From nobody Sun May 1 15:05:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060F512D184 for ; Sun, 1 May 2016 15:05:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=rtfm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9e_iumO_x2Xm for ; Sun, 1 May 2016 15:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x22a.google.com (mail-yw0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22CA812D124 for ; Sun, 1 May 2016 15:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id o66so253747998ywc.3 for ; Sun, 01 May 2016 15:05:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rtfm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6us3ioARlhFMrnbpWoOPFCXj1MOImW5M80lKYnRAfR8=; b=Gf/hVAAUwK/qIbtveOq6xIzIep15KCs5hd48QwSH/A7lbjlrocyb5jDF+AXnsk9rMj Q1HzgafJsHotZzbdG1ex/xll5irlb22yZNCGGMTU8NUsyXyPziUXts39UBFcQ1RAjrak maE4ouysqYthxDrrIyjbRDK1sTul3gTLjyhs9GgD4G0P+xidfGKqqJJRpdBXmmk7RA2Q VDFVE3AUzN8knEM/5fv0OlcgCHX2/l6GUBEna/eRXL7mnyXeRGQldsQdZGTCl718ocU8 /05eCAG1mRC3DUi3otw+gXvgXZ7ie18OfS7NgbvL3L8d8fTiK7da6HnEDygiHDjSUzkF zPzA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6us3ioARlhFMrnbpWoOPFCXj1MOImW5M80lKYnRAfR8=; b=GYtjCX6TzbvLUG/mP+YAfK6eOo6n7lJ85T1+FBb3MNPyXvJ8f9yUfH1pyHyQLy7Nb6 NRMANLg24/8SipaChZUXR6qy559N6GprUV12VV/1PYuDmaWcJZ7ez+P+NyM50rVWrbAP 8RRD7rJeRuiGIktQiGfKm1n+By/a5+Ux7tpQYm/UIOojDpqxgihInKjBI284sc9ILbDl 2xz9T+bBLIL5vHZym/j4sdRQcrxY/HBNn+8Fs5nnEz4lWl94IcN/EVAGInpMqdQKKJQX H/Qsy3InNTGrEAOW4uFV7S8yxBBxUmibRmwdxmuVEb9hOfPYxuZYgjzmeTXLQsUAicIJ uCuw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVKFJnJs04wgfpfdASxzdo8CjTexNBICXPJrCUXC9WipNp4CECceFjYpG+8U+fIfoda0Xwle0uDcBG4Hw== X-Received: by 10.129.51.140 with SMTP id z134mr16762363ywz.322.1462136478628; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:01:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.132.12 with HTTP; Sun, 1 May 2016 14:00:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Rescorla Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 14:00:39 -0700 Message-ID: To: tools-discuss Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140746e6c2e680531ce2d8d Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Tools is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 22:05:02 -0000 --001a1140746e6c2e680531ce2d8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Not sure where to send this: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/tools.ietf.org "It's not just you! http://tools.ietf.org looks down from here." --001a1140746e6c2e680531ce2d8d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not sure where to send this:

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Bob On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > Not sure where to send this: > http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/tools.ietf.org > > "It's not just you! http://tools.ietf.org looks down from here." > > > -- > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > From nobody Sun May 1 15:29:40 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4035A12D0DA for ; Sun, 1 May 2016 15:29:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=rtfm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D1HTFNviz9Fd for ; Sun, 1 May 2016 15:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x22f.google.com (mail-yw0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E510B12B004 for ; Sun, 1 May 2016 15:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id g133so221635093ywb.2 for ; Sun, 01 May 2016 15:29:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rtfm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+b1h+YPslaoTA/KtFDk6vxVbV0X7tAkav6/WVea2RIA=; b=xV3M35bPu26HcXhnE+8c3iYXs83DHibEYicB8t6CcOx/38NcR/bIVsPtd1BT/DiXKd 7lzB1HUbMlCWNWAVaU6bKgGWpdEXNujO8gZFreKLieLymAeWlJEOyKYcX1pgwz7B3+wW AYTMJfew8ru7mlak43KyL3Z3JruAG/Z6Nng+BQtwKAr6cwgjFDqjT+EefGATMZcVYoho WY0tW1psqwVljDYW1TKA5lxlgKnnYtYU0lJ2E+3bfy8M3n/z9b++mVupQaTTsFFK33i+ aetiRtqoDpXPsXps/H3Kd6CDtmk7wzAuIzguf06JoKul7Eu85TW+IOJ+8Lk1pkwWgBVA 16aw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+b1h+YPslaoTA/KtFDk6vxVbV0X7tAkav6/WVea2RIA=; b=H54eM4sTLR3p5kaHKjbCFoaDYHkFtcaLVh86ptrP9/FhHCmpHnrJaQYwo6CJ9aKDdD Vdvih01JSGWUmRXmUmLbax8qt5V9ro3ICLKPDCrKsrtA6UqN6vuZSD9QiGwgegNremjK S78tEXY+JFwoW8+N8U+Zw81hheoWJFa7XZiXXi9idiwq8RSz8M4jHYOf76Cz2hp6kQV9 cvaUV42UzEz44ozb6oBYFvZi5EuPbW8AscIlMHzacezP7GwjayQUaDzBEAQsoJklOfvG F+i8it847pnlj6Sro07RRFnxIpbP98pmdyn5+oTVevy3dpbtrHfy0NPq6uKpocZTjhqB y8bw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVw4oiyqCnWTZ0eyBucbBJQOAAeIcforIJZH3GRG7H9F/4az1X0Wev6ToDPza78vwh7zzeixIBbvGrd8A== X-Received: by 10.37.198.2 with SMTP id k2mr17632478ybf.82.1462141774186; Sun, 01 May 2016 15:29:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.132.12 with HTTP; Sun, 1 May 2016 15:28:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eric Rescorla Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 15:28:54 -0700 Message-ID: To: Bob Hinden Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c08c950101d9d0531cf698f Archived-At: Cc: tools-discuss Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Tools is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 22:29:38 -0000 --94eb2c08c950101d9d0531cf698f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I guess due to time passing On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Up to me. > > > Bob > > > On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > Not sure where to send this: > > http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/tools.ietf.org > > > > "It's not just you! http://tools.ietf.org looks down from here." > > > > > > -- > > Tools-discuss mailing list > > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at > > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or > > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > > --94eb2c08c950101d9d0531cf698f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I guess due to time passing

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Bob Hinden= <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
Up to me.


Bob


On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
> Not sure where to send this:
> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/to= ols.ietf.org
>
> "It's not just you! http://tools.ietf.org looks down from her= e."
>
>
> --
> Tools-discuss mailing list
> Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-= discuss
>
> Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at
> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb
> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/to= ols/issues or
> send email to webmaster@to= ols.ietf.org
>

--94eb2c08c950101d9d0531cf698f-- From nobody Mon May 2 01:39:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DD912D146 for ; Mon, 2 May 2016 01:39:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BbWgy0ZGcDMl for ; Mon, 2 May 2016 01:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 988A312D131 for ; Mon, 2 May 2016 01:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-235-150-134-no105.tbcn.telia.com ([81.235.150.134]:53717 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1ax9OO-0003q9-Ra; Mon, 02 May 2016 01:39:49 -0700 Message-ID: <5727124E.9020205@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 10:39:42 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Rescorla , tools-discuss References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kQTuOpluPLXQ2C6sk5Jkpebe9tmkpCgGv" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.235.150.134 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, ekr@rtfm.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Tools is down X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 08:39:51 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --kQTuOpluPLXQ2C6sk5Jkpebe9tmkpCgGv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eric, On 2016-05-01 23:00, Eric Rescorla wrote: > Not sure where to send this: > http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/tools.ietf.org >=20 > "It's not just you! http://tools.ietf.org looks down from here." Directly to me would be good. Apache died. Restarted. Investigating. 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[128.107.241.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:465 (trex/5.5.4); Mon, 09 May 2016 15:43:54 -0400 From: Cullen Jennings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2C20BCF7-4F65-4D9C-BC40-A14E0DE89AA5@iii.ca> Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 13:41:24 -0600 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.14.01 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2016 19:43:56 -0000 For *years* idnits has been giving me warning like -- The document date (May 9, 2016) is 152 days in the past. Is this intentional? Am I doing something wrong? Any plans to fix? From nobody Tue May 10 02:09:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C1612D60E; Tue, 10 May 2016 02:09:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.921 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.921 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k8r8pRY5yaEP; Tue, 10 May 2016 02:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2916A12D635; Tue, 10 May 2016 02:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fr712umx4.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.210.45]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 05FD336E1282F; Tue, 10 May 2016 09:09:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.42]) by fr712umx4.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO-o) with ESMTP id u4A99Zsu003689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 May 2016 09:09:36 GMT Received: from FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.112]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u4A98fRT024551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 May 2016 11:09:34 +0200 Received: from [135.224.216.159] (135.239.27.38) by FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.112) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Tue, 10 May 2016 11:07:08 +0200 Message-ID: <5731A4B6.7050204@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 11:07:02 +0200 From: Martin Vigoureux User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: , Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.38] Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker rights for the Shepherd Role ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 09:09:39 -0000 Hello, in BESS we are starting to systematically ask for volunteers to shepherd documents we last call. But for them to be autonomous, and to also experiment the tools/datatracker, I was wondering if rights could be given to them (in the same way as for Secretaries, Delegates, ... in datatracker.ietf.org/wg/wg-name/edit/) but which would only apply to the document(s) that they shepherd. Thoughts? Thanks -m From nobody Fri May 13 09:33:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DE112D5CF for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 09:32:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kZVpFeyD11iW for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 09:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE77912D5C5 for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 09:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-235-150-134-no105.tbcn.telia.com ([81.235.150.134]:53595 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1b1G1I-0006hC-TW; Fri, 13 May 2016 09:32:57 -0700 Message-ID: <573601B1.2020208@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 18:32:49 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cullen Jennings References: <2C20BCF7-4F65-4D9C-BC40-A14E0DE89AA5@iii.ca> In-Reply-To: <2C20BCF7-4F65-4D9C-BC40-A14E0DE89AA5@iii.ca> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1TnEnkaAd15WXgaeQbAT1HDHakJm5lDMk" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.235.150.134 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, fluffy@iii.ca X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.14.01 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Henrik Levkowetz List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 16:32:59 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --1TnEnkaAd15WXgaeQbAT1HDHakJm5lDMk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Cullen, On 2016-05-09 21:41, Cullen Jennings wrote: >=20 > For *years* idnits has been giving me warning like=20 >=20 > -- The document date (May 9, 2016) is 152 days in the past. Is this > intentional? >=20 > Am I doing something wrong? Any plans to fix? I can't reproduce that here. I just tried the current idnits (2.14.01) with your draft draft-jennings-stir-rtcweb-identity-00.txt, and for me it says, quite correctly, =2E.. -- The document date (May 9, 2016) is 4 days in the past. Is this intentional? =2E.. Are you running idnits locally? If so, which versions of gawk/awk/nawk do you have, and on which OS are you running? Please respond directly, not to the list. Regards, Henrik --1TnEnkaAd15WXgaeQbAT1HDHakJm5lDMk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXNgGxAAoJEE6bV0uPuxcaGiEP/0PVSp+PWrxzWTX2M5BU1hfL HiMEWg1OtdkH3yBdcW34ni2IdvLW/1gYo6jWcSP3jQk6Z62uU8Bz9nio9nP3eQU8 nQjsmdWIZZLGFWgyFUDwveggu7eCXZz6mi7N2vaEFxrc+r1C/5NLJOlU+2WomwzI /V5Vk2HHtlR7Tuij82Qvn/cUbayxdwBpKfvZgr8SkpGPEp2AkGg9LnyW8m0RTanQ fxK4t3UCyJVhZ1WLHJTE8HnHDKJvW6VHCpahL/2H+ul/TGEwkX9WtF5VptydPlsT /wd/81JEPPKZE7d0x0G+hEj9ZYkDnPINy5JZ7R0ngJwohYwhLKQ2QiP3iR92I495 3gLrKIhICmcUQmU38MXnwvZmQ6oz7tVYgzH5gVbrLc8VW9CWetSMQq+SDBsTPRg2 +RLKlVwyLpYjd7xpMrPuV3e/OwlhWK/7ovbd2DR66K+A2nkpTbWPjntWY11uQ0bv zGn31upAyJRRtb35/ujMajRfDIqfz9qsipxLIyaWrjQXp7eSbyXrmiFchK89mG9G NX6z/cVeXrr1gRHskUU9dyJiyXi2NpMRwGdXMz0irtZch17IbOYJdhPGWo77+YAn EwxnjLFcVgiIsz8rZ7aBlveZdnjhPYti7fq6/I3zvVIt2j7KQRyn41bsKwbnMAgd OiBKlaIEzIfd0c+ISJUR =zv37 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1TnEnkaAd15WXgaeQbAT1HDHakJm5lDMk-- From nobody Fri May 13 11:24:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A930E12D67F for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 11:24:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b2ZrPB-ahvYf for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 11:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BFBD12D681 for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 11:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D8A203BC; Fri, 13 May 2016 14:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B67A638BE; Fri, 13 May 2016 14:24:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: Ole Troan Subject: [Tools-discuss] document history X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 18:24:43 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Considering: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis/history/ can the tools be told that draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis replaces rfc2460 (via draft-hinden-6man...) , such that a diff against the original is trivial to ask for? -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVzYb3oCLcPvd0N1lAQKM3gf8CifcT0tpVL1fx6tTIwgCjknMHUt+zt8s QUzawVBuHbvvIjRLokeZI+21+DXXBztbtbgF62vy4/KJG2a97pkmDtu9kc4zpIdG COxK8gTooDoW/MT7EQiYSc5J9gTmrIwh7iSE0mFHLNZlCG4rxjf+Llt9pz3MwTLt ZceXhH0ZOb+gW05NuIlxgf9r9qAQBEIfrru1LW6sqycwGEoa5htQR+G2yuuOp0oi gifLwyN7xnDP9slxS7eorlaRQeoCkxjFWzv2WcfZcHGavWd4QqFZv9ZlhExp+mMR /nt+MEeGWszTpUhprvQQ+PjLRTeOSGUzpSwtVe8hXIVP3xL42m1l/w== =EVoa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Fri May 13 11:55:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4720812D093 for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 11:55:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gYLpL7M9Vm1k for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 11:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A5EB12B04A for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 11:55:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=733; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1463165748; x=1464375348; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=e6mO15sEWyeRb2//zHnZwEVdqd8COTgkGkOVuZuo928=; b=CgGp1tHu6ZH7xb0JL5SwzNxxZQdUO1rNdYJUXPXOEM9Ue+KvvZmftrYv mWZ3KpiEXfoOi5wf6JUa/4I9pKfuPY7ncqsT3ZqpQXl84X5WGa43durjf eWPxhgOKtSk8cniZ6F8IAM3z+tI4O6R1+PYrtfF2uB9BeSHjyKwytLdI/ M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CqBACWIjZX/xbLJq1egw1/vFokhW0Cg?= =?us-ascii?q?XkBAQEBAQFmJ4RDAQEDATo/BQsLRlcGiDoIAQ3CJQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBARcFiBsIgk+EP4MrghIcAQSYJ4V+iCCBU41Gj0FiggYbgU2JRgEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,614,1454976000"; d="scan'208";a="637454213" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 13 May 2016 18:55:45 +0000 Received: from h.hanazo.no ([10.61.144.181]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u4DItjuB015748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 May 2016 18:55:45 GMT Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by h.hanazo.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F1216796E0; Fri, 13 May 2016 20:55:47 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: otroan@cisco.com In-Reply-To: <20968.1463163873@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 20:55:47 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <55078570-BAE1-44F8-BF36-48F993173B3F@cisco.com> References: <20968.1463163873@obiwan.sandelman.ca> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] document history X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 18:55:50 -0000 > Considering: > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis/history/ >=20 > can the tools be told that draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis replaces rfc2460 = (via > draft-hinden-6man...) , such that a diff against the original is = trivial to ask for? It would indeed be a very useful feature to have. I did try to add that draft-hinden replaces RFC2460, but I got "A draft = can't replace an RFC". We did plan for this situation though, so the first draft-hinden = revision is an exact copy of xmlyfied RFC2460. This should we give the complete set of changes: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Ddraft-hinden-6man-rfc2460bis-00&url2=3D= draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis-04 Best regards, Ole From nobody Fri May 13 12:35:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB5112D100 for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 12:35:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.917 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.917 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e50nQlSVasTK for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 12:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx144.netapp.com (mx144.netapp.com [216.240.21.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3FD912B036 for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 12:35:08 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,615,1455004800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="116142865" Received: from hioexcmbx04-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.122.105.37]) by mx144-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 13 May 2016 12:34:50 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) by hioexcmbx04-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.37) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1156.6; Fri, 13 May 2016 12:34:47 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([::1]) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com ([fe80::7db0:a96:265e:db5e%21]) with mapi id 15.00.1156.000; Fri, 13 May 2016 12:34:47 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: "otroan@cisco.com" Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] document history Thread-Index: AQHRrUS5OKicsJBTVUaVZFMg9vYrUJ+3rO2AgAAK5wA= Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 19:34:47 +0000 Message-ID: <4E7B39AD-94E3-46CA-BA59-81EC29DF4512@netapp.com> References: <20968.1463163873@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <55078570-BAE1-44F8-BF36-48F993173B3F@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <55078570-BAE1-44F8-BF36-48F993173B3F@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.120.60.37] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_655A3C06-170B-4335-BE9C-35BAFE40E011"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Michael Richardson , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] document history X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 19:35:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_655A3C06-170B-4335-BE9C-35BAFE40E011 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The chairs can mark drafts as replacing one another in the datatracker, = and then such a diff becomes available (I think). > On 2016-05-13, at 20:55, otroan@cisco.com wrote: >=20 >> Considering: >> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis/history/ >>=20 >> can the tools be told that draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis replaces = rfc2460 (via >> draft-hinden-6man...) , such that a diff against the original is = trivial to ask for? >=20 > It would indeed be a very useful feature to have. > I did try to add that draft-hinden replaces RFC2460, but I got "A = draft can't replace an RFC". >=20 > We did plan for this situation though, so the first draft-hinden = revision is an exact copy of xmlyfied RFC2460. >=20 > This should we give the complete set of changes: > = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Ddraft-hinden-6man-rfc2460bis-00&url2=3D= draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis-04 >=20 > Best regards, > Ole >=20 >=20 > -- > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_655A3C06-170B-4335-BE9C-35BAFE40E011 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXNixZAAoJEFS1wwm/cMFXbs8QALCkGFxg7Aqs1UTX9iFqlLaQ fc+x4ENmDsETz7XlyegpOyTs86bUvfSAOnutGffLMfraLylaUAqBj3hH3ziQIdgN EqE4Ali6eLIevfWEBA3RqObpClk1zFdUqmA1W2Zhgb0KzXTsgSOlBbNEgCsyIWST RrwS4ffsO0k+f8DtPS/t3CsgUCPDsQYQvM9Hk8AfkoZggkStL9zzan73f36i4DWK caFlQiLn6vwjyMZAcsuDoWs6iRXXUOKqlpmoI5QHUA7NEker5dtKZFH/X7qHVO4i rVXjOx/uUZjV0YEgiDOdxAi+G3O6HEEqa/GK9pfkdINauiFpGH38PLR3EVFFoT4n INMeY1mIR71z3Ucuhl6ashfOiHAmznKy8+DLCOG+vt2u2efbtigNfLXdl+LUF3Xi mNKfPPjULGDJwAYO4cQLm2ZBBjv53AybmVERrOL4g0e0NjyCW623dKOu48MvU1oq jjZPX0xADe4Qp3MuwkUw4zigGVWgTk0MNHWTz4IavAYfw+TYSM9iDvutG3VAUMV2 qqky5+Ief1aERPuAUjjlyQLY8jwLVHz2EDw6J9QdgjK0NLQc/OtzQO5NxaoG2mUf 1oIfrzJv6ATnEylONet0a6Xt/578u3E9nP7ONJqQCUTSuzmups8B3wviYvspu1+u Dfh1u/HiR6ZvpCC+VRnk =nb6g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_655A3C06-170B-4335-BE9C-35BAFE40E011-- From nobody Fri May 13 13:55:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FE712D0AC for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 13:55:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gaqlzaa1Mqbo for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 13:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EA0B12D183 for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 13:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049459.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049459.ppops.net-00191d01. 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Fri, 13 May 2016 16:55:04 -0400 From: "HANSEN, TONY L" To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] document history Thread-Index: AQHRrUS5OKicsJBTVUaVZFMg9vYrUJ+3rO2AgAAK5wD//6ETgA== Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 20:55:03 +0000 Message-ID: <13C34359-574C-4C2D-BFE5-884C12405381@att.com> References: <20968.1463163873@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <55078570-BAE1-44F8-BF36-48F993173B3F@cisco.com> <4E7B39AD-94E3-46CA-BA59-81EC29DF4512@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <4E7B39AD-94E3-46CA-BA59-81EC29DF4512@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.110.241.48] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <5055293FFE5BE1448089703C0456FBBF@LOCAL> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2016-05-13_08:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_policy_notspam policy=outbound_policy score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1604210000 definitions=main-1605130274 Archived-At: Cc: Henrik Levkowetz Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] document history X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 20:55:38 -0000 T24gNS8xMy8xNiwgMzozNCBQTSwgIlRvb2xzLWRpc2N1c3Mgb24gYmVoYWxmIG9mIEVnZ2VydCwg TGFycyIgPHRvb2xzLWRpc2N1c3MtYm91bmNlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyBvbiBiZWhhbGYgb2YgbGFyc0Bu ZXRhcHAuY29tPiB3cm90ZToNCg0KDQo+VGhlIGNoYWlycyBjYW4gbWFyayBkcmFmdHMgYXMgcmVw bGFjaW5nIG9uZSBhbm90aGVyIGluIHRoZSBkYXRhdHJhY2tlciwgYW5kIHRoZW4gc3VjaCBhIGRp ZmYgYmVjb21lcyBhdmFpbGFibGUgKEkgdGhpbmspLg0KPg0KPj4gT24gMjAxNi0wNS0xMywgYXQg MjA6NTUsIG90cm9hbkBjaXNjby5jb20gd3JvdGU6DQo+PiANCj4+PiBDb25zaWRlcmluZzoNCj4+ PiAgICAgICBodHRwczovL2RhdGF0cmFja2VyLmlldGYub3JnL2RvYy9kcmFmdC1pZXRmLTZtYW4t cmZjMjQ2MGJpcy9oaXN0b3J5Lw0KPj4+IA0KPj4+IGNhbiB0aGUgdG9vbHMgYmUgdG9sZCB0aGF0 IGRyYWZ0LWlldGYtNm1hbi1yZmMyNDYwYmlzIHJlcGxhY2VzIHJmYzI0NjAgKHZpYQ0KPj4+IGRy YWZ0LWhpbmRlbi02bWFuLi4uKSAsIHN1Y2ggdGhhdCBhIGRpZmYgYWdhaW5zdCB0aGUgb3JpZ2lu YWwgaXMgdHJpdmlhbCB0byBhc2sgZm9yPw0KPj4gDQo+PiBJdCB3b3VsZCBpbmRlZWQgYmUgYSB2 ZXJ5IHVzZWZ1bCBmZWF0dXJlIHRvIGhhdmUuDQo+PiBJIGRpZCB0cnkgdG8gYWRkIHRoYXQgZHJh ZnQtaGluZGVuIHJlcGxhY2VzIFJGQzI0NjAsIGJ1dCBJIGdvdCAiQSBkcmFmdCBjYW4ndCByZXBs YWNlIGFuIFJGQyIuDQo+PiANCj4+IFdlIGRpZCBwbGFuIGZvciB0aGlzIHNpdHVhdGlvbiB0aG91 Z2gsIHNvIHRoZSBmaXJzdCBkcmFmdC1oaW5kZW4gcmV2aXNpb24gaXMgYW4gZXhhY3QgY29weSBv ZiB4bWx5ZmllZCBSRkMyNDYwLg0KPj4gDQo+PiBUaGlzIHNob3VsZCB3ZSBnaXZlIHRoZSBjb21w bGV0ZSBzZXQgb2YgY2hhbmdlczoNCj4+IGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlldGYub3JnL3JmY2RpZmY/dXJs MT1kcmFmdC1oaW5kZW4tNm1hbi1yZmMyNDYwYmlzLTAwJnVybDI9ZHJhZnQtaWV0Zi02bWFuLXJm YzI0NjBiaXMtMDQNCg0KUmZjZGlmZiByZWNvZ25pemVzIHRoaW5ncyBqdXN0IGZpbmUsIHNvIGlm IHlvdSB1c2UgdGhpcyBsaW5rLCB5b3UnbGwgZ2V0IHdoYXQgeW91IHdhbnQuDQoNCmh0dHBzOi8v d3d3LmlldGYub3JnL3JmY2RpZmY/dXJsMT1yZmMyNDYwJnVybDI9ZHJhZnQtaWV0Zi02bWFuLXJm YzI0NjBiaXMtMDQNCg0KDQpUaGUgdG9vbHMgdmVyc2lvbiBvZiByZmNtYXJrdXAgcmVjb2duaXpl cyB0aGUgc2l0dWF0aW9uIG9mIGEgZHJhZnQgb2Jzb2xldGluZyBhbiBSRkMgYW5kIHdoZW4gc2hv d2luZyB0aGUgLTAwLCB0aGUgImRpZmYiIGxpbmtzIGNvbXBhcmUgYWdhaW5zdCB0aGUgUkZDLg0K DQpTbyB0aGUgZGlzY29ubmVjdCBpcyBzdHJpY3RseSBvbiB0aGUgSGlzdG9yeSBwYWdlLCB3aGlj aCBjb3VsZCBzaW1pbGFybHkgYWRkIHRoZSBSRkMgdG8gdGhlIGxpc3Qgb2YgZG9jdW1lbnRzIGFn YWluc3Qgd2hpY2ggeW91IGNhbiBkbyBhIGRpZmYuDQoNClRoaXMgc291bmRzIGxpa2UgYSB1c2Vm dWwgZW5oYW5jZW1lbnQgdG8gdGhlIGRhdGF0cmFja2VyIGFuZCB3b3VsZCBtYWtlIGEgZ3JlYXQg Q29kZSBTcHJpbnQgcHJvamVjdC4NCg0KCVRvbnkNCg0KDQo= From nobody Fri May 13 13:59:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963BC12D64B for ; 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Fri, 13 May 2016 16:59:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: otroan@cisco.com In-Reply-To: <55078570-BAE1-44F8-BF36-48F993173B3F@cisco.com> References: <20968.1463163873@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <55078570-BAE1-44F8-BF36-48F993173B3F@cisco.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] document history X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 20:59:28 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain otroan@cisco.com wrote: > We did plan for this situation though, so the first draft-hinden > revision is an exact copy of xmlyfied RFC2460. Right! > This should we give the complete set of changes: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-hinden-6man-rfc2460bis-00&url2=draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis-04 Also, you can say: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=rfc2460&url2=draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis-04 I found up by experimentation. Turns out the diff I wanted to share isn't in -04, is just planned for -05 :-) -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVzZAJYCLcPvd0N1lAQK9tQgAopkdVzzEdomYabeLNFl4Kn4EMw01AzEL TXe9xTtD40/mkqWtkJMBkXWPNfUYPBQk3QX4+g98+u37gTGw+PxRQOQRiqVoz2k8 s93Y/wIdu+c+s/k3/RiXDUOkrF9g+DeBUU97Zczq9ZqQfDUGO1wkKzV+0L1A1C0j N/LvlOyja7tWsILy1F/Gx6/++uTLCSv5St5HkUfwS9EvhQheq8PoQO62r356xYBf +YzVK+D6eGAJNWf2OGRHqKC00qMlsdTraErfEZ2S5fNZPcv1A7uwv13EipE1KsbC 0jAhcPiVbmy+UFH9qAennsqZnoD9UzMPx09SBQYp58z7IzRIFJmR2A== =H3t/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Fri May 13 14:00:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C1312D582 for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 14:00:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jiezj3YwvLvg for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 14:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B234612D183 for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 14:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EA8203BC; Fri, 13 May 2016 17:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C58638BE; Fri, 13 May 2016 17:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "Eggert\, Lars" In-Reply-To: <4E7B39AD-94E3-46CA-BA59-81EC29DF4512@netapp.com> References: <20968.1463163873@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <55078570-BAE1-44F8-BF36-48F993173B3F@cisco.com> <4E7B39AD-94E3-46CA-BA59-81EC29DF4512@netapp.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: "otroan@cisco.com" , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] document history X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 21:00:26 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Eggert, Lars wrote: > The chairs can mark drafts as replacing one another in the datatracker, > and then such a diff becomes available (I think). Yes, but they (Ole and Bob in this case) can't mark a draft a replacing an RFC... which Ole planned for. >> It would indeed be a very useful feature to have. I did try to add >> that draft-hinden replaces RFC2460, but I got "A draft can't replace >> an RFC". >> >> We did plan for this situation though, so the first draft-hinden >> revision is an exact copy of xmlyfied RFC2460. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVzZAZICLcPvd0N1lAQKLmAf7BRn4jrPcuqj8ZDKErSR+BPzPPZINUx6y t3QI/CnevEGdhPBL/VXtMLYy2nk2f5A21SsY4EizqRYchnWXkfKGRJB3Ms+7l1kB xHorvYvfyClqil4pmirsPCHxd3MHiWd3dX71ZVIpIVgCs1t0dA6GDhHAIkJK6Oxc TYpcX1eOE/ZBe4jRfXp2kHDl7EAzggdLY6QXR3di2gS0TFeFJs+MxkQzEwuP5rzh tLkJVDBFT8ygTlP/wUPfbOuFzzdH9SRF+h6v4zRyo+qQnTfCHjTN9HbaQ7ETPikF i0xjpQyiCylWtk6SA+aGYfEs/g1N0YXhL1MxBRWHUHJCDxwRPf+1xg== =jasr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Fri May 13 14:00:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E29712D567 for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 14:00:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cniy513a0ATe for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 14:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FEE712D183 for ; Fri, 13 May 2016 14:00:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=209; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1463173250; x=1464382850; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=A+/Un8toxp+QiF+6UFyF4PhQgheBD8MoTPvhgy/em58=; b=SAOjbTWgqJrvOOjcSUrTFkzXP2NQhWg4nikLbbofTPogxraBhJxV82/C g8ZJMqyp18e2mkuqdWFVrCYNfIEE7E12942+THCZ2+adY8GcRT2WCjRHO Sqmeb/SF+cTQIBbHxmQz0CJX4CxhvvYi+KQIYjp1b54ZL7Wjoa6vx90ww c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CqBAD0PjZX/xbLJq1egw1/vFokhW0Cg?= =?us-ascii?q?XkBAQEBAQFmJ4RDAQEDATo/BQsLRlcGiDoIAQ3CUAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBARcFiBuCV4Q/gyuCEhwBBJgnjh6BUwGNRY9BYoNuiHIBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,615,1454976000"; d="scan'208";a="637455149" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 13 May 2016 21:00:48 +0000 Received: from h.hanazo.no ([10.61.144.181]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u4DL0mMJ006884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 May 2016 21:00:48 GMT Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by h.hanazo.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DA2167B978; Fri, 13 May 2016 23:00:50 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: otroan@cisco.com In-Reply-To: <23811.1463173163@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 23:00:50 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <10C179FC-E105-45E2-92A4-0A0A27A24EB2@cisco.com> References: <20968.1463163873@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <55078570-BAE1-44F8-BF36-48F993173B3F@cisco.com> <23811.1463173163@obiwan.sandelman.ca> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] document history X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 21:00:52 -0000 > Also, you can say: >=20 > = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Drfc2460&url2=3Ddraft-ietf-6man-rfc2460= bis-04 >=20 > I found up by experimentation. oh that's nice! cool. ;-) Best regards, Ole From nobody Wed May 18 18:00:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F97212D517 for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 18:00:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.727 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.727 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mn11VB2Gpysx for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 18:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B6A612B068 for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 18:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB708BE2C for ; Thu, 19 May 2016 02:00:10 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w5f-1_s9JjnS for ; Thu, 19 May 2016 02:00:09 +0100 (IST) Received: from [10.87.48.75] (95-45-153-252-dynamic.agg2.phb.bdt-fng.eircom.net [95.45.153.252]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0946CBDF9 for ; Thu, 19 May 2016 02:00:09 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1463619609; bh=g8cHVHW4dE1MXrrUD6pIW5HAOvbMkEj2JoQbpa2zNzw=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=igJTvoSTwwabMD4LejU8dGvOFEJ/0iqMPQ9Q/zCT5STYnuR9iLf4FaTHrBV5Hp8hl gOwCf3sFTRrO6JMgRHYXLGzWbWLCfjZSkVGGFQVEj+rlKqy6rtFxwi5xFBCFC29+VY tPsPGBVjACr4QA8bgHUaSJ1ZnxruprDSWzLkyJcY= To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: <573D1018.8060705@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 02:00:08 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms030406070602010800060004" Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] comment from someone using the I-D submission tool for the 1st time X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 01:00:13 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030406070602010800060004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, A previously inactive (with the tools) co-author on one of my documents had to take over submission of a final version. I asked him for any comments as a first time user of that. He said: " While I'm writing about tools: The draft submission tool has a field "replaces", which tripped me up because I assumed that what I was uploading was replacing the earlier version. Apparently a draft does not replace itself, or even an earlier version of itself... a few words on the form ("earlier versions of the draft will be automatically replaced and should not be listed here") or some logic in the form handler to silently remove "replaces itself" indications would avoid some confused "it says there's an error, but everything looks fine to me" moments. " So I'm just passing that on to you. I can see what he means though, our semantics for replaced-by is a bit special and assumes some insider knowledge. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IETF IMAP suggestions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 17:39:38 -0000 On 5/23/2016 11:27 AM, George, Wes wrote: > First, it may be worth breaking up the folders so that the current > folder named after the mailing list only contains the last {12, 18, 24, > whatever} months of list mail, and then an archive folder that is named > [mailing-list]-archive or similar, where all messages older than the > above age are moved, or a default that only provides the last 12 months > of messages for IMAP sync or something. I also had posted a note about this issue sometime back, but didn't post a suggested fix. I think the above is nicely simple and sufficient. It accommodates the problem of overly-large list folders for daily use, while still supplying the benefits of IMAP access to the older history of messages. > Second, while a junk email box exists for those clients that expect one, > it's doesn't appear to be writable or tied to my account, and thus I'm > getting repeated and persistent Permission Denied errors when my client > tries to move messages into the junk box. I'm not sure if there's a > better solution to this Turn off junk processing for your clients use of the IETF IMAP account. But there's also a persistent error message due to no Inbox. I know that folk know about this. I'm unclear why it can't be solved by manually creating an empty inbox at the site. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Tue May 24 11:22:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3AE12D98F for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:22:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.108 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.108 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0mSdC37UaKKt for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdcipgw01.twcable.com (unknown [165.237.91.110]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F04C12D98E for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:22:05 -0700 (PDT) X-SENDER-IP: 10.64.163.146 X-SENDER-REPUTATION: None X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.26,360,1459828800"; 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Tue, 24 May 2016 12:12:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l0dGp2bC9rnd for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 12:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simon.songbird.com (unknown [72.52.113.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5E8012D9D6 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 12:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.168] (76-218-8-128.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.8.128]) (authenticated bits=0) by simon.songbird.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id u4OJCTgH009826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 24 May 2016 12:12:29 -0700 To: "George, Wes" , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" References: <9341cdaa-30b3-11ab-8df3-0e03e4c4fa99@bbiw.net> From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 12:11:40 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IETF IMAP suggestions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 19:12:28 -0000 On 5/24/2016 11:22 AM, George, Wes wrote: >> >Turn off junk processing for your clients use of the IETF IMAP account. > WG] that was my first thought as well, but it appears that not all mail > clients can toggle junk processing selectively/per account and it's either > on for all accounts or off for all of them. I concede that some amount of > this is "doc it hurts when I do this..." based on client limitations, so > it may be that there's no worthwhile fix here, but wanted to make sure > folk were aware. If an email client does not permit use of IMAP in a mode that works well with enterprise archives -- that is, message stores that the client needs to treat as static and the responsibility of others -- there's really nothing that can be done. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net