From julian.reschke@gmx.de Sun May 1 01:16:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E497E0655 for ; Sun, 1 May 2011 01:16:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.712 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.712 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.713, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id byiwyfUufVEJ for ; Sun, 1 May 2011 01:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3838CE0651 for ; Sun, 1 May 2011 01:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 01 May 2011 08:16:45 -0000 Received: from p508FD087.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.208.135] by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 01 May 2011 10:16:45 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19EvNhscGlELCfzDBMW4VTu8mArQr3D2AQAqt71iA 2Wzo8GE+RWcZIN Message-ID: <4DBD16E0.9020407@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 10:16:32 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Joel M. Halpern" References: <4DBC9E23.5080808@joelhalpern.com> In-Reply-To: <4DBC9E23.5080808@joelhalpern.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] XML2RFC tool, my confusion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 08:16:49 -0000 On 01.05.2011 01:41, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > I am not sure who one is supposed to ask when one gets inexplicable > errors from xml2rfc. In doubt, one of the xml2rfc mailing lists. But this one is fine as well. > Sine we have been warned that strict conformance will be necessary, I > try to use the tool on the strict setting. That's good. That being said: I'm not *sure* about the strict setting. xml2rfc.tcl has it's own XML parser, and that one is broken, in that it accepts some cases of non-welformed XML. A new xml2rfc processor almost certainly will reject these files. The "strict" setting will complain about some of the related problems, but not all of them (IMHO). Furthermore, it will also check things that have nothing to do with the welformedness of the XML, such as the validity errors you are seeing. (Remember that welformedness is independent of the vocabulary, while validity depends on the specific XML vocabulary as defined in the DTD). > I am getting: > Unable to Validate File > > INPUT: 330 ms (332 elems, 250 attrs, 1917 spaces, 38994 chars) > [Error] INPUT:102:11: The content of element type "t" must match > "(list|figure|xref|eref|iref|cref|spanx|vspace)". > [Error] INPUT:665:15: The content of element type "section" must match > "((t|figure|texttable|iref)*,section*)". We're talking about , right? :-) The nice thing with XML errors is that if you do not like those produced by tool A, asking a different tool might help. So I tried "Jing": $ java -jar jing.jar -i rfc2629.rng draft-iab-rfc-editor-model-v2-01.xml draft-iab-rfc-editor-model-v2-01.xml:80:11: error: element "artwork" not allowed in this context draft-iab-rfc-editor-model-v2-01.xml:672:27: error: element "list" not allowed in this context draft-iab-rfc-editor-model-v2-01.xml:960:18: error: unfinished element draft-iab-rfc-editor-model-v2-01.xml:967:18: error: unfinished element So in line 102, you have nested inside , but it's supposed not to. In 672, you have outside , but it's supposed to be inside. The other two messages are validity errors not catched by xml2rfc.tcl (use of the xml2rfc-specific reference inclusion mechanism). > I presume that this is complaining about an opening at line 102 and > an opening
at line 665. > The odd thing is that in each case, the tag in question immediately > follows and end-tag of the same type. > I have also tried assuming that the problem was the preceding paired > tag. But the preceding start also immediately follows an end of the same > type. > > I have tried opening the xml in Firefox, and it seems quite happy with > the matching of tags. That runs the file through an XML parser that doesn't validate, so only the welformedness is being checked. (and it confirms the file is OK from that perspective). > Suggestions on how I diagnose this would be appreciated. > > Yours, > Joel M. Halpern > > PS: Yes, everything seems to work fine if I turn off strict checking. Yes, the problems it complains about will not cause the actual text generation to change. Best regards, Julian From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Sun May 1 08:49:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9576CE06D4 for ; Sun, 1 May 2011 08:49:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.71 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.71 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.889, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YgpAj4bRrLKR for ; Sun, 1 May 2011 08:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2001:4870:a30c:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CD5E070B for ; Sun, 1 May 2011 08:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.150] (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p41FmYEI010465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 1 May 2011 08:48:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 08:48:33 -0700 Message-Id: <917AA998-5A97-4E0E-AE74-0D11F281BEC4@vpnc.org> To: Tools Team Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [Tools-discuss] rfcdiff and draft names without numbers X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 15:49:19 -0000 Greetings again. = = does what we would hope: it puts up a side-by-side comparison of the -09 = with the -08. However, = = does not do what I would hope, which would be to put up a diff of the = latest version with the immediately preceding one. Instead, it puts up a = hard-to-understand error message. Is this a bug or a feature request? --Paul Hoffman From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon May 2 05:24:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5688E0814 for ; Mon, 2 May 2011 05:24:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.228 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.228 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.372, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id stya1WmuBXyh for ; Mon, 2 May 2011 05:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF87E0812 for ; Mon, 2 May 2011 05:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:64049 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1QGsAm-0006eD-Qz; Mon, 02 May 2011 14:24:23 +0200 Message-ID: <4DBEA274.8050400@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 14:24:20 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: <095A3160-6C0A-4055-A55F-6FBDCD8FDB90@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <095A3160-6C0A-4055-A55F-6FBDCD8FDB90@vpnc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: paul.hoffman@vpnc.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Bug in id-nits if a draft has an "Updates" header that lists a draft X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 12:24:35 -0000 Hi Paul On 2011-04-30 00:47 Paul Hoffman said: > Greetings again. I just tried to turn in a draft for draft-ietf-genarea-milestones-tool that updates draft-ietf-genarea-charter-tool-09 (a draft that is in the RFC Editor's queue". My XML input used: > docName="draft-ietf-genarea-milestones-tool-00" > category="info" > updates="draft-ietf-genarea-charter-tool-09" >> > > id-nits would not accept that, I assume because it was looking for the first string in the document that looked like an Internet-Draft name. I was able to submit by removing the "updates" header, but I strongly suspect that people will bug me about the fact that the draft internally says that it updates this RFC-to-be but that is not listed in the front page header. I tried to replicate this with a renamed and hacked copy of draft-ietf-genarea-charter-tool-09, but couldn't reproduce the error. Could you send me a copy of the file which causes idnits to misbehave? Best, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon May 2 09:05:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAC1E06DE for ; Mon, 2 May 2011 09:05:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.414 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.414 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sgn1Z9rtd0YD for ; Mon, 2 May 2011 09:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222D0E06ED for ; Mon, 2 May 2011 09:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:49269 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1QGvcN-0004M0-Qt; Mon, 02 May 2011 18:05:05 +0200 Message-ID: <4DBED62F.2040108@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 18:05:03 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: <917AA998-5A97-4E0E-AE74-0D11F281BEC4@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <917AA998-5A97-4E0E-AE74-0D11F281BEC4@vpnc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: paul.hoffman@vpnc.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] rfcdiff and draft names without numbers X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 16:05:14 -0000 Hi Paul, On 2011-05-01 17:48 Paul Hoffman said: > Greetings again. > > does what we would hope: it puts up a side-by-side comparison of the > -09 with the -08. However, > > does not do what I would hope, which would be to put up a diff of the > latest version with the immediately preceding one. Instead, it puts > up a hard-to-understand error message. Fixed now, I think. Best, Henrik From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Mon May 2 09:44:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838A9E06AD for ; Mon, 2 May 2011 09:44:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.736 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.736 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.863, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 58MP+4yc-4AF for ; Mon, 2 May 2011 09:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2001:4870:a30c:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DF7E067E for ; Mon, 2 May 2011 09:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.151] (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p42Gi9dw068161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 2 May 2011 09:44:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <4DBED62F.2040108@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 09:44:09 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6281F908-AEF2-43E7-816E-2CD3100258C1@vpnc.org> References: <917AA998-5A97-4E0E-AE74-0D11F281BEC4@vpnc.org> <4DBED62F.2040108@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] rfcdiff and draft names without numbers X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 16:44:12 -0000 On May 2, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Paul, > > On 2011-05-01 17:48 Paul Hoffman said: >> Greetings again. >> >> does what we would hope: it puts up a side-by-side comparison of the >> -09 with the -08. However, >> >> does not do what I would hope, which would be to put up a diff of the >> latest version with the immediately preceding one. Instead, it puts >> up a hard-to-understand error message. > > Fixed now, I think. Indeed. Thanks! --Paul Hoffman From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon May 2 22:33:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD1EE06FA for ; Mon, 2 May 2011 22:33:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.829 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.829 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.230, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08ncZK1-WczQ for ; Mon, 2 May 2011 22:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C3FD6E069C for ; Mon, 2 May 2011 22:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 May 2011 05:33:28 -0000 Received: from p508FC532.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.197.50] by mail.gmx.net (mp005) with SMTP; 03 May 2011 07:33:28 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/uSPpXp+3uaMeWrSqkP5NM399e2Sk8255yIGuyKg YE7+DqkYaeYboT Message-ID: <4DBF9398.9020800@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 07:33:12 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: [Tools-discuss] missing ID notification mails X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 05:33:31 -0000 Hi, I didn't see mails on ID-ANNOUNCE nor on the HTTPbis WG mailing list for... Is this a known problem? Best regards, Julian From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue May 3 02:12:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D47E0708 for ; Tue, 3 May 2011 02:12:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.451 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.451 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.149, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bgFe0XkZk3yM for ; Tue, 3 May 2011 02:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C10AE06AA for ; Tue, 3 May 2011 02:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:53441 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1QHBf0-0007kE-Da; Tue, 03 May 2011 11:12:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4DBFC712.9000305@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 11:12:50 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4DBF9398.9020800@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4DBF9398.9020800@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: julian.reschke@gmx.de, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] missing ID notification mails X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 09:12:59 -0000 Hi Julian, On 2011-05-03 07:33 Julian Reschke said: > Hi, > > I didn't see mails on ID-ANNOUNCE nor on the HTTPbis WG mailing list for... > > > > Is this a known problem? Yes. The new submission tool doesn't send out announcements the way it should. Hopefully we'll deploy a new version today which fixes this. Best regards, Henrik From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Tue May 3 09:52:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469F1E0680 for ; Tue, 3 May 2011 09:52:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.776 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.776 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.823, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D72cIHj00TsU for ; Tue, 3 May 2011 09:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2001:4870:a30c:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E45DE062A for ; Tue, 3 May 2011 09:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.150] (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p43Gq2Q2018725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 May 2011 09:52:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:52:02 -0700 References: <20110503163741.4AE9AE086B@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Tools Team Discussion Message-Id: <63B7B423-C207-4171-B3AE-2EC465E85B12@vpnc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Number of chairs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 16:52:05 -0000 Just a quick note that our tools (including the future ones) need to be = able to handle WGs with more than two chairs. I assume folks already = thought of this, but just checking. > Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) > --------------------------------------------------- > Current Status: Active Working Group >=20 > Chairs: > Magnus Westerlund > Cullen Jennings > Ted Hardie We don't seem to be handling two email addresses so well, however: Transport Layer Security (tls) ------------------------------ Charter Last Modified: 2009-02-04 Current Status: Active Working Group Chair(s): Eric Rescorla Joseph Salowey Eric Rescorla --Paul Hoffman From cabo@tzi.org Tue May 3 15:23:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B292E073C for ; Tue, 3 May 2011 15:23:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.16 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.16 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.089, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8NHbFrtalbAw for ; Tue, 3 May 2011 15:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A1BE0766 for ; Tue, 3 May 2011 15:23:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p43MNXfv025473 for ; Wed, 4 May 2011 00:23:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.112] (p5B3E613E.dip.t-dialin.net [91.62.97.62]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9DEAEB0F; Wed, 4 May 2011 00:23:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 00:23:32 +0200 To: Tools Team Discussion Message-Id: <567861A9-4AB1-4BCC-AF24-4EB6ADE45AF2@tzi.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [Tools-discuss] I-D submit interface is a bit picky after midnight in Europe X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 22:23:44 -0000 When I try to submit an I-D that was compiled from XML after midnight in = Europe, when it is still yesterday in the US, I get an error: metadata = date (today) cannot be after submission date (yesterday). Doubly = annoying each time, because I really want to sleep now. Either XML2RFC = has to use some form of US time or datatracker.ietf.org/submit has to = allow some form of European time. JFYI... Gruesse, Carsten From esanchez@yaco.es Wed May 4 00:22:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741BEE0736 for ; Wed, 4 May 2011 00:22:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.817 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.817 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX=1.482, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fZwiZIidzMYu for ; Wed, 4 May 2011 00:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A269E0691 for ; Wed, 4 May 2011 00:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so694472wyb.31 for ; Wed, 04 May 2011 00:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.61.142 with SMTP id t14mr753389wbh.84.1304493776495; Wed, 04 May 2011 00:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.193] ([77.227.215.107]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l24sm500878wbc.30.2011.05.04.00.22.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 May 2011 00:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DC0FECD.40305@yaco.es> Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 09:22:53 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Emilio_A=2E_S=E1nchez=22?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110419 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <567861A9-4AB1-4BCC-AF24-4EB6ADE45AF2@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <567861A9-4AB1-4BCC-AF24-4EB6ADE45AF2@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] I-D submit interface is a bit picky after midnight in Europe X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 07:22:59 -0000 Hi, Yesterday some fixes to the submission tool were merged into trunk. One of this fixes solves your problem. A new release will be done as soon as the test suite is complete. Henrik have more information about the next release. Best, El 04/05/11 00:23, Carsten Bormann escribió: > When I try to submit an I-D that was compiled from XML after midnight in Europe, when it is still yesterday in the US, I get an error: metadata date (today) cannot be after submission date (yesterday). Doubly annoying each time, because I really want to sleep now. Either XML2RFC has to use some form of US time or datatracker.ietf.org/submit has to allow some form of European time. > > JFYI... > > Gruesse, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu May 5 06:31:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1560FE073D for ; Thu, 5 May 2011 06:31:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3BMgTqg+cLlZ for ; Thu, 5 May 2011 06:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AE7E071A for ; Thu, 5 May 2011 06:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 90-230-136-60-no45.tbcn.telia.com ([90.230.136.60]:61995 helo=vigonier.lan) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1QHyeN-0006Ve-5h; Thu, 05 May 2011 15:31:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4DC2A6A7.1020906@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 15:31:19 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elwyn Davies References: <1304585368.5287.1455.camel@mightyatom.folly.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <1304585368.5287.1455.camel@mightyatom.folly.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 90.230.136.60 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: elwynd@folly.org.uk, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IDNITS: "downref to unissued draft"? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 13:31:41 -0000 Hi Elwyn, On 2011-05-05 10:49 Elwyn Davies said the following: > Hi, Henrik. <> >> ** Downref: Normative reference to an Not Issued RFC: RFC 6043 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Since RFC 6043 exists (dated March 2011), I was wondering what the > criteria for deciding that RFC 6043 was 'Not Issued' were? The rfc-status file on the tools servers was outdated. Bug fixed, file updated. If you run idnits again on one of the tools servers, or remove your local copy to ensure a new version gets downloaded (normally it's $HOME/.idnits/rfc-status and $HOME/.idnits/rfc-status.date) you should get a more correct result. Sorry for the bother! Best regards, Henrik From elwynd@dial.pipex.com Thu May 5 06:48:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7589E0593 for ; Thu, 5 May 2011 06:48:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9eAf9aWI879H for ; Thu, 5 May 2011 06:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.5.0.d.2.7.e.f.f.f.8.4.0.3.2.0.0.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.b.8.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa [IPv6:2001:8b0:0:30:230:48ff:fe72:d05c]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B8EE0749 for ; Thu, 5 May 2011 06:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from study.folly.org.uk ([81.187.254.244]) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QHyvD-0000LJ-Mx; Thu, 05 May 2011 14:48:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4DC2AABE.5050801@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 14:48:46 +0100 From: Elwyn Davies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <1304585368.5287.1455.camel@mightyatom.folly.org.uk> <4DC2A6A7.1020906@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4DC2A6A7.1020906@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IDNITS: "downref to unissued draft"? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 13:48:53 -0000 Yep. That seems to have done the trick. No problem.. you keep us all so well serviced that it's heartless to complain! Presumably the download is only if you run a local copy of idnits. I couldn't find one on my Windows box. Cheers, Elwyn On 05/05/2011 14:31, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Elwyn, > > On 2011-05-05 10:49 Elwyn Davies said the following: >> Hi, Henrik. > > <> > >>> ** Downref: Normative reference to an Not Issued RFC: RFC 6043 >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> Since RFC 6043 exists (dated March 2011), I was wondering what the >> criteria for deciding that RFC 6043 was 'Not Issued' were? > > The rfc-status file on the tools servers was outdated. Bug fixed, file > updated. If you run idnits again on one of the tools servers, or remove > your local copy to ensure a new version gets downloaded (normally it's > $HOME/.idnits/rfc-status and $HOME/.idnits/rfc-status.date) you should > get a more correct result. > > Sorry for the bother! > > > Best regards, > > Henrik -- Join the Cambridge Oxfam Walk on Sunday 15 May, 2011. For more information, see http://www.oxfam.org.uk/get_involved/fundraise/walk/ and follow us on Twitter at http://twitter.com/CambOxfamWalk. From evnikita2@gmail.com Sat May 14 04:41:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53412E06A0 for ; Sat, 14 May 2011 04:41:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.287, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AfSiKyPsUbs8 for ; Sat, 14 May 2011 04:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D391E0686 for ; Sat, 14 May 2011 04:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz13 with SMTP id 13so3239334bwz.31 for ; Sat, 14 May 2011 04:41:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type; bh=61NqDSTLpOhBqJh16jvbyEbzrAEYO7SohNjZGGC4rdw=; b=iZL15+4xX3KADshaOOReLsrU/PCoYfZZDFwj51YeA2EeR6z1HAw5g8NheBD7mkr3Vs EuvUlCCMJkGvMiygojZW4kOtlxy4XjTIeOiGiyGo620nZThLxJPj3RSyf3ykStyh8okQ NUIQ2xyIdn8WiuohJRyK9cHBFOjNthROJDZxo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type; b=i8vCyAeY/0jWd+Tzx23f7qMei7JfTX32xXz5TouOMbCTbRTdPwlfQsE3loebK1tXxN QeQBbFneL91MpDr0ZKd0z14rGzigcv5y1Ymunlqmd871ZHa2Dl5sosjjqBkd9YsNikZ3 k9fM3sNoUcTgnQ7jlhODhrufFsg7fmjA3HJNs= Received: by 10.204.19.74 with SMTP id z10mr2350690bka.183.1305373259072; Sat, 14 May 2011 04:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([195.191.104.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q24sm1872551bks.21.2011.05.14.04.40.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 14 May 2011 04:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DCE6A76.9030208@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:41:42 +0300 From: Mykyta Yevstifeyev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ru; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090109040300040802090300" Subject: [Tools-discuss] [Tracker] link missing at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hoffman-rfc3536bis-02 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 11:41:02 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090109040300040802090300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, The [Tracker] link seems to be missing here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hoffman-rfc3536bis-02. I suppose this is a bug; I see such has already happened with other drafts. Is it going to be fixed? Mykyta Yevstifeyev --------------090109040300040802090300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello,

The [Tracker] link seems to be missing here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hoffman-rfc3536bis-02.  I suppose this is a bug; I see such has already happened with other drafts.  Is it going to be fixed?

Mykyta Yevstifeyev
 --------------090109040300040802090300-- From evnikita2@gmail.com Tue May 17 20:39:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C60E0701 for ; Tue, 17 May 2011 20:39:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.288, BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.124, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h5n0lmCKr25O for ; Tue, 17 May 2011 20:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF3DE0681 for ; Tue, 17 May 2011 20:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz13 with SMTP id 13so1223081bwz.31 for ; Tue, 17 May 2011 20:39:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type; bh=wTlDCCJjgaoGc0qfxAGh8tH4mcyuEtD1w1ZSgGKXoI8=; b=LtKU6F1tspMlABYkuOMDOyNtmMP3sKsnMJhT2SYfsOtYyMGxAzg2nIE2xKmBTPOZju 4fL0G4VmYYXj9Omv0hrptBd9WdGODmUfGaxEhGFFrtX5UIUlmKfsPwZoRXFkSiRGUme3 B+GIDDavIOw5OceQa8ecTo1qUeJrQQe7HEueg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type; b=teloAw15fgKl+Jqc1JBWM4kEOzPP4mmRiP1IzjRLGDb/QJ1noz+wPVqxM59K5Te6x8 i0pIrCVSIxxl7JnIl6+/8qEWP91sMKZuL1l5M4zQTjm1vULUp/01/GNT/dm5N5CPwNY2 T17AxfVthF/XXf9Y7lXSaB/Wp95UJ5dgS7C3k= Received: by 10.204.79.196 with SMTP id q4mr1321108bkk.107.1305689943328; Tue, 17 May 2011 20:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([195.191.104.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q25sm680933bkk.22.2011.05.17.20.39.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 17 May 2011 20:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DD33F83.2080603@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 06:39:47 +0300 From: Mykyta Yevstifeyev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ru; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090400040008040802000403" Subject: [Tools-discuss] An error on http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6247 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 03:39:05 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090400040008040802000403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Trying to access http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6247 I get the following page: > rfcmarkup: Warning: Skipping unexpected draft name: 'rfc6247' --> --> > > > ** Python 2.6.6: /usr/local/bin/python > Wed May 18 05:00:08 2011 > > A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of > function calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred. > > /www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup in **() > 1359 if "--help" in sys.argv: > 1360 usage() > 1361 sys.exit() > 1362 > 1363 markup() > *markup* = > > /www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup in *markup*() > 899 > 900 elif rfc: > 901 attribs.update(stateinfo("rfc%s" % (rfc))) > 902 args["favicon"] = "/images/rfc.png" > 903 if filetext("/home/ietf/rfc/meta/rfc%s.errata" % rfc): > *attribs* = {'doc': 'rfc6247.txt', 'robots': 'index,follow', > 'staticpath': 'true', 'topmenu': 'true'}, attribs.*update* = method update of dict object>, *stateinfo* = , > *rfc* = '6247' > > **: 'NoneType' object is not iterable > args = ("'NoneType' object is not iterable",) > message = "'NoneType' object is not iterable" I am not technically familiar with Python and I don't know what it is. A bug? Mykyta Yevstifeyev --------------090400040008040802000403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello,

Trying to access http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6247 I get the following page:

rfcmarkup: Warning: Skipping unexpected draft name: 'rfc6247' --> -->
 
 
<type 'exceptions.TypeError'>		 Python 2.6.6: /usr/local/bin/python
Wed May 18 05:00:08 2011

A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of function calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred.

 /www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup in ()
 1359     if "--help" in sys.argv:
 1360         usage()
 1361         sys.exit()
 1362 
 1363     markup()
markup = <function markup>
 /www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup in markup()
  899 
  900         elif rfc:
  901             attribs.update(stateinfo("rfc%s" % (rfc)))
  902             args["favicon"] = "/images/rfc.png"
  903             if filetext("/home/ietf/rfc/meta/rfc%s.errata" % rfc):
attribs = {'doc': 'rfc6247.txt', 'robots': 'index,follow', 'staticpath': 'true', 'topmenu': 'true'}, attribs.update = <built-in method update of dict object>, stateinfo = <function stateinfo>, rfc = '6247'
<type 'exceptions.TypeError'>: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
      args = ("'NoneType' object is not iterable",)
      message = "'NoneType' object is not iterable"
I am not technically familiar with Python and I don't know what it is.  A bug?

Mykyta Yevstifeyev
 --------------090400040008040802000403-- From stpeter@stpeter.im Tue May 17 20:42:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A83E0717 for ; Tue, 17 May 2011 20:42:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id APzsUGEa+ZHC for ; Tue, 17 May 2011 20:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092F7E0681 for ; Tue, 17 May 2011 20:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leavealone.cisco.com (72-163-0-129.cisco.com [72.163.0.129]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E36B94006D; Tue, 17 May 2011 21:42:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4DD3400E.1070402@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 21:42:06 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mykyta Yevstifeyev References: <4DD33F83.2080603@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4DD33F83.2080603@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: url=http://www.saint-andre.com/me/stpeter.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050003090205040807040505" Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] An error on http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6247 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 03:42:09 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050003090205040807040505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/17/11 9:39 PM, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Trying to access http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6247 I get the following= > page: Try this: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6247.txt The tool.ietf.org website is not the canonical location for RFCs and is not always updated immediately (RFC 6247 was published less than 10 hours ago). 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From stefan@aaa-sec.com Sun May 22 17:22:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1D9E06DF for ; Sun, 22 May 2011 17:22:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tl1ZMiL0JCdl for ; Sun, 22 May 2011 17:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s87.loopia.se (s87.loopia.se [194.9.94.114]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257E3E06BB for ; Sun, 22 May 2011 17:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s42.loopia.se (s34.loopia.se [194.9.94.70]) by s87.loopia.se 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3388961128_46178208 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, I noticed that the latest RFC citation library (ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc-ref.txt) file is corrupt on the line regarding RFC 6247. There is a line ending after "Historic Status" I noticed since NroffEdit refused to accept the file. I'm adding a workaround in NroffEdit 2.08, but I suggest that the file is fixed: RFC6240 | | Zelig, D., Ed., Cohen, R., Ed., and T. Nadeau, Ed., "Synchronous Optical Network/Synchronous Digital Hierarchy (SONET/SDH) Circuit Emulation over Packet (CEP) MIB Using SMIv2", RFC 6240, May 2011. RFC6247 | | Eggert, L., "Moving the Undeployed TCP Extensions RFC 1072, RFC 1106, RFC 1110, RFC 1145, RFC 1146, RFC 1379, RFC 1644, and RFC 1693 to Historic Status ", RFC 6247, May 2011. RFC6248 | | Morton, A., "RFC 4148 and the IP Performance Metrics (IPPM) Registry of Metrics Are Obsolete", RFC 6248, April 2011. /Stefan --B_3388961128_46178208 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I noticed that the latest RFC citation library (ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in= -notes/rfc-ref.txt) file is corrupt on the line regarding RFC  6247.
There is a line ending after "Historic Status"

<= div>I noticed since NroffEdit refused to accept the file.
I'm addi= ng a workaround in NroffEdit 2.08, but I suggest that the file is fixed:

RFC6240 |           | Ze= lig, D., Ed., Cohen, R., Ed., and T. Nadeau, Ed., "Synchronous Optical Netwo= rk/Synchronous Digital Hierarchy (SONET/SDH) Circuit Emulation over Packet (= CEP) MIB Using SMIv2", RFC 6240, May 2011.
RFC6247 |    =       | Eggert, L., "Moving the Undeployed TCP Extensions RF= C 1072, RFC 1106, RFC 1110, RFC 1145, RFC 1146, RFC 1379, RFC 1644, and RFC = 1693 to Historic Status
", RFC 6247, May 2011.
RFC6248 |=           | Morton, A., "RFC 4148 and the IP Perfo= rmance Metrics (IPPM) Registry of Metrics Are Obsolete", RFC 6248, April 201= 1.

/Stefan
--B_3388961128_46178208-- From ahagens@amsl.com Tue May 24 14:53:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E887E079C for ; Tue, 24 May 2011 14:53:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tFIUjgSRfeRw for ; Tue, 24 May 2011 14:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8A8E0782 for ; Tue, 24 May 2011 14:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5537E070F; Tue, 24 May 2011 14:53:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c1a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c1a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kBHjp+ZX7YpH; Tue, 24 May 2011 14:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc2.home (pool-72-66-107-92.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.107.92]) by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 557F5E0649; Tue, 24 May 2011 14:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Alice Hagens In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 17:53:10 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Stefan Santesson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] RFC Citation Library is corrupt X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 21:53:11 -0000 Stefan, Thank you for bringing this to our attention. This has been corrected. Alice for the RFC Production Center On May 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Stefan Santesson wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I noticed that the latest RFC citation library = (ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc-ref.txt) file is corrupt on the = line regarding RFC 6247. > There is a line ending after "Historic Status" >=20 > I noticed since NroffEdit refused to accept the file. > I'm adding a workaround in NroffEdit 2.08, but I suggest that the file = is fixed: >=20 > RFC6240 | | Zelig, D., Ed., Cohen, R., Ed., and T. Nadeau, = Ed., "Synchronous Optical Network/Synchronous Digital Hierarchy = (SONET/SDH) Circuit Emulation over Packet (CEP) MIB Using SMIv2", RFC = 6240, May 2011. > RFC6247 | | Eggert, L., "Moving the Undeployed TCP = Extensions RFC 1072, RFC 1106, RFC 1110, RFC 1145, RFC 1146, RFC 1379, = RFC 1644, and RFC 1693 to Historic Status > ", RFC 6247, May 2011. > RFC6248 | | Morton, A., "RFC 4148 and the IP Performance = Metrics (IPPM) Registry of Metrics Are Obsolete", RFC 6248, April 2011. >=20 > /Stefan > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From fred@cisco.com Wed May 25 11:58:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB043130076; Wed, 25 May 2011 11:58:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VRI+i26Idm6B; Wed, 25 May 2011 11:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C6913003D; Wed, 25 May 2011 11:58:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=3886; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1306349933; x=1307559533; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1VPLh3V1e8fo/v9SNnb5gM1XxDPQCqbyjIoDMRb78xc=; b=m0sUpyb1ZoJ/Nhql6BRIMEBFmvV0nhg+vYMQ8PNyic3Yz/491SvCvLvo FFHFn7wLtps70DEg1aXVEK/7/0Vm9abymwRdlUgYi5fTP5RumRxJDIHsy i/mz6d1SW4O1Zfel4xLi3u8PH+EEr34VqT7OLMb43ElYBhuaGRj8ZAFby w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEACBQ3U2rRDoI/2dsb2JhbACmLHiIcJ5BnWuDF4MFBIZbiVSEN4pw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,268,1304294400"; d="scan'208";a="454264889" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 May 2011 18:58:48 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com [10.32.244.222]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p4PIwhLN010667; Wed, 25 May 2011 18:58:47 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 25 May 2011 11:58:47 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com on Wed, 25 May 2011 11:58:47 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <7911C644-E2A3-4BF8-842A-1DB1A4450E69@ietf.org> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:58:33 -0700 Message-Id: <34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com> References: <7911C644-E2A3-4BF8-842A-1DB1A4450E69@ietf.org> To: Tools Team Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: IETF WG Chairs Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New datatracker release X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 18:58:53 -0000 Thanks for the new work on this. I am going through v6ops' drafts marking them with their current state. = I ran into a couple of problems.=20 1) It appears that this tool only applies to documents with the name = draft-ietf--*-
.txt. Under "Manage Workflow", one of the states = is "Call For Adoption By WG Issued". This would have to be applied to a = document which is not yet a working group draft, as draft-ietf--* is = a name usable only for documents that have already been accepted and the = re-post has occurred. I need to be able to apply a state to an = individual submission to a working group, and by the way, the initial = state for such a draft should be "Individual Submission to Working = Group" without me having to apply the state. Yes, this comment was made = while developing the specifications for the tool. 2) The working group has sent some drafts to the IESG without formally = adopting them as working group documents. I take it that this is no = longer accepted, as the told doesn't allow the shepherd to manage their = state...? 3) Under "Manage Shepherds", I tried to identify my co-chair as shepherd = for a document, and was informed > Internal Server Error. >=20 > The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete = your request. Either the server is overloaded or there was an error in a = script used to generate the requested page. >=20 > Please contact webtools@ietf.org. I was, however, able to assign a document to myself. The processing path = was a little counter-intuitive, however, as it told me that it had = marked me as "shepherd" but the file didn't show up under "Shepherded by = me" for several minutes. 4) I see a lot of documentation of states. I don't see a place that lets = me set the document's state apart from deciding who its shepherd is. = What would be very nice is a button on or related to the = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/* page that tells me its current working = group state, what my options are for a next possible state, and lets me = (logged in as WG Chair) click on something to select the new state. This = applies to individual submissions to the working group as well as = working group documents. On May 25, 2011, at 10:14 AM, IETF Chair wrote: > We have now deployed new features in the IETF Datatracker (which you = can find at http://datatracker.ietf.org/) that provide support for = display and management of working group document status according to RFC = 6174 and RFC 6175. >=20 > The WG Chairs can assign states to WG Internet-Drafts: > - WG Document=20 > - Parked WG Document=20 > - Dead WG Document=20 > - In WG Last Call=20 > - Waiting for WG Chair Go-Ahead=20 > - WG Consensus: Waiting for Writeup=20 > - Submitted to IESG for Publication=20 >=20 > A subset of these states will be set automatically for WG documents by = the system if no action is taken by the WG Chairs. You can see the new = states on the WG document summary pages in the datatracker, see for = instance http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/v6ops/ This is a subset of the states that the tool supports. I don't see a way = to set the state on a draft, however. A little documentation might be a = good thing. > The new datatracker release also provides support for showing and = assigning shepherds for WG Internet-Drafts, for recording proto = write-ups for WG Internet-Drafts, for defining a custom document = workflow for a WG, and more. I see the shepherd stuff. Where is the write-up stuff? > We hope these new datatracker features will provide more information = about the state and progress of WG documents for all IETF participants. = We hope these new datatracker features will also provide tools for WG = Chairs that make it easier to manage WG documents. >=20 > Thanks, > Russ >=20 From acmorton@att.com Wed May 25 12:12:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B90C1300A2 for ; Wed, 25 May 2011 12:12:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.196 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.196 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dz+TJ9KW3Y8X for ; Wed, 25 May 2011 12:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854301300BE for ; Wed, 25 May 2011 12:12:28 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1306350747!19468089!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 20916 invoked from network); 25 May 2011 19:12:28 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-2.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 25 May 2011 19:12:28 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p4PJCpPW027024 for ; Wed, 25 May 2011 15:12:52 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p4PJClNV026935 for ; Wed, 25 May 2011 15:12:47 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p4PJCMnm019981 for ; Wed, 25 May 2011 15:12:22 -0400 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p4PJCKPh019963 for ; Wed, 25 May 2011 15:12:21 -0400 Message-Id: <201105251912.p4PJCKPh019963@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (martym.mt.att.com[135.16.251.71](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20110525191220gw100e4l5se>; Wed, 25 May 2011 19:12:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.16.251.71] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 15:13:02 -0400 To: Fred Baker , Tools Team Discussion From: Al Morton In-Reply-To: <34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com> References: <7911C644-E2A3-4BF8-842A-1DB1A4450E69@ietf.org> <34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New datatracker release X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 19:12:47 -0000 At 02:58 PM 5/25/2011, Fred Baker wrote: >Thanks for the new work on this. +1 >I am going through v6ops' drafts marking them with their current >state. I ran into a couple of problems. +1 After logging-in, I don't seem to be able to accomplish anything productive. It could be a cockpit problem, too. I'm assuming tools-discuss is the right place to raise issues, Al From housley@vigilsec.com Wed May 25 12:14:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFFD1300B8; Wed, 25 May 2011 12:14:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OSbdMl0M9toj; Wed, 25 May 2011 12:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346D81300AE; Wed, 25 May 2011 12:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF89F24097; Wed, 25 May 2011 15:14:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JwbcPCct3xmw; Wed, 25 May 2011 15:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.31.208.51] (neustargw.va.neustar.com [209.173.53.233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2955F24080; Wed, 25 May 2011 15:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 15:14:48 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3FD33125-2E43-414D-ABF6-477C152231E6@vigilsec.com> References: <7911C644-E2A3-4BF8-842A-1DB1A4450E69@ietf.org> <34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com> To: Fred Baker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF WG Chairs , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New datatracker release X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 19:14:59 -0000 Fred: Thanks for trying the new features. We will tackle these problems as = soon as we can. Please keep working with the tools. Russ On May 25, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > Thanks for the new work on this. >=20 > I am going through v6ops' drafts marking them with their current = state. I ran into a couple of problems.=20 >=20 > 1) It appears that this tool only applies to documents with the name = draft-ietf--*-
.txt. Under "Manage Workflow", one of the states = is "Call For Adoption By WG Issued". This would have to be applied to a = document which is not yet a working group draft, as draft-ietf--* is = a name usable only for documents that have already been accepted and the = re-post has occurred. I need to be able to apply a state to an = individual submission to a working group, and by the way, the initial = state for such a draft should be "Individual Submission to Working = Group" without me having to apply the state. Yes, this comment was made = while developing the specifications for the tool. >=20 > 2) The working group has sent some drafts to the IESG without formally = adopting them as working group documents. I take it that this is no = longer accepted, as the told doesn't allow the shepherd to manage their = state...? >=20 > 3) Under "Manage Shepherds", I tried to identify my co-chair as = shepherd for a document, and was informed >=20 >> Internal Server Error. >>=20 >> The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete = your request. Either the server is overloaded or there was an error in a = script used to generate the requested page. >>=20 >> Please contact webtools@ietf.org. >=20 > I was, however, able to assign a document to myself. The processing = path was a little counter-intuitive, however, as it told me that it had = marked me as "shepherd" but the file didn't show up under "Shepherded by = me" for several minutes. >=20 > 4) I see a lot of documentation of states. I don't see a place that = lets me set the document's state apart from deciding who its shepherd = is. What would be very nice is a button on or related to the = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/* page that tells me its current working = group state, what my options are for a next possible state, and lets me = (logged in as WG Chair) click on something to select the new state. This = applies to individual submissions to the working group as well as = working group documents. >=20 >=20 > On May 25, 2011, at 10:14 AM, IETF Chair wrote: >=20 >> We have now deployed new features in the IETF Datatracker (which you = can find at http://datatracker.ietf.org/) that provide support for = display and management of working group document status according to RFC = 6174 and RFC 6175. >>=20 >> The WG Chairs can assign states to WG Internet-Drafts: >> - WG Document=20 >> - Parked WG Document=20 >> - Dead WG Document=20 >> - In WG Last Call=20 >> - Waiting for WG Chair Go-Ahead=20 >> - WG Consensus: Waiting for Writeup=20 >> - Submitted to IESG for Publication=20 >>=20 >> A subset of these states will be set automatically for WG documents = by the system if no action is taken by the WG Chairs. You can see the = new states on the WG document summary pages in the datatracker, see for = instance http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/v6ops/ >=20 > This is a subset of the states that the tool supports. I don't see a = way to set the state on a draft, however. A little documentation might = be a good thing. >=20 >> The new datatracker release also provides support for showing and = assigning shepherds for WG Internet-Drafts, for recording proto = write-ups for WG Internet-Drafts, for defining a custom document = workflow for a WG, and more. >=20 > I see the shepherd stuff. Where is the write-up stuff? >=20 >> We hope these new datatracker features will provide more information = about the state and progress of WG documents for all IETF participants. = We hope these new datatracker features will also provide tools for WG = Chairs that make it easier to manage WG documents. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Russ >>=20 >=20 From fred@cisco.com Wed May 25 14:09:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E64BE0724; Wed, 25 May 2011 14:09:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.913 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.913 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.514, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_54=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eI8b0RROt3Am; Wed, 25 May 2011 14:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8ADE06E5; Wed, 25 May 2011 14:09:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=5200; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1306357774; x=1307567374; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RyoyGxwaqfqHRhqsmnISK7bT+/+EAYjod6JJ3L1fWzE=; b=DcwNwrs8qqCsK3N9+nxsqySCokNgq+VKu7WBVS8ETZzf4O5iBUzwyx3A 26cjN6AsRiLqFURQF3BLS/aJwGidxST4NswnWGMLYgEPQir9V6eEc73C3 jWWYExoEmYaxe5usSZzIHbio6FcQIRyB9cQImeBSnOyOtwACJ44GVatGZ 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAB9v3U2rRDoI/2dsb2JhbACmMniIcJ86nWCGHASGW4lUhDeKcA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,268,1304294400"; d="scan'208";a="703389653" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 May 2011 21:09:32 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com [10.32.244.222]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p4PL8o1P010708; Wed, 25 May 2011 21:09:32 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 25 May 2011 14:09:32 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com on Wed, 25 May 2011 14:09:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <4DDD64D6.1060800@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:09:32 -0700 Message-Id: References: <7911C644-E2A3-4BF8-842A-1DB1A4450E69@ietf.org> <34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com> <4DDD64D6.1060800@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: IETF WG Chairs , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New datatracker release X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 21:09:35 -0000 On May 25, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Fred, >=20 > On 2011-05-25 20:58 Fred Baker said the following: >> Thanks for the new work on this. >>=20 >> I am going through v6ops' drafts marking them with their current >> state. I ran into a couple of problems. >>=20 >> 1) It appears that this tool only applies to documents with the name >> draft-ietf--*-
.txt. Under "Manage Workflow", one of the >> states is "Call For Adoption By WG Issued". This would have to be >> applied to a document which is not yet a working group draft, as >> draft-ietf--* is a name usable only for documents that have >> already been accepted and the re-post has occurred. I need to be able >> to apply a state to an individual submission to a working group, and >> by the way, the initial state for such a draft should be "Individual >> Submission to Working Group" without me having to apply the state. >> Yes, this comment was made while developing the specifications for >> the tool. >=20 > Agreed, and this is the way it should be. If it isn't, that's a bug. OK, so now that you've shown me where the link to change state is, I = found that. I submit that there are a couple of other likely working = group states for an individual submission to a working group: - I-D exists or some similar name - not under consideration the first of those says in essence that the working group hasn't decided = yet what to do with the draft, and the second is a form of "the working = group HAS decided what to do with it". Note that historically, a = relatively small percentage of internet drafts become RFCs (per the = rsync'able all-internet-drafts, there have been 21,785 drafts posted in = its time, with an average of 3.3 versions per draft for a total of = 72,095 .txt files in that database, but only some 6200 RFCs). At least = in my working group, it would be nice to be able to assign a state to a = draft that says "this is an individual submission, but no consensus = exists in the WG to discuss it." or "...but it is not within the WG's = charter." >> 4) I see a lot of documentation of states. I don't see a place that >> lets me set the document's state apart from deciding who its shepherd >> is. What would be very nice is a button on or related to the >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/* page that tells me its current >> working group state, what my options are for a next possible state, >> and lets me (logged in as WG Chair) click on something to select the >> new state. This applies to individual submissions to the working >> group as well as working group documents. >=20 > This (the /doc/draft-* page) is exactly where you should both see the = state > and be able to set it. I'm attaching a screen-shot of what I would = expect you > to see, taken for a document in MIP4 (which I chair and thus have the = chair > view of), with the WG State and link to change it for a document = marked. >=20 > Oh, yes -- to see the edit link, you have to be signed in, so the = server knows > that you have the needed permission. There's a 'Sign in' link in the = top > right-hand corner of the screen if you're not signed in. I can't = think how you > could have seen and be able to edit the shepherd-related stuff without = being > signed in, but thought I'd mention it. Yes, signing in helps :-) OK, I see the thing now. I guess the placement wasn't intuitive to me. >> On May 25, 2011, at 10:14 AM, IETF Chair wrote: >>=20 >>> We have now deployed new features in the IETF Datatracker (which >>> you can find at http://datatracker.ietf.org/) that provide support >>> for display and management of working group document status >>> according to RFC 6174 and RFC 6175. >>>=20 >>> The WG Chairs can assign states to WG Internet-Drafts: - WG >>> Document - Parked WG Document - Dead WG Document - In WG Last >>> Call - Waiting for WG Chair Go-Ahead - WG Consensus: Waiting for >>> Writeup - Submitted to IESG for Publication >>>=20 >>> A subset of these states will be set automatically for WG documents >>> by the system if no action is taken by the WG Chairs. You can see >>> the new states on the WG document summary pages in the datatracker, >>> see for instance http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/v6ops/ >>=20 >> This is a subset of the states that the tool supports. I don't see a >> way to set the state on a draft, however. A little documentation >> might be a good thing. >=20 > Hopefully answered above, at least to the point where we can pinpoint = the bug > if there's one behindthis. >=20 >>> The new datatracker release also provides support for showing and >>> assigning shepherds for WG Internet-Drafts, for recording proto >>> write-ups for WG Internet-Drafts, for defining a custom document >>> workflow for a WG, and more. >>=20 >> I see the shepherd stuff. Where is the write-up stuff? >=20 > For this too, see the attached screen-shot -- the third link on the = same line > as the 'Change WG State' link should be a 'Change draft writeup' link. >=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Henrik > From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed May 25 14:50:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77950E069D; Wed, 25 May 2011 14:50:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.550, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_54=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lS7qUVTQK3+r; Wed, 25 May 2011 14:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB32E081E; Wed, 25 May 2011 14:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 90-230-136-60-no45.tbcn.telia.com ([90.230.136.60]:63057 helo=vigonier.lan) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1QPLxw-0001xM-Tv; Wed, 25 May 2011 23:50:11 +0200 Message-ID: <4DDD798B.30206@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 23:50:03 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker References: <7911C644-E2A3-4BF8-842A-1DB1A4450E69@ietf.org> <34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com> <4DDD64D6.1060800@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 90.230.136.60 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: fred@cisco.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF WG Chairs , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New datatracker release X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 21:50:26 -0000 Hi Fred, On 2011-05-25 23:09 Fred Baker said the following: > > On May 25, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> Hi Fred, >> >> On 2011-05-25 20:58 Fred Baker said the following: >>> Thanks for the new work on this. >>> >>> I am going through v6ops' drafts marking them with their current >>> state. I ran into a couple of problems. >>> >>> 1) It appears that this tool only applies to documents with the name >>> draft-ietf--*-
.txt. Under "Manage Workflow", one of the >>> states is "Call For Adoption By WG Issued". This would have to be >>> applied to a document which is not yet a working group draft, as >>> draft-ietf--* is a name usable only for documents that have >>> already been accepted and the re-post has occurred. I need to be able >>> to apply a state to an individual submission to a working group, and >>> by the way, the initial state for such a draft should be "Individual >>> Submission to Working Group" without me having to apply the state. >>> Yes, this comment was made while developing the specifications for >>> the tool. >> >> Agreed, and this is the way it should be. If it isn't, that's a bug. > > OK, so now that you've shown me where the link to change state is, I > found that. I submit that there are a couple of other likely working > group states for an individual submission to a working group: > > - I-D exists or some similar name > - not under consideration > > the first of those says in essence that the working group hasn't decided yet what to do with the draft, and the second is a form of "the working group HAS decided what to do with it". Note that historically, a relatively small percentage of internet drafts become RFCs (per the rsync'able all-internet-drafts, there have been 21,785 drafts posted in its time, with an average of 3.3 versions per draft for a total of 72,095 .txt files in that database, but only some 6200 RFCs). At least in my working group, it would be nice to be able to assign a state to a draft that says "this is an individual submission, but no consensus exists in the WG to discuss it." or "...but it is not within the WG's charter." Understood. From the viewpoint of the datatracker, it's trivial to add additional states to those currently available for use. The ones which are in there now are those defined by RFC 6174. If there is sufficient consensus on adding a few more states for WG Chairs to use for purposes such as those you mention above, it's just a matter of a little bit of time to add them to the relevant datatracker database tables. >>> 4) I see a lot of documentation of states. I don't see a place that >>> lets me set the document's state apart from deciding who its shepherd >>> is. What would be very nice is a button on or related to the >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/* page that tells me its current >>> working group state, what my options are for a next possible state, >>> and lets me (logged in as WG Chair) click on something to select the >>> new state. This applies to individual submissions to the working >>> group as well as working group documents. >> >> This (the /doc/draft-* page) is exactly where you should both see the state >> and be able to set it. I'm attaching a screen-shot of what I would expect you >> to see, taken for a document in MIP4 (which I chair and thus have the chair >> view of), with the WG State and link to change it for a document marked. >> >> Oh, yes -- to see the edit link, you have to be signed in, so the server knows >> that you have the needed permission. There's a 'Sign in' link in the top >> right-hand corner of the screen if you're not signed in. I can't think how you >> could have seen and be able to edit the shepherd-related stuff without being >> signed in, but thought I'd mention it. > > Yes, signing in helps :-) > > OK, I see the thing now. I guess the placement wasn't intuitive to me. Ok. Suggestions for better placement are welcome. Best regards, Henrik >>> On May 25, 2011, at 10:14 AM, IETF Chair wrote: >>> >>>> We have now deployed new features in the IETF Datatracker (which >>>> you can find at http://datatracker.ietf.org/) that provide support >>>> for display and management of working group document status >>>> according to RFC 6174 and RFC 6175. >>>> >>>> The WG Chairs can assign states to WG Internet-Drafts: - WG >>>> Document - Parked WG Document - Dead WG Document - In WG Last >>>> Call - Waiting for WG Chair Go-Ahead - WG Consensus: Waiting for >>>> Writeup - Submitted to IESG for Publication >>>> >>>> A subset of these states will be set automatically for WG documents >>>> by the system if no action is taken by the WG Chairs. You can see >>>> the new states on the WG document summary pages in the datatracker, >>>> see for instance http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/v6ops/ >>> >>> This is a subset of the states that the tool supports. I don't see a >>> way to set the state on a draft, however. A little documentation >>> might be a good thing. >> >> Hopefully answered above, at least to the point where we can pinpoint the bug >> if there's one behindthis. >> >>>> The new datatracker release also provides support for showing and >>>> assigning shepherds for WG Internet-Drafts, for recording proto >>>> write-ups for WG Internet-Drafts, for defining a custom document >>>> workflow for a WG, and more. >>> >>> I see the shepherd stuff. Where is the write-up stuff? >> >> For this too, see the attached screen-shot -- the third link on the same line >> as the 'Change WG State' link should be a 'Change draft writeup' link. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Henrik >> > > From jhutz@cmu.edu Thu May 26 00:21:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FF5E0726; Thu, 26 May 2011 00:21:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gtdBamlAufOd; Thu, 26 May 2011 00:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp02.srv.cs.cmu.edu (SMTP02.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.217.197]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE63AE0723; Thu, 26 May 2011 00:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.2.184.182] (JHUTZ-DYN5.PC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.184.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp02.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p4Q7LoXI015703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 May 2011 03:21:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <7462_1306357779_p4PL9cph011040_EABE5BCF-FFA9-47CE-BC5E-3AC2B0839FBE@cisco.com> References: <7911C644-E2A3-4BF8-842A-1DB1A4450E69@ietf.org> <34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com> <4DDD64D6.1060800@levkowetz.com> <7462_1306357779_p4PL9cph011040_EABE5BCF-FFA9-47CE-BC5E-3AC2B0839FBE@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 03:21:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1306394510.32156.454.camel@destiny> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: mimedefang-cmuscs on 128.2.217.197 Cc: IETF WG Chairs , Henrik Levkowetz , Tools Team Discussion , jhutz@cmu.edu Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New datatracker release X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 07:21:55 -0000 On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 14:09 -0700, Fred Baker wrote: > On May 25, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > > > Hi Fred, > > > > On 2011-05-25 20:58 Fred Baker said the following: > >> Thanks for the new work on this. > >> > >> I am going through v6ops' drafts marking them with their current > >> state. I ran into a couple of problems. > >> > >> 1) It appears that this tool only applies to documents with the name > >> draft-ietf--*-
.txt. Under "Manage Workflow", one of the > >> states is "Call For Adoption By WG Issued". This would have to be > >> applied to a document which is not yet a working group draft, as > >> draft-ietf--* is a name usable only for documents that have > >> already been accepted and the re-post has occurred. I need to be able > >> to apply a state to an individual submission to a working group, and > >> by the way, the initial state for such a draft should be "Individual > >> Submission to Working Group" without me having to apply the state. > >> Yes, this comment was made while developing the specifications for > >> the tool. > > > > Agreed, and this is the way it should be. If it isn't, that's a bug. > > OK, so now that you've shown me where the link to change state is, I > found that. I submit that there are a couple of other likely working > group states for an individual submission to a working group: > - I-D exists or some similar name > - not under consideration I thought there was supposed to be an I-D Exists state, but there doesn't seem to be. I seem to recall someone explaining why that might not be useful, and it had something to do with documents only being able to belong to one WG at a time. The second state you mention sounds a lot like "Dead". > > This (the /doc/draft-* page) is exactly where you should both see the state > > and be able to set it. I'm attaching a screen-shot of what I would expect you > > to see, taken for a document in MIP4 (which I chair and thus have the chair > > view of), with the WG State and link to change it for a document marked. > > > > Oh, yes -- to see the edit link, you have to be signed in, so the server knows > > that you have the needed permission. There's a 'Sign in' link in the top > > right-hand corner of the screen if you're not signed in. I can't think how you > > could have seen and be able to edit the shepherd-related stuff without being > > signed in, but thought I'd mention it. > > Yes, signing in helps :-) > > OK, I see the thing now. I guess the placement wasn't intuitive to me. I don't. For documents in my WG (krb-wg), I get the change-shepherd and change-writeup links, but never the edit-state link. -- Jeff From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Thu May 26 08:33:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46231E0717; Thu, 26 May 2011 08:33:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.592 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.592 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rQGY-7RcfiUH; Thu, 26 May 2011 08:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2001:4870:a30c:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED70E0655; Thu, 26 May 2011 08:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.150] (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p4QFWvpg020875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 26 May 2011 08:32:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <1306394510.32156.454.camel@destiny> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 08:32:58 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <11CAF335-3DDF-4827-8A9D-883003061F96@vpnc.org> References: <7911C644-E2A3-4BF8-842A-1DB1A4450E69@ietf.org> <34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com> <4DDD64D6.1060800@levkowetz.com> <7462_1306357779_p4PL9cph011040_EABE5BCF-FFA9-47CE-BC5E-3AC2B0839FBE@cisco.com> <1306394510.32156.454.camel@destiny> To: Jeffrey Hutzelman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF WG Chairs , Fred Baker , Tools Team Discussion , Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New datatracker release X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 15:33:05 -0000 On May 26, 2011, at 12:21 AM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 14:09 -0700, Fred Baker wrote: >>=20 >> OK, so now that you've shown me where the link to change state is, I >> found that. I submit that there are a couple of other likely working >> group states for an individual submission to a working group: >=20 >> - I-D exists or some similar name >> - not under consideration >=20 > I thought there was supposed to be an I-D Exists state, but there > doesn't seem to be. =20 Sure there is. Looking at Fred's WG, = , I see many WG drafts in "I-D = exists". --Paul Hoffman From jhutz@cmu.edu Thu May 26 08:44:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97838E0657; Thu, 26 May 2011 08:44:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QawqcHpji2xG; Thu, 26 May 2011 08:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp01.srv.cs.cmu.edu (SMTP01.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.217.196]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AA5E0655; Thu, 26 May 2011 08:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.2.184.182] (JHUTZ-DYN5.PC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.184.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp01.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p4QFiOg4029129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 May 2011 11:44:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <11CAF335-3DDF-4827-8A9D-883003061F96@vpnc.org> References: <7911C644-E2A3-4BF8-842A-1DB1A4450E69@ietf.org> <34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com> <4DDD64D6.1060800@levkowetz.com> <7462_1306357779_p4PL9cph011040_EABE5BCF-FFA9-47CE-BC5E-3AC2B0839FBE@cisco.com> <1306394510.32156.454.camel@destiny> <11CAF335-3DDF-4827-8A9D-883003061F96@vpnc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 11:44:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1306424665.32156.503.camel@destiny> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: mimedefang-cmuscs on 128.2.217.196 Cc: IETF WG Chairs , Henrik Levkowetz , Fred Baker , Tools Team Discussion , jhutz@cmu.edu Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New datatracker release X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 15:44:28 -0000 On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 08:32 -0700, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On May 26, 2011, at 12:21 AM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > > > On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 14:09 -0700, Fred Baker wrote: > >> > >> OK, so now that you've shown me where the link to change state is, I > >> found that. I submit that there are a couple of other likely working > >> group states for an individual submission to a working group: > > > >> - I-D exists or some similar name > >> - not under consideration > > > > I thought there was supposed to be an I-D Exists state, but there > > doesn't seem to be. > > Sure there is. Looking at Fred's WG, > , I see many WG drafts in "I-D > exists". That's an IESG state. I think Fred's looking for an equivalent WG state, for a document which is related to this WG but which the WG is not yet considering whether to adopt. -- Jeff From fred@cisco.com Thu May 26 09:54:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2C7130028; Thu, 26 May 2011 09:54:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.467 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.467 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.132, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kkMkrkAXERyS; Thu, 26 May 2011 09:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07F3130019; Thu, 26 May 2011 09:54:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=818; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1306428874; x=1307638474; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VWsbTVabnuEYyL0f6hk1BIOzZytmDeGgzaSKoP5UIdg=; b=ZSpD9TXeD3uOJBdUtD+PBStH+rNKXLQxYpZcpe/n7LJZuPMkgt0KJHko 0I8LYMIeCh4xD3T/JWMfH+aPpEoWBIE3SeHishUS1qXuBUt9XN/gpeMGy zr0M2ZoCOdqSGPclyEs2jjP/fyKtjU/ng4yBW/XtQJGTD+BnCZMmz52qI 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAJSE3k2Q/khR/2dsb2JhbABVpjB4iHCgIJ1chhwEhmGJWIQ5inc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,275,1304294400"; d="scan'208";a="32469039" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.72.81]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 May 2011 16:54:32 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com (ams3-vpn-dhcp5874.cisco.com [10.61.86.241]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p4QGsPdN018434; Thu, 26 May 2011 16:54:31 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Thu, 26 May 2011 09:54:32 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com on Thu, 26 May 2011 09:54:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <11CAF335-3DDF-4827-8A9D-883003061F96@vpnc.org> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 09:54:13 -0700 Message-Id: <07E811C5-5BA3-4A4C-BB6D-87E7466AF15D@cisco.com> References: <7911C644-E2A3-4BF8-842A-1DB1A4450E69@ietf.org> <34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com> <4DDD64D6.1060800@levkowetz.com> <7462_1306357779_p4PL9cph011040_EABE5BCF-FFA9-47CE-BC5E-3AC2B0839FBE@cisco.com> <1306394510.32156.454.camel@destiny> <11CAF335-3DDF-4827-8A9D-883003061F96@vpnc.org> To: Paul Hoffman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: IETF WG Chairs , Henrik Levkowetz , Tools Team Discussion , Jeffrey Hutzelman Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New datatracker release X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:54:35 -0000 On May 26, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Sure there is. Looking at Fred's WG, = , I see many WG drafts in "I-D = exists". That's not a "WG State". That's, if anything, an IESG state, or a = statement about the draft itself - it's not dead and it hasn't gone = anywhere. =46rom a WG perspective, I think the question is "it claims, = in its moniker, to be an individual submission to ; what does = think about it?". =46rom my perspective, there are three possible WG = states there - the WG is thinking about the individual submission to the = working group, it has decided to no longer think about it, or it is in = the process of deciding whether to make it a WG document; after that, it = is of course a WG document and has more states.= From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Thu May 26 13:40:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77A7E0789; Thu, 26 May 2011 13:40:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.593 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.593 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rIOPXhfPUDwj; Thu, 26 May 2011 13:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2001:4870:a30c:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29F9E06E1; Thu, 26 May 2011 13:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.150] (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p4QKelP6038369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 26 May 2011 13:40:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Paul Hoffman X-Priority: Normal In-Reply-To: <912803736-1306438887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1127973369-@b5.c2.bise6.blackberry> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 13:40:46 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0096FBF6-954E-4D61-A751-14519B3C8021@vpnc.org> References: <7911C644-E2A3-4BF8-842A-1DB1A4450E69@ietf.org><34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com><4DDD64D6.1060800@levkowetz.com><7462_1306357779_p4PL9cph011040_EABE5BCF-FFA9-47CE-BC5E-3AC2B0839FBE@cisco.com><1306394510.32156.454.camel@destiny><11CAF335-3DDF-4827-8A9D-883003061F96@vpnc.org><07E811C5-5BA3-4A4C-BB6D-87E7466AF15D@cisco.com> <912803736-1306438887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1127973369-@b5.c2.bise6.blackberry> To: edj.etc@gmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF WG chairs , Fred Baker , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New datatracker release X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 20:40:53 -0000 On May 25, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > OK, so now that you've shown me where the link to change state is, I = found that. I submit that there are a couple of other likely working = group states for an individual submission to a working group: > - I-D exists or some similar name > - not under consideration On May 26, 2011, at 12:41 PM, edj.etc@gmail.com wrote: > I believe Fred is right. "I-D Exists" is not a state that anyone can = use to indicate anything about the status if an I-D in relation to any = WG. Indeed. The state machine in section 4.1 of RFC 6174 shows that the = first *WG state* is when there is a call for adoption, and that the = terminal state out the top (not sent to the IESG) is no WG state at all. = The *non-WG* draft state remains the same, and encompasses both of = Fred's states. What he is asking for is a more encompassing WG state = machine. --Paul Hoffman From fred@cisco.com Thu May 26 13:59:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253B4E06E1; Thu, 26 May 2011 13:59:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tfWlYAvdBmwq; Thu, 26 May 2011 13:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99444E0694; Thu, 26 May 2011 13:59:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=690; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1306443549; x=1307653149; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fm0FQZu8XJbZvK9oQ/ToF/146jHqB8S82ZLGknRN7Co=; b=dIYEJfY9gyYazgsyTIam3PsaMe1YzxJka3K2eG4pQSlgEfqWBILeKtaB 7ukzgVsBV6gSlfu63qYd6L+xrY3e2a22kc4lRfQ723JLfUAAsF0uXU+Es +/S1tLNQIYApD5FbH9JBk82S/5cCNAJ34JwTZnJjOy2prl0PJKNuCm2xe s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAEq+3k2rRDoH/2dsb2JhbABVpjV4iHCed51ehhwEhmGJWIQ5inc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,276,1304294400"; d="scan'208";a="365057038" Received: from mtv-core-2.cisco.com ([171.68.58.7]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 May 2011 20:59:09 +0000 Received: from dhcp-64-101-108-152.cisco.com (dhcp-64-101-108-152.cisco.com [64.101.108.152]) by mtv-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p4QKx4ir013457; Thu, 26 May 2011 20:59:09 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by dhcp-64-101-108-152.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Thu, 26 May 2011 13:59:09 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by dhcp-64-101-108-152.cisco.com on Thu, 26 May 2011 13:59:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker X-Priority: Normal In-Reply-To: <0096FBF6-954E-4D61-A751-14519B3C8021@vpnc.org> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 13:58:53 -0700 Message-Id: <42EEBD76-7DF8-4B02-8600-DBD44E447C48@cisco.com> References: <7911C644-E2A3-4BF8-842A-1DB1A4450E69@ietf.org><34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com><4DDD64D6.1060800@levkowetz.com><7462_1306357779_p4PL9cph011040_EABE5BCF-FFA9-47CE-BC5E-3AC2B0839FBE@cisco.com><1306394510.32156.454.camel@destiny><11CAF335-3DDF-4827-8A9D-883003061F96@vpnc.org><07E811C5-5BA3-4A4C-BB6D-87E7466AF15D@cisco.com> <912803736-1306438887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1127973369-@b5.c2.bise6.blackberry> <0096FBF6-954E-4D61-A751-14519B3C8021@vpnc.org> To: Paul Hoffman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: edj.etc@gmail.com, Tools Team Discussion , IETF WG chairs Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New datatracker release X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 20:59:10 -0000 On May 26, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Indeed. The state machine in section 4.1 of RFC 6174 shows that the = first *WG state* is when there is a call for adoption, and that the = terminal state out the top (not sent to the IESG) is no WG state at all. = The *non-WG* draft state remains the same, and encompasses both of = Fred's states. What he is asking for is a more encompassing WG state = machine. Well, yes. As when we had the conversation before, I'm looking for a = state machine that addresses the activity in a working group, not just = the activity after a draft has become one of a specific subset of the = drafts that the working group discusses.= From fred@cisco.com Fri May 27 06:31:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6502E07E2 for ; Fri, 27 May 2011 06:31:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qMkhmvQ9-bMA for ; Fri, 27 May 2011 06:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11306E07DB for ; Fri, 27 May 2011 06:31:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=2747; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1306503111; x=1307712711; h=from:subject:date:message-id:cc:to:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; bh=A/6uXTGv1WxaaUAwlEpR2qrmhHYy/ZvocU4ROUbm44c=; b=J5xeeSWG89r/udMq6cthyzf38ooKpfr2FasaXNYc4U5qOZ2fmp0dcasD +wh1Fu0PX/a97822yDbd6AuY3Tmrm3vqU2GpeYkIufEXgeObRh5ixBzEm GVROeIQ3LG3iekv0oKu361iJS35b11x5LN0Lp2EQuC1Tay6FJgcWZfNl6 Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAIin302rRDoG/2dsb2JhbABUpjh3p3CdWYYeBIZjiWCEO4p6 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,280,1304294400"; d="scan'208";a="704411755" Received: from mtv-core-1.cisco.com ([171.68.58.6]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 May 2011 13:31:51 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com [10.32.244.222]) by mtv-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p4RDVk9K030236; Fri, 27 May 2011 13:31:51 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 27 May 2011 06:31:51 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-222.cisco.com on Fri, 27 May 2011 06:31:51 -0700 From: Fred Baker Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 06:31:37 -0700 Message-Id: <71E991ED-B872-463A-9B69-0F7B6DB0E887@cisco.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: [Tools-discuss] Thinking about the state change "send to IESG" X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 13:31:52 -0000 There is a mechanism in the new tool to submit an document write-up, = which is good as far as it goes; instead of sending an email to my AD = copying the IESG Secretary, I can now write it in a file and upload the = file. I'm thinking through the steps there. Thinking through processes. Do I have this correct? - place draft in state "wish I were a WG draft" - tic tic tic - ask author to post a new draft draft-ietf--* - tic tic tic - notify secretariat to accept said draft, or respond so to a query - tic tic tic - observe new draft and place draft in state "working group draft". - advise secretariat that draft-ietf--* replaces = draft---* 1) Can I place a draft draft---* in the "working group = draft" state? 2) If yes, is there a way to note "pending replacement by = draft-ietf--*" Ideally, if I could do that, I would now have a working group draft and = could forget the rest of the process steps here; it becomes - place draft in state "wish I were a WG draft" - tic tic tic - ask author to post a new draft draft-ietf--* note that draft---* is pending replacement by = draft-ietf--* Later in the game, I go to WGLC: - place draft-*--* into WGLC call state - assign a shepherd (different screen) - send an email announcing WGLC - tic tic tic - create doc shepherd writeup in separate file - upload doc shepherd writeup to datatracker - note new state ("sent to IESG") (different screen) - send email to AD copying whoever IESG now makes a comment - AD files comment/discuss - secretariat notes that "revised ID is needed" - go to screen to note new annotation tags - while no new ID posted - ask the author (who already has an email from the datatracker) = to file a new ID - tic tic tic - go to screen to clear annotation tags - while no change - bug relevant ADs - tic tic tic You get the idea. This seems fairly manual and labor intensive, and many = things are on different screens that look like they should be done = together. It seems like some of the steps could be automated or at least = suggested - "you're entering a draft shepherd writeup; would you like to = assign a draft shepherd? would you like me to drop a note to the AD?" = "An AD posted a 'discuss'; annotate that a revised ID is needed due to = an issue raised by an AD". If it remains totally manual, I suspect that = it will wind up with a lot of crazy pseudo-state in time - an RFC, when = you look at the draft it came from, still needs a revised ID because the = shepherd neglected to clear the flag, or other such things. Just a thought...= From evnikita2@gmail.com Fri May 27 21:45:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EA2E06B0; Fri, 27 May 2011 21:45:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.078, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YqCYNkuwIdY1; Fri, 27 May 2011 21:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5182FE0676; Fri, 27 May 2011 21:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz13 with SMTP id 13so2005070bwz.31 for ; Fri, 27 May 2011 21:45:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:content-type; bh=2QA8K+H7Ss6MjHoJM8+oMy0Q7QtSHAWKVmDAf0dlIwE=; b=chxOWMIdLQyX1pnjnrBQzh3O1h2CoTfOCxJe3Kly0ALmYrx2ZYB6ETD/YbZA/8PRkf 8NIxW7LN1pH7xx1YZnXN1327DHP5u23gEyTIxaz2s1TrZ7vXrazOZZkaDB2dX7UMExaB Y0aulE6pIGIiQ/yqDoCVYkcBhLlQmgZiodbZo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :content-type; b=kLYt7uLDWYEWPsxoxzzBk175cIVQtMSkoQNHWqTR34b4ftrsO+RMG08pyiR/OxmQkh vbBh3k7t34lS+sndXPxjNU5g9YKrQPLiWCHAQ6iaJaiyXoUKyrUBjOLYGOT+N6VdktLe TNKQSJUNJupLnA/YhsLKwFbjHorIPeLB91Hm4= Received: by 10.204.126.38 with SMTP id a38mr2302058bks.195.1306557956093; Fri, 27 May 2011 21:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([195.191.104.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ag6sm1742966bkc.18.2011.05.27.21.45.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 May 2011 21:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DE07E30.2040200@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 07:46:40 +0300 From: Mykyta Yevstifeyev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ru; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050805050908050706020100" Cc: iesg Subject: [Tools-discuss] Handling draft-iesg-* by I-D Submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 04:45:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050805050908050706020100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Some observations on handling draft-iesg-* by I-D Submission tool. First of all, /just for the experiment/, I tried to upload some draft-iesg-* with the new submission tool to see how the metadata will be extracted. That's interesting that the Submission field reads: "Individual Submission". I think "IESG Submission", as an exception, should go here. This really should be distinguished from individual submissions. Moreover, since this is a submission on behalf of the IESG, the "new version notification" should also be copied to iesg@ietf.org (I don't know for sure, but I suppose now it is sent to the editor only). Finally, my personal opinion is that IESG submissions should be approved for publication by IETF Chair, in the same way as it is done for WG documents. I don't know if IESG will agree; so let's hear their opinion first. Mykyta Yevstifeyev --------------050805050908050706020100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello,

Some observations on handling draft-iesg-* by I-D Submission tool.

First of all, just for the experiment, I tried to upload some draft-iesg-* with the new submission tool to see how the metadata will be extracted.  That's interesting that the Submission field reads: "Individual Submission".  I think "IESG Submission", as an exception, should go here.  This really should be distinguished from individual submissions.

Moreover, since this is a submission on behalf of the IESG, the "new version notification" should also be copied to iesg@ietf.org (I don't know for sure, but I suppose now it is sent to the editor only).

Finally, my personal opinion is that IESG submissions should be approved for publication by IETF Chair, in the same way as it is done for WG documents.  I don't know if IESG will agree; so let's hear their opinion first.

Mykyta Yevstifeyev
 --------------050805050908050706020100-- From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Tue May 31 12:27:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4608E0739 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:27:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.069, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lToLFygtIqOg for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F8DE06D4 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.150] (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p4VJQxOW065435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:27:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 12:26:59 -0700 References: <20110531184429.28179.38287.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Tools Team Discussion Message-Id: <4F1A9089-0107-45E1-90D2-695CA0C57121@vpnc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Quoting escaping into Internet Draft announcement letters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:27:04 -0000 Greetings again. I am not sure which milestone and doc under which to = report this bug. It seems that some recent change has made it so that any time a single = quote or double quote appears in the abstract of an Internet Draft, the = message sent out to internet-drafts@ietf.org does HTML escaping on it. A = recent example is shown below. --Paul Hoffman Begin forwarded message: > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Date: May 31, 2011 11:44:29 AM PDT > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-chapin-rfc2606bis-00.txt > Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >=20 > Title : Reserved Top Level Domain Names > Author(s) : Lyman Chapin > Mark McFadden > Filename : draft-chapin-rfc2606bis-00.txt > Pages : 13 > Date : 2011-05-31 >=20 > The Internet Domain Name System (DNS) defines a tree of names > starting with root, ".", immediately below which are top = level domain > (TLD) names such as ".com" and ".us". RFC2606 = reserved a small > number of TLD names for use in documentation examples, private > testing, experiments, and other circumstances in which it is > desirable to avoid conflict with current or future actual TLD names > in the DNS. The evolution of Internet engineering and operation > practices since RFC2606 was published in 1999, and the expected > addition of new TLD names to the DNS, recommend this update to the > list of reserved TLD names, and the creation of a "reserved TLD = name > registry" to which additional names may be added as new = requirements > arise. >=20 > It is important to note that TLD names may be reserved, in other > contexts, for policy, political, or other reasons that are distinct > from the IETF's concern with Internet engineering and = operations. > This document reserves TLD names only for operational and = engineering > reasons. . . . --Paul Hoffman From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Tue May 31 13:58:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431F3E08E8; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:58:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cjLfuwJIrMas; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0364E08E7; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwz13 with SMTP id 13so4646697bwz.31 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:58:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=auEWqx/oX35SUhddI8xcVQQl5YUlz6l8wEWJLALrLWI=; b=Qrq1a9iIa1V/4YO97rFgbUlqBTt7Ufzj0rTg5pIAqjFvJxEApQ/O+NSzvRc0ntP3De X23AgJ60JOyy7K8wPswuW+tqY3xsLxGhis2dzjZwxkfebPyBKKZLSVBWVfCgBW04TqW9 Lpkf8cBIc9j+xn7n7aE3dkjGmJqtZf0F03ZXE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=MDqLzobN3CZlCgmuYzZnMlr0/shHTivsz6KwpwushguAP/PqRQ28y0llJj6ilPd9gz lqABse548tDcJtOwo4jmKeSAlnE+VFKP7nHlnt8W9mkk0Wo3NEJS5+7nTRz5JQsphBA4 nQQ1TcbNynKb8Z7cFZ4lVdp6n1E7/QXfBMmT4= Received: by 10.204.82.149 with SMTP id b21mr5797987bkl.196.1306875481904; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([121.98.251.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id af13sm337105bkc.7.2011.05.31.13.57.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 May 2011 13:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DE5564C.10605@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:57:48 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker References: <7911C644-E2A3-4BF8-842A-1DB1A4450E69@ietf.org> <34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com> <4DDD64D6.1060800@levkowetz.com> <7462_1306357779_p4PL9cph011040_EABE5BCF-FFA9-47CE-BC5E-3AC2B0839FBE@cisco.com> <1306394510.32156.454.camel@destiny> <11CAF335-3DDF-4827-8A9D-883003061F96@vpnc.org> <07E811C5-5BA3-4A4C-BB6D-87E7466AF15D@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <07E811C5-5BA3-4A4C-BB6D-87E7466AF15D@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF WG Chairs , Paul Hoffman , Tools Team Discussion , Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [BOFCHAIRS] New datatracker release X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:58:04 -0000 We have "AD is watching", used as one step up from "I-D exists". Why not define "WG is watching"? Brian On 2011-05-27 04:54, Fred Baker wrote: > On May 26, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > >> Sure there is. Looking at Fred's WG, , I see many WG drafts in "I-D exists". > > That's not a "WG State". That's, if anything, an IESG state, or a statement about the draft itself - it's not dead and it hasn't gone anywhere. From a WG perspective, I think the question is "it claims, in its moniker, to be an individual submission to ; what does think about it?". From my perspective, there are three possible WG states there - the WG is thinking about the individual submission to the working group, it has decided to no longer think about it, or it is in the process of deciding whether to make it a WG document; after that, it is of course a WG document and has more states. > _______________________________________________ > BOFCHAIRS mailing list > BOFCHAIRS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bofchairs > From fred@cisco.com Tue May 31 14:32:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7521AE08D8; Tue, 31 May 2011 14:32:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.288, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6XfQJDupsCWg; Tue, 31 May 2011 14:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE69AE08BA; Tue, 31 May 2011 14:32:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=1225; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1306877577; x=1308087177; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ejlSoAwKBP3miBxfeGnL6i2lm4H1hmzinurwmJuDoPc=; b=QpMFUJFwPLrvDB3ll0AbWu8Y+Xu+Fl58dYn/W2y65PWVPX2FunuZkgWm hvE9j7fsdL6sVDhXqXDQAyWXybrSYu3LAAqgKI3JGGQAT3e5eD6XjMB3z tIn1VefLF7Hyicih6MGslHEIOgIPBCwaz4mWpfG6uTo45E3tYUmGAW545 c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAPdd5U2rRDoI/2dsb2JhbABTpiF3iHGfMZ1Uhh4EhmSJa4Q+inw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,299,1304294400"; d="scan'208";a="327264356" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 May 2011 21:32:44 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com [10.32.244.218]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p4VLWHZa008396; Tue, 31 May 2011 21:32:44 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 31 May 2011 14:32:44 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com on Tue, 31 May 2011 14:32:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <4DE5564C.10605@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:32:43 -0700 Message-Id: <7FE56379-DA10-4837-8D96-F67B22BD5A30@cisco.com> References: <7911C644-E2A3-4BF8-842A-1DB1A4450E69@ietf.org> <34C5B72C-5BED-495B-87FB-7682A1CFD894@cisco.com> <4DDD64D6.1060800@levkowetz.com> <7462_1306357779_p4PL9cph011040_EABE5BCF-FFA9-47CE-BC5E-3AC2B0839FBE@cisco.com> <1306394510.32156.454.camel@destiny> <11CAF335-3DDF-4827-8A9D-883003061F96@vpnc.org> <07E811C5-5BA3-4A4C-BB6D-87E7466AF15D@cisco.com> <4DE5564C.10605@gmail.com> To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: IETF WG Chairs , Paul Hoffman , Tools Team Discussion , Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [BOFCHAIRS] New datatracker release X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 21:32:58 -0000 On May 31, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > We have "AD is watching", used as one step up from "I-D exists". Why = not define "WG is watching"? wfm > Brian >=20 > On 2011-05-27 04:54, Fred Baker wrote: >> On May 26, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: >>=20 >>> Sure there is. Looking at Fred's WG, = , I see many WG drafts in "I-D = exists". >>=20 >> That's not a "WG State". That's, if anything, an IESG state, or a = statement about the draft itself - it's not dead and it hasn't gone = anywhere. =46rom a WG perspective, I think the question is "it claims, = in its moniker, to be an individual submission to ; what does = think about it?". =46rom my perspective, there are three possible WG = states there - the WG is thinking about the individual submission to the = working group, it has decided to no longer think about it, or it is in = the process of deciding whether to make it a WG document; after that, it = is of course a WG document and has more states. >> _______________________________________________ >> BOFCHAIRS mailing list >> BOFCHAIRS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bofchairs >>=20 From duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp Tue May 31 23:09:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3B4E062A for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 23:09:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.159, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lT5kj7Hzc-rh for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 23:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acintmta02.acbb.aoyama.ac.jp (acintmta02.acbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.20.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83B5E066A for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 23:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acmse02.acbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.20.226]) by acintmta02.acbb.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id p5169Oo0023503 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:09:25 +0900 Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by acmse02.acbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 3e1c_a72c_b31cc0d2_8c15_11e0_abb0_001d0969ab06; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:09:24 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.5]:48640) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:09:30 +0900 Message-ID: <4DE5D782.8080501@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:09:06 +0900 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_J=2E_D=FCrst=22?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leif Halvard Silli References: <20110601014551772131.3f57cdf3@xn--mlform-iua.no> In-Reply-To: <20110601014551772131.3f57cdf3@xn--mlform-iua.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: public-iri@w3.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] nit comment X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 06:09:37 -0000 Hello Leif, There is indeed a missing link to Section 4.1 in the text version. In the XML source, these links are there (and the text "Section 4.1" is autogenerated. What you see is an artefact of how tool.ietf.org reconstructs links from the plain text version (). I have cc'ed tools-discuss@ietf.org in the hope somebody can look at this issue. Regards, Martin. On 2011/06/01 8:45, Leif Halvard Silli wrote: > Sorry if this has been adrressed or there is a reason for it, but in > Section 3.7 > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-iri-3987bis-05#section-3.7 > > then, on the words "Section 4.1", ther should be a link to section 4.1.