From nobody Thu May 1 07:01:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B741A8917 for ; Thu, 1 May 2014 07:01:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bA5QeSPFhDLY for ; Thu, 1 May 2014 07:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from che.mayfirst.org (che.mayfirst.org [209.234.253.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9A31A8912 for ; Thu, 1 May 2014 07:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.70.10.85] (unknown [38.109.115.130]) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 365F2F984 for ; Thu, 1 May 2014 10:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <536253B0.3060600@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 10:01:20 -0400 From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" References: <20140428231041.12685.8218.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20140428231041.12685.8218.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6+git0.20140323 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20140428231041.12685.8218.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lxewl7UuHvlCc1Leb9xHDAxa119iBDuRi" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/y8n4T3NL7qn1X8AuHs-KvcDi5bU Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: [websec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-12.txt X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 14:01:37 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --lxewl7UuHvlCc1Leb9xHDAxa119iBDuRi Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080305090308030506050800" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080305090308030506050800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi IETF tools folks-- The attached announcement has two legacy http URLs in it that should be https. Again, i think Henrik said he'd fixed some of the URLs in the submission workflow in a recent commit a few weeks ago, but i don't know if these announcement messages were part of those that were fixed, or if the fix is supposed to be live by now or not. On the chance that the fix is supposed to be live already, i'm reporting these as extra places that need https-ifying. Thanks, --dkg --------------080305090308030506050800 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="[websec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-12_txt.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename*0="[websec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-12_txt.em"; filename*1="l" Return-Path: X-Original-To: dkg@terrist.org Delivered-To: mail-dkg@che.mayfirst.org Received: from itihasa.pair.com (itihasa.pair.com [209.68.5.116]) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 28BEFF984 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 19:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19509 invoked by uid 3326); 28 Apr 2014 23:11:07 -0000 Delivered-To: thought-fifthhorseman:net-daniel_gillmor@fifthhorseman.net Received: (qmail 19504 invoked by uid 3326); 28 Apr 2014 23:11:07 -0000 Delivered-To: thought-fifthhorseman:net-dkg@fifthhorseman.net Received: (qmail 19484 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2014 23:11:07 -0000 Received: from mailwash12.pair.com (66.39.2.12) by itihasa.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2014 23:11:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailwash12.pair.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A1D01C3815 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 19:11:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Check-By: mailwash12.pair.com Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [4.31.198.44]) by mailwash12.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EA0C3812 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 19:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942731A883D; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:10:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ietf.org; s=ietf1; t=1398726649; bh=9NL6w5ksE/lOxAG7jQKpyDoNRUBUB3c2zBIBrTc0tDI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Message-ID:Date:Cc:Subject:List-Id: List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender; b=LM60y84lN6JdrV+5Sfr4ePA/LROLtVyA6ffQFsIfyFiMAPYwxbe6h21wEskYpGVZV MHx40wchV0mdoeCyQiSwjY8fyAN4yN6eJgnzNn8kPqytwN/Iz4JNXF0Mf1zrAP44zO vLR7DGVFFIc3NeklO9BYbEPgUR/h0cV5glX99DYY= X-Original-To: websec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: websec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204DF1A700B; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:10:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fdbPfRr2bbTM; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134AF1A8832; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:10:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140428231041.12685.8218.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:10:41 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/websec/P0Nmft3lugNW0ajCM-UNmJwNsz8 Cc: websec@ietf.org Subject: [websec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-12.txt X-BeenThere: websec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Web Application Security Minus Authentication and Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: websec-bounces@ietf.org Sender: "websec" A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Web Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Public Key Pinning Extension for HTTP Authors : Chris Evans Chris Palmer Ryan Sleevi Filename : draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-12.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2014-04-28 Abstract: This memo describes an extension to the HTTP protocol allowing web host operators to instruct user agents (UAs) to remember ("pin") the hosts' cryptographic identities for a given period of time. During that time, UAs will require that the host present a certificate chain including at least one Subject Public Key Info structure whose fingerprint matches one of the pinned fingerprints for that host. By effectively reducing the number of authorities who can authenticate the domain during the lifetime of the pin, pinning may reduce the incidence of man-in-the-middle attacks due to compromised Certification Authorities. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-12 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-12 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ websec mailing list websec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/websec --------------080305090308030506050800-- --lxewl7UuHvlCc1Leb9xHDAxa119iBDuRi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJTYlOwXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQjk2OTEyODdBN0FEREUzNzU3RDkxMUVB NTI0MDFCMTFCRkRGQTVDAAoJEKUkAbEb/fpcKIkQAMoFY4lmdXqCcTtYYEh6mz+E fwj9+/9vrvk8WOXH+OQUA36RxL4AwsVHd1LPvk1az5oxYwBbewcWAPyM1wrBL0xW 1WooSr8KGktlRK/8CkembtJstBOF16fDaCq/PMMMoLauvA7MxZQouyTGFT8OXFfl 87kBJCnf0OaP0eIulGbkuFyF+DKfMBdWmcLqL44uCfkzRcV7yyuGVcPhcbdk8gye H2Sy8rt6OXtssgabuMsFy7bFL48gSZiL/uuytAairGerm6Tlf1urhz7V+Kel4loj 8i8jWCQnUq3QZgs2yu/JLQe2C7zYzdRn408X6UWkIQscrIWxnSdmDsSMBgSkEF9G VBiSHTeQtP9bNe7yLbC57dc2IwTOuEUrPEwMaLZXoKElbrQy8/2oUV5xEp94Viud RiVjFypC44+4vlGZk95dXAGCH+igaxH0Or58a65GYBB8sY7s8S0hmI1JIrXg98ab GAHVWUC8H4k34h2ggxXzkcdFHVVk4hwyTXT1zWc4Yca1rI2e+Z0OHPNWH7wjtjtq cw57phPX+qE7ZHKXNMczuaNk3VvbUjdYry5Fi9wM5WXGHPygYLtgAzXzNeRFMBsl LLqYfGMTizsW+G5sI1+JMcoY2YG21/n0adN3361+7RkdwYw6axMGc9gzMaszoctY X5wjRTLBCheqx7e0Fup9 =JuMY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lxewl7UuHvlCc1Leb9xHDAxa119iBDuRi-- From nobody Thu May 1 07:12:59 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E2C1A08C8 for ; Thu, 1 May 2014 07:12:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g9j2p4eyQ3DT for ; Thu, 1 May 2014 07:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from che.mayfirst.org (che.mayfirst.org [209.234.253.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4873A1A08DA for ; Thu, 1 May 2014 07:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.70.10.85] (unknown [38.109.115.130]) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 16E83F984 for ; Thu, 1 May 2014 10:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53625665.7030307@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 10:12:53 -0400 From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6+git0.20140323 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="r93higreIQQ4Rp9KpnHrKwv1qMuPofAbd" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/vdYzuTB4XxnLO_LVc5tcFx0kv44 Subject: [Tools-discuss] broken link in https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 14:12:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --r93higreIQQ4Rp9KpnHrKwv1qMuPofAbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi IETF Tools folks-- https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-12 has two links at the top of the page: /html/draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-11.txt /html/draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-12.txt But within the context of https://www.ietf.org/ , these don't resolve properly. (it seems to be expecting to be run on https://tools.ietf.org/ instead -- indeed, rfcdiff is *also* available on tools) I don't know if the right way to resolve this is to have https://www.ietf.org/html/draft* redirect to tools.ietf.org, or to publish the drafts directly on www or some other solution. thanks for maintaining these useful tools, --dkg --r93higreIQQ4Rp9KpnHrKwv1qMuPofAbd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJTYlZlXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQjk2OTEyODdBN0FEREUzNzU3RDkxMUVB NTI0MDFCMTFCRkRGQTVDAAoJEKUkAbEb/fpcWYIP/0LiI46WSXItJLSJGLaN7Yn+ PInQMSosnZaTJzHUi/5uwCKZpufScVX7Nz53TZ9/c9k8cSH9bS1Wr9PoXFKFJoR5 scFGOFsRq5QDSiYjhdF0y/WeaunjTm7b5uVNcJA9ve8J6bCb8AeHIz9Z9nRGiqJE lRM3CMoKQmhWR5q+UIDQSyevEM23ZOVkowa3iXAai7jZMDe/angaeVTwvk4EmH9Y IK0s2hVi1rwvmr6WyiVsTGc6/Y7TdBfwFNIe5fJ1eQM/X5iuTpefyK/GR4/ne2Eo mwOixBcDP9usY6W6ozjzF7HtNEsDGPdC5SPdBHLaK2wec+9LdYPdIA21xpOaQ931 Wwm3D0ecy3lEaSsZo5noMr50IQsSsmId8EvBAcH7l9pqrQCTDEn2aQ/JP49YgcAk j7PLVjkEdKMlTO1B4lkE3/hh1bsH/BhjcaLvcB/zHB1GdMQpmCbnK/WKslgpkgYN wRHy4H1VG0uhPHOuzo448g/FT9kXKi5ePHeuRNlLQJ28u+pNlOtpjh7Ui5sRBDbF 6Ahaqyw0A6OLv6s08XP6MY/OUr8YIiNVKBM/xjT99Dz4mEYUOECfdqqe8PugfFj1 XeqOgShj9OUFrAJwFt2W/Shsht5RTLw6Ze+QXfnjjwy1dnwqSfbyxHkfSb1sgBZE uMRJOzm7RCWX6m90llTA =L8jh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --r93higreIQQ4Rp9KpnHrKwv1qMuPofAbd-- From nobody Thu May 1 12:37:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5617B1A6FBC for ; Thu, 1 May 2014 12:37:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8sPxCJG0Q9gg for ; Thu, 1 May 2014 12:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF3D1A6F78 for ; Thu, 1 May 2014 12:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h25n7-s-oev-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com ([81.229.146.25]:61805 helo=vigonier.tools.ietf.org) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WfwnO-0004dO-Dn; Thu, 01 May 2014 21:37:26 +0200 Message-ID: <5362A248.9040801@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 21:36:40 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" References: <20140428231041.12685.8218.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <536253B0.3060600@fifthhorseman.net> In-Reply-To: <536253B0.3060600@fifthhorseman.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.229.146.25 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dkg@fifthhorseman.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/cAQHSMYykIYX4cLfTeObfY0h5PU Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: [websec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-12.txt X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 19:37:34 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Daniel, On 2014-05-01 16:01 Daniel Kahn Gillmor said the following: > Hi IETF tools folks-- > > The attached announcement has two legacy http URLs in it that should be > https. > > Again, i think Henrik said he'd fixed some of the URLs in the submission > workflow in a recent commit a few weeks ago, but i don't know if these > announcement messages were part of those that were fixed, or if the fix > is supposed to be live by now or not. On the chance that the fix is > supposed to be live already, i'm reporting these as extra places that > need https-ifying. The ones I fixed were in the regular template directory for the data- tracker. Having this specific message to go by, I realized that there is another separate template directory for the /secr/ part of the data- tracker, which used to be a separate codebase. I've identified and fixed up a number of http:// urls to be https:// just now. They will be part of the next release, which should happen within roughly a week. Best regards, Henrik -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTYqJIAAoJEE6bV0uPuxcaTKgQANZeR0ruxSFMf3aBdJqgtsMG q7CTKpri7Kf8TyDhXh8ba7OfHg/0FxDe9dL1JIxOSGkxTkCGTMxx/x5InBVttw6z 8DyCdL9M9ISDj/2pXcU3lh0oEQXIk1arRkwHjdxsbhF9yys+iu/uTdMh+u31nurv 2AsqVpZzvpBJggnLCByaVjZADUfKaOvl7P38sAPHzVoVAjPgSqB0LbYIGDqCT/Oe 6rjaA/ORnBqgoP/pEVuIkQBuxXRFtFmtL+TnqD+oshQNfAaOe1fZ/UuwWotybkcE r8fdKOfy1o6SlHZ3cNdpFtn8E+STkdd4yanRZFxln5eSxgEpjWowccYY5ZV00m7D Er2uXWHvIgxultjJtQPHLdVTBSU6KQhtj8L9JODSpveNr7O66+DWB4SDaeR+b714 CLeKH+6MCnA59WXB1fckvxUC+8EbMxwdfqqmYsNESbMFJ/6YryEXtsLyFjNuvMpq v/8VlKaxSfbEdD00WhY7gnp14Yjzf8s0LsfedWcFsMZGY2R97O0Z3Mi+Bjn7ofzh p+vRYNDgfxPLJpNA5OzxGh9PiV0Fc2+zr8v7FJM4Gj5/pEe/AS4+Yos9H2j7/kW/ 0jQcN8Mf0kXqQpbmXKGZUPaOFnonGYCz2BdfvIfNxgamOsCRKyLsNfAeNRVkU1bF SdUzHqubiOg/2gGnp2wH =k9zy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nobody Thu May 1 12:49:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD861A6FD4 for ; Thu, 1 May 2014 12:49:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X0upXyWzU-lh for ; Thu, 1 May 2014 12:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C5D1A6FBC for ; Thu, 1 May 2014 12:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h25n7-s-oev-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com ([81.229.146.25]:54542 helo=vigonier.tools.ietf.org) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wfwz6-0003Mn-P4; Thu, 01 May 2014 21:49:33 +0200 Message-ID: <5362A51E.7050704@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 21:48:46 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" References: <53625665.7030307@fifthhorseman.net> In-Reply-To: <53625665.7030307@fifthhorseman.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.229.146.25 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dkg@fifthhorseman.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/QOPEc-eFsYvn0xCItzUPCKhnbXo Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] broken link in https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 19:49:38 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Daniel, You're certainly active with respect to bug reporting today ;-) More inline: On 2014-05-01 16:12 Daniel Kahn Gillmor said the following: > Hi IETF Tools folks-- > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-12 > > has two links at the top of the page: > > /html/draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-11.txt > /html/draft-ietf-websec-key-pinning-12.txt > > > But within the context of https://www.ietf.org/ , these don't resolve > properly. (it seems to be expecting to be run on > https://tools.ietf.org/ instead -- indeed, rfcdiff is *also* available > on tools) Yes, those links needed to be fixed up to work right after the tool was deployed on www.ietf.org too. Fixed. > I don't know if the right way to resolve this is to have > https://www.ietf.org/html/draft* redirect to tools.ietf.org, or to > publish the drafts directly on www or some other solution. For now, I've fixed up the copy of rfcdiff on www.ietf.org to explicitly point to tools.ietf.org/html/. > thanks for maintaining these useful tools, Thank you, and thanks for reporting bugs :-) Best regards, Henrik -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTYqUeAAoJEE6bV0uPuxcabUIP/2JpH6hs7+NuBnkm9nZyd3NQ LhZL5iIfilhmfWgcOXj9Wl5qMi5lJ2QM5AH81lzOVHNShbqxnjBXzPCrQHsFEH/7 az99Qpx1YdGgEtCnkJwMkccy0XtNZyoWWM7Q5MNupoLS9xnupRA1ZAEjAgLbn3fg oBiBxWBerHj6TjCFxNd6WeYghmDrr9msbsXy/cS+g5cPaLuN3VOOkEzAZkI0YgcF 8yS1Zzh+mKrJKclSQ6bLlBTBD+CwOs0xRMyebJE1uaALyJ/xolrynyJAjK4DwYSN vzIDFplwEw2ERp3DWEv3EwOl7yBxsG7xfnw2oOuHAU/WM7fXjgVJdASOpdNKh9ID kpp52DT2Xug1fqKiIiPLOQl4Q1bsNldpgGvadjOM+LXQFoZXWXMsTUPXQ+dxXfQJ dF6mKJGAnEBtXLXwfOD8+q1UJ2oqiZ2mRbXmQHPpuxkSvEmv9cLma104B4Ll8aOX CzXi8Xfr3RNdIs57bXYfBUkJRn4GfNbe1HmwnDsRKvq8oe4lq9aRo6YYByQ+OIMi EiX89vpWEut1DlWNV/SXmBqxPJDZxyfnmB9l7PUBSb4rtNRQtF7NuonT7zW+u4tW Jy/ruXpMqiUiyvS4BpQDKCxU+VdUTuxN05Io8wi0PuanYMVZYe9a+sywvnlt/n3h zBE2J0bLwevy9ooSoeWc =Z1ZN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nobody Fri May 2 20:00:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7D01A0005 for ; Fri, 2 May 2014 20:00:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.652 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.652 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 69TIge-V5m3a for ; Fri, 2 May 2014 20:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rozanak.com (mail.rozanak.com [IPv6:2a01:238:42ad:1500:aa19:4238:e48f:61cf]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6BF1A0004 for ; Fri, 2 May 2014 20:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rozanak.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B8C5660944 for ; Sat, 3 May 2014 02:59:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rozanak.com Received: from mail.rozanak.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.iknowlaws.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xk5OKQkZ3I4r for ; Sat, 3 May 2014 04:59:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kopoli (e179171194.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.171.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rozanak.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DA2C856607F0 for ; Sat, 3 May 2014 04:59:27 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hosnieh Rafiee" To: Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 04:59:23 +0200 Message-ID: <006301cf667b$b041b320$10c51960$@rozanak.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac9me6/YM7ZbRgbOSV6+oHSXqFN4+g== Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/P2utFGMUpVz9xSqI7z7PJP0sffw Subject: [Tools-discuss] New version of my editor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 03:00:08 -0000 Hello, some time ago (not sure exactly when...), I introduced my editor that I wrote it and use it for my own purpose. Maybe it is useful for you too. I didn't have time to create a nice help but I tried to explain each section by a few example. So please read the notes. They are your guidelines if you plan to use it. Features - you can easily share a document with other people and they can work on the same document (but not synchronize) - it stores 5 versions of document and you can use RFC diff in the main menu of the document to compare different versions and copy any text from any versions (but do not forget to create a preview for each version otherwise you cannot access it) - To list your document click on search. - You can unlock the document to force the editor to create a new version of your draft. - You can easily copy any of your drafts - the output of the editor is only "txt" at the moment that is acceptable by IETF draft upload - When you save any document make sure that the time changes. (otherwise the document hasn't saved on the server) http://editor.rozanak.com I might later add more features if I have any free time to spend on it. Best, Hosnieh From nobody Sun May 4 22:20:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61F01A024D for ; Sun, 4 May 2014 22:20:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T51x40fpi3Cg for ; Sun, 4 May 2014 22:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5D71A0249 for ; Sun, 4 May 2014 22:20:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s455K5KR021045 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:20:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.145] (p5489040E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.137.4.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D236146C; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:20:04 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Carsten Bormann Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 07:20:03 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 420960003.621609-604804a243ef26582497b4df7a24571d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> To: " Discussion" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/VGt0H5Kb6jU_ZPVZg6WLuvEFeCQ Subject: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 05:20:18 -0000 When presenting a draft at tools.ietf.org, datatracker.ietf.org, etc., = that is beyond its original shelf life but is on life-support for some = IESG or RFC editor action, a prominent note needs to be displayed that = the expiry date in the document is no longer correct. Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From nobody Mon May 5 03:50:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BC81A02A9 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 03:50:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lQU-01ivfi6p for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 03:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A501A02A7 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 03:50:07 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,987,1389772800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="85941596" Received: from vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.241]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 05 May 2014 03:50:03 -0700 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.246]) by vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.241]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Mon, 5 May 2014 03:50:03 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Henrik Levkowetz Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] giving myself different roles in the local ietfdb dump Thread-Index: AQHPMUKjbN1bWEbMuU2CBplhhohgI5rEsNQAgGSGEoCAAFGygIAAHdUAgAET1wCAAAjBAIAAA4oAgAAGaoCAB+ViAA== Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 10:50:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3DA18560-52BF-495F-915A-725ED8ADF41D@netapp.com> References: <530B1730.60108@levkowetz.com> <30926E3A-8F64-4AAB-905B-A0FCA91B27E6@netapp.com> <529EE662-06C9-474D-8AC2-F7B88816E916@netapp.com> <535FD61C.2040000@levkowetz.com> <5360C4D8.1060108@levkowetz.com> <5360C7D0.8090309@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.11] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5E43665D-9502-4227-9EB8-B5B3EEC2E288"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/7-fNBH1Y6slgrpH6f7v8-bcDdw0 Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] giving myself different roles in the local ietfdb dump X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 10:50:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5E43665D-9502-4227-9EB8-B5B3EEC2E288 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On 2014-4-30, at 6:15, Eggert, Lars wrote: > Next problem. Using the vanilla 5.4.1 branch with the new database = dump, when I now try to sign in I no longer get the error about my = password being wrong (good), but I don't actually get logged in (bad). = The page just reloads. Is this (logging in as a user against a local the database dump) working = for others? Lars --Apple-Mail=_5E43665D-9502-4227-9EB8-B5B3EEC2E288 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBU2ds2tZcnpRveo1xAQLqlgQAg9/HXFzoGJ6X2rGlFCoLgQDM936xulp5 AsNKTSkVT2RauedVGvh0I8zcYUhCgUR/U7m08McEjzYk/FVSqAnmroJHrlVpTj3V 0kdUyZ2op8/jq6jl6NOlHEwiUktX14KrFvctYi9gyU7+LlG/cno2vMD+UACSN2Ad 7CFAwbs1l8k= =lTgd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_5E43665D-9502-4227-9EB8-B5B3EEC2E288-- From nobody Mon May 5 04:03:54 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5501A02A9 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 04:03:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VHYRl546xNT9 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 04:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F119B1A029E for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 04:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:3966:3fe2:ae92:91ab] (port=63821 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WhGgS-0000ez-KK; Mon, 05 May 2014 13:03:44 +0200 Message-ID: <53677010.3050309@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 13:03:44 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" References: <53361E3F.7080401@fifthhorseman.net> <533B2EDB.5040507@levkowetz.com> <535EDD19.1040909@fifthhorseman.net> In-Reply-To: <535EDD19.1040909@fifthhorseman.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="81bd2bSEbErCswL2OInLdPi8D4KD5t4dN" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:3966:3fe2:ae92:91ab X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dkg@fifthhorseman.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/RSC2RZr639Fv9PrU4dn3PZ0eX40 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] id-submission workflow e-mails should use https for confirmation link and URL and Htmlized X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 11:03:52 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --81bd2bSEbErCswL2OInLdPi8D4KD5t4dN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniel, On 2014-04-29 00:58 Daniel Kahn Gillmor said: > On 04/01/2014 05:25 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >=20 >> I've fixed these in a recent commit; should be part of the next releas= e. >=20 > Has that release happened yet? I just got another http:// URL in a > draft submission confirmation. Sorry if this comes across as a nag; i > don't know what the release schedules are like for the datatracker and > related tools. If you want to point me to documentation about release > planning for these things, i'll happily read it. Should have happened in release 5.2.1, 06 Apr 2014 :-( I'll scour the code to see if I can find remaining instances, or if there= 's been a regression from a later merge from another branch. Release informormation is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/release/ https://svn.tools.ietf.org/svn/tools/ietfdb/trunk/changelog Best regards, Henrik --81bd2bSEbErCswL2OInLdPi8D4KD5t4dN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJTZ3AQAAoJEE6bV0uPuxcai5kP/i8YJmhTJZVJVptZB3FpsKsZ wViZRk9+CxxbJYgufvHPMJdrNnWeUTLB4/FojggqiRf922P55rhGF1HtmOO6aBot tI0pWHKD6NHmuP4+W/WIHPTHePZCdkG9C61eZiGPGoVxU1QOMdcktafbroMJeY1Y Tvw0XUxYcRAOBUCtkbFKXJeHZGkAzuAl6DHmsa4r+HUysGyILVETYZ6hLW4Z9SmW CGQeCeiMf+9sSPJZDDWr5PAuBJozTAOunn9fhvTEgI/3KZ+OR1dj7zugdRyUvWA2 uDVMbK2WZNcAuSEczdnc1Xrg+8+xVTCt4INJR8YJHm8QfWiYkft33w04RvF34/UX H5N9rU/YSFFJba1p4vIGtXYAZGN49mhed9t6Jdh1oKzndRJ0VJRWbPKiU0Ez14SB q1hvmffksGmXsSTPnnjV0KFyKDAEmvDmkQmU8NzMfuoM5TUkLkmrQpKzzKr+Lw1q nk6J/irMTK0pHr66/OlmeSOeqqbPkZ6hofMCDZCCP/Q7WT0Q8X2rr/JWgI0huUd0 ZecCe7yFenXbB79aB5det4nj4qtjzPyEG7SH8bhZQhoPNlfy1xmitvu+sOPYa+61 Dbl+eiYPy02AupnYAHa4jhoJyXmfzU8fx4ymxYkNwshe2vR1iV7vGi68UxTbJg64 e8QLDmf/ve64uYqvPfBG =8gp/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --81bd2bSEbErCswL2OInLdPi8D4KD5t4dN-- From nobody Mon May 5 04:15:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CF71A02B3 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 04:15:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SUx0s7MZ_gYU for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 04:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD161A02AC for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 04:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:3966:3fe2:ae92:91ab] (port=63942 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WhGrQ-0007iQ-Op; Mon, 05 May 2014 13:15:05 +0200 Message-ID: <536772B8.7020909@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 13:15:04 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eggert, Lars" References: <530B1730.60108@levkowetz.com> <30926E3A-8F64-4AAB-905B-A0FCA91B27E6@netapp.com> <529EE662-06C9-474D-8AC2-F7B88816E916@netapp.com> <535FD61C.2040000@levkowetz.com> <5360C4D8.1060108@levkowetz.com> <5360C7D0.8090309@levkowetz.com> <3DA18560-52BF-495F-915A-725ED8ADF41D@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <3DA18560-52BF-495F-915A-725ED8ADF41D@netapp.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eKDfl5vtdbkFFTff7U5hfbLis1L8rL18n" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:3966:3fe2:ae92:91ab X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: lars@netapp.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/7LEuJHWutEZHZVK5Yy5xQvRgnDk Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] giving myself different roles in the local ietfdb dump X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 11:15:12 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --eKDfl5vtdbkFFTff7U5hfbLis1L8rL18n Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lars, On 2014-05-05 12:50 Eggert, Lars said: > On 2014-4-30, at 6:15, Eggert, Lars wrote: >> Next problem. Using the vanilla 5.4.1 branch with the new database dum= p, when I now try to sign in I no longer get the error about my password = being wrong (good), but I don't actually get logged in (bad). The page ju= st reloads. >=20 > Is this (logging in as a user against a local the database dump) workin= g for others? It doesn't work for me now. It did when I first set it up. Debugging no= w. Best regards, Henrik --eKDfl5vtdbkFFTff7U5hfbLis1L8rL18n Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJTZ3K4AAoJEE6bV0uPuxcaPpgQAMIXKUq6XmWw4uMr66RmOTj5 e5k5XRvBtQ9lvlFmmBWuVjgMO4okhbjE8L3OPfGVdYVw/IEjTswpelBpowERyvCO IP3OJ1687VmwA6xA+8VkRNNq2pu1W764Z0S6pu/TXuu58Lxk0nI8DdKkUwdudSqF N7hQdTr+VJSrxBd6QehdN3aufc29Psp4gZ8EjVFSTt3yljEGQz2wXf/+XBg1kZWT orCaozpcXBAp0ELiJTld4vUAdEUc1c1scOTfPRwWqWnrtfVyaJM2EGIeO36oWSTT DcabS3o1DYGxR3XFzlnQmA4t9ogoRNWpm7t87kbYNkqt00xzA60lbjI28jzkAVV9 nKYIhj1H68y7pK1J3FoF+uK8ch0Qt3VXRlSegBK5EYD4LZd2Zkj5EU49EZwDEJUg zhoH7tTtwlAH94uf4nkQyQMCPSEGQYmnHZIozY4bciOM9SSrjgJoHq8S4Zs1o3LF r7lE6d29s1laq381BIKGpR2Y5Nez6Ch8gVmglsd82wqq5AvMqjF09y5QJkqHU0y6 3UEVMG+n3QK9Qw8f4s5Pi9pksf5TFoS3M7WDz34btPxO8B7B8R5arWfo6b2Mnqvi QePW+NgTlkq0UHgn2TrnGzwd+ZW8nQ1WLfSMJnaz2KnjWQOx2FCqUvNznrso75vz WU/Njc13FJFc4C3iP+tc =HGSA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eKDfl5vtdbkFFTff7U5hfbLis1L8rL18n-- From nobody Mon May 5 04:39:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D4F1A02EB for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 04:39:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id puj2Q66zEs28 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 04:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575B11A02FF for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 04:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:3966:3fe2:ae92:91ab] (port=64183 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WhHEz-0007GW-L2; Mon, 05 May 2014 13:39:27 +0200 Message-ID: <5367786D.1070100@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 13:39:25 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eggert, Lars" References: <530B1730.60108@levkowetz.com> <30926E3A-8F64-4AAB-905B-A0FCA91B27E6@netapp.com> <529EE662-06C9-474D-8AC2-F7B88816E916@netapp.com> <535FD61C.2040000@levkowetz.com> <5360C4D8.1060108@levkowetz.com> <5360C7D0.8090309@levkowetz.com> <3DA18560-52BF-495F-915A-725ED8ADF41D@netapp.com> <536772B8.7020909@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <536772B8.7020909@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Ja5Cs8BIdSMuIsPJon6aUTWJlm67E36Aw" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:3966:3fe2:ae92:91ab X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: lars@netapp.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/2qsko9gZln6NNb-0iSNWGmfWHvM Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] giving myself different roles in the local ietfdb dump X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 11:39:37 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Ja5Cs8BIdSMuIsPJon6aUTWJlm67E36Aw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lars, On 2014-05-05 13:15 Henrik Levkowetz said: > Hi Lars, >=20 > On 2014-05-05 12:50 Eggert, Lars said: >> On 2014-4-30, at 6:15, Eggert, Lars wrote: >>> Next problem. Using the vanilla 5.4.1 branch with the new database du= mp, when I now try to sign in I no longer get the error about my password= being wrong (good), but I don't actually get logged in (bad). The page j= ust reloads. >> >> Is this (logging in as a user against a local the database dump) worki= ng for others? >=20 > It doesn't work for me now. It did when I first set it up. Debugging = now. It works for me with today's dump. If you run this: $ zgrep -E 'auth_user.*lars@netapp' ietf_utf8.sql.gz on your dump, you should see a line which contains 'crypt$$oaK9wnkFgkG5c'= in the 6th VALUES field. Best regards, Henrik --Ja5Cs8BIdSMuIsPJon6aUTWJlm67E36Aw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJTZ3htAAoJEE6bV0uPuxcarWUQAMLoXFi6fPG/ZPYIG76ig8YG DRtWsPNg/cHg3ddgwJJ226VvuGflpzm/kQnzpvHYDOIGzBI79kwL1w4QJuOdGoVo vYAJnhQ66AXyB45oziR5T+BPdk0XkCjpspqUuT2j8fOWjBkqF/37ZAGnrYGe45nq avWnM/Ay+X3ZfaaYsCi4FtUoSBQipQ0aG5DXv7QbxzWPjEB4Puqf4jbKPg20BCVv oPGqRs4URGqD1J6l0Y8SvA1l0gtwUjTzyFTswdlJ3oQPviqLgcx199pE+kem9jw1 1KVWYLR4m4APYrPGauOAbOG9b3OEhVFDK9Ja6dAMQGbYF85vzFIn2kiyThns/A3P jQC0ItJD795aJmGfFhlnHJ4wP+ElBuz40gwju6hQaJIMd+JPZA+lMaEK69kkB52Y eJBtfRrCI/rGQK3h3EbGvjSCF1FKedOUyRCvPfMhxZKX3DT79weCHThk/3bvFwqM 3DwhPwNcl7nhtUQvkw8GjYbEg56z1bHjkbbrW9Q0WrgCCNsRMmV0fQ83suwT/6dy 9a+ZdA5Z6p8Pd7XmWh5QNzp52xvzMARGCIeGEb1m9uqAau/EydCEw631SFm3PYYU PMeyndoeSMXaOXVcqxZrQnGKhg5qE7gLezcdFbs3oP2lRePsfVeP6ojLrSWzIFOT wBdb9RCjtPpoGtOabUxt =vW/x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Ja5Cs8BIdSMuIsPJon6aUTWJlm67E36Aw-- From nobody Mon May 5 06:26:07 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D90D1A032D for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:26:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vUT_x5PP3xiJ for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB181A032F for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (76-218-8-156.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.8.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s45DPkfK024247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 5 May 2014 06:25:50 -0700 Message-ID: <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 06:25:34 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann , " Discussion" References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.67]); Mon, 05 May 2014 06:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/bTRsPfUHJESgaOdgmc_BhcaOxs8 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 13:26:06 -0000 On 5/4/2014 10:20 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > When presenting a draft at tools.ietf.org, datatracker.ietf.org, etc., that is beyond its original shelf life but is on life-support for some IESG or RFC editor action, a prominent note needs to be displayed that the expiry date in the document is no longer correct. Isn't it simpler to merely resubmit the draft, to reset the timer? d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Mon May 5 06:36:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887F31A0326 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:36:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HLDAd5dPD71L for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED1E1A032B for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([217.91.35.233]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MHMRr-1Wc5z22JnP-00E8bs; Mon, 05 May 2014 15:35:59 +0200 Message-ID: <536793BA.8000808@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 15:35:54 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Crocker , Carsten Bormann , " Discussion" References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> In-Reply-To: <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:VqXVewgUXlCsOI6rRpj6F+wwNkclYvVyruJQvEM6cPFTjtHw2lC fl3wKriLaUdyOWI/dM25o4A1ZLVFvMyvjuYln+Pk95raNJl96YwdA2lEjitDtVtUIshiIUl gD1EHsVX8RyCOvvVniD5NffSbcvNvBsjf2GtrYxvNLzNfVdO9tYEHE31pM1AFAaNHWd9b/A J2+2DRILg8bPYnH/jBsqg== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/37ifIJm64PMPNMHSXtd9Ww2OPBw Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 13:36:14 -0000 On 2014-05-05 15:25, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 5/4/2014 10:20 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> When presenting a draft at tools.ietf.org, datatracker.ietf.org, etc., that is beyond its original shelf life but is on life-support for some IESG or RFC editor action, a prominent note needs to be displayed that the expiry date in the document is no longer correct. > > > Isn't it simpler to merely resubmit the draft, to reset the timer? I believe increasing the version number after submission (or approval) would be very confusing. (At least unless there actually *is* a change in the spec) Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon May 5 06:37:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788141A032F for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:37:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id llh2wFCinsb5 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBA61A0331 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:37:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s45DbAwP024704; Mon, 5 May 2014 15:37:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.145] (p548908F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.137.8.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 72E3E193A; Mon, 5 May 2014 15:37:09 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:37:08 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 420989828.134481-2b65ce1ff63faa38f583c68b2ba9c996 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <083EB5BA-2FE9-494B-B9DA-A534F9593069@tzi.org> References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> To: Dave Crocker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/zzGq82gBEBqLIXBbuFHy1-v0to4 Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 13:37:22 -0000 On 05 May 2014, at 15:25, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 5/4/2014 10:20 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> When presenting a draft at tools.ietf.org, datatracker.ietf.org, = etc., that is beyond its original shelf life but is on life-support for = some IESG or RFC editor action, a prominent note needs to be displayed = that the expiry date in the document is no longer correct. >=20 >=20 > Isn't it simpler to merely resubmit the draft, to reset the timer? Maybe, but that is likely to create even more confusion: =97 in the various bodies where the extended processing occurs (IESG = possibly, RFC-Editor more likely) =97 with the implementers (are we implementing the approved draft 18 or = draft 19?) Strictly speaking, the boilerplate is wrong, but in the age of the Web = this could be papered over by adding a note where the draft is = presented. (The few people who get the drafts by rsync are less likely = to be confused.) [Of course, the best thing would be to get rid of the unnecessary = process obstacles. But this is tools-discuss, not process-discuss...] Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From nobody Mon May 5 06:41:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2841A0331 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:41:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ik6XvJFIeVaV for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672F51A032D for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (76-218-8-156.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.8.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s45DfJ5c024632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 5 May 2014 06:41:22 -0700 Message-ID: <536794F3.7060806@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 06:41:07 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke , Carsten Bormann , " Discussion" References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <536793BA.8000808@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <536793BA.8000808@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.66]); Mon, 05 May 2014 06:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/Yj0DPw4eaRJL2tCmITtNXSZS4Mo Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 13:41:30 -0000 On 5/5/2014 6:35 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2014-05-05 15:25, Dave Crocker wrote: >> On 5/4/2014 10:20 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >>> When presenting a draft at tools.ietf.org, datatracker.ietf.org, >>> etc., that is beyond its original shelf life but is on life-support >>> for some IESG or RFC editor action, a prominent note needs to be >>> displayed that the expiry date in the document is no longer correct. >> >> >> Isn't it simpler to merely resubmit the draft, to reset the timer? > > I believe increasing the version number after submission (or approval) > would be very confusing. 1. I would have thought that this problem is not very frequent. 2. Adding cruft to the software, to cover a rare problem seems a poor tradeoff. As a natural part of keeping a tool clean-ish and simple-ish, we need push-back on the constant pressures to add cruft. 3. I wouldn't think that this sort of thing it would be all /that/ confusing for the elite IESG members, who already have to juggle the nuances and complexities of IETF process... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Mon May 5 06:48:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7278F1A0334 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:48:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y0BHY98GMYJ0 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87D91A0330 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([217.91.35.233]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0McluX-1WPVPm14oT-00HvTR; Mon, 05 May 2014 15:48:03 +0200 Message-ID: <5367968E.7020504@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 15:47:58 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann , Dave Crocker References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <083EB5BA-2FE9-494B-B9DA-A534F9593069@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <083EB5BA-2FE9-494B-B9DA-A534F9593069@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:4MhHWgz8BoY8B4SWpfiHtjRwgtbTiuPA37Hrkl9GnCBMO5r/jJn VROmxqX6hTx1lbivAvHs9wAfrLBOFMKnlfijCiTQOfMNDnIK0ZMRsK05/Zr4SdVJgn0czpA sOJ5sfhvefmUe8wUU3Us788MkwMjfC6lKOOOWN3czd47v2m9M8XHgLHLe1hSuzpbh/o/r3e b5LPiVXWbAu5rhyL/cpUg== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/Vh6C8dBici5Z0WsoyOi4TMezRuQ Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 13:48:09 -0000 On 2014-05-05 15:37, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > On 05 May 2014, at 15:25, Dave Crocker wrote: > >> On 5/4/2014 10:20 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >>> When presenting a draft at tools.ietf.org, datatracker.ietf.org, etc., that is beyond its original shelf life but is on life-support for some IESG or RFC editor action, a prominent note needs to be displayed that the expiry date in the document is no longer correct. >> >> >> Isn't it simpler to merely resubmit the draft, to reset the timer? > > Maybe, but that is likely to create even more confusion: > in the various bodies where the extended processing occurs (IESG possibly, RFC-Editor more likely) > with the implementers (are we implementing the approved draft 18 or draft 19?) > > Strictly speaking, the boilerplate is wrong, but in the age of the Web this could be papered over by adding a note where the draft is presented. (The few people who get the drafts by rsync are less likely to be confused.) > > [Of course, the best thing would be to get rid of the unnecessary process obstacles. > But this is tools-discuss, not process-discuss...] Right. A simple approach would be to remove the "Expires" information altogether, and instead have a link to the data tracker for that draft. Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon May 5 06:51:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DE01A0332 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:51:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KvanNie1OTuR for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845FD1A008D for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (76-218-8-156.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.8.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s45DpUA8024889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 5 May 2014 06:51:33 -0700 Message-ID: <53679756.6010907@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 06:51:18 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke , Carsten Bormann References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <083EB5BA-2FE9-494B-B9DA-A534F9593069@tzi.org> <5367968E.7020504@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <5367968E.7020504@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.66]); Mon, 05 May 2014 06:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/vsFJDdp1fJaVJdbemsIJJPA-FYo Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 13:51:41 -0000 On 5/5/2014 6:47 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > A simple approach would be to remove the "Expires" information > altogether, and instead have a link to the data tracker for that draft. Which means that any existing copies of the document -- which already have the Expires date on them -- will be wrong! This prompts a new line of concern: Effectively, we'd be changing a document in place. We don't do that for RFCs and I'll suggest that we should not do that for drafts. ANY change to a draft should cause a new version of the draft... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Mon May 5 06:55:49 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A861A0343 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:55:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ex-46ICygFf2 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B58E1A0320 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 06:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([217.91.35.233]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MVedf-1WLfkZ1PTT-00YwA7; Mon, 05 May 2014 15:55:40 +0200 Message-ID: <53679857.8030503@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 15:55:35 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net, Carsten Bormann References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <083EB5BA-2FE9-494B-B9DA-A534F9593069@tzi.org> <5367968E.7020504@gmx.de> <53679756.6010907@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: <53679756.6010907@dcrocker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:9U62Yvw/MD6gH0ehY8bYsX0EL9IWSEqj4mDoU6SpF+0v/bIf7+E 0wx2Mr4/CdhmdJaOJf83UMxLu26ysQu+LSN5buAy+IB2Ig7FI5m1I3q3qxzt37z33Ww1/o6 WmVRklPrIGan+pniSjaSSWQ4AEoSheU3Zlmj2nTkxh221eweA6/m1rB0xsSRQVSTSwEnpNd WlYYRCYrsM1pmC9pF1DHQ== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/DqkfzVBCK3X6kCcuits4OlqmWoI Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 13:55:47 -0000 On 2014-05-05 15:51, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 5/5/2014 6:47 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> A simple approach would be to remove the "Expires" information >> altogether, and instead have a link to the data tracker for that draft. > > > Which means that any existing copies of the document -- which already > have the Expires date on them -- will be wrong! > ... You misunderstood. My proposal is not to include the "expires" information in the first place. It's misleading in any case, because a draft frequently is irrelevant for other reasons (such as being replaced by a newer version). > This prompts a new line of concern: > > Effectively, we'd be changing a document in place. > > We don't do that for RFCs and I'll suggest that we should not do that > for drafts. ANY change to a draft should cause a new version of the > draft... > > d/ > I agree with that. Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon May 5 07:07:28 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D82D1A02FF for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:07:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 058LCDsD-ytc for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A1E1A035D for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:07:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s45E7DPP023768; Mon, 5 May 2014 16:07:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.145] (p548908F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.137.8.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D5E5D197D; Mon, 5 May 2014 16:07:12 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <536794F3.7060806@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 16:07:11 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 420991631.599025-e749eb7fd99716fe0a29f2b4cefce60f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <536793BA.8000808@gmx.de> <536794F3.7060806@dcrocker.net> To: dcrocker@bbiw.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/jLBeg260y4HCiABxDYtSYZU661o Cc: Julian Reschke , " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 14:07:26 -0000 On 05 May 2014, at 15:41, Dave Crocker wrote: > 2. Adding cruft to the software, to cover a rare problem seems a poor > tradeoff. As a natural part of keeping a tool clean-ish and = simple-ish, > we need push-back on the constant pressures to add cruft. Changing software is a small change. (No, it=92s not a rare problem, and even if fixes to the processes made = it one, it is still an important problem in those now rare cases.) Doing what Julian proposes probably is the right thing to do, but it is = a big change, with process implications. All I wanted to do is point out that our current web materials are = spreading falsehoods, and propose a simple solution. But I wouldn=92t be unhappy with doing the right thing, except that may = require too many decidotrons that we need elsewhere. Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From nobody Mon May 5 07:10:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083F41A0379 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:10:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UAuVlTvalHdt for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366F71A034A for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (76-218-8-156.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.8.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s45EAjWK025355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 5 May 2014 07:10:49 -0700 Message-ID: <53679BD9.7030800@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 07:10:33 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <536793BA.8000808@gmx.de> <536794F3.7060806@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.66]); Mon, 05 May 2014 07:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/7sYJTjkzPSgCZN0O-_zDIV9roVo Cc: Julian Reschke , " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 14:10:57 -0000 On 5/5/2014 7:07 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > All I wanted to do is point out that our current web materials are spreading falsehoods, and propose a simple solution. In classic terms of experimental methodology, this situations offers a choice between a Type I error and a Type II error. False positive or false negative. Is it worse for someone to think a draft might have expired (and therefore think they need to check for a newer one) than to have no idea that it expired? d -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Mon May 5 07:15:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52141A0368 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:15:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J3Uq4XOyFvYE for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF701A034A for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (76-218-8-156.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.8.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s45EFJrS025421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 5 May 2014 07:15:23 -0700 Message-ID: <53679CEC.40309@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 07:15:08 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke , Carsten Bormann References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <083EB5BA-2FE9-494B-B9DA-A534F9593069@tzi.org> <5367968E.7020504@gmx.de> <53679756.6010907@dcrocker.net> <53679857.8030503@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <53679857.8030503@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.66]); Mon, 05 May 2014 07:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/g28j9-O3QCSwUiAwHBZIZPQUH3g Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 14:15:31 -0000 On 5/5/2014 6:55 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2014-05-05 15:51, Dave Crocker wrote: >> On 5/5/2014 6:47 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> A simple approach would be to remove the "Expires" information >>> altogether, and instead have a link to the data tracker for that draft. >> >> >> Which means that any existing copies of the document -- which already >> have the Expires date on them -- will be wrong! >> ... > > You misunderstood. My proposal is not to include the "expires" > information in the first place. Ahh. You are proposing a change to /all/ I-Ds. So no new I-D would contain the expiry information? Many readers of I-Ds do not have a deep understanding of IETF details; even those who do often do to invoke that information when reading an I-D. (It's a usability, user attention kind of thing.) So this removes the only means of helping a reader understand that the IETF intends drafts to be highly ephemeral. In terms of the pragmatics of circulating I-Ds around the world, this essentially produces a paradigm change in the perception of the documents, to cover a relatively rare case that is, at worst, a minor inconvenience. (Note the separate observation I made to Carsten, about Type I/II errors.) > It's misleading in any case, because a draft frequently is irrelevant > for other reasons (such as being replaced by a newer version). Interesting point. It suggests that rather than removing the expiry date, it should be re-labeled something like "Expires By" and readers should be given explicit text and point to encourage verifying the most current version of the draft. The expiry data gives them a sense of /maximum/ lifetime. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Mon May 5 07:16:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1509D1A0386 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:16:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OWMIA_W5qLkV for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B891A0385 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([217.91.35.233]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MVsUW-1WNayZ1Hwm-00X25N; Mon, 05 May 2014 16:15:55 +0200 Message-ID: <53679D15.6030702@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 16:15:49 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net, Carsten Bormann References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <536793BA.8000808@gmx.de> <536794F3.7060806@dcrocker.net> <53679BD9.7030800@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: <53679BD9.7030800@dcrocker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:mFUx3gIoZHgwEd1k6b8HfrJ+j+E5JxvRP/0tLLCGQCbmM90eeug WORuNnJme+4h2v1hX/CGQHolIMdGfq172hS5hYrhdqPsrD1CyFQ52i46mVSsT6rdS91QNgu 1aoAnhJ7EcUvzXNevuQvljyyfInGf/H1nD0eebnlTcwe9OQ7D1I8WPK4/WNZxjpZtJQSdLz KbN412qtUfHLbgUeVH0IA== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/utDXg6EBkj4gn7ERCAHzcxtbCa8 Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 14:16:21 -0000 On 2014-05-05 16:10, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 5/5/2014 7:07 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> All I wanted to do is point out that our current web materials are spreading falsehoods, and propose a simple solution. > > > In classic terms of experimental methodology, this situations offers a > choice between a Type I error and a Type II error. False positive or > false negative. > > Is it worse for someone to think a draft might have expired (and > therefore think they need to check for a newer one) than to have no idea > that it expired? > ... The problem is that the information is misleading in any case. For instance, says "Expires: May 15, 2014", but it already has been updated four times since. Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon May 5 07:16:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079E81A0359 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:16:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h4gV8UMaQhZk for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4721A034A for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:16:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s45EGbJq012792; Mon, 5 May 2014 16:16:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.145] (p548908F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.137.8.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C1F0D1992; Mon, 5 May 2014 16:16:36 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <53679BD9.7030800@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 16:16:35 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 420992195.021646-30b1c09fdbaf80437c6ae7b8134cda1e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6323B5C1-7EF3-40F2-91FE-699FE7C44BAC@tzi.org> References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <536793BA.8000808@gmx.de> <536794F3.7060806@dcrocker.net> <53679BD9.7030800@dcrocker.net> To: dcrocker@bbiw.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/xffh4ggciogA1mNvinnSNNK0UVM Cc: Julian Reschke , " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 14:16:52 -0000 On 05 May 2014, at 16:10, Dave Crocker wrote: > Is it worse for someone to think a draft might have expired (and > therefore think they need to check for a newer one) than to have no = idea > that it expired? Both. I thought Julian=92s proposal was to say =93This draft expires after a = short while. Please see http://a/b/ for details.=94 (add suitable wording), so there is no false negative. (Yes, =93suitable wording=94 needs more than a kilodecidotron. =93Best = before=94? =20 That=92s why I wasn=92t suggesting fixing the falsehood, but papering = over it.) Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From nobody Mon May 5 07:24:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380AF1A036B for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:24:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XCQkUICVE-bu for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4E71A00B3 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([217.91.35.233]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M4kfR-1X42jM2eYH-00yuke; Mon, 05 May 2014 16:24:11 +0200 Message-ID: <53679F03.8050903@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 16:24:03 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net, Carsten Bormann References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <083EB5BA-2FE9-494B-B9DA-A534F9593069@tzi.org> <5367968E.7020504@gmx.de> <53679756.6010907@dcrocker.net> <53679857.8030503@gmx.de> <53679CEC.40309@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: <53679CEC.40309@dcrocker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:rY/e5lKAP40G+WJVOnEuHMu8KWP/n7vmd3BBmN6Re/cJh8rwAx4 M+Q8G+f8I3i1tdxChvVo7l8KV0+dav4J6gmgNB6I5fpzypXyE7QqzFpqqZ/Br3EqVnxyIMi 4d1g/36QSyH+3I3pMRfuZ3gcUnMLV5YIE7fLhZaCAw4n3lQGC41CnfUmwNi7AbBGJ10/s22 ZMt+tayUCGmYJcA+60W4A== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/eKT4AkkKrF_nf1T9tzV0FnBZT88 Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 14:24:33 -0000 On 2014-05-05 16:15, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 5/5/2014 6:55 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> On 2014-05-05 15:51, Dave Crocker wrote: >>> On 5/5/2014 6:47 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >>>> A simple approach would be to remove the "Expires" information >>>> altogether, and instead have a link to the data tracker for that draft. >>> >>> >>> Which means that any existing copies of the document -- which already >>> have the Expires date on them -- will be wrong! >>> ... >> >> You misunderstood. My proposal is not to include the "expires" >> information in the first place. > > Ahh. You are proposing a change to /all/ I-Ds. So no new I-D would > contain the expiry information? > > Many readers of I-Ds do not have a deep understanding of IETF details; > even those who do often do to invoke that information when reading an > I-D. (It's a usability, user attention kind of thing.) > > So this removes the only means of helping a reader understand that the > IETF intends drafts to be highly ephemeral. No, it does not. The drafts already say: "Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. The list of current Internet-Drafts is at http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as work in progress." What I propose is to replace the subsequent statement: "This Internet-Draft will expire on ..." By text that links to the datatracker page, providing accurate information about the draft's status. > ... Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon May 5 07:35:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EAC1A036B for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:35:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J9AGV9hNvrSE for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154591A0366 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (76-218-8-156.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.8.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s45EZg0C025908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 5 May 2014 07:35:46 -0700 Message-ID: <5367A1BD.1010500@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 07:35:41 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke , Carsten Bormann References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <083EB5BA-2FE9-494B-B9DA-A534F9593069@tzi.org> <5367968E.7020504@gmx.de> <53679756.6010907@dcrocker.net> <53679857.8030503@gmx.de> <53679CEC.40309@dcrocker.net> <53679F03.8050903@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <53679F03.8050903@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.66]); Mon, 05 May 2014 07:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/kX8mGJUYHjWt6Nbsz40B2M1f1ek Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 14:35:54 -0000 On 5/5/2014 7:24 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > What I propose is to replace the subsequent statement: > > "This Internet-Draft will expire on ..." > > By text that links to the datatracker page, providing accurate > information about the draft's status. Ack. However, in terms of human factors design, we tend to think that merely making information exist means it is useful. Unfortunately, boilerplate is useful only when the reader chooses to do a close inspection of the text, which essentially means never. Although of course a reader can miss the Expires header field, it's position makes it far more likely to be seen and understood. The information about currency needs to be prominent, not buried in boilerplate. So I suggest that a removal of the Expires field needs to mean the addition of a new header field, such as Current-Version:, with a datatracker URL specific to the draft. Given how long the field will be this will be visually obnoxious, but for information about expiration/currency, that's seems a Good Thing. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Mon May 5 07:55:59 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A19B1A00A5 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:55:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hRsxMBSNV-MQ for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241CF1A00A2 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.90] (50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s45EtnbX036933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 07:55:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: hoffman.proper.com: Host 50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90] claimed to be [10.20.30.90] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 07:55:48 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <115728FC-0F67-48AB-8064-E3168892E82D@vpnc.org> References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> To: " Discussion" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/Yl3F1AO-e3PLAT7vWiyRh9eft9s Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 14:55:57 -0000 Folks: We are not in charge of the IESG and RFC Editor's processes: they are. = Us having a discussion of how they should do things, given that they = didn't ask us and are aware of the problem, seems like a waste of time. = If an individual here believes that their proposed solution is best, = take it to the IESG and RFC Editor. --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Mon May 5 08:03:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4641A0389 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 08:03:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15EDVT6kFK9i for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 08:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908081A038C for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 08:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([217.91.35.233]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M5IdH-1X3Y9G3rbj-00zSoB; Mon, 05 May 2014 17:03:30 +0200 Message-ID: <5367A83C.9040308@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 17:03:24 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman , " Discussion" References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <115728FC-0F67-48AB-8064-E3168892E82D@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <115728FC-0F67-48AB-8064-E3168892E82D@vpnc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:8qiv8vtpdendKfpN+5DvSXCG69Zxu/9/4eHtTh8XeCQRsevBRPP w1l3tYHsP2nEOQIqaW807EoJEpajpUvi2M12AO5QEhW7L2l0qtYJLcldjNnN1aW2jVEAnuu QQh+GNlHnpupy4fRye/WEzjp5zh2trGANN5TpI7cfYcBmhFMbQnmpo5n8Mbjrp9D4OLPalW 25pr6KGMN+qOeYyVx1bfw== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/6J-Qpcv3eVOoXkAIKSJNbFHpUGY Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 15:03:36 -0000 On 2014-05-05 16:55, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Folks: > > We are not in charge of the IESG and RFC Editor's processes: they are. Us having a discussion of how they should do things, given that they didn't ask us and are aware of the problem, seems like a waste of time. If an individual here believes that their proposed solution is best, take it to the IESG and RFC Editor. I agree that we are not in charge, but I disagree that discussing it here is a waste of time. For instance, we might come up with a change proposal we all agree on, and then take that to the IESG. Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon May 5 08:22:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B621A0383 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 08:22:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X0YOAyx-aK2G for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 08:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493051A00B8 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 08:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (76-218-8-156.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.8.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s45FMILT026937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 5 May 2014 08:22:22 -0700 Message-ID: <5367ACA9.1000105@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 08:22:17 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke , Paul Hoffman , " Discussion" References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <115728FC-0F67-48AB-8064-E3168892E82D@vpnc.org> <5367A83C.9040308@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <5367A83C.9040308@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.66]); Mon, 05 May 2014 08:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/ucj6Jm3yjfu9L3dboxy_XlUiGSc Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 15:22:30 -0000 On 5/5/2014 8:03 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > > I agree that we are not in charge, but I disagree that discussing it > here is a waste of time. > > For instance, we might come up with a change proposal we all agree on, > and then take that to the IESG. +1 I think this exchange is proving enlightening and might even turn out to develop some useful guidance. d/ ps. but yes, we need to be clear that what is at issue here is a meaningful policy change and, no, this group does not get to decide that. -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Mon May 5 09:02:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD491A038D for ; 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charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/pQUlAeLONhmkEFnaDyKkBJQ1krw Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 16:01:58 -0000 Re-submission of a fresh I-D with an "Expires: " could be required to move forward past approval for publication. Nico -- From nobody Mon May 5 12:11:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439DC1A0439 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 12:11:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rcXw43b--M-u for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 12:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp02.att.com (egssmtp02.att.com [144.160.128.166]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9351A040F for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 12:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp02.att.com ( EGS R6 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s45JB2ZK011233 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 12:11:04 -0700 Received: from ds135-91-110-232.dhcps.ugn.att.com ([135.91.110.232]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140505191101gw100j0cr3e>; Mon, 5 May 2014 19:11:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.91.110.232] Message-ID: <5367E243.2070809@att.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 15:10:59 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Tools Discussion References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <083EB5BA-2FE9-494B-B9DA-A534F9593069@tzi.org> <5367968E.7020504@gmx.de> <53679756.6010907@dcrocker.net> <53679857.8030503@gmx.de> <53679CEC.40309@dcrocker.net> <53679F03.8050903@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <53679F03.8050903@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/Dz9TghJo6anKx1mkB-ZB4bZX43M Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 19:11:09 -0000 On 5/5/14, 10:24 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > The drafts already say: > > "Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering > Task Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also distribute working > documents as Internet-Drafts. The list of current Internet-Drafts is > at http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/. > > Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months > and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any > time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material > or to cite them other than as work in progress." > > What I propose is to replace the subsequent statement: > > "This Internet-Draft will expire on ..." > > By text that links to the datatracker page, providing accurate > information about the draft's status. Another option would be to modify the boilerplate to say something like: This Internet-Draft expires on or after MMM NN, YYYY, or may be superseded by newer versions. I think that covers just about all of the bases. Tony Hansen From nobody Mon May 5 12:20:54 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5421A0451 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 12:20:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7tCz2m0TUZh6 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 12:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx12.netapp.com (mx12.netapp.com [216.240.18.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93591A0450 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 12:20:48 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,990,1389772800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="162397493" Received: from vmwexceht05-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.35]) by mx12-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 05 May 2014 12:20:24 -0700 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.246]) by vmwexceht05-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Mon, 5 May 2014 12:20:24 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Henrik Levkowetz Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] giving myself different roles in the local ietfdb dump Thread-Index: AQHPMUKjbN1bWEbMuU2CBplhhohgI5rEsNQAgGSGEoCAAFGygIAAHdUAgAET1wCAAAjBAIAAA4oAgAAGaoCAB+ViAIAABv8AgAAGzYCAAIDKAA== Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 19:20:22 +0000 Message-ID: <66C20349-E76D-419B-A42B-154B1FDABCF5@netapp.com> References: <530B1730.60108@levkowetz.com> <30926E3A-8F64-4AAB-905B-A0FCA91B27E6@netapp.com> <529EE662-06C9-474D-8AC2-F7B88816E916@netapp.com> <535FD61C.2040000@levkowetz.com> <5360C4D8.1060108@levkowetz.com> <5360C7D0.8090309@levkowetz.com> <3DA18560-52BF-495F-915A-725ED8ADF41D@netapp.com> <536772B8.7020909@levkowetz.com> <5367786D.1070100@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <5367786D.1070100@levkowetz.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.19] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A939ECD8-52B0-45B0-9328-C4A2B6E4CDC2"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/8pvrSobqLTsvlSa7hnFsAPhNlhU Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] giving myself different roles in the local ietfdb dump X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 19:20:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A939ECD8-52B0-45B0-9328-C4A2B6E4CDC2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On 2014-5-5, at 6:39, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > It works for me with today's dump. Not for me, vanilla 5.4.2. > If you run this: > $ zgrep -E 'auth_user.*lars@netapp' ietf_utf8.sql.gz >=20 > on your dump, you should see a line which contains = 'crypt$$oaK9wnkFgkG5c' in the > 6th VALUES field. I see that in the dump. When I start the tracker, click sign in, enter my credentials, I get = taken back to the landing page with a 302, but I am then not logged in = (again see the "sign in" link.) Lars --Apple-Mail=_A939ECD8-52B0-45B0-9328-C4A2B6E4CDC2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBU2fkdtZcnpRveo1xAQKj7QP/QR0GzdDL1ordp2plWfD1DXVjjOC/CCew e0tqUR9cjBEBXrRxtUiXVqskiIilArXmkfsTvLWw3hwpCJ7yI0MX5Gl9azgNksXd dFjqq/9Uj6C2OIHBygT9DdM+774QGKKHui9yFAekvQ7/W5oEsQUG4HVCEB4jNutA eXb6uLHJyDw= =XkZf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A939ECD8-52B0-45B0-9328-C4A2B6E4CDC2-- From nobody Mon May 5 12:34:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBD21A0179 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 12:34:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TPGBeF3VsbkX for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 12:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D0B1A0198 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 12:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [165.227.249.247] (50-0-67-220.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com [50.0.67.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s45JY8QX046819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 12:34:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: hoffman.proper.com: Host 50-0-67-220.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com [50.0.67.220] claimed to be [165.227.249.247] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <5367E243.2070809@att.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 12:34:07 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <36853D9A-2376-4659-B7A0-CADB6564117C@vpnc.org> References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <083EB5BA-2FE9-494B-B9DA-A534F9593069@tzi.org> <5367968E.7020504@gmx.de> <53679756.6010907@dcrocker.net> <53679857.8030503@gmx.de> <53679CEC.40309@dcrocker.net> <53679F03.8050903@gmx.de> <5367E243.2070809@att.com> To: Tools Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/x8dHbzjjaTepSlKyhvVetDpQ97Q Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 19:34:19 -0000 On May 5, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: > Another option would be to modify the boilerplate to say something = like: >=20 > This Internet-Draft expires on or after MMM NN, YYYY, or may be = superseded by newer versions. >=20 > I think that covers just about all of the bases. Actually, it doesn't cover the two cases that prompted the thread: the = draft is stuck in IESG consideration past its expiration, or the draft = is stuck in the RFC Editor queue past its expiration. --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Tue May 6 01:42:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D461A0280 for ; Tue, 6 May 2014 01:42:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RoLnXB5udSjO for ; Tue, 6 May 2014 01:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F7C1A027D for ; Tue, 6 May 2014 01:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:54f4:947b:5abc:ca51] (port=52178 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WhaxH-00040c-EL; Tue, 06 May 2014 10:42:27 +0200 Message-ID: <5368A073.6080401@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 10:42:27 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion References: <530B1730.60108@levkowetz.com> <30926E3A-8F64-4AAB-905B-A0FCA91B27E6@netapp.com> <529EE662-06C9-474D-8AC2-F7B88816E916@netapp.com> <535FD61C.2040000@levkowetz.com> <5360C4D8.1060108@levkowetz.com> <5360C7D0.8090309@levkowetz.com> <3DA18560-52BF-495F-915A-725ED8ADF41D@netapp.com> <536772B8.7020909@levkowetz.com> <5367786D.1070100@levkowetz.com> <66C20349-E76D-419B-A42B-154B1FDABCF5@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <66C20349-E76D-419B-A42B-154B1FDABCF5@netapp.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4wmuR81ic3o8IqWRnURphkFmaU6gRkSTI" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:54f4:947b:5abc:ca51 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/CpFEthqJklSydjTRNr1vd3di6qc Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] giving myself different roles in the local ietfdb dump X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 08:42:35 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --4wmuR81ic3o8IqWRnURphkFmaU6gRkSTI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lars, On 2014-05-05 21:20 Eggert, Lars said: > On 2014-5-5, at 6:39, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> It works for me with today's dump. >=20 > Not for me, vanilla 5.4.2. >=20 >> If you run this: >> $ zgrep -E 'auth_user.*lars@netapp' ietf_utf8.sql.gz >> >> on your dump, you should see a line which contains 'crypt$$oaK9wnkFgkG= 5c' in the >> 6th VALUES field. >=20 > I see that in the dump. >=20 > When I start the tracker, click sign in, enter my credentials, I get ta= ken back to the landing page with a 302, but I am then not logged in (aga= in see the "sign in" link.) Humm. Ok, I need to get enough information about your setup to be able to reproduce this. Taking this off the tools-discuss list. Best regards, Henrik --4wmuR81ic3o8IqWRnURphkFmaU6gRkSTI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJTaKBzAAoJEE6bV0uPuxcaA4kQANlZDz3ejPg5XkKGDGsta7xC M3K0F0E9l+dKyQPA3XfUXUUvQHgSQgN4tiHiWm31Yn/ahEvSoIjlRy9EO5Zqmt+N dieq807tp/nQP29mc6eMxXrNtwnCFk7//kwaSt5xRwkXa4/Vgavw6qrWsZgMusou NcrDLL5OBRtwJA0jZFtl6/8uUVGG4o1n+ZX2chvEJJLVh/xwZ5NDigSgtPZHekzf FUPy/bCrzB3o7d1t4008pVfFBifgOc/OYuIM7TdYyX8j004gsvijKzfoakmvxo5B T1TQjnImR+QI2euQJBKFKthTNiCU53FerTHUuqHe/Q2MecS52GDvneSiCrt1dLax f4e3EuKRv82QbfVz7qRvmsLWEt9NJbPnY+6nxzVC8eqrEAUCoxiDHRwpCYWGNkHM iHAliFnyutfzqM19Z1F8jaXfMlaAKkKcKSK47a0zGcZWOzBkmcgwKAqhfhDw6iAh iL2uH7sOOvwIUok+oPNrOc8xQTpRtdFNp3/bx6dnX9nULUspJOAc7MZBu+XIhi6r I3snm/sVmzB0PR9z0O/kJiPjOyyKHmb/sJo1BhtcFAWbIVP7WPpchtrInklJr4Ls 4WYhfoOQ0+pVtHQEoBNos4osq7IOCSOQe4FihHnoUnclOeg7VG4Xb6dH2/1vrAYW 3d8JeOtvmkhxVr43Zpr9 =JWkI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4wmuR81ic3o8IqWRnURphkFmaU6gRkSTI-- From nobody Tue May 6 12:14:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCAD71A0391 for ; Tue, 6 May 2014 12:14:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DbRj4sR3NMRb for ; Tue, 6 May 2014 12:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp01.att.com (egssmtp01.att.com [144.160.112.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2211A03C2 for ; Tue, 6 May 2014 12:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp01.att.com ( egs 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s46JELvp032515 for ; Tue, 6 May 2014 14:14:21 -0500 Received: from ds135-91-110-232.dhcps.ugn.att.com ([135.91.110.232]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140506191421gw100j0cs1e>; Tue, 6 May 2014 19:14:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.91.110.232] Message-ID: <5369348C.6040401@att.com> Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 15:14:20 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Discussion References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <083EB5BA-2FE9-494B-B9DA-A534F9593069@tzi.org> <5367968E.7020504@gmx.de> <53679756.6010907@dcrocker.net> <53679857.8030503@gmx.de> <53679CEC.40309@dcrocker.net> <53679F03.8050903@gmx.de> <5367E243.2070809@att.com> <36853D9A-2376-4659-B7A0-CADB6564117C@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <36853D9A-2376-4659-B7A0-CADB6564117C@vpnc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/yjMxaAKTTm-oHHmH9wbI2Zln7vM Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 19:14:32 -0000 On 5/5/14, 3:34 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On May 5, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: > >> Another option would be to modify the boilerplate to say something like: >> >> This Internet-Draft expires on or after MMM NN, YYYY, or may be superseded by newer versions. >> >> I think that covers just about all of the bases. > Actually, it doesn't cover the two cases that prompted the thread: the draft is stuck in IESG consideration past its expiration, or the draft is stuck in the RFC Editor queue past its expiration. Sure it does. Note the "or after". Tony Hansen From nobody Tue May 6 12:40:44 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07891A01BA for ; Tue, 6 May 2014 12:40:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MsoSH5GiikVB for ; Tue, 6 May 2014 12:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02881A018D for ; Tue, 6 May 2014 12:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.90] (50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s46JeUf6014263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 6 May 2014 12:40:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: hoffman.proper.com: Host 50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90] claimed to be [10.20.30.90] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <5369348C.6040401@att.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 12:40:27 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <92CEA5C4-40A5-4F9E-9A8D-D05F1BED00B6@vpnc.org> References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <083EB5BA-2FE9-494B-B9DA-A534F9593069@tzi.org> <5367968E.7020504@gmx.de> <53679756.6010907@dcrocker.net> <53679857.8030503@gmx.de> <53679CEC.40309@dcrocker.net> <53679F03.8050903@gmx.de> <5367E243.2070809@att.com> <36853D9A-2376-4659-B7A0-CADB6564117C@vpnc.org> <5369348C.6040401@att.com> To: Tony Hansen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/uCThdmBZBTvBDo3SqmwNualiO-k Cc: Tools Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 19:40:40 -0000 On May 6, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: > On 5/5/14, 3:34 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> On May 5, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: >>=20 >>> Another option would be to modify the boilerplate to say something = like: >>>=20 >>> This Internet-Draft expires on or after MMM NN, YYYY, or may be = superseded by newer versions. >>>=20 >>> I think that covers just about all of the bases. >> Actually, it doesn't cover the two cases that prompted the thread: = the draft is stuck in IESG consideration past its expiration, or the = draft is stuck in the RFC Editor queue past its expiration. >=20 > Sure it does. Note the "or after". Subtle. It would be more natural to read your wording as "on that date = or immediately after". That feels more like a programming error than = something that anyone is expected to understand. --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Wed May 7 02:44:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6104B1A03D1 for ; Wed, 7 May 2014 02:44:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LA1lReds4WEs for ; Wed, 7 May 2014 02:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nic.fr (mx4.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:67c:2218:2::4:12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239491A027E for ; Wed, 7 May 2014 02:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7188A2802BD for ; 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Wed, 7 May 2014 04:03:07 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Henrik Levkowetz Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] giving myself different roles in the local ietfdb dump Thread-Index: AQHPMUKjbN1bWEbMuU2CBplhhohgI5rEsNQAgGSGEoCAAFGygIAAHdUAgAET1wCAAAjBAIAAA4oAgAAGaoCAB+ViAIAABv8AgAAGzYCAAIDKAIAA4BqAgAG5n4A= Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 11:03:05 +0000 Message-ID: <45FE4C4E-ECAA-4315-B813-08C8F07D2754@netapp.com> References: <530B1730.60108@levkowetz.com> <30926E3A-8F64-4AAB-905B-A0FCA91B27E6@netapp.com> <529EE662-06C9-474D-8AC2-F7B88816E916@netapp.com> <535FD61C.2040000@levkowetz.com> <5360C4D8.1060108@levkowetz.com> <5360C7D0.8090309@levkowetz.com> <3DA18560-52BF-495F-915A-725ED8ADF41D@netapp.com> <536772B8.7020909@levkowetz.com> <5367786D.1070100@levkowetz.com> <66C20349-E76D-419B-A42B-154B1FDABCF5@netapp.com> <5368A073.6080401@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <5368A073.6080401@levkowetz.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.19] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_999F683D-7691-49EE-B8D5-29B6D9733AB3"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/C3-ESEnqR5qRuKsXdQRGpCzpEMA Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] giving myself different roles in the local ietfdb dump X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 11:03:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_999F683D-7691-49EE-B8D5-29B6D9733AB3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, to close the loop: Henrik and me debugged offline, and it turns out the = issue was with using a django.contrib.sessions.backends.cache = SESSION_ENGINE in settings_local.py, when running against a local = database dump. With that changed to django.contrib.sessions.backends.cached_db (or = completely commented out), logging in works. Will add that to the wiki. Lars --Apple-Mail=_999F683D-7691-49EE-B8D5-29B6D9733AB3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBU2oS6dZcnpRveo1xAQKJAwQArBNxMovxWwobZcv8zNFIkT3bpu0HtOtO Cob1jFWaPE/PGl+5TkEtcqAv1liw6HNu+OLKIH9QDphnpUjsyKUM0h8okOtdkfxt 6D/s8ct+Nxi+l4ubEgw8eY76RUNPOL5FeksHbJVMhDHbJpu6KR34eOz7D5qu3ot7 sC6WKftZ4bM= =Xhnt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_999F683D-7691-49EE-B8D5-29B6D9733AB3-- From nobody Wed May 7 07:22:25 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1887A1A00DF for ; Wed, 7 May 2014 07:22:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r2Wzlk5QgM10 for ; Wed, 7 May 2014 07:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com (shell-too.nominum.com [64.89.228.229]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D171A007C for ; Wed, 7 May 2014 07:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831C31B80B7 for ; Wed, 7 May 2014 07:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-02.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3EE19005C for ; Wed, 7 May 2014 07:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [190.112.53.226] (192.168.1.10) by CAS-02.WIN.NOMINUM.COM (192.168.1.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 7 May 2014 07:22:13 -0700 From: Ted Lemon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 09:22:10 -0500 To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.10] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/f843Uif0PFzCZn7w_CGKtDJfxwg Subject: [Tools-discuss] Use of color for emphasis in the datatracker. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 14:22:22 -0000 I think it might be worth thinking about the use of color for emphasis. = What triggered this thought is that I have looked at the MIF charter = milestones page several times and literally not seen the links that = allow me to approve changes. If color is going to be used to emphasize = these links, it might be good to use a different background color as = well as a foreground color. The use of color for emphasis on the AD = pages is much more visible, for example, because of the use of brightly = colored backgrounds. From nobody Wed May 7 13:16:25 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AA71A0207 for ; Wed, 7 May 2014 13:16:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a09xhL6rul2d for ; Wed, 7 May 2014 13:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2161A019B for ; Wed, 7 May 2014 13:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id oz11so1989641veb.17 for ; Wed, 07 May 2014 13:16:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=QedgikGFIt11iZPdEpLIWrmQacl2/b/8O6fg4BT/0BI=; b=OboZL0wKeUp7jZDx5Lnf3xXHnuf3wHcUrMuVzre8lzzel2/xSN0Tzqszzeqp6V8z0p TIXula1x5C8CTIds/rWkZyg1KekC4bxNlqLL0zl3ktm38hhnbFD548dyXywpoXCd4NUy 4KD/5eJakGtLDguaFmLaMSo++lR8VvmM+PtrexnxlQIEZPn5fOl8bfULyBale8ornNSC /zcexjiML+9rf9xKyQaZN1WV+MyDveO/O7iDObnludRoW1pf/BtgjICNHH+TLvlW5NZX 8JigH0VP8Rs+4c7cSxbxDsLF16P8/uxd4irjZgql7dCGN7AbRppA9+yJXGKZv41cemTm KXXQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmAHMp1WHwPUfftvVVV4z8xngd0dUfBnxKRZ4OnrI0Wa4E/pRd8Hac6u4nUkHWTq17IcEht X-Received: by 10.221.67.67 with SMTP id xt3mr3438453vcb.41.1399493778706; Wed, 07 May 2014 13:16:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.10.136 with HTTP; Wed, 7 May 2014 13:15:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 16:15:58 -0400 Message-ID: To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/0B2ODHkaQcIVCdl1XH5AR22XyZQ Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: how to disable a doc from appearing as a WG doc X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 20:16:24 -0000 I think i sent this originally to the wrong list. Any help will be appreciated. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:02 PM Subject: how to disable a doc from appearing as a WG doc To: wgchairs This is probably a very basic question. Someone mistakenly submitted a draft with name "draft-ietf-forces-xxx" which makes it show up as an active WG document instead of "Related Internet-Drafts". How do i move it out of there? I have asked the authors to resubmit with proper naming. The draft sat for a while waiting for manual approval and i clicked on the wrong (and only) button which i thought was going to return me a url to go and reject. Instead it may have sent a url for approval. It would be nice if there was a reject button with some opportunity to explain why the doc was rejected. cheers, jamal From nobody Thu May 8 07:49:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045671A0077 for ; Thu, 8 May 2014 07:49:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0dKV9OkQ-C9C for ; Thu, 8 May 2014 07:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com (uillean.fuaim.com [206.197.161.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780701A0079 for ; Thu, 8 May 2014 07:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (clairseach-high.fuaim.com [206.197.161.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45497880CE for ; Thu, 8 May 2014 07:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1025238232.rudm2.ra.johnshopkins.edu (addr16212925014.ippl.jhmi.edu [162.129.250.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by clairseach.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150F31368071 for ; Thu, 8 May 2014 07:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <536B9957.8020003@innovationslab.net> Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 10:48:55 -0400 From: Brian Haberman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7Uqt5WBXUD8HJShCKbekix6vaEqDceUCA" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/bE1LCIuQfikCaWQ9Atf4qy2g_K0 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Use of color for emphasis in the datatracker. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 14:49:08 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --7Uqt5WBXUD8HJShCKbekix6vaEqDceUCA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/7/14 10:22 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > I think it might be worth thinking about the use of color for > emphasis. What triggered this thought is that I have looked at the > MIF charter milestones page several times and literally not seen the > links that allow me to approve changes. If color is going to be > used to emphasize these links, it might be good to use a different > background color as well as a foreground color. The use of color > for emphasis on the AD pages is much more visible, for example, > because of the use of brightly colored backgrounds. >=20 If colors are used, please take color blindness into account. --7Uqt5WBXUD8HJShCKbekix6vaEqDceUCA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.20 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJTa5ldAAoJEBOZRqCi7goq6xkH/jkKVKEwIOV1LZGvHOMfYAfj 6pxI3wsIKxKACiQn0Smf4OjpI4Ckx+wdhon1qnH4gSyp76/n3j7AB3bcr8ovar1t Y/9jktxSkCEuvJoTXhgcA10W+N/LFw2pjwhfMZw52Inw6X44pK6HT6zpZ7RneKyO OZJlbjgXbPL0xTWhxRyJ2Y/BVNUfeV6sX6DHwNa/p9TyB+0qNzCm2etUnPMdY+6T cStge/r8zxfLpRAHNTpufFCXOG5crLx+w5B/HT4KS0RxUnMgxofSLBjmuqU/9AFZ rqX2Jn9zwjtFXQyH6QhARA8ixxtKjPoASjWenA2R6iJljhzVzwjbuovHKMDRTzg= =xx0p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7Uqt5WBXUD8HJShCKbekix6vaEqDceUCA-- From nobody Thu May 8 11:17:35 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9987B1A00B7 for ; Thu, 8 May 2014 11:17:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aMeDNAnNervg for ; Thu, 8 May 2014 11:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com (shell-too.nominum.com [64.89.228.229]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863721A00B4 for ; Thu, 8 May 2014 11:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4634A1B8204 for ; Thu, 8 May 2014 11:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-01.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE38190043; Thu, 8 May 2014 11:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.19.131.142] (192.168.1.10) by CAS-01.WIN.NOMINUM.COM (192.168.1.100) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 8 May 2014 11:17:27 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: <536B9957.8020003@innovationslab.net> Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:17:23 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <536B9957.8020003@innovationslab.net> To: Brian Haberman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.10] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/9pbxzgmN-rQ1NU19-YQdkrnlHTA Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Use of color for emphasis in the datatracker. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 18:17:33 -0000 On May 8, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Brian Haberman = wrote: > If colors are used, please take color blindness into account. Indeed, I suspect the current color is indistinguishable from black to = someone who doesn't see blue. From nobody Thu May 8 15:29:27 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01071A0190 for ; Thu, 8 May 2014 15:29:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EtPBz-lLRdd5 for ; Thu, 8 May 2014 15:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-f44.google.com (mail-wg0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD041A018F for ; Thu, 8 May 2014 15:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id a1so3173724wgh.27 for ; Thu, 08 May 2014 15:29:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=la8Ujk0Xl/fz2AxtisOJMVrdqRrxSooTFgFvGk8ONxE=; b=GijuvZfXJrGCQpDvUwrr7XpzJOqKGnSnoim5vVblY8vh0HYfyUjr8z/UwgkB65Fuq1 C/WZH8+hy+nxAS6e5TG9gM/+GboNupJoXAUInZyD0yXWXxT/lOu7TglmMAc5c6Uezu7j yf+ZKlJyrpDAHql00zKPMbfdW+GuQg7DwEHtw4VlPFAQmj3Rzdzfso/6jNr1d6kdZGqk B44+TSxKqhEiBIQRZtmCadlzs4WYhyooOvHlvht+ffOC+seB0Nf69EL0z+2MvUIHCQpe 4jzW9okRFZcY3t8COb1GwwpgmQ1sm4+k+9Qb1S1dfO8rPXLLG7PosWKA6CZ53ta+QgSo eRtQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkq40zlLLWASvn0qhr6XzWY5VDrNaJQT98k6yIAYXOO/3tshss7DpmgPBLsctEMMUTwP2Vc MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.216.68 with SMTP id oo4mr72270wjc.69.1399588150604; Thu, 08 May 2014 15:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.62.70 with HTTP; Thu, 8 May 2014 15:29:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <36853D9A-2376-4659-B7A0-CADB6564117C@vpnc.org> References: <4EF5734A-3EA8-43E8-8D05-EFB77CB910FB@tzi.org> <5367914E.5030401@bbiw.net> <083EB5BA-2FE9-494B-B9DA-A534F9593069@tzi.org> <5367968E.7020504@gmx.de> <53679756.6010907@dcrocker.net> <53679857.8030503@gmx.de> <53679CEC.40309@dcrocker.net> <53679F03.8050903@gmx.de> <5367E243.2070809@att.com> <36853D9A-2376-4659-B7A0-CADB6564117C@vpnc.org> Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 18:29:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Kumari To: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0141a0928c884804f8eb02db Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/NJLlDgv0ovoIbPK0_8tlapI0iGE Cc: Tools Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Drafts that aren't expired but say that they are X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 22:29:20 -0000 --089e0141a0928c884804f8eb02db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Monday, May 5, 2014, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On May 5, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Tony Hansen > > wrote: > > > Another option would be to modify the boilerplate to say something like: > > > > This Internet-Draft expires on or after MMM NN, YYYY, or may be > superseded by newer versions. > > > > I think that covers just about all of the bases. > > Actually, it doesn't cover the two cases that prompted the thread: the > draft is stuck in IESG consideration past its expiration, or the draft is > stuck in the RFC Editor queue past its expiration. > Yeah, I recently started a thread on the same topic on WG-Chairs -- I have a draft that expired back in August 2012, stuck in RFC Ed (waiting on a reference). Someone asked me why I had abandoned the doc, and could I please revive it. The consensus was that we should simply ignore these edge cases / explain the process to folk if they didn't know / realize -- this seemed like a perfectly fine answer to me. W > > --Paul Hoffman > -- > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please reports datatracker.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > Please reports tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issuesor > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > --089e0141a0928c884804f8eb02db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Monday, May 5, 2014, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:
On May 5, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Tony Hansen <tony@att.com&g= t; wrote:

> Another option would be to modify the boilerplate to say something lik= e:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0This Internet-Draft expires on or after MMM NN, YYYY, or = may be superseded by newer versions.
>
> I think that covers just about all of the bases.

Actually, it doesn't cover the two cases that prompted the thread: the = draft is stuck in IESG consideration past its expiration, or the draft is s= tuck in the RFC Editor queue past its expiration.

Yeah, I recently started a thread on the same topic on WG-Ch= airs -- I have a draft that expired back in=C2=A0August 2012, stuck in RFC = Ed (waiting on a reference). Someone asked me why I had abandoned the doc, = and could I please revive it.=C2=A0

The consensus was that we should simply ignore these ed= ge cases / explain the process to folk if they didn't know / realize --= this seemed like a perfectly fine answer to me.=C2=A0

=
W

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--089e0141a0928c884804f8eb02db-- From nobody Sun May 11 00:59:04 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5BC1A0305 for ; Sat, 10 May 2014 23:57:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.852 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.852 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KSgplTktB6XR for ; Sat, 10 May 2014 23:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (userp1040.oracle.com [156.151.31.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46A91A0304 for ; Sat, 10 May 2014 23:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s4B6vDLj008631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 11 May 2014 06:57:14 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s4B6vCHW000327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 11 May 2014 06:57:13 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s4B6vC1N007601 for ; Sun, 11 May 2014 06:57:12 GMT Received: from [192.168.10.6] (/171.117.31.5) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 10 May 2014 23:57:12 -0700 Message-ID: <536F1F43.9000601@oracle.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 14:57:07 +0800 From: Weijun Wang User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/RK6UAsiNtOnUtDufd9NyfqvmKqA X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 11 May 2014 00:59:00 -0700 Cc: Shawn M Emery Subject: [Tools-discuss] Edition info in a reference? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 06:57:21 -0000 Hi I am writing an IETF draft which intends to include this reference [JLS] Gosling, J., Joy, B., Steele, G., and G. Bracha "The Java Language Specification", Third Edition, http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/. but seems there is no way to write that "Third Edition" thing. In XML it's only The Java Language Specification Is there any way I can add it? Thanks Weijun From nobody Sun May 11 01:42:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E867D1A01EF for ; Sun, 11 May 2014 01:42:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aQ8Vucepy3v3 for ; Sun, 11 May 2014 01:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC4C1A00BC for ; Sun, 11 May 2014 01:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.117] ([93.217.86.188]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M1SLt-1WykDw49Jh-00tX9i; Sun, 11 May 2014 10:41:54 +0200 Message-ID: <536F37CD.3050107@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 10:41:49 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Weijun Wang , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <536F1F43.9000601@oracle.com> In-Reply-To: <536F1F43.9000601@oracle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hDtsr01KbGRtB5/CQDbnUMNLT50Plg2Cwu3DmdXzufxafxyhs1O DHMTy1cIo0kNXq24behjBTrSt/gQj8pQZtWwfVmLS4Erswh+sqmBkCmFYxC12bQXt1OVG8P P7axuR/6rbklAXulRYn3jwoQbh+MExfmuU8pa+H+gZ5LWVAiq/BqyUabCoX3r4o7fpYem3g B5ccAduRRhEBoBwf8erqg== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/rlEKrNbgUyozh72DmT3sNSVfkRU Cc: Shawn M Emery Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Edition info in a reference? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 08:42:07 -0000 On 2014-05-11 08:57, Weijun Wang wrote: > Hi > > I am writing an IETF draft which intends to include this reference > > [JLS] Gosling, J., Joy, B., Steele, G., and G. Bracha "The Java > Language Specification", Third Edition, > http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/. > > but seems there is no way to write that "Third Edition" thing. In XML > it's only > > > > The Java Language Specification > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any way I can add it? > > Thanks > Weijun You could try to (ab)use the seriesInfo element. Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon May 12 02:12:41 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3C81A0584 for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 02:12:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MPART_ALT_DIFF=0.79, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NSv96KYJZI4h for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 02:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011701A055D for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 02:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f182.google.com with SMTP id r20so4095504wiv.15 for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 02:12:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ve61t2QptI9zqYlP5/dyo1xPE2YtdKm2meJ9SgH3LB8=; b=i1SwwZongC9C6xhMxeWqZgVmcJVIM9toyoIw7YrBA3qjmv0QFlcbrFFVpQIYSI9U/s V0wgDt5PNh8ay5m8SzpvIop67oDKik91y4hxHQWEm55w9vhEOM6DwpDsxuSYAePbC09q rGkbjJeKfd43bbYubyGeW1ZUB49z1LMS7q5HdBQnlDmQ9TBUJcl2/wZQRO+5j1iouqss dyx1AngDoqDi8xZJ2FyteNKJFzTFmcITAifL6FZs3fuCU1hC40+O0aIi3DqQGdurdBLg c9FEgPSXNGzlBnU3SSBbcGNsYf9y2AmeJGXmXvYU0diafF4TM6lS9YqMmayOxHOaznUI XBYg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkpOmkRfS39TY1QFGq5BJBScxrQ3Kn1tRSXQZO9bPEnn1tAIYeeDltl0yVjOfzVIIjZLNtn MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.1.164 with SMTP id 4mr4411629wjn.17.1399885951568; Mon, 12 May 2014 02:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.62.70 with HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2014 02:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.62.70 with HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2014 02:12:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <536F37CD.3050107@gmx.de> References: <536F1F43.9000601@oracle.com> <536F37CD.3050107@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 11:12:31 +0200 Message-ID: From: Warren Kumari To: Julian Reschke Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a8176dea55f04f93058c8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/-nqYBx8B5YG1MRZV84srgxzDYtc Cc: Shawn M Emery , Weijun Wang , Tools Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Edition info in a reference? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 09:12:39 -0000 --047d7b3a8176dea55f04f93058c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Or, just: The Java Language Specification, Third Edition Folk will figure it out... W On May 11, 2014 10:42 AM, "Julian Reschke" wrote: > On 2014-05-11 08:57, Weijun Wang wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I am writing an IETF draft which intends to include this reference >> >> [JLS] Gosling, J., Joy, B., Steele, G., and G. Bracha "The Java >> Language Specification", Third Edition, >> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/. >> >> but seems there is no way to write that "Third Edition" thing. In XML >> it's only >> >> >> >> The Java Language Specification >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Is there any way I can add it? >> >> Thanks >> Weijun >> > > You could try to (ab)use the seriesInfo element. > > Best regards, Julian > > -- > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please reports datatracker.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ > ietfdb > Please reports tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issuesor > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > --047d7b3a8176dea55f04f93058c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Or, just:
=C2=A0<title>The Java Language Specification, Third Edition</titl= e>

Folk will figure it out...

W

On May 11, 2014 10:42 AM, "Julian Reschke&q= uot; <julian.reschke@gmx.de= > wrote:
On 2014-05-11 08:57, Weijun Wang wrote:
Hi

I am writing an IETF draft which intends to include this reference

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [JLS] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gosling, J., Joy, B., Steele, G., a= nd G. Bracha "The Java
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Language Specification", Third Edition,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/.

but seems there is no way to write that "Third Edition" thing. In= XML
it's only

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <reference anchor=3D"JLS" target=3D"http://java.sun.= com/docs/books/jls/">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<front>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<title>The Java Language Spe= cification</title>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<author initials=3D"J"= ; surname=3D"Gosling"/>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<author initials=3D"B"= ; surname=3D"Joy"/>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<author initials=3D"G"= ; surname=3D"Steele"/>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<author initials=3D"G"= ; surname=3D"Bracha"/>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<date year=3D"2005" /= >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</front>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 </reference>

Is there any way I can add it?

Thanks
Weijun

You could try to (ab)use the seriesInfo element.

Best regards, Julian

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--047d7b3a8176dea55f04f93058c8-- From nobody Mon May 12 02:17:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BEF1A05CB for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 02:17:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.852 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.852 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c9TjCCKIH3RC for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 02:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (userp1040.oracle.com [156.151.31.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E981A059F for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 02:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s4C9Hgi4024079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 May 2014 09:17:42 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s4C9HfPL001145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 May 2014 09:17:41 GMT Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s4C9HfeF001132; Mon, 12 May 2014 09:17:41 GMT Received: from [192.168.10.6] (/171.117.55.49) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 12 May 2014 02:17:40 -0700 Message-ID: <537091AC.2030400@oracle.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 17:17:32 +0800 From: Weijun Wang User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Kumari , Julian Reschke References: <536F1F43.9000601@oracle.com> <536F37CD.3050107@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/0Ha4fQzyYyhnVzl_ySrLC4L3q38 Cc: Shawn M Emery , Tools Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Edition info in a reference? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 09:17:53 -0000 Then all will be inside "", which looks not really normal. On 5/12/2014 17:12, Warren Kumari wrote: > Or, just: > The Java Language Specification, Third Edition > > Folk will figure it out... > > W > > On May 11, 2014 10:42 AM, "Julian Reschke" > wrote: > > On 2014-05-11 08:57, Weijun Wang wrote: > > Hi > > I am writing an IETF draft which intends to include this reference > > [JLS] Gosling, J., Joy, B., Steele, G., and G. Bracha > "The Java > Language Specification", Third Edition, > http://java.sun.com/docs/__books/jls/ > . > > but seems there is no way to write that "Third Edition" thing. > In XML > it's only > > target="http://java.sun.com/__docs/books/jls/ > "> > > The Java Language Specification > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any way I can add it? > > Thanks > Weijun > > > You could try to (ab)use the seriesInfo element. > > Best regards, Julian > > -- > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/__listinfo/tools-discuss > > > Please reports datatracker.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/__ietfdb > > Please reports tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/__issues > or > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > From nobody Mon May 12 06:53:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27891A070E for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 06:53:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nQVJSfMGx020 for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 06:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1211A06FA for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 06:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.90] (50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s4CDrBUp067799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 12 May 2014 06:53:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: hoffman.proper.com: Host 50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90] claimed to be [10.20.30.90] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <537091AC.2030400@oracle.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 06:53:10 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <536F1F43.9000601@oracle.com> <536F37CD.3050107@gmx.de> <537091AC.2030400@oracle.com> To: Weijun Wang X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/8iHyGIMnxyNESNkiopphflPUiJc Cc: Tools Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Edition info in a reference? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 13:53:20 -0000 On May 12, 2014, at 2:17 AM, Weijun Wang wrote: > Then all will be inside "", which looks not really normal. It is perfectly understandable to anyone reading the reference section = of your Internet Draft. That's good enough. --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Tue May 13 09:23:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFD51A0124 for ; Tue, 13 May 2014 09:23:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VyBk7hC2HIbD for ; Tue, 13 May 2014 09:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from che.mayfirst.org (che.mayfirst.org [209.234.253.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705891A0123 for ; Tue, 13 May 2014 09:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.70.10.127] (unknown [38.109.115.130]) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F263EF984 for ; Tue, 13 May 2014 12:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <537246DB.2000207@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 12:22:51 -0400 From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" References: <5371DF0C.7000409@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: <5371DF0C.7000409@cs.tcd.ie> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6+git0.20140323 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <5371DF0C.7000409@cs.tcd.ie> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gAUdNT9wGU7EdWL12EXnKce0Wbvdo8irV" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/JF4RZKx8ozgq1u1kUvKBTpakoFw Subject: [Tools-discuss] more legacy HTTP URLs [Fwd: [perpass] Fwd: BCP 188, RFC 7258 on Pervasive Monitoring Is an Attack] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 16:23:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --gAUdNT9wGU7EdWL12EXnKce0Wbvdo8irV Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030404060006020505050509" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030404060006020505050509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi IETF tools folks-- Stephen Farrell forwarded the announcement below to the perpass list today. It has more legacy URLs that probably should be converted to HTTPS= =2E The message is a new RFC announcement. the URLs that can be converted directly (e.g. s/http/https/) are: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7258.txt http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce http://www.rfc-editor.org/search http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html And the following URL has a conversion that switches the hostname http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist It occurs to me that none of these are tools.ietf.org links, though, so maybe i'm reporting in the wrong place? Feel free to forward my mail to the right place, or to redirect me to wherever is useful. Thanks, --dkg --------------030404060006020505050509 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="[perpass] Fwd: BCP 188, RFC 7258 on Pervasive Monitoring Is an Attack.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename*0="[perpass] Fwd: BCP 188, RFC 7258 on Pervasive Monitoring Is "; filename*1="an Attack.eml" Return-Path: X-Original-To: dkg@terrist.org Delivered-To: mail-dkg@che.mayfirst.org Received: from itihasa.pair.com (itihasa.pair.com [209.68.5.116]) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 05F5CF984 for ; Tue, 13 May 2014 05:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 87442 invoked by uid 3326); 13 May 2014 09:00:04 -0000 Delivered-To: thought-fifthhorseman:net-daniel_gillmor@fifthhorseman.net Received: (qmail 87439 invoked by uid 3326); 13 May 2014 09:00:04 -0000 Delivered-To: thought-fifthhorseman:net-dkg@fifthhorseman.net Received: (qmail 87436 invoked from network); 13 May 2014 09:00:04 -0000 Received: from mailwash12.pair.com (66.39.2.12) by itihasa.pair.com with SMTP; 13 May 2014 09:00:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailwash12.pair.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 759B8C381F for ; Tue, 13 May 2014 05:00:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Check-By: mailwash12.pair.com Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [4.31.198.44]) by mailwash12.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53785C381E for ; Tue, 13 May 2014 05:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBE91A0450; Tue, 13 May 2014 02:00:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ietf.org; s=ietf1; t=1399971606; bh=6NC8EbsqsXMzjcFGEsxVjgDEI7C/KDScHmY0MS07l8c=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:References:In-Reply-To: Subject:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help: List-Subscribe:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender; b=KsNqCNMBqRGsxj/I0jgvFkLf0B3sIS4vdrwry2z9gMt7VEqsS1dUixcn6kg/SrpRM fWSaguPcsmmbQnOH3wDbNKYTn8rY3Q0RTycDqMFDeMOvq3dSv/a/DdtqPl3rIDSuwi oM9r+bVzF20BPWDE17EgZ0qIc456AqLQKc7hDFuw= X-Original-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F9D1A018F for ; Tue, 13 May 2014 02:00:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BSW1USBmvvSr for ; Tue, 13 May 2014 02:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280AF1A0448 for ; Tue, 13 May 2014 02:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6838BE80 for ; Tue, 13 May 2014 09:59:56 +0100 (IST) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J5bYBQSfEUtp for ; Tue, 13 May 2014 09:59:56 +0100 (IST) Received: from [134.226.36.180] (stephen-think.dsg.cs.tcd.ie [134.226.36.180]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 889C9BE6F for ; Tue, 13 May 2014 09:59:56 +0100 (IST) Message-ID: <5371DF0C.7000409@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 09:59:56 +0100 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: perpass References: <20140513044535.3928818000E@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: <20140513044535.3928818000E@rfc-editor.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20140513044535.3928818000E@rfc-editor.org> Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/perpass/nAB-5U6lKhc7GiHAHBs0375G-s8 Subject: [perpass] Fwd: BCP 188, RFC 7258 on Pervasive Monitoring Is an Attack X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: perpass-bounces@ietf.org Sender: "perpass" FYI. Thanks to everyone who contributed, and who is continuing to contribute as we get into the more detailed work... Cheers, S. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: BCP 188, RFC 7258 on Pervasive Monitoring Is an Attack Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 21:45:35 -0700 (PDT) From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org CC: drafts-update-ref@iana.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. BCP 188 RFC 7258 Title: Pervasive Monitoring Is an Attack Author: S. Farrell, H. Tschofenig Status: Best Current Practice Stream: IETF Date: May 2014 Mailbox: stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie, Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net Pages: 6 Characters: 13396 See Also: BCP 188 I-D Tag: draft-farrell-perpass-attack-06.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7258.txt Pervasive monitoring is a technical attack that should be mitigated in the design of IETF protocols, where possible. BCP: This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 16:11:50 -0000 I think this would eliminate a lot of the misunderstanding of the field, = which seems to cause it to get set inappropriately fairly frequently.= From nobody Thu May 15 09:19:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780291A02CD; Thu, 15 May 2014 09:19:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yjv88-Ehcrar; Thu, 15 May 2014 09:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [209.135.209.4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FA51A02A1; Thu, 15 May 2014 09:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53A6F3C006; Thu, 15 May 2014 12:19:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ABHjM6aZX7DD; Thu, 15 May 2014 12:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-96-241-226-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.241.226.168]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF58CF2C0A5; Thu, 15 May 2014 12:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 12:18:57 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <699FE511-B345-47C5-B86F-70ACBEA3535A@vigilsec.com> References: To: Ted Lemon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/rUzuaNVg7aKgEM_opVP1t0WsjCg Cc: The IESG , "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Could we change "consensus" to "IETF consensus" in the datatracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 16:19:48 -0000 To do this, we need a modifier for each of the streams. I think this is = accurate: IETF Stream: IETF consensus IAB stream: IAB consensus IRTF stream: Research Group consensus Independent stream: (never should appear) Russ On May 15, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > I think this would eliminate a lot of the misunderstanding of the = field, which seems to cause it to get set inappropriately fairly = frequently. From nobody Thu May 15 09:21:59 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893811A02D0; Thu, 15 May 2014 09:21:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WZl2oXUpDNSS; Thu, 15 May 2014 09:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com (shell-too.nominum.com [64.89.228.229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FAB61A02A1; Thu, 15 May 2014 09:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E80A1B8345; Thu, 15 May 2014 09:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-02.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BF519005C; Thu, 15 May 2014 09:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.40] (192.168.1.10) by CAS-02.WIN.NOMINUM.COM (192.168.1.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 15 May 2014 09:21:45 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: <699FE511-B345-47C5-B86F-70ACBEA3535A@vigilsec.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 12:21:40 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <5A757EB9-49D3-47BC-8AF8-F486E9F56796@nominum.com> References: <699FE511-B345-47C5-B86F-70ACBEA3535A@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.10] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/TGDy7-JP4W11ZXFsdYneuwh9gg4 Cc: The IESG , "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Could we change "consensus" to "IETF consensus" in the datatracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 16:21:53 -0000 On May 15, 2014, at 12:18 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > IETF Stream: IETF consensus > IAB stream: IAB consensus > IRTF stream: Research Group consensus > Independent stream: (never should appear) Oops, right. Still worth doing, IMHO. From nobody Thu May 15 10:41:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD881A02FE for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 10:41:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZNa-W0AovpiM for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 10:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1CF11A02E6 for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 10:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-173-57-107-66.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.57.107.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s4FHfAOf065533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 12:41:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-173-57-107-66.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.57.107.66] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <5374FC37.2050604@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 12:41:11 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <699FE511-B345-47C5-B86F-70ACBEA3535A@vigilsec.com> <5A757EB9-49D3-47BC-8AF8-F486E9F56796@nominum.com> In-Reply-To: <5A757EB9-49D3-47BC-8AF8-F486E9F56796@nominum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/g8xHe-ksp3xLFXqnF8rcV0aH8-o Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Could we change "consensus" to "IETF consensus" in the datatracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 17:41:20 -0000 I'll capture this as a ticket - it's should be simple to do. RjS On 5/15/14, 11:21 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > On May 15, 2014, at 12:18 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >> IETF Stream: IETF consensus >> IAB stream: IAB consensus >> IRTF stream: Research Group consensus >> Independent stream: (never should appear) > Oops, right. Still worth doing, IMHO. > From nobody Thu May 15 10:59:52 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56761A00E6; Thu, 15 May 2014 10:59:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V4l6NDA84MgV; Thu, 15 May 2014 10:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45C71A008A; Thu, 15 May 2014 10:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6DCBE7B; Thu, 15 May 2014 18:59:39 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gU1yvUEc9tO8; Thu, 15 May 2014 18:59:38 +0100 (IST) Received: from [10.87.48.12] (unknown [86.44.76.166]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0466FBE63; Thu, 15 May 2014 18:59:37 +0100 (IST) Message-ID: <53750089.6090606@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 18:59:37 +0100 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley , Ted Lemon References: <699FE511-B345-47C5-B86F-70ACBEA3535A@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <699FE511-B345-47C5-B86F-70ACBEA3535A@vigilsec.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/AyiNwPki6Ul-Y6bckPsj7jn_EPE Cc: The IESG , "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Could we change "consensus" to "IETF consensus" in the datatracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 17:59:47 -0000 On 15/05/14 17:18, Russ Housley wrote: > IRTF stream: Research Group consensus That could require more than one bit. Or maybe I'm remembering wrong. S. From nobody Sat May 17 08:04:16 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA121A0025 for ; Fri, 16 May 2014 20:17:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.713 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.713 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dFphGrrmeQOT for ; Fri, 16 May 2014 20:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B70211A0020 for ; Fri, 16 May 2014 20:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.90] (50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s4H3Hcxj038929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 16 May 2014 20:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: hoffman.proper.com: Host 50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90] claimed to be [10.20.30.90] From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A7DFE36A-C5A2-43A8-A840-9FFE6213975A" Message-Id: <78AF0A99-4633-4370-B4B5-19DD58118F10@vpnc.org> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 20:17:38 -0700 To: Tools Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/DebhkanrhL0rIMyiR9W0nmMN7Zw X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 17 May 2014 08:04:12 -0700 Subject: [Tools-discuss] A clumsy dialog for the draft submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 03:17:51 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A7DFE36A-C5A2-43A8-A840-9FFE6213975A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings. I'm sending this here instead of submitting a ticket myself = because I can't tell what to label the ticket. I started submitting a draft. The text file had the wrong draft number = it it, so I got the "this looks wrong, you should probably cancel the = submission" page. I clicked the "cancel the submission" button and got = the following dialog: Of course, "Cancel" and "OK" both look like the same answer to "Cancel = the submission". Maybe this should be "No" and "Yes" for this one = dialog. --Paul Hoffman= --Apple-Mail=_A7DFE36A-C5A2-43A8-A840-9FFE6213975A Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A498D773-C8A1-4457-BB58-00E6F9EB083B" --Apple-Mail=_A498D773-C8A1-4457-BB58-00E6F9EB083B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Greetings. I'm sending this here instead of = submitting a ticket myself because I can't tell what to label the = ticket.

I started submitting a draft. The text file = had the wrong draft number it it, so I got the "this looks wrong, you = should probably cancel the submission" page. I clicked the "cancel the = submission" button and got the following = dialog:


Of course, "Cancel" and "OK" both look like the same answer to "Cancel = the submission". Maybe this should be "No" and "Yes" for this one = dialog.

--Paul Hoffman
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paul.hoffman@vpnc.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/PlRkrZ1LmbGSFAbRwNtJOeUV0ZM Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] A clumsy dialog for the draft submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 15:25:12 -0000 On 2014-05-17 05:17 Paul Hoffman said the following: > Greetings. I'm sending this here instead of submitting a ticket myself because I > can't tell what to label the ticket. You don't need to label the ticket. Sending it here instead adds to the workload for everyone, and makes it less likely that the issue will be remembered and resolved. > I started submitting a draft. The text file had the wrong draft number it it, so > I got the "this looks wrong, you should probably cancel the submission" page. I > clicked the "cancel the submission" button and got the following dialog: > > > Of course, "Cancel" and "OK" both look like the same answer to "Cancel the > submission". Maybe this should be "No" and "Yes" for this one dialog. That seems reasonable. Henrik From nobody Sat May 17 08:32:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC181A010B for ; Sat, 17 May 2014 08:32:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EdSHmV7FIYkQ for ; Sat, 17 May 2014 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC2EC1A00FE for ; Sat, 17 May 2014 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.90] (50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s4HFWP0n067484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 17 May 2014 08:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: hoffman.proper.com: Host 50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90] claimed to be [10.20.30.90] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <53777F4E.9090507@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 08:32:24 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <87C8FE65-37CA-4457-8432-A844EAAAA49E@vpnc.org> References: <78AF0A99-4633-4370-B4B5-19DD58118F10@vpnc.org> <53777F4E.9090507@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/i7yK0IQvDL-BCTifpMj33YoAL3M Cc: Tools Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] A clumsy dialog for the draft submission tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 15:32:31 -0000 On May 17, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Henrik Levkowetz = wrote: >=20 > On 2014-05-17 05:17 Paul Hoffman said the following: >> Greetings. I'm sending this here instead of submitting a ticket = myself because I=20 >> can't tell what to label the ticket. >=20 > You don't need to label the ticket. Sending it here instead adds to = the > workload for everyone, and makes it less likely that the issue will be > remembered and resolved. That seems reasonable. But it also seems reasonable that submitting a = ticket with no label would be instantly lost. --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Mon May 19 18:57:07 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F42361A0239 for ; Mon, 19 May 2014 18:57:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y7Q4opv3Uv_J for ; Mon, 19 May 2014 18:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com (shell-too.nominum.com [64.89.228.229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F0941A022B for ; Mon, 19 May 2014 18:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98A51B80B7 for ; Mon, 19 May 2014 18:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-02.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC4C19005C for ; Mon, 19 May 2014 18:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.40] (192.168.1.10) by CAS-02.WIN.NOMINUM.COM (192.168.1.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Mon, 19 May 2014 18:57:04 -0700 From: Ted Lemon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <5BE2E8FD-CBE7-4896-9A57-3256CD6879DC@nominum.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 21:56:56 -0400 To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.10] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/6v1mDIbSD2CqNlEoTMdxEJ_2eH0 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Mailing list moderation hooks X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 01:57:06 -0000 Is there a hook in the mailing list software that allows a specific = email address to be marked "moderate for the next 30 days?" From nobody Tue May 20 05:38:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B991A1A06DA for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 05:38:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FX1jOJfUso45 for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 05:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311A61A06D9 for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 05:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.resistor.net (IDENT:sm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s4KCbxtO028359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 May 2014 05:38:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1400589485; bh=YUSpRJS7xEArzW1VJQhOiYnlKw+iwG2WtAw3KEiHNsw=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=O41lGXl4fTaP3/mLT+ohpA/0Yb67vPLrfvkZOtEgfF4axgGW21rFaJlGZHJko4ujv z+JSdY57owgsGz2ng0WL3T7OKWESMEd8CNRTeumkfQJRmi82FpSXqp8AcnZ8ZRfdbe 3GFnUsHO0CTjoDIeTdvD0hc3LPBH1MNsC/fEN6FU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=resistor.net; s=mail; t=1400589485; i=@resistor.net; bh=YUSpRJS7xEArzW1VJQhOiYnlKw+iwG2WtAw3KEiHNsw=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=1Xkh7HYJppbms9emGVK0u63tt2gfuvhrRTDd2g5T2XiAlTDNv+4InDTXTdBhHNt6L BrTcSJhFQ/A7VGTtnhZ/wWfBYjnEMEYeSmDIvgC6uNnJ4Iab22Km8gf1D9Js7Es4Mx id7WNKA0eoEr4CB9Kgiwfk2bOF5G7maQs9108MKk= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20140520053120.0b23de88@resistor.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 05:37:23 -0700 To: Ted Lemon , tools-discuss@ietf.org From: SM In-Reply-To: <5BE2E8FD-CBE7-4896-9A57-3256CD6879DC@nominum.com> References: <5BE2E8FD-CBE7-4896-9A57-3256CD6879DC@nominum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/nUF5Bgacxc6Ad6QMnJIur1c7iYw Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Mailing list moderation hooks X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 12:38:06 -0000 Hi Ted, At 18:56 19-05-2014, Ted Lemon wrote: >Is there a hook in the mailing list software that allows a specific >email address to be marked "moderate for the next 30 days?" No. Trac has a reminder plugin. I don't think that can be integrated into the current version of Mailman. Regards, -sm From nobody Tue May 20 16:26:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4411A03AE for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 16:26:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.851 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.851 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fNs2Vp-OXYJ6 for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 16:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vapor.isi.edu (vapor.isi.edu [128.9.64.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7D381A03AB for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 16:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.9.160.166] (abc.isi.edu [128.9.160.166]) (authenticated bits=0) by vapor.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s4KNPWVL022507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 20 May 2014 16:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <537BE46C.3020906@isi.edu> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:25:32 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <468A517D.1020700@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <468A517D.1020700@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/9uDiTOy7Zorw65WsMRndRHCVynA Cc: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.13.00 feedback - false boilerplate error X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 23:26:45 -0000 Hi, all, I was helping someone with the Word template, and got the following incorrect error. It seems that ID-NITS insists on the BSD-license variant of the copyright statement, even when a doc has no code or code-like components. It would be useful to change this to a warning of "are you sure" instead. I'm not aware that even IETF-stream docs need the BSD-license variant if they lack code. Joe -------------------------------------------------------------- Checking boilerplate required by RFC 5378 and the IETF Trust (see http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info): ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** The document seems to lack a License Notice according IETF Trust Provisions of 28 Dec 2009, Section 6.b.i or Provisions of 12 Sep 2009 Section 6.b -- however, there's a paragraph with a matching beginning. Boilerplate error? IETF Trust Legal Provisions of 28-dec-2009, Section 6.b(i), paragraph 3: This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal Provisions Relating to IETF Documents (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with respect to this document. Code Components extracted from this document must include Simplified BSD License text as described in Section 4.e of the Trust Legal Provisions and are provided without warranty as described in the Simplified BSD License. ... text found in draft: This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal Provisions Relating to IETF Documents (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with respect to this document. .......................................................^ -- It seems you're using the 'non-IETF stream' Licence Notice instead From nobody Tue May 20 23:53:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E901A045A for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 23:53:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UE-NIb1zS89O for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 23:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA256 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1F411A02E2 for ; Tue, 20 May 2014 23:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([93.217.102.48]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MarNa-1WTgIb2OnS-00KNaJ; Wed, 21 May 2014 08:53:31 +0200 Message-ID: <537C4D65.60509@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 08:53:25 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Touch , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <468A517D.1020700@cisco.com> <537BE46C.3020906@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <537BE46C.3020906@isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:1o6JHw6y8aqY5LPCG+9BwQKqHgNUvpBMsPWv1XZor/KwWei63vM C6FS/N0QoCqydORBctlzC/h1Eny8+V8K++zeoxbKonZe+l7q+rcOdyxpbldVUUsahvLDvsR LtpDxDNk7ntpiC2dPoq8AstQIKksRWGuD2ElD0zdMmObE2kbELNrB1llumeNJrcLxDyzFDF iwz5hzyim/YMVlT2ONozA== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/SVOSDiR-JesvtTz4UQNmWV51ils Cc: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.13.00 feedback - false boilerplate error X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 06:53:47 -0000 On 2014-05-21 01:25, Joe Touch wrote: > Hi, all, > > I was helping someone with the Word template, and got the following > incorrect error. It seems that ID-NITS insists on the BSD-license > variant of the copyright statement, even when a doc has no code or > code-like components. > > It would be useful to change this to a warning of "are you sure" > instead. I'm not aware that even IETF-stream docs need the BSD-license > variant if they lack code. > > Joe > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Checking boilerplate required by RFC 5378 and the IETF Trust (see > http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info): > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ** The document seems to lack a License Notice according IETF Trust > Provisions of 28 Dec 2009, Section 6.b.i or Provisions of 12 Sep 2009 > Section 6.b -- however, there's a paragraph with a matching > beginning. > Boilerplate error? > > IETF Trust Legal Provisions of 28-dec-2009, Section 6.b(i), > paragraph 3: > This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal > Provisions > Relating to IETF Documents (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) > in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please > review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights > and restrictions with respect to this document. Code Components > extracted from this document must include Simplified BSD License > text as described in Section 4.e of the Trust Legal Provisions > and are provided without warranty as described in the Simplified > BSD License. > > ... text found in draft: > This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal > Provisions > Relating to IETF Documents (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) > in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please > review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights > and restrictions with respect to this document. > .......................................................^ > > > -- It seems you're using the 'non-IETF stream' Licence Notice instead , Section 6b (*) doesn't make this conditional on code actually being present. Best regards, Julian (*) Why oh why are these official documents generated from Word, leading to no usable anchors??? From nobody Wed May 21 09:48:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6551A0776 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 09:48:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.851 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.851 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7c_Zf3_ZC8mX for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 09:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vapor.isi.edu (vapor.isi.edu [128.9.64.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19C5B1A070A for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 09:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.9.160.166] (abc.isi.edu [128.9.160.166]) (authenticated bits=0) by vapor.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s4LGmGlL009467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 21 May 2014 09:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <537CD8D0.2010108@isi.edu> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 09:48:16 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <468A517D.1020700@cisco.com> <537BE46C.3020906@isi.edu> <537C4D65.60509@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <537C4D65.60509@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/-2M8k6-htI6Lq7w4oeVeD1wJipw Cc: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.13.00 feedback - false boilerplate error X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 16:48:32 -0000 On 5/20/2014 11:53 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2014-05-21 01:25, Joe Touch wrote: >> Hi, all, >> >> I was helping someone with the Word template, and got the following >> incorrect error. It seems that ID-NITS insists on the BSD-license >> variant of the copyright statement, even when a doc has no code or >> code-like components. >> >> It would be useful to change this to a warning of "are you sure" >> instead. I'm not aware that even IETF-stream docs need the BSD-license >> variant if they lack code. >> >> Joe >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Checking boilerplate required by RFC 5378 and the IETF Trust (see >> http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info): >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> ** The document seems to lack a License Notice according IETF Trust >> Provisions of 28 Dec 2009, Section 6.b.i or Provisions of 12 Sep >> 2009 >> Section 6.b -- however, there's a paragraph with a matching >> beginning. >> Boilerplate error? >> >> IETF Trust Legal Provisions of 28-dec-2009, Section 6.b(i), >> paragraph 3: >> This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal >> Provisions >> Relating to IETF Documents >> (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) >> in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please >> review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights >> and restrictions with respect to this document. Code Components >> extracted from this document must include Simplified BSD License >> text as described in Section 4.e of the Trust Legal Provisions >> and are provided without warranty as described in the Simplified >> BSD License. >> >> ... text found in draft: >> This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal >> Provisions >> Relating to IETF Documents >> (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) >> in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please >> review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights >> and restrictions with respect to this document. >> .......................................................^ >> >> >> -- It seems you're using the 'non-IETF stream' Licence Notice instead > > , Section 6b (*) > doesn't make this conditional on code actually being present. Ahh. I should have known. Nonsensical, as expected. > Best regards, Julian > > (*) Why oh why are these official documents generated from Word, leading > to no usable anchors??? See RFC5385. The template supports a currently-permitted ID and RFC submission format. Also, there are plenty of usable anchors that are easily and automatically derived; see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5385 or http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-touch-tcp-ao-encrypt-00 Joe From nobody Wed May 21 10:03:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CDE1A0875 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:03:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uE8lvKEsHbwq for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C4651A085D for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-173-57-107-66.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.57.107.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s4LH3YTr022668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 12:03:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-173-57-107-66.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.57.107.66] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <537CDC66.3020204@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 12:03:34 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <468A517D.1020700@cisco.com> <537BE46C.3020906@isi.edu> <537C4D65.60509@gmx.de> <537CD8D0.2010108@isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <537CD8D0.2010108@isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/0bSbKOE3IFZa3_gxB0rzfZf7F9s Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.13.00 feedback - false boilerplate error X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 17:03:37 -0000 On 5/21/14, 11:48 AM, Joe Touch wrote: > > > On 5/20/2014 11:53 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> On 2014-05-21 01:25, Joe Touch wrote: >>> Hi, all, >>> >>> I was helping someone with the Word template, and got the following >>> incorrect error. It seems that ID-NITS insists on the BSD-license >>> variant of the copyright statement, even when a doc has no code or >>> code-like components. >>> >>> It would be useful to change this to a warning of "are you sure" >>> instead. I'm not aware that even IETF-stream docs need the BSD-license >>> variant if they lack code. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Checking boilerplate required by RFC 5378 and the IETF Trust (see >>> http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info): >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ** The document seems to lack a License Notice according IETF Trust >>> Provisions of 28 Dec 2009, Section 6.b.i or Provisions of 12 Sep >>> 2009 >>> Section 6.b -- however, there's a paragraph with a matching >>> beginning. >>> Boilerplate error? >>> >>> IETF Trust Legal Provisions of 28-dec-2009, Section 6.b(i), >>> paragraph 3: >>> This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal >>> Provisions >>> Relating to IETF Documents >>> (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) >>> in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please >>> review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights >>> and restrictions with respect to this document. Code >>> Components >>> extracted from this document must include Simplified BSD >>> License >>> text as described in Section 4.e of the Trust Legal Provisions >>> and are provided without warranty as described in the >>> Simplified >>> BSD License. >>> >>> ... text found in draft: >>> This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal >>> Provisions >>> Relating to IETF Documents >>> (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) >>> in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please >>> review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights >>> and restrictions with respect to this document. >>> .......................................................^ >>> >>> >>> -- It seems you're using the 'non-IETF stream' Licence Notice >>> instead >> >> , Section 6b (*) >> doesn't make this conditional on code actually being present. > > Ahh. I should have known. Nonsensical, as expected. > >> Best regards, Julian >> >> (*) Why oh why are these official documents generated from Word, leading >> to no usable anchors??? > > See RFC5385. You missed Julian's point. He was talking about the TLP, not IDs. > > The template supports a currently-permitted ID and RFC submission format. > > Also, there are plenty of usable anchors that are easily and > automatically derived; see > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5385 or > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-touch-tcp-ao-encrypt-00 > > Joe > From nobody Wed May 21 10:07:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1271A0679 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:07:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BRxVCXGYw3OO for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com (shell-too.nominum.com [64.89.228.229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCCCF1A048D for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C301B806B for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-02.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22FED19005C for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.40] (192.168.1.10) by CAS-02.WIN.NOMINUM.COM (192.168.1.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:07:02 -0700 From: Ted Lemon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 13:07:00 -0400 To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.10] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/eoyGjNy8JChYx7UCTVZJ9YjEVjk Subject: [Tools-discuss] Unable to add Sheng Jiang as dhc working group secretary X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 17:07:05 -0000 He's already in the datatracker, but when I type his name into the = secretary field in the edit working group page for the dhc working = group, it can't find him, and it won't let me add him without finding = him. What am I doing wrong? From nobody Wed May 21 10:17:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0156F1A070A for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:17:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q0Y5p9LTsVn5 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB9541A01E1 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-173-57-107-66.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.57.107.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s4LHH3pQ023817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 12:17:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-173-57-107-66.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.57.107.66] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <537CDF8F.1000507@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 12:17:03 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/EPicSkAMoPqTTxxQZDAp7ewdphI Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Unable to add Sheng Jiang as dhc working group secretary X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 17:17:06 -0000 It's working for me. I'll find you on IM and work it out. RjS On 5/21/14, 12:07 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > He's already in the datatracker, but when I type his name into the secretary field in the edit working group page for the dhc working group, it can't find him, and it won't let me add him without finding him. > > What am I doing wrong? > From nobody Wed May 21 10:22:28 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A851A084A for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:22:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JPcX6y8puYxl for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com (shell-too.nominum.com [64.89.228.229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 980F71A0875 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CC01B81BB for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-02.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA0319005C; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.40] (192.168.1.10) by CAS-02.WIN.NOMINUM.COM (192.168.1.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:22:15 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: <537CDF8F.1000507@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 13:22:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <6CAB50B7-4A04-43F1-81CF-613A041FB86A@nominum.com> References: <537CDF8F.1000507@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.10] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/nkQMf-mhhPgxd4Q7lKSDVKhX6Ng Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Unable to add Sheng Jiang as dhc working group secretary X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 17:22:25 -0000 On May 21, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > I'll find you on IM and work it out. OK. I wasn't signed in, but now am. From nobody Wed May 21 10:25:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DCE1A0895 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.851 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.851 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wcUWAJ1lRgRG for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vapor.isi.edu (vapor.isi.edu [128.9.64.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF7761A0894 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 10:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.9.160.166] (abc.isi.edu [128.9.160.166]) (authenticated bits=0) by vapor.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s4LHNUvg020617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 21 May 2014 10:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <537CE112.1090102@isi.edu> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 10:23:30 -0700 From: Joe Touch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Sparks , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <468A517D.1020700@cisco.com> <537BE46C.3020906@isi.edu> <537C4D65.60509@gmx.de> <537CD8D0.2010108@isi.edu> <537CDC66.3020204@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <537CDC66.3020204@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/se20V_qBovGYiLmbPLMXcjZrty4 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.13.00 feedback - false boilerplate error X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 17:25:01 -0000 On 5/21/2014 10:03 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > > On 5/21/14, 11:48 AM, Joe Touch wrote: >> >> >> On 5/20/2014 11:53 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: ... >>> , Section 6b (*) >>> doesn't make this conditional on code actually being present. >> >> Ahh. I should have known. Nonsensical, as expected. >> >>> Best regards, Julian >>> >>> (*) Why oh why are these official documents generated from Word, leading >>> to no usable anchors??? >> >> See RFC5385. > > You missed Julian's point. He was talking about the TLP, not IDs. I did. To his point, then: Word generates HTML (and PDF) with anchors just fine. The fault lies in how the web page content was generated, not the authoring software. Joe From nobody Wed May 21 12:50:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945EA1A0850 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 12:50:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.356 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.356 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wuM-SwRYY0M4 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 12:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a111.g.dreamhost.com (sub4.mail.dreamhost.com [69.163.253.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F9C1A083F for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 12:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a111.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a111.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DA520046B15 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 12:50:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; s= cryptonector.com; bh=P9gAFX/mLhE0OVUT+JRlt7O1kzY=; b=Ki9NTfAu/dz 4EVZAV4t842/zgtNmhcVooI44M+XfY1WD6cBsCcATM1heiOrHfO6XoJLVasPiEd7 jE6wb3yUOPkTNQ5qv1s52jxAZMlXEpBvhkUkn9PYQVhnuZqkASDoTvEzZM09LHUT vM1+LaojHbl2IZPQv0Jc9s0F4jDpfG1M= Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a111.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 989D620047D32 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 12:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id bs8so8900146wib.3 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 12:50:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.108.146 with SMTP id hk18mr3900595wib.42.1400701807129; Wed, 21 May 2014 12:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.29.200 with HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2014 12:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 14:50:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/9yelgadQHW-JDTi_Sni1UyV3tfY Subject: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 19:50:10 -0000 Are there mirrors? From nobody Wed May 21 14:12:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CC91A077C for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:11:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kbv7ij3isRsz for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E9891A076C for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:11:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s4LLBU64000319; Wed, 21 May 2014 23:11:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.145] (p5489355A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.137.53.90]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F4180112C; Wed, 21 May 2014 23:11:29 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 23:11:27 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 422399487.689933-d1946f5d16e35802f35b1b2c5c6802d1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3BB4846B-08AB-4356-8396-9E2E3245B5E5@tzi.org> References: To: Nico Williams X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/l395froTU4r3O84sR-zbWmUmHT8 Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 21:11:58 -0000 On 21 May 2014, at 21:50, Nico Williams wrote: > Are there mirrors? I think this is a great question =97 a disruption of this service = creates an emergency for RFC writers relying on references pointing = there out of their documents. (Kramdown-rfc2629 has a =93standalone=94 = mode to reduce this dependency, but even this requires that the access = worked at least once.) Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From nobody Wed May 21 14:27:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A1F1A02D1 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:27:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.044 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.044 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vgEgUJJUI7rc for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a34.g.dreamhost.com (sub4.mail.dreamhost.com [69.163.253.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C7A1A0090 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a34.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a34.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DA810062 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:27:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=JOwOP6/L6dh3klbNxGWQ KMbkRks=; b=Zbxt3NeChoPX9cv3Tokwnc4sNfsCcbeGrKxOTjuCHko0U7LCsHG3 en0vEjBDt5aT9yTG/DWiSTGGn9GSfZKbMaN5hgdPzd59hoFKemQUqPthg8zjDAFB qIL2AoaShdO2ubUmXFZkfB/LePbzpLBy5FMrwHGta3WYVhIJZ3iSdlE= Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com (mail-we0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a34.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A7B121005D for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id w62so2620770wes.16 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:27:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.186.8 with SMTP id fg8mr12584488wic.39.1400707639521; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.29.200 with HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:27:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3BB4846B-08AB-4356-8396-9E2E3245B5E5@tzi.org> References: <3BB4846B-08AB-4356-8396-9E2E3245B5E5@tzi.org> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 16:27:19 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/bTsewO6Qw1xP0pzzEqsltyj0qSs Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 21:27:22 -0000 I could (and have, in a past life) build a cache for xml2rfc, but you're right that without mirrors one would be stuck when using a not-yet-cached reference. Redundancy for this service strikes me as useful, if not critical. Not critical, perhaps, only because I-D/RFC formatting is hardly an urgent sort of task. But in so far as it can be a high priority task for some people, and in so far as someone _owns_ responsibility for this infrastructure, this is critical. Nico -- From nobody Wed May 21 14:29:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C9B1A02D1 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:29:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.044 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.044 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VgVRr4BAr226 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a96.g.dreamhost.com (sub4.mail.dreamhost.com [69.163.253.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6F91A0090 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a96.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a96.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180D33B805C for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:29:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=k/EBULLgQhQ6DctpSr1N/ug bOfE=; b=hz01rM6iSkG7U9qDo8oluAW+89IdJ64zNwoBnYTRx0YhWCVUJyQSh1g bzLdxQl5plQH92sJkEKwbBe3o1ZsCXcupgFN/cgC/+yjSBQNCcVM2ux1Dlm+wwW0 WJNn9rPkbQ3PcO1WcLE9WBKA934pXzqgP6f/EPUe/dcLDggCcF7g= Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com (mail-wi0-f176.google.com [209.85.212.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a96.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BE5533B8059 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id n15so8323679wiw.3 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:29:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.185.244 with SMTP id ff20mr12701528wic.42.1400707773550; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.29.200 with HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2014 14:29:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3BB4846B-08AB-4356-8396-9E2E3245B5E5@tzi.org> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 16:29:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/FLV7CRgvEyrXA8EhkswLSpksn58 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 21:29:39 -0000 Also, support for using mirrors needs to be built right into xml2rfc, otherwise switching to a mirror would require either a special-use proxy or editing our I-Ds. Canned, published references really should be URNs, with a simple location algorithm. Nico -- From nobody Wed May 21 16:06:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998C31A03C7 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:06:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.044 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.044 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IUBl0A4Sbn-k for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a104.g.dreamhost.com (sub4.mail.dreamhost.com [69.163.253.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A551A019E for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a104.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a104.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0AB2007F228 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:06:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=Eyy7WgzZSCi2aC2GmYXD6eV lYdI=; b=LScsxnhshQMTLZP0bgfadNj+WoehsrevsHpNNoDhBSn1YrNdKXZulWv cGrTNSDe5gEFhY51A8Ayqu9N38F317sU79jE40AAmq6laJ4Mf/F9s2Y/G7bMDwC9 9cqfTPH8N7ONVBgniPXxiss/SdDJp5yv5E4RdaY1azM6F09bIZ80= Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a104.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 409282007F21C for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f182.google.com with SMTP id r20so3482694wiv.9 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:06:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.77.225 with SMTP id v1mr12914403wiw.5.1400713609079; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.29.200 with HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:06:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 18:06:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/xVLHMJp0afpX_3UswDKeoWlPcwo Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 23:06:52 -0000 Does anyone even know where to report this problem, if not here? Or, alternatively, could someone acknowledge this problem? From nobody Wed May 21 16:10:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E463E1A03DC for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:10:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TVD_MIME_NO_HEADERS=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RkZJN_fp2I0I for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.252.184]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31DC71A03C9 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2362002B; Wed, 21 May 2014 19:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 2837563B1E; Wed, 21 May 2014 19:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB1E63AB2; Wed, 21 May 2014 19:10:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Nico Williams In-Reply-To: References: <3BB4846B-08AB-4356-8396-9E2E3245B5E5@tzi.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/q2LMEUtmET-QxDBVr_XUg_izQeo Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 23:10:15 -0000 --=-=-= Nico Williams wrote: > Canned, published references really should be URNs, with a simple > location algorithm. AGREED!!!!! Perhaps ISOC/IAOC could be convinced to fund some code to URNs easier to deploy. I had a mirror at http://www.sandelman.ca/public/xml/rfc/bibxml3/ http://www.sandelman.ca/public/xml/rfc/bibxml/ but, I think that the rsync started to break, so I may have turned it off awhile back. Hmm. It is possible I have two copies: /ssw/docs/public/xml /ssw/docs/public/xml/rfc /ssw/docs/public/xml/rfc/bibxml3 /ssw/docs/public/xml/rfc/bibxml /ssw/docs/public/id /ssw/docs/public/id/bibxml /ssw/docs/public/rfc /ssw/docs/public/rfc/idxml /ssw/docs/public/rfc/bibxml3 /ssw/docs/public/rfc/bibxml Yes, second copy is older, removing it. Yup, newest file is over a year old: -rw-rw-r-- 1 mcr richardson 822 Jan 17 2013 reference.RFC.6861.xml Hard to debug the rsync when the origin is down, sadly. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBU30yUoCLcPvd0N1lAQJEiwf/XWLgRZ8Vle0+w+jmgnQmwJWTetG6wOtX AAt4JP67VMDzAKrzJX2rBDN/TPxwvwsmaw+Jv0sYIKP+kGT/Ip20fZfBtm2Ziyap om13RwU13EHq5WqsVfyXz51hI7zhIunYb7st6GOGa2V+jrog3U/SjIdqfqHh/2tp Gw/WF8wp+XTbsRsc8gRDWGb24T5unHqQPC3pFY4r60dnsCR5OSKwkxnr3UgZIuX+ gwRT4ZBsSnjtWYPo/cF2HRsFdTrJWUsF+8V7+cnA7MjMKdKHObnP/PIDSnZapAra l3CDwqx+xLAfF10xHoAqPRRHHPCQUdGXlHKLs1qfJgeuJfV3ofNMyA== =oEW3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed May 21 16:27:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690C21A03EB for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:27:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e4KXS1ajJX-E for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x234.google.com (mail-ie0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18AF31A03E8 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id tp5so2779015ieb.11 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:27:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=w3MaGfHuU1/Lwslf7Mi7V2qig1WpxRDY1WG1QVsOJ9s=; b=NdD/SeeGE6iVpx8C2++4AubGik64opRS2SGRrk5h4FK5pZmhXIYRRWQVBO2TewPXxt dUj272w65T52kmG1K1WrxG8NZuETEAcrzRhvayy1yC5fF4k2XR0w2qnI9/0yECe7BOkb yt+22ppiuZ1J9+5rlVfAs/Q3dknIW6Y36SaSl2u+2qL+PxvWzDGDKgpQ1yH1vwkWhvz8 G6/okCh/NcUbyvXiFJy4voGIB7+ZBAEaS+3LyVdR4IjvhiFVeH9vV2PsIMURLQK4kan5 4PLWwNHJp/+AbFlw9fm4ZhU11WgSMoPeFwKyMKLvaY9q3UTgbcgGA0Ai7ZMVaJ5Nsmwl 5g+A== X-Received: by 10.50.50.231 with SMTP id f7mr17381639igo.42.1400714830840; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.224.219] ([209.97.127.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g1sm8698827igt.14.2014.05.21.16.27.06 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 21 May 2014 16:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2E63A015-BC5A-4630-8311-BABFF3B47D94"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <2461.1400713811@sandelman.ca> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 16:27:05 -0700 Message-Id: References: <3BB4846B-08AB-4356-8396-9E2E3245B5E5@tzi.org> <2461.1400713811@sandelman.ca> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/ir94ASvinwRb1gLGrR-1BPOGsiM Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 23:27:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2E63A015-BC5A-4630-8311-BABFF3B47D94 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Michael, On May 21, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Michael Richardson = wrote: >=20 > Nico Williams wrote: >> Canned, published references really should be URNs, with a simple >> location algorithm. >=20 > AGREED!!!!! > Perhaps ISOC/IAOC could be convinced to fund some code to URNs easier = to deploy. You make it sound like this is the problem. The IAOC has been funding = many tools development projects. Bob --Apple-Mail=_2E63A015-BC5A-4630-8311-BABFF3B47D94 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJTfTZJAAoJEK7rdBF357uoJBEH/0LkShsBUVphykYIRbuL1qsT xUliTHloPgOOfNYbXiT1ji5ldV2eA4z+RlJSP+1b4V5cCxCTxuRTX2nPt6zIXie+ bkh2bV6ERXPsEudt2FhSo0J/84ZHsAMryJ1/YTIaCJK9sU7G8gOdo4Gr2eaBlI1b ujUS9HxTk0TzQ5ynRKIXZyzv76mONgSVH/XXD6FsgEkSqmu7yhJMDh35Lt2YbNU3 taddtn0TzkwHLHz02C/DxNokHQJ6ku/fmCxUexUw5xfdeEnxbqWnLZ7q9hmNBMDm maf7sRQBM6PY+iGlkuCIwTvXa96xmrKwfi/Dj/gIuFZxqR9kC+v1/nH/f916akk= =j704 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_2E63A015-BC5A-4630-8311-BABFF3B47D94-- From nobody Wed May 21 16:57:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220341A06B2 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:57:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.044 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.044 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jm2o6uTkaPWi for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (sub4.mail.dreamhost.com [69.163.253.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1475A1A06B1 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A449594061 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:57:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=ayAo+zhz9OkiYByVUOph alGp6+o=; b=dYn/WFYFk4rO/Z4bzb8HDBeAhVnyZ7PPxqStcV4Du4SwE62EssB+ K5SY9bCvmbN4fzs0jceNbk1Sc3MeK+FpviRB57tOSiK8rtneJYCS2nPq1HWRqBTj 0LeGUEzm3Mna4XCIHfRyIK8j12v8HrpMOf6qgMEDjI54fl0ADHI0Wzk= Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com (mail-wi0-f176.google.com [209.85.212.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CF294594059 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id n15so8449547wiw.3 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:56:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.58.79 with SMTP id o15mr20055644wjq.62.1400716618602; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.29.200 with HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2014 16:56:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3BB4846B-08AB-4356-8396-9E2E3245B5E5@tzi.org> <2461.1400713811@sandelman.ca> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 18:56:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Bob Hinden Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/C-x3PKsIRQbKUfDymFznP01FM-4 Cc: Michael Richardson , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 23:57:02 -0000 On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Michael, > > On May 21, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > >> >> Nico Williams wrote: >>> Canned, published references really should be URNs, with a simple >>> location algorithm. >> >> AGREED!!!!! >> Perhaps ISOC/IAOC could be convinced to fund some code to URNs easier to deploy. > > You make it sound like this is the problem. The IAOC has been funding many tools development projects. I doubt that was Michael's intention. There is a technical problem. Whether the IAOC can be convinced to fund work on it is a separate issue. We only want the technical issue addressed and it doesn't matter that much whether it gets funded by the IAOC, as long as it happens at all. We need to start with: a URN scheme for RFCs (there is one) and I-Ds (there isn't one to my knowledge), or perhaps a URN scheme for _references_ to them (though to me resolving these URNs to the document or a reference bibxml file does not require indicating which of those to resolve to via the URN itself). Then we need xml2rfc to support these. Nico -- From nobody Wed May 21 21:56:00 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3871A00BE for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 21:55:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ytmpM7I8hTM0 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 21:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp03.att.com (egssmtp03.att.com [144.160.128.152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FF81A0015 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 21:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp03.att.com ( egs 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s4M4tsYm019920 for ; Wed, 21 May 2014 21:55:56 -0700 Received: from vpn-135-70-98-173.vpn.swst.att.com ([135.70.98.173]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140522045553gw100j0c11e>; Thu, 22 May 2014 04:55:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.98.173] Message-ID: <537D8358.5090209@att.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 00:55:52 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/BOR3MMN_VXdEyNROx4sUhoc6y_s Cc: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 04:55:59 -0000 xml.resource.org is hosted on one of the tools.ietf.org servers. It is indeed down, or at least not responding. Tony Hansen On 5/21/14, 7:06 PM, Nico Williams wrote: > Does anyone even know where to report this problem, if not here? Or, > alternatively, could someone acknowledge this problem? From nobody Thu May 22 00:27:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E4E1A011F for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 00:27:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A3e4V-TUgyWw for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 00:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx11.netapp.com (mx11.netapp.com [216.240.18.76]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECA251A0123 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 00:27:53 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.98,885,1392192000"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="124571576" Received: from vmwexceht04-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.34]) by mx11-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 22 May 2014 00:27:52 -0700 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.246]) by vmwexceht04-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.34]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Thu, 22 May 2014 00:27:52 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Tony Hansen Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down Thread-Index: AQHPdS3yXEUu0ZRgRUOkpHY7aZAVuptMHa2AgABhhgCAACp0gA== Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 07:27:50 +0000 Message-ID: <7A814A33-4497-4320-AD87-64B26E586960@netapp.com> References: <537D8358.5090209@att.com> In-Reply-To: <537D8358.5090209@att.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.11] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5B93EACE-D5B4-43C2-9A82-BAC2A56560CF"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/vlZERJQF41puzHDzzVoVF3Z9tVc Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 07:27:56 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5B93EACE-D5B4-43C2-9A82-BAC2A56560CF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On 2014-5-22, at 6:55, Tony Hansen wrote: > xml.resource.org is hosted on one of the tools.ietf.org servers. It is = indeed down, or at least not responding. I've been in contact with Henrik yesterday and he was trying to revive = the box. The real issue is that the IETF doesn't control resource.org, and so we = cannot simply point xml.resource.org at another mirror. We need to move = critical service to domains which we control. Lars --Apple-Mail=_5B93EACE-D5B4-43C2-9A82-BAC2A56560CF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBU32m9tZcnpRveo1xAQIZagP+LSwDxjDFRu90/SOz+c9z13+6e950gYeM 7wkQJSpd17COnwiTTQePn/2BclC94o+WT10+fRrf6oHO4qFypnfhGrKOYeBkfhpK aNPEhA1X9kAOipeWWto1MwEvOKbPbiX8x4GqCQIwNXFtVNqQQ8Mjg0z2+zus8ZAJ kVTkm9Dei44= =NjPM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_5B93EACE-D5B4-43C2-9A82-BAC2A56560CF-- From nobody Thu May 22 00:51:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A6F1A0125 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 00:51:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.045 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.045 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.793, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QmVUEYSgVe_t for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 00:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41BAB1A011B for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 00:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h25n7-s-oev-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com ([81.229.146.25] helo=vigonier.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WnNmn-0004c8-2Q; Thu, 22 May 2014 00:51:33 -0700 Message-ID: <537DAC7A.3050403@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:51:22 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen , Tools Team Discussion References: <537D8358.5090209@att.com> In-Reply-To: <537D8358.5090209@att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.229.146.25 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/LviV8uhbsuP3aEr-QuLw73ZD3jU Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 07:51:35 -0000 Hi Nico, Tony, On 2014-05-22 06:55 Tony Hansen said the following: > xml.resource.org is hosted on one of the tools.ietf.org servers. It is > indeed down, or at least not responding. > > Tony Hansen > > On 5/21/14, 7:06 PM, Nico Williams wrote: >> Does anyone even know where to report this problem, if not here? Or, >> alternatively, could someone acknowledge this problem? Last time we had the problem that a tools server had trouble, and I shifted all the services to another machine, it took some time to get xml.resource.org re-pointed, because I don't have the ability to touch that DNS record myself. Same thing this time. I suggest we start moving away from using a non-IETF dns address for this *NOW*. I believe I suggested the same the last time we had this problem. There's a copy of the service running at xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org, which is an address I re-pointed as soon as I had moved the services over to another tools machine. I offered to host a copy of what was on the original xml.resource.org a number of years ago, but never intended the tools copy to be the only one up. When Marshall's machine went out of circulation, it was left as the only one up, however, and I'd dearly love to get this moved over to one of the servers run by the secretariat. Best regards, Henrik From nobody Thu May 22 01:50:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FFD1A015C; Thu, 22 May 2014 01:50:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9-ayEDk6eks6; Thu, 22 May 2014 01:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1lp0144.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.144]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 218FC1A0156; Thu, 22 May 2014 01:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BY2PR03CA073.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.249.46) by BY2PR03MB457.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.141.141) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.944.11; Thu, 22 May 2014 08:50:28 +0000 Received: from BN1AFFO11FD036.protection.gbl (2a01:111:f400:7c10::148) by BY2PR03CA073.outlook.office365.com (2a01:111:e400:2c5d::46) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.944.11 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 22 May 2014 08:50:28 +0000 Received: from mail.microsoft.com (131.107.125.37) by BN1AFFO11FD036.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.58.52.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.949.9 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 22 May 2014 08:50:28 +0000 Received: from TK5EX14MBXC293.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([169.254.2.113]) by TK5EX14MLTC104.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.79.159]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.007; Thu, 22 May 2014 08:49:52 +0000 From: Mike Jones To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down Thread-Index: Ac91msOmy8vSL0XRS0el4tuMdm9MAg== Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 08:49:51 +0000 Message-ID: <4E1F6AAD24975D4BA5B16804296739439AD2DE0A@TK5EX14MBXC293.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [157.54.51.35] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4E1F6AAD24975D4BA5B16804296739439AD2DE0ATK5EX14MBXC293r_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EOPAttributedMessage: 0 X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:131.107.125.37; CTRY:US; IPV:CAL; IPV:NLI; IPV:NLI; EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(438001)(377424004)(479174003)(377454003)(24454002)(51704005)(199002)(164054003)(189002)(83072002)(19625215002)(4396001)(15202345003)(2656002)(84326002)(16297215004)(87936001)(92726001)(97736001)(92566001)(84676001)(50986999)(15975445006)(19580405001)(69596002)(19580395003)(68736004)(44976005)(6806004)(83322001)(85852003)(86612001)(76482001)(26826002)(55846006)(19300405004)(99396002)(512954002)(81342001)(33656002)(81156002)(46102001)(71186001)(81542001)(74502001)(31966008)(74662001)(77982001)(21056001)(20776003)(66066001)(54356999)(86362001)(80022001)(16236675002)(64706001)(79102001); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR03MB457; H:mail.microsoft.com; FPR:; MLV:ovrnspm; PTR:InfoDomainNonexistent; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; X-O365ENT-EOP-Header: Message processed by - O365_ENT: Allow from ranges (Engineering ONLY) X-Forefront-PRVS: 021975AE46 Received-SPF: Pass (: domain of microsoft.com designates 131.107.125.37 as permitted sender) receiver=; client-ip=131.107.125.37; helo=mail.microsoft.com; Authentication-Results: spf=pass (sender IP is 131.107.125.37) smtp.mailfrom=Michael.Jones@microsoft.com; X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.onmicrosoft.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/CwiXotOvaSp9r79c8-A4yqR_hnE Cc: "xml2rfc@ietf.org" , Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 08:50:34 -0000 --_000_4E1F6AAD24975D4BA5B16804296739439AD2DE0ATK5EX14MBXC293r_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Besides the xml2rfc tool, the other critical resources hosted at xml.resour= ce.org are the bibliographic references such as: http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.2119= .xml Even though I have a local copy of the xml2rfc tool, these citation files b= eing offline is currently blocking me from building IDs that I'd like to re= lease. Is there another copy of these hosted somewhere? Is there any estimated uptime for xml.resource.org? Thanks, -- Mike To: Tony Hansen >, Tools Team Di= scussion > Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down From: Henrik Levkowetz > Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:51:22 +0200 Hi Nico, Tony, On 2014-05-22 06:55 Tony Hansen said the following: > xml.resource.org is hosted on one of the tools.ietf.org servers. It is > indeed down, or at least not responding. > > Tony Hansen > > On 5/21/14, 7:06 PM, Nico Williams wrote: >> Does anyone even know where to report this problem, if not here? Or, >> alternatively, could someone acknowledge this problem? Last time we had the problem that a tools server had trouble, and I shifted all the services to another machine, it took some time to get xml.resource.= org re-pointed, because I don't have the ability to touch that DNS record mysel= f. Same thing this time. I suggest we start moving away from using a non-IETF dns address for this *NOW*. I believe I suggested the same the last time we had this problem. There's a copy of the service running at xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org, which is an address I re-pointed as soon as I had moved the services over to another tools machine. I offered to host a copy of what was on the original xml.resource.org a num= ber of years ago, but never intended the tools copy to be the only one up. Whe= n Marshall's machine went out of circulation, it was left as the only one up, however, and I'd dearly love to get this moved over to one of the servers run by the secretariat. Best regards, Henrik --_000_4E1F6AAD24975D4BA5B16804296739439AD2DE0ATK5EX14MBXC293r_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Besides the xml2rfc tool, the other critical resourc= es hosted at xml.resource.org are the bibliographic references such as:

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Even though I have a local copy of the xml2rfc tool,= these citation files being offline is currently blocking me from building = IDs that I’d like to release.  Is there another copy of these ho= sted somewhere?

 

Is there any estimated uptime for xml.resource.org?<= o:p>

 

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        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p; -- Mike

 

To: Tony Hansen <tony at att.com>, Tools Team Discussion <tools-discuss at ietf.org><= o:p>

Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resourc= e.org is down

From: Henrik Levkowetz <henrik at levkowetz.com>

Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:51:22 +020= 0

 
Hi Nico, Tony,
 
On 2014-05-22 06:55 Tony Hansen said the following:
> xml.resource.org is hosted on one of the tools.ietf.org servers. =
It is 
> indeed down, or at least not responding.
> 
>      Tony Hansen
> 
> On 5/21/14, 7:06 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
>> Does anyone even know where to report this problem, if not he=
re?  Or,
>> alternatively, could someone acknowledge this problem?
 
Last time we had the problem that a tools server had trouble, and I sh=
ifted
all the services to another machine, it took some time to get xml.reso=
urce.org
re-pointed, because I don't have the ability to touch that DNS record =
myself.
 
Same thing this time.
 
I suggest we start moving away from using a non-IETF dns address for t=
his
*NOW*.  I believe I suggested the same the last time we had this =
problem.
 
There's a copy of the service running at xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org, which=
 is
an address I re-pointed as soon as I had moved the services over to an=
other
tools machine.
 
I offered to host a copy of what was on the original xml.resource.org =
a number
of years ago, but never intended the tools copy to be the only one up.=
  When
Marshall's machine went out of circulation, it was left as the only on=
e up,
however, and I'd dearly love to get this moved over to one of the serv=
ers
run by the secretariat.
 
Best regards,
 
        Henrik

 

--_000_4E1F6AAD24975D4BA5B16804296739439AD2DE0ATK5EX14MBXC293r_-- From nobody Thu May 22 01:58:16 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552981A015F; Thu, 22 May 2014 01:58:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.887 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eXEM1vYO3pLg; Thu, 22 May 2014 01:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx12.netapp.com (mx12.netapp.com [216.240.18.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C25EF1A015A; Thu, 22 May 2014 01:58:10 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.98,885,1392192000"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="165893825" Received: from vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) by mx12-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 22 May 2014 01:58:09 -0700 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.246]) by vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Thu, 22 May 2014 01:58:09 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Mike Jones Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down Thread-Index: AQHPdZvzFhxi/utzDk6LcfcGs/hNRA== Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 08:58:07 +0000 Message-ID: <4D088D84-F8FD-4121-8319-1E9847EF6349@netapp.com> References: <4E1F6AAD24975D4BA5B16804296739439AD2DE0A@TK5EX14MBXC293.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <4E1F6AAD24975D4BA5B16804296739439AD2DE0A@TK5EX14MBXC293.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.22] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CA72AE0B-B1CD-4BA7-ABD4-79F5CF19FC2B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/XoA5NptWCRN5yOb3LKhf2oJH2bs Cc: "xml2rfc@ietf.org" , Henrik Levkowetz , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 08:58:12 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_CA72AE0B-B1CD-4BA7-ABD4-79F5CF19FC2B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On 2014-5-22, at 10:49, Mike Jones wrote: > Even though I have a local copy of the xml2rfc tool, these citation = files being offline is currently blocking me from building IDs that I=92d = like to release. Is there another copy of these hosted somewhere? You can include them from the tools mirror, like so: Lars --Apple-Mail=_CA72AE0B-B1CD-4BA7-ABD4-79F5CF19FC2B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBU328INZcnpRveo1xAQJDBgQApD4TO0WrVAASILxP3S26WMrftQQWGzW4 X7j/KFoB79jkbkNYK1DJLRPK8pMRp3Qmdpaw/rXuFPdi603ijZqNZ9MbWgoi7EAU xYLdpeEXbE3RkpMH0D09F6opEQqYt8mWxHusjaNLkiJXSW/XR4/199C/kiS11rMs mruv+Qrzh40= =y3T6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_CA72AE0B-B1CD-4BA7-ABD4-79F5CF19FC2B-- From nobody Thu May 22 01:58:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E921A0169; Thu, 22 May 2014 01:58:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AZ13snMPLmpL; Thu, 22 May 2014 01:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA256 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3EA91A0060; Thu, 22 May 2014 01:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.117] ([93.217.94.21]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LhwAY-1X9kvR3XcI-00nAzZ; Thu, 22 May 2014 10:57:31 +0200 Message-ID: <537DBBF4.5050609@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 10:57:24 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Jones , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" References: <4E1F6AAD24975D4BA5B16804296739439AD2DE0A@TK5EX14MBXC293.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <4E1F6AAD24975D4BA5B16804296739439AD2DE0A@TK5EX14MBXC293.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:t9Cu7WL1olXpWUkooVsMNl0dDk6+0DNcRYuwj3ozmxgxj5yLyBA YOuIuHPwhdI7ZToLxMEoq3Yk4q8czX0ZjNAO9y8qZMet4uw8RxyHzAvetqyhs10RZ6kf5I7 s21ce5oegYKf7xMwSAyI5ds7THeT08m33dVtalmV//evKXMYaW29+pgexduEzSnsOH3cXh5 zcwXI+nSdsVvCBZ0PTClQ== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/8malf5AmyUa_dPJubW6uzAK06Iw Cc: "xml2rfc@ietf.org" , Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 08:58:15 -0000 On 2014-05-22 10:49, Mike Jones wrote: > Besides the xml2rfc tool, the other critical resources hosted at > xml.resource.org are the bibliographic references such as: > > http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.2119.xml > > Even though I have a local copy of the xml2rfc tool, these citation > files being offline is currently blocking me from building IDs that Id > like to release. Is there another copy of these hosted somewhere? > ... Single Point Of Failure I recommend (and have done so for many years) not to rely on online resources when generating IDs. Best regards, Julian From nobody Thu May 22 02:39:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054021A0169; Thu, 22 May 2014 02:39:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.045 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.045 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.793, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NN3YPAVP76kg; Thu, 22 May 2014 02:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1775B1A004E; Thu, 22 May 2014 02:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tannat.netnod.se ([77.72.226.96]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WnPTB-0003Mb-NX; Thu, 22 May 2014 02:39:25 -0700 Message-ID: <537DC5BD.8090002@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 11:39:09 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Jones , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" References: <4E1F6AAD24975D4BA5B16804296739439AD2DE0A@TK5EX14MBXC293.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <4E1F6AAD24975D4BA5B16804296739439AD2DE0A@TK5EX14MBXC293.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 77.72.226.96 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/eVHFjhiTg7fQbB-Nsg5gUsurtFI Cc: "xml2rfc@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:39:29 -0000 Hi Mike, On 2014-05-22 10:49 Mike Jones said: > Besides the xml2rfc tool, the other critical resources hosted at xml.resource.org are the bibliographic references such as: > http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.2119.xml > > Even though I have a local copy of the xml2rfc tool, these citation files being offline is currently blocking me from building IDs that I'd like to release. Is there another copy of these hosted somewhere? These are also available at xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org, but some are out-dated on that machine. I'll see if I can get the ancient tcl code that does the updates running on it. > Is there any estimated uptime for xml.resource.org? Sorry, no -- I'll be going to the mountain cave where grenache.tools.ietf.org (which is the machine which used to serve xml.resource.org) is located in order to try to re-install linux and get it up again, but it's possible that it'll be gone for quite some time. There was severe filesystem corruption, and fsck didn't manage to repair it. I aim to provide all the resources on xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org in the interim. Henrik > Thanks, > -- Mike > > To: Tony Hansen >, Tools Team Discussion > > Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down > From: Henrik Levkowetz > > Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:51:22 +0200 > > > > Hi Nico, Tony, > > > > On 2014-05-22 06:55 Tony Hansen said the following: > >> xml.resource.org is hosted on one of the tools.ietf.org servers. It is > >> indeed down, or at least not responding. > >> > >> Tony Hansen > >> > >> On 5/21/14, 7:06 PM, Nico Williams wrote: > >>> Does anyone even know where to report this problem, if not here? Or, > >>> alternatively, could someone acknowledge this problem? > > > > Last time we had the problem that a tools server had trouble, and I shifted > > all the services to another machine, it took some time to get xml.resource.org > > re-pointed, because I don't have the ability to touch that DNS record myself. > > > > Same thing this time. > > > > I suggest we start moving away from using a non-IETF dns address for this > > *NOW*. I believe I suggested the same the last time we had this problem. > > > > There's a copy of the service running at xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org, which is > > an address I re-pointed as soon as I had moved the services over to another > > tools machine. > > > > I offered to host a copy of what was on the original xml.resource.org a number > > of years ago, but never intended the tools copy to be the only one up. When > > Marshall's machine went out of circulation, it was left as the only one up, > > however, and I'd dearly love to get this moved over to one of the servers > > run by the secretariat. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Henrik > > From nobody Thu May 22 03:03:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967AF1A0066; Thu, 22 May 2014 03:03:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FuY22YDIlJHm; Thu, 22 May 2014 03:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2472C1A0086; Thu, 22 May 2014 03:03:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s4MA3DsO006940; Thu, 22 May 2014 12:03:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.22] (p54893706.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.137.55.6]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 135B813EA; Thu, 22 May 2014 12:03:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <87D7B29E-76BA-4790-B394-0F32EBC584D4@tzi.org> From: Carsten Bormann To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <537DC5BD.8090002@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 12:03:06 +0200 References: <4E1F6AAD24975D4BA5B16804296739439AD2DE0A@TK5EX14MBXC293.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <537DC5BD.8090002@levkowetz.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/qfsOurvrKJJ_eA3pWZisA6AMNi0 Cc: "xml2rfc@ietf.org" , Carsten Bormann , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 10:03:28 -0000 On May 22 2014, at 11:39, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > I aim to provide all the resources on xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org in the > interim. Thank you! I'll push out an emergency kramdown-rfc2629 pointing to that. Can we assume: 1) that the new URLs are stable 2) that they will be updated reasonably fast, once everything gets going again? Or do I need to switch back to xml.resource.org? Oh, and maybe the frontpage on xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org can also point to xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org as opposed to xml.resource.org From nobody Thu May 22 06:26:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6844A1A0147 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 06:25:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RqvDA6iQILrA for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 06:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x232.google.com (mail-qg0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1794F1A0091 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 06:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id z60so5538057qgd.23 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 06:25:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hvLHkGe+nR1v4z3arP9LtOON2ALNtcNsz1iZ8JJAwLk=; b=u3ocOqPL2n1wp8pkAL9xt/XKoZu5ZHVj5yOBYl2e44iP3a17YnpS0zI1APfOrSnBhI CKpZD4Ynib5LwFHcQQI5M2XuwG1vHQzHNvyK1Uuqrn6W8eO7KIytXwMENLUGo7NvAP7d S+S1VlDyua6ggqGTlU/f0uYyHwC2Ccw1+Ki/Uw4FMEIg6TiFA/Uw+zjVRNwGUJyo5mv+ FZjoy+bRANB0rZAYHhgkpo9aoX30kRwqZ4BtyRkNLe7ZGuCcF0YHgPEn+L2nVYH/ES9O 2Y8y+s3Ec6Iazs4wDQiuJ2ayQneH896xjbSYjhQK4CAkmyykU6t5wwB9BlVHLs7bO3M/ d0dA== X-Received: by 10.224.25.133 with SMTP id z5mr14090226qab.97.1400765155354; Thu, 22 May 2014 06:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from still.local (184-19-80-43.drr03.clbg.wv.frontiernet.net. [184.19.80.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y79sm2693219qgy.18.2014.05.22.06.25.54 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 22 May 2014 06:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <537DFAE2.9090909@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:25:54 -0400 From: Tim Wicinski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:30.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/30.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <537D8358.5090209@att.com> <537DAC7A.3050403@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <537DAC7A.3050403@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/0qdFRJs3xFVqpxvAhnJeKmfUfI0 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 13:25:58 -0000 On 5/22/14, 3:51 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > > I suggest we start moving away from using a non-IETF dns address for this > *NOW*. I believe I suggested the same the last time we had this problem. > > There's a copy of the service running at xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org, which is > an address I re-pointed as soon as I had moved the services over to another > tools machine. I totally agree with Henrik on this. Sooner, rather than Later. tim From nobody Thu May 22 06:32:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9644E1A0147 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 06:32:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TVD_MIME_NO_HEADERS=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2qwJtQ8xR6zO for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 06:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3::184]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4D551A001A for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 06:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (desk.marajade.sandelman.ca [209.87.252.247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3528A2002F for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 196F263B0B; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id F267463B0A for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:32:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Tools Team Discussion In-Reply-To: <537DAC7A.3050403@levkowetz.com> References: <537D8358.5090209@att.com> <537DAC7A.3050403@levkowetz.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/NiHE0OWtJJdbIoatTsgCjsy8Jkg Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 13:32:39 -0000 --=-=-= Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > There's a copy of the service running at xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org, which I'm not a fan of that name, but who cares (it's too xml2rfc specific). Let's use it. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBU338a4CLcPvd0N1lAQJ0kgf/eGZHtrDdWFHJfdBxUoqOv9/lY/cnkRDZ jL4KAarBGTf8j9g94Ca/BZr/lovXqGeG4mgwWR0DbFFWWjI2CzWh+C8Ckbp1XCq/ w9VXzWXUHtDFcdA9E9TxORvTz33qr+2vF20lNV1f85SKPG6IADtKvlD+oIjO6vE4 MkcOzvsIaQFafBRgh2XBuI8tIEICMH8UaiQkEV5/4nwf484jEgdaHmASqglB2/4M KE4LbR8WxcC21/2xZ9o/pEXUfEtonWEPE4Lx1lPkpc/zcUVBjSxWBEMRM5yDrS3S s+lnZ3lAOndzVz7yxzAdyHS/P4wDTFNWvjT9MbvChSMWkImgoQpmeQ== =vFjV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu May 22 06:35:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229D51A0147 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 06:35:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TVD_MIME_NO_HEADERS=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5m2Hvw0eehJK for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 06:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.252.184]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6A6D1A001A for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 06:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6152002F; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id C3B5763B0B; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B052263B0A; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:35:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: References: <3BB4846B-08AB-4356-8396-9E2E3245B5E5@tzi.org> <2461.1400713811@sandelman.ca> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/hPe-wImGkguJwC7X02jpVWUWTwE Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 13:35:27 -0000 --=-=-= Bob Hinden wrote: >> Nico Williams wrote: >>> Canned, published references really should be URNs, with a simple >>> location algorithm. >> AGREED!!!!! >> Perhaps ISOC/IAOC could be convinced to fund some code to URNs easier >>to deploy. > You make it sound like this is the problem. The IAOC has been funding > many tools development projects. I'm saying that we (the IETF) have totally failed to dogfood URNs. It seems that there are tragedy-of-the-commons for much of the URN stuff, and it seems that this is more than a nobody-is-running-the urn:ietf: server, because there is, I think, client-side stuff that has to happen, and maybe there is a lack of client side code. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBU339F4CLcPvd0N1lAQJNngf/fTSjIiKV6Y4vvGukAckEfdcxOLDUZ5tn k+AcPADJGOxo1JQMtOH4PPmI1W1J8CvK2hPLP5Osi7UdU0UTt2EuJrDkpGM2SwhO VGmCxMfnJO+VDRumJ8Uw1QEDwoCTdwr6ZWyvSG3w/Lf1UYUMDSBlDMDpUbRD+MvP Mr14DwaTdmdOkdr7leKUG/EtdQcYWZ0mx6Y7bNgzz9OPVpol7v2a16QdDJab7G9b fP5rBbxxKwcM6vDAQtRT0p8Njx8Ed3OKPj6NYMU6lIIa0o6dYkn4UvLqAhfCagxe J0nj/0meGQ7EWEsRkxBDdRtqjZE+zYLA14iV33dIy6ovbYBUqmYx5w== =mTvP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu May 22 06:51:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30F41A017A for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 06:51:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q10RgA5DAg7A for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 06:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D9321A0176 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 06:51:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s4MDpQ5s004682; Thu, 22 May 2014 15:51:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.145] (p54893706.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.137.55.6]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 706DA160F; Thu, 22 May 2014 15:51:25 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <4002.1400765721@sandelman.ca> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 15:51:23 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 422459483.853624-a6596ac30e5f21367ac26aaed754ba19 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3473E544-0144-48F1-A3D9-E5E834376B88@tzi.org> References: <3BB4846B-08AB-4356-8396-9E2E3245B5E5@tzi.org> <2461.1400713811@sandelman.ca> <4002.1400765721@sandelman.ca> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/sPHhP9ldVjzn26Hc8yfy9jmR6TY Cc: "Joe Hildebrand \(jhildebr\)" , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 13:51:35 -0000 On 22 May 2014, at 15:35, Michael Richardson = wrote: > dogfood URNs There is this proposal to have an URN-like reference format in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hildebrand-html-rfc-01#section-3.2.12.2 I=92d like to use something like that for kramdown-rfc2629 once it has = stabilized (kramdown-rfc2629 already has something not entirely unlike = that). Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From nobody Thu May 22 07:30:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CB91A01A7; Thu, 22 May 2014 07:29:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2ij8zdJQZEk6; Thu, 22 May 2014 07:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29B8F1A017A; Thu, 22 May 2014 07:29:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s4METnc8018403; Thu, 22 May 2014 16:29:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.145] (p54893706.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.137.55.6]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A834B164B; Thu, 22 May 2014 16:29:48 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <87D7B29E-76BA-4790-B394-0F32EBC584D4@tzi.org> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 16:29:46 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 422461786.824855-364e72229ce928263e664dd1ca0877ee Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9B7E0492-40D9-472C-A9D0-BB2061E9636D@tzi.org> References: <4E1F6AAD24975D4BA5B16804296739439AD2DE0A@TK5EX14MBXC293.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <537DC5BD.8090002@levkowetz.com> <87D7B29E-76BA-4790-B394-0F32EBC584D4@tzi.org> To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/toznGogcpIFTMHZkunxsnc9_6Cc Cc: "xml2rfc@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 14:29:59 -0000 On 22 May 2014, at 12:03, Carsten Bormann wrote: > I'll push out an emergency kramdown-rfc2629 pointing to that. Done (version 1.0.12):=20 gem update kramdown-rfc2629=20 if you need this. Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From nobody Thu May 22 08:51:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9623E1A01C8 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 08:51:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4cQyjsfL026S for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 08:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C3D1A01B1 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 08:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E29BE75 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 16:51:31 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r6pe78a6-AYk for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 16:51:30 +0100 (IST) Received: from [10.87.48.12] (unknown [86.44.73.161]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 519EFBE6E for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 16:51:30 +0100 (IST) Message-ID: <537E1D02.1000407@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 16:51:30 +0100 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/FyIj0s3MZe1n-kMIqE-C8VBN5sM Subject: [Tools-discuss] reviewing old RFCs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 15:51:34 -0000 Hiya, On the ietf-privacy list we're trying to get reviews done of old RFCs. We started using trac [1] but didn't get very many tickets posted for whatever reason. So I knocked up a bit of JS to randomly pick an RFC and let you type a review and then mail that to the list. (See the tool [2] and the mail archive [3]). I'm getting various requests for changes [4] and will do a bit more on this in a week or two, but just wondered if anyone here has any advice to offer, which will be appreciated if offered:-) Thanks, S. PS: I'm not subscribed to this list, so off-list answers or cc'ing me is fine. [1] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/ppm-legacy-review/ [2] https://down.dsg.cs.tcd.ie/ppm/ [3] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-privacy/current/msg00414.html [4] https://down.dsg.cs.tcd.ie/ppm/tweaks.html From nobody Thu May 22 09:30:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649811A0201 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:30:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZGSIKAwjO44z for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A52D71A0217 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (76-218-8-156.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.8.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s4MGUBH0006259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 22 May 2014 09:30:14 -0700 Message-ID: <537E25F6.5020709@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:29:42 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Farrell , "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" References: <537E1D02.1000407@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: <537E1D02.1000407@cs.tcd.ie> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.66]); Thu, 22 May 2014 09:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/lUEogzLqKhY8oa2iPvQk1rmwJkU Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] reviewing old RFCs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 16:30:21 -0000 On 5/22/2014 8:51 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > o I knocked up a bit of JS to randomly pick an RFC Any RFC is a gamble, but this formalizes the fact beyond anything I'd ever imagined... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Thu May 22 09:32:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E76F1A0201 for ; 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s= cryptonector.com; bh=PNY1GUdOcPfXJrevrlyB/1du8wM=; b=vwytUNebXsa Vs+sPdPNUIcgx1+HSK14cFAxuTuMpGcg6cG0u/Z+GRGmUxy31LJhhplGeWxRkoYF 9ALKi/ABMrJsq0lDjVjEyZZoCE4iboXyGnFsFi4Sgz/p4Gu3JzwK04mSYpdg+gtn VBeQ3Ilc8eIxR9npnbrSfjylqugww25Q= Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a96.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC1263B805B for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id k48so3738415wev.17 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:32:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.142.205 with SMTP id ry13mr3561400wjb.69.1400776351872; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.29.200 with HTTP; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 11:32:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/DGWVqxShlSSC_ksdKCyOdeAlw9k Cc: Michael Richardson , RFC Interest , Tools Team Discussion , "Joe Hildebrand \(jhildebr\)" Subject: [Tools-discuss] URN scheme for references (Re: xml.resource.org is down) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 16:32:36 -0000 I'm cc'ing the rfc-interest list. I'm no sure which list is most appropriate for this subject. Perhaps even apps-discuss, or ietf (to which I don't subscribe). IIRC we've touched on this subject on the rfc-interest list before. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 22 May 2014, at 15:35, Michael Richardson wrote: > >> dogfood URNs > > There is this proposal to have an URN-like reference format in > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hildebrand-html-rfc-01#section-3.2.12.2 ISTM that a single URN scheme for, say, RFCs, should be used to find any one or more of multiple resource types according to context: - the document itself (canonical) - the document itself (alternative formats, locations, ...) - the document's history (e.g., datatracker link) - bibxml reference for the document - bibtex reference for the document (OK, this is just an example) - home page of the SDO that produced the document - arbitrary metadata from within the document and/or from the datatracker - anything else? I.e., just one URN scheme for RFCs please. Let the thing it resolves to depend on context or optionally specified via a fragment-like specifier. E.g., urn:ietf:rfc:2119 in an xml2rfc document's middle should resolve to the anchor of a reference for RFC2119, while in a back/references section it should refer to the bibxml reference for RFC2119, and in a reference it should resolve to RFC2119's location (e.g., when formatting an I-D/RFC as HTML). But urn:ietf:rfc:2141#bibxml should only reference the bibxml, urn:ietf:rfc:2141#docurl should resolve to one or more URLs for the document, and so on. Nico -- From nobody Thu May 22 09:43:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209E01A01E0 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:43:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o2l1f6iFUy92 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from che.mayfirst.org (che.mayfirst.org [209.234.253.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE611A01D9 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 09:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.70.10.78] (unknown [38.109.115.130]) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D6E75F984 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 12:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <537E2931.4070204@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 12:43:29 -0400 From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6+git0.20140323 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d1SmHj77QWOC7EmGSwL36jlIuNtc5d8Vo" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/NmVTvNbT9djwzb9QOWsTrgK4GnA Subject: [Tools-discuss] legacy http links in https://tools.ietf.org/ should move to https X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 16:43:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --d1SmHj77QWOC7EmGSwL36jlIuNtc5d8Vo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi good tools folks-- i notice that many of the hyperlinks in https://tools.ietf.org/ point to somewhere within http://tools.ietf.org, and other cleartext sites rather than using https where possible. We should be encouraging the use of https if possible. If you want to provide http links when the overview page is served via http, and https when the page is served via https, you can just remove the scheme (so the URL would look like href=3D"//tools.ietf.org/whatever") or you could remove the scheme and the host itself (so the URL would look like href=3D"/whatever"). here is a list of all the http:// sites (with a count of the number of times they appear): 1 http://aaa-sec.com 1 http://bap.googlecode.com 1 http://beta.iana.org 1 http://fenron.net 3 http://greenbytes.de 1 http://lyx2rfc.org 2 http://mail.tools.ietf.org 1 http://pypi.python.org 1 http://rtg.ietf.org 2 http://svn.tools.ietf.org 36 http://tools.ietf.org 1 http://vinegen.com 1 http://wiki.python.org 1 http://www.anfdata.cz 4 http://www.arkko.com 1 http://www.ericsson.com 1 http://www.google.com 2 http://www.ietf.org 7 http://www.isi.edu 1 http://www.isoc.org 1 http://www.itunes.com 1 http://www.nao.ac.jp 1 http://www.netnod.se 1 http://www.rfc-editor.org 1 http://xml.resource.org derived from: grep 'href=3D["'\'']http:' index.html | \ sed -r 's_.*href=3D["'\''](https?://[^/"'\'']*)[/"].*_\1_' | \ sort | uniq -c Of these, the following sites appear to offer valid https today: bap.googlecode.com greenbytes.de mail.tools.ietf.org pypi.python.org svn.tools.ietf.org tools.ietf.org wiki.python.org www.google.com www.ietf.org www.isi.edu www.isoc.org www.itunes.com www.netnod.se www.rfc-editor.org thanks for maintaining the IETF tools infrastructure, --dkg --d1SmHj77QWOC7EmGSwL36jlIuNtc5d8Vo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJTfikxXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQjk2OTEyODdBN0FEREUzNzU3RDkxMUVB NTI0MDFCMTFCRkRGQTVDAAoJEKUkAbEb/fpczy0P/3BE5D5dIrlWHpQeiZ3kgWvb u+pb0NvHV35y0UTPYRa/7D51JqTtvKc608M/vzKoOqxdhnqyiR28vZxM2t9Ock/3 huZFYFa/ePtde3/bL3u3E7IG3tTwe4Lm2mEpSAzCU/CK0kc/YmmA9hsVVPR68X4O NOlE5RrHwgaXzuKGTYcKwBs5dKw6om+Qpc8uBvnQJ51N+77xgUYei9cYUWqvQvJb cZi6nJzIiNrMf6CmIP1NAhdcsk4WERMhXqio3bi+3mQnUaPAb17kaJuguWrvqdmC XC0Q0LGbKf4x+73x/5d4oDjBHoKTgvOd/344TD3CY5ojVSayLjWXOnCfTyQvYyp0 9/SG/9jfaKebYcIzuSIigxlaYGv4mQ9vKaXHhsjZZ964WMV43GtSlSSu1tW++z3z VNGUvyuOKK3+fbwFTQWQXe3jtW3S7gOa5JLGdV/tzkzOpaKYzgU0N6C06uBhHMqW NWIshsM9mD1LYA4jTcKit1cNzovwCC36ADIpqjb+QJImW5QpwqiJY/H+XVXh3jqv VPVwJvHaqnkOXTpMgoJEea0CAJ60z4XJuKfcYmXECQh/S4c7lO0y2FY9Y2N5262y iffAnbyyFWFP3wu2ztmOfBPZkWxCL8SldQBnCsuEVrb7cE/BucODHE4WTIIFg/b8 5TUlFhJ5jbDgIKedZtxQ =aGBn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --d1SmHj77QWOC7EmGSwL36jlIuNtc5d8Vo-- From nobody Thu May 22 10:24:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105891A023D for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 10:24:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UDGqFSkFayiT for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 10:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from che.mayfirst.org (che.mayfirst.org [209.234.253.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DF91A0238 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 10:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.70.10.78] (unknown [38.109.115.130]) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AC94FF984 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 13:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <537E32CE.9060404@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 13:24:30 -0400 From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6+git0.20140323 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LOGstRXogMB7Eq4SdT0jpjxo6JjKVPMG6" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/334w1X8i0ZaoXFDqMtLD82j0EzY Subject: [Tools-discuss] password setup on tools.ietf.org failing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 17:24:45 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --LOGstRXogMB7Eq4SdT0jpjxo6JjKVPMG6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I went to https://tools.ietf.org/tools/loginmgr/newlogin to request a login so that i could authenticate to the trac instance for xml2rfc [0]. I put in my e-mail address and got the "IETF Tools Servers Password" e-mail, with a link in it with an auth ID. I clicked that link, entered a password, and ended up at https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/loginmgr/setpasswd.pyht, with the following error message: -------------------- Error Something went wrong when trying to set the new password. The error information given was: Error 256, Auth data verification SUCCESS loginmgr(250): Command failed with error code 1 ([25211] ./loginmgr ) -------------------- The password i had tried to set doesn't seem to work when i try to authenticate at https://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/login I'm using the same e-mail address as i'm sending this report from during authentication, if that helps with searching the logs to figure out what's going on there. --dkg [0] https://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ --LOGstRXogMB7Eq4SdT0jpjxo6JjKVPMG6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJTfjLOXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQjk2OTEyODdBN0FEREUzNzU3RDkxMUVB NTI0MDFCMTFCRkRGQTVDAAoJEKUkAbEb/fpcM4MP/A9aMvZ5Bs3cwO6LPVErIkVu GpOeTebX0cZcV4fnj1wwDFRkMgWLVZfYFdOneAhk/bba9d7pMFVcx7mQ7+dx/u9O t99mYPRBzi7wHW9+V7gWXhni/aIk4puIbHVgL72vgrpq15RqqknnnfCiiJCqQUlC O7adMeP8tPsm4AzuJbpgpVE3i3krSFdPWIBz3j7ldus2/EBZbPNxpPskPmBRCN8U LmFCaIEDN4oQWV1N/H66HU5QYDtMRVRInC6AHFmh+jgcytj42ljRfvLqs+0DuHU+ F1PnVQRXC4gTER/08tlSyuWUwizfQTIc0Gv79nNnDbtksqjgy7URBGH9om5N1AVp d1AsW6qlFD0EoJXLa6GOOInuSIvabXQ6ZgkkRUprCe5cB7d7oP5X9B9mtBWa1ajx dQhdEjFD7/F5jwPSHufkXRKBUOvYNgj+6vI9mRE9kQ+GLzxJXAH1iW2quBkyU+Ap YHnEdhyV0yx5vU7xtESg0r6EssDeuBM/Db33CNsO6NbyyX1demVguQWcUTIDSAuG /r1X7318qFh+2SIw1ROW3aLdlobo62pxGdz7ps2M4WG7HhuoPE8Gh+P/bwH2zr7b 9tTOko0Ykx3l6GktueKH0K2Fq4poWZ+aFDycpkYfAmJJCVaQsRLPpb3quysaBrqr GzV6FDOJmcL9tt+xv6me =Jp0N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LOGstRXogMB7Eq4SdT0jpjxo6JjKVPMG6-- From nobody Thu May 22 11:09:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59A01A0271 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 11:09:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.445 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, J_CHICKENPOX_74=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.793, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZdtpvyUs7-Jo for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 11:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 863EC1A014C for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 11:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h25n7-s-oev-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com ([81.229.146.25] helo=vigonier.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WnXQX-0003a5-5S; Thu, 22 May 2014 11:09:13 -0700 Message-ID: <537E3D3B.5050205@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 20:08:59 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion References: <537E374E.7030209@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <537E374E.7030209@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <537E374E.7030209@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.229.146.25 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/R7wRJhKDn2efQx6g3NrRc9-z9dg Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: New xml2rfc release: 2.4.7 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 18:09:15 -0000 Forwarding (with a typo correction): This announces the release of xml2rfc version 2.4.7, available for download from: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/xml2rfc http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc2/cli/ The purpose of this release, coming right on the heels of 2.4.6, is to add knowledge of alternative bibxml repositories, given that the usual site xml.resource.org is currently down. For full details on all tickets, there's always the issue tracker: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/report/. An excerpt from the changelog is available below. Best regards, Henrik -------- Release notes: xml2rfc (2.4.7) ietf; urgency=high This release changes the reference resolution code to try 3 different network hosts when trying to find bibxml reference files on the net, instead of trying only xml.reference.org. It now tries, in order:: http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/ http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/ http://xml.resource.org/ The next release is expected to change this to using https: instead of http:, but that change requires both that the resources be available over https, and that there's been explicit testing of access over https, something which is absent from the current test suite. -- Henrik Levkowetz 22 May 2014 19:05:12 +0200 From nobody Thu May 22 11:38:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3491A02AC for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 11:38:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HAAQywGw4RJO for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 11:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from che.mayfirst.org (che.mayfirst.org [209.234.253.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25711A0293 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 11:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.70.10.78] (unknown [38.109.115.130]) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC77AF984; Thu, 22 May 2014 14:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <537E442C.9010003@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 14:38:36 -0400 From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz , Tools Team Discussion References: <537E374E.7030209@levkowetz.com> <537E3D3B.5050205@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <537E3D3B.5050205@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6+git0.20140323 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="83uMsuLKbFt6piaHR03dIK86aVcBQqvH9" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/mdDzjGTiT6Kxfg05STfVmr37eZY Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: New xml2rfc release: 2.4.7 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 18:38:44 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --83uMsuLKbFt6piaHR03dIK86aVcBQqvH9 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000204000006000607080405" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000204000006000607080405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/22/2014 02:08 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > This announces the release of xml2rfc version 2.4.7, available for down= load > from: >=20 > http://pypi.python.org/pypi/xml2rfc > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc2/cli/ >=20 > The purpose of this release, coming right on the heels of 2.4.6, is > to add knowledge of alternative bibxml repositories, given that the > usual site xml.resource.org is currently down. Thanks for this, Henrik! I've uploaded 2.4.7 into debian unstable now. It should propagate to the debian archive shortly. a couple notes: The tarball available at pypi appears to have some emacs temporary files (test/valid/*.nroff~) shipped within it. you may want to clean those up for future releases. Speaking of moving to https, there are a number of places in the package documentation that use http where they could use https. The attached patch (relative to the 2.4.7 tarball) should address those cases. Thanks for your work on xml2rfc, --dkg --------------000204000006000607080405 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="xml2rfc_fix-links.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="xml2rfc_fix-links.patch" commit 50e27d055d07da1c73428b24c1ad7ca5f11f8530 Author: Daniel Kahn Gillmor Date: Thu May 22 12:45:30 2014 -0400 fixing links that should be https in package documentation diff --git a/INSTALL b/INSTALL index 015a6fc..29eb170 100644 --- a/INSTALL +++ b/INSTALL @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ Pre-installation Requirements ----------------------------- =20 In order to do an installation according to the instructions below, you -need to have Python installed. You can get it from http://www.python.or= g/download/ +need to have Python installed. You can get it from https://www.python.o= rg/download/ if your system doesn't have it pre-installed. =20 The 'setup.py' python program which performs the installation also requi= res diff --git a/PKG-INFO b/PKG-INFO index 14b197e..f2af418 100644 --- a/PKG-INFO +++ b/PKG-INFO @@ -2,11 +2,11 @@ Metadata-Version: 1.1 Name: xml2rfc Version: 2.4.6 Summary: Xml2rfc generates RFCs and IETF drafts from document source in = XML according to the dtd in RFC2629. -Home-page: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ +Home-page: https://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ Author: Henrik Levkowetz Author-email: henrik@levkowetz.com License: Simplified BSD Licence -Download-URL: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/xml2rfc +Download-URL: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/xml2rfc Description: Introduction =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 @@ -24,10 +24,10 @@ Description: Introduction Only the paginated text format is currently (January 2013) accep= able as draft submissions to the IETF. =20 - .. _IETF: http://www.ietf.org/ - .. _RFCs: http://www.rfc-editor.org/ - .. _RFC2629: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2629 - .. _inofficial successor: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mrose= -writing-rfcs + .. _IETF: https://www.ietf.org/ + .. _RFCs: https://www.rfc-editor.org/ + .. _RFC2629: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2629 + .. _inofficial successor: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mros= e-writing-rfcs =20 Installation =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D @@ -46,8 +46,8 @@ Description: Introduction $ pip install xml2rfc =20 .. _lxml: http://lxml.de/ - .. _pip: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip - .. _xml2rfc distribution package: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pi= p + .. _pip: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip + .. _xml2rfc distribution package: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/p= ip =20 =20 =20 @@ -672,7 +672,7 @@ Description: Introduction but the current clean slate is nice to have. =20 For full details on all tickets, there's always the issue trac= ker: - http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/report/ + https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/report/ =20 An extract from the commit log is available below: =20 @@ -793,7 +793,7 @@ Description: Introduction =20 =20 This release fixes all outstanding major bugs, details below. - The issue tracker is at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/tr= ac/. + The issue tracker is at https://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/t= rac/. =20 * Updated the nroff writer to do backslash escaping on source = text, to=20 avoid escaping nroff control characters. Fixes issue #77. diff --git a/README b/README index 7703a9b..8848c4a 100644 --- a/README +++ b/README @@ -15,10 +15,10 @@ formats: Paginated and unpaginated ascii text, html, = nroff, and expanded xml. Only the paginated text format is currently (January 2013) accepable as = draft submissions to the IETF. =20 -.. _IETF: http://www.ietf.org/ -.. _RFCs: http://www.rfc-editor.org/ -.. _RFC2629: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2629 -.. _inofficial successor: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mrose-writing= -rfcs +.. _IETF: https://www.ietf.org/ +.. _RFCs: https://www.rfc-editor.org/ +.. _RFC2629: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2629 +.. _inofficial successor: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mrose-writin= g-rfcs =20 Installation =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D @@ -37,8 +37,8 @@ you can run pip to download and install the package:: $ pip install xml2rfc =20 .. _lxml: http://lxml.de/ -.. _pip: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip -.. _xml2rfc distribution package: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip +.. _pip: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip +.. _xml2rfc distribution package: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip =20 =20 =20 diff --git a/changelog b/changelog index 56ab8d8..4bc9279 100644 --- a/changelog +++ b/changelog @@ -484,7 +484,7 @@ xml2rfc (2.4.0) ietf; urgency=3Dmedium but the current clean slate is nice to have. =20 For full details on all tickets, there's always the issue tracker: - http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/report/ + https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/report/ =20 An extract from the commit log is available below: =20 @@ -595,7 +595,7 @@ xml2rfc (2.3.11.3) ietf; urgency=3Dmedium xml2rfc (2.3.11) ietf; urgency=3Dmedium =20 This release fixes all outstanding major bugs, details below. - The issue tracker is at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/. + The issue tracker is at https://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/. =20 * Updated the nroff writer to do backslash escaping on source text, to= =20 avoid escaping nroff control characters. Fixes issue #77. diff --git a/setup.py b/setup.py index 7a4c4ba..2debaa1 100644 --- a/setup.py +++ b/setup.py @@ -67,10 +67,10 @@ setup( author_email=3D'tools-discuss@ietf.org', maintainer =3D "Henrik Levkowetz", maintainer_email =3D "henrik@levkowetz.com", - url=3D'http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/', + url=3D'https://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/', description=3Ddescription, long_description=3Dlong_description, - download_url =3D "http://pypi.python.org/pypi/xml2rfc", + download_url =3D "https://pypi.python.org/pypi/xml2rfc", classifiers=3D [ 'Environment :: Console', 'Operating System :: MacOS :: MacOS X', diff --git a/tox.ini b/tox.ini index a416b47..a39c738 100644 --- a/tox.ini +++ b/tox.ini @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -# Tox (http://tox.testrun.org/) is a tool for running tests +# Tox (https://tox.testrun.org/) is a tool for running tests # in multiple virtualenvs. This configuration file will run the # test suite on all supported python versions. To use it, "pip install t= ox" # and then run "tox" from this directory. diff --git a/xml2rfc.egg-info/PKG-INFO b/xml2rfc.egg-info/PKG-INFO index 14b197e..f2af418 100644 --- a/xml2rfc.egg-info/PKG-INFO +++ b/xml2rfc.egg-info/PKG-INFO @@ -2,11 +2,11 @@ Metadata-Version: 1.1 Name: xml2rfc Version: 2.4.6 Summary: Xml2rfc generates RFCs and IETF drafts from document source in = XML according to the dtd in RFC2629. -Home-page: http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ +Home-page: https://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ Author: Henrik Levkowetz Author-email: henrik@levkowetz.com License: Simplified BSD Licence -Download-URL: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/xml2rfc +Download-URL: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/xml2rfc Description: Introduction =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 @@ -24,10 +24,10 @@ Description: Introduction Only the paginated text format is currently (January 2013) accep= able as draft submissions to the IETF. =20 - .. _IETF: http://www.ietf.org/ - .. _RFCs: http://www.rfc-editor.org/ - .. _RFC2629: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2629 - .. _inofficial successor: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mrose= -writing-rfcs + .. _IETF: https://www.ietf.org/ + .. _RFCs: https://www.rfc-editor.org/ + .. _RFC2629: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2629 + .. _inofficial successor: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mros= e-writing-rfcs =20 Installation =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D @@ -46,8 +46,8 @@ Description: Introduction $ pip install xml2rfc =20 .. _lxml: http://lxml.de/ - .. _pip: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip - .. _xml2rfc distribution package: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pi= p + .. _pip: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip + .. _xml2rfc distribution package: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/p= ip =20 =20 =20 @@ -672,7 +672,7 @@ Description: Introduction but the current clean slate is nice to have. =20 For full details on all tickets, there's always the issue trac= ker: - http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/report/ + https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/report/ =20 An extract from the commit log is available below: =20 @@ -793,7 +793,7 @@ Description: Introduction =20 =20 This release fixes all outstanding major bugs, details below. - The issue tracker is at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/tr= ac/. + The issue tracker is at https://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/t= rac/. =20 * Updated the nroff writer to do backslash escaping on source = text, to=20 avoid escaping nroff control characters. Fixes issue #77. --------------000204000006000607080405-- --83uMsuLKbFt6piaHR03dIK86aVcBQqvH9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJTfkQsXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQjk2OTEyODdBN0FEREUzNzU3RDkxMUVB NTI0MDFCMTFCRkRGQTVDAAoJEKUkAbEb/fpcf/AP/2CbHsqAFi6xPKZRLECzucMl JUeLzqXDRb+tpiypVBAdLyTbLtaF9P8vuctK8wugYfD8gFG3FBs7C/AgLyx8Y//r QfSrjH8PgUbrkudf9o9cl6oGcwL8RK4WTajFzelxGGSBGynpp/VSrUXVLp33BSZ+ XpyvKodoAE3/RufypXXu00/mR2MXLt3czhOqFxobbS4/nlLxOv2UErnkCdfDvMS/ Nl5tcZjUV784dr+uEJSw3l8S5ZZSe4YpGDCMKmvOCbI3bb8X48njfx/NSbQOxaJn JHlpc4eIqE1M6jGubJu1E0zeX7YCuXMBUG/Prj9hm7Dh03iavfDj551Y2oiv5b1B TVFajhhHvfjlOvcW/qbY0ff2G1wda1MP/VFSlbWHKVNLKuwXmgJSLCAD0JPTKFop zCkax88qga/1A+StQh6nNysstWFQjbnHH0eHKmKIAhXd5EJBa5n1ChNzM9AE4tF1 +kDyGdFKsznjcfCVq17yTi7Qg7lH4IZGaTIT0G9DYn4+JD807htNtFY8W+Oi0u6F SbO6hYYGmRwNDHUN5cS1SJYxmwJIJw5QINSu/halo4pZ/LoTCqQWsXll6uItSYkK i6t6JnlFaCpzvmlKYEkvYJ4pFP1YBNJs/60yWUTB2pr0oBqqXTgn6vF01DCGy+RC U0Iwswrlg13G+KFND75f =RxrC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --83uMsuLKbFt6piaHR03dIK86aVcBQqvH9-- From nobody Thu May 22 12:40:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F2A1A032F for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 12:40:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.045 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.045 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.793, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mKjvq60ZOPFR for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 12:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AACB81A0347 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 12:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h25n7-s-oev-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com ([81.229.146.25] helo=vigonier.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WnYqU-0003QJ-AK; Thu, 22 May 2014 12:40:06 -0700 Message-ID: <537E528D.2060601@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 21:39:57 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , Tools Team Discussion References: <537E374E.7030209@levkowetz.com> <537E3D3B.5050205@levkowetz.com> <537E442C.9010003@fifthhorseman.net> In-Reply-To: <537E442C.9010003@fifthhorseman.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7c5BWvvRI5nw4eOTkQ14Gv5elIDSGjsf9" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.229.146.25 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/mJoC2IANrizXIN2RNUkY93wENIE Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: New xml2rfc release: 2.4.7 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 19:40:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --7c5BWvvRI5nw4eOTkQ14Gv5elIDSGjsf9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniel, On 2014-05-22 20:38 Daniel Kahn Gillmor said the following: > On 05/22/2014 02:08 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> This announces the release of xml2rfc version 2.4.7, available for dow= nload >> from: >>=20 >> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/xml2rfc >> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc2/cli/ >>=20 >> The purpose of this release, coming right on the heels of 2.4.6, is >> to add knowledge of alternative bibxml repositories, given that the >> usual site xml.resource.org is currently down. >=20 > Thanks for this, Henrik! I've uploaded 2.4.7 into debian unstable now.= > It should propagate to the debian archive shortly. Great! > a couple notes: >=20 > The tarball available at pypi appears to have some emacs temporary file= s > (test/valid/*.nroff~) shipped within it. you may want to clean those u= p > for future releases. Oops. Will do. > Speaking of moving to https, there are a number of places in the packag= e > documentation that use http where they could use https. The attached > patch (relative to the 2.4.7 tarball) should address those cases. Thanks! The PKG-INFO files are generated from information in setup.py an= d files that it pulls in, so nothing to patch there; the rest has been appl= ied and committed. > Thanks for your work on xml2rfc, Thank you :-) Best regards, Henrik --7c5BWvvRI5nw4eOTkQ14Gv5elIDSGjsf9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTflKNAAoJEE6bV0uPuxcaMY0QAIj2QyMbmvB/axtF0dZOCRIs Vdg5nghUMn/29088VRvpN1nTGPQ4/tjZjY4BQ6eBAzLDiQHqEI+fW6q63nQ5ljtH Y8ZPLq6Xf0J+LZzNYw8ysvUsXRyE8DHDzsXBaNj2RFWx8QtP8QV5XZjWKSpy5F8v x4k7ffUQtHPNMkn9Mp0uXii4qz9hxqlEMK37LWRYl4bdktMCurQ8hTizmQNWhmFD G3hDi60wgH0n83ANbYA8nrg6dwM8N4n1lx2QEt0qKEHtNxqV8EnQFTxaqmpWldaw nJBFYuVTCoivjLyPnuGYeXTYVnHER9XsQBKe3ebeIYYPCZULRk0qsrNh5FrBwBSv YBLt8K/Hk8OjxZCKwJaIQydf/Gb80bsxarCpe9Hk6b5wIJP9ZhxD4fx+DT5AhDeS 56/hrJEdwLLo4Qzocyo+BtcDSFdFjn11bNM5Zp/bhLmkFx6j+oE8Y2RQXIpP9M7y 7czTqstqGdvKMahyEN0mKgBvEWZpVyg4o/lsZj1wI3WurTFyjZfSXnmZ8VfS75p2 19nhFPgcOko3ecysfhSUDCZHm4xMhKyk6Gd8OndpT4hNPkV64giNzs/4AgtXxeRa lbeMl90wr4gdwN9Hk7IjjRwOZVZJAhEpYLiS6n791C1XpEJuE1ZCp1tAehRx2UBC qCQTMu2rDVXwxH6Oh4o7 =CiBi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7c5BWvvRI5nw4eOTkQ14Gv5elIDSGjsf9-- From nobody Thu May 22 13:00:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34D31A0351 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 13:00:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.044 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.044 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2eiRKN-3vRbP for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 13:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (sub4.mail.dreamhost.com [69.163.253.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47F61A0271 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 13:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC41594071 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 13:00:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=5ASMZbGMP6n4VaBVLOAm Zr9sCZY=; b=MTpQEKLxI464oeiYIteUWTU5gNYCAh+dl9J6LkMlXxMUWppufh3X BRrmjdxylYko/HJC+ZwY1pXv+jI1kOZp1KdL0rKVS8mZMekodKgM2KUcc/7gxR1L IHO59+Vxv9yDS9zxGXO8feUmSxmEOSV65+SbwwiNlC7UgmwZM91xeM0= Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DCD70594059 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 13:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id bs8so4932439wib.0 for ; Thu, 22 May 2014 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.186.8 with SMTP id fg8mr18191609wic.39.1400788839474; Thu, 22 May 2014 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.29.200 with HTTP; Thu, 22 May 2014 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <537DAC7A.3050403@levkowetz.com> References: <537D8358.5090209@att.com> <537DAC7A.3050403@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 15:00:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/hOVNOPWmQSFgQcrGY8DKNQN3NyA Cc: Tony Hansen , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 20:00:43 -0000 On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > I suggest we start moving away from using a non-IETF dns address for this > *NOW*. I believe I suggested the same the last time we had this problem. Agreed. > There's a copy of the service running at xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org, which is > an address I re-pointed as soon as I had moved the services over to another > tools machine. Thanks! > I offered to host a copy of what was on the original xml.resource.org a number > of years ago, but never intended the tools copy to be the only one up. When > Marshall's machine went out of circulation, it was left as the only one up, > however, and I'd dearly love to get this moved over to one of the servers > run by the secretariat. And make xml.resource.org redirect to it. But also, if we could make xml2rfc support URNs for referring to external bibxml entries... that'd just be awesome. Nico -- From nobody Thu May 22 22:33:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3C81A037A; Thu, 22 May 2014 22:33:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hpBVyvoF21lR; Thu, 22 May 2014 22:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79C2D1A03A5; Thu, 22 May 2014 22:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Wni6A-0007I0-Po; Fri, 23 May 2014 05:32:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 14:32:53 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: IETF Action User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/C0lW2QPAFWmj08miT4IUgFJyJxU Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: [Tools-discuss] it keeps asking authors, does not trust me X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 05:33:00 -0000 when i submit a -xx, where xx>00, i still get The submission is pending approval by the authors of the previous version. An email has been sent to: "Steven Bellovin" , "Randy Bush" , "David Ward" even though i selected myself as submitter. randy From nobody Fri May 23 00:34:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DE21A0369 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 00:34:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.887 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id abYGD3dgpmRg for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 00:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx11.netapp.com (mx11.netapp.com [216.240.18.76]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 519AC1A00DA for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 00:33:59 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.98,892,1392192000"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="124785355" Received: from vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) by mx11-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 23 May 2014 00:33:57 -0700 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.246]) by vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 23 May 2014 00:33:57 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] legacy http links in https://tools.ietf.org/ should move to https Thread-Index: AQHPdd0DHgqWQ8jW+E68NzlSeBgMr5tOPFMA Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 07:33:56 +0000 Message-ID: <2A78DEA4-7614-47DC-8DF2-93FDEA98387C@netapp.com> References: <537E2931.4070204@fifthhorseman.net> In-Reply-To: <537E2931.4070204@fifthhorseman.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.19] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F17F4D66-6E2F-4512-9DBC-53EE12C21A47"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/224_hyifdVLP4APAhMUSfnVaQNE Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] legacy http links in https://tools.ietf.org/ should move to https X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 07:34:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F17F4D66-6E2F-4512-9DBC-53EE12C21A47 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, in my datatracker development branch, I've changed all URLs to be = protocol relative = (http://www.paulirish.com/2010/the-protocol-relative-url/). It requires more testing, but will result in everything staying on HTTPS = once we enable HSTS. Lars On 2014-5-22, at 18:43, Daniel Kahn Gillmor = wrote: > hi good tools folks-- >=20 > i notice that many of the hyperlinks in https://tools.ietf.org/ point = to > somewhere within http://tools.ietf.org, and other cleartext sites = rather > than using https where possible. >=20 > We should be encouraging the use of https if possible. If you want to > provide http links when the overview page is served via http, and = https > when the page is served via https, you can just remove the scheme (so > the URL would look like href=3D"//tools.ietf.org/whatever") or you = could > remove the scheme and the host itself (so the URL would look like > href=3D"/whatever"). >=20 > here is a list of all the http:// sites (with a count of the number of > times they appear): >=20 > 1 http://aaa-sec.com > 1 http://bap.googlecode.com > 1 http://beta.iana.org > 1 http://fenron.net > 3 http://greenbytes.de > 1 http://lyx2rfc.org > 2 http://mail.tools.ietf.org > 1 http://pypi.python.org > 1 http://rtg.ietf.org > 2 http://svn.tools.ietf.org > 36 http://tools.ietf.org > 1 http://vinegen.com > 1 http://wiki.python.org > 1 http://www.anfdata.cz > 4 http://www.arkko.com > 1 http://www.ericsson.com > 1 http://www.google.com > 2 http://www.ietf.org > 7 http://www.isi.edu > 1 http://www.isoc.org > 1 http://www.itunes.com > 1 http://www.nao.ac.jp > 1 http://www.netnod.se > 1 http://www.rfc-editor.org > 1 http://xml.resource.org >=20 >=20 > derived from: >=20 > grep 'href=3D["'\'']http:' index.html | \ > sed -r 's_.*href=3D["'\''](https?://[^/"'\'']*)[/"].*_\1_' | \ > sort | uniq -c >=20 > Of these, the following sites appear to offer valid https today: >=20 > bap.googlecode.com > greenbytes.de > mail.tools.ietf.org > pypi.python.org > svn.tools.ietf.org > tools.ietf.org > wiki.python.org > www.google.com > www.ietf.org > www.isi.edu > www.isoc.org > www.itunes.com > www.netnod.se > www.rfc-editor.org >=20 > thanks for maintaining the IETF tools infrastructure, >=20 > --dkg >=20 > --=20 > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please reports datatracker.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > Please reports tools.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_F17F4D66-6E2F-4512-9DBC-53EE12C21A47 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; 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Fri, 23 May 2014 12:44:15 +0100 Received: from [IPv6:2001:630:d0:ed04:70ce:83ab:ec0c:347b] ([IPv6:2001:630:d0:ed04:70ce:83ab:ec0c:347b]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s4NBiDBa018592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 23 May 2014 12:44:14 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Tim Chown In-Reply-To: <87D7B29E-76BA-4790-B394-0F32EBC584D4@tzi.org> Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 12:44:15 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <4E1F6AAD24975D4BA5B16804296739439AD2DE0A@TK5EX14MBXC293.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <537DC5BD.8090002@levkowetz.com> <87D7B29E-76BA-4790-B394-0F32EBC584D4@tzi.org> To: Carsten Bormann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-smtpf-Report: sid=q4MCiE054605228900; tid=q4MCiE0546052289uX; client=relay,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=5:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: s4NBiEre020887 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/vlMCLJelQ7dDr4DrzgIvRkAcphU Cc: "xml2rfc@ietf.org" , Henrik Levkowetz , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [xml2rfc] xml.resource.org is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 11:44:26 -0000 Hi Thanks for this - I=92d missed this and wondered what was up. Running under xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org long term seems a good idea. I = applied the URL change locally to the relevant files and it works fine = from the new location. Best wishes, Tim On 22 May 2014, at 11:03, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On May 22 2014, at 11:39, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >=20 >> I aim to provide all the resources on xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org in the = interim. >=20 > Thank you! >=20 > I'll push out an emergency kramdown-rfc2629 pointing to that. >=20 > Can we assume: >=20 > 1) that the new URLs are stable >=20 > 2) that they will be updated reasonably fast, once everything gets = going again? >=20 > Or do I need to switch back to xml.resource.org? >=20 > Oh, and maybe the frontpage on xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org can also point = to xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org as opposed to xml.resource.org >=20 > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc From nobody Fri May 23 05:48:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3431A01A9 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 05:48:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TVD_MIME_NO_HEADERS=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qBo1uHwmvxJB for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 05:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.252.184]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB0FA1A01A8 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 05:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB4D20039; Fri, 23 May 2014 08:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id E5ED563B0B; Fri, 23 May 2014 08:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9B363B0A; Fri, 23 May 2014 08:48:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "Eggert\, Lars" In-Reply-To: <2A78DEA4-7614-47DC-8DF2-93FDEA98387C@netapp.com> References: <537E2931.4070204@fifthhorseman.net> <2A78DEA4-7614-47DC-8DF2-93FDEA98387C@netapp.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/qSZWxHAVHTH4D3DKoQNpE_-DPJ8 Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] legacy http links in https://tools.ietf.org/ should move to https X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 12:48:17 -0000 --=-=-= Thanks for doing this. Eggert, Lars wrote: > in my datatracker development branch, I've changed all URLs to be > protocol relative > (http://www.paulirish.com/2010/the-protocol-relative-url/). > It requires more testing, but will result in everything staying on > HTTPS once we enable HSTS. Do we already generate https: in any emails we send out? -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBU39DiYCLcPvd0N1lAQKnOAgAoQ5Y186qFDOmDJP7qxYtk+/FWL9ti1yz ivpoOq8LClJpz4fSRTI/qAMNUt9qhlg8Zs16qKwnGRHJtcmICVXLUbMEFP0ZS4Cv F1dn8OENyeqh4wm+LtwfC3by2DpcBETT8XoAiELpLBLwLEPjzB5TG0H+1rFGHzb4 4eA55h6+8XFd0SEjJmsPkSAQMuZG+0zi3yKGG2qz/1Fe2Pl+6avMsr6MqWE7n0OR myoLlW7kFcY2WPVVFhDdnNiQm3kWef2Ul91X9CkonFRlx/4OFlwFpQ0dccNCzSZ2 AhulULtzFpULsD1leYut3pNaVOZbYMod3P2yRCHB1O6ZDBYvkF3OTw== =cHzJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Fri May 23 05:56:52 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914791A047B; Fri, 23 May 2014 05:56:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id opWbziKN-VJG; Fri, 23 May 2014 05:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDE911A046B; Fri, 23 May 2014 05:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (76-218-8-156.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.8.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s4NCuh8H004275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 23 May 2014 05:56:47 -0700 Message-ID: <537F456D.60202@bbiw.net> Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 05:56:13 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush , IETF Action References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.67]); Fri, 23 May 2014 05:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/rY2oTaW96beaJRzNBJfVfRYJYH4 Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] it keeps asking authors, does not trust me X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 12:56:50 -0000 On 5/22/2014 10:32 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > when i submit a -xx, where xx>00, i still get > > The submission is pending approval by the authors of the previous > version. An email has been sent to: "Steven Bellovin" > , "Randy Bush" , "David Ward" > > > even though i selected myself as submitter. Sounds like the anti-spoofing, submission validation check is working properly. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Fri May 23 07:49:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467601A04AF for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 07:49:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e1X3Z8xsWQHz for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 07:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from che.mayfirst.org (che.mayfirst.org [209.234.253.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F211A01D8 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 07:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.70.10.78] (unknown [38.109.115.130]) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 89DB6F986; Fri, 23 May 2014 10:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <537F6000.4010302@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 10:49:36 -0400 From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eggert, Lars" References: <537E2931.4070204@fifthhorseman.net> <2A78DEA4-7614-47DC-8DF2-93FDEA98387C@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <2A78DEA4-7614-47DC-8DF2-93FDEA98387C@netapp.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6+git0.20140323 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="II1Gdua1CJ65HarrBFtQMBSwv0ck93jvP" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/248oAHtZ93Nx-ZRCELgqiJreYhU Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] legacy http links in https://tools.ietf.org/ should move to https X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 14:49:41 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --II1Gdua1CJ65HarrBFtQMBSwv0ck93jvP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/23/2014 03:33 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote: > in my datatracker development branch, I've changed all URLs to be proto= col relative (http://www.paulirish.com/2010/the-protocol-relative-url/). Thanks! There are some external links to sites that don't offer https, though -- the ones that are in the first list but not the second in my earlier e-mail (e.g. lyx2rfc.org). If you set those links to be protocol-relative, they're likely to fail. > It requires more testing, but will result in everything staying on HTTP= S once we enable HSTS. Once you enable HSTS, everything in the sites on which you've enabled HSTS will stay on HTTPS anyway, for any HSTS-enabled browser :) if you've got an URL that includes a hostname, and you know that host offers https, it's probably better to go ahead and explicitly include the https, rather than using protocol-relative. Why possibly send someone to the cleartext version of an external site if you know that site supports https? --dkg --II1Gdua1CJ65HarrBFtQMBSwv0ck93jvP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJTf2ABXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQjk2OTEyODdBN0FEREUzNzU3RDkxMUVB NTI0MDFCMTFCRkRGQTVDAAoJEKUkAbEb/fpcjeQQAK1VRLmEtLl30CymJJD7F43l Imqk0/SWThrbnbnaLH0gyEjVkzjPdGC5utKQLHz04+0n19dNsuC3j/DUe4AG6cgU GJGjmtoBUaiFWBCjTJMZulGzCLpGDxP8+6119Z8uuy31ytKnFsNr/G/D9lk79GuP vJxqaz0ALFbN87IT20CZ83VcvYRzoox6D27U9Nry7DmeUF61ixQIy21YI2RNIfls NKPJ1CK/n3pq5QE0icJwCprA16pG0EIV5Bv1lOHdtMHf47ncJ8MVPR7fDXTDbidC f/g52zd0HaHmM7l6tSXyCw3mg8H70h/YPCSvqQ3nTQHBdgKB5Mc6q+SJg4oq+YDb OmqhPErplBVD6n0s3NPNJJo0v+z9sVjQec2u3eiu7oeUqTre8kgJO9pDXk62h/PY +aSFIzEJ1Z037u5tTtL8LAapENUt3PZh9Fo8BXDLMQcXbxDBXVvgN0Zxs37VBWCh pv+PORNKDQoA5z4VZ/OhNd3F6W3RoqjNcm/422zkO9rt+vjh8xdPQt7Sw+x0nqDI 9AFEKqnrtBrMYxuxGs2o2PywXHILrp3E9D1Z4d1qt4kH5I76XD043fYhHoG8xDRJ O+yxwnOxcFV/mNmOGRtYa3W+mdc1Rq8i47RNFpP4CguzDoyj65P8ljN4PAb+bAyp 6G3ZI3M3X6CgACTjVjmj =NXTt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --II1Gdua1CJ65HarrBFtQMBSwv0ck93jvP-- From nobody Fri May 23 07:54:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5AC1A01D8 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 07:54:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jgj7evtvG1HV for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 07:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx12.netapp.com (mx12.netapp.com [216.240.18.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94D761A01CE for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 07:54:53 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.98,894,1392192000"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="166158266" Received: from vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.239]) by mx12-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 23 May 2014 07:54:52 -0700 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.246]) by vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.239]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 23 May 2014 07:54:51 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] legacy http links in https://tools.ietf.org/ should move to https Thread-Index: AQHPdd0DHgqWQ8jW+E68NzlSeBgMr5tOPFMAgAB5ugCAAAF2AA== Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 14:54:50 +0000 Message-ID: References: <537E2931.4070204@fifthhorseman.net> <2A78DEA4-7614-47DC-8DF2-93FDEA98387C@netapp.com> <537F6000.4010302@fifthhorseman.net> In-Reply-To: <537F6000.4010302@fifthhorseman.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.18] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5F18A8BE-4DA4-4883-B05D-227AA3D4A18B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/NB0upgC-9fMEhvUOCZLUxftsi-I Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] legacy http links in https://tools.ietf.org/ should move to https X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 14:54:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5F18A8BE-4DA4-4883-B05D-227AA3D4A18B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On 2014-5-23, at 16:49, Daniel Kahn Gillmor = wrote: > Thanks! There are some external links to sites that don't offer = https, > though -- the ones that are in the first list but not the second in my > earlier e-mail (e.g. lyx2rfc.org). If you set those links to be > protocol-relative, they're likely to fail. right, hence the need for more testing. Also note that your email was about tools.ietf.org, whereas I work on = datatracker.ietf.org. The tools page is Henrik's alone (AFAIK). Lars --Apple-Mail=_5F18A8BE-4DA4-4883-B05D-227AA3D4A18B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBU39hOtZcnpRveo1xAQJlyAQAoidzM1qtutQT7Ax/6OIhPL7GfQxqe0Ip IZtckEKMzGrsbIpsb4IxqR9cqQ9uYyOx/p+YgybwhcqfpCGmiQ2ctz3jcAhfyQCx Q2NpDy5fGgpRs3gontJe584+xJxbzwpo729QZObu+k3tg5a/uH5im7aLz/a/GmDS mLwwtFfVhyM= =m3vO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_5F18A8BE-4DA4-4883-B05D-227AA3D4A18B-- From nobody Fri May 23 17:07:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31851A0257 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 17:07:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.044 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.044 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 71kZLjwUfxKI for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 17:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a107.g.dreamhost.com (sub4.mail.dreamhost.com [69.163.253.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A7B1A0246 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 17:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a107.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a107.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5F02007F10B for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 17:07:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; s= cryptonector.com; bh=ie1YV8WiaMWEvdSCP8kbIv1N6aM=; b=sRYvhivVtMG bS2nEy9OqCaKsVn5pgDYRy5Jzud0IJvcg3jP6IPsp53Etoy26a3FceqDH63TOcRs aQZNHtqv0aG3q+9cTZHvAD+BTOb2fxqijkmDq8557GA4ld+pXOwaTkX6AN0oO/Ma MC0PMKhuy3DCQMh0hjKjc5A2rC3+E5F0= Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com (mail-wg0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a107.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DC452007F10A for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 17:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id m15so5530513wgh.32 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 17:07:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.77.225 with SMTP id v1mr6442471wiw.5.1400890033325; Fri, 23 May 2014 17:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.29.200 with HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2014 17:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 19:07:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/wFprlPhuFGJr2A1xrfWEgWs--yY Subject: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org links to xml.resource.org! X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 00:07:18 -0000 http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/ links to http://xml.resource.org/authoring/draft-mrose-writing-rfcs.html, which, of course, is still not available. Nico -- From nobody Fri May 23 19:13:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516771A02F4 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 19:13:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bTCTrlG85-An for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 19:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp02.att.com (egssmtp02.att.com [144.160.128.166]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D131A02E6 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 19:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp02.att.com ( EGS R6 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s4O2DobA000472 for ; Fri, 23 May 2014 19:13:50 -0700 Received: from vpn-135-70-98-59.vpn.swst.att.com ([135.70.98.59]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140524021349gw100j0c1je>; Sat, 24 May 2014 02:13:49 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.98.59] Message-ID: <5380005C.4030509@att.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 22:13:48 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nico Williams , Tools Team Discussion References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/gKZiE_NWmbZT0eCBof5JrFtCDnA Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org links to xml.resource.org! X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 02:13:54 -0000 On 5/23/14, 8:07 PM, Nico Williams wrote: > http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/ links to > http://xml.resource.org/authoring/draft-mrose-writing-rfcs.html, > which, of course, is still not available. most of these links have been fixed to be relative links. Tony Hansen From nobody Tue May 27 04:34:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62B11A00D8 for ; Tue, 27 May 2014 04:34:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.045 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.045 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.793, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4fOdJogoNK3L for ; Tue, 27 May 2014 04:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB30E1A00BE for ; Tue, 27 May 2014 04:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=tannat.netnod.se) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WpFe5-0003N1-KK; Tue, 27 May 2014 04:34:17 -0700 Message-ID: <53847838.2020409@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 13:34:16 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russell Watson , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/oXQOxpj_LTmXqKo9MQ0mZw4v2q4 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] A question from an interested party: who may use the diff tool service? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 11:34:23 -0000 Hi Russel, On 2014-05-27 11:34 Russell Watson said: > Hello Henrik & IETF-people, > > I stumbled across your website recently and find your text-diff page > particularly useful (http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff). > > I am a software & FileMaker database developer and have been using > the diff-service to help identify changes in my own software. I have > developed my own little utility wrapper, which calls up your service > with standard settings, so that it is even easier for me to use... > > HOWEVER - I have not been able to find any specific information about > who may use the service and for what, and wanted to check that this > is allowed? Certainly. My only worry would be if you used the service so much that it brought the server to its knees ,:-) > Moreover, I have been considering that other FileMaker developers may > find the service useful, and wanted thus to ask if I may pass on my > utility to use your rfcdiff tool on to other developers. The same condition applies. Of course, if the demand became very large, I might consider putting it on a separate server, and making the IETF- specific header/footer stripping an option. > If not - which I fully accept, I would be grateful if you happen to > know of any other such diffing-tools. > > Thanking you very much! You're welcome, Henrik From nobody Tue May 27 08:15:54 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D8A1A013B for ; Tue, 27 May 2014 08:15:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DsX914j9lEHb for ; Tue, 27 May 2014 08:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35271A0166 for ; Tue, 27 May 2014 08:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aither.local (unknown [24.8.129.242]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E842240C58; Tue, 27 May 2014 09:15:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <5384AC1F.2040703@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 09:15:43 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/J50Y8qVgAComdw_kSvTdYioNYsA Subject: [Tools-discuss] UUID mismatches on SVN repo X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 15:15:53 -0000 When attempting to commit changes to the STOX repo just now, I received this error: svn: E170009: Repository UUID '3c85eae1-d86a-4165-a94a-da8c2f375bfb' doesn't match expected UUID '6989190a-9bb8-4c5e-9923-b62f02be28ea' Has anyone else seen similar issues? Thanks! Peter From nobody Tue May 27 13:09:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC7D1A004E for ; Tue, 27 May 2014 02:11:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.451 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.451 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mLXJLHuckShC for ; Tue, 27 May 2014 02:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qc0-x241.google.com (mail-qc0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FA2F1A0049 for ; 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boundary=001a113a3740b75d9f04fa5e159e Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/DzHN792s8KtloGMNHhLmeHsCDqs X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 May 2014 13:09:46 -0700 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Loginmgr-0.18 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 09:11:49 -0000 --001a113a3740b75d9f04fa5e159e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 --001a113a3740b75d9f04fa5e159e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 --001a113a3740b75d9f04fa5e159e-- From russell@mrwatson.de Tue May 27 02:34:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F021A006D for ; Tue, 27 May 2014 02:34:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OfoejJotG7XN for ; 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 10:09:08 -0000 Hello Henrik & IETF-people, I stumbled across your website recently and find your text-diff page = particularly useful (http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff). I am a software & FileMaker database developer and have been using the = diff-service to help identify changes in my own software. I have = developed my own little utility wrapper, which calls up your service = with standard settings, so that it is even easier for me to use... HOWEVER - I have not been able to find any specific information about = who may use the service and for what, and wanted to check that this is = allowed? Moreover, I have been considering that other FileMaker developers may = find the service useful, and wanted thus to ask if I may pass on my = utility to use your rfcdiff tool on to other developers. If not - which I fully accept, I would be grateful if you happen to know = of any other such diffing-tools. Thanking you very much! Russell Watson www.MrWatson.de From nobody Tue May 27 16:33:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50DC1A07B6; Tue, 27 May 2014 16:33:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.652 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.652 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dspZNYMPcrXZ; Tue, 27 May 2014 16:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp02.att.com (egssmtp02.att.com [144.160.128.166]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2231A02AF; Tue, 27 May 2014 16:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp02.att.com ( EGS R6 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s4RNXRrb022514; Tue, 27 May 2014 16:33:27 -0700 Received: from vpn-135-70-97-26.vpn.swst.att.com ([135.70.97.26]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140527233326gw100j0c25e>; Tue, 27 May 2014 23:33:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.97.26] Message-ID: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 19:33:24 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc mailing list , Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/hV9uD5rySXJpa55Oj9_JHdC7GyA Subject: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 23:33:32 -0000 The domain name xml.resource.org is back up again. You may use either the name xml.resource.org or xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org in the future. Tony Hansen From nobody Tue May 27 23:32:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6721A0380; Tue, 27 May 2014 23:32:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6XqAF0ZwfpOs; Tue, 27 May 2014 23:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA256 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DE261A037F; Tue, 27 May 2014 23:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([93.217.89.89]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MO7Ca-1WsrK83VJM-005Xm8; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:32:17 +0200 Message-ID: <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 08:32:13 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen , xml2rfc mailing list , Tools Team Discussion References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> In-Reply-To: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hO78AwTDWG+9t5dpCCNKUcvUCy7MEZVeaUqAC3+E3ej/v3HBU6q r+iZhte+gvU/uN1PoUGvIuiqAu2SxGjye37PIiedobsXFhOFF51ewvpyeHphycyEo5qniDP oy7xsIF7mhUf1PCm1nCNUW3JlJSpdfjpD/9dTlaReXpPsahOgsFUPAOxw4ka0H8Vn5x9R5H Cu64SwqtmXahJqP01oF1A== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/W1hyKEU5SBKi-lR388gEbL2VXt0 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 06:32:27 -0000 On 2014-05-28 01:33, Tony Hansen wrote: > The domain name xml.resource.org is back up again. > > You may use either the name xml.resource.org or xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org > in the future. > > Tony Hansen Is there a preference of what should *should* be used in the future? Best regards, Julian From nobody Wed May 28 00:32:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6F51A03B9; Wed, 28 May 2014 00:32:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NwD7UTMQ2DXB; Wed, 28 May 2014 00:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37EC71A03A2; Wed, 28 May 2014 00:32:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s4S7Vxuo024854; Wed, 28 May 2014 09:31:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eduroam-pool7-2028.wlan.uni-bremen.de (eduroam-pool7-2028.wlan.uni-bremen.de [134.102.119.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0201D1EEE; Wed, 28 May 2014 09:31:58 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 09:31:58 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 422955118.12684-914f0c70bc10a91a996ea495ebb84860 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> To: xml2rfc mailing list , Tools Team Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/-ye3rkuxnQFALR2eo67phrD00Rg Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 07:32:13 -0000 > Is there a preference of what should *should* be used in the future? +1. Toolmakers need a clear statement of direction that either 1) the DNS for xml.resource.org is now under IETF control 2) we are migrating to ____ (xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org, = xml2rfc.ietf.org???) Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From nobody Wed May 28 05:13:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BF91A0099; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:13:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.045 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.045 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.793, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kSNzcVBsnvIj; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C15271A00C5; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=tannat.netnod.se) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wpcj2-0007EB-FQ; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:12:56 -0700 Message-ID: <5385D2C6.30808@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 14:12:54 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann , xml2rfc mailing list , Tools Team Discussion References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/hf-b07WOYsgSixHz8NfkUnLVcMg Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 12:13:07 -0000 On 2014-05-28 09:31 Carsten Bormann said: >> Is there a preference of what should *should* be used in the future? > > +1. Toolmakers need a clear statement of direction that either > > 1) the DNS for xml.resource.org is now under IETF control > 2) we are migrating to ____ (xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org, xml2rfc.ietf.org???) My proposal is that we migrate to xml2rfc.ietf.org. Best regards, Henrik From nobody Wed May 28 05:34:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6871A096E for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:34:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.045 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.045 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.793, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yPrYdPm3Uio7 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C0371A096B for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=tannat.netnod.se) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wpd3n-0001gw-I7; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:34:23 -0700 Message-ID: <5385D7CE.1090506@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 14:34:22 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Saint-Andre , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <5384AC1F.2040703@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: <5384AC1F.2040703@stpeter.im> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/54nOEfvCSpieARa4QpjyxSeccrE Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] UUID mismatches on SVN repo X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 12:34:28 -0000 Hi Peter, On 2014-05-27 17:15 Peter Saint-Andre said: > When attempting to commit changes to the STOX repo just now, I received > this error: > > svn: E170009: Repository UUID '3c85eae1-d86a-4165-a94a-da8c2f375bfb' > doesn't match expected UUID '6989190a-9bb8-4c5e-9923-b62f02be28ea' > > Has anyone else seen similar issues? Identical copies (and backups) of all the repos should have been kept on all the tools servers, updated from the primary svn server. When the primary ran into filesystem corruption last week, I shifted to one of the others, which took over as primary. For the repositories that I use myself, the shift was without hiccup; the repository UUID had been properly transferred over. However, from what you're saying, this was not the case for the stox repo. Would you be kind enough to do a checkout of stox from the current repo, and diff with your old repo, to see if there are any discrepancies? If not, I should be able to do 'svnadmin setuuid' here to change the repo uuid back to the previous one. If there are discrepancies, I'll have to look at the backups, and may need to coordinate more with you off-list. Best regards, Henrik From nobody Wed May 28 05:41:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3D31A0928; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:41:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lHYwJ4XUNO1D; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com (shell-too.nominum.com [64.89.228.229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F0091A0980; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A271B801A; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-01.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E2519005C; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.40] (192.168.1.10) by CAS-01.WIN.NOMINUM.COM (192.168.1.100) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:40:50 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: <5385D2C6.30808@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 08:40:46 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> <5385D2C6.30808@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.10] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/IZ1LtlNUTwpOfLJE8Ap76nFfjS8 Cc: Carsten Bormann , xml2rfc mailing list , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 12:41:00 -0000 On May 28, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Henrik Levkowetz = wrote: > My proposal is that we migrate to xml2rfc.ietf.org. That seems like a good intermediate step, although it might be worth = iterating on the name at some point. From nobody Wed May 28 05:42:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50721A0928; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:42:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.872 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.872 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eQwrUcQQOJ0v; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42BCF1A0383; Wed, 28 May 2014 05:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s4SCggtg011359; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:42:42 +0100 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk s4SCggtg011359 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1401280963; bh=yMyYjUPSjIUNZn1vqVyYPyp3yto=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=avAtCVmkHag2F62jf8vU5OuDQoX0HaQTwQ56/vfovXldD3hddEiF7UdVOr33H7pOS BIlIqSRmiW1Ag/SPn5A4hDGprutSPlR+27s7+Nc84b1IAJTQQJ4Iji+H8NIt2LZ2VW 8yqH1n1MfFcxnXY61NleSO5M2A4VPDl/8gCrRGc8= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25d]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id q4RDgg05460219389k ret-id none; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:42:42 +0100 Received: from tjc-vpn.ecs.soton.ac.uk (tjc-vpn.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.236.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s4SCgfZi002200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 28 May 2014 13:42:41 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) From: Tim Chown In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 13:42:41 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> <5385D2C6.30808@levkowetz.com> To: Ted Lemon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) X-smtpf-Report: sid=q4RDgg054602193800; tid=q4RDgg05460219389k; client=relay,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=5:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: s4SCggtg011359 X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/ejTSqTqItX-iqflm0wnVtgkK1WQ Cc: xml2rfc mailing list , Carsten Bormann , Henrik Levkowetz , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [xml2rfc] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 12:42:51 -0000 On 28 May 2014, at 13:40, Ted Lemon wrote: > On May 28, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Henrik Levkowetz = wrote: >> My proposal is that we migrate to xml2rfc.ietf.org. >=20 > That seems like a good intermediate step, although it might be worth = iterating on the name at some point. The important thing is anchoring under ietf.org, where its directly = there or as xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org. And thanks again for all the hard work on the tools, as ever. Tim From nobody Wed May 28 07:41:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04D81A0435; Wed, 28 May 2014 07:41:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i1zy8zaBbW3O; Wed, 28 May 2014 07:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D04A1A0142; Wed, 28 May 2014 07:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Wpf2L-0006cp-Sy; Wed, 28 May 2014 14:41:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 23:41:12 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <5385D2C6.30808@levkowetz.com> References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> <5385D2C6.30808@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/JbrQW1OyK32tn0_HNQu9xg2rpkg Cc: Carsten Bormann , xml2rfc mailing list , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [xml2rfc] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 14:41:34 -0000 > My proposal is that we migrate to xml2rfc.ietf.org. aol From nobody Wed May 28 08:01:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A635A1A042C; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:00:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u3NreFpNz-lE; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp02.att.com (egssmtp02.att.com [144.160.128.166]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668931A09DE; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp02.att.com ( EGS R6 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s4SF0Ds4031951; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:00:13 -0700 Received: from vpn-135-70-98-160.vpn.swst.att.com ([135.70.98.160]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140528150012gw100j0c26e>; Wed, 28 May 2014 15:00:13 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.98.160] Message-ID: <5385F9F8.6090808@att.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 11:00:08 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc mailing list , Tools Team Discussion , RFC Interest References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/J4NWXiLsFoLdvGLxamXQKOjiOtA Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [xml2rfc] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 15:00:58 -0000 On 5/28/14, 3:31 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> Is there a preference of what should *should* be used in the future? > +1. Toolmakers need a clear statement of direction that either > > 1) the DNS for xml.resource.org is now under IETF control > 2) we are migrating to ____ (xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org, xml2rfc.ietf.org???) Because of the recent DNS changes for xml.resource.org, and the magic of redirection, the DNS for xml.resource.org is essentially under IETF control. Not 100%, but close enough. (xml.resource.org is now a CNAME pointing to a name under ietf.org that we control.) We now have the time to think about what name or names we REALLY want to use for the future for where these tools should live. Underneath xml.resource.org, we have: tools for generation of RFCs in various formats from the xml2rfc language bibliographic entities for RFCs, internet drafts, and documents from some other SDOs tools for generating xml2rfc documents possibly other items I don't remember right now Some suggestions are that we use either xml2rfc.ietf.org or xml.ietf.org. Another suggestion is that these should really be under rfc-editor.org, as in xml2rfc.rfc-editor.org or xml.rfc-editor.org. Another suggestion is that everything should not be bundled together under one domain name. For example, split up the bibliographic entities across multiple domains. (I.e., RFCs could get their bibliographic information from rfc-editor.org, and I-D's could get their bibliographic information from ietf.org.) Tony Hansen From nobody Wed May 28 08:04:49 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB6A1A03E9; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:04:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pzrxSrh8gxHJ; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com (shell-too.nominum.com [64.89.228.229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FDBF1A09AC; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327411B81EB; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-01.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98ED919005C; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.40] (192.168.1.10) by CAS-01.WIN.NOMINUM.COM (192.168.1.100) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:03:03 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: <5385F9F8.6090808@att.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 11:02:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <31BE5990-2447-4A54-B23C-7751CCE3C939@nominum.com> References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> <5385F9F8.6090808@att.com> To: Tony Hansen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.10] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/q3b5C3Lnj18-mbHML-sxHTPoZvo Cc: xml2rfc mailing list , RFC Interest , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [xml2rfc] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 15:04:47 -0000 I've never understood why we were using the xml.resource.org domain--it = doesn't really make any sense, because "xml" is way too generic. So I = don't think there's any value in continuing to use it. I think the = rfc-editor.org/ietf.org split makes a lot of sense, iff the RSE agrees. From nobody Wed May 28 08:39:18 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB321A0427 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:39:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZRktJYBDFuyv for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42C0E1A0366 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.90] (50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s4SFcwI8027399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 28 May 2014 08:39:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: hoffman.proper.com: Host 50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90] claimed to be [10.20.30.90] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <31BE5990-2447-4A54-B23C-7751CCE3C939@nominum.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 08:38:57 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <53971BFD-2AD2-4640-BBA4-2648EDC009B3@vpnc.org> References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> <5385F9F8.6090808@att.com> <31BE5990-2447-4A54-B23C-7751CCE3C939@nominum.com> To: RFC Interest X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/AEd0XxGQoaElp_uY-IIWlhsQL-w Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: [Tools-discuss] Host names and ownership of the XML coverter X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 15:39:11 -0000 On May 28, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > I've never understood why we were using the xml.resource.org = domain--it doesn't really make any sense, because "xml" is way too = generic. So I don't think there's any value in continuing to use it. = I think the rfc-editor.org/ietf.org split makes a lot of sense, iff the = RSE agrees. Let's not rush into this. It reflects a major issue that people that = have with the current use of the XML format that rarely is discussed. The XML format is used much more often for production of Internet Drafts = than it is of RFCs. That is, authors who use XML to produce their drafts = use the tool about five times as often as the RFC Editor does to turn = the final draft into an RFC. Also note that drafts are just drafts: probably only half are = RFCs-to-be. Given this, the XML conversion tool really should not belong to the RFC = Editor, who has different needs for the tool than draft authors. Note = that not all drafts are even in the IETF realm: some are from the IRTF, = some are for the ISE, and some are "I just wanted to publish this to get = people to comment". However, if someone is going to "own" the tool, it = should probably be "the IETF" (as a steward for draft writers = everywhere), and the RFC Editor either has their own (yuck) or = significant input to the tool development for the RFC Editor's needs. And, yes, this affects the domain name used. If the domain name is in = rfc-editor.org, people will expect tool support there. And, yes, "xml2rfc" is a bad name because most of the use of the tool is = for writing Internet Drafts, not RFCs. Thus: xml.ietf.org or xmltool.ietf.org seem most appropriate. --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Wed May 28 08:42:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD261A038E; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:42:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TVD_MIME_NO_HEADERS=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lobLQ4DmsMg2; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.252.184]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E32391A0471; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E50820028; Wed, 28 May 2014 11:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 527A363B0E; Wed, 28 May 2014 11:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C38363B09; Wed, 28 May 2014 11:42:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Tony Hansen In-Reply-To: <5385F9F8.6090808@att.com> References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> <5385F9F8.6090808@att.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/hBX4_vSpxSjXvjAxH863XXiqlyc Cc: xml2rfc mailing list , RFC Interest , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] [xml2rfc] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 15:42:53 -0000 --=-=-= Tony Hansen wrote: > Some suggestions are that we use either xml2rfc.ietf.org or > xml.ietf.org. Another suggestion is that these should really be under > rfc-editor.org, as in xml2rfc.rfc-editor.org or xml.rfc-editor.org. The tools should be under xml2rfc.ietf.org, since some of them (the online copy of xml2rfc... etc...) involve some amount of active computing. The .xml files should be under xml.ietf.org, and should be widely and easily mirrored, since they are just static files in the end. The rfc-editor{.org} should have xml.rfc-editor.org which should have the master copy of all reference.RFCXXXX.xml files, and those links should also be present in the metadata returned by rfc-editor.org/doc/rfcXXXX. > Another suggestion is that everything should not be bundled together under > one domain name. For example, split up the bibliographic entities across > multiple domains. (I.e., RFCs could get their bibliographic information from > rfc-editor.org, and I-D's could get their bibliographic information from > ietf.org.) Yes, canonically that should be the case, but I think that mirrors make sense, and our tools should do URN resolution to find a copy. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBU4YD74CLcPvd0N1lAQKe4gf/VpIoZaGqs7t1IYsdR9TKomNpJRSb3wv2 YJM4OvslUFhOZQrN2ZHjlz0qH5DRokatOVcTocQf+U1lGnisOG58hB0q14ccqd8t WrzA225uRpChUQe2ns379IMkeep9sBm5Ne3PM8fTu2ehxB7IG9DSpa+K4IT41mE5 tvwWYhRyo1NCwqpu+FYg82valkKVyl5a8MQaZMInMl0oFn0JFbVwrMpd60aByu6c HzC7qiPfXjCpVnFF7IiZ1B9ZvA0KbyCbESRF8c6MgfLEdlu2Szmn93J26OtnGFaz DNgm/CEUdTAdU+gnGSIV9x/+FgDXx+SZoY3i5Xs+VED8Va07duoRjg== =BGgW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed May 28 08:46:18 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C934E1A09E4; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:46:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.23 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.23 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YLSU4RIlju2V; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp03.att.com (egssmtp03.att.com [144.160.128.152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88601A0426; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp03.att.com ( egs 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s4SFjsNu000412; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:45:55 -0700 Received: from vpn-135-70-98-160.vpn.swst.att.com ([135.70.98.160]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140528154554gw100j0c28e>; Wed, 28 May 2014 15:45:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.98.160] Message-ID: <538604B1.5030701@att.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 11:45:53 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> <5385F9F8.6090808@att.com> <31BE5990-2447-4A54-B23C-7751CCE3C939@nominum.com> In-Reply-To: <31BE5990-2447-4A54-B23C-7751CCE3C939@nominum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/6j-l7bdFF6zVulA__fS6CcjPrEc Cc: xml2rfc mailing list , RFC Interest , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [xml2rfc] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 15:46:02 -0000 On 5/28/14, 11:02 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > I've never understood why we were using the xml.resource.org domain--it doesn't really make any sense, because "xml" is way too generic. Marshall Rose was the author of RFC 2629 and created xml.resource.org to support it. He may have hoped for it to be the beginning of a number of xml-based resources -- I can't say for sure. Tony Hansen From nobody Wed May 28 09:05:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432A61A0452 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 09:05:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A5KzqHh-jWCY for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 09:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp03.att.com (egssmtp03.att.com [144.160.128.152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043161A04E8 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 09:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp03.att.com ( egs 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s4SG5JTL029676 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 09:05:20 -0700 Received: from vpn-135-70-98-160.vpn.swst.att.com ([135.70.98.160]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140528160519gw100j0c29e>; Wed, 28 May 2014 16:05:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.98.160] Message-ID: <5386093E.405@att.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 12:05:18 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RFC Interest References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> <5385F9F8.6090808@att.com> <31BE5990-2447-4A54-B23C-7751CCE3C939@nominum.com> <53971BFD-2AD2-4640-BBA4-2648EDC009B3@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <53971BFD-2AD2-4640-BBA4-2648EDC009B3@vpnc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/I2jKM2MYFj_BC0idA7wZRJoNlRY Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Host names and ownership of the XML coverter X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 16:05:30 -0000 On 5/28/14, 11:38 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Let's not rush into this. It reflects a major issue that people that have with the current use of the XML format that rarely is discussed. Exactly! We have time to think through the issues. Tony Hansen From nobody Wed May 28 13:16:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD5C1A06B1 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:16:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y4n2q15F75Qy for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-x22e.google.com (mail-pb0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15E121A029F for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id rq2so11726851pbb.19 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:16:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TWWCRHIo5wXpoy8L0BEr+C1IXqR5SPxL2yCXD8pSkKU=; b=WAU9z5Frg+1Kv/64S6eZL1K6Oez5P0h8GAHcWXVwjEDhZcnQ5Z372dJxChVCr03Z/R imQQH4hc/rCAVcYK2xIyw+He7Vo0E+Qhr2pKtyECBQ8o6s+1xmMiQGPJipZHaJGccn7C XB7dqlUYd/J9CqivQj2E8XdpEV7/QT5h6yZDZKDmwOPDkjT1shCjoCC497IIRF8n4Lm0 ZIOs1elFwcS0Bj4Z2yS6WqpjkcyduhjFIAASFdMubPQuyPj+HLb4+iNRo98zFKWx7xJh uxftcV8B0ph7ggFwGQmQ7EI7GhiUnvV4PJ1HyeHqt3dN7ogCf53/YG12UNZgK0QGD7Yu oglg== X-Received: by 10.66.121.70 with SMTP id li6mr2737223pab.14.1401308173529; Wed, 28 May 2014 13:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.23] (209.199.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz. [111.69.199.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ib5sm29786734pbb.55.2014.05.28.13.16.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 28 May 2014 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53864411.8080202@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 08:16:17 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> <5385F9F8.6090808@att.com> <31BE5990-2447-4A54-B23C-7751CCE3C939@nominum.com> <53971BFD-2AD2-4640-BBA4-2648EDC009B3@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <53971BFD-2AD2-4640-BBA4-2648EDC009B3@vpnc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/_YVJ31r29pCH7SeqPGx3Np-TI5s Cc: RFC Interest , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Host names and ownership of the XML coverter X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 20:16:19 -0000 On 29/05/2014 03:38, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On May 28, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > >> I've never understood why we were using the xml.resource.org domain--it doesn't really make any sense, because "xml" is way too generic. So I don't think there's any value in continuing to use it. I think the rfc-editor.org/ietf.org split makes a lot of sense, iff the RSE agrees. > > Let's not rush into this. It reflects a major issue that people that have with the current use of the XML format that rarely is discussed. > > The XML format is used much more often for production of Internet Drafts than it is of RFCs. That is, authors who use XML to produce their drafts use the tool about five times as often as the RFC Editor does to turn the final draft into an RFC. > > Also note that drafts are just drafts: probably only half are RFCs-to-be. > > Given this, the XML conversion tool really should not belong to the RFC Editor, who has different needs for the tool than draft authors. Note that not all drafts are even in the IETF realm: some are from the IRTF, some are for the ISE, and some are "I just wanted to publish this to get people to comment". However, if someone is going to "own" the tool, it should probably be "the IETF" (as a steward for draft writers everywhere), and the RFC Editor either has their own (yuck) or significant input to the tool development for the RFC Editor's needs. > > And, yes, this affects the domain name used. If the domain name is in rfc-editor.org, people will expect tool support there. Indeed, and it's a tool developed by friends-of-the-IETF for use, in the majority, by IETF participants. So common sense says to put it at ietf.org. Precedent suggests that it should be at tools.ietf.org as long as it is maintained by the volunteer pool. > And, yes, "xml2rfc" is a bad name because most of the use of the tool is for writing Internet Drafts, not RFCs. Well, yes, but the format is dominated by the fact that the final goal is typically an RFC. So I don't tink it's a bad name. Brian > Thus: xml.ietf.org or xmltool.ietf.org seem most appropriate. > > --Paul Hoffman > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest > From nobody Thu May 29 10:41:35 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FA01A046F; Thu, 29 May 2014 10:41:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.043 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.043 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AkmiUA7MwFQj; 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charset=UTF-8 My vote is for bibxml.ietf.org for the bibxml fdata. --f46d0444ebfd28222904fa8d704a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 My vote is for bibxml.ietf.org for the bibxml fdata. --f46d0444ebfd28222904fa8d704a-- From nobody Fri May 30 00:55:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7AB1A04A8; Thu, 29 May 2014 11:49:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r5B_6rQbnBlu; Thu, 29 May 2014 11:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toccata.fugue.com (toccata.fugue.com [204.152.186.142]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809601A01AC; 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(Y2RsQGFzZ2FhcmQub3JnQDIwOC43MC4yOC4yMTQ=) (POLARISLOCAL) by smtp2.emailarray.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 29 May 2014 19:13:46 -0000 From: "Christopher LILJENSTOLPE" To: "Ted Lemon" Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 12:13:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1361BF56-3E28-4A9D-8824-2DBEAA231FE2@cdl.asgaard.org> In-Reply-To: References: <538520C4.4050401@att.com> <538582ED.7070106@gmx.de> <9A54FF19-A44B-419C-BE34-89A781E48E14@tzi.org> <5385F9F8.6090808@att.com> <15513.1401291759@sandelman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.8r4229) X-PolarisMail-Flags: x Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/ia_n8NAss_5qGY98fbC0L5Pz-v4 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 30 May 2014 00:55:29 -0700 Cc: Tony Hansen , Tools Team Discussion , Michael Richardson , xml2rfc mailing list , RFC Interest Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] [xml2rfc] xml.resource.org is up again X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 19:13:52 -0000 On 29 May 2014, at 11:49, Ted Lemon wrote: > On May 29, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Nico Williams wrote: >> My vote is for bibxml.ietf.org for the bibxml fdata. > +1 > > But of course we don't vote... ;) The sound of a hum from my general location... > > > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest -- 李柯睿 Check my PGP key here: http://www.asgaard.org/cdl/cdl.asc Current vCard here: http://www.asgaard.org/cdl/cdl.vcf From nobody Fri May 30 08:19:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E945F1A0945 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:19:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zi5k25RZ_yd3 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3ED411A0913 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.90] (50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s4UFJ1Bq053520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:19:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: hoffman.proper.com: Host 50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90] claimed to be [10.20.30.90] From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <50D79B5D-8D83-4D9D-997E-590B983871BB@vpnc.org> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 08:19:01 -0700 To: Tools Team Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/gbeLKe8nkO7ulQy0xn4keQFoVZ4 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Code / regexp for stripping headers/footers from RFCs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 15:19:09 -0000 Greetings again. I'm looking for a bit of code or a regexp that = identifies the lines in an existing RFC that are the the headers/footers = and the blank lines surrounding them. I know that code won't be perfect, = but it would be useful for a project I'm working on. I tried the xml2rfc = code, but didn't find it. --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Fri May 30 08:25:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6271A0951 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:24:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id suX2GICausx4 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egssmtp01.att.com (egssmtp01.att.com [144.160.112.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA0F1A08E6 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp01.att.com ( egs 8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s4UFOgbB013096 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 10:24:42 -0500 Received: from vpn-135-70-99-164.vpn.swst.att.com ([135.70.99.164]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20140530152441gw100j0c2re>; Fri, 30 May 2014 15:24:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.99.164] Message-ID: <5388A2B5.8070007@att.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 11:24:37 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman , Tools Team Discussion References: <50D79B5D-8D83-4D9D-997E-590B983871BB@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <50D79B5D-8D83-4D9D-997E-590B983871BB@vpnc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/fniprdD4QcpL4RrcKSicLquZq5o Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Code / regexp for stripping headers/footers from RFCs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 15:24:50 -0000 I would start with Henrik's rfcmarkup. tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup Tony On 5/30/14, 11:19 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Greetings again. I'm looking for a bit of code or a regexp that identifies the lines in an existing RFC that are the the headers/footers and the blank lines surrounding them. I know that code won't be perfect, but it would be useful for a project I'm working on. I tried the xml2rfc code, but didn't find it. From nobody Fri May 30 08:28:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29591A094B for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:28:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cZOju8hWwR5Y for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com (uillean.fuaim.com [206.197.161.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B41421A0990 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (clairseach-high.fuaim.com [206.197.161.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B235D8812D for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1025236208.rudm2.ra.johnshopkins.edu (addr16212925014.ippl.jhmi.edu [162.129.250.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by clairseach.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E72271C0002 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5388A35A.3060206@innovationslab.net> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 11:27:22 -0400 From: Brian Haberman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <50D79B5D-8D83-4D9D-997E-590B983871BB@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <50D79B5D-8D83-4D9D-997E-590B983871BB@vpnc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="We17UjawRhoKwdQCnwwSIw6g68TlujfMa" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/_rejMwK8tTMBBVUQX7aG2hGpnT8 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Code / regexp for stripping headers/footers from RFCs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 15:28:41 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --We17UjawRhoKwdQCnwwSIw6g68TlujfMa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, On 5/30/14 11:19 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Greetings again. I'm looking for a bit of code or a regexp that > identifies the lines in an existing RFC that are the the > headers/footers and the blank lines surrounding them. I know that > code won't be perfect, but it would be useful for a project I'm > working on. I tried the xml2rfc code, but didn't find it. What about the smistrip tool? I haven't looked at the code, but it extracts MIB definitions out of an RFC/I-D so I suspect it would handle this case. Brian --We17UjawRhoKwdQCnwwSIw6g68TlujfMa Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.20 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJTiKNgAAoJEBOZRqCi7goqa9MH/0prWCtbPoG/d91m8KzX0/qB X/hI+6z0B4VgP4tzjw2wvqoMfLYCFqVg6+634GppFB5Y52RY9ujuEhc8m7+g/cBZ trHIRXwA7cjA7Nqy2Fao1e1/zWtI3eYIkHbJfs6XP73C4SozcdOXCnc0uS0WiUiu FwxiwFDCpPHheEB9FZf3XSyaxwruktzzWF3pJMg8kQozdl0Jl5lGFKC8T61Wn4OH myRAV9HNuHkhQQO/bz/f0eJrXJQlGY7JCg6FCN/s1vSxZe/j9O7yvqitJPneIS2l qld3oslfobjUgarnrr+8D3Iybqbn7CnioZS9ygREchfeR+HuJ05wGLVgfEKZFSI= =CErE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --We17UjawRhoKwdQCnwwSIw6g68TlujfMa-- From nobody Fri May 30 08:53:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F391A7022 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:53:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.887 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pxFjEfZSd4xk for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx11.netapp.com (mx11.netapp.com [216.240.18.76]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 967FE1A6F63 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:52:51 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.98,941,1392192000"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="126025711" Received: from vmwexceht06-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.104]) by mx11-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 30 May 2014 08:52:47 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) by vmwexceht06-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.106.77.104) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.123.3; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:52:47 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.847.32; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:52:33 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([::1]) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com ([fe80::d865:b6fe:275f:ffef%21]) with mapi id 15.00.0847.030; Fri, 30 May 2014 08:52:33 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Tony Hansen Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Code / regexp for stripping headers/footers from RFCs Thread-Index: AQHPfBujuTU/WrKyMUyMdF61EVAUtptZu3QA Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 15:52:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: <50D79B5D-8D83-4D9D-997E-590B983871BB@vpnc.org> <5388A2B5.8070007@att.com> In-Reply-To: <5388A2B5.8070007@att.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.56.79] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B6EC2C29-0102-48B0-A67F-2B8B682D9198"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/M_t9wv3k6z9fT5FwLMi4960UMVE Cc: Paul Hoffman , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Code / regexp for stripping headers/footers from RFCs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 15:53:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B6EC2C29-0102-48B0-A67F-2B8B682D9198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcstrip/ On 2014-5-30, at 17:24, Tony Hansen wrote: > I would start with Henrik's rfcmarkup. tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup >=20 > Tony >=20 > On 5/30/14, 11:19 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> Greetings again. I'm looking for a bit of code or a regexp that = identifies the lines in an existing RFC that are the the headers/footers = and the blank lines surrounding them. I know that code won't be perfect, = but it would be useful for a project I'm working on. I tried the xml2rfc = code, but didn't find it. >=20 > --=20 > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please reports datatracker.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > Please reports tools.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_B6EC2C29-0102-48B0-A67F-2B8B682D9198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBU4ipPtZcnpRveo1xAQLdKAP9G9P8gtioyvV8weGysYUeJfR150BP+lHJ geoeLUZkTwQYkNfk52LxKQz86vcwHakiizcGsgX8Qt0NMLgryq9vhe1N+n+uXXf2 /PvBUFWlYiGwZgvTpnpuMarfM5ChSj8GD3oE93jwtix2syWZ2Ua28J0co7DQ7eDs XGkQdTaZ8vQ= =9Kvb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_B6EC2C29-0102-48B0-A67F-2B8B682D9198-- From nobody Fri May 30 09:26:28 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BAA1A0424 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 09:26:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ny55U3kSNSGB for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 09:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32B571A035B for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 09:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.90] (50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s4UGQG1X056159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 30 May 2014 09:26:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: hoffman.proper.com: Host 50-1-51-90.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.90] claimed to be [10.20.30.90] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 09:26:15 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <21A213F5-270F-402B-A11B-E63C657FBF50@vpnc.org> References: <50D79B5D-8D83-4D9D-997E-590B983871BB@vpnc.org> <5388A2B5.8070007@att.com> To: Lars Eggert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/jDJjYyEepoCoSnhUomcnU3ebvO8 Cc: Tony Hansen , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Code / regexp for stripping headers/footers from RFCs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 16:26:27 -0000 On May 30, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote: > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcstrip/ Perfect! Exactly what I need. --Paul Hoffman From nobody Sat May 31 17:09:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150761A013B for ; Sat, 31 May 2014 17:09:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L4JOcm48iKaJ for ; Sat, 31 May 2014 17:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from auth.a.painless.aa.net.uk (a.painless.aa.net.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:0:30::51bb:1e33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D606B1A0135 for ; Sat, 31 May 2014 17:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mightyatom.folly.org.uk ([81.187.254.250]) by a.painless.aa.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1WqtKP-0006F6-6L; Sun, 01 Jun 2014 01:08:48 +0100 From: Elwyn Davies To: Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2014 01:08:43 +0100 Message-Id: <1401581323.29419.3250.camel@mightyatom> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/Y3kRi0mYpH19FtScQaNxaA0yBo4 Cc: IETF tools discussion Subject: [Tools-discuss] Something odd going on with DNS for xml.resource.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2014 00:09:00 -0000 Hi, Henrik. I have been checking periodically to see if the HTML/RFCmarkup -> PDF functions of the online xml2rfc are working again (Ticket #254) and have observed an odd transient effect on two successive days. Running the xml2rfc tool from a cached form has resulted in "Cannot find server xml.resource.org" both on an initial run and a retry. However going off and running "ping xml.resource.org" gets a ping response from zinfandel and after that I can (un)successfully run the xml2rfc request against xml.resource.org. Unsuccessfully because the fontconfig issue is now fixed (presumably by the reinstall) but there is a different problem in that wkhtmltopdf can't find libXrender.so.1 (the ticket has been altered to reflect the revised state of affairs). The transient effect doesn't seem to affect xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org but it also has the libXrender.so.1 problem (not surprisingly). Not sure what is going on. Maybe some sort of DNS lifetime issue? Cheers, Elwyn