tools Team, and are not maintained by the Secretariat" Joe --------------enigAA282AA2F3443799EFEE9D79 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAktly84ACgkQE5f5cImnZruhwgCg0pYxAjVVVhhkUZJ2rlQhGJo/ 5i4AoLG7rYYZKc/4CsdTOUWrkZn5fC+y =QNse -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigAA282AA2F3443799EFEE9D79--