Encrypted key exchange: password-based protocols secure against dictionary attacks

From cabo@tzi.org Wed Nov 6 21:39:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CB711E8244 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:39:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.104, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sOoiV+cDsRuI for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:38:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C2B11E8243 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:38:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rA75cmT4000059 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 06:38:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhcp-9334.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-9334.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.147.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2CC0762; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 06:38:46 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1816\)) From: Carsten Bormann Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:38:42 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <261B2B91-E7C5-4072-BA1D-4D3D8AA04064@tzi.org> References: <20131107032328.20998.22160.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1816) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: > updated by Carsten Bormann X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 05:39:04 -0000 The subject line can still be improved somewhat :-), but thanks for the = awesome new feature! Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten Begin forwarded message: > From: DraftTracker Mail System > Subject: > updated by Carsten Bormann > Date: 6 Nov 2013 19:23:28 -0800 > To: "Akbar Rahman" , "Salvatore Loreto" = , "Andrew McGregor" = , "Angelo P. Castellani" , = "Dr. Carsten Bormann" , "core-ads" = , "Esko Dijk" , "Thomas = Fossati" >=20 >=20 > Please DO NOT reply to this email. >=20 > I-D: > ID Tracker URL: = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-http-mapping/ >=20 > Set of documents this document replaces changed to = draft-castellani-core-http-mapping from None >=20 >=20 >=20 From richard.barnes@gmail.com Thu Nov 7 11:18:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F4C11E8284 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:18:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LIPIgwiIfrYI for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pd0-x22f.google.com (mail-pd0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C13D11E8264 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:18:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pd0-f175.google.com with SMTP id g10so1034090pdj.34 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 11:18:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XHtPqXD0CJ6RnkB08v05jzY4ksolgtI/bufBm0fA0OA=; b=zxr461W0wrEUFe16aGVCUGwhthikVeNNNLUKC9+7Z21igp2J2Q9o5ja5rCwUd71d91 95aOAGuaImRJ7mz6m/BxhBqDyZXpDqXt594eU9TOfhM6TIEm2fQqXXg2FAcOaA8fwF6J 1hygp5Vk3EPQoKbFWRBXQfC7HCmV/33IJXh70A6fOYXyOVsh+3FxMM98nCxKJUBV+swh BfrrCdvWsVQAG5BzM0rmZdxPInkPaesi8DFH+UtK7MAv+85Fk8wXKBSEN/HmkSsbs3Zn RuLnW8MKXoEqUAliFKi6Zu1NjQvwSHXVRN0+2E0f3ql3hVV4Sg0kneaI9HH67La3xrol EoSg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.144.161 with SMTP id sn1mr11260645pab.7.1383851881233; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 11:18:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.97.229 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:18:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:18:01 -0800 Message-ID: From: Richard Barnes To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Bug in I-D update emails X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 19:18:12 -0000 "> updated by Jonathan Lennox" From rjsparks@nostrum.com Thu Nov 7 13:58:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A39F11E8288 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:58:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OrOSxeQRZ2-L for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from shaman.nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C81C11E8127 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:56:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-b7a7.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-b7a7.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.183.167]) (authenticated bits=0) by shaman.nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id rA7LuA00005953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Nov 2013 15:56:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <527C0C7C.8090308@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 13:56:12 -0800 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Barnes , Tools Team Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (shaman.nostrum.com: 31.133.183.167 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Bug in I-D update emails X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 21:58:59 -0000 On 11/7/13 11:18 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: > " draft-ietf-avtext-rtp-duplication>> updated by Jonathan Lennox" Hi Richard - Please use for things like this. (fwiw, this particular bug has been reported and is being worked on.) 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The= y are clearly spam. Is there any way for tools to block a sender that's a= known spammer? --_002_D7FBDABD97E2434E8F61BA4CCF1DC83Dnominumcom_ Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: attachment; creation-date="Sun, 10 Nov 2013 19:07:15 GMT"; modification-date="Sun, 10 Nov 2013 19:07:15 GMT" Content-ID: <15628F672F4CE2409DD303956266D923@nominum.com> Received: from mx1-postini.nominum.com (192.168.1.10) by CAS-02.WIN.NOMINUM.COM (192.168.1.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 14:55:40 -0800 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod7mx201.postini.com [64.18.2.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1-postini.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AF57DE095 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 14:55:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: none (google.com: draft-alias-bounces@tools.ietf.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=77.72.230.30; Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org ([77.72.230.30]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7mx201.postini.com ([64.18.6.10]) with SMTP; 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Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:17.0) Gecko/20131028 Thunderbird/17.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Lemon References: <2040770926811911090704297245784@psmtp.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: Ted.Lemon@nominum.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] SciencePG spam X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:27:39 -0000 Hi Ted, On 2013-11-10 20:07 Ted Lemon said the following: > I've been getting several of these a day on various document aliases. > They are clearly spam. Is there any way for tools to block a sender > that's a known spammer? Several; none of them foolproof. I'll blacklist both the sender and the MTA, and hope that is sufficient. 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I'll blacklist both the sender and the > MTA, and hope that is sufficient. Thanks! 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[79.181.21.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gm2sm4273596wib.4.2013.11.11.13.24.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:24:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52814B08.1050207@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 23:24:24 +0200 From: Yaron Sheffer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] Bibtex to xml2rfc converter X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 21:24:28 -0000 Hi, I created a tiny converter to eliminate the tedious creation of XML references for anything that's not an RFC or I-D. Alas, this is still needed even with lyx2rfc. You can find a bibtex citation for essentially any academic paper, so now it's just a matter of pasting it into the tool, and out pops a beautiful element. The code is at https://github.com/yaronf/bibtex2rfc. Comments, fixes and forks are welcome. Enjoy! Input: @INPROCEEDINGS{Bellovin92encryptedkey, author = {Steven M. Bellovin and Michael Merritt}, title = {Encrypted Key Exchange: Password-Based Protocols Secure Against Dictionary Attacks}, booktitle = {IEEE SYMPOSIUM ON RESEARCH IN SECURITY AND PRIVACY}, year = {1992}, pages = {72--84}, publisher = {} } Output: Encrypted key exchange: password-based protocols secure against dictionary attacks Yes, I know some information was lost. As I said, fixes are welcome... Thanks, Yaron From tony@att.com Mon Nov 11 14:02:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73AE21E80D0; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:02:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.336 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.336 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.263, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3rAoiwlPRIOc; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from flpi406.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (egssmtp03.att.com [144.160.128.152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A49121E8092; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp03.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rABM2WUv021715; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:02:33 -0800 Received: from [135.91.110.142] (dn135-91-110-142.dhcpn.ugn.att.com[135.91.110.142]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20131111220232gw100q0gj2e> (Authid: tony); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:02:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.91.110.142] Message-ID: <528153F7.2010303@att.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:02:31 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yaron Sheffer , xml2rfc@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <52814B08.1050207@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <52814B08.1050207@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [xml2rfc] Bibtex to xml2rfc converter X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:02:40 -0000 On 11/11/2013 4:24 PM, Yaron Sheffer wrote: > I created a tiny converter to eliminate the tedious creation of XML > references for anything that's not an RFC or I-D. Alas, this is still > needed even with lyx2rfc. > > You can find a bibtex citation for essentially any academic paper, so > now it's just a matter of pasting it into the tool, and out pops a > beautiful element. The code is at > https://github.com/yaronf/bibtex2rfc. Comments, fixes and forks are > welcome. Enjoy! Thank you Yaron. I'm sure this will be very useful. Tony Hansen From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Nov 22 03:49:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923E51ACCEA; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 03:49:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mUTeV6nI58nr; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 03:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295D21AD738; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 03:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:aca4:1cd9:bff0:a3ee] (port=63304 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VjpEK-0003Wa-CX; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:49:00 +0100 Message-ID: <528F44AC.2040902@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:49:00 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20131118 Thunderbird/17.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF xml2rfc , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, Tools Team Discussion , IETF Discussion X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:aca4:1cd9:bff0:a3ee X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Service downtime for xml.resource.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:49:10 -0000 Hi, The online xml2rfc converter is currently hosted on only one server, one of the IETF tools servers which I provide. Unfortunately, it is in need of some service today, and since I don't have control over the xml.resource.org DNS record in order to re-point it to another service, there will be a service interruption. We'll try to make it as brief as possible, but in order to make things easier for you, in case you're in the middle of working on a draft and are using the online service, I've set up xml2rfc on another of the tools servers, for your use: https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/ I expect the service interruption on xml.resource.org to take place from 14:30 to 15:00 today, but will come back with an updated time if needed. Best regards, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Nov 22 03:51:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E831AE043; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 03:51:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xB8HdXwGyvIy; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 03:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7165B1ACCEA; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 03:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:aca4:1cd9:bff0:a3ee] (port=63310 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VjpGv-0005Ul-Om; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:51:42 +0100 Message-ID: <528F454D.3030906@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:51:41 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20131118 Thunderbird/17.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF xml2rfc , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, Tools Team Discussion , IETF Discussion References: <528F44AC.2040902@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <528F44AC.2040902@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:aca4:1cd9:bff0:a3ee X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Service downtime for xml.resource.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:51:51 -0000 To be more specific, the expected time is 22 Nov 2013 14:30 to 15:00 CET 22 Nov 2013 13:30 to 14:00 UTC 22 Nov 2013 08:30 to 09:00 EST 22 Nov 2013 05:30 to 06:00 PST Best regards, Henrik On 2013-11-22 12:49 Henrik Levkowetz said: > Hi, > > The online xml2rfc converter is currently hosted on only one server, one > of the IETF tools servers which I provide. Unfortunately, it is in need > of some service today, and since I don't have control over the xml.resource.org > DNS record in order to re-point it to another service, there will be a service > interruption. > > We'll try to make it as brief as possible, but in order to make things > easier for you, in case you're in the middle of working on a draft and are > using the online service, I've set up xml2rfc on another of the tools > servers, for your use: > > https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/ > > I expect the service interruption on xml.resource.org to take place from > 14:30 to 15:00 today, but will come back with an updated time if needed. > > > Best regards, > > Henrik > From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Nov 22 06:23:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CA31AE0D8; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:23:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G2PTrS1ZHk6e; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:22:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69C61ADEBE; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:22:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:aca4:1cd9:bff0:a3ee] (port=64716 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjrd5-0006S8-NR; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:22:48 +0100 Message-ID: <528F68B3.8010805@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:22:43 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20131118 Thunderbird/17.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF xml2rfc , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, Tools Team Discussion , IETF Discussion References: <528F44AC.2040902@levkowetz.com> <528F454D.3030906@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <528F454D.3030906@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:aca4:1cd9:bff0:a3ee X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Service downtime for xml.resource.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:23:01 -0000 Update: The work is going slower than expected (because the machine in question is a rather old box); we now expect a downtime of 60 minutes, i.e., we're expecting the following down period: 22 Nov 2013 14:30 to 15:30 CET 22 Nov 2013 13:30 to 14:30 UTC 22 Nov 2013 08:30 to 09:30 EST 22 Nov 2013 05:30 to 06:30 PST Best regards, Henrik On 2013-11-22 12:51 Henrik Levkowetz said: > To be more specific, the expected time is > > 22 Nov 2013 14:30 to 15:00 CET > 22 Nov 2013 13:30 to 14:00 UTC > 22 Nov 2013 08:30 to 09:00 EST > 22 Nov 2013 05:30 to 06:00 PST > > Best regards, > > Henrik > > On 2013-11-22 12:49 Henrik Levkowetz said: >> Hi, >> >> The online xml2rfc converter is currently hosted on only one server, one >> of the IETF tools servers which I provide. Unfortunately, it is in need >> of some service today, and since I don't have control over the xml.resource.org >> DNS record in order to re-point it to another service, there will be a service >> interruption. >> >> We'll try to make it as brief as possible, but in order to make things >> easier for you, in case you're in the middle of working on a draft and are >> using the online service, I've set up xml2rfc on another of the tools >> servers, for your use: >> >> https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/ >> >> I expect the service interruption on xml.resource.org to take place from >> 14:30 to 15:00 today, but will come back with an updated time if needed. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Henrik >> From derhoermi@gmx.net Fri Nov 22 07:35:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FE71AE171 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:35:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.425 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.425 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.525, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yq7S4xGcsf9N for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9D11AE18D for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from netb.Speedport_W_700V ([91.35.1.197]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0M1FAK-1VQ8x9003E-00tGGS for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:35:23 +0100 From: Bjoern Hoehrmann To: Peter Saint-Andre Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:35:25 +0100 Message-ID: References: <75E6AACE-0684-4645-92E9-1572F0B6358E@bangj.com> <0E074253-AF8A-4413-B4DC-DD1A73DAC330@bangj.com> <51424BEB.1020601@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: <51424BEB.1020601@stpeter.im> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:pMM5zNKymjPl1nd1XStO8zwdpN3ksWYzmWUeBETRJMeMogHZQQI huVGNeGVtG9qPJic4waUPjOTrk5KEAzb43Wd1211WoVA7+9nxkPwXYLh1oP4TaNSsWN6EEL v+YYzsFTHTn90nk1awP44CvhEWnKzpoP6VGaNiVCpYoFQauihtOQ948vsnrd6qgKwprhxmo M8zHMnEjnPFFRDEOU9/Ww== Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] raw jabber logs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:35:36 -0000 * Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >On 3/14/13 4:56 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >> On Mar 13, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann >> wrote: >> >>> * Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>> I found the HTML-ized version of the jabber logs at >>>> http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs >>> >>> There used to be http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/xmpp/ plain text >>> files as the only logs, but apparently that has changed. It seems >>> easy though to turn the HTML files into plain text, it's mostly a >>> template plus some formatting elements. >> >> There's not enough information in the HTML message or I would just >> parse that. The original XML would be ideal. Anyone know who >> archives this so I can request the original XML stream? > >As I understand it, the Secretariat runs the ejabberd XMPP server, and >IIRC ejabberd can provide logs in XML format. See for instance: > >http://www.ejabberd.im/mod_muc_log_xml > >I don't know if the Secretariat has that module enabled. Has anyone checked with the Secretariat what is and could be made available? Over in the rtcweb Working Group people noted that at the moment the logs do not expose globally unique identifiers, which may be necessary to identify who said something in the channel during a meeting (I think that's a bug as much as it is a feature). -- Bj�rn H�hrmann � mailto:bjoern@hoehrmann.de � http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 � Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 � http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dageb�ll � PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 � http://www.websitedev.de/ From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Nov 22 07:42:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F971ADF77; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:42:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ARSS5kGSHrKm; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD281ADFC6; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37655 helo=vigonier.tools.ietf.org ident=henrik) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VjssI-0006Ql-Ek; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:42:30 +0100 Message-ID: <528F7B65.9080109@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:42:29 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:17.0) Gecko/20131118 Thunderbird/17.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Malamud X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: carl@media.org, xml2rfc@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: xml2rfc mailing list , Tools Team Discussion Subject: [Tools-discuss] DNS address for xml.resource.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:42:45 -0000 Hi Carl, Earlier today, I had to take down merlot.tools.ietf.org (which handled xml.resource.org) for service, and it's failing to come back up after re-boot. I've set up the xml2rfc service on grenache.tools.ietf.org instead -- would you be kind enough to re-point xml.resource.org to grenache.tools.ietf.org? grenache.tools.ietf.org has address 77.72.230.30 grenache.tools.ietf.org has IPv6 address 2a01:3f0:1:2::30 Best regards, Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Nov 22 07:46:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BA71AE365; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:46:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HYBcejMrf57v; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2A21AE192; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:46:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38282 helo=vigonier.tools.ietf.org ident=henrik) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjsw7-0000NP-JT; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:46:27 +0100 Message-ID: <528F7C53.7050106@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:46:27 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:17.0) Gecko/20131118 Thunderbird/17.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF xml2rfc , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, Tools Team Discussion , IETF Discussion References: <528F44AC.2040902@levkowetz.com> <528F454D.3030906@levkowetz.com> <528F68B3.8010805@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <528F68B3.8010805@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Service downtime for xml.resource.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:46:48 -0000 New update: Unfortunately, the machine that has been serving xml.resource.org does not seem to want to come online again after re-boot. I've asked for the DNS records to be re-pointed to the machine which is now providing the xml2rfc online service (xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org). Until that happens, please continue to go to xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org if you need to use the online xml2rfc service. Sorry for the bother :-( Henrik On 2013-11-22 15:22 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: > Update: > > The work is going slower than expected (because the machine in question > is a rather old box); we now expect a downtime of 60 minutes, i.e., we're > expecting the following down period: > > 22 Nov 2013 14:30 to 15:30 CET > 22 Nov 2013 13:30 to 14:30 UTC > 22 Nov 2013 08:30 to 09:30 EST > 22 Nov 2013 05:30 to 06:30 PST > > Best regards, > > Henrik > > On 2013-11-22 12:51 Henrik Levkowetz said: >> To be more specific, the expected time is >> >> 22 Nov 2013 14:30 to 15:00 CET >> 22 Nov 2013 13:30 to 14:00 UTC >> 22 Nov 2013 08:30 to 09:00 EST >> 22 Nov 2013 05:30 to 06:00 PST >> >> Best regards, >> >> Henrik >> >> On 2013-11-22 12:49 Henrik Levkowetz said: >>> Hi, >>> >>> The online xml2rfc converter is currently hosted on only one server, one >>> of the IETF tools servers which I provide. Unfortunately, it is in need >>> of some service today, and since I don't have control over the xml.resource.org >>> DNS record in order to re-point it to another service, there will be a service >>> interruption. >>> >>> We'll try to make it as brief as possible, but in order to make things >>> easier for you, in case you're in the middle of working on a draft and are >>> using the online service, I've set up xml2rfc on another of the tools >>> servers, for your use: >>> >>> https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/ >>> >>> I expect the service interruption on xml.resource.org to take place from >>> 14:30 to 15:00 today, but will come back with an updated time if needed. >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Henrik >>> > From pusateri@bangj.com Fri Nov 22 08:08:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DF91ADF8F for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:08:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.037 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.037 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MLvSAdjKc1Nm for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D5D1AE191 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.10.100] (cpe-071-070-131-186.nc.res.rr.com [71.70.131.186]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9AB8F61F1; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:07:37 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_11FD220B-5132-48EC-8BD1-8DCFF7272286"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1812\)) From: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:07:36 -0500 Message-Id: <9CC7BDA8-0BFE-45D0-AC17-D15EC9E5B121@bangj.com> References: <75E6AACE-0684-4645-92E9-1572F0B6358E@bangj.com> <0E074253-AF8A-4413-B4DC-DD1A73DAC330@bangj.com> <51424BEB.1020601@stpeter.im> To: Bjoern Hoehrmann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1812) Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] raw jabber logs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:08:05 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_11FD220B-5132-48EC-8BD1-8DCFF7272286 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Nov 22, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann = wrote: > * Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> On 3/14/13 4:56 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>> On Mar 13, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>> * Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>>> I found the HTML-ized version of the jabber logs at=20 >>>>> http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs >>>>=20 >>>> There used to be http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/xmpp/ plain text >>>> files as the only logs, but apparently that has changed. It seems >>>> easy though to turn the HTML files into plain text, it's mostly a >>>> template plus some formatting elements. >>>=20 >>> There's not enough information in the HTML message or I would just >>> parse that. The original XML would be ideal. Anyone know who >>> archives this so I can request the original XML stream? >>=20 >> As I understand it, the Secretariat runs the ejabberd XMPP server, = and >> IIRC ejabberd can provide logs in XML format. See for instance: >>=20 >> http://www.ejabberd.im/mod_muc_log_xml >>=20 >> I don't know if the Secretariat has that module enabled. >=20 > Has anyone checked with the Secretariat what is and could be made > available? Over in the rtcweb Working Group people noted that at the > moment the logs do not expose globally unique identifiers, which may > be necessary to identify who said something in the channel during a > meeting (I think that's a bug as much as it is a feature). The server software that is/was being used (ejabberd) would either put = the log files in XML or HTML but not both. Since they wanted them hosted = on a web page, they chose HTML. They are in the process of switching the ejabberd server to prosody. We = are hoping there will be more flexibility once this transition happens. Thanks, Tom --Apple-Mail=_11FD220B-5132-48EC-8BD1-8DCFF7272286 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSj4FIAAoJEPk0GMVmUuYMtKkH/jfNd8cPC8qGt14GAJA1f/xQ bYuI3HuQpTnZG+q3pHH5Ruy67FZISdJtcpAX6Ukwl9wsDfjWIx6+KYrVDSa8Gr9b DHM5gyRbshw1upe2N7Pm+APXZpY2H0dWMYih16WrGz3i9O8w0ZYCtwvIBtySxTod ykiEd8B0WBXohX4pyuuoNrg0UE8MGoxYVUoucOb3SemUtacPa3jivzETF6cn2DNb wGP2I/D4fbm4+Eb4CE7wEjoHOG2ObwIIlzEI1VDJh6BZBUcff3Br3dv1Uk/hrai4 MpqnKM3AFd4JRxz6tBgxIy6c//wcPSUwOBZiajbxh6blYMJ/o7jZzphLwbc70VU= =cI0y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_11FD220B-5132-48EC-8BD1-8DCFF7272286-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Nov 22 10:47:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520B21AE231; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:47:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PrUzSmUf3RVa; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:47:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A25A1AE3EA; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55264 helo=vigonier.tools.ietf.org ident=henrik) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjvkp-000705-I1; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:46:59 +0100 Message-ID: <528FA6A3.1020605@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:46:59 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:17.0) Gecko/20131118 Thunderbird/17.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Malamud References: <528F7B65.9080109@levkowetz.com> <493284E6-C473-43B7-A4A5-A812BC68AA90@media.org> In-Reply-To: <493284E6-C473-43B7-A4A5-A812BC68AA90@media.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: carl@media.org, xml2rfc@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: xml2rfc mailing list , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] DNS address for xml.resource.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:47:11 -0000 On 2013-11-22 18:01 Carl Malamud said the following: > done. Thank you! > On Nov 22, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> Hi Carl, >> >> Earlier today, I had to take down merlot.tools.ietf.org (which handled >> xml.resource.org) for service, and it's failing to come back up after >> re-boot. I've set up the xml2rfc service on grenache.tools.ietf.org >> instead -- would you be kind enough to re-point xml.resource.org to >> grenache.tools.ietf.org? >> >> grenache.tools.ietf.org has address 77.72.230.30 >> grenache.tools.ietf.org has IPv6 address 2a01:3f0:1:2::30 >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Henrik >> > > From housley@vigilsec.com Sun Nov 24 12:46:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715511AE1DB for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:46:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WCdtDP-JWzoo for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [209.135.209.4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595531AE172 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCBFF3C020 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:46:37 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZnHvn4upkK6K for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from v150.vpn.iad.rg.net (v150.vpn.iad.rg.net [198.180.150.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2007F3C023 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:46:12 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:46:12 -0500 References: <5292294E.2010202@earthlink.net> To: Tools Team Discussion Message-Id: <37B58086-F00A-4793-9ED4-4B24A39241A3@vigilsec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Feature Request for IPR listings/system X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:46:56 -0000 Begin forwarded message: > From: TSG - personal > Date: November 24, 2013 11:29:02 AM EST > To: ietf@ietf.org, ipr@ietf.org > Subject: Feature Request for IPR listings/system >=20 > I brought this up some time ago and was checking in with Management to = see what the progress on building a mass-edit function into the IPR = listings so that >=20 > 1) Assignment or Information Notice Point can be updates, added to = another IPR notice, or otherwise modified within the context of that = data point. >=20 > 2) Allow for searching by update or member notice. >=20 > These are two key things that need to happen to make the IP Rights = System more functional >=20 > Todd Glassey From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Sun Nov 24 13:18:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6649B1AE320 for ; 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charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <37B58086-F00A-4793-9ED4-4B24A39241A3@vigilsec.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:18:38 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <27CED210-D731-463F-BFAD-EB078E539330@vpnc.org> References: <5292294E.2010202@earthlink.net> <37B58086-F00A-4793-9ED4-4B24A39241A3@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Feature Request for IPR listings/system X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:18:50 -0000 I'm not sure that helping a patent troll who has not been an IETF = contributor in a decade should be a priority. Have others expressed = interest in his proposed changes? --Paul Hoffman= From randy@psg.com Tue Nov 26 05:44:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C86F1AE1D9 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:44:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6mVlbj-jiGAz for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:44:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125421AE1CA for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:44:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VlIvx-0003Zq-4m for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:44:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:44:08 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Tools Team Discussion References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart_Tue_Nov_26_22:44:08_2013-1" Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Re: Fwd: draft-ymbk-lta-use-cases-00.txt X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:44:11 -0000 --Multipart_Tue_Nov_26_22:44:08_2013-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII be this true? if so, sure came as a surprise to me. randy --Multipart_Tue_Nov_26_22:44:08_2013-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:42:31 -0500 (EST) To: Randy Bush Subject: Re: Fwd: draft-ymbk-lta-use-cases-00.txt On Tue, 26 Nov 2013, Randy Bush wrote: >> My guess: because the third element of the filename is something other >> than "sidr". I think the related drafts list is automatically >> generated, and I don't see a way for me/us to manually add a document >> to it. This question is probably better directed at the tools team >> than WG chairs. > > this is a bit of arcana. Fair. I wondered, as I wrote that reply, if this is actually documented anywhere. I think the naming convention is just a tradition that the tools team latched onto ("Hey, wouldn't it be helpful if we grabbed all of these pre-WG docs?"), and now the tools reinforce the tradition. Write to them. See if that's what it is, and encourage documentation. --Multipart_Tue_Nov_26_22:44:08_2013-1-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Nov 26 05:54:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77E61AE1FA for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:54:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zP8Bv3Olpfoo for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD1F1AE1F5 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:f93c:d7c7:97e8:5e91] (port=58055 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VlJ67-0001CK-AF; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:54:39 +0100 Message-ID: <5294A81F.9020007@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:54:39 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20131118 Thunderbird/17.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:f93c:d7c7:97e8:5e91 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: randy@psg.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Re: Fwd: draft-ymbk-lta-use-cases-00.txt X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:54:42 -0000 Hi Randy, On 2013-11-26 14:44 Randy Bush said: > be this true? if so, sure came as a surprise to me. My reference is Section 7 of http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt , in particular the description of ID filename components 2 and 3. But yes, it's also the case that I at some point in time said "Right, it might be useful for people if I filtered on the 3rd name part and presented that as related documents for a WG". Henrik > > randy > > > ForwardedMessage.eml > > Subject: > Re: Fwd: draft-ymbk-lta-use-cases-00.txt > Date: > Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:42:31 -0500 (EST) > > To: > Randy Bush > > > On Tue, 26 Nov 2013, Randy Bush wrote: > >>> >> My guess: because the third element of the filename is something other >>> >> than "sidr". I think the related drafts list is automatically >>> >> generated, and I don't see a way for me/us to manually add a document >>> >> to it. This question is probably better directed at the tools team >>> >> than WG chairs. >> > >> > this is a bit of arcana. > Fair. I wondered, as I wrote that reply, if this is actually > documented anywhere. I think the naming convention is just a > tradition that the tools team latched onto ("Hey, wouldn't it be > helpful if we grabbed all of these pre-WG docs?"), and now the tools > reinforce the tradition. > > Write to them. See if that's what it is, and encourage documentation. > > > > -- Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss Please reports datatracker.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb Please reports tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > From narten@us.ibm.com Tue Nov 26 05:58:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A4D1AE1FF for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:58:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gG5POF7gGdtr for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:58:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from e8.ny.us.ibm.com (e8.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.138]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C18C1AE1FC for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:58:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from /spool/local by e8.ny.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! 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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:58:42 -0500 From: Thomas Narten X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 13112613-0320-0000-0000-000001D45CFC Cc: Randy Bush , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Re: Fwd: draft-ymbk-lta-use-cases-00.txt X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:58:47 -0000 > But yes, it's also the case that I at some point in time said "Right, it > might be useful for people if I filtered on the 3rd name part and presented > that as related documents for a WG". This is a useful feature and there are some chairs that encourage ID authors to name drafts accordingly. What would perhaps be useful is to add a link (or explanation) to the heading "related active documents ..." that explains that the list is generated entirely from the ID name, and that it may not be complete or accurate. I.e., partly to explain to folk how the list is generated and is thus just a convention/hueristic while also explaining what folk should do if they want their ID to appear in the list... Thomas From randy@psg.com Tue Nov 26 05:59:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAB31AE209 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:59:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x976WLz5Oirm for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:59:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BB51AE1FC for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 05:59:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VlJAH-0003bk-UU; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:58:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:58:56 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <5294A81F.9020007@levkowetz.com> References: <5294A81F.9020007@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Tools Team Discussion