From nobody Mon Apr 4 14:29:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D28B12D8CA; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:29:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zo1Isw1IFFXQ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7801012D8E5; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBE6200A5; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 17:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26ACB6375A; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 17:28:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, vmeet@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 21:29:27 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain I did the same presentation twice today in two WGs (to deal with cross-WG issues). Things that I would like to have: 1) big video with small slides. the choices are - big slides and many video, or - video fills entire screen, no slides. 2) a camera pointed at the room, or at least the question-microphone. Basically, I'd like to see the room I'm speaking to... the chairs table is boring, and too far away for me to see if they have "confused" looks on their faces... -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVwLcloCLcPvd0N1lAQKAIggAtZJagEaLVZGUXrCz3pFoJuZu57sZ/9DQ rBnp1o1Tdd6MECPpM6sKWYYiCcUGFCnpiHJb4400TNu8WPNe8UKlhQMF7MeJdbG1 28aLaJ6j6RRzY9EsA07ja+ydoL44E/nkbONYAJ7A/Pg8Wkw2uKsd3VGyB02yfd2j RbnbffCfrMlYfzatLQQ47KgfEAxJVQZ8iZ9Z+ZdhOkANIC9PuCVMIsOUcHjDiQjP YJqcjcQZYfKuHTEnGkiYn7kKDoytl36KIvTR/Cr9id5dXXrWba9cGK9HpQs+epHv 79Ufcwc1IJe29bFDuzXJ4tB5DPxNrhekFSVkCpjZmNro71NNBc6L0A== =M7Ub -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Apr 4 14:33:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F61912D783; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:33:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -114.531 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-114.531 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mC5hrdEiAd6H; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC2BA12D666; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:32:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1597; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1459805579; x=1461015179; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=Qc7lUhwRazeVjXvyePVW4r92qJr2sVQb80UL70R55TY=; b=fWHu/LDadg9+kka95YjbYsLWVhIk+lCDHl1+apZrx9LGQIaRUkY73wPi QlyAEZ3CQIHRDG8vlWFjUmrxOsWIYK2j0ld/3/glgoMpuAQo2etcx0ncl QoFhwy/JRK7GMP1yeq0SjESLZgkcMYrDDjymGPIL1lOpdXeb2JXwqd6Ev g=; X-Files: signature.asc : 833 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ANBQBO3QJX/5pdJa1dgzeBVr0ghg0Cg?= =?us-ascii?q?Ts8EAEBAQEBAQFlHAuEQgEBBHkQAgEIRjIlAgQOE4gZvnYBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBAQENCIgVCIJNh2qCKwWYAQGDH4FmiQKBUgGNPI8ZATcrg2eIFH4BA?= =?us-ascii?q?QE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,442,1454976000"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="257253957" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 04 Apr 2016 21:32:58 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-013.cisco.com (xch-aln-013.cisco.com [173.36.7.23]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u34LWv46009504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Apr 2016 21:32:57 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-013.cisco.com (173.37.102.23) by XCH-ALN-013.cisco.com (173.36.7.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:32:57 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-013.cisco.com ([173.37.102.23]) by XCH-RCD-013.cisco.com ([173.37.102.23]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:32:57 -0500 From: "Fred Baker (fred)" To: "vmeet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] meetecho for remote presenters Thread-Index: AQHRjrkUwXAHh4cqDU6YPhxfQn+LFp96qXuA Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 21:32:56 +0000 Message-ID: <8B568121-92F2-4768-861A-38BB8535BE39@cisco.com> References: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.244.49] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F1F9E91B-1406-42A7-9E87-154A8D9792FC"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 21:33:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F1F9E91B-1406-42A7-9E87-154A8D9792FC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We had a remote presenter on MeetEcho in v6ops today. I broke up badly, = which seemed to go away when the speaker took down his video stream. = Even after that, however, it was very difficult to hear and to = understand unless you were standing behind the speakers. --Apple-Mail=_F1F9E91B-1406-42A7-9E87-154A8D9792FC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIVAwUBVwLdiUayAOS/EQ8MAQKGqA/+P9QPKLNHcOJ6qIaWyMUYRKvioos6ui/7 TmGPY8cvUG6v9oIwUhZWNgUyoA5H0mEBh8uPIbSHmVMoQAEe5LmSfPWPcxNFzusM au7lPNyB9SPISG/CCXzxkfXmNT4SCT/+x4HShwvwceUbtJ7BGfgp1LzQWiYc7oVQ cJKNLpsz8G/5WIptV84wMeksZdLhNZjsdFfQ9Q3MvlWmT/bYC/kl4EcKAkApQYmR A2N0EqiW+j9tSlikvvDXMCSqeTmcP/HPRIrNAM3GmxCTjK6GkWnErNDW7jXHLx2O AlYMMlPCX1mweto5GbmDKoDflhRD9PCHmkft2i9f6t7y/wcmmN3LZdpPu2YvahJn kogq4k1saqO/ZJhxmjAUXtYL8Hy1BO+9cZ9Ah9XIAWQeZxTerEcN4LG6zr7M4Oyo IqGVYauCsvUZqgkXo/LtOXWVyBrnpjKqb9jQQm8TPcTqbZ75UpACS2+Cc4t3wHim zHrIWxr3Q2guYigPOvUmpQr59b9Oq2NjcFxeXBscjFsGS+9QaRWK4rJajbdJkwKf O3i6dGaqj8EgyiX54C3WGtl9fKeudgRMPmQfA+ItFzAk8Nt5t/R4iNgoOarw8yLX pJ9r6Qq4FYIM4zX5G67VYRXgNSDPU674XzILmstHEqc9XCcHk/3UkXZ95Q1DsXwy xaxVW4xOn5E= =7iMO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_F1F9E91B-1406-42A7-9E87-154A8D9792FC-- From nobody Mon Apr 4 14:55:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8C112D562; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:55:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fV_r77D9X6Yj; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x22e.google.com (mail-pf0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE0DA12D1AA; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id n1so47668945pfn.2; Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:55:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+Lp6zqPVqocGcnkE1Lu7z6iqVf9uLBGkwz0q3nXdaW0=; b=lvVK77vycbku5o9JIu+8M+fYDb/rTFxYq2U3NmQGll62G1U1y06koH0oGIhmxDnza/ RtVwb3hh4VEZxewY4QeHImD+kHJJmzNEhLiboU3bk1p060LGatYvRksu6XrhEyscSuP/ QvHA+9elt+F8WPCeuEKgnEx4uwxL/IrbYxpb+Ii3hrZxHzQrc9v4eRS9LxTpYum1p8cV eoQg5A40hUIL0a8LLvfzXujKlYArgQKkibU67cF/Ou5fbNOF4kbR4ILqg6P50AnIdy7S 35t0VcipnvcPsRkklv6wmxWfYOdEkJbf6YwFK0wCQfDTwJvZDRKYXW0NrSSF3qZNB4PS pxjg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+Lp6zqPVqocGcnkE1Lu7z6iqVf9uLBGkwz0q3nXdaW0=; b=U25xUspjITeyRBF6XRDnMDKdofH9dvcPSGDo17spxeFqIq4qcPdbR1z9ffiMutVgek OLmni8N5YJ71hQGnZZEH2IKfaCAp11lPJvmCYHVWZlzAV2NyGYZ5qOrYF2YUZIQQ8j1j 1y+cKM9QkMEu2tTHf/QP/d/OM2YMWbICHKt0WtP/RnrJTeaIOvE+V8EBMQHxf8A4/Deo BPorMFov0zZDw9z+/iAL4epiZHz7avO8Wt9qQEijxvigrNhzkVeD2Y4JlsOV+uXNCknk XJ4nANn8cz7dyj3wYjNHWkiB7YlXbkPM99BHynVXVZkM8fOzgi4hflsPbgUqMGPx3QGO MfKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKX1IQLl3gvqVVU3qEkW8x25BB6sa9nOc4qKKZRAJHU8TWw86b5TsQBHCdUijBRKw== X-Received: by 10.98.9.129 with SMTP id 1mr55374059pfj.163.1459806910307; Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e007:6365:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? ([2406:e007:6365:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s26sm21224738pfa.0.2016.04.04.14.55.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:55:08 -0700 (PDT) To: "Fred Baker (fred)" , "vmeet@ietf.org" References: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <8B568121-92F2-4768-861A-38BB8535BE39@cisco.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <5702E2B9.40502@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:55:05 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8B568121-92F2-4768-861A-38BB8535BE39@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 21:55:12 -0000 On 05/04/2016 09:32, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > We had a remote presenter on MeetEcho in v6ops today. I broke up badly, which seemed to go away when the speaker took down his video stream. Even after that, however, it was very difficult to hear and to understand unless you were standing behind the speakers. That seems to be an on-site audio problem; remote quality is pretty good (but I can hear ghosts from adjacent rooms, which is apparently a side effect of the wireless microphones). Brian From nobody Mon Apr 4 14:58:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DC512D8BF; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:58:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dOHJBZOfqXrc; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [IPv6:2001:4b98:c:538::195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EB4112D8C2; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-9a4a.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:152:c408:2008:80df:fba5]) (Authenticated sender: cabo@cabo.im) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A4A68A80BF; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 23:58:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5702E36E.1010107@tzi.org> Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 18:58:06 -0300 From: Carsten Bormann User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.8 (Macintosh/20151105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fred Baker (fred)" References: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <8B568121-92F2-4768-861A-38BB8535BE39@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <8B568121-92F2-4768-861A-38BB8535BE39@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" , "vmeet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 21:58:16 -0000 The codec used appears to be one of those that react to the slightest packet loss by turning speech into underwater bubbling. Mostly useless to this non-native English speaker. (For those not used to IETF-style interactions: This is trying to be friendly, constructive criticizing; I like the service we get here.) Grüße, Carsten (PS.: And the constant scrolling on the meetecho screens distracts.) Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > We had a remote presenter on MeetEcho in v6ops today. I broke up badly, which seemed to go away when the speaker took down his video stream. Even after that, however, it was very difficult to hear and to understand unless you were standing behind the speakers. > From nobody Mon Apr 4 15:00:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB28512D8DD for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:00:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yLg9Ll-e9ekH for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brc2.unina.it (brc2.unina.it [192.132.34.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E04D12D8DF for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:00:46 -0700 (PDT) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1459807243-05f27504cf6a4e8d0001-J2I3sL Received: from smtp2.unina.it (smtp2.unina.it [192.132.34.62]) by brc2.unina.it with ESMTP id PTNhUkvajxfmpYD2 (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 05 Apr 2016 00:00:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: spromano@unina.it X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 192.132.34.62 Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([151.70.4.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp2.unina.it (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u34M0eDa015939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Apr 2016 00:00:43 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D3577F58-B5D2-4E1B-9D59-508FDB7B8C91" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) From: Simon Pietro Romano X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [vmeet] [Tools-discuss] meetecho for remote presenters In-Reply-To: <5702E36E.1010107@tzi.org> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 00:00:40 +0200 Message-Id: <39978720-9725-4C4C-A8BF-011B50446B00@unina.it> References: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <8B568121-92F2-4768-861A-38BB8535BE39@cisco.com> <5702E36E.1010107@tzi.org> To: Carsten Bormann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) X-Barracuda-Connect: smtp2.unina.it[192.132.34.62] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1459807243 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: AES256-SHA X-Barracuda-URL: http://192.132.34.42:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at unina.it X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_SC0_MISMATCH_TO, HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.28459 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 BSF_SC0_MISMATCH_TO Envelope rcpt doesn't match header 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message Archived-At: Cc: "Fred Baker \(fred\)" , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" , "vmeet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [vmeet] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 22:00:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D3577F58-B5D2-4E1B-9D59-508FDB7B8C91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The codec used is Opus (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6716 = ). Simon > On 04/apr/2016, at 23:58, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > The codec used appears to be one of those that react to the slightest > packet loss by turning speech into underwater bubbling. >=20 > Mostly useless to this non-native English speaker. >=20 > (For those not used to IETF-style interactions: This is trying to be > friendly, constructive criticizing; I like the service we get here.) >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 > (PS.: And the constant scrolling on the meetecho screens distracts.) >=20 > Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >> We had a remote presenter on MeetEcho in v6ops today. I broke up = badly, which seemed to go away when the speaker took down his video = stream. Even after that, however, it was very difficult to hear and to = understand unless you were standing behind the speakers. >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > NOTE WELL: This list operates according to > http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html. > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet _\\|//_ ( O-O ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Simon Pietro Romano Universita' di Napoli Federico = II Computer Engineering Department=20 Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7683816 e-mail: spromano@unina.it <>. = Magritte. oooO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~( )~~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ ( = ( ) \_) ) = / = (_/ --Apple-Mail=_D3577F58-B5D2-4E1B-9D59-508FDB7B8C91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 The codec used is Opus (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6716).

Simon

On = 04/apr/2016, at 23:58, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

The codec used = appears to be one of those that react to the slightest
packet loss by turning speech into underwater bubbling.

Mostly useless to this non-native English = speaker.

(For those not used to IETF-style = interactions: This is trying to be
friendly, constructive = criticizing; I like the service we get here.)

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

(PS.: = And the constant scrolling on the meetecho screens distracts.)

Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
We had a remote = presenter on MeetEcho in v6ops today. I broke up badly, which seemed to = go away when the speaker took down his video stream. Even after that, = however, it was very difficult to hear and to understand unless you were = standing behind the speakers.


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= --Apple-Mail=_D3577F58-B5D2-4E1B-9D59-508FDB7B8C91-- From nobody Mon Apr 4 15:12:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E23412D58B for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:12:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ewXR5LgcEM0S for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brc1.unina.it (brc1.unina.it [192.132.34.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3ADF012D8C9 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:11:58 -0700 (PDT) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1459807915-05ce3776f7550b0001-J2I3sL Received: from smtp1.unina.it (smtp1.unina.it [192.132.34.61]) by brc1.unina.it with ESMTP id eXE4aItQAZUtnABE (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 05 Apr 2016 00:11:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: spromano@unina.it X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 192.132.34.61 Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([151.70.4.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.unina.it (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u34MBs72012612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Apr 2016 00:11:55 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_66BA007C-EEC1-4FB6-8B83-CB22483DDFA9" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) From: Simon Pietro Romano X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [vmeet] [Tools-discuss] meetecho for remote presenters In-Reply-To: <5702E2B9.40502@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 00:11:53 +0200 Message-Id: <69F0C8F5-44B9-4372-9171-8A8F0FB2BE6E@unina.it> References: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <8B568121-92F2-4768-861A-38BB8535BE39@cisco.com> <5702E2B9.40502@gmail.com> To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) X-Barracuda-Connect: smtp1.unina.it[192.132.34.61] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1459807915 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: AES256-SHA X-Barracuda-URL: http://192.132.34.50:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at unina.it X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_SC0_MISMATCH_TO, HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.28459 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 BSF_SC0_MISMATCH_TO Envelope rcpt doesn't match header 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message Archived-At: Cc: "Fred Baker \(fred\)" , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" , "vmeet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [vmeet] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 22:12:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_66BA007C-EEC1-4FB6-8B83-CB22483DDFA9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 05/04/2016 09:32, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >> We had a remote presenter on MeetEcho in v6ops today. I broke up = badly, which seemed to go away when the speaker took down his video = stream. Even after that, however, it was very difficult to hear and to = understand unless you were standing behind the speakers. >=20 > That seems to be an on-site audio problem; remote quality is pretty = good (but > I can hear ghosts from adjacent rooms, which is apparently a side = effect of > the wireless microphones). It actually is an on-site issue. Long story short, it looks like they = are using wireless mikes which transmit along two different = channels=E2=80=A6and are being used in four (adjacent) rooms!=20 Simon >=20 > Brian >=20 > _______________________________________________ > NOTE WELL: This list operates according to > http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html. > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet >=20 _\\|//_ ( O-O ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Simon Pietro Romano Universita' di Napoli Federico = II Computer Engineering Department=20 Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7683816 e-mail: spromano@unina.it <>. = Magritte. oooO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~( )~~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ ( = ( ) \_) ) = / = (_/ --Apple-Mail=_66BA007C-EEC1-4FB6-8B83-CB22483DDFA9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On 05/04/2016 09:32, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
We had a remote = presenter on MeetEcho in v6ops today. I broke up badly, which seemed to = go away when the speaker took down his video stream. Even after that, = however, it was very difficult to hear and to understand unless you were = standing behind the speakers.

That seems to be an on-site audio problem; remote quality is = pretty good (but
I can hear ghosts from adjacent rooms, = which is apparently a side effect of
the wireless = microphones).

It actually is an on-site issue. Long story short, it = looks like they are using wireless mikes which transmit along two = different channels=E2=80=A6and are being used in four (adjacent) = rooms! 

Simon



   Brian

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I broke up badly,= which seemed to go away when the speaker took down his video stream. Eve= n after that, however, it was very difficult to hear and to understand un= less you were standing behind the speakers. australia, and telstra in particular seem fairly dire from here. gblx/l3 seem to exchange traffic with 4637 in JFK Measuring to my syd pop shows some fairly painful jitter but also a low level of possibly congestion induced loss for the international hop to MI= A. J@mb:~$mtr cache-syd1620.hosts.fastly.net -c 100 -w Start: Mon Apr 4 18:57:21 2016 HOST: dhcp-b257.meeting.ietf.org Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.|-- 31.133.176.2 0.0% 100 1.4 22.4 1.2 394.6 52.0 2.|-- 190.216.88.9 0.0% 100 2.3 24.0 1.7 318.1 45.3 3.|-- po3-20g.ar3.mia2.gblx.net 5.0% 100 133.5 169.1 133.2 434.2 62.3 4.|-- ae5.edge2.miami2.level3.net 11.0% 100 145.0 185.3 136.6 420.1 66.2 5.|-- ge-6-3.car1.hamburg1.level3.net 87.0% 100 165.6 171.2 165.6 174.5 2.9 6.|-- telstra-level3-20g.newyork1.level3.net 12.0% 100 231.8 282.5 226.4 492.4 82.5 7.|-- i-0-0-2-0.ny8a-core01.bi.telstraglobal.net 11.0% 100 213.3 273.5 210.4 572.5 77.5 8.|-- i-0-4-0-1.tnrt-core01.bi.telstraglobal.net 7.0% 100 212.8 249.3 202.9 490.6 61.2 9.|-- i-0-4-0-11.tlot-core01.bi.telstraglobal.net 7.0% 100 221.5 253.2 207.4 408.6 54.9 10.|-- 202.84.136.221 9.0% 100 364.5 390.0 360.0 567.4 46.7 11.|-- unknown.telstraglobal.net 6.0% 100 371.0 394.2 365.4 583.5 49.3 12.|-- ??? 100.0 100 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 13.|-- 23.235.41.20 5.0% 100 360.5 396.0 356.2 838.4 66.7 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > NOTE WELL: This list operates according to > http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html. > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet >=20 --DHPDWODWfV9g89MQNll0a8QBkAs1w3gDi-- --kF0Tx4c33Gu0XGEcipMwufNpXv5snvX4t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlcC5ikACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrIbLACfczUIK/bno4OxWOr7bg637dXQ vuEAnj8kjCLjehhh2wzXqCE+KZ/qaN+Q =rXtZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kF0Tx4c33Gu0XGEcipMwufNpXv5snvX4t-- From nobody Mon Apr 4 15:33:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E38E12D85F; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:33:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mtJ0LkqlzO1W; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x231.google.com (mail-pf0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A699D12D646; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x231.google.com with SMTP id e128so131429895pfe.3; Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:33:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zwYM0bE0hdFz5FoZwfEE4nQH0DyyTX3S6T8KhzpyZ/Y=; b=LEFrGldp3tYxxTnb0lte9xSjdumXd2WATrWkmU0kq6wLLlM1nQr5pviUt98hBNLWoa AlekQKYLJ72tUkUNr5RspjS3w81o84bNM3KZ4T3MaoIueuf330V6rQ7gRcEsOmNd1Am2 rJOMoTreclGFs5HPfu1O8ujMx1DP6heJu7Y7nQKQJsG9sgN1Eo7gHpSChRJrQFJOOmfj zKdn0u84HuWHu4ZTwq3CEOrsL3pxoNm7oMnpIyz1Pnd/rbw4+STQnqCMJ5mu2fpEGuCj h0AZ24HYMIWYG8aOgTioMwi+jel3wbFESCMaT2wOSkkH44Kij76Ggehb49ALdtGp4PdS tuIg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zwYM0bE0hdFz5FoZwfEE4nQH0DyyTX3S6T8KhzpyZ/Y=; b=jjKAJ28JkOOx92DaD4+xpygnkR9k5LNEw3TMPKfmpah9P0tR+QQ9qy06M2HoX9wxa2 116JETnaqiNXdbQ3JCyrUZnVB+yKbWFfshnUfpv5+9EkA3EWymfE030fkcnTfIuhYHe4 HFdl1N6RrkhqVrFeymc/a/LMuyr0AgFmEksnLlM6rkcABPuYFDXNjD3E9WYYHB1aqS7/ IzgW5UGlJ1a8x5jNB6i5Ngu7ks836Wjwpcirx26HPys5D3wRpGCVIoMPQA5KA70yRYGO 3j80QqYTMwrYa2iQdBa9mJ9AhFAUf52Mn9r3oJCFxyY/K/YALQI5IjT6inGWcBoo4/5v uNSg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJUEo1zZYyk+9q9T7ghl165ETVNrrspodmz9iu428kLloyMmA+AdPOb2AXSyyb0nw== X-Received: by 10.98.14.147 with SMTP id 19mr24182216pfo.79.1459809205250; Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e007:6365:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? ([2406:e007:6365:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m87sm41788563pfj.38.2016.04.04.15.33.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:33:23 -0700 (PDT) To: joel jaeggli , "Fred Baker (fred)" , "vmeet@ietf.org" References: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <8B568121-92F2-4768-861A-38BB8535BE39@cisco.com> <1eb7cab5-26d1-fb97-2e10-6fa89704535c@gmail.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <5702EBB1.30606@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 10:33:21 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1eb7cab5-26d1-fb97-2e10-6fa89704535c@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [vmeet] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 22:33:28 -0000 On 05/04/2016 10:09, joel jaeggli wrote: > On 4/4/16 6:32 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >> We had a remote presenter on MeetEcho in v6ops today. I broke up badly, which seemed to go away when the speaker took down his video stream. Even after that, however, it was very difficult to hear and to understand unless you were standing behind the speakers. > > > australia, and telstra in particular seem fairly dire from here. gblx/l3 > seem to exchange traffic with 4637 in JFK Audio & video are quite good in NZ though. Brian > > Measuring to my syd pop shows some fairly painful jitter but also a low > level of possibly congestion induced loss for the international hop to MIA. > > J@mb:~$mtr cache-syd1620.hosts.fastly.net -c 100 -w > Start: Mon Apr 4 18:57:21 2016 > HOST: dhcp-b257.meeting.ietf.org Loss% Snt Last > Avg Best Wrst StDev > 1.|-- 31.133.176.2 0.0% 100 1.4 > 22.4 1.2 394.6 52.0 > 2.|-- 190.216.88.9 0.0% 100 2.3 > 24.0 1.7 318.1 45.3 > 3.|-- po3-20g.ar3.mia2.gblx.net 5.0% 100 133.5 > 169.1 133.2 434.2 62.3 > 4.|-- ae5.edge2.miami2.level3.net 11.0% 100 145.0 > 185.3 136.6 420.1 66.2 > 5.|-- ge-6-3.car1.hamburg1.level3.net 87.0% 100 165.6 > 171.2 165.6 174.5 2.9 > 6.|-- telstra-level3-20g.newyork1.level3.net 12.0% 100 231.8 > 282.5 226.4 492.4 82.5 > 7.|-- i-0-0-2-0.ny8a-core01.bi.telstraglobal.net 11.0% 100 213.3 > 273.5 210.4 572.5 77.5 > 8.|-- i-0-4-0-1.tnrt-core01.bi.telstraglobal.net 7.0% 100 212.8 > 249.3 202.9 490.6 61.2 > 9.|-- i-0-4-0-11.tlot-core01.bi.telstraglobal.net 7.0% 100 221.5 > 253.2 207.4 408.6 54.9 > 10.|-- 202.84.136.221 9.0% 100 364.5 > 390.0 360.0 567.4 46.7 > 11.|-- unknown.telstraglobal.net 6.0% 100 371.0 > 394.2 365.4 583.5 49.3 > 12.|-- ??? 100.0 100 0.0 > 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 > 13.|-- 23.235.41.20 5.0% 100 360.5 > 396.0 356.2 838.4 66.7 > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NOTE WELL: This list operates according to >> http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html. >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet >> > > > > From nobody Mon Apr 4 16:31:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CE712D645; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:31:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1QocBc3TaGoe; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EF5512D126; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049458.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049458.ppops.net-00191d01. 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([2406:e007:6365:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fk10sm2807497pab.33.2016.04.04.16.47.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Apr 2016 16:47:35 -0700 (PDT) To: "HANSEN, TONY L" , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" , "vmeet@ietf.org" References: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <1F26B780-F115-47A7-AEA1-BCA1F98BBF0E@att.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <5702FD14.50003@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 11:47:32 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1F26B780-F115-47A7-AEA1-BCA1F98BBF0E@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [vmeet] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 23:47:38 -0000 On 05/04/2016 11:31, HANSEN, TONY L wrote: > Some comments from my remote experiences today. > > First off, meetecho is a VAST improvement over how remote access used to be, and it's getting better every meeting. Thanks!!! Yes, I second that! > However, there's always room for improvement: I found today that the legibility of some slides was not good. So I fixed that by fetching them from the meeting materials page and sliding an appropriately sized PDF viewer window over the video... it occurs to me that this would be a wonderful option to build into Meetecho. (Yes, that is not a trivial request.) Brian From nobody Mon Apr 4 19:36:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39ED712D0C3 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 19:36:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.165 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.165 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uHq2Z-hpYAZc for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 19:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0057.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A71512D093 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 19:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (unknown [216.40.38.60]) by smtprelay08.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E2B29DD79 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 02:36:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 6176726940646F7269612E6F7267 X-Spam-Summary: 50, 0, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, avri@acm.org, :, RULES_HIT:41:355:379:599:854:857:967:973:988:989:1042:1187:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1381:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1541:1593:1594:1683:1711:1730:1747:1777:1792:2194:2199:2393:2525:2553:2560:2563:2682:2685:2741:2859:2901:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3353:3865:3866:3867:3868:3870:3871:3872:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4184:4250:4362:5007:6117:6119:7652:7903:7904:8985:9025:9040:10004:10400:10450:10455:10848:11232:11658:11914:12043:12050:12517:12519:12740:13069:13071:13311:13357:14039:14096:14097:14180:14181:14721:19904:19999:21060:21063:21080:21366:30022:30054:30091, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:fp, MSBL:0, DNSBL:none, Custom_rules:0:0:0, LFtime:2, LUA_SUMMARY:none X-HE-Tag: look37_7652a8399f019 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 2155 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [173.208.90.139]) (Authenticated sender: avri@doria.org) by omf13.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 02:36:52 +0000 (UTC) References: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <1F26B780-F115-47A7-AEA1-BCA1F98BBF0E@att.com> <5702FD14.50003@gmail.com> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: avri doria Message-ID: <570324C3.9070004@acm.org> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 23:36:51 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5702FD14.50003@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 160404-0, 04/04/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [vmeet] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: avri@acm.org List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 02:36:56 -0000 Hi, We used it in HRPC RG today and had 2 online presentations and a few online comments. One presentations was nearly perfect, the other one was good enough. Interventions were ok too. I agree it was better then anything ever at IETF. And the red button is great, though it took us a little to get used to using it. Something scary about red buttons. maybe a green button would be better ( : thanks avri On 04-Apr-16 20:47, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 05/04/2016 11:31, HANSEN, TONY L wrote: >> Some comments from my remote experiences today. >> >> First off, meetecho is a VAST improvement over how remote access used to be, and it's getting better every meeting. Thanks!!! > Yes, I second that! > >> However, there's always room for improvement: > I found today that the legibility of some slides was not good. So I fixed that > by fetching them from the meeting materials page and sliding an appropriately > sized PDF viewer window over the video... it occurs to me that this would > be a wonderful option to build into Meetecho. (Yes, that is not a trivial > request.) > > Brian > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From nobody Tue Apr 5 03:28:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725D012D1CF for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:28:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_FAIL=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K8M_tg1mYj2p for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpdb7.aruba.it (unknown [62.149.156.65]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B7F12D7AA for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [31.133.160.89] ([31.133.160.89]) by smtpcmd07.ad.aruba.it with bizsmtp id eNC41s00b1w1YEP01NC5dz; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 00:12:08 +0200 To: Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org, vmeet@ietf.org References: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> From: Meetecho IETF support Message-ID: <5702E6B0.9060305@meetecho.com> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 00:12:00 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [vmeet] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 10:28:43 -0000 Michael, Il 04/04/2016 23:28, Michael Richardson ha scritto: > > I did the same presentation twice today in two WGs (to deal with cross-WG > issues). > > Things that I would like to have: > 1) big video with small slides. > the choices are > - big slides and many video, or > - video fills entire screen, no slides. thanks for the feedback. We'll try to implement this in the next versions of the platform. > > 2) a camera pointed at the room, or at least the question-microphone. > This is exactly what we usually do during remote presentations. Unfortunately, there are a number of high-priority issues with the local audio system, microphones, cross-room interference, etc. we have been facing today, so we couldn't pay more attention to controlling motorized cameras. Sorry about that. Hope things go smoothly starting tomorrow. Cheers, the Meetecho team > Basically, I'd like to see the room I'm speaking to... the chairs table is > boring, and too far away for me to see if they have "confused" looks on > their faces... > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NOTE WELL: This list operates according to > http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html. > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet > From nobody Tue Apr 5 03:37:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6421A12D795 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:37:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_FAIL=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TCe2G5MoNCTg for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpdb7.aruba.it (unknown [62.149.156.65]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBBF12D785 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [31.133.160.89] ([31.133.160.89]) by smtpcmd07.ad.aruba.it with bizsmtp id eNM01s01U1w1YEP01NM1pQ; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 00:21:03 +0200 To: Brian E Carpenter , "Fred Baker (fred)" , "vmeet@ietf.org" References: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <8B568121-92F2-4768-861A-38BB8535BE39@cisco.com> <5702E2B9.40502@gmail.com> From: Meetecho IETF support Message-ID: <5702E8C8.6060807@meetecho.com> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 00:20:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5702E2B9.40502@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [vmeet] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 10:37:28 -0000 Il 04/04/2016 23:55, Brian E Carpenter ha scritto: > On 05/04/2016 09:32, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >> We had a remote presenter on MeetEcho in v6ops today. I broke up >> badly, which seemed to go away when the speaker took down his video >> stream. Even after that, however, it was very difficult to hear and >> to understand unless you were standing behind the speakers. > > That seems to be an on-site audio problem; remote quality is pretty > good (but I can hear ghosts from adjacent rooms, which is apparently > a side effect of the wireless microphones). Exactly. Unfortunately there are wireless microphones which interfere with each other, making it impossible to raise the volume without affecting other meetings. We're proposing to switch to wired microphones starting tomorrow morning. Thanks, the Meetecho team > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ NOTE WELL: This list > operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html. > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet > From nobody Tue Apr 5 07:58:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6DD12D5CA for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 07:58:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.106 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.106 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_FAIL=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jjebH7s1qY35 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 07:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpdb7.aruba.it (unknown [62.149.156.94]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7692B12D57B for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 07:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [31.133.160.89] ([31.133.160.89]) by smtpcmd09.ad.aruba.it with bizsmtp id eexq1s01K1w1YEP01exrVf; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 16:57:54 +0200 To: "HANSEN, TONY L" , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" , "vmeet@ietf.org" References: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <1F26B780-F115-47A7-AEA1-BCA1F98BBF0E@att.com> From: Meetecho IETF support Message-ID: <5703D26A.60900@meetecho.com> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 16:57:46 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1F26B780-F115-47A7-AEA1-BCA1F98BBF0E@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [vmeet] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:58:04 -0000 Il 05/04/2016 01:31, HANSEN, TONY L ha scritto: > Some comments from my remote experiences today. > > First off, meetecho is a VAST improvement over how remote access used > to be, and it's getting better every meeting. Thanks!!! > > > However, there's always room for improvement: > > > I agree with Michael. Right now if you double click on the video, it > fills in the area where the slides were and covers large amounts of > space and the slides disappear. > > I too would like to (once in a while) SWAP the video and slides. When > there's a remote speaker, the same issue can arise. That is, move the > slides up to where the list of video streams are currently shown and > move that video image into the space where the slides normally are. > > One way to do this would be have a two-headed arrow below each item > in that top row. Click it and the item swaps position with the large > display. Any of the items could then fill the large area or be shown > in small while not in the large area. > > > > Another improvement: there don't seem to be tooltips over the icons > on the right side to explain what they do. I tried clicking some of > them, but it wasn't always evident what they were supposed to do. One > time, I lost all sight of the slides and no matter what I tried, I > couldn't get back to the slides. I wound up doing a refresh on the > browser to restore things. > There are tooltips. They all show up right next to the first icon, in the right hand side of the screen. See here for examples: http://ietf95.conf.meetecho.com/index.php/Remote_Participation#iconography > > Another improvement: the remembered name and registration number are > on a per-room basis, because the java code is using a session object > stored on the server and there is a server per room. While this is > certainly an improvement over previous meetings where meetecho never > seemed to remember anything, I do wish meetecho had instead used a > cookie shared across all of the rooms to encode that information. > Will improve this in the next version, thanks for the feedback. > > If Meetecho wants to put up an improved version in beta during the > meeting to try out any improvements, I'm willing to participate. > Ha! You kidding, right? :) Jokes apart, we have no time to make changes to Meetecho code during the meeting. Cheers, the Meetecho team > > Thanks Meetecho! > > Tony > > > > > > On 4/4/16, 5:28 PM, "vmeet on behalf of Michael Richardson" > wrote: > >> >> I did the same presentation twice today in two WGs (to deal with >> cross-WG issues). >> >> Things that I would like to have: 1) big video with small slides. >> the choices are - big slides and many video, or - video fills >> entire screen, no slides. >> >> 2) a camera pointed at the room, or at least the >> question-microphone. >> >> Basically, I'd like to see the room I'm speaking to... the chairs >> table is boring, and too far away for me to see if they have >> "confused" looks on their faces... > _______________________________________________ NOTE WELL: This list > operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html. > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet > From nobody Tue Apr 5 08:04:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD8312D109 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:04:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8b9B3LLiNq21 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x234.google.com (mail-io0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59FFF12D0BD for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x234.google.com with SMTP id 2so22093606ioy.1 for ; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 08:04:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=gtnl6ujioFTbZfon8Rib9ea5XPIZ4+t7YMhJFHUvWIw=; b=Dz0/aspnMs2Tt7UKtcvzwPEkGK9M7Q8pgtzMTawNNend0ihdyKmwcMvvndj1zqQTfV NMzoVnZpMLKdzpa856js4Afa5u4pnNXaOsn13udjNdBr4G7OgtRh0xkDxo9k40I5tKBN PvBtiKoU0+2REhjYsHROMFzXmuW9OZlDC3lmo5nN6HExXVrAzBp1VaNSCMFOSuez73Jm WSwN+9pHWSfxMumVLWyQ/ngBQgwTSblhUPg+qlMhMjRf5zQcWWDGyXnVgCsXWc4ypwxO KnXD1d/Xx3ezgn5HXcMNW8aKU1k1PkX6GfjGJnwYGQMfgjyO3orRMoXAqQ6b/wk0mb+Y 13IA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from :to; bh=gtnl6ujioFTbZfon8Rib9ea5XPIZ4+t7YMhJFHUvWIw=; b=BTA6uwLPzWn+ZfVjvVGuiXhYprJChKqv7+P3jH7U5f6MXdWwxDLHIGbHxR6mZBhZDc 5mkLYakUQOleb5ITqc0RQshw49Ce4XbcW8pzJUc5Vpaj4BBkVG2aYl3cWOd5T2QZUHKR o2hs+ODzLizmzf0LPL7wljbgfBWHLEYTDi1NrYk0k1kbDzEpORp2G8imkM/eWm8B4Uqu 5li3Pxk6LmM/4yH4VX7zizXY8h36D4epdumIWk/xjzoEB5QoZFUOkMaQTgPegtfzTK5Q a2Lv9Rw06rYJQRCLV7xC1+i2Gm7/G58s6Z1vLwU/gy5Bwq8pEVgqi0OcCx/yMYHIf7Un XdfQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKcj470RtVhDSe5Wmo7JvIoeXgcTiwAl5GMtN1+dsytf8gvfbc+vxTkD1MRia2fSguhFcqUW4z0rPsFpw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.10.206 with SMTP id 75mr14962386iok.155.1459868642521; Tue, 05 Apr 2016 08:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: dhruvdhody@gmail.com X-Google-Sender-Delegation: dhruvdhody@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.222.71 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 12:04:02 -0300 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4nulRNlxUgUgtmCt6yy5TDO1nRQ Message-ID: From: Dhruv Dhody To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113f89b4db3910052fbe2763 Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Slides in meetecho X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:04:05 -0000 --001a113f89b4db3910052fbe2763 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Slides in the meetecho windows are not displayed in the best possible way. The slides are stretched as 4:3 is shown in widescreen mode (?). The text/figures from draft in (courier new) are never visible. The colors are sometimes quite different. Is it because of the presenters laptops? Jeff Haas mentioned that - US ppt will often format on US sizes and others will often do metric A4 based sizes, etc. What might be an interesting tool for a sprint is basically to take rendered slides and push them into a virtual window showing various distortions when remotely presented. =E2=80=8BMight be a wild idea, but could we set some guidelines for the =E2= =80=8Bs lide =E2=80=8B, even a template (not mandatory of course)? Regards, Dhruv =E2=80=8B --001a113f89b4db3910052fbe2763 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:46:38 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,444,1455004800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="103618593" Received: from hioexcmbx04-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.122.105.37]) by mx142-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 05 Apr 2016 08:46:21 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) by hioexcmbx04-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.37) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1156.6; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:46:21 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([::1]) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com ([fe80::c07c:8fcd:f7e4:f32b%21]) with mapi id 15.00.1156.000; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:46:21 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: "Tools-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: securityheaders.io for ietf.org Thread-Index: AQHRj1JMEsnFJ12ZpUG68AG3+onbFQ== Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 15:46:20 +0000 Message-ID: <730D1A19-2D86-49AC-BD32-946D348D0DE9@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.120.60.36] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AAD2DC46-0A1D-4469-A30B-91A58693D06F"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] securityheaders.io for ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:46:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_AAD2DC46-0A1D-4469-A30B-91A58693D06F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We might want to do something about this: https://securityheaders.io/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fietf.org%2F Lars --Apple-Mail=_AAD2DC46-0A1D-4469-A30B-91A58693D06F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXA93MAAoJEFS1wwm/cMFX29cP/iANsDCubs2w72fGnK4ze6S6 hBX7e6XiXhUv2OR1O74NODffU7fBbIy2ZTrClJsj82+4BHVpqivUCnUU27HQKKqb i4ee9R2cs7ET/GhHUVzWL91hwI2uLaFlRoRxaBLa42yCzHjdrROlirR948etZevJ 4wQJmbHoslLowDkeyNgXDXuKWme0kijMbv3DwWcPHaNmkE+HPMTa7TFZUH/bQZAL R/dFChiZlB9P5DWSEA5QrB8omlzwv3nKKNurUSItDi5FYItMNwrfYm0B7S7u0mdD L/KGuOvcOZEFUg4ygjsFYTiESOK34PLiHANgDAaW3KgdDZnbKkWggI4xcqBidUn5 tod9NyA/QQccL6opVQqE+N5g6+NAF32fJmA044hOMCckfUTQ61b1pk3wLiez/0Bq yKA3aUwKuZVWodqnmLDYIiNC+ns+htrW8xLfu6jLsmBkThiOM4YBF8d723qjAwyj StpaPa5HOPnNYDQLp6X9gDLI/H0ic3ZXIfI2dE9OYU86Hqf9gTFky10dzuZjIdMs 7PzSsh4IswbUsF6bNz37ZR6JfVtV8EKR9YyXbtkCn7rKJx13myy0IdXIRwGt2J6F 4/NTDGH/rBrF8l8rj/79mGJ8UotOMm6vvj4UgnFsRWsCqP16lJiWaa29i6m4ql7N nvp7EyOeAKngwzT3sZCs =ul5k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_AAD2DC46-0A1D-4469-A30B-91A58693D06F-- From nobody Tue Apr 5 13:03:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC75E12D812 for ; 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Tue, 5 Apr 2016 20:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 16:03:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Morrow To: "Eggert, Lars" In-Reply-To: <730D1A19-2D86-49AC-BD32-946D348D0DE9@netapp.com> References: <730D1A19-2D86-49AC-BD32-946D348D0DE9@netapp.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/24.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Organization: Operations Network Management, Ltd. MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: "Tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] securityheaders.io for ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 20:03:23 -0000 At Tue, 5 Apr 2016 15:46:20 +0000, Eggert, Lars wrote: > > [1 ] > [1.1 ] > We might want to do something about this: > https://securityheaders.io/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fietf.org%2F > https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=ietf.org&s=2001%3a1900%3a3001%3a11%3a0%3a0%3a0%3a2c&latest is securityheaders.io busted? (or is qualys busted?) Y U So Different? > Lars > [1.2 Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ] > No public key for 54B5C309BF70C157 created at 2016-04-05T11:46:20-0400 using RSA > [2 ] > -- > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Tue Apr 5 13:09:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8665512D7FC for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 13:09:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NFfMe-FuMdKE for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 13:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.kvm02.ops-netman.net (relay.kvm02.ops-netman.net [IPv6:2606:700:e:550:5c82:28ff:fe25:4960]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B76E12D0B8 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 13:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ops-netman.net (unknown [208.76.12.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay.kvm02.ops-netman.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A6BD407C0; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 20:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from morrowc-glaptop4.roam.corp.google.com.ops-netman.net (unknown [190.111.246.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ops-netman.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AA3808802B9; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 20:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 16:09:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Morrow To: "Eggert, Lars" In-Reply-To: References: <730D1A19-2D86-49AC-BD32-946D348D0DE9@netapp.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/24.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Organization: Operations Network Management, Ltd. MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: "Tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] securityheaders.io for ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 20:09:41 -0000 At Tue, 05 Apr 2016 16:03:12 -0400, Chris Morrow wrote: > > At Tue, 5 Apr 2016 15:46:20 +0000, > Eggert, Lars wrote: > > > > [1 ] > > [1.1 ] > > We might want to do something about this: > > https://securityheaders.io/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fietf.org%2F > > > > https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=ietf.org&s=2001%3a1900%3a3001%3a11%3a0%3a0%3a0%3a2c&latest > > is securityheaders.io busted? (or is qualys busted?) Y U So Different? Oh, so oddly bing and google don't show HSTS at least... though another site I do control does show hsts and gets a better score on securityheaders.io. -chris > > > Lars > > [1.2 Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ] > > No public key for 54B5C309BF70C157 created at 2016-04-05T11:46:20-0400 using RSA > > [2 ] > > -- > > Tools-discuss mailing list > > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or > > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > -- > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Tue Apr 5 13:28:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2C012D5CC; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 13:28:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AN5XJ_iCKR3y; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 13:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 307D312D184; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 13:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986AB2009E; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 16:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06CB06375A; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 16:28:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Meetecho IETF support In-Reply-To: <5702E6B0.9060305@meetecho.com> References: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <5702E6B0.9060305@meetecho.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, vmeet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [vmeet] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 20:28:10 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Meetecho IETF support wrote: > Il 04/04/2016 23:28, Michael Richardson ha scritto: >> >> I did the same presentation twice today in two WGs (to deal with cross-WG >> issues). >> >> Things that I would like to have: >> 1) big video with small slides. >> the choices are >> - big slides and many video, or >> - video fills entire screen, no slides. > thanks for the feedback. We'll try to implement this in the next versions of > the platform. My suggestion is not the consider the slides to be special. Instead, it's just another video source, just like the other video sources. Let me have 1,2 or 3 video sources in 2 or 3 size choices. As a remote presenter, I need to see that the correct slide is on the screen, but I otherwise, prefer to see the audience, and I think they'd prefer to see me looking at them. On my two screen display at home, with my usb camera snuggled between my two screens, it works best if I locate my 1/3 sized web browser halfway between the two screens so that I'm looking straight into the camera. Given that, I'd want to have the audience in the middle, and the slides and chairs on the two sides. I understood that we would be moving from single moveable camera to two cameras in the future ? Well..., my Berlin ticket is already paid for, but I think using meetecho in fully virtual mode might be useful for virtual interim meetings. Is this an option? Would the IESG or IAB like to dogfood it? I know that we also have JITSI; the ship has sailed on webex in my opinion. I supposed we are still missing the "dialin" option. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVwQf1YCLcPvd0N1lAQIx0ggAqJ6vx+klY55agHOlmiESuYR57J6DNV4t FRtw0FhSTO7PXOby1/NBvwGjb8PTN5aR5fbR8y+uhFp/OeZTaFgiuzN7A+kf487M LNNBCe/Z8KOBRBvuzonvk0APpc5V1qzHRIJlZen2Kd3G8mIB7zUhmTZbSP31Vexw +GXhmV+37wgitjCbpdWeuegs1B9vsnwb3YaZgcJid74Q5S5tgR8UX0ZRntvjqV0R aVhMqJD41cgCwzFCNMHJUMpskO85K/3pcdwgvt+k1Gzl9HXLZq/VEFk/3N0X/7sF kfAgkDCyGnTJ/yDzWajqUMBVr3JLuw/U0V3j7EpWIJlARcu3YfTYng== =XPiy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Apr 5 22:31:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DD012D5B0 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 22:31:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.931 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.931 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xt5TlVHEmiNM for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 22:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx142.netapp.com (mx142.netapp.com [216.240.21.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B38712D812 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 22:31:43 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,447,1455004800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="103749842" Received: from hioexcmbx06-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.122.105.39]) by mx142-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 05 Apr 2016 22:31:24 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) by hioexcmbx06-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.39) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1156.6; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 22:31:23 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([::1]) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com ([fe80::c07c:8fcd:f7e4:f32b%21]) with mapi id 15.00.1156.000; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 22:31:23 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Chris Morrow Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] securityheaders.io for ietf.org Thread-Index: AQHRj1JN8RZNuK60QU28kMlGGyKSdZ98QxEAgACevYA= Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 05:31:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <730D1A19-2D86-49AC-BD32-946D348D0DE9@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.120.60.35] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_872DE140-9B8F-477D-A783-9C3CE1DD3F3C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] securityheaders.io for ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 05:31:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_872DE140-9B8F-477D-A783-9C3CE1DD3F3C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2016-04-05, at 22:03, Chris Morrow wrote: >> We might want to do something about this: >> https://securityheaders.io/?q=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fietf.org%2F >=20 > = https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=3Dietf.org&s=3D2001%3a1900%= 3a3001%3a11%3a0%3a0%3a0%3a2c&latest >=20 > is securityheaders.io busted? (or is qualys busted?) Y U So Different? They check different things? securityheaders.io focuses on HTTPS content = security parameterization, ssllabs.com on the TLC configuration. Lars --Apple-Mail=_872DE140-9B8F-477D-A783-9C3CE1DD3F3C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXBJ8qAAoJEFS1wwm/cMFXPx4QAKf2Fx6BBT/4crKbcOCd5/XI zUVSBK8UwrRgHOBBupApeM2M9iXpYvoGinuNQxvSOqVpqnZCj2RYC2/HzqjHzwyK s9QzJjtTxMgtGVA9MMKvZqGJ9UD5jgsPr4sXQVqV5VQpc6CypQMzUViSBYvd0B5q T5jdKC0Z0f3VzUGnCUWmzTL+w6pa6d9/+nB0asfB6FQhJoN7cF2Qr2YGxUcSVRAX brPdCi0fFF+5/aFOe+vSi3PPSaB3PGKabiRzlSV34cI2UKuOV8n2hbd4cWFeJ82Z 01x29CRszCGnhaE70sfbvPaAo6nOQA/aI4KMnCmxWuF55ohg5L/ZGUQSjYuxw9lq w9kgKDMK3WrGqQrMGpt5kkmqW0mORlZVQVDP4cN9vgHwgyT4bIiNvTZJSVewt28i YUuxuCJQeVmEE+D7r4f3UTIs96t0vRsey+VfI2zAFwMhQ5V+EdIirlhw+CGbXSFQ Q2NbYhtAMMTWiAEaLVBQhz7kpE2tIkVGG0phQuvkYMyf3wK4T/x5bsVVAZiCcTty vhYDyS5h+R386AQwFD1yhlwZlYzmkLN0GxyI775VA4VT4kXs5hZLxeXLPAx8Dydd d6yiyr/2M5u89KGtmVy2zHdcZy2YpIh5IFFg0Am6ZAjJJmsgZJYsk415y7OmFXSI vYmMMIRg2A+lJYOxg2xN =5AsX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_872DE140-9B8F-477D-A783-9C3CE1DD3F3C-- From nobody Tue Apr 5 22:41:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7172412D829 for ; 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Wed, 06 Apr 2016 04:19:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.13.249.5 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 04:19:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <24D1A78D-A1B9-4319-8FBF-1D70B2A21172@netapp.com> References: <730D1A19-2D86-49AC-BD32-946D348D0DE9@netapp.com> <24D1A78D-A1B9-4319-8FBF-1D70B2A21172@netapp.com> From: Eric Rescorla Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 08:19:13 -0300 Message-ID: To: "Eggert, Lars" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114224880e8b1a052fcf2464 Archived-At: Cc: "Tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] securityheaders.io for ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:19:56 -0000 --001a114224880e8b1a052fcf2464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:36 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote: > On 2016-04-06, at 7:31, Eggert, Lars wrote: > > > > TLC configuration > > TLS :- > TLC is also awesome, however. -Ekr > > > -- > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > --001a114224880e8b1a052fcf2464 Content-Type: text/html; 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On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:36 AM, Eggert, Lars <lars@netapp.com> wrote:
On 2016-04-06, at 7:31, Egger= t, Lars <lars@netapp.com> wrot= e:
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> TLC configuration

TLS :-

TLC is also awesome, however.

-Ekr
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--001a114224880e8b1a052fcf2464-- From nobody Wed Apr 6 05:41:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70B412D0C6 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 05:41:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N4qEyYRAKGsc for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 05:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A5B012D09D for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 05:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F28F2002A for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 08:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5587F6375A for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 08:41:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] commenting on drafts using Google Docs --- getting it unpaginated X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 12:41:10 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain I've been commenting/sending-text on some drafts by pasting them into Google Docs, and using the "Suggesting" mode. (It's not my intention to share this with the authors directly, but to post to the list, but... ) One reason to try this is because I think it will work nicely (and in offline mode) on my tablet. I have been using GetPocket to read offline, but it does not have a useful way to comment. I wound up with this script: #!/bin/sh draft=$1 curl "http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?url=https://www.ietf.org/id/${draft}.xml&modeAsFormat=unpg/ascii&type=ascii&Submit=Submit" | gdrive upload - $draft I wish that google doc would let render the underlying xml, but "suggesting" this way, and then converting the suggestions into XML edits and/or mailing list comments has been a pretty efficient way to go. Especially because I get to hit the happy checkmarks as I go... -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVwUD4ICLcPvd0N1lAQI3qAgAwK5TBM/3PQunCd4G6uM2i0+qjJpztaRQ Kt+OZ6bFOET9J9/m7UlsSGE2t0IXJMCr2aROME25KU5BA92CatmDz/vn1at4mI7R 3IcHJBRfOwWg4k8/IKrufNBki93kVjceKOI2NGcVukeXU+Srlpj1SEortgXbYIe8 pUt7NhVRlLDUSwCdTe2R+lqOmmDzM+C/b/28bw7NJ8l8lxw0yAZCzGyJUWzGlhQ5 ViPl+sfLQLZsPw79ar4FC/Ext8SaraaClqoMF6XSj9u1OX1UNrJSL2kfsHaeIlOV EkEgqH2I4Nx+zFOjGxeoDMV4u97IMjfcRv+c6Aea7i9bnURwi86wbg== =nxl6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Apr 6 06:51:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EFB12D5B9 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 06:51:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bb09Hu7PedZ8 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 06:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.kvm02.ops-netman.net (relay.ops-netman.net [192.110.255.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E758012D5AD for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 06:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ops-netman.net (unknown [208.76.12.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay.kvm02.ops-netman.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3E1940816; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from morrowc-glaptop4.roam.corp.google.com.ops-netman.net (unknown [66.102.14.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ops-netman.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C4AFD880131; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 10:51:33 -0300 Message-ID: From: Chris Morrow To: Eric Rescorla In-Reply-To: References: <730D1A19-2D86-49AC-BD32-946D348D0DE9@netapp.com> <24D1A78D-A1B9-4319-8FBF-1D70B2A21172@netapp.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/24.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Organization: Operations Network Management, Ltd. MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: "Tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] securityheaders.io for ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 13:51:44 -0000 At Wed, 6 Apr 2016 08:19:13 -0300, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > [1 ] > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:36 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote: > > > On 2016-04-06, at 7:31, Eggert, Lars wrote: > > > > > > TLC configuration > > > > TLS :- > > > > TLC is also awesome, however. > it is sorely missed from many parts of the https-landscape. 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Fri, 8 Apr 2016 09:04:54 -0400 From: "HANSEN, TONY L" To: Meetecho IETF support , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" , "vmeet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [vmeet] meetecho for remote presenters Thread-Index: AQHRjrkX2xz+l49OAke/e17EOPTJiw== Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:04:53 +0000 Message-ID: <81911456-6302-4445-AEFB-E2AEF8DCECEC@att.com> References: <22117.1459805337@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <1F26B780-F115-47A7-AEA1-BCA1F98BBF0E@att.com> <5703D26A.60900@meetecho.com> In-Reply-To: <5703D26A.60900@meetecho.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.110.240.106] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <0CE2FA4EDDF3A14BAF46EF2FE083BEDB@LOCAL> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2016-04-08_09:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_policy_notspam policy=outbound_policy score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1603180000 definitions=main-1604080193 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [vmeet] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:05:50 -0000 T24gNC81LzE2LCAxMDo1NyBBTSwgIk1lZXRlY2hvIElFVEYgc3VwcG9ydCIgPGlldGZAbWVldGVj aG8uY29tPiB3cm90ZToNCg0KDQo+SWwgMDUvMDQvMjAxNiAwMTozMSwgSEFOU0VOLCBUT05ZIEwg aGEgc2NyaXR0bzoNCj4+IFNvbWUgY29tbWVudHMgZnJvbSBteSByZW1vdGUgZXhwZXJpZW5jZXMg dG9kYXkuDQo+Pg0KPj4gRmlyc3Qgb2ZmLCBtZWV0ZWNobyBpcyBhIFZBU1QgaW1wcm92ZW1lbnQg b3ZlciBob3cgcmVtb3RlIGFjY2VzcyB1c2VkDQo+PiB0byBiZSwgYW5kIGl0J3MgZ2V0dGluZyBi ZXR0ZXIgZXZlcnkgbWVldGluZy4gVGhhbmtzISEhDQoNCkEgZmV3IG1vcmUgY29tbWVudHM6DQoN Ck9jY2FzaW9uYWxseSBJJ2xsIGxvc2UgY29ubmVjdGl2aXR5IHRvIHRoZSBhdWRpbyBzdHJlYW0s IGEgdmlkZW8gc3RyZWFtLCBvciBldmVuIHRoZSBzbGlkZSBzdHJlYW0sIHdoaWxlIGV2ZXJ5dGhp bmcgZWxzZSBrZWVwcyB3b3JraW5nLiBBIHdpbmRvdyByZWZyZXNoIHNvbWV0aW1lcyBmaXhlcyB0 aGVzZS4NCg0KKikgaXQgd291bGQgYmUgbmljZSB0byBoYXZlIGEgd2F5IHRvIHJlc3RhcnQgaW5k aXZpZHVhbCBzdHJlYW1zLCBhcyBpbiAiY2xpY2sgaGVyZSB0byByZWZyZXNoIHRoZSBhdWRpbyBz dHJlYW0iLCAiY2xpY2sgaGVyZSB0byByZWZyZXNoIHRoZSBzbGlkZSBzdHJlYW0iLCBldGMuIChl LmcuIENpcmN1bGFyIHJlZnJlc2ggaWNvbnMgb24gYSBjb3JuZXIgb2YgdGhlIHNwZWNpZmljIHN0 cmVhbS4pDQoNClNvbWV0aW1lcyBkb2luZyBhIHJlZnJlc2ggbG9zZXMgdGhlIHJvb20gaW5mb3Jt YXRpb24gYW5kIGl0IHByb21wdHMgZm9yIGEgcm9vbSBuYW1lLiBIdWg/IEFuZCB0aGUgcHJvbXB0 cyBsb29rIHJlYWxseSBtZXNzZWQgdXAgb24gbXkgc2NyZWVuLCB3aXRoIHRoZSBidXR0b24gb24g dG9wIG9mIHRoZSBpbnB1dCB0ZXh0Ym94Lg0KDQpBZnRlciB0eXBpbmcgaW4gdGhlIHJlZ2lzdHJh dGlvbiBudW1iZXIsIHRoZXJlIGlzIGEgYmFja2dyb3VuZCBsb2FkIG9mIHlvdXIgc2F2ZWQgcGlj dHVyZSwgQU5EIGEgdmVyeSBhbm5veWluZyBleHBhbnNpb24gb2YgdGhlIGFyZWEgYWJvdmUgdGhl IG5hbWUgdG8gZGlzcGxheSB0aGUgc2F2ZWQgcGljdHVyZSBvciBwbGFjZWhvbGRlciBwaWN0dXJl LiBUaGUgcmVhc29uIGl0J3MgYW5ub3lpbmcgaXMgdGhhdCB3aGVuIHlvdSdyZSB0cnlpbmcgdG8g bG9nIGluIChvciBSRS1sb2dpbiBxdWlja2x5IHRvIGF2b2lkIG1pc3NpbmcgbW9yZSBvZiB0aGUg bWVldGluZyksIHRoZSBjaGVjayBib3hlcyBhcmUgbW92aW5nIGFyb3VuZCB0aGUgc2NyZWVuIHJp Z2h0IHdoZW4geW91J3JlIHRyeWluZyB0byBjbGljayB0aGVtLCB5b3UncmUgY2hhc2luZyB0aGVt IGFyb3VuZCB0aGUgc2NyZWVuIGFuZCBsb3NpbmcgdGltZSB3YWl0aW5nIGZvciB0aGVtIHRvIHNl dHRsZSBkb3duLg0KDQpSZWxhdW5jaGluZyB0aGUgd2luZG93IGZyb20gYWdlbmRhIHN0YXJ0cyBh bGwgb3ZlciBmcm9tIHRoZSB2ZXJ5IGJlZ2lubmluZyBsb2dpbiBzY3JlZW4uIElmIHlvdSBwcmV2 aW91c2x5IGNsaWNrZWQgInJlbWVtYmVyIG15IGxvZ2luIGluZm8iLCBpdCBmaWxscyBpbiB0aGUg bmFtZSBhbmQgcmVnaXN0cmF0aW9uIGluZm8uIEJ1dCB5b3Ugc3RpbGwgbmVlZCB0byByZS1jbGlj ayB0aGUgYnV0dG9ucyBhY2tub3dsZWRnaW5nIHRoZSBub3RlIHdlbGwuIEkgYWxzbyBjbGljayAi cmVtZW1iZXIgbXkgbG9naW4gaW5mbyIgYWdhaW4gImp1c3QgaW4gY2FzZSIuIEl0IHNlZW1zIGxp a2UgdGhpcyBzY2VuYXJpbyBjb3VsZCBiZSBzdHJlYW1saW5lZCBiZXR0ZXIgd2hlbiB5b3UncmUg cmUtbG9nZ2luZyBpbiB0byBhbiBvbi1nb2luZyBzZXNzaW9uIGFuZCB5b3UncmUgdHJ5aW5nIHRv IG1pc3MgYXMgbGl0dGxlIGFzIHBvc3NpYmxlLg0KDQoJVG9ueSBIYW5zZW4NCg== From nobody Fri Apr 8 06:43:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36ED812D0FF for ; 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WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <81911456-6302-4445-AEFB-E2AEF8DCECEC@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [vmeet] meetecho for remote presenters X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:43:17 -0000 Hi Tony, answering inline. Il 08/04/2016 15:04, HANSEN, TONY L ha scritto: > On 4/5/16, 10:57 AM, "Meetecho IETF support" wrote: > > >> Il 05/04/2016 01:31, HANSEN, TONY L ha scritto: >>> Some comments from my remote experiences today. >>> >>> First off, meetecho is a VAST improvement over how remote access used >>> to be, and it's getting better every meeting. Thanks!!! > > A few more comments: > > Occasionally I'll lose connectivity to the audio stream, a video stream, or even the slide stream, while everything else keeps working. A window refresh sometimes fixes these. > > *) it would be nice to have a way to restart individual streams, as in "click here to refresh the audio stream", "click here to refresh the slide stream", etc. (e.g. Circular refresh icons on a corner of the specific stream.) > Absolutely agree, and we've already added this to our TODO list for Berlin since we first noticed some users experiencing the issue. We'll also add some detection mechanisms to try and recover automatically, should this happen, and maybe react accordingly in a few additional ways (e.g., if you're losing streams often, maybe just give up on speaker feed and only keep slides on, in case it's bandwidth issues or excessive packet loss). > Sometimes doing a refresh loses the room information and it prompts for a room name. Huh? And the prompts look really messed up on my screen, with the button on top of the input textbox. > By design, you should be redirected to the same login page you used to join in the first place, and it should remember whatever you put in there automatically. If that's not always working as expected, it's a bug ad we'll have to look into that. You're probably ending up in a login page that actually forgot part of that info (e.g., the WG you were following), which uses a different layout. > After typing in the registration number, there is a background load of your saved picture, AND a very annoying expansion of the area above the name to display the saved picture or placeholder picture. The reason it's annoying is that when you're trying to log in (or RE-login quickly to avoid missing more of the meeting), the check boxes are moving around the screen right when you're trying to click them, you're chasing them around the screen and losing time waiting for them to settle down. > Ack, we'll need to fix that. The avatar feature is a brand new one we just added for the meeting here in BA, so there are indeed improvements that are needed on the user experience there. > Relaunching the window from agenda starts all over from the very beginning login screen. If you previously clicked "remember my login info", it fills in the name and registration info. But you still need to re-click the buttons acknowledging the note well. I also click "remember my login info" again "just in case". It seems like this scenario could be streamlined better when you're re-logging in to an on-going session and you're trying to miss as little as possible. > Makes sense, and I guessthe "Note well" part is particularly annoying as it prevents you to join if unchecked. If you checked it once, you did confirm you read it, and we should remember that as well. 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Fri, 8 Apr 2016 22:16:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: hobgoblin.ariadne.com: worley set sender to worley@alum.mit.edu using -f From: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 22:16:54 -0400 Message-ID: <87bn5jfrvt.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Meeting agenda page does not point to meeting materials X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2016 02:16:58 -0000 If I look at the Sipcore entry in the IETF-95 agenda page (https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/95/agenda.html), I see: 12:20-13:20 Friday Afternoon session I Buen Ayre C art sipcore Session Initiation Protocol Core [iconA] [iconB] [iconC] iconA creates some sort of pop-up window (why does it not have mouseover text?) iconB downloads a TAR file containing the drafts for the session (but its mouseover text is "Download meeting materials as a .tar archive", which is not correct, as it does not include the presentations) iconC downloads the drafts as a single PDF file (similar problem with its mouseover text) What is missing is a link to the entry in https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/95/materials.html/ which would let you retrieve the presentations: sipcore Agenda No minutes Chair Slides Locating SIP Servers in a Dual-Stack Network draft-ietf-sipcore-dns-dual-stack SIP OAuth Use Cases draft-yusef-sipcore-sip-oauth Dale From nobody Fri Apr 8 22:08:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC74812D1A9 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 22:08:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.931 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.931 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xnx4JJCLgQV8 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 22:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx141.netapp.com (mx141.netapp.com [216.240.21.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB2BF12D1A6 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 22:08:29 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,454,1455004800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="111465448" Received: from hioexcmbx08-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.122.105.41]) by mx141-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 08 Apr 2016 22:03:29 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) by hioexcmbx08-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.41) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1156.6; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 22:03:26 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([::1]) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com ([fe80::c07c:8fcd:f7e4:f32b%21]) with mapi id 15.00.1156.000; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 22:03:26 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: "Dale R. Worley" Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Meeting agenda page does not point to meeting materials Thread-Index: AQHRkgXnzTdogKWPMEagRbVwgteTHp+Bi5sA Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 05:03:25 +0000 Message-ID: <27C5DCF2-BE7D-46E3-8133-17344119D7FE@netapp.com> References: <87bn5jfrvt.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> In-Reply-To: <87bn5jfrvt.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.120.60.36] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6160C774-B023-40A1-A78A-F2848318ED69"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meeting agenda page does not point to meeting materials X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2016 05:08:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6160C774-B023-40A1-A78A-F2848318ED69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii See https://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/1838 These suggestions are better filed as "enhancement"-type tickets. Lars On 2016-04-09, at 4:16, Dale R. Worley wrote: >=20 > If I look at the Sipcore entry in the IETF-95 agenda page > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/95/agenda.html), I see: >=20 > 12:20-13:20 Friday Afternoon session I >=20 > Buen Ayre C art sipcore Session Initiation Protocol Core = [iconA] [iconB] [iconC] >=20 > iconA creates some sort of pop-up window (why does it not have = mouseover > text?) >=20 > iconB downloads a TAR file containing the drafts for the session (but > its mouseover text is "Download meeting materials as a .tar archive", > which is not correct, as it does not include the presentations) >=20 > iconC downloads the drafts as a single PDF file (similar problem with > its mouseover text) >=20 > What is missing is a link to the entry in > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/95/materials.html/ which would = let > you retrieve the presentations: >=20 > sipcore Agenda No minutes Chair Slides > Locating SIP Servers in a Dual-Stack = Network draft-ietf-sipcore-dns-dual-stack > SIP OAuth Use Cases = draft-yusef-sipcore-sip-oauth >=20 > Dale >=20 > -- > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_6160C774-B023-40A1-A78A-F2848318ED69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXCI0hAAoJEFS1wwm/cMFXVpMQAJCzOBN54XbRJ/UCP/pQnh8l cio3az0DrLEArKAVHOoLJwAcdUbOAjhpwmKuA2PpDPw1njMU+6ZC1/x8KRdqzy+j sGIg+xlrt9rgNoDQQr5VNx7IEmxyBxv7fV0G45bQ9YVSX3jeljWVhppAzxbhdqqE ApXllfaEjHAfyXTFD2cIppWy9ngnp4hBs4VJdYe61BJvBr3+48yjyKzcuy94D+W8 e1bHCJvEUuKuGAqpAVQBwLm9CCgmHiIckc6khPHH1gk/RGL8LtLSOZnQS4+Tu3gN E1OcnSQzeyF5XRy2iSUusAgkYD6P7RqlCg//N8iohGIzOHF/Uq7zahQciTMBzNoh 4f7OCJG427vLjwR+qL/DJrf0LL7QWKlVssQ5rhAFEGtDC2jgcVKWkI7ZuzeJtGwo Xz8nbzNyQm/YpXrc96v4SP3mqGRw0ow6aj9cYIt0IRK3JUZnb2v4dRM2/D2VBdMM Lm082yvQ00UeUv18QO2AgfBfBpvYMturLmm+2qDZTUj+VehL3A7+XVjE6F3ufmhu otQ443OzNpTGysFYiYEVxZGkC/op3itzOQ+hM7rMqW5sjFMyxoccukANPfZRp9HD GLoarNANU8azU021AjuufGRqQOzGr+zNRYsflid/zkoA0we3v+5whjaYjIWc+IiS IKJtnfjONXFkVYRga0us =RSs2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_6160C774-B023-40A1-A78A-F2848318ED69-- From nobody Mon Apr 11 06:35:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E786412EEBB; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 06:35:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zjFdwAS3ZX1q; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0628912EEC3; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 06:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049458.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049458.ppops.net-00191d01. 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Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id j35so20025222qge.0; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:12:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FXSM2ONcF7Xkr5mAxoNfJCxsHIFjCAZAaoqxt+KnoNYIjy3Y2cSK6cx5okDEc9Z+Q1+FD3nuMYmzbbxGQ== X-Received: by 10.140.19.52 with SMTP id 49mr4921783qgg.103.1460477521397; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:12:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.34.56 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:11:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <650CB358-7F40-40BC-8160-28EAAB144BB8@amsl.com> References: <570D0066.5030102@nostrum.com> <650CB358-7F40-40BC-8160-28EAAB144BB8@amsl.com> From: Glen Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:11:41 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] recent spam subscriptions to ietf.org lists X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: glen@amsl.com List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:12:03 -0000 > From: "HANSEN, TONY L" > Subject: [Tools-discuss] recent spam subscriptions to ietf.org lists > Date: April 11, 2016 at 10:34:44 AM GMT-3 > To: Tools-discuss , WGChairs > > I'm seeing spam subscriptions ramping up again, using random subaddresses > off of a handful of gmail addresses. So far they all match these patterns: > > ^leafylagann\+.+@gmail.com > ^kemo.mart\+.+@gmail.com > ^kezukaya\+.+@gmail.com > ^dramaalertbiz\+.+@gmail.com > ^killerkeemstar\+.+@gmail.com > ^newdramaalert\+.+@gmail.com > > - Tony This was forwarded to me for response. The way to combat this is to add a per-list configuration addition to the "banned addresses" section of the list config... When we saw this previously, it was all +numeric suffixes. Doing something like, ^[a-zA-Z0-9_.-]+\+[0-9]+@gmail.com would probably stop all of them. Or, the list owner could limit it to the known prefixes, and do a separate entry for each one, like this: ^kemo.mart\+[0-9]+@gmail.com Of course, Tony's rules suggest that the address space has spread to alpha characters, so his rules might work better. AMS has applied these to the lists we manage; but it is up to each list owner to choose to use one (or more) of the above methods on your particular lists (or not.) Glen Glen Barney IT Director AMS (IETF Secretariat) From nobody Tue Apr 12 11:33:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E4512E264; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BYAblYUzl4Nx; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.149.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C5C912E1D4; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049295.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049295.ppops.net-00191d01. 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boundary="------------000003090706080600030009" Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: Configuration change complete (was Re: Changes in using the global whitelist on IETF lists) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:53:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000003090706080600030009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit fyi -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Configuration change complete (was Re: Changes in using the global whitelist on IETF lists) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:52:46 -0500 From: Robert Sparks To: wgchairs@ietf.org The change to add @global-whitelist to each list's configuration is now complete. (As mentioned on other threads, we held off making this change during the server upgrades and during IETF 95). If you need to revert the change for any reason, use the mailman configuration interface to remove @global-whitelist from your list's accept_these_nonmembers setting. Please let me know if you see any unexpected behavior from your list. RjS On 2/18/16 9:40 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > > > On 2/17/16 12:55 PM, Jonathan Lennox wrote: >> >>> On Feb 3, 2016, at 12:45 AM, IETF Chair wrote: >>> >>> For the last few months, several working group lists have been >>> utilizing a global-whitelist containing the full set of addresses >>> that are subscribed to or have been whitelisted for any mailman list >>> at ietf.org . This is working well, and we will be >>> configuring all new mailing lists to use this global-whitelist by >>> default. We also plan to adjust the configuration of existing lists >>> to use the global-whitelist later this month. >>> >>> If you are an administrator of a mailman list at ietf.org >>> and you do not wish your list's configuration to >>> be altered to use the global-whitelist, please send a note to >>> ietf-action@ietf.org before February >>> 19, 2015 asking that your list configuration remain unchanged. >> >> Has this not yet been implemented (since it’s not yet February 19th), > No, it hasn't been implemented yet. >> or is ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org >> not included in the global >> whitelist? > That address is in the global whitelist. >> I just had to manually approve a “milestones changed” e-mail from the >> datatracker. > You (and any list maintainer) can set up use of the global whitelist > immediately if you want to. > Just go put @global-whitelist in your lists' accept_these_nonmembers > configuration field on the Privacy options page. > > I expect it will be several days after the 19th before the remaining > lists are touched. I'll send a note when that happens. > --------------000003090706080600030009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit fyi


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Configuration change complete (was Re: Changes in using the global whitelist on IETF lists)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:52:46 -0500
From: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
To: wgchairs@ietf.org


The change to add @global-whitelist to each list's configuration is now complete.
(As mentioned on other threads, we held off making this change during the server upgrades and during IETF 95).

If you need to revert the change for any reason, use the mailman configuration interface to remove @global-whitelist from your list's accept_these_nonmembers setting.

Please let me know if you see any unexpected behavior from your list.

RjS

On 2/18/16 9:40 AM, Robert Sparks wrote:


On 2/17/16 12:55 PM, Jonathan Lennox wrote:

On Feb 3, 2016, at 12:45 AM, IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org> wrote:

For the last few months, several working group lists have been utilizing a global-whitelist containing the full set of addresses that are subscribed to or have been whitelisted for any mailman list at ietf.org. This is working well, and we will be configuring all new mailing lists to use this global-whitelist by default. We also plan to adjust the configuration of existing lists to use the global-whitelist later this month.

If you are an administrator of a mailman list at ietf.org and you do not wish your list's configuration to be altered to use the global-whitelist, please send a note to ietf-action@ietf.org before February 19, 2015 asking that your list configuration remain unchanged.

Has this not yet been implemented (since it’s not yet February 19th),
No, it hasn't been implemented yet.
or is ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org not included in the global whitelist?
That address is in the global whitelist.
I just had to manually approve a “milestones changed” e-mail from the datatracker.
You (and any list maintainer) can set up use of the global whitelist immediately if you want to.
Just go put @global-whitelist in your lists' accept_these_nonmembers configuration field on the Privacy options page.

I expect it will be several days after the 19th before the remaining lists are touched. I'll send a note when that happens.




--------------000003090706080600030009-- From nobody Thu Apr 21 12:16:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF3912E107 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:16:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.373 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.373 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=1.651, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6yvE9lg3eQzS for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 220EF12E17B for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31505 invoked by uid 0); 21 Apr 2016 19:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2016 19:16:00 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id l7Fv1s00t2SSUrH017FyDm; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 13:15:58 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=G/WPTbU5 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=kziv93cY1bsA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=k-6gyg38j3Bu9c8oKREA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=oQU_9Nc_29gA:10 a=6bSc4M4-HQcJG73lsP8A:9 a=dVysesGFylgPk_Jn:18 a=HXjIzolwW10A:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:To; bh=4hj08GMUQLCuZMDHvMjYhll+Fwt/kmriPB3OGpwaxRI=; b=kogCTLxTVXVhRjkbFWyKJs3PXN UgYdnOBK38o3Hqm671DGvMHxqMH3peq9uLo8aYy8R6ibg6wTNG40PJ1KigIQLLH6+xpZ1aS55TkPf mpIpZXDKYDL518Uz5bhOE8KPv; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:49307 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1atK4y-0006JK-Ud; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 13:15:57 -0600 To: ietf-action@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <571926E8.6000709@labn.net> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 15:15:52 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------010000010803000000050103" X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] unable to record on webex X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 19:16:02 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010000010803000000050103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi,
    I just tried to record a WG- related meeting and am getting an error saying there is no available storage.  Can you help?

Thanks,
Lou


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In-Reply-To: <571926E8.6000709@labn.net> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:24:11 -0700 Sendlaterdate: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:24:11 -0700 Message-Id: References: <571926E8.6000709@labn.net> To: Lou Berger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] unable to record on webex X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 19:24:12 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4F2B7855-80D7-496C-8A93-6643A67B28EC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lou, I am looking into this. Alexa On Apr 21, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > Hi, > I just tried to record a WG- related meeting and am getting an = error saying there is no available storage. Can you help? >=20 > Thanks, > Lou >=20 > > --=20 > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com --Apple-Mail=_4F2B7855-80D7-496C-8A93-6643A67B28EC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Lou,

I am looking into = this.

Alexa

On= Apr 21, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> = wrote:

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Hi,
    I just tried to record a WG- related meeting and = am getting an error saying there is no available storage.  Can you help?

Thanks,
Lou

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= --Apple-Mail=_4F2B7855-80D7-496C-8A93-6643A67B28EC-- From nobody Fri Apr 22 15:48:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E372B12DD97 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2016 15:48:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=kingsmountain.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KNS-li4Tutdt for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2016 15:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CB6312D96F for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2016 15:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7446 invoked by uid 0); 22 Apr 2016 22:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2016 22:48:17 -0000 Received: from box514.bluehost.com ([74.220.219.114]) by CMOut01 with id laoB1s00Y2UhLwi01aoEBo; Fri, 22 Apr 2016 16:48:15 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=G/WPTbU5 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9W6Fsu4pMcyimqnCr1W0/w==:117 a=9W6Fsu4pMcyimqnCr1W0/w==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=NEAV23lmAAAA:8 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=XYUc-DgfXtMA:10 a=UFWr1SZZQlcA:10 a=kziv93cY1bsA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=QF6cNFJBq-8ZuU5xWaYA:9 a=y_fLuV3_sRhzYxqH:21 a=8GRUPVLX1Dkaseo-:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kingsmountain.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:To; bh=nOE9cloDOJAtJlfv9nUftSzcLiIClF+g2EQplgzDY4A=; b=nzf5yw/PfOfhRJl5aYu6XBqdw+ OUZ+N5EQYQqS7DcHcHO3nWT3u0fWoF/q6LfgvGW3noTptFIAV1Ooc6YsfoLyxWZ7bZtnK5Rf4/z0m FlcQ2LPkemRkh3uya7lN1rZnt; Received: from [70.213.9.16] (port=5704 helo=[10.0.0.1]) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1atjrw-00039a-Q3 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2016 16:48:13 -0600 To: IETF Tools List From: =JeffH Message-ID: <571AAA20.9090508@KingsMountain.com> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 15:48:00 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {11025:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:smtp auth 70.213.9.16 authed with jeff.hodges+kingsmountain.com} Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] integrating working group mailing lists with github.com? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 22:48:20 -0000 fyi/fwiw, the W3C has pretty well worked out how to incorp github.com repos into their processes, including mailing lists. Here's some info that we IETF oughta at least look at and perhaps borrow/leverage -- it would be great if we could at least stand up a github-notify-mla instance.. mailing list integration w/github issues & pull requests & pushes, etc https://github.com/dontcallmedom/github-notify-ml/ note that https://github.com/dontcallmedom/github-notify-ml/index.py needs to be installed and configured on a internet-accessible web server, and registered with github.com as a webhook endpoint. how the W3C's instance is config'd is noted here: https://github.com/dontcallmedom/github-notify-ml#w3c-instance see also... Using GitHub for W3C specifications https://www.w3.org/2015/Talks/1217-github-w3c/#/1 hth, =JeffH s