From nobody Sat Sep 3 03:59:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0319712B01E for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2016 03:59:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=andreasschulze.de Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ogW_wrZG5c5s for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2016 03:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.somaf.de (mail.somaf.de [IPv6:2001:a60:f0b4:e503:2cdb:beff:feaa:880b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93491127071 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2016 03:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:a60:f0b4:e502::152] (dimos.somaf.de [IPv6:2001:a60:f0b4:e502::152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: sca@andreasschulze.de) by mail.somaf.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3sRCgS6FKKzDdn for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2016 12:59:48 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=andreasschulze.de; s=ybz; t=1472900388; bh=tjNAZ32OYjpXEMGRIVQ18Xm5wZlAIhV6SlBBqmmCJVU=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=CFU0ck2gUwP4drU6xnujrPrdRJAqGeuJ/yHbOlW2efn0I1jBzmL9jP8FG21iD+YbA kQRJP4BJAnfkko5KmFW6Wkdf0vwl7HgqagsDMalmL7K6PGj2tPquOFwxs4g1KyXUiV VumZptOoTuXip4Y49DIFbgr4NeIMMLg6KRadHy6bUtsAZvhrH3VO90ZsoUar7gBGvV wZje0kEoCawnnNy7lOeuR/48GuoRlL5GhE8bItpcFuruYKGxYUWHkQw1fA29UDK162 Obmr76X3y6jMhvegjCE7oy2WlgND8DbDZgaWUgPaTifLCndbdDb/brL2CHjiURZpfb R+9C7HGkwOD3A== To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: "A. Schulze" Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 12:58:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] imaps access to mailarchive.ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2016 10:59:54 -0000 Hello, today I tried to access mailarchive.ietf.org via anonymous imaps. I found the server does not deliver the intermediate certificate "Starfield Secure Certificate Authority - G2" which is required to validate the chain. 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Thu, 8 Sep 2016 17:36:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: Host 50-1-99-230.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.99.230] claimed to be [10.32.60.139] From: "Paul Hoffman" To: "Tools Team Discussion" Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 17:36:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.4r5234) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Humorous off-by-one error on the NomCom page X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 00:36:05 -0000 See . --Paul Hoffman From nobody Thu Sep 8 17:40:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E903912B290 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2016 17:40:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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boundary=001a11411e8a07254c053c086307 Archived-At: Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Humorous off-by-one error on the NomCom page X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 00:40:06 -0000 --001a11411e8a07254c053c086307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Nice! :) On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > See . > > --Paul Hoffman > > -- > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ > ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > --001a11411e8a07254c053c086307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nice! :)

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffm= an@vpnc.org> wrote:
See <= ;https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2016/fee= dback/>.

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([2406:e007:53e2:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bl10sm286525pab.46.2016.09.13.13.16.57 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Sep 2016 13:16:58 -0700 (PDT) To: Tools Team Discussion From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <5ccb82ed-0131-7008-2d92-2b3ba31913b2@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:16:59 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Bizarre bug in 1id-index.txt when author's email is missing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:17:02 -0000 Something on the xml2rfc list caused me to look at https://www.ietf.org/id/1id-index.txt for the first time in years. And in the version generated at 2016-09-13 19:05:22 UTC I found this extraordinary entry: "First-hop router selection by hosts in a multi-prefix network", Jerome Marcon, Brian Carpenter, 2016-08-24, If you look at that draft, you will see that its authors are Fred Baker and Brian Carpenter. You will find about 10 drafts with Jerome Marcon listed as an author. He is *not* an author of most of them. In each case I checked, the author who has been replaced by Jerome Marcon has no email address included in the draft. Quite why he therefore becomes the default author beats me :-). (I haven't sent a ticket to IETF-action for this one yet.) Regards Brian From nobody Wed Sep 14 01:06:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE91D12B5BE for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:06:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.429 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.429 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.508, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zPB9BxJ4JDkm for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx144.netapp.com (mx144.netapp.com [216.240.21.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57CE612B5AF for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:06:12 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.30,333,1470726000"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="143974434" Received: from hioexcmbx05-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.122.105.38]) by mx144-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 14 Sep 2016 01:05:52 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) by hioexcmbx05-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.38) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:05:53 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([::1]) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com ([fe80::4ca2:22d:a2f1:881b%21]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:05:52 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Tools Team Discussion Thread-Topic: Datatracker slowness? Thread-Index: AQHSDl7P5O78m44XiUGlHd/pQyQLoA== Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:05:51 +0000 Message-ID: <7800A274-804B-4477-A018-7A98279DE45E@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.120.60.37] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_875CCAA9-0670-4A64-B899-F54CD8FC2A80"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker slowness? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:06:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_875CCAA9-0670-4A64-B899-F54CD8FC2A80 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, anyone else seeing issues with the datatracker at the moment? I'm trying = to upload an ID revision, and get "Gateway Timeout. The gateway did not = receive a timely response from the upstream server or application." = which looks like a CDN error. Lars --Apple-Mail=_875CCAA9-0670-4A64-B899-F54CD8FC2A80 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJX2QTgAAoJEFS1wwm/cMFXdqYP/3ewcUImqf7d4kO/DufLOWPH LkujWEXp/8clxQku5ZULEhXPKcgO8GjtUZdXGmM8E4YDcxY4ZJoOGwV3R/icwaBC yUAWpBKXlUG+v4Jka+28ZZ7R28rONSVXDRNvkN67mo82kUunAP/PdmgAr5zEQM8P MT4t3goWcWnvoCc5OpZA7PZS2X+K900ZhYTlVqTt6jf0vpTBuXKJplmvKr2ox0UP qrJFFl9e6ZEVHgtS7b7OjMvSlmj27HLnBLBKrITG4rSYGOfSdfSmC6KFY0Bk70bh S/LZjDDhxsRGAi9wD4wQTZaIIvjIvohDL5RoU/fesCFG+Y9ElwN1ymmhOsYOdO4Y E5CE3/Fuby/oCr2q6Dgsl7je/FRfbJWCk+U52TkmPTl0Ddy9lAmPQZJM0SylMwtu ne3z4Pw6CE2KbGqnlxhb6EgtX6FgpoPXRGQ1co1msuSMT0mC9FT6wkQYC9vv7y7m wJkxqH6/mTL6Yi11Jfwb0+3c9Sk36PHos5/sKUnkBKAtPjvjgZt/2oDj7yRjK7JM P/6Iqn8xzlA2n/iErqsSViW1UdteCamDrVCK3sUhpvy+d60Vq1u8tPrpGTyIWp/e fJlnk9hMoCa2l+GFuyM9RwY3O7PmZ2wtub37osMkMWOJ/FqGlAVpKEY89J3Gctmf /KBMuLSikm9JZAyM16KN =hx7G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_875CCAA9-0670-4A64-B899-F54CD8FC2A80-- From nobody Wed Sep 14 01:44:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93BD12B614 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:43:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LLTw0w14sjDV for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0F7812B613 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-235-150-134-no105.tbcn.telia.com ([81.235.150.134]:57288 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1bk5mf-00031n-9b; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:43:14 -0700 Message-ID: <57D90D90.5060608@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:42:56 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eggert, Lars" , Tools Team Discussion References: <7800A274-804B-4477-A018-7A98279DE45E@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <7800A274-804B-4477-A018-7A98279DE45E@netapp.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uIEQmg1vamHs8qsqXN65pnTBbjn8FOWWV" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.235.150.134 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, lars@netapp.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:44:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker slowness? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:43:21 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --uIEQmg1vamHs8qsqXN65pnTBbjn8FOWWV Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060004010800050200080700" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060004010800050200080700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-09-14 10:05, Eggert, Lars wrote: > Hi, >=20 > anyone else seeing issues with the datatracker at the moment? I'm > trying to upload an ID revision, and get "Gateway Timeout. The > gateway did not receive a timely response from the upstream server or > application." which looks like a CDN error. Not at the moment, no -- actually not from any of the servers I'm graphing datatracker response time from. I have however seen some anomalous response times from other servers on the US west coast, and the www.ietf.org site is quite slow from one of the tools servers, and has been so for about 2 hours; see attached graph. Times on the graph is EDT. 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tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8sHpTtBLwEOL for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE9C712B20A for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-235-150-134-no105.tbcn.telia.com ([81.235.150.134]:57342 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1bk5uh-0003lu-P1; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:51:31 -0700 Message-ID: <57D90F88.2020705@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:51:20 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eggert, Lars" , Tools Team Discussion References: <7800A274-804B-4477-A018-7A98279DE45E@netapp.com> <57D90D90.5060608@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <57D90D90.5060608@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7UKp63fXFPtNvBfIxCGLd2T8Ce0x48bIv" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.235.150.134 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, lars@netapp.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker slowness? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:51:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --7UKp63fXFPtNvBfIxCGLd2T8Ce0x48bIv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-09-14 10:42, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 2016-09-14 10:05, Eggert, Lars wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> anyone else seeing issues with the datatracker at the moment? I'm >> trying to upload an ID revision, and get "Gateway Timeout. The >> gateway did not receive a timely response from the upstream server or >> application." which looks like a CDN error. >=20 > Not at the moment, no -- actually not from any of the servers I'm > graphing datatracker response time from. I have however seen some > anomalous response times from other servers on the US west coast, and > the www.ietf.org site is quite slow from one of the tools servers, > and has been so for about 2 hours; see attached graph. Times on > the graph is EDT. I should have mentioned that the www.ietf.org slowness will affect static resources used by the datatracker (they are served by CDN, from www.ietf.org) but those have a very large max-age, so will probably be available from local cache if you've visited the site recently. No URLs from datatracker.ietf.org should be served via CDN. Henrik --7UKp63fXFPtNvBfIxCGLd2T8Ce0x48bIv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJX2Q+JAAoJEE6bV0uPuxcaIdEP/19TGd6eT0Oq4Q3PjUerc/BN BXXD53VmzF0rRhNdGV0ZJOA/4pCXzaeYiQaIfVbzsLKpTQCJRHhckFZcWn1Ol/v1 Ma0p4szAvjeD8iNpoOtCs4Bi6RUMO+nhs28HmLgHFHQxCznRFOpZKgXXJnywfI2o VODcVy6kcBrWNTO/I0E0ae5vKOX2haF52Lc9LEqVxaxtKgnhw8OutncUgdcrIs2z q8gf72h+RRsuVwOUCv7T17gRru7YpFHAxEXO99gIYxOwxqDng6HtRUq2/uo+WSWj 24/ZXHIT13kWUAP0FlLNte3dU6DWZZJXKPy/iBDoG+F+X7prpaJmlqClZE01HSFK YsukHobVL0UnvbB2Dq17E9rwiVpEJQH9goMJW/9FQQMSwVCIBIswhSqrP8qLi9bI CRjWspLlS2t50tMJ3ONLGL2LdLNLzsil9cRZK6I8TH6QkC07kwbwQCUVpQTw0CE+ pUNlEXoDZPKGCEvWKpC3Yq1D7Hjvw23KpTe4SK7ORuvTozo8d8EtcheGszC++ewF oLNKR21/7n0isixP5MDhEOIVq5Co86NZgwAJXGmAhWNXRrlmZ80YcAgpMV4LasLb HRh0vbV0w6TAUW05IP0y3s0YPJjKC9lnp38CwvIRKM/cU3ztEDr5yVrEJISm7hl7 OE+8t35SSecsHVXr6DD1 =MsQJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7UKp63fXFPtNvBfIxCGLd2T8Ce0x48bIv-- From nobody Wed Sep 14 01:53:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5A112B626 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:53:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GFdsWZaaXIku for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F30CE12B620 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-235-150-134-no105.tbcn.telia.com ([81.235.150.134]:57401 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1bk5wC-0003wR-Hr; Wed, 14 Sep 2016 01:53:04 -0700 Message-ID: <57D90FE5.2040803@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:52:53 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian E Carpenter , Tools Team Discussion References: <5ccb82ed-0131-7008-2d92-2b3ba31913b2@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5ccb82ed-0131-7008-2d92-2b3ba31913b2@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DAk1ePC82SSQmx9lUOvCn3tAccs2eruuF" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.235.150.134 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Bizarre bug in 1id-index.txt when author's email is missing X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:53:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --DAk1ePC82SSQmx9lUOvCn3tAccs2eruuF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Brian, On 2016-09-13 22:16, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Something on the xml2rfc list caused me to look at https://www.ietf.org= /id/1id-index.txt > for the first time in years. And in the version generated at 2016-09-13= 19:05:22 UTC > I found this extraordinary entry: >=20 > "First-hop router selection by hosts in a multi-prefix network", Jerom= e > Marcon, Brian Carpenter, 2016-08-24, > >=20 > If you look at that draft, you will see that its authors are > Fred Baker and Brian Carpenter. >=20 > You will find about 10 drafts with Jerome Marcon listed as an author. > He is *not* an author of most of them. >=20 > In each case I checked, the author who has been replaced by Jerome Marc= on > has no email address included in the draft. Quite why he therefore beco= mes > the default author beats me :-). Clearly a bug. I'll hunt it down and fix it later today. > (I haven't sent a ticket to IETF-action for this one yet.) Ack; I've got it. 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([2601:647:4d00:abf0:31a7:ab7c:1393:8eff]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f90sm1717887ioi.5.2016.09.14.08.42.36 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AA2FC7C7-9D1F-40A9-98E0-C1C7B47D4AD4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <7800A274-804B-4477-A018-7A98279DE45E@netapp.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:42:36 -0700 Message-Id: <3941F144-9B9A-4D58-9CED-C898E67636EE@gmail.com> References: <7800A274-804B-4477-A018-7A98279DE45E@netapp.com> To: "Eggert, Lars" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Datatracker slowness? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:01:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_AA2FC7C7-9D1F-40A9-98E0-C1C7B47D4AD4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I noticed slowness yesterday afternoon around 4pm PDT when doing idnits = checks and uploading two drafts. I didn=E2=80=99t get a gateway = timeout, but the first upload didn=E2=80=99t work. I attributed to = connectivity problems on my end, but maybe not. Bob > On Sep 14, 2016, at 1:05 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > anyone else seeing issues with the datatracker at the moment? I'm = trying to upload an ID revision, and get "Gateway Timeout. The gateway = did not receive a timely response from the upstream server or = application." which looks like a CDN error. >=20 > Lars > -- > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_AA2FC7C7-9D1F-40A9-98E0-C1C7B47D4AD4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJX2W/tAAoJEK7rdBF357uobS0H/jvLqQSHONiCL9yUBFq+p2v0 W3CiPH2zoY5jxEU9/8CwQX0elTOh2R347vt/JDGEhzPvSua7JaRGqYUh8GoQvNHx 5fwOWslALPWO/Hapdjwqk82Hdx1Oz8DUFxesgYgajkyNi9QGnIbORynkQSnYG6Fy jHHaJ4PwUGVQOh+jsoRIifRcgq7mU7t9E7RCR96WtrJTKeCNDSjeGBq+6xNUowom Nw4u7y+7C8yQr9NvcthXyMEu7369nWItt+511USMORBV7eVibaeXXW7IbARS4hdR wpmL6zHRitf6KL5ZMCq1nN3K9llU/LHuLREAg0v8QPaptCnGaJPKIlNrZJCJ5Ew= =xkBn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_AA2FC7C7-9D1F-40A9-98E0-C1C7B47D4AD4-- From nobody Sat Sep 24 06:07:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1854812BDFF for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 06:07:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fFRUJnCPM2Yu for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 06:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DE3712BDA9 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 06:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [75.83.2.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DE377509B6; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 09:07:29 -0400 (EDT) To: "rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org" From: Sean Leonard Message-ID: <94f240ac-67e5-e593-0b1e-f9f09a4d9218@seantek.com> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 06:09:11 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] RFC diff and patch for errata X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 13:07:34 -0000 The topic of errata management has come up in recent weeks. I was wondering if "RFC diff and patch" for errata would be seen as a=20 useful thing. Specifically, errata could be uploaded and saved with an=20 additional patch file, that is the output of the industry standard diff=20 -u. This would be especially helpful, for example, for correcting errors = in normative code or notation such as ASN.1, ABNF, XML, YANG, etc. The main issue with the plain text format is that if not managed=20 "judiciously", a patch could cause more than 56 lines (or 58 lines) to=20 appear on a page. I assume that it is very undesirable to shift the=20 pagination boundaries due to an errata change, so something else would=20 have to give for errata that can't be corrected without changes to the=20 line count. But I think that 99% of errata can be handled without=20 changes to the line count. The xml2rfc format has other issues, namely the lack of a diff/patch=20 tool for XML that rises to the level of "industry standard" akin to diff = -u. But tools exist. Regards, Sean From nobody Tue Sep 27 13:40:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4D412B4C4 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 13:40:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.217 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.217 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.316, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J4w14iub5SwY for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 13:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BB5312B4CD for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 13:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F402009E for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78516392D for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:40:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] experiences today with JITSI X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 20:40:45 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain The 6tisch security design team has been using JITSI.tools for the past few meetings, and today didn't go well. We had to bail into webex and dialins half-way through. (And java based webex is worse and worse for cross-platform support) Please take this as constructive as possible. I really want this to work... 1) There is some bug where we get less than a full matrix of audio through. I.e. A can hear B and C, but B can only hear A and not C. This is sometimes fixed by A and/or B hitting "reload" in their browser. This seems to happen if C has joined last. If A or B hit reload, they may not be "last". I'm guessing that this is partly due to RTC media trying to go "direct" rather than through a cross-bar. We need some way to verify who is getting one-way audio, and who just has some local mute issue. 2) Poor audio quality at times. Often it is AWESOME quality. In fact, after we switched to webex, people complained that my quality was low, as I was now on SIP->PSTN->WEBEX. 3) Corporate firewalls. Two participants from the same company (San Jose and France). San Jose one could hear just fine, but we could never hear them. 4) Lack of a dial-in/dial-out capability is still a problem. At least, it lets us work around points 2 and 3. Thank you for making the etherpad remain, it's very useful, even if we know that it could go away, at least, we know that if we forget to grab it, we can come back 20 minutes later. I think that maybe it's integrated (i.e. just uses) the etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000 instance, but the name is not identical? Or maybe that didn't happen yet. Aside from the dial-in use case wanting the etherpad, there is also the conference room use case where three or four people are on JITSI in a conference room, but multiple of them want to etherpad at the same time. Sometimes the situation is that the conference room computer has the right firewall permissions (or is outside firewall) so that it can do full JITSI, but the laptop that the person brought is still inside, so just all joining the JITSI doesn'tw rok. WARNING: BLUE SKY IDEAS FOLLOWS. Abandon all hope, all YEAH who scroll down! It would very nice if we could have 70% of screen be etherpad, and leave the rest for video or other screen sharing. (we all turned our video off, btw). Starting with video off as a conference setting would be nice too. I'd also like to have video from me *AND* screen share from me, and have them as seperate feeds. AND still have the etherpad visible.... Obviously subject to local controls, because not everyone has pairs of 4K monitors, and those that do might not want to devote the whole thing to the meeting they are supposed to be participating in... I suggest that the etherpad, screen share, etc. be feeds just like the people, so that really, you can just pick them, but also, that when picking a person, one of the options isn't to see them, but rather, to see what they see (arrangement and choice of windows!). And if the conference creator/owner could perhaps make following him be the default... -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBV+rZRYCLcPvd0N1lAQLPhQf/YZAcYQuaDSWU/dnKOoWKLKYf+0acdHJM w8U3mgQH4SdCJ/i/lX1DHTaZlod3DLnVxc8MAuAgh4kJhzPhFHxaEji1SoziHZim exxaOVahJipzfe69tMtCyln+burfgkd2Sjh2NJAQTxQ3ZHt6wGwgVhBT7C1upC2y Nbx6/EA58TuTDeniwvQs1TpeScJq7Vw/kxhw+HQSoGtASD1jeZYk9Lw6dk8RGDkR 61odtNclI+vJ3IT1wPSe5L14bBrlHSoSqU3573yAg06fuGUELHGKZtjQI+JrhgnG l4QnU+evfnJSFui0j1kBHpY4eyBYATbzFmiNKXwwUXcp4G/vNUB3vw== =AZJ/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Sep 28 00:16:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E74912B3E4; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:16:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id znGuObdtO0_b; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDE5F12B3F0; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.110] (unknown [75.83.2.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CCA2C50A84; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 03:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Leonard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:16:04 -0700 To: ABNF-Discuss , tools-discuss@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Introducing reaex: a Regular Expression-Based ABNF Extractor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:16:08 -0000 Hi abnf-discuss and tools-discuss: While working on ABNF, I felt it desirable to extract ABNF from RFCs and = other documents (Internet-Drafts). Unfortunately, existing tools were = not getting the job done. Introducing reaex: Sean=E2=80=99s SUPER Regular Expression-Based ABNF = Extractor! This tool is a replacement for Bill Fenner=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Caex=E2=80=9D= tool. It uses regular expressions derived from ABNF itself = (specifically RFC 5234 and RFC 7405) to identify the ABNF. Therefore, = the tool is non-heuristic: if it is ABNF (syntactically), then it = matches; if not, it will not match. This formulation leads to very = consistent and predictable results. One consequence is that if the = syntax of ABNF is extended then the regular expressions in the tool need = to be updated; however, this is a straightforward exercise. There is also code to output line (location) and caption comments: one = could describe that code as heuristic. Emitting those comments is = controlled by --linecomments (-l) and --captioncomments (-c), = respectively. The program supports plain text (ASCII, UTF-8) and xml2rfc = (v2, v3) input. The tool now lives publicly at: https://github.com/seantek/reaex and will be released under an open source license (likely a BSD License) = after ironing out any bugs. Comments and tests welcome. Regards, Sean PS To test the code I wrote a shell script, extract-abnf-from-rfcs.sh, = that also lives in that repository. You can use it to see how well it = works for yourself. On my MacBook Pro it takes about 11 minutes to go = through the entire RFC series. In total it identifies 533 RFCs as = containing conforming ABNF (up through RFC 7979). PPS The # list-extension syntax is not included by design. It turns out = that # support is not really necessary for modern RFCs because RFC 7230 = etc. provide the collected grammar in standard RFC 5234 notation. From nobody Wed Sep 28 07:43:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CCB12B0E0 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:43:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.934 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.934 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kLC3Voyg5rMy for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe16:19:96:114:154:160]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3DCB12B0F6 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resomta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.236]) by resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id pG4ebxtcJucHZpG4lbNcHN; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:43:11 +0000 Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com ([73.16.37.18]) by resomta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id pG4jbh0xmVsy3pG4kbqEVE; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:43:11 +0000 Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com (hobgoblin.ariadne.com [127.0.0.1]) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id u8SEh9MJ004189; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:43:09 -0400 Received: (from worley@localhost) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id u8SEh8qn004185; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:43:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: hobgoblin.ariadne.com: worley set sender to worley@alum.mit.edu using -f From: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) To: Sean Leonard In-Reply-To: (dev+ietf@seantek.com) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:43:08 -0400 Message-ID: <87vaxg6q6b.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfA71M35sBbWQTmXobeyfzJ/n/Rv2tMLtGBpgle4kXgZrBGEAzCqwrzl5dUQp6YjGUx3OF5aN9SyBX31KlNYdtS6L/nj3yyT6GJ1vVadYkWOKEOsZ+WFH g1SHgtQwFURzCE8dF1YsZrblfccCrCy4RuFdwEi454CeMZ0tS8akn3HGddq5gJdBChChW8Du3IXjHEyUrcZ2qN7pd2zyLAh0WVcPBqJO4Qe56ZCYrdsxd//y gRjiMcpS+Tkd6iKWTu65Qg== Archived-At: Cc: abnf-discuss@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Introducing reaex: a Regular Expression-Based ABNF Extractor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:43:14 -0000 Sean Leonard writes: > Introducing reaex: Sean's SUPER Regular Expression-Based ABNF Extractor! The idea is certainly cool. I assume that if there are just a few syntax errors in otherwise correct block of ABNF, that the tool finds most of the ABNF and the user can look back at the document to see why the rest wasn't extracted. I guess I'm assuming here that the tool can tell the user *where* it got the various bits of ABNF that it extracts. Dale From nobody Wed Sep 28 15:32:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F201D12B043; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:32:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z5NJmVmBF5it; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FCEA12B226; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [75.83.2.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 523C250A86; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:32:27 -0400 (EDT) To: "Dale R. Worley" References: <87vaxg6q6b.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> From: Sean Leonard Message-ID: <09d55f52-76a2-0e32-85df-b7e6e4c61f33@seantek.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:34:09 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87vaxg6q6b.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: abnf-discuss@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Introducing reaex: a Regular Expression-Based ABNF Extractor X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:32:31 -0000 On 9/28/2016 7:43 AM, Dale R. Worley wrote: > Sean Leonard writes: >> Introducing reaex: Sean's SUPER Regular Expression-Based ABNF Extracto= r! > The idea is certainly cool. I assume that if there are just a few > syntax errors in otherwise correct block of ABNF, that the tool finds > most of the ABNF and the user can look back at the document to see why > the rest wasn't extracted. I guess I'm assuming here that the tool can= > tell the user *where* it got the various bits of ABNF that it extracts.= Correct on all points. With -l, you get lines, and optionally pages (plain text) or @anchor (XML= ): ; lines 733-786 [Pages 10-11] rule =3D foo ; fig-id-abnf at lines 733-786 rule =3D foo With -c, you get captions, determined using the following algorithm: if caption, use caption. (caption =3D center-aligned "Figure X: YYYYY" on= =20 immediately succeeding lines, or similar) else if one-line introducer, use one-line introducer. (one-line=20 introducer =3D " The following foo is the ABNF foo:" or similar, on=20 immediately preceding line. In XML, it only matches if the preceding = is 69 characters or less, trimmed for whitespace.) else if immediately preceding section header is found, use immediately=20 preceding section header. (section header =3D "Appendix B.2.3.333. =20 Collected ABNF for Mumble Protocol", or similar) Here is an example: ; Figure 33: ABNF for the frobber parameter frobber-param =3D "hello" / "goodbye" If both -lc are specified, you get both separated by a colon: ; lines 733-786 [Pages 10-11]: Figure 33: ABNF for the frobber paramet= er -Sean