From mcr@sandelman.ca Sun Mar 3 13:29:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E5C21F884A for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:29:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8chzv2QeBulf for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B392821F8846 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 13:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (desk.marajade.sandelman.ca [209.87.252.247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EFDC20168 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 232DC10473; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07528251E5 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2013 16:28:26 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: MH-E 8.3; nmh 1.3-dev; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 22) X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Subject: [Tools-discuss] Saturday hacking X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:29:42 -0000 If there are people coming to the Saturday Code Sprint who do not have an appropriate working environment (python, django, mysqld), and do not want to set one up, I would be happy to give you an ssh account on my devel VM. Please just send SecSH public keys. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ From dwing@cisco.com Tue Mar 5 12:35:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B5311E8130 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:35:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hAItritAOx4w for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-2.cisco.com (mtv-iport-2.cisco.com [173.36.130.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F307C11E8124 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:35:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=674; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1362515730; x=1363725330; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; bh=LY7Z88PtuTHBzf3OJ66zcc58I2mbRYGcjieGXKOOubk=; b=hgoYicflKbu4sGHdWuS0FWGM/vuqmJpiVYGeOF7nhKi1k/SiVjDoItKF MwHI3prL+VuY03rsat5lkAQJkGrksmKWjLHIrt4vSK7o3U0jUU/DOc8Am CAHjHDm7BayIwYQ3VFHd12f5+g15VLjUHcjnHky0sobFzUNZbF06W4fbJ U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqAJABpWNlGrRDoI/2dsb2JhbABEiB68RQSBcBZzgjIIAjBMBWg/AQQeBYgCmziRFZAoBI4GgSSDKgOIbIUviC+QboMp X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,790,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="74342439" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Mar 2013 20:35:28 +0000 Received: from DWINGWS01 ([10.156.17.65]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r25KZRoU006942 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 20:35:27 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:35:27 -0800 Message-ID: <09ac01ce19e0$f8e61500$eab23f00$@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac4Z4HtI+ZWsCyR1Swiuq8DR4dSePw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tools-discuss] multiple WG names in I-D filename X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 20:35:30 -0000 Some drafts are putting multiple WG names into the filename, like draft-dhesikan-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos and draft-thomson-mmusic-rtcweb-bw-consent. But I noticed that the Tools status page only notices the first WG name that appears in the draft, that is, https://tools.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb doesn't show either of those draft I-Ds, whereas https://tools.ietf.org/wg/tsvwg and https://tools.ietf.org/wg/mmusic show the drafts. It seems valuable if we could have the tools status page show drafts for each WG, until there is a non-matching WG name in the draft. Thoughts? If so, I can figure out how to open a bug to see if anyone wants to add this functionality. -d From sgolson@trilobyte.com Wed Mar 6 08:11:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0224A21F8754 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 08:11:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id voEygz0JK+uc for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 08:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from olenellus.trilobyte.com (olenellus.trilobyte.com [173.162.235.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE4721F8742 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 08:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by olenellus.trilobyte.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACB034C444DE for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 11:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from olenellus.trilobyte.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (olenellus.trilobyte.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aWcVASzYUQkJ for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 11:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from opie.trilobyte.com (opie.trilobyte.com [192.195.169.152]) by olenellus.trilobyte.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CED534C444CE for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 11:11:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <51376A9D.2020403@trilobyte.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 11:11:09 -0500 From: Steve Golson Organization: Trilobyte Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130216 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 09:05:13 -0800 Subject: [Tools-discuss] HTML fail for RFC 6298 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:20:36 -0000 Hi all, The HTML for RFC 6298 is truncated. Page 10 is trimmed and page 11 is not shown. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6298 PDF and TXT look fine. -seg Steve Golson / Trilobyte Systems / +1.978.369.9669 / sgolson@trilobyte.com Consulting in: Verilog, synthesis, patent analysis, reverse engineering From lars@netapp.com Fri Mar 8 06:24:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19FD21F8415 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:24:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.168, BAYES_00=-2.599, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=1.787, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_06=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GEPVnZv3ovgz for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:24:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx12.netapp.com (mx12.netapp.com [216.240.18.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C93321F8629 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:24:43 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,808,1355126400"; d="png'150?scan'150,208,217,150";a="29211606" Received: from smtp1.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.156.124]) by mx12-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 08 Mar 2013 06:24:24 -0800 Received: from vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com (vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com [10.106.76.241]) by smtp1.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id r28EOOR5000793 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.54]) by vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.241]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:24:24 -0800 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Tools Team Discussion Thread-Topic: small slide update issue Thread-Index: AQHOHAihJ9KS5mZGO0ylSDNOPw/U5A== Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 14:24:23 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.106.53.51] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_D4D47BCFFE5A004F95D707546AC0D7E91F79B0FDSACEXCMBX01PRDh_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Tools-discuss] small slide update issue X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 14:24:47 -0000 --_004_D4D47BCFFE5A004F95D707546AC0D7E91F79B0FDSACEXCMBX01PRDh_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D4D47BCFFE5A004F95D707546AC0D7E91F79B0FDSACEXCMBX01PRDh_" --_000_D4D47BCFFE5A004F95D707546AC0D7E91F79B0FDSACEXCMBX01PRDh_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Typo in the word presentation: [cid:83B5742D-5E9D-41C0-ABEE-7738ADEEE2BC@hq.netapp.com] Also, only after the slide update has happened are the checks run that dete= ct whether the name is empty. That's suboptimal, check this first? Lars --_000_D4D47BCFFE5A004F95D707546AC0D7E91F79B0FDSACEXCMBX01PRDh_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <80A5C9329BA6F54888868DF3EE21A33F@tahoe.netapp.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Typo in the word presentation:

Also, only after the slide update has happened are the checks run that= detect whether the name is empty. That's suboptimal, check this first?

Lars
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--_004_D4D47BCFFE5A004F95D707546AC0D7E91F79B0FDSACEXCMBX01PRDh_-- From stpeter@stpeter.im Fri Mar 8 11:34:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2511C21F8698 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:34:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.302 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.302 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.297, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CAAhcBHi35Qz for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6165A21F8697 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.129.24.65] (unknown [128.107.239.233]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B49CB4004E for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 12:42:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <513A3D46.4000208@stpeter.im> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 12:34:30 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130216 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] searching for BCPs at https://datatracker.ietf.org/ X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 19:34:36 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It would be nice if searches for BCP documents yielded results at https://datatracker.ietf.org/ (e.g., I tried to search for "bcp79" and "bcp 79" but got no hits). Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJROj1GAAoJEOoGpJErxa2pEscP/2jgEtcELir7HcFyqDVbvMCW u6eLGpHv5TmeKCiEJT7X6Tj+yu2erVrc5ra/+ueR5eB1A0rO/EzNNd2fDAALQoZa cJD634VMj3Dm1U4WUYZTdXmxNXR0vi2f3ad7d8hfOD5IQKWaew5H9LqM57N2lm/w WC8Xwz3zs2+fKFjATdBDyk1lwZdQLb6Ik9GQeUWC8NFO1/4r5DyKF9Szl+p2sWJX yJ8NLzBWnFH4ehALp8eZPoSodSJA1m6I5u9wGLp+oHsGGiPCCrPkrMy9poZghhNu QlB90ngIMbo/2YXwe18PXGmx31oXB78kkKridzSOZd7UFsWCAMiNVx/cLRB/Wn9K uDBEsvV169XihH6aB94qJfTuWgRfRNZmB9fz2FZid9m3JYaWXI92cQR/gluItOba nWpMp4GPodLJsVumJG2q+6545wBUx0eDvKC4vfO4L1XDWa00ABwq4KPe4BW/4FlW lX5DKPpyckd2c0ogZ2An/5t3SwwK+GfZTRjBqXze7CFxtkHhU44RqE2Uj128HwOk w3iYUNmok0FDm8B5DAjF7gFRQDhqBnt6TMrsXUdL3cEPYc4Hl1anqmZH1v1pGXlr JPD8ds2pyovrTUWuwNTk8vZh0660+tnAqHEI6LmtFteonnPqz3Hv2lfExzfsOf8P HRl6oypBqfk4vx5HWDfJ =ZW/J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fred@cisco.com Sun Mar 10 10:38:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4229D11E80AE for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:38:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.600, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_74=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PLMWQxgj3K-J for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E384921F8865 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:38:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=42349; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1362937122; x=1364146722; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=ZFZ6qfvRFWOuBW0kx9RtxSCGxsU0xKazQF2slMP9GFk=; b=KYK50fRgroNMIYCMOpGN9s+5bBc/rY+/6fuqVNHUFa2TaaL9+buzkH8n NjNLuFWq/Dooj3Vte+sxmoWxtuTrkSj2cL3x4V/INZKCVQYV2CU3dCM4C SwDITQu6DGkMB10z9LS5sitorXlrj3i/skhgmFQVsN2XNyMGJ1XznCu4m c=; X-Files: ietf-86-IAOC+Bits-N-Bites+softwire+IETF+opsawg+Welcome+v6ops+tcpm+opsec+ospf+Technical+behave+6man+homenet+isis+Newcomers'+iccrg+intarea copy.ics, ietf-86-IAOC+Bits-N-Bites+softwire+IETF+opsawg+Welcome+v6ops+tcpm+opsec+ospf+Technical+behave+6man+homenet+isis+Newcomers'+iccrg+intarea.ics : 13939, 14197 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAIHEPFGtJXG//2dsb2JhbABCxEGBShZ0gigBBHkSASomMCcEDg0GiAW7Q45dFhsQglZhA48ziECPV4MKgig X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,819,1355097600"; d="ics'?scan'208";a="185625884" Received: from rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com ([173.37.113.191]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2013 17:38:41 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x10.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x10.cisco.com [173.36.12.84]) by rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2AHcfg0008951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:38:41 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.9.206]) by xhc-aln-x10.cisco.com ([173.36.12.84]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:38:41 -0500 From: "Fred Baker (fred)" To: Henrik Levkowetz Thread-Topic: Issue with .ics file for IETF 86 Thread-Index: AQHOHbYa5Fi4snk1ZESL1Gcq5dnuhw== Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:38:41 +0000 Message-ID: <8C48B86A895913448548E6D15DA7553B7C835B@xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.82.228.20] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_003_8C48B86A895913448548E6D15DA7553B7C835Bxmbrcdx09ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: [Tools-discuss] Issue with .ics file for IETF 86 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:38:43 -0000 --_003_8C48B86A895913448548E6D15DA7553B7C835Bxmbrcdx09ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The past week or so I have been unable to refresh the calendar in MacOSX 10= .8.2's Calendar tool. I took a look at it today, and found something you ma= y be interested in. See attached files. The one downloaded from the IETF site is rejected, but = the modified copy works correctly. Here's the diff. 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Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From henrik@levkowetz.com Sun Mar 10 23:05:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4926121F8899 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 23:05:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 84FnZfCbp2qz for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 23:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31::14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A238E21F8884 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 23:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-42f7.meeting.ietf.org ([130.129.66.247]:59630) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UEvqn-0006TZ-Uo; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:04:52 +0100 Message-ID: <513D73EF.80701@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:04:31 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2OAQQBHIDSPISWHCLWOGE" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 130.129.66.247 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: cabo@tzi.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:57:07 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] SVN down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 06:05:14 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2OAQQBHIDSPISWHCLWOGE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2013-03-11 01:46 Carsten Bormann said the following: > svn.tools.ietf.org accepts TCP, but doesn't send anything back after re= quest. Yes, between about 17:00 and 24:00 grenache.tools.ietf.org was uncontacta= ble because of a huge spam run. I couldn't even get in to manage things. It= 's recovered now, though, and you should be able to use svn again. 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Unfortunately, this no longer seems to work for anything older than IETF 83: http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/agenda/#RAI Unfortunately, the error I get is somewhat opaque. /a From cabo@tzi.org Mon Mar 11 13:42:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6895C21F90DA for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:42:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0G4U4x9s3Gzu for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE3521F90BD for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:42:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2BKgArq002955; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:42:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (zoo.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.218.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A02593B88; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:42:09 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <500573A9.2070402@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:41:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <889E41C3-F35F-403D-8A91-721CF0B86689@tzi.org> References: <500552AA.5050800@levkowetz.com> <500567FC.4040203@levkowetz.com> <500573A9.2070402@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.mcgrew-tls-aes-ccm-ecc.xml X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:42:18 -0000 In my continuing quest for a clean 1id-abstracts.txt, I noticed that draft-tuexen-tsvwg-sctp-sack-immediately-10.txt is in there (Generated 2013-03-11 17:15:58 UTC) even though the tools = page clearly knows it has been superseded by = draft-tuexen-tsvwg-sctp-sack-immediately-10.txt. Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten On Jul 17, 2012, at 10:16, Henrik Levkowetz = wrote: > Hi Carsten, >=20 > On 2012-07-17 15:45 Carsten Bormann said: >> On Jul 17, 2012, at 15:26, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >>=20 >>> I've modified that now >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> http://www.ietf.org/id/1id-abstracts.txt says: >> "Generated 2012-07-17 06:10:14" >>=20 >> Which timezone is that? >> (It would be nice to have that UTC-based.) >=20 > Of course. That was sloppy of me; sloppier than I like to think > I usually am. Fixing that. >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From mcr@sandelman.ca Mon Mar 11 15:17:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920FA21F8CA0 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:17:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.359 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.359 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.929, BAYES_00=-2.599, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ma2I13UPlZE8 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC79F21F8C98 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (unknown [130.129.20.151]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 245C922060; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sandelman.ca (quigon.sandelman.ca [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85565CA0BC; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:17:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Adam Roach In-reply-to: <513DED84.3010508@nostrum.com> References: <513DED84.3010508@nostrum.com> Comments: In-reply-to Adam Roach message dated "Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:43:16 -0400." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.3; nmh 1.3; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 22) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:17:01 -0400 Message-ID: <5702.1363040221@sandelman.ca> Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IETF agenda page failures X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:17:15 -0000 >>>>> "Adam" == Adam Roach writes: Adam> Until recently, you could go back pretty far on the Adam> datatracker agenda page (I know I was using events from the Adam> mid-60's for my testing). Unfortunately, this no longer seems Adam> to work for anything older than IETF 83: Adam> http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/agenda/#RAI https://orlando.gatineau.credil.org/meeting/82/agenda/#RAI seems to work. I conclude that either: a) it's a change since 4.40 b) there is a database content problem -- Michael Richardson -on the road- From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Tue Mar 12 02:05:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C239921F8826 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:05:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.475 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.475 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.554, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=1.908, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0yMs-p79t-Pj for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x230.google.com (mail-we0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::230]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150E821F84CD for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-we0-f176.google.com with SMTP id s43so4337891wey.7 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:05:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1yHffwnj/7aLo2zlIz1FVs4ErB3vOMLtFCCRYdSZFSE=; b=dIz6zgDvXQXWeI6iPhNJPvBwlQ5yXnaVU/xTZ5J7IEvP2yxHFQR7wnaXnjGieDQI/P 8x6PMIVe5sVqbHnS3huRKsfPKQITKh3ewYm+1Qj8ecf/kdicds6ubOwg12hGeXUcr1Jc q09MgMzrugdd8vDEq8173jNPsH1rR3Ndk/GXWJWr+MKJO1Uwbc7RBZ73vbaSO7R8AVej 47l/+zbjNBBX4Sg0SJLdo2Gry5+KZZOGkL9D4Wjvw2s2mcwsrzHhKA0VYQJY5ExRNGGJ jbSJjjfFUPFfyXegiIxHQwnny5yza5X2VCYlvpVUY7ogP1WMDjDoYlCHmPQdKdP0htbD /9wg== X-Received: by 10.194.87.229 with SMTP id bb5mr24690290wjb.32.1363079126852; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (host-2-101-189-96.as13285.net. [2.101.189.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ex15sm20597360wid.5.2013.03.12.02.05.25 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <513EEFDA.4000402@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:05:30 +0000 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6883 broken? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:05:32 -0000 How long should it normally take before the HTML version appears on-line? Brian From lars@netapp.com Wed Mar 13 11:09:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86BB21F8E65 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:09:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.03 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.03 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.230, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SNXXDiRfjjbf for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx12.netapp.com (mx12.netapp.com [216.240.18.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A02F21F8E0B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:09:02 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,838,1355126400"; d="scan'208";a="30521804" Received: from smtp2.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.159.114]) by mx12-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 13 Mar 2013 11:09:02 -0700 Received: from vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com (vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com [10.106.76.240]) by smtp2.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id r2DI91rh018559; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.54]) by vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:09:00 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Ole Laursen Thread-Topic: datatracker chairs extensions not working for IRTF RG chairs Thread-Index: AQHOIBXVmNQJtOTen062yazGYnVG+Q== Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:08:59 +0000 Message-ID: References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.104.60.117] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <238D32AB1372AE4482DD901FC2C29F98@tahoe.netapp.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: [Tools-discuss] datatracker chairs extensions not working for IRTF RG chairs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:09:02 -0000 Hi, I had an IRTF RG chair confirm that they still cannot use the datatracker e= xtensions for chairs. Ole, I think folks during the RFC Editor lunch today said that you were the= correct person to look into that? Lars Begin forwarded message: > From: "Eggert, Lars" > Subject: [irsg] guinea pig needed > Date: March 13, 2013 13:56:14 EDT > To: Internet Research Steering Group >=20 > Hi, >=20 > could one of you RG chairs please: >=20 > 1. go to https://datatracker.ietf.org/ > 2. sign in > 3. search for an ID belonging to your RG > 4. click on it > 5. see if you get some of the "Adopt in WG" etc. management links and can= use them >=20 > I'm trying to find out if access for you guys has been set up or if I am = still the only one who has access. >=20 > Thanks, > Lars From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Mar 13 11:30:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1062621F8EF2 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:30:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W2fYQ4mDVMGk for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD28B21F8DEC for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59908 helo=dhcp-541e.meeting.ietf.org ident=henrik) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UFqRA-000710-Ac; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:30:04 +0100 Message-ID: <5140C5AA.7090508@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:30:02 -0400 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Wing References: <09ac01ce19e0$f8e61500$eab23f00$@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <09ac01ce19e0$f8e61500$eab23f00$@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dwing@cisco.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] multiple WG names in I-D filename X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:30:16 -0000 Hi Dan, On 2013-03-05 15:35 Dan Wing said the following: > Some drafts are putting multiple WG names into the filename, like > draft-dhesikan-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos and draft-thomson-mmusic-rtcweb-bw-consent. > But I noticed that the Tools status page only notices the first WG name that > appears in the draft, that is, https://tools.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb doesn't show > either of those draft I-Ds, whereas https://tools.ietf.org/wg/tsvwg and > https://tools.ietf.org/wg/mmusic show the drafts. > > It seems valuable if we could have the tools status page show drafts for > each WG, until there is a non-matching WG name in the draft. Thoughts? If > so, I can figure out how to open a bug to see if anyone wants to add this > functionality. I used to do a simplified version of this on tools (basically not restricting the matches to the third name component) but had to give up on that when the WG 'core' came along, as the number of false hits for that WG was - eh - a bit excessive. An alternative way forward might be to modify the draft submission tool to capture the authors' own statement of which WGs the draft is relevant for. This would of course only give us information going forward from the deployment of that fix, but it would be much more definitive information that the current convention provides. Something for the next sprint? Best regards, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Mar 13 11:32:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFEF21F8E92 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:32:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S6QG6vrf5xDx for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8321B21F8A14 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59980 helo=dhcp-541e.meeting.ietf.org ident=henrik) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UFqT7-0007FX-Bs; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:32:05 +0100 Message-ID: <5140C623.5080709@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:32:03 -0400 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Golson References: <51376A9D.2020403@trilobyte.com> In-Reply-To: <51376A9D.2020403@trilobyte.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: sgolson@trilobyte.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML fail for RFC 6298 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:32:08 -0000 Hi Steve, On 2013-03-06 11:11 Steve Golson said the following: > Hi all, > > The HTML for RFC 6298 is truncated. Page 10 is trimmed and page 11 is not shown. > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6298 > > PDF and TXT look fine. Thanks for the alert! Fixed. Best regards, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Mar 13 11:39:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B41321F8653 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:39:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OtGguyFiz+Z7 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA16121F84BD for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60373 helo=dhcp-541e.meeting.ietf.org ident=henrik) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UFqZn-0002V7-R4; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:38:59 +0100 Message-ID: <5140C7C1.90406@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:38:57 -0400 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Roach References: <513DED84.3010508@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <513DED84.3010508@nostrum.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: adam@nostrum.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IETF agenda page failures X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:39:01 -0000 Hi Adam, On 2013-03-11 10:43 Adam Roach said the following: > Until recently, you could go back pretty far on the datatracker agenda > page (I know I was using events from the mid-60's for my testing). > Unfortunately, this no longer seems to work for anything older than IETF 83: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/agenda/#RAI > > Unfortunately, the error I get is somewhat opaque. Humm. Timezone information is missing for earlier meetings, and we're using that in the agendas now. I'll tweak the code and ask if the secretariat can backfill. Best regards, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Mar 13 11:45:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A66711E80BA for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:45:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pmNdvmUE2AXt for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F37C11E80DF for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60906 helo=dhcp-541e.meeting.ietf.org ident=henrik) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UFqgJ-0007Z8-IW; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:45:43 +0100 Message-ID: <5140C955.9040809@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:45:41 -0400 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian E Carpenter References: <513EEFDA.4000402@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <513EEFDA.4000402@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6883 broken? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:45:45 -0000 Hi Brian, On 2013-03-12 05:05 Brian E Carpenter said the following: > How long should it normally take before the HTML version appears on-line? Up to 1 hour from the .txt version becomes available. Looks OK here now. Best regards, Henrik From pusateri@bangj.com Wed Mar 13 20:08:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CF621F8E5B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:08:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.735 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.735 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ubnN3FaKygpU for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4B121F8D9A for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.43.215.79] (unknown [72.253.78.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1F0E511612 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Pusateri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <75E6AACE-0684-4645-92E9-1572F0B6358E@bangj.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:08:15 -1000 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Subject: [Tools-discuss] raw jabber logs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:08:20 -0000 I found the HTML-ized version of the jabber logs at = http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs I was hoping for a version that is more easily machine parseable (like = the XML). Is this kept around or do we only have HTML? Thanks, Tom= From derhoermi@gmx.net Wed Mar 13 20:17:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BB321F8CD2 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:17:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.404 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.404 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.805, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZHOzoa+q-ocX for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A017621F8CCD for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.2]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MPsKa-1UKwkJ2ilG-00547l for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 04:17:01 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Mar 2013 03:17:01 -0000 Received: from p5B232B5A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO netb.fritz.box) [91.35.43.90] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 14 Mar 2013 04:17:01 +0100 X-Authenticated: #723575 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/9OCUHsEj9WFIfEyvUvCagwHwdQ/8RJYJpjJLN0T X5acuwr1J2TYjt From: Bjoern Hoehrmann To: Tom Pusateri Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 04:17:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: <75E6AACE-0684-4645-92E9-1572F0B6358E@bangj.com> In-Reply-To: <75E6AACE-0684-4645-92E9-1572F0B6358E@bangj.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] raw jabber logs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:17:05 -0000 * Tom Pusateri wrote: >I found the HTML-ized version of the jabber logs at >http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs There used to be http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/xmpp/ plain text files as the only logs, but apparently that has changed. It seems easy though to turn the HTML files into plain text, it's mostly a template plus some formatting elements. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjoern@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. 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[2.101.189.141]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k5sm2176694wiy.5.2013.03.14.00.49.29 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Mar 2013 00:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51418110.7080808@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:49:36 +0000 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <513EEFDA.4000402@gmail.com> <5140C955.9040809@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <5140C955.9040809@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6883 broken? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:49:33 -0000 On 13/03/2013 18:45, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Brian, > > On 2013-03-12 05:05 Brian E Carpenter said the following: >> How long should it normally take before the HTML version appears on-line? > > Up to 1 hour from the .txt version becomes available. > > Looks OK here now. Here too, but it took a day or two, so maybe the process got stuck for some reason. (I'm not normally obsessive about checking my own RFCs, but in this case it became relevant to cite it for someone right after it came out.) Thanks! 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[2.101.189.141]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q2sm2235484wiz.8.2013.03.14.01.03.58 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Mar 2013 01:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51418479.2010708@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:04:09 +0000 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <09ac01ce19e0$f8e61500$eab23f00$@cisco.com> <5140C5AA.7090508@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <5140C5AA.7090508@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Dan Wing Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] multiple WG names in I-D filename X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:04:03 -0000 On 13/03/2013 18:30, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Dan, > > On 2013-03-05 15:35 Dan Wing said the following: >> Some drafts are putting multiple WG names into the filename, like >> draft-dhesikan-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos and draft-thomson-mmusic-rtcweb-bw-consent. >> But I noticed that the Tools status page only notices the first WG name that >> appears in the draft, that is, https://tools.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb doesn't show >> either of those draft I-Ds, whereas https://tools.ietf.org/wg/tsvwg and >> https://tools.ietf.org/wg/mmusic show the drafts. >> >> It seems valuable if we could have the tools status page show drafts for >> each WG, until there is a non-matching WG name in the draft. Thoughts? If >> so, I can figure out how to open a bug to see if anyone wants to add this >> functionality. > > I used to do a simplified version of this on tools (basically not restricting > the matches to the third name component) but had to give up on that when > the WG 'core' came along, as the number of false hits for that WG was - eh - > a bit excessive. Yes, this seems doomed to me, since we like to use English words for WG names when we can. Imagine draft-wing-simple-dime-core-clue (about a simple method of provide a clue to a core implementation of dime). > > An alternative way forward might be to modify the draft submission tool to > capture the authors' own statement of which WGs the draft is relevant for. In xml2rfc, you can have multiple XXX entries. Brian > > This would of course only give us information going forward from the deployment > of that fix, but it would be much more definitive information that the current > convention provides. > > Something for the next sprint? > > Best regards, > > Henrik > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From olau@iola.dk Thu Mar 14 03:36:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3E521F8F17 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:36:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.178 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.178 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ryjEimB1yK6Q for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F6921F8F0C for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id ia10so220240vcb.8 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:36:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=G0OFq8tZ/st2Gb889DbRd2xTDCxoEGVvn/PhoYppzQ8=; b=FZKVC4G77kGSJxmmkXWnjbT6KVMnowok7mz8gxLzEMtLxdmX+R2W0vEc2cly9KlVNV pt3LNazUa4u8p3u7YFtiygUmkKv+pO1aUgIpdrVHjxYxYeVBxU/7IYEGKh93cY0nlX3p qn0/ZSnlTXNUJVeAQ5g/leR4OZrXlstwMv/K70qGF+2ZqpbgSMQU35Kl1Ct+lGMm826r 4R045ul+SC5qXI/Hffk3Zxkqj62v4KevYpLpx55CsAyUGQEEkfSirT6gGW51ML5cxcP8 b2X8Cw+atK4Jpvb8wehEBTgzoKiOf0ElpEKFv8NhnHpFkj16apAwoBrVToUXTsjHUvcC OL0Q== X-Received: by 10.220.80.131 with SMTP id t3mr832393vck.31.1363257361155; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:36:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.96.79 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:35:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ole Laursen Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:35:41 +0100 Message-ID: To: "Eggert, Lars" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnKfvf6DJUC2VeFFJUie/pTnE6exDKVNEgByMssiRpTqEixZHL0UNdne1rM7EjgtmmDk7H4 Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] datatracker chairs extensions not working for IRTF RG chairs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:36:02 -0000 2013/3/13 Eggert, Lars : > I had an IRTF RG chair confirm that they still cannot use the datatracker extensions for chairs. > > Ole, I think folks during the RFC Editor lunch today said that you were the correct person to look into that? tl;dr version: the new schema makes this relatively straightforward but we're not there yet Longer summary of my understanding: The chairs extension requirements RFC only talked about WG chairs for some reason, and the contractor implementing it only made it support WG chairs. They were also still on the old database schema so it would certainly have been more difficult to do otherwise. When I ported the extension to the new schema, I switched out the models underneath so they are more generic. So the foundation is in place, but the upper layer is still framed in terms of WGs and contains WG-specific code. Right now I'm working on porting the upper layers to work directly with the new models. I'm doing this step by step with the aim of getting individual steps merged into trunk ASAP. Unfortunately, these steps to be merged are in competition with other things people are doing that needs merging so I don't think anything's been merged yet. Also, as I understand things, it's not really in my charter to change or add functionality while I'm doing this, this conflicts with getting the porting done ASAP. I do fix minor things and simplify some code, and in the case of the chairs extension I do intend to reframe it to be more generic. But I suspect there may still be some gaps of functionality that someone has to fill in for it to work for RG chairs. I did fix a bunch of other issues with RGs already, some during the DB schema project, and some during the IANA/RFC-Editor integration project so things are definitely in better shape than a year ago. 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[130.129.100.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g28sm779303bkv.17.2013.03.14.06.24.41 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Mar 2013 06:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <51418479.2010708@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:24:38 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9298B6C8-B99C-45CD-9CA4-7C7A2C1EF6FD@gmail.com> References: <09ac01ce19e0$f8e61500$eab23f00$@cisco.com> <5140C5AA.7090508@levkowetz.com> <51418479.2010708@gmail.com> To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Cc: Dan Wing , Henrik Levkowetz , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] multiple WG names in I-D filename X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:24:50 -0000 Brian, >>=20 >=20 > Yes, this seems doomed to me, since we like to use English words for = WG names > when we can. Imagine draft-wing-simple-dime-core-clue (about a simple > method of provide a clue to a core implementation of dime). Or what happens when an author's last name is the same as some working = group name :-) Bob From dwing@cisco.com Thu Mar 14 07:55:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC35B11E81F8 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:55:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JpMG0DGLP06c for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-4.cisco.com (mtv-iport-4.cisco.com [173.36.130.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5A411E819F for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:55:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2383; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1363272939; x=1364482539; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=a7qC/FelIW8/+B2C80ZFD8/220OD/GbVum/wzfDI3h0=; b=HzuKCpoTKscsxk1NXizVOFPz1YTw52/eLrl2Oc9ctsytwI6YilKZfEWM wOYt9TgYzkRRpSzVDS7DPZYOkZ0pqc8Hn8DpovqSB4yTYQa0IVeMK8Bpf TVq/hsnHyDpbZIdIcDWuuriPGyqNlaJ8045lghBI23IulnfCEKNltAFvk A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAFAJ/kQVGrRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABExHiBYhZ0gioBAQEDAQEBATc0CwULCxguIQYwBhOIAgMJBQ23Pg2JVwSMRoIXMweCX2EDlHiBYItohRqDJiA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,845,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="75402523" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Mar 2013 14:55:39 +0000 Received: from sjc-vpn7-905.cisco.com (sjc-vpn7-905.cisco.com [10.21.147.137]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2EEtcWg022388; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:55:38 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Dan Wing In-Reply-To: <51418479.2010708@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:55:38 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2636B1C3-DC63-4F1D-934C-07FC37381178@cisco.com> References: <09ac01ce19e0$f8e61500$eab23f00$@cisco.com> <5140C5AA.7090508@levkowetz.com> <51418479.2010708@gmail.com> To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] multiple WG names in I-D filename X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:55:44 -0000 On Mar 14, 2013, at 4:04 AM, Brian E Carpenter = wrote: > On 13/03/2013 18:30, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Hi Dan, >>=20 >> On 2013-03-05 15:35 Dan Wing said the following: >>> Some drafts are putting multiple WG names into the filename, like >>> draft-dhesikan-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos and = draft-thomson-mmusic-rtcweb-bw-consent. >>> But I noticed that the Tools status page only notices the first WG = name that >>> appears in the draft, that is, https://tools.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb = doesn't show >>> either of those draft I-Ds, whereas https://tools.ietf.org/wg/tsvwg = and >>> https://tools.ietf.org/wg/mmusic show the drafts. >>>=20 >>> It seems valuable if we could have the tools status page show drafts = for >>> each WG, until there is a non-matching WG name in the draft. = Thoughts? If >>> so, I can figure out how to open a bug to see if anyone wants to add = this >>> functionality. >>=20 >> I used to do a simplified version of this on tools (basically not = restricting >> the matches to the third name component) but had to give up on that = when >> the WG 'core' came along, as the number of false hits for that WG was = - eh - >> a bit excessive. >=20 > Yes, this seems doomed to me, since we like to use English words for = WG names > when we can. Imagine draft-wing-simple-dime-core-clue (about a simple > method of provide a clue to a core implementation of dime). >=20 >>=20 >> An alternative way forward might be to modify the draft submission = tool to >> capture the authors' own statement of which WGs the draft is relevant = for. >=20 > In xml2rfc, you can have multiple XXX entries. That seems suitable. -d > Brian >=20 >>=20 >> This would of course only give us information going forward from the = deployment >> of that fix, but it would be much more definitive information that = the current >> convention provides. >>=20 >> Something for the next sprint? >>=20 >> Best regards, >>=20 >> Henrik >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From dwing@cisco.com Thu Mar 14 07:56:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9573411E8204 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:56:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vv0z1B-Doy9O for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-3.cisco.com (mtv-iport-3.cisco.com [173.36.130.14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC4011E81AC for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:56:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=677; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1363272987; x=1364482587; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=J1vCZw7Sr9yUyJaRHdiUkwghBBzlkq9G6zU0BUwqEtE=; b=TeKD4yZSRKUuM16DQWZt9moZCUbVcGo3ARd8pQzu1sQyPMuoOPYzQSLB Zrk6ElJSCkh77sCcZRfearJKuv6Vrif9vKVSYb8azMzNBZWHMj9TC9QvS rkcp93ejmbzJJHnO8MCKWhT0nQF2RKG5uWVIGh+Ze4v929noO3CWSa8fF 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AisFAFrjQVGrRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABEh2O9FYFiFnSCKgEBAQMBAQEBNzQLBQsLRiEGMAYTiAIDCQUNtzkNiVcEjEaCFzMHgl9hA5R4gWCLaIUagyYg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,845,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="72900676" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Mar 2013 14:56:26 +0000 Received: from sjc-vpn7-905.cisco.com (sjc-vpn7-905.cisco.com [10.21.147.137]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2EEtcWh022388; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:56:26 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Dan Wing In-Reply-To: <9298B6C8-B99C-45CD-9CA4-7C7A2C1EF6FD@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:56:26 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6949BE04-B063-490B-B2DE-91B798B776BE@cisco.com> References: <09ac01ce19e0$f8e61500$eab23f00$@cisco.com> <5140C5AA.7090508@levkowetz.com> <51418479.2010708@gmail.com> <9298B6C8-B99C-45CD-9CA4-7C7A2C1EF6FD@gmail.com> To: Bob Hinden X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] multiple WG names in I-D filename X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:56:31 -0000 On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Brian, >=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> Yes, this seems doomed to me, since we like to use English words for = WG names >> when we can. Imagine draft-wing-simple-dime-core-clue (about a simple >> method of provide a clue to a core implementation of dime). >=20 > Or what happens when an author's last name is the same as some working = group name :-) I'm going to change my last name to 'Ietf'. -d >=20 > Bob >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From bob.hinden@gmail.com Thu Mar 14 08:00:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E5711E8223 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:00:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hE0Cm1ohkDoV for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-x234.google.com (mail-bk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::234]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B3211E820E for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f52.google.com with SMTP id jk13so1054638bkc.11 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:00:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=TsLW9hCLkJb6fRDuVHufM0885tjxvYdSbJ5QO8q3OTA=; b=upqtAzn8YzCR/qbWVdTSIzYTaMml3AFUzebdUTfHC/D3kHwJS0SLbX3joo3ozXHG1J j0/q0S4ZlS065igM+qMRstWglZBeavjnuIDHYVjFQIpGK4XX2pa/TcoZHSijvH1HwXXE uqfp6CMwmT5uogTUVldrumlTtXlaKao2N+Qm7A/sqvsTH3CRPYe4BKThCGQW29nF4HWM Gs0VmF6BTqmOlFRLkaA9dqNNfo27G/B8ojfc8NN3jLlMm+Pfaw/G+gpiLdM/PvnvglFj qvIuYFdOpdEoHsXPhDgdqQeOnkCqcBccfWIBYYCVRAAd6FhuWRYctDpWGCuU6DCCJE73 kIUg== X-Received: by 10.205.34.195 with SMTP id st3mr1566255bkb.16.1363273214753; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-6422.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-6422.meeting.ietf.org. [130.129.100.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s10sm884273bkt.10.2013.03.14.08.00.10 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <6949BE04-B063-490B-B2DE-91B798B776BE@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:00:07 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <09ac01ce19e0$f8e61500$eab23f00$@cisco.com> <5140C5AA.7090508@levkowetz.com> <51418479.2010708@gmail.com> <9298B6C8-B99C-45CD-9CA4-7C7A2C1EF6FD@gmail.com> <6949BE04-B063-490B-B2DE-91B798B776BE@cisco.com> To: Dan Wing X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] multiple WG names in I-D filename X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 15:00:35 -0000 On Mar 14, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Dan Wing wrote: >=20 > On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: >=20 >> Brian, >>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Yes, this seems doomed to me, since we like to use English words for = WG names >>> when we can. Imagine draft-wing-simple-dime-core-clue (about a = simple >>> method of provide a clue to a core implementation of dime). >>=20 >> Or what happens when an author's last name is the same as some = working group name :-) >=20 > I'm going to change my last name to 'Ietf'. or "Iab" Or start the "Worldwide Internet Networking Graphs" working group! Bob >=20 > -d >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> Bob >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 From housley@vigilsec.com Thu Mar 14 11:09:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B852021F8DE9 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:09:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.650, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a4x7cROHZqz9 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D58821F8DDA for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0868F9A4090 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:09:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J+FGaRn8tSqH for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dhcp-5419.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-5419.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.84.25]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80C49A408B for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:09:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:09:13 -0400 Message-Id: <98A8A7FE-2AFA-465E-80B0-40A55F5B6D39@vigilsec.com> To: Tools Team Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Tools Call Scheduled for April 17th X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:09:18 -0000 The next tools call scheduled for April 17th. I'm already totally = booked that day. If everyone else can make it, please do not move it. = However, if many others have a problem with this date, delaying a week = would solve the problem for me. Russ From bob.hinden@gmail.com Thu Mar 14 12:30:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D5811E812B for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:30:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iPAKwTOjnU5i for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-x22b.google.com (mail-bk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::22b]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DE611E80BF for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f43.google.com with SMTP id jm19so1191117bkc.2 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:30:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=1QzeLgBHjGIkMkcsn0ag6mxDYz4ozZkdLpzXSUI/2gQ=; b=e1Fu4Pib3NWOlyFVgcAf7JUd3C0zaAK/dmXjZjBn3cbJGdqq7v1BkBN2RJMDxUT/0J 7LjuRCoc++N5jSaRyYxpjtUff+HpVyEQ+VMoJRiqM4I31PAA/wD2tiEVrQlZ4PgV8wBm dDFuBk042IkacJ5XGHNivYa7/WQjKlLeflwMraFCPp+R05jn9WF9S4EcBfXdQ8JgJCLU kHHsoWrCvW3Ly7ttZI6NuG5SyqRQVS76JmCncG5Fo0O/XYayrflxo+MSv6QneqEd9opi WQQWtK4eybS2nnzCtvYu2S1Ku0Lv5ve4ID3KX7iEQSA7qAgS9vPOFOYsJlrbiM16wp9e 3DXQ== X-Received: by 10.205.32.208 with SMTP id sl16mr2040476bkb.27.1363289422511; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:df8::96:f50a:1110:a87d:713f? ([2001:df8:0:96:f50a:1110:a87d:713f]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g28sm1110668bkv.17.2013.03.14.12.30.19 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <98A8A7FE-2AFA-465E-80B0-40A55F5B6D39@vigilsec.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 15:30:16 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <98A8A7FE-2AFA-465E-80B0-40A55F5B6D39@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Tools Call Scheduled for April 17th X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:30:24 -0000 I can't make the 17th either. Bob On Mar 14, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > The next tools call scheduled for April 17th. I'm already totally = booked that day. If everyone else can make it, please do not move it. = However, if many others have a problem with this date, delaying a week = would solve the problem for me. >=20 > Russ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From pusateri@bangj.com Thu Mar 14 13:56:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033BA11E81FE for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:56:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.735 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.735 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5yQlvd8q5yYl for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61E211E81F0 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.43.215.79] (unknown [72.253.78.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF6DC116E1; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:56:15 -1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0E074253-AF8A-4413-B4DC-DD1A73DAC330@bangj.com> References: <75E6AACE-0684-4645-92E9-1572F0B6358E@bangj.com> To: Bjoern Hoehrmann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] raw jabber logs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:56:22 -0000 On Mar 13, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: > * Tom Pusateri wrote: >> I found the HTML-ized version of the jabber logs at=20 >> http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs >=20 > There used to be http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/xmpp/ plain text = files > as the only logs, but apparently that has changed. It seems easy = though > to turn the HTML files into plain text, it's mostly a template plus = some > formatting elements. There's not enough information in the HTML message or I would just parse = that. The original XML would be ideal. Anyone know who archives this so = I can request the original XML stream? Thanks, Tom From stpeter@stpeter.im Thu Mar 14 15:15:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E4521F9069 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 15:15:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vyETdQSnqoCd for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 15:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D120421F8F81 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 15:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.84.195] (unknown [130.129.84.195]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E000640C1F; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:23:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <51424BEB.1020601@stpeter.im> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:15:07 -0400 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Pusateri References: <75E6AACE-0684-4645-92E9-1572F0B6358E@bangj.com> <0E074253-AF8A-4413-B4DC-DD1A73DAC330@bangj.com> In-Reply-To: <0E074253-AF8A-4413-B4DC-DD1A73DAC330@bangj.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Bjoern Hoehrmann , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] raw jabber logs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:15:01 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 3/14/13 4:56 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: > > On Mar 13, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann > wrote: > >> * Tom Pusateri wrote: >>> I found the HTML-ized version of the jabber logs at >>> http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs >> >> There used to be http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/xmpp/ plain text >> files as the only logs, but apparently that has changed. It seems >> easy though to turn the HTML files into plain text, it's mostly a >> template plus some formatting elements. > > There's not enough information in the HTML message or I would just > parse that. The original XML would be ideal. Anyone know who > archives this so I can request the original XML stream? As I understand it, the Secretariat runs the ejabberd XMPP server, and IIRC ejabberd can provide logs in XML format. See for instance: http://www.ejabberd.im/mod_muc_log_xml I don't know if the Secretariat has that module enabled. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRQkvqAAoJEOoGpJErxa2pi9MQAJQxsG/8Ic5YDRBBrUk0lQzk 77N7Usnb0ZdFE3c3w7uXrX74x3oS+fDQAX34dfNadFqHs+fY5VhwTXccTCFrd8cj x7BlEHn+Ld13kAQHQPT3R3aqaZUFXg5ysO501PodNUq9PHu/xDr1nmCXHszNP4Qg WCc7dykYUwfnRHAt4v6MR008oq05iZPm7ig4RIPYdFu+BGkI0UPzef8aIviwmK/E yOZly1ZuPQ9rFqrIbtQaBz82dum9iWZpMh6q/RLuB+GTZTFA8QTnDTo/tfyqv+N+ 9QGIOPpxebg1MhHxijwkd9/1jTGIuLrXYHPI1N+XMJKYypg9ngaqmY2oBExVfn9v z+lo9acIYwiCrPHCgOZclc5mQT18/zPtBgnBWfzmzniNhPpKxxNkWIJpj5Odgn3N 2g1bm0kGTf57aU/rH/sIEGOTExKYQ/+94DLI7UYWr6XMNI05R8uSLPPZypVVDDcw WIEND1xfSqUjqi/DLDXovLVX+QVYCajR3TyFwxImnE3KZrYSGDT8frdWhsr75Q+Z C4f/HsSANCBdv4tJMF+qYGgeF9hOnUmGXiX90NsznuY7LL1oL+2fkfeTuAXGQYW0 wpmfnBtj5LU+SqxkXfN2B1a0GiZeOQFlGlbuyckZYHR5BJK8Vb72GWMIsl01w9Kw NidC5sMYcJvgfgVU4nu8 =xVuh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pusateri@bangj.com Thu Mar 14 16:36:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0740C11E8143 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:36:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.735 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.735 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0PF0G5ywmgQ4 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8D311E80E7 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.102.30.10] (mobile-166-137-179-051.mycingular.net [166.137.179.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED65811706; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:36:01 -0400 (EDT) References: <75E6AACE-0684-4645-92E9-1572F0B6358E@bangj.com> <0E074253-AF8A-4413-B4DC-DD1A73DAC330@bangj.com> <51424BEB.1020601@stpeter.im> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <51424BEB.1020601@stpeter.im> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B146) From: Tom Pusateri Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:36:10 -1000 To: Peter Saint-Andre Cc: Bjoern Hoehrmann , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] raw jabber logs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:36:21 -0000 Thanks. It sounds like its either one or the other but not both. Tom On Mar 14, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 3/14/13 4:56 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >> >> On Mar 13, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann >> wrote: >> >>> * Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>> I found the HTML-ized version of the jabber logs at >>>> http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs >>> >>> There used to be http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/xmpp/ plain text >>> files as the only logs, but apparently that has changed. It seems >>> easy though to turn the HTML files into plain text, it's mostly a >>> template plus some formatting elements. >> >> There's not enough information in the HTML message or I would just >> parse that. The original XML would be ideal. Anyone know who >> archives this so I can request the original XML stream? > > As I understand it, the Secretariat runs the ejabberd XMPP server, and > IIRC ejabberd can provide logs in XML format. See for instance: > > http://www.ejabberd.im/mod_muc_log_xml > > I don't know if the Secretariat has that module enabled. > > Peter > > - -- > Peter Saint-Andre > https://stpeter.im/ > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRQkvqAAoJEOoGpJErxa2pi9MQAJQxsG/8Ic5YDRBBrUk0lQzk > 77N7Usnb0ZdFE3c3w7uXrX74x3oS+fDQAX34dfNadFqHs+fY5VhwTXccTCFrd8cj > x7BlEHn+Ld13kAQHQPT3R3aqaZUFXg5ysO501PodNUq9PHu/xDr1nmCXHszNP4Qg > WCc7dykYUwfnRHAt4v6MR008oq05iZPm7ig4RIPYdFu+BGkI0UPzef8aIviwmK/E > yOZly1ZuPQ9rFqrIbtQaBz82dum9iWZpMh6q/RLuB+GTZTFA8QTnDTo/tfyqv+N+ > 9QGIOPpxebg1MhHxijwkd9/1jTGIuLrXYHPI1N+XMJKYypg9ngaqmY2oBExVfn9v > z+lo9acIYwiCrPHCgOZclc5mQT18/zPtBgnBWfzmzniNhPpKxxNkWIJpj5Odgn3N > 2g1bm0kGTf57aU/rH/sIEGOTExKYQ/+94DLI7UYWr6XMNI05R8uSLPPZypVVDDcw > WIEND1xfSqUjqi/DLDXovLVX+QVYCajR3TyFwxImnE3KZrYSGDT8frdWhsr75Q+Z > C4f/HsSANCBdv4tJMF+qYGgeF9hOnUmGXiX90NsznuY7LL1oL+2fkfeTuAXGQYW0 > wpmfnBtj5LU+SqxkXfN2B1a0GiZeOQFlGlbuyckZYHR5BJK8Vb72GWMIsl01w9Kw > NidC5sMYcJvgfgVU4nu8 > =xVuh > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sob@sobco.com Fri Mar 15 07:22:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B8321F8862 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 07:22:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eZ0Dl1Pj5xG2 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 07:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sobco.sobco.com (unknown [136.248.127.164]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFD321F8860 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 07:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sobco.sobco.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B5825802C; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:51:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sobco.com Received: from sobco.sobco.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sobco.sobco.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IvHZflQyd9NU; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.11] (unknown [173.166.5.69]) by sobco.sobco.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A7DB25801F; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Scott O Bradner In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:51:02 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <98A8A7FE-2AFA-465E-80B0-40A55F5B6D39@vigilsec.com> To: Bob Hinden X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: Russ Housley , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Tools Call Scheduled for April 17th X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:22:55 -0000 I will be in a plane on the way back from China - so I can't make it = either Scott On Mar 14, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > I can't make the 17th either. >=20 > Bob >=20 >=20 > On Mar 14, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >=20 >> The next tools call scheduled for April 17th. I'm already totally = booked that day. If everyone else can make it, please do not move it. = However, if many others have a problem with this date, delaying a week = would solve the problem for me. >>=20 >> Russ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie Fri Mar 15 09:37:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC60A21F8801 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:37:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.512 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C85Gu2K9QXy0 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5988321F87FB for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BEDBE68 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:37:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tWYUn6MWXUiX for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:37:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [130.129.96.60] (dhcp-603c.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.96.60]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B1E62BE6D for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:37:03 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <51434E2E.8010900@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:37:02 +0000 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130221 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] are IPR links on tools page working? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:37:29 -0000 Hi, I was looking at [1] just now but there's no IPR link on that page, though there have been declarations on earlier versions [2] that can be found via the tracker [3]. That seems odd, Thanks, S. [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dthakore-tls-authz-03 [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=document_search&id_document_tag=draft-dthakore-tls-authz [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dthakore-tls-authz/ From martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com Fri Mar 15 15:36:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE43421F8576 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:36:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C5vRjJODUi5P for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [135.245.0.33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCFF21F856C for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 15:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70tusmtp2.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (h135-5-2-64.lucent.com [135.5.2.64]) by ihemail1.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id r2FMaRIw028855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:36:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.48]) by us70tusmtp2.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id r2FMZODO018761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:36:27 -0400 Received: from FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.74) by US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (135.5.2.48) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.247.3; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:35:52 -0400 Received: from FR712WXCHMBA09.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.5.46]) by FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.74]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:35:51 +0100 From: "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" To: Stephen Farrell , "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] are IPR links on tools page working? Thread-Index: AQHOIZto0dQ4A7sYY0+QRIVgkT3gvJinV61H Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:35:50 +0000 Message-ID: References: <51434E2E.8010900@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: <51434E2E.8010900@cs.tcd.ie> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_FEA27CFACBAF3A429E381E6FD69CDC73040699FR712WXCHMBA09zeu_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.33 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] are IPR links on tools page working? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:36:35 -0000 --_000_FEA27CFACBAF3A429E381E6FD69CDC73040699FR712WXCHMBA09zeu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stephen, I think this is the case for all drafts. As the technology element which is covered by the patent may be taken out o= f a draft at some point in time of its evolution, this could make sense. -m ________________________________ De : Stephen Farrell Envoy=E9 : 15/03/2013 12:37 =C0 : tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion Objet : [Tools-discuss] are IPR links on tools page working? Hi, I was looking at [1] just now but there's no IPR link on that page, though there have been declarations on earlier versions [2] that can be found via the tracker [3]. That seems odd, Thanks, S. [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dthakore-tls-authz-03 [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&id_docume= nt_tag=3Ddraft-dthakore-tls-authz [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dthakore-tls-authz/ _______________________________________________ Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --_000_FEA27CFACBAF3A429E381E6FD69CDC73040699FR712WXCHMBA09zeu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stephen,

I think this is the case for all drafts.
As the technology element which is covered by the patent may be taken out o= f a draft at some point in time of its evolution, this could make sense.
-m
De : Stephe= n Farrell
Envoy=E9 : 15/03/= 2013 12:37
=C0 : tools-= discuss@ietf.org Discussion
Objet : [Tools= -discuss] are IPR links on tools page working?


Hi,

I was looking at [1] just now but there's no IPR link on that
page, though there have been declarations on earlier versions [2]
that can be found via the tracker [3].

That seems odd,
Thanks,
S.

[1] http= ://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dthakore-tls-authz-03
[2]
https://datatracker.ietf.= org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&id_document_tag=3Ddraft-dthako= re-tls-authz
[3] = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dthakore-tls-authz/
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 --_000_FEA27CFACBAF3A429E381E6FD69CDC73040699FR712WXCHMBA09zeu_-- From stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie Fri Mar 15 16:51:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FD711E80F7 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:51:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.531 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.531 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ud6eC4gLptJB for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D4F21F8749 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id C632CBE70; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:51:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kBYjI1P1gB8t; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:51:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [130.129.129.49] (unknown [130.129.129.49]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C804BE6E; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:51:21 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <5143B3E8.5050903@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:51:04 +0000 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130221 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN)" References: <51434E2E.8010900@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] are IPR links on tools page working? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:51:46 -0000 On 03/15/2013 10:35 PM, VIGOUREUX, MARTIN (MARTIN) wrote: > Stephen, > > I think this is the case for all drafts. > As the technology element which is covered by the patent may be taken out of a draft at some point in time of its evolution, this could make sense. Hmm... I thought the tools page did put in a link in any case. In this case, the declaration was directly on this version of the draft. I'm not objecting though, the information is there if one knows to look. S > -m > ________________________________ > De : Stephen Farrell > Envoyé : 15/03/2013 12:37 > À : tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion > Objet : [Tools-discuss] are IPR links on tools page working? > > > Hi, > > I was looking at [1] just now but there's no IPR link on that > page, though there have been declarations on earlier versions [2] > that can be found via the tracker [3]. > > That seems odd, > Thanks, > S. > > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dthakore-tls-authz-03 > [2] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=document_search&id_document_tag=draft-dthakore-tls-authz > [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dthakore-tls-authz/ > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca Wed Mar 20 11:45:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB7E11E80D1; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:45:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.301, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HeE29qnWoR-1; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D5111E80A6; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h111.viagenie.ca (h111.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.111]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1C34940334; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Blanchet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5F4BD191-337A-4946-A09A-56EB6D70BBDC" Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:44:35 -0400 References: To: Tools discussion , wgchairs@ietf.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Request for IETF WG and BOF Session Minutes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:45:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5F4BD191-337A-4946-A09A-56EB6D70BBDC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello, we, wg chairs, have been slow to provide minutes. There are various = ways to do minutes. I like a lot collective minutes done in etherpad. = They are "almost" ready by the end of meeting (unless you want a = different style of minutes). Just need a short review. Here is a proposal, that may include some (probably minimal) tool work: 1) at the end of each meeting, if the wg etherpad contains more than 500 = characters, then it is considered potential minutes. 2) after one week, an automated tool takes this etherpad and put it into = meeting materials as wg minutes and send an email to the wg chairs and = wg mailing list saying what it did. 3) wg chairs can always push another version, since they will have an = opportunity. 4) at the cutoff for proceedings, they become official minutes. It is an opt-in, and has a way to modify if necessary. Marc.=20 D=E9but du message r=E9exp=E9di=E9 : > De : Ashlee Parsons > Objet : Request for IETF WG and BOF Session Minutes > Date : 20 mars 2013 14:02:36 HAE > =C0 : wgchairs@ietf.org > Cc: irsg@irtf.org >=20 >> Dear WG Chairs and BOF Chairs, >> =20 >> I am in the process of compiling the proceedings for IETF 86 and we = are still missing meeting minutes from various sessions. The cutoff for = submissions is Friday, April 12th, 2013, and correction submissions = cutoff is Wednesday, May 1st, 2013. Please upload meeting minutes, as = well as any presentations from your sessions, at your earliest = convenience using the Meeting Materials Manager found here: = https://pub.ietf.org/proceedings/. Alternatively, you are welcome to = send them to proceedings@ietf.org or aparsons@amsl.com for manual = posting. >=20 > Groups I still need minutes from are: >=20 > Application Area: > - AGGSRV > - CORE > - HTTPBIS > - JSON > - PAWS > =20 > General Area: > - HISTORY BOF > - IPRBIS BOF >=20 > Internet Area: > - 6MAN > - DHC > - HOMENET > - INTAREA > - LISP > - LWIG > - NTP > - PCP > - SOFTWIRE > - TICTOC > - TRILL >=20 > Operations & Management Area: > - NETCONF > - NETMOD > - OPSANWB > - OPSEC > - V6OPS > - WPKOPS >=20 > Real-Time Applications & Infrastructure Area: > - AVTCORE > - AVTEXT > - ECRIT > - INSIPID > - MMUSIC > - RTCWEB > - XMPP >=20 > Routing Area: > - CCAMP > - FORCES > - I2RS > - IDR > - ISIS > - L2VPN > - L3VPN > - MPLS > - NVO3 > - OSPF > - PCE > - PIM > - ROLL > - RTGWG > - SIDR >=20 > Security Area: > - HTTPAUTH > - JOSE > - KITTEN > - SAAG > - TLS >=20 > Transport Area: > - ALTO > - CDNI > - MPTCP > - NFSV4 > - PPSP > - RMCAT >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/86/materials.html >=20 >=20 >=20 > Ashlee Parsons > IETF Registrar > 48377 Fremont Blvd, Ste. 117 > Fremont, CA 94538 >=20 > Association Management Solutions (AMS) > Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning > www.amsl.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_5F4BD191-337A-4946-A09A-56EB6D70BBDC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

Here is a proposal, that may include some = (probably minimal) tool work:
1) at the end of each meeting, = if the wg etherpad contains more than 500 characters, then it is = considered potential minutes.
2) after one week, an automated = tool takes this etherpad and put it into meeting materials as wg minutes = and send an email to the wg chairs and wg mailing list saying what it = did.
3) wg chairs can always push another version, since they = will have an opportunity.
4) at the cutoff for proceedings, = they become official minutes.

It is an opt-in, = and has a way to modify if = necessary.

Marc. 

D=E9but = du message r=E9exp=E9di=E9 :

De : Ashlee Parsons = <aparsons@amsl.com>
Objet : Request for IETF = WG and BOF Session Minutes
Date : 20 mars 2013 14:02:36 HAE
Cc: irsg@irtf.org

Dear WG Chairs and BOF = Chairs,
 
I am in the process of = compiling the proceedings for IETF 86 and we are still missing meeting = minutes from various sessions. The cutoff for submissions is = Friday, April 12th, 2013.  Please upload meeting minutes, as well as = any presentations from your sessions, at your earliest convenience using = the Meeting Materials Manager found here: .  Alternatively, you = are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org or aparsons@amsl.com for manual = posting.

Groups I still = need minutes from are:

Application = Area:
= - AGGSRV
- CORE
- = HTTPBIS
- JSON
- = PAWS
 
General Area:
- HISTORY = BOF
= - IPRBIS BOF

Internet = Area:
= - 6MAN
- DHC
- = HOMENET
- INTAREA
- = LISP
= - LWIG
- NTP
- = PCP
= - SOFTWIRE
- TICTOC
- = TRILL

Operations & Management = Area:
= - NETCONF
- NETMOD
- = OPSANWB
- OPSEC
- = V6OPS
= - WPKOPS

Real-Time Applications & = Infrastructure Area:
- AVTCORE
- = AVTEXT
= - ECRIT
- INSIPID
- = MMUSIC
= - RTCWEB
- = XMPP

Routing Area:
- = CCAMP
= - FORCES
- I2RS
- = IDR
= - ISIS
- L2VPN
- = L3VPN
= - MPLS
- NVO3
- = OSPF
= - PCE
- PIM
- = ROLL
= - RTGWG
- = SIDR

Security Area:
- = HTTPAUTH
- JOSE
- = KITTEN
= - SAAG
- = TLS

Transport Area:
- = ALTO
= - CDNI
- MPTCP
- = NFSV4
= - PPSP
- = RMCAT

www.amsl.com





= --Apple-Mail=_5F4BD191-337A-4946-A09A-56EB6D70BBDC-- From Ted.Lemon@nominum.com Wed Mar 20 13:23:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C7121F8AB7; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:23:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.585 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.585 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iLwmBtAOjNUw; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og114.obsmtp.com (exprod7og114.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.215]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AFE21F8AAC; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com ([64.89.228.229]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob114.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUUoavGiUdMIcNmp9gj4Af/y1BJFPBvCl@postini.com; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:23:24 PDT Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F061B8741; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-01.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D06C119005C; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:23:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ted.Lemon@nominum.com) Received: from MBX-01.WIN.NOMINUM.COM ([64.89.228.133]) by CAS-01.WIN.NOMINUM.COM ([64.89.228.131]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:23:24 -0700 From: Ted Lemon To: Marc Blanchet Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Request for IETF WG and BOF Session Minutes Thread-Index: AQHOJZZNL9NzqCl6rUOWmKy/7S2iXZiu6u4ygACQxgA= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:23:23 +0000 Message-ID: <8D23D4052ABE7A4490E77B1A012B630775117B16@mbx-01.win.nominum.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.1.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "" , Tools discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Request for IETF WG and BOF Session Minutes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:23:27 -0000 On Mar 20, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Marc Blanchet wrot= e: > 1) at the end of each meeting, if the wg etherpad contains more than 500 = characters, then it is considered potential minutes. > 2) after one week, an automated tool takes this etherpad and put it into = meeting materials as wg minutes and send an email to the wg chairs and wg m= ailing list saying what it did. > 3) wg chairs can always push another version, since they will have an opp= ortunity. > 4) at the cutoff for proceedings, they become official minutes. This seems like it would produce more bad results than good results: if the= minutes in etherpad are decent, why wouldn't the working group chairs just= take action to make those the working group meeting minutes? And if the = minutes aren't good enough for the working group chairs to affirm them deli= berately, don't we _want_ the working group chairs to feel a bit of pressur= e to do something better? From br@brianrosen.net Wed Mar 20 13:26:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981F811E8127; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:26:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.471, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uMCeYVC6d+2y; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mm2.idig.net (raphotoclub.ca [70.33.247.99]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D430511E8114; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:26:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=brianrosen.net; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=3lmfeTIzhyqxLIr6SJH7ZXqr9e/hmNbA/6JRqo3PRug=; b=W/thWyC9ukiAEzbRBcslXn2Y3r1AhPetIaGssPU5r6CYF7m4z78SZnMJc47RchNUcYV/Nj3h+hmcB3sJdd5g1Qk6LgLEToby4CRW6dIYCriNLzmzSXZkWiXrvDz1cCllswqU5boXBv6R+Dhx67N3gKx1n45bKNv8Yu7SW9o8cYs=; Received: from neustargw.va.neustar.com ([209.173.53.233]:19001 helo=[10.33.184.25]) by mm2.idig.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UIPaj-0002gm-JH; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:26:33 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) From: Brian Rosen In-Reply-To: <8D23D4052ABE7A4490E77B1A012B630775117B16@mbx-01.win.nominum.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:26:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8D23D4052ABE7A4490E77B1A012B630775117B16@mbx-01.win.nominum.com> To: Ted Lemon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mm2.idig.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianrosen.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: mm2.idig.net: authenticated_id: br@brianrosen.net Cc: Tools discussion , "" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Request for IETF WG and BOF Session Minutes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:26:35 -0000 Pretty much agree with this, although a one click upload from Etherpad = to meeting materials manager would be nice. Brian On Mar 20, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Mar 20, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Marc Blanchet = wrote: >> 1) at the end of each meeting, if the wg etherpad contains more than = 500 characters, then it is considered potential minutes. >> 2) after one week, an automated tool takes this etherpad and put it = into meeting materials as wg minutes and send an email to the wg chairs = and wg mailing list saying what it did. >> 3) wg chairs can always push another version, since they will have an = opportunity. >> 4) at the cutoff for proceedings, they become official minutes. >=20 > This seems like it would produce more bad results than good results: = if the minutes in etherpad are decent, why wouldn't the working group = chairs just take action to make those the working group meeting minutes? = And if the minutes aren't good enough for the working group chairs to = affirm them deliberately, don't we _want_ the working group chairs to = feel a bit of pressure to do something better? >=20 From Ted.Lemon@nominum.com Wed Mar 20 13:32:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6B01F0D07; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.585 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.585 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FSoPP-7am0mb; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og124.obsmtp.com (exprod7og124.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.26]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696931F0C36; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com ([64.89.228.229]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob124.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUUoczyX2Gof86NWROXRg2gAOsEMQ7Mk8@postini.com; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:32:23 PDT Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C70F1B8741; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-02.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2622619005C; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ted.Lemon@nominum.com) Received: from MBX-01.WIN.NOMINUM.COM ([64.89.228.133]) by CAS-02.WIN.NOMINUM.COM ([64.89.228.132]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:32:13 -0700 From: Ted Lemon To: Brian Rosen Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Request for IETF WG and BOF Session Minutes Thread-Index: AQHOJak4ferVA0mi00uUGnQMK+6Px5ivfgYA Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:32:13 +0000 Message-ID: <8D23D4052ABE7A4490E77B1A012B630775117BDC@mbx-01.win.nominum.com> References: <8D23D4052ABE7A4490E77B1A012B630775117B16@mbx-01.win.nominum.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.1.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <32D74B44FBF4C54BBA28A1F03A78B61A@nominum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Tools discussion , "" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Request for IETF WG and BOF Session Minutes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:32:23 -0000 On Mar 20, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Brian Rosen wrote: > Pretty much agree with this, although a one click upload from Etherpad to= meeting materials manager would be nice. Agreed. 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[2.101.189.49]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm3251251wij.2.2013.03.21.01.34.31 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 01:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <514AC623.2080706@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:34:43 +0000 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Lemon References: <8D23D4052ABE7A4490E77B1A012B630775117B16@mbx-01.win.nominum.com> In-Reply-To: <8D23D4052ABE7A4490E77B1A012B630775117B16@mbx-01.win.nominum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tools discussion , "" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Request for IETF WG and BOF Session Minutes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:34:35 -0000 On 20/03/2013 20:23, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Mar 20, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Marc Blanchet wrote: >> 1) at the end of each meeting, if the wg etherpad contains more than 500 characters, then it is considered potential minutes. >> 2) after one week, an automated tool takes this etherpad and put it into meeting materials as wg minutes and send an email to the wg chairs and wg mailing list saying what it did. >> 3) wg chairs can always push another version, since they will have an opportunity. >> 4) at the cutoff for proceedings, they become official minutes. > > This seems like it would produce more bad results than good results Definitely. A rough transcript is not the same things as minutes. Minutes are supposed to be a comprehensible summary of points made and conclusions reached. There is no easy way to produce good minutes; it's hard work. Brian From bob.hinden@gmail.com Thu Mar 21 02:43:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766D921F856C; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:43:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x0tkyCQqO4my; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com (mail-ve0-f169.google.com [209.85.128.169]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA1321F854E; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 15so2270967vea.28 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:43:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=i+XkQmqMV5ZkasnoxS8lExbVEHX2Wh3+X/8G0UlDcbQ=; b=X8EmVIIfyYRak47kJIumNG8+FgD378D4RP5W2V2Abel0iwLDdPzSRUF5ddseZlBoGA Hd5DVPmsXFOdbRsK+rq9UaW+MBcBBzjqnLE3j7R6pDwMwfQGdRkTUr1h0zify5VOut/H /PrhLQ6b4lJJq8JptKskKUD0c8xzDECrVmv6y1btwv9GZhrD+WEGePk2cPp9qN2dOkqI EaRtdjWwhekU8sXe3ykqNfzHJ5lyoQxZ+1UpIhmePfBbT+V8CEwKn8Of5OIWSqV52nKW Th9HeNHpo+0VGcCTLL6gnDqWvgWhDvNuN6ifO/vHY27HeazJ6DLKXUqrVDPiFEBuk4mF fqcA== X-Received: by 10.58.4.226 with SMTP id n2mr11954618ven.58.1363859024828; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:920:7000:101:cc74:d3f0:4f61:b19d? ([2001:920:7000:101:cc74:d3f0:4f61:b19d]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i17sm40162759vdj.1.2013.03.21.02.43.42 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <514AC623.2080706@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:43:40 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8D23D4052ABE7A4490E77B1A012B630775117B16@mbx-01.win.nominum.com> <514AC623.2080706@gmail.com> To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Cc: "" , Tools discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Request for IETF WG and BOF Session Minutes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:43:49 -0000 On Mar 21, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 20/03/2013 20:23, Ted Lemon wrote: >> On Mar 20, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Marc Blanchet = wrote: >>> 1) at the end of each meeting, if the wg etherpad contains more than = 500 characters, then it is considered potential minutes. >>> 2) after one week, an automated tool takes this etherpad and put it = into meeting materials as wg minutes and send an email to the wg chairs = and wg mailing list saying what it did. >>> 3) wg chairs can always push another version, since they will have = an opportunity. >>> 4) at the cutoff for proceedings, they become official minutes. >>=20 >> This seems like it would produce more bad results than good results >=20 > Definitely. A rough transcript is not the same things as minutes. > Minutes are supposed to be a comprehensible summary of points made > and conclusions reached. There is no easy way to produce good minutes; > it's hard work. That's my view as well. We have the jabber logs for a rough transcript = of the meeting. =20 If the chairs of a working group consistently don't produce minutes by = the deadline, then the ADs should get new w.g. chairs. Bob From amalis@gmail.com Thu Mar 21 02:50:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238EC21F8FF3; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:50:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sT+SK+UY85VC; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x22d.google.com (mail-ie0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B589121F857E; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 9so3278028iec.18 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:50:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=Ye1D+EiLDnbvl395Z4f/+mQLkhuuFJkHQc+kM1mGoO8=; b=uGvuDIk3lxlnGKiDw7fctlwg9F5xfaP+sL3o8HcgQ+McUekmlsiRfukFU/AmUs64NC 6V4o2BguzJHiVa30sf50ztKAe/OZ6kJzNwewezcOAvVvh/DhoFLXDY/vVEwWIJosr/it P317KcCAN41PRjn9gYT5Nd/boBc4EQxK5E3/JsLRKsbXTSWQt7EZSy4+iAG6/5pr3NgA +Kuv2ElH5vOWZ4lqVC+XaeqlmhjM9I9GO8u4ZlMpwcgLFjFLgTicsPU5NuY0Ug392q1e v/SZ65hklL/JpawRcoK7mhiifijniIGMdvj4qAzmtJlDMPbHhViR1XLIkQfF6o1N6HeG Uv3A== X-Received: by 10.50.51.131 with SMTP id k3mr1676265igo.54.1363859439289; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:50:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.177.69 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:50:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8D23D4052ABE7A4490E77B1A012B630775117B16@mbx-01.win.nominum.com> <514AC623.2080706@gmail.com> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:50:19 +0100 Message-ID: To: Bob Hinden Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340a1d6726c204d86c4526 Cc: "" , Tools discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Request for IETF WG and BOF Session Minutes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:50:41 -0000 --14dae9340a1d6726c204d86c4526 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My WG is lucky to have a WG secretary who prepares the agenda and takes the minutes. Having a stable minute-taker goes a long way to getting them done in a timely and consistent manner. I encourage other WG chairs to seek out secretaries for their WGs. Asking a colleague in your own organization can be an easy way to start. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > > On Mar 21, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > > On 20/03/2013 20:23, Ted Lemon wrote: > >> On Mar 20, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Marc Blanchet > wrote: > >>> 1) at the end of each meeting, if the wg etherpad contains more than > 500 characters, then it is considered potential minutes. > >>> 2) after one week, an automated tool takes this etherpad and put it > into meeting materials as wg minutes and send an email to the wg chairs and > wg mailing list saying what it did. > >>> 3) wg chairs can always push another version, since they will have an > opportunity. > >>> 4) at the cutoff for proceedings, they become official minutes. > >> > >> This seems like it would produce more bad results than good results > > > > Definitely. A rough transcript is not the same things as minutes. > > Minutes are supposed to be a comprehensible summary of points made > > and conclusions reached. There is no easy way to produce good minutes; > > it's hard work. > > That's my view as well. We have the jabber logs for a rough transcript of > the meeting. > > If the chairs of a working group consistently don't produce minutes by the > deadline, then the ADs should get new w.g. chairs. > > Bob > > > --14dae9340a1d6726c204d86c4526 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My WG is lucky to have a WG secretary who prepares the age= nda and takes the minutes. Having a stable minute-taker goes a long way to = getting them done in a timely and consistent manner. I encourage other WG c= hairs to seek out secretaries for their WGs. Asking a colleague in your own= organization can be an easy way to start.

Cheers,
Andy


On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Bob Hinden <bob.hind= en@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mar 21, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> On 20/03/2013 20:23, Ted Lemon wrote:
>> On Mar 20, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Marc Blanchet <marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca> wrote:
>>> 1) at the end of each meeting, if the wg etherpad contains mor= e than 500 characters, then it is considered potential minutes.
>>> 2) after one week, an automated tool takes this etherpad and p= ut it into meeting materials as wg minutes and send an email to the wg chai= rs and wg mailing list saying what it did.
>>> 3) wg chairs can always push another version, since they will = have an opportunity.
>>> 4) at the cutoff for proceedings, they become official minutes= .
>>
>> This seems like it would produce more bad results than good result= s
>
> Definitely. A rough transcript is not the same things as minutes.
> Minutes are supposed to be a comprehensible summary of points made
> and conclusions reached. There is no easy way to produce good minutes;=
> it's hard work.

That's my view as well. =A0We have the jabber logs for a ro= ugh transcript of the meeting.

If the chairs of a working group consistently don't produce minutes by = the deadline, then the ADs should get new w.g. chairs.

Bob



--14dae9340a1d6726c204d86c4526-- From lars@netapp.com Wed Mar 13 16:49:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C9C11E80D5 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:49:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.557 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.690, BAYES_00=-2.599, DC_IMAGE_SPAM_TEXT=0.001, DC_PNG_UNO_LARGO=0.558, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=1, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04=0.172, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5SI0TXAmGXSL for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx12.netapp.com (mx12.netapp.com [216.240.18.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9C311E80C5 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:49:26 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,840,1355126400"; d="png'150?scan'150,208,217,150";a="30610849" Received: from smtp1.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.156.124]) by mx12-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 13 Mar 2013 16:49:21 -0700 Received: from vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com (vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com [10.106.76.240]) by smtp1.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id r2DNnLix027110 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.54]) by vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:49:21 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Tools Team Discussion Thread-Topic: guinea pig needed Thread-Index: AQHOIBQNb53qKSUCrk2ySr0LtyN+Rw== Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:49:20 +0000 Message-ID: References: <3AA7118E69D7CD4BA3ECD5716BAF28DF0F6EC9A6@xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.104.60.118] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_D4D47BCFFE5A004F95D707546AC0D7E91F7B5A5BSACEXCMBX01PRDh_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:41:32 -0700 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: guinea pig needed X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:49:27 -0000 --_004_D4D47BCFFE5A004F95D707546AC0D7E91F7B5A5BSACEXCMBX01PRDh_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D4D47BCFFE5A004F95D707546AC0D7E91F7B5A5BSACEXCMBX01PRDh_" --_000_D4D47BCFFE5A004F95D707546AC0D7E91F7B5A5BSACEXCMBX01PRDh_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Begin forwarded message: From: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" > Subject: RE: guinea pig needed Date: March 13, 2013 19:33:16 EDT To: "Eggert, Lars" >, Internet Rese= arch Steering Group > Lars, This is what I get: [cid:image001.png@01CE2021.9A383EB0] Both =93change shepherd=94 and =93change stream writeup=94 lead to an error= page. =93Page not found=94 =96 This could have to do with this particular = document though. Not sure this is what you=92re looking for=85 Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: irsg-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:irsg-bo= unces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of > Eggert, Lars > Sent: 13 March 2013 13:56 > To: Internet Research Steering Group > Subject: [irsg] guinea pig needed > > Hi, > > could one of you RG chairs please: > > 1. go to https://datatracker.ietf.org/ > 2. sign in > 3. search for an ID belonging to your RG 4. click on it 5. see if you get= some of > the "Adopt in WG" etc. management links and can use them > > I'm trying to find out if access for you guys has been set up or if I am = still the > only one who has access. > > Thanks, > Lars --_000_D4D47BCFFE5A004F95D707546AC0D7E91F7B5A5BSACEXCMBX01PRDh_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <4E9A6A739C9BE94A97239C2ADB8B17DA@tahoe.netapp.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Begin forwarded message:

From: "= ;Michael Behringer (mbehring)" <mbehring@cisco.com>
Subject: RE= : guinea pig needed
Date: March= 13, 2013 19:33:16 EDT

Lars,
 
This is what I get:
 
 
Both =93change shepherd=94 and =93change stream writeup=94 lead to an error= page. =93Page not found=94 =96 This could have to do with this particular = document though.
 
Not sure this is what you=92re looking for=85
Michael
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  [mailto:irsg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of
> Eggert, Lars
> Sent: 13 March 2013 13:56
> To: Internet Research Steering Group
> Subject: [irsg] guinea pig needed
>
> Hi,
>
> could one of you RG chairs please:
>
> 2. sign in
> 3. search for an ID belonging to your RG 4. click on it 5. see if you = get some of
> the "Adopt in WG" etc. management links and can use them
>
> I'm trying to find out if access for you guys has been set up or if I = am still the
> only one who has access.
>
> Thanks,
> Lars

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Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:35:08 -0000 --bcaec54fae48ede4f804d861feb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Mar 20, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Brian Rosen wrote: > > Pretty much agree with this, although a one click upload from Etherpad > to meeting materials manager would be nice. > > Agreed. > > +1 Also, speaking as a former IESG scribe, this would be handy for that purpose as well. --bcaec54fae48ede4f804d861feb5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com&= gt; wrote:
On Mar 20, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Brian Rosen <br@brianrosen.net> wrote:
> Pretty much agree with this, although a one click upload from Etherpad= to meeting materials manager would be nice.

Agreed.


+1

Also, speaking as a= former IESG scribe, this would be handy for that purpose as well.
--bcaec54fae48ede4f804d861feb5-- From hannes.tschofenig@nsn.com Thu Mar 21 04:23:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F4721F862A; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 04:23:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yDcso5b0OIVP; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 04:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413BF21F862D; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 04:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r2LBMuk2014192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:22:56 +0100 Received: from USCHHTC001.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.161.14]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r2LBJl0S027703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:22:55 +0100 Received: from USCHHTC004.nsn-intra.net (10.159.161.17) by USCHHTC001.nsn-intra.net (10.159.161.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.328.9; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:20:50 -0500 Received: from USCHMBX001.nsn-intra.net ([169.254.1.45]) by USCHHTC004.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.161.17]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:20:50 -0500 From: "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" To: "ext Andrew G. Malis" , Bob Hinden Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Request for IETF WG and BOF Session Minutes Thread-Index: AQHOJhii6IJMBHzB5UCm4d2K9dSMw5iwOp6A///DUCA= Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:20:49 +0000 Message-ID: <1373E8CE237FCC43BCA36C6558612D2A9BFE6B@USCHMBX001.nsn-intra.net> References: <8D23D4052ABE7A4490E77B1A012B630775117B16@mbx-01.win.nominum.com> <514AC623.2080706@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.159.161.117] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_1373E8CE237FCC43BCA36C6558612D2A9BFE6BUSCHMBX001nsnintr_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-Ad: Categorized by eleven eXpurgate (R) http://www.eleven.de X-purgate: clean X-purgate: This mail is considered clean (visit http://www.eleven.de for further information) X-purgate-size: 8903 X-purgate-ID: 151667::1363864978-00007FD3-D2DA6DCC/0-0/0-0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:41:32 -0700 Cc: "" , Tools discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Request for IETF WG and BOF Session Minutes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:23:03 -0000 --_000_1373E8CE237FCC43BCA36C6558612D2A9BFE6BUSCHMBX001nsnintr_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree. I started in the IETF as the secretary of the NSIS working group. It helped= me to learn about the duties of a working group chair since the chairs inv= olved me a lot in their work. (I also hope that it helped the working group= .) Ciao Hannes From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behal= f Of ext Andrew G. Malis Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:50 AM To: Bob Hinden Cc: ; Brian E Carpenter; Tools discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Request for IETF WG and BOF Session Minutes My WG is lucky to have a WG secretary who prepares the agenda and takes the= minutes. Having a stable minute-taker goes a long way to getting them done= in a timely and consistent manner. I encourage other WG chairs to seek out= secretaries for their WGs. Asking a colleague in your own organization can= be an easy way to start. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Bob Hinden > wrote: On Mar 21, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 20/03/2013 20:23, Ted Lemon wrote: >> On Mar 20, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Marc Blanchet > wrote: >>> 1) at the end of each meeting, if the wg etherpad contains more than 50= 0 characters, then it is considered potential minutes. >>> 2) after one week, an automated tool takes this etherpad and put it int= o meeting materials as wg minutes and send an email to the wg chairs and wg= mailing list saying what it did. >>> 3) wg chairs can always push another version, since they will have an o= pportunity. >>> 4) at the cutoff for proceedings, they become official minutes. >> >> This seems like it would produce more bad results than good results > > Definitely. A rough transcript is not the same things as minutes. > Minutes are supposed to be a comprehensible summary of points made > and conclusions reached. There is no easy way to produce good minutes; > it's hard work. That's my view as well. We have the jabber logs for a rough transcript of = the meeting. If the chairs of a working group consistently don't produce minutes by the = deadline, then the ADs should get new w.g. chairs. Bob --_000_1373E8CE237FCC43BCA36C6558612D2A9BFE6BUSCHMBX001nsnintr_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree.

 <= /p>

I started in the IETF as = the secretary of the NSIS working group. It helped me to learn about the du= ties of a working group chair since the chairs involved me a lot in their work. (I also hope that it helped the working group.)

 <= /p>

Ciao
Hannes

 <= /p>

From: wgchairs= -bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Andrew G. Malis
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:50 AM
To: Bob Hinden
Cc: <wgchairs@ietf.org>; Brian E Carpenter; Tools discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Request for IETF WG and BOF Session Min= utes

 

My WG is lucky to have a WG secretary who prepares t= he agenda and takes the minutes. Having a stable minute-taker goes a long w= ay to getting them done in a timely and consistent manner. I encourage othe= r WG chairs to seek out secretaries for their WGs. Asking a colleague in your own organization can be an easy = way to start.

Cheers,
Andy

 

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com= > wrote:


On Mar 21, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> On 20/03/2013 20:23, Ted Lemon wrote:
>> On Mar 20, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Marc Blanchet <marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca> wrote:
>>> 1) at the end of each meeting, if the wg etherpad contains mor= e than 500 characters, then it is considered potential minutes.
>>> 2) after one week, an automated tool takes this etherpad and p= ut it into meeting materials as wg minutes and send an email to the wg chai= rs and wg mailing list saying what it did.
>>> 3) wg chairs can always push another version, since they will = have an opportunity.
>>> 4) at the cutoff for proceedings, they become official minutes= .
>>
>> This seems like it would produce more bad results than good result= s
>
> Definitely. A rough transcript is not the same things as minutes.
> Minutes are supposed to be a comprehensible summary of points made
> and conclusions reached. There is no easy way to produce good minutes;=
> it's hard work.

That's my view as wel= l.  We have the jabber logs for a rough transcript of the meeting.

If the chairs of a working group consistently don't produce minutes by the = deadline, then the ADs should get new w.g. chairs.

Bob

 

--_000_1373E8CE237FCC43BCA36C6558612D2A9BFE6BUSCHMBX001nsnintr_-- From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Fri Mar 22 01:05:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3361421F8F7D for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:05:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.334 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.334 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.413, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=1.908, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W7WjHA2c20LY for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x234.google.com (mail-we0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::234]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D2321F8F0A for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id r5so431920wey.39 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:05:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WCpzWsfdX2beQpk7xSTfZcIKYwelyLghFecvW1sAFhA=; b=qJHYnf0iPHu4J+TJQco0zcYJfwF642LzbD1vbsfYc6nHjNOSGnTGkt9yyNO6Nnx0Dy 8v7dq92f5d19iJzg8r4/RIkj4qJ2h7PNVb+5ZxbzeVlLbDwRmNZD071PPVsRGmKrpZ89 xQUzQrzHnjRCkh443ynTKa6WBzsZgbRRHQyF9vDwOk4gMTEKHJT9J5CXx/who0q9AGxt EgmXXVEdosCiBDi7QjZwHmNy/Om165TS4xPbKab3G5QbJQ5QY/RMJUW6OiHBu3D+U0q+ woeIpiZE2GZYK30xVw4Ig8eCupBQ1W+hFknrY4PHxMtILE6yMKi6AiMOuNLkotCYBw/a ryNw== X-Received: by 10.194.109.136 with SMTP id hs8mr1307382wjb.8.1363939503713; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (host-2-101-189-72.as13285.net. [2.101.189.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm9211708wij.2.2013.03.22.01.05.02 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <514C10BC.90507@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:05:16 +0000 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] Alerts when a draft is on the IESG agenda X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:05:08 -0000 Hi, Has the following ever been considered: When draft-mumble appears in the IESG agenda, alert draft-mumble.all@tools.ietf.org At the moment, authors and shepherds may not even know that their draft is on the agenda. Regards Brian From rjsparks@nostrum.com Fri Mar 22 07:50:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36EF21F8C82 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:50:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aIZfk+sZ6TIO for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaman.nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E2C21F8A18 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.tekelec.com ([4.30.77.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shaman.nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r2MEoFQA020142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:50:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <514C6FA8.60908@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:50:16 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <514C10BC.90507@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <514C10BC.90507@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (shaman.nostrum.com: 4.30.77.1 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Alerts when a draft is on the IESG agenda X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:50:20 -0000 On 3/22/13 3:05 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Hi, > > Has the following ever been considered: > > When draft-mumble appears in the IESG agenda, alert draft-mumble.all@tools.ietf.org > > At the moment, authors and shepherds may not even know that their draft > is on the agenda. It would also be an event that should trigger a message if your watching the draft using your community list. On a related note, at the genart discussion in orlando, several folks suggested that we should make it easier (automatic if possible) for reviewers to receive these notifications. I'll add these as feature-request tickets. My intuition says they won't be too hard to realize. RjS > > Regards > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From martin.thomson@gmail.com Fri Mar 22 13:07:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23C321F8457 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:07:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZSYrXmSNm9Fe for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22e.google.com (mail-we0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A91E21F8432 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-we0-f174.google.com with SMTP id r6so3619644wey.5 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:07:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0bcZoDrF0Zk7+77gKsYowy88HL1KK99Iw4tX2uEvpZ4=; b=FzAsKAwvoPHm7hd6sUliBmCDOxDjSFvDKqPlOElpRDZi/vQptJY8wEzsDRcrBnqujg 4VScgdaKK0azYrdiaMu9Gi1K3MNouCOD0f9Q0k4dqyOGiBv/NM03VAhp3Jv7WvkhrYh1 mgyo3pHgNv4FLo39NgvAHXPxslBlcjFZT9ij8OgCxTyiF+4Axg2RkneWlWSRL4YgVqFA KOjEtvNsQchkOVdFLKMlmRnmlv3K5LRE5NiKcr4/OzxjFVMhnMBtTLSMW3AmFxxJ+18n ptVl0uOFA+rc7u2NLxSxjt4ZCqOZtbYOq5FANwk3ejvHSIps3iBLxlA2nXZD0mu+Ssun R83w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.103.40 with SMTP id ft8mr13628000wib.28.1363982858310; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.5.135 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:07:38 -0700 Message-ID: From: Martin Thomson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: [Tools-discuss] New XML2RFC: minor issues X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:07:39 -0000 The old xml2rfc would generate a docName attribute based on the name of the input (or output) file. This was convenient because upversioning a draft did not require manual tweaking of the docName attribute. The new one omits the docName if it is absent. This causes the I-D upload to reject the output file with the message: The first page of the document does not contain a legitimate filename that start with draft-* (I'll note that this message is rendered in red on a red background, which is confusing.) Sure, the old web service was bad about this - it used the name of the temporary file rather than using the value from the Content-Disposition header. But at least it created a placeholder. The old xml2rfc was OK with long lines in figures. It would allow the figure to steal space from the the margin on the left of the page. With some parts of drafts needing all the space they can get, this was a useful feature. From dwing@cisco.com Fri Mar 22 17:31:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F15B21F8F35 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:31:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.433 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.433 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.166, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XaLUCgTIXcSH for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-4.cisco.com (mtv-iport-4.cisco.com [173.36.130.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D4021F8F31 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:31:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=376; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1363998668; x=1365208268; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date: to:mime-version; bh=VMaA/gT+IxzGzp9jkbn73fti7Ia99n9cSN42HVSX6Ag=; b=TZt4ZHNK5TKVYMPDPx1skcGkKz/JYX69v+FGFsRZL8JdbarDu9bPLqiv hfhI7FbkIIZtsF67aO9/G3cTkQGPQeJt8y5GDxyyDJ8zdVocx4LvrH4pi FoRBNi71DYC+2OCsYSJlKC0iWIqWUoY3cY+VVwm8/yO6Iz9DzXOYu5MLM s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiUFALH2TFGrRDoH/2dsb2JhbABDh2qsbZJ4FnSCZYF9iCahEqB1jXKEDGEDiHeNbYEfj2WDKhw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,895,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="76401761" Received: from mtv-core-2.cisco.com ([171.68.58.7]) by mtv-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Mar 2013 00:31:07 +0000 Received: from sjc-vpn6-1343.cisco.com (sjc-vpn6-1343.cisco.com [10.21.125.63]) by mtv-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2N0V7lJ023761 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:31:07 GMT From: Dan Wing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:31:07 -0700 To: "" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Subject: [Tools-discuss] private RFC, xml2rfc 2.4.1 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:31:08 -0000 The directive which worked in xml2rfc 1.whateverIwasusing is apparently ignored in = 2.4.1. I don't see a bug against this = inhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/report/1, and also = didn't see anything in the closed tickets. Is this a known bug, or is = there a new way to cause the Status and Copyright to be skipped? -d From dwing@cisco.com Fri Mar 22 17:55:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541A621F8FF7 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:55:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.143, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e-w7VEVKlBQT for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-2.cisco.com (mtv-iport-2.cisco.com [173.36.130.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B962221F8FED for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:55:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=583; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1364000127; x=1365209727; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=4V4kjFwxUMdmjLbBcXHpxayThVhVZ0xNVp2fYDXMBGw=; b=m2sCLxrq9OYxJzbOfC84t+qYQveNZXMu8liMroGoQczp56gGY8mmUieH 2tszDnDhxx7jVLKCB/0MwG1LSE3Wcrq+gEtHKV3GZqrBDftf9UNqcYbDy vuGVkN3jgyiEoudR213IoP52LZRyM3nj0XcbSwfOVJt712Rbi+5qFMRLu k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AicFAD38TFGrRDoI/2dsb2JhbABDh2q+AIFpFnSCJAEBAQMBAQEBNzQLBQsLRiEGMAYTiAIDCQUNuAUNiVcEjE2CGDMHgl9hA4h3jA2BYItphRuDKhw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,895,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="76478055" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Mar 2013 00:55:27 +0000 Received: from sjc-vpn6-1343.cisco.com (sjc-vpn6-1343.cisco.com [10.21.125.63]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2N0tRhp017032; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:55:27 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) From: Dan Wing In-Reply-To: <514C10BC.90507@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:55:27 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <34BE9318-64D2-4559-BC50-D7A08C8CCA9C@cisco.com> References: <514C10BC.90507@gmail.com> To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Alerts when a draft is on the IESG agenda X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:55:28 -0000 On Mar 22, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Brian E Carpenter = wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Has the following ever been considered: >=20 > When draft-mumble appears in the IESG agenda, alert = draft-mumble.all@tools.ietf.org >=20 > At the moment, authors and shepherds may not even know that their = draft > is on the agenda. That would be a great feature. -d > Regards > Brian >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Sat Mar 23 00:55:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA9321F891D for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:55:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.168 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.168 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.247, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=1.908, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BmeOdqmPCj6p for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x229.google.com (mail-wi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305F121F88C4 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id c10so498819wiw.0 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:55:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=J9aGErtoZPkiwdtX4Vq+hyOK1Nzp7Ai3aqAFnEcEhKQ=; b=09mQxQwyda0awXGfqtFjaX9gUYnvSfGuxcQYjcOTUs5HOZJiygV2x1bMmiwjxzBFBL FHvcbHwT6HlcVjzy9rCUuzyGqw/DxHFsYu0cPXGbD2FEWU0UgkmFX73NlQHKFZJ/CSJm xT4CGR3l8cHHG0eEHYxEqbGtxGadT850TtQLZPAzm1ARlNoLn585ySnaVAqgWpS9d3qf RHrk1IJfVzYLWnd3fyS04BbT5xFWpOVd6oTOCB7pPuKjBdB2coxvrSjkimm4ydSFrBIx RIA8tTWzBDBr3bNM9XohsJyF1RT7eu233fa9WwF7lmbXgezEwm1kJx/B0OTq7ruocqoV bsxQ== X-Received: by 10.194.81.40 with SMTP id w8mr7576930wjx.14.1364025329412; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (host-2-102-219-162.as13285.net. [2.102.219.162]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g4sm8274761wib.11.2013.03.23.00.55.27 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <514D6000.2030102@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:55:44 +0000 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Wing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] private RFC, xml2rfc 2.4.1 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:55:30 -0000 On 23/03/2013 00:31, Dan Wing wrote: > The directive > > which worked in xml2rfc 1.whateverIwasusing is apparently ignored in 2.4.1. I don't see a bug against this inhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/report/1, and also didn't see anything in the closed tickets. Is this a known bug, or is there a new way to cause the Status and Copyright to be skipped? Yes, this is a nuisance - I use it, for example, to generate the page at http://www.ietf.org/about/process-docs.html Brian From cabo@tzi.org Sat Mar 23 01:06:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A7021F8960 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:06:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id woLkHi7wmpCx for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFE421F8959 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:06:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2N86oDk013710 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:06:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.217.105] (p548937AB.dip.t-dialin.net [84.137.55.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 799E73DD7; Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:06:50 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:06:49 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5BB47562-2F54-4E21-A0B6-97775BB4D229@tzi.org> References: To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New XML2RFC: minor issues X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:06:54 -0000 With the towering set of (probably also mostly minor) issues at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/report/11 maybe moving v2 into production was a bit early? (I know that it is hard to get bug reports when people aren't using a = tool, but right now the bugs are more than an annoyance -- people = actually have already misunderstood what I was writing because v2 = mangled it.) I'm painfully aware a formatter is hard to get right, but get it right = we must. Something like a roadmap pointing forward would be consoling at this = point. Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From stpeter@stpeter.im Tue Mar 26 09:57:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7576221F8C67 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:57:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pK6aY6YGIdXV for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2566D21F8C72 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.129.24.115] (unknown [128.107.239.233]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 582AA40C76 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 11:07:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <5151D38D.60207@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:57:49 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] missing WG X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:57:53 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The JCARDCAL WG shows up on datatracker.ietf.org but not on tools.ietf.org... https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/jcardcal/ https://tools.ietf.org/wg/jcardcal/ How in-sync is tools.ietf.org supposed to be? And if tools.ietf.org is no longer canonical, what about add-on tools such as the issue tracker? Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRUdOMAAoJEOoGpJErxa2ppJIP/1rCwNKrrf1qlRDjMuofVgw8 wAnbSFvyPWY7D8oVN0ZNledRGpzHyx9rwvjQHjxu0RyvhCsSS9ajj0jDfi3V92lD OQE1WGE8yYO/wwnvA7AR+CntDFdeCHR0gF16etXoPuRvBg2V18iuqqWOIPj/fU1N rkhTGSV8LWXiJLFAzNf+le6nO4qvUSxHRnRleU/R3Q07rZfhCQlL9uuJ8Xnss89c T38yDvvXzBKQfOWAL/VLbz/I6tVdnfUnzkBM+DXwXgeVwHZULBg+YIAhRS3QxR0L S1XYo4rKUEmfARWv92Du27BnOhe9WBCg8ytpuLZdfiogQinSM7hHThr0A5v6wjGs zvh+xQZopBsbLH3zUK7OZXQ0Ueg1uMnh0vfZBrpX3VcifXSlYZVqZ3UBLUAi0SuF vmyiCFJ2DAYmAHr4X7EuuJKn9luqZTxBuTdD5m5nIFwwmnvaVLoYr8u9IyYnQYoG D8DumEBSjlR5p0PJqdzn7X2yjHJJTKpx6vjkjS2n99ww1x0NotmIUC7AG48kGCmA CKc2XFlZ02A6g+gCH3eLGwQm/urXWsCACPsvB3fzZ1pz24u/R6gRDGGfo93KC6gs ao4lWDgG8lKDKA5IFcu8V/qoTHvX7XN3SRwZTneW5BvkckxRdX3WAIgYxvSlqT67 cJG2vXdE6gm+vQQSsEth =2xjW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lars@netapp.com Wed Mar 27 04:01:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7346121F90DE for ; 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Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:01:50 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Tools Team Discussion Thread-Topic: Etherpad 404 Thread-Index: AQHOKtp7dYasohZ/6kOTL6Dis5Y8bg== Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:01:50 +0000 Message-ID: <6DC86BDE-A777-4352-96BC-6AD5DDC0625E@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.106.53.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <0096007F9A46704DB2DDDF8C303EE64F@tahoe.netapp.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Etherpad 404 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:01:57 -0000 Clicking on "etherpad-86" on http://tools.ietf.org/wg/rmcat/minutes errors = out Lars= From lars@netapp.com Wed Mar 27 04:49:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E3C21F907E for ; 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Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:49:57 -0700 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.218]) by vmwexceht06-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.104]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:49:56 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Tools Team Discussion Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Etherpad 404 Thread-Index: AQHOKtp7dYasohZ/6kOTL6Dis5Y8bpi54goA Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:49:56 +0000 Message-ID: References: <6DC86BDE-A777-4352-96BC-6AD5DDC0625E@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <6DC86BDE-A777-4352-96BC-6AD5DDC0625E@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.106.53.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Etherpad 404 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:49:58 -0000 On Mar 27, 2013, at 12:01, "Eggert, Lars" wrote: > Clicking on "etherpad-86" on http://tools.ietf.org/wg/rmcat/minutes error= s out On second thought, this is probably because http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:= 9007/ isn't allowed by our corporate firewall. Can we run this on a standar= d port? Lars= From cabo@tzi.org Wed Mar 27 04:53:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707B321F8935 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:53:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.047 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.047 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.201, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6tNAc7Pt-hWW for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B931421F859C for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:53:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2RBr9Gs001044; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:53:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.217.135] (p548943AC.dip.t-dialin.net [84.137.67.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 87A1B3EBF; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:53:09 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:53:08 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0207828F-7885-4C12-AB56-D9D781A3592F@tzi.org> References: <6DC86BDE-A777-4352-96BC-6AD5DDC0625E@netapp.com> To: "Eggert, Lars" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Etherpad 404 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:53:12 -0000 On Mar 27, 2013, at 12:49, "Eggert, Lars" wrote: > On Mar 27, 2013, at 12:01, "Eggert, Lars" wrote: >> Clicking on "etherpad-86" on http://tools.ietf.org/wg/rmcat/minutes = errors out WFM (although there is only the initial text in there). > On second thought, this is probably because = http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9007/ isn't allowed by our corporate = firewall. Looks like that. > Can we run this on a standard port? +1 I seem to remember I've had people who couldn't take notes at a meeting = because their laptops were firewalled off from 9007. Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From tony@att.com Wed Mar 27 14:55:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B87721F8B0B for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:55:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oevGlYquTGV8 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com [209.65.160.93]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68ED21F85B4 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.20.145] (EHLO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) by nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-6.15.0-1) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 5ea63515.0.338310.00-498.951218.nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:55:49 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 51536ae52ae63715-cde5a71c349a6f813b03cff875bc6e44777893f8 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2RLtnmx008791 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:55:49 -0400 Received: from alpi132.aldc.att.com (alpi132.aldc.att.com [130.8.217.2]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2RLtfgc008739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:55:43 -0400 Received: from alpi153.aldc.att.com (alpi153.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by alpi132.aldc.att.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:55:28 GMT Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpi153.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2RLtRLC014004 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:55:28 -0400 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpi153.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2RLtMML013838 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:55:24 -0400 Received: from [135.70.204.202] (vpn-135-70-204-202.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.204.202]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20130327215342gw1000m5a7e> (Authid: tony); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:53:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.204.202] Message-ID: <51536AC7.9050806@att.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:55:19 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion References: <6DC86BDE-A777-4352-96BC-6AD5DDC0625E@netapp.com> <0207828F-7885-4C12-AB56-D9D781A3592F@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <0207828F-7885-4C12-AB56-D9D781A3592F@tzi.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.20.145] X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.0 cv=SoUnHoy0 c=1 sm=0 a=ZRNLZ4dFUbCvG8UMqPvVAA==:17 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=m4Nzc0L5So4A:10 a=z55uD49gxukA:10 a=EaupHv73oAUA:10 a=ofM] X-AnalysisOut: [gfj31e3cA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zQP7CpK] X-AnalysisOut: [OAAAA:8 a=SKTor1qOL3AA:10 a=zOwRwpz4rbMKPtMIkbgA:9 a=wPNLv] X-AnalysisOut: [fGTeEIA:10] Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Etherpad 404 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:55:50 -0000 On 3/27/2013 7:53 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Can we run this on a standard port? > +1 > > I seem to remember I've had people who couldn't take notes at a meeting because their laptops were firewalled off from 9007. +1 This happened to me at a WG in Orlando. I solved it by bringing up etherpad on my iPad and doing the notes over there. BYOD saved the day again. Tony From dwing@cisco.com Wed Mar 27 19:46:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923FE21F9421 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:46:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.207, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SwLIqK+GIX4w for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtv-iport-3.cisco.com (mtv-iport-3.cisco.com [173.36.130.14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041CD21F9420 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:46:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1303; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1364438800; x=1365648400; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date: to:mime-version; bh=y9PkZ3JZ8NZyJgXS8hS1tAljtCz3T1JWqfWK1ITPe4c=; b=YIzM/U9CFXGAYDRJATZor86KM/BO9TAVehiVAmNZUx112shZ/Ib5+jyL XcQew9GiIDnIGedCoFpuUqGb1r+Cfoi4uVegCjQlV+Oiz7XbVlMxGXfMG svVfiXcMs9cyQWLFIGBSY0Q0yw7kdcU0nHFCIs5Q3M38lq4pTaJHbjNiD Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgQFAB+uU1GrRDoI/2dsb2JhbABDgzoBv2QWdIJggX2IJp4EoQ+RfmEDiHiNb4EfhGCLCIMrHA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,922,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="74347448" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Mar 2013 02:46:40 +0000 Received: from [10.32.240.194] ([10.32.240.194]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2S2kc9n027211 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:46:38 GMT From: Dan Wing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2466153C-7E56-45FC-8C44-7853B1C7EC0D@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:46:37 -0700 To: Tools Team Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Subject: [Tools-discuss] uppercase/lowercase for 7 files on rsync.tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:46:40 -0000 I noticed a difference in uppercase/lowercase for 7 files when I use the = command: rsync -avz --ignore-errors --exclude=3D*.xml --exclude=3D*.pdf = --exclude=3D*.html --exclude=3D*.ps --exclude=3D*.p7s --exclude=3D*.html~ = --exclude=3Dunknown_ids* --exclude=3D*.private = rsync://rsync.tools.ietf.org/tools.id/ . it appears that I alternatively get lowercase filenames for 7 files. = rsync.tools.ietf.org is a CNAME for grenache.tools.ietf.org, which has = only one IPv6 and one IPv4 address, my system is IPv4-only, so I'm not = sure what is causing this uppercase/lowercase change. $ refresh archive fetching archived internet drafts receiving file list ... done draft-aboulmagd-trTCM-inprofile-00.txt draft-huitema-MGCP-v0r1-02.txt draft-ietf-mip6-precfgKbm-04.txt draft-ietf-uswg-FYI4-00.txt draft-jones-ospf-vuln-01.txt draft-martini-pwe3-mh-pw-requirements-01.txt draft-ranalli-peek-walter-enum-t1roles-01.txt $ refresh archive fetching archived internet drafts receiving file list ... done draft-aboulmagd-trtcm-inprofile-00.txt draft-huitema-mgcp-v0r1-02.txt draft-ietf-mip6-precfgkbm-04.txt draft-ietf-uswg-fyi4-00.txt draft-jones-OSPF-vuln-01.txt draft-martini-pwe3-MH-PW-requirements-01.txt draft-ranalli-peek-walter-enum-T1roles-01.txt -d From cabo@tzi.org Wed Mar 27 20:29:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD6321F9410 for ; 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Thu, 28 Mar 2013 04:28:48 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <2466153C-7E56-45FC-8C44-7853B1C7EC0D@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 04:28:47 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2466153C-7E56-45FC-8C44-7853B1C7EC0D@cisco.com> To: Dan Wing X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] uppercase/lowercase for 7 files on rsync.tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:29:02 -0000 On Mar 28, 2013, at 03:46, Dan Wing wrote: > uppercase/lowercase change Your local file system is case insensitive. =20 But there are pairs of files in the Internet-drafts directory that = differ only in case. Both files map to the same file on your system. So each time rsync runs, it finds a file that differs from the local = file and overwrites it. =20 Next time, it notices that the other file does not match your local file = and overwrites it with that. I laughed out loud when I first noticed this... Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From sob@sobco.com Thu Mar 28 03:31:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E2E21F9079 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:31:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q47ymXQ8n35K for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sobco.sobco.com (unknown [136.248.127.164]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3B121F8FE5 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sobco.sobco.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DB0A3F34; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:31:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sobco.com Received: from sobco.sobco.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sobco.sobco.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CmLPJpPVbplD; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golem.sobco.com (golem.sobco.com [136.248.127.162]) by sobco.sobco.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6E722A3F27; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) From: Scott O Bradner In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:31:19 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <62E4DBAC-E248-4610-9293-FB4FCA890BD1@sobco.com> References: <2466153C-7E56-45FC-8C44-7853B1C7EC0D@cisco.com> To: Carsten Bormann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Cc: Tools Team Discussion , Dan Wing Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] uppercase/lowercase for 7 files on rsync.tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:31:22 -0000 seems that it would be a good idea for the ID tool to force lower case in file names to fix this sort of thing Scott On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Mar 28, 2013, at 03:46, Dan Wing wrote: >=20 >> uppercase/lowercase change >=20 > Your local file system is case insensitive. =20 > But there are pairs of files in the Internet-drafts directory that = differ only in case. > Both files map to the same file on your system. > So each time rsync runs, it finds a file that differs from the local = file and overwrites it. =20 > Next time, it notices that the other file does not match your local = file and overwrites it with that. > I laughed out loud when I first noticed this... >=20 > Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From dwing@cisco.com Thu Mar 28 09:33:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA6321F8BE0 for ; 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X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjoFAKxvVFGrRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABDgzoBglavOYxYgQQWdIIfAQEBAwF5BQsLDgouSQENBhOIDgW/I45lMweCX2EDiHiNcIEfhGCLCYMrHA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,927,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="76912854" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Mar 2013 16:33:46 +0000 Received: from [10.32.240.194] ([10.32.240.194]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2SGXjMh014791; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:33:45 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) From: Dan Wing In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 09:33:44 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <23D996C7-7D44-43D5-8345-CB3921A7ED6F@cisco.com> References: <2466153C-7E56-45FC-8C44-7853B1C7EC0D@cisco.com> To: Carsten Bormann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] uppercase/lowercase for 7 files on rsync.tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:33:47 -0000 On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Mar 28, 2013, at 03:46, Dan Wing wrote: >=20 >> uppercase/lowercase change >=20 > Your local file system is case insensitive. =20 > But there are pairs of files in the Internet-drafts directory that = differ only in case. I hadn't checked that; makes sense. > Both files map to the same file on your system. > So each time rsync runs, it finds a file that differs from the local = file and overwrites it. =20 > Next time, it notices that the other file does not match your local = file and overwrites it with that. > I laughed out loud when I first noticed this=85 Seems fruitful if the identical files could be pruned from the directory = on the rsync server. Both Windows and the default OS X configuration = are case-insensitive, so everyone with those OSs are going to = re-retrieve those files unnecessarily. -d >=20 > Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten >=20