From nobody Mon Apr 1 08:37:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8A3120119 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:37:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.679 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.679 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id asGlop1FKYrf for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88C8E12018C for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x31FbFMo086660 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Apr 2019 10:37:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554133037; bh=Njpaq7fUUUOJJfD8dfJZSt83IaTnfeB/jttgpcVCCD8=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=OJXecRhAjJb8RWnDbAIhntLtsUpxELXulv+oHoCgoUo1ofPLlSs+RHaOj+PsOT0FE AH5vI7I2DHC07YDQfuvmVFIMg22p5D6Q6owNCS8sGB4w6WYa5UHcQ2vgdbk43TilgI 4XBZAeaz1fZa7OeX2vhF/HelJc2LyWULGtzfGZvE= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: S Moonesamy , Russ Housley , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <6.2.5.6.2.20190331092923.0c953848@elandnews.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20190331100437.0ba594b0@elandnews.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 10:37:14 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20190331100437.0ba594b0@elandnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Replacement status set during I-D submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 15:37:37 -0000 I suspect the problem you ran into was pasting "draft-klensin-recal-rev-00" into the replaces field in the submission form (which will not work). Others have run into that, and there is an outstanding ticket to improve the way the form behaves. See What would have worked was "draft-klensin-recal-rev". The most recent codesprint added more documentation to the field to help others avoid that problem. I think the control still could use more work to make it less likely that others run afoul of this. For this draft, you can send a note to the secretariat asking them to add the replaces relationship. RjS On 3/31/19 12:12 PM, S Moonesamy wrote: > Hi Russ, > At 09:57 AM 31-03-2019, Russ Housley wrote: >> If only the rev number is changing, the "replaces" should not be >> used.  The "replaces" is used to indicate an older file name, and it >> is most commonly used to indicate that an individual draft has been >> adopted by a WG. > > Thanks for the explanation.  I attempted a "Replaces" for > draft-klensin-recall-rev-00.   Does the datatracker cater for that > given that the two drafts are not WG documents? > > Regards, > S. Moonesamy > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Mon Apr 1 08:50:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD3112029F for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:50:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=opendkim.org header.b=b2jjHi4l; dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=elandsys.com header.b=Z7h90n3G Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WzjhHAzJa1pu for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299D61202A0 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DESKTOP-K6V9C2L.elandsys.com ([197.224.146.21]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id x31Fo4OG014572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:50:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1554133815; x=1554220215; bh=9tE1xYafo2xyCYEGQ2TXeHNuYAQ526WCz1z0nDi9N3U=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=b2jjHi4lD3q7bFLo+MoWenXtBucgi+oiSE4jOxdqaIcaiALODc+QrBouHFJxUJoJO 7Mz1WgxwG347wVssTdmz+X84mhmGIWAZlsDgilBBSKtd5dIZ1FjJWfT/lyPr5/mVcE FJaayhPREIzE25aw3HiQVu8tm2jOc63rZcfP3czk= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1554133815; x=1554220215; i=@elandsys.com; bh=9tE1xYafo2xyCYEGQ2TXeHNuYAQ526WCz1z0nDi9N3U=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=Z7h90n3GyDIpOy1iKWpdUFbS6qBoU00s8fO1f+50bBFTJ/YuUeJLZuscHNv4BxvYN GlsCOK5gSO+mXH2eGT5ulyDZeAj1dExhdZK6YGiDj8tpq4ckyQ46PyvF3nzSjxJmiC AmKpB6lEQ67OpckCUHohvR2afcgYoapfwbenar3w= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20190401084312.0d1bbe18@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 08:49:48 -0700 To: Robert Sparks , tools-discuss@ietf.org From: S Moonesamy In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20190331092923.0c953848@elandnews.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20190331100437.0ba594b0@elandnews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Replacement status set during I-D submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 15:50:38 -0000 Hi Robert, At 08:37 AM 01-04-2019, Robert Sparks wrote: >I suspect the problem you ran into was pasting >"draft-klensin-recal-rev-00" into the replaces field in the >submission form (which will not work). Others have run into that, Yes. > and there is an outstanding ticket to improve the way the form > behaves. See Thanks for the URL. >What would have worked was "draft-klensin-recal-rev". > >The most recent codesprint added more documentation to the field to >help others avoid that problem. Ok. >I think the control still could use more work to make it less likely >that others run afoul of this. > >For this draft, you can send a note to the secretariat asking them >to add the replaces relationship. I'll do that. Regards, S. Moonesamy From nobody Sat Apr 6 09:43:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1DB1201A9 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 09:43:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JVwDFo9f2P4p for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 09:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EE1B12008F for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 09:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from client-0121.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-0121.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 44c2Z63nxmzytY; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 18:43:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 576261817.207726-b591d8ae15e529de80adad359e72b8d1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 18:43:41 +0200 Message-Id: To: tools-discuss X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.16.02 feedback: -latest pattern X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 16:43:47 -0000 Idnits should recognize the -latest pattern that Martin Thomson=E2=80=99s = template uses and turn these four messages into one (or maybe even fix = the fourth, because that very much can be figured out based on the = pattern): Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten Checking nits according to = https://www.ietf.org/id-info/1id-guidelines.txt: = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- ** Missing revision: the document name given in the document, 'draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct-latest', does not give the document revision number ~~ Missing draftname component: the document name given in the = document, 'draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct-latest', does not seem to contain all = the document name components required ('draft' prefix, document source, document name, and revision) -- see https://www.ietf.org/id-info/guidelines#naming for more = information. =3D=3D Mismatching filename: the document gives the document name as 'draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct-latest', but the file name used is 'draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct' Miscellaneous warnings: = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- =3D=3D Couldn't figure out when the document was first submitted -- = there may comments or warnings related to the use of a disclaimer for = pre-RFC5378 work that could not be issued because of this. Please check the = Legal Provisions document at https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info to = determine if you need the pre-RFC5378 disclaimer. From nobody Sat Apr 6 09:58:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AC7120340 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 09:58:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z3Vd2k73altx for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 09:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C6CD12006E for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 09:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:51776 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hCoe7-0004ch-RK; Sat, 06 Apr 2019 09:58:24 -0700 To: Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss References: From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <9cb9e6e2-a35e-3668-a1b6-7218c34a31f3@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 18:58:04 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uCxaQE19gvpE9B1BiU2P7iUWbSGwUnLw4" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, cabo@tzi.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.16.02 feedback: -latest pattern X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 16:58:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --uCxaQE19gvpE9B1BiU2P7iUWbSGwUnLw4 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="VAgJLMvrvRAWaw8b9i8ie4qHoTbUgNIjq"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss Message-ID: <9cb9e6e2-a35e-3668-a1b6-7218c34a31f3@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.16.02 feedback: -latest pattern References: In-Reply-To: --VAgJLMvrvRAWaw8b9i8ie4qHoTbUgNIjq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2019-04-06 18:43, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Idnits should recognize the -latest pattern that Martin Thomson=E2=80=99= s > template uses and turn these four messages into one (or maybe even > fix the fourth, because that very much can be figured out based on > the pattern): I don't see that from the information given. 1) If idnits was made more permissive to accept these, and they actually= occurred in a submitted document by mistake, they would not be flagge= d 2) I don't see why idnits should be run on something which hasn't been processed all the way through to exact submission state, which seems = to be what's happening here -- if the processing pipeline is able to pro= duce something ready for submission, why is idnits run on something else? Regards, Henrik > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 >=20 > Checking nits according to https://www.ietf.org/id-info/1id-guideline= s.txt: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- >=20 > ** Missing revision: the document name given in the document, > 'draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct-latest', does not give the document > revision number >=20 > ~~ Missing draftname component: the document name given in the docume= nt, > 'draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct-latest', does not seem to contain al= l the > document name components required ('draft' prefix, document source= , > document name, and revision) -- see > https://www.ietf.org/id-info/guidelines#naming for more informatio= n. >=20 > =3D=3D Mismatching filename: the document gives the document name as > 'draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct-latest', but the file name used is > 'draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct' >=20 > Miscellaneous warnings: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- >=20 > =3D=3D Couldn't figure out when the document was first submitted -- t= here may > comments or warnings related to the use of a disclaimer for pre-RF= C5378 > work that could not be issued because of this. Please check the L= egal > Provisions document at https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info to de= termine > if you need the pre-RFC5378 disclaimer. >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 --VAgJLMvrvRAWaw8b9i8ie4qHoTbUgNIjq-- --uCxaQE19gvpE9B1BiU2P7iUWbSGwUnLw4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAlyo2p0ACgkQTptXS4+7 Fxrmbw//RUpkNfU0xri1iy7yvbDg7peIR3v1UQgwt7cZ4gUs6HTJPEuDZC+HKVTO GLJdOTV7pDsOIy0l6BB6vww+D0dzsoJ/qp8NRkN/K4Q8yoNWCTfk5MhTtWuXUUsK +wg9Rw1db0pYYLWIKPXwut0l6TF+VcuvvumnxkywAOkdwxpXwv/NL+JrV2fpUFGt WPXTZQ6Sv3qXSyqBCdBvNTpcBUKQ/TW22M1iYdM6kNfRVJKOuoRMJjsVC0F9sWnt OqmCZ+M4VIu3NNsGaaYGsHk2VA1dU/eHi21pWPatUg1TzRdnKcRQEfkkTLcKkaEN gpIhEOOmtOXK0AqV9Np8LvAnDtiAhLdzx6WvyqiOAGJLv0x13WxH+BKcB8I/+FE+ rpfuEAZ/lgUsVKy3XJvaSnv+zXUhv1Jf+rDuGfCSB1C6kxRFM0s0c4tjhok3g4TR NHj08htjl6ScSPiFi1gDGhIM1qzllth1SDhrElrOsx+6gLGxU3TJUZg7EHuI3wPL bCafqLY8naoEIr8lga1NbXxHSlYCsQJodw/sTOZDYfQqYvXEjKndhj+5+AoLT1St NVyq2CiL+w8QEnahTIt+fd8DlmzatTpf7ntZGkRHS2g6lyXx8hqaecMZn3urZrLX egir3gcy24eUt2GKruJ3JlIJd7VkOzBkITeIQlg+2Osui13m+U8= =UA9m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uCxaQE19gvpE9B1BiU2P7iUWbSGwUnLw4-- From nobody Sat Apr 6 10:04:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C1112033B for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 10:03:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xl3zZ5ivEV3Q for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 10:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 793391201A9 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 10:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from client-0121.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-0121.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 44c31Q37bqzyvm; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 19:03:54 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <9cb9e6e2-a35e-3668-a1b6-7218c34a31f3@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 19:03:53 +0200 Cc: tools-discuss X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 576263032.05538-51076adf7ec606515dcb585cb6c322a1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3B668D02-D24F-40D3-88F4-554C145FAE08@tzi.org> References: <9cb9e6e2-a35e-3668-a1b6-7218c34a31f3@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.16.02 feedback: -latest pattern X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 17:03:58 -0000 On Apr 6, 2019, at 18:58, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >=20 > Hi Carsten, >=20 > On 2019-04-06 18:43, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> Idnits should recognize the -latest pattern that Martin Thomson=E2=80=99= s >> template uses and turn these four messages into one (or maybe even >> fix the fourth, because that very much can be figured out based on >> the pattern): >=20 > I don't see that from the information given. >=20 > 1) If idnits was made more permissive to accept these, and they = actually > occurred in a submitted document by mistake, they would not be = flagged They would be, in one message instead of four (that all need to be = actively ignored by a human each time an idnits check is made). > 2) I don't see why idnits should be run on something which hasn't been > processed all the way through to exact submission state, which = seems to > be what's happening here -- if the processing pipeline is able to = produce > something ready for submission, why is idnits run on something = else? Because it is expedient. Documents spend most of their time in the = -latest stage; doing a quick kdrfc/idnits is a good thing to do after = not having touched a document for a couple of weeks. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Sat Apr 6 10:04:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98A3120340 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 10:04:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bbpcN2-PKl5e for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 10:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (69-77-154-174.static.skybest.com [69.77.154.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 083FA12006E for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 10:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.25.146] (69-77-155-155.static.skybest.com [69.77.155.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AA86C2C60F; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 13:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) From: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 13:04:11 -0400 Cc: tools-discuss Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Carsten Bormann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.16.02 feedback: -latest pattern X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 17:04:17 -0000 I would be in favor of the submission process assigning a number based = on previous state. New documents get -00 and subsequent versions are = assigned the next revision number. That way, the document doesn=E2=80=99t = have to specify a version number. Tom > On Apr 6, 2019, at 12:43 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > Idnits should recognize the -latest pattern that Martin Thomson=E2=80=99= s template uses and turn these four messages into one (or maybe even fix = the fourth, because that very much can be figured out based on the = pattern): >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 >=20 > Checking nits according to = https://www.ietf.org/id-info/1id-guidelines.txt: > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >=20 > ** Missing revision: the document name given in the document, > 'draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct-latest', does not give the document > revision number >=20 > ~~ Missing draftname component: the document name given in the = document, > 'draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct-latest', does not seem to contain = all the > document name components required ('draft' prefix, document = source, > document name, and revision) -- see > https://www.ietf.org/id-info/guidelines#naming for more = information. >=20 > =3D=3D Mismatching filename: the document gives the document name as > 'draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct-latest', but the file name used is > 'draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct' >=20 > Miscellaneous warnings: > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >=20 > =3D=3D Couldn't figure out when the document was first submitted -- = there may > comments or warnings related to the use of a disclaimer for = pre-RFC5378 > work that could not be issued because of this. Please check the = Legal > Provisions document at https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info to = determine > if you need the pre-RFC5378 disclaimer. >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Sat Apr 6 11:35:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B85F12007C for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kmGOPimf5qTY for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 260D712007A for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 11:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from client-0075.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-0075.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 44c52x0NdNzyZg; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 20:35:21 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 20:35:20 +0200 Cc: tools-discuss X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 576268518.590238-c79bcdf2c175b31d19fcbdc596d07b99 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <32B80C58-CD9E-4137-9E58-6719F1B57307@tzi.org> References: To: Tom Pusateri X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Idnits-2.16.02 feedback: -latest pattern X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 18:35:25 -0000 On Apr 6, 2019, at 19:04, Tom Pusateri wrote: >=20 > I would be in favor of the submission process assigning a number based = on previous state. New documents get -00 and subsequent versions are = assigned the next revision number. That way, the document doesn=E2=80=99t = have to specify a version number. The current scheme is a little more resilient in the face of co-author = confusion of who is supposed to submit. If this were less of a real = problem, I=E2=80=99d probably agree that maintaining that version number = by hand is a bit of busywork I don=E2=80=99t really need. But then, = I=E2=80=99d need to backport the assigned version number to my source = revision control=E2=80=A6 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Tue Apr 9 17:05:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B939B120496 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 17:05:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mnot.net header.b=pWmKTbUK; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=yrW/PcYz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vq02klInQhxm for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 17:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB40B1200B6 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 17:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313FC2FF for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 19:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 09 Apr 2019 19:58:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mnot.net; h=from :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :message-id:date:to; s=fm2; bh=fcNftjATeCMiAJFD10A9vwQNAzxRSWu9o tI4LpvbIwM=; b=pWmKTbUKH3ph9nACbBhixJD7+JbmIhP80C6ALv9JxPEZyHvOu aEQ8Iu8qc7UFduVwhgqqNC6MJcyWWfijYDDLgJPO/ZeFneKN2/K/Uc0HLBNFkrmE 6VhAO0Z0BlGfoYg8l6E9n6hMVlGEbfy/UCQ3KR3kS22eZfZMRGBKF+x0gqouiGz2 oVfNPUPLt1zgSJwTpv2G6IYv2Lbqe7bTW5BBjM8fzfHClY7i6yMpAwWmI/jDYD5/ EqEZzH4w2sqwxLIP7R7c/KDHkUh7RCuuHgnebgR/JOi9fNXHuSj7lIOilkoIshKw prmcw3Wa4U9LO0Fwx797JbX7XN2PS6lt0tX8Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=fcNftj ATeCMiAJFD10A9vwQNAzxRSWu9otI4LpvbIwM=; b=yrW/PcYzNSqnyeZQfE1jUx wXi02wOi/31ngz7bMNDG2WT9JKykiKmrPfzzyovRqCQr6EiT1mzA7KC2r9HxgU34 WtpvLRvsnqtdNHuMfdoNowFTGxO8wADCU8+dBqAE673bgLuVrZOml7DqDyWEXB1B ApS6hwrUtJv/0JzZ1ww6E4f0XbCVF7gUb2gT8AL0WGexdUX4Aw2Tu9arcds1mIfy MD9yQ0/KkEJ5NgRH7DTLLOnEjkLZjyNOOwaBVBd8WVbHRjOY/gfiHY8iWEhMUwn0 s3YkFWWo/d34sPPKRbkGBPhc09zX8Oi8MHBk7te5W9s/Ewo3Z5J/2Dj4obpEo5lA == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduuddrudeigddvjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephfgtgfgguffkfffvofesthhqmhdthh dtvdenucfhrhhomhepofgrrhhkucfpohhtthhinhhghhgrmhcuoehmnhhothesmhhnohht rdhnvghtqeenucffohhmrghinhepihgvthhfrdhorhhgpdhmnhhothdrnhgvthenucfkph epudeggedrudefiedrudejhedrvdeknecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmnhho thesmhhnohhtrdhnvghtnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Received: from attitudadjuster.mnot.net (unknown [144.136.175.28]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B32EA1039F for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 19:58:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Nottingham Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:58:38 +1000 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Draft name prefixes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 00:05:44 -0000 Hi all, Could we add a link to = to the top of ? Or maybe = . I think this would help new authors who aren't aware of those resources. 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There is a lot of noise on that page. I wonder if it makes sense to cut that down to the bare essentials. New submitters don't need to know about the API, for example. There is an "Instructions" "tab". On Wed, Apr 10, 2019, at 10:05, Mark Nottingham wrote: > Hi all, > > Could we add a link to > to the top of ? Or maybe > . > > I think this would help new authors who aren't aware of those resources. > > Cheers, > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > From nobody Wed Apr 10 15:21:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120CE1202EE for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 15:21:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YoH3uKqk4YfR for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 15:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi1-x22b.google.com (mail-oi1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DEF512024F for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 15:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id x188so3170864oia.13 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 15:21:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:mime-version:subject:message-id:date:to; bh=MAPZgTxNkvvkZZRES4EUcCj12neqt1H94WOU6nH36Cc=; b=Vp4xIt0uK92Svu9FDd9FSkp8MvnSvd/t4tBMlPnF+TmQeVXQE4JaI0QX8jcqCUq7TX cYFlZpSRUI5jbtdqhOuyJ5ZxeO6GlqrD5R9arEvHFJ2bh7fbIhp6tsHv3ALVxG11+itN OY1Rj+YpPVuZfSJ9mhzBDlnBZztGLpgB2Btu5TXV9vC1kvcKV/Egu6d4FcgCEjtM6JSe khWJrJMkaOL1ef3qMDD9hUq41AVvQEio93DApIGh5eJCVi8rjbe6wiejKaMxYlWj7oVA tvcNZ3GRo+3AuVF5siHo5y8SW++7+P57+juzRsapFhTs8dHdIViKLzNL8esnCRPkauIZ KyPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:message-id:date:to; bh=MAPZgTxNkvvkZZRES4EUcCj12neqt1H94WOU6nH36Cc=; b=cPVmwK3rDByQWOZIqLfUByETpaz1Ug28CEJXW4XrBRVqqMo/bTKidVJtRTT6UnXhCF WNFxDvwntw74F8MNWnJZGqt8kSspTxFR+WXabKuIsRbt4ZOzc8Fh5uW64KSKhsqxkasy RtwoGyxsq+/92Lw/1aXrKaJQTqlU6ke5KTDMPDzA7X7RlSZ1Q2/Mh2R+WjgqRDfuumRY liKWNFAX/j06jtwWJ+oUT90LiSUab0QjGNmlDVI5YpeQYXG8Oq0ic9b1lvVq0dQ4C04t qyP5RarB3yJbVX9klO7+36b+Wx1kHko0kGoKrbyUmrqvpHdtuINR5ucAgkJUZSiExeki y2yA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXbU3euRvXiVgNx6h4rHYhD99lm6vSSzRVYRFDA/WuY9d1htOIV Q9c+4U91e5l4gzYXhH899hwVxRK0 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzYBIW72Adee8viCxjQbo9ujxLqVXEJOzuY1BtiLPrg28FC0AuPX3Gh81SUlivK+GegOQYHpA== X-Received: by 2002:aca:a88c:: with SMTP id r134mr4209305oie.139.1554934905618; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 15:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:8802:5600:164::1002? ([2600:8802:5600:164::1002]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v123sm14774727oie.25.2019.04.10.15.21.43 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Apr 2019 15:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Baker Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2AF40050-E201-4FC0-B99F-540C397FC42D"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Message-Id: <06B7BDDD-E9E2-4602-B372-DDA3CA5A9C16@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 15:21:39 -0700 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Looking for a clue X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 22:21:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2AF40050-E201-4FC0-B99F-540C397FC42D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have had a problem with XMLMind on my laptop, and spent some time with = Warren on that this morning. It turned out that I needed to reinstall = the application from scratch. Now I have a different problem. When I go to xml2rfc.ietf.org to try to compile the XML output, it tells = me that it is Using = XML_LIBRARY=3D/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml= :/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml2:/home/www/t= ools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml3:/home/www/tools.ietf.or= g/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml4:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2= rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml5:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/publ= ic/rfc/bibxml6:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxm= l7:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml8 However, I have historically had a copy of the library on my computer, = and in my .bash_profile have export PATH=3D~/bin:$PATH set XML_LIBRARY=3D/Users/fred/In-Progress/XML_Library Historically, it has used the library on my laptop. Anyone have an idea = why it might be different now? Why would the tool override the = configuration that I have been using since xml2rfc was created? --Apple-Mail=_2AF40050-E201-4FC0-B99F-540C397FC42D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEctjlJjQmVrp9uMq7EhdRnd2GP+AFAlyubHMACgkQEhdRnd2G P+D0ThAAwnMsEpN2Fpg2uX2SyeA3ow31O1DXy/NmO6fMklp+tIr7brS8aaOkwkna T/ydjS74CN2PPk2BD0Ncw2WKB+Mnk3tLCxGbZUjnwfdWGmr55SxsaMmbLvb29KnX Y7kz7Y/vhv4gCxYkxa0oIYpBIpW9HjfMUUgQ5fkIiBfC6XzQAc5wNhLM1JZGtWni kEzEo2uWt6j7fpk87RbMY0F5YNoTUqWwuG8u/Ly4RAKmRyoTyR2QDffd3t04B1l7 qhzwfISQYfBFRpiLfVCS6aUEcGsRqm9G0bMcIHWHAl1eUNJpm1Tt+OHxsf0OPp1E Dxm5obSOew0M2+xQCMnlgWtzswnVGTboN8yUhEVwdOtZ5MGbnG/CoTiHixu+JFT/ ++RpvSWT4CGqFLRg0V/M2uk3Cd8JafqMZ5sumLlPsuWdLH5/vUTxmjT9MX+xXoSW cN06870CsWQVxgymbVLYmLrRpIbwj73RWEs168T1IylBJRj2tiBhTg6hlUlN/Tia CskDxRk8HWOKmO4gul20Jhjn12nPq/7l3Ip9/cVZsM1H1tYNhqorLFmFt4mues2K N+I2mkMsMANYUJVcO9a1svi8Jho0oAjamwk6wIxdphrtuwBk8mgW++7ZCJyMjKbw kIi9gnt7I0mTlL+7kziwSttXWyoC8DseyJJtzTzDvtjFN0SiL5s= =atA4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_2AF40050-E201-4FC0-B99F-540C397FC42D-- From nobody Thu Apr 11 10:55:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC8B1205F8 for ; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Draft name prefixes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:55:00 -0000 On Tue 2019-04-09 22:47:45 -0400, Martin Thomson wrote: > Maybe with an "If this is your first Internet-Draft submission" around it. > > There is a lot of noise on that page. I wonder if it makes sense to > cut that down to the bare essentials. New submitters don't need to > know about the API, for example. There is an "Instructions" "tab". It's almost as if that page was written as though it were an RFC :P It appears to think of itself as a reference, not a tutorial or a howto. Fwiw, i agree with Martin that taking a vicious editor's knife to that and figuring out the most important stuff in a much simpler and shorter document would make it more useful to a first-timer audience. (doesn't mean there's no place for a reference, of course). I also note that https://www.ietf.org/standards/ids/guidelines/#6 says: It is strongly recommended that the draft include a notice (with email address) of where comments should be sent. For example: "Comments are solicited and should be addressed to the working group's mailing list at ___@______ and/or the author(s)." And yet, it's not clear how to send edits to this 9-year-old document itself (it could use at least some http→https fixes in 2019). --dkg From nobody Thu Apr 11 13:13:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466BA120103 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:13:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xi7vua1KRuDS for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B3091201CB for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.106] (p54A6CE73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.166.206.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 44gBzw45P8zycV; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 22:13:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 576706409.981541-513e5f686ef160cba2216a41e0fd2cc9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 22:13:31 +0200 Message-Id: <71796682-C554-41DC-8529-DA8B20578C40@tzi.org> To: tools-discuss X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] DMARC handling default for IETF mailing lists? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 20:13:36 -0000 I just configured a mailing list and noticed that the configuration = selection Replace the From: header address with the list's posting address to = mitigate issues stemming from the original From: domain's DMARC or = similar policies.=20 (Details for from_is_list) No Munge From Wrap Message defaulted to =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D. Does the list admin have to set this = to =E2=80=9CMunge From=E2=80=9D manually? (We don=E2=80=99t want to do that with known DMARC-bad source addresses, = I believe.) Or does =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D mean =E2=80=9CMunge, if needed=E2=80=9D? Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Thu Apr 11 13:17:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88E81201CB for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:17:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CC9UxTNtSOUo for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CA84120103 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.106] (p54A6CE73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.166.206.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 44gC4B008Vzyhl; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 22:17:13 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <71796682-C554-41DC-8529-DA8B20578C40@tzi.org> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 22:17:13 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 576706631.736395-333440251d5cb01563e7af744212ed18 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <237BAC89-85A1-497E-8C4D-EB8345482DF1@tzi.org> References: <71796682-C554-41DC-8529-DA8B20578C40@tzi.org> To: tools-discuss X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] DMARC handling default for IETF mailing lists? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 20:17:17 -0000 On Apr 11, 2019, at 22:13, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > (We don=E2=80=99t want to do that with known DMARC-bad source = addresses, I believe.) Make that (We don=E2=80=99t want to do that except for known DMARC-bad source = addresses, I believe.) (Where =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=9D is From-Address munging.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Thu Apr 11 14:28:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855C112016A for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:28:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fzSdUREJYXwg for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 064561200A2 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [86.58.145.69] (port=52395 helo=[10.0.3.20]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hEhEv-0002zE-DU; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:28:09 -0700 To: Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss References: <71796682-C554-41DC-8529-DA8B20578C40@tzi.org> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <72c680ca-9b2a-8e6d-b6d6-501b2ec4cda2@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 23:28:02 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <71796682-C554-41DC-8529-DA8B20578C40@tzi.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="b4VHJNlrR6L1ljJFtBLlskBC2lDNeJn0V" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 86.58.145.69 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, cabo@tzi.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] DMARC handling default for IETF mailing lists? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 21:28:13 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --b4VHJNlrR6L1ljJFtBLlskBC2lDNeJn0V Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="xLJmuvnSXNUa9Eq2ux8j5UQIEwWKErm86"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss Message-ID: <72c680ca-9b2a-8e6d-b6d6-501b2ec4cda2@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] DMARC handling default for IETF mailing lists? References: <71796682-C554-41DC-8529-DA8B20578C40@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <71796682-C554-41DC-8529-DA8B20578C40@tzi.org> --xLJmuvnSXNUa9Eq2ux8j5UQIEwWKErm86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2019-04-11 22:13, Carsten Bormann wrote: > I just configured a mailing list and noticed that the configuration sel= ection >=20 >=20 > Replace the From: header address with the list's posting address to mit= igate issues stemming from the original From: domain's DMARC or similar p= olicies.=20 > (Details for from_is_list) > No Munge From Wrap Message >=20 >=20 > defaulted to =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D. Does the list admin have to set thi= s to =E2=80=9CMunge From=E2=80=9D manually? > (We don=E2=80=99t want to do that with known DMARC-bad source addresses= , I believe.) > Or does =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D mean =E2=80=9CMunge, if needed=E2=80=9D? I believe 'No' means "Don't Munge", and given that we are running a separ= ate DMARC workaround, I believe this should not be set by default. If you se= t it, things should still work, but you'll replace our default DMARC workar= ound with the Mailman approach. We're still hoping to be able to deploy ARC, which should be better than = both the current default workaround and the Mailman workaround. Best regards, Henrik >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 --xLJmuvnSXNUa9Eq2ux8j5UQIEwWKErm86-- --b4VHJNlrR6L1ljJFtBLlskBC2lDNeJn0V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAlyvsWIACgkQTptXS4+7 FxqmMxAA1j+jVsKAunfZvWW1FIS0zKn/rN1lBkxQ07xzAt1PMvZAT/SzCp61+wlm rqZKW3aQ2KpWlK6UAAHd4iPeWMy0PLVDvrN0G8Fq3jmoktkGReCubmscom8ql7Se jzDoVAMtyEIpH5DtcjZPmmRN7O1Qeo+zY/QaraLJAwH0bcOGspvC0tahZxrDW+14 l3R+67RsHAkbvPTZk6O9g/i9Fi3N3Y7jBHFIdSlaP1BL8K9iBVWz+vzsfeT5uKkj zvzUaPycLk+wCYHGyMxYA9tXSf5vAmbIE0/94ERV7ZrGTSi7KhngPacXYr6sh5M0 UvL79Wj5/xF4eryrqfE1xEcFlxw4tpQBkhki3OGdMyS/2qf+FLPn29StFyHrFLXg unzkil+NQengIrp1rn95+2ypDWWAC9ccm1DpZxtd4JCFKekpVXDLqifKU+Vck/3h CZmCYtMGsS0Qgk0UUFtgS1W6Awj1ZXOCys0yOBuCs+tyu6v1khZqVQNFIjIj3Aqt r90mJ8T6aVzzfvh2sIaO353yoM60+E5OTBb/EfnIwLwNufWUXM5/hnhKO1mIky9Y WJf0qCYTLrh9poglCENEMfx4ArIy3k5Rg0v9ziQll+rzKLNeXYixrldBRe2g5I++ KW3mpjdANjRPCnEMotV84MXWDNwkSrY6X1/zPKV/AB0djq6uhqw= =E03l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --b4VHJNlrR6L1ljJFtBLlskBC2lDNeJn0V-- From nobody Thu Apr 11 14:58:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D8212015A for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:58:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kI6DoeJ1anZ2 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F3B212060C for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.106] (p54A6CE73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.166.206.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 44gFJv25G6zySQ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 23:58:23 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <72c680ca-9b2a-8e6d-b6d6-501b2ec4cda2@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 23:58:22 +0200 Cc: tools-discuss X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 576712700.424914-b0795612e05493ea4f2f22fdbece4644 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <16F668DC-8697-45C9-993F-FCEC27CE73B4@tzi.org> References: <71796682-C554-41DC-8529-DA8B20578C40@tzi.org> <72c680ca-9b2a-8e6d-b6d6-501b2ec4cda2@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] DMARC handling default for IETF mailing lists? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 21:58:29 -0000 Hi Henrik, > On Apr 11, 2019, at 23:28, Henrik Levkowetz = wrote: >=20 > Signed PGP part > Hi Carsten, >=20 > On 2019-04-11 22:13, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> I just configured a mailing list and noticed that the configuration = selection >>=20 >>=20 >> Replace the From: header address with the list's posting address to = mitigate issues stemming from the original From: domain's DMARC or = similar policies.=20 >> (Details for from_is_list) >> No Munge From Wrap Message >>=20 >>=20 >> defaulted to =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D. Does the list admin have to set = this to =E2=80=9CMunge From=E2=80=9D manually? >> (We don=E2=80=99t want to do that with known DMARC-bad source = addresses, I believe.) >> Or does =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D mean =E2=80=9CMunge, if needed=E2=80=9D? >=20 > I believe 'No' means "Don't Munge", and given that we are running a = separate > DMARC workaround, I believe this should not be set by default. =20 Ah, thank you. > If you set > it, things should still work, but you'll replace our default DMARC = workaround > with the Mailman approach. Don=E2=80=99t want to do that. So maybe the prompt in the config section could have a sentence of the = form =E2=80=9CDon=E2=80=99t enable this unless you know what you are = doing; there is a separate DMARC workaround ongoing.=E2=80=9D Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 > We're still hoping to be able to deploy ARC, which should be better = than both > the current default workaround and the Mailman workaround. >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 >>=20 >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >>=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>=20 >> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org >> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb >> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >>=20 >> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at >> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues >> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Thu Apr 11 15:06:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C5512064B for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:06:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5XYYnrzfDsfT for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18D0412040D for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [86.58.145.69] (port=52469 helo=[10.0.3.20]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hEhpW-0006Wi-7o; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:05:58 -0700 To: Carsten Bormann References: <71796682-C554-41DC-8529-DA8B20578C40@tzi.org> <72c680ca-9b2a-8e6d-b6d6-501b2ec4cda2@levkowetz.com> <16F668DC-8697-45C9-993F-FCEC27CE73B4@tzi.org> Cc: tools-discuss From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <4c571570-786b-c3db-1187-aeca76a3e373@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 00:05:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <16F668DC-8697-45C9-993F-FCEC27CE73B4@tzi.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="L1Msgoa6LtfvDdjWA68oT6lw15rw0TctQ" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 86.58.145.69 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, cabo@tzi.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] DMARC handling default for IETF mailing lists? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 22:06:01 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --L1Msgoa6LtfvDdjWA68oT6lw15rw0TctQ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="eNj42HLxEiHrjVu95I58Kg78kTNLtdalc"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Carsten Bormann Cc: tools-discuss Message-ID: <4c571570-786b-c3db-1187-aeca76a3e373@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] DMARC handling default for IETF mailing lists? References: <71796682-C554-41DC-8529-DA8B20578C40@tzi.org> <72c680ca-9b2a-8e6d-b6d6-501b2ec4cda2@levkowetz.com> <16F668DC-8697-45C9-993F-FCEC27CE73B4@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <16F668DC-8697-45C9-993F-FCEC27CE73B4@tzi.org> --eNj42HLxEiHrjVu95I58Kg78kTNLtdalc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2019-04-11 23:58, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Hi Henrik, >=20 >> On Apr 11, 2019, at 23:28, Henrik Levkowetz wro= te: >>=20 >> Signed PGP part >> Hi Carsten, >>=20 >> On 2019-04-11 22:13, Carsten Bormann wrote: >>> I just configured a mailing list and noticed that the configuration s= election >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Replace the From: header address with the list's posting address to m= itigate issues stemming from the original From: domain's DMARC or similar= policies.=20 >>> (Details for from_is_list) >>> No Munge From Wrap Message >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> defaulted to =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D. Does the list admin have to set t= his to =E2=80=9CMunge From=E2=80=9D manually? >>> (We don=E2=80=99t want to do that with known DMARC-bad source address= es, I believe.) >>> Or does =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D mean =E2=80=9CMunge, if needed=E2=80=9D?= >>=20 >> I believe 'No' means "Don't Munge", and given that we are running a se= parate >> DMARC workaround, I believe this should not be set by default. =20 >=20 > Ah, thank you. >=20 >> If you set >> it, things should still work, but you'll replace our default DMARC wor= karound >> with the Mailman approach. >=20 > Don=E2=80=99t want to do that. >=20 > So maybe the prompt in the config section could have a sentence of the = form =E2=80=9CDon=E2=80=99t enable this unless you know what you are doin= g; there is a separate DMARC workaround ongoing.=E2=80=9D >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 >>=20 >> We're still hoping to be able to deploy ARC, which should be better th= an both >> the current default workaround and the Mailman workaround. I've suggested that as a local Mailman patch to our admins. Best, Henrik >>=20 >> Best regards, >>=20 >> Henrik >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >>>=20 >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>>=20 >>> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org >>> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb >>> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >>>=20 >>> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at >>> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues >>> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 --eNj42HLxEiHrjVu95I58Kg78kTNLtdalc-- --L1Msgoa6LtfvDdjWA68oT6lw15rw0TctQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAlyvuj8ACgkQTptXS4+7 FxpDag/9EB088NhUnoqmW9420jafRa1avFK1XQWDYelr2Wf7OGeOUy09fRZe53Do pvVdcpyYa60kBdqhLdY61qC3GZHtA9grYiIWqiwN+O3qgVJQ6cjbwFvvXsE3zJEZ 1AaXmVX2X96UF5PMGvfQXxYhCSZnHapIie/H57tN3WpkmfVQzJ0RZrT21+pSkVeq xZUQOfY2+DlXScCoRiKIymn34lg926eGEPJIfxtFY9q2GMZjQLRZfJtGbj7PEx9n YO412qBOu7t75BP7dnph9EvONAW2VTkI4JSIXRXd/rpk9LrRd4x4Ois1jxhxrEwt EofATpGvMLNUAKaROHABrh6lUCgNNJPEVF3oqHl8be3WuvL7b+rEMJ/5xSqK2Or5 5GuspwtDfyj6TiUyXeA9whpSfCMSHTNsboCLpEJyexLCJyNX649WNxEEcnZiRZRo BCpE3TbPgTar2uJHFP9vNCwvo7KzjskYbm76pV6duSFchnEdJWExMNbRAqHVBSrf fs59WT4zj05nW8Uycfh0j1OzyC3f+YAH2wv1o5ksu6xTjkT6/aIvc6JznIkta8oJ 4gPsULn+izOWgNDTib5dRtJkH+wfFnIbLNq/FcllsKbDcKebgFsryygQrPCOHjil g7p3iYrhxAcn1whT0hcNBqxLkM65v93oXPdDk2yPvOpPp1bsz6U= =x31i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --L1Msgoa6LtfvDdjWA68oT6lw15rw0TctQ-- From nobody Tue Apr 16 12:07:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC651205ED for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 12:07:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79xT_pdaH4ZI for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 12:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EBBC1205E6 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 12:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF69300AE6 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 14:49:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id xysVDHLU-ngx for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 14:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 888EC300201; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 14:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <87d0lsa2qw.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 15:07:40 -0400 Cc: Tools Discussion Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1A1C8CAD-3DFE-4F2B-B0DA-ADA52F515316@vigilsec.com> References: <87d0lsa2qw.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , Martin Thomson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Draft name prefixes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 19:07:45 -0000 > On Apr 11, 2019, at 1:08 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor = wrote: >=20 > On Tue 2019-04-09 22:47:45 -0400, Martin Thomson wrote: >> Maybe with an "If this is your first Internet-Draft submission" = around it. >>=20 >> There is a lot of noise on that page. I wonder if it makes sense to >> cut that down to the bare essentials. New submitters don't need to >> know about the API, for example. There is an "Instructions" "tab". >=20 > It's almost as if that page was written as though it were an RFC :P It > appears to think of itself as a reference, not a tutorial or a howto. >=20 > Fwiw, i agree with Martin that taking a vicious editor's knife to that > and figuring out the most important stuff in a much simpler and = shorter > document would make it more useful to a first-timer audience. = (doesn't > mean there's no place for a reference, of course). >=20 > I also note that https://www.ietf.org/standards/ids/guidelines/#6 = says: >=20 > It is strongly recommended that the draft include a notice (with > email address) of where comments should be sent. For example: >=20 > "Comments are solicited and should be addressed to the working > group's mailing list at ___@______ and/or the author(s)." >=20 > And yet, it's not clear how to send edits to this 9-year-old document > itself (it could use at least some http=E2=86=92https fixes in 2019). The Tools Team might be able to offer some improvements to the web page, = but the id-guideline belong to the IESG. The Tools Team cannot take any = actions there. Russ From nobody Wed Apr 17 06:23:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265201200C7 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 06:23:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eSIylFi3GvMY for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 06:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF02912008D for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 06:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:60872 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hGkXI-0007It-Mr; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 06:23:37 -0700 To: Fred Baker , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <06B7BDDD-E9E2-4602-B372-DDA3CA5A9C16@gmail.com> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <61e97182-4939-5ff9-9863-5babce2d4605@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 15:23:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <06B7BDDD-E9E2-4602-B372-DDA3CA5A9C16@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9U2hrNOuMDWsxE3SjO4D6sbKJuamse5XM" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Looking for a clue X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:23:39 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --9U2hrNOuMDWsxE3SjO4D6sbKJuamse5XM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PbB8HtfFE91pHMPo5J7bfol58C1II0Qrf"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Fred Baker , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <61e97182-4939-5ff9-9863-5babce2d4605@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Looking for a clue References: <06B7BDDD-E9E2-4602-B372-DDA3CA5A9C16@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <06B7BDDD-E9E2-4602-B372-DDA3CA5A9C16@gmail.com> --PbB8HtfFE91pHMPo5J7bfol58C1II0Qrf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Fred, On 2019-04-11 00:21, Fred Baker wrote: > I have had a problem with XMLMind on my laptop, and spent some time > with Warren on that this morning. It turned out that I needed to > reinstall the application from scratch. Now I have a different > problem. >=20 > When I go to xml2rfc.ietf.org to try to compile the XML output, it > tells me that it is >=20 > Using XML_LIBRARY=3D/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/r= fc/bibxml:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml2:/= home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml3:/home/www/to= ols.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml4:/home/www/tools.ietf.or= g/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml5:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml= 2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml6:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/pu= blic/rfc/bibxml7:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bi= bxml8 Yes, and that's not changed. That is however only germane for unexpanded= includes that have to be resolved from the submitted xml source by the web service. However, I have historically had a copy of the library on my computer, an= d in my .bash_profile have >=20 > export PATH=3D~/bin:$PATH > set XML_LIBRARY=3D/Users/fred/In-Progress/XML_Library >=20 > Historically, it has used the library on my laptop. Anyone have an > idea why it might be different now? Why would the tool override the > configuration that I have been using since xml2rfc was created? The web service will of course not have access to the files on your lapto= p, but if you previously had XMLMind set up to expand includes in your xml source before running it through the web service, it would explain things= =2E This can be accomplished by running xml2rfc with the --exp (--expand) opt= ion. Of course, if that's the way you had it set up earlier, it also implies t= hat you had xml2rfc installed, in order to do the expansion, which would mean= that you may not have needed to use the web service. Unless maybe you ha= d an old version of xml2rfc which was up to doing the expansion, but didn't= want to use it for output generation? This is a lot of speculation, but the bottom line is really that there is= no way for the web service at xml2rfc.ietf.org to access the local files indicated by XML_LIBRARY=3D/Users/fred/In-Progress/XML_Library unless you= do the expansion locally first. 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