From keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com Fri Jul 29 07:58:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D52021F8C58 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:58:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.93 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.93 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.319, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vLV5sXJH3QMv for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail2.alcatel.fr (smail2.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6980321F8C53 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.62]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id p6TEwuDK003436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:58:56 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.47]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.62]) with mapi; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:58:37 +0200 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:58:35 +0200 Thread-Topic: Meeting materials manager Thread-Index: AcxN//3jCKHMv4RAQZm3QjL/R6yOIg== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 155.132.188.80 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 06:51:26 -0700 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Meeting materials manager X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:58:58 -0000 I notice the current manager has been updated with tracking information. I notice this identifies new and replaced documents. However it does not se= em to report someone changing the order of the items in the meeting materia= ls. It is not a significant problem, but reporting it is the behaviour I would = have expected. Keith From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Aug 18 15:15:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8A721F8A23 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:15:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.264 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.264 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.265, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GVxz9L84Vhmd for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA4B21F893C for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 90-230-136-60-no45.tbcn.telia.com ([90.230.136.60]:57838 helo=vigonier.lan) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1QuAsv-0005kU-47; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:16:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4E4D8F2E.4080404@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:16:14 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Pusateri References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 90.230.136.60 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: pusateri@bangj.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Agenda / iCal questions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:15:34 -0000 Hi Tom On 2011-07-26 01:09 Tom Pusateri said the following: > I noticed that the agenda page online at http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/81/ has an agenda for v6ops on Tuesday morning and so does the Agenda RSS feed on the tools site feed://tools.ietf.org/agenda/atom. > > But the iCal file at http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/81/agenda_81.ics does not. The feed shows the agenda for v6ops was updated at 3:06 pm and the iCal file was updated at 6:20 pm but it still doesn't contain the v6ops agenda in the description field. > > Does this have anything to do with the format of the agenda? If the agenda is in HTML, does it not get included in the iCal file? Or are there other delays in getting the agenda into the .ics file? Yes, it's a matter of the format of the agenda. There's no support for including html formatted text in the iCalendar format, so only when a text agenda is available it's included in the .ics file. Best regards, Henrik From enrico.marocco@telecomitalia.it Fri Aug 19 01:01:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD93E21F8B03 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:01:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.419 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.419 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P8QlhEX6nC+S for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GRFEDG702BA020.telecomitalia.it (grfedg702ba020.telecomitalia.it [156.54.233.201]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C10621F8B00 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GRFHUB701BA020.griffon.local (10.188.101.111) by GRFEDG702BA020.telecomitalia.it (10.188.45.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:02:19 +0200 Received: from MacLab.local (163.162.180.246) by smtp.telecomitalia.it (10.188.101.114) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:02:18 +0200 Message-ID: <4E4E1847.7090802@telecomitalia.it> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:01:11 +0200 From: Enrico Marocco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080205030804020508060301" Subject: [Tools-discuss] Python exception at idtracker login X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:01:30 -0000 --------------ms080205030804020508060301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I get the following error when attempting to log in the idtracker section of the datatracker (to request the publication of a WG doc): > IntegrityError: (1062, "Duplicate entry 'enrico.marocco@telecomitalia.i= ' for key 2") Trying to guess from the error string, the problem may be related to the fact that my account was in fact created twice, the second time when I became chair of an additional WG. Anyone experienced the same issue? Below's the full tracecback, will be happy to help in troubleshooting. > MOD_PYTHON ERROR >=20 > ProcessId: 17237 > Interpreter: 'datatracker.ietf.org' >=20 > ServerName: 'datatracker.ietf.org' > DocumentRoot: '/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/static/' >=20 > URI: '/accounts/login/' > Location: '/accounts' > Directory: None > Filename: '/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/static/accounts' > PathInfo: '/login/' >=20 > Phase: 'PythonHandler' > Handler: 'django.core.handlers.modpython' >=20 > Traceback (most recent call last): >=20 > File "/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/mod_python/importer.py", lin= e 1537, in HandlerDispatch > default=3Ddefault_handler, arg=3Dreq, silent=3Dhlist.silent) >=20 > File "/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/mod_python/importer.py", lin= e 1229, in _process_target > result =3D _execute_target(config, req, object, arg) >=20 > File "/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/mod_python/importer.py", lin= e 1128, in _execute_target > result =3D object(arg) >=20 > File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/django/core/handlers/modpython.py",= line 228, in handler > return ModPythonHandler()(req) >=20 > File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/django/core/handlers/modpython.py",= line 201, in __call__ > response =3D self.get_response(request) >=20 > File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/django/core/handlers/base.py", line= 73, in get_response > response =3D middleware_method(request) >=20 > File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/django/contrib/auth/middleware.py",= line 63, in process_request > user =3D auth.authenticate(remote_user=3Dusername) >=20 > File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/3.59/django/contrib/auth/__init__.py", = line 37, in authenticate > user =3D backend.authenticate(**credentials) >=20 > File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/ietf/ietfauth/auth.py", line 91, in= authenticate > user =3D RemoteUserBackend.authenticate(self, remote_user) >=20 > File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/django/contrib/auth/backends.py", l= ine 116, in authenticate > user, created =3D User.objects.get_or_create(username=3Dusername) >=20 > File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/3.59/django/db/models/manager.py", line= 123, in get_or_create > return self.get_query_set().get_or_create(**kwargs) >=20 > File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/3.59/django/db/models/query.py", line 3= 43, in get_or_create > raise e >=20 > IntegrityError: (1062, "Duplicate entry 'enrico.marocco@telecomitalia.i= ' for key 2") --=20 Ciao, Enrico --------------ms080205030804020508060301 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIM7jCC BjQwggQcoAMCAQICAR4wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwfTELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNVBAoT DVN0YXJ0Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNp Z25pbmcxKTAnBgNVBAMTIFN0YXJ0Q29tIENlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gQXV0aG9yaXR5MB4XDTA3 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(envelope-from ) id 1QuPIa-0003YK-4r; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:39:49 +0200 Message-ID: <4E4E679C.5070008@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:39:40 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Enrico Marocco References: <4E4E1847.7090802@telecomitalia.it> In-Reply-To: <4E4E1847.7090802@telecomitalia.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 90.230.136.60 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: enrico.marocco@telecomitalia.it, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Python exception at idtracker login X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:39:07 -0000 Hi Enrico, Good guess, but the reason is actually somewhat different. Notice that the login name is cut of, missing the last letter. The problem is that the login name field is limited to 30 characters in the database, and your login name (email address) is longer... This will be handled eventually, but right now it would be best if it was possible for your to use a shorter email address, and ask the secretariat to change over to that for your WG chair duties. Sorry for the trouble :-( Best regards, Henrik On 2011-08-19 10:01 Enrico Marocco said the following: > Hi, > > I get the following error when attempting to log in the idtracker > section of the datatracker (to request the publication of a WG doc): > >> IntegrityError: (1062, "Duplicate entry 'enrico.marocco@telecomitalia.i' for key 2") > > Trying to guess from the error string, the problem may be related to the > fact that my account was in fact created twice, the second time when I > became chair of an additional WG. Anyone experienced the same issue? > > Below's the full tracecback, will be happy to help in troubleshooting. > >> MOD_PYTHON ERROR >> >> ProcessId: 17237 >> Interpreter: 'datatracker.ietf.org' >> >> ServerName: 'datatracker.ietf.org' >> DocumentRoot: '/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/static/' >> >> URI: '/accounts/login/' >> Location: '/accounts' >> Directory: None >> Filename: '/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/static/accounts' >> PathInfo: '/login/' >> >> Phase: 'PythonHandler' >> Handler: 'django.core.handlers.modpython' >> >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> >> File "/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/mod_python/importer.py", line 1537, in HandlerDispatch >> default=default_handler, arg=req, silent=hlist.silent) >> >> File "/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/mod_python/importer.py", line 1229, in _process_target >> result = _execute_target(config, req, object, arg) >> >> File "/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/mod_python/importer.py", line 1128, in _execute_target >> result = object(arg) >> >> File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/django/core/handlers/modpython.py", line 228, in handler >> return ModPythonHandler()(req) >> >> File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/django/core/handlers/modpython.py", line 201, in __call__ >> response = self.get_response(request) >> >> File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 73, in get_response >> response = middleware_method(request) >> >> File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/django/contrib/auth/middleware.py", line 63, in process_request >> user = auth.authenticate(remote_user=username) >> >> File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/3.59/django/contrib/auth/__init__.py", line 37, in authenticate >> user = backend.authenticate(**credentials) >> >> File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/ietf/ietfauth/auth.py", line 91, in authenticate >> user = RemoteUserBackend.authenticate(self, remote_user) >> >> File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/web/django/contrib/auth/backends.py", line 116, in authenticate >> user, created = User.objects.get_or_create(username=username) >> >> File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/3.59/django/db/models/manager.py", line 123, in get_or_create >> return self.get_query_set().get_or_create(**kwargs) >> >> File "/a/www/ietf-datatracker/3.59/django/db/models/query.py", line 343, in get_or_create >> raise e >> >> IntegrityError: (1062, "Duplicate entry 'enrico.marocco@telecomitalia.i' for key 2") > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Aug 24 00:45:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65D021F8772 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 00:45:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.053 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.053 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.454, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AEDTgp-mG2u6 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 00:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AB57421F86C1 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 00:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Aug 2011 07:46:44 -0000 Received: from p508F9EAC.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [80.143.158.172] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 24 Aug 2011 09:46:44 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19PSM5+k3pPZFRPTDD7ko8ORBbT729U0RyHE4gMBu ulJ7L71dG/lkU0 Message-ID: <4E54AC63.7010706@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:46:43 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS discussion References: <4E1AAE2E.8010805@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4E1AAE2E.8010805@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Mark Nottingham Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Draft submission tools regression X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:45:40 -0000 On 2011-07-11 10:02, Julian Reschke wrote: > Hi there, > > the new submission tool fails to extract author names from ... long > author lists (in this case, a 9 name list [1]). The old tool did this > properly (or maybe failed in a less obvious way). > > Best regards, Julian This is still the case and really annoying if you need to submit seven drafts in a row. Is this tracked somewhere? Best regards, Julian From esanchez@yaco.es Wed Aug 24 02:45:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0335221F8B21 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:45:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.817 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.817 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX=1.482, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WVhEYD1W6j0A for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com (mail-ww0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F92821F8B02 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwf5 with SMTP id 5so689350wwf.13 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.200.84 with SMTP id ev20mr47608wbb.76.1314179186384; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.193] ([77.227.215.107]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id el9sm682981wbb.58.2011.08.24.02.46.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 24 Aug 2011 02:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E54C86E.2010802@yaco.es> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:46:22 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Emilio_A=2E_S=E1nchez=22?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <4E1AAE2E.8010805@gmx.de> <4E54AC63.7010706@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4E54AC63.7010706@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Draft submission tools regression X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:45:18 -0000 Hi Julian, I suppose that you have problems with draft http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-httpbis-p1-messaging-15.txt I've been looking for the bug and I've found the problem. The new tool checks the authors in the first page but only in the first 15 lines. With this limitation if the author list is so long then some authors are ignored. Henrik, could you take a look at line 419 of draft.py [1]. I think that this code belongs to you so you maybe now if it's safe to extend this 15 lines limit or maybe check the first page in some other way. I've opened ticket http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/705 so this bug get tracked. Best, [1] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/ietf/utils/draft.py#L419 El 24/08/11 09:46, Julian Reschke escribió: > On 2011-07-11 10:02, Julian Reschke wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> the new submission tool fails to extract author names from ... long >> author lists (in this case, a 9 name list [1]). The old tool did this >> properly (or maybe failed in a less obvious way). >> >> Best regards, Julian > > This is still the case and really annoying if you need to submit seven > drafts in a row. > > Is this tracked somewhere? > > Best regards, Julian > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Aug 24 03:21:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2640E21F8839 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:21:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.244 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.244 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.945, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KzF2-h2Q3gH1 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D12C521F8514 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Aug 2011 10:23:03 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp019) with SMTP; 24 Aug 2011 12:23:03 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/oSntD0hXo4tYImNUlBRyx2997jURsSiczTVIY8o j7YF3++vncBjyD Message-ID: <4E54D106.2010900@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:23:02 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Emilio_A=2E_S=E1nchez=22?= References: <4E1AAE2E.8010805@gmx.de> <4E54AC63.7010706@gmx.de> <4E54C86E.2010802@yaco.es> In-Reply-To: <4E54C86E.2010802@yaco.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Draft submission tools regression X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:21:56 -0000 On 2011-08-24 11:46, "Emilio A. Sánchez" wrote: > Hi Julian, > > I suppose that you have problems with draft > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-httpbis-p1-messaging-15.txt > > I've been looking for the bug and I've found the problem. The new tool > checks the authors in the first page but only in the first 15 lines. > With this limitation if the author list is so long then some authors are > ignored. > > Henrik, could you take a look at line 419 of draft.py [1]. I think that > this code belongs to you so you maybe now if it's safe to extend this 15 > lines limit or maybe check the first page in some other way. > > I've opened ticket http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/705 so > this bug get tracked. > > Best, > ... Hi Emilio, thanks for the feedback! Best regards, Julian From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Aug 25 07:05:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E85C21F87C5 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:05:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tMdrrybi+cMA for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BB721F86D0 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:52093 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1QwaZM-0002WI-RI; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:06:09 +0200 Message-ID: <4E5656D0.6000202@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:06:08 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110804 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4E1AAE2E.8010805@gmx.de> <4E54AC63.7010706@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4E54AC63.7010706@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: julian.reschke@gmx.de, tools-discuss@ietf.org, mnot@mnot.net, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Mark Nottingham , IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Draft submission tools regression X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:05:05 -0000 Hi Julian, I see you've received a response from Emilio, and I'll also have a look at this. I'd just like to point out that it's much more likely that you'll get an immediate fix if you provide the input needed to debug the problem together with the problem report... Best regards, Henrik On 2011-08-24 09:46 Julian Reschke said: > On 2011-07-11 10:02, Julian Reschke wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> the new submission tool fails to extract author names from ... long >> author lists (in this case, a 9 name list [1]). The old tool did this >> properly (or maybe failed in a less obvious way). >> >> Best regards, Julian > > This is still the case and really annoying if you need to submit seven > drafts in a row. > > Is this tracked somewhere? > > Best regards, Julian > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From glen@amsl.com Fri Aug 26 09:43:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E7321F8C57; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:43:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.374 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.374 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.226, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JRRs1Le7-sy2; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E441721F8B46; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C00F33A2002; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:44:32 -0700 From: Glen To: Adrian Farrel Message-ID: <20110826164432.GA1694@amsl.com> References: <04ae01cc640e$8fa1d810$aee58830$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <04ae01cc640e$8fa1d810$aee58830$@olddog.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: tools-development@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, iesg-secretary@iesg.org, iesg@ietf.org, mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] MPLS WG Secretary with real problems X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:43:32 -0000 Adrian - Yes, this is a database problem, and is being handled in the redesign. But there is no solution for it at this time. The short email address is the correct solution. Something from gmail would be fine. Then have him contact the IETF secretariat, and they will make the change. Glen Glen Barney IT Director AMS (IETF Secretariat) On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 05:38:17PM +0100, Adrian Farrel wrote: > HI, > > We are in a bit of a mess. > > The MPLS WG secretary is blessed with a long email address > (martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com). Apparently this causes tools login a big > problem with truncation at 30 characters. > > The result seems to be a variety of messy symptoms not limited to: > > - duplicate login credentials created > - tools crashes on login > - able to log in but not to do anything > - duplicate entry appearing on MPLS charter page > > This is stopping Martin from doing work and pushing the work back on chairs, AD, > and secretariat. > > My ideal fix would be that we support >30 characters. I going to guess this is a > DB problem not just a compile-time limit. > > Failing that, and assuming that martin does not want to change job to work for a > company with a shorter name (or change his own name to something more compact) > we will find a suitable short email address for him, and ask you to flush his > record and start again. > > Please advise. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Martin Vigoureux [mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com] > > Sent: 26 August 2011 17:11 > > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk > > Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org > > Subject: Re: Tidying links on the MPLS charter page > > > > Adrian, > > > > I had some fears about this and it might be that I had good reason > > to have some: > > I can log on the Meeting Material Manager but do not have any right > > any more to do anything ... (can't upload the minutes for example) > > I do not know if it is a bug of the MMM or that removing an instance > > of my address from the charter page had this impact. > > A similar thing happened in the past when I was removed from the > > list mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org. I lost all my rights. > > > > I'll send the minutes to Wanda but we'll need to have this fixed. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > -m > > > > Le 14/08/2011 16:49, Adrian Farrel a ?crit : > > > Hi, > > > > > > Two things that I don't believe need IESG approval. > > > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ shows... > > > > > > Secretaries: > > > Martin Vigoureux > > > Martin Vigoureux > > > > > > Although Martin is remarkably present, I think there is only one of him. Can > you > > > sort this out? > > > > > > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ also shows... > > > > > > The Working Group chairs tracking of the working group documents can > be > > > viewed at http://www.tla-group.com/~mpls/mpls-wg-docs.htm > > > > > > The content at this is URL is very out of date and is not maintained. Could > you > > > please remove this paragraph? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Adrian. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > From Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com Fri Aug 26 14:26:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B498A21F89BA for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:26:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.196 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.196 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.190, BAYES_05=-1.11, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NqO0Lceg59Zw for ; 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U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110805 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TechSupport via RT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {11025:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:smtp auth 216.113.168.128 authed with jeff.hodges+kingsmountain.com} Cc: IETF Tools List Subject: [Tools-discuss] fyi: datatracker.ietf.org uses an invalid security certificate X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:26:42 -0000 Tried to resolve https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6125/ and got... > datatracker.ietf.org uses an invalid security certificate. > > The certificate expired on 08/25/2011 04:59 PM. > > (Error code: sec_error_expired_certificate) HTH =JeffH From evnikita2@gmail.com Sun Aug 28 09:10:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF19B21F8A80 for ; 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Sun, 28 Aug 2011 09:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([195.191.104.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p11sm3035813faa.22.2011.08.28.09.11.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 28 Aug 2011 09:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E5A68D5.8050308@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 19:12:05 +0300 From: Mykyta Yevstifeyev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker 3.60 and RFC 6293 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:10:12 -0000 I've seen the new link in the Datatracker to . Currently, the only useful thing I managed to perform is creating an account, nothing more (maybe I'm not seeing everything?). I guess this is in some way related to recently published RFC 6293; so could somebody clarify this? Mykyta From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Aug 29 05:17:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA0021F8B12 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 05:17:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.090, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N2UfgzdrRSgh for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 05:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C7E21F8B11 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 05:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:54075 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1Qy0nV-0005n2-2q; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:18:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4E5B839B.5070609@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:18:35 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mykyta Yevstifeyev References: <4E5A68D5.8050308@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E5A68D5.8050308@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: evnikita2@gmail.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker 3.60 and RFC 6293 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:17:30 -0000 On 2011-08-28 18:12 Mykyta Yevstifeyev said: > I've seen the new link in the Datatracker to > . Currently, the only useful > thing I managed to perform is creating an account, nothing more (maybe > I'm not seeing everything?). I guess this is in some way related to > recently published RFC 6293; so could somebody clarify this? WYSIWYG From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Aug 29 05:22:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB9121F86AB for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 05:22:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.518 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.518 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.082, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y5XXigLjRiXK for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 05:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3699521F8532 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 05:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:54101 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1Qy0s2-0003WC-PT; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:23:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4E5B84B6.6050707@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:23:18 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =JeffH References: <4E580FDC.1090403@KingsMountain.com> In-Reply-To: <4E580FDC.1090403@KingsMountain.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF Tools List Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] fyi: datatracker.ietf.org uses an invalid security certificate X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:22:03 -0000 Hi Jeff, On 2011-08-26 23:27 =JeffH said: > > datatracker.ietf.org uses an invalid security certificate. > > > > The certificate expired on 08/25/2011 04:59 PM. Yes. I notified the secretariat last week, and was told that this is known and being worked on. Best regards, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Aug 29 06:08:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101CD21F8AEC; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 06:08:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ONZlqHSFDNW2; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 06:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8960421F8AF2; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 06:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:55086 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1Qy1a9-0006yi-IG; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:08:57 +0200 Message-ID: <4E5B8F64.6080800@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:08:52 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen References: <04ae01cc640e$8fa1d810$aee58830$@olddog.co.uk> <20110826164432.GA1694@amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20110826164432.GA1694@amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: glen@amsl.com, adrian@olddog.co.uk, tools-development@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, iesg-secretary@iesg.org, iesg@ietf.org, mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-development@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, iesg-secretary@iesg.org, iesg@ietf.org, Adrian Farrel , mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] MPLS WG Secretary with real problems X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:08:02 -0000 Hi, I've now changed the 30-character limit on usernames in the IETF database and in Django's User model (the new limit is 64 characters). Unless there are limitations elsewhere in the system, it should now be possible for people with long email addresses to log as WG chairs and do their stuff. Best regards, Henrik On 2011-08-26 18:44 Glen said: > Adrian - > > Yes, this is a database problem, and is being handled in the redesign. But > there is no solution for it at this time. The short email address is the > correct solution. Something from gmail would be fine. > > Then have him contact the IETF secretariat, and they will make the change. > > Glen > Glen Barney > IT Director > AMS (IETF Secretariat) > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 05:38:17PM +0100, Adrian Farrel wrote: >> HI, >> >> We are in a bit of a mess. >> >> The MPLS WG secretary is blessed with a long email address >> (martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com). Apparently this causes tools login a big >> problem with truncation at 30 characters. >> >> The result seems to be a variety of messy symptoms not limited to: >> >> - duplicate login credentials created >> - tools crashes on login >> - able to log in but not to do anything >> - duplicate entry appearing on MPLS charter page >> >> This is stopping Martin from doing work and pushing the work back on chairs, AD, >> and secretariat. >> >> My ideal fix would be that we support >30 characters. I going to guess this is a >> DB problem not just a compile-time limit. >> >> Failing that, and assuming that martin does not want to change job to work for a >> company with a shorter name (or change his own name to something more compact) >> we will find a suitable short email address for him, and ask you to flush his >> record and start again. >> >> Please advise. >> >> Thanks, >> Adrian >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Martin Vigoureux [mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com] >>> Sent: 26 August 2011 17:11 >>> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk >>> Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: Tidying links on the MPLS charter page >>> >>> Adrian, >>> >>> I had some fears about this and it might be that I had good reason >>> to have some: >>> I can log on the Meeting Material Manager but do not have any right >>> any more to do anything ... (can't upload the minutes for example) >>> I do not know if it is a bug of the MMM or that removing an instance >>> of my address from the charter page had this impact. >>> A similar thing happened in the past when I was removed from the >>> list mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org. I lost all my rights. >>> >>> I'll send the minutes to Wanda but we'll need to have this fixed. >>> >>> Thanks for your help. >>> -m >>> >>> Le 14/08/2011 16:49, Adrian Farrel a ?crit : >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Two things that I don't believe need IESG approval. >>>> >>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ shows... >>>> >>>> Secretaries: >>>> Martin Vigoureux >>>> Martin Vigoureux >>>> >>>> Although Martin is remarkably present, I think there is only one of him. Can >> you >>>> sort this out? >>>> >>>> >>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/charter/ also shows... >>>> >>>> The Working Group chairs tracking of the working group documents can >> be >>>> viewed at http://www.tla-group.com/~mpls/mpls-wg-docs.htm >>>> >>>> The content at this is URL is very out of date and is not maintained. Could >> you >>>> please remove this paragraph? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Adrian. >>>> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >> > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From dhc2@dcrocker.net Mon Aug 29 09:03:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D2221F8BBA for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:03:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.497, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dng9dVTYZQaf for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E29121F8BB8 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.156] (adsl-68-122-69-114.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [68.122.69.114]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7TG4bmR008939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:04:42 -0700 Message-ID: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:04:37 -0700 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tools-discuss] producing links to datatracker rather than tools version of docs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:03:18 -0000 Folks, The datatracker is now sufficiently mature and that it offers significantly better functionality to warrant efforts to make it be the preferred source for IETF published documents. This means that a search for an I-D or an RFC should produce a datatracker link rather than, for example, a tools reference. Currently, a google for a document always produces tools references at higher ranking and often produces no datatracker reference in the initial set. Another change should be to have IETF announcements of RFCs and Internet Drafts produce a datatracker-based URL. To be clear about the benefits: The datatracker provides extremely important context for documents, such as History, IESG record and Errata. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From fred@cisco.com Mon Aug 29 09:38:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8A521F8BBD for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:38:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.811 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.811 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.212, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8EwkOtS5LxPs for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD76621F8BB1 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:38:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=2143; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1314635971; x=1315845571; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7P14HD7d97iSbZyNIbs86k8Au23O/AIdcoLzd2LlXu0=; b=EDWRqLm4XWN5pUvCZETW840c5th+G41Oaa0DzYF/HcdXTf9JjTA2uUv0 s5b/IDRR0gZLvJPvoKQQ9zBazfNwLsCdNtT7p6vXYXKUBt78XC9Mps8Iv 7XrOsLIkvyt9fVV86GopFjFWzGYsmIkKlJ7j3w6wcj2EVVDxlnBC23kZA o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlsGAOS/W06rRDoI/2dsb2JhbABCmFePF3eBQAEBAQECAQEBAQ8BJzQLBQsLRicwGQkZh1AEmncBnm+FbGAEh2SLO4UOjBY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,297,1312156800"; d="scan'208";a="17483223" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Aug 2011 16:39:30 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com [10.32.244.219]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7TGdT47008001; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:39:29 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:39:31 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com on Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:39:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:38:57 -0700 Message-Id: <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> References: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> To: dcrocker@bbiw.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] producing links to datatracker rather than tools version of docs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:38:06 -0000 On Aug 29, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > Folks, >=20 > The datatracker is now sufficiently mature and that it offers = significantly better functionality to warrant efforts to make it be the = preferred source for IETF published documents. >=20 > This means that a search for an I-D or an RFC should produce a = datatracker link rather than, for example, a tools reference. = Currently, a google for a document always produces tools references at = higher ranking and often produces no datatracker reference in the = initial set. >=20 > Another change should be to have IETF announcements of RFCs and = Internet Drafts produce a datatracker-based URL. >=20 > To be clear about the benefits: The datatracker provides extremely = important context for documents, such as History, IESG record and = Errata. I disagree. Right now, my personal tool gives both links - for example: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vanrein-v6ops-6bed4 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vanrein-v6ops-6bed4 "IPv6 Tunneling for Embedded Systems (6bed4)", Rick van Rein, = 25-Jul-11 The datatracker tells me about IESG history, but it doesn't tell me = working group history apart from current WG state, and it doesn't give = me diffs - which the tools link does. At this point, I'm using both and = find neither one predominant. For RFCs, I have a number of options: http://www.google.com/search?q=3Drfc6296 gets me a list of = pointers =46rom that, http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6296 gets me an overview and the = text http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6296 gets me a link to the ID and = text What I don't see being accessed, at least as reported by Google, are http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6296/?include_text=3D1 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc6296.txt or http://www.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc6296.txt > d/ >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From dhc2@dcrocker.net Mon Aug 29 09:48:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B105121F8C1C for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:48:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.143 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.143 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.456, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eim-ft3tNSaY for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2CE21F8C17 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.156] (adsl-68-122-69-114.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [68.122.69.114]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7TGnfXT009966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:49:46 -0700 Message-ID: <4E5BC325.5070700@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:49:41 -0700 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker References: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 09:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] producing links to datatracker rather than tools version of docs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:48:24 -0000 On 8/29/2011 9:38 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > I disagree. Right now, my personal tool gives both links - for example: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vanrein-v6ops-6bed4 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vanrein-v6ops-6bed4 "IPv6 Tunneling for > Embedded Systems (6bed4)", Rick van Rein, 25-Jul-11 I'm sure folks' personal tools do all sorts of useful things. I am commenting on public search tools and gave google as the example. I also commented on on the formal announcements we make that include links. > The datatracker tells me about IESG history, but it doesn't tell me working > group history apart from current WG state, and it doesn't give me diffs - > which the tools link does. At this point, I'm using both and find neither one > predominant. It does give a diff. Under the history tab for a draft, the first section on the page is for getting a diff. It defaults to the current compared with immediately preceding, but is easily set to different versions. (The tools capability is fixed to only give current compared with immediately preceding.) If you feel that the design of the datatracker is suboptimal, that's worth pursuing separately. I had thought that the money spent on the datatracker was to produce a production capability and that the tools one was the prototype. Is this not correct? > For RFCs, I have a number of options: http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc6296 > gets me a list of pointers None of the choices produced for me inlcude the datatracker. In general I would expect that one of the expectations for spending money to develop the datatracker ought to be our making it preferred and easily found, rather than requiring folk to already know to use it. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From touch@isi.edu Mon Aug 29 11:05:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0039321F8C43 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:05:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8IfpIUP4IFGW for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3546D21F8C54 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.0.51] ([209.116.57.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by boreas.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7TI5W7N012027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E5BD4EC.5000300@isi.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:05:32 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker References: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Cc: dcrocker@bbiw.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] producing links to datatracker rather than tools version of docs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:05:12 -0000 +1 It was useful to determine a canonical URL for RFCs; given the ephemeral nature of IDs, I'm not sure it's as important. However, if we want to change the content of an ID URL response we should change the response, not provide a different URL. Joe On 8/29/2011 9:38 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > > On Aug 29, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> The datatracker is now sufficiently mature and that it offers significantly better functionality to warrant efforts to make it be the preferred source for IETF published documents. >> >> This means that a search for an I-D or an RFC should produce a datatracker link rather than, for example, a tools reference. Currently, a google for a document always produces tools references at higher ranking and often produces no datatracker reference in the initial set. >> >> Another change should be to have IETF announcements of RFCs and Internet Drafts produce a datatracker-based URL. >> >> To be clear about the benefits: The datatracker provides extremely important context for documents, such as History, IESG record and Errata. > > I disagree. Right now, my personal tool gives both links - for example: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vanrein-v6ops-6bed4 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vanrein-v6ops-6bed4 > "IPv6 Tunneling for Embedded Systems (6bed4)", Rick van Rein, 25-Jul-11 > > The datatracker tells me about IESG history, but it doesn't tell me working group history apart from current WG state, and it doesn't give me diffs - which the tools link does. At this point, I'm using both and find neither one predominant. > > For RFCs, I have a number of options: > http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc6296 gets me a list of pointers > >> From that, > http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6296 gets me an overview and the text > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6296 gets me a link to the ID and text > > What I don't see being accessed, at least as reported by Google, are > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6296/?include_text=1 > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc6296.txt > or http://www.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc6296.txt > >> d/ >> >> -- >> >> Dave Crocker >> Brandenburg InternetWorking >> bbiw.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Mon Aug 29 11:13:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D6521F8C99 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:13:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p8TJHiYRVRWS for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906A221F8C98 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.19.131.112] ([12.130.118.19]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p7TIEOkm043893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:14:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <4E5BC325.5070700@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:14:22 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <47A9E2BE-9113-4BFE-8D40-BD8BBC01AAB3@vpnc.org> References: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> <4E5BC325.5070700@dcrocker.net> To: Tools Team Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) Cc: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] producing links to datatracker rather than tools version of docs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:13:11 -0000 On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > I'm sure folks' personal tools do all sorts of useful things. I am = commenting on public search tools and gave google as the example. I = also commented on on the formal announcements we make that include = links. I agree that the formal announcements should probably point to the = IETF-hosted Datatracker. Having said that... > The datatracker tells me about IESG history, but it doesn't tell me = working >> group history apart from current WG state, and it doesn't give me = diffs - > > which the tools link does. At this point, I'm using both and find = neither one > > predominant. >=20 > It does give a diff. Under the history tab for a draft, the first = section on the page is for getting a diff. It defaults to the current = compared with immediately preceding, but is easily set to different = versions. (The tools capability is fixed to only give current compared = with immediately preceding.) >=20 > If you feel that the design of the datatracker is suboptimal, that's = worth pursuing separately. It might be better to wait on making the change to point to the = Datatracker until the Datatracker has a stable set of functionality. For = example, many people have complained that the default view of the = Datatracker for drafts is an abbreviated version that has to be = expanded. Others have complained about the diff being hidden behind two = clicks. Others have complained about ... . There has not been a concerted effort to get a general consensus on the = main Datatracker functionality for drafts and RFCs. If such an effort = takes place, there is a 100% chance that the web UI will change. > I had thought that the money spent on the datatracker was to produce a = production capability and that the tools one was the prototype. Is this = not correct? The first assertion is true but not sufficient for your request. The = second is not true. The Tools tool has different levels of deployment = status, but I don't think any is considered a prototype for the = Datatracker. >> For RFCs, I have a number of options: = http://www.google.com/search?q=3Drfc6296 >> gets me a list of pointers >=20 > None of the choices produced for me inlcude the datatracker. The RFC Editor might, in fact, prefer that rfc-editor.org appear before = the Datatracker. This is a serious consideration before the IETF asks = "one of our contacts" at Google to change the preferred search results = for RFCs. > In general I would expect that one of the expectations for spending = money to develop the datatracker ought to be our making it preferred and = easily found, rather than requiring folk to already know to use it. +1 --Paul Hoffman From richard.barnes@gmail.com Mon Aug 29 11:45:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2478021F8CDA for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:45:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.611, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8YD+72XLui-8 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B6221F8CC0 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywe9 with SMTP id 9so5814981ywe.31 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:47:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ym3pP385YS4kaFbz/mxxpFLUK+gFRcNAQqSrhXhVKWE=; b=qLS2qBWWQHbtbD4Z6MG07I6hHOENVqInF3NPng8r/eWNs35cAJtXltNGyCTX6bqNe8 bNr2XOry5TPF0Ume7pku8mE4J5+LTRu0Wj+Fs/oUVzoIzhTvvsrvvc8jBjegrzqnWg7Y mLzp5j77GW7y/rTbe6YbWv2zcHxRjPhFUgtcs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.191.136 with SMTP id g8mr28001886yhn.5.1314643632355; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.146.39 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:47:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E5BD4EC.5000300@isi.edu> References: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> <4E5BD4EC.5000300@isi.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:47:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Richard Barnes To: Joe Touch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Fred Baker , tools-discuss@ietf.org, dcrocker@bbiw.net Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] producing links to datatracker rather than tools version of docs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:45:49 -0000 ISTM that the tools system already provides a stable URL for I-Ds, although maybe as a consequence rather than an intended feature. After-all, if you leave the version number off of a draft, you always get the newest version, e.g.: I've actually found that particular feature useful on several occasions. --Richard On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Joe Touch wrote: > +1 > > It was useful to determine a canonical URL for RFCs; given the ephemeral > nature of IDs, I'm not sure it's as important. > > However, if we want to change the content of an ID URL response we should > change the response, not provide a different URL. > > Joe > > > On 8/29/2011 9:38 AM, Fred Baker wrote: >> >> On Aug 29, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: >> >>> Folks, >>> >>> The datatracker is now sufficiently mature and that it offers >>> significantly better functionality to warrant efforts to make it be the >>> preferred source for IETF published documents. >>> >>> This means that a search for an I-D or an RFC should produce a >>> datatracker link rather than, for example, a tools reference. =A0Curren= tly, a >>> google for a document always produces tools references at higher rankin= g and >>> often produces no datatracker reference in the initial set. >>> >>> Another change should be to have IETF announcements of RFCs and Interne= t >>> Drafts produce a datatracker-based URL. >>> >>> To be clear about the benefits: =A0The datatracker provides extremely >>> important context for documents, such as History, IESG record and Errat= a. >> >> I disagree. Right now, my personal tool gives both links - for example: >> >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vanrein-v6ops-6bed4 >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vanrein-v6ops-6bed4 >> =A0 "IPv6 Tunneling for Embedded Systems (6bed4)", Rick van Rein, 25-Jul= -11 >> >> The datatracker tells me about IESG history, but it doesn't tell me >> working group history apart from current WG state, and it doesn't give m= e >> diffs - which the tools link does. At this point, I'm using both and fin= d >> neither one predominant. >> >> For RFCs, I have a number of options: >> =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.google.com/search?q=3Drfc6296 gets me a list of p= ointers >> >>> From that, >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6296 gets me an overview a= nd the >> text >> =A0 =A0 =A0 http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6296 gets me a link to the ID = and text >> >> What I don't see being accessed, at least as reported by Google, are >> =A0 =A0 =A0 http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6296/?include_text=3D1 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc6296.txt >> or =A0 =A0http://www.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc6296.txt >> >>> d/ >>> >>> -- >>> >>> =A0Dave Crocker >>> =A0Brandenburg InternetWorking >>> =A0bbiw.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From dhc2@dcrocker.net Mon Aug 29 11:54:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CAF21F8C5E for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:54:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.178 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.178 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.421, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wu9NBa090tCc for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C0321F8C47 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.156] (adsl-68-122-69-114.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [68.122.69.114]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7TIuF6i012627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:56:20 -0700 Message-ID: <4E5BE0CF.7060209@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:56:15 -0700 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> <4E5BC325.5070700@dcrocker.net> <47A9E2BE-9113-4BFE-8D40-BD8BBC01AAB3@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <47A9E2BE-9113-4BFE-8D40-BD8BBC01AAB3@vpnc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: [Tools-discuss] datatracker stablility X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:54:56 -0000 On 8/29/2011 11:14 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > many people have complained that the default view of the Datatracker for drafts is an abbreviated version that has to be expanded. Others have complained about the diff being hidden behind two clicks. Others have complained about ... . Where are these complaints being lodged? > There has not been a concerted effort to get a general consensus on the main Datatracker functionality for drafts and RFCs. I thought that that was what you had been paid to develop. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From dhc2@dcrocker.net Mon Aug 29 12:03:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2786B21F8BEE for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:03:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.391, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e7-PhFFPGbCI for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8372021F8770 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.156] (adsl-68-122-69-114.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [68.122.69.114]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7TJ57bs012745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:05:12 -0700 Message-ID: <4E5BE2E3.4050205@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:05:07 -0700 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> <4E5BD4EC.5000300@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] producing links to datatracker rather than tools version of docs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:03:48 -0000 > ISTM that the tools system already provides a stable URL for I-Ds, > although maybe as a consequence rather than an intended feature. > After-all, if you leave the version number off of a draft, you always > get the newest version, e.g.: > Folks, A number of the comments seem to be missing the underlying point I'm trying to make: We need to help folks who don't know the tricks. The two most significant way to help folks are through public search engine listings and through the formal notices. These should highlight the best entry we have available. We've just sent a heap of money on the datatracker and, indeed, it looks quite good. Let's help folks find it. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Aug 29 12:06:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50DC21F8C8D for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:06:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.586, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iEUJ9tV168ah for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DDE2021F8C8A for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Aug 2011 19:08:11 -0000 Received: from p508FA9C1.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [80.143.169.193] by mail.gmx.net (mp056) with SMTP; 29 Aug 2011 21:08:11 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/QN7IVdujQK2ipVeq2V2W3iTqli3OMFX8R1REF9g pHgVV4BtUZp9IV Message-ID: <4E5BE39A.5050407@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:08:10 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> <4E5BC325.5070700@dcrocker.net> <47A9E2BE-9113-4BFE-8D40-BD8BBC01AAB3@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <47A9E2BE-9113-4BFE-8D40-BD8BBC01AAB3@vpnc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Dave Crocker , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] producing links to datatracker rather than tools version of docs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:06:48 -0000 On 2011-08-29 20:14, Paul Hoffman wrote: > ... > The RFC Editor might, in fact, prefer that rfc-editor.org appear before the Datatracker. This is a serious consideration before the IETF asks "one of our contacts" at Google to change the preferred search results for RFCs. > ... Unless I'm missing something, that's not how things work. If we want a particular URI to rank high, we need to play by the rules: establish link relations, and make sure that sites with a high rank (wikipedia, for instance) actually link to the version we prefer. Best regards, Julian From hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz@gmail.com Mon Aug 29 12:11:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DD321F8CCF for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:11:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.913 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.913 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599, FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VatH+BNCBwEp for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF9421F8CD6 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so5912147gxk.31 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:12:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dnJZhWj4Fr9hTMUeLLOakfvtbhPqAyAlpq1tuXpHAMA=; b=vPKCQzkJJsaTDhM1NbMs28cOkwpG/0/nLz//9VOGi20PyU/rVAENf/NF23AagEOaPT VmO4ZkCGkCPgtCW+fUtTKpAvR5EHKSvt/pAUr4HOBmnOyx3khfLdZxw9asnoquwH9fQX C1FKm7Ly0kbj2i4RWNUvS2d4Uf1G0GNwEc+m0= Received: by 10.142.47.20 with SMTP id u20mr2712421wfu.184.1314645167235; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:12:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.98.5 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:12:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> References: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> From: Frank Ellermann Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:12:07 +0200 Message-ID: To: Fred Baker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] producing links to datatracker rather than tools version of docs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:11:24 -0000 On 29 August 2011 18:38, Fred Baker wrote: >> The datatracker provides extremely important context for documents, >> such as History, IESG record and Errata. > I disagree. Right now, my personal tool gives both links - for example: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vanrein-v6ops-6bed4 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vanrein-v6ops-6bed4 > =A0"IPv6 Tunneling for Embedded Systems (6bed4)", Rick van Rein, 25-Jul-1= 1 +1, and the RECOMMENDED (by me, not "officially") tools.ietf.org pages offer links to the tracker and the errata. In fact my personal tool (Google custom search) eliminates all links to other I-D and RFC repos, because they don't do what I want. Sadly some IETF mailing lists still list only "unusable" URLs instead of simply adding the "working" tools.ietf.org URL. -Frank From hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz@gmail.com Mon Aug 29 12:22:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEF421F8CDC for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:22:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.916 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.916 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.183, BAYES_00=-2.599, FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NnGor+GR6Inj for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D430D21F8C96 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so5922518gxk.31 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:24:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=vQcpT+UZRB7joNmydj1yRSn+sA44MFIchdODQLqbAt8=; b=SIvGw7o89dWnIq6s90swy5o3tzL0+0LrNow93qULCFFGx0y0B+Zdgo5dpQefbK+srD 9A5rpy59YhXY3ngF3NK4Q9YxsO6Lm2W6jd2VvYJAKqGZloZor6bhLHdpUpViFGGkj6FE 02zAnYAtFIS8xQPAbfccq00PokW/+mis+30z8= Received: by 10.143.69.12 with SMTP id w12mr2580995wfk.298.1314645857564; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:24:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.98.5 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:22:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E5BE39A.5050407@gmx.de> References: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> <4E5BC325.5070700@dcrocker.net> <47A9E2BE-9113-4BFE-8D40-BD8BBC01AAB3@vpnc.org> <4E5BE39A.5050407@gmx.de> From: Frank Ellermann Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:22:37 +0200 Message-ID: To: Julian Reschke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] producing links to datatracker rather than tools version of docs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:22:54 -0000 On 29 August 2011 21:08, Julian Reschke wrote: > Unless I'm missing something, that's not how things work. > If we want a particular URI to rank high, we need to play by the rules: > establish link relations, and make sure that sites with a high rank > (wikipedia, for instance) actually link to the version we prefer. Check out for the history of the current MediaWiki default. It's possible to define another rfcurl system message per MediaWiki project, but I'd scream if admins actually try that on any MediaWiki installations I care about. -Frank From touch@isi.edu Mon Aug 29 12:36:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4356C21F8C36 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:36:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IeWwULKLCTsN for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darkstar.isi.edu (darkstar.isi.edu [128.9.128.127]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4F721F8C2B for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.123.60.242] ([198.123.60.242]) (authenticated bits=0) by darkstar.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7TJbDFU029444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E5BEA69.9090709@isi.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:37:13 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> <4E5BC325.5070700@dcrocker.net> <47A9E2BE-9113-4BFE-8D40-BD8BBC01AAB3@vpnc.org> <4E5BE39A.5050407@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4E5BE39A.5050407@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Cc: Paul Hoffman , Tools Team Discussion , Dave Crocker Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] producing links to datatracker rather than tools version of docs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:36:17 -0000 On 8/29/2011 12:08 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2011-08-29 20:14, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> ... >> The RFC Editor might, in fact, prefer that rfc-editor.org appear >> before the Datatracker. This is a serious consideration before the >> IETF asks "one of our contacts" at Google to change the preferred >> search results for RFCs. >> ... > > Unless I'm missing something, that's not how things work. > > If we want a particular URI to rank high, we need to play by the rules: > establish link relations, and make sure that sites with a high rank > (wikipedia, for instance) actually link to the version we prefer. Or make sure most of them point to the same place ;-) Joe From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Aug 29 12:38:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFF421F8D01 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:38:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.17 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.17 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.571, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nE7aUptm0uo9 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 75E9721F8D00 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Aug 2011 19:39:41 -0000 Received: from p508FA9C1.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [80.143.169.193] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 29 Aug 2011 21:39:41 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18cFKQ2wBgczMQmJgrlkWDnq9MvF/Q3x4cCzDzB8T s2fI3OPQzRgqwn Message-ID: <4E5BEAF9.1050404@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:39:37 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Ellermann References: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> <4E5BC325.5070700@dcrocker.net> <47A9E2BE-9113-4BFE-8D40-BD8BBC01AAB3@vpnc.org> <4E5BE39A.5050407@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] producing links to datatracker rather than tools version of docs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:38:18 -0000 On 2011-08-29 21:22, Frank Ellermann wrote: > On 29 August 2011 21:08, Julian Reschke wrote: > >> Unless I'm missing something, that's not how things work. > >> If we want a particular URI to rank high, we need to play by the rules: >> establish link relations, and make sure that sites with a high rank >> (wikipedia, for instance) actually link to the version we prefer. > > Check out for > the history of the current MediaWiki default. It's possible to define > another rfcurl system message per MediaWiki project, but I'd scream if > admins actually try that on any MediaWiki installations I care about. Yep. I'm also not convinced that it's actually a good idea to make something that is currently being generated on the fly (it is, right), the default. I know that Henrik put a lot of work into the tools.ietf.org scripts to that everything that can be static *is* static, and that things scale well... From dkg@fifthhorseman.net Mon Aug 29 12:46:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7EEC21F8CFC for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:46:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KTsgFrOy5lct for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from che.mayfirst.org (che.mayfirst.org [209.234.253.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2540421F8CEA for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.23.207] (dsl254-070-154.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.70.154]) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 625C3F970 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4E5BECFF.90200@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:48:15 -0400 From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110807 Icedove/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <4E5BB895.2000802@dcrocker.net> <80B09CD2-295E-4819-BB26-89B56BF4FC4F@cisco.com> <4E5BC325.5070700@dcrocker.net> <47A9E2BE-9113-4BFE-8D40-BD8BBC01AAB3@vpnc.org> <4E5BE39A.5050407@gmx.de> <4E5BEAF9.1050404@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4E5BEAF9.1050404@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig5223CF4E4088A8428B03FC01" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] producing links to datatracker rather than tools version of docs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tools Team Discussion List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:46:51 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig5223CF4E4088A8428B03FC01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/29/2011 03:39 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > I know that Henrik put a lot of work into the tools.ietf.org scripts to= > that everything that can be static *is* static, and that things scale > well... fwiw, i'm quite happy with the tools pages. They're very clean, well-indexed, and provide stable URLs for per-page and per-section reference. They're also not distracting at all if you want to just focus on the RFC as-published. I understand that the datatracker has much more functionality available, though. Perhaps we could just convince Henrik to add an outbound link from the tools page to the relevant (stable) datatracker page? Many thanks to everyone who has worked on both tools and the datatracker. These are excellent resources. 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IMHO we need both types of link, because they serve different purposes. Brian On 2011-08-30 04:38, Fred Baker wrote: > On Aug 29, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> The datatracker is now sufficiently mature and that it offers significantly better functionality to warrant efforts to make it be the preferred source for IETF published documents. >> >> This means that a search for an I-D or an RFC should produce a datatracker link rather than, for example, a tools reference. Currently, a google for a document always produces tools references at higher ranking and often produces no datatracker reference in the initial set. >> >> Another change should be to have IETF announcements of RFCs and Internet Drafts produce a datatracker-based URL. >> >> To be clear about the benefits: The datatracker provides extremely important context for documents, such as History, IESG record and Errata. > > I disagree. Right now, my personal tool gives both links - for example: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vanrein-v6ops-6bed4 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vanrein-v6ops-6bed4 > "IPv6 Tunneling for Embedded Systems (6bed4)", Rick van Rein, 25-Jul-11 > > The datatracker tells me about IESG history, but it doesn't tell me working group history apart from current WG state, and it doesn't give me diffs - which the tools link does. At this point, I'm using both and find neither one predominant. > > For RFCs, I have a number of options: > http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc6296 gets me a list of pointers > >>From that, > http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6296 gets me an overview and the text > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6296 gets me a link to the ID and text > > What I don't see being accessed, at least as reported by Google, are > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6296/?include_text=1 > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc6296.txt > or http://www.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc6296.txt > >> d/ >> >> -- >> >> Dave Crocker >> Brandenburg InternetWorking >> bbiw.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From hmdmhdfmhdjmzdtjmzdtzktdkztdjz@gmail.com Mon Aug 29 20:10:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB75E21F8B10 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:10:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.180, BAYES_00=-2.599, FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wVHaIRhAbBy8 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f45.google.com (mail-pz0-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC9B21F8AE1 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so20859508pzk.18 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:08:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=9AhWeJACDmhRr5xjRFZ8KMQUy0g3iOJBGRXW8Nor+mI=; b=WqdKArZ9iFRV3iqC6vMAvw7MbVuVtxJ0o/rlyclRgkqufE/deAt3YyF1JfamNyw7ow vD3tK6H7lCvcytnPsN+AxEnlRzyh42Hh/T32VHXBTQS7NdS5wYvLnF4soZzKgL5PUh6l VnYmEFtNxkkd3A6nkOZvmDifof4EwaVD/f1RE= Received: by 10.142.158.3 with SMTP id g3mr2863660wfe.127.1314673702147; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:08:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.98.5 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:07:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Ellermann Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 05:07:42 +0200 Message-ID: To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [Tools-discuss] "document replaced by" (datatracker) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:10:47 -0000 Hi, is this list the place to report datatracker bugs? On the page the "document replaced by" link is broken: ...................................................^^^^^^^^^^^^ Manually removing the
does not help, it results in a 404 for . -Frank