From nobody Sun Nov 3 13:09:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE901200D7 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2019 13:09:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mnot.net header.b=KxVK8qKF; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=XR/inkSr Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Faly5A-bvgx4 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2019 13:09:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 207761200C4 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2019 13:09:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5816C40B for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2019 16:09:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 03 Nov 2019 16:09:45 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mnot.net; h=from :content-type:mime-version:subject:message-id:references:to :date; s=fm1; bh=gjZrVFYc/mGfmqi2rqhM7B0puFlcF9XQc64E+X9kWxM=; b= KxVK8qKFOISjcV6/+XTTT24D6ZGCmc6FuRt9J4SbmidcKsHhwcRyZ7hiubTPbsUk O9EQn210HSpypYId+V8io89HsnwsXpjNSC3rR0W2AT01dydekcYX3auYb8gphBL/ U9Svn/hslXNvyOQhfBCDFmAeH56W1EEvWUGNciHUaanQ/YI1NmQShXf+TjDjHrHh ulH5yjXyahpSM0/NaUe1lP1mqrAnB72PyalOfl7oS7O6w/kdCg63CxwB4gF4R72x OlMLLCc8IQNqWbHBA/cYfTOpYSYElioCRSoAw0LDg8MaslbR7aftAW/GTO/Bep92 vSvfm84PqLqt3w/AhdGvUA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=gjZrVFYc/mGfmqi2r qhM7B0puFlcF9XQc64E+X9kWxM=; b=XR/inkSrGtBAVb9l+ZyneIJo3dzT1xoF1 11uhakw7JinBLa61JtjZCYnS6uoKePFQ0pns12jXafxyS2qKL8MfLPECkSHW6AcY Fmeke3yw88lNQvN6fvtkDzma4Cs5rFfWsMp5J4D4xk9NIeLgRVkCHugyaPOLoF90 /i75K8A9X/0ukcOGa8NAkCH+vECSNp98qr6IfQsfzRSh8bRqfz3HrXHX3f998IAa PMnVbRm1nqu8i6cLpbNWjNQQNGNdwrXe1pHkg9rc8rHhT1P8RHNiJa6S8NX1nWCT 3IQcZlFkGKFfK7LBoswHesi6sIP1/vYu+nVRP/+d9TlGoVSrPWJOQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudduuddgudeglecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephfgtggfukfhfvfffofesrgdtmh erhhdtjeenucfhrhhomhepofgrrhhkucfpohhtthhinhhghhgrmhcuoehmnhhothesmhhn ohhtrdhnvghtqeenucffohhmrghinhepfiefrdhorhhgpdhgihhthhhusgdrtghomhdpih gvthhfrdhorhhgpdhmnhhothdrnhgvthenucfkphepudduledrudejrdduheekrddvhedu necurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmnhhothesmhhnohhtrdhnvghtnecuvehluh hsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Received: from macbook-pro.mnot.net (unknown [119.17.158.251]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7E615306005B for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2019 16:09:42 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Nottingham Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0E59873A-C47A-4889-B5CA-F58828F7242B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3594.4.19\)) Message-Id: <0B32A612-6F45-48A1-96BC-28FCB247870B@mnot.net> References: <20191103073305.BE125306005C@mailuser.nyi.internal> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 08:09:39 +1100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3594.4.19) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Why is inline CSS editing on IETF mailing lists? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 21:09:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0E59873A-C47A-4889-B5CA-F58828F7242B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, I've noticed that mail sent to IETF lists appears to have its inline CSS = edited; in the message below, an extra "." is prefixed onto these rules, = with the effect that they aren't applied: > ..repos { margin-bottom: 0; margin-top:0; line-height: 1.2; } > ..new { color: red; } > ..label { display: inline; > padding: .2em .6em .3em; > font-size: 75%; > font-weight: 700; > line-height: 1; > color: #fff; > text-align: center; > white-space: nowrap; > vertical-align: baseline; > border-radius: .25em; > } Compare with = . Cheers, > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: Repository Activity Summary Bot > Subject: Weekly github digest ( Activity Summary) > Date: 3 November 2019 at 6:33:05 pm AEDT > To: quic@ietf.org > Archived-At: = >=20 > Sunday November 03, 2019 >=20 > Events without label "editorial" >=20 > Issues >=20 > quicwg/base-drafts (+1/-9/=F0=9F=92=AC28) > 1 issues created: >=20 > #3179 Duplicate NEW_TOKEN should only be on same connection = (by mikkelfj)=20 > 5 issues received 28 new comments: >=20 > #3173 TLS MUST NOT deliver server 1RTT Rx keys until getting Finished = (10 by ghedo, = kazuho, martinduke) -tls > #3159 Server should not accept 1-RTT traffic before handshake = completion (11 by = ad-l, ghedo, ianswett, mikkelfj) -tls > #3155 The method of identifying "the same server" = (2 by kazuho, = mikkelfj) -transport design proposal-ready > #3151 loss detection timer description could be simplified by = definining a timer mode = (4 by ianswett, = janaiyengar, marten-seemann) -recovery > #3135 allow sending PADDING after receiving a non-ack-eliciting packet = (1 by mnot) = -transport > 9 issues closed: >=20 > #3041 kMaxDatagramSize should use the PMTU rather than be fixed = -recovery design > #2928 Lift single-packet ClientHello requirement? = -tls design = has-consensus > #2823 Do Initial secrets change after Retry packet? = -tls design = has-consensus > #3046 Handling of Retire Prior To field = -transport design = has-consensus > #3085 Stateless reset detection should be datagram-based = -transport design = has-consensus > #2152 Why does stateless reset have to be checked after MAC failure = -transport design = has-consensus > #3097 Is CONNECTION_CLOSE ACK-eliciting? = -recovery -transport = design has-consensus > #2741 Re-visit initial keys discard = -tls -transport = design has-consensus > #2944 Layout of PreferredAddress = -transport design = has-consensus > Pull requests >=20 > quicwg/base-drafts (+3/-5/=F0=9F=92=AC14) > 3 pull requests submitted: >=20 > #3183 Limit CWND increase in slow start = (by ianswett) = -recovery > #3182 Add an enum indicating the timer_mode = (by ianswett) = -recovery > #3178 token-based greasing / initial packet protection (downgradable = variant) (by kazuho)=20= > 8 pull requests received 14 new comments: >=20 > #3183 Limit CWND increase in slow start = (2 by ianswett, = janaiyengar) -recovery > #3182 Add an enum indicating the timer_mode = (2 by ianswett, = marten-seemann) -recovery > #3166 token-based greasing / initial packet protection = (1 by kazuho) = -transport design > #3120 Add retry integrity tag = (3 by kazuho, = martinthomson, mikkelfj) -tls -transport > #3099 Idle timeout indicates you will timeout = (1 by ianswett) = -transport > #3066 Change PTO to be per packet number space = (1 by marten-seemann) = -recovery design > #3050 Rewrite key update section = (3 by DavidSchinazi, = martinthomson) -tls design > #3042 Use the FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR for errors in frame encoding = (1 by martinthomson) = -transport design > 5 pull requests merged: >=20 > #3167 kMaxDatagramSize -> max_datagram_size = -recovery > #3045 Allow ClientHello to span multiple QUIC packets = -tls > #3096 MUST retire Connection IDs becoming stale = -transport design > #2993 Stateless reset comparisons (constant time/any order/datagram) = -transport design > #3098 CONNECTION_CLOSE is non-ack-eliciting = -recovery -transport = design > Repositories tracked by this digest: >=20 > https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts = -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ --Apple-Mail=_0E59873A-C47A-4889-B5CA-F58828F7242B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi,

I've = noticed that mail sent to IETF lists appears to have its inline CSS = edited; in the message below, an extra "." is prefixed onto these rules, = with the effect that they aren't applied:

..repos { margin-bottom: 0; margin-top:0; line-height: 1.2; = }
..new { color: red; }
..label { display: = inline;
padding: .2em .6em = .3em;
font-size: 75%;
= font-weight: 700;
line-height: 1;
= color: #fff;
text-align: center;
= white-space: nowrap;
= vertical-align: baseline;
= border-radius: .25em;
}

Compare with <https://www.w3.org/mid/20191103073300.39B0780061@mailuser.nyi.i= nternal>.

Cheers,

Begin = forwarded message:

From: = Repository Activity Summary Bot = <do_not_reply@mnot.net>
Subject: = Weekly github = digest ( Activity Summary)
Date: = 3 November 2019 at 6:33:05 pm = AEDT
To: = quic@ietf.org
Archived-At: = <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/1AuiZGyvn5u07O-obAlX= V6-AooM>

Sunday November 03, 2019

Events without label = "editorial"

Issues

quicwg/base-drafts (+1/-9/=F0=9F=92=AC28)

1 issues = created:

5 issues received 28 new = comments:

9 issues closed:

Pull requests

quicwg/base-drafts (+3/-5/=F0=9F=92=AC14)

3 pull requests = submitted:

8 pull requests received 14 new = comments:

5 pull requests merged:

Repositories tracked by this digest:

  • https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts

--
Mark Nottingham  =  https://www.mnot.net/

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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 03:37:41 -0000 I've seen an extra dot on numerous occasions, so this isn't just HTML ma= il. It often causes problems for me when it appears in URLs. On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, at 08:09, Mark Nottingham wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I've noticed that mail sent to IETF lists appears to have its inline=20= > CSS edited; in the message below, an extra "." is prefixed onto these=20= > rules, with the effect that they aren't applied: >=20 > > ..repos { margin-bottom: 0; margin-top:0; line-height: 1.2; } > > ..new { color: red; } > > ..label { display: inline; > > padding: .2em .6em ..3em; > > font-size: 75%; > > font-weight: 700; > > line-height: 1; > > color: #fff; > > text-align: center; > > white-space: nowrap; > > vertical-align: baseline; > > border-radius: .25em; > > } >=20 > Compare with=20 > . >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > > Begin forwarded message: > >=20 > > *From: *Repository Activity Summary Bot > > *Subject: **Weekly github digest ( Activity Summary)* > > *Date: *3 November 2019 at 6:33:05 pm AEDT > > *To: *quic@ietf.org > > *Archived-At: * > >=20 > > Sunday November 03, 2019 >=20 > > Events without label "editorial" >=20 > > Issues >=20 > > quicwg/base-drafts (+1/-9/=F0=9F=92=AC28) >=20 > > 1 issues created: >=20 > > * #3179 Duplicate NEW_TOKEN should only be on same connection (by mikkelfj)=20 > > 5 issues received 28 new comments: >=20 > > * #3173 TLS MUST NOT deliver server 1RTT Rx keys until getting Fini= shed (10 by ghedo, k= azuho, martinduke) -tls > > * #3159 Server should not accept 1-RTT traffic before handshake com= pletion (11 by ad-l,= ghedo, ianswett, mikkelfj) -tls > > * #3155 The method of identifying "the same server" (2 by kazuho, mikkelfj) -transport = design proposal-ready > > * #3151 loss detection timer description could be simplified by def= inining a timer mode = (4 by ianswett, janaiyengar, marten-seemann) -recovery > > * #3135 allow sending PADDING after receiving a non-ack-eliciting p= acket (1 by mnot) -t= ransport > > 9 issues closed: >=20 > > * #3041 kMaxDatagramSize should use the PMTU rather than be fixed <= https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3041> -recovery design > > * #2928 Lift single-packet ClientHello requirement? -tls design has-consensus > > * #2823 Do Initial secrets change after Retry packet? -tls design has-consensus > > * #3046 Handling of Retire Prior To field -transport design has-consensus > > * #3085 Stateless reset detection should be datagram-based -transport design has-consen= sus > > * #2152 Why does stateless reset have to be checked after MAC failu= re -transport design= has-consensus > > * #3097 Is CONNECTION_CLOSE ACK-eliciting? -recovery -transport design has-consensus > > * #2741 Re-visit initial keys discard -tls -transport design has-consensus > > * #2944 Layout of PreferredAddress -transport design has-consensus > > Pull requests >=20 > > quicwg/base-drafts (+3/-5/=F0=9F=92=AC14) >=20 > > 3 pull requests submitted: >=20 > > * #3183 Limit CWND increase in slow start (by ianswett) -recovery > > * #3182 Add an enum indicating the timer_mode (by ianswett) -recovery > > * #3178 token-based greasing / initial packet protection (downgrada= ble variant) (by kazuh= o)=20 > > 8 pull requests received 14 new comments: >=20 > > * #3183 Limit CWND increase in slow start (2 by ianswett, janaiyengar) -recovery > > * #3182 Add an enum indicating the timer_mode (2 by ianswett, marten-seemann) -recovery > > * #3166 token-based greasing / initial packet protection (1 by kazuho) -transport design > > * #3120 Add retry integrity tag (3 by kazuho, martinthomson, mikkelfj) -tls -transport > > * #3099 Idle timeout indicates you will timeout (1 by ianswett) -transport > > * #3066 Change PTO to be per packet number space (1 by marten-seemann) -recovery design > > * #3050 Rewrite key update section (3 by DavidSchinazi, martinthomson) -tls design > > * #3042 Use the FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR for errors in frame encoding <= https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3042> (1 by martinthomson) -t= ransport design > > 5 pull requests merged: >=20 > > * #3167 kMaxDatagramSize -> max_datagram_size -recovery > > * #3045 Allow ClientHello to span multiple QUIC packets -tls > > * #3096 MUST retire Connection IDs becoming stale -transport design > > * #2993 Stateless reset comparisons (constant time/any order/datagr= am) -transport design > > * #3098 CONNECTION_CLOSE is non-ack-eliciting -recovery -transport design > > Repositories tracked by this digest: >=20 > > * https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts >=20 > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > From nobody Mon Nov 4 10:20:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 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>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Henrik Levkowetz >>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Michael, David, >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2019-09-20 23:04, Michael Richardson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave Rice > wrote: >>>>>>>> Another annoyance here is the the xml processor in the submission >>>>>>>> tool >>>>>>>> and the xml processor at >>>>>>>> https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html >>>>>>>> perform >>>>>>>> differently, >>>>>>>> so there=E2=80=99s effectively no test environment to use before >>>>>>>> submitting. >>>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave, can you please try xml2rfc.ietf.org >>>>>>> , which is a different installation, >>>>>>> supported by a different entity? >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael: =C2=A0Umm, no, that redirects to tools.ietf.org >>>>>> , too, and the processor >>>>>> behind that, and behind >>>>>> https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html, >>>>>> _and_ behind the submission tool are all the latest release of >>>>>> xml2rfc. >>>>>> >>>>>> David: I'd be happy to look into any discrepancies you see, but I >>>>>> can only >>>>>> do so if you provide observations and input XML files for me to wor= k >>>>>> with. =C2=A0It won't happen if I don't know about it :-) >>>>> >>>> >>>>> When I use the tool at https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org or >>>>> https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/experimental.html, the plain text >>>>> output appears ok, but when I use >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/submit/ >>>>> , the contents of the >>>>> elements (which are new in xml2rfc version 3) have thei= r >>>>> line breaks stripped out and thus cause an error when the line lengt= h >>>>> limits are exceeded. >>>> >>>> That sounds like a bug. >>>> >>>>> For the moment, I=E2=80=99m proposing a find and replace to convert = the newer >>>>> elements back to elements as in >>>>> https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1/pull/171/commits/a018f091534678f45cc1= 57bfd154518ad6267c7e >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> thus an xml2rfc version 2 processor or version 3 processor should >>>>> proceed accurate results though not as semantically clear in the >>>>> xml. >>>>> >>>>>> FWIW, if you have atools.ietf.org login, yo= u >>>>>> can use the xml2rfc >>>>>> issue >>>>>> tracker athttps://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/newticket, >>>>>> for >>>>>> xml2rfc issues, andhttps://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/newtick= et >>>>>> for datatracker issues. >>>>> >>>>> I don=E2=80=99t have a login, but I=E2=80=99ll see if I can make a t= iny test file for >>>>> this issue and file a concise ticket. >>>> >>>> Please don't put time into this; I'm perfectly happy to work from the >>>> xml >>>> file you found problematic on submission. =C2=A0Just let me know the = name >>>> of the >>>> draft in question, so I can pull it. >>> >>> I just uploaded this new version of the EBML specification to the >>> datatracker. >>> >>> >>> On lines 559-609 and 824-939 there are nodes that contain >>> multi-line xml expressions. During the upload the idnit test showed no >>> issues or nits at all. =C2=A0However in the resulting files at >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cellar-ebml/12/=C2=A0the o= utputs >>> remove the line-breaks of the multi-line xml within the >>> nodes. So in the HTML version the is shown as a single >>> line, see >>> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-cellar-ebml-12.html#name-ebml-schem= a-example, >>> >>> >>> and in the plain text as well, see Section 11.1.1 of >>> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-cellar-ebml-12.txt. >>> >>> In another document, I have been find/replacing the node >>> with the older node as a workaround. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Dave Rice >>> ... >> >> I had the same problem and reported it as >> . >> >> Best regards, Julian > > Henrik, > > could you please let us know what the status is? Does it make sense to > retry now? > ... Henrik, any news on this? Any idea what could be causing this, and when it'll be fixed? 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Please check the Legal Provisions document at https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info to determine if you need the pre-RFC5378 disclaimer. I tried looking at the source for idnits but i confess my awk-fu is weak. I managed to identify that "created" was being set to the empty string on that input (i think) but i couldn't figure out how it was supposed to be set. AFAICT, that draft is very standard in how it refers to the date of creation, so it seems like this is likely a gap in idnits. 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boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] idnits 2.16.02 counts line length using bytes and not characters (but xml2rfc 2.34.0 line-wraps counting chars, not bytes) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 20:52:12 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i tried running idnits 2.16.02 on a local copy of an intermediate build of draft-autocrypt-lamps-protected-headers (something between -00 and =2D01). idnits complained that one of my lines was > 72 chars long. It was correct that the line was > 72 *bytes* long, but because the txt was using UTF-8 (and not all characters are 7-bit clean), the line itself was <=3D 72 characters. the line in question was: =2D--- In the diagrams below, "=E2=86=A7" (DOWNWARDS ARROW FROM BAR, U+21A7) is= used =2D--- This .txt file was generated from xml2rfc 2.34.0-1 (as shipped in debian). For draft -01 i've worked around it by adjusting the text so that it reflows to have both the chars and bytes <=3D 72, so i'm not blocked on the error, but i wanted to document it here (happy to also report it on a bugtracker if you prefer, let me know). My concern is that if xml2rfc is line-wrapping its txt output based on the number of characters, then idnits should *also* be doing its line-length-counting on the basis of characters, not the number of bytes. So i think the two tools should probably be better aligned if we want to support non-ASCII characters in the published txt documents. --dkg --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYIAB0WIQTJDm02IAobkioVCed2GBllKa5f+AUCXcCPagAKCRB2GBllKa5f +AwiAPwJ9Mjtari9YwzTcyoIk0hFgdojDRXA5q3RleXr6WgpVwEAhZCoDAc9Spwh pDfsqS2upm2ANXs6sL/eNFuvw2YV7wk= =gjTb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Nov 4 13:07:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB9612081E for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:07:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XI-nJuCoG_cG for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C25212002E for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:56957 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iRjZ8-0003i9-GG; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 13:07:10 -0800 To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <87h83jpdp1.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 22:07:00 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87h83jpdp1.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TMV4PwdWCPf6D20dNqwFDx3q4kJUklUrf" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, dkg@fifthhorseman.net X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits 2.16.02 counts line length using bytes and not characters (but xml2rfc 2.34.0 line-wraps counting chars, not bytes) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 21:07:18 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --TMV4PwdWCPf6D20dNqwFDx3q4kJUklUrf Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="M3SKADM1xBP6tj5ulbW3ThNgRT1E6uTkn"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits 2.16.02 counts line length using bytes and not characters (but xml2rfc 2.34.0 line-wraps counting chars, not bytes) References: <87h83jpdp1.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> In-Reply-To: <87h83jpdp1.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> --M3SKADM1xBP6tj5ulbW3ThNgRT1E6uTkn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniel, Agreed. A rewrite of idnits which will do better in this respect is in progress. Best regards, Henrik On 2019-11-04 21:51, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > i tried running idnits 2.16.02 on a local copy of an intermediate build= > of draft-autocrypt-lamps-protected-headers (something between -00 and > -01). >=20 > idnits complained that one of my lines was > 72 chars long. >=20 > It was correct that the line was > 72 *bytes* long, but because the txt= > was using UTF-8 (and not all characters are 7-bit clean), the line itse= lf > was <=3D 72 characters. >=20 > the line in question was: >=20 > ---- > In the diagrams below, "=E2=86=A7" (DOWNWARDS ARROW FROM BAR, U+21A7= ) is used > ---- >=20 > This .txt file was generated from xml2rfc 2.34.0-1 (as shipped in debia= n). >=20 > For draft -01 i've worked around it by adjusting the text so that it > reflows to have both the chars and bytes <=3D 72, so i'm not blocked on= > the error, but i wanted to document it here (happy to also report it on= > a bugtracker if you prefer, let me know). >=20 > My concern is that if xml2rfc is line-wrapping its txt output based on > the number of characters, then idnits should *also* be doing its > line-length-counting on the basis of characters, not the number of > bytes. >=20 > So i think the two tools should probably be better aligned if we want t= o > support non-ASCII characters in the published txt documents. >=20 > --dkg >=20 >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 --M3SKADM1xBP6tj5ulbW3ThNgRT1E6uTkn-- --TMV4PwdWCPf6D20dNqwFDx3q4kJUklUrf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits 2.16.02 counts line length using bytes and not characters (but xml2rfc 2.34.0 line-wraps counting chars, not bytes) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 15:39:34 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain On Mon 2019-11-04 22:07:00 +0100, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Agreed. A rewrite of idnits which will do better in this respect is > in progress. great, thanks! By the way, the incluson of UTF-8 characters has been really helpful for this specific draft, as it permits pretty diagrams of MIME structure that would be tedious to explain in text, or harder to follow visually if we left out edges between parent and child nodes. I really appreciate the work that goes into modernizing the IETF toolchain to permit these improvements. My only regret is that the htmlizer on tools.ietf.org seems to work from the uploaded .txt variant, rather than building the html directly from the .xml source. "xml2rfc --html --v3" produces a document that is *much* nicer to read (and better structured from an HTML point of view) than the htmlized txt source. Is there any plan to generate the HTML from the uploaded xml in this way for future documents? --dkg --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYIAB0WIQTJDm02IAobkioVCed2GBllKa5f+AUCXcFsbQAKCRB2GBllKa5f +J0+AQDtfvR4hsYxnLzpMTb0XebnNLhmPyzNTWJr65xGOurAEgEAh/8jI6Er/HYe uLbYTzsl8whKlK0Q6I6K5d9xpiGK9Qw= =GhwZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Nov 5 08:01:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26F91200E6 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 08:01:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xBNVipF00HBk for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 08:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from durif.tools.ietf.org (durif.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::3d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08CF312013A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 08:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:52449 helo=tannat.localdomain) by durif.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iS1H7-0007PQ-5v; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 08:01:45 -0800 To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <87h83jpdp1.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> <87woceo61e.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <7072e27a-e214-ff30-a6de-93f26796c706@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:01:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87woceo61e.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uKsF1mTsINER821I1R5xI5uct7GToeeJD" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, dkg@fifthhorseman.net X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on durif.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits 2.16.02 counts line length using bytes and not characters (but xml2rfc 2.34.0 line-wraps counting chars, not bytes) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:01:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --uKsF1mTsINER821I1R5xI5uct7GToeeJD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="W2wwR5eiaRdUE2ECE562EiAFBwMfUHxPi"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <7072e27a-e214-ff30-a6de-93f26796c706@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits 2.16.02 counts line length using bytes and not characters (but xml2rfc 2.34.0 line-wraps counting chars, not bytes) References: <87h83jpdp1.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> <87woceo61e.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> In-Reply-To: <87woceo61e.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> --W2wwR5eiaRdUE2ECE562EiAFBwMfUHxPi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniel, On 2019-11-05 13:34, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On Mon 2019-11-04 22:07:00 +0100, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >=20 >> Agreed. A rewrite of idnits which will do better in this respect is >> in progress. >=20 > great, thanks! >=20 > By the way, the incluson of UTF-8 characters has been really helpful fo= r > this specific draft, as it permits pretty diagrams of MIME structure > that would be tedious to explain in text, or harder to follow visually > if we left out edges between parent and child nodes. >=20 > I really appreciate the work that goes into modernizing the IETF toolch= ain > to permit these improvements. >=20 > My only regret is that the htmlizer on tools.ietf.org seems to work fro= m > the uploaded .txt variant, rather than building the html directly from > the .xml source. "xml2rfc --html --v3" produces a document that is > *much* nicer to read (and better structured from an HTML point of view)= > than the htmlized txt source. >=20 > Is there any plan to generate the HTML from the uploaded xml in this wa= y > for future documents? If you submit v3 XML, HTML is already being generated from the XML. Right at the moment, it looks like the net (or wider area?) that datatracker.ietf.org lives on is unreachable (I see this for multiple machines in the same geographic area) but when it's reachable again, you should see a link to the generated html on the datatracker page for the document, and you should also find it next to the .txt and =2Exml files in the repository: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-autocrypt-lamps-protected-headers.html Best regards, Henrik --W2wwR5eiaRdUE2ECE562EiAFBwMfUHxPi-- --uKsF1mTsINER821I1R5xI5uct7GToeeJD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAl3BnOEACgkQTptXS4+7 Fxp7og/9HPJ9GOAtrj0FZnM7w+h4teaAkUGF/+dy6N4ezF3lAvVJHmfMzkkPsgkI 8Elj3PrlH1t7H1Hs2b90CXjxtAbb2Qv4tTVjStyjucN6+lUzVCLx2VN7hbDmuAS8 YPieJa0MTUiHt6f4nhP/Cq21nlNbJ4hSNrxElPZz96wMnwaA6JnB0Sa1xwxjHZM3 TsOecEFb4gVBZ9ZmBAFZT0Stk2V/jYSdR7N6X1o9dN8BtBhu44NSr4P8it4vNsWF 1ATDOnpW5w962imSG/I9cQNCRghNNuDKX/4tOgHIziLhpeuJPbw4QE7moOBnzA7V cxiTgs4bFh1RlrN1ZU4qKC+9yZdp850mEXea9+dD6KOLeNvPE6e9+xtvy27f9CE6 ZCWk+xkJma6ADU77MNVwTUHo+EpsVXNdYyBkpaIGIZUqo4d/LXW/2A8vDg2NTcUf PuR92ya3z7YjCGp1GAY/pg0S2as2IKmrBgyaDX9nGmmmDiZnjWmRhsW3Pj7czAj8 m2wOzPZVmKj1U1Hrnfh+vICwuFQANm1b5aTLQrfgfYF77n4wCx9i7N7O+i5bsS/K ksQC0eHkQO79Ta7ES3CLDWp88NBGrffgCXoYj3WiHNTjx0Gk5rJPcFTfjERl3R8l s6wlMXgftSMPyIKDCUWISs0G/D8lu5LBgK/0XpdDTEPbcAHiaRk= =X46q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uKsF1mTsINER821I1R5xI5uct7GToeeJD-- From nobody Tue Nov 5 08:22:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C559A12022A for ; 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Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7072e27a-e214-ff30-a6de-93f26796c706@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ekUA690GWjnua460urlfFqwa7CrxgSLiv" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, dkg@fifthhorseman.net X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on durif.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits 2.16.02 counts line length using bytes and not characters (but xml2rfc 2.34.0 line-wraps counting chars, not bytes) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:22:54 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --ekUA690GWjnua460urlfFqwa7CrxgSLiv Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="6tmJ047HwrqXRjkVtF3kX7EIvJCAfOVbN"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] idnits 2.16.02 counts line length using bytes and not characters (but xml2rfc 2.34.0 line-wraps counting chars, not bytes) References: <87h83jpdp1.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> <87woceo61e.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> <7072e27a-e214-ff30-a6de-93f26796c706@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <7072e27a-e214-ff30-a6de-93f26796c706@levkowetz.com> --6tmJ047HwrqXRjkVtF3kX7EIvJCAfOVbN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniel, Below: On 2019-11-05 17:01, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Daniel, >=20 > On 2019-11-05 13:34, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> On Mon 2019-11-04 22:07:00 +0100, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >>=20 >>> Agreed. A rewrite of idnits which will do better in this respect is >>> in progress. >>=20 >> great, thanks! >>=20 >> By the way, the incluson of UTF-8 characters has been really helpful f= or >> this specific draft, as it permits pretty diagrams of MIME structure >> that would be tedious to explain in text, or harder to follow visually= >> if we left out edges between parent and child nodes. >>=20 >> I really appreciate the work that goes into modernizing the IETF toolc= hain >> to permit these improvements. >>=20 >> My only regret is that the htmlizer on tools.ietf.org seems to work fr= om >> the uploaded .txt variant, rather than building the html directly from= >> the .xml source. "xml2rfc --html --v3" produces a document that is >> *much* nicer to read (and better structured from an HTML point of view= ) >> than the htmlized txt source. >>=20 >> Is there any plan to generate the HTML from the uploaded xml in this w= ay >> for future documents? >=20 > If you submit v3 XML, HTML is already being generated from the XML. >=20 > Right at the moment, it looks like the net (or wider area?) that > datatracker.ietf.org lives on is unreachable (I see this for multiple > machines in the same geographic area) but when it's reachable again, > you should see a link to the generated html on the datatracker page > for the document, and you should also find it next to the .txt and > .xml files in the repository: >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-autocrypt-lamps-protected-headers.html Mmm. That lacked the necessary version number, so was incorrect. I also= see that the XML file is not pure v3, so HTML won't be generated by the submission tool. If you run the current XML file through 'xml2rfc --v2v3 ...' you should g= et a pure v3 file you can use for future work. 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We did get the new v3 HTML version referenced in the document = datatracker if you click the =E2=80=9Cstatus=E2=80=9D link below, you = will see the first HTML link is the new version. We also got the old HTML version using the htmlized link in the document = datatracker. This seems unnecessary to me. But below, you see two htmlized links in the outgoing email and neither = of these refer to the new v3 HTML version. I would like to see both of these links removed and replaced with a link = to the v3 HTML version in the announcement email. Also, note how the box characters in the v3 HTML version end up are = unaligned? There is probably something going wrong here in the CSS or = maybe our source but I=E2=80=99m not sure what. Maybe we=E2=80=99re not = using the correct vertical bar? Any help on that would be appreciated so = we don=E2=80=99t get wavy lines. Thanks, Tom > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt > Date: November 4, 2019 at 11:27:24 AM EST > To: "Tim Wattenberg" , "Tom Pusateri" = >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt > has been successfully submitted by Tim Wattenberg and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout > Revision: 04 > Title: DNS TIMEOUT Resource Record > Document date: 2019-11-04 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 17 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-0= 4.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout/ > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04 > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout > Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04= >=20 > Abstract: > This specification defines a new DNS TIMEOUT resource record (RR) > that associates a lifetime with one or more zone resource records. > It is intended to be used to transfer resource record lifetime state > between a zone's primary and secondary servers and to store lifetime > state during server software restarts. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 --Apple-Mail=_5EB8E300-835E-4747-B93B-1064C42BEC68 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi,
As a follow up to DKG=E2=80=99s = comments about v3 submissions and UTF-8 box characters, we recently = submitted this draft.

We did get the new v3 HTML version referenced in the document = datatracker if you click the =E2=80=9Cstatus=E2=80=9D link below, you = will see the first HTML link is the new version.
We = also got the old HTML version using the htmlized link in the document = datatracker. This seems unnecessary to me.

But below, you see two htmlized links = in the outgoing email and neither of these refer to the new v3 HTML = version.

I = would like to see both of these links removed and replaced with a link = to the v3 HTML version in the announcement email.
Also, note how the box characters in = the v3 HTML version end up are unaligned? There is probably something = going wrong here in the CSS or maybe our source but I=E2=80=99m not sure = what. Maybe we=E2=80=99re not using the correct vertical bar? Any help = on that would be appreciated so we don=E2=80=99t get wavy = lines.

Thanks,
Tom

Begin = forwarded message:

From: = internet-drafts@ietf.org
Subject: = New Version = Notification for draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt
Date: = November 4, 2019 at 11:27:24 AM = EST
To: = "Tim Wattenberg" <mail@timwattenberg.de>, "Tom Pusateri" <pusateri@bangj.com>


A new version = of I-D, draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt
has = been successfully submitted by Tim Wattenberg and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: = draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout
Revision: 04
Title:= = DNS TIMEOUT Resource Record
Document date: = 2019-11-04
Group: Individual Submission
Pages:= = 17
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pusateri-dnsop-updat= e-timeout-04.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-ti= meout/
Htmlized: =       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout= -04
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-pusateri-dnsop-upda= te-timeout
Diff: =           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-pusateri-dnsop-update= -timeout-04

Abstract:
=   This specification defines a new DNS TIMEOUT resource record = (RR)
  that associates a lifetime with one or = more zone resource records.
  It is intended to = be used to transfer resource record lifetime state
=   between a zone's primary and secondary servers and to store = lifetime
  state during server software = restarts.




Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the = time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are = available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF = Secretariat


= --Apple-Mail=_5EB8E300-835E-4747-B93B-1064C42BEC68-- From nobody Tue Nov 5 18:33:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19ECE12002E for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:33:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.28 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.28 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d5T3wXj34Xp9 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:33:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4D0A12003E for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from Svantevit.local (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id xA62XJPh067560 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Nov 2019 20:33:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1573007601; bh=UmXvSB55slZJIVEhNX+kaRl0tgfL5qz+c+fS50XlPbs=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=dOWjxKmpI83cMYqqw/6FgauPhkTkxDvusiDg2gUUiozgix1tS6poBpWfCiOvWtfAK aseJSlb68NpJX1HCQfMy509SJHkJThj/pFmJUGDDdOG1waT6PogSyZSWPZa5nuQSf8 56rdbjLqvM1QAA978HgBqAthBrUfCZUcVWyVWMqw= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be Svantevit.local To: Tom Pusateri , tools-discuss References: <157288484424.16663.3995065379449438987.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 20:33:13 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F31D3C60CA804A51AB2855FD" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] UTF-8 box characters with wavy lines in XML2RFC v3 draft X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 02:33:26 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F31D3C60CA804A51AB2855FD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit While v3 allows Unicode characters, it's not a free-for-all anything-goes permission. RFC 7997 outlines the nine very narrowly scoped ways that Unicode can be used in v3 documents. I can't find one that covers the use in your draft. Which one do you think applies? /a On 11/5/19 7:21 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: > Hi, > As a follow up to DKG’s comments about v3 submissions and UTF-8 box > characters, we recently submitted this draft. > > We did get the new v3 HTML version referenced in the document > datatracker if you click the “status” link below, you will see the > first HTML link is the new version. > We also got the old HTML version using the htmlized link in the > document datatracker. This seems unnecessary to me. > > But below, you see two htmlized links in the outgoing email and > neither of these refer to the new v3 HTML version. > > I would like to see both of these links removed and replaced with a > link to the v3 HTML version in the announcement email. > > Also, note how the box characters in the v3 HTML version end up are > unaligned? There is probably something going wrong here in the CSS or > maybe our source but I’m not sure what. Maybe we’re not using the > correct vertical bar? Any help on that would be appreciated so we > don’t get wavy lines. > > Thanks, > Tom > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *internet-drafts@ietf.org >> *Subject: **New Version Notification for >> draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt* >> *Date: *November 4, 2019 at 11:27:24 AM EST >> *To: *"Tim Wattenberg" > >, "Tom Pusateri" > > >> >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Tim Wattenberg and posted to the >> IETF repository. >> >> Name:draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout >> Revision:04 >> Title:DNS TIMEOUT Resource Record >> Document date:2019-11-04 >> Group:Individual Submission >> Pages:17 >> URL: >> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt >> Status: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout/ >> Htmlized: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04 >> Htmlized: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout >> Diff: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04 >> >> Abstract: >>   This specification defines a new DNS TIMEOUT resource record (RR) >>   that associates a lifetime with one or more zone resource records. >>   It is intended to be used to transfer resource record lifetime state >>   between a zone's primary and secondary servers and to store lifetime >>   state during server software restarts. >> >> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org >> . >> >> The IETF Secretariat >> > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org --------------F31D3C60CA804A51AB2855FD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
While v3 allows Unicode characters, it's not a free-for-all anything-goes permission. RFC 7997 outlines the nine very narrowly scoped ways that Unicode can be used in v3 documents. I can't find one that covers the use in your draft. Which one do you think applies?

/a

On 11/5/19 7:21 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
Hi,
As a follow up to DKG’s comments about v3 submissions and UTF-8 box characters, we recently submitted this draft.

We did get the new v3 HTML version referenced in the document datatracker if you click the “status” link below, you will see the first HTML link is the new version.
We also got the old HTML version using the htmlized link in the document datatracker. This seems unnecessary to me.

But below, you see two htmlized links in the outgoing email and neither of these refer to the new v3 HTML version.

I would like to see both of these links removed and replaced with a link to the v3 HTML version in the announcement email.

Also, note how the box characters in the v3 HTML version end up are unaligned? There is probably something going wrong here in the CSS or maybe our source but I’m not sure what. Maybe we’re not using the correct vertical bar? Any help on that would be appreciated so we don’t get wavy lines.

Thanks,
Tom

Begin forwarded message:

Subject: New Version Notification for draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt
Date: November 4, 2019 at 11:27:24 AM EST
To: "Tim Wattenberg" <mail@timwattenberg.de>, "Tom Pusateri" <pusateri@bangj.com>


A new version of I-D, draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt
has been successfully submitted by Tim Wattenberg and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout
Revision: 04
Title: DNS TIMEOUT Resource Record
Document date: 2019-11-04
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 17
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout
Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04

Abstract:
  This specification defines a new DNS TIMEOUT resource record (RR)
  that associates a lifetime with one or more zone resource records.
  It is intended to be used to transfer resource record lifetime state
  between a zone's primary and secondary servers and to store lifetime
  state during server software restarts.




Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

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--------------F31D3C60CA804A51AB2855FD-- From nobody Tue Nov 5 18:39:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28EC12002E for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:39:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=bangj.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fPVAxDF4fKbf for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:39:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from oj.bangj.com (69-77-154-174.static.skybest.com [69.77.154.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEE3E120154 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.10.110] (mta-107-13-246-59.nc.rr.com [107.13.246.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F27542D771; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:39:04 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bangj.com; s=201907; t=1573007945; bh=AITwzOUU/DOyUt8rpaLKwaPvLW/9neJ1hFW+Q3IVcMQ=; h=From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:From; b=JdTa7vGVrh5m8HziSf8vao43nxbG/1wSlx4gJorXZutUdn8T8S60x4l7MHZGtmTRV wXJ6h/ONy+Zh1D9omFjL9W4QKZqc9f3KmUA2oZ1ZCuKkbk4ijeSbG66zUf/tF0yEtn azNxa2e52wd7XZnbq0NpbZWlYUhQKYqruUEEsH2PLUp78KiVvTpVnzh9XF1grQ/Wh/ u8LtktV48tWca+nVGFlgN2C+EMrktX6Si+e9H7m5B8Hftx3P91j6GrN3AKPXirz70A gyzg3oR7qND8e1zRE27p1VikTN6CZUvmKuu41ku0EAxT/vBHL7UUwL+JvAIuEk9dFT 7PbjbYC3x6BqQ== From: Tom Pusateri Message-Id: <8BE4B9D2-4145-43C4-AA9E-2DAE68F2765F@bangj.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6454F2E2-DD02-4A7A-B043-38C4D2309E01" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:39:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: Cc: Tom Pusateri , tools-discuss To: Adam Roach References: <157288484424.16663.3995065379449438987.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] UTF-8 box characters with wavy lines in XML2RFC v3 draft X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 02:39:09 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6454F2E2-DD02-4A7A-B043-38C4D2309E01 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 We were told on this list that box characters were allowed in artwork. Tom > On Nov 5, 2019, at 9:33 PM, Adam Roach wrote: >=20 > While v3 allows Unicode characters, it's not a free-for-all = anything-goes permission. RFC 7997 outlines the nine very narrowly = scoped ways that Unicode can be used in v3 documents. I can't find one = that covers the use in your draft. Which one do you think applies? >=20 > /a >=20 > On 11/5/19 7:21 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >> Hi, >> As a follow up to DKG=E2=80=99s comments about v3 submissions = and UTF-8 box characters, we recently submitted this draft. >>=20 >> We did get the new v3 HTML version referenced in the document = datatracker if you click the =E2=80=9Cstatus=E2=80=9D link below, you = will see the first HTML link is the new version. >> We also got the old HTML version using the htmlized link in the = document datatracker. This seems unnecessary to me. >>=20 >> But below, you see two htmlized links in the outgoing email and = neither of these refer to the new v3 HTML version. >>=20 >> I would like to see both of these links removed and replaced with a = link to the v3 HTML version in the announcement email. >>=20 >> Also, note how the box characters in the v3 HTML version end up are = unaligned? There is probably something going wrong here in the CSS or = maybe our source but I=E2=80=99m not sure what. Maybe we=E2=80=99re not = using the correct vertical bar? Any help on that would be appreciated so = we don=E2=80=99t get wavy lines. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Tom >>=20 >>> Begin forwarded message: >>>=20 >>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org >>> Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt >>> Date: November 4, 2019 at 11:27:24 AM EST >>> To: "Tim Wattenberg" >, "Tom Pusateri" > >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> A new version of I-D, draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt >>> has been successfully submitted by Tim Wattenberg and posted to the >>> IETF repository. >>>=20 >>> Name: draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout >>> Revision: 04 >>> Title: DNS TIMEOUT Resource Record >>> Document date: 2019-11-04 >>> Group: Individual Submission >>> Pages: 17 >>> URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-0= 4.txt = >>> Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout/ = >>> Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04 = >>> Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout = >>> Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04= = >>>=20 >>> Abstract: >>> This specification defines a new DNS TIMEOUT resource record (RR) >>> that associates a lifetime with one or more zone resource records. >>> It is intended to be used to transfer resource record lifetime = state >>> between a zone's primary and secondary servers and to store = lifetime >>> state during server software restarts. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org = . >>>=20 >>> The IETF Secretariat >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss = >>=20 >> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org >> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb = >> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org = >>=20 >> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at >> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues = >> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org = >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_6454F2E2-DD02-4A7A-B043-38C4D2309E01 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 We = were told on this list that box characters were allowed in artwork.

Tom
On Nov = 5, 2019, at 9:33 PM, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:

=20 =20
While v3 allows Unicode characters, it's not a free-for-all anything-goes permission. RFC 7997 outlines the nine very narrowly scoped ways that Unicode can be used in v3 documents. I can't find one that covers the use in your draft. Which one do you think applies?

/a

On 11/5/19 7:21 PM, Tom Pusateri = wrote:
Hi,
As a follow up to DKG=E2=80=99s comments about v3 submissions and = UTF-8 box characters, we recently submitted this draft.

We did get the new v3 HTML version referenced in = the document datatracker if you click the =E2=80=9Cstatus=E2=80=9D = link below, you will see the first HTML link is the new version.
We also got the old HTML version using the = htmlized link in the document datatracker. This seems unnecessary to = me.

But below, you see two htmlized links in the outgoing email and neither of these refer to the new v3 HTML version.

I would like to see both of these links removed = and replaced with a link to the v3 HTML version in the announcement email.

Also, note how the box characters in the v3 HTML version end up are unaligned? There is probably something going wrong here in the CSS or maybe our source but I=E2=80=99m not = sure what. Maybe we=E2=80=99re not using the correct vertical bar? Any help = on that would be appreciated so we don=E2=80=99t get wavy lines.

Thanks,
Tom

Begin forwarded message:

From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
Subject: = New = Version Notification for draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt
Date: November 4, 2019 at 11:27:24 AM EST
To: "Tim Wattenberg" = <mail@timwattenberg.de>, "Tom Pusateri" <pusateri@bangj.com>


A new version of I-D, draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt
has been successfully submitted by Tim Wattenberg and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: = draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout
Revision: 04
Title: DNS TIMEOUT Resource Record
Document date: 2019-11-04
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 17
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pusate= ri-dnsop-update-timeout-04.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pusateri-d= nsop-update-timeout/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pusateri-dnsop-= update-timeout-04
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-pusat= eri-dnsop-update-timeout
Diff: =           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-pusater= i-dnsop-update-timeout-04

Abstract:
  This specification defines a new DNS TIMEOUT = resource record (RR)
  that associates a lifetime with one or more = zone resource records.
  It is intended to be used to transfer = resource record lifetime state
  between a zone's primary and secondary = servers and to store lifetime
  state during server software restarts.




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= --Apple-Mail=_6454F2E2-DD02-4A7A-B043-38C4D2309E01-- From nobody Tue Nov 5 20:46:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9929E120855 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 20:46:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rYKrm_NbWln2 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 20:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C08D120170 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 20:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from Svantevit.local (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id xA64kjCR089310 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Nov 2019 22:46:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1573015607; bh=XzPgJz4g/kA2OYWUjNsv9mcogN3i2ZKCFJ1aWexwV6I=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Wj43eUuBbS7WU3nBP2W3SbpBGnaQwB4EOud2drgMFF/quAxA0VwLr5/n1kG+2bJs+ sMEsR5KdEi1vq1kFyFykpOxyDqeyMpkRpzwB/jekv0dI6yC5oH8R9Hd5hKSGjbqbx3 Awu1LUtlP/K+NHgqWWOOOZS5MrQ72UJ3i5mckiLs= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be Svantevit.local To: Tom Pusateri Cc: Tom Pusateri , tools-discuss , "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" References: <157288484424.16663.3995065379449438987.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <8BE4B9D2-4145-43C4-AA9E-2DAE68F2765F@bangj.com> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <515fd70d-27c4-b23d-0050-6d3501803115@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 22:46:40 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8BE4B9D2-4145-43C4-AA9E-2DAE68F2765F@bangj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] UTF-8 box characters with wavy lines in XML2RFC v3 draft X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 04:46:52 -0000 On 11/5/19 8:39 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: > We were told on this list that box characters were allowed in artwork. That's not on my radar. I'll let Heather (copied) chime in with her perspective. In any case, the *general* problem you're running into is that many monospaced fonts don't include much more than the basic accented Latin character set, and this results in substituting glyphs from other fonts (rather than rendering tofu or the questionmark "replacement character") that are of a different width than the fixed one used by the font in question. This is why, had the question come up generally, I would have pushed back on the notion of using box characters in diagrams [1]: even if it works okay on your system, it's likely to fail on someone's. The *specific* problem you're running into is that Roboto Mono (or whatever your system uses as the default monospace font if you don't have Roboto Mono installed) doesn't contain "▶", and so it's getting pulled in from some other font, where it's wider. /a ____ [1] That is, absent some compelling data showing that they are generally available in all -- or at least the vast majority of -- popular fixed-width fonts. I think the current episode shows where such an assertion would be implausible. From nobody Tue Nov 5 21:30:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD87120855 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:30:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=bangj.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0hzVAaBB7ooX for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from oj.bangj.com (69-77-154-174.static.skybest.com [69.77.154.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E10A8120804 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.10.169] (mta-107-13-246-59.nc.rr.com [107.13.246.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0237F2D794; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:30:20 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bangj.com; s=201907; t=1573018220; bh=fNHvoEB7E3mUPbhcT6hwFxSAt7m89V/scn2y2I8I0iU=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:Cc:In-Reply-To:To:From; b=dwYaWwAkH6YWMVyk35v8oSjm2bG+FDdt+VZvmMWqFR+n6xmcQaP9ous2+hB8h926g Kmry3ZhZjx9rm5OkUcM4S6j7XgIc7VmjHpOv/pyE8crSmJiRrBlp2Z/K00e0sm0fQm bpm87IJ6O+WllsuDuKcJ3tocupW2EuWmkw7Xjy7aDPXLKsA1icVnVSnNr36Jzec9Hv YZEiuR/ojOu9ID1g/RMXzqD2lHr4xCb4yzslvEHVbtvmd4GLUdpLajSIJFrzAbJWnm Bv0mPrcuOE7zEiCM/IOKCiae7lL2uubnohxzsV+B1IOYxIvKgua0gqd12i695hVtQz qtCwNB7zqCn0Q== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Tom Pusateri Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:30:19 -0500 Message-Id: <31468A3A-FF68-4F58-BC89-54B277A423F1@bangj.com> References: <515fd70d-27c4-b23d-0050-6d3501803115@nostrum.com> Cc: Tom Pusateri , tools-discuss , "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" In-Reply-To: <515fd70d-27c4-b23d-0050-6d3501803115@nostrum.com> To: Adam Roach X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17B84) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] UTF-8 box characters with wavy lines in XML2RFC v3 draft X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 05:30:22 -0000 > On Nov 5, 2019, at 11:57 PM, Adam Roach wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 11/5/19 8:39 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >> We were told on this list that box characters were allowed in artwork. >=20 > That's not on my radar. I'll let Heather (copied) chime in with her perspe= ctive. >=20 > In any case, the *general* problem you're running into is that many monosp= aced fonts don't include much more than the basic accented Latin character s= et, and this results in substituting glyphs from other fonts (rather than re= ndering tofu or the questionmark "replacement character") that are of a diff= erent width than the fixed one used by the font in question. >=20 > This is why, had the question come up generally, I would have pushed back o= n the notion of using box characters in diagrams [1]: even if it works okay o= n your system, it's likely to fail on someone's. >=20 > The *specific* problem you're running into is that Roboto Mono (or whateve= r your system uses as the default monospace font if you don't have Roboto Mo= no installed) doesn't contain "=E2=96=B6", and so it's getting pulled in fro= m some other font, where it's wider. >=20 > /a >=20 > ____ > [1] That is, absent some compelling data showing that they are generally a= vailable in all -- or at least the vast majority of -- popular fixed-width f= onts. I think the current episode shows where such an assertion would be imp= lausible. But we completely control the HTML document and can even embed the font. Th= is sounds like a solvable problem. Tom= From nobody Tue Nov 5 22:10:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027B712082B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 22:10:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9smBjc2TmQrw for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 22:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FFC0120273 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 22:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.17.0.10] (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id xA66A37A003307 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:10:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1573020605; bh=06AmsYnQ7Htf/J4t3Pw2ac4nd4saMdtcJ3l6pThDH84=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:Cc:In-Reply-To:To; b=czqPMAc/XeotowJYVIEp//YeiwSSoCNcRymtUv428gCnuYRoi71Cdr/zbEOGth/GZ h04pGix7D/A+Ibkpw/WGKHghw1b20J1AqrmJXWFc0nHhULvPRATYvQIzxubvOExVry B5gnc5qPP4q+zboERmXXOZDrrY9+DwPk4S3qlkYY= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be [172.17.0.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Adam Roach Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:09:57 -0600 Message-Id: <8F23347E-D33C-415E-8D0D-EC3AF2017268@nostrum.com> References: <31468A3A-FF68-4F58-BC89-54B277A423F1@bangj.com> Cc: Tom Pusateri , tools-discuss , "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" In-Reply-To: <31468A3A-FF68-4F58-BC89-54B277A423F1@bangj.com> To: Tom Pusateri X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17A878) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] UTF-8 box characters with wavy lines in XML2RFC v3 draft X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 06:10:10 -0000 > On Nov 5, 2019, at 23:30, Tom Pusateri wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >=20 >>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 11:57 PM, Adam Roach wrote: >>>=20 >>> =EF=BB=BFOn 11/5/19 8:39 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>> We were told on this list that box characters were allowed in artwork. >>=20 >> That's not on my radar. I'll let Heather (copied) chime in with her persp= ective. >>=20 >> In any case, the *general* problem you're running into is that many monos= paced fonts don't include much more than the basic accented Latin character s= et, and this results in substituting glyphs from other fonts (rather than re= ndering tofu or the questionmark "replacement character") that are of a diff= erent width than the fixed one used by the font in question. >>=20 >> This is why, had the question come up generally, I would have pushed back= on the notion of using box characters in diagrams [1]: even if it works oka= y on your system, it's likely to fail on someone's. >>=20 >> The *specific* problem you're running into is that Roboto Mono (or whatev= er your system uses as the default monospace font if you don't have Roboto M= ono installed) doesn't contain "=E2=96=B6", and so it's getting pulled in fr= om some other font, where it's wider. >>=20 >> /a >>=20 >> ____ >> [1] That is, absent some compelling data showing that they are generally a= vailable in all -- or at least the vast majority of -- popular fixed-width f= onts. I think the current episode shows where such an assertion would be imp= lausible. >=20 > But we completely control the HTML document and can even embed the font. T= his sounds like a solvable problem. >=20 Sure, and my take is that your proposed cure would be several orders of magn= itude worse than the disease. The prospect of requiring specific fonts for p= roper HTML rendering is almost certainly not what we want. Also, the TXT version renders incorrectly for many fonts (including the one t= hat shows up on my laptop), and your proposal doesn=E2=80=99t fix it.=20 /a= From nobody Tue Nov 5 23:51:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CD2120C01 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 23:51:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OappA5xEQ11k for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 23:51:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFAA1120BFF for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 23:51:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (p548DC893.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.200.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 477Jd86Pwlz10BC; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 08:51:24 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <8F23347E-D33C-415E-8D0D-EC3AF2017268@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 08:51:24 +0100 Cc: Tom Pusateri , "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" , Tom Pusateri , tools-discuss X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 594719482.478665-41bfa39abc8ce6796f3437d9f2bc9355 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <32583250-B918-42DD-83D7-A770E6BDB71F@tzi.org> References: <31468A3A-FF68-4F58-BC89-54B277A423F1@bangj.com> <8F23347E-D33C-415E-8D0D-EC3AF2017268@nostrum.com> To: Adam Roach X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] UTF-8 box characters with wavy lines in XML2RFC v3 draft X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 07:51:29 -0000 On Nov 6, 2019, at 07:09, Adam Roach wrote: >=20 >> But we completely control the HTML document and can even embed the = font. This sounds like a solvable problem. >>=20 >=20 >=20 > Sure, and my take is that your proposed cure would be several orders = of magnitude worse than the disease. The prospect of requiring specific = fonts for proper HTML rendering is almost certainly not what we want. We already embed the font (PT Mono). I=E2=80=99m not very good with the inspector, but Chrome appears to say = about this draft [1]: PT Mono=E2=80=94Local file(2280 glyphs) Courier=E2=80=94Local file(24 glyphs) Lucida Grande=E2=80=94Local file(2 glyphs) I don=E2=80=99t know how to get Chrome to reveal which characters of the = HTML source which glyph out of the above list. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten [1]: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout From nobody Wed Nov 6 00:27:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF81120178 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:27:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LmzRBB8hRFIo for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:27:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7BE01200F8 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (p548DC893.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.200.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 477KQT1cppz108V; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 09:27:13 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <32583250-B918-42DD-83D7-A770E6BDB71F@tzi.org> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 09:27:12 +0100 Cc: Tom Pusateri , "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" , Tom Pusateri , tools-discuss X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 594721631.23905-605ca37a29972f98d671de58ad2e7805 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <31468A3A-FF68-4F58-BC89-54B277A423F1@bangj.com> <8F23347E-D33C-415E-8D0D-EC3AF2017268@nostrum.com> <32583250-B918-42DD-83D7-A770E6BDB71F@tzi.org> To: Adam Roach X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] UTF-8 box characters with wavy lines in XML2RFC v3 draft X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 08:27:23 -0000 On Nov 6, 2019, at 08:51, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > We already embed the font (PT Mono). =E2=80=A6and PT Mono does contain the appropriate character, =E2=96=BA = U+25BA BLACK RIGHT-POINTING POINTER, just not =E2=96=B6 U+25B6 BLACK = RIGHT-POINTING TRIANGLE. I believe that, once the tools have stabilized, it will be easier to = stay within a reasonable repertoire. Instead of standardizing this in = some rigid spec, it should be the RPC that guides the authors towards = =E2=80=9Creasonable=E2=80=9D (and the tools should help with this). Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Nov 6 07:10:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6EB120C54 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:10:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nxEOzRpBXyUo for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:10:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51650120904 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:10:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDFC3818F; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFEB614; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:10:43 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Tom Pusateri cc: tools-discuss In-Reply-To: References: <157288484424.16663.3995065379449438987.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] UTF-8 box characters with wavy lines in XML2RFC v3 draft X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 15:10:50 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom Pusateri wrote: > Also, note how the box characters in the v3 HTML version end up are > unaligned? There is probably something going wrong here in the CSS or > maybe our source but I=E2=80=99m not sure what. Maybe we=E2=80=99re n= ot using the > correct vertical bar? Any help on that would be appreciated so we don= =E2=80=99t > get wavy lines. I didn't see anything unaligned... maybe some CSS didn't load yesterday due to the attack? I do like how nice those diagrams look; is there a reason you didn't use box characters for the packet layout? I now feel that we ought have a meta-language to generate nice packet layouts... I once worked on an ID for such a thing. =2D- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl3C4nMACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXIIAf8CUfOUta1ORSpVQwnDAFbR+aFdjJYMdiO7LNBC8rfU04fV2f9d0IC013c TtNYFRku74KBjLU+m/Kp/K2qD5rRUg3qPVqeKMie3JcNEBJDqQMkcQR0xFuMB+xy zZY6j0zlvRXSFXApLJyLUGAg0/OX08K86pJ2AbGg2hHaXIO911ZKiIm4JUQPOaeM L2cxgX6BNk/Uxd7/Qlxr7pP3W1lrhOmwa4Hwt7TruTWRALJ8Evp+fvlSx/7RAmBL R6OhCFrImwyIFdXk3lngEAGqOJ4n7HnQX058IDFzegCnq71Q4oiNkvRzsi+pai2y wTPLf6+tg4Ncsc/yqEw2cRGmyDRvZA== =1vxw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Nov 6 07:14:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2704F120CA6 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:14:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9i_dAOHdE3Xl for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50C15120C99 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:14:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C943818F; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCAE14; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:14:38 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Carsten Bormann cc: Adam Roach , "Heather Flanagan \(RFC Series Editor\)" , tools-discuss , Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: References: <31468A3A-FF68-4F58-BC89-54B277A423F1@bangj.com> <8F23347E-D33C-415E-8D0D-EC3AF2017268@nostrum.com> <32583250-B918-42DD-83D7-A770E6BDB71F@tzi.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] UTF-8 box characters with wavy lines in XML2RFC v3 draft X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 15:14:45 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carsten Bormann wrote: > I believe that, once the tools have stabilized, it will be easier to > stay within a reasonable repertoire. Instead of standardizing this in > some rigid spec, it should be the RPC that guides the authors towards > =E2=80=9Creasonable=E2=80=9D (and the tools should help with this). And, at the risk of invoking https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-protocol= -maintenance-04 (which clearly nobody wants to apply to email), it would be nice if our too= ls were capable of doing more than the subset that the RFC-editor wants to publish, as there are some other entities that like our approach. (I recall GRID being one of them) =2D- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl3C414ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WX0oAf/eywIHG0bHRBtxNw0kKqRLnq24xOHPR1p5Pz+nFXHiqj1wMkDtZC8twfm S7KUExtfbftOjAetzCajC9Pr5+c67JtylR7IeVE6x97xvnJF8EzWLpiaVY9bXPPM T6KmPnbOTsJncJaHy+DWQ8Ik1Ov2C0GW1dvTC/J12/s5dEIOhCqwMU1hAQCG9YWq kHT7ZZwv67ziTIpz1jhgSLngCcMkGwc+bJudBCUg10VQrvUw18TiD6ZbPBpGcKWK Yd8ee6CmzwxosCYwOdtve45Nhxzz+r/wFHHcJXB8Q51fRqUHNLWJj6Z1mzC4DAsp mdzFAqFwjopPqZwE2hmjnqiLVSPhNw== =tsGq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Nov 6 10:57:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DDE120104 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:56:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2_tMW_r2ICRg for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta7.iomartmail.com (mta7.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.157]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F188512001A for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from vs1.iomartmail.com (vs1.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.121]) by mta7.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id xA6IurCN029054; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 18:56:53 GMT Received: from vs1.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C05E22040; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 18:56:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.249]) by vs1.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7048B2203A; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 18:56:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V ([84.93.96.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id xA6IuqSn001992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 6 Nov 2019 18:56:53 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 18:56:51 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <07a601d594d3$f41c66d0$dc553470$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdWU0r1BMepiGRDVT1WuWJfhAHRSpg== Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 84.93.96.25 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-25026.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--6.984-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--6.984-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-25026.001 X-TMASE-Result: 10--6.983900-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: Hdj7t4hsgZTBSrt3Of4m5sGNvKPnBgOaz+tKvxV+YbAjRiu1AuxJTFZT boMx7GZjrvHNwfIoNQ7BxVNeNzsv2aNXh+W8xOf/73UEGh+e8caXGEdoE+kH/4xRWJphhsrcEzV FkDpoYnV/ckKRuFhFn5BkG5HCqFEWOCFBf2FViV8P+S9aVEd79taE/HFaAgprr5aAJxq+KoaKKq iRyR19lvD+zGPeytf6IUmX+V9fKhIbsHYW24cRO7nFs9cSXx1m/VwzHs5bf7ywhoMWvpWGIaPFj JEFr+olfeZdJ1XsorjVx1xtCQOagFOm2gN+noms2bNx1HEv7HAqtq5d3cxkNRvNkDaN+tImS/Ez MuR3ge6FhxGHI2K+dzj72DVH9zBfzCuZOnFVxJ8= X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Idnits feature request X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 18:56:58 -0000 Hi, Been discussing this with the other stream heads and wondered whether there is space for a feature in your To Do list for idnits. I see at https://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/todo that you have an item for cross-checking obsoletion of higher level docs. Could you also check for obsoletes/updates across streams (e.g., an Independent Submission attempts to Obsolete an IETF Stream RFC) and generate a warning such as: "This document attempts to obsolete/update an RFC from another stream. Specific rules may apply to this process, and you will need sign-off from both stream heads before this document can proceed." Very much appreciate the work that the tools team does. Best, Adrian -- Adrian Farrel Independent Submissions Editor (ISE) rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org From nobody Thu Nov 7 10:43:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6216A12012E for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 10:43:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BDKWMY453cHf for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 10:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B66A1200B4 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 10:43:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1573152174; bh=ydpVj9eSZZZ7jEE51Q+jaClb5cZB/MeAFTPWPg7vF44=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:To:Cc:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=DSHz67coxp2CXPP5u3TRSfJKHUQIulEi8rg0cYWwbDnr58o4uSzWKH4zn4a72g0iq diwF0f4gFxTJBhQMJhgjteDcXIkBfisy+kos9y7JgJT0o8u3ZOpxTSkrMNqhH0+Zgw j1zc8vo3wTpSTUHel4bBZPpYtV6zMnEjQOypbDU8= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([84.171.147.62]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M9Wys-1iW68I37Ku-005Zue; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 19:42:54 +0100 From: Julian Reschke To: Dave Rice Cc: rfc-interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <20285.1568652805@localhost> <705AA16B-68B1-4B5E-AE47-0714F6781C1A@dericed.com> <26105.1568818137@localhost> <1268.1568828850@localhost> <15814.1569013442@localhost> <3a8f5865-9f5c-8c65-63be-bca31c5f1c86@levkowetz.com> <3650B5EF-A442-4291-928A-2FCB2144134C@dericed.com> <06122b6d-d5f9-30b9-2db4-a2427d299a1f@levkowetz.com> <97e68838-ac0c-25e4-67a9-a2a998b6e8af@gmx.de> <3ef6a53c-e18a-9fc7-8324-67f388acd32f@gmx.de> <60a9d29f-03ef-5842-0c21-6930293759da@gmx.de> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 19:42:52 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <60a9d29f-03ef-5842-0c21-6930293759da@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:jQXDRB7SJm+v6LRMH7lPlBjC5Fnpe32HTvE8fzGzo4N2BUAPd1O rVkMOj2/7yn+B5GfontrnVCN9wcB6+Sql+3POpIHAnmMjobuM0VxNUUHfV8Vp53YfScn5Ot wF9aXpp4n0c7YnFTcyWX0PYDdWBZNNnCeFeru3bPnzZsRvLaxK+MKf6BrSq+nLaEqIvLH6c 1MpKUdydo6kenkNXZ8g0w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:BqAM2PDYjs0=:gci6Z1unGM9ucFZ+hiFZ3S z9Hrp/FHpDRiQE0XX/GjQKlIQxjKAl1WDdpVuqsIAMP/buybsYzZTBYkLuvXVdMfz26Ej0xpm gQKR914S+L6ul8chi86hqvnm0J6krCQjbWfnhpAgZzqY2eRQBrjVFYDcGX7VrBNkvaDb1KwF1 uP0dKne/lnQzj4WDKJJI2bRSUqZZ3PS6lmw+txwKzBL2TIJv0wrs1xQ2O8vK76d5lX+7lDV5l Nyq4VdyJ+8qOhkQS51BTERbzhdX+vAekm5dup1qNr/cQYlYvDib5UVoDZDEKkieMDZJSXOdRd zYZy5UzUrIWaGkXOfyXqJ842iEm7+CxRqfrdEbHe8s1QNPe7YPxOx1ihjre+sBiXmJU+X+txZ h4F83UoOJiB+kE5DaFExSAqpBE4dkiAVDH5SFIe99z1O3iAG7yU5N2f9y4pG0+cjBt5p1Ax7O lGBAPbI1gBgE65/i1T3O0h4Dfx0g11AcbTFX9b+Cs91ECQEogl85KQKqE5fzf2Y1FTYO+g+DV Nouz3uASQbJ491XNFc8Z2AVUa7ldTi0gqQDGaFOIoEwzb2IF/MAUnKzJHUkDYijiSp1vGTRpD pN3G+T8tgmKV7ctbVbk0JzC1HdWAi/C32d6KtpLcB1K2NKIi9nO0i7OeCsWkhSDbwS4cnM4RX 4W9YEVXknvOZgY27868TIK12IaxeJSjHVu0oIziqjTn92weVg1DA42MZiiWXlrLDUbbvEy9s4 QLb3PI83C0YQ2yD1qWNpj0NVjX5zpCGHadFjDYJJwQiuX60igngflvFwSGfTXZJQokhqTGlfa 8SRbYpOOZJKsXGr30Yky9Ije6gg3l4/sk0V7oa9hMUMxo9Wetd1uqKOpMTy+All6emCPiJweP zLwMCh0rGtL2zOpCu5OV5XLKUU0nWkuB9ns9mtduObcftGrqbzgnNKVQqvf8afF23lMqT4X6j g2mtGWcoG7uV1Uk0Ax8Nq5gqlJtGMM5HlkCo9EJFz3OSa6fGw+n5AhlDspXqyT7CjFOd6rWdu KhJzg2jWBnR2S/8+MnrC6eb5v5S0wo8+k06Dxiii/m23v56mH978vOSc6UsCO09091Chg/4D8 Il+o+J4uVoSZcw2EThzvQsGcHVmRlGBPj+n3KNIX924S25Kv27qzKMQMnkTXMwnZ+KdKttBrB +ygeCcFOBgBVsdOzHeG5sOXKd/ZW8avMcqQe/tAPQBSua4TwBFWVymGA/cvGtxNEFiADDYW3N 9lzIhDhukMxNkw3GVRa6sv75f3NunqQF+tCrdUGUFSnF2+JJtX6bID4EPqdo= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] missing line ends in generated TXT (from datatracker) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 18:43:48 -0000 On 04.11.2019 19:18, Julian Reschke wrote: > ... >>> I had the same problem and reported it as >>> . >>> >>> Best regards, Julian >> >> Henrik, >> >> could you please let us know what the status is? Does it make sense to >> retry now? >> ... > > Henrik, > > any news on this? Any idea what could be causing this, and when it'll be > fixed? > ... Ok, so this was reported first by Dave ~1 month ago. Who's in charge and can give us an update? Best regards, Julian From nobody Thu Nov 7 12:06:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CC212098D for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 12:06:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ltxkTDF8FE5Y for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 12:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 266701208C2 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 12:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.30.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id xA7K5GvU012008 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 7 Nov 2019 14:05:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1573157117; bh=f2dA7DVcMnkcm0fMgZVJQeZrKwFcJul9nXuZObPP6UE=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=h6ooppMuuE+WTnm6IswED56dVcoRH7Zz5xp1SVveNRmvgvGsj4THL0bkG9JbtvsD6 Xb2UfF33CNF3N3It4y5dgz5fyRby0qwYm/He+wV67BYTT8w9hchko+Qk9L4RkQa1Bn QukrTGhd29XRGXenYYiiXWwHY5eI8nkUf/K7DBPs= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.30.41] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: Julian Reschke , Dave Rice Cc: rfc-interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <20285.1568652805@localhost> <705AA16B-68B1-4B5E-AE47-0714F6781C1A@dericed.com> <26105.1568818137@localhost> <1268.1568828850@localhost> <15814.1569013442@localhost> <3a8f5865-9f5c-8c65-63be-bca31c5f1c86@levkowetz.com> <3650B5EF-A442-4291-928A-2FCB2144134C@dericed.com> <06122b6d-d5f9-30b9-2db4-a2427d299a1f@levkowetz.com> <97e68838-ac0c-25e4-67a9-a2a998b6e8af@gmx.de> <3ef6a53c-e18a-9fc7-8324-67f388acd32f@gmx.de> <60a9d29f-03ef-5842-0c21-6930293759da@gmx.de> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <6d152022-4218-4cad-7eda-2af13af2c61e@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 14:05:15 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] missing line ends in generated TXT (from datatracker) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 20:06:14 -0000 Julian - I think that in the Project Manager role (particularly its priority management aspect), I'm "who's in charge" for the question you ask. The update I can give you on this particular ticket is that it has been on the radar, but hasn't been higher priority than many of the immediate changes needed by the RPC as we first took v3 into production. The rate of such changes is slowing (but only a little), and the nature of them are such that I think this particular issue will likely make the top of the stack within the next few weeks (remember there is an IETF meeting in that time). Visibility into the full set of issues and prioritization is less than I would like - many issues were reported and addressed through direct communication between the RPC and Henrik, and I feel that was the right way to handle them given the nature of the cut-over. As the rate is becoming more sane, I expect we'll see increased use of the ticketing system for this set of tools. RjS On 11/7/19 12:42 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 04.11.2019 19:18, Julian Reschke wrote: >> ... >>>> I had the same problem and reported it as >>>> . >>>> >>>> Best regards, Julian >>> >>> Henrik, >>> >>> could you please let us know what the status is? Does it make sense to >>> retry now? >>> ... >> >> Henrik, >> >> any news on this? Any idea what could be causing this, and when it'll be >> fixed? >> ... > > Ok, so this was reported first by Dave ~1 month ago. > > Who's in charge and can give us an update? > > Best regards, Julian > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest From nobody Thu Nov 7 12:51:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828F8120132 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 12:51:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:50:46 +0100 To: Robert Sparks , Dave Rice Cc: rfc-interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <20285.1568652805@localhost> <705AA16B-68B1-4B5E-AE47-0714F6781C1A@dericed.com> <26105.1568818137@localhost> <1268.1568828850@localhost> <15814.1569013442@localhost> <3a8f5865-9f5c-8c65-63be-bca31c5f1c86@levkowetz.com> <3650B5EF-A442-4291-928A-2FCB2144134C@dericed.com> <06122b6d-d5f9-30b9-2db4-a2427d299a1f@levkowetz.com> <97e68838-ac0c-25e4-67a9-a2a998b6e8af@gmx.de> <3ef6a53c-e18a-9fc7-8324-67f388acd32f@gmx.de> <60a9d29f-03ef-5842-0c21-6930293759da@gmx.de> <6d152022-4218-4cad-7eda-2af13af2c61e@nostrum.com> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <13ed3399-91a5-33a3-d24c-f25dffd4d30f@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 21:50:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6d152022-4218-4cad-7eda-2af13af2c61e@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:gSplnhcgymdkA0Dg0NTZYYmKsDiosU1VyYhPft2jO+1LXI5UGxO ZyJmNgtd95IqUmo7w2fR2bI8/t6U9t7JTdS+nK4NfPUNMspcMCrFVxr9fL/cuojoSxtYbsV AdsD2wzaTcZ9HcbZy0m1QbgBbP6tpgJtPrq2YwyOcISRXX8Z7ZcWBdwxUhIERsHlccsEXMn ei6X7Px3IrE6oKLK5ndWw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:fYl4bqepy6s=:WTkE5VQCNPKjOJcI0ni4Wr rmoPpYJE9yxuz7eNUqGEBnz/ti8CNe5Z8/T6VBJKfsdADP3n8EmOmGVwDRiTAPukabBCqH/dP d54c4uJkuV611q8EQBjcIunq1as31/A6yULrTTC4xl7STDSSLI4Sut2WxLmntI/WEb770w2++ dLQ79Rngx65NSm4s6bztFBGiDwQNG0In6wbqIKyOQDGypV6LrQTVuMLiRMPUkankWpuhWnxv1 yjbT381Euv12AJN2rbhf9eJhHAZiva4p3XlJu6CZ6A2VdII4+ejNx5vAhzATuFoKB405RAbkf PVGBAUa9PPJ1fsMk/741Hx/ukccTgkTpe++Dc5EDNRgyy3f1dgfCZKePCn7NNEkbnFCUM18k3 h0vptPUHyjJYNZWMuREz4erE/DDSpbquNOg0goKsYNzxMFsHTCH61EYKrp8sAH97g0HPgmOi8 Yi9LETXp0lEU6muFrUa+Er0WgMi4n3rA6QGKsefAPdV0UjtEDxOka1JdqglEH4n1nFgzF300V LxuSL//yCJzOxj3o0r4nEzY9Obe+jmQpoiENRUNuNkl2TslBLYFnbE7dL2gLlN4jAcXNRQz7m rs59RHP8lhOxnsm96Q4lIt33zOHjouIsVvHNVRnFygqiAExzeIyMXIP09VHyoe6NyonVvZTNd yVDjxRcttjNdfNAhc9qeT/n2xHgthP04OizSyeVW6qoGIfcg3JDLhZCsq2G2l8qcHMvtFBsyy T85Z9JsK+1TUWXYcSJ32Y3mRh8xw66F0i6U5YMebC24GTE9Ex/GMN9zrhUdvnbYtjCLCuJuxS GhxX7idNO0rSnJbtLAOZEEb83K3lrcdZ049m8STG7Tiis2J1DVkBMvhO5Bw0vjiT5y0J+NZby TCQVYNtDVwm5WdrAeCjQ4oc2O4v/8Q1QYKWJYpAgcKlwEGjOcYpvo4piLEcwHUirsyqQw0Mv7 34HLgfdXiMzGE/TGdCyFbZf4TPuafltMI2UDXDqUV5wCI4UBDnKlXkGRLke6QAqNHEEJNwWZX rkvAjHbQ5MtnePAyGmsfu9M5EVsFPYCwPjpB+9iPo6FIFj8eixZmP80+f22irXojhZoOSeQ6x xZVyMgwm/a4jX1q38yyl0xNWJLIiZcQf32P7q1usVAYdDp8nnhWCYpX6G4PpU7FNYC43xa3OC QPFIDUl38tDPwUSZ/yXCfQTgc9kxGXyqT7fNjuTWf5pAYiVWemo47f2HdPNKhwTZnXtTD2Hse mPosJ30/cr9vgEUry6is7CHycHw/0PSCId4+lkJI/URD0DgRh7WfrPyTdZro= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] missing line ends in generated TXT (from datatracker) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 20:51:52 -0000 On 07.11.2019 21:05, Robert Sparks wrote: > Julian - > > I think that in the Project Manager role (particularly its priority > management aspect), I'm "who's in charge" for the question you ask. > > The update I can give you on this particular ticket is that it has been > on the radar, but hasn't been higher priority than many of the immediate > changes needed by the RPC as we first took v3 into production. > > The rate of such changes is slowing (but only a little), and the nature > of them are such that I think this particular issue will likely make the > top of the stack within the next few weeks (remember there is an IETF > meeting in that time). > > Visibility into the full set of issues and prioritization is less than I > would like - many issues were reported and addressed through direct > communication between the RPC and Henrik, and I feel that was the right > way to handle them given the nature of the cut-over. As the rate is > becoming more sane, I expect we'll see increased use of the ticketing > system for this set of tools. > > RjS > ... Robert, thanks for the update. It's indeed the lack of information that was bugging me mainly. So maybe we need a ticket system for datatracker? Or is there one that I should have used? Best regards, Julian From nobody Thu Nov 7 12:57:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F186120971 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 12:57:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H2G_04HMGtIF for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 12:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A76E51200D7 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 12:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.30.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id xA7Kv2cR022502 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 7 Nov 2019 14:57:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1573160224; bh=R8QJUaqQl+Pbe2gKQJczBdnUDkgXLSUng5/UB8t6O1w=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=ogW0WXkS/JsCQ9jBGnrC+SLSkIovWWS/fkL5JoUF7z9y9l2vila0pwpoXAALWSyAR rZl9DRosFMVpM9GNZe680GFKqik+T4IfaHE/OXeOp30RHph2MdyoT3O7z443pnToOQ 02VuAH7fHk9jJj0h7WGdN/n5j/2Kr+74zhw81SKo= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.30.41] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: Julian Reschke , Dave Rice Cc: rfc-interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <20285.1568652805@localhost> <705AA16B-68B1-4B5E-AE47-0714F6781C1A@dericed.com> <26105.1568818137@localhost> <1268.1568828850@localhost> <15814.1569013442@localhost> <3a8f5865-9f5c-8c65-63be-bca31c5f1c86@levkowetz.com> <3650B5EF-A442-4291-928A-2FCB2144134C@dericed.com> <06122b6d-d5f9-30b9-2db4-a2427d299a1f@levkowetz.com> <97e68838-ac0c-25e4-67a9-a2a998b6e8af@gmx.de> <3ef6a53c-e18a-9fc7-8324-67f388acd32f@gmx.de> <60a9d29f-03ef-5842-0c21-6930293759da@gmx.de> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <730f143a-f751-e367-22ad-f1fbf53b1c5a@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 14:57:02 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] missing line ends in generated TXT (from datatracker) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 20:57:58 -0000 On 11/7/19 2:50 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 07.11.2019 21:05, Robert Sparks wrote: >> Julian - >> >> I think that in the Project Manager role (particularly its priority >> management aspect), I'm "who's in charge" for the question you ask. >> >> The update I can give you on this particular ticket is that it has been >> on the radar, but hasn't been higher priority than many of the immediate >> changes needed by the RPC as we first took v3 into production. >> >> The rate of such changes is slowing (but only a little), and the nature >> of them are such that I think this particular issue will likely make the >> top of the stack within the next few weeks (remember there is an IETF >> meeting in that time). >> >> Visibility into the full set of issues and prioritization is less than I >> would like - many issues were reported and addressed through direct >> communication between the RPC and Henrik, and I feel that was the right >> way to handle them given the nature of the cut-over. As the rate is >> becoming more sane, I expect we'll see increased use of the ticketing >> system for this set of tools. >> >> RjS >> ... > > Robert, > > thanks for the update. > > It's indeed the lack of information that was bugging me mainly. So maybe > we need a ticket system for datatracker? You meant the v3 format tools perhaps? (The datatracker's ticket system entry point is at https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/newticket.) > Or is there one that I should > have used? You had already entered this at , so I'm not sure what your question is? > > Best regards, Julian > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Thu Nov 7 13:41:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CC81209EF for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 13:41:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Thu, 07 Nov 2019 22:40:25 +0100 To: Robert Sparks , Dave Rice Cc: rfc-interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <20285.1568652805@localhost> <705AA16B-68B1-4B5E-AE47-0714F6781C1A@dericed.com> <26105.1568818137@localhost> <1268.1568828850@localhost> <15814.1569013442@localhost> <3a8f5865-9f5c-8c65-63be-bca31c5f1c86@levkowetz.com> <3650B5EF-A442-4291-928A-2FCB2144134C@dericed.com> <06122b6d-d5f9-30b9-2db4-a2427d299a1f@levkowetz.com> <97e68838-ac0c-25e4-67a9-a2a998b6e8af@gmx.de> <3ef6a53c-e18a-9fc7-8324-67f388acd32f@gmx.de> <60a9d29f-03ef-5842-0c21-6930293759da@gmx.de> <730f143a-f751-e367-22ad-f1fbf53b1c5a@nostrum.com> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <6b05a391-ad8c-285a-b8bd-c5f13fbfa260@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 22:40:22 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <730f143a-f751-e367-22ad-f1fbf53b1c5a@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:KjZrkHuB9tcbnygU+1ucKd/YUmBNo7e/IK5XvBy6au1105vyiT1 Ig87TDQnMTv62vz57kbiVFbIiKQgOjTkfzgjR+xF9KAas9E1+O+ZkivCRb90tACGK/pqQY3 e8Qy1cHdpyRk0HiqXQ1ALBio2JLMVvXGmg28hFnRL7fcL9HdFHIJbGDnxC4JWVOeC/uZeXl SN1Mkqe45lU4Q15paIghw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:S0L7UNya9sU=:jtqr3ipauQQc1vZ4m3bBsa C/2BQWDdbJZkffG9QrkdTsc0GTz5BtBHo1hWcvTVGuypTpJhcAOtKDph53XPWgzV7NwN5NSdW IePqWReU5HYwFj09NHTqP1HA5qkluBWtpdX4FhtHCQJk1FGfKdbWMcB8YwJazTadi1yVrEHkJ mIuY+mIaz2r2MxqyEATmCspkOLHdczLt9az7Snf7OJuVHk2fUp7AF+HGMzt+R01yWck1oOgnW NJxtbjtN31+90e3wqwTclgrJ4t3Dtp3I0hTFMhDLC6KwQ1r4migNAK022nVQNX9dOQMuzLYO2 HcfJV2OBR39bGWReuXfiXc3uo+t0/vsKA2wrFolkh3uEF4RhEKynM24kUEincxS/A2Jk47uQn 1nhdLQvRn6k+MoU7h8o4/8diPWe9UesV9yd1Dyutws4YBWkkBV0zRm2ZEBQdrXQ4fjfJIaf4j 9jPwCy2E/onI5t0HbiuoSBYNHVeMTTsLqM/Lfj93jl2xdFtMESatb2W0OaW9SYrsWSAsRZ/hU eZKHGEALlC5eh40Ih/BrqhOZwRH3tXGsIU5dwXEW/Q9v3WJ+cS5v+S2O1QQ2+AqNI6jX9DzQ/ BY5109w8QVcdrxyKuXqWfOZdkBB2dz1GhYgTjJV5pAPUuTbAIq5tripk+4Oogdu7C8sBE5BP7 KqmyehZ4aFOis/HM5PzQrwTMN6wpelF5eSS7ItzVt9qlDIs0nJmYW2XVdGud6kHRT05NGFWvb SwB24SVw8HYmMjVrV2rflO9sQ6Xxldlahj1WoAmjwOW2v1GUd5GuhJjPF5W24DbOCnLS3RluJ VUTCrMznEhI8/+iJtij77V7QvLJJmi3ClaVI0S6bQM3/l5GCpfsXwV1olAcr7Icdeu6hM472a erW0Etjux7YEgsiMq+2DHpA9ElT88N7b3AvUPuYh9BwVVE4f4sNMTSP5aZqrM3XGo6IPr4Egm 8V0Cq1ziztagBxXOmfSjXlI5itwprWq2jbjZ0L6Idj1lkphus2JDRP9ngmx3hzxr5aLEvahSE jBXQm9akYbrlch6pq7RnjRafB/a/J2z5wDOgLGm8DUAEgUWk4mM6GjHOTzV15fF/tsfO0jNVQ sREKG9mVBVG0Bwo6mwsIodjSEfeN6EQ0834N2UOuZ/6y3ywMjVcIfiiIsOuWKFPcdlj3B/X0g 2tnhmBSwEWPhV5P0Xz267yGa3EgaGIyn0kktCw/sVTphyf8fDADilhBFn8+KFftbuCauhGfNu frD6zf0QdWkHKLML2yv8OhmMiMiosHBol+ZyevCLMunfXY8frAGJtvmO8z+I= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] missing line ends in generated TXT (from datatracker) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:41:35 -0000 On 07.11.2019 21:57, Robert Sparks wrote: > ... >> thanks for the update. >> >> It's indeed the lack of information that was bugging me mainly. So mayb= e >> we need a ticket system for datatracker? > > You meant the v3 format tools perhaps? > > (The datatracker's ticket system entry point is at > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/newticket.) Ok. >> Or is there one that I should >> have used? > You had already entered this at > , so I'm not > sure what your question is? > ... Well, the tickets that I raise there mostly get no feedback at all, so at this point I'm not sure it's worth using that venue. 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Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57A3A038-E6B0-4AE7-BEF5-C28D12693259@mnot.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VA3gQk6p5WMFLr0RHmkBIhRiOeS4wEWKx" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, mnot@mnot.net X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Bad link on liaison statement page X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:28:19 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --VA3gQk6p5WMFLr0RHmkBIhRiOeS4wEWKx Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="UXBC1ULpLEcpbwaQCRsTGM2OD8aKtuCaJ"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Mark Nottingham Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <004abc5d-5eb3-c5e5-63f9-6ddc218be66c@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Bad link on liaison statement page References: <57A3A038-E6B0-4AE7-BEF5-C28D12693259@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: <57A3A038-E6B0-4AE7-BEF5-C28D12693259@mnot.net> --UXBC1ULpLEcpbwaQCRsTGM2OD8aKtuCaJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mark, Thanks; fixed. Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org (That info is always available in the footer of this mailing list). Best regards, Henrik On 2019-11-11 01:38, Mark Nottingham wrote: > On , the link with = the text "field help" near the top goes to . >=20 >=20 > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 --UXBC1ULpLEcpbwaQCRsTGM2OD8aKtuCaJ-- --VA3gQk6p5WMFLr0RHmkBIhRiOeS4wEWKx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAl3JffkACgkQTptXS4+7 FxrQnA/9E4qg7OkCQNl2cizXuQHst4uQLgclguB9Lgbwp88Af5ilUme08HJ/1tWN weISjFFglQ2dZ1IBYUfoquxfVT3cSS6U1F6Z3mNda1YB1WGXARuN6ECYfKZnKRGt twnw/RLFEXIOUASBhifjelgqm0l+GV/cHobNVDpZx4LGxXxT23BfyCMhDgrfUBy6 D7t2gZcCnEYygUetLR+mLVweWgGRGbsUToBGBv0z7k4LaJaMS2ncVZwA7R1F+4sR vj+5+0pXI36tzvdJV8ze16M6iUvtXX/6C189atDO1hd+Vukxlw7LxsunsY9Fl/wM /NErcGOpeeI2ew5Rydli+CwyWrctKmMGtP9kneySV1+HoFUjlehzZMdQqc3MsCpK OayyK+j6W1dfSdF4HTeWSx7d8DGptSGLJms/k4XIxaCXEPXj4sDcyUgL5QfmS64h h/dHeriRqbUx5Thz97E0ylaZc8NGc034MxALUufvddthGi3qO5MJW0UBancgTReP dnMmEQ9mYgAMBkJKTjtJ/TkwUJ6ehZ+PFMtqtqDwbNURjvloyxkVgNkfjZ+Dm4dm k/l2nbiABjjDjxhHivL7XB0mn+GQRDNwl3slaaxk63aG1T0GpHF9SMb8+V5iWNaq 8Oa6VpyZjPeaN2wf9kxopdxwE67gNf+xNRs8O/aKWLU4VBnua20= =rntj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VA3gQk6p5WMFLr0RHmkBIhRiOeS4wEWKx-- From nobody Mon Nov 11 11:25:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18738120164 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:25:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IRgBSKS5iA-I for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E36B6120154 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:25:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id xABJPSRA008791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 14:25:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:25:27 -0800 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20191111192527.GD32847@kduck.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] HTMLized document deals poorly with very long "Updates:" list? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:25:35 -0000 Hi all, Comparing https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate-05 and https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate-05.txt , I see that the former seems to be missing most of the line of "Updates:": "7507 7465 7030 6750 6749 6739". It only has the last of those, and Stephen's affiliation is correspondingly shifted to the left a bunch. Any ideas why this might be happening? Thanks, Ben From nobody Mon Nov 11 11:36:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4931E120971 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:36:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ThzoMRX9A7RS for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:36:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8A9012097B for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:36:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:50399 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iUFU5-0003n1-QY; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:36:22 -0800 To: Benjamin Kaduk , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <20191111192527.GD32847@kduck.mit.edu> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <033eea98-bfed-bdec-7eea-bcd2bc3dcb08@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 20:36:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191111192527.GD32847@kduck.mit.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Fb0srnVkhWUGT9cnNd2V5anh7w5lGfIu0" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, kaduk@mit.edu X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTMLized document deals poorly with very long "Updates:" list? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:36:39 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Fb0srnVkhWUGT9cnNd2V5anh7w5lGfIu0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Ws6RpE9SqRRmcFXPI6dJOPJU3ee47gDlV"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Benjamin Kaduk , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <033eea98-bfed-bdec-7eea-bcd2bc3dcb08@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTMLized document deals poorly with very long "Updates:" list? References: <20191111192527.GD32847@kduck.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20191111192527.GD32847@kduck.mit.edu> --Ws6RpE9SqRRmcFXPI6dJOPJU3ee47gDlV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ben, On 2019-11-11 20:25, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > Comparing > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate-05 and= > https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate-05.txt ,= I > see that the former seems to be missing most of the line of "Updates:":= > "7507 7465 7030 6750 6749 6739". It only has the last of those, and > Stephen's affiliation is correspondingly shifted to the left a bunch. >=20 > Any ideas why this might be happening? Oh, wow. That's not even close to anything I've considered or tested wit= h the htmlization code before. I'll have a look and see what I can do. Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org. 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charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) From: Dave Rice In-Reply-To: <6b05a391-ad8c-285a-b8bd-c5f13fbfa260@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:23:34 -0500 Cc: Robert Sparks , rfc-interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <83EE89DB-B6EB-4495-A5B9-2793BF22F220@dericed.com> References: <20285.1568652805@localhost> <705AA16B-68B1-4B5E-AE47-0714F6781C1A@dericed.com> <26105.1568818137@localhost> <1268.1568828850@localhost> <15814.1569013442@localhost> <3a8f5865-9f5c-8c65-63be-bca31c5f1c86@levkowetz.com> <3650B5EF-A442-4291-928A-2FCB2144134C@dericed.com> <06122b6d-d5f9-30b9-2db4-a2427d299a1f@levkowetz.com> <97e68838-ac0c-25e4-67a9-a2a998b6e8af@gmx.de> <3ef6a53c-e18a-9fc7-8324-67f388acd32f@gmx.de> <60a9d29f-03ef-5842-0c21-6930293759da@gmx.de> <730f143a-f751-e367-22ad-f1fbf53b1c5a@nostrum.com> <6b05a391-ad8c-285a-b8bd-c5f13fbfa260@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server172.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dericed.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server172.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: dave@dericed.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server172.web-hosting.com: dave@dericed.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] missing line ends in generated TXT (from datatracker) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 21:23:45 -0000 > On Nov 7, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >=20 > On 07.11.2019 21:57, Robert Sparks wrote: >> ... >> thanks for the update. >>>=20 >>> It's indeed the lack of information that was bugging me mainly. So = maybe >>> we need a ticket system for datatracker? >>=20 >> You meant the v3 format tools perhaps? >>=20 >> (The datatracker's ticket system entry point is at >> https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/newticket.) >=20 > Ok. >=20 >>> Or is there one that I should >>> have used? >> You had already entered this at >> , so I'm = not >> sure what your question is? >> ... >=20 > Well, the tickets that I raise there mostly get no feedback at all, so > at this point I'm not sure it's worth using that venue. FWIW, for the cellar working group, we pipe our rfc xml through sed to = find all occurrence of and replace them with . = It=E2=80=99s a loss in semantics but seems to workaround this issue for = now. We=E2=80=99ll watch the progress of the ticket and remove our = workaround when it=E2=80=99s resolved. Dave Rice= From nobody Tue Nov 12 07:28:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3975012006E for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 07:28:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08-zl9To6hR7 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 07:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A5E812000F for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 07:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:58246 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iUY5x-0006mm-KD; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 07:28:42 -0800 To: Dave Rice References: <20285.1568652805@localhost> <705AA16B-68B1-4B5E-AE47-0714F6781C1A@dericed.com> <26105.1568818137@localhost> <1268.1568828850@localhost> <15814.1569013442@localhost> <3a8f5865-9f5c-8c65-63be-bca31c5f1c86@levkowetz.com> <3650B5EF-A442-4291-928A-2FCB2144134C@dericed.com> <06122b6d-d5f9-30b9-2db4-a2427d299a1f@levkowetz.com> <97e68838-ac0c-25e4-67a9-a2a998b6e8af@gmx.de> <3ef6a53c-e18a-9fc7-8324-67f388acd32f@gmx.de> <60a9d29f-03ef-5842-0c21-6930293759da@gmx.de> <730f143a-f751-e367-22ad-f1fbf53b1c5a@nostrum.com> <6b05a391-ad8c-285a-b8bd-c5f13fbfa260@gmx.de> <83EE89DB-B6EB-4495-A5B9-2793BF22F220@dericed.com> Cc: rfc-interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Robert Sparks From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <2d06c521-0218-e3d4-61e4-cc329369f4aa@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:28:33 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83EE89DB-B6EB-4495-A5B9-2793BF22F220@dericed.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SFuX5tUgUETnR99JOKWrXwPK1lcqcEMAp" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rjsparks@nostrum.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, dave@dericed.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] missing line ends in generated TXT (from datatracker) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:28:55 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --SFuX5tUgUETnR99JOKWrXwPK1lcqcEMAp Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="uanxtkjr0hJFNrfUtgnxsSiXQxDVB25jA"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Dave Rice Cc: rfc-interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Robert Sparks Message-ID: <2d06c521-0218-e3d4-61e4-cc329369f4aa@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] missing line ends in generated TXT (from datatracker) References: <20285.1568652805@localhost> <705AA16B-68B1-4B5E-AE47-0714F6781C1A@dericed.com> <26105.1568818137@localhost> <1268.1568828850@localhost> <15814.1569013442@localhost> <3a8f5865-9f5c-8c65-63be-bca31c5f1c86@levkowetz.com> <3650B5EF-A442-4291-928A-2FCB2144134C@dericed.com> <06122b6d-d5f9-30b9-2db4-a2427d299a1f@levkowetz.com> <97e68838-ac0c-25e4-67a9-a2a998b6e8af@gmx.de> <3ef6a53c-e18a-9fc7-8324-67f388acd32f@gmx.de> <60a9d29f-03ef-5842-0c21-6930293759da@gmx.de> <730f143a-f751-e367-22ad-f1fbf53b1c5a@nostrum.com> <6b05a391-ad8c-285a-b8bd-c5f13fbfa260@gmx.de> <83EE89DB-B6EB-4495-A5B9-2793BF22F220@dericed.com> In-Reply-To: <83EE89DB-B6EB-4495-A5B9-2793BF22F220@dericed.com> --uanxtkjr0hJFNrfUtgnxsSiXQxDVB25jA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David, On 2019-11-11 22:23, Dave Rice wrote: > FWIW, for the cellar working group, we pipe our rfc xml through sed > to find all occurrence of and replace them with > . It=E2=80=99s a loss in semantics but seems to workaround thi= s > issue for now. We=E2=80=99ll watch the progress of the ticket and remov= e our > workaround when it=E2=80=99s resolved. Another workaround is to generate the txt file yourself, and upload with the XML file. I've started looking into why standalone invocation of xml2rfc handles correctly, while invocation as a library function looses newlines, but I don't have an answer yet. 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It=E2=80=99s a loss in semantics but seems to workaround thi= s >> issue for now. We=E2=80=99ll watch the progress of the ticket and remov= e our >> workaround when it=E2=80=99s resolved. > > Another workaround is to generate the txt file yourself, and upload with > the XML file. I've started looking into why standalone invocation of > xml2rfc handles correctly, while invocation as a library > function looses newlines, but I don't have an answer yet. > ... A wild guess would be that the XML whitespace treatment might be affected by the grammar (when the parser is in validating mode). See: > artwork =3D > element artwork { > attribute xml:base { text }?, > attribute xml:lang { text }?, > attribute anchor { xsd:ID }?, > attribute pn { xsd:ID }?, > attribute xml:space { text }?, > [ a:defaultValue =3D "" ] attribute name { text }?, > [ a:defaultValue =3D "" ] attribute type { text }?, > attribute src { text }?, > [ a:defaultValue =3D "left" ] > attribute align { "left" | "center" | "right" }?, > [ a:defaultValue =3D "" ] attribute alt { text }?, > [ a:defaultValue =3D "" ] attribute width { text }?, > [ a:defaultValue =3D "" ] attribute height { text }?, > attribute originalSrc { text }?, > (text* | svg) > } > sourcecode =3D > element sourcecode { > attribute xml:base { text }?, > attribute xml:lang { text }?, > attribute anchor { xsd:ID }?, > attribute pn { xsd:ID }?, > [ a:defaultValue =3D "" ] attribute name { text }?, > [ a:defaultValue =3D "" ] attribute type { text }?, > [ a:defaultValue =3D "false" ] > attribute markers { "true" | "false" }?, > attribute src { text }?, > attribute originalSrc { text }?, > text > } So those differ in the presence of xml:space, and the actual content model (just text vs text or ). Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Nov 12 10:59:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B26C1208AC for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:59:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id doV4CGfNM_gn for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04ED31200DB for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:59591 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iUbNv-0003Yk-Mw; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:59:29 -0800 To: Dave Rice References: <20285.1568652805@localhost> <705AA16B-68B1-4B5E-AE47-0714F6781C1A@dericed.com> <26105.1568818137@localhost> <1268.1568828850@localhost> <15814.1569013442@localhost> <3a8f5865-9f5c-8c65-63be-bca31c5f1c86@levkowetz.com> <3650B5EF-A442-4291-928A-2FCB2144134C@dericed.com> <06122b6d-d5f9-30b9-2db4-a2427d299a1f@levkowetz.com> <97e68838-ac0c-25e4-67a9-a2a998b6e8af@gmx.de> <3ef6a53c-e18a-9fc7-8324-67f388acd32f@gmx.de> <60a9d29f-03ef-5842-0c21-6930293759da@gmx.de> <730f143a-f751-e367-22ad-f1fbf53b1c5a@nostrum.com> <6b05a391-ad8c-285a-b8bd-c5f13fbfa260@gmx.de> <83EE89DB-B6EB-4495-A5B9-2793BF22F220@dericed.com> <2d06c521-0218-e3d4-61e4-cc329369f4aa@levkowetz.com> Cc: rfc-interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Robert Sparks From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <67d9f975-44a1-a815-2b8c-150dd18bdbcb@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 19:59:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2d06c521-0218-e3d4-61e4-cc329369f4aa@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="twllAXrI260NMNvIo0vbnUT5tgRaULc2E" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rjsparks@nostrum.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, dave@dericed.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] missing line ends in generated TXT (from datatracker) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 18:59:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --twllAXrI260NMNvIo0vbnUT5tgRaULc2E Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="gS3CFwpDusQGuiRv99spNOhnfppsnJI8m"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Dave Rice Cc: rfc-interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Robert Sparks Message-ID: <67d9f975-44a1-a815-2b8c-150dd18bdbcb@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] missing line ends in generated TXT (from datatracker) References: <20285.1568652805@localhost> <705AA16B-68B1-4B5E-AE47-0714F6781C1A@dericed.com> <26105.1568818137@localhost> <1268.1568828850@localhost> <15814.1569013442@localhost> <3a8f5865-9f5c-8c65-63be-bca31c5f1c86@levkowetz.com> <3650B5EF-A442-4291-928A-2FCB2144134C@dericed.com> <06122b6d-d5f9-30b9-2db4-a2427d299a1f@levkowetz.com> <97e68838-ac0c-25e4-67a9-a2a998b6e8af@gmx.de> <3ef6a53c-e18a-9fc7-8324-67f388acd32f@gmx.de> <60a9d29f-03ef-5842-0c21-6930293759da@gmx.de> <730f143a-f751-e367-22ad-f1fbf53b1c5a@nostrum.com> <6b05a391-ad8c-285a-b8bd-c5f13fbfa260@gmx.de> <83EE89DB-B6EB-4495-A5B9-2793BF22F220@dericed.com> <2d06c521-0218-e3d4-61e4-cc329369f4aa@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <2d06c521-0218-e3d4-61e4-cc329369f4aa@levkowetz.com> --gS3CFwpDusQGuiRv99spNOhnfppsnJI8m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave, On 2019-11-12 16:28, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi David, >=20 > On 2019-11-11 22:23, Dave Rice wrote: >> FWIW, for the cellar working group, we pipe our rfc xml through sed >> to find all occurrence of and replace them with >> . It=E2=80=99s a loss in semantics but seems to workaround th= is >> issue for now. We=E2=80=99ll watch the progress of the ticket and remo= ve our >> workaround when it=E2=80=99s resolved. >=20 > Another workaround is to generate the txt file yourself, and upload wit= h > the XML file. I've started looking into why standalone invocation of > xml2rfc handles correctly, while invocation as a library > function looses newlines, but I don't have an answer yet. I've found the problem and patched the datatracker. When draft submissio= n starts again, this should be handled correctly. 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Michael Richardson To: "Salz\, Rich" cc: Tools Team Discussion In-reply-to: <310B3662-BF5A-4943-9107-198A725EEEA3@akamai.com> References: <310B3662-BF5A-4943-9107-198A725EEEA3@akamai.com> Comments: In-reply-to "Salz, Rich" message dated "Sun, 17 Nov 2019 07:35:21 +0000." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 22:43:23 +0800 Message-ID: <7326.1574001803@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Advice on DT schema changes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:43:30 -0000 Salz, Rich wrote: > I want to add a uniform and extensible way of attaching =E2=80=9Cexte= rnal > references=E2=80=9D to DT objects: groups, people, documents. For exa= mple, I=E2=80=99d > like us to be able to say =E2=80=9Cthis is the GitHub repository for = this > draft,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Cmy GitLab username is rsalz,=E2=80=9D and = =E2=80=9Cthe homepage for this WG is > https:=E2=80=A6..=E2=80=9D The SQL seems fine. I didn't quite understand your migration python code. I got the general gist of it, and it seems right, but it's certainly not in migration style. I guess you are initializing things from ref_names: value side with a unique id saved into cache, but I didn't see where you used tha= t. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [ From nobody Sun Nov 17 14:06:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BEB12008C for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:06:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:55:11 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 595742106.042133-a1bef25f141af5dd692b8fcc22eba490 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:55:07 +0800 Message-Id: To: tools-discuss X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Email address obfuscation on 106sidemeetings wiki X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 03:55:16 -0000 Can we switch off the Email address obfuscation on the 106sidemeetings = wiki? (I know, click on edit, but why???) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Sun Nov 17 20:35:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE52120848 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:35:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gOIN_y4O1ZvT for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 759B5120839 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-9eec.meeting.ietf.org ([31.133.158.236]:60337) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iWYkx-0002zJ-I4; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:35:20 -0800 To: Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss References: From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 05:35:16 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QlfbKbG1SJOpHfpfjjN3f4qVbkbqGR0TX" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 31.133.158.236 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, cabo@tzi.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Email address obfuscation on 106sidemeetings wiki X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:35:23 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --QlfbKbG1SJOpHfpfjjN3f4qVbkbqGR0TX Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="odFrsP63gqMfWOk7p9CIVHA2bJFlaMw5L"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Email address obfuscation on 106sidemeetings wiki References: In-Reply-To: --odFrsP63gqMfWOk7p9CIVHA2bJFlaMw5L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2019-11-18 04:55, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Can we switch off the Email address obfuscation on the 106sidemeetings = wiki? > (I know, click on edit, but why???) I'll see if I can find a knob for that. Meanwhile, if you log in (using the datatracker login) you'll see the full addresses. The obfuscation is= only in force when you're not logged in. 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Meanwhile, if you log in = (using > the datatracker login) you=E2=80=99ll see the full addresses. =20 I also assumed this and tried logging in. No dice=E2=80=A6 > The obfuscation is > only in force when you=E2=80=99re not logged in. Actually, it is (see snippets below). Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten --Apple-Mail=_6E41ED9E-5835-48D7-886D-1D6BDFEE1EA8 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_286BA642-D841-48C7-B0C1-5A4A6BA39EDF" --Apple-Mail=_286BA642-D841-48C7-B0C1-5A4A6BA39EDF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi Henrik,

thank you for the quick response.

Can we switch off the Email address = obfuscation on the 106sidemeetings wiki?
(I know, click on = edit, but why???)

I'll see if = I can find a knob for that.  Meanwhile, if you log in (using
the datatracker login) you=E2=80=99ll see the full addresses. =  

I = also assumed this and tried logging in.  No dice=E2=80=A6

The obfuscation is
only in force when you=E2=80=99re not logged in.

Actually, = it is (see snippets below).

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten



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micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XteSdohIpATPpGhGwLE0LpOX6NaQ2XB4D" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 31.133.158.236 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, cabo@tzi.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Email address obfuscation on 106sidemeetings wiki X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:57:55 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --XteSdohIpATPpGhGwLE0LpOX6NaQ2XB4D Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="xGruQ7N7eTLjB7okB43JJavwimpJLUD7O"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Carsten Bormann Cc: tools-discuss Message-ID: <7499492f-8010-7c7d-f4c7-a8c2e1131eff@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Email address obfuscation on 106sidemeetings wiki References: <9AA007B6-D9AE-4923-A70C-140DCE25D121@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <9AA007B6-D9AE-4923-A70C-140DCE25D121@tzi.org> --xGruQ7N7eTLjB7okB43JJavwimpJLUD7O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2019-11-18 05:46, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Hi Henrik, >=20 > thank you for the quick response. >=20 >>> Can we switch off the Email address obfuscation on the 106sidemeeting= s wiki? >>> (I know, click on edit, but why???) >> >> I'll see if I can find a knob for that. Meanwhile, if you log in (usi= ng >> the datatracker login) you=E2=80=99ll see the full addresses.=20 >=20 > I also assumed this and tried logging in. No dice=E2=80=A6 Huh. Ok, how about now? >> The obfuscation is >> only in force when you=E2=80=99re not logged in. >=20 > Actually, it is (see snippets below). Sorry. I found the knob, and it's a permission setting. It was set for me when I logged in, but it turns out I had more than just 'authenticated= ' permissions. I've now given the VIEW_EMAIL permission to anybody who is authenticated. Best regards, Henrik --xGruQ7N7eTLjB7okB43JJavwimpJLUD7O-- --XteSdohIpATPpGhGwLE0LpOX6NaQ2XB4D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAl3SJM4ACgkQTptXS4+7 FxoYsA/+LmACKwhQ1qwtSWG0X/EvFbC+otW55X0Bb2aTNkmodzHOpinfR40kBmm4 w+5qauDVARgkGBQSdmo+KWb3Z7qRbTV8Y82Ydb/c47Y6d2Teomo5+YkMKZ+LN0x5 DBGU7eO1YNIuoC16s8p8B6nCOF/V2yJtzZo0bN3FO+fdGkAagILr8XNIXARqdsju sfsd1onEusUhFGfHzKicWz3sZFjMc7FdgKnzCRJsSZTgTJk+YPZfrmHnuLsjthdO rpPezGbLtAM15mposwsvK+yWd5vgexLb0gfJWs9aakYkhQfwEbUKZ3iaVPvqqh97 bR7EoGTDuq1+yo/R1mJop9sNHspkNExi7Hg0vocPz68DIj2R5LOEixuzz/vYgkDW dRE+WzJdPvsaAaO3gejhBMYY5zYUw07G2UaqAg5pcan/Qy7cVNt0IssY9VWDb4uC aUhcDmjVoHKKVpZ8tjojJts/4qESsnPDVF062iG0UPVRJNqF0inqVljDZNOozEP+ ceGExa8uQYdtXcpZjCAnuVNs7l0gMCHb4+W8l2zjJ2/vz7lULbBxoGVDwBJJjiTe 1lnwEXBhtsEWyK431R/rhc3VA71O7178ADQ3zOkhXO9gdz2uNzHUwpHKUE1JfqwI dCBrqst5/FRq53awcD54QsULGmChEDiAh1C9B3gVkogZjFI3ib4= =lYrQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XteSdohIpATPpGhGwLE0LpOX6NaQ2XB4D-- From nobody Sun Nov 17 21:04:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8A2120891 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:04:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0worjP_zZInz for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CA54120850 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-9c88.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-9c88.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.156.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47GcM06mX7zyZb; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 06:04:28 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <7499492f-8010-7c7d-f4c7-a8c2e1131eff@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:04:25 +0800 Cc: tools-discuss X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 595746263.722424-9e0773f6e1538b052faf7fff9ba4d72a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <71484136-A2B5-44E0-B8F5-D1915B26B162@tzi.org> References: <9AA007B6-D9AE-4923-A70C-140DCE25D121@tzi.org> <7499492f-8010-7c7d-f4c7-a8c2e1131eff@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Email address obfuscation on 106sidemeetings wiki X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 05:04:34 -0000 On Nov 18, 2019, at 12:57, Henrik Levkowetz = wrote: >=20 > Huh. Ok, how about now? Fixed! Thank you. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Sun Nov 17 23:14:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A041200B3 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 23:14:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D3AHHFyGOGnC for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 23:14:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1B92120088 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 23:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (dhcp-8c6a.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.140.106]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 623521F450; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 07:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 5DB2510F5; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:14:12 +0800 (+08) From: Michael Richardson To: "Salz, Rich" cc: Tools Team Discussion In-reply-to: <5CCFDA2C-3431-43AB-8CFA-44301A89F819@akamai.com> References: <310B3662-BF5A-4943-9107-198A725EEEA3@akamai.com> <7326.1574001803@dooku.sandelman.ca> <5CCFDA2C-3431-43AB-8CFA-44301A89F819@akamai.com> Comments: In-reply-to "Salz, Rich" message dated "Sun, 17 Nov 2019 22:05:52 +0000." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <31036.1574061252.1@dooku.sandelman.ca> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:14:12 +0800 Message-ID: <31037.1574061252@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Advice on DT schema changes X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 07:14:18 -0000 Salz, Rich wrote: > The idea is that existing "additional URLs" fields -- for example, look > at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/quic/about/ or > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-subcerts/ -- will have > those fields that are common (as specified in the python script) moved > into the new tables. I am calling those new commonly-named things > "extref" for "external referfence" The value is just a string, but the > idea is that it is an identifier that is useful in some external > context, and having common names for these thing makes more automation > possible. > For example, a "GitHub Repository" extref. We want that name > normalized, so that tooling can fetch it. Right now the additional > URL's are a set of text fields, and the names are not consistent: > "Github repo" "GitHub Repository" "Repository", etc., are all used. > That is the point of the ref_names map, to capture all the existing > names via regexp and map them into a common name which gets an ID in > the external_refs table, which is then used as foreign keys in the > "list of external references" for each of the person, group, doc, Oh, I understand now. I didn't know that there were existing data in a free-form field. From nobody Mon Nov 18 11:57:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC41120B30 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:57:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.435 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.435 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gs0Zk3gd8VeG for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [IPv6:2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:de77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37A0B120145 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [118.201.227.138]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2CA41F47E for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 36A2710A0; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:57:22 +0800 (+08) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:57:22 +0800 Message-ID: <18512.1574107042@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc archives vs datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:57:30 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, my understanding is that xml2rfc.ietf.org is just a redirect to tools.ietf.org, and is not yet supported. Meanwhile, the datatracker.ietf.org is supported, and now are doing XML as primary submission format, and that involves the datatracker reaching out to xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org to run xml2rfc. So, if xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org is down, or is missing a generated reference. file, then I can't submit documents via the datatracker. (Or I have to submit .txt files, perhaps, which I don't know if I do programmatically) What is the plan to rationalize this support situation? =2D-=20 Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl3S96EACgkQlUzhVv38 QpAcRAf+KnWO8Y+1BTOsRFDHePRXGte3mQAX+zQEiK2gGB0s6f7oLMgAng/i1szu av9uPk39eCk7GXJ/YXS6ldn/0kqcVgoPUF2ocBNwjGbIRP0seSlunzrk26KUOlUa q2iuZ7UFmLUep327oulLvVdy1Y6FzphAHyNxq5MCRGU4LYZE2G29gmQEXWpPkr4Z +5uZ8FYoujYPC/T0JFn6jlbPBvqSV6zCj0nBzeMnWUFSNz++DgNrZyaENWd7EAVO HyJ+qEshPSDbirSFni+AeG4FJcYEEmtEMFByJAUcqChTxzIV/5jNdUqr0An5O/HC XxGYuFUK42MfuVldnSiyboJ/0WYcMA== =VtMb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Nov 18 12:24:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1726120B43 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 12:24:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZtXVl4a8MqvZ for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 12:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21055120B41 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 12:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.30.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id xAIKO4dX048403 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:24:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1574108645; bh=qaphkvJsTX4359pVeF0uiYukrUnitOCRCgKkJcopFGk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=pw6cb+/zHOE1FLf2wL3tsWehj62MOqzJ3mdqotdjgacn6+TzNt96pabZU3A38+VuV XdGindQmjATe6TVWjao9GY2+d9xMjwJhyPiMA7dkOeFVBlrB0CnyFK4iG5I7jbwXhw GWRUCivvT/rfFvu2y8FUYP1T+eXI79YBPL938ntM= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.30.41] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <18512.1574107042@dooku.sandelman.ca> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <560990cf-c76f-add2-ed38-1a741601ec32@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:24:04 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <18512.1574107042@dooku.sandelman.ca> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FEF0305EC59FB6748A875E18" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc archives vs datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 20:24:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FEF0305EC59FB6748A875E18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 11/18/19 1:57 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > Hi, my understanding is that xml2rfc.ietf.org is just a redirect to > tools.ietf.org, and is not yet supported. > > Meanwhile, the datatracker.ietf.org is supported, and now are doing XML as > primary submission format, and that involves the datatracker reaching out to > xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org to run xml2rfc. > So, if xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org is down, or is missing a generated > reference. file, then I can't submit documents via the datatracker. > > (Or I have to submit .txt files, perhaps, which I don't know if I do > programmatically) > > What is the plan to rationalize this support situation? The datatracker has its own instance of xml2rfc installed locally (see the requirements.txt file). When you submit through the datatracker, that local instance is used. The datatracker does not call out to tools.ietf.org. RjS > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org --------------FEF0305EC59FB6748A875E18 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


On 11/18/19 1:57 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:
Hi, my understanding is that xml2rfc.ietf.org is just a redirect to
tools.ietf.org, and is not yet supported.

Meanwhile, the datatracker.ietf.org is supported, and now are doing XML as
primary submission format, and that involves the datatracker reaching out to
xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org to run xml2rfc.
So, if xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org is down, or is missing a generated
reference. file,  then I can't submit documents via the datatracker.

(Or I have to submit .txt files, perhaps, which I don't know if I do
programmatically)

What is the plan to rationalize this support situation?

The datatracker has its own instance of xml2rfc installed locally (see the requirements.txt file).

When you submit through the datatracker, that local instance is used. The datatracker does not call out to tools.ietf.org.

RjS




___________________________________________________________
Tools-discuss mailing list
Tools-discuss@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss

Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org
bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb
or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org

Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at
http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues
or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org
--------------FEF0305EC59FB6748A875E18-- From nobody Mon Nov 18 14:06:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB72120A2C for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:06:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.565 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.565 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kjwHFUHRQrIn for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 002171208EC for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [101.100.166.67] (port=63253 helo=[172.16.177.12]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iWpA6-00018K-U9; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:06:26 -0800 To: Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <18512.1574107042@dooku.sandelman.ca> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <6136a633-fb07-78e3-2810-de68f880bd50@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 23:06:15 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <18512.1574107042@dooku.sandelman.ca> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aCCxS1W2GmD15EfuCu555SF0BiuB5jmjj" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 101.100.166.67 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc archives vs datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 22:06:32 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --aCCxS1W2GmD15EfuCu555SF0BiuB5jmjj Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="QNIdNXfKvmoWxSdL8V7mfguIGrEaL56pe"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <6136a633-fb07-78e3-2810-de68f880bd50@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc archives vs datatracker References: <18512.1574107042@dooku.sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <18512.1574107042@dooku.sandelman.ca> --QNIdNXfKvmoWxSdL8V7mfguIGrEaL56pe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael, On 2019-11-18 20:57, Michael Richardson wrote: >=20 > Hi, my understanding is that xml2rfc.ietf.org is just a redirect to > tools.ietf.org, and is not yet supported. >=20 > Meanwhile, the datatracker.ietf.org is supported, and now are doing XML= as > primary submission format, and that involves the datatracker reaching o= ut to > xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org to run xml2rfc. > So, if xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org is down, or is missing a generated > reference. file, then I can't submit documents via the datatracker. >=20 > (Or I have to submit .txt files, perhaps, which I don't know if I do > programmatically) >=20 > What is the plan to rationalize this support situation? Marshall Rose's old TCL scripts have been misbehaving lately, and I don't= know how to fix them. In datatracker release 6.110.0 of Nov 5th I added generation of draft bibxml3 entries directly from the datatracker database, and I aim to deploy that for trial soon, and eventually replace the scripts running on tools.ietf.org with the new code. As soon as I've got the bibxml3 file generation deployed, I'll tap you for testing of that. Meanwhile, the on-the-fly references also introduced on Nov. 5 are availa= ble: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bibxml3/draft-selander-lake-edhoc.xml Regards, Henrik --QNIdNXfKvmoWxSdL8V7mfguIGrEaL56pe-- --aCCxS1W2GmD15EfuCu555SF0BiuB5jmjj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAl3TFdgACgkQTptXS4+7 FxpsMhAAgWJC077HKvt8pWw3TJQQV2bJTBZ+Etg/6OQDY7v7o8UbWDBuf2tQQfFt DtlFJx6CV/MUBTm3kNQI7tBbb/SUw3ae4yCqS/PbSUOdGdO2JhKDiWB/LEYbNnQW vkwa54Nvl+RzS4HxaKCRyOhB2+t22aZlOYtWBdhxzYnyK1xGHBHSyTc2IBWT1dCg uxB5moSqnwC/tkqEkQmXO9/DfZLvlnJESwXOArbwJLp7HVPyMSd2LEd0//hmSP37 TNWAmlti1VvKvRNTr4L9q+dAg3KdvqeLRMpR29tzTbOQ2327KADU062tm0unLDJ3 NU9bkVL5ZU0Kj0dbWW5kbeswTpjs/kD3gGMvYzGBTq3ELce40t/SOpfGrtH1zDB7 2SeSULzy4Cj3YDTjp9kl5DMmkA6/9SLpdDCF7w60dioUxXxX9JXTN1DGY2dgY6Gw I+vMp6KO9aSqIHQWYPyxPBN74hVNxs7lyCxRsIfx2jASn9T/XKAmVBNaJ0kmXIT1 YMeyWfGVOs01NxC14n1oaKw4LWbOgbn93E38EPPqrgWqnkIR+NSKn5cuddn8drns skTTyWcpgyVfCH0QwzAfaGdxlbH1TUY/PsHEGpxDV1WHrp8bGbEX9dSGQ/+LrrEf qgde7sI1ay0oMkg6tTVEDMhEN9eXl6kPiU0il0nQGkgTV0+9epM= =Wwwi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aCCxS1W2GmD15EfuCu555SF0BiuB5jmjj-- From nobody Tue Nov 19 00:43:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D331208BD for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 00:43:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id juiqBqdC5fur for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 00:43:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F05C112089B for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 00:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:6e88:14ff:fe34:93bc]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FAB81F450; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id D5F981371; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:43:10 +0800 (+08) From: Michael Richardson To: Robert Sparks cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-reply-to: <560990cf-c76f-add2-ed38-1a741601ec32@nostrum.com> References: <18512.1574107042@dooku.sandelman.ca> <560990cf-c76f-add2-ed38-1a741601ec32@nostrum.com> Comments: In-reply-to Robert Sparks message dated "Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:24:04 -0600." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:43:10 +0800 Message-ID: <7461.1574152990@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc archives vs datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:43:20 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On 11/18/19 1:57 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: >> Hi, my understanding is that xml2rfc.ietf.org is just a redirect to >> tools.ietf.org, and is not yet supported. >>=20 >> Meanwhile, the datatracker.ietf.org is supported, and now are doing >> XML as primary submission format, and that involves the datatracker >> reaching out to xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org to run xml2rfc. So, if >> xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org is down, or is missing a generated >> reference. file, then I can't submit documents via the datatracker. >>=20 >> (Or I have to submit .txt files, perhaps, which I don't know if I do >> programmatically) >>=20 >> What is the plan to rationalize this support situation? > The datatracker has its own instance of xml2rfc installed locally (see > the requirements.txt file). > When you submit through the datatracker, that local instance is > used. The datatracker does not call out to tools.ietf.org. You misunderstand me. The reference.* files are searched for on xml2rfc.tools.ietc.org/...bibxml*= /... So if the file is missing, the XML does not render. =2D-=20 Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl3Tqx4ACgkQlUzhVv38 QpBw3wf/ftYLK/nyzp/gJQFoAnNhmHhPVGyq0EXcPquC6lI8CdJHwhn9ejmJa5RG YW8igB55g5cXzShVLLkeH7fffcl8LQUr/x8R2jNfkzl0ooy4w71/jv8G5jM1YRbY 7IQjzmtY8lpivlfOuCddwPR0xRbzw9k3FzRsdi5xHb1XjmqD6YWKiXQs1NGPS4yx YJVXbZ5EVsy+Vvr9ino/vBe2etzBYGi163IJitkTcTgUpLVnanBVd9q64Jn6tdl7 hKhtlP63BODcc9pDc6D6iO0o+BNrnqHmcZmjbf/7kFeXWoq9x/qXdVO6UMzj6mfA uSPBP8755WQcb2moqkKA9ZL67LeVXw== =ZQBF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Nov 19 00:46:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D0D1208D4 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 00:46:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.436 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.436 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l0mbw6Ox3tT2 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 00:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [IPv6:2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:de77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 081881208BD for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 00:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:6e88:14ff:fe34:93bc]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A34CA1F450; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 8E1F41376; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:46:32 +0800 (+08) From: Michael Richardson To: Henrik Levkowetz cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-reply-to: <6136a633-fb07-78e3-2810-de68f880bd50@levkowetz.com> References: <18512.1574107042@dooku.sandelman.ca> <6136a633-fb07-78e3-2810-de68f880bd50@levkowetz.com> Comments: In-reply-to Henrik Levkowetz message dated "Mon, 18 Nov 2019 23:06:15 +0100." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:46:32 +0800 Message-ID: <7760.1574153192@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc archives vs datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:46:44 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Marshall Rose's old TCL scripts have been misbehaving lately, and I > don't know how to fix them. Understood. > In datatracker release 6.110.0 of Nov 5th I added generation of draft > bibxml3 entries directly from the datatracker database, and I aim to > deploy that for trial soon, and eventually replace the scripts running > on tools.ietf.org with the new code. Very nice. Maybe you want Cloudflare to cache these rather than hitting the django code each time? > As soon as I've got the bibxml3 file generation deployed, I'll tap you > for testing of that. > Meanwhile, the on-the-fly references also introduced on Nov. 5 are > available: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bibxml3/draft-selander-lake-edhoc.xml okay, at least I can wget that file into my .cache/xml2rfc directory for no= w. I think that I can also customize XML_LIBRARY to change the URL. I used to rsync them all to the laptop, but I think that I stopped. =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl3Tq+gACgkQlUzhVv38 QpB1mwf/aaIUUbTtZGL/Xipr19DsEEQ/RFBVUXPWjkA0FNjXNMinx2uFcSxRhm7O RPfiddLH8Z1XJvhQ0wI8ghmQPfQgiT3GxCHvo4pYOY0t8BZyirlE4R6beCzbSx9G J7DEttwCe21keo7N1FCR9dnmmLTlrmTy+etfxeIu3BV8vSNUuk14GV9Car+bu12x LnWO1eZwrZycw8SoLv0a1UupcrdtlsXRUI3YLSUdyHMc1AXqlYiZov7Gx5n7gU+b fcE6pG1wYqo7BmEb9QfDKAudlJ9WoKZnjCGAO8SfInmLVmdAQDN1ogYIveTkHqBv lYQnJS8g8lXUIFAoBdJNDx0WDU+4yQ== =ztEP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Nov 20 21:21:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C793212096E for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:21:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gPBlYRmeIPL9 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35155120143 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1019E2034B7 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi1-f173.google.com (mail-oi1-f173.google.com [209.85.167.173]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E811A2034B4 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi1-f173.google.com with SMTP id l20so2058550oie.10 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:21:53 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXAyWLKcT8VTj8O+Wfm8MDN3GjEkkYWFNlcMmVqTDU+BqVXaN5i Zg3B9ob5NP/UlE22xBwM2Jhv32wmvCjrJ+K1tBs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx/5CWjDBHGrD+a/CVRvN2QhqXN+IKFipvy58z3V/a0lAZ9HwWmY5BqY+3kBrJjsh/qwVnuq7vMoUSOX6n81jw= X-Received: by 2002:aca:f0c1:: with SMTP id o184mr6212568oih.2.1574313712931; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:21:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191121040335.A47AD120944@ietfa.amsl.com> <253406B7-7911-4971-9ED5-D836606D3B6A@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: From: Glen Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:21:41 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: SPF rejection of mail to chairs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 05:21:56 -0000 All - I'm redirecting this message from Carsten (who is on this list) out of IETF-Action and onto this list for discussion. I'm hoping Henrik or Robert can shed light on the current and planned implementation of this. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Carsten Bormann Is there a need for the DMARC hack for the chair aliases, too? Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > Begin forwarded message: > > From: MAILER-DAEMON@ietfa.amsl.com (Mail Delivery System) > Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender > Date: November 21, 2019 at 12:03:35 GMT+8 > To: cabo@tzi.org > > This is the mail system at host ietfa.amsl.com. > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not > be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. > > For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > delete your own text from the attached returned message. > > The mail system > > (expanded from ): > host cloud7.spamtitan.com[52.15.128.102] said: 550 5.7.1 SPF Policy > Rejection t=3Dietf@augustcellars.com, s=3Dmfrom, id=3Dcabo@tzi.org (in= reply to > RCPT TO command) > Reporting-MTA: dns; ietfa.amsl.com > X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 1FA95120951 > X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; cabo@tzi.org > Arrival-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 20:03:32 -0800 (PST) > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; ietf@augustcellars.com > Original-Recipient: rfc822;expand-cbor-chairs@virtual.ietf.org > Action: failed > Status: 5.7.1 > Remote-MTA: dns; cloud7.spamtitan.com > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.7.1 SPF Policy Rejection t=3Dietf@augustcell= ars.com, > s=3Dmfrom, id=3Dcabo@tzi.org > Return-Path: > Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) > id 1FA95120951; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 20:03:32 -0800 (PST) > X-Original-To: xfilter-cbor-chairs@ietfa.amsl.com > Delivered-To: xfilter-cbor-chairs@ietfa.amsl.com > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DDC120944 > for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 20:03:31 -0800= (PST) > X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com > X-Spam-Flag: NO > X-Spam-Score: -4.2 > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=3D-4.2 tagged_above=3D-999 required=3D5 > tests=3D[BAYES_00=3D-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=3D-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=3D0.001= , > SPF_PASS=3D-0.001] autolearn=3Dham autolearn_force=3Dno > Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) > by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) > with ESMTP id eSAUwBWvunbS for ; > Wed, 20 Nov 2019 20:03:29 -0800 (PST) > Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-breme= n.de > [134.102.50.17]) > (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) > (No client certificate requested) > by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FB26120955 > for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 20:03:28 -0800 (PST) > Received: from dhcp-9c88.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-9c88.meeting.ietf.org > [31.133.156.136]) > (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) > (No client certificate requested) > by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47JQs9168yzyg= B; > Thu, 21 Nov 2019 05:03:24 +0100 (CET) > From: Carsten Bormann > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; > boundary=3D"Apple-Mail=3D_77956336-F9E3-4722-A9BE-E4BF91B1278F" > X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 596001800.772862-aaf3c84df25315d1f550b91493ef= 0952 > Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:03:22 +0800 > Subject: Rough CBOR slides > Message-Id: > To: cbor-chairs@ietf.org > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) > Resent-From: > Resent-To: ietf@augustcellars.com, francesca.palombini@ericsson.com > Resent-Message-Id: <20191121040332.1FA95120951@ietfa.amsl.com> > Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 20:03:32 -0800 (PST) From nobody Thu Nov 21 01:52:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9396E120A3D for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 01:52:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.436 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.436 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gpHXfLDqFJ85 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 01:52:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [IPv6:2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:de77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68983120A3A for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 01:52:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (dhcp-8a81.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.138.129]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E54BF1F450 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 71D1C1142; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:52:52 +0800 (+08) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-reply-to: References: <20191121040335.A47AD120944@ietfa.amsl.com> <253406B7-7911-4971-9ED5-D836606D3B6A@tzi.org> Comments: In-reply-to Glen message dated "Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:21:41 -0800." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:52:52 +0800 Message-ID: <9898.1574329972@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: SPF rejection of mail to chairs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:52:55 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Glen wrote: > I'm redirecting this message from Carsten (who is on this list) out of > IETF-Action and onto this list for discussion. > I'm hoping Henrik or Robert can shed light on the current and planned > implementation of this. > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Carsten Bormann > Is there a need for the DMARC hack for the chair aliases, too? Oh crap, yes we do. and on all of the Internet-draft author lists. Maybe ARC is further along? -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl3WXnQACgkQlUzhVv38 QpDGUgf+Pkl4F8t/PbOtcB0SsupqAkrwv27tVXs5cp1etQaue4oVMVwnoT2t2lvH 4U/oIESfIxxcfrdXVgqH30jA4JQKN2vbB7DadBQCngLgDLlonG0GFrVPbONSEvNS QrvfcDlHUAV/7FuokJ0Gd4gI9rxuHm6YiuG05F0p5HfX1JgoFB8PGcHu9hEAolds MqrRafJDwlXUqmwuaJ/gIUKPF2HvhShKDkFTe6d7Auc7wBkuVDWHMXJOAaNu7xhn NK0hZhp0N96ShShsBtUevypTXXE/ZBsq0st4khWuqlSF1hUKbA7i9ATlITA8wi6d NAC7OpLxq8UKCPghfrCJWlYGo5uUdQ== =9RUW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Nov 21 19:51:09 2019 Return-Path: <0100016e913c0eac-cbbfe925-343a-4c54-bcdb-233b96c2840d-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF65120103 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:51:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9NPvjfT7he79 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:51:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from a8-31.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-31.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3BEA1200E5 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:51:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1574394663; h=From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:References:To:Date:Feedback-ID; bh=IqQ7jgcO8ZJxbzHGb38pEiocyIWvF2e5wU6BaoMb0s8=; b=l4t2T9WvqnW/pYIMd8xfkXv4d1lwPHx/XkDC/rR3MXzZ1dl4GJHX2tuQwz9jk03u 53M/c1GOJapH6BmM6ucpSt6nutds8vMCrXrPp9hXwHaSsthn/FzU5pj6O85wklcK4R2 8GW8yU2NOcKoVSinA7zkLlzH2hqTiehiLCheIfxM= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_00085C70-8596-42EE-9CE2-82130EDC77D5" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-ID: <0100016e913c0eac-cbbfe925-343a-4c54-bcdb-233b96c2840d-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 03:51:03 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.11.22-54.240.8.31 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: [www.ietf.org/rt #282280] please change my profile photo X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 03:51:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_00085C70-8596-42EE-9CE2-82130EDC77D5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tools team, I apologize in advance if this is the wrong alias for the question, but = I feel bad for always pinging Henrik directly and so figured I'd try the = alias this time. As can be seen from the message below, the Secretariat just updated my = photo here , which = shows on my profile page here = as well as on the WG = Chair Photos here . However, = after waiting a couple days, it has not changed the photos that appear = in my WG's status pages (here and = here ) or, more exactly, the images = found at these locations: https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent.jpg = https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent-th.jpg = (PS: interestingly, the thumbnail is out of sync with the main = image) I cannot find any information (e.g., on the WG Chair's Wiki and the WG = chair resources pages) for how to change these photos. Could you please = update both the main photo and the associated thumbnail for me? Thanks, Kent > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: "Amy Vezza via RT" > Subject: [www.ietf.org/rt #282280] please change my profile photo > Date: November 19, 2019 at 9:42:37 PM EST > To: kent+ietf@watsen.net > Reply-To: iesg-secretary@ietf.org >=20 > Hi Kent, >=20 > We have updated the photo in the datatracker as requested. The = tools.ietf.org > site is not one we have any control over. It may be that the = tools.ietf.org > site and the datatracker will synch (usually within 24 hours) and it = will > automagically update the photos there, but it may not (its quite rare = someone > updates their photo!). >=20 > If the site does not synch, you will need to contact the tools team = that > maintains that site (webmaster@tools.ietf.org should work). >=20 > I hope that helps! >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Amy >=20 > On Tue Nov 19 12:16:28 2019, kent+ietf@watsen.net wrote: >=20 > Dear Secretariat, >=20 > Please change my photo that shows on this page = https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/Kent%20Watsen = , as well as these = photos (which are somehow currently different from each other): > - https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent-th.jpg = > - https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent.jpg = >=20 > Attached is the new image. >=20 > Thanks! > Kent >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_00085C70-8596-42EE-9CE2-82130EDC77D5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Tools team,

I apologize in advance if this is the wrong alias for the = question, but I feel bad for always pinging Henrik directly and so = figured I'd try the alias this time.

As can be seen from the message below, = the Secretariat just updated my photo here, which shows on my profile page here as well as on the WG Chair Photos here. =  However, after waiting a couple days, it has not changed the = photos that appear in my WG's status pages (here and here) or, = more exactly, the images found at these locations:

https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent.jpg
= https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent-th.jpg

(PS: interestingly, the thumbnail = is out of sync with the main image)

I = cannot find any information (e.g., on the WG Chair's Wiki and the WG = chair resources pages) for how to change these photos.  Could you = please update both the main photo and the associated thumbnail for = me?

Thanks,
Kent




Begin forwarded message:

From: = "Amy Vezza via RT" <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
Subject: = [www.ietf.org/rt = #282280] please change my profile photo
Date: = November 19, 2019 at 9:42:37 PM = EST
To: = kent+ietf@watsen.net
Reply-To: = iesg-secretary@ietf.org

Hi Kent,

We have updated the photo in the datatracker as requested. = The tools.ietf.org
site is not one we have any control over. It may be that the = tools.ietf.org
site and the datatracker will synch (usually within 24 hours) = and it will
automagically update the photos there, but it = may not (its quite rare someone
updates their photo!).

If the site does not synch, you will need to = contact the tools team that
maintains that site (webmaster@tools.ietf.org should work).

I hope that helps!

Best = regards,

Amy

On = Tue Nov 19 12:16:28 2019, kent+ietf@watsen.net wrote:

=  Dear Secretariat,

 Please = change my photo that shows on this page https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/Kent%20Watsen <https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/Kent%20Watsen>, as = well as these photos (which are somehow currently different from each = other):
     - https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent-th.jpg <https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent-th.jpg>
     - https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent.jpg <https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent.jpg>

 Attached is the new image.

 Thanks!
 Kent






= --Apple-Mail=_00085C70-8596-42EE-9CE2-82130EDC77D5-- From nobody Fri Nov 22 01:13:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878C712080E for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 01:13:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XT0sNdjtRooZ for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 01:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BAA9120804 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 01:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [101.100.166.67] (port=62203 helo=[172.16.177.12]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iY4zv-0007rD-VB; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 01:13:04 -0800 To: Kent Watsen , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <0100016e913c0eac-cbbfe925-343a-4c54-bcdb-233b96c2840d-000000@email.amazonses.com> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <2dd533cc-62ed-acf6-886a-923fef3d7c5c@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:12:56 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0100016e913c0eac-cbbfe925-343a-4c54-bcdb-233b96c2840d-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vRf8iHrU92c5clB6jkjvKsX8X4G1Kxno5" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 101.100.166.67 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, kent+ietf@watsen.net X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: [www.ietf.org/rt #282280] please change my profile photo X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 09:13:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --vRf8iHrU92c5clB6jkjvKsX8X4G1Kxno5 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="JRuk2cXdJw5DxndX4thjI1ALDpAah3wF4"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Kent Watsen , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <2dd533cc-62ed-acf6-886a-923fef3d7c5c@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: [www.ietf.org/rt #282280] please change my profile photo References: <0100016e913c0eac-cbbfe925-343a-4c54-bcdb-233b96c2840d-000000@email.amazonses.com> In-Reply-To: <0100016e913c0eac-cbbfe925-343a-4c54-bcdb-233b96c2840d-000000@email.amazonses.com> --JRuk2cXdJw5DxndX4thjI1ALDpAah3wF4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The address Amy indicated in her reply (webmaster@tools.ietf.org) is the right one. It's also indicated in the list footer, at the bottom of of this email. Henrik On 2019-11-22 04:51, Kent Watsen wrote: > Tools team, >=20 > I apologize in advance if this is the wrong alias for the question, but= I feel bad for always pinging Henrik directly and so figured I'd try the= alias this time. >=20 > As can be seen from the message below, the Secretariat just updated my = photo here , which s= hows on my profile page here as well as on the WG Chair Photos here . However, after waiting a couple days, it has not chan= ged the photos that appear in my WG's status pages (here and here ) or, mo= re exactly, the images found at these locations: >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent.jpg > https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent-th.jpg >=20 > (PS: interestingly, the thumbnail is out of sync with the main image) >=20 > I cannot find any information (e.g., on the WG Chair's Wiki and the WG = chair resources pages) for how to change these photos. Could you please = update both the main photo and the associated thumbnail for me? >=20 > Thanks, > Kent >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: "Amy Vezza via RT" >> Subject: [www.ietf.org/rt #282280] please change my profile photo >> Date: November 19, 2019 at 9:42:37 PM EST >> To: kent+ietf@watsen.net >> Reply-To: iesg-secretary@ietf.org >>=20 >> Hi Kent, >>=20 >> We have updated the photo in the datatracker as requested. The tools.i= etf.org >> site is not one we have any control over. It may be that the tools.iet= f.org >> site and the datatracker will synch (usually within 24 hours) and it w= ill >> automagically update the photos there, but it may not (its quite rare = someone >> updates their photo!). >>=20 >> If the site does not synch, you will need to contact the tools team th= at >> maintains that site (webmaster@tools.ietf.org should work). >>=20 >> I hope that helps! >>=20 >> Best regards, >>=20 >> Amy >>=20 >> On Tue Nov 19 12:16:28 2019, kent+ietf@watsen.net wrote: >>=20 >> Dear Secretariat, >>=20 >> Please change my photo that shows on this page https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/person/Kent%20Watsen , as well as these photos (which are somehow currently different fr= om each other): >> - https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent-th.jpg >> - https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent.jpg >>=20 >> Attached is the new image. >>=20 >> Thanks! >> Kent >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 --JRuk2cXdJw5DxndX4thjI1ALDpAah3wF4-- --vRf8iHrU92c5clB6jkjvKsX8X4G1Kxno5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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It's also indicated in the list footer, at the bottom of of > this email. >=20 > Henrik >=20 >> On 2019-11-22 04:51, Kent Watsen wrote: >> Tools team, >>=20 >> I apologize in advance if this is the wrong alias for the question, but I= feel bad for always pinging Henrik directly and so figured I'd try the alia= s this time. >>=20 >> As can be seen from the message below, the Secretariat just updated my ph= oto here , which shows o= n my profile page here a= s well as on the WG Chair Photos here . However, after waiting a couple days, it has not changed the photos t= hat appear in my WG's status pages (here = and here ) or, more exactly, the images= found at these locations: >>=20 >> https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent.jpg >> https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent-th.jpg >>=20 >> (PS: interestingly, the thumbnail is out of sync with the main image) >>=20 >> I cannot find any information (e.g., on the WG Chair's Wiki and the WG ch= air resources pages) for how to change these photos. Could you please updat= e both the main photo and the associated thumbnail for me? >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Kent >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> Begin forwarded message: >>>=20 >>> From: "Amy Vezza via RT" >>> Subject: [www.ietf.org/rt #282280] please change my profile photo >>> Date: November 19, 2019 at 9:42:37 PM EST >>> To: kent+ietf@watsen.net >>> Reply-To: iesg-secretary@ietf.org >>>=20 >>> Hi Kent, >>>=20 >>> We have updated the photo in the datatracker as requested. The tools.iet= f.org >>> site is not one we have any control over. It may be that the tools.ietf.= org >>> site and the datatracker will synch (usually within 24 hours) and it wil= l >>> automagically update the photos there, but it may not (its quite rare so= meone >>> updates their photo!). >>>=20 >>> If the site does not synch, you will need to contact the tools team that= >>> maintains that site (webmaster@tools.ietf.org should work). >>>=20 >>> I hope that helps! >>>=20 >>> Best regards, >>>=20 >>> Amy >>>=20 >>>> On Tue Nov 19 12:16:28 2019, kent+ietf@watsen.net wrote: >>>=20 >>> Dear Secretariat, >>>=20 >>> Please change my photo that shows on this page https://datatracker.ietf.= org/person/Kent%20Watsen = , as well as these photos (which are somehow currently different from each o= ther): >>> - https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent-th.jpg >>> - https://tools.ietf.org/photo/watsen-kent.jpg >>>=20 >>> Attached is the new image. >>>=20 >>> Thanks! >>> Kent >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>=20 >> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org >> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb >> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >>=20 >> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at >> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues >> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>=20 >=20 From nobody Fri Nov 22 10:39:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDAC120856 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:39:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=bangj.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bXZspDw-hlNk for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from oj.bangj.com (69-77-154-174.static.skybest.com [69.77.154.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F0E412089D for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.10.110] (mta-107-13-246-59.nc.rr.com [107.13.246.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C3E82EF01 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:39:52 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bangj.com; s=201907; t=1574447992; bh=wp963ONACBQLKAvfbp186w4XzrvQWuZvYiFbzRYObbs=; h=From:Subject:References:To:Date:From; b=U9/3fbXyhM0iFL9S02BSxEoUErBQ3mzbZcngLYAkiunbfhrjnxq45GFakry/CW3C9 5m4w5PIo4gYMBa6vU+Gxs6UHdILa4rhDQr8KBIwRol2eUEkWrOj5jygjz3oo27x/xi XKmQiG4hnsMyXzgSntUFgrzj1WSb/tKgcH9jgPe/FYv5yV81F9z9xOPVZtMv5G2ae+ Mbdlgp9MgU8EcQfJm6Z2Z+sJu4I/+dFYOc8Q51R4Poea23SmrqwwGe8e8EteRuAvg0 zba4I3eamKtXTxKGnxNctkXHv0bu9pP0KlfoIB+ed+Qizv5s3ztSfBm54mEv/tgagf w8/TDaufEH8YA== From: Tom Pusateri Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_279CEB94-B45D-4B22-B429-04935AFB4C2A" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) Message-Id: <8811A5B6-AF57-458D-8F67-CEF314E2B107@bangj.com> References: <20191122164625.6C831F406D4@rfc-editor.org> To: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:39:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] draft submitted source versions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 18:39:56 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_279CEB94-B45D-4B22-B429-04935AFB4C2A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is there anyway to tell if the TXT version was created from the = submitted XML or was uploaded separately? If an XML version is submitted, is there any reason to allow DRAFT = AUTHORS to submit alternate versions still? Thanks, Tom > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > Subject: [RFC State] has been added to the = RFC Editor database > Date: November 22, 2019 at 11:46:25 AM EST > To: pusateri@bangj.com, cheshire@apple.com > Cc: dnssd-ads@ietf.org, dnssd-chairs@ietf.org, = rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, tjw.ietf@gmail.com, evyncke@cisco.com >=20 > Author(s), >=20 > We have received notice that your document draft-ietf-dnssd-push-25 = has > been approved for publication as an RFC. The document has > been added to the RFC Editor queue and you can check the status at > >=20 > If you submitted your XML file using the I-D submission tool, we have > already retrieved it. If you did not submit the XML file via the I-D > submission tool, or if you have an updated version (e.g., updated > contact information), please send us the XML file at this time. = Please > attach the file and specify any differences between the approved I-D=20= > and the document that the XML produces. We recommend using xml2rfc > to create your document. >=20 > This should help increase the pace with which documents move through > the RFC Editor queue.=20 >=20 > Please let us know if you have any questions. >=20 > Thank you. >=20 > The RFC Editor Team >=20 --Apple-Mail=_279CEB94-B45D-4B22-B429-04935AFB4C2A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Is = there anyway to tell if the TXT version was created from the submitted = XML or was uploaded separately?

If an XML version is submitted, is = there any reason to allow DRAFT AUTHORS to submit alternate versions = still?

Thanks,
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Author(s),

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If you submitted your XML file using the I-D = submission tool, we have
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contact information), please send us the XML file at this = time.  Please
attach the file and specify any = differences between the approved I-D
and the document = that the XML produces.  We recommend using xml2rfc
<http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/> to create your document.

This should help increase the pace with which = documents move through
the RFC Editor queue.

Please let us know if you have any = questions.

Thank you.

The RFC Editor Team


= --Apple-Mail=_279CEB94-B45D-4B22-B429-04935AFB4C2A-- From nobody Fri Nov 22 16:01:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA9F120227 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:01:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W5pRvVWpPWnE for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg1-x531.google.com (mail-pg1-x531.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::531]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC77F12022C for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg1-x531.google.com with SMTP id 207so4093326pge.8 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:01:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YlWl+xI1wi/jTNrNqZiNekzz5oI0V2alMJjcTMK6WLI=; b=tHRhoc13mNKOFFq8l7cY2MGrSKOs82CEi750Hbtg5C4o9nPN7hj/AZbqvYuuFBVgZL vazgv2snAFVL1HiwerJQC0sw7/DPJ9YC0s5ZlJCfxzuw5vNT6IlaDgMZdeDMaWY2aQ6l U+R0i8VT7MEOs2zuptErF4UsJm6K+NiBYAjRjmSb0XboUzlP5zUmNq1YFZ4PnBg4Y+5F cleIR1Abu87zg3/lTFnTCh6uAtxSjEhZripaHA31ASlxMOjZFFmmggOCFwvganuNhPOC OWrb4oLTLXaGJr9YCZVZnq+g35VGcB6AQWvksPD0a+rHZN7z6Lea9DJ+M7oVXcvz1O19 9DBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YlWl+xI1wi/jTNrNqZiNekzz5oI0V2alMJjcTMK6WLI=; b=jxMMMOlxuLuh0f2OTLeyJSGfEv54Op1Tbx6lBzs9/byJszSn6Rr5cA86mSgS1Y+0A0 ImJQjpPYTHMIIiVyLuYjM3J6cfOmUZFnPRBhIwvoEHy+8Ldkt23JSAT1l/ut8RCvooFc Plh9rGUKevYPSKyehKD4JtFICiGbHcuWNtaB9BoDgN/X5d8C5OMVqnKp4LeMHMc3KM3W Ri3H1qsxg1IexATcbnHSHbzT/Uzhl53FnOY7SNYPe6KCwmlQX/Nh3z5c5FHcMlccw4gy HaXE2LWVPaRJnIQKOIuTBtcmUq84Fp3molc51zYVChdG1z/BkhQFJl29ymZMJS/V7hSs yh8Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUc0Z4cOef1NmAI02F/20IDj3AQ3XO/lQwZHF6wxgiwOReHIMxe mYG1KwxwMdXqPhuoo6Hfzl0jQFHY X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyub4sFOlW+UYqMAOHtZeS/Ko4RP+UxjFpNGpI7/9ad2ZaDY41h42m42sTvQBn/98TjWtO09Q== X-Received: by 2002:a62:8748:: with SMTP id i69mr20831876pfe.224.1574467300967; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.154.50] ([101.100.166.3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c9sm8443843pfn.65.2019.11.22.16.01.39 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:01:40 -0800 (PST) To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <20191122164625.6C831F406D4@rfc-editor.org> <8811A5B6-AF57-458D-8F67-CEF314E2B107@bangj.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 13:01:39 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8811A5B6-AF57-458D-8F67-CEF314E2B107@bangj.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] draft submitted source versions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 00:01:44 -0000 On 23-Nov-19 07:39, Tom Pusateri wrote: > Is there anyway to tell if the TXT version was created from the submitt= ed XML or was uploaded separately? >=20 > If an XML version is submitted, is there any reason to allow DRAFT AUTH= ORS to submit alternate versions still? Well, before answering that, I have two supplementary questions. 1. What happens if the author submits a.xml and a.txt, but the xml file d= oesn't convert properly? 2. What happens if the author submits a.xml and a.txt, but the converted = xml file is different from a.txt? Brian >=20 > Thanks, > Tom >=20 >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org >> *Subject: **[RFC State] has been added to t= he RFC Editor database* >> *Date: *November 22, 2019 at 11:46:25 AM EST >> *To: *pusateri@bangj.com , cheshire@apple.c= om >> *Cc: *dnssd-ads@ietf.org , dnssd-chairs@iet= f.org , rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org , tjw.ietf@gmail.com = , evyncke@cisco.com >> >> Author(s), >> >> We have received notice that your document draft-ietf-dnssd-push-25 ha= s >> been approved for publication as an RFC. =C2=A0The document has >> been added to the RFC Editor queue and you can check the status at >> >> >> If you submitted your XML file using the I-D submission tool, we have >> already retrieved it. =C2=A0If you did not submit the XML file via the= I-D >> submission tool, or if you have an updated version (e.g., updated >> contact information), please send us the XML file at this time. =C2=A0= Please >> attach the file and specify any differences between the approved I-D >> and the document that the XML produces. =C2=A0We recommend using xml2r= fc >> to create your document. >> >> This should help increase the pace with which documents move through >> the RFC Editor queue. >> >> Please let us know if you have any questions. >> >> Thank you. >> >> The RFC Editor Team >> >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 From nobody Fri Nov 22 16:12:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B32120806 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:12:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=bangj.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IB7P5ikkHsFS for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from oj.bangj.com (69-77-154-174.static.skybest.com [69.77.154.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42D9A1200CE for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.10.124] (mta-107-13-246-59.nc.rr.com [107.13.246.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3B6312EF5C; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 19:12:10 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bangj.com; s=201907; t=1574467930; bh=LO3PjJwWgwiud441ikEnf8rMnE7jQUjzrQ9KtdMVpU4=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:Cc:In-Reply-To:To:From; b=LgXEsDuxdqbp7xITAOBbt6MMer5N0wyXqrWhrwLwVG6Mk899eXUUiT8r71GxrUcD8 XQ+lkrmRC5oFGMosJLCoPyCmi0sGzR4oPtq3MGHj5ww3Vx6a39GVJFs42xwRIHtX7R /ec4Vwuft1965KNVAQ+rKVurcfwqn2smVA++JqcEImq6m3Gpih+7//kzucnF4hwoEa wi45BuLQRS19BphTF3b44kBINOPQ3RJqWKfMLBUuWfrh3a1ImU1FeuPVfZb6r/wpwl 0olBHl5Sg5CX9k7pQlew2b4WdqRX1xkZzQXTS0kSCbdo06iDzGDrKy0+jLczWlrwZ3 C8EWmSXMx+IrA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Tom Pusateri Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 19:12:09 -0500 Message-Id: References: Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: iPad Mail (17B111) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] draft submitted source versions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 00:12:13 -0000 > On Nov 22, 2019, at 7:01 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 23-Nov-19 07:39, Tom Pusateri wrote: >> Is there anyway to tell if the TXT version was created from the submitted= XML or was uploaded separately? >>=20 >> If an XML version is submitted, is there any reason to allow DRAFT AUTHOR= S to submit alternate versions still? >=20 > Well, before answering that, I have two supplementary questions. >=20 > 1. What happens if the author submits a.xml and a.txt, but the xml file do= esn't convert properly? >=20 > 2. What happens if the author submits a.xml and a.txt, but the converted x= ml file is different from a.txt? >=20 > Brian So, ideally, I think we should accept either .xml or .txt. What would make sense to me is: If an .xml is submitted, it is run through xml2rfc and if there=E2=80=99s er= rors, it=E2=80=99s rejected and no draft is published. The author can choose= to submit a .txt instead but not a broken xml. If it=E2=80=99s accepted, it is converted to all of the formats including tx= t, pdf, html. If a .txt is submitted, do whatever checks you do today but don=E2=80=99t ac= cept any other files for submission. The .txt is converted to html and pdf a= s today. This comes with all the known problems of these conversions today. Notes this is only for author submissions with no special publishing privile= ges. 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Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Historical information on leadership positions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 23:16:51 -0000 In NomCom this year, we found the "person" pages on datatracker ( https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/John%20Doe ) to be quite useful in seeing what the contributions of the nominees have been and what their current roles are. While datatracker gives information on expired Internet Drafts where the person is an author, it only gives current information on roles (WG chair, AD, IAB, etc.) they hold. In evaluating a nominee, it would be helpful to have historical roles the have held as well. Is this information available in the database? If not, is there a way we can put together the historical record to make this available? -Jim From nobody Mon Nov 25 15:57:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367FF120FF7 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:57:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.851 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.851 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=1.049, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1lr_79eftlXG for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DBDF120124 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:57:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [194.42.227.53]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D41DA1F482; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 23:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id B6014134B; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:37:53 +0800 (+08) From: Michael Richardson To: Tom Pusateri cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org In-reply-to: <8811A5B6-AF57-458D-8F67-CEF314E2B107@bangj.com> References: <20191122164625.6C831F406D4@rfc-editor.org> <8811A5B6-AF57-458D-8F67-CEF314E2B107@bangj.com> Comments: In-reply-to Tom Pusateri message dated "Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:39:51 -0500." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 08:37:53 +0100 Message-ID: <31178.1574667473@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] draft submitted source versions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 23:57:29 -0000 --==-=-= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Tom Pusateri wrote: > Is there anyway to tell if the TXT version was created from the > submitted XML or was uploaded separately? > If an XML version is submitted, is there any reason to allow DRAFT > AUTHORS to submit alternate versions still? If the XML won't format because the references.* files are AWOL, then allowing the author to upload the TXT version lets them get around that. This happened to me last week. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: Signature -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ --=-=-=-- --==-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl3bhNEACgkQlUzhVv38 QpCDewf/bPRCLjxGQIz/82kpi17pt9MXOo5f9bCEdBde6iIhPu+fK6vy+qXCtkpN CuiYXdcwLqWMUkk9/c84PGCjkOWmIbmndCkX/TbvrXghwv4w9NugOPdwg2N8aSEH XJy+hgw9b5loEi6quX2r5ZK8jEjDIBnFS2qIHHbpx4/SFdLuuDeDbpNShF3Ht37x rRP7hQqwc2wnVkjU8k8FhENfQ8ctO7jp49MtPzHkYYUy+fL0RKSU9w8BTs6wCfp7 ON8KEzhEKF5epLiiICH/HSZZhIGVcBDKizCD2ZToaBP5fYXrAPSX/qosrXSywO2f mqP1ykWGfP4pE6nIRb8db9Y0C7jUSg== =5hWq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==-=-=-- From nobody Mon Nov 25 16:28:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45CE120FCB for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:28:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=bangj.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rHcJ_oBpwpxO for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:28:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from oj.bangj.com (69-77-154-174.static.skybest.com [69.77.154.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75D2A120FCA for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:28:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.10.124] (mta-107-13-246-59.nc.rr.com [107.13.246.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BA2B2F311; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:28:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bangj.com; s=201907; t=1574728116; bh=pM1jLj5jeDYK+PZTgRRB/GIvmbZ2zkrvtwjOnBypIZA=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:Cc:In-Reply-To:To:From; b=W6AxxdfjxusSiOdAD9LPAsT6XzZMJR1v5l0jkOLUbaWUzNGHyAumappLBjAwiBjcA sZKDrYNaOF4vRYbPBMYT2LNk7HDogQeC2Y3iTlU9SB4I8RMmDxGN1eibJ87E3bHpWO jVlELtyOX3n6M2pWTAFCMxpgzoqSFT0l4nOBONQ1s4wTGjnhh626ReCgn5rtYZd8zl gaksdyuBAcXmGtyVjunyTt9SwcJdK6tli+myddcnG8SojSKN1Ufs/SuhXProlm/VRA uWYgsthQH8VTA3qNXYwp2fF4oRBzVaozE8yoW2aZc7Y+NyNoqf2GGmvDCs//0vLGLP h2kVC53iCO+8w== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Tom Pusateri Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:28:35 -0500 Message-Id: <2AD3F313-D831-41D0-87EC-AF722427B4AD@bangj.com> References: <31178.1574667473@dooku.sandelman.ca> Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <31178.1574667473@dooku.sandelman.ca> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: iPad Mail (17B111) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] draft submitted source versions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 00:28:39 -0000 > On Nov 25, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Tom Pusateri wrote: >> Is there anyway to tell if the TXT version was created from the >> submitted XML or was uploaded separately? >=20 >> If an XML version is submitted, is there any reason to allow DRAFT >> AUTHORS to submit alternate versions still? >=20 > If the XML won't format because the references.* files are AWOL, then > allowing the author to upload the TXT version lets them get around that. >=20 > This happened to me last week. Sure but then don=E2=80=99t accept the XML AND the TXT. If the XML is bad, r= eject it and accept the TXT. Otherwise you have two different source documents and there should be only o= ne. Tom= From nobody Tue Nov 26 07:35:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A084012093A for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:35:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eyuT9OPUuPMU for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0A10120938 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.30.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id xAQFZVqI083023 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:35:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1574782532; bh=zX5h9i2uIg941QQkr3F9AFOtisBBX3mSvKeV2Os916o=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=AsLgh5tjLE+CaWUo6n/S5ovssgLOFAItIdjiBHhRvpReImZc4nr3cyg5jLkts2uN3 PreqSE+SUmS6nFR7RzlXLELoQF1i4Xye3siTMlROnwYnBONAq/Sgq/rUzho0XJH+SS SeaNQ/CBTJ2Za21+2lccs6fzXfdCwUy+2Jr2d0VY= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.30.41] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:35:31 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Historical information on leadership positions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:35:35 -0000 Hi Jim - The short answer is "no, the datatracker doesn't have this information". Giving it this information would be a herculean task - I've started to make runs at it a few times over the years. The effort would ultimately rely on collecting people's memories. There is a notion of GroupHistory/RoleHistory that was designed to capture this kind of thing, but the GroupHistory objects haven't been consistently created every time roles change. For instance, you can't see from the datatracker that, or when, I was chair of SIMPLE for many years. The best you can tell is that I was its AD when it closed. Henrik may have more to add. RjS On 11/25/19 5:16 PM, Jim Fenton wrote: > In NomCom this year, we found the "person" pages on datatracker ( > https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/John%20Doe ) to be quite useful in > seeing what the contributions of the nominees have been and what their > current roles are. > > While datatracker gives information on expired Internet Drafts where the > person is an author, it only gives current information on roles (WG > chair, AD, IAB, etc.) they hold. In evaluating a nominee, it would be > helpful to have historical roles the have held as well. Is this > information available in the database? If not, is there a way we can put > together the historical record to make this available? > > -Jim > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Tue Nov 26 07:44:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3AC1209A1 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:44:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xSV3HSFjaLZx for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 800D3120962 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:55887 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iZd0g-00029D-VA; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:44:16 -0800 To: Robert Sparks , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <1b62d9a0-91ad-a533-a583-44ed7cf958e9@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 16:44:07 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WgaxBOdhRlD29MpLEsNElSSut9h8ifNwo" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Historical information on leadership positions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:44:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --WgaxBOdhRlD29MpLEsNElSSut9h8ifNwo Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="mF3VQwlM5nfvcSknasLOK7hq6k9S0xFrB"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Robert Sparks , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <1b62d9a0-91ad-a533-a583-44ed7cf958e9@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Historical information on leadership positions References: In-Reply-To: --mF3VQwlM5nfvcSknasLOK7hq6k9S0xFrB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019-11-26 16:35, Robert Sparks wrote: > Hi Jim - >=20 > The short answer is "no, the datatracker doesn't have this information"= =2E >=20 > Giving it this information would be a herculean task - I've started to = > make runs at it a few times over the years. The effort would ultimately= =20 > rely on collecting people's memories. >=20 > There is a notion of GroupHistory/RoleHistory that was designed to=20 > capture this kind of thing, but the GroupHistory objects haven't been=20 > consistently created every time roles change. >=20 > For instance, you can't see from the datatracker that, or when, I was=20 > chair of SIMPLE for many years. The best you can tell is that I was its= =20 > AD when it closed. >=20 > Henrik may have more to add. I've nothing to add about past history. Going forward, it's certainly possible to add support for a more comprehensive role history which would= let us show such per-person historical information in the future. Best regards, Henrik >=20 > RjS >=20 > On 11/25/19 5:16 PM, Jim Fenton wrote: >> In NomCom this year, we found the "person" pages on datatracker ( >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/John%20Doe ) to be quite useful in= >> seeing what the contributions of the nominees have been and what their= >> current roles are. >> >> While datatracker gives information on expired Internet Drafts where t= he >> person is an author, it only gives current information on roles (WG >> chair, AD, IAB, etc.) they hold. In evaluating a nominee, it would be >> helpful to have historical roles the have held as well. Is this >> information available in the database? If not, is there a way we can p= ut >> together the historical record to make this available? >> >> -Jim >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org >> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb >> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >> >> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at >> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues >> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 --mF3VQwlM5nfvcSknasLOK7hq6k9S0xFrB-- --WgaxBOdhRlD29MpLEsNElSSut9h8ifNwo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1b62d9a0-91ad-a533-a583-44ed7cf958e9@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WQrnoTR9hjwb6TQrErJjZa6iExzKgiRyn" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Historical information on leadership positions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 20:31:27 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --WQrnoTR9hjwb6TQrErJjZa6iExzKgiRyn Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="cUd8xsya2rrNRQmtdMavwxX8A4wGzjBVQ" --cUd8xsya2rrNRQmtdMavwxX8A4wGzjBVQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US On 11/26/19 7:44 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > On 2019-11-26 16:35, Robert Sparks wrote: >> Hi Jim - >> >> The short answer is "no, the datatracker doesn't have this information= ". >> >> Giving it this information would be a herculean task - I've started to= =20 >> make runs at it a few times over the years. The effort would ultimatel= y=20 >> rely on collecting people's memories. >> >> There is a notion of GroupHistory/RoleHistory that was designed to=20 >> capture this kind of thing, but the GroupHistory objects haven't been = >> consistently created every time roles change. >> >> For instance, you can't see from the datatracker that, or when, I was = >> chair of SIMPLE for many years. The best you can tell is that I was it= s=20 >> AD when it closed. >> >> Henrik may have more to add. > I've nothing to add about past history. Going forward, it's certainly > possible to add support for a more comprehensive role history which wou= ld > let us show such per-person historical information in the future. > I suspected datatracker might not have the history. Perhaps it would be a good idea to start collecting role history so that we can perhaps use it in the future. I'll submit an enhancement ticket for that. I wonder if recreating the history of the higher-level leadership positions (IESG and IAB, but not working group chairs) would be worthwhile. Doesn't seem like that subset would be quite herculean. -Jim --cUd8xsya2rrNRQmtdMavwxX8A4wGzjBVQ-- --WQrnoTR9hjwb6TQrErJjZa6iExzKgiRyn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEtZ1JCXtnxF27wWmnGyWosBXQn74FAl3di5UACgkQGyWosBXQ n76pyQ//Xba3i+5yaHa6wegwcc2XmEqj3YJIpbwjCYN0l3C8Dgw5mkpR5Acg2llK 2brNrWRkd31kQFw4ekW+C26n4c4aE4KFBXVnWcNnSn3IVpi6U6bGHuNnGyzufti6 g2Q/XYtoNcWqTDbwWraw9qCsjAlpXKh8cgzA2/ruulspmWPCAk9hPYQ2PcTi+zJ/ 5YJKmDzJ4Gcuahcs/Iuo9LCY9CL+OjJGmoKkhFcDwojA2BoWwCdmsm5oQSsVkee7 VMkA+RJo6gjMVE4c57VGvCX3FgcCGRryxLuvSf6t4QY1ixgE3A5q52jkc+NQXvKs jx//9nRRYbmenWOTFSQLM3lcatAX5TVDyJk0N1vRSyAXYq8WuV6ThnhZNTltRkpX g3eRT97pZxDYo9zkb9wNONc9hlMGF9dEvF6wbNSUAq7uZ3wpcd9lKNZRdSlOY2qj sIGL57m5zwNV2kzN2ov1Zib7mfTBksaujbUpEams6u4kTe10I7rs2lagW3nj1ZCf 3tb6S+ZDx1cVzTN7OOMptqbHBjLRrJkQ2gzh92QqYjb9I1LecgSiVf+at0TMhHpJ v3To2cnVoxcX5C7nc8EOQAqdMaT2y0QoXXTJvn3hedczmFf5UYev2kpnCIzpt/cK 3n4UdqmSnA11HuLsR1blKeqiCGR+MVymYUYcxNLtQ1uk68UnuAc= =2VpP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WQrnoTR9hjwb6TQrErJjZa6iExzKgiRyn-- From nobody Tue Nov 26 13:32:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2558B1209B4 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:32:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3_OGRObQvxpL for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:32:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pj1-x102b.google.com (mail-pj1-x102b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::102b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73F9C1200CC for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:32:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pj1-x102b.google.com with SMTP id cq11so8902069pjb.3 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:32:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=j+a8koyXYWhjXvHDEhtvP/eWahUikRKFdDpfQLw+TmU=; b=FBbzxGo4KC5cWj8Sn/ELZqCAxRWmUpO6YAAUu5dcxQjBdHDCHTEC6wL6vqIyjJ1w28 BcIyJUlSU2Rv5uz05GJegf7uEcd0beb4IvwkDDWP9p7v4n6VO85iejPqg8UpKPZ0G7E8 n8RxSJzokKAKIMThpIwaBJnWFEC8rywu/J3ID0nIQ17jte54BUKu9evcuHCS9PbJ2/hX Qr6O88I/YWgwXIJrpTyzcXhO679c6ofi67d+STn9GaAVnbfNLzZXKMrht80tVCyPPLCl jQGjumx+pkwXOJx+0EAfpTxygSSq6c712Eky91f+QSyZXlXahBjiyCK50tpyWPyxl2Dp qL+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=j+a8koyXYWhjXvHDEhtvP/eWahUikRKFdDpfQLw+TmU=; b=G4K+xHHYnUEiNFPnzeNy6v1eHhnTW4X41vfcc3LG6wefl8hrPqnlzJ32COyxR3Iocp 3TEI8UN+QCSrvMBqlKmrv2665V1niV/xG5QeDc9Udg58hw+CrKozf/kZFc7Z35djW81o s87sBJb5uzGbRdJWN8RzwBF8RYkhRwx4dZSwrUVFnTz1znus0O3K22HHRGBqwA2zJZvO gfSDwD2jHUb3vvzvjZpcuYhUXrCEDNflDV3ND/8uX6jXx8UjmS+mLEP83BB6zLk3dAaA puYckyb45+td+VxaMH99pa29UU47qhK61kUqcrSeTgHimkjL6yQeB+OFTcFV/BuwED0r 3Jbg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUhDbeI0fHOIIBhASK2dvYLYSaBahsjr+FY2rvG6gP4qKEmfzAF nytNfeUBjoMx0qQ6fTrRycDgPlgM X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz2mceTIwLoiqO83kL+/vdzM1ElZLOGwU5yXlxHNRTTOy1t/huF+lMpImmZ1SXGpm71D4koTw== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:aa42:: with SMTP id c2mr416804plr.311.1574803947303; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:32:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.30] (8.166.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz. [111.69.166.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k17sm13151255pgb.64.2019.11.26.13.32.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:32:26 -0800 (PST) To: Jim Fenton , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <1b62d9a0-91ad-a533-a583-44ed7cf958e9@levkowetz.com> <9c6a7cc9-e008-3a0f-e12d-bddbc6635025@bluepopcorn.net> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: <3c9d1cef-717b-9acb-480a-c572d99bfe92@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 10:32:25 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9c6a7cc9-e008-3a0f-e12d-bddbc6635025@bluepopcorn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Historical information on leadership positions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:32:30 -0000 > I wonder if recreating the history of the higher-level > leadership positions (IESG and IAB, but not working group chairs) would > be worthwhile. That's all on the IESG and IAB web pages, but not in the same format. https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/past-members/ https://www.iab.org/about/history/ (page down to "IAB Members") Regards Brian On 27-Nov-19 09:31, Jim Fenton wrote: > On 11/26/19 7:44 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> On 2019-11-26 16:35, Robert Sparks wrote: >>> Hi Jim - >>> >>> The short answer is "no, the datatracker doesn't have this information". >>> >>> Giving it this information would be a herculean task - I've started to >>> make runs at it a few times over the years. The effort would ultimately >>> rely on collecting people's memories. >>> >>> There is a notion of GroupHistory/RoleHistory that was designed to >>> capture this kind of thing, but the GroupHistory objects haven't been >>> consistently created every time roles change. >>> >>> For instance, you can't see from the datatracker that, or when, I was >>> chair of SIMPLE for many years. The best you can tell is that I was its >>> AD when it closed. >>> >>> Henrik may have more to add. >> I've nothing to add about past history. Going forward, it's certainly >> possible to add support for a more comprehensive role history which would >> let us show such per-person historical information in the future. >> > I suspected datatracker might not have the history. > > Perhaps it would be a good idea to start collecting role history so that > we can perhaps use it in the future. I'll submit an enhancement ticket > for that. I wonder if recreating the history of the higher-level > leadership positions (IESG and IAB, but not working group chairs) would > be worthwhile. Doesn't seem like that subset would be quite herculean. > > -Jim > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > From nobody Wed Nov 27 01:52:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAF5120832 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 01:52:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lWNwR2ngr55l for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 01:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4F291200F7 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 01:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (x2f7f0ac.dyn.telefonica.de [2.247.240.172]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFF4A1F47D; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 4CDA5132F; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:52:16 +0800 (+08) From: Michael Richardson To: Tom Pusateri cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-reply-to: <2AD3F313-D831-41D0-87EC-AF722427B4AD@bangj.com> References: <31178.1574667473@dooku.sandelman.ca> <2AD3F313-D831-41D0-87EC-AF722427B4AD@bangj.com> Comments: In-reply-to Tom Pusateri message dated "Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:28:35 -0500." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 10:52:16 +0100 Message-ID: <11131.1574848336@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] draft submitted source versions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:52:16 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom Pusateri wrote: >> Tom Pusateri wrote: >>> Is there anyway to tell if the TXT version was created from the >>> submitted XML or was uploaded separately? >> >>> If an XML version is submitted, is there any reason to allow DRAFT >>> AUTHORS to submit alternate versions still? >> >> If the XML won't format because the references.* files are AWOL, then >> allowing the author to upload the TXT version lets them get around t= hat. >> >> This happened to me last week. > Sure but then don=E2=80=99t accept the XML AND the TXT. If the XML is= bad, > reject it and accept the TXT. > Otherwise you have two different source documents and there should be= only one. Yes, I see this problem, but I see a bigger problem of archival. And then we don't have the XML file available, and we don't get a record of why the XML didn't format. (In my case, because reference.* files were missing) =2D- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [ =2D- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl3eR1AACgkQlUzhVv38 QpAViAf/dkqQM8yfRIjvTRshT84IQLwCxnivsEuq/fg+uszwslVwU9FTfgY/m2qe FEW8uX7qnNzH3gZhaxBvCAFXiEkmnCEG41u9RyoFs18up1BTAFr5ZAnx7Es+6yPf hHd3zzC2/gHZMvvblYeKWcD9cqya1tRnmCw6Q/SXy+obA3wkKMZznqeQy+pTW5d7 1E4c3GFoPywktdHr28GgAEFfj3Ldug81Vh61SgHuT+cVFqPZqJFHjkHICxgkL7VU HT0BsFHZTqLwJFHycEkLAB2CVfmJWsazlWqTNxnlGhMCyoOdgkmGTCcZ8JI96KM5 rhMav1/bReZJAnFQG71vXyjHfAvvxw== =+X9Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Nov 27 02:22:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED80712094E for ; 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If the XM= L is bad, > > reject it and accept the TXT. > > > Otherwise you have two different source documents and there shoul= d be only one. > > Yes, I see this problem, but I see a bigger problem of archival. > ... Archiving XML with external dependencies is problematic anyway :-) (ok, archival not necessary, but assuming that the archived document can be used to re-create the same output files) Best regards, Julian From nobody Wed Nov 27 08:31:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F961208EB for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:31:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XBveWpN2wBeY for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm1-x333.google.com (mail-wm1-x333.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::333]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 051F21208E3 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm1-x333.google.com with SMTP id n5so8274957wmc.0 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:30:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=HbGwaSkWDvilfll/x5fgnxS7nuC0m14dzNQ0sTs1TMA=; b=KjjFIgAQM6WWjj7MynthL1Atvn/H+V3oOTyC04eX65KXmcQOjXBgB7gbcrLVvMcw4N +dNPBOJGihhmUFqvSBBgOgBp0UAUxa98LHCzqdTnKLKjHQgwL83j3boN4YBwx6MaW+SA vph1f6PZASTTtErOH3Q7DB/8ZXJo4vRv0VTkDENQDBR2hLj3Eu9y6Rq7BjAZ+1j1y4SM o8KsT0X+7oqe+19PpzhmJm6MAXHT5O4clwegACNU8a3GbE+UvzlasMOgII8A/bgb34xN JCz6ZlnW3WwA+z1W/oq7R5GFnerMRJs1Ll1vZLa7Dh8P/O+wABuOjH7Mv9QUkACSDhgb 5NDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=HbGwaSkWDvilfll/x5fgnxS7nuC0m14dzNQ0sTs1TMA=; b=WsSrq9IG274oWeSqdUkzwLxCWA4oT1FoPslW0cPUFTFH4rroByOaTa30Q1VFvWz1Od lBcnZgz1RfHhwyY+/WRi8Fwsz8jbFPwGsirOoDxyMzF8l/k9Mw5J6l0B2hfb+08+W42+ GKyabhlLvsWyMrwnVpNo+NlC9lbGo98ovEJmPWa1O+R3E+sO34BVE180531ABtff7P7J DWXBU/mEPvNq7rDAMK+7Ci6nKxKumWP+8Tjepw7vxlQaJ+PmcBSggGdKTcQffv+JhcwG ALjZGsZ9G1GYtUs6ZMsqnYGCfdzlGbd6WecD7SeZz9ctF/a+wUFExYEHTDCz4payFYro FEjw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV+WN7VpEsRKZKFSxxv8AyCKPD3ILslcA426eIKCNNeNBFGKDrl bB36OQWbzchvHaLjOnCw6nc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxUYH2F/pZeo21TEA5riQtBOjoJEHRNzTv/31zY5mN4s+FTHvc+71GD8vTZXqK4R6gpnjFi2Q== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:964f:: with SMTP id y76mr1433799wmd.62.1574872243450; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:647:5a00:ef0b:7c6c:bf76:449e:624b? ([2601:647:5a00:ef0b:7c6c:bf76:449e:624b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p9sm19559537wrs.55.2019.11.27.08.30.41 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:30:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6DF0C69E-E2C2-4F18-A850-5B16AD7C156E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:30:33 -0800 In-Reply-To: <6c45cbfb-5f5e-06eb-d222-57106e957ae1@gmx.de> Cc: Bob Hinden , Michael Richardson , Tom Pusateri , tools-discuss@ietf.org To: Julian Reschke References: <31178.1574667473@dooku.sandelman.ca> <2AD3F313-D831-41D0-87EC-AF722427B4AD@bangj.com> <11131.1574848336@dooku.sandelman.ca> <6c45cbfb-5f5e-06eb-d222-57106e957ae1@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] draft submitted source versions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:31:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6DF0C69E-E2C2-4F18-A850-5B16AD7C156E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Julian, > On Nov 27, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >=20 > On 27.11.2019 10:52, Michael Richardson wrote: >>=20 >> Tom Pusateri wrote: >> >> Tom Pusateri wrote: >> >>> Is there anyway to tell if the TXT version was created from = the >> >>> submitted XML or was uploaded separately? >> >> >> >>> If an XML version is submitted, is there any reason to allow = DRAFT >> >>> AUTHORS to submit alternate versions still? >> >> >> >> If the XML won't format because the references.* files are = AWOL, then >> >> allowing the author to upload the TXT version lets them get = around that. >> >> >> >> This happened to me last week. >>=20 >> > Sure but then don=E2=80=99t accept the XML AND the TXT. If the = XML is bad, >> > reject it and accept the TXT. >>=20 >> > Otherwise you have two different source documents and there = should be only one. >>=20 >> Yes, I see this problem, but I see a bigger problem of archival. >> ... >=20 > Archiving XML with external dependencies is problematic anyway :-) = (ok, > archival not necessary, but assuming that the archived document can be > used to re-create the same output files) I have mixed feeling about this topic. For submitting an Internet draft, I am not sure it matters very much. = We don=E2=80=99t currently require XML, the TXT is enough. I personally = always submit TXT and XML, but I assume the XML is not processed if I = also submit a TXT file. I would like to know if the two don=E2=80=99t = match, but my main goal in submitting an ID is to get it published. I = suspect if it is common that the XML doesn=E2=80=99t produce a TXT file = that matches, some folks would just stop submitting the XML, especially = as it gets near an ID deadline. RFCs are a very different matter. There I assume we want the XML. It = would be a big problem if the XML didn=E2=80=99t produce the same TXT = file, as it was the TXT file that people used to review the draft and = approve it. We might want to add a step (to IDnits?) where the XML and TXT are = verified. That would avoid problems later in the publicaiton process. 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If the XML = is bad, >>>> reject it and accept the TXT. >>>=20 >>>> Otherwise you have two different source documents and there should = be only one. >>>=20 >>> Yes, I see this problem, but I see a bigger problem of archival. >>> ... >>=20 >> Archiving XML with external dependencies is problematic anyway :-) = (ok, >> archival not necessary, but assuming that the archived document can = be >> used to re-create the same output files) >=20 > I have mixed feeling about this topic. >=20 > For submitting an Internet draft, I am not sure it matters very much. = We don=E2=80=99t currently require XML, the TXT is enough. I personally = always submit TXT and XML, but I assume the XML is not processed if I = also submit a TXT file. I would like to know if the two don=E2=80=99t = match, but my main goal in submitting an ID is to get it published. I = suspect if it is common that the XML doesn=E2=80=99t produce a TXT file = that matches, some folks would just stop submitting the XML, especially = as it gets near an ID deadline. >=20 > RFCs are a very different matter. There I assume we want the XML. = It would be a big problem if the XML didn=E2=80=99t produce the same TXT = file, as it was the TXT file that people used to review the draft and = approve it. >=20 > We might want to add a step (to IDnits?) where the XML and TXT are = verified. That would avoid problems later in the publicaiton process. >=20 > Bob So I used to submit both XML and TXT and then I started thinking, if I = am submitting XML, then why am I submitting TXT too, so I started only = submitting XML and this works fine. So that led me to wonder if the TXT was a by-product of the XML, then = isn=E2=80=99t it causing confusion to submit them both and to suggest = that if the XML is submitted and it checks out, then not to accept the = TXT. I think there should be a way to suggest that XML is desired and if = received, sufficient, but not required. Tom --Apple-Mail=_0AF1F6A4-E787-4710-8501-03BA7376B574 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Nov 27, 2019, at 11:30 AM, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:

Julian,

On Nov 27, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Julian = Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:

On 27.11.2019 10:52, Michael Richardson wrote:

Tom = Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com> wrote:
Tom = Pusateri <pusateri=3D40bangj.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Is there anyway to tell = if the TXT version was created from the
submitted XML or = was uploaded separately?

If an XML version is = submitted, is there any reason to allow DRAFT
AUTHORS to = submit alternate versions still?

If the XML won't format because the references.* files are = AWOL, then
allowing the author to upload the TXT version = lets them get around that.

This happened to = me last week.

Sure but then don=E2=80=99= t accept the XML AND the TXT. If the XML is bad,
reject it = and accept the TXT.

Otherwise you have two different source = documents and there should be only one.

Yes, I see this problem, but I see a bigger problem of = archival.
...

Archiving XML with external dependencies is problematic = anyway :-) (ok,
archival not necessary, but assuming that = the archived document can be
used to re-create the same = output files)

I have mixed feeling about this topic.

For = submitting an Internet draft, I am not sure it matters very much. =  We don=E2=80=99t currently require XML, the TXT is enough.  I = personally always submit TXT and XML, but I assume the XML is not = processed if I also submit a TXT file.   I would like to know = if the two don=E2=80=99t match, but my main goal in submitting an ID is = to get it published.  I suspect if it is common that the XML = doesn=E2=80=99t produce a TXT file that matches, some folks would just = stop submitting the XML, especially as it gets near an ID = deadline.

RFCs are a = very different matter.  There I assume we want the XML. =   It would be a big problem if the XML didn=E2=80=99t produce = the same TXT file, as it was the TXT file that people used to review the = draft and approve it.

We might want to add a step (to IDnits?) where the XML and = TXT are verified.   That would avoid problems later in the = publicaiton process.

Bob

So I = used to submit both XML and TXT and then I started thinking, if I am = submitting XML, then why am I submitting TXT too, so I started only = submitting XML and this works fine.

So= that led me to wonder if the TXT was a by-product of the XML, then = isn=E2=80=99t it causing confusion to submit them both and to suggest = that if the XML is submitted and it checks out, then not to accept the = TXT.

I think there should be a way = to suggest that XML is desired and if received, sufficient, but not = required.

Tom


= --Apple-Mail=_0AF1F6A4-E787-4710-8501-03BA7376B574-- From nobody Wed Nov 27 08:53:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B584120A45 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:53:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=bangj.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 83IGB2EDN2Ww for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from oj.bangj.com (69-77-154-174.static.skybest.com [69.77.154.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C3471200B3 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.10.110] (mta-107-13-246-59.nc.rr.com [107.13.246.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 404482F603; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 11:53:44 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bangj.com; s=201907; t=1574873624; bh=GlLYyPYQf57EjsewncXoRi/zMqz9S/XH6OOeVi2ezus=; h=From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:From; b=B5n+Zmj2l/kVVz7kwHFDlnwvkOGyOLW2tV0l/Y15JgWQGv7RTPjxv3YX56NOWMPNe RPvJXmmtBZ0okWplAkdC7zm+iSaXe77IHnGRMemMXFnTxY2AiUa9urUJt/XpGTm/sr s+29aAzmo0Hqcfc4saSRaobaTddm35VAtnHuEtmszu2IxkW4dbWiLW15lRTguToq78 SMEoSkq5acgsdF01/kGbI5DUvzxAyNOvK1dv9O5D1lxUmXnjoIEkDKuC6M9zxKYGT7 yVjrVSj08B3TvuuCicPtmd70KVN3t4+vHf4UDv/fslHC5aTYSWJYkhI2+zt70yg1a7 liLkmp1G8NZDg== From: Tom Pusateri Message-Id: <739D46D7-1078-47A9-86E7-08370C90118B@bangj.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6F7176E8-E029-43BD-8008-A00D31275CD1" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 11:53:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: Cc: Bob Hinden , Julian Reschke , Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org To: Tom Pusateri References: <31178.1574667473@dooku.sandelman.ca> <2AD3F313-D831-41D0-87EC-AF722427B4AD@bangj.com> <11131.1574848336@dooku.sandelman.ca> <6c45cbfb-5f5e-06eb-d222-57106e957ae1@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] draft submitted source versions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:53:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6F7176E8-E029-43BD-8008-A00D31275CD1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Nov 27, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Tom Pusateri = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 27, 2019, at 11:30 AM, Bob Hinden > wrote: >>=20 >> Julian, >>=20 >>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Julian Reschke > wrote: >>>=20 >>> On 27.11.2019 10:52, Michael Richardson wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Tom Pusateri > = wrote: >>>>>> Tom Pusateri > wrote: >>>>>>> Is there anyway to tell if the TXT version was created from the >>>>>>> submitted XML or was uploaded separately? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> If an XML version is submitted, is there any reason to allow = DRAFT >>>>>>> AUTHORS to submit alternate versions still? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> If the XML won't format because the references.* files are AWOL, = then >>>>>> allowing the author to upload the TXT version lets them get = around that. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> This happened to me last week. >>>>=20 >>>>> Sure but then don=E2=80=99t accept the XML AND the TXT. If the XML = is bad, >>>>> reject it and accept the TXT. >>>>=20 >>>>> Otherwise you have two different source documents and there should = be only one. >>>>=20 >>>> Yes, I see this problem, but I see a bigger problem of archival. >>>> ... >>>=20 >>> Archiving XML with external dependencies is problematic anyway :-) = (ok, >>> archival not necessary, but assuming that the archived document can = be >>> used to re-create the same output files) >>=20 >> I have mixed feeling about this topic. >>=20 >> For submitting an Internet draft, I am not sure it matters very much. = We don=E2=80=99t currently require XML, the TXT is enough. I = personally always submit TXT and XML, but I assume the XML is not = processed if I also submit a TXT file. I would like to know if the two = don=E2=80=99t match, but my main goal in submitting an ID is to get it = published. I suspect if it is common that the XML doesn=E2=80=99t = produce a TXT file that matches, some folks would just stop submitting = the XML, especially as it gets near an ID deadline. >>=20 >> RFCs are a very different matter. There I assume we want the XML. = It would be a big problem if the XML didn=E2=80=99t produce the same TXT = file, as it was the TXT file that people used to review the draft and = approve it. >>=20 >> We might want to add a step (to IDnits?) where the XML and TXT are = verified. That would avoid problems later in the publicaiton process. >>=20 >> Bob >=20 > So I used to submit both XML and TXT and then I started thinking, if I = am submitting XML, then why am I submitting TXT too, so I started only = submitting XML and this works fine. >=20 > So that led me to wonder if the TXT was a by-product of the XML, then = isn=E2=80=99t it causing confusion to submit them both and to suggest = that if the XML is submitted and it checks out, then not to accept the = TXT. >=20 > I think there should be a way to suggest that XML is desired and if = received, sufficient, but not required. >=20 > Tom I would even go a step further (than most of you) and say that authors = should submit their source version. If that=E2=80=99s markdown using the = kramdown-rfc2629 pre-processor, then submit markdown. I know that might be a burden for the tools team but I think that the = people who maintain those tools would pitch in. Tom --Apple-Mail=_6F7176E8-E029-43BD-8008-A00D31275CD1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Nov 27, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Tom Pusateri <pusateri=3D40bangj.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:



On Nov 27, 2019, at 11:30 AM, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:

Julian,

On Nov 27, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Julian = Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:

On 27.11.2019 10:52, Michael Richardson wrote:

Tom = Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com> wrote:
Tom = Pusateri <pusateri=3D40bangj.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Is there anyway to tell = if the TXT version was created from the
submitted XML or = was uploaded separately?

If an XML version is = submitted, is there any reason to allow DRAFT
AUTHORS to = submit alternate versions still?

If the XML won't format because the references.* files are = AWOL, then
allowing the author to upload the TXT version = lets them get around that.

This happened to = me last week.

Sure but then don=E2=80=99= t accept the XML AND the TXT. If the XML is bad,
reject it = and accept the TXT.

Otherwise you have two different source = documents and there should be only one.

Yes, I see this problem, but I see a bigger problem of = archival.
...

Archiving XML with external dependencies is problematic = anyway :-) (ok,
archival not necessary, but assuming that = the archived document can be
used to re-create the same = output files)

I have mixed feeling about this topic.

For = submitting an Internet draft, I am not sure it matters very much. =  We don=E2=80=99t currently require XML, the TXT is enough.  I = personally always submit TXT and XML, but I assume the XML is not = processed if I also submit a TXT file.   I would like to know = if the two don=E2=80=99t match, but my main goal in submitting an ID is = to get it published.  I suspect if it is common that the XML = doesn=E2=80=99t produce a TXT file that matches, some folks would just = stop submitting the XML, especially as it gets near an ID = deadline.

RFCs are a = very different matter.  There I assume we want the XML. =   It would be a big problem if the XML didn=E2=80=99t produce = the same TXT file, as it was the TXT file that people used to review the = draft and approve it.

We might want to add a step (to IDnits?) where the XML and = TXT are verified.   That would avoid problems later in the = publicaiton process.

Bob

So I used to submit both XML and TXT and then I started = thinking, if I am submitting XML, then why am I submitting TXT too, so I = started only submitting XML and this works fine.

So that led me to wonder if the TXT was = a by-product of the XML, then isn=E2=80=99t it causing confusion to = submit them both and to suggest that if the XML is submitted and it = checks out, then not to accept the TXT.

I think there should be a way to = suggest that XML is desired and if received, sufficient, but not = required.

Tom

I = would even go a step further (than most of you) and say that authors = should submit their source version. If that=E2=80=99s markdown using the = kramdown-rfc2629 pre-processor, then submit markdown.

I know that might be a burden for the tools team = but I think that the people who maintain those tools would pitch = in.

Tom


= --Apple-Mail=_6F7176E8-E029-43BD-8008-A00D31275CD1-- From nobody Wed Nov 27 09:09:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B42812097E for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:09:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vJSMAx3NlJYy for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89B5912004D for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:49191 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ia0oB-0001zA-Vh; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:08:56 -0800 To: Tom Pusateri , Bob Hinden References: <31178.1574667473@dooku.sandelman.ca> <2AD3F313-D831-41D0-87EC-AF722427B4AD@bangj.com> <11131.1574848336@dooku.sandelman.ca> <6c45cbfb-5f5e-06eb-d222-57106e957ae1@gmx.de> Cc: Julian Reschke , Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <06222415-29d7-7212-b2d1-2093290f0f30@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 18:08:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6DBPDm3fQOrgAfow7JJeLMAaPgLlWg7x6" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, julian.reschke@gmx.de, bob.hinden@gmail.com, pusateri=40bangj.com@dmarc.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] draft submitted source versions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:09:00 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --6DBPDm3fQOrgAfow7JJeLMAaPgLlWg7x6 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="xdXUiNArrtPd1tH6KK8CqoC9M0GR7ueaG"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Tom Pusateri , Bob Hinden Cc: Julian Reschke , Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <06222415-29d7-7212-b2d1-2093290f0f30@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] draft submitted source versions References: <31178.1574667473@dooku.sandelman.ca> <2AD3F313-D831-41D0-87EC-AF722427B4AD@bangj.com> <11131.1574848336@dooku.sandelman.ca> <6c45cbfb-5f5e-06eb-d222-57106e957ae1@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: --xdXUiNArrtPd1tH6KK8CqoC9M0GR7ueaG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019-11-27 17:48, Tom Pusateri wrote: >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 27, 2019, at 11:30 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:= >>=20 >> Julian, >>=20 >>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Julian Reschke w= rote: >>>=20 >>> On 27.11.2019 10:52, Michael Richardson wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>>>> Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>>>>> Is there anyway to tell if the TXT version was created from the >>>>>>> submitted XML or was uploaded separately? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> If an XML version is submitted, is there any reason to allow DRAF= T >>>>>>> AUTHORS to submit alternate versions still? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> If the XML won't format because the references.* files are AWOL, t= hen >>>>>> allowing the author to upload the TXT version lets them get around= that. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> This happened to me last week. >>>>=20 >>>>> Sure but then don=E2=80=99t accept the XML AND the TXT. If the XML = is bad, >>>>> reject it and accept the TXT. >>>>=20 >>>>> Otherwise you have two different source documents and there should = be only one. >>>>=20 >>>> Yes, I see this problem, but I see a bigger problem of archival. >>>> ... >>>=20 >>> Archiving XML with external dependencies is problematic anyway :-) (o= k, >>> archival not necessary, but assuming that the archived document can b= e >>> used to re-create the same output files) >>=20 >> I have mixed feeling about this topic. >>=20 >> For submitting an Internet draft, I am not sure it matters very much. = We don=E2=80=99t currently require XML, the TXT is enough. I personally= always submit TXT and XML, but I assume the XML is not processed if I al= so submit a TXT file. I would like to know if the two don=E2=80=99t mat= ch, but my main goal in submitting an ID is to get it published. I suspe= ct if it is common that the XML doesn=E2=80=99t produce a TXT file that m= atches, some folks would just stop submitting the XML, especially as it g= ets near an ID deadline. >>=20 >> RFCs are a very different matter. There I assume we want the XML. I= t would be a big problem if the XML didn=E2=80=99t produce the same TXT f= ile, as it was the TXT file that people used to review the draft and appr= ove it. >>=20 >> We might want to add a step (to IDnits?) where the XML and TXT are ver= ified. That would avoid problems later in the publicaiton process. >>=20 >> Bob >=20 > So I used to submit both XML and TXT and then I started thinking, if I = am submitting XML, then why am I submitting TXT too, so I started only su= bmitting XML and this works fine. >=20 > So that led me to wonder if the TXT was a by-product of the XML, then i= sn=E2=80=99t it causing confusion to submit them both and to suggest that= if the XML is submitted and it checks out, then not to accept the TXT. >=20 > I think there should be a way to suggest that XML is desired and if rec= eived, sufficient, but not required. The datatracker draft submission page says: "Either a plain-text document or a valid .xml file which can be processe= d by the xml2rfc processor *must* be provided. If no .txt file is provided, one will be generated from the .xml file. =20 Other file types are optional." There are a number of valid options that can be used when processing .txt= from an xml2rfc files, which will result in slightly different (and valid= ) =2Etxt files. Checking the result of converting submitted XML to .txt wi= th submitted .txt is thus non-trivial. Since there's no requirement to submit XML, people can submit any .txt th= ey like. And since we haven't seen a problem with XML / text mismatch, I do= n't think there is a problem to be solved here. It's in authors' interest to= provide good XML and text documents. Any changes in the proposed direction seems to just make it harder for authors to submit drafts, and likely to encourage authors to *not* submit= XML. Henrik --xdXUiNArrtPd1tH6KK8CqoC9M0GR7ueaG-- --6DBPDm3fQOrgAfow7JJeLMAaPgLlWg7x6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAl3eraAACgkQTptXS4+7 FxpiPg//e70z/L7j+Z/CLkbKA7O4P6ViC9vTJ4tywmLGENJgPwfnoYDo26k8PDzI Y8fxyCHmJ1gmTRzMStJYEt3kcJcjRdXbFlIZsPsOskNeVaqsCTZI91byVUeqLBUy NYiPPbGcDe7Y0zpumyrhhM9dNrLbFxHADfdXEhOmCd1eu6hjG0RdKZcCKLbaU3y/ glwbkpGBkhreSCBnzlZSud0s/wLi7Nsi0L0uEBR06Tqlh1Ws3Ys/OuTx9q/hhNda fZA2wzCUJpaEoZTmAurXBAvGyQoktyTeIKLtUOe+5qXUyWs8ms9cvDNGHP/ufLbE s649qbQEILN/wkl/Sva6TlkD6odd1q20Bq7Vd1Cy+Gg3JzWZB6CGNHTtzhnAaQ3F 8U4nNF18pd5cLncQtLVZrQvFLb/7hwOp7foozj9Oujl086JJOurtHVqUEKVjsc0R NARkAQV7euzo/KHz15cYNk6JqxXkGlb2T4YxRGCOtvbbqCAFOtOEXmAWqCa1tpCv V0jUFOjF0yOjvxvIPsUqeRyQGEJPf1mLbMRkv8Flny3PMNxATvEQMmVBcnGmbSpT WAWdyy95CqL7Dm4SVwTyhDcAsUu3sNzgx4E6oFWBuUR+UsQ4jUK6RAjukz+rU9c5 WxJsJjvivOp8lHbEHQGBRkdCrSrWVBgEc/iO/MiemsnFj+j/smw= =t0F1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6DBPDm3fQOrgAfow7JJeLMAaPgLlWg7x6-- From nobody Wed Nov 27 09:33:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB6D12098B for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:32:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cRFZL6zlcGc9 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38199120219 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.116] (p548DC893.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.200.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47NSXR12l0z111h; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 18:32:55 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <739D46D7-1078-47A9-86E7-08370C90118B@bangj.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 18:32:55 +0100 Cc: Julian Reschke , Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 596568772.508719-ec1e0072d6bcb02544b9983b3ab88823 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <83182967-2E02-4BD9-A464-D817E3ACB68D@tzi.org> References: <31178.1574667473@dooku.sandelman.ca> <2AD3F313-D831-41D0-87EC-AF722427B4AD@bangj.com> <11131.1574848336@dooku.sandelman.ca> <6c45cbfb-5f5e-06eb-d222-57106e957ae1@gmx.de> <739D46D7-1078-47A9-86E7-08370C90118B@bangj.com> To: Tom Pusateri X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] draft submitted source versions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:33:00 -0000 On Nov 27, 2019, at 17:53, Tom Pusateri = wrote: >=20 > I would even go a step further (than most of you) and say that authors = should submit their source version. If that=E2=80=99s markdown using the = kramdown-rfc2629 pre-processor, then submit markdown. Hi Tom, if people are submitting the XML output of kramdown-rfc2629, they are = also submitting the markdown input, which is hidden in a comment in the = XML output. That, of course, may not survive the downconversion from = authoring-XML to publishing-XML (=E2=80=9Cpreptool=E2=80=9D), but if the = submitted authoring-XML is preserved as is, so is the markdown. = (Extract using kramdown-rfc-extract-markdown.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Nov 27 09:44:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E62A120BDE for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:44:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16jEcDCSKlh9 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20BEC120BB4 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.116] (p548DC893.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.200.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47NSpC4fy6z10xP; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 18:44:51 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <06222415-29d7-7212-b2d1-2093290f0f30@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 18:44:51 +0100 Cc: Tom Pusateri , Bob Hinden , Julian Reschke , Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 596569489.408671-12bd1721d718167763d461c48ba3af70 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3514D26A-F343-4766-8A71-17B01FB52B6D@tzi.org> References: <31178.1574667473@dooku.sandelman.ca> <2AD3F313-D831-41D0-87EC-AF722427B4AD@bangj.com> <11131.1574848336@dooku.sandelman.ca> <6c45cbfb-5f5e-06eb-d222-57106e957ae1@gmx.de> <06222415-29d7-7212-b2d1-2093290f0f30@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] draft submitted source versions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:44:55 -0000 On Nov 27, 2019, at 18:08, Henrik Levkowetz = wrote: >=20 > Any changes in the proposed direction seems to just make it harder for > authors to submit drafts, and likely to encourage authors to *not* = submit > XML. +100. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Nov 27 09:59:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABE5120B75 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:59:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=bangj.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q9JHcDAfumKu for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from oj.bangj.com (69-77-154-174.static.skybest.com [69.77.154.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C2A9120900 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.10.110] (mta-107-13-246-59.nc.rr.com [107.13.246.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6B35B2F634; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 12:59:18 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bangj.com; s=201907; t=1574877558; bh=ypb+A4hkZJwZ18EkChql2iX+4xi8Myu2bEo8dLU4NQE=; h=From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:From; b=IFsk926GoDs+JyM2OEYE+j0+tVIyiMQ69UlvWDghi5TCmnIdHSFf7L+OBwKALfy2Q SUHGQlcj864Ovkvk6rGKkjjoot1mv+CVXaIZtr7Q1WHUJ1mFAurieHjj1iHj6KL6IW uOFKAMfcjPCbrlL7PpcbYJ8D4sH+XfKeOsLoNNXB+WoaB+wzncX8egIcSYjSIyyeTy PXSB6WuOD0p+7NZKFPrcVMN2JSsAJnhBRHrBzco9AxjCue2QQH4vU/fl83/gU3CFgu B4Z+wc5cPUJBql1jpKeRarZ91X9sLD1GcX/VQDDMORK+jSWifYjjBMT6bxcU8erPY0 c2MRZLjwCxk4Q== From: Tom Pusateri Message-Id: <328519F4-E38C-4F2F-A12F-0359FE6FA044@bangj.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FB1CA895-90D4-46F3-9DCD-DA88EF5FE8CE" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 12:59:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <06222415-29d7-7212-b2d1-2093290f0f30@levkowetz.com> Cc: Bob Hinden , Julian Reschke , Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <31178.1574667473@dooku.sandelman.ca> <2AD3F313-D831-41D0-87EC-AF722427B4AD@bangj.com> <11131.1574848336@dooku.sandelman.ca> <6c45cbfb-5f5e-06eb-d222-57106e957ae1@gmx.de> <06222415-29d7-7212-b2d1-2093290f0f30@levkowetz.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] draft submitted source versions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:59:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FB1CA895-90D4-46F3-9DCD-DA88EF5FE8CE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:08 PM, Henrik Levkowetz = wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 2019-11-27 17:48, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 11:30 AM, Bob Hinden = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Julian, >>>=20 >>>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> On 27.11.2019 10:52, Michael Richardson wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>>>>> Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>>>>>> Is there anyway to tell if the TXT version was created from the >>>>>>>> submitted XML or was uploaded separately? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> If an XML version is submitted, is there any reason to allow = DRAFT >>>>>>>> AUTHORS to submit alternate versions still? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> If the XML won't format because the references.* files are AWOL, = then >>>>>>> allowing the author to upload the TXT version lets them get = around that. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> This happened to me last week. >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Sure but then don=E2=80=99t accept the XML AND the TXT. If the = XML is bad, >>>>>> reject it and accept the TXT. >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Otherwise you have two different source documents and there = should be only one. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Yes, I see this problem, but I see a bigger problem of archival. >>>>> ... >>>>=20 >>>> Archiving XML with external dependencies is problematic anyway :-) = (ok, >>>> archival not necessary, but assuming that the archived document can = be >>>> used to re-create the same output files) >>>=20 >>> I have mixed feeling about this topic. >>>=20 >>> For submitting an Internet draft, I am not sure it matters very = much. We don=E2=80=99t currently require XML, the TXT is enough. I = personally always submit TXT and XML, but I assume the XML is not = processed if I also submit a TXT file. I would like to know if the two = don=E2=80=99t match, but my main goal in submitting an ID is to get it = published. I suspect if it is common that the XML doesn=E2=80=99t = produce a TXT file that matches, some folks would just stop submitting = the XML, especially as it gets near an ID deadline. >>>=20 >>> RFCs are a very different matter. There I assume we want the XML. = It would be a big problem if the XML didn=E2=80=99t produce the same TXT = file, as it was the TXT file that people used to review the draft and = approve it. >>>=20 >>> We might want to add a step (to IDnits?) where the XML and TXT are = verified. That would avoid problems later in the publicaiton process. >>>=20 >>> Bob >>=20 >> So I used to submit both XML and TXT and then I started thinking, if = I am submitting XML, then why am I submitting TXT too, so I started only = submitting XML and this works fine. >>=20 >> So that led me to wonder if the TXT was a by-product of the XML, then = isn=E2=80=99t it causing confusion to submit them both and to suggest = that if the XML is submitted and it checks out, then not to accept the = TXT. >>=20 >> I think there should be a way to suggest that XML is desired and if = received, sufficient, but not required. >=20 > The datatracker draft submission page says: >=20 > "Either a plain-text document or a valid .xml file which can be = processed by > the xml2rfc processor *must* be provided. >=20 > If no .txt file is provided, one will be generated from the .xml = file. >=20 > Other file types are optional." >=20 > There are a number of valid options that can be used when processing = .txt > from an xml2rfc files, which will result in slightly different (and = valid) > .txt files. Checking the result of converting submitted XML to .txt = with > submitted .txt is thus non-trivial. >=20 > Since there's no requirement to submit XML, people can submit any .txt = they > like. And since we haven't seen a problem with XML / text mismatch, I = don't > think there is a problem to be solved here. It's in authors' interest = to > provide good XML and text documents. >=20 > Any changes in the proposed direction seems to just make it harder for > authors to submit drafts, and likely to encourage authors to *not* = submit > XML. Sure, I get it. I=E2=80=99m just thinking about good software engineering practices and = tracking the source documents instead of the generated documents. I=E2=80=99= m sure this will come up again when a real problem exists. Thanks, Tom --Apple-Mail=_FB1CA895-90D4-46F3-9DCD-DA88EF5FE8CE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:08 PM, Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote:


On 2019-11-27 = 17:48, Tom Pusateri wrote:


On Nov 27, 2019, at = 11:30 AM, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:

Julian,

On Nov 27, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:

On 27.11.2019 10:52, Michael Richardson wrote:

Tom = Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com> wrote:
Tom = Pusateri <pusateri=3D40bangj.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Is there anyway to tell = if the TXT version was created from the
submitted XML or = was uploaded separately?

If an XML version is = submitted, is there any reason to allow DRAFT
AUTHORS to = submit alternate versions still?

If the XML won't format because the references.* files are = AWOL, then
allowing the author to upload the TXT version = lets them get around that.

This happened to = me last week.

Sure but then don=E2=80=99= t accept the XML AND the TXT. If the XML is bad,
reject it = and accept the TXT.

Otherwise you have two different source = documents and there should be only one.

Yes, I see this problem, but I see a bigger problem of = archival.
...

Archiving XML with external dependencies is problematic = anyway :-) (ok,
archival not necessary, but assuming that = the archived document can be
used to re-create the same = output files)

I have mixed = feeling about this topic.

For submitting an = Internet draft, I am not sure it matters very much.  We don=E2=80=99t= currently require XML, the TXT is enough.  I personally always = submit TXT and XML, but I assume the XML is not processed if I also = submit a TXT file.   I would like to know if the two don=E2=80=99= t match, but my main goal in submitting an ID is to get it published. =  I suspect if it is common that the XML doesn=E2=80=99t produce a = TXT file that matches, some folks would just stop submitting the XML, = especially as it gets near an ID deadline.

RFCs are a very different matter.  There I assume we = want the XML.   It would be a big problem if the XML didn=E2=80=99= t produce the same TXT file, as it was the TXT file that people used to = review the draft and approve it.

We might = want to add a step (to IDnits?) where the XML and TXT are verified. =   That would avoid problems later in the publicaiton = process.

Bob

So I used to submit both XML and TXT and then I started = thinking, if I am submitting XML, then why am I submitting TXT too, so I = started only submitting XML and this works fine.

So that led me to wonder if the TXT was a by-product of the = XML, then isn=E2=80=99t it causing confusion to submit them both and to = suggest that if the XML is submitted and it checks out, then not to = accept the TXT.

I think there should be a = way to suggest that XML is desired and if received, sufficient, but not = required.

The datatracker draft submission page says:

"Either a = plain-text document or a valid .xml file which can be processed = by
 the = xml2rfc processor *must* be provided.

 If no .txt file is provided, one will be generated from = the .xml file.

 Other file types are optional."

There are a = number of valid options that can be used when processing .txt
from an = xml2rfc files, which will result in slightly different (and = valid)
.txt files. =  Checking the result of converting submitted XML to .txt = with
submitted = .txt is thus non-trivial.

Since there's no requirement to submit XML, people can submit = any .txt they
like. =  And since we haven't seen a problem with XML / text mismatch, I = don't
think there = is a problem to be solved here.  It's in authors' interest = to
provide good = XML and text documents.

Any changes in the proposed direction seems to just make it = harder for
authors to = submit drafts, and likely to encourage authors to *not* submit
XML.

Sure, I get = it.

I=E2=80=99m just thinking about = good software engineering practices and tracking the source documents = instead of the generated documents. I=E2=80=99m sure this will come up = again when a real problem exists.

Thanks,
Tom


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From nobody Wed Nov 27 21:53:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691A51201E5 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:53:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kySW0BaPgFrP for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:53:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5541C120B1A for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:53:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1574920362; bh=M9bHtlfSA3H2XoUK20VW8XWve0EdQwyosh39Tk2KEuo=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Vjb0sW34wEPz70LLWo4/t3lHjZQCOBXD20SgNTT+cpPLKQ4aJ2y131P84hcVsejNS T5l2+cSBZV3q0Oj3gzCKdw+gPY7C4E81EG6a6eZY9XJc97YWTnockDnJRSbY0G1csY Qrq7JkEElJphrc6qMgHq1pLORqy7MrBR/1hzTBUk= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([217.251.130.159]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MQ5rU-1iE9dq0wE4-00M6Vo; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 06:52:42 +0100 To: Henrik Levkowetz , Tom Pusateri , Bob Hinden Cc: Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <31178.1574667473@dooku.sandelman.ca> <2AD3F313-D831-41D0-87EC-AF722427B4AD@bangj.com> <11131.1574848336@dooku.sandelman.ca> <6c45cbfb-5f5e-06eb-d222-57106e957ae1@gmx.de> <06222415-29d7-7212-b2d1-2093290f0f30@levkowetz.com> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <4ebb5153-3ad5-91d1-b4c7-6906fffbfac1@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 06:52:36 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <06222415-29d7-7212-b2d1-2093290f0f30@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:MsbNnEz577QMwBR2NZovG9EqISasXlx4kR//xeWR9CtfjoASe+v s1OLoh6sTmDdKrauktFmXAee6DfllA4vu78tBuPhu5UHkUICASaxqlt9a79NB5fYdKqzV1S BBHJPGQbWUbmE7Sge8myaI/H1bveAALJRjd6d0GkG2ga8Xcm/haA+vjZ9IlfhDqoK7m3u5i pVwLUb121FVa5/x4NhYsw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:M1MgmnepxmY=:BFDFF0nvAqlC95TyGXi+vZ 3QBC43AK3RI/wkmjDhMuRGQc1j6tALdTkYZdQnyWAnMhCi9y9zvieGk+N7shL4oYUV+ikvElP ZZza+riZQ9PpR+SdhhXPglvIwVSaGVaCBQqtn+hvgVjols/pWieImmfukt7yNgIk66GDxUeyt YaGfFOyWyfu0yPhcicPfTOKhV/DW6T7DfRPkqbIjQMY6a4maJbh4XpLmVnBeKR2eDF+IjA6Mf yKstCmiqeJnTHVMBlSuQN9I9pksfb/Q9N9di86T6kOKaHGrOUTaJLkmTkIpNRB1tjcHEn5sRV Zw8gkK6jh4/nXQ9eo9XaFWjZ3+DQPwL2GBBLttdxa5bZutgPHqacjvRL2Abtq95Pxe7xCqk1C spvqdsVfvRFCPMOZes12VfiDg8Os02X4av1/sdqkNAtK2l7qPy+6zMTA5xzftkaP24SplXHOR cE9ShjUikTtkPPwPHg3ZAuiuv0RQhYNVuVIkEpIHo1IGxwPLtmeGq2W8O1jqrU8pB2cHimOKA vSEgFsdp4O3jRDWYwNs0+2VyrJBrL8sL0V+nvVWmDZpnhUWyb10XD742xOOdxa3Yb9kbS1VUS Uki7i/lULecy6bV63P8L2/0gizd37pOMlD3WrHK9lmC/De0Kwl4ljqe78iBa96pjVQzygDp4+ qDeABC1FBag4GLDzv/d38jX+ghHm7Gzuvh1Adeerb35tADH6jn+6ipWojoUWu7NUduFMM+mWp maY4CQ8YE2OFDh6tqSoBY2ztVKjI/vAhHXDiAfGK0Uiyj4A0+cckE3y/EeOOWwOOvOwF56MsY NBu4RQFSJeRrvDrU2T4F6DlI7WhmpTBrwUxTdo0NrsN7RRuAJp2adAj+qKLoV/AAx3lx2Fq6c /yhihmNP5UFSfiehtnKMKzDCHDhlIZBYakYmst6a0HGCWiSN3Dka0/wah3r32vZFldyXSqr9e q+SO5ls/BpP32ql8Wqv+Ip4JVqKsseDAzUovvFgGDzSkfE8XrRryPAO/t+1dM+AOnV4ct/SZY BAOOoLt6AWrkVxIhVDaj/EutHyhf4dFv/SxYBW4xpMDj1QdKVBOKckGqX8zrcNIaJrcwAXjoF wPxRIKIyLjs3l+9ZiDOcZM5XCcNWFUqxEadc0xLOuf4ZBkZLB6ThR+uLuuhUlqFA4uHBTNZQ9 GS0hJymkpxluCT2NkscK6Xy5S9V3rVg0bqwgxS4r3lB3Jx5cB9LQW+q2MDFOMW4D65HALUzFE ZwCN2m51LxFbOHO22Y0QNL/4ogQVuxB5zHsri8Om3EgaBYLMWmpjJzMk5ysY= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] draft submitted source versions X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 05:53:14 -0000 On 27.11.2019 18:08, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > ... > Any changes in the proposed direction seems to just make it harder for > authors to submit drafts, and likely to encourage authors to *not* submi= t > XML. > ... Indeed. (There are much more important issues with the v3 conversion that need attention). Best regards, Julian From nobody Wed Nov 27 23:23:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7FD120271 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:23:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=neutral reason="invalid (unsupported algorithm ed25519-sha256)" header.d=fifthhorseman.net header.b=ucTHGc5Z; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fifthhorseman.net header.b=eSabIMJK Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M5anncf6klZo for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:23:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from che.mayfirst.org (che.mayfirst.org [162.247.75.118]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6DB012008D for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:23:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=fifthhorseman.net; i=@fifthhorseman.net; q=dns/txt; s=2019; t=1574925822; h=from : to : subject : date : message-id : mime-version : content-type : from; bh=efneLS3Jwnzp8EzrJm1i53doXvX0yj/xMRZxZX+ax40=; b=ucTHGc5Z9+gyG455AJq+Cg8t3B0HhkeWB4ajCI9yWB19KCF2f9UAOYGF /Gwt5yCIHUyRu/5mVDzY6qIjWmQZBA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=fifthhorseman.net; i=@fifthhorseman.net; q=dns/txt; s=2019rsa; t=1574925822; h=from : to : subject : date : message-id : mime-version : content-type : from; bh=efneLS3Jwnzp8EzrJm1i53doXvX0yj/xMRZxZX+ax40=; b=eSabIMJKS6WLagheUrjOJSHrNL27Jn2vlTUtDB8dzVGP1RPdDObLu2uD S9UaMUNhX6CzJuMwAcDbN1QoEst7PbEjg76dh4/x0/Sra0vAKg4mG+J1XD lhm3psMMLfCRxiSVRO1vZy/QMty0yY0/XDBb6BSn6lEAl64GY+u7VOYQkR bfO+KRjLG1gBuYBu58BpR/qJGm5ouX4ATM7d/QqOAhK9nwXV+Qh2011NHe 3SSPNSFG8UhV7LSSbGlma+S7O2oBGyt4xOvrblp+snjDY03xmww9f+cd9c I9vyS4qBZpNI1v+6zzTooEn1MNzQGjZOjv4PichmdsBm1+Z/Gpg3zg== Received: from fifthhorseman.net (ool-6c3a0662.static.optonline.net [108.58.6.98]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B4890F9A9 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 02:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by fifthhorseman.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 14BE620422; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:23:40 +0800 (+08) From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Autocrypt: addr=dkg@fifthhorseman.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mDMEXEK/AhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAr/gSROcn+6m8ijTN0DV9AahoHGafy52RRkhCZVwxhEe0K0Rh bmllbCBLYWhuIEdpbGxtb3IgPGRrZ0BmaWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldD6ImQQTFggAQQIbAQUJA8Jn AAULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgBYhBMS8Lds4zOlkhevpwvIGkReQOOXGBQJcQsbzAhkB AAoJEPIGkReQOOXG4fkBAO1joRxqAZY57PjdzGieXLpluk9RkWa3ufkt3YUVEpH/AP9c+pgIxtyW +FwMQRjlqljuj8amdN4zuEqaCy4hhz/1DbgzBFxCv4sWCSsGAQQB2kcPAQEHQERSZxSPmgtdw6nN u7uxY7bzb9TnPrGAOp9kClBLRwGfiPUEGBYIACYWIQTEvC3bOMzpZIXr6cLyBpEXkDjlxgUCXEK/ iwIbAgUJAeEzgACBCRDyBpEXkDjlxnYgBBkWCAAdFiEEyQ5tNiAKG5IqFQnndhgZZSmuX/gFAlxC v4sACgkQdhgZZSmuX/iVWgD/fCU4ONzgy8w8UCHGmrmIZfDvdhg512NIBfx+Mz9ls5kA/Rq97vz4 z48MFuBdCuu0W/fVqVjnY7LN5n+CQJwGC0MIA7QA/RyY7Sz2gFIOcrns0RpoHr+3WI+won3xCD8+ sVXSHZvCAP98HCjDnw/b0lGuCR7coTXKLIM44/LFWgXAdZjm1wjODbg4BFxCv50SCisGAQQBl1UB BQEBB0BG4iXnHX/fs35NWKMWQTQoRI7oiAUt0wJHFFJbomxXbAMBCAeIfgQYFggAJhYhBMS8Lds4 zOlkhevpwvIGkReQOOXGBQJcQr+dAhsMBQkB4TOAAAoJEPIGkReQOOXGe/cBAPlek5d9xzcXUn/D kY6jKmxe26CTws3ZkbK6Aa5Ey/qKAP0VuPQSCRxA7RKfcB/XrEphfUFkraL06Xn/xGwJ+D0hCw== Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 02:23:39 -0500 Message-ID: <874kyofoqs.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] missing bibxml3 for draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01 (maybe https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc is stuck?) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:23:46 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain I'm using kramdown-rfc2629 to generate the next revision of draft-autocrypt-lamps-protected-headers via xml2rfc, and the new version wants an informative reference to draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01. But the xml typically fetched by this toolchain is missing. kramdown-rfc2629 < draft-protected-headers.md > draft-protected-headers.xmlv2.tmp .refcache/reference.I-D.draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01.xml: fetching *** 404 Not Found while fetching https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01.xml *** No such file or directory @ rb_sysopen - .refcache/reference.I-D.draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01.xml for ${fn} make: *** [Makefile:14: draft-protected-headers.xmlv2] Error 66 Indeed, looking at the directory listing in https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/ suggests that the requested file isn't present, even though other (older) draft-dkg documents do have a bibxml reference there. I note that draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01 was uploaded as version 3 xml2rfc, though, and not as version 2. I don't know whether that makes a difference or not. When i look a level up, though: https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/?C=M;O=D it looks like nothing in this folder has been updated since November 3rd, which is close to the submissions cutoff for IETF 106 referenced here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/important-dates/. And draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01 was indeed submitted to the datatracker after November 3rd. Maybe whatever updates those references got stuck and hasn't been restarted since the 106 submissions cutoff? Is there anything i can do to get it working again? --dkg --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYIAB0WIQTJDm02IAobkioVCed2GBllKa5f+AUCXd91+wAKCRB2GBllKa5f +CZ2AP9djccOhug+cfN4gCRAvlazUJXdjFLNK2faIu6daWUWOgEAnrGR1L4sHU/P 8S2FvF8FoJZfVSM0AFogNoUfZ4eVDwM= =E95o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Nov 27 23:30:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979EE120273 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:30:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wsXmz98X99uL for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EF5412011A for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.116] (p548DC893.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.200.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47Nq6j2w4hz11QL; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:30:21 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <874kyofoqs.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:30:20 +0100 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 596619018.877385-f5d8c1ed24f9931ca61085f5e3f18853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8B1F47A2-AF54-4FE8-A52F-29A2B741B7CE@tzi.org> References: <874kyofoqs.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] missing bibxml3 for draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01 (maybe https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc is stuck?) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:30:25 -0000 On Nov 28, 2019, at 08:23, Daniel Kahn Gillmor = wrote: >=20 > Is there anything i can do to get it working again? It seems the ancient scripts that generate bibxml3 need continuous = manual love and care, so we need to solicit some more of this. Henrik has done a prototype bibxml generation mechanism under = datatracker, but that doesn=E2=80=99t help the existing tools. (I just reviewed an I-D that had references to old versions of draft, = apparently since the numberless files haven=E2=80=99t been updated = either.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Thu Nov 28 07:35:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD8B120121 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:35:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1rfqKwFt37XM for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:35:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5025120120 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:35:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:60826 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iaLou-0003qu-Or; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:35:05 -0800 To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <874kyofoqs.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:34:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <874kyofoqs.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="40LvteSRW8v9uQPMDHL6jUGAbaxF1G1cJ" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, dkg@fifthhorseman.net X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] missing bibxml3 for draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01 (maybe https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc is stuck?) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:35:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --40LvteSRW8v9uQPMDHL6jUGAbaxF1G1cJ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="XPJ5rN4NpVbsMNBPF22RDxwFhGtpBNeqt"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] missing bibxml3 for draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01 (maybe https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc is stuck?) References: <874kyofoqs.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> In-Reply-To: <874kyofoqs.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> --XPJ5rN4NpVbsMNBPF22RDxwFhGtpBNeqt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniel, I think I've got the ancient TCL script that generates bibxml3 entries working again. The reference.I-D.draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01.xml file should now be available. Regards, Henrik On 2019-11-28 08:23, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > I'm using kramdown-rfc2629 to generate the next revision of > draft-autocrypt-lamps-protected-headers via xml2rfc, and the new versio= n > wants an informative reference to draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01. >=20 > But the xml typically fetched by this toolchain is missing. >=20 > kramdown-rfc2629 < draft-protected-headers.md > draft-protected-hea= ders.xmlv2.tmp > .refcache/reference.I-D.draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01.xml: fetching > *** 404 Not Found while fetching https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/pub= lic/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01.xml > *** No such file or directory @ rb_sysopen - .refcache/reference.I-= D.draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01.xml for ${fn} > make: *** [Makefile:14: draft-protected-headers.xmlv2] Error 66 >=20 > Indeed, looking at the directory listing in > https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/ suggests that the > requested file isn't present, even though other (older) draft-dkg > documents do have a bibxml reference there. >=20 > I note that draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01 was uploaded as version 3 > xml2rfc, though, and not as version 2. I don't know whether that makes= > a difference or not. >=20 > When i look a level up, though: >=20 > https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/?C=3DM;O=3DD >=20 > it looks like nothing in this folder has been updated since November > 3rd, which is close to the submissions cutoff for IETF 106 referenced > here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/important-dates/. And > draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01 was indeed submitted to the datatracker afte= r > November 3rd. >=20 > Maybe whatever updates those references got stuck and hasn't been > restarted since the 106 submissions cutoff? >=20 > Is there anything i can do to get it working again? >=20 > --dkg >=20 >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 --XPJ5rN4NpVbsMNBPF22RDxwFhGtpBNeqt-- --40LvteSRW8v9uQPMDHL6jUGAbaxF1G1cJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAl3f6RgACgkQTptXS4+7 FxpYFQ/+MII80QnCffyrn6lw3DcAmMdUn4Ug7dI4Sm+Kn5cQoIel3Co9DpOk5E7b KbxoTNrxwjQ4D92DkJAh/b3kWrHahXqmUKCBaj6Uh5eb7S8CpLIKSceJaQvxxO2O IdFnakfcfFUD3mTiJxpD1Kw+8xf/GdKwDk8Z7RnT3M/33MHzLHqauRuLwzHWWBzy acIQdHL2LRIlH61svG6JsjrRvtoZ0tMuQ+1KqBp/Hb/fGWNcWJFOYor/wU+i63Hd 230wD+zGH5CXJVDvUOA3W1m2yqonI1eXfb6Mju/M9ou+sqPYWjJCZwU4LDeM2mvV nPnvVeMdyyZe/VuvYhUCNs9APIzxnxMVmG0FgT3c7bn1cRklzGAUDipMequsYIrk aTIGfZcAQNyYjRWIh5x4ZK1oS7VAWrpLfva+geLy9wjYErFwByvkCpVHrVgbjRzF oRFmy6PWxfiAyyjZXrROU8BCrmKbMZuuJr3q0j8+Vxs1R5pzqkyo/d/XfQEbOKYZ Ogf6vqEA1J2JvL9TQ5Bt42uO33BTdxlptOjKotsGTMVwNgfNYU4SaTiJS1boNnMV myxbhqzPNXFAiNDhp5NVuvoSLenv+cK3gLnQWISrM84vltgZxMDtEhdDyoGZ7chQ QdHj9Lfhbs56++wv48rKNMcZVNxBoeIqJUQhyFe3Y5N002Dq1Ns= =1F+0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --40LvteSRW8v9uQPMDHL6jUGAbaxF1G1cJ-- From nobody Thu Nov 28 15:56:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECE4120108 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:56:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id imHHyRL0fVHp for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8EA01200C1 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:56:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from client-0013.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-0013.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47PF044QvCzyyV for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 00:56:04 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9E108430-4DFA-4DA7-9608-2A7A60F7490C" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 596678161.893012-daf5c5352fb94b19126f6e635180f1b8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 00:56:04 +0100 References: <20191121040335.A47AD120944@ietfa.amsl.com> <253406B7-7911-4971-9ED5-D836606D3B6A@tzi.org> To: tools-discuss In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: SPF rejection of mail to chairs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 23:56:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9E108430-4DFA-4DA7-9608-2A7A60F7490C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > I'm hoping Henrik or Robert can shed light on the current and planned > implementation of this. This is getting a bit long in the tooth; I=E2=80=99d also like to be = able to use the draft=E2=80=A6@ietf.org aliases but now realistically = can=E2=80=99t with more strict SPF checks being implemented everywhere. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten --Apple-Mail=_9E108430-4DFA-4DA7-9608-2A7A60F7490C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I'm hoping Henrik or Robert can = shed light on the current and planned
implementation of = this.

This is getting = a bit long in the tooth; I=E2=80=99d also like to be able to use the = draft=E2=80=A6@ietf.org aliases but now realistically can=E2=80=99t with = more strict SPF checks being implemented everywhere.

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[111.69.147.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p5sm28743752pgj.63.2019.11.30.11.47.40 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Nov 2019 11:47:41 -0800 (PST) From: Brian E Carpenter To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Cc: John Klensin Message-ID: <7e2e338e-3734-73d2-4cc8-ce12d5f2c8e7@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 08:47:38 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] txtv2 vs txtv3 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:47:46 -0000 This is a bit detailed for the current discussion on ietf@ietf.org I've just started switching a draft from v2 to v3, since I know the RFC Editor is likely to do so anyway. So I am today (and probably not tomorrow) in a position to do a like-for-like comparison of the two .txt output formats. It's posted, as rfcdiff output, at https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~brian/Diff-draft-carpenter-limited-domains-12v2-12v3.html . I'll leave you to enjoy it, except for these comments: 1. Please ignore the content, this is an unpublished version of the draft for now. 2. The v3 .txt is correctly paginated with [Page 2] style numbering. John, I could send you the .txt file if you want to experiment with your own tools. 3. There is a substantive one word difference (an extra "and"), because I couldn't be bothered to run the whole tool chain again for that typo. 4. There is a bug in the generation of a cross reference (see the rather odd "Section 4 of Section 4" construct, which is correct with the v2 tool chain). Henrik, would you like the source files to track that down? Regards Brian From nobody Sat Nov 30 12:10:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8F1120120 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 12:10:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lnc5yv0obyaz for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 12:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5420512008F for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 12:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:64537 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ib94a-00086J-1e; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 12:10:32 -0800 To: Brian E Carpenter , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <7e2e338e-3734-73d2-4cc8-ce12d5f2c8e7@gmail.com> Cc: John Klensin From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 21:10:16 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7e2e338e-3734-73d2-4cc8-ce12d5f2c8e7@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="G420u9Tl8H6qnul11KxLGOkowNaW0NOO6" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: klensin@jck.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] txtv2 vs txtv3 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:10:35 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --G420u9Tl8H6qnul11KxLGOkowNaW0NOO6 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="XOPjfvCnwIe51rjgFtdIm9p1lciSwUW1d"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Brian E Carpenter , tools-discuss@ietf.org Cc: John Klensin Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] txtv2 vs txtv3 References: <7e2e338e-3734-73d2-4cc8-ce12d5f2c8e7@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7e2e338e-3734-73d2-4cc8-ce12d5f2c8e7@gmail.com> --XOPjfvCnwIe51rjgFtdIm9p1lciSwUW1d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Brian, On 2019-11-30 20:47, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > This is a bit detailed for the current discussion on ietf@ietf.org >=20 > I've just started switching a draft from v2 to v3, since I know the > RFC Editor is likely to do so anyway. So I am today (and probably > not tomorrow) in a position to do a like-for-like comparison of the > two .txt output formats. It's posted, as rfcdiff output, at > https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~brian/Diff-draft-carpenter-limited-domai= ns-12v2-12v3.html . > I'll leave you to enjoy it, except for these comments: >=20 > 1. Please ignore the content, this is an unpublished version=20 > of the draft for now. >=20 > 2. The v3 .txt is correctly paginated with [Page 2] style numbering. > John, I could send you the .txt file if you want to experiment > with your own tools. >=20 > 3. There is a substantive one word difference (an extra "and"), > because I couldn't be bothered to run the whole tool chain again > for that typo. >=20 > 4. There is a bug in the generation of a cross reference (see > the rather odd "Section 4 of Section 4" construct, which is correct > with the v2 tool chain). Henrik, would you like the source files > to track that down? Yes, please. Best regards, Henrik --XOPjfvCnwIe51rjgFtdIm9p1lciSwUW1d-- --G420u9Tl8H6qnul11KxLGOkowNaW0NOO6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAl3izKgACgkQTptXS4+7 Fxps0A//bMNWrjaPbXqmQDEjT16xZzBHFX5iPcq3/MCHtmLLYGotxJblYmtHlG2U qJy2XA1B0DULEzaJAK9zJDa3tAET5dm02u5onEC75H3KTqx0IQrzVNeF/pwYsB4m Z0Gx+xW5pmuyTnOwWrkRhZ+frHj8BEW/LfJX2znDCPreQhoedZGjV8cMeI/v8Ra/ wrejG9vqmHn9pLvH6FkqydpJHqTB5Ex+FUu1I5ufLR1NTH5Roi/QKI2qN5a8K2v1 KSK29/00Bnt+9WrjITeOgqwot6Wj1r0bojh1nTCBiP63yuLMUPtJH2gVvEt1l4mh ml4tNcSxTYONa4dnzdtj7FWMoMoz15kdSNOKTAD/cMbtvvApLtnSzv4WEBHnmgzi 6z7pk7JOsJzXg93ugrHjaztSbnC9Cf4jc9UoJxWmYbOhy3a5cwJPGGKWiZYQ7tvC fq9lHdnnGr7SrKW8nUbVYJlqLyxPCcJOTUVRm3XJTrbc9YcO57y/mgwvAvLwp6bk DdUJK26yJ9TACFn0y6a2mz7OAav+9tsTlAxLypS1OSTUukW/P27Oi2oh2XV2zIlK 2OkRPdAUUwQXP/E1eeXKiN7DFHl/VKNyFBmelEvzfphvoAhGPiyiEp66zVgeR9lS GSN5LTQoGZtfV9n2AQJcScEYs3Pbky5x8ABzW+QJfpKqb2+YDmo= =PJmU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --G420u9Tl8H6qnul11KxLGOkowNaW0NOO6--