From aakhter@cisco.com Mon Mar 7 00:13:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DFF3A6906 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 00:13:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jiAtR6L9vqsg for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 00:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC62C3A689F for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 00:13:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=aakhter@cisco.com; l=721; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1299485705; x=1300695305; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:from:to; bh=J88WNLUmB61i93/0cCdsYznJYo5OsmgFE/KmC6Xq6YY=; b=H3qVPitn2rY4vWV2NwAt43RAD4vfPVLarlVpZeW8peTB31KNdSK7YPN9 E/alCyrntkxe3pusBzHcIHLo5Ltc60KiWGyJHosWLuQB2wO32i3a3CPOB z4392UAuii/bWbPZgjihKFNwrNPmyBEu2hVAsWFQvphCKcyA8qUrlEN30 w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoQGAJYidE2tJXG9/2dsb2JhbACYTI19dKJWmxKFYgSFHIpd X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,276,1297036800"; d="scan'208";a="223178490" Received: from rcdn-core2-2.cisco.com ([173.37.113.189]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Mar 2011 08:15:04 +0000 Received: from xbh-rcd-102.cisco.com (xbh-rcd-102.cisco.com [72.163.62.139]) by rcdn-core2-2.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p278F4Yg013149 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:15:04 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-101.cisco.com ([72.163.62.143]) by xbh-rcd-102.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 7 Mar 2011 02:15:04 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 02:15:04 -0600 Message-ID: <7F298ACC76CC154F832B6D02852D169F041E76A3@XMB-RCD-101.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: XMLmind validation error: sequence of child elements is incorrect Thread-Index: AcvcawkdgbghoWaJSvOtEiN2FA+WJw== From: "Aamer Akhter (aakhter)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2011 08:15:04.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[C366DC00:01CBDC9F] Subject: [Tools-discuss] XMLmind validation error: sequence of child elements is incorrect X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 08:13:53 -0000 Hi folks, I'm working on xml2rfc with xmlmind. There is a validation feature (Tools->Check Validity) that is reporting the below error: " the sequence of child elements is incorrect [cvc-complex-type.2.4]" The error is on the stanza. Any ideas what is wrong with the below? IP Flow Information Export Information Elements (http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipfix/ipfix.xml) From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Mar 7 00:26:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3D73A6800 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 00:26:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.068 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.068 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.069, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_39=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mFOVxxxS6+8L for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 00:26:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 219323A67D7 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 00:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Mar 2011 08:27:54 -0000 Received: from p508FAA74.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.170.116] by mail.gmx.net (mp032) with SMTP; 07 Mar 2011 09:27:54 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19AeV9G8UlAyVESPF8rcCT8xlf05zRdceNv1D9vs7 9+ZJYlhZzif831 Message-ID: <4D749701.2040207@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 09:27:45 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aamer Akhter (aakhter)" References: <7F298ACC76CC154F832B6D02852D169F041E76A3@XMB-RCD-101.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <7F298ACC76CC154F832B6D02852D169F041E76A3@XMB-RCD-101.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] XMLmind validation error: sequence of child elements is incorrect X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 08:26:50 -0000 On 07.03.2011 09:15, Aamer Akhter (aakhter) wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm working on xml2rfc with xmlmind. There is a validation feature > (Tools->Check Validity) that is reporting the below error: > > " the sequence of child elements is incorrect [cvc-complex-type.2.4]" > > The error is on the stanza. Any ideas what is wrong with > the below? > > > > > > IP Flow Information Export Information Elements > (http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipfix/ipfix.xml) > > > > The DTD says: so it's probably caused by the missing element (yes, that shouldn't be required in the first place). Best regards, Julian From jmh@joelhalpern.com Mon Mar 7 10:05:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DABA3A681D for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:05:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.418 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.418 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.181, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f2Vq7u36Zu2P for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from hgblob.out.tigertech.net (hgblob.out.tigertech.net [74.114.88.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1473A6809 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DDD324622E for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:06:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hgblob.tigertech.net Received: from [10.10.10.101] (pool-71-161-51-167.clppva.btas.verizon.net [71.161.51.167]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hgblob.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EB6E432478B6 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:06:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D751EB8.9090405@joelhalpern.com> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:06:48 -0500 From: "Joel M. Halpern" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.14) Gecko/20110221 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] Dating problem X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 18:05:45 -0000 I have noticed that idnits and the draft submission tool appear to differ on the acceptable form of dates. IDNits is perfectly willing to accept month and year. However, the submission tool has recently (at least) been refusing to accepts submissions, complaining about invalid date. If I add day, the problem goes away. Yours, Joel From cabo@tzi.org Tue Mar 8 03:54:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FE63A683E for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 03:54:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.166 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.166 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OYKXvv2gJQbT for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 03:54:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE6C3A6403 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 03:54:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p28BtudC029431 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:55:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from eduroam-0070.wlan.uni-bremen.de (eduroam-0070.wlan.uni-bremen.de [134.102.16.70]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C10473CD; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:55:56 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:52:55 +0100 To: Tools Team Discussion Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org/wg/core cycling through inconsistent states X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 11:54:52 -0000 It appears that some of the results when you randomly access the above = page are in a different state from the others. E.g., on one of them draft-ietf-core-coap is not a WG document (but it = does have some recent drafts!). Don't have more precise data yet. Gruesse, Carsten From ahagens@amsl.com Tue Mar 8 15:27:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836673A67B8 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:27:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uSn1l8Xue2cb for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093C73A67B7 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A9BE08BF; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:28:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c1a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c1a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YyYMGXOxtL2n; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:28:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc2.home (pool-72-66-107-92.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.107.92]) by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 753E3E0619; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:28:21 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Alice Hagens In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:28:20 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <46F0A050-CAA4-42C3-825D-B14E1038FA7F@amsl.com> References: <02E97FAF-B38E-414A-9693-A4B09940E339@cisco.com> <4D64F2B2.4040905@levkowetz.com> To: Tools Team Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: RFC Editor Subject: [Tools-discuss] page breaking - Re: xml2rfc community comments X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 23:27:08 -0000 The RFC Production Center agrees with the following 2 comments regarding = page breaking in the text output of xml2rfc. Christopher Dearlove wrote: > ... regarding page control issues. Currently tables can > be split (badly) and captions of tables and figures put on > separate pages to their table or figure. Less critical, but > while I'm on a wish list, I don't like section headings at > the foot of a page while the section starts on the next page. Similarly, John Klensin wrote: > better handling of widows and orphans=20 > (especially with regard to section title-text and lists with=20 > undented headings top my personal list, Julian Reschke wrote: > =46rom the practical point of view: I'd simply not worry about where = page breaks end up in internet drafts. Let the RFC production center = deal with it when the time is ripe. Currently, the RPC deals with it by converting XML to nroff, then = handling page breaks using commands in the nroff. Historically, the RFC = Editor has been encouraged to switch to XML entirely, i.e., abandon the = intermediary nroff step; this would be more feasible if the handling of = page-breaking were improved. Perhaps the RFP could include improved placement of page breaks. Thanks, Alice for the RFC Production Center= From mnot@mnot.net Tue Mar 8 23:59:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F50B3A687F for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 23:59:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7px4mxow1cb7 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 23:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF823A6822 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 23:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.10.1.142] (unknown [67.111.52.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B178222E1EB for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:00:23 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Nottingham Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 00:00:22 -0800 Message-Id: To: IETF TOOLS discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Draft formats in datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 07:59:17 -0000 Datatracker currently makes the following formats available (e.g., on = ): plain text, xml, pdf, html A few issues/suggestions: 1. The "main" page for a draft contains only the first ~2 pages of the = draft. Does this serve any practical function? Why not include the whole = thing? 2. The "html" version is an html-adorned text/plain draft. Julian's XSLT = produces good HTML -- why not link to it? Or, at least make it = available; right now people have to click first on the 'html' version = here, then click on the 'html' version in the resulting page (on tools.) = -- very confusing. Ideally, since this is the Web, the (xslt-generated) = HTML version should be the default representation. 3. Julian says that his XSLT is also capable of generating epub files, = and with minimal modification, should be able to generate HTML suitable = for input into Amazon's KindleGen program. Can the resulting files = (.epub and .mobi) be lined as alternative formats as well? A growing = number of IETFers are using ebook readers. If these are desirable changes, I could work on them at the sprint, = possible (I'm arriving that day from AU, and may be quite jetlagged). Cheers, -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Mar 9 01:40:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448103A68DF for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 01:40:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.476 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.476 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.877, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3LMlrdKbTfDg for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 01:40:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8520D3A68D0 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 01:40:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Mar 2011 09:42:05 -0000 Received: from p508FA987.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.169.135] by mail.gmx.net (mp054) with SMTP; 09 Mar 2011 10:42:05 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/5j0gB8If5WwHfiyS5Ed8WTIM6Eu6c3WJ2sX4z0n BXuHCy1uR2X6nf Message-ID: <4D774B62.8010804@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:41:54 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alice Hagens References: <02E97FAF-B38E-414A-9693-A4B09940E339@cisco.com> <4D64F2B2.4040905@levkowetz.com> <46F0A050-CAA4-42C3-825D-B14E1038FA7F@amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <46F0A050-CAA4-42C3-825D-B14E1038FA7F@amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] page breaking - Re: xml2rfc community comments X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 09:40:55 -0000 On 09.03.2011 00:28, Alice Hagens wrote: > The RFC Production Center agrees with the following 2 comments regarding page breaking in the text output of xml2rfc. > > Christopher Dearlove wrote: >> ... regarding page control issues. Currently tables can >> be split (badly) and captions of tables and figures put on >> separate pages to their table or figure. Less critical, but >> while I'm on a wish list, I don't like section headings at >> the foot of a page while the section starts on the next page. > > Similarly, John Klensin wrote: >> better handling of widows and orphans >> (especially with regard to section title-text and lists with >> undented headings top my personal list, > > > Julian Reschke wrote: >> From the practical point of view: I'd simply not worry about where page breaks end up in internet drafts. Let the RFC production center deal with it when the time is ripe. > > Currently, the RPC deals with it by converting XML to nroff, then handling page breaks using commands in the nroff. Historically, the RFC Editor has been encouraged to switch to XML entirely, i.e., abandon the intermediary nroff step; this would be more feasible if the handling of page-breaking were improved. > > Perhaps the RFP could include improved placement of page breaks. > ... I absolutely do agree that *if* we have a tool that produces paginated text, it should work well. Which means, that it should *automatically* create page breaks in the right places. This means, that additional hints in the source file normally should not be needed. What I said above was directed at people who waste (IMHO) time tuning the page-breaking for temporary documents. BR, Julian From simon.perreault@viagenie.ca Wed Mar 9 05:06:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A78A3A69B8 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 05:06:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PagKcDtroWAc for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 05:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD1D3A6948 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 05:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ringo.viagenie.ca (ringo.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.67]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47C0221F5D for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:07:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D777B99.3060402@viagenie.ca> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:07:37 -0500 From: Simon Perreault User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc14 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] vCardXML in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:06:25 -0000 Hi, In the spirit of "eating our own dog food", I think that the next xml2rfc should use vCardXML[1] for describing RFC authors. vCardXML is currently a draft in the VCARDDAV working group. It is an XML representation of the venerable vCard format, which is used just about anywhere on the Internet for representing contact information. Are changes to the xml2rfc format allowed? Is this feasible? Can I do anything to help? Would it make anyone hate me and want to kill me? (e.g. RFC editor staff probably have tools that work with the current format...) Thanks, Simon [1] -- DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Mar 9 05:26:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86273A69BF for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 05:26:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.877 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.877 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.278, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y7DebSTZuJZL for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 05:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 88EEE3A696D for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 05:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Mar 2011 13:28:13 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.134]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 09 Mar 2011 14:28:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18LbBBl8AALZAagFb+HgcykBCsqdqXcVKLT1FVbDZ J+E3POL1/fEH1x Message-ID: <4D778069.5070009@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:28:09 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Perreault References: <4D777B99.3060402@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <4D777B99.3060402@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] vCardXML in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:26:59 -0000 On 09.03.2011 14:07, Simon Perreault wrote: > Hi, > > In the spirit of "eating our own dog food", I think that the next > xml2rfc should use vCardXML[1] for describing RFC authors. vCardXML is > currently a draft in the VCARDDAV working group. It is an XML > representation of the venerable vCard format, which is used just about > anywhere on the Internet for representing contact information. That's an interesting thought. > Are changes to the xml2rfc format allowed? This sounds like "who's in charge for changes?" - that's something that came up in the context of the xml2rfc rewrite SoW, and I believe the answer is: the community. > Is this feasible? > Can I do anything to help? > Would it make anyone hate me and want to kill me? (e.g. RFC editor staff > probably have tools that work with the current format...) I think a good initial step would be to write a tool that takes xml2rfc+vcardxml and transforms it "down" to xml2rfc (similarly how I implement "my" extensions in rfc2629.xslt). Best regards, Julian From marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca Wed Mar 9 07:04:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3673A69DF for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:04:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lveZpvU1w9RJ for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:04:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D717B3A69DC for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from h109.viagenie.ca (h109.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.109]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5CAF321B97 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:05:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D77973B.1010307@viagenie.ca> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:05:31 -0500 From: Marc Blanchet User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; fr; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <4D777B99.3060402@viagenie.ca> <4D778069.5070009@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4D778069.5070009@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] vCardXML in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 15:04:18 -0000 Le 11-03-09 08:28, Julian Reschke a écrit : > On 09.03.2011 14:07, Simon Perreault wrote: >> Hi, >> >> In the spirit of "eating our own dog food", I think that the next >> xml2rfc should use vCardXML[1] for describing RFC authors. vCardXML is >> currently a draft in the VCARDDAV working group. It is an XML >> representation of the venerable vCard format, which is used just about >> anywhere on the Internet for representing contact information. > ... > > I think a good initial step would be to write a tool that takes > xml2rfc+vcardxml and transforms it "down" to xml2rfc well, but then there will be no value for an author to do the vcardxml since the "native" format that would be floating around will be without. instead, I would suggest to support both formats for the time being, something like: ... vcardxml blob obviously it would require changes to parsers. but since we are rewriting it as I understand, might be a good idea to include the support of our own standards in it. Marc. > (similarly how I > implement "my" extensions in rfc2629.xslt). > > Best regards, Julian > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- ========= IPv6 book: Migrating to IPv6, Wiley. http://www.ipv6book.ca Stun/Turn server for VoIP NAT-FW traversal: http://numb.viagenie.ca DTN Implementation: http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64-DNS64 Opensource: http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Mar 9 08:09:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820343A68C8 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:09:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.85 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.85 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.251, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KV-+wBMR4gkB for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:09:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E2A33A6859 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:09:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Mar 2011 16:10:23 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.134]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp041) with SMTP; 09 Mar 2011 17:10:23 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18JMxEYWlgJD6Rl68JYRTogxKFHl3J3v/W0Ep34vt otPARf8kBDYcCv Message-ID: <4D77A66A.5010003@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:10:18 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Blanchet References: <4D777B99.3060402@viagenie.ca> <4D778069.5070009@gmx.de> <4D77973B.1010307@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <4D77973B.1010307@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] vCardXML in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:09:09 -0000 On 09.03.2011 16:05, Marc Blanchet wrote: > ... >> I think a good initial step would be to write a tool that takes >> xml2rfc+vcardxml and transforms it "down" to xml2rfc > > well, but then there will be no value for an author to do the vcardxml > since the "native" format that would be floating around will be without. > ... That's why I said "initial" :-) > instead, I would suggest to support both formats for the time being, > something like: > > ... vcardxml blob > I would just allow *instead* of . Of course doing this properly with DTD validation will be tricky. > obviously it would require changes to parsers. but since we are > rewriting it as I understand, might be a good idea to include the > support of our own standards in it. On the other hand, you're getting close to opening a can of worms. There are *many* things that should be improved in the xml2rfc format, with being another important one. We're not going to get this out of the first rewrite, unless I'm missing something. Also, relying on vcard XML may not be sufficient; for instance it doesn't provide abbreviated organization names, and would need to be extended once we allow localized author names in addition to US-ASCII transcriptions... BR, Julian From lars.eggert@nokia.com Wed Mar 9 08:10:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A553A69F1 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:10:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.752 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.752 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.153, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KwLLkm5CRL+B for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:10:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-da02.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.26]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461B73A68C8 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:10:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-da02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p29GBfe6022806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:11:42 +0200 From: Lars Eggert X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at fit.nokia.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--742653319; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:11:33 +0200 References: To: Tools Team Discussion Message-Id: <656153E0-1263-4584-B287-CACBD6A1E6E9@nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:11:38 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: bugs on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/80/agenda.html X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:10:27 -0000 --Apple-Mail-9--742653319 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Begin forwarded message: > From: Lars Eggert > Date: February 25, 2011 9:21:13 GMT+02:00 > To: "tools-development@ietf.org Development" = > Bcc: ietf-action@ietf.org > Subject: bugs on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/80/agenda.html=20= >=20 > Hi, >=20 > there are some bugs in the WG lists shown under "Select working group = sessions" on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/80/agenda.html >=20 > - under INT, there are these WGs listed which don't exist: lowpan, lrw > - under RAI, there are these WGs listed which don't exist: vipr > - under TSV, there are these WGs listed which don't exist: letic > - under IRTF, there are these RGs listed which don't exist: e2erg, = end2end, gsec >=20 > There may be more, this is just what popped out at me. >=20 > Lars >=20 > PS: ietf-action is BCC'ed >=20 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=?windows-1252?q?Fwd=3A_=23120_=28Re=3A_=5Bcore?= =?windows-1252?q?=5D_=23107=3A_Remove_Max-Age_from_requests=2E=2E=2E=29_?= =?windows-1252?q?=96_core?= X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:59:42 -0000 I apologize for opening too many issues this week... This time we have a new ticket that appears to have been opened by a = response to an old one. (See the weird subject of this message or: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/core/trac/ticket/120 Core is participating in the "mailing list can respond to tracker" = experiment.) Gruesse, Carsten From tony@att.com Sun Mar 13 21:12:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0AC3A6C29 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:12:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.111, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K5qTugKY05FD for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26303A6A08 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:12:01 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1300076004!5601704!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 30309 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2011 04:13:24 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-2.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 14 Mar 2011 04:13:24 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2E4DluS005052 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:13:47 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2E4DhsP004987 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:13:43 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2E4DJ0N010623 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:13:19 -0400 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2E4DGWt010451 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:13:16 -0400 Received: from [135.70.232.220] (vpn-135-70-232-220.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.232.220]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20110314041316gw100e4l0pe> (Authid: tony); Mon, 14 Mar 2011 04:13:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.232.220] Message-ID: <4D7D95DB.5010205@att.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:13:15 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <4D777B99.3060402@viagenie.ca> <4D778069.5070009@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4D778069.5070009@gmx.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070000070104020902070706" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] vCardXML in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 04:12:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070000070104020902070706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 3/9/2011 8:28 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 09.03.2011 14:07, Simon Perreault wrote: >> ... I think that the next >> xml2rfc should use vCardXML[1] for describing RFC authors. vCardXML is >> currently a draft in the VCARDDAV working group. ... > > That's an interesting thought. > >> Are changes to the xml2rfc format allowed? > > This sounds like "who's in charge for changes?" - that's something > that came up in the context of the xml2rfc rewrite SoW, and I believe > the answer is: the community. Yes, this is a question that needs to be resolved. "the community" is the right answer, but we need to figure out where the proper venue is. We need to have a forum for suggesting additions and modifications to the DTD to meet those suggestions, as well as a mechanism for weighing which changes are worth doing and a way to get those changes rolled out into the tools and onto the web site. > >instead, I would suggest to support both formats for the time being, > > something like: > > > > ... vcardxml blob > > > I would just allow > > > > *instead* of . Seems like a reasonable design choice. > Of course doing this properly with DTD validation will be tricky. We need to engage some DTD experts. :-) >> Is this feasible? >> Can I do anything to help? >> Would it make anyone hate me and want to kill me? (e.g. RFC editor staff >> probably have tools that work with the current format...) > > I think a good initial step would be to write a tool that takes > xml2rfc+vcardxml and transforms it "down" to xml2rfc (similarly how I > implement "my" extensions in rfc2629.xslt). Using xslt seems a reasonable way to do prototyping. Tony Hansen --------------070000070104020902070706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 3/9/2011 8:28 AM, Julian Reschke wrote:
On 09.03.2011 14:07, Simon Perreault wrote:
... I think that the next
xml2rfc should use vCardXML[1] for describing RFC authors. vCardXML is
currently a draft in the VCARDDAV working group. ...

That's an interesting thought.

Are changes to the xml2rfc format allowed?

This sounds like "who's in charge for changes?" - that's something that came up in the context of the xml2rfc rewrite SoW, and I believe the answer is: the community.

Yes, this is a question that needs to be resolved. "the community" is the right answer, but we need to figure out where the proper venue is. We need to have a forum for suggesting additions and modifications to the DTD to meet those suggestions, as well as a mechanism for weighing which changes are worth doing and a way to get those changes rolled out into the tools and onto the web site.

>instead, I would suggest to support both formats for the time being,
> something like:
> <author format="vcardxml">
> ... vcardxml blob
> </author>

> I would just allow
>
>     <vcard xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:vcard-4.0">
>
> *instead* of <author>.

Seems like a reasonable design choice.

> Of course doing this properly with DTD validation will be tricky.

We need to engage some DTD experts. :-)

Is this feasible?
Can I do anything to help?
Would it make anyone hate me and want to kill me? (e.g. RFC editor staff
probably have tools that work with the current format...)

I think a good initial step would be to write a tool that takes xml2rfc+vcardxml and transforms it "down" to xml2rfc (similarly how I implement "my" extensions in rfc2629.xslt).

Using xslt seems a reasonable way to do prototyping.

    Tony Hansen
--------------070000070104020902070706-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Mar 14 08:46:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301BE3A6DA8 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:46:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.641 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.641 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bp1KNBWM3xKA for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED9C3A6DC3 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:59796 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1Pz9zJ-0002Mc-Te; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:47:18 +0100 Message-ID: <4D7E3883.9010606@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:47:15 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4D7E5C39D3DCA651B6E736BB" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: cabo@tzi.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org/wg/core cycling through inconsistent states X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:46:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4D7E5C39D3DCA651B6E736BB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2011-03-08 12:52 Carsten Bormann said: > It appears that some of the results when you randomly access the > above page are in a different state from the others. E.g., on one of > them draft-ietf-core-coap is not a WG document (but it does have some > recent drafts!). Don't have more precise data yet. There is more than one tools servers, and they run their update scripts with different speed (because they differ in CPU power and bandwidth) which is bound to result in occasional differences, which should not persist. Currently I don't see any differences in the WG document section of the pages, but there are some differences in which related documents have been marked with replaced-by information. I'll see if I can figure out why. Best, Henrik --------------enig4D7E5C39D3DCA651B6E736BB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk1+OIQACgkQeVhrtTJkXCNYUACeMo2QwRvsYjtkfwXroxAZ4q8P 5KsAnAxc1fZxXCNwxDefhV/mb1hZTSO9 =katb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4D7E5C39D3DCA651B6E736BB-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Mar 14 09:00:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8606B3A6E56 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:00:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.489 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.489 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.189, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CWgACJIXSsWN for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B419F3A6E43 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:59904 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1PzAD9-0007mr-Rk; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:01:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4D7E3BDE.5010500@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:01:34 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigABA9AB44D2D978500C7602FC" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: cabo@tzi.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Fwd=3A_=23120_=28Re=3A_=5Bcore?= =?windows-1252?q?=5D_=23107=3A_Remove_Max-Age_from_requests=2E=2E=2E=29_?= =?windows-1252?q?=96_core?= X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:00:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigABA9AB44D2D978500C7602FC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2011-03-09 18:00 Carsten Bormann said: > I apologize for opening too many issues this week... No no, please keep the reports coming! > This time we have a new ticket that appears to have been opened by a re= sponse to an old one. > (See the weird subject of this message or: >=20 > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/core/trac/ticket/120 Hmm. The email2trac component is set up to not create new issues, only to update existing ones. Additionally, I can't find any trace of this in the log files -- the entries which email2trac has seen during the last 6 days are these: Mar 13 20:55:02 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] #118: Block URI= Transmission Mar 11 01:01:09 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] #123: Etag siz= e Mar 11 01:04:11 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] coap #101 (new= ): Review media type registry Mar 11 01:05:05 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] coap #101 (new= ): Review media type registry Mar 11 03:23:38 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] #95: Remove hie= rarchy recommendation Mar 11 03:51:58 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] #126: Drop Lif= etime Mar 9 17:16:29 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] #117: Block Res= ponse Code Mapping I'll see if I can update the code to more clearly show if an entry has be= en updated by email rather than directly through a browser, and also review the possible paths for creating a new issue, as opposed to updating an issue. > Core is participating in the "mailing list can respond to tracker" expe= riment.) And it's appreciated! :-) Best, Henrik --------------enigABA9AB44D2D978500C7602FC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk1+O94ACgkQeVhrtTJkXCPAcQCfUJi/ogIyBBmHr+4z+tsGqyx7 dIMAn1yZKoin3D3dWuUCFW9+pWcphkdA =r/m/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigABA9AB44D2D978500C7602FC-- From cabo@tzi.org Mon Mar 14 10:28:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D65D3A6DD4 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:28:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iS3b0WwKRizK for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634883A6DD3 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:28:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2EHTgtr007448; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:29:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.217.112] (p5489B1EE.dip.t-dialin.net [84.137.177.238]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C915FFED; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:29:41 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <4D7E3BDE.5010500@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:29:40 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4D7E3BDE.5010500@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Fwd=3A_=23120_=28Re=3A_=5Bcore?= =?windows-1252?q?=5D_=23107=3A_Remove_Max-Age_from_requests=2E=2E=2E=29_?= =?windows-1252?q?=96_core?= X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:28:28 -0000 On Mar 14, 2011, at 17:01, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Mar 13 20:55:02 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] #118: Block = URI Transmission Led to #128 > Mar 11 01:01:09 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] #123: Etag = size Led to #124 > Mar 11 01:04:11 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] coap #101 = (new): Review media type registry > Mar 11 01:05:05 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] coap #101 = (new): Review media type registry Aha! These two actually did go in right! One difference in the Subject is that there is a component name in front = of the ticket number and a status behind it. So what made the original message have those when the others didn't? The one that worked came from: From: core issue tracker It was the original announcement of the ticket. All the others (above and below) came from: From: core issue tracker They were comments entered to the ticket. There we have one explanation! > Mar 11 03:23:38 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] #95: Remove = hierarchy recommendation Led to #125 > Mar 11 03:51:58 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] #126: Drop = Lifetime Led to #127 > Mar 9 17:16:29 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] #117: Block = Response Code Mapping Led to #122 (And, as the subject says, we also have #120, from Mar 7.) Gruesse, Carsten From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Mar 14 10:36:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336163A6DD2 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:36:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.170, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N5uiwCssLW9c for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FDA3A6D6C for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35364 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1PzBhz-0001ye-Dx; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:37:31 +0100 Message-ID: <4D7E525A.70605@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:37:30 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: <4D7E3BDE.5010500@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4D7E3BDE.5010500@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig5441CF8CB5B2DEBE45CB55AB" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: cabo@tzi.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Fwd=3A_=23120_=28Re=3A_=5Bcore?= =?windows-1252?q?=5D_=23107=3A_Remove_Max-Age_from_requests=2E=2E=2E=29_?= =?windows-1252?q?=96_core?= X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:36:16 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig5441CF8CB5B2DEBE45CB55AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2011-03-14 17:01 Henrik Levkowetz said: =2E.. > I'll see if I can update the code to more clearly show if an entry has = been > updated by email rather than directly through a browser, and also revie= w > the possible paths for creating a new issue, as opposed to updating an > issue. I've identified additional paths to ticket creation, and added a configur= ation setting to enable/disable this for all paths. Email2trac now also inserts a line at the beginning of the comment body indicating that the comment has been received by email and inserted by email2trac. Best, Henrik --------------enig5441CF8CB5B2DEBE45CB55AB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk1+UlsACgkQeVhrtTJkXCNCfgCg9p/WDv2ZSBOxLCFkr0kolOsP MfkAnAoKGe9WAP1UqOIM24b/qcL3pzJy =xLRF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig5441CF8CB5B2DEBE45CB55AB-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Mar 14 10:56:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99563A6E38 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:56:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.461 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.461 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.161, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s0-pN+2e23DE for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045883A6E25 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:60679 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1PzC1L-0002Z8-QV; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:57:32 +0100 Message-ID: <4D7E570A.4050003@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:57:30 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: <4D7E3BDE.5010500@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC25D86D6FC42F74F7FBAA4F4" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: cabo@tzi.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Fwd=3A_=23120_=28Re=3A_=5Bcore?= =?windows-1252?q?=5D_=23107=3A_Remove_Max-Age_from_requests=2E=2E=2E=29_?= =?windows-1252?q?=96_core?= X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:56:16 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC25D86D6FC42F74F7FBAA4F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2011-03-14 18:29 Carsten Bormann said: > On Mar 14, 2011, at 17:01, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >=20 >> Mar 13 20:55:02 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] #118: Block = URI Transmission > Led to #128 >=20 >> Mar 11 01:01:09 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] #123: Etag = size > Led to #124 >=20 >> Mar 11 01:04:11 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] coap #101 (= new): Review media type registry >> Mar 11 01:05:05 zinfandel email2trac: subject: Re: [core] coap #101 (= new): Review media type registry >=20 > Aha! > These two actually did go in right! > One difference in the Subject is that there is a component name in fron= t of the ticket number and a status behind it. > So what made the original message have those when the others didn't? >=20 > The one that worked came from: > From: core issue tracker > It was the original announcement of the ticket. >=20 > All the others (above and below) came from: > From: core issue tracker > They were comments entered to the ticket. >=20 > There we have one explanation! Right. The messages from the tracker to which the two that worked are replies we= re probably newer; I changed the subject format for some groups to match tha= t which had been requested for others after some discussion. I have now tweaked the regular expression which the subject line has to match so that it should recognize both the old and the new subject format= =2E Best, Henrik --------------enigC25D86D6FC42F74F7FBAA4F4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk1+VwsACgkQeVhrtTJkXCNyTACghoiRydFaZ+U9UleU5+UY5GY8 VL4AoM8r/6/2NjrgfyuZ6iOqfoK8ugzb =bEv2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC25D86D6FC42F74F7FBAA4F4-- From cabo@tzi.org Mon Mar 14 10:57:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B723A6A3A for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:57:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.091 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.091 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.142, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zCl6E1-aEdEr for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817B73A6D80 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2EHxASo015626; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:59:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.217.112] (p5489B1EE.dip.t-dialin.net [84.137.177.238]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 686E7FFD; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:59:10 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <4D7E525A.70605@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:59:02 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4F647A0B-7179-4596-AB33-8140161A8C9D@tzi.org> References: <4D7E3BDE.5010500@levkowetz.com> <4D7E525A.70605@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.2 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Fwd=3A_=23120_=28Re=3A_=5Bcore?= =?windows-1252?q?=5D_=23107=3A_Remove_Max-Age_from_requests=2E=2E=2E=29_?= =?windows-1252?q?=96_core?= X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:57:56 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Interestingly, the messages from "core issue tracker" = this morning have an empty reply-to, so replies don't get back to the = issue tracker unless that is specifically added back. I'll now try putting back -- which one is right? Gruesse, Carsten On Mar 14, 2011, at 18:37, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 2011-03-14 17:01 Henrik Levkowetz said: > ... >> I'll see if I can update the code to more clearly show if an entry = has been >> updated by email rather than directly through a browser, and also = review >> the possible paths for creating a new issue, as opposed to updating = an >> issue. >=20 > I've identified additional paths to ticket creation, and added a = configuration > setting to enable/disable this for all paths. >=20 > Email2trac now also inserts a line at the beginning of the comment = body > indicating that the comment has been received by email and inserted by > email2trac. >=20 >=20 > Best, >=20 > Henrik >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNfldsAAoJEOJNa+ZMLyoiQ9IP/1D/r30ZAeveIFIsqWDemRQf gEI2txn7xkkP0inefA65ErRkGLvR79SWoB26OfrLTWI4YQ/TPbrIOMlc251Mqulj NZ3ha/gaGFlxRTveiHipZEHzzF2EKiayQSGvbcYX51fvN4nUZGPBmQYPgwS+rAge fwTiwBFpBBDl1aAJA+4wSgAr7yWWF49BMyUp2w4E/6nm9MAnua3d0BZMIaPhFvac VP8GGuvkDNW4uFFLGs7D5y4Wh010tV9o7r1qaOKwLKMcl/w6v+q6bwF5c7Cj3wjJ YWFHsHmrsLLa4PpXlyqiYvwqt8WqKZnocDBYy6doR24eikabCJvPo9ucPe2+77AL 3fInRe7OispeEBpbj+sn98ZsrrYbpJ8pmHl8Mqorhqm5I5P/2qmbRheNsQBwt2j6 vXs7xYhUpWFBbOmARfPMx5T15vJa13pSVy7QQhXxxpRMnCxa064GF7dnrzWhLFAv rw4RGbnsG/jjvniX99ATLzAwG//xcS3+qdhTviidRGQDz1Aty53HTJZFuBo0gOnd YB06GTukBpR0SRoZ4Gj/211amgrFeZGz2YbT7Bz7d+uFVNYTixACApwlEerAT5Mo hrD8IYEgoIGATP8e8IoV5h/4/C/mbTIYAgM7Tcs/Wrhrgg5vxJIggopLk+Q5rHHI OQxBduUmeCQ1EBALptxS =3D8ahp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Mar 15 01:34:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389293A6C62 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 01:34:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.154, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sot9B0nezyzk for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 01:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF61F3A6AB0 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 01:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:65406 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1PzPil-0005MI-Eu; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:35:16 +0100 Message-ID: <4D7F24C2.3070606@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:35:14 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: <4D7E3BDE.5010500@levkowetz.com> <4D7E525A.70605@levkowetz.com> <4F647A0B-7179-4596-AB33-8140161A8C9D@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <4F647A0B-7179-4596-AB33-8140161A8C9D@tzi.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7FD60FBF86109660C311F0D3" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: cabo@tzi.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Fwd=3A_=23120_=28Re=3A_=5Bcore?= =?windows-1252?q?=5D_=23107=3A_Remove_Max-Age_from_requests=2E=2E=2E=29_?= =?windows-1252?q?=96_core?= X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:34:01 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7FD60FBF86109660C311F0D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2011-03-14 18:59 Carsten Bormann said: > Interestingly, the messages from "core issue tracker" > this morning have an empty reply-to, so replies don't get back to the i= ssue tracker unless that is specifically added back. > I'll now try putting back -- which one is right? is right. I can easily configure th= e tracker to set reply-to to that, too; but that would possibly loose the list address, instead. Reply-to-all should do the right thing in both cases, but I don't know whether it's better to have reply-to set to the tracker or not. I'll change it to have this field set now, but please le= t me know if you want that changed again. Best, Henrik > Gruesse, Carsten >=20 > On Mar 14, 2011, at 18:37, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 2011-03-14 17:01 Henrik Levkowetz said: >> ... >>> I'll see if I can update the code to more clearly show if an entry ha= s been >>> updated by email rather than directly through a browser, and also rev= iew >>> the possible paths for creating a new issue, as opposed to updating a= n >>> issue. >=20 >> I've identified additional paths to ticket creation, and added a confi= guration >> setting to enable/disable this for all paths. >=20 >> Email2trac now also inserts a line at the beginning of the comment bod= y >> indicating that the comment has been received by email and inserted by= >> email2trac. >=20 >=20 >> Best, >=20 >> Henrik >=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 --------------enig7FD60FBF86109660C311F0D3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk1/JMIACgkQeVhrtTJkXCPTkQCeKQRZNdqCWKXOzNFHhtE45xn6 TpUAn3gAx/U9v5/jJfpuayCIh0zBGywn =NyUa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7FD60FBF86109660C311F0D3-- From pekkas@netcore.fi Tue Mar 15 02:42:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113823A6C46 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:42:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.592 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.592 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TCccvcfg5hP2 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcore.fi (eunet-gw.ipv6.netcore.fi [IPv6:2001:670:86:3001::1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F9F3A6C3D for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcore.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p2F9hMbk003332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:43:22 +0200 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id p2F9hLCA003329 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:43:22 +0200 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:43:21 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (LRH 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org reachability issues X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:42:06 -0000 FYI, One of the tools.ietf.org servers, 2001:2f8:1005:f030::100 located (apparently) in Japan appears to be unreachable, causing in very long timeouts (in the order of minutes, sigh..). Maybe remove it from the list until it's back up? -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Mar 15 07:40:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2473A6D85 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:40:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id exIwiBnc8Bn8 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC41E3A6D72 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:52277 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1PzVRJ-0005Xi-RD; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:41:38 +0100 Message-ID: <4D7F7AA1.70803@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:41:37 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pekka Savola References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3C2E5ABA67EC7F8EF9C8E97B" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: pekkas@netcore.fi, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org reachability issues X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:40:24 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3C2E5ABA67EC7F8EF9C8E97B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pekka, On 2011-03-15 10:43 Pekka Savola said: > FYI, >=20 > One of the tools.ietf.org servers, 2001:2f8:1005:f030::100 located=20 > (apparently) in Japan appears to be unreachable, causing in very long=20 > timeouts (in the order of minutes, sigh..). Maybe remove it from the=20 > list until it's back up? Done. The rotating power cuts in Japan was the reason it went offline. We're keeping it out of the DNS record for tools.ietf.org till we know more about possible recurrences. Best, Henrik --------------enig3C2E5ABA67EC7F8EF9C8E97B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk1/eqEACgkQeVhrtTJkXCOo7QCgzEzngjiVPpx7hpK5QjnypBqB VQIAoLib3C+ssUoMTUgcDnqw1MFhBoNe =CzkU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3C2E5ABA67EC7F8EF9C8E97B-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Mar 16 03:23:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF433A68FE for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:23:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nf5b2HG8mS-h for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9913A68EE for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:59390 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1Pzntj-000090-8Z; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:24:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4D808FC9.9080603@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:24:09 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: <4D7F7AA1.70803@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE5BFC221BE5109B74291454E" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: cabo@tzi.org, pekkas@netcore.fi, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Pekka Savola , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org synchronization issue X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:23:01 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE5BFC221BE5109B74291454E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2011-03-15 18:23 Carsten Bormann said: > While we are talking about the multi-server situation: >=20 > When I go to http://tools.ietf.org/wg/core/ > I more or less alternate between the following two listings: > The first one is correct wrt the replaced-by, the second one is more co= mplete but less correct. > (Both screenshots are less than 30 minutes old.) >=20 > This can make it rather surprising to refer people to that page... The major issue here was that the secretariat mistakenly had bumped the revision of draft-bormann-core-coap-block twice at some point, leading to data about a -01 rev messing up my history for the document. They bump the revision as part of managing tombstones with the current system. Bah. I don't like to have wrong info in the database, which the fake revision number is ... The replacement-info came in appropriately for -00 later, but wasn't visible because the scripts didn't like to apply -00 info to a draft which seemingly was in -01 ... I've also fixed another discrepancy on all servers (except the one in Japan, which is unavailable right now because of the rotating power cuts which are necessary there now). Best, Henrik --------------enigE5BFC221BE5109B74291454E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk2Aj8oACgkQeVhrtTJkXCNZHgCeLH1n/gDNhQM7JS1T9OsBLXA3 kCkAn26Toxn5QrgJKElMjBFi3hGiXJp7 =EBu0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigE5BFC221BE5109B74291454E-- From cabo@tzi.org Tue Mar 15 10:22:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E4F3A6D7D for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:22:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.179 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.179 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0ntsYtq9J9gw for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5523A69F9 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:22:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2FHNYJe022723; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:23:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (reingewinn.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.218.123]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 034A2563; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:23:34 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--219933664 From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <4D7F7AA1.70803@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:23:33 +0100 Message-Id: References: <4D7F7AA1.70803@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 07:51:16 -0700 Cc: Pekka Savola , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org synchronization issue X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:22:21 -0000 --Apple-Mail-3--219933664 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While we are talking about the multi-server situation: When I go to http://tools.ietf.org/wg/core/ I more or less alternate between the following two listings: The first one is correct wrt the replaced-by, the second one is more = complete but less correct. (Both screenshots are less than 30 minutes old.) This can make it rather surprising to refer people to that page... 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stefan@aaa-sec.com Fri Mar 18 06:55:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1203A6903 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:55:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.866 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.866 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.383, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RdU2QoOW5vqS for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.95.115]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAD53A68A9 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s60.loopia.se (s34.loopia.se [194.9.94.70]) by s87.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D397D3BA35F for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:56:34 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 74594 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2011 13:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.8]) (stefan@fiddler.nu@[85.235.10.93]) (envelope-sender ) by s60.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 18 Mar 2011 13:56:29 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.0.101115 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:56:26 +0100 From: Stefan Santesson To: Julian Reschke , Alice Hagens Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] page breaking - Re: xml2rfc community comments In-Reply-To: <4D774B62.8010804@gmx.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] page breaking - Re: xml2rfc community comments X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:55:05 -0000 I think this nails down on one essential issue with respect to nroff and XML. What is the best editing format? XML is an extremely fine markup language. It's great for marking up data in whatever form you have it. As such it is a perfect format for transmitting data and providing data to a process. It is NOT designed to be an editing format. At most it is designed to be human readable and text based which gives it some advantages over ASN.1 in some applications. I feel sometimes that XML is favored by some in IETF as editing language since it is more modern. Yet we can conclude that Nroff in fact is used for formatting even the XML edited documents because it simply works better for controlling formatting. The simple reason being that nroff, as it is used today, captures not only data, but also formatting rules better than the current use of XML. I also assume that brining the use of XML editing to the level of Nroff here, would negatively effect the editing experience with XML. The heart of the issue is to provide a good editing experience, which gives the editor control over formatting as well as text editing. In that sense it is of minor interest what format is used for internal markup (XML, nroff, HTML, XHTML, JSON or whatever) as long as the transition from edit to markup can be don unambiguously. Editing in pure text unfortunately does not provide what is needed, nor does currently editing in word. Neither can unambiguously be translated to markup that can be archived. XML does work to capture information, but in it's current use can't capture formatting very well. Nroff is the only format that currently does it all and at the same time provides good readability during edit process. I don't believe the right answer is to try to write tons of code that figures out what an XML draft with incomplete formatting information probably should look like, but to give the drafters and editors efficient tools to shape documents in the edit process. /Stefan On 11-03-09 10:41 AM, "Julian Reschke" wrote: >On 09.03.2011 00:28, Alice Hagens wrote: >> The RFC Production Center agrees with the following 2 comments >>regarding page breaking in the text output of xml2rfc. >> >> Christopher Dearlove wrote: >>> ... regarding page control issues. Currently tables can >>> be split (badly) and captions of tables and figures put on >>> separate pages to their table or figure. Less critical, but >>> while I'm on a wish list, I don't like section headings at >>> the foot of a page while the section starts on the next page. >> >> Similarly, John Klensin wrote: >>> better handling of widows and orphans >>> (especially with regard to section title-text and lists with >>> undented headings top my personal list, >> >> >> Julian Reschke wrote: >>> From the practical point of view: I'd simply not worry about where >>>page breaks end up in internet drafts. Let the RFC production center >>>deal with it when the time is ripe. >> >> Currently, the RPC deals with it by converting XML to nroff, then >>handling page breaks using commands in the nroff. Historically, the RFC >>Editor has been encouraged to switch to XML entirely, i.e., abandon the >>intermediary nroff step; this would be more feasible if the handling of >>page-breaking were improved. >> >> Perhaps the RFP could include improved placement of page breaks. >> ... > >I absolutely do agree that *if* we have a tool that produces paginated >text, it should work well. Which means, that it should *automatically* >create page breaks in the right places. This means, that additional >hints in the source file normally should not be needed. > >What I said above was directed at people who waste (IMHO) time tuning >the page-breaking for temporary documents. > >BR, Julian >_______________________________________________ >Tools-discuss mailing list >Tools-discuss@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From stefan@aaa-sec.com Fri Mar 18 07:11:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946C93A68D5 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:11:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.353, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GKxRhIkJuFy1 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.95.115]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC1A3A68B1 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s57.loopia.se (s34.loopia.se [194.9.94.70]) by s87.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95194547D6 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:12:07 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 89488 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2011 14:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.8]) (stefan@fiddler.nu@[85.235.10.93]) (envelope-sender ) by s57.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 18 Mar 2011 14:12:02 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.0.101115 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:11:58 +0100 From: Stefan Santesson To: Tools Team Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: URL query-string for comparison against local files In-Reply-To: <4D774B62.8010804@gmx.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] URL query-string for comparison against local files X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:11:53 -0000 I have a question regarding the current tools for document comparison. It is currently possible to specify a local text file to be compared against a current draft located through a URL. http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff Currently it is only specified how you can request such diff check if both documents can be located using http access. Would it be possible to request diff check also against a locally stored file using a URL query-string? If that is possible, then I would love to incorporate a feature in NroffEdit that would allow you to check you current edit file towards a past draft on a single click, e.g. By requesting the default browser to dereference a URL query-string specifying the local text file and the http location of a previous draft. /Stefan From stefan@aaa-sec.com Fri Mar 18 07:22:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5AE3A695F for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:22:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.921 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.921 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.328, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JAKnazapojz2 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.95.115]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047763A693A for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s57.loopia.se (s34.loopia.se [194.9.94.70]) by s87.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC36F453869 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:21:12 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 41136 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2011 14:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.8]) (stefan@fiddler.nu@[85.235.10.93]) (envelope-sender ) by s57.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 18 Mar 2011 14:21:07 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.0.101115 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:21:04 +0100 From: Stefan Santesson To: IETF TOOLS discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: New version of NroffEdit released In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] New version of NroffEdit released X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:22:27 -0000 A new version of NroffEdit is released. Download from: http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/nroffedit/download.html Some information about added features are also available here: http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/nroffedit/faqbugs.html /Stefan From tony@att.com Fri Mar 18 07:27:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC0B3A68D5 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:27:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.135, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tk+g78FgCX5K for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4723A68A9 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:27:25 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1300458534!9595625!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 25358 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2011 14:28:54 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-11.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 18 Mar 2011 14:28:54 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2IETHmR029116 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:29:17 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2IETA5T028977 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:29:10 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2IESjKe007655 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:28:46 -0400 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2IEScqw007373 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:28:38 -0400 Received: from [135.70.212.160] (vpn-135-70-212-160.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.212.160]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20110318142837gw100e4lg6e> (Authid: tony); Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:28:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.212.160] Message-ID: <4D836C15.3020704@att.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:28:37 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] URL query-string for comparison against local files X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:27:28 -0000 If you go to tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff, you'll find that you can upload locally stored files using the form there. That is, in addition to the parameters url1 and url2, there are also optional type=file parameters named filename1 and filename2. Tony Hansen tony@att.com On 3/18/2011 10:11 AM, Stefan Santesson wrote: > I have a question regarding the current tools for document comparison. > > It is currently possible to specify a local text file to be compared > against a current draft located through a URL. > > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff > > Currently it is only specified how you can request such diff check if both > documents can be located using http access. > > Would it be possible to request diff check also against a locally stored > file using a URL query-string? > > If that is possible, then I would love to incorporate a feature in > NroffEdit that would allow you to check you current edit file towards a > past draft on a single click, e.g. By requesting the default browser to > dereference a URL query-string specifying the local text file and the http > location of a previous draft. > > /Stefan From stefan@aaa-sec.com Sun Mar 20 12:18:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40723A6ADE for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 12:18:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.991 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.991 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.258, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TS5L3+Ac48Cw for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 12:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.95.115]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F6A3A6AD0 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 12:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s19.loopia.se (s34.loopia.se [194.9.94.70]) by s87.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7342B69DE for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:18:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 98919 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2011 19:18:02 -0000 Received: from 213-64-142-247-no153.business.telia.com (HELO [192.168.1.2]) (stefan@fiddler.nu@[213.64.142.247]) (envelope-sender ) by s19.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 20 Mar 2011 19:18:02 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.0.101115 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:17:57 +0100 From: Stefan Santesson To: IETF TOOLS discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: NroffEdit integration with IETF tools diff check In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] NroffEdit integration with IETF tools diff check X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:18:53 -0000 I have now integrated NroffEdit with the IETF tools diff checker. While editing you can now on a single button get an IETF tools diff comparison with the draft you are working on in its current state. There is also a feature to upload a document to get a permanent diff url for distribution. Download from: http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/nroffedit/download.html http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/nroffedit/faqbugs.html /Stefan > From mnot@mnot.net Tue Mar 22 16:24:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC21C28C0F8 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:24:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.18 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.18 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.583, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9MT9QnVfcOck for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229313A6835 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chancetrain-lm.mnot.net (unknown [118.209.52.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3BBAF509DB for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:25:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Nottingham Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-406584104 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:25:31 +1100 References: <20110322130123.GB12433@nic.fr> To: IETF TOOLS discussion Message-Id: <4309FBC6-92C0-4072-8C9C-E54DCD19CBC4@mnot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: [vixie@isc.org: googlebot to the rescue] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:24:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-406584104 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In case this hasn't been seen -- it needs to be fixed (i.e., a GET = shouldn't have such side effects). Cheers, Begin forwarded message: > Resent-From: ietf-http-wg@w3.org > From: Stephane Bortzmeyer > Date: 23 March 2011 12:01:23 AM AEDT > To: HTTP Working Group > Subject: [vixie@isc.org: googlebot to the rescue] > organization: NIC France > archived-at: >=20 > The draft management tool apparently can change the state of a draft > in response to a simple GET... >=20 > Nice violation of the HTTP standard :-) >=20 > From: Paul Vixie > Date: 19 March 2011 2:50:30 AM AEDT > To: dnsext@ietf.org > Subject: googlebot to the rescue >=20 >=20 > i think the 0x20 draft was going nowhere in any case so cancelling it = is fine. >=20 > 148.68.249.66.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer > crawl-66-249-68-148.googlebot.com. >=20 > crawl-66-249-68-148.googlebot.com has address 66.249.68.148 >=20 > it's interesting that it can be done by a web crawler, though. >=20 > re: >=20 >=20 > From: IETF I-D Submission Tool > Date: 18 March 2011 10:36:25 PM AEDT > To: ipr@ietf.org, dagon@cc.gatech.edu, vixie@isc.org > Subject: Submission of draft-vixie-dnsext-dns0x20-00 has been = Cancelled=20 >=20 >=20 > This message is to notify you that submission of an Internet-Draft, = draft-vixie-dnsext-dns0x20-00, has just been cancelled by a user whose = computer has an IP address of 66.249.68.148. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat. >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dnsext mailing list > dnsext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsext >=20 >=20 -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ --Apple-Mail-1-406584104 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii In = case this hasn't been seen -- it needs to be fixed (i.e., a GET = shouldn't have such side = effects).

Cheers,


Begin = forwarded message:

Resent-From: = ietf-http-wg@w3.org
From: Stephane Bortzmeyer = <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
Date: 23 March 2011 = 12:01:23 AM AEDT
To: HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
=
Subject: [vixie@isc.org: = googlebot to the rescue]
organization: NIC France

The = draft management tool apparently can change the state of a draft
in = response to a simple GET...

Nice violation of the HTTP standard = :-)

From: Paul Vixie <vixie@isc.org>
Date: = 19 = March 2011 2:50:30 AM AEDT
Subject: = googlebot to the = rescue


i think the 0x20 draft was going = nowhere in any case so cancelling it is fine.

= 148.68.249.66.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer
crawl-66-249-68-148.goog= lebot.com.

crawl-66-249-68-148.goog= lebot.com has address 66.249.68.148

it's interesting that it = can be done by a web crawler, though.

re:


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Date: 18 March 2011 10:36:25 PM AEDT
Subject: = Submission of draft-vixie-dnsext-dns0x20-00 has = been Cancelled


This message is to notify = you that submission of an Internet-Draft, draft-vixie-dnsext-dns0x20-00, = has just been cancelled by a user whose computer has an IP address of = 66.249.68.148.

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= --Apple-Mail-1-406584104-- From stefan@aaa-sec.com Thu Mar 24 15:23:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0C828C14A for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:23:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.985 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.985 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.264, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EjTSeQG1vGDr for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.95.115]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CF428C13D for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s29.loopia.se (s34.loopia.se [194.9.94.70]) by s87.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6AC47F540 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 23:24:56 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 44377 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2011 22:24:48 -0000 Received: from 213-64-142-247-no153.business.telia.com (HELO [192.168.1.2]) (stefan@fiddler.nu@[213.64.142.247]) (envelope-sender ) by s29.loopia.se (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 24 Mar 2011 22:24:48 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.0.101115 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 23:24:45 +0100 From: Stefan Santesson To: Tony Hansen , Tools Team Discussion Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] URL query-string for comparison against local files In-Reply-To: <4D836C15.3020704@att.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] URL query-string for comparison against local files X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:23:45 -0000 Hi, Maybe I was unclear, or maybe I lack some knowledge here. I don't want to use the form at the tools webpage. I want to launch the check from my Java application. I would like to open a browser from my Java application that not only opens the rfcdiff webpage, but also, by the means of a URL query string, provides the name of the local file(s) and the URL(s) to compare and launches the comparison. In other word, the click of one button in my app results in the done diff shows up in my browser. Is that possible, or did you just tell me that but I failed to understand? /Stefan On 11-03-18 3:28 PM, "Tony Hansen" wrote: >If you go to tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff, you'll find that you can upload >locally stored files using the form there. > >That is, in addition to the parameters url1 and url2, there are also >optional type=file parameters named filename1 and filename2. > > Tony Hansen > tony@att.com > >On 3/18/2011 10:11 AM, Stefan Santesson wrote: >> I have a question regarding the current tools for document comparison. >> >> It is currently possible to specify a local text file to be compared >> against a current draft located through a URL. >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff >> >> Currently it is only specified how you can request such diff check if >>both >> documents can be located using http access. >> >> Would it be possible to request diff check also against a locally stored >> file using a URL query-string? >> >> If that is possible, then I would love to incorporate a feature in >> NroffEdit that would allow you to check you current edit file towards a >> past draft on a single click, e.g. By requesting the default browser to >> dereference a URL query-string specifying the local text file and the >>http >> location of a previous draft. >> >> /Stefan >_______________________________________________ >Tools-discuss mailing list >Tools-discuss@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From tony@att.com Thu Mar 24 19:25:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B733A6856 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:25:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.439 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.160, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lypqyJlm+xVA for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05BC3A67B0 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:25:32 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1301020026!9558826!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 26418 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2011 02:27:07 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-14.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 25 Mar 2011 02:27:07 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2P2RU7C027295 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:27:30 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2P2RPs4027254 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:27:25 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2P2R1wh031592 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:27:01 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2P2R0Ul031585 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:27:00 -0400 Received: from [135.70.49.231] (vpn-135-70-49-231.vpn.west.att.com[135.70.49.231]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20110325022634gw100e4l4ee> (Authid: tony); Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:26:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.49.231] Message-ID: <4D8BFC53.2000109@att.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:22:11 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] URL query-string for comparison against local files X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:25:33 -0000 What you want to do cannot be done using a GET invocation -- it must be done using a POST invocation of the rfcdiff URL. That's because you need to send the file as part of the payload. You would format the POST input using enctype="multipart/form-data" -- do a quick search on the web and you'll find lots of information on how to send data to a web address using that format and POST, and how to write the java code to do so. There are a half dozen parameters than can be specified for the rfcdiff tool, including either file1 (the contents of the first file) OR url1 (a URL pointing at the contents of the first file), and either file2 (the contents of the second file) OR url2 (a URL pointing at the contents of the second file). (See the rfcdiff html source code to find out what the other parameters are.) You probably want to use url1 and file2 for your application. You'll then get back the HTML web page showing the diff between the two files. Write that to a file (probably with a suffix of .html) and invoke your web browser to display it. Tony Hansen On 3/24/2011 6:24 PM, Stefan Santesson wrote: > Hi, > > Maybe I was unclear, or maybe I lack some knowledge here. > I don't want to use the form at the tools webpage. I want to launch the > check from my Java application. > > I would like to open a browser from my Java application that not only > opens the rfcdiff webpage, but also, by the means of a URL query string, > provides the name of the local file(s) and the URL(s) to compare and > launches the comparison. > > In other word, the click of one button in my app results in the done diff > shows up in my browser. > > Is that possible, or did you just tell me that but I failed to understand? > > /Stefan > > > On 11-03-18 3:28 PM, "Tony Hansen" wrote: > >> If you go to tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff, you'll find that you can upload >> locally stored files using the form there. >> >> That is, in addition to the parameters url1 and url2, there are also >> optional type=file parameters named filename1 and filename2. >> >> Tony Hansen >> tony@att.com >> >> On 3/18/2011 10:11 AM, Stefan Santesson wrote: >>> I have a question regarding the current tools for document comparison. >>> >>> It is currently possible to specify a local text file to be compared >>> against a current draft located through a URL. >>> >>> http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff >>> >>> Currently it is only specified how you can request such diff check if >>> both >>> documents can be located using http access. >>> >>> Would it be possible to request diff check also against a locally stored >>> file using a URL query-string? >>> >>> If that is possible, then I would love to incorporate a feature in >>> NroffEdit that would allow you to check you current edit file towards a >>> past draft on a single click, e.g. By requesting the default browser to >>> dereference a URL query-string specifying the local text file and the >>> http >>> location of a previous draft. >>> >>> /Stefan From henrik@levkowetz.com Sat Mar 26 02:22:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624B63A6903 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 02:22:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.625 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.625 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zAZkGpfGbIA6 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 02:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786E63A683B for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 02:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2001:df8:0:16:e2f8:47ff:fe1b:d17a] (port=56316 helo=dhcp-1606.meeting.ietf.org) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3Pil-00015y-4o; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:23:49 +0100 Message-ID: <4D8DB09D.6040307@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:23:41 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Nottingham References: <20110322130123.GB12433@nic.fr> <4309FBC6-92C0-4072-8C9C-E54DCD19CBC4@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: <4309FBC6-92C0-4072-8C9C-E54DCD19CBC4@mnot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2001:df8:0:16:e2f8:47ff:fe1b:d17a X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: mnot@mnot.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: [vixie@isc.org: googlebot to the rescue] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:22:29 -0000 Hi, The new draft submission tool doesn't have this problem. I'm about to start merging that code to the trunk of the datatracker svn repository in something like 10 minutes from now, and do the first deployment today. Best, Henrik On 2011-03-23 00:25 Mark Nottingham said the following: > In case this hasn't been seen -- it needs to be fixed (i.e., a GET shouldn't have such side effects). > > Cheers, > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> *Resent-From: *ietf-http-wg@w3.org >> *From: *Stephane Bortzmeyer > >> *Date: *23 March 2011 12:01:23 AM AEDT >> *To: *HTTP Working Group > >> *Subject: **[vixie@isc.org: googlebot to the rescue]* >> *organization: *NIC France >> *archived-at: * >> >> The draft management tool apparently can change the state of a draft >> in response to a simple GET... >> >> Nice violation of the HTTP standard :-) >> >> *From: *Paul Vixie > >> *Date: *19 March 2011 2:50:30 AM AEDT >> *To: *dnsext@ietf.org >> *Subject: **googlebot to the rescue* >> >> >> i think the 0x20 draft was going nowhere in any case so cancelling it is fine. >> >> 148.68.249.66.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer >> crawl-66-249-68-148.googlebot.com . >> >> crawl-66-249-68-148.googlebot.com has address 66.249.68.148 >> >> it's interesting that it can be done by a web crawler, though. >> >> re: >> >> >> *From: *IETF I-D Submission Tool > >> *Date: *18 March 2011 10:36:25 PM AEDT >> *To: *ipr@ietf.org , dagon@cc.gatech.edu , vixie@isc.org >> *Subject: **Submission of draft-vixie-dnsext-dns0x20-00 has been Cancelled * >> >> >> This message is to notify you that submission of an Internet-Draft, draft-vixie-dnsext-dns0x20-00, has just been cancelled by a user whose computer has an IP address of 66.249.68.148. >> >> The IETF Secretariat. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dnsext mailing list >> dnsext@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsext >> >> > > -- > Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From henrik@levkowetz.com Sat Mar 26 02:29:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D7A28C108 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 02:29:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.625 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.625 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uNNRf26bjnF2 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 02:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E91B3A683B for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 02:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2001:df8:0:16:e2f8:47ff:fe1b:d17a] (port=56338 helo=dhcp-1606.meeting.ietf.org) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3Ppr-00005n-Qu; Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:31:10 +0100 Message-ID: <4D8DB25A.90005@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:31:06 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Nottingham References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2001:df8:0:16:e2f8:47ff:fe1b:d17a X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: mnot@mnot.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Draft formats in datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:29:44 -0000 Hi Mark, On 2011-03-09 09:00 Mark Nottingham said the following: > Datatracker currently makes the following formats available (e.g., > on): > > plain text, xml, pdf, html > > A few issues/suggestions: > > 1. The "main" page for a draft contains only the first ~2 pages of > the draft. Does this serve any practical function? Why not include > the whole thing? There are still people who are behind very thin pipes (at least from time to time) -- not including the whole text automatically was done to accommodate them. You can set a personal cookie to get the whole draft by default, but we should add a link to the page where you set that up at the bottom of the 2-page chunk. > 2. The "html" version is an html-adorned text/plain draft. Julian's > XSLT produces good HTML -- why not link to it? Or, at least make it > available; right now people have to click first on the 'html' version > here, then click on the 'html' version in the resulting page (on > tools.) -- very confusing. Ideally, since this is the Web, the > (xslt-generated) HTML version should be the default representation. We could show 2 links if both a xslt-produced and a html-adorned version is available. The preference for the xslt-produced version does not seem to be universal, so providing both makes sense; and not all drafts are submitted with .xml source, so the xslt-produced version will not always be available. > 3. Julian says that his XSLT is also capable of generating epub > files, and with minimal modification, should be able to generate HTML > suitable for input into Amazon's KindleGen program. Can the resulting > files (.epub and .mobi) be lined as alternative formats as well? A > growing number of IETFers are using ebook readers. I think that sounds like a very nice enhancement. > If these are desirable changes, I could work on them at the sprint, > possible (I'm arriving that day from AU, and may be quite > jetlagged). If you're not too jetlagged, that sounds great! Best, Henrik From mnot@mnot.net Sun Mar 27 06:58:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C78628C142 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 06:58:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-4.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BFHd2FGICBlr for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 06:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2C928C14D for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 06:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-57ae.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [130.129.87.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DCB1D509B3; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <4D8DB25A.90005@levkowetz.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:59:26 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4DB1B306-0031-4DB1-9154-CD16BEC83921@mnot.net> References: <4D8DB25A.90005@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Draft formats in datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:58:01 -0000 Hi Henrik, Thanks. Responses below. If you want to talk sometime this week, I'm around. On 26/03/2011, at 10:31 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Mark, > > On 2011-03-09 09:00 Mark Nottingham said the following: >> Datatracker currently makes the following formats available (e.g., >> on): >> >> plain text, xml, pdf, html >> >> A few issues/suggestions: >> >> 1. The "main" page for a draft contains only the first ~2 pages of >> the draft. Does this serve any practical function? Why not include >> the whole thing? > > There are still people who are behind very thin pipes (at least from > time to time) -- not including the whole text automatically was done > to accommodate them. You can set a personal cookie to get the whole > draft by default, but we should add a link to the page where you set > that up at the bottom of the 2-page chunk. OK. >> 2. The "html" version is an html-adorned text/plain draft. Julian's >> XSLT produces good HTML -- why not link to it? Or, at least make it >> available; right now people have to click first on the 'html' version >> here, then click on the 'html' version in the resulting page (on >> tools.) -- very confusing. Ideally, since this is the Web, the >> (xslt-generated) HTML version should be the default representation. > > We could show 2 links if both a xslt-produced and a html-adorned version > is available. The preference for the xslt-produced version does not > seem to be universal, so providing both makes sense; and not all drafts > are submitted with .xml source, so the xslt-produced version will not > always be available. Makes sense. >> 3. Julian says that his XSLT is also capable of generating epub >> files, and with minimal modification, should be able to generate HTML >> suitable for input into Amazon's KindleGen program. Can the resulting >> files (.epub and .mobi) be lined as alternative formats as well? A >> growing number of IETFers are using ebook readers. > > I think that sounds like a very nice enhancement. > >> If these are desirable changes, I could work on them at the sprint, >> possible (I'm arriving that day from AU, and may be quite >> jetlagged). > > If you're not too jetlagged, that sounds great! Unfortunately I was. :-/ Regardless, I'm willing to help if possible. Cheers, -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From tony@att.com Wed Mar 30 04:35:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8CE28C162; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:35:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.466 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.466 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.133, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ADcbuK9uTDYr; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E8E28C15B; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1301485010!10338273!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 9192 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2011 11:36:51 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-14.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 30 Mar 2011 11:36:51 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UBbE2V017763; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:37:14 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UBbAho017722; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:37:10 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UBaj5P023732; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:36:45 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UBagAb023646; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:36:42 -0400 Received: from [135.70.221.51] (vpn-135-70-221-51.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.221.51]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20110330113640gw100e4lhfe> (Authid: tony); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:36:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.221.51] Message-ID: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:36:39 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion , RFC Interest , XML2RFC Interest Group , RFC Editor , Glenn Kowack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:35:13 -0000 One of the areas people still complain about with respect to writing internet drafts is how to get started. So I've been playing around with a tool to help create the xml2rfc XML for a -00 internet draft. It works in wizard fashion, asking you a variety of questions and generates the XML on the fly. At the end, you can either cut and paste the generated XML or click a download button to save it to a file. Please try it out: http://xml.resource.org/xml2rfc-wizard All thoughts on it are welcome, even if you think it's a horrible idea. If you think it's a good idea, I'd like to hear about improvements to the user interface, where did I go wrong, and what else is needed. Also, any thoughts on where to go from here would be appreciated. Is the notion of a set of wizards a good one? What other wizards would be helpful? I'm thinking that this wizard, and possibly others, would eventually be linked to from the xml.resource.org web page. Tony Hansen tony@att.com From scott.brim@gmail.com Wed Mar 30 04:50:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AAB28C13D; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:50:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.582 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.582 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sjgKsGgct0Al; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CC828C157; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iye19 with SMTP id 19so1358409iye.31 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:52:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=zAdwVWYZqLVW6DRPwzSd2G2y5YlhBrYeC3qnPGbe9Yc=; b=tEVmapCHEpWFmmfTIgPrL/q/efTCV2F0nKhdjaxl3ppvzSuOvPhTuXVr/37UZDFplM OjiHIMAgF9X1x5yNDBHCUhu2OM/j+iWZpy5cwZzwP+QvZTfS+VKLlmvWBdXdRfDuA0YA Yge1vT1j88aSoaYjnfBZ9mYT2U/R2FLW4Trno= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=RAD4Cvro4redhyMpYqXYVDA9m9nARNKl+SvKclQ9GMeJkDREuiz5hZsnf9SsSCr3lR WlzlEWxqrDBzrE9XDscNTCzCIl7GHipiR4Jo24PbRR0MbCbMvLXE+8IeLCnaDO12z2fl 9ndcsX1T/H8iU0bbOcyzciiW6d7xeg3IJZcXw= Received: by 10.43.61.148 with SMTP id ww20mr1148348icb.482.1301485951106; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:52:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.225.133 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:52:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> From: Scott Brim Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:52:11 +0200 Message-ID: To: Tony Hansen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: RFC Interest , Glenn Kowack , XML2RFC Interest Group , Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:50:54 -0000 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 13:36, Tony Hansen wrote: > One of the areas people still complain about with respect to writing > internet drafts is how to get started. > > So I've been playing around with a tool to help create the xml2rfc XML for a > -00 internet draft. It works in wizard fashion, asking you a variety of > questions and generates the XML on the fly. At the end, you can either cut > and paste the generated XML or click a download button to save it to a file. > > Please try it out: http://xml.resource.org/xml2rfc-wizard > > All thoughts on it are welcome, even if you think it's a horrible idea. If > you think it's a good idea, I'd like to hear about improvements to the user > interface, where did I go wrong, and what else is needed. > > Also, any thoughts on where to go from here would be appreciated. Is the > notion of a set of wizards a good one? What other wizards would be helpful? > > I'm thinking that this wizard, and possibly others, would eventually be > linked to from the xml.resource.org web page. Cool! I tried it and ran the xml through xml.resource.org and got this. I don't recall filling in facsimile. I might have. xml2rfc: error: xml2rfc: error: with content model {postal ? phone ? facsimile ? email ? uri ?} for
, seen {postal phone email uri} so far, now expecting
, but not around input line 40 in "internally-preprocessed XML" Syntax: 40: 29:
27: 25: 24: Source around there is: The Truth About Cats and Dogs ASPCA
6 Green Street Elmwood Ohio 48292 USA catsanddogs@hotmail.com Elmwood
ARF Cats and dogs like each other. From cabo@tzi.org Wed Mar 30 04:54:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9934628C13D; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fl+KLPfIQp2P; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2933328C132; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:54:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2UBtitf008643; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:55:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhcp-9066.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [130.129.8.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45E49604; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:55:44 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:55:42 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <87144BC2-8793-408C-814C-EEC2E73E2D85@tzi.org> References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> To: Tony Hansen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: RFC Interest , Glenn Kowack , XML2RFC Interest Group , Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:54:17 -0000 Good stuff. Once you have created the XML hieroglyphics, you might want to try a = tool like kramdown-rfc2629 to write the actual text. (Only will help = you much if you have experienced plaintext "wiki-style" writing as in = markdown etc.) https://github.com/cabo/kramdown-rfc2629 (Just do: gem install kramdown-rfc2629 if your laptop has somewhat recent tools.) JFYI. Gruesse, Carsten From tony@att.com Wed Mar 30 05:21:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BBF28C18E; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:21:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.475 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.475 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.124, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xN-uldiYOz1k; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00A628C154; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:21:02 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1301487761!11702703!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 13914 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2011 12:22:41 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-5.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 30 Mar 2011 12:22:41 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UCN5wV032648; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:23:05 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UCMxaL032567; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:22:59 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UCMYsI010203; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:22:34 -0400 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UCMS80009913; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:22:29 -0400 Received: from [135.70.221.51] (vpn-135-70-221-51.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.221.51]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20110330122226gw100e4lhie> (Authid: tony); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:22:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.221.51] Message-ID: <4D932081.1090004@att.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:22:25 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Brim References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: RFC Interest , Glenn Kowack , XML2RFC Interest Group , Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:21:07 -0000 On 3/30/2011 7:52 AM, Scott Brim wrote: > Cool! > > I tried it and ran the xml through xml.resource.org and got this. I > don't recall filling in facsimile. I might have. Ordering problem -- fixed. Reload to get the fix. One question: should the and similar fields be output even if they're not filled in? In other words, is it better to leave them in as an aid for people to fill in later when they're working on the XML, or is it better to just not list them? Tony From simon@josefsson.org Wed Mar 30 05:22:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC16F28C12F for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:22:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.237 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.237 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.362, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XZn2tBy2m08c for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yxa-v.extundo.com (yxa-v.extundo.com [213.115.69.139]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9B928C185 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from latte.josefsson.org (dhcp-1257.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.18.87]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa-v.extundo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p2UCNq85000644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:23:55 +0200 X-Hashcash: 1:22:110330:tools-discuss@ietf.org::ZP3Ns0gCYV4lCoLt:1XKK From: Simon Josefsson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:23:52 +0200 Message-ID: <871v1o94pz.fsf@latte.josefsson.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110016 (No Gnus v0.16) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at yxa-v X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [Tools-discuss] no ipr link X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:22:35 -0000 Hi, This came up at the EMU WG. There is no link to this patent disclosure: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1519/ from this page: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhou-emu-eap-fastv2-00 The patent disclosure was filed March 18. Is there a long delay? /Simon From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Mar 30 05:46:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28F728C10B for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:46:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.266 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.266 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.667, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0vEQiOXylbKl for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 29C353A68F8 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2011 12:48:29 -0000 Received: from dhcp-536f.meeting.ietf.org (EHLO [130.129.83.111]) [130.129.83.111] by mail.gmx.net (mp060) with SMTP; 30 Mar 2011 14:48:29 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18SL5994MAS68bbcm9CW2dyHTLi19/JTWxFsho08p ums+7xIbpaszhk Message-ID: <4D932697.9080600@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:48:23 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> <4D932081.1090004@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4D932081.1090004@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Glenn Kowack , Tools Team Discussion , XML2RFC Interest Group , RFC Interest , Scott Brim , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:46:53 -0000 On 30.03.2011 14:22, Tony Hansen wrote: > On 3/30/2011 7:52 AM, Scott Brim wrote: >> Cool! >> >> I tried it and ran the xml through xml.resource.org and got this. I >> don't recall filling in facsimile. I might have. > > Ordering problem -- fixed. Reload to get the fix. > > One question: should the and similar fields be output even > if they're not filled in? Nope. > In other words, is it better to leave them in as an aid for people to > fill in later when they're working on the XML, or is it better to just > not list them? You could include them, but comment them out. Best regards, Julian From fred@cisco.com Wed Mar 30 08:39:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E303A6B61; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:39:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OUMgByx18jJq; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C923A6B7A; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:39:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=981; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1301499650; x=1302709250; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wlbK9M5coE9Tc+gH7XUf+3r/E6fXeSthm37ldxz8p/8=; b=IOaW4Sqqp5Sg0bC4K07lvptoRpWUDA2X1NGg6tKDvCEAOC81NO3BkXal YXj+yH9JKbw40PWrkTkJgSG/8wThdnDeqsNsW6a70ZAAMauK092litJdv MYH5soluuVpDM34Z3/KuHN4GHXBCFZs4IcLDdZ41ZhoXVS7Kgh81rfwRs c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8DALxNk02Q/khMgWdsb2JhbAClURQBARYmJaESnGSFagSNBoNV X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,269,1299456000"; d="scan'208";a="23820174" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Mar 2011 15:40:48 +0000 Received: from dhcp-57cd.meeting.ietf.org (ams3-vpn-dhcp5880.cisco.com [10.61.86.247]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2UFei5m025546; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:40:48 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by dhcp-57cd.meeting.ietf.org (PGP Universal service); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:40:48 +0200 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by dhcp-57cd.meeting.ietf.org on Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:40:48 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <4D932081.1090004@att.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:40:36 +0200 Message-Id: References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> <4D932081.1090004@att.com> To: Tony Hansen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Glenn Kowack , Tools Team Discussion , XML2RFC Interest Group , RFC Interest , Scott Brim , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:39:15 -0000 On Mar 30, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: > One question: should the and similar fields be output = even if they're not filled in? That's really a question of the DTD; there are some (organization in the = author block) that are required even if empty, and some that are = required (year in the date specification) but can be inferred by the = tool. What you want to do is "do no harm", and make it easy for the = consumer of the file to know what options they have that they may not = have used. One way to do that is to specify everything even if empty, = and as a quick solution it has something to recommend it. After the = fact, I'm not sure it's all that important, and I could imagine tools = like XMLMind interpreting the DTD and as a result not including them = when *they* store them. I personally don't mind which you do. But if it was me, I would probably = specify them all just to make sure that any subtleties were finessed.= From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Mar 30 09:01:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFFB3A6A48 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:01:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SPeiCbdn+acE for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 597823A6A33 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2011 16:02:47 -0000 Received: from dhcp-536f.meeting.ietf.org (EHLO [130.129.83.111]) [130.129.83.111] by mail.gmx.net (mp029) with SMTP; 30 Mar 2011 18:02:47 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18GXYIIcksGSdtQEGbQBTlqe5jwiUdeHcQPDlrxN9 LlACfVe+iEx9cT Message-ID: <4D935424.6020200@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:02:44 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> <4D932081.1090004@att.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Glenn Kowack , Tools Team Discussion , XML2RFC Interest Group , RFC Interest , Scott Brim , Tony Hansen , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:01:10 -0000 On 30.03.2011 17:40, Fred Baker wrote: > > On Mar 30, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: >> One question: should the and similar fields be output even if they're not filled in? > > That's really a question of the DTD; there are some (organization in the author block) that are required even if empty, and some that are required (year in the date specification) but can be inferred by the tool. What you want to do is "do no harm", and make it easy for the consumer of the file to know what options they have that they may not have used. One way to do that is to specify everything even if empty, and as a quick solution it has something to recommend it. After the fact, I'm not sure it's all that important, and I could imagine tools like XMLMind interpreting the DTD and as a result not including them when *they* store them. isn't required anymore ((I think we changed that in 1.34). > I personally don't mind which you do. But if it was me, I would probably specify them all just to make sure that any subtleties were finessed. Well, absence of an element is different from it being empty. Even íf xml2rfc may treat them the same way we shouldn't rely on that. BR, Julian From jdfalk-lists@cybernothing.org Wed Mar 30 17:37:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECF33A6BE4 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:37:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z5NI2WVSgWHw for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ocelope.disgruntled.net (ocelope.disgruntled.net [97.107.131.76]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65B03A67D3 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.11.36] (c-76-126-154-212.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.126.154.212]) (authenticated bits=0) by ocelope.disgruntled.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p2V0dP3x030021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:39:28 -0700 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.6.0 ocelope.disgruntled.net p2V0dP3x030021 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cybernothing.org; s=triac; t=1301531968; bh=ZWLAh8NaIZEAiY7bfBXyTXljrxNfKcYifccwAFHw5 jc=; h=Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To; b=FUO6eTgwNeMQ SiGtztO6oCX786CGLSe6hm8iKZKd44Z7icg4D6a2NaQPXeaAfp48TwSdmBXDfETvMEF +PiP1KoYMn0yOs+kFFz+RLle30OdAdJHd5fhkZJN/hyQYX3VXZEn3tIaduv6sTf4kN1 vdEroSeurgoaQCIkjnNdHnEvM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "J.D. Falk" In-Reply-To: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:39:25 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <16959664-20EB-4009-9075-325A8428D076@cybernothing.org> References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> To: Tony Hansen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:37:51 -0000 On Mar 30, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: > All thoughts on it are welcome, even if you think it's a horrible = idea. If you think it's a good idea, I'd like to hear about improvements = to the user interface, where did I go wrong, and what else is needed. I wish I'd had this earlier. In my test pass just now, it ignored most of the postal fields I filled = in: street, region, code, country. It got city, though. There are probably other tweaks possible, but this is already enough to = greatly reduce my startup time for new drafts. Thank you. -- J.D. Falk the leading purveyor of industry counter-rhetoric solutions From tony@att.com Thu Mar 31 04:10:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9BB28C0F7; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:10:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.479 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.120, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VD9NapjHvxgQ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CC73A6B3B; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:10:34 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1301569932!10531357!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 2746 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2011 11:12:13 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-12.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 31 Mar 2011 11:12:13 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VBCZsh019766; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:12:36 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VBCXIK019750; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:12:34 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VBC9ld023441; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:12:09 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VBC1PN023001; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:12:02 -0400 Received: from [135.70.28.201] (vpn-135-70-28-201.vpn.west.att.com[135.70.28.201]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20110331111158gw100e4lm1e> (Authid: tony); Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:12:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.28.201] Message-ID: <4D94617C.7060107@att.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:11:56 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion , RFC Interest , XML2RFC Interest Group , RFC Editor , Glenn Kowack References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:10:39 -0000 Thank you everyone who's tried out the XML2RFC internet draft creation wizard. I've folded in most of the comments and I think it's just about ready to release to the community. I'd appreciate any further comments before I do so (probably tomorrow). One of the comments suggested showing the output of xml2rfc as things are being generated. The current form does absolutely nothing remotely until the very end when you want to download the file to your browser, and I think the overhead of showing the xml2rfc output constantly would be onerous. However, it *would* be possible to add in a "preview" button on the final page. What do people think of that idea? Tony On 3/30/2011 7:36 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: > One of the areas people still complain about with respect to writing > internet drafts is how to get started. > > So I've been playing around with a tool to help create the xml2rfc XML > for a -00 internet draft. It works in wizard fashion, asking you a > variety of questions and generates the XML on the fly. At the end, you > can either cut and paste the generated XML or click a download button > to save it to a file. > > Please try it out: http://xml.resource.org/xml2rfc-wizard > > All thoughts on it are welcome, even if you think it's a horrible > idea. If you think it's a good idea, I'd like to hear about > improvements to the user interface, where did I go wrong, and what > else is needed. > > Also, any thoughts on where to go from here would be appreciated. Is > the notion of a set of wizards a good one? What other wizards would be > helpful? > > I'm thinking that this wizard, and possibly others, would eventually > be linked to from the xml.resource.org web page. > > Tony Hansen > tony@att.com From dbharrington@comcast.net Thu Mar 31 05:00:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580073A6B4A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:00:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zCmJw0sXBh9m for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDA63A6B33 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Rnt81g0020Fqzac5Do29sN; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:09 +0000 Received: from davidPC ([130.129.68.162]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ro1l1g00a3W3hpu3Uo1oUX; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:07 +0000 From: "David B Harrington" To: "'Tony Hansen'" , "'Tools Team Discussion'" , "'RFC Interest'" , "'XML2RFC Interest Group'" , "'RFC Editor'" , "'Glenn Kowack'" References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> <4D94617C.7060107@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4D94617C.7060107@att.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:01:43 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7600.16543 Thread-Index: AcvvlIEU49mPpHQqQXGgpzvwc+4bwwABgdSQ Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [xml2rfc] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:00:30 -0000 Hi, There are xml2rfc templates for MIB documents, with sections and boilerplate needed for MIB documents. But authors can take a generic xml2rfc doc and install the appropriate sections and boilerplate themselves. I don't know if you want to try to include that in your tool. The MIB document templates can be found at tools.ietf.org and I'm available to advise. There has been some discussion of developing comparable templates for other data modules as well, such as YANG. dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tony Hansen > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:12 PM > To: Tools Team Discussion; RFC Interest; XML2RFC Interest > Group; RFC Editor; Glenn Kowack > Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool > > Thank you everyone who's tried out the XML2RFC internet draft > creation > wizard. I've folded in most of the comments and I think it's > just about > ready to release to the community. > > I'd appreciate any further comments before I do so (probably > tomorrow). > > One of the comments suggested showing the output of xml2rfc as things > are being generated. The current form does absolutely nothing > remotely > until the very end when you want to download the file to your > browser, > and I think the overhead of showing the xml2rfc output > constantly would > be onerous. However, it *would* be possible to add in a > "preview" button > on the final page. What do people think of that idea? > > Tony > > On 3/30/2011 7:36 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: > > One of the areas people still complain about with respect > to writing > > internet drafts is how to get started. > > > > So I've been playing around with a tool to help create the > xml2rfc XML > > for a -00 internet draft. It works in wizard fashion, asking you a > > variety of questions and generates the XML on the fly. At > the end, you > > can either cut and paste the generated XML or click a > download button > > to save it to a file. > > > > Please try it out: http://xml.resource.org/xml2rfc-wizard > > > > All thoughts on it are welcome, even if you think it's a horrible > > idea. If you think it's a good idea, I'd like to hear about > > improvements to the user interface, where did I go wrong, and what > > else is needed. > > > > Also, any thoughts on where to go from here would be > appreciated. Is > > the notion of a set of wizards a good one? What other > wizards would be > > helpful? > > > > I'm thinking that this wizard, and possibly others, would > eventually > > be linked to from the xml.resource.org web page. > > > > Tony Hansen > > tony@att.com > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > From tony@att.com Thu Mar 31 08:55:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BD73A6B32; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:55:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.491 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.491 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.108, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VTb-oLhUW45c; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07CE3A6B49; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:55:10 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1301587010!11953694!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 25855 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2011 15:56:50 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-12.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 31 Mar 2011 15:56:50 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VFvDLn004523; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:57:14 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VFv8td004411; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:57:08 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VFuiwl026788; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:56:44 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VFufJm026648; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:56:41 -0400 Received: from [135.70.245.70] (vpn-135-70-245-70.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.245.70]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20110331155639gw100e4m2ge> (Authid: tony); Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:56:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.245.70] Message-ID: <4D94A0A1.8030609@att.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:41:21 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David B Harrington References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> <4D94617C.7060107@att.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 'RFC Interest' , 'Glenn Kowack' , 'XML2RFC Interest Group' , 'Tools Team Discussion' , 'RFC Editor' Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [xml2rfc] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:55:20 -0000 Would adding a single question along the lines of Do you plan on this being a Management Information Base (MIB) document? [no|yes] do? If they say yes, then the sections relevant to MIBs would be added to the XML document. Tony On 3/31/2011 8:01 AM, David B Harrington wrote: > There are xml2rfc templates for MIB documents, with sections and > boilerplate needed for MIB documents. > But authors can take a generic xml2rfc doc and install the appropriate > sections and boilerplate themselves. > I don't know if you want to try to include that in your tool. > The MIB document templates can be found at tools.ietf.org and I'm > available to advise. > There has been some discussion of developing comparable templates for > other data modules as well, such as YANG. From elwynd@dial.pipex.com Thu Mar 31 15:54:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C552E3A67F4; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:54:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.233 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.233 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-4.066, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_DYNAMIC_SPLIT_IP=3.493, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id onVx+OtHiBI9; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:0:30::51bb:1e35]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0033A67EE; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 251.254.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.254.251]) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5Qmz-0005iI-9Q; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:56:29 +0100 Message-ID: <4D95068C.8010002@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:56:12 +0100 From: Elwyn Davies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> <4D94617C.7060107@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4D94617C.7060107@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: RFC Interest , Glenn Kowack , XML2RFC Interest Group , Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [xml2rfc] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: elwynd@dial.pipex.com List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:54:57 -0000 Quite useful. Particularly for author and references. Oned thing I have considered (indeed once started on) were tools to produce author fragments and reference fragments which are the most tedious bits IMO Nits Why does the Phone number entry appear twice in author input? You could save people a bit of typing by putting draft- or RFC in front of the reference fields. Should keywords be allowed white space or not? Regards, Elwyn Tony Hansen wrote: > Thank you everyone who's tried out the XML2RFC internet draft creation > wizard. I've folded in most of the comments and I think it's just > about ready to release to the community. > > I'd appreciate any further comments before I do so (probably tomorrow). > > One of the comments suggested showing the output of xml2rfc as things > are being generated. The current form does absolutely nothing remotely > until the very end when you want to download the file to your browser, > and I think the overhead of showing the xml2rfc output constantly > would be onerous. However, it *would* be possible to add in a > "preview" button on the final page. What do people think of that idea? > > Tony > > On 3/30/2011 7:36 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: >> One of the areas people still complain about with respect to writing >> internet drafts is how to get started. >> >> So I've been playing around with a tool to help create the xml2rfc >> XML for a -00 internet draft. It works in wizard fashion, asking you >> a variety of questions and generates the XML on the fly. At the end, >> you can either cut and paste the generated XML or click a download >> button to save it to a file. >> >> Please try it out: http://xml.resource.org/xml2rfc-wizard >> >> All thoughts on it are welcome, even if you think it's a horrible >> idea. If you think it's a good idea, I'd like to hear about >> improvements to the user interface, where did I go wrong, and what >> else is needed. >> >> Also, any thoughts on where to go from here would be appreciated. Is >> the notion of a set of wizards a good one? What other wizards would >> be helpful? >> >> I'm thinking that this wizard, and possibly others, would eventually >> be linked to from the xml.resource.org web page. >> >> Tony Hansen >> tony@att.com > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc