From nobody Thu Feb 1 06:09:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2553812D956 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 06:09:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Pi_rF2QUllW for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 06:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85C7912DA3E for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 06:09:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6916F20096; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 09:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804B680A6A; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 09:09:15 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Henrik Levkowetz cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <07d83aeb-5e03-4bc6-fa9f-79a2547861b0@levkowetz.com> References: <13373.1517425749@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <699036cf-c26a-a69d-e2d2-fb92edc2a6fd@levkowetz.com> <31095.1517437320@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <07d83aeb-5e03-4bc6-fa9f-79a2547861b0@levkowetz.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7-RC3; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] etherpad flaky and trouble reporting X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2018 14:09:59 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Maybe. At the moment I'm thinking of having a summary of the appropriate > points of contact on one single page, with a link directly from the That's what I would like. I think that page should be on www.ietf.org/ > www.ietf.org front page, and also from the datatracker. (Although I'm not > sure how often people find the bug reporting link which is already in the > datatracker menus...) It could be more prominent. I did look. But it suggests that it's about *bugs* in the datatracker. I think that 80% of the time the problems people have merit an email to ietf-action@ first. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlpzH4sACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXE3Qf/TXOOXEqmMu/CbImUG0Um4Ire/upLFgGplKXCu4pqZRCe2Q6BM2fMorQK nOKQK+VsEdOeLZwkboT6SoZvC0FM6bHGOnwc4gawFzAywhprjHBX3gzpk8+TPlzs FxdIienBhJk8+qB0YQau0ju5IAW06Xlw5RCRQws0dPCjzR6D7YhotwAYYGbN2C5K 8EUYyleGREmVFrAuLYpiLXdQ8t/gktmirQ0hshudp+B2gT39jmr+G0WG4OEw7T3y WjWu/tPUo1+ub8XYIoAHhHpLs1nMKfja1GqHCD14bRv932z3wSRZRzjVJdsbUcVw yeNtrcOvcNHkr17s02UTAEI4n+a58g== =Hv0Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Feb 1 06:12:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6BE12E881 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 06:12:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e0tQlLOu6X9n for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 06:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA3A312EAA4 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 06:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21AC20096; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 09:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3BA80A6A; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 09:12:43 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Brian E Carpenter cc: Henrik Levkowetz , tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <13373.1517425749@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <699036cf-c26a-a69d-e2d2-fb92edc2a6fd@levkowetz.com> <31095.1517437320@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <07d83aeb-5e03-4bc6-fa9f-79a2547861b0@levkowetz.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7-RC3; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] etherpad flaky and trouble reporting X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2018 14:12:52 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>> Yes, that's true. >>> But maybe we can socialize a single place better than the algorithm that you >>> provided in the footer. >> >> Maybe. At the moment I'm thinking of having a summary of the appropriate >> points of contact on one single page, with a link directly from the >> www.ietf.org front page, and also from the datatracker. (Although I'm not >> sure how often people find the bug reporting link which is already in the >> datatracker menus...) > There's already https://www.ietf.org/contact/ if you can stand the Stupid Large > Font, but it has too many words and omits http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > and http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues. That page is pretty good. It does have some omissions, and I'm still unclear from reading the page if etherpad issues should be reported to ietf-action@ or not. > It's linked quite prominently from the top menu bar on https://www.ietf.org > and from https://www.ietf.org/links/. So I'd expect people to look there > first. Perhaps the "contact" link at the top could have a drop-down/hover that says, "problems and bug reports" so that it's clear I found the right spot. Given the history of other sites where "contact" leads to a web form that puts me on the marketing mailing list, I wouldn't have thought that "contact" was the right link. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlpzIFoACgkQgItw+93Q 3WU24wf/YfAUEzUCZRv1nBagJ/Pk72MM0Wxq/atp6uJii1veFAQKJej4kwlizQMk 1e1+H8gdRA4Q8jtAjif86F/0h+HRR1X3+chbrYoNW2tqIDEmKFeFidusDlMKYA7k 6eVLWcvr1/za9TFYwk1cP5/IGchj394bd7IGgDOLTcrNK0nW/3KlH8lMOSyBIz70 V0IbgNzCSSAjRrNl7z9sOYCN7rhIQ0HwWenQh4QAtNwfLNbHu5yEI/P+oy/BOoHu eYNYQJbD5/pLcn7c6WnMEtitA2A6yzapGrePtZOYJwdjYJg/gBlVkf8ba2HnmtTp DtlE6WiUfq2kh8X7M3s3q+y+/3g42g== =FvQ2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Feb 1 18:04:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3970112EB20 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 18:04:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.531 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.531 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y5jMgnUzDxv2 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 18:04:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7936126DC2 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 18:04:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=383; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1517537085; x=1518746685; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=h2jNeAvzWYa1FDH8ZC0J/CuzlepLquM47wRaN68GQzs=; b=ZjlQEpoDVyU/owhXIe+2UeYNAuO29MSy5WvLDYwY2YKFG7O/kJcbWzfL XYWhszAhbCe1s5TGrGGEdR2lZTr7Ejpf1Y/zByRUZMoebImtFiG4bFSB/ YVqazT+5v3c2dEy4ZNIGnQ5H5w0b6BDFlYnHgb2KbMMezhFRnSeHuPcf4 Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ANAQATxnNa/5RdJa1dGgEBAQEBAgEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEIAQEBAYNCgVsyjXqOLZlKghcKh25UGAEBAQEBAQEBAmsdC4VkPRQBPkImAQQ?= =?us-ascii?q?bii2wV4pkAQEIAQEBASSEaYIVgVeQNAWaHIoHApVjgg4BkiuXPwIRGQGBOwEfO?= =?us-ascii?q?YFQcBU9giuEdotNgRcBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.46,445,1511827200"; d="scan'208";a="352099354" Received: from rcdn-core-12.cisco.com ([173.37.93.148]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 02 Feb 2018 02:04:45 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-003.cisco.com (xch-aln-003.cisco.com [173.36.7.13]) by rcdn-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w1224iou023938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 02:04:45 GMT Received: from xch-aln-001.cisco.com (173.36.7.11) by XCH-ALN-003.cisco.com (173.36.7.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1320.4; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 20:04:44 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-001.cisco.com ([173.36.7.11]) by XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com ([173.36.7.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1320.000; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 20:04:44 -0600 From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Shepherd's Writeup Does Not trigger notifications Thread-Index: AdObyd4YK3CoRZV7QweijbwVaMXLNA== Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 02:04:44 +0000 Message-ID: <10029afc29a34ccbb28975e949e5a600@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.154.131.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Shepherd's Writeup Does Not trigger notifications X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 02:04:47 -0000 Today when a document shepherd posts his/her writeup in Datatracker for a W= G document, no notifications are sent. The WG and the "draft-all" alias should be notified so they become aware o= f the existence of the shepherd's writeup. Unless the shepherd is conscientious enough to send a notification to the W= G list no one knows about the writeup. Thanx. Les From nobody Fri Feb 2 01:13:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8693012F4C5 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 01:13:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uRQvxgX4QTOY for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 01:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk0-x22f.google.com (mail-vk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFD6B127876 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 01:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vk0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id a63so13079064vkg.6 for ; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 01:13:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=S4wCVxXBojnO5Q0+vJoX/OS8rmap2kNcsPgCNuMQpf4=; b=Feo2o1a84XsbdwcdSX4Je3ojkNXDFKThMJ2oSH438hn11UNeE1lPNHW2APkPfajhb2 6b2RFwtr9qr9BoK8dX9ifVUzk4vQtZC+HH9rGQ6p9OdgtTrV4GQvnNYjhCi+gse4TJQx WxDnmSPU+2lMY80EqkmXTS6hKXYgc/VDecL2wT4GWdYg6JrAlX6uxUabk8cPoS1GUgZF DPszacDG8Hml/FpoOX80vJZdAiOhZeERAfmGqCv7pghgPGScoMSV6jm+AiVdmXN0rFH/ 8tFDDhcu3qqlkEVCtx9/iOwkXTUtaujN1paL4k8LMJrtIyhBlNiwplHNSzmXPWW5dN/b Mqsw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=S4wCVxXBojnO5Q0+vJoX/OS8rmap2kNcsPgCNuMQpf4=; b=ACiL5SuMA9UXB7ZmeO2gFg/DxYUegfELcffq/AiPTbiAfwMvRDyaXwYldByj7QlL0d 2nuFjNnSx2LjWcjAYIiotoQKk5cSI55vhvx8BmMxtFdovUgFcMb8RGZZeUKlOk+OVSUT aUoqbC38yBPpEWEGYUndM6fsWX69glEtyAd+LVSp8ycczwy94VyCJlP8iN+xnEWpnArH SWWbCeecWWK93L3PuzVVZV3rhJLNHU7XJkjcyAwYB63OJwXg/Rx8v4ejZQZ/WmuB6MJ+ CE50l9tImkQLvD6d9Kevj+TkTrRMnJl0165oM3o6Fx4spp50BuXOl8+7nIVHBd2lCga1 udMA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytc511ZUlE3JAbY6Bghm/D8MoNfsRX02Zbc3WqGuVrvNiVUbnMVi v5FzwBoRP7cBJZzBqhfKmbnd7IDW+aq4lfdy67ZK+lYaXg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227elTQSaFYax7AaCcMa6mAqdxwChYHneIMQvtwdsMT1OCTEeP4fLHlV3FTGGvMVEbd6T//mfYBZQ/0OtqVH8HQ= X-Received: by 10.31.185.11 with SMTP id j11mr20144529vkf.52.1517562822775; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 01:13:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.10.27 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 01:13:02 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Ellermann Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 10:13:02 +0100 Message-ID: To: henrik@levkowetz.com Cc: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Rfcmarkup-1.126 minor nit X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 09:13:45 -0000 Hi, while reading tools.ietf.org/html/draft-touch-time-03 I stumbled over two nits: Reference [Sa86] exists, but isn't linked near "UT (Universal Time) [Mc09][Sa78]". The [Mc09] works as expected, so I guess the juxtaposition is a part of the issue. Then I went to the bottom of the page to find the version 1.126 link, and arrived on tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/ claiming to be about version 1.121. Unrelated, a download of xml2rfc with pip on a Windows 7 box worked like a charm. I'm not planning to use it, I only wanted the experience that I could use it. ;-) From nobody Fri Feb 2 10:41:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A46127871 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 10:41:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.89 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4fh1eJafjWcH for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 10:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9FEE1252BA for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 10:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.15.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w12IfSwt023640 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Feb 2018 12:41:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.15.50] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" References: <10029afc29a34ccbb28975e949e5a600@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <06d0d772-0d73-3bdd-3830-fb0ba3eba01d@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 12:41:28 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <10029afc29a34ccbb28975e949e5a600@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Shepherd's Writeup Does Not trigger notifications X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 18:41:34 -0000 Captured at RjS On 2/1/18 8:04 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Today when a document shepherd posts his/her writeup in Datatracker for a WG document, no notifications are sent. > > The WG and the "draft-all" alias should be notified so they become aware of the existence of the shepherd's writeup. > > Unless the shepherd is conscientious enough to send a notification to the WG list no one knows about the writeup. 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Just in case one does multiple edits/save that do not necessarily need to be sent to the WG/draft-authors. -m Le 2018-02-02 à 19:41, Robert Sparks a écrit : > Captured at > > RjS > > > On 2/1/18 8:04 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: >> Today when a document shepherd posts his/her writeup in Datatracker >> for a WG document, no notifications are sent. >> >> The WG and the  "draft-all" alias should be notified so they become >> aware of the existence of the shepherd's writeup. >> >> Unless the shepherd is conscientious enough to send a notification to >> the WG list no one knows about the writeup. > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > From nobody Wed Feb 14 18:02:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00D4126CD6 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:02:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o3GbEfU3zozj for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x22e.google.com (mail-qk0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0759C126C3D for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id b130so12043896qkg.9 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:02:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WpBVJszLeA1ZHXL4mbuBi+OMzxJqrK/cc0KXNBsax7s=; b=b3cb7iN3ulNzC3xy7VrdQvk6VSTpQnlWQH74AlxxL7kD+X2G4GzVkFaiVGE0YQfO95 P8fLi6jyERmqr6RwSk4QBzJKx96SVm+qzuMN61c2JD/2iYFup9pJ9gmTKE9ZyDZeM7I+ ytVURw7FGfIvzDGSqrH9qH5IANVU6u+KMD9Srh9b6a26GkkrUfACTJqO2uI09lBYThm1 Z7fzdvKns4boxAv5OmLQNILrlgvspzTftMVXfTKlOl3eMIiQes6UFcPejb6SPnR5Gpyk hVfRlU33oAIZ2hculUYvgaCwJSIYzMzDiJwyFICE/4U54Wp2BsMzsdN8wkVV1Wos5pqa hEAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WpBVJszLeA1ZHXL4mbuBi+OMzxJqrK/cc0KXNBsax7s=; b=Nlr1IjPJ6TCq76OiffxT/mZvnMWg6KWRZi2upoVN508WHz7408KIsjKeTBnuNpR3O1 /abS/2GAHEVLKpHdZulWX1Ip553+gQy2blAy0maPUGdP0riVoPYuSOheCnO3inSRgRrp MBiFbBUBJNKHhaalVJjVH1NEW4P5nyboTed1vsCOFpk+bzL43+rKAE7xbzSXUFhW112k nUMOTrelZnpHl9jNiqU8/U4MUVyzfaICj3/x9XeEFzWGWXLS9s6AiAh3cMp7t4i6Sk62 T6sph0GNUW47YKAmJcGBbKHRqi3V0tGK4zBvSkFHJeoph61WlMb8KSfPbfZrQaaJe7qU NN0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPAS2A7x5jy2GPVsHEWU4J8JENbxzbVDJQXzdmk2Egqw2bk4rHK0 k2Huqu2S7kBJ1y3UJ/O7EE7UQfojKsCcJpB3h4+sAA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225QeJtrAe2ZsLbQpaOgI9UT+Encd6I71X89phn1s9SZsRAdzCKRVHOIkRp4OgvvBrElD7YFyF2cjnTTKMQODFw= X-Received: by 10.55.11.65 with SMTP id 62mr1807198qkl.258.1518660171919; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:02:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.98.207 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:02:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.98.207 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:02:51 -0800 (PST) From: Joey Johnson Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:02:51 -0600 Message-ID: To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Cc: Joey Mckinlin Johnson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114c5c0014f790056536a008" Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Rfcdiff-1.46 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 02:02:55 -0000 --001a114c5c0014f790056536a008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" JOEY M. 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[130.216.38.97]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t85sm21149067pfg.159.2018.02.26.16.16.35 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:16:36 -0800 (PST) Sender: Brian Carpenter To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <161a187f-4252-d439-e3f8-5b128eb860db@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 13:16:34 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Feature request for review tool and/or tracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 00:16:39 -0000 It's not surprising that coming up to the March IETF, many ADs are anxious to get drafts off their plate. However, an unintended side effect is that quite a few drafts get placed on the IESG agenda *before* their IETF Last Call goes out. The result is that the review tool assigns these drafts for a "Telechat" review, but in fact what is needed is a Last Call review. The reviewer can spot this easily enough, but the review tool generates a message with the subject "telechat review of..." and provides a template for a telechat review. At least for Gen-ART, this is quite annoying. So, how about the review tool detecting this situation and offering the reviewer the choice between "telechat review of..." and "last call review of"? Additionally, how about the tracker giving the AD a poke in the ribs when adding a draft to the telechat agenda before sending the Last Call? Regards, Brian From nobody Wed Feb 28 11:57:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE856120227 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:57:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.89 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rNuckRrZgocN for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:57:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A2CB1200E5 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:57:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.15.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w1SJvVSk041416 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 13:57:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.15.50] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <161a187f-4252-d439-e3f8-5b128eb860db@gmail.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <0d3126f1-8137-33d7-7524-4ac8ca934700@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 13:57:31 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <161a187f-4252-d439-e3f8-5b128eb860db@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Feature request for review tool and/or tracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 19:57:34 -0000 On 2/26/18 6:16 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > It's not surprising that coming up to the March IETF, many > ADs are anxious to get drafts off their plate. However, an > unintended side effect is that quite a few drafts get > placed on the IESG agenda *before* their IETF Last Call > goes out. > > The result is that the review tool assigns these drafts > for a "Telechat" review, but in fact what is needed is > a Last Call review. The reviewer can spot this easily > enough, but the review tool generates a message with > the subject "telechat review of..." and provides a > template for a telechat review. At least for Gen-ART, > this is quite annoying. > > So, how about the review tool detecting this situation > and offering the reviewer the choice between "telechat > review of..." and "last call review of"? I've gotten different feedback about this. The idea you propose would not be hard to implement. But some (Tero in particular, if I remember correctly) have pointed out that what really matters is the telechat - if the review isn't in before then, things are worse. His argument was that seeing those as telechat reviews would cause the reviewer to prioritize them over other things (and not wait until the last, or a little past the last, moment to get the review in). > > Additionally, how about the tracker giving the AD > a poke in the ribs when adding a draft to the telechat > agenda before sending the Last Call? We added a poke if the time before the telechat is too short. The recent IESGs have taken to putting documents on telechats as far into the future as they have been scheduled in order to claim turf (they've adopted an informal policy to not let any given telechat get too big pagewise). > > Regards, > Brian > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Wed Feb 28 18:00:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4243C12D95D for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:00:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r00dKOTwRIL9 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg0-x22e.google.com (mail-pg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90FE812D945 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id y26so1716270pgv.4 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:00:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/D0LqpTBUJb14l4jKYgdIkTaZwX3DKcevJiwF5f5JQ4=; b=Amt2Nb/zOwICJbOFOk5DXIOGdoATCXvtpV2KO3GPYZDQq7z+TwaAnKzj1/B5vAgU0k yBWU7yPEcKovhLO//lovEGL9y4wtbrRB29WR3qMjdi4e+9nhKjKFPAs+/6iNLp4YqVdA dxBWsiXk+en+CnScbeGUmzj2ZU7dRBa/bVmeRIg0rtY9qvbPJjFvJOm01mJXOybAnaW+ Y6vtxs1oUr8e8BKRNxTTlozP1lizBCPWijOfmVe/+y1cyZFbuYhHGSiKES6CQyyy12ht Q/HWa+Ptw76YKlYeuWkdcTg1Ci9e3bsHvWX5zzpeGcddbdGS+fNaQQlIOgCVXOdM7sg4 wiaw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/D0LqpTBUJb14l4jKYgdIkTaZwX3DKcevJiwF5f5JQ4=; b=deglntMJkp9RBTCDQ+jl7HmTw7p0oMbhlfnH/0tnjc/+xpGou936Y39b+wttALsXce a04T3QytpcrodCMYlIyLYnUCCbLeYlVReWg+3WTUJYBu/+vZbwGPIdz7UbXSwdZ0ZgIp v+eSya79r0yL0gzn1VQYRJPmvzqJczVPOa86z4zSWyleKd8sAR/H+DXLKYloux6k6fua pL5uqthib5ep1OsiJvlFyg7w+H4/nWSnGUBLp0vNIGYAYy47VpM63JGi3PfzQ4CFEcJV pK8PnlMwG2wS5QWtgsUEqHjDOCSgys0JfnsJrexUlCOwQscwu+i/WMJAjJJFF3+74nJ3 Vdog== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCpEPtiHiVvL4FY59pF/5ehNRu6dSJbCFtVPokpoflC6Q8y8L+Q xsXG2URb0rw3S2awGrCq4xClqM7L X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELuyTe6QfPM4V84EXXbxcyPBfBxpP6JfVDSllyCGgMEPEYrnNO8LDuZXFO+0FcREL3/8DnMRbg== X-Received: by 10.99.116.67 with SMTP id e3mr152738pgn.265.1519869631358; Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:00:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.182.31] ([114.23.138.211]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p128sm4431602pga.45.2018.02.28.18.00.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:00:30 -0800 (PST) Sender: Brian Carpenter To: Robert Sparks , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <161a187f-4252-d439-e3f8-5b128eb860db@gmail.com> <0d3126f1-8137-33d7-7524-4ac8ca934700@nostrum.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <75ff4f33-ce3f-cd5a-4834-d4fb0126c517@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:00:31 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0d3126f1-8137-33d7-7524-4ac8ca934700@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Feature request for review tool and/or tracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 02:00:35 -0000 in line... On 01/03/2018 08:57, Robert Sparks wrote: > > > On 2/26/18 6:16 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> It's not surprising that coming up to the March IETF, many >> ADs are anxious to get drafts off their plate. However, an >> unintended side effect is that quite a few drafts get >> placed on the IESG agenda *before* their IETF Last Call >> goes out. >> >> The result is that the review tool assigns these drafts >> for a "Telechat" review, but in fact what is needed is >> a Last Call review. The reviewer can spot this easily >> enough, but the review tool generates a message with >> the subject "telechat review of..." and provides a >> template for a telechat review. At least for Gen-ART, >> this is quite annoying. >> >> So, how about the review tool detecting this situation >> and offering the reviewer the choice between "telechat >> review of..." and "last call review of"? > I've gotten different feedback about this. The idea you propose would > not be hard to implement. But some (Tero in particular, if I remember > correctly) have pointed out that > what really matters is the telechat - if the review isn't in before > then, things are worse. > His argument was that seeing those as telechat reviews would cause the > reviewer to > prioritize them over other things (and not wait until the last, or a > little past the last, > moment to get the review in). Yes. So it's fine to raise it as a telechat review, but it's the subject field on the emailed review that bothers me, because it's simply untrue in many cases. So giving the reviewer the power to change the subject to "Last Call review" would keep the feature that Tero suggests. BTW the Last Call review *does* matter. It matters very much if there is no gap between the end of the Last Call and the telechat; if the review doesn't say "Ready" of "Ready with nits" the draft should be pulled off the agenda until the issues have been settled. >> Additionally, how about the tracker giving the AD >> a poke in the ribs when adding a draft to the telechat >> agenda before sending the Last Call? > We added a poke if the time before the telechat is too short. > The recent IESGs have taken to putting documents on telechats as far > into the future as they have been scheduled in order to claim turf > (they've adopted an informal policy to not let any given telechat get > too big pagewise). Fine, they can game their own system but the result is a bug: reviews that really should be Last Call get mis-labelled as Telechat. That's exactly my problem and exactly why I want to change the subject header of the review email. Brian >> >> Regards, >> Brian >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org >> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb >> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >> >> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at >> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues >> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >