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Many of our drafts have descriptions of things like terminology.
In HTML-speak, we use <DL><DT><DD> lots. In XML it looks like:

<t hangText=3D"someterminology:">some explanation of the term.</t>

To Carsten and other experts:
   how do I do this in Kramdown?

This cheet sheet shows using HTML for DT/DD , which I really don't want to =
do:
     https://github.com/adam-p/markdown-here/wiki/Markdown-Cheatsheet

I looked at a few other cheat sheets, and I found:

term
: definition

I didn't find anything at https://github.com/cabo/kramdown-rfc2629/wiki/Syn=
tax

I also opened a ticket.

(I also note that the CELLAR authors are using a different markdown
processor)

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We have been using this with the kramdown-rfc262 tool:

=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=
=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94

DSO:
: DNS Stateful Operations.

connection:
: a bidirectional byte (or message) stream,
where the bytes (or messages) are delivered reliably and in-order,
such as provided by using
DNS over TCP {{!RFC1035}} {{!RFC7766}} or DNS over TLS {{?RFC7858}}.

session:
: The unqualified term "session" in the context of this document refers =
to
a persistent network connection between two endpoints which allows for
the exchange of
DNS messages over a connection where either end of the connection can
send messages to the other end.
(The term has no relationship to the "session layer" of the
OSI "seven-layer model".)

=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=
=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=
=94
It generates this in the XML:


<t><list style=3D"hanging">
  <t hangText=3D'DSO:'>
  DNS Stateful Operations.</t>
  <t hangText=3D'connection:'>
  a bidirectional byte (or message) stream,
where the bytes (or messages) are delivered reliably and in-order,
such as provided by using
DNS over TCP <xref target=3D"RFC1035"/> <xref target=3D"RFC7766"/> or =
DNS over TLS <xref target=3D"RFC7858"/>.</t>
  <t hangText=3D'session:'>
  The unqualified term =E2=80=9Csession=E2=80=9D in the context of this =
document refers to
a persistent network connection between two endpoints which allows for
the exchange of
DNS messages over a connection where either end of the connection can
send messages to the other end.
(The term has no relationship to the =E2=80=9Csession layer=E2=80=9D of =
the
OSI =E2=80=9Cseven-layer model=E2=80=9D.)</t>


> On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:16 PM, Michael Richardson =
<mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Many of our drafts have descriptions of things like terminology.
> In HTML-speak, we use <DL><DT><DD> lots. In XML it looks like:
>=20
> <t hangText=3D"someterminology:">some explanation of the term.</t>
>=20
> To Carsten and other experts:
>   how do I do this in Kramdown?
>=20
> This cheet sheet shows using HTML for DT/DD , which I really don't =
want to do:
>     https://github.com/adam-p/markdown-here/wiki/Markdown-Cheatsheet
>=20
> I looked at a few other cheat sheets, and I found:
>=20
> term
> : definition
>=20
> I didn't find anything at =
https://github.com/cabo/kramdown-rfc2629/wiki/Syntax
>=20
> I also opened a ticket.
>=20
> (I also note that the CELLAR authors are using a different markdown
> processor)
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> On Aug 13, 2018, at 18:16, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> =
wrote:
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> Signed PGP part
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> Many of our drafts have descriptions of things like terminology.
> In HTML-speak, we use <DL><DT><DD> lots. In XML it looks like:
>=20
> <t hangText=3D"someterminology:">some explanation of the term.</t>
>=20
> To Carsten and other experts:
>   how do I do this in Kramdown?


Some terminology:
: some explanation of the term


> This cheet sheet shows using HTML for DT/DD , which I really don't =
want to do:
>     https://github.com/adam-p/markdown-here/wiki/Markdown-Cheatsheet

That wouldn=E2=80=99t work in kramdown-rfc, because there is no HTML in =
the pipeline.

This would work:

<list style=3D"hanging"><t hangText=3D"someterminology:">some =
explanation of the term.</t></list>

I have no idea why this needs to be on a single input line, though.

> I looked at a few other cheat sheets, and I found:
>=20
> term
> : definition

Yes.  Did you try that and it didn=E2=80=99t do what you wanted?

> I didn=E2=80=99t find anything at =
https://github.com/cabo/kramdown-rfc2629/wiki/Syntax

OK, that is recurring on=20
https://kramdown.gettalong.org/syntax.html
which has
https://kramdown.gettalong.org/syntax.html#definition-lists

> (I also note that the CELLAR authors are using a different markdown
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The syntax for definition lists is not part of Gruber=E2=80=99s original =
markdown, but it pretty universal now.
What markdown processor are they using?

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


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Thank you so much for this feature.

Ryan Cross <rcross@amsl.com> wrote:
    > The latest release of the =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D IETF mail archive,
    > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/, includes a =E2=80=9CStatic Mode=
=E2=80=9D. This mode
    > is for those who prefer the MHonArc interface for browsing a list. You
    > can enable / disable Static Mode via the settings menu at the top
    > right. When enabled, the user will see familiar MHonArc style pages
    > when browsing a list. Browse a list by entering the list name in the
    > search field, or selecting a list from the browse page. These pages a=
re
    > cached to improve responsiveness. Also, as an improvement to the
    > MHonArc interface, the URLs include a date part, that can be hacked to
    > jump to a specific month.

You didn't tell me how you wanted feedback, so I'm reply-all :-)

I first turned it on, did a search for "roll", and yup, it sure looks like
MHonArc to me, and it also seems as fast as Mhonarc.
I then turned off static mode, and I returned to the mailarchive mode,
and I tried a search, but it searched inside that list only (probably the
right behaviour).  Wondering for a bit how to search everywhere, I clicked =
on
"Mailarchive" in the banner, went back to the top level and entered a search
term. (Actually, just accepted a previous search term, which happened to be
a person's name)

I got a bunch of emails from various lists, and I picked one, and then
wondered how to see any thread associated with it.  I clicked on settings
and turned static back on, and nothing happened.  I looked for links in the
message display, found none.

I then tried a different search term, and found a message in the ROLL
WG, and I then found that I could click on the links at the bottom to
see the thread view.  That's AWESOME.

So my only complaint is that if there is no thread, those links do not
show up.  (The first message was an ID announcement) It should probably say,
"no thread", and maybe the indicate of how many messages are in the thread
should go at the top of the message (next to Show Headers).

=2D-
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FYI, the cache increase has resolved the frequent login timeouts on my =
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