From nobody Mon Oct 1 22:28:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A54128A6E for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 22:28:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NeY82Sg-hucm for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 22:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emh03.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh03.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.109]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C51311277BB for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 22:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eggert.org (unknown [62.248.255.56]) by emh03.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D8A40387; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 08:28:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: from slate.eggert.org (pf.eggert.org [172.16.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by eggert.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0778661F732; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 08:28:09 +0300 (EEST) From: Lars Eggert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) Message-Id: <26557884-70C0-4517-8F8E-C86F20AA8CC0@eggert.org> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 08:28:09 +0300 Cc: Henrik Levkowetz To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) X-MailScanner-ID: 0778661F732.A0B1A X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: lars@eggert.org Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] "txt" link to wrong version in rfcmarkup X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 05:28:22 -0000 Hi, clicking "txt" in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eggert-irtf-rfc2014bis-04 takes on to = the text version of the -03 revision. Lars= From nobody Mon Oct 1 22:49:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C169128A6E for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 22:49:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X0tLuflDxFGD for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 22:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3CA9130E04 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 22:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-37-140.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([94.254.37.140]:50923 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1g7DYL-0000BQ-1i; Mon, 01 Oct 2018 22:49:01 -0700 To: Lars Eggert , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <26557884-70C0-4517-8F8E-C86F20AA8CC0@eggert.org> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <3e8f79d9-b0e2-4f2c-7968-82318451fd7a@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 07:48:53 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <26557884-70C0-4517-8F8E-C86F20AA8CC0@eggert.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eph2kMIhLittwfrtP2RcQX3xA558r09Mp" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 94.254.37.140 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, lars@eggert.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] "txt" link to wrong version in rfcmarkup X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 05:49:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --eph2kMIhLittwfrtP2RcQX3xA558r09Mp Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="rJA2E6KbfUvIqmTXCJoTET5vFko59H0jt"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Lars Eggert , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <3e8f79d9-b0e2-4f2c-7968-82318451fd7a@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] "txt" link to wrong version in rfcmarkup References: <26557884-70C0-4517-8F8E-C86F20AA8CC0@eggert.org> In-Reply-To: <26557884-70C0-4517-8F8E-C86F20AA8CC0@eggert.org> --rJA2E6KbfUvIqmTXCJoTET5vFko59H0jt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lars, On 2018-10-02 07:28, Lars Eggert wrote: > Hi, >=20 > clicking "txt" in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eggert-irtf-rfc2014bis-04 takes on > to the text version of the -03 revision. Huh. 2 of the 3 active tools servers had -04; the third didn't. Fixed. Henrik --rJA2E6KbfUvIqmTXCJoTET5vFko59H0jt-- --eph2kMIhLittwfrtP2RcQX3xA558r09Mp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAluzBsUACgkQTptXS4+7 FxrEfA//RskP0YK2Lv4gXdnEtkSWmrMeYn9MRqoBl2scW6a39UMgYh70/eiaZ6iN SDjnoPn4sp8Mvjq9aJkywPkm0PIRcHNoZ9MQuucQ+yAwUQwCsX5Xqu/XhYFH91Vu KZ91tw5/vQTIaWrTilqZn3hlj8D34a74LnMljsgqBbQ+YoCWYCY16mNswjXc3BG3 vv1cA06fjFuzmfO3/LgyJM5b6srWh+aS2sF26C65B5Gh3U5V1bgsLi0Ma8VZGYkL i7mDFMVnju9RDoZonDrHjrlLZbjHggZM9PBRZIROtcCX9poKO5D0R893xrmtiel1 DOn/f10brC3kU9B+FLcx+jvsAFTj006NEKaT4nQ5++R1PCvkp61ZHBz3vVQpN3hG 0jMzPU6kACP4inTA093z7wq4O7d6Ha7bDIpPyxyWDyUssO4uvMpVJADmjMgpsstZ 1heBv+Cn0UTnnR/q2n2sPtzjZ4PIZ2hLyONsNmVBlAuYIZxAqyaPph6Jn6KXiZLs BZLC7oAdB0dhHcvKp1wii4cLoBsE9Nj9JId8Blk+jnKnAawEAmPI9rEp9deT/lky BmPjGHKx3pt3JzNOXpz4TVrI6P3fej48Aq6KS9CVVkv+mPLeuWuMgy0T/73qO1nf KR2fyZC1ukYTpB8uq8ZRCxT5SQXM6KatoRduuSksy9I+Ui2KSqc= =uRXQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eph2kMIhLittwfrtP2RcQX3xA558r09Mp-- From nobody Tue Oct 2 23:54:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49115131217 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 23:54:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oBNwcyE2y_m1 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 23:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emh01.mail.saunalahti.fi (emh01.mail.saunalahti.fi [62.142.5.107]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD398131090 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 23:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eggert.org (unknown [62.248.255.56]) by emh01.mail.saunalahti.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D23201A3; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 09:54:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from slate.eggert.org (pf.eggert.org [172.16.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by eggert.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7E4661CAEA; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 09:54:07 +0300 (EEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <26557884-70C0-4517-8F8E-C86F20AA8CC0@eggert.org> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 09:54:07 +0300 Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , webmaster@tools.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2F0DF305-A6FA-471F-A250-EC2A2C526EF8@eggert.org> References: <26557884-70C0-4517-8F8E-C86F20AA8CC0@eggert.org> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) X-MailScanner-ID: C7E4661CAEA.A7058 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: lars@eggert.org Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues gives Error 500 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 06:54:34 -0000 Hi, so I was going to do what the footer suggests and file a bug report at = https://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues/, but that URL throws an error = 500... Lars > On 2018-10-2, at 8:28, Lars Eggert wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > clicking "txt" in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eggert-irtf-rfc2014bis-04 takes on to = the text version of the -03 revision. >=20 > Lars > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Wed Oct 3 02:51:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BF913122C for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 02:51:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N0PDei1Nv72L for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 02:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B040F131211 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 02:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-37-140.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([94.254.37.140]:61603 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1g7dok-0000jj-Sq; Wed, 03 Oct 2018 02:51:43 -0700 To: Lars Eggert , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <26557884-70C0-4517-8F8E-C86F20AA8CC0@eggert.org> <2F0DF305-A6FA-471F-A250-EC2A2C526EF8@eggert.org> Cc: webmaster@tools.ietf.org From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <6b57c416-09a7-7061-9569-6711159a86aa@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 11:51:35 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2F0DF305-A6FA-471F-A250-EC2A2C526EF8@eggert.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QW9oK2xoHufFj9o5Af3B5SDqcNagQ0SjR" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 94.254.37.140 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: webmaster@tools.ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, lars@eggert.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues gives Error 500 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 09:51:46 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --QW9oK2xoHufFj9o5Af3B5SDqcNagQ0SjR Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8SlHhBCAw8lNB8wMKlu9m1mNQva2Q5NdO"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Lars Eggert , tools-discuss@ietf.org Cc: webmaster@tools.ietf.org Message-ID: <6b57c416-09a7-7061-9569-6711159a86aa@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues gives Error 500 References: <26557884-70C0-4517-8F8E-C86F20AA8CC0@eggert.org> <2F0DF305-A6FA-471F-A250-EC2A2C526EF8@eggert.org> In-Reply-To: <2F0DF305-A6FA-471F-A250-EC2A2C526EF8@eggert.org> --8SlHhBCAw8lNB8wMKlu9m1mNQva2Q5NdO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lars, On 2018-10-03 08:54, Lars Eggert wrote: > Hi, >=20 > so I was going to do what the footer suggests and file a bug report at = https://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues/, but that URL throws an error 500...= Huh! Thanks for that issue report, too! Fixed now. Best, Henrik > Lars >=20 >=20 >> On 2018-10-2, at 8:28, Lars Eggert wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> clicking "txt" in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eggert-irtf-rfc201= 4bis-04 takes on to the text version of the -03 revision. >>=20 >> Lars >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>=20 >> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org >> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb >> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >>=20 >> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at >> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues >> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 --8SlHhBCAw8lNB8wMKlu9m1mNQva2Q5NdO-- --QW9oK2xoHufFj9o5Af3B5SDqcNagQ0SjR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAlu0kScACgkQTptXS4+7 FxppXRAAhFmxc5Edu+45f9iEEiYxg9KeHzSee8l6D197l47fJY7eKS0sm8jloV/B GdaY4BsQFKmr2l7km+6hPJ9jpyCaCBi9CYF+cIk1xHI5WYi860rQQ12dKnYQsWat aHfG0SAk67t+IqregImiVZtQ2esJ78GZ667pkQMc+l/zJ4erTKjr0/meGjxRgY/d F27KK8XZLhRqH1gycKQeIq6PIIJ/wnV67SznrmhK9Zx21S5DDfuW4ig6BOINEGyS tSRdB/WtEQlWB123yr6PowCeVwCuBIBjV7BfvH9lf3feRdNtNOVgFAhMXbn6rWPl oGuq0TPsdKZ+XrW/DeVYQ2BfOwsahi3vy0dTXPxbWGQ6XrKyGtBn0NL/uhv+00x7 5lXClW2e4gV0/ea3a3cgqPGZRAP+zKDDx//ujoK4Uhaa9OQ1UlTcUanlYwe+c2Wl JPH8kTzQvhlanRqV4QmIIToKJ+ERowORQvy2OkZtauKsD5rc/VdfvuvXk7Ch2LN0 7+VPFmVScm9MA0xqss5MhHqBU8L3dAjb1+McmWqGNiMGCIp1WvZyY8nKW76g2UvN PU8tmfvlf5WoQXlABSHyBWxuKcQjYR6TI5xaba/gS0hu+YkLmyLU3DsOdcRIU5Z0 4ou0qIPKmsRcUhxyrdTj1Zudd7caVFLK9PNb6ra122Sl/AWXrrE= =zE9/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QW9oK2xoHufFj9o5Af3B5SDqcNagQ0SjR-- From nobody Thu Oct 4 09:58:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A06C130E5E for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 09:58:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.711 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.711 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=1.989, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wE5O9eZx4X1g for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 09:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9001:583::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD293130DD3 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 09:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0050095.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0050095.ppops.net-00190b01. 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tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69820129C6A for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:50:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ZGA8c9MXTSL for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF3FD130E94 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 10:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48D020090 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id E883A2362; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CDD2349 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:49:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] IETF upcoming / Interim Meeting calendar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 17:50:08 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain The IETF Upcoming calendar at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.ics includes all of the Interim meetings. This is really useful for planning (virtual) interim meetings, and it reduces the double-booking, and the like. I wouldn't mind if IAB/IESG telechats were in that list too, as it would remind people not to try to over-schedule their AD at that time, if they expect them to show up at a virtual interim meeting. HOWEVER, it also includes the entire schedule for IETF meetings as a individual entries. So, ironically, I want this calendar enabled, except during IETF meetings, when it's just noise... (There is also a calendar that just has the IETF meetings as a block. It's at: https://ietf.org/calendars/meetings/IETFmeetings.ics I've don't have it my calendar, since upcoming.ics repeats it all.) I wouldn't have a problem if it had one block in the upcoming.ics for IETF in-person meetings, but since we have IETFmeeting.ics, I'd prefer if we could filter the detail out of upcoming.ics. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlu7mLMACgkQgItw+93Q 3WUhnQf/cCIf94nPle4zZmarHn22p1YuJqk4LogFZPMnovB5Eh0VvYdGCfrmyG9Y c3BwciFY5g++NuJsV/D1/QTKagrVobZ+NItzIkximFzBzhKVFf+5SxeU3aqKxAC0 NQOTqV+pRnxmwZOiaf1f8n7kiGz/0vme8mrUUyAnqxwV/gEYEtjYokNBh/Atcgjl F4/+OHe3ANMH1tCULdiu030uYQaeIfFdSHJvTwOoDkQO7eW5pl80RLH6lhJCp7UK HzLkGIeI+tMUTc8o9h4GT4lncBY8yJ/ytBAm9XWs2t0qFN7W5LeczCjBDDHEnUhW R6ZHM0EVzhhuXXwefKWlUEswyJmOFw== =uVYv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Oct 22 11:53:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1567B128D0C; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 11:53:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mIWmS7CMauEP; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 11:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AD14128CB7; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 11:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357C620008; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 7DD062363; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF53235A; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:53:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: IETF Secretariat cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <154020853284.13969.16168753886859808934.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <154020853284.13969.16168753886859808934.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Expiration impending... during two week cut-off window X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 18:53:22 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IETF Secretariat wrote: > Expires: 2018-11-01 (in 1=C2=A0week, 2=C2=A0days) So my draft will expire during the two week window in which I can't repost it. Of course, I can post a new version now (which I've done, actually) But, I wonder if drafts just shouldn't expire during the blackout window? =2D- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlvOHJ4ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXqiwgAli7pU1u+p/1L8w2CbQOYkMwGG0bS47S6tRsLZrYEzu/SoAKQst6ZLQTr N6xsukYZy4TA8JuCFD+JGdl6y1AXSD1YJPFq6r8qMyorJUtjH5GA4TgWzcAiKmci GRuJ+pzqXZURcPeCv4S6Af3+d3+JGakvD3pHx3wo9HIsRgBaAXq8KonRYtDoOzJe cEu4tvn1ZMCBDJL9DtHsMQgcpMDFMnDpJ8equrvuMgmr8EHqqH5zM8amP8fg/mvS e91zQS8hkgCy54mSUEhOO6/j+XZbIGEpGwIYzbFo8/eZdqQ6ZEkvZ35PMUbDvupN FE+0StH45QcXnl83bq26yh+i0x2ZqQ== =k6ME -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Oct 22 11:58:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD64D128B14; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 11:58:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5ZNYV16MJEJZ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 11:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3986C1277C8; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 11:58:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost2.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c8:406a:91ff:fe74:f2b7]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w9MIwT0Y007078; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:58:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.114] (p54A6CA9F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.166.202.159]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42f5QF1fNFz1Bqf; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <7918.1540234398@localhost> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:58:28 +0200 Cc: IETF Secretariat , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 561927506.699798-82a8e41e071677209f10670bda4e843b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3D365A1A-6F0F-4DC2-AE7E-A6BBEA087EBC@tzi.org> References: <154020853284.13969.16168753886859808934.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7918.1540234398@localhost> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiration impending... during two week cut-off window X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 18:58:39 -0000 On Oct 22, 2018, at 20:53, Michael Richardson = wrote: >=20 > But, I wonder if drafts just shouldn't expire during the blackout = window? Right, but it would also be weird for the draft to then vanish = immediately at the start of the meeting. (I=E2=80=99m visualizing presenters talking about drafts =E2=80=9Cbut it = was there when I was flying here=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Oct 22 12:13:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57124130E64; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:13:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VnfFVueG6ymy; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6777130DE0; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-37-140.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([94.254.37.140]:53796 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1gEfe5-00058D-Uy; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:13:46 -0700 To: Carsten Bormann , Michael Richardson References: <154020853284.13969.16168753886859808934.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7918.1540234398@localhost> <3D365A1A-6F0F-4DC2-AE7E-A6BBEA087EBC@tzi.org> Cc: IETF Secretariat , tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <79b681a5-ed41-7385-60ac-a9d0e28fb5ad@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:13:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3D365A1A-6F0F-4DC2-AE7E-A6BBEA087EBC@tzi.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1T2kaouSEC8ngbEhWwqr90makKSAXQSrO" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 94.254.37.140 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, ietf-secretariat@ietf.org, mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, cabo@tzi.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiration impending... during two week cut-off window X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:13:58 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --1T2kaouSEC8ngbEhWwqr90makKSAXQSrO Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="cx5Rw1oaUTHiamXv7b1WA82RFmBDnXCli"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Carsten Bormann , Michael Richardson Cc: IETF Secretariat , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <79b681a5-ed41-7385-60ac-a9d0e28fb5ad@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiration impending... during two week cut-off window References: <154020853284.13969.16168753886859808934.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7918.1540234398@localhost> <3D365A1A-6F0F-4DC2-AE7E-A6BBEA087EBC@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <3D365A1A-6F0F-4DC2-AE7E-A6BBEA087EBC@tzi.org> --cx5Rw1oaUTHiamXv7b1WA82RFmBDnXCli Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2018-10-22 20:58, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Oct 22, 2018, at 20:53, Michael Richardson w= rote: >>=20 >> But, I wonder if drafts just shouldn't expire during the blackout wind= ow? >=20 > Right, but it would also be weird for the draft to then vanish immediat= ely at the start of the meeting. > (I=E2=80=99m visualizing presenters talking about drafts =E2=80=9Cbut i= t was there when I was flying here=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6) And it would make the online and offline behaviour of tools like xml2rfc different, since future draft submission cutoff dates would have to be fetched from an online resource, when calculating the expiry date. 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Of course, I can post a new version now > (which I've done, actually) So maybe the expiration impeding warnings should be sent two weeks = before the cut-off for all drafts expiring during moratorium. 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Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:29:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <154020853284.13969.16168753886859808934.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7918.1540234398@localhost> In-Reply-To: From: Warren Kumari Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:29:11 +0200 Message-ID: To: Carsten Bormann Cc: IETF Secretariat , Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002e73300578d6452b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiration impending... during two week cut-off window X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:29:33 -0000 --0000000000002e73300578d6452b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Or, you can: A: let it expire and just post a new one after the window reopens (there is no real downside to it being expired for a bit, it doesn=E2=80=99t become u= nadopted or anything like that) or B: send it to the secretariat and CC the relevant AD asking for override. W On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 9:24 PM Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Oct 22, 2018, at 20:53, Michael Richardson > wrote: > > > > IETF Secretariat wrote: > >> Expires: 2018-11-01 (in 1 week, 2 days) > > > > So my draft will expire during the two week window in which > > I can't repost it. Of course, I can post a new version now > > (which I've done, actually) > > So maybe the expiration impeding warnings should be sent two weeks before > the cut-off for all drafts expiring during moratorium. > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --0000000000002e73300578d6452b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Or, you can:
A: let it = expire and just post a new one after the window reopens (there is no real d= ownside to it being expired for a bit, it doesn=E2=80=99t become unadopted = or anything like that) or
B: send it to the secretar= iat and CC the relevant AD asking for override.

=
W

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 9:24 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
On Oct 22, 2018, at 20:53, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>= ; wrote:
>
> IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org> wrote:
>> Expires:=C2=A0 2018-11-01 (in 1 week, 2 days)
>
> So my draft will expire during the two week window in which
> I can't repost it.=C2=A0 Of course, I can post a new version now > (which I've done, actually)

So maybe the expiration impeding warnings should be sent two weeks before t= he cut-off for all drafts expiring during moratorium.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

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I don't think the execution is relev= ant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like pu= tting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having ch= osen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0---maf
--0000000000002e73300578d6452b-- From nobody Mon Oct 22 12:31:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8654912D4F1; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:31:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zHKBfEnpIiOF; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35CB11294D7; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:31:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost2.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.200.7]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w9MJVDZ6006274; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.114] (p54A6CA9F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.166.202.159]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42f6814ntkz1Bqf; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:31:13 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <02F02222-FE50-4225-89F1-8346DC483C45@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:31:12 +0200 Cc: Michael Richardson , IETF Secretariat , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 561929471.1892-ecb23d58b4f443e2de6c46e58140fce0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8004A492-0BC9-4112-BC42-3546F74E10DB@tzi.org> References: <154020853284.13969.16168753886859808934.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7918.1540234398@localhost> <02F02222-FE50-4225-89F1-8346DC483C45@gmail.com> To: Bob Hinden X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiration impending... during two week cut-off window X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:31:24 -0000 On Oct 22, 2018, at 21:26, Bob Hinden wrote: >=20 > Since they don=E2=80=99t really disappear (as far as I can tell), is = this an issue we need to fix? It means they are gone from searches in datatracker or tools.ietf.org, = which is bad in particular when preparing for a meeting. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Oct 22 13:20:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFD312D4F1; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:20:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GOIS0Hjzfx-z; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8338D12D4EA; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4695120008; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 16:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 9634A2363; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 16:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A7E22D5; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 16:20:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Carsten Bormann cc: IETF Secretariat , tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3D365A1A-6F0F-4DC2-AE7E-A6BBEA087EBC@tzi.org> References: <154020853284.13969.16168753886859808934.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7918.1540234398@localhost> <3D365A1A-6F0F-4DC2-AE7E-A6BBEA087EBC@tzi.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiration impending... during two week cut-off window X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:20:53 -0000 Carsten Bormann wrote: > Right, but it would also be weird for the draft to then vanish > immediately at the start of the meeting. > (I=E2=80=99m visualizing presenters talking about drafts =E2=80=9Cbut= it was there when > I was flying here=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6) That's more what I was thinking about. From nobody Mon Oct 22 13:24:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C569412F1A5 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:23:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id buqsDJ1FLbZw for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CFC1130E3F for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5254520008 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 16:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 9A2212363; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 16:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9856B22D5 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 16:23:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <8004A492-0BC9-4112-BC42-3546F74E10DB@tzi.org> References: <154020853284.13969.16168753886859808934.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7918.1540234398@localhost> <02F02222-FE50-4225-89F1-8346DC483C45@gmail.com> <8004A492-0BC9-4112-BC42-3546F74E10DB@tzi.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Expiration impending... during two week cut-off window X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 20:24:05 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {sorry for the CC to secretariat, we are all creating tickets} Carsten Bormann wrote: >> Since they don=E2=80=99t really disappear (as far as I can tell), is= this an >> issue we need to fix? > It means they are gone from searches in datatracker or tools.ietf.org, > which is bad in particular when preparing for a meeting. What I think should happen is that the datatracker, once it knows that the blackout is in effect, should simply internally bump the expiry date to the end of the meeting week. The generated draft can continue to have the today+6-month day in it, as it causes no harm. =2D- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlvOMdcACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXxHggAsCJkfo2lXQe56VqUDFbDQiMY275rGLYC8IhE1qXFNijR+VzX9ouLmfLg poRS/QeKkERSdLS3zBi1a6+HpCOmNxjYnYcmHN3TeVeFcQC25l21+Z/ayajb+DgO ghtCEdOYNtZ1cK3FF3MdWL5zH16qXEpOGg5pQQoKEq0gnSvITxNpk9WcdC2DE4NH 6OWxEwC2eaMaawtuokbb5+KgMUwMxFKf8RzF1HEJYNZ0uxyx0c+LKHHd58Fr7psO EhPG1zq2muRb5eBUNIMyY/hY/yfJx/fNyJd9jzi7Lt6LOBV3wjTysZMs1wI17xil EuDPOazo8cKtqqo2rrTwMvSf7dodPA== =WZYe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Oct 24 09:52:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37174130E23 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 09:52:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GXzIbolW0JJD for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 09:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1D1F126CB6 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 09:52:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost2.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.200.7]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w9OGqFDc020265 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:52:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from client-0194.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-0194.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42gGWg0sxZz1Bqf; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:52:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 562092732.704408-1a8908d1639c4f583f7169eeb115c307 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:52:14 +0200 Message-Id: To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Can=27t_search_for_=F0=9F=94=94_in_mai?= =?utf-8?q?l_archive?= X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:52:25 -0000 I just noticed that the mailarchive.ietf.org doesn=E2=80=99t allow me to = search for =F0=9F=94=94 It seems to act as if I hadn=E2=80=99t put in anything into the search = box. Now, =F0=9F=94=94 is an =E2=80=9Castral=E2=80=9D character (came to = unicode after 1990 or so), but that should not be a reason I can=E2=80=99t= search for it. (It also seems the search function doesn=E2=80=99t really return most of = what should be hits, but I=E2=80=99m still investigating that.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Thu Oct 25 00:25:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C77130E31 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 00:25:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cooperw.in header.b=MdH7gRrO; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=x/WXBR9/ Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qMlmeU3ynxgu for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 00:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA884130DE0 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 00:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F5121D39 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 03:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 25 Oct 2018 03:25:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h= from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :message-id:date:to; s=fm1; bh=beaL/L6/qXt2Q3Brv6NCyd9BB5l7QZzwb SzFTtiUAbw=; b=MdH7gRrOjPOL4Wzbw89HCjzelAp+GVi7Mwf/EP97LG8rQ5eHB Jv+G2xmtvBAnDlbO/bbWM3kz1urUIWpiVVcOTkf2E2JAND3B8rWuEnx1qEjgE74x RPR87LW8knh7As1uekXeU1XYEg8UaGFjNURQEWc4ubZ7z6e5RWTXMK4iCYAn8wmT 45XC+Rdhc8HcKNtoJOBkk8cPhskSMAOFOpxMAPLLdc0A/JN3U+JV0EyBvtKABnqY +dUO3TJTB7d50DxsWrXMYy7ZjwZ3EKfBkUmd9RCeZ2iVCqqsvPNQPrjpiVeC4Hyn Xu+hv9wPEeWzTGadhpRxbM2D5hkZBo5LLf78A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=beaL/L 6/qXt2Q3Brv6NCyd9BB5l7QZzwbSzFTtiUAbw=; b=x/WXBR9/NL+Kwy4pNGUyBw jlOIIgGCYZdIt4G0vWKB6A0BcITGWJM9VqFuG5A0tG2T047YskxrVce1+oWBCX9a EeDsIsdB74K/FoqvZk0/YY/0pnZe6FjfU7V/5aS0s54oihOaVhGl6LL6ZFTpaCzY 3CUy2ad8Cw4OKGgPNHz5Ls1X4NiAxAC5ALSiPRvW5ZKBLgP+sbR2EZMWNdem9Hxg c0Rcr9JYEcj7Gu9ZHDXSy4XJY3I6abolYOP8K7ri45ixrlsWj9D2GOU6NcoU8dX9 Ke9IFZgLEWWjSCByH/9KiQggxCvx2LHAUZ6kVJ6fTDUYcebz2NV1Lc3tmVJ4+L6g == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [10.82.174.167] (unknown [173.38.117.79]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 12D42102EA for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 03:25:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Alissa Cooper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 09:25:39 +0200 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] idnits bug re RFC2119/RFC8174 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 07:25:46 -0000 idnits seems to be issuing a warning about RFC 2119 for this document = even though it has the RFC 8174 boilerplate: = https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-r= egext-org-11.txt. Might be due to a line break in the boilerplate. Alissa= From nobody Thu Oct 25 04:10:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A76130DEB for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 04:10:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hNKf8l0-uERu for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 04:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DBC7130DE7 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 04:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-37-140.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([94.254.37.140]:55171 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1gFdWz-000120-IG; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 04:10:25 -0700 To: Alissa Cooper , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <12ed16fb-606a-7928-08b7-7e6dcd8626dd@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 13:10:11 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lpLflgbs7pqVnXxJGdAAOpWnlB35bAXRl" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 94.254.37.140 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, alissa@cooperw.in X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits bug re RFC2119/RFC8174 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:10:27 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --lpLflgbs7pqVnXxJGdAAOpWnlB35bAXRl Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="4GJC6mBaG2MODGoKpNgHgGAVOOvWhrAN8"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Alissa Cooper , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <12ed16fb-606a-7928-08b7-7e6dcd8626dd@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits bug re RFC2119/RFC8174 References: In-Reply-To: --4GJC6mBaG2MODGoKpNgHgGAVOOvWhrAN8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alissa, On 2018-10-25 09:25, Alissa Cooper wrote: > idnits seems to be issuing a warning about RFC 2119 for this document > even though it has the RFC 8174 boilerplate: > https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-iet= f-regext-org-11.txt. > Might be due to a line break in the boilerplate. No, the text used in draft-ietf-regext-org-11.txt does not match that giv= en in RFC 8174. The 8174 boilerplate mentions "NOT RECOMMENDED", this draft= does not. A minor point is also that the spacing doesn't match. I don't= recall how lenient I've made idnits with regards to boilerplate spacing, though. Henrik --4GJC6mBaG2MODGoKpNgHgGAVOOvWhrAN8-- --lpLflgbs7pqVnXxJGdAAOpWnlB35bAXRl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAlvRpJMACgkQTptXS4+7 FxpauhAAzCwI0q1JAlHtdXc5DVY5mu5SeamvSh/evowhJcja6OZIp8CV6u85MVk4 xawrPtXP8vi33oOKa/USpPh/mL75YKmEEDSJymJ+iGOkmofQDUMq1paAjI3ljd1l haji0MzSKSLQakGaPSm02P3V3pMp1IVjFqYBt0LE/wWa7Nw48pqG86I9A7B4XL47 og1NmiTbTBujhKyfWrlYSTbxZz5lKlxDacXbgeEdxYu47MpVL2N7gesGVLWI3uYE v1kTOAzyStyQ/sLn5ethz6jVIIpehA5hnzWWA9+uMX4cIDXeAdzx4yGMI3t6veYX qlJQbk/zxgrwrffdMVA0Ona/Ty/068U60+7aD+D9pyrBBq6qVh9ZiRrMaJXk50Wp LXivv2qYJ8CiJ+kfq++lowxCuXn5CwlUQXXJflWeWtr0+v4asNInNyjTdI91PDFG 7y3EWxY0Iv7RCStKuZUroOAqwJTjIBNm9rM/V5V9BvOIYeJSpCBj0WNsSejME/WW zrKGgNG8oGJ5He1jBDmID3xOZZd6lUyk3aTsCclezXp5BwvWcctxt8uadDzPoetx d2iW6f0LREPj3o1h5QtUAhv2/3rNb5bvXGsPD606JQpWzosFtaVgMNrwXDuHfKpq PmFzReBDztRhpBfasiowcGBZVfgUBG+018dHe4zW+wYDiIY4pDQ= =pPsO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lpLflgbs7pqVnXxJGdAAOpWnlB35bAXRl-- From nobody Thu Oct 25 06:18:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01599130E3E for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:18:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VOlI4hqJ_8rE for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70CA5130E27 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:18:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost2.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c8:406a:91ff:fe74:f2b7]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w9PDHrOr000541; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:17:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.114] (p54A6CA9F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.166.202.159]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42gnjs4BxDz1Bqf; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:17:53 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <12ed16fb-606a-7928-08b7-7e6dcd8626dd@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:17:52 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 562166271.083341-6482c94524e658e82c9bf96cd1dfb6b1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3C27369D-6E7B-4AE9-A642-551F913FFD97@tzi.org> References: <12ed16fb-606a-7928-08b7-7e6dcd8626dd@levkowetz.com> To: Alissa Cooper , "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits bug re RFC2119/RFC8174 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 13:18:08 -0000 Point of potential interest: If you are using kramdown-rfc2629, use {::boilerplate bcp14} to get the exact text from RFC 8174 plus the two reference entries in = one swoop. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On Oct 25, 2018, at 13:10, Henrik Levkowetz = wrote: >=20 > Signed PGP part > Hi Alissa, >=20 > On 2018-10-25 09:25, Alissa Cooper wrote: >> idnits seems to be issuing a warning about RFC 2119 for this document >> even though it has the RFC 8174 boilerplate: >> = https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-r= egext-org-11.txt. >> Might be due to a line break in the boilerplate. >=20 > No, the text used in draft-ietf-regext-org-11.txt does not match that = given > in RFC 8174. The 8174 boilerplate mentions "NOT RECOMMENDED", this = draft > does not. A minor point is also that the spacing doesn't match. I = don't > recall how lenient I've made idnits with regards to boilerplate = spacing, > though. >=20 >=20 > Henrik >=20 >=20 >=20