From nobody Wed Jul 10 07:46:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D0B1202FD for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 07:46:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8X_scBDvJPQo for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 07:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 806AD1202FC for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 07:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.32.60.127] (50-1-99-176.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.99.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.proper.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x6AEkTKd044695 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 07:46:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: Host 50-1-99-176.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.99.176] claimed to be [10.32.60.127] From: "Paul Hoffman" To: "Tools Team Discussion" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 07:46:28 -0700 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.12.5r5635) Message-ID: <76E4A912-570B-4451-B97D-19BC9D849091@vpnc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Missing draft versions? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:46:33 -0000 Please see . Note that there is no "21" listed, and attempting to force it into the URL doesn't work. According to the internet-drafts mailing list, both were published yesterday. How does one see the -21 version of this draft? --Paul Hoffman From nobody Wed Jul 10 08:55:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88711201EF for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:55:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ViLTu9Dieycl for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54BE212023E for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DFF21C1356 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot1-f52.google.com (mail-ot1-f52.google.com [209.85.210.52]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 151341C1358 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f52.google.com with SMTP id z23so2602687ote.13 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:55:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXZROI5nOcooffP35tAj/qN7Ahhj6mn+/R8UiqaBD4fAwwwvpqQ VrwarSx/29iBmkO+Wz3Cs5NLm+72XoRSfru83Y4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz1HqYEYleuDvKj+H0thaWLJmt/ILMrX6hG7nr+uWzTQ+zw21T9UYopilpnQNF4RQOrK0z9yqba9UZJODGX67w= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:1516:: with SMTP id k22mr23305280otp.189.1562774100061; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:55:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76E4A912-570B-4451-B97D-19BC9D849091@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <76E4A912-570B-4451-B97D-19BC9D849091@vpnc.org> From: Glen Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:54:46 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Paul Hoffman Cc: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Missing draft versions? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:55:05 -0000 Hi Paul - On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 7:46 AM Paul Hoffman wrote: > Please see . Note > that there is no "21" listed, and attempting to force it into the URL > doesn't work. According to the internet-drafts mailing list, both were > published yesterday. > How does one see the -21 version of this draft? I cannot assist with "tools.ietf.org" - Henrik will have to look at that. But in an effort to help with your immediate question about viewing the -21 version, it's in the datatracker, here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-quic-http/21/ I hope this gets you what you need. Thanks, Glen From nobody Wed Jul 10 08:57:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0D0120498 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:57:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9fkNk15kXMMf for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09BC512049A for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 217A91C135A for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi1-f172.google.com (mail-oi1-f172.google.com [209.85.167.172]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08A481C1358 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f172.google.com with SMTP id w7so2025477oic.3 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:57:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXdbmMcduc4a8aIxYzO1NpODaLHtQPG2l/Qa+qfIg/qtvf+asbf HAhp1EG81NaNC/7gDYU5wUS8sjje5wLZ11KTn10= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyVufM5wh18hSOd3D1oPetIenYCrglDw1c8yGhnFDkDhldYHW2CG7bdNv3FJNlGKtZR/zjuNygwoVyK3+GSqek= X-Received: by 2002:aca:b254:: with SMTP id b81mr3874436oif.53.1562774222074; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:57:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76E4A912-570B-4451-B97D-19BC9D849091@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: From: Glen Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:56:48 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Paul Hoffman Cc: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Missing draft versions? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:57:52 -0000 On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 8:54 AM Glen wrote: > But in an effort to help with your immediate question about viewing > the -21 version, it's in the datatracker, here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-quic-http/21/ Or, if you want text only, it is at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-quic-http-21.txt Glen From nobody Wed Jul 17 11:22:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409B81208B3 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:22:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QZItdLH7n36b for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.icann.org (out.west.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF07E12085E for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1473.3; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:22:23 -0700 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1473.005; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:22:22 -0700 From: Paul Hoffman To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: GitHub instead of svn? Thread-Index: AQHVPMyTzzfxcruUh0idooH/s2/QVA== Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 18:22:22 +0000 Message-ID: <5A2872BC-374D-4255-A998-69562042A811@icann.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19C58BC969438B46804AEEBFCC2B8F8F@pexch112.icann.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] GitHub instead of svn? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 18:22:26 -0000 Greetings. I maintain the CLI tool at , and have been asked to move it to GitHub to handle issues and pu= ll requests. I can certainly move it to my own GitHub account, but would be= happy to move to a Tools Team account () an= d I could get admin privs on such a repo. Thoughts? --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Wed Jul 17 12:14:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C561208C9 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:14:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.679 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.679 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hWpJyj4oBrNJ for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDAC31208BA for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.30.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x6HJEBW1026049 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 17 Jul 2019 14:14:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1563390853; bh=KicYMpqLz2P8ioTSQV/e9+gH51/WookQxQgpMAKAj0I=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=U/zWepbe8c6cBC2Fc94R4jbc3C3inNGCc3PIjlOgqwIabG6E+i5y452pdEuBb2d5v 0ch/WM2KItJ8z7BWKXRy0rT36kU/C05lMcgFnYebRDAFuGvdNkyfEdZoT3ffUzpCl4 ptdi7dVZy0Dg6IcTf/yC4pHSBPbxkwPyby5tN+oA= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.30.41] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: Paul Hoffman , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" References: <5A2872BC-374D-4255-A998-69562042A811@icann.org> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 14:14:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5A2872BC-374D-4255-A998-69562042A811@icann.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] GitHub instead of svn? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 19:14:35 -0000 Hi Paul - We should be able to move it to github.com/ietf-tools and set the permissions that will let you continue to do what you need. There was some friction when we moved the rfc-errata project over, so we should probably try to do this in person while in Montreal. Will you be around for Saturday or early in the day on Sunday? RjS On 7/17/19 1:22 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Greetings. I maintain the CLI tool at , and have been asked to move it to GitHub to handle issues and pull requests. I can certainly move it to my own GitHub account, but would be happy to move to a Tools Team account () and I could get admin privs on such a repo. Thoughts? > > --Paul Hoffman > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Wed Jul 17 12:35:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5941204AA for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:35:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OeJbq2gYN4rm for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.icann.org (out.west.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 274C0120636 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1473.3; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:35:21 -0700 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1473.005; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:35:21 -0700 From: Paul Hoffman To: Robert Sparks CC: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Ext] Re: [Tools-discuss] GitHub instead of svn? Thread-Index: AQHVPMyTekLHYylNYUqNF9qrFbO46abPo18AgAAF6gA= Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 19:35:20 +0000 Message-ID: <71F80E12-27DF-445D-9B0E-093996AE1F0D@icann.org> References: <5A2872BC-374D-4255-A998-69562042A811@icann.org> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2E727E10921B7D4684FAB84AA612388A@pexch112.icann.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Ext] Re: GitHub instead of svn? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 19:35:32 -0000 On Jul 17, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >=20 > We should be able to move it to github.com/ietf-tools and set the permiss= ions that will let you continue to do what you need. There was some frictio= n when we moved the rfc-errata project over, so we should probably try to d= o this in person while in Montreal. Will you be around for Saturday or earl= y in the day on Sunday? I will be at the Hackathon at the beginning on Saturday (ICANN is sponsorin= g, so I might have to say something at the front), but can come to find you= later in the morning. It would be grand to make the move work soon thereaf= ter so I can add some functionality Russ asked for over a year ago... --Paul= From nobody Sat Jul 20 12:28:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDB0120167 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:26:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lfRuKMCenMxm for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 241F71200DF for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 246E21C1359 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot1-f44.google.com (mail-ot1-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 099FE1C134E for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f44.google.com with SMTP id d17so36233869oth.5 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:26:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVQH0SMdOQmZdYwcLf9oOWKEHvi4M6q+1dMVLrsnjCbHEbRHwPR chwylu2O1QLBKqppDsFeRAvaKZtUZhbFO57qd9I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyMnPyIGxkqqcuHGJ5AyCvwBcGo3bwkr3TMBCC5h5OQFErtJOUWVvI/Ygwu8uFyg0DvOjMYzhE5tYNHFLYXPyc= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7e8b:: with SMTP id m11mr11587353otp.209.1563650771261; Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:26:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Glen Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 15:26:00 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Glen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:28:27 -0700 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Chatting about IETF IT operations X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:26:17 -0000 Dear IESG, LLC, WG Chairs and Tools participants - My name is Glen Barney, I'm the IT Director for AMS, and am the person who is currently, and has, for the past 10 years, been directly responsible for the IETF's server and IT operations. For the next three days (Sun-Tue) I'll be here at IETF105, and would welcome the opportunity to talk to any of you who have thoughts, comments or questions about IETF IT operations and the IETF infrastructure overall. I would welcome the opportunity to say Hello to any of you who are interested. During the mornings I will be haunting the registration desk, and you will likely find me right there when you check in. At other times I'll be chatting and visiting meetings... but always looking to say Hi! If you wish to reach me directly you can do so via: Telegram: @GlenAMS Email: glen@amsl.com Phone: +1-514-966-7089 (local Montreal) Jabber: glen@amsl.com Feel free to reach out any time if you are so inclined! Thanks, Glen -- Glen Barney IT Director AMS (IETF Secretariat) From nobody Mon Jul 22 07:04:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725431202D9; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:03:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mnot.net header.b=MKFIVQLq; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=XJ3IyDNC Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O1ieRRkXRNJd; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE4D11202C4; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681BF4EA; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:03:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mnot.net; h=from :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :message-id:date:to; s=fm3; bh=4gkTV7ITYud0Yd8MJh5XQ4FCkcwZ57tjX WHYZ6mThdQ=; b=MKFIVQLqd/rl47AnxC9NBIt1yNIWYx959wQnFVlig8tEQvrx7 6HSGcxf9XemOSyx96I7kaeP0NIzPTgMXY1uWsdyfqj6imZ7T90sRnnqndlwtyivj PECYyejwpS3iSKsSXfDifxPrvj4I+kWNF+m13lXjByGyvvkt09vbEP68uW7DlH1A pbm6LRz2Q8Lsz/gOrURN/lD00lm0BVw7+IY/aC7pbhxMH9tQg6IUckiRYDYNlyOo 2IubwHee4HO8XGeIGeYz8U7Tlizr+aQkvj6Q62AB1IwOZyF5ZOXX8Wp7VU6ECP8l TMbNXf4iSUHV4gQj+DcsetX/6eMCYW1zroSQA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=4gkTV7 ITYud0Yd8MJh5XQ4FCkcwZ57tjXWHYZ6mThdQ=; b=XJ3IyDNC8Q5O4jI/p0OaAD GKr+BDK3XMZmiJhpcs53xmYBNVTtuvmcxvjb1MxCDbDRgbiEx3af0Ia6ShikxYtz 3YZVD5F1Pt2hcjfww6sQ2hLDqoROLjufNeVMAZeA9J9cSMnxzd/7hKlotAo4bQMF It4ppZyS+duneQe+RI1jP1D7VDcnxfjKZVssZWFpGUxu2bky2zhLtDndrUn0W/qk l994J3xlUBpNSNduMRYppo24859iYdRpOwenTKkcGtCwlpekCTwnB1N9SIKxLBRK GZ+T1iySI3a6pSjypSWAN0JcpawmvlRkZpPR33cQfHRRIPAIvXxf4McTRXvDfsUg == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrjeeggdejgecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephfgtgfgguffkfffvofesthhqmhdthh dtvdenucfhrhhomhepofgrrhhkucfpohhtthhinhhghhgrmhcuoehmnhhothesmhhnohht rdhnvghtqeenucffohhmrghinhepmhhnohhtrdhnvghtnecukfhppeefuddrudeffedrud efjedrvdefgeenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhnohhtsehmnhhothdrnhgv thenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from dhcp-89ea.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-89ea.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.137.234]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D1829380075; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:03:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Nottingham Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-Id: <104F6269-33F3-430B-BA8C-A54390C30C0F@mnot.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:03:44 -0400 To: IESG , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Calendars X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:03:58 -0000 [ cc:ing a bit broadly, apologies ] I'd like to suggest that the .ics files on the agenda NOT be available = until the agenda is finalised, to avoid people downloading the wrong = time slots. For example, if a meeting that is traditionally held on Monday in the = first slot is moved during conflict resolution. I understand that this was (probably) communicated somewhere, but we all = get a *lot* of e-mail, and this seems like leaving an attractive = nuisance around. Cheers, -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Mon Jul 22 07:26:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A321201F8; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:26:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uaGXtgwt7zVU; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 884E5120296; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:25:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1563805551; bh=TbWhIeIbcgYfMHBrcYgjbg5zkuC6n1AyyFsAViQxYiU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=jJKlTheo3KGG60THs1yDrv/pjQtn2LcYfy+ProAKij6BySwnB+2wg+0e5VAbC8Cxu kijZfom1W0yWXn7Zeqef4w+turArn85sYg1yB001iNt+lSq7ekS3rrhlZK5bPu+PIf heEhtMB1uZM5IlFMXhWTju6FZy4u7hERcP9VWOr8= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([217.251.137.109]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N49lJ-1iX7K21t4L-0106Cu; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 16:25:51 +0200 To: Mark Nottingham , IESG , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <104F6269-33F3-430B-BA8C-A54390C30C0F@mnot.net> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <020fa7cf-6678-7d2f-1101-84b8fbfff014@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 16:25:49 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <104F6269-33F3-430B-BA8C-A54390C30C0F@mnot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:n1oF4gKH+5xNHV6W+rw7/8gFhsUw9v9hJuWt52I0CSlSVlfE473 x9cXESQvEUvh8zCCQTyn+jKtDBrblwXWajTm0LeQhrixe15Bbfue3uNZokfCyQMapaqoO4i p1tYQFzD9Aq+aKczo0tFm/WsV7gZGa2y+4Y6GpYsT0KIvkIN+b2u2h1L6mmQJfpyuHJDBIV dEUtBV+V7a2tlA5z8NZsw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:1YztL2C4BDU=:X/GyMK1tvmW+Z6hhu5MrZu l5MH8Dhbq6E+EY8T4tlfKyPbe7DDx4/flD0M2f59J+sO6U6/Mm6oY4M3DfYqLxv5fiVUZuQ3f nfIObherVrKx0Nxq55Nuo08DrFFjXizOHzI+8RX8bioqmzI2tgM9DrhF5usldK6LqD106K//Y HfjQDAGBAQi0f88aTskIq8PG/NgnpD1kJ33adiI4mA4EfIHVocZ4fkj7qFP8NOlZZzaGTgss2 /Rq3nOwK4eSdT4SVj3ZSXHS6oRBE34nVVPX0wZh/Tf5fbb/xKwxDrozhn/nXUx4bMhywBOH48 DTnXqYuxYckmm/giE2rMBhpUqdBybzWdy85vK//Opyyd0PDtkibc8iqPevuWwWL3OMgBQt9wX omPtdaGfKdY08DOkVl4h9ohrRUGII6dglg3PyAqc8wMbxL4ket8L4k2o1IEikT7Wa3xr9zIHq fGIIAGaEKWLuabd11me5G5zojXS7++fvimJ+oiKV7ALdH8cC11I20bxMl4asG9uxZCckvf0BM DRNdQviOrPhazyofsIlTR6L0mnAvZcOSeA/MGWrWImJvXZauvoyUvFV0tWJRXCYLG8CR27025 6nQCfvxn4jBhX/ZZQpZYvEKrvDRzi6xkZdqZdQdbdYRKBEH0kjZhtst1IjS+bgnCF0Jzi547D UDj9nE+lzF22g1c67Ynas8vQbgf/DLWMRtoKTtXgF+35o3jzQlXqN6Xk81p6T/Xo1T5UAayDe 6G76WSyo/ERfS1ACfMmG1OraLIJgB6DKHOrMI+ONold1DBUnaQ2jDqx2rmdHJn9Nv9fMtehfP BEYLaI1o6vq9hQKVhQRnuUfj2AjmNQhs4bBKpb3vd646m1Yn7Zd6kLOQEdnCJ1RhTUhX8QCLv kcDmTRfi97IXB3oHn+CxaewZ58ulvLL5+XfeRJeQMb4/3SKc3QWw/ftXap/kdACTRhSucmPv/ Lgv7kheccUc4XCI63MyaCMuEypWd/LFRYxeFFCJvTyQGwPbij5Hin1YHS6PlDUS0SOV1KMovn KcbRUS88D1Pmq7p4CkNyBmMp9zWDb+kvu859mHu/Mjf0lR3bXiEGW4lkTXEPXWbJ2+hHGbDWO hd7HKtpTDFWehNKk+7g5rbJ92eictOTgOFI Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Calendars X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:26:03 -0000 On 22.07.2019 16:03, Mark Nottingham wrote: > [ cc:ing a bit broadly, apologies ] > > I'd like to suggest that the .ics files on the agenda NOT be available u= ntil the agenda is finalised, to avoid people downloading the wrong time s= lots. > > For example, if a meeting that is traditionally held on Monday in the fi= rst slot is moved during conflict resolution. > > I understand that this was (probably) communicated somewhere, but we all= get a *lot* of e-mail, and this seems like leaving an attractive nuisance= around. > > Cheers, Hmm. The "right" way to use an ICS file is to use by reference; in which case schedule changes will automatically by reflected in a calendar app. At least that what happens for me in Thunderbird/Lightning and when importing he calendar into Google Calendar... Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon Jul 22 11:16:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE221202C5 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:16:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id abk8PobcvzTj for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [IPv6:2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:de77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16278120020 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:1232:144:6e88:14ff:fe34:93bc]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 616461F44B; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 079C31A97; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Julian Reschke cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-reply-to: <020fa7cf-6678-7d2f-1101-84b8fbfff014@gmx.de> References: <104F6269-33F3-430B-BA8C-A54390C30C0F@mnot.net> <020fa7cf-6678-7d2f-1101-84b8fbfff014@gmx.de> Comments: In-reply-to Julian Reschke message dated "Mon, 22 Jul 2019 16:25:49 +0200." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:15:52 -0400 Message-ID: <21999.1563819352@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Calendars X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:16:13 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Julian Reschke wrote: >> I'd like to suggest that the .ics files on the agenda NOT be available >> until the agenda is finalised, to avoid people downloading the wrong >> time slots. >> >> For example, if a meeting that is traditionally held on Monday in the >> first slot is moved during conflict resolution. >> >> I understand that this was (probably) communicated somewhere, but we >> all get a *lot* of e-mail, and this seems like leaving an attractive >> nuisance around. >> >> Cheers, > Hmm. > The "right" way to use an ICS file is to use by reference; in which > case schedule changes will automatically by reflected in a calendar > app. At least that what happens for me in Thunderbird/Lightning and > when importing he calendar into Google Calendar... +1 With Google Calendar, there is a challenge if you want to change the list of WG that you are subscribed to. I solved that by creating an indirection, and subscribing Google Calendar to that. I run this on my web serer once a day: %cat /corp/docs/SSW/ietf/meeting/ietf105/cal.sh #!/bin/sh cd /ssw/docs/SSW/ietf/meeting/ietf105 curl -s >agenda.ics 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/agenda.ics?add,capport,cbor,core,anima,dnsop,mops,opsawg,v6ops,sidrops,roll,ace,acme,cacoa,cose,ipsecme,lake,lamps,rats,saag,suit,teep,loops,6lo,6man,6tisch,dnssd,dprive,netrqmts,secdispatch' Then I can just edit this script to add/subtract WGs. It would be nice if I could register my interest in the WGs on the datatracker and remove that layer of indirection. The challenge is that Google Calendar (and others too) do not let me change the URL easily. Maybe that's just a bug there. What I'm really missing (in the calendaring space) is the ability to subscribe to a foreign event, and have it show up in my main calendar. I'm told the IETF APP will do this, and that works for IETF meetings, but not in general. I can't do that for the virtual interim calendar, etc. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl01/VcACgkQlUzhVv38 QpAkTwf/cfGU0S46F+bxSkOkpuPI2BA4i7llk9WHGYjzHToXAplHPlnAEMY7tGlm sYoOTMozHLWpoSyDcFEirjPS2DWgiQSmhfCUxB1fjhJpyWYTGvBVnBHM+zSYvRpG AF2lv9eOJkc/Z6WwPSFMMRKre6GtBsoZTlExtXuZbQzbBOjat9POcvOQQxqYGQLV JtBJx86kJQWviDE/2suAED00jJ/pFFc2Jz3sAjRR63j0Wc5Na0gVYAqiiMV1at4L KI8Fxd/oo5/U08PGI82OkmT0KUzpY+RJ8RKe55NI4zxeGFQKzgWPBuBQsJIT5zTn sQdjLSIM1nXFq4xqXUrsr1pQMp2u3g== =E/ky -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Jul 22 12:02:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A561C120362 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:02:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=bangj.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V-hIfO1s2cRb for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (69-77-154-174.static.skybest.com [69.77.154.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA613120356 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 12:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-9c34.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-9c34.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.156.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C1DD330434; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:02:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bangj.com; s=201907; t=1563822124; bh=LVaSY/2ryjMqjgZ3m/gu3oWlzmshxol/YG8TcnGfAT0=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=G6e82ihMarMtJ58jfnzv77sR/ATiH4vijhoXbzNUiTq10CUzPQekn/8jwezex66xG jCUHiXiJVpX9RZEHTAfFx4x+VukfOekDVQkPn1dc1rc8kk1V9zN2v8T/DdAombOyhU bS7/nVEnhEawnwVqgagvre94CCV92/NlNQxEeA/4oT7NNqRcS6MH+drzRdddvnDwwj +3pOzwR8qYWG6Blyb4NKrmp3n8NtuesuYiEq+HTP0yDSYx4U+uHAswc/VIyn2gwjiU FUTO1ByjZyaaBZSPqVfXVRKOf1KOLgrDuIzgFSff9f8s0jt/qpWi4ORGNHJnV0E/LD vf2aBBp7JrU5Q== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3566.0.1\)) From: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: <21999.1563819352@dooku.sandelman.ca> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:02:01 -0400 Cc: Julian Reschke , tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6099750B-D19B-450D-A89C-F922E8F73D91@bangj.com> References: <104F6269-33F3-430B-BA8C-A54390C30C0F@mnot.net> <020fa7cf-6678-7d2f-1101-84b8fbfff014@gmx.de> <21999.1563819352@dooku.sandelman.ca> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3566.0.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Calendars X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:02:13 -0000 > On Jul 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Michael Richardson = wrote: >=20 >=20 > Julian Reschke wrote: >>> I'd like to suggest that the .ics files on the agenda NOT be = available >>> until the agenda is finalised, to avoid people downloading the wrong >>> time slots. >>>=20 >>> For example, if a meeting that is traditionally held on Monday in = the >>> first slot is moved during conflict resolution. >>>=20 >>> I understand that this was (probably) communicated somewhere, but we >>> all get a *lot* of e-mail, and this seems like leaving an attractive >>> nuisance around. >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >=20 >> Hmm. >=20 >> The "right" way to use an ICS file is to use by reference; in which >> case schedule changes will automatically by reflected in a calendar >> app. At least that what happens for me in Thunderbird/Lightning and >> when importing he calendar into Google Calendar... >=20 > +1 >=20 > With Google Calendar, there is a challenge if you want to change the = list of > WG that you are subscribed to. I solved that by creating an = indirection, > and subscribing Google Calendar to that. I run this on my web serer > once a day: >=20 > %cat /corp/docs/SSW/ietf/meeting/ietf105/cal.sh >=20 > #!/bin/sh >=20 > cd /ssw/docs/SSW/ietf/meeting/ietf105 >=20 > curl -s >agenda.ics = 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/agenda.ics?add,capport,cbor,core= ,anima,dnsop,mops,opsawg,v6ops,sidrops,roll,ace,acme,cacoa,cose,ipsecme,la= ke,lamps,rats,saag,suit,teep,loops,6lo,6man,6tisch,dnssd,dprive,netrqmts,s= ecdispatch' >=20 > Then I can just edit this script to add/subtract WGs. > It would be nice if I could register my interest in the WGs on the > datatracker and remove that layer of indirection. The challenge is = that > Google Calendar (and others too) do not let me change the URL easily. = Maybe > that's just a bug there. >=20 > What I'm really missing (in the calendaring space) is the ability to > subscribe to a foreign event, and have it show up in my main calendar. = I'm > told the IETF APP will do this, and that works for IETF meetings, but = not in > general. I can't do that for the virtual interim calendar, etc. The IETFers iOS/iPadOS app currently filters all meetings but the main 3 = meetings per year. I have been considering adding a switch to = enable/disable all meetings which would include all of the scheduled = interim meetings. Not sure if this would solve your problem. I agree that if you log into the IETF site, you could then generate a = calendar subscription per user and that user could add/subtract interest = in events/wg=E2=80=99s while having a constant subscription URL. This seems like an enhancement request for the datatracker. 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Reschke" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Calendars X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:05:39 -0000 By default, the calendar downloads ICS files (i.e. Content-Disposition). > On 22 Jul 2019, at 10:25 am, Julian Reschke = wrote: >=20 > On 22.07.2019 16:03, Mark Nottingham wrote: >> [ cc:ing a bit broadly, apologies ] >>=20 >> I'd like to suggest that the .ics files on the agenda NOT be = available until the agenda is finalised, to avoid people downloading the = wrong time slots. >>=20 >> For example, if a meeting that is traditionally held on Monday in the = first slot is moved during conflict resolution. >>=20 >> I understand that this was (probably) communicated somewhere, but we = all get a *lot* of e-mail, and this seems like leaving an attractive = nuisance around. >>=20 >> Cheers, >=20 > Hmm. >=20 > The "right" way to use an ICS file is to use by reference; in which = case > schedule changes will automatically by reflected in a calendar app. At > least that what happens for me in Thunderbird/Lightning and when > importing he calendar into Google Calendar... >=20 > Best regards, Julian -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Wed Jul 24 12:20:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0011D120409; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 12:20:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lp-9IxU8qOVf; 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Well yes. This is a UI problem. You need to copy the link, not download the ICS file. Or the ICS file would need to carry information about where to refresh from. I believe that's currently not possible. Best regards, Julian