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Subject: [Tools-discuss] Two problems in Drafts submission (was: I-D Action: draft-duerst-eai-mailto-01.txt)
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I would like to report two problems with the automatic IETF Draft 
submission and surrounding tools. For an example, please see the I-D 
Action announcement at the end of this mail.

1) Certain characters in Internet-Draft titles (such as apostrophes and
    angle brackets) get escaped to HTML/XML numeric character references,
    which is inappropriate and unreadable in text/plain. I have reported
    this problem to tools-discuss previously, but maybe that was the
    wrong place.

2) The tool doesn't correctly extract my name (Martin Duerst), instead
    it picks up my organization (Aoyama Gakuin University). The
    submission page for this is at
 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/submit/status/35282/0c80c33fdb742b7fbc07f1f4a21f3a83/
    The 'reason' for this seems to be that the line with my name in the
    "Authors' Addresses" section is folded. Nevertheless, this is new,
    it didn't happen previously, so it should be possible to fix it.
    (I'm sorry I submitted the draft with what turns out to be wrong
    metainformation.)

Regards,    Martin.

On 2011/09/07 10:30, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>
> 	Title           : The&#39;mailto&#39; URI/IRI Scheme
> 	Author(s)       : Aoyama Gakuin University
>                            Larry Masinter
>                            Jamie Zawinski
> 	Filename        : draft-duerst-eai-mailto-01.txt
> 	Pages           : 21
> 	Date            : 2011-09-06
>
>     This document defines the format of Uniform Resource Identifiers
>     (URIs) and Internationalized Resource Identfiers (IRIs) to identify
>     resources that are reached using Internet mail.  It adds the
>     possibility to use Email Address Internationalization (EAI) email
>     addresses (RFC4952bis) to the previous syntax of&#39;mailto&#39; URIs (RFC
>     6068).
>
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-duerst-eai-mailto-01.txt
>
> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>
> This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at:
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Olaf,

Thanks for the followup.

On 9/6/2011 1:54 PM, Olaf Kolkman (Acting RFC Series Editor) wrote:
> I am not a member of the tools list[*] and I have not followed the discussion
> closely, however a few remarks seem relevant: From the RFC-Editors
> perspective the copy as published by the RFC-Editor on the RFC-Editor webpage
> is the authoritative source and reference.

A couple of folk seem to have taken my note as suggesting that "authoritative" 
references and locations be changed.  That was not my intent.  My intent is to 
suggest taking steps to make the datatracker more visible.  That's quite 
different from "deprecating" particular archives.

(My understanding is that the datatracker /is/ intended to replace the 
equivalent tools.ietf.org mechanism, however.)

We are, after all, spending a heck of a lot of money on the datatracker and one 
would think we would want people to find it and even be told about it ahead of 
time, for specific documents, not just as a detached construct.


 > Also, the benefits that you point
> out are something that I would advise a future RSE to seriously look at
> implementing on the RFC Editor site.

Fair point.


> On a more personal note I'd add that once an RFC is published the History,
> IESG Record and Errata are only relevant to folk that are deeply embedded to
> the IETF context.

So, implementers and others who are not "embedded to the IETF context" don't 
care about Errata?  I would not have expected you to think that.

I thought that failure to integrate Errata with RFCs was considered a problem by 
rather more than esoteric IETFers.

d/

-- 

   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
   bbiw.net

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On 2011-09-07 03:45, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote:
> ...
> 2) The tool doesn't correctly extract my name (Martin Duerst), instead
> it picks up my organization (Aoyama Gakuin University). The
> submission page for this is at
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/submit/status/35282/0c80c33fdb742b7fbc07f1f4a21f3a83/
>
> The 'reason' for this seems to be that the line with my name in the
> "Authors' Addresses" section is folded. Nevertheless, this is new,
> it didn't happen previously, so it should be possible to fix it.
> (I'm sorry I submitted the draft with what turns out to be wrong
> metainformation.)
> ...

<brokenrecord>
If the submission tool accepted XML as primary format, it would have a 
much simpler time to extract the metadata correctly.
</brokenrecord>

Best regards, Julian

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Hi Martin,

Thanks for your report.  Some inline comments:

On 2011-09-07 03:45 "Martin J. D=FCrst" said the following:
> I would like to report two problems with the automatic IETF Draft=20
> submission and surrounding tools. For an example, please see the I-D=20
> Action announcement at the end of this mail.
>=20
> 1) Certain characters in Internet-Draft titles (such as apostrophes and=

>     angle brackets) get escaped to HTML/XML numeric character reference=
s,
>     which is inappropriate and unreadable in text/plain. I have reporte=
d
>     this problem to tools-discuss previously, but maybe that was the
>     wrong place.

The best place would be the datatracker issue tracker, and a link to that=

will appear in the datatracker itself with the next release.  It's at
   http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/

> 2) The tool doesn't correctly extract my name (Martin Duerst), instead
>     it picks up my organization (Aoyama Gakuin University). The
>     submission page for this is at
> =20
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/submit/status/35282/0c80c33fdb742b7fbc07f1=
f4a21f3a83/
>     The 'reason' for this seems to be that the line with my name in the=

>     "Authors' Addresses" section is folded. Nevertheless, this is new,
>     it didn't happen previously, so it should be possible to fix it.
>     (I'm sorry I submitted the draft with what turns out to be wrong
>     metainformation.)

I think you expect too much of a tool which has to apply heuristics in or=
der
to extract author names from plain-text format where people are prone to =
vary
the formatting as they please.  If you keep to the conventions most peopl=
e
use, you're most likely going to be OK with the new code which was put in=

place a few months ago -- it works for nearly all drafts now, while the o=
ld
tool produced a horrible amount of bad author data.  But if you give the =
tool
something like this, and expects it to do the right thing before it's upd=
ated
and tweaked to handle the situation, I think you expect too much.  From y=
our
draft:

>>    Martin Duerst (Note: Please write "Duerst" with u-umlaut wherever
>>                  possible, for example as "D&#252;rst" in XML and HTML=
=2E)

I've now tweaked the author extraction code to handle this case successfu=
lly
too; it will be part of the next datatracker release.  But things would h=
ave
worked better if you'd put the parentheses on a separate line this time.
(I'm absolutely sympathetic to the desire to have your name rendered prop=
erly
in a richer character set than ascii; please don't misunderstand my comme=
nt
as any kind of objection to this -- it's just that it's not so easy to do=

correct automatic author extraction from draft text as people seem to thi=
nk
=2E..)


Regards,

	Henrik


> Regards,    Martin.
>=20
> On 2011/09/07 10:30, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dir=
ectories.
>>
>> 	Title           : The&#39;mailto&#39; URI/IRI Scheme
>> 	Author(s)       : Aoyama Gakuin University
>>                            Larry Masinter
>>                            Jamie Zawinski
>> 	Filename        : draft-duerst-eai-mailto-01.txt
>> 	Pages           : 21
>> 	Date            : 2011-09-06
>>
>>     This document defines the format of Uniform Resource Identifiers
>>     (URIs) and Internationalized Resource Identfiers (IRIs) to identif=
y
>>     resources that are reached using Internet mail.  It adds the
>>     possibility to use Email Address Internationalization (EAI) email
>>     addresses (RFC4952bis) to the previous syntax of&#39;mailto&#39; U=
RIs (RFC
>>     6068).
>>
>>
>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-duerst-eai-mailto-01.txt
>>
>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>>
>> This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at:
>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-duerst-eai-mailto-01.txt
>> _______________________________________________
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Chairs -

Many of you have found places where the new WG tracking tool could be =
tweaked to make
it more useful for you. This is a high-bandwidth opportunity to make =
those tweaks happen.

Please join us, or identify someone you know who can work in the changes =
you need and=20
help them make it to this session.

All parts of the codebase are fair game, not just the WG tracking tool. =
We're keeping a list
of ideas for improvement  at =
<http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/EnhancementIdeas>.
If you have something that you've been wanting that's not on that list, =
please add it (or send
email to tools-discuss@ietf.org).

See you in Taipei!

RjS

Begin forwarded message:

> From: IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org>
> Date: September 8, 2011 8:48:29 AM CDT
> To: IETF Announcement list <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
> Cc: 82all@ietf.org, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
> Subject: Taipei IETF Codesprint
> Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org
>=20
> Taipei IETF Codesprint
>=20
> When:  Saturday, 12 November 2011, starting at 9:30 AM
>=20
> Where: IETF Hotel
>=20
> What:  A bunch of hackers get together to work on code for the IETF.
>     All code will become part of the open source IETF tools.
>=20
> Who:   Hopefully you can help
>=20
> Many of the results of previous codesprint activities are being
> used every day by the IETF community.  Significant enhancements
> to the Datatracker to support the IETF WG chairs have been recently
> deployed.  Experience with these enhancements may lead to new
> ideas.  Work to polish or improve these enhancements or other tools
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> Steve Conte will be helping with advance planning.  Henrik Levkowetz
> will be coordinating the event in Taipei.  You can find more =
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> here:
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>  http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF82Sprint
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> If you are able to participate, please sign up on the wiki at:
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">Chairs -<div><br></div><div>Many of you have found places where the =
new WG tracking tool could be tweaked to make</div><div>it more useful =
for you. This is a high-bandwidth opportunity to make those tweaks =
happen.</div><div><br></div><div>Please join us, or identify someone you =
know who can work in the changes&nbsp;you&nbsp;need =
and&nbsp;</div><div>help them make it to this =
session.</div><div><br></div><div>All parts of the codebase are fair =
game, not just the WG tracking tool. We're keeping a list</div><div>of =
ideas for improvement &nbsp;at &lt;<a =
href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/EnhancementIdeas">htt=
p://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/EnhancementIdeas</a>&gt;.</div><=
div>If you have something that you've been wanting that's not on that =
list, please add it (or send</div><div>email to <a =
href=3D"mailto:tools-discuss@ietf.org">tools-discuss@ietf.org</a>).</div><=
div><br></div><div>See you in =
Taipei!</div><div><br></div><div>RjS</div><div><div><br><div>Begin =
forwarded message:</div><br =
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font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>From: </b></span><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">IETF Chair &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:chair@ietf.org">chair@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br></span></div><div=
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margin-left: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Date: </b></span><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">September 8, 2011 =
8:48:29 AM CDT<br></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, =
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font-size:medium;">IETF Announcement list &lt;<a =
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margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, =
1);"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium;"><a href=3D"mailto:82all@ietf.org">82all@ietf.org</a>, =
IETF &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org">ietf@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span =
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Codesprint</b><br></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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font-size:medium;"><a =
href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org">ietf@ietf.org</a><br></span></div><br><div>T=
aipei IETF Codesprint<br><br>When: &nbsp;Saturday, 12 November 2011, =
starting at 9:30 AM<br><br>Where: IETF Hotel<br><br>What: &nbsp;A bunch =
of hackers get together to work on code for the IETF.<br> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;All code will become part of the open source =
IETF tools.<br><br>Who: &nbsp;&nbsp;Hopefully you can help<br><br>Many =
of the results of previous codesprint activities are being<br>used every =
day by the IETF community. &nbsp;Significant enhancements<br>to the =
Datatracker to support the IETF WG chairs have been =
recently<br>deployed. &nbsp;Experience with these enhancements may lead =
to new<br>ideas. &nbsp;Work to polish or improve these enhancements or =
other tools<br>is also most welcome.<br><br>Steve Conte will be helping =
with advance planning. &nbsp;Henrik Levkowetz<br>will be coordinating =
the event in Taipei. &nbsp;You can find more =
information<br>here:<br><br> &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF82Sprint">http://=
trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF82Sprint</a><br><br>If you are =
able to participate, please sign up on the wiki at:<br><br> &nbsp;<a =
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ttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF82SprintSignUp</a><br><br>=
Please support the tools development effort,<br> =
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It seems I missed any discussion of the current status of the Trac/SVN =
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Can someone update me?
(Random email snippet from the core ML below.)

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are getting to the list and the SVN is down.=20

Gruesse, Carsten


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In trying to update my ietf CLI tool, I am now unable to either push a =
new version nor come up to date.

The error for doing an "svn ci" is:
Sending        ietf
svn: Commit failed (details follow):
svn: No such revision 11

# svn up
svn: A reported revision is higher than the current repository HEAD =
revision.

How can I get this back in synch?

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Speaking of SVN, I updated the instructions here:

http://trac.tools.ietf.org/misc/venue/wiki/IetfSpecificFeatures

It's a wiki, edit further if desired.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:tools-discuss-
> bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hoffman
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:58 PM
> To: Tools Team Discussion
> Subject: [Tools-discuss] Problem with SVN repository: can't push or
> pull
> 
> In trying to update my ietf CLI tool, I am now unable to either push a
> new version nor come up to date.
> 
> The error for doing an "svn ci" is:
> Sending        ietf
> svn: Commit failed (details follow):
> svn: No such revision 11
> 
> # svn up
> svn: A reported revision is higher than the current repository HEAD
> revision.
> 
> How can I get this back in synch?

I had the same problem recently with the IETF's SVN server -- it appeared
to have reverted to an older version.  I believe this happened after a 
server died.  You should contact Henrik and see if he is aware of the
problem
in your specific repository.

FYI, if you want to just get on with it and you know you have the most
recent up-to-date copy of stuff on your PC, here is what I did:  I moved 
all my files to a different (temporary) directory tree, deleting my SVN 
tree, re-pulled the SVN tree from the SVN server, moved the files from
my temporary tree back into this new SVN tree, and committed them to the
server.  Of course, that meant loss of commit history and suchlike from 
the SVN repository, but that wasn't a problem for me in this case.

-d



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On Sep 15, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Dan Wing wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:tools-discuss-
>> bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hoffman
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:58 PM
>> To: Tools Team Discussion
>> Subject: [Tools-discuss] Problem with SVN repository: can't push or
>> pull
>> 
>> In trying to update my ietf CLI tool, I am now unable to either push a
>> new version nor come up to date.
>> 
>> The error for doing an "svn ci" is:
>> Sending        ietf
>> svn: Commit failed (details follow):
>> svn: No such revision 11
>> 
>> # svn up
>> svn: A reported revision is higher than the current repository HEAD
>> revision.
>> 
>> How can I get this back in synch?
> 
> I had the same problem recently with the IETF's SVN server -- it appeared
> to have reverted to an older version.  I believe this happened after a 
> server died.  You should contact Henrik and see if he is aware of the
> problem
> in your specific repository.

Paging Henrik!

> FYI, if you want to just get on with it and you know you have the most
> recent up-to-date copy of stuff on your PC, here is what I did:  I moved 
> all my files to a different (temporary) directory tree, deleting my SVN 
> tree, re-pulled the SVN tree from the SVN server, moved the files from
> my temporary tree back into this new SVN tree, and committed them to the
> server.  Of course, that meant loss of commit history and suchlike from 
> the SVN repository, but that wasn't a problem for me in this case.


I'll hope that Henrik can wave a magic wand first.

--Paul Hoffman


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<http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dane/trac/report/1> and similar now =
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Not just tickets - the entire IRTF wiki is affected: =
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Greetings again. The problem that I reported last week silently fixed =
itself, but a new one has appeared. Please see the thread from the =
ietf-general mailing list from yesterday and today. This same issue was =
reported by Russ Housley on a non-IETF mailing list in June, and it =
persists.

--Paul Hoffman


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On 2011-09-27 03:00 Paul Hoffman said:
> Greetings again. The problem that I reported last week silently fixed
> itself,

I'd like to bet that it didn't exactly fix itself; I've had to take care
of a number of problems after having to move all svn and trac support to
a new server after the active svn.tools.ietf.org failed to come up after
a power failure on September 5th...

> but a new one has appeared. Please see the thread from the
> ietf-general mailing list from yesterday and today. This same issue
> was reported by Russ Housley on a non-IETF mailing list in June, and
> it persists.

Thanks, Paul.

The clues unearthed by people on ietf@ietf.org helped me find a fix.

Generally speaking, the best address to make me aware of both problems
and discussions (like the one on ietf@ietf.org) which can throw light
on problems with tools.ietf.org is <webmaster@tools.ietf.org>.  I happened
to check the tools-discuss email folder not too long after you sent this
alert, but mail to <webmaster@ietf.org> will end up directly in my main
inbox and be dealt with in a much more timely manner than list mail.


Best regards,

	Henrik









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trac was being updated yesterday - there was a period where it was =
generating
interesting errors, but afaik it isn't now. Maybe something got =
inappropriately cached?


RjS

On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> =
wrote:
>>=20
>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> =
wrote:
>>>> Works for me....
>>>=20
>>> nope
>>=20
>> http://snozzages.com/sidr-screenshot.png
>=20
> tis fixed now... so either magical elves fixed it, or someone on the
> tools-team did? (or it fixed itself...which means magical elves)
>=20
>>>=20
>>>> Reload? ;-)
>>>=20
>>> did that, a few times :( I'd have sent a screenshot but... I can't =
get
>>> the screenshot app to save my bmp file.
>>=20
>> Get a better OS?! [0]
>=20
> I wanted to share my BMP, it works fine on my =
windows-for-workgroups... :(


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looking for a draft (then poking at a few other groups to verify)

http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/

ends with:
"An error occurred at this point in the web-page generation.
An error report has been sent to the webmaster. If this error isn't
fixed within 48 hours, please contact the web page author directly.
" % (timestr(filetime(cachename)), timestr(dirtime("."))) 448 # if not
cachefile: include = filename =
'/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/index.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
include(filename='/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/index.pyht') 219 220 if
string.find(code, "\n") > -1: 221 exec code in execglobals, execlocals
222 else: 223 res = eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code = '
\ntryinclude("head.pyht")\ntryinclude("top.pyht")\ntryinclude("drafts.pyht")\ntryinclude("bot.pyht")\n'
global execglobals = {'Wg': 'Sidr', '__builtins__': ,
'__warningregistry__': {("Not importing directory
'/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac': missing __init__.py", , 2):
True}, 'area': 'rtg', 'args': {}, 'basename': , 'cookie': , 'dirname':
, 'env': {'HTTP_REFERER': 'http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/.../sidr/',
'HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, deflate'}, 'escape': >, ...} execlocals
= {'__name__': 'embedded-code-at-line-6', 'datenow': '27 Sep 2011
13:30 GMT', 'filebase': 'index', 'filedate': , 'fileext': '.pyht',
'filename': '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/index.pyht', 'filepath':
'/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr', 'filetime': , 'interpreter':
'/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py', 'time': , ...}
/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/ in () /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
tryinclude(filename='drafts.pyht') 241 def tryinclude(filename): 242
if os.path.isfile(filename): 243 include(filename) 244 return "" 245
global include = filename = 'drafts.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
include(filename='drafts.pyht') 219 220 if string.find(code, "\n") >
-1: 221 exec code in execglobals, execlocals 222 else: 223 res =
eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code = '\nimport trac.env\nglobal
ticket_info\nglobal ticke... = 0\n ticket_open[component] += 1\n'
global execglobals = {'Wg': 'Sidr', '__builtins__': ,
'__warningregistry__': {("Not importing directory
'/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac': missing __init__.py", , 2):
True}, 'area': 'rtg', 'args': {}, 'basename': , 'cookie': , 'dirname':
, 'env': {'HTTP_REFERER': 'http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/.../sidr/',
'HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, deflate'}, 'escape': >, ...} execlocals
= {'Wg': 'Sidr', '__name__': 'embedded-code-at-line-29', 'datenow':
'27 Sep 2011 13:30 GMT', 'filebase': 'drafts', 'filedate': ,
'fileext': '.pyht', 'filename': 'drafts.pyht', 'filepath': '',
'filetime': , 'getint': , ...} /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/ in ()
/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/trac/env.py in
open_environment(env_path='/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac',
use_cache=False) 669 raise TracError(_('The Trac Environment needs to
be upgraded.\n\n' 670 'Run "trac-admin %(path)s upgrade"', 671
path=env_path)) 672 673 return env path undefined env_path =
'/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac' : The Trac Environment needs
to be upgraded. Run "trac-admin /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac
upgrade" __class__ = __delattr__ = __dict__ = {'_message': ,
'show_traceback': False, 'title': } __doc__ = 'Exception base class
for errors in Trac.' __format__ = __getattribute__ = __getitem__ =
__getslice__ = __hash__ = __init__ = ,)> __module__ = 'trac.core'
__new__ = __reduce__ = __reduce_ex__ = __repr__ = __setattr__ =
__setstate__ = __sizeof__ = __str__ = __subclasshook__ = __unicode__ =
,)> __weakref__ = None _message = args = (,) message = show_traceback
= False title = The above is a description of an error in a Python
program. Here is the original traceback: Traceback (most recent call
last): File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 446, in include(filename)
File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 221, in include exec code in
execglobals, execlocals File "", line 4, in File
"/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 243, in tryinclude include(filename) File
"/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 221, in include exec code in execglobals,
execlocals File "", line 12, in File
"/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/trac/env.py", line 671, in
open_environment path=env_path)) TracError: The Trac Environment needs
to be upgraded. Run "trac-admin /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac
upgrade" --> "

this appears to happen for at least:
sidr, 6man, behave, armd...

it does NOT show for:
grow, kitten, pwe3

-chris

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Works for me....

Reload? ;-)

W
On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:

> looking for a draft (then poking at a few other groups to verify)
>=20
> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/
>=20
> ends with:
> "An error occurred at this point in the web-page generation.
> An error report has been sent to the webmaster. If this error isn't
> fixed within 48 hours, please contact the web page author directly.
> " % (timestr(filetime(cachename)), timestr(dirtime("."))) 448 # if not
> cachefile: include =3D filename =3D
> '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/index.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
> include(filename=3D'/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/index.pyht') 219 220 =
if
> string.find(code, "\n") > -1: 221 exec code in execglobals, execlocals
> 222 else: 223 res =3D eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code =3D '
> =
\ntryinclude("head.pyht")\ntryinclude("top.pyht")\ntryinclude("drafts.pyht=
")\ntryinclude("bot.pyht")\n'
> global execglobals =3D {'Wg': 'Sidr', '__builtins__': ,
> '__warningregistry__': {("Not importing directory
> '/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac': missing __init__.py", , 2):
> True}, 'area': 'rtg', 'args': {}, 'basename': , 'cookie': , 'dirname':
> , 'env': {'HTTP_REFERER': 'http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/.../sidr/',
> 'HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, deflate'}, 'escape': >, ...} execlocals
> =3D {'__name__': 'embedded-code-at-line-6', 'datenow': '27 Sep 2011
> 13:30 GMT', 'filebase': 'index', 'filedate': , 'fileext': '.pyht',
> 'filename': '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/index.pyht', 'filepath':
> '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr', 'filetime': , 'interpreter':
> '/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py', 'time': , ...}
> /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/ in () /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
> tryinclude(filename=3D'drafts.pyht') 241 def tryinclude(filename): 242
> if os.path.isfile(filename): 243 include(filename) 244 return "" 245
> global include =3D filename =3D 'drafts.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
> include(filename=3D'drafts.pyht') 219 220 if string.find(code, "\n") >
> -1: 221 exec code in execglobals, execlocals 222 else: 223 res =3D
> eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code =3D '\nimport =
trac.env\nglobal
> ticket_info\nglobal ticke... =3D 0\n ticket_open[component] +=3D 1\n'
> global execglobals =3D {'Wg': 'Sidr', '__builtins__': ,
> '__warningregistry__': {("Not importing directory
> '/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac': missing __init__.py", , 2):
> True}, 'area': 'rtg', 'args': {}, 'basename': , 'cookie': , 'dirname':
> , 'env': {'HTTP_REFERER': 'http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/.../sidr/',
> 'HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, deflate'}, 'escape': >, ...} execlocals
> =3D {'Wg': 'Sidr', '__name__': 'embedded-code-at-line-29', 'datenow':
> '27 Sep 2011 13:30 GMT', 'filebase': 'drafts', 'filedate': ,
> 'fileext': '.pyht', 'filename': 'drafts.pyht', 'filepath': '',
> 'filetime': , 'getint': , ...} /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/ in ()
> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/trac/env.py in
> open_environment(env_path=3D'/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac',
> use_cache=3DFalse) 669 raise TracError(_('The Trac Environment needs =
to
> be upgraded.\n\n' 670 'Run "trac-admin %(path)s upgrade"', 671
> path=3Denv_path)) 672 673 return env path undefined env_path =3D
> '/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac' : The Trac Environment needs
> to be upgraded. Run "trac-admin /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac
> upgrade" __class__ =3D __delattr__ =3D __dict__ =3D {'_message': ,
> 'show_traceback': False, 'title': } __doc__ =3D 'Exception base class
> for errors in Trac.' __format__ =3D __getattribute__ =3D __getitem__ =3D=

> __getslice__ =3D __hash__ =3D __init__ =3D ,)> __module__ =3D =
'trac.core'
> __new__ =3D __reduce__ =3D __reduce_ex__ =3D __repr__ =3D __setattr__ =
=3D
> __setstate__ =3D __sizeof__ =3D __str__ =3D __subclasshook__ =3D =
__unicode__ =3D
> ,)> __weakref__ =3D None _message =3D args =3D (,) message =3D =
show_traceback
> =3D False title =3D The above is a description of an error in a Python
> program. Here is the original traceback: Traceback (most recent call
> last): File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 446, in include(filename)
> File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 221, in include exec code in
> execglobals, execlocals File "", line 4, in File
> "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 243, in tryinclude include(filename) File
> "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 221, in include exec code in execglobals,
> execlocals File "", line 12, in File
> "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/trac/env.py", line 671, in
> open_environment path=3Denv_path)) TracError: The Trac Environment =
needs
> to be upgraded. Run "trac-admin /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac
> upgrade" --> "
>=20
> this appears to happen for at least:
> sidr, 6man, behave, armd...
>=20
> it does NOT show for:
> grow, kitten, pwe3
>=20
> -chris
>=20


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On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
> Works for me....

nope

> Reload? ;-)

did that, a few times :( I'd have sent a screenshot but... I can't get
the screenshot app to save my bmp file.

> W
> On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>
>> looking for a draft (then poking at a few other groups to verify)
>>
>> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/
>>
>> ends with:
>> "An error occurred at this point in the web-page generation.
>> An error report has been sent to the webmaster. If this error isn't
>> fixed within 48 hours, please contact the web page author directly.
>> " % (timestr(filetime(cachename)), timestr(dirtime("."))) 448 # if not
>> cachefile: include = filename =
>> '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/index.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
>> include(filename='/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/index.pyht') 219 220 if
>> string.find(code, "\n") > -1: 221 exec code in execglobals, execlocals
>> 222 else: 223 res = eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code = '
>> \ntryinclude("head.pyht")\ntryinclude("top.pyht")\ntryinclude("drafts.pyht")\ntryinclude("bot.pyht")\n'
>> global execglobals = {'Wg': 'Sidr', '__builtins__': ,
>> '__warningregistry__': {("Not importing directory
>> '/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac': missing __init__.py", , 2):
>> True}, 'area': 'rtg', 'args': {}, 'basename': , 'cookie': , 'dirname':
>> , 'env': {'HTTP_REFERER': 'http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/.../sidr/',
>> 'HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, deflate'}, 'escape': >, ...} execlocals
>> = {'__name__': 'embedded-code-at-line-6', 'datenow': '27 Sep 2011
>> 13:30 GMT', 'filebase': 'index', 'filedate': , 'fileext': '.pyht',
>> 'filename': '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/index.pyht', 'filepath':
>> '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr', 'filetime': , 'interpreter':
>> '/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py', 'time': , ...}
>> /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/ in () /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
>> tryinclude(filename='drafts.pyht') 241 def tryinclude(filename): 242
>> if os.path.isfile(filename): 243 include(filename) 244 return "" 245
>> global include = filename = 'drafts.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
>> include(filename='drafts.pyht') 219 220 if string.find(code, "\n") >
>> -1: 221 exec code in execglobals, execlocals 222 else: 223 res =
>> eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code = '\nimport trac.env\nglobal
>> ticket_info\nglobal ticke... = 0\n ticket_open[component] += 1\n'
>> global execglobals = {'Wg': 'Sidr', '__builtins__': ,
>> '__warningregistry__': {("Not importing directory
>> '/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac': missing __init__.py", , 2):
>> True}, 'area': 'rtg', 'args': {}, 'basename': , 'cookie': , 'dirname':
>> , 'env': {'HTTP_REFERER': 'http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/.../sidr/',
>> 'HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, deflate'}, 'escape': >, ...} execlocals
>> = {'Wg': 'Sidr', '__name__': 'embedded-code-at-line-29', 'datenow':
>> '27 Sep 2011 13:30 GMT', 'filebase': 'drafts', 'filedate': ,
>> 'fileext': '.pyht', 'filename': 'drafts.pyht', 'filepath': '',
>> 'filetime': , 'getint': , ...} /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/ in ()
>> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/trac/env.py in
>> open_environment(env_path='/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac',
>> use_cache=False) 669 raise TracError(_('The Trac Environment needs to
>> be upgraded.\n\n' 670 'Run "trac-admin %(path)s upgrade"', 671
>> path=env_path)) 672 673 return env path undefined env_path =
>> '/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac' : The Trac Environment needs
>> to be upgraded. Run "trac-admin /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac
>> upgrade" __class__ = __delattr__ = __dict__ = {'_message': ,
>> 'show_traceback': False, 'title': } __doc__ = 'Exception base class
>> for errors in Trac.' __format__ = __getattribute__ = __getitem__ =
>> __getslice__ = __hash__ = __init__ = ,)> __module__ = 'trac.core'
>> __new__ = __reduce__ = __reduce_ex__ = __repr__ = __setattr__ =
>> __setstate__ = __sizeof__ = __str__ = __subclasshook__ = __unicode__ =
>> ,)> __weakref__ = None _message = args = (,) message = show_traceback
>> = False title = The above is a description of an error in a Python
>> program. Here is the original traceback: Traceback (most recent call
>> last): File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 446, in include(filename)
>> File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 221, in include exec code in
>> execglobals, execlocals File "", line 4, in File
>> "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 243, in tryinclude include(filename) File
>> "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 221, in include exec code in execglobals,
>> execlocals File "", line 12, in File
>> "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/trac/env.py", line 671, in
>> open_environment path=env_path)) TracError: The Trac Environment needs
>> to be upgraded. Run "trac-admin /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac
>> upgrade" --> "
>>
>> this appears to happen for at least:
>> sidr, 6man, behave, armd...
>>
>> it does NOT show for:
>> grow, kitten, pwe3
>>
>> -chris
>>
>
>

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On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> =
wrote:
>> Works for me....
>=20
> nope

http://snozzages.com/sidr-screenshot.png

>=20
>> Reload? ;-)
>=20
> did that, a few times :( I'd have sent a screenshot but... I can't get
> the screenshot app to save my bmp file.

Get a better OS?! [0]

W

[0]: Yes, there is some history here :-P



>=20
>> W
>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>>=20
>>> looking for a draft (then poking at a few other groups to verify)
>>>=20
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/
>>>=20
>>> ends with:
>>> "An error occurred at this point in the web-page generation.
>>> An error report has been sent to the webmaster. If this error isn't
>>> fixed within 48 hours, please contact the web page author directly.
>>> " % (timestr(filetime(cachename)), timestr(dirtime("."))) 448 # if =
not
>>> cachefile: include =3D filename =3D
>>> '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/index.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
>>> include(filename=3D'/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/index.pyht') 219 220 =
if
>>> string.find(code, "\n") > -1: 221 exec code in execglobals, =
execlocals
>>> 222 else: 223 res =3D eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code =3D '
>>> =
\ntryinclude("head.pyht")\ntryinclude("top.pyht")\ntryinclude("drafts.pyht=
")\ntryinclude("bot.pyht")\n'
>>> global execglobals =3D {'Wg': 'Sidr', '__builtins__': ,
>>> '__warningregistry__': {("Not importing directory
>>> '/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac': missing __init__.py", , 2):
>>> True}, 'area': 'rtg', 'args': {}, 'basename': , 'cookie': , =
'dirname':
>>> , 'env': {'HTTP_REFERER': 'http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/.../sidr/',
>>> 'HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, deflate'}, 'escape': >, ...} =
execlocals
>>> =3D {'__name__': 'embedded-code-at-line-6', 'datenow': '27 Sep 2011
>>> 13:30 GMT', 'filebase': 'index', 'filedate': , 'fileext': '.pyht',
>>> 'filename': '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/index.pyht', 'filepath':
>>> '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr', 'filetime': , 'interpreter':
>>> '/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py', 'time': , ...}
>>> /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/ in () /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
>>> tryinclude(filename=3D'drafts.pyht') 241 def tryinclude(filename): =
242
>>> if os.path.isfile(filename): 243 include(filename) 244 return "" 245
>>> global include =3D filename =3D 'drafts.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py =
in
>>> include(filename=3D'drafts.pyht') 219 220 if string.find(code, "\n") =
>
>>> -1: 221 exec code in execglobals, execlocals 222 else: 223 res =3D
>>> eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code =3D '\nimport =
trac.env\nglobal
>>> ticket_info\nglobal ticke... =3D 0\n ticket_open[component] +=3D =
1\n'
>>> global execglobals =3D {'Wg': 'Sidr', '__builtins__': ,
>>> '__warningregistry__': {("Not importing directory
>>> '/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac': missing __init__.py", , 2):
>>> True}, 'area': 'rtg', 'args': {}, 'basename': , 'cookie': , =
'dirname':
>>> , 'env': {'HTTP_REFERER': 'http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/.../sidr/',
>>> 'HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip, deflate'}, 'escape': >, ...} =
execlocals
>>> =3D {'Wg': 'Sidr', '__name__': 'embedded-code-at-line-29', =
'datenow':
>>> '27 Sep 2011 13:30 GMT', 'filebase': 'drafts', 'filedate': ,
>>> 'fileext': '.pyht', 'filename': 'drafts.pyht', 'filepath': '',
>>> 'filetime': , 'getint': , ...} /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/ in =
()
>>> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/trac/env.py in
>>> open_environment(env_path=3D'/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac',
>>> use_cache=3DFalse) 669 raise TracError(_('The Trac Environment needs =
to
>>> be upgraded.\n\n' 670 'Run "trac-admin %(path)s upgrade"', 671
>>> path=3Denv_path)) 672 673 return env path undefined env_path =3D
>>> '/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac' : The Trac Environment needs
>>> to be upgraded. Run "trac-admin =
/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac
>>> upgrade" __class__ =3D __delattr__ =3D __dict__ =3D {'_message': ,
>>> 'show_traceback': False, 'title': } __doc__ =3D 'Exception base =
class
>>> for errors in Trac.' __format__ =3D __getattribute__ =3D __getitem__ =
=3D
>>> __getslice__ =3D __hash__ =3D __init__ =3D ,)> __module__ =3D =
'trac.core'
>>> __new__ =3D __reduce__ =3D __reduce_ex__ =3D __repr__ =3D =
__setattr__ =3D
>>> __setstate__ =3D __sizeof__ =3D __str__ =3D __subclasshook__ =3D =
__unicode__ =3D
>>> ,)> __weakref__ =3D None _message =3D args =3D (,) message =3D =
show_traceback
>>> =3D False title =3D The above is a description of an error in a =
Python
>>> program. Here is the original traceback: Traceback (most recent call
>>> last): File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 446, in include(filename)
>>> File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 221, in include exec code in
>>> execglobals, execlocals File "", line 4, in File
>>> "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 243, in tryinclude include(filename) =
File
>>> "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 221, in include exec code in =
execglobals,
>>> execlocals File "", line 12, in File
>>> "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/trac/env.py", line 671, in
>>> open_environment path=3Denv_path)) TracError: The Trac Environment =
needs
>>> to be upgraded. Run "trac-admin =
/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr/trac
>>> upgrade" --> "
>>>=20
>>> this appears to happen for at least:
>>> sidr, 6man, behave, armd...
>>>=20
>>> it does NOT show for:
>>> grow, kitten, pwe3
>>>=20
>>> -chris
>>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>=20


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On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
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> On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
>>> Works for me....
>>
>> nope
>
> http://snozzages.com/sidr-screenshot.png

tis fixed now... so either magical elves fixed it, or someone on the
tools-team did? (or it fixed itself...which means magical elves)

>>
>>> Reload? ;-)
>>
>> did that, a few times :( I'd have sent a screenshot but... I can't get
>> the screenshot app to save my bmp file.
>
> Get a better OS?! [0]

I wanted to share my BMP, it works fine on my windows-for-workgroups... :(

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Hello,

Thanks for this great tool. It's much better than alternatives (hdiff, 
diff2html, ...). The style of the HTML output is really outstanding.

I have a bug report, feature requests and questions.

Bugs:
     $> cd rfcdiff-1.41/
     $> make
Makefile:6: ../Makefile.common: No such file or directory
make: *** No rule to make target `../Makefile.common'.  Stop.

Why the Makefile includes "../Makefile.common" from the outer directory?

Features:
   Add an option (-R) to compare directories;
   Add an option (-o) to choose an output file;
   Add an option (-s) to check spaces;

Questions:
Why not to give this tool a general-purpose name? It seems to be able to 
compare non-RFC files.

I'm planning to integrate this tool to my open-source project [1] to 
show differences in C/C++ header files.

[1] http://linuxtesting.org/upstream-tracker/versions/libssh.html

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There is also an error found by http://validator.w3.org/check in the 
HTML output:
Line 6, Column 1: Missing xmlns attribute for element html. The value 
should be: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

On 09/27/2011 06:10 PM, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Thanks for this great tool. It's much better than alternatives (hdiff, 
> diff2html, ...). The style of the HTML output is really outstanding.
>
> I have a bug report, feature requests and questions.
>
> Bugs:
>     $> cd rfcdiff-1.41/
>     $> make
> Makefile:6: ../Makefile.common: No such file or directory
> make: *** No rule to make target `../Makefile.common'.  Stop.
>
> Why the Makefile includes "../Makefile.common" from the outer directory?
>
> Features:
>   Add an option (-R) to compare directories;
>   Add an option (-o) to choose an output file;
>   Add an option (-s) to check spaces;
>
> Questions:
> Why not to give this tool a general-purpose name? It seems to be able 
> to compare non-RFC files.
>
> I'm planning to integrate this tool to my open-source project [1] to 
> show differences in C/C++ header files.
>
> [1] http://linuxtesting.org/upstream-tracker/versions/libssh.html
>


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And also an error with creating temporary directories (not always 
reproducible):

/usr/bin/rfcdiff: Error: Failed to create temporary directory 
'/tmp/rfcdiff-28949'.
/usr/bin/rfcdiff: Error: Failed to create temporary directory 
'/tmp/rfcdiff-29011'.

On 09/27/2011 07:41 PM, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote:
> There is also an error found by http://validator.w3.org/check in the 
> HTML output:
> Line 6, Column 1: Missing xmlns attribute for element html. The value 
> should be: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml
>
> On 09/27/2011 06:10 PM, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thanks for this great tool. It's much better than alternatives 
>> (hdiff, diff2html, ...). The style of the HTML output is really 
>> outstanding.
>>
>> I have a bug report, feature requests and questions.
>>
>> Bugs:
>>     $> cd rfcdiff-1.41/
>>     $> make
>> Makefile:6: ../Makefile.common: No such file or directory
>> make: *** No rule to make target `../Makefile.common'.  Stop.
>>
>> Why the Makefile includes "../Makefile.common" from the outer directory?
>>
>> Features:
>>   Add an option (-R) to compare directories;
>>   Add an option (-o) to choose an output file;
>>   Add an option (-s) to check spaces;
>>
>> Questions:
>> Why not to give this tool a general-purpose name? It seems to be able 
>> to compare non-RFC files.
>>
>> I'm planning to integrate this tool to my open-source project [1] to 
>> show differences in C/C++ header files.
>>
>> [1] http://linuxtesting.org/upstream-tracker/versions/libssh.html
>>
>
>


-- 
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Department for Operating Systems at ISPRAS
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Hi Andrey,

On 2011-09-27 16:10 Andrey Ponomarenko said the following:
> Hello,
> 
> Thanks for this great tool. It's much better than alternatives (hdiff, 
> diff2html, ...). The style of the HTML output is really outstanding.

I'm happy to hear that :-)

> I have a bug report, feature requests and questions.

The bugs (the one below, and the others in separate email) are noted --
I don't know that I'll be able to fix them in the very near timespace,
but I'll try to get to them within a couple of weeks.

> Bugs:
>      $> cd rfcdiff-1.41/
>      $> make
> Makefile:6: ../Makefile.common: No such file or directory
> make: *** No rule to make target `../Makefile.common'.  Stop.

Ah.  Distribution tarball bug.  It works for me locally, of course.
Attaching it to this mail for your use till I get that fixed.

> Why the Makefile includes "../Makefile.common" from the outer directory?
> 
> Features:
>    Add an option (-R) to compare directories;
>    Add an option (-o) to choose an output file;
>    Add an option (-s) to check spaces;

The -R seems like it would need some work, but the two other ones could
probably be accomplished fairly easily.

> Questions:
> Why not to give this tool a general-purpose name? It seems to be able to 
> compare non-RFC files.

Don't know -- it started out as a dedicated tool exactly because the
regular diffs couldn't handle the shifting page splits of the IETF
documents very well at all :-)

> I'm planning to integrate this tool to my open-source project [1] to 
> show differences in C/C++ header files.

Cool!  And an interesting project!

(And a nit report in return for you:  The graphic on the front page,
http://linuxtesting.org/upstream-tracker/index.html:
http://linuxtesting.org/upstream-tracker/versions/history.png
has this vertical text to the left: "Avg number of ABI breaks ..."
which should probably say 'API' instead of ABI :-)

> [1] http://linuxtesting.org/upstream-tracker/versions/libssh.html


Best regards,

	Henrik


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# tool should be set in the tool-specific Makefile, which should include this
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version := $(shell ./$(tool) --version | awk '{print $$2}' )
thisver := $(version)
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language:= $(shell head -1 $(tool) | awk '{ sub("^.+/", "", $$1); print $$1; }')
logentry := $(shell sed -n -r "/^$(tool) \($(version).*\)/,/^ -- /p" changelog | head -n -1 | sed -r 's/"/\\"/g' )

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sources	+= $(tool) copyright control.in changelog todo template.shtml.pyht Makefile ../Makefile.common

# Webpages
webpages += index.shtml code.shtml copyright.shtml changelog.shtml

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binaries += 

# Install directory
prefix	:= /usr/local

# ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# Set up for make in separate build directory

VPATH	= archive build

# ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# This is what we want to make:
all:	setup manpage changelog package binaries

# ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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build:
	[ -d build ] || mkdir build

archive:
	[ -d archive ] || mkdir archive; 

$(tool)-v0.00:
	touch archive/$@

# ----------------------------------------------------------------------
manpage: $(tool).1.gz

%.1:	%.1.txt
	txt2man $< > $@

%.1:	%
	./$(tool) --help | txt2man -t "$(tool) 1" > $@

%.gz:	%
	gzip -f $< -c > $@


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build/$(tool)-$(thisver).diff.html: $(tool)-v$(prevver) $(tool)
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	# Test suite

# ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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	mkdir -p $(tool)-$(version)
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	tar czf $@ $(tool)-$(version)
	rm -rf $(tool)-$(version)

archive/$(tool)-v$(version): $(tool)
	cp $< $@

control: control.in $(tool) changelog
	 sed -r -e 's/^Version:.*/Version: $(version)/' -e "s/^Date:.*/Date: $$(date +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')/" $< > $@

packagetest: archive/$(tool)-$(version).tgz
	cd archive && tar xzf archive/$(tool)-$(version).tgz
	cd archive/$(tool)-$(version)/ && make

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build/%.shtml:	./%.shtml.frag control template.shtml.pyht
	pyht template.shtml.pyht view=$< > $@

build/%.shtml:	%.shtml.frag control template.shtml.pyht
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build/%.shtml:	build/%.html control template.shtml.pyht
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build/%.shtml:	../%.shtml
	cp -p $< $@

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# ----------------------------------------------------------------------
distinfo: $(tool)-$(version).tgz diff 
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	if grep "$<" $@; then echo "Version $(version) has already been uploaded"; exit 1; fi
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	wc -c		$< | awk '{ printf "SIZE (%s) = %s\n", $$2, $$1; }'	>> $@

upload:: $(tool) $(tool)-v$(version) $(webpages) $(tool)-$(version).tgz $(tool)-$(version).diff.html $(scripts) control distinfo
	rsync -avuz --exclude /tmp/ $^ /www/tools.ietf.org/tools/$(tool)/
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Hi,

On 09/28/2011 01:05 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> Hi Andrey,
>
> On 2011-09-27 16:10 Andrey Ponomarenko said the following:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thanks for this great tool. It's much better than alternatives (hdiff,
>> diff2html, ...). The style of the HTML output is really outstanding.
> I'm happy to hear that :-)
>
>> I have a bug report, feature requests and questions.
> The bugs (the one below, and the others in separate email) are noted --
> I don't know that I'll be able to fix them in the very near timespace,
> but I'll try to get to them within a couple of weeks.
>
>> Bugs:
>>       $>  cd rfcdiff-1.41/
>>       $>  make
>> Makefile:6: ../Makefile.common: No such file or directory
>> make: *** No rule to make target `../Makefile.common'.  Stop.
> Ah.  Distribution tarball bug.  It works for me locally, of course.
> Attaching it to this mail for your use till I get that fixed.

It's working for me after this patch:

--- Makefile   2011-09-28 13:51:18.000000000 +0400
+++ Makefile    2011-09-28 13:51:18.000000000 +0400
@@ -3,5 +3,5 @@

  sources += rfcdiff.pyht

-include ../Makefile.common
+include Makefile.common

>> Why the Makefile includes "../Makefile.common" from the outer directory?
>>
>> Features:
>>     Add an option (-R) to compare directories;
>>     Add an option (-o) to choose an output file;
>>     Add an option (-s) to check spaces;
> The -R seems like it would need some work, but the two other ones could
> probably be accomplished fairly easily.

I've created a temporary workaround for -R by combining HTML reports for 
standalone files into the one big HTML file and finally integrated the 
tool on the site. This is a sample result: 
http://linuxtesting.org/upstream-tracker/diffs/libssh/0.4.8_to_0.4.90/diff.html

There are also a bunch of libraries updated with the new HTML diff in 
the Tracker: Qt4, KDE Libs, Barry, OpenBabel. Remaining 365 libraries 
will be updated on the next build.

>> Questions:
>> Why not to give this tool a general-purpose name? It seems to be able to
>> compare non-RFC files.
> Don't know -- it started out as a dedicated tool exactly because the
> regular diffs couldn't handle the shifting page splits of the IETF
> documents very well at all :-)
>
>> I'm planning to integrate this tool to my open-source project [1] to
>> show differences in C/C++ header files.
> Cool!  And an interesting project!
>
> (And a nit report in return for you:  The graphic on the front page,
> http://linuxtesting.org/upstream-tracker/index.html:
> http://linuxtesting.org/upstream-tracker/versions/history.png
> has this vertical text to the left: "Avg number of ABI breaks ..."
> which should probably say 'API' instead of ABI :-)

This is exactly an ABI, that is Application Binary 
Interface=API+compiler ABI, "API on binary level" or more simply 
"compiled API". If ABI is stable (i.e. the library is backward binary 
compatible), then programs can run on newer versions of a library 
without the need to recompile. The Tracker is planned to be updated soon 
to check also an API stability of libraries, i.e. backward 
build-time/source compatibility.

> Best regards,
>
> 	Henrik
>


Thanks!

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There is a problem with creating tmp directories in Rfcdiff-1.41 when 
using it hundreds times together:

/usr/bin/rfcdiff: Error: Failed to create temporary directory 
'/tmp/rfcdiff-28949'.
/usr/bin/rfcdiff: Error: Failed to create temporary directory 
'/tmp/rfcdiff-29011'.

Patch to fix this problem:

--- rfcdiff    2011-09-29 14:06:27.000000000 +0400
+++ rfcdiff     2011-09-29 14:06:27.000000000 +0400
@@ -106,7 +106,7 @@
  export progdate=""
  export prelines="10"
  export basename=$(basename $0)
-export workdir="/tmp/$basename-$$"
+export workdir=`mktemp -d`
  export pagecache1="$workdir/pagecache1"
  export pagecache2="$workdir/pagecache2"

@@ -847,7 +847,6 @@
  # ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  # create working directory.
  # ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-mkdir $workdir || die "$0: Error: Failed to create temporary directory 
'$workdir'."
  mkdir $workdir/1 || die "$0: Error: Failed to create temporary 
directory '$workdir/1'."
  mkdir $workdir/2 || die "$0: Error: Failed to create temporary 
directory '$workdir/2'."

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There was a real error couple of days ago, possibly with similar outputs to these. We reported it to Henrik and he fixed it quickly (as usual :-) I've seen it once after that, but that may have been some over-enthusiastic proxy holding state from before.

The problem appeared randomly on various tools.ietf.org wg pages and as far as I could tell, occurrences were seen for a day or two.

Jari


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Hi Andrey,

On 2011-09-28 13:12 Andrey Ponomarenko said:

...
>>> Features:
>>>     Add an option (-R) to compare directories;
>>>     Add an option (-o) to choose an output file;
>>>     Add an option (-s) to check spaces;
>> The -R seems like it would need some work, but the two other ones could
>> probably be accomplished fairly easily.
> 
> I've created a temporary workaround for -R by combining HTML reports for 
> standalone files into the one big HTML file and finally integrated the 
> tool on the site. This is a sample result: 
> http://linuxtesting.org/upstream-tracker/diffs/libssh/0.4.8_to_0.4.90/diff.html

Ah.  Yes, good.  I think people will find this useful :-)

> There are also a bunch of libraries updated with the new HTML diff in 
> the Tracker: Qt4, KDE Libs, Barry, OpenBabel. Remaining 365 libraries 
> will be updated on the next build.
> 
>>> Questions:
>>> Why not to give this tool a general-purpose name? It seems to be able to
>>> compare non-RFC files.
>> Don't know -- it started out as a dedicated tool exactly because the
>> regular diffs couldn't handle the shifting page splits of the IETF
>> documents very well at all :-)
>>
>>> I'm planning to integrate this tool to my open-source project [1] to
>>> show differences in C/C++ header files.
>> Cool!  And an interesting project!
>>
>> (And a nit report in return for you:  The graphic on the front page,
>> http://linuxtesting.org/upstream-tracker/index.html:
>> http://linuxtesting.org/upstream-tracker/versions/history.png
>> has this vertical text to the left: "Avg number of ABI breaks ..."
>> which should probably say 'API' instead of ABI :-)
> 
> This is exactly an ABI, that is Application Binary 
> Interface=API+compiler ABI, "API on binary level" or more simply 
> "compiled API". If ABI is stable (i.e. the library is backward binary 
> compatible), then programs can run on newer versions of a library 
> without the need to recompile. The Tracker is planned to be updated soon 
> to check also an API stability of libraries, i.e. backward 
> build-time/source compatibility.

Ah.  Ok, I understand.  I wasn't aware of this use of 'ABI'; thanks for
the explanation!


Best regards,

	Henrik