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Henrik,
	Not sure what's happening, perhaps use of some bad source xml, but
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6370 shows an HTML title that is unrelated
to the actual document title.

Shown:
    <title>RFC 6370 - (PWE3) architectures to support the capabilities
and functionalities of a packet transport network as defined by the
ITU-T.</title>

Actual:
	MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) Identifiers

Thought you'd want to know.

Lou

Note looks like the tools site is running rev 1.96.

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Hi Lou,

On 2011-11-03 15:13 Lou Berger said:
> Henrik,
> 	Not sure what's happening, perhaps use of some bad source xml, but
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6370 shows an HTML title that is unrelated
> to the actual document title.
> 
> Shown:
>     <title>RFC 6370 - (PWE3) architectures to support the capabilities
> and functionalities of a packet transport network as defined by the
> ITU-T.</title>
> 
> Actual:
> 	MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) Identifiers
> 
> Thought you'd want to know.

Yes, thank you.  The title extraction had clearly failed; the string shown
came from the end of the Abstract.

I've removed the converted file, which causes a new conversion; it now shows
with correct title (and is generated using rev 1.98).

It would have been re-generated in abouth a month's time, which would have
brought it up to 1.98 anyway, but it's better to fix flaws at once.

Thanks for the alert!

> Lou
> 
> Note looks like the tools site is running rev 1.96.

It's now up to 1.96, but I don't re-generate all the documents on every
update of the tool (that would take a lot of processing, and what's worse,
cause Google to think it needs to re-index the site much more often than
it really needs to -- as it is, Google accesses is only ~18% of the total
for tools.ietf.org/html/; but before I reduced the update frequency they
constituted maybe 60-70% of the load on the sites.


Best regards,

	Henrik


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Sounds like you're ahead of this one.

Much thanks,
Lou

PS really appreciate all the great tools!

On 11/3/2011 11:08 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> Hi Lou,
> 
> On 2011-11-03 15:13 Lou Berger said:
>> Henrik,
>> 	Not sure what's happening, perhaps use of some bad source xml, but
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6370 shows an HTML title that is unrelated
>> to the actual document title.
>>
>> Shown:
>>     <title>RFC 6370 - (PWE3) architectures to support the capabilities
>> and functionalities of a packet transport network as defined by the
>> ITU-T.</title>
>>
>> Actual:
>> 	MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) Identifiers
>>
>> Thought you'd want to know.
> 
> Yes, thank you.  The title extraction had clearly failed; the string shown
> came from the end of the Abstract.
> 
> I've removed the converted file, which causes a new conversion; it now shows
> with correct title (and is generated using rev 1.98).
> 
> It would have been re-generated in abouth a month's time, which would have
> brought it up to 1.98 anyway, but it's better to fix flaws at once.
> 
> Thanks for the alert!
> 
>> Lou
>>
>> Note looks like the tools site is running rev 1.96.
> 
> It's now up to 1.96, but I don't re-generate all the documents on every
> update of the tool (that would take a lot of processing, and what's worse,
> cause Google to think it needs to re-index the site much more often than
> it really needs to -- as it is, Google accesses is only ~18% of the total
> for tools.ietf.org/html/; but before I reduced the update frequency they
> constituted maybe 60-70% of the load on the sites.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 	Henrik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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On 2011-11-03 16:33 Lou Berger said the following:
> PS really appreciate all the great tools!

Thank you!


Best regards,

	Henrik

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Tools developers -

I've provided a long feedback message at
<http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-sow/current/msg00001.html>

If you haven't looked at the document yet, please do so. I think you'll =
find things you want to comment on.

RjS

On Nov 7, 2011, at 1:48 PM, IETF Administrative Director wrote:

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Hi,

I've looked at these:

  http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/
  http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mpls/

without finding the phenomenon you mention.  Could you clue me in on
where (which URL) you're seeing this?


	Henrik


On 2011-11-08 23:02 Adrian Farrel said:
> Hi,
>=20
> I suspect this problem cut in at a specific recent date.
>=20
> The recently published RFCs show in a new "Old Drafts" section rather t=
han as
> published RFCs.=20
>=20
> I'm guessing some link from I-D to RFC (or vice versa) is missing.
>=20
> Adrian
>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
>> Sent: 08 November 2011 21:11
>> To: IETF-IESG via RT; Adrian Farrel; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; Marti=
n
> Vigoureux
>> Subject: What is this???
>>
>> All,
>>
>> there is something odd with the mpls wg datatracker page.
>>
>> We have a new heading "Old Internet Drafts", all them pointing
>> to published RFCs, but when u click on the RFC number you
>> get to a "Not found page". Everyone of our latest published
>> RFCs are missing.
>>
>> What happened?
>>
>> /Loa
>> --
>>
>>
>> Loa Andersson                         email: loa.andersson@ericsson.co=
m
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Hi,

I just send an e-mail to draft-gregorio-uritemplate@tools.ietf.org, and =
got a bounce back from marc.hadly@oracle.com (see below).

That address *used* to be an author of the draft, but Marc has since =
updated his address (to mhadley@mitre.org, as of draft 07, published on =
September 26).=20

So, it appears that whatever tool scrapes drafts for addresses isn't =
keeping up-to-date with author changes in drafts.

Cheers,



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>  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
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Henrik, do we have etherpad support for BoFs? Notice what Andrew says:

"BoFs really need complete minutes.  Does anyone want to volunteer in
advance to help by taking the minutes?"

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [weirds] Updated agenda & other info for the BoF
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:52:41 -0500
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To: weirds@ietf.org

Dear colleagues,

I uploaded a new agenda to the meeting materials (and included it
below).

I have been in touch with the Meetecho people, and we will apparently
have at least some support from them for remote participants.  It
won't be two-way voice, though, so you'll need a jabber client at least.

BoFs really need complete minutes.  Does anyone want to volunteer in
advance to help by taking the minutes?

Best,

A


Agenda for WEIRDS BoF, IETF 82
  2011-11-15

     0.  Agenda bashing.
     1.  Some review of the background
     2.  Short presentations on what people actually built
     3.  Short overview of requirements draft and issues in proposed charter

The above items should take no more than 30 minutes.  The remaining
time is nearly 2 hours; if we don't exhaust discussion in that time,
it is a testament to wills.

     4.  Questions for discussion (at least 30 mins):

          a.  Is this a problem to be solved?

          b.  Is the problem statement in the proposed charter clear
          enough?

          c.  Should this build more on IRIS?  Why or why not?

          d.  Is there reasonable prospect for deployment?

          e.  Is one protocol for “registry data” the right approach?


RELEVANT DRAFTS:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kucherawy-weirds-requirements-01
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-newton-et-al-weirds-rir-query-00
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-newton-weirds-arin-whoisrws-00
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sheng-weirds-icann-rws-dnrd-00
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fiorelli-weirds-rws-00

RELEVANT OTHER READING:

http://usenix.org/publications/login/2011-10/openpdfs/Newton.pdf

PROPOSED CHARTER

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/weirds/current/msg00231.html


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Is the data for the tools-style agenda available for use by other 
applications? Robert Sparks and I were both independently thinking that 
it would be cool to autopopulate the jabber chatroom subjects with links 
to the agenda, materials, audio streaming URLs, etc.

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On 11/15/11 12:05 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Is the data for the tools-style agenda available for use by other 
> applications? Robert Sparks and I were both independently thinking 
> that it would be cool to autopopulate the jabber chatroom subjects 
> with links to the agenda, materials, audio streaming URLs, etc.
>
> Peter
>
See:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/81/agenda.csv

Or, for the "current" meeting (whatever that happens to be):

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda.csv

/a

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On 11/15/11 12:21 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
> On 11/15/11 12:05 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> Is the data for the tools-style agenda available for use by other
>> applications? Robert Sparks and I were both independently thinking
>> that it would be cool to autopopulate the jabber chatroom subjects
>> with links to the agenda, materials, audio streaming URLs, etc.
>>
>> Peter
>>
> See:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/81/agenda.csv
>
> Or, for the "current" meeting (whatever that happens to be):
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda.csv

Thanks. Maybe in time for IETF 83 I'll write a little script to handle 
autopopulation of the room subjects. :)

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On Nov 14, 2011, at 11:05 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

> Is the data for the tools-style agenda available for use by other =
applications? Robert Sparks and I were both independently thinking that =
it would be cool to autopopulate the jabber chatroom subjects with links =
to the agenda, materials, audio streaming URLs, etc.
>=20
> Peter
>=20
> --=20
> Peter Saint-Andre
> https://stpeter.im/

Peter,
	It's been a while, I hope you're doing well. I just went through =
figuring all of this out (with some help from Henrik) for the IETFers =
iPhone/iPad app I wrote.

The agenda can be text or html depending on how it's submitted.

I've found the easiest way to get it is to ask for the following URL:

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/agenda/<wg-name>

as an example:

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/agenda/pim

This works either way and you don't have to request a .html, and if that =
fails try an .htm, and if that fails, try .txt.

For meeting materials, I use:

http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/82/slides/index.json

Then I get all of the individual slides-<wg-name>.html files to get the =
titles and slide order.

The charters are always available at this URL:

http://tools.ietf.org/wg/<wg-name>/charter.txt

using pim as an example again:

http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pim/charter.txt

Tom


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On 11/15/11 12:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
>
> On Nov 14, 2011, at 11:05 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>
>> Is the data for the tools-style agenda available for use by other
>> applications? Robert Sparks and I were both independently thinking
>> that it would be cool to autopopulate the jabber chatroom subjects
>> with links to the agenda, materials, audio streaming URLs, etc.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/
>
> Peter, It's been a while, I hope you're doing well.

Hey. :)

> I just went
> through figuring all of this out (with some help from Henrik) for the
> IETFers iPhone/iPad app I wrote.
>
> The agenda can be text or html depending on how it's submitted.
>
> I've found the easiest way to get it is to ask for the following
> URL:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/agenda/<wg-name>
>
> as an example:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/agenda/pim
>
> This works either way and you don't have to request a .html, and if
> that fails try an .htm, and if that fails, try .txt.
>
> For meeting materials, I use:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/82/slides/index.json
>
> Then I get all of the individual slides-<wg-name>.html files to get
> the titles and slide order.
>
> The charters are always available at this URL:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/<wg-name>/charter.txt

Cool. URI templates. :)

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gregorio-uritemplate/

> using pim as an example again:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pim/charter.txt

Thanks for the info!

What do you do for the streaming audio URL? Or do you not include that?

Peter

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On Nov 14, 2011, at 11:35 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

>=20
> Thanks for the info!
>=20
> What do you do for the streaming audio URL? Or do you not include =
that?
>=20
> Peter


I haven't added it yet. The IETF page at:

http://www.ietf.org/meeting/82/remote-participation.html

lists the streams by room number. That means you need to correlate the =
agenda with the room number and time.

I'm doing that already using the .ics calendar file:

http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/82/agenda_82.ics

But it's a bit of work to parse this and load it into a database to =
query.

Tom=

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Hi Peter,

Yes, there should be etherpads for BOFs too, with links available on
http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/82/ indicated by a pencil, between the
loudspeaker audiofeed icon and the jabber icon.


Best regards,

	Henrik

On 2011-11-15 10:56 Peter Saint-Andre said the following:
> Henrik, do we have etherpad support for BoFs? Notice what Andrew says:
>
> "BoFs really need complete minutes.  Does anyone want to volunteer in
> advance to help by taking the minutes?"
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [weirds] Updated agenda&  other info for the BoF
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:52:41 -0500
> From: Andrew Sullivan<ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>
> To: weirds@ietf.org
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> I uploaded a new agenda to the meeting materials (and included it
> below).
>
> I have been in touch with the Meetecho people, and we will apparently
> have at least some support from them for remote participants.  It
> won't be two-way voice, though, so you'll need a jabber client at least.
>
> BoFs really need complete minutes.  Does anyone want to volunteer in
> advance to help by taking the minutes?
>
> Best,
>
> A
>
>
> Agenda for WEIRDS BoF, IETF 82
>    2011-11-15
>
>       0.  Agenda bashing.
>       1.  Some review of the background
>       2.  Short presentations on what people actually built
>       3.  Short overview of requirements draft and issues in proposed charter
>
> The above items should take no more than 30 minutes.  The remaining
> time is nearly 2 hours; if we don't exhaust discussion in that time,
> it is a testament to wills.
>
>       4.  Questions for discussion (at least 30 mins):
>
>            a.  Is this a problem to be solved?
>
>            b.  Is the problem statement in the proposed charter clear
>            enough?
>
>            c.  Should this build more on IRIS?  Why or why not?
>
>            d.  Is there reasonable prospect for deployment?
>
>            e.  Is one protocol for “registry data” the right approach?
>
>
> RELEVANT DRAFTS:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kucherawy-weirds-requirements-01
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-newton-et-al-weirds-rir-query-00
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-newton-weirds-arin-whoisrws-00
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sheng-weirds-icann-rws-dnrd-00
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fiorelli-weirds-rws-00
>
> RELEVANT OTHER READING:
>
> http://usenix.org/publications/login/2011-10/openpdfs/Newton.pdf
>
> PROPOSED CHARTER
>
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/weirds/current/msg00231.html
>
>

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I raised an issue in the WG Chairs' lunch today, asserting that
sometimes the writeup isn't in the tracker when a document goes
out for IETF Last Call.

Technically I was wrong - the writeup is always in the tracker
history. However, bdelow is a recent case where I failed to find
the writeup although it was there. Basically it was seven months
old behind a lot of other stuff and I didn't notice it.

So I think the issue is that
a) the writeup is hard to find - it would be better if it had
its own "Shepherd Writeup" tab, like "IESG Writeups" does.

b) a seven month old draft writeup on a revised draft isn't
much use. It would be good if the tracker made it easy to
provide an updated writeup if appropriate.

Here's the specific example (I reviewed this draft for Gen-ART).

draft-ietf-fecframe-rtp-raptor

2011-03-11 04 Draft added in state Publication Requested
2011-03-11 04 [writeup posted]
...
[a page or so of AD comments etc]
...
2011-10-10 05 New version available
2011-10-20 05 Last Call was requested

-- 
Regards
   Brian Carpenter



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It seems that document shepherds have no official status as far as the
datatracker is concerned -- for example, they can't upload their proto
writeups directly. Is that by design? Is this something I should take up
with the IESG?

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I am trying to enhance the iPhone/iPad IETFers app with easier post =
meeting playback capabilities and I was trying to think of a good way to =
synchronize the recorded audio with the slides being presented.

One thought that came to mind was to make an entry in the jabber log for =
each slide change. This would give you a timestamp to synchronize to the =
audio. This assumes the audio is somehow timestamped or the recording =
starts at the beginning of the meeting time slot even if no one is =
speaking yet. This log entry could be manually entered by the jabber =
scribe or an application that is showing the slides could be used to =
generate the jabber log entry as someone follows along with the slides.

Does this sound useful and does anyone have a better way to achieve post =
meeting synchronization between the slides and recorded audio?

Thanks,
Tom=

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Hi Peter,

On 2011-11-16 17:02 Peter Saint-Andre said the following:
> It seems that document shepherds have no official status as far as the
> datatracker is concerned -- for example, they can't upload their proto
> writeups directly. Is that by design?

No.  If anything, it's a result of shepherds almost always being also chairs
at the time the currently running code was written.

> Is this something I should take up
> with the IESG?

I think we should make it a sprint or separate work item once the new
schema is deployed -- it seems a bit wasteful to fix this now, as the
new schema has the potential of supporting writeups in a much better
way than now (they can be made their own distinct objects, linked to
the drafts).


Best regards,

	Henrik

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I don't have any better ideas. FWIW, when the MeetEcho guys run a 
meeting, their client automatically puts slide numbers into the jabber 
room when the slide changes. See, for example, the lines marked 
"Meetecho Tc" in the DCON jabber room:

http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/dcon@jabber.ietf.org/2011-11-14.html

/a

On 11/17/11 12:08 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
> I am trying to enhance the iPhone/iPad IETFers app with easier post meeting playback capabilities and I was trying to think of a good way to synchronize the recorded audio with the slides being presented.
>
> One thought that came to mind was to make an entry in the jabber log for each slide change. This would give you a timestamp to synchronize to the audio. This assumes the audio is somehow timestamped or the recording starts at the beginning of the meeting time slot even if no one is speaking yet. This log entry could be manually entered by the jabber scribe or an application that is showing the slides could be used to generate the jabber log entry as someone follows along with the slides.
>
> Does this sound useful and does anyone have a better way to achieve post meeting synchronization between the slides and recorded audio?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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Hi Loa,

On 2011-11-17 15:31 Loa Andersson said the following:
> Henrik,
>
> u can look at the mpls page now

Didn't catch it, sorry.  I should be able to work out what the problem
is if you can take a screen dump for me next time you see it?

Best regards,

	Henrik

> /Loa
>
> On 2011-11-09 22:40, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've looked at these:
>>
>>     http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/
>>     http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mpls/
>>
>> without finding the phenomenon you mention.  Could you clue me in on
>> where (which URL) you're seeing this?
>>
>>
>> 	Henrik
>>
>>
>> On 2011-11-08 23:02 Adrian Farrel said:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I suspect this problem cut in at a specific recent date.
>>>
>>> The recently published RFCs show in a new "Old Drafts" section rather than as
>>> published RFCs.
>>>
>>> I'm guessing some link from I-D to RFC (or vice versa) is missing.
>>>
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
>>>> Sent: 08 November 2011 21:11
>>>> To: IETF-IESG via RT; Adrian Farrel; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; Martin
>>> Vigoureux
>>>> Subject: What is this???
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> there is something odd with the mpls wg datatracker page.
>>>>
>>>> We have a new heading "Old Internet Drafts", all them pointing
>>>> to published RFCs, but when u click on the RFC number you
>>>> get to a "Not found page". Everyone of our latest published
>>>> RFCs are missing.
>>>>
>>>> What happened?
>>>>
>>>> /Loa
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Loa Andersson                         email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com
>>>> Sr Strategy and Standards Manager            loa@pi.nu
>>>> Ericsson Inc                          phone: +46 10 717 52 13
>>>>                                                 +46 767 72 92 13
>>>
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There were three RFCs that were announced a couple of hours ago (6427,  
6428, 6435).  Were those the docs showing up under "Old Drafts"?   
Because if that's the case, it may be that that's how the drafts are  
listed in the time between when the draft is announced and when the  
secretariat changes the doc state to RFC Published and creates the RFC  
record (which I have just done).  Since that's a manual process, the  
time between when the RFC is announced and when we create the record  
can vary, especially if RFCs are announced during non-regular business  
hours.

Best regards,
Cindy


On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

> Hi Loa,
>
> On 2011-11-17 15:31 Loa Andersson said the following:
>> Henrik,
>>
>> u can look at the mpls page now
>
> Didn't catch it, sorry.  I should be able to work out what the problem
> is if you can take a screen dump for me next time you see it?
>
> Best regards,
>
> 	Henrik
>
>> /Loa
>>
>> On 2011-11-09 22:40, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've looked at these:
>>>
>>>    http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/
>>>    http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mpls/
>>>
>>> without finding the phenomenon you mention.  Could you clue me in on
>>> where (which URL) you're seeing this?
>>>
>>>
>>> 	Henrik
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2011-11-08 23:02 Adrian Farrel said:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I suspect this problem cut in at a specific recent date.
>>>>
>>>> The recently published RFCs show in a new "Old Drafts" section  
>>>> rather than as
>>>> published RFCs.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing some link from I-D to RFC (or vice versa) is missing.
>>>>
>>>> Adrian
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
>>>>> Sent: 08 November 2011 21:11
>>>>> To: IETF-IESG via RT; Adrian Farrel; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org;  
>>>>> Martin
>>>> Vigoureux
>>>>> Subject: What is this???
>>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> there is something odd with the mpls wg datatracker page.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a new heading "Old Internet Drafts", all them pointing
>>>>> to published RFCs, but when u click on the RFC number you
>>>>> get to a "Not found page". Everyone of our latest published
>>>>> RFCs are missing.
>>>>>
>>>>> What happened?
>>>>>
>>>>> /Loa
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Loa Andersson                         email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com
>>>>> Sr Strategy and Standards Manager            loa@pi.nu
>>>>> Ericsson Inc                          phone: +46 10 717 52 13
>>>>>                                                +46 767 72 92 13
>>>>
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>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development
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>>>
>>
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Hi Cindy,

On 2011-11-17 17:21 Cindy Morgan said the following:
> There were three RFCs that were announced a couple of hours ago (6427,
> 6428, 6435).  Were those the docs showing up under "Old Drafts"?
> Because if that's the case, it may be that that's how the drafts are
> listed in the time between when the draft is announced and when the
> secretariat changes the doc state to RFC Published and creates the RFC
> record (which I have just done).

That makes sense, and narrows the area I need to look at.  Thanks!

>  Since that's a manual process, the
> time between when the RFC is announced and when we create the record
> can vary, especially if RFCs are announced during non-regular business
> hours.

Understood.

Best regards,

	Henrik

> Best regards,
> Cindy
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>
>> Hi Loa,
>>
>> On 2011-11-17 15:31 Loa Andersson said the following:
>>> Henrik,
>>>
>>> u can look at the mpls page now
>>
>> Didn't catch it, sorry.  I should be able to work out what the problem
>> is if you can take a screen dump for me next time you see it?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> 	Henrik
>>
>>> /Loa
>>>
>>> On 2011-11-09 22:40, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I've looked at these:
>>>>
>>>>     http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mpls/
>>>>     http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mpls/
>>>>
>>>> without finding the phenomenon you mention.  Could you clue me in on
>>>> where (which URL) you're seeing this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 	Henrik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2011-11-08 23:02 Adrian Farrel said:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect this problem cut in at a specific recent date.
>>>>>
>>>>> The recently published RFCs show in a new "Old Drafts" section
>>>>> rather than as
>>>>> published RFCs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm guessing some link from I-D to RFC (or vice versa) is missing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adrian
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]
>>>>>> Sent: 08 November 2011 21:11
>>>>>> To: IETF-IESG via RT; Adrian Farrel; mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org;
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>> Vigoureux
>>>>>> Subject: What is this???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there is something odd with the mpls wg datatracker page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have a new heading "Old Internet Drafts", all them pointing
>>>>>> to published RFCs, but when u click on the RFC number you
>>>>>> get to a "Not found page". Everyone of our latest published
>>>>>> RFCs are missing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What happened?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Loa
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Loa Andersson                         email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com
>>>>>> Sr Strategy and Standards Manager            loa@pi.nu
>>>>>> Ericsson Inc                          phone: +46 10 717 52 13
>>>>>>                                                 +46 767 72 92 13
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
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>>>
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<http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/>
<http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/>

Getting this error:
"
An error occurred at this point in the web-page generation.
An error report has been sent to the webmaster. If this error isn't
fixed within 48 hours, please contact the web page author directly.
" % (timestr(filetime(cachename)), timestr(dirtime("."))) 451 # if not
cachefile: include = filename =
'/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/index.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
include(filename='/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/index.pyht') 222 223 if
string.find(code, "\n") > -1: 224 exec code in execglobals, execlocals
225 else: 226 res = eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code = '
\ntryinclude("head.pyht")\ntryinclude("top.pyht")\ntryinclude("drafts.pyht")\ntryinclude("bot.pyht")\n'
global execglobals = {'Wg': 'Ecrit', '__builtins__': , 'area': 'rai',
'args': {}, 'basename': , 'cookie': , 'dirname': , 'env':
{'HTTP_COOKIE': 'ietfmenu=show', 'REDIRECT_STATU...t/',
'HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip,deflate,sdch'}, 'escape': >, 'filetext':
, ...} execlocals = {'__name__': 'embedded-code-at-line-6', 'datenow':
'28 Nov 2011 16:51 GMT', 'filebase': 'index', 'filedate': , 'fileext':
'.pyht', 'filename': '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/index.pyht',
'filepath': '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit', 'filetime': ,
'interpreter': '/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py', 'time': , ...}
/home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/ in () /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
tryinclude(filename='top.pyht') 244 def tryinclude(filename): 245 if
os.path.isfile(filename): 246 include(filename) 247 return "" 248
global include = filename = 'top.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
include(filename='top.pyht') 222 223 if string.find(code, "\n") > -1:
224 exec code in execglobals, execlocals 225 else: 226 res =
eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code = '\nchairlist =
filetext("chairs.txt").rstrip().spl...f="mailto:%s">%s
\\n\' %(chair[0], name))\n' global execglobals = {'Wg': 'Ecrit',
'__builtins__': , 'area': 'rai', 'args': {}, 'basename': , 'cookie': ,
'dirname': , 'env': {'HTTP_COOKIE': 'ietfmenu=show',
'REDIRECT_STATU...t/', 'HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip,deflate,sdch'},
'escape': >, 'filetext': , ...} execlocals = {'__name__':
'embedded-code-at-line-70', 'ad':
'gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com\tGonzalo Camarillo', 'adlist': ':
Robert Sparks, Gonzalo Camarillo', 'chair':
'marc.linsner@cisco.com\tMarc Linsner', 'chairlist':
['marc.linsner@cisco.com\tMarc Linsner', 'rbarnes@bbn.com\tRichard
Barnes'], 'chartered': '2005-Feb-09', 'concluded': '', 'datenow': '28
Nov 2011 16:51 GMT', 'docroot': '/home/www/tools.ietf.org/', 'email':
['marc.linsner', 'cisco.com'], ...} /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/
in () /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/ in
getimg(path='../../photo/', name='Marc Linsner') : No module named
Image __class__ = __delattr__ = __dict__ = {} __doc__ = "Import can't
find module, or can't find name in module." __format__ =
__getattribute__ = __getitem__ = __getslice__ = __hash__ = __init__ =
__new__ = __reduce__ = __reduce_ex__ = __repr__ = __setattr__ =
__setstate__ = __sizeof__ = __str__ = __subclasshook__ = __unicode__ =
args = ('No module named Image',) message = 'No module named Image'
The above is a description of an error in a Python program. Here is
the original traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File
"/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 449, in include(filename) File
"/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 224, in include exec code in execglobals,
execlocals File "", line 3, in File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 246,
in tryinclude include(filename) File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 224,
in include exec code in execglobals, execlocals File "", line 12, in
File "", line 21, in getimg ImportError: No module named Image -->
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On 11/16/11 11:29 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> On 2011-11-16 17:02 Peter Saint-Andre said the following:
>> It seems that document shepherds have no official status as far as the
>> datatracker is concerned -- for example, they can't upload their proto
>> writeups directly. Is that by design?
> 
> No.  If anything, it's a result of shepherds almost always being also
> chairs
> at the time the currently running code was written.
> 
>> Is this something I should take up
>> with the IESG?
> 
> I think we should make it a sprint or separate work item once the new
> schema is deployed -- it seems a bit wasteful to fix this now, as the
> new schema has the potential of supporting writeups in a much better
> way than now (they can be made their own distinct objects, linked to
> the drafts).

That makes sense. Thanks for following up!

Peter

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6man too.  It looks like any w.g. with a "*" in the list at the left is =
affected.

Bob

On Nov 28, 2011, at 8:52 AM, Richard Barnes wrote:

> <http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/>
> <http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/>
>=20
> Getting this error:
> "
> An error occurred at this point in the web-page generation.
> An error report has been sent to the webmaster. If this error isn't
> fixed within 48 hours, please contact the web page author directly.
> " % (timestr(filetime(cachename)), timestr(dirtime("."))) 451 # if not
> cachefile: include =3D filename =3D
> '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/index.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
> include(filename=3D'/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/index.pyht') 222 223 =
if
> string.find(code, "\n") > -1: 224 exec code in execglobals, execlocals
> 225 else: 226 res =3D eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code =3D '
> =
\ntryinclude("head.pyht")\ntryinclude("top.pyht")\ntryinclude("drafts.pyht=
")\ntryinclude("bot.pyht")\n'
> global execglobals =3D {'Wg': 'Ecrit', '__builtins__': , 'area': =
'rai',
> 'args': {}, 'basename': , 'cookie': , 'dirname': , 'env':
> {'HTTP_COOKIE': 'ietfmenu=3Dshow', 'REDIRECT_STATU...t/',
> 'HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip,deflate,sdch'}, 'escape': >, 'filetext':
> , ...} execlocals =3D {'__name__': 'embedded-code-at-line-6', =
'datenow':
> '28 Nov 2011 16:51 GMT', 'filebase': 'index', 'filedate': , 'fileext':
> '.pyht', 'filename': '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/index.pyht',
> 'filepath': '/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit', 'filetime': ,
> 'interpreter': '/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py', 'time': , ...}
> /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/ in () /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
> tryinclude(filename=3D'top.pyht') 244 def tryinclude(filename): 245 if
> os.path.isfile(filename): 246 include(filename) 247 return "" 248
> global include =3D filename =3D 'top.pyht' /www/cgi-bin/pyht.py in
> include(filename=3D'top.pyht') 222 223 if string.find(code, "\n") > =
-1:
> 224 exec code in execglobals, execlocals 225 else: 226 res =3D
> eval(code, execglobals, execlocals) code =3D '\nchairlist =3D
> filetext("chairs.txt").rstrip().spl...f=3D"mailto:%s">%s
> \\n\' %(chair[0], name))\n' global execglobals =3D {'Wg': 'Ecrit',
> '__builtins__': , 'area': 'rai', 'args': {}, 'basename': , 'cookie': ,
> 'dirname': , 'env': {'HTTP_COOKIE': 'ietfmenu=3Dshow',
> 'REDIRECT_STATU...t/', 'HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING': 'gzip,deflate,sdch'},
> 'escape': >, 'filetext': , ...} execlocals =3D {'__name__':
> 'embedded-code-at-line-70', 'ad':
> 'gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com\tGonzalo Camarillo', 'adlist': ':
> Robert Sparks, Gonzalo Camarillo', 'chair':
> 'marc.linsner@cisco.com\tMarc Linsner', 'chairlist':
> ['marc.linsner@cisco.com\tMarc Linsner', 'rbarnes@bbn.com\tRichard
> Barnes'], 'chartered': '2005-Feb-09', 'concluded': '', 'datenow': '28
> Nov 2011 16:51 GMT', 'docroot': '/home/www/tools.ietf.org/', 'email':
> ['marc.linsner', 'cisco.com'], ...} /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/
> in () /home/www/tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/ in
> getimg(path=3D'../../photo/', name=3D'Marc Linsner') : No module named
> Image __class__ =3D __delattr__ =3D __dict__ =3D {} __doc__ =3D =
"Import can't
> find module, or can't find name in module." __format__ =3D
> __getattribute__ =3D __getitem__ =3D __getslice__ =3D __hash__ =3D =
__init__ =3D
> __new__ =3D __reduce__ =3D __reduce_ex__ =3D __repr__ =3D __setattr__ =
=3D
> __setstate__ =3D __sizeof__ =3D __str__ =3D __subclasshook__ =3D =
__unicode__ =3D
> args =3D ('No module named Image',) message =3D 'No module named =
Image'
> The above is a description of an error in a Python program. Here is
> the original traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File
> "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 449, in include(filename) File
> "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 224, in include exec code in execglobals,
> execlocals File "", line 3, in File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 246,
> in tryinclude include(filename) File "/www/cgi-bin/pyht.py", line 224,
> in include exec code in execglobals, execlocals File "", line 12, in
> File "", line 21, in getimg ImportError: No module named Image -->
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Folks,

As a chair for the first time in some years, I'm learning what tools we have.

In learning the pre-authorization tool, I initially thought it handled a 
different function that would be useful:

    The ability to link in pre-working group document versions,
    to complete the history

Thoughts?

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