From nobody Sun Dec 1 18:36:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81295120122 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 18:36:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=bluepopcorn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F2kPdam_60AO for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 18:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from v2.bluepopcorn.net (v2.bluepopcorn.net [IPv6:2607:f2f8:a994::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A8D712011F for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 18:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from steel.local ([IPv6:2601:647:4300:2290:707c:14a3:7949:72fa]) (authenticated bits=0) by v2.bluepopcorn.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id xB22aaAe004965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 18:36:37 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bluepopcorn.net; s=supersize; t=1575254197; bh=H0Pw2Sjry1gwU84Rk9a+TfGOn/L1zyy8SHTdxuCfxT4=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=UKltjmccL6rq0DrV9iTpPsMOR2qKsPWhRNpb5DzwQdeqVcXTwrt2OFEottxNnBfOA BnT52T3pvB6tr1uPxcFC6wJchnOYAPtRLk0d2AXXdJ6OO1flNFFHGo8DwESKEisyud r6GCgxK7lfch3G4Ew3oZDGzOVVZ+swonEVtFC0T8= To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Jim Fenton Autocrypt: addr=fenton@bluepopcorn.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFJNz0MBEADME6UoNSsTvSDJOdzL4yWfH4HTTOOZZPUcM/at38j4joeBb2PdatlwCBtk 9ZjupxFK+Qh5NZC19Oa6CHo0vlqw7V1hx1MUhmSPbzKRcNFhJu0KcQdniI8qmsqoG50IELXN BPI5OEZ3chYHpoXXi2+VCkjXJyeoqRNwNdv6QPGg6O1FMbB+AcIZj3x5U18LnJnXv1i+1vBq CxbMP43VmryPf8BLufcEciXpMEHydHbrEBZb/r7SBkUhdQXjxRNcWOLeYvOVUOOrr1c+jvqm DEbTWUJVRnUro/WpZQBffFnymR0jjkdAa8eOVl/nF2oMLbaBsOMvxCRSSEcGhuqwbEappNVT 1nuBTbkJT/GGcXxc+lEx9uNj86oYC4384VZJMTd1BRI4qPXImNZCIdmpKegK743B6xxN6Qh1 Tg167pn9429JENQE/AFIVX5B/gpsg7Aq+3rmz9H6GbfovPvFV3TBTgsHCHAMC8XU+S4fhcqN PN0lbUeyb7g6wxaE+dYqC7TExx7G3prw4v66y0qS7ow/Cfw8XXOEkaFQ4XwP7nvfILT+9CcU yS8I40vlDFU9Wnt56CbGz0ZVQgHnwyPXL+S9kCcIwRLFx1M79s6T6qwX1TXadfpbi1uIw7XG TiPDT8Pk6i2y22oSSROyYD4D+wOhVkkvO0S8iZ3+LhAYUx86nwARAQABtCNKaW0gRmVudG9u IDxmZW50b25AYmx1ZXBvcGNvcm4ubmV0PokCVQQTAQIAPwIbAwYLCQgHAwIGFQgCCQoLBBYC AwECHgECF4AWIQS1nUkJe2fEXbvBaacbJaiwFdCfvgUCXVD9ggUJDORhvgAKCRAbJaiwFdCf vgiSEACd3Nem63zL2C6daCFfRzOANkf30Q8AvaRVwhfdFxs+5vETCzbqctrtIAHeqncXjm9G uEJWxecAiHZXKoWUEFECMp3+Saznw0np+c722M4k9xI+mxqbcE0qgpYQgA8zbS/Lbds3f/bk /00jrQg4VMkumONlh+RZVwxAsnWp8efrJsNTn0QOPZavAkPEN59wfyWQ3O4pNY8i3zum8Wge 8NS4BBMyG0fmjWgUq0K2QrTD4AKBslM2IWCLECypP1AOfHKmmTACKFOnzJJ4KspUw3hdBnS1 fvudUC8u26Q3T6rHosRqxGmgW7sQWwAusgMSa/A6zxR6soEBSsMT5Tf+VHebuz1FWE4ogrvJ InvewfYSCYzOQamYYGArcBtAzU00pUzW2Or7SlwZPHHy2EfMd0zvT7mwSYLwwwcCsWc1O/CI xHGea7PBgO3TdR0Ex254yc+NTyxF3isBC/fodF9aNWF6x6SV3VKYJ3U2uqS9ga85dZz8Qeps MwlSEGRVhVVWGbSxy0GxV5Up0yX4vl0kI0c7Tt57JCOoRBpn/lTK/7IEtZK6/uiw98KCy+BM uF7HPsgXjd/AQjSsZIJgDyVY/y7niduqhW2izNEdhV77htVbKHRf2SfJQNudWOIcOhUTlddH kOSjet+MDso61JxrFV4j/8wFno7NwpPIhD//HvKAiLkCDQRSTc9DARAAwZaXYs3OzGlpqvSH 3HR9GjSzIeP0EmsBCjpfIdZbQBwQ3ZREiMGInNxV+xkdjLDg0ctrWzUCUe3plWe5NJkpjqm+ KMc7GKhyeWJ5MZRtVrh0VpFTqi8UwYPWumAYqE1y/U1me/zHpfG9EDwdSYqMkPF76Fy5W+vh ZP2ILKaY8qWSLyH8TPl5mFGBypfT8Q6UuzlRs2aTbsTtBX/qwH7gztMRJSjQtYo20AqCgBBH IA/0xV5qDH7CVYyKyPQ4tJLQ8/xyTysUS5fewrj8lZo/G9SaNtC3CEvrJYwyA0nvYB6+hJPM qMP/tyRXM/9XY3qO4Vxuc+m5fYbTZa5GYAZNNuB5dvqI1U0sFTWBEbpAeabqCQ40ZnFSj+t1 tBuwfj4ey/oJ78WRyg5+VTvPKRRubOmZcnzj5yfTS3VGxAZb4Nsj1S2f3KLP0Z+Cv4dt893I 2JWTChw7jA1omF0QTQaBq140n084PFndBHudrZ3cz+APC89iie2HQ4jGQldXZXnGySHnHlA+ WUyZ9wgOplW9F4Q/Lps1bnuh5VttPVpNfjX8hiV48al+b+ut4nfzXAripIRWF3TL72/6JqgE KNhRKyRn0S6BidieSyHWzqJR3Roi/YNTvyXyLh6i6jtByb3FbnhYf/9olobDpj0E+kTemLrw owre85gwupSphqlzVSUAEQEAAYkCPAQYAQIAJgIbDBYhBLWdSQl7Z8Rdu8FppxslqLAV0J++ BQJdUP9SBQkM5GOPAAoJEBslqLAV0J++vZoP/1shJ+5iImGzvGUTTDJcAX6Wha+22QP0G51Z QGZbeB0gE+gDmRwd2yw0cO3y1sPoTJliUSuZ3DFIjv8CLBgDlrkUnijBWbi5YznsAZkH0vKG ESGzinJC6y/Nzf2TZokKiOaYrTYcZx8x2wxjNO+zsihm/rvhV/YnHEYd9dlV/MjAL3xtHU/9 fNcTDtF3RchADyVCxlqrRUkFj61dHxU+U5JRftyIliLltsy2Nlr4uAsxNX+tpAH2D2HLmjwx bV2fpTnFCVImtuo6ZqNZ8SMk1Xq0fBBdo3acBw42kL/qGIKS9x3NWEy8vsmQXn0QqNBd1Q62 9ghm82mHMTRKnOXqkMgICpZ0HffPf3p7zMkEqWptgEHxE6ZHm9hJMGEf8RED9DCYh+N1uFaM 7ndQPPFKlj80sGmNF9+01mO53hrxeL/WAdGox/STpTb2BDpiyrLdT/2R0vJNEfMxBBYlw1gc g8mPEwHwZ940/qql7e41TkDGUZa2a1WegKLj8hK1pgDDBptcdIvlvuk284jOZ2/jDyaBDsMf 310OoJchJ3977odtSCArybQIwMjTx0rv6dqjsuqP89jqlrGV6izqf1n4p4FNrBSWOSRGaoWD JJVHL4YUhP44G5xDBCtp3TqatLa5F2Rgxj50EFIzOuu9Pg1tBCPP1G+0EiikVTdDkC63X4RG Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 18:36:30 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Location of PDF files at rfc-editor.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 02:36:40 -0000 I just tried to download a copy of an RFC that was published in the past week, RFC 8689. The PDF locations seem to have moved. The "traditional" location, linked from the document page on Datatracker, would have been: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/pdfrfc/rfc8689.txt.pdf But this isn't where the PDF is; instead it's at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8689.pdf (same location as the .txt file but with .pdf extension). Apparently this is a result of the RFC v3 conversion. Not sure how we should handle the old vs. new locations. -Jim From nobody Mon Dec 2 15:56:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52FC120058 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 15:56:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=bluepopcorn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6VNlXwOEZZ7O for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 15:56:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from v2.bluepopcorn.net (v2.bluepopcorn.net [IPv6:2607:f2f8:a994::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CDBB12008F for ; 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Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Location of PDF files at rfc-editor.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 23:56:51 -0000 On 12/1/19 6:36 PM, Jim Fenton wrote: > I just tried to download a copy of an RFC that was published in the past > week, RFC 8689. > > The PDF locations seem to have moved. The "traditional" location, linked > from the document page on Datatracker, would have been: > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/pdfrfc/rfc8689.txt.pdf > > But this isn't where the PDF is; instead it's at: > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8689.pdf > > (same location as the .txt file but with .pdf extension). > > Apparently this is a result of the RFC v3 conversion. Not sure how we > should handle the old vs. new locations. > > -Jim FYI, I have created a ticket (#2844) for this. -Jim From nobody Wed Dec 4 09:47:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03ABE120856 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:47:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oLRKrqgNKnNy for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:47:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 010B7120834 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2241D3818F for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 12:43:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A1FAAB for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 12:47:36 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 12:47:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20931.1575481656@localhost> Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] boilerplate BCP14 and UTF8 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:47:41 -0000 Kramdown gives me this error in some documents: /usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.6.5/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.2.12/bin/kramdown-r= fc2629:333:in `encode': U+00A0 from UTF-8 to US-ASCII (Encoding::UndefinedConversionErro= r) when I include {::boilerplate bcp14} I don't have a BOM in my markdown. I don't think I should. It feels like the output ought to be in UTF-8, but isn't somehow. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networ= ks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect= [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [ From nobody Wed Dec 4 09:49:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7317120853 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:49:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.178 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.178 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PuelHB8tH8E7 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F68E120834 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B6F3818F for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 12:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612B2AAB for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 12:49:16 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20931.1575481656@localhost> References: <20931.1575481656@localhost> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] boilerplate BCP14 and UTF8 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:49:19 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Michael Richardson wrote: > Kramdown gives me this error in some documents: > /usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.6.5/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.2.12/bin/kramdown-rfc2629:333:in > `encode': U+00A0 from UTF-8 to US-ASCII (Encoding::UndefinedConversionError) > when I include {::boilerplate bcp14} > I don't have a BOM in my markdown. I don't think I should. > It feels like the output ought to be in UTF-8, but isn't somehow. I found: coding: us-ascii in my markdown, and removed it. Maybe we can make the error more meaningful? Or maybe the template that is copied in could be US-ASCII only? -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl3n8ZwACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXG9wf+PXaX3/NMbkgniNrAiqEeBXoDTgGWtyx8jfUqSAX+vlokr9qfDOmb+yt5 l/bvZfZonZI/hhcRbh5VP+ntQDgN85cG7bYTb//eMOrOBqzokvC0EWsdz7HN80Ke sOaygr4MVeFHld+3nzmKDsCaemKTuyEv9A7l+JOjMZxGdlzIHjHtDghDBr1C3Isd 1zvWHo1OkYTmq9416mrS9ADgS1DCYVnIgj74RMLRgdpvw8mY8hXwy3KwYYCOIcfr QaLmQNI8IE2OeO8j32SP6NgBg4zYD+SlYLlSx0IPcHClcbRJC/beNSC/TkQ2gPb1 ARzdCpszKXC+owhjlx9XIrVfgQax3w== =S/u7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Dec 4 10:20:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85AB1208C3 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:20:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qwuFRvHH2NXq for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:20:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 676A212085B for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:20:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.116] (p548DC893.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.200.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47SnGN1ksMz16WN; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 19:20:44 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <21302.1575481756@localhost> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 19:20:39 +0100 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 597176437.110631-7c61b3e634b4d6e12ce2e954b0316c89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4292ED41-D66B-4150-A086-B2247FA565D9@tzi.org> References: <20931.1575481656@localhost> <21302.1575481756@localhost> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] boilerplate BCP14 and UTF8 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 18:20:49 -0000 On Dec 4, 2019, at 18:49, Michael Richardson = wrote: >=20 > Signed PGP part >=20 > Michael Richardson wrote: >> Kramdown gives me this error in some documents: >=20 >> = /usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.6.5/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.2.12/bin/kramdown-r= fc2629:333:in >> `encode': U+00A0 from UTF-8 to US-ASCII = (Encoding::UndefinedConversionError) >=20 >> when I include {::boilerplate bcp14} >=20 >> I don't have a BOM in my markdown. I don't think I should. >> It feels like the output ought to be in UTF-8, but isn't somehow. >=20 > I found: > coding: us-ascii How did that get there? > in my markdown, and removed it. Maybe we can make the error more = meaningful? Probably. Now https://github.com/cabo/kramdown-rfc2629/issues/65 > Or maybe the template that is copied in could be US-ASCII only? I=E2=80=99ll need to check how to do the NBSP in =E2=80=9CBCP 14=E2=80=9D = in markdown without leaving ASCII encoding. But maybe the whole idea of = allowing =E2=80=9Ccoding: us-ascii=E2=80=9D is not so useful now. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Dec 4 10:37:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A243120939 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:37:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3ayfdb0bh-sR for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B2041208C3 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3253818F; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 13:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8ECAAAB; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 13:37:08 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Carsten Bormann cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <4292ED41-D66B-4150-A086-B2247FA565D9@tzi.org> References: <20931.1575481656@localhost> <21302.1575481756@localhost> <4292ED41-D66B-4150-A086-B2247FA565D9@tzi.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] boilerplate BCP14 and UTF8 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 18:37:11 -0000 Carsten Bormann wrote: >> Signed PGP part >> >> Michael Richardson wrote: >>> Kramdown gives me this error in some documents: >> >>> /usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.6.5/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.2.12/bin/kra= mdown-rfc2629:333:in >>> `encode': U+00A0 from UTF-8 to US-ASCII (Encoding::UndefinedConvers= ionError) >> >>> when I include {::boilerplate bcp14} >> >>> I don't have a BOM in my markdown. I don't think I should. >>> It feels like the output ought to be in UTF-8, but isn't somehow. >> >> I found: >> coding: us-ascii > How did that get there? >> in my markdown, and removed it. Maybe we can make the error more me= aningful? > Probably. Now https://github.com/cabo/kramdown-rfc2629/issues/65 >> Or maybe the template that is copied in could be US-ASCII only? > I=E2=80=99ll need to check how to do the NBSP in =E2=80=9CBCP 14=E2= =80=9D in markdown without > leaving ASCII encoding. But maybe the whole idea of allowing =E2=80= =9Ccoding: > us-ascii=E2=80=9D is not so useful now. Maybe: if coding =3D=3D "us-ascii" puts "WARNING: all sorts of things break if you insist on XML output bein= g US-ASCII." puts "See https://github.com/cabo/kramdown-rfc2629/issues/65" end From nobody Thu Dec 5 05:47:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D4E12004A for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 05:47:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XHZdmsX3ae1D for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 05:47:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD82A120020 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 05:47:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229FF3818F for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 08:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75A5AAB for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 08:47:54 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] HTML vs HTMLized X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 13:47:58 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Thank you for changing the default button to say "HTMLized" leaving room for the "HTML" button. A question: do I only get HTML version from XML if I upload v3 XML? -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl3pCooACgkQgItw+93Q 3WWenQgAttJSJ2rCK0RoNlXBgiALHLZqJs2WU1WVwcDk4pM9zUA9w+3eL8EksTfu wKMHcFhX8KlAJAcGHJVIL8+ulw2HfY/vHyRO+5AuqS36I2sk6q9nPv15YiNGWrBw q19RzzP62j0Y03aV9COoO97DpQ4MigES4Dub7MVxpAOcwoMTwdEhtAP8rjS7d3jG G0S77Apj8YjDVtmdvQG6bm3ntFIeVLiFRLSx7AHP7lMbi/i6nXKs/JVGkSTAoJRU qpew6nnKfPox7VT3wMgEWkqKtHjGmv1NqlziDVArnDhjFUcFs2O/kcRbvUe68cM/ bjXOIPV+q6joxG6aa7KWxTQRrnANxg== =Sjhv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Dec 5 08:10:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7768120071 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 08:10:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LAUQbuzroGTW for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 08:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C67E5120059 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 08:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from host-95-199-23-143.mobileonline.telia.com ([95.199.23.143]:60858 helo=[10.146.183.143]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1icthp-0006D1-FW; Thu, 05 Dec 2019 08:10:18 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16G102) In-Reply-To: <14533.1575553674@localhost> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 17:10:10 +0100 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <91FC73D1-91C5-4155-A249-125F066B5027@levkowetz.com> References: <14533.1575553674@localhost> To: Michael Richardson X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 95.199.23.143 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML vs HTMLized X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 16:10:21 -0000 Hi Michael, > On 5 Dec 2019, at 14:47, Michael Richardson wrote:= >=20 >=20 > Thank you for changing the default button to say "HTMLized" leaving room f= or > the "HTML" button. >=20 > A question: do I only get HTML version from XML if I upload v3 XML? Yes, that's right. There are too many issues with the v2 HTML output. Best, Henrik=20 >=20 > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- >=20 >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Thu Dec 5 08:26:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6785B12012A for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 08:26:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uu870TOCDIBt for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 08:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0E07120125 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 08:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0623F3818F for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 11:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7272366 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 11:26:48 -0500 (EST) To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <14533.1575553674@localhost> <91FC73D1-91C5-4155-A249-125F066B5027@levkowetz.com> From: Michael Richardson Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 11:26:48 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <91FC73D1-91C5-4155-A249-125F066B5027@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML vs HTMLized X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 16:26:52 -0000 On 2019-12-05 11:10 a.m., Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Michael, > >> On 5 Dec 2019, at 14:47, Michael Richardson wrote: >> >> >> Thank you for changing the default button to say "HTMLized" leaving room for >> the "HTML" button. >> >> A question: do I only get HTML version from XML if I upload v3 XML? > > Yes, that's right. There are too many issues with the v2 HTML output. I upgraded the kramdown on my laptop, and generated a new .xml file. I can't tell if it's v2 or v3 from a quick look at the file. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-richardson-anima-ipv6-lldp/ is missing HTML version. I wonder if the DT should keep track of which format was considered authoriative when uploaded (.txt, xml.v2, xml.v3). From nobody Thu Dec 5 08:38:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5DD1207FC for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 08:38:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bT2S_Rzj9-Sb for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 08:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFF851207FB for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 08:38:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343523897A for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 11:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB2A366 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 11:38:21 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson to: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <14533.1575553674@localhost> <91FC73D1-91C5-4155-A249-125F066B5027@levkowetz.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML vs HTMLized X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 16:38:25 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Michael Richardson wrote: >>> the "HTML" button. >>> >>> A question: do I only get HTML version from XML if I upload v3 XML? >> >> Yes, that's right. There are too many issues with the v2 HTML output. > I upgraded the kramdown on my laptop, and generated a new .xml file. > I can't tell if it's v2 or v3 from a quick look at the file. > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-richardson-anima-ipv6-lldp/ I've concluded that I'm doing something wrong with kramdown, and I'm getting v2 XML output, even when I ask for v3. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl3pMn0ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXKgggApmBgYM9uiVKY4VeSBCS4N/+wa8kPGHRjVADOrmoZ++LEmNyIz0hqv0Pf qwO3XZwAHTqH11o/C3HZaNbZVyQWMsraEVDvYRmF/Q5t1xCTUsHzscEdHSbwg/t5 RCF2M1kQoYBDB/Uw5cfUS7HmREe0YAqo37OuY9Hu+fW/jJzesa8homMgS0eGy/VC m2EItolozmsTq6eWwUwuQBiIOGnO2jPyxP26UZcEuLzg3UA/7xexR+e7dixyAxYI Idt/4I5OossjVzN2vj2ohj8OVRbQfp1005p8fUoSCUxPYRwOgAHXmFUKiEauPd2h Thy466cC9k3/tWYILfOHHgkndjkRww== =gN0f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Dec 5 08:55:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F75120090 for ; 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There are too many issues with the v2 HTML ou= tput. > > > I upgraded the kramdown on my laptop, and generated a new .xml fi= le. > > I can't tell if it's v2 or v3 from a quick look at the file. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-richardson-anima-ipv6-lldp= / > > I've concluded that I'm doing something wrong with kramdown, and I'm get= ting > v2 XML output, even when I ask for v3. I don't think kramdown can actually generate v3 (yet). Best regards, Julian From nobody Thu Dec 5 09:27:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E2A12099B for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 09:27:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E3aCyXzfI2a9 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 09:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25D991201E3 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 09:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394DB3818F; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 12:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0460137D; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 12:27:52 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Julian Reschke cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <418f100b-ee67-35ba-98e5-72eba1cdcf8e@gmx.de> References: <14533.1575553674@localhost> <91FC73D1-91C5-4155-A249-125F066B5027@levkowetz.com> <21497.1575563901@localhost> <418f100b-ee67-35ba-98e5-72eba1cdcf8e@gmx.de> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML vs HTMLized X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 17:27:55 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Julian Reschke wrote: >> >>> the "HTML" button. >> >>> >> >>> A question: do I only get HTML version from XML if I upload v3 XML? >> >> >> >> Yes, that's right. There are too many issues with the v2 HTML output. >> >> > I upgraded the kramdown on my laptop, and generated a new .xml file. >> > I can't tell if it's v2 or v3 from a quick look at the file. >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-richardson-anima-ipv6-lldp/ >> >> I've concluded that I'm doing something wrong with kramdown, and I'm getting >> v2 XML output, even when I ask for v3. > I don't think kramdown can actually generate v3 (yet). kramdown-rfc2629 version 1.2.13 says: dooku-[~](2.6.5) mcr 10052 %kramdown-rfc2629 -h Usage: kramdown-rfc2629 [options] file.md|file.mkd > file.xml -v, --[no-]verbose Run verbosely -3, --[no-]v3 Use RFCXML v3 processing rules which is new compared to 1.2.12. But, maybe it doesn't do very much yet :-) I'm hoping Carsten will educate us... usually when I ask for some feature, he answers with, "You mean --foobar which has been there since last year?" (I believe Carsten has temporal ESP and is able to read our the brains of other people three to fifteen months in the future. He doesn't use this power for any visible evil, because he already knows when not to) -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl3pPhcACgkQgItw+93Q 3WUyCwgAtUq27OeDT0QM6wWvNGyU10rbvL+k45esRpbfme+BRWN8AyJdbIk8QfR+ KhKyZlKplGrSstU0UZx/ptUUmr+nfXWUAtbnXjah+PvxbFw6L3OlS+vyjS9XTFAs 8Dz8OgyNsCFYs/4OZMJDn2JP2+FwQRKDxhwmovkFCJIQsnOOZAd+IIF9KT6f4yln uMhME2zH2LXWxeiwkHzQjIJlSdVr9nt2JYjuuUoCB8p/Z/0OkvhTrayFSFOmqAgN 4tM8GwSG4dTBYOCBcSUMas7c9yiZmqFm1frHza4IIggMWN5OsBO4zmPYfYZynuBd EK97x3RnEcZqb8o4ga5qbmm1HITFBQ== =P/Dr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Dec 5 09:51:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B2B12098A for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 09:51:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Thu, 05 Dec 2019 18:51:22 +0100 To: Michael Richardson Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <14533.1575553674@localhost> <91FC73D1-91C5-4155-A249-125F066B5027@levkowetz.com> <21497.1575563901@localhost> <418f100b-ee67-35ba-98e5-72eba1cdcf8e@gmx.de> <31220.1575566871@localhost> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 18:51:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <31220.1575566871@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ZS75uKFRtt4sTzHSfql/WneeKYxOaZzFX9Vj12rt7mBBYaTpz98 olbz+fIpo+QEENePF9y6/8MJ8btudvP4m3ratZNDPauWJWJP3j6qOXQre3OchHmButW7w/m /T6oURlZyi3aN3yReBAP3Xf7NTcckMUwxWTQZeUR5MKhlfmoiz/baGh/eRej3F5IYy/2/to txjzcp+uvF+LAsmrohZxQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:1k5Wx9Gx4R0=:4r/s0vmyeTJyoH6XJMtRtV rJSCdZ/u8uYyrui8HVZojsxqa2ctGTCFkKgQLwBVcUyRLnbeQQ+W8Lgkw/eLaLdoB8jlqheWA U60O4HnA96cMhQXA1AyYekneJg/uPyx+iRFDoDiDn1+26y/HQVnTGKXYS2ZjHzp/5LxVvM9Dq bCyIsk7TqYH5uUAGI1b6pQcPltxxFhkWB1qCUrIdwCnfE8rCx00fE2Qzq4v6Vi/MsN9jJ7Aui ENhe4/GL6d4XXmxUf5L4XREpPsoNxkXC9MIWhCMDoAZxC8fTiOvvELECDiwk+HR6HHP2+SlZu IJV7m9sDXBMj9Sm1Tpoa+BLSCEHxBWuKmZAVybOwdxmbkNz2ioQnFczlkO17EJY1EiUvkKQS6 dr9HN+JKGHR/0YRbDoPoeWoo/jvlVh6M/wk+c+g3zgp6fJDtmSQ4jwaxmEHlVCwMPD1ayxvMD t76wXNGTbgfG6M58KMqlyr8cIZw5FFai7+FnXdl3hvb7Z3s4S60THBPLC5ejMni5+xn6dVILo //i1mRtwcEIrvntTZk5SemWejWoMu8GvcZ0CaOlMZ1wcIH6ImOYzlJdyAV/kWA+Ta0Vg+3H+z KyZWizLSWSoMoRr+FORN08gGaNML9X6/1qtrHz0Zp16m6MLzZrq+xka4O4sOoXwfWt9AYTQym YmR7IShYHh0ANu9zlkcx1RQg5oflARLGd46RjTOWYZ7JXY1Y2GTXVYGj5tahFD5kjLkccCwKw kFexGa4heOUqtYaQwg09DmMSJRS+w7oF1KBi/uPr8X6AhwQReic7/C66dJYt7OLmp71Qi1kuK 2wBis0OdzxwkwQ95F5IUZTFtW1tr4/3E1Mw6C/i5Pmp38bp3h9Ei8jZMrYkec3eVCJHjsckoF xH6WFIGiYspqvKmBWo3Mu7sjkiOBSYf3cwNgya9t/yh2fk1QrmKtmuJ3LLm7bdpyKElNcxme9 uY1hSdp78OLDcH/mLNrZ8dpI4gf/YKYnyRiv74Exg+luOO0jEL0pitphIbWQL2pq0si3snGTn ChmkzLyG4PR2ttTs3oBN29+QtAshomQgdpKS82tI+RhBlaa9N88kL4+u0jT/STp6Y/dOkwXkz QugYili2IL7bNi30k2sQdvIc+AvnppEmEFX+HTVCh9ma2OhjIO/x1V2NQ8GQJ13OeV+ZdNTWk PrgG5JAT+2xNoGhbKhmI31KeSm8IjZeMXitJ0MZYzfP1ddtnqmp/2hHk/vTeDIPi0i/BjA8rh 8MsqSsvt5/hqez2cV1JUSCLxX+lv0UphqszEshCCFO8isAnQqEVxmdkJe8Wk= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML vs HTMLized X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 17:51:36 -0000 On 05.12.2019 18:27, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Julian Reschke wrote: > >> >>> the "HTML" button. > >> >>> > >> >>> A question: do I only get HTML version from XML if I upload = v3 XML? > >> >> > >> >> Yes, that's right. There are too many issues with the v2 HTML= output. > >> > >> > I upgraded the kramdown on my laptop, and generated a new .xml= file. > >> > I can't tell if it's v2 or v3 from a quick look at the file. > >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-richardson-anima-ipv6-l= ldp/ > >> > >> I've concluded that I'm doing something wrong with kramdown, and= I'm getting > >> v2 XML output, even when I ask for v3. > > > I don't think kramdown can actually generate v3 (yet). > > kramdown-rfc2629 version 1.2.13 says: > > dooku-[~](2.6.5) mcr 10052 %kramdown-rfc2629 -h > Usage: kramdown-rfc2629 [options] file.md|file.mkd > file.xml > -v, --[no-]verbose Run verbosely > -3, --[no-]v3 Use RFCXML v3 processing rules > ... See: Best regards, Julian From nobody Thu Dec 5 09:54:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6481201C6 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 09:54:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ULiWE2duZQRz for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 09:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAE40120130 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 09:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:54835 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1icvKZ-0005dR-L3; Thu, 05 Dec 2019 09:54:24 -0800 To: Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <14533.1575553674@localhost> <91FC73D1-91C5-4155-A249-125F066B5027@levkowetz.com> <21497.1575563901@localhost> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <80087771-7ad9-4cb2-4b91-06be8fe40542@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 18:53:56 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <21497.1575563901@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TBVuIWAmWNmL9WFsi75HPxPdWLj4dCh9k" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML vs HTMLized X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 17:54:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --TBVuIWAmWNmL9WFsi75HPxPdWLj4dCh9k Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="DOwCav24pKbgXuik6UUAPDBVUORcnJGbP"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <80087771-7ad9-4cb2-4b91-06be8fe40542@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML vs HTMLized References: <14533.1575553674@localhost> <91FC73D1-91C5-4155-A249-125F066B5027@levkowetz.com> <21497.1575563901@localhost> In-Reply-To: <21497.1575563901@localhost> --DOwCav24pKbgXuik6UUAPDBVUORcnJGbP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael, On 2019-12-05 17:38, Michael Richardson wrote: >=20 > Michael Richardson wrote: > >>> the "HTML" button. > >>> > >>> A question: do I only get HTML version from XML if I upload v3 = XML? > >> > >> Yes, that's right. There are too many issues with the v2 HTML ou= tput. >=20 > > I upgraded the kramdown on my laptop, and generated a new .xml fi= le. > > I can't tell if it's v2 or v3 from a quick look at the file. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-richardson-anima-ipv6-lldp= / >=20 > I've concluded that I'm doing something wrong with kramdown, and I'm ge= tting > v2 XML output, even when I ask for v3. Running 'xml2rfc --v2v3 $draftname.xml' should give you $draftname.v2v3.x= ml which should be valid v3 XML. Of course it would be preferable to get v3 directly from kramdown, and no= t have to do that every time. Henrik --DOwCav24pKbgXuik6UUAPDBVUORcnJGbP-- --TBVuIWAmWNmL9WFsi75HPxPdWLj4dCh9k Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAl3pRDQACgkQTptXS4+7 Fxpo9Q//cXd7c5UC7ZYJJkeiqjw0XGR9vd4Ua45m81PAYm6lohn0xG8o8Cmya7g3 9UmnmOIbvChYjblDx78qI0aNn8TJQ/3DW7xUjVtEkkGiVc3dWp1IALwlBE8jPUpT QP/FOs7wQLDa4S5XJRAOxaJcufG0n/nEqhOiAjAtqm6UfSyXCnH+fX5dS7+++1ZU XnUtACav6s0ogU+MczD0FISaHRDzjlkObC2gz1dWus9BPoJmi4miqmgLufZuI+71 LZkCvFIdgPYGZ1+JtTht518wX5GSqqybnvMNVNNUicWw/1acAVycvPKlNqgY05C2 5bRo0kpb54n6rrmGstbGMKG1/lO1r8Ns6emKProXH9/1TCrfTsFpXnaG15tWbah5 +IY7WKzZY2wElcEl44/XzCcTUTTSl8Dd57molC0W7wqMAyZFgh/43ZlQCL+v7Ult xAPQQVBMvX+dd4lebslnSLSrWnmA+qm6COH5vUa4qIyoxFP0KDBowzkAtWRUoBS+ ZRR3vwN2KpF06eMvb8AaGB416CITAivw/Xwjl7Yp8N3fr9uZbAVyagwMfye1uE01 btaqAr+hkp269wSJ/7ywOlSoFv3jrtsWolablFqeFhRaTw0HlS1a1ktKaLKWFU1E L0lYIeoWokOy/57t/V4K+qMqy8GLPusRxcC34fn4gNiWLv369K4= =jAAW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TBVuIWAmWNmL9WFsi75HPxPdWLj4dCh9k-- From nobody Thu Dec 5 11:54:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A0B12008D for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 11:54:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LhMVBoraxWgP for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 11:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CC3D12006E for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 11:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.116] (p548DC893.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.200.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47TRHY4Bpdzyxp; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 20:54:01 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <31220.1575566871@localhost> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 20:54:06 +0100 Cc: Julian Reschke , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 597268444.899966-3d465cd609a5a3ebe1661b8ce6ef9f5a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <14533.1575553674@localhost> <91FC73D1-91C5-4155-A249-125F066B5027@levkowetz.com> <21497.1575563901@localhost> <418f100b-ee67-35ba-98e5-72eba1cdcf8e@gmx.de> <31220.1575566871@localhost> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML vs HTMLized X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 19:54:07 -0000 On Dec 5, 2019, at 18:27, Michael Richardson = wrote: >=20 > kramdown-rfc2629 version 1.2.13 says: >=20 > dooku-[~](2.6.5) mcr 10052 %kramdown-rfc2629 -h > Usage: kramdown-rfc2629 [options] file.md|file.mkd > file.xml > -v, --[no-]verbose Run verbosely > -3, --[no-]v3 Use RFCXML v3 processing rules >=20 > which is new compared to 1.2.12. But, maybe it doesn't do very much = yet :-) > I'm hoping Carsten will educate us... Indeed, the route towards v3 goes through v2 at this time. As Henrik mentioned, xml2rfc has a compatibility mode and can process v2 = and convert v2 to v3. For now, this is likely to be a more stable approach than direct v3 = generation. I admit this is a somewhat lazy way of handling this, but I also believe = this is in the best interest of kramdown-rfc=E2=80=99s users: stability = is the most important feature of kramdown-rfc. If you actually need a new v3 feature (artsets anyone?), you are better = off writing the XML on your own, in particular during a period where = these features aren=E2=80=99t really stable. When patterns of usage = emerge here that actually can be expressed in markdown, I=E2=80=99ll = sure go ahead and implement them. And when we have an approved document = for v3, directly generating v3 is likely to be stable enough.=20 I=E2=80=99m going to stop going into details here. Note that there is a = (very low volume(*)) rfc-markdown list that should be hosting any = specific discussions: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-markdown Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten (*) Well, that might change slightly as we embrace v3. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi: https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp1 returns the following page: [Docs] [txt|pdf] --> --> Python 2.7.10+: /srv/www/ietfdb/env/bin/python Sun Dec 1 19:15:19 2019 A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of function cal= ls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred. /www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup in () 1530 usage() 1531 sys.exit() 1532 =3D> 1533 markup() 1534 markup =3D /www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup in markup() 1513 args["padding"] =3D " "*(72 - len(re.sub("<.*?>", "", (= topmenu % args)))) 1514 sys.stdout.write(topmenu % args) =3D> 1515 if not draftname and int(rfc) > 8650: 1516 args["rfc"] =3D rfc 1517 sys.stdout.write(althtmlinfo % args) draftname =3D None, builtin int =3D , rfc =3D None : int() argument must be a string or a number,= not 'NoneType' args =3D ("int() argument must be a string or a number, not 'NoneType= '",) message =3D "int() argument must be a string or a number, not 'NoneTy= pe'" * Bernie --_000_DM6PR11MB4137229AEF0E5628B63076DFCF5F0DM6PR11MB4137namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi:

 

https:/= /tools.ietf.org/html/bcp1 returns the following page:

 

[Docs] [txt|pdf]    &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;
--> --><= /p>

 
 
<type 'exceptions.TypeError'>

Python 2.7.10+: /srv/www/ietfdb/env/bin/python
Sun Dec 1 19:15:19 2019

A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence= of function calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred.

 /www/tools.ietf.or= g/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup in ()

&= nbsp; &n= bsp;1530&nbs= p;        usage()

&= nbsp; &n= bsp;1531&nbs= p;        sys.exit()

&= nbsp; &n= bsp;1532&nbs= p;

=3D= > 1533<= /span>  &nb= sp;  markup()

&= nbsp; &n= bsp;1534&nbs= p;    

markup =3D <function markup>

 

 /www/tools.ietf.or= g/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup in markup()=

&= nbsp; &n= bsp;1513&nbs= p;            a= rgs["padding"] =3D " "*(72 - l= en(re.sub("<.*?>", "", (topmenu %&= nbsp;args))))

&= nbsp; &n= bsp;1514&nbs= p;            s= ys.stdout.write(topmenu % args)<= /o:p>

=3D= > 1515<= /span>  &nb= sp;          if not&= nbsp;draftname and int(rfc) > 8650:

&= nbsp; &n= bsp;1516&nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   args["rfc"] =3D rfc<= span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",seri= f;color:black">

&= nbsp; &n= bsp;1517&nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   sys.stdout.write(althtmlinfo % args)

draftname =3D None, builtin int=  =3D <type 'int'>, rfc =3D None

<type 'exceptions.TypeError'>: int() argument must be a string or a number, not 'NoneType'
   &n= bsp; &nbs= p;args =3D ("int() argument must be a= string or a number, not 'NoneType'",)
   &n= bsp; &nbs= p;message =3D "int() argument must be= a string or a number, not 'NoneType'"

  • Bernie
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[111.69.147.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u3sm4197539pjn.0.2019.12.06.11.22.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 06 Dec 2019 11:22:48 -0800 (PST) To: "Bernie Volz (volz)" , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" References: From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 08:22:45 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Error page returned by tools.ietf.org/html/bcp1 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 19:22:51 -0000 BCP1 and BCP2 don't exist in the RFC Index but return this error. Other non-existent BCPs return a 404. I suspect that BCP1 and BCP2 have a ghostly existence in the database used. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1818 was BCP1. It's marked as HISTORIC in the RFC Index but has apparently never been formally obsoleted. It probably should have been obsoleted by RFC 2026. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1871 was BCP2. It's marked as HISTORIC in the RFC Index and as obsoleted by RFC 2026. Regards Brian On 07-Dec-19 06:18, Bernie Volz (volz) wrote: > Hi: >=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp1 returns the following page: >=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 > [Docs ] [txt |pdf ]=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 > --> --> >=20 > =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 > ** >=20 > =09 >=20 > Python 2.7.10+: /srv/www/ietfdb/env/bin/python > Sun Dec 1 19:15:19 2019 >=20 > A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of function= calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred. >=20 > =C2=A0/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup =C2=A0in=C2=A0() >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01530=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0usage() >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01531=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0sys.exit() >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01532=C2=A0 >=20 > =3D>=C2=A01533=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0markup() >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01534=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=20 > *markup*=C2=A0=3D >=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 > =C2=A0/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup =C2=A0in=C2=A0*markup*() >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01513=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0args["padding"]=C2=A0=3D=C2=A0"=C2=A0"*(72=C2=A0= -=C2=A0len(re.sub("<.*?>",=C2=A0"",=C2=A0(topmenu=C2=A0%=C2=A0args)))) >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01514=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0sys.stdout.write(topmenu=C2=A0%=C2=A0args) >=20 > =3D>=C2=A01515=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0if=C2=A0not=C2=A0draftname=C2=A0and=C2=A0int(rfc)=C2= =A0>=C2=A08650: >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01516=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0args["rfc"]=C2=A0=3D=C2= =A0rfc >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01517=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0sys.stdout.write(altht= mlinfo=C2=A0%=C2=A0args) >=20 > *draftname*=C2=A0=3D None,=C2=A0/builtin/=C2=A0*int*=C2=A0=3D ,=C2=A0*rfc*=C2=A0=3D None >=20 > **: int() argument must be a string or a n= umber, not 'NoneType' > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0args=C2=A0=3D ("int() argument must= be a string or a number, not 'NoneType'",) > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0message=C2=A0=3D "int() argument mu= st be a string or a number, not 'NoneType'" >=20 > * Bernie >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 From nobody Sat Dec 7 07:01:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63CE12008F for ; 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protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: "Bernie Volz (volz)" , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Message-ID: <90acd081-a32e-efe5-f0e7-27a994109f8b@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Error page returned by tools.ietf.org/html/bcp1 References: In-Reply-To: --CxmTfPuk24u8EE54N8N4qvr6QbjKiDq6X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI Bernie, This should be fixed now. Thanks for the alert. Please email issues with tools.ietf.org to webmaster@tools.ietf.org. Henrik On 2019-12-06 18:18, Bernie Volz (volz) wrote: > Hi: >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp1 returns the following page: >=20 > [Docs] [txt|pdf] > --> --> >=20 >=20 > > Python 2.7.10+: /srv/www/ietfdb/env/bin/python > Sun Dec 1 19:15:19 2019 >=20 > A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of function= calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred. > /www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup in () > 1530 usage() > 1531 sys.exit() > 1532 > =3D> 1533 markup() > 1534 > markup =3D >=20 > /www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup in markup() > 1513 args["padding"] =3D " "*(72 - len(re.sub("<.*?>", "= ", (topmenu % args)))) > 1514 sys.stdout.write(topmenu % args) > =3D> 1515 if not draftname and int(rfc) > 8650: > 1516 args["rfc"] =3D rfc > 1517 sys.stdout.write(althtmlinfo % args) > draftname =3D None, builtin int =3D , rfc =3D None >=20 > : int() argument must be a string or a num= ber, not 'NoneType' > args =3D ("int() argument must be a string or a number, not 'None= Type'",) > message =3D "int() argument must be a string or a number, not 'No= neType'" >=20 > * Bernie >=20 >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 --CxmTfPuk24u8EE54N8N4qvr6QbjKiDq6X-- --aBpvwk9VMn5hwKni1ArPdMf0lLCFWPnkb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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MSIE 6.0; Windows 98) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: mzcwyzvk@sideshowbarker.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on sideshowbarker.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] IP address blocked from accessing https://tools.ietf.org/ resources X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 03:47:06 -0000 --MiFvc8Vo6wRSORdP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I try to load https://tools.ietf.org/ URLs from my work machine, the requests timeout without receiving any response. I can make requests to https://tools.ietf.org/ successfully from other machines with different IP address, I was running some scripts earlier that made requests for a number of https://tools.ietf.org/ in a relatively short amount of time, so I=E2=80=99m guessing that maybe whatever rate-limiting is in place at tools.ietf.org has blocked my IP address for some amount of time. (It=E2=80=99s been two d= ays...) What can I do to get the blocking removed? What can I do to avoid getting blocked again? =E2=80=93Mike --=20 Michael[tm] Smith https://people.w3.org/mike --MiFvc8Vo6wRSORdP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEE1IdYVkFeY5ZNh0RRh9F0d7w6S5UFAl3twzIACgkQh9F0d7w6 S5W+LxAAkWb6kVB5EEPsQgJkDhF4u/YeKPH0qeb0yRCrNERmFesPWB/JF99KrDXQ xGRIQuzpjxWZZjNleBYNkkG4uPrkvY9vyW3P45kTcSPfXlcev/FcPfE/IiLFFggQ 4zJCWRYLi6qBcAgdsqhDOgqC1s7D/4FBh1tgC3M2B23G4OxtjYtMUH7X2OIw9WOA C/77pbdu/08CRkBnZuQuCkE90HkUc/0wmxndzZpJw8f15GGOBEIVWks/kCFhwAqq FQdPHsNhAkArCrfAsE8WM8Y7VRQnifKb3CAeBf2EHrBF1wgoM/FrR3eivwUltRGI XeSq5C/ctK2OO+MbZiqbEaYHNNktQb2JABlFjSm9i5MteesPrNgRIWiKKm377l/n lgAl4dZc+tdXf8vcJ/HffLXiMqvOne+C56yczdS1d6n0jpY6HlVt7//n6LRQNOAT 49hjO60Ogx0xEmMlCn+NXlJqpNtiYCZwbGTtWBqB771YoG5OqQrbRmJotok+9Yqb qvCF0xBt75QPW9NgX9Sx0ZgpHIiIj+4xv68B7ZYwUyDGzxsOXpPn4zXn/bYVXUXp X2RuKXntWLWEtvLpkTJtUjEUhpaSYdgpzGPexQUBxxpnn9d2okM1Cfx/SBuqF2rR PddDTykaJZckG2btt2WFp3x9SWM+iRx8d+hwV0wg+xaannB8O0Y= =nUkj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MiFvc8Vo6wRSORdP-- From nobody Sun Dec 8 19:50:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289EA12007C for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 19:49:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1nJkFOVR2B1w for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 19:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70A0C12004A for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 19:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81E02203300 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 19:48:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi1-f174.google.com (mail-oi1-f174.google.com [209.85.167.174]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 668A52032FC for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 19:48:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi1-f174.google.com with SMTP id i1so5098631oie.8 for ; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 19:49:57 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUISB6BzwU56aiqgIb473BP1+OMCVH/e9902fUu2VQyo+gIrBFc QtAnHbxdUujHrNDPGbHxNv1TZNi+OPuZKre3wpQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzMQ9Wn6TmUW/yc3sH7ul2GULp5/dmheZCWZo373WPFQRKxvNl2qbB7QLurhtrC/grL10ciV3wuCPbmYEOitgk= X-Received: by 2002:a54:4f14:: with SMTP id e20mr21823315oiy.84.1575863396702; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 19:49:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191209034454.GF282010@sideshowbarker.net> In-Reply-To: <20191209034454.GF282010@sideshowbarker.net> From: Glen Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 19:49:44 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: "Michael[tm] Smith" Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IP address blocked from accessing https://tools.ietf.org/ resources X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 03:49:59 -0000 Hi Mike - The best thing to do (for fastest service) is to report that to the operators of the Tools servers: webmaster@tools.ietf.org We discuss IETF Tools (software) here, but they're the ones who actually operate the Tools servers. Glen -- Glen Barney IT Director AMS (IETF Secretariat) On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 7:47 PM Michael[tm] Smith wrote: > > When I try to load https://tools.ietf.org/ URLs from my work machine, the > requests timeout without receiving any response. > > I can make requests to https://tools.ietf.org/ successfully from other > machines with different IP address, > > I was running some scripts earlier that made requests for a number of > https://tools.ietf.org/ in a relatively short amount of time, so I=E2=80= =99m > guessing that maybe whatever rate-limiting is in place at tools.ietf.org > has blocked my IP address for some amount of time. (It=E2=80=99s been two= days...) > > What can I do to get the blocking removed? What can I do to avoid getting > blocked again? > > =E2=80=93Mike > > -- > Michael[tm] Smith https://people.w3.org/mike > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Sun Dec 8 19:54:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F701200CC for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 19:54:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.837 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.837 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RDNS_NONE=0.793, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=sideshowbarker.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c1z_ErpjtKXH for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 19:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from sideshowbarker.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:41c8:51:7e0:fcff:ff:fe00:4635]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C52A412004A for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 19:54:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sideshowbarker.net; s=NjdmOTlk; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=vE/7tVqapzWkp9UQu3OgpUf7OAlRyT1zMrpFHXuNSNQ=; b=Y04o2eifoicOGqJuiuPaPlwgT lfr4f0a+XHsHTf8RTWQQgFh8kcjwx5cV0GENH7oILuaHmWzdbNSn/zZ78pbghIENTdZj0O5fy1k86 r89lKNm5mwEPN5jLyjK4MAaQgvNeLZa+btQ9SAKrywXhqLSjX/06wimxWwGAIuIHZgpk4=; Received: from mzcwyzvk by sideshowbarker.net with local (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1ieA7g-001kxa-Ij; Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:54:12 +0900 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:54:12 +0900 From: "Michael[tm] Smith" To: Glen Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20191209035412.GH282010@sideshowbarker.net> References: <20191209034454.GF282010@sideshowbarker.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="54ZiyWcDhi/7bWb8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.2 (2019-09-21) =?utf-8?Q?=28?= =?utf-8?B?8J+Wlg==?= compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: mzcwyzvk@sideshowbarker.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on sideshowbarker.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IP address blocked from accessing https://tools.ietf.org/ resources X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 03:54:17 -0000 --54ZiyWcDhi/7bWb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Glen, Glen , 2019-12-08 19:49 -0800: >=20 > The best thing to do (for fastest service) is to report that to the > operators of the Tools servers: >=20 > webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 > We discuss IETF Tools (software) here, but they're the ones who > actually operate the Tools servers. Thanks =E2=80=94 will do, sorry for the noise =E2=80=93Mike --=20 Michael[tm] Smith https://people.w3.org/mike --54ZiyWcDhi/7bWb8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEE1IdYVkFeY5ZNh0RRh9F0d7w6S5UFAl3txWQACgkQh9F0d7w6 S5WWpg//R5YdV1+iyKgyVHh6Qw1d5zNnw4MdA1OFgLixvWEOkJS9sJ467Rb23F1q uCRgGDIbOG3QwFke6zVws/V2QXqJ5KTTI/0jSMSLdPGApMCK0kuuQUqTxefNa6NL liik3GWtd2THzDc4wk9VJbNgksy1UR/LcJdCIN0FsmwTN/YIM5B9H31bNniUNJ1O t/i6eOdrp2fGh8nsnqo2T8C2mmmD8ZkriOcvlnCzztcmSxk1LX8GAPDMhqKzkxtz G87n8hoxqkco4fYxhraNZMfmD6M/dXMUm5KQ/suKWYqmQGp/un14EIJo4jOHIKdk 9k0t2dJzCsxDKAvkI0SjmOPOGZabKKsgyVQNPz7XC/I6fSG9HpCYgfl0rjrByjsZ f3eHekKjU5edhbyb0EjZsnOD+4ejZCGbHebAmSkWBz18XDRNo0h9uTKbPauREYgs MyIRgOfGqtX9/Go2Jds7k+ed56lKeVnPugjFqHYcJxsD/s8G4mo5rfL3H18GhxGg atrrYh2TL+p19ca7q2S5sfhAcNSRPhUL1IcY0uuquNTsrBgwns5rLD7rFFdxyio6 r7Kg0bg8N9G9+htNa6WhdQJP+5hnWbXbBexcUx7KqEbmbJ3NvTT8Yzj5KqyGbrhM CSYr20trxqOT5uRXKA9t9dbwlkWe2hD1zeksfBQBu//FTg5FafE= =Ha35 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --54ZiyWcDhi/7bWb8-- From nobody Sun Dec 8 20:16:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9CF1200CC for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:16:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OEqXo2ILl6Qd for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE74812004A for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2E2020334D for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi1-f174.google.com (mail-oi1-f174.google.com [209.85.167.174]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 96EFC20334B for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi1-f174.google.com with SMTP id b8so5164901oiy.5 for ; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 20:16:45 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUi7GwkUQjzD41VjyRFQQzHD/I00S8jBOUcD7MPbhow5QAuRRBj p9MZ8tf1nIbYHiYAQrvMVxadlo1hvTsu6n1NmWI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwoE4Gx3aj/S1CSyemTxYUFNiW0mysY253qRxU6+VGx9cejbOd12kp4uB/cvYtc3AN7MQgE9roj1Dydv65tb3Q= X-Received: by 2002:a54:4f14:: with SMTP id e20mr21881082oiy.84.1575865005065; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 20:16:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191209034454.GF282010@sideshowbarker.net> <20191209035412.GH282010@sideshowbarker.net> In-Reply-To: <20191209035412.GH282010@sideshowbarker.net> From: Glen Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:16:32 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: "Michael[tm] Smith" Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IP address blocked from accessing https://tools.ietf.org/ resources X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 04:16:46 -0000 On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 8:15 PM Michael[tm] Smith wrote: > Thanks =E2=80=94 will do, sorry for the noise Certainly no worries! We're all here to help, and make things better. :-) I'm sure they'll get you taken care of. Glen From nobody Mon Dec 9 10:29:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED3112010F for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 10:29:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V2kpbYD9HH9e for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 10:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9761B120104 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 10:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65253897B; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B2E68B; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:29:49 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: RFC Interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] handling of Working group label in ietf.org hosted output X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 18:29:52 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Due to cargo-culting and copy and paste I have: wg: anima Working Group in my markdown, which results in: anima Working Group I happened to notice in the HTML output hosted on ietf.org/id/ how prominent this is, and how easily it could be used to confuse people into thinking my document had been adopted, when it was still an individual submission. Clearly, I should conscientiously put something else there. 1) what should I put? I think that "independant submission" would make sense. 2) I think that the result should be driven by the datatracker. My suggestion is that the xml2rfc converter have an command line override for this element, such that the actual value for Internet-drafts can be driven by the datatracker rather than the author. This is not a new problem, btw. I think that it was just wasn't so obvious in tools.ietf.org, because the included header in the htmlized output made that WG label a lot less obvious. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl3ukp0ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WUG4Qf/XZxS+MMXV1icKEVw4wOc9kYSMqSVXGQ+ek26lr90dBi8DbIHZCJhKYZC ichoEUg1J59r9BFM1r3hF3/xDsv3nuf3XzimdZgaNflHfZqSG4nLxgeGMKNVG4Og FwD1IfJVr47c+u6eF4hbrNLMN5ipI/mA0ZaCAzrsPWsldHJwOlJDsljETPeqpyxV I95ugjvQhIqeoXt6Vyf/QeUVNzIZ+lgu0ooEigt3Ve700IHmYJSHLhNfDGSO+FaU rlWL+JYrF4d/vR4Hy6EXJvps6E0VXpdSLlUzPKG28ub+UA8dZJfhV+z5bqmooQ44 17HZndDJ2WKMj4+xeEJ0rRgrkAAMTw== =zrPy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Dec 9 10:36:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8C412004F for ; 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Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by fifthhorseman.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A64042040A; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:16:17 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor To: Henrik Levkowetz , tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <874kyofoqs.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> Autocrypt: addr=dkg@fifthhorseman.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mDMEXEK/AhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAr/gSROcn+6m8ijTN0DV9AahoHGafy52RRkhCZVwxhEe0K0Rh bmllbCBLYWhuIEdpbGxtb3IgPGRrZ0BmaWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldD6ImQQTFggAQQIbAQUJA8Jn AAULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgBYhBMS8Lds4zOlkhevpwvIGkReQOOXGBQJcQsbzAhkB AAoJEPIGkReQOOXG4fkBAO1joRxqAZY57PjdzGieXLpluk9RkWa3ufkt3YUVEpH/AP9c+pgIxtyW +FwMQRjlqljuj8amdN4zuEqaCy4hhz/1DbgzBFxCv4sWCSsGAQQB2kcPAQEHQERSZxSPmgtdw6nN u7uxY7bzb9TnPrGAOp9kClBLRwGfiPUEGBYIACYWIQTEvC3bOMzpZIXr6cLyBpEXkDjlxgUCXEK/ iwIbAgUJAeEzgACBCRDyBpEXkDjlxnYgBBkWCAAdFiEEyQ5tNiAKG5IqFQnndhgZZSmuX/gFAlxC v4sACgkQdhgZZSmuX/iVWgD/fCU4ONzgy8w8UCHGmrmIZfDvdhg512NIBfx+Mz9ls5kA/Rq97vz4 z48MFuBdCuu0W/fVqVjnY7LN5n+CQJwGC0MIA7QA/RyY7Sz2gFIOcrns0RpoHr+3WI+won3xCD8+ sVXSHZvCAP98HCjDnw/b0lGuCR7coTXKLIM44/LFWgXAdZjm1wjODbg4BFxCv50SCisGAQQBl1UB BQEBB0BG4iXnHX/fs35NWKMWQTQoRI7oiAUt0wJHFFJbomxXbAMBCAeIfgQYFggAJhYhBMS8Lds4 zOlkhevpwvIGkReQOOXGBQJcQr+dAhsMBQkB4TOAAAoJEPIGkReQOOXGe/cBAPlek5d9xzcXUn/D kY6jKmxe26CTws3ZkbK6Aa5Ey/qKAP0VuPQSCRxA7RKfcB/XrEphfUFkraL06Xn/xGwJ+D0hCw== Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 13:16:17 -0500 Message-ID: <87pngx8ivi.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] missing bibxml3 for draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01 (maybe https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc is stuck?) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 18:35:59 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain On Thu 2019-11-28 16:34:48 +0100, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > I think I've got the ancient TCL script that generates bibxml3 entries > working again. The reference.I-D.draft-dkg-lamps-samples-01.xml file > should now be available. Thanks for the fix! This e-mail is just to let you know that your fix worked, and things are functional for me now. Very much appreciated. --dkg --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYIAB0WIQTJDm02IAobkioVCed2GBllKa5f+AUCXe6PcQAKCRB2GBllKa5f +K8lAP9Cd8HfDgvgKQ+7GQNXyZZBQUYCtjhVNL38VkOY+/xNgQD+N+8b0g/v2S52 lo4EIa87YNpnzHSkvS0tjdNNsINtcwY= =zf+o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Dec 9 11:20:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C277512004E for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:20:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zLEA_OKMFTag for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:20:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE8E1120025 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 11:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.116] (p548DC893.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.200.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47WtLX0hd8z16Dg; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 20:20:04 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <31038.1575916189@localhost> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 20:20:03 +0100 Cc: RFC Interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 597612001.659067-ca7fd591f8a2b19d3de6c6736608b7be Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2C2F75BC-5467-4D69-A61C-02B90DF8218A@tzi.org> References: <31038.1575916189@localhost> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] handling of Working group label in ietf.org hosted output X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 19:20:08 -0000 On Dec 9, 2019, at 19:29, Michael Richardson = wrote: >=20 > 1) what should I put? I think that "independant submission" would = make > sense. RFC 7991 says: This element is used to specify the Working Group (IETF) or Research Group (IRTF) from which the document originates, if any. The recommended format is the official name of the Working Group (with some capitalization). Clearly, your submission to ANIMA did not originate from the WG, so just = writing =E2=80=9Canima=E2=80=9D is not right, as you say. People still = like to indicate the target for an individual submission, so = =E2=80=9CSubmission to the anima working group=E2=80=9D would work for = me. (I too often see documents where I have no idea where they are = discussed. Adding an editor=E2=80=99s note for that is a good way to = provide that information, but a workgroup element sounds like a minimal = way to cover this.) The confusion is similar to the =E2=80=9Cintended status=E2=80=9D = confusion: When I=E2=80=99m writing a submission for the standards = track, it is not yet on the standards track, but I=E2=80=99ll still = indicate that I want it to be. So I=E2=80=99m likely write wg: LWIG Working Group in my submission to the LWIG WG about 7228bis, even before it is = adopted. BTW,=20 Formatting software can append the words "Working Group" or "Research Group", depending on the "submissionType" property of the element (Section 2.45.12). I don=E2=80=99t think that this happens, so you seem to get free reign = to influence what goes into the first line of the I-D. Maybe xml2rfc = should instead put in =E2=80=9CIntended working group:=E2=80=9D as it = does for =E2=80=9CIntended status:=E2=80=9D? Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Dec 9 15:17:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D301200FB for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 15:17:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C9D1fq6dFQvI for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 15:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6D821200F6 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 15:17:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1575933431; bh=ASAFcQnEznAQXQQya2A85HSVyS1oHxS72vXbzFBeIFY=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=FMZsj2xX4fyOCwgpk3xAmQJQk+6U2vJ1c8ZypXFMch4Iz9zzvXq27WtPiTW8oJtew lJv8Je2aM1NDE53LVETt6FcWBpG7BsHwQzNrUINEwRaYIn6DbiflLISwAv1OhfhWtk ooNsVOlRn8GR4jTpewYIF4S+nHr48yND47TRA4fQ= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([84.171.157.188]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mof5H-1hyor00LQP-00p8Mm; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:17:11 +0100 To: Michael Richardson , RFC Interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <31038.1575916189@localhost> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:17:03 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <31038.1575916189@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:e63k5nIWgcka3BR31dYwsOuyNpzMyCsO7Q9tpEqDfHaPsvy0CcI cu6Y21lFZfcy7/vvHO8NvtughFpZ0TsocMY2J6m2EYUkxnI+NF8G31GyAfxSyh4LbE7efFV i7eWml2XFpJCpxMphe2dy5cku+oh6jMpdnnLvjr4vLSBh8RuYCjtrx98Tm0mYjs1kY6j95U qufHQ8/hgyt1BzlBjS1HQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:2jv7Ig5g1VY=:bWNeDGzzQT+hbXjDU/dZ4E +HKcR2caMptkYB7yrhCz8hwVMnOzBegA/gllWKY2Elp/81fCSa4NZrihZnqdUl7j2zzoSb58i S9FaA/c/zI/Xq7X77UsjsMWkd97YtCaK2TcBLSkRgK3Q7+u59HyQOKuI8scaIchSyiKELM0sd lim3rWmHJSG1b/Bba78yKtdoO+iFtNlxM89cWuuBn1u1K4Q490fyJa6JMlJzqDYR5OWuzw7Mc lQZGOOC25eIcu0NxQ7F6WRIjGjuyeBkVi0oVMff8YjmgZp+lzPMKGirNnT7kki4xTw+do3RoP EgH2U/4MS3rdSBR0AmaTnX8dpqOFDCLgj7tQpjPUP/4JNNtBeYSuA0tO647OsaFlIWpZNB0Jw 1V3nayUZ4mdYP19ELEO1aqhzYppKx5MZtM2rlWLiVhXzPEfEPqzBnBQS0FazlCaWRkM3s+DDB RrRswVBTqigUKVcN9KHr+uBF5N5a+RyPAMFWTbwfFR5nu0Z0W6apOjfGL9Z2ckrRoJZBQDrXi q0wQw3kJcBhY8XXAo8FOPXSncqPWjUmh+SfXdbaMszLLQhXexSb5Et2vQTg/ILitO2xuukH6/ 3cJdcDLKqZy2fmyOx8P3eu0Fbi8+rkizQ+5111/V3k7ZlNFh+ATfAn8nb2p00wVcAp/LKcyUD Ahg8AUfgvw020xS8FRt5AyPMw+qGivBl3+zpRVVcT5UKpKHKQgH52/0NLBKSEMvpR98zskEeP nXgVc9KqoFhDFRPpTlC+rnwddHu4cOePJ89Gms3RJnQUOwy9WC87N1N2YH5+oQLejIamoDygZ 4HWuAGRyQ/ty3DbBR5hzHI2WQGfjRJLANC4reVmKd69Mj+GnaP+TnsgBg3cnneg1eWW7gGzb0 fwZO3LiLQix3hwUiY3JyttVDgkDWpssJiO9juT7FBGImU1CSo6oFYtAQv+23bmwxzXRt8XYXP J439hcOwm63cmsdkDqZyIEGIcHhSjqZWEi6VtYIqYStCcY8W+WXjs+NUqkmduK+44zyLCu3A0 rYssu48hVfvXhHTyB0I5lNQHNBh/Nt7EhE6NIactFYyW7SB2c2xJpTTFaqoh1NkKETq/A1MgF OXduUSNjgUYPWbUbr1W6LXdaIMAgXbk/0Ie+FNE4p/MnV/bgf9umr52t7Qh+2p8/NdXcf55hI ZZ3F63+AVJbOJYfTPtfNLC8yXWp7D4Id4lVLeAGpxmSjZkymsWqZ1OdPKiSpzlw3f7g9gNT2s CfAY8wen2kb7LzM3RnLs7e38vgqDQcFT7Y1TUQ3Ct3oubeYs1FSgKSeSqqa0= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] handling of Working group label in ietf.org hosted output X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 23:17:20 -0000 On 09.12.2019 19:29, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Due to cargo-culting and copy and paste I have: > > wg: anima Working Group > > in my markdown, which results in: > anima Working Group > > I happened to notice in the HTML output hosted on ietf.org/id/ how promi= nent > this is, and how easily it could be used to confuse people into thinking= my > document had been adopted, when it was still an individual submission. > > Clearly, I should conscientiously put something else there. > 1) what should I put? I think that "independant submission" would make > sense. Just put nothing there. > 2) I think that the result should be driven by the datatracker. > > My suggestion is that the xml2rfc converter have an command line overrid= e for > this element, such that the actual value for Internet-drafts can be driv= en by > the datatracker rather than the author. > > This is not a new problem, btw. I think that it was just wasn't so obvi= ous > in tools.ietf.org, because the included header in the htmlized output ma= de > that WG label a lot less obvious. The formatter at least could emit a warning if the draft name doesn't match "draft-ietf-*". Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon Dec 9 15:18:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91161200FB for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 15:18:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qAniFjO7PJDb for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 15:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA2D21200F6 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 15:18:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1575933497; bh=qes60LJb/rd/NCoiWNi/vJqxNFnP6ZU6MPPZ/bodU4k=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=R7bpJC590BHoXfPL2DnXdoGKjBq72eh9eGPnhA56wOSekW8QYYJW18+cjRifada9x QggeUMnsR29I7TD/1sfEhsXze0r6R0zYHX3tPa9tqV8zKpSPCrY7jx58+iBy6SPIBG ZSvfCbW1QvChDf/pew2+EjhUYF+nV86ThahZsHL0= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([84.171.157.188]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MYeQr-1iI84Z3CQF-00VeTl; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:18:16 +0100 To: Carsten Bormann , Michael Richardson Cc: RFC Interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <31038.1575916189@localhost> <2C2F75BC-5467-4D69-A61C-02B90DF8218A@tzi.org> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <130a2823-a081-b17b-7d3e-7d9e354c7f9b@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:18:09 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2C2F75BC-5467-4D69-A61C-02B90DF8218A@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:bP4EcODRfKWXjyt1DsY5SVtAY7/WcwlSV0oTCdRlJ6tqfWJ565S L4BsAhAhihfz2Ix8CUZnQP6HwzwMVs2P3JHq4rAZmquqKtgGjF++af3rNhF6zhFwSUuYcLl zRH/NjFR6gWlyZmjprBeGLmcDwovfF5JVnQB+fGcwUX35+I/9tB9MvAUW/FtuIhcdddCVkN fJUnXqy2sN3UUBsW31lpA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ZczRM8fPkGc=:YuLuuX/3UpWg0H5f67kL+Z QmzEP+0zG+E8FaoP8QfaEVEcQzKhTmlXW7wYVwrwTAE3CGfFd2PRVXb2+SkoVyhxX2dJRU7Ik WVdDErjUUmG6BQVQcMhArc8bR1KBtK0bBDnFxqqY0DgcQ4fmJyhKPzA8dOk4U6U69t6Ec0TWb QO1MxsBzhCpBPiOKew5KSOvSXiVTWKP8T5B/LAEul+wnl5EqEecNF67jR7mOrfzays2947dYj TXXvMa0afMJjX1ddOycNdyS8a1XCNI+o+s8cG1XKfrrNcxDQaGsF+QoIJg48YU8olknLQloSP n0xB2Im9TOTAGiqE97vw6zA6Y+7BXm59h9UpHXvzdsuuskTX68kdOJQgcBZORA0U1dQdU6vBN c+aVxhjgCT9hn58Zyd3D5JVvBUDC2QTcUtmozPGnmAYyKGq1wJ0x8mPVcXSJdqV5WU1+Fzd99 l3BSTITAST6w0MuEZxPOBLsQXz9gV6K2mxf3Gcd0U9S7KBZhgsFk3SliW0EukB0mGgNLJ5TIn D9Vm0rpSfnaa0NfQKJzzDZPV+GYWDoo81YKprWVLwsNFUqcGFS7xYubbdsOQpmpC7rqHXibCT /DP0AilxTWVM3qvtqtr/khSaGI+aFjCdDTUFv72SAqyNqS7+4pwJZt0fFRoV1cmXY8d99wycF 9BmoAy0lehRQH3+IV6qxpFxq+oCa6FQF5oJZ5RQ08FOKmUdpjPedZfBMf3Kq5ZzxR0CrUZBlv 2LkoyhZ3r9yt4w2wh/9JTgH7ss717ijh7kTj05iimNaLOAd9ttwOEbK/Ek/cNI6fKW9V8ttmU rWbewWLa3D17BeP/igYFRBV1YGX7g2ABjFajthrOv2R5xwtKLKq8/bY6iouxHib8ghVAVEXqF YDqMTHJ2HlaDGmVTT+pVctJSgXVciIZn43tn2KnMEGu1tkde9RgHATuL0oIePyB96vp2FBz8p akhpPz9ygNkMvv/UqGSzUXrRYAr0eNbXikXksQyTNIv4fKU8r+3er1KTHr3041pdmiCNJyEFq 3zuddzAHTytoGuHgM3oNtci7XzzuWHVMZ5/B1TSAiVJDXe7raa9alym7ruOwq8vx9pMIZUrCp +oZjsySm1/3DkP4CqITp8+JttP4k7qd86i/2z6TiAYt2w598Xvj7nMoltPE5J/xePxiDBlHVL CFeSE/jd9QHdGbfXnCRnNXcWvGWV8zPcRhRGySheA2VHULpD2wCy+7OEvf1Qar+OvCYPSFVhJ 3c792gAH98l2h2kggOpHwoIoGVrVajLyKP0KNhgpg0XQMGAexTfiEIxCKWo0= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] handling of Working group label in ietf.org hosted output X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 23:18:34 -0000 On 09.12.2019 20:20, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Dec 9, 2019, at 19:29, Michael Richardson wro= te: >> >> 1) what should I put? I think that "independant submission" would make >> sense. > > RFC 7991 says: > > This element is used to specify the Working Group (IETF) or Research > Group (IRTF) from which the document originates, if any. The > recommended format is the official name of the Working Group (with > some capitalization). > > Clearly, your submission to ANIMA did not originate from the WG, so just= writing =E2=80=9Canima=E2=80=9D is not right, as you say. People still l= ike to indicate the target for an individual submission, so =E2=80=9CSubmi= ssion to the anima working group=E2=80=9D would work for me. (I too often= see documents where I have no idea where they are discussed. Adding an e= ditor=E2=80=99s note for that is a good way to provide that information, b= ut a workgroup element sounds like a minimal way to cover this.) > > The confusion is similar to the =E2=80=9Cintended status=E2=80=9D confus= ion: When I=E2=80=99m writing a submission for the standards track, it is = not yet on the standards track, but I=E2=80=99ll still indicate that I wan= t it to be. So I=E2=80=99m likely write > > wg: LWIG Working Group > > in my submission to the LWIG WG about 7228bis, even before it is adopted= . > > BTW, > > Formatting software can append the words "Working Group" or "Researc= h > Group", depending on the "submissionType" property of the > element (Section 2.45.12). > > I don=E2=80=99t think that this happens, so you seem to get free reign t= o influence what goes into the first line of the I-D. Maybe xml2rfc shoul= d instead put in =E2=80=9CIntended working group:=E2=80=9D as it does for = =E2=80=9CIntended status:=E2=80=9D? > ... rfc2629.xslt appends "Working Group" when the specified string does not already contain it. Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Dec 10 01:07:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1547B12083D for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 01:07:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 59ObZ38aT0OW for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 01:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A44A8120837 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 01:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:60663 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iebUh-0005UB-6J; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 01:07:47 -0800 To: Carsten Bormann , Michael Richardson References: <31038.1575916189@localhost> <2C2F75BC-5467-4D69-A61C-02B90DF8218A@tzi.org> Cc: RFC Interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <16514399-a482-78b9-f3b5-9c3e3a761334@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 10:07:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2C2F75BC-5467-4D69-A61C-02B90DF8218A@tzi.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KAPfGVO4VNpked1AxNG11cvWOQ23LHLWv" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, cabo@tzi.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] handling of Working group label in ietf.org hosted output X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:07:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --KAPfGVO4VNpked1AxNG11cvWOQ23LHLWv Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="eacxAu6qqgV1vL91NmAdplEHsOjKgT1Lw"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Carsten Bormann , Michael Richardson Cc: RFC Interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <16514399-a482-78b9-f3b5-9c3e3a761334@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [rfc-i] [Tools-discuss] handling of Working group label in ietf.org hosted output References: <31038.1575916189@localhost> <2C2F75BC-5467-4D69-A61C-02B90DF8218A@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <2C2F75BC-5467-4D69-A61C-02B90DF8218A@tzi.org> --eacxAu6qqgV1vL91NmAdplEHsOjKgT1Lw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2019-12-09 20:20, Carsten Bormann wrote: > I don=E2=80=99t think that this happens, so you seem to get free reign = to > influence what goes into the first line of the I-D. Maybe xml2rfc > should instead put in =E2=80=9CIntended working group:=E2=80=9D as it d= oes for > =E2=80=9CIntended status:=E2=80=9D? That seems reasonable, but requires submissionType to be set correctly. If you'll be kind enough to enter a ticket, I'll fix that when there is time and there aren't RPC tickets that needs handling. Regards, Henrik --eacxAu6qqgV1vL91NmAdplEHsOjKgT1Lw-- --KAPfGVO4VNpked1AxNG11cvWOQ23LHLWv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAl3vYFsACgkQTptXS4+7 FxqvXxAAlVSPO9V6CWRtPR2RwqBCJcqF2jJLqGMlpRDtQOTBOy5FzhUtap20Bamp lflZqLjArnqeLoYQDxE7B6KbI0A2r2J3Es4sHNDmHH8qslrZjrAJKheR/sb0XmEL NS0tm7WJXRN9EMNYGvztiYHMrr7HkHUM9jmun/gAqKvoNhrZ/kmZphQE4MnQC1/d 2c6TsTw/enjslEfJjYSPwDOfmhMm4G/Gdn3CAN+r3Hf2owCUdgBODKVVo4nGgmrX MJfdiIVyYRS2w+Fl/I+vp/f9HkMdhJKcw8f3o7Qf9T8lBhDA17AT1Io3Ovt2Mju4 OHfcPynbASbmaFnZaqsLF4qjaBVqc0IwvSXPFw2DfB7LkAV0zxFuthdNbU3n9aQ6 drcjkY+ITE4zu/Y8MgriqfwLbnDlKXzUFI/WxdBmuqbE98x1hSdnrIZbV45eOqWH YCw6zEQ/AyJfkHsJkpELdb96DiwLefNo1RLIGF5XhtYTxZdr+n6ouZUp/U6c96NO AR4aDTKSkSwnSz4NsV7nBJ7X55mV4xuSwNMUwh9FeKQIGjgcRTvoWr5stvW+1aya g7+d6j3nAfTphtYB7XR3L1UPU8PniOqxHZDbv+owqMO2MbvidPLbG2asdIVHInvk cnqS1jszNjgOjWY6bjDJNd1x8YtUpwsfo+jOWQOIMGAabP36e88= =DmjR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KAPfGVO4VNpked1AxNG11cvWOQ23LHLWv-- From nobody Tue Dec 10 02:09:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9570512087A for ; 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Maybe xml2rfc >> should instead put in =E2=80=9CIntended working group:=E2=80=9D as it d= oes for >> =E2=80=9CIntended status:=E2=80=9D? Potentially. There really should be an equivalent of the RFC Style Guide that applies to Internet Drafts which would tell us what the right thing i= s. My understanding of the current "best practice" is: - work group name if it's a WG submission - "Network Working Group" otherwise (yes, history...) AFAIK, this is what tools have produced until now. > That seems reasonable, but requires submissionType to be set correctly. > ... No. submissionType is about document streams (so it's really only relevant once something is published as RFC), not type of I-D submissions. See . We *could* extend it for other uses, but let's do this carefully. Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Dec 10 08:23:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E4312080E for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:23:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4sW2bCGTBYIQ for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:23:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2BA71202DD for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8C93897B; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 11:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C2568B; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 11:23:00 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Julian Reschke cc: RFC Interest , tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <31038.1575916189@localhost> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] handling of Working group label in ietf.org hosted output X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:23:10 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Julian Reschke wrote: >> Due to cargo-culting and copy and paste I have: >> >> wg: anima Working Group >> >> in my markdown, which results in: >> anima Working Group >> >> I happened to notice in the HTML output hosted on ietf.org/id/ how prominent >> this is, and how easily it could be used to confuse people into thinking my >> document had been adopted, when it was still an individual submission. >> >> Clearly, I should conscientiously put something else there. >> 1) what should I put? I think that "independant submission" would make >> sense. > Just put nothing there. I agree that this would be better. >> 2) I think that the result should be driven by the datatracker. >> >> My suggestion is that the xml2rfc converter have an command line override for >> this element, such that the actual value for Internet-drafts can be driven by >> the datatracker rather than the author. >> >> This is not a new problem, btw. I think that it was just wasn't so obvious >> in tools.ietf.org, because the included header in the htmlized output made >> that WG label a lot less obvious. > The formatter at least could emit a warning if the draft name doesn't > match "draft-ietf-*". That feels too specific to our current process. I'd prefer being able to override elements from the command line, as then the datatracker could push some text in that made sense. Would we want to put the document state in and even reformat Internet-Drafts? IDs are not RFCs, we can revise/reformat them. We have ETAG and Expires to help us :-) -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl3vxmQACgkQgItw+93Q 3WU8Iwf6AmXwmZHbXAYaiDLyXzRLAF4AMUrYUsOkUdC10RAVwj3HoaWKxM0ZedpT Q1wAFiSr7/vX8iE0BnYGorutp9epzzupGuTFDPsXh6Hl1HQumhmhGFbuRv8hQlZa o4LDkgkOKWU3Eszsx3kPnaOucs16jsb2dnEAkbjOezAfkZs+eBL61Ag/YASzz7yT /rwHtJ70k7S11N6gH/f9iwvNehd2AP6pHLsd00TkFCBU1nVdQJ2fRSbmHdOe/UQ1 Tsppf5YNwrvwGD2Owyj0XVPuvdYNuH0NS1MnT4vzjbmST2w0fri1O7M+atBkTrDV aiKqAEQo0U9EpScHSBd7LvjYCbxRqQ== =hwSy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Dec 10 12:57:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FAE5120104 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:57:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f2XKJZ4jPurf for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:57:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 021B5120025 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:57:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA87300B23 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:57:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id MC5FXqHQoHUF for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-108-51-198-163.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.198.163]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5954E3001D6 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:57:51 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:57:52 -0500 To: Tools Team Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Tools call schedule for 2020 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 20:57:56 -0000 Here is the tools call schedule for 2020: January 14 February 11 March 17 April 14 May 12 June 9 July 14 (Skip August) September 8 October 13 November 3 December 8 The WebEx information and the time slot remain the same. JOIN WEBEX MEETING https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m440dd848726339c03e605b9956e38bac Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 Meeting password: tools JOIN BY PHONE 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 Meeting password: tools Russ From nobody Thu Dec 19 23:14:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CCB120129 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 23:14:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yS9pX6oCD65n for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 23:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3871212006E for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 23:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from client-0160.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-0160.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.160]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47fKjm67lrz16rB; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 08:14:04 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <9898.1574329972@dooku.sandelman.ca> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 08:14:04 +0100 Cc: Michael Richardson X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 598518842.351558-5dc9a3962666384bf4dc680ba945552a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20191121040335.A47AD120944@ietfa.amsl.com> <253406B7-7911-4971-9ED5-D836606D3B6A@tzi.org> <9898.1574329972@dooku.sandelman.ca> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] SPF rejection of mail to chairs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:14:07 -0000 On Nov 21, 2019, at 10:52, Michael Richardson = wrote: >=20 >> Is there a need for the DMARC hack for the chair aliases, too? >=20 > Oh crap, yes we do. > and on all of the Internet-draft author lists. Just fell into the trap again (on a draft=E2=80=A6@ietf.org alias). Where do I need to report this bug to so it gets addressed? Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Fri Dec 20 08:16:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094EB120804 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 08:16:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zxHbEODsq9Yb for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 08:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41EC312016E for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 08:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.30.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id xBKGG4NS054718 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:16:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1576858566; bh=Mnglp3BzoyLe3Kg9czVjzRWMzCFvNzJMkiCnova1YT0=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=cj4Yf29SSwCQW0MsZMHfU6X1JO7TBXaWuloY/TJwpYbKr2vtxtb/DANWC6l4GvhjK qX6206UT9R8ZsJjzCXRYFRRQtt1EJq4J8DrEjZ698XkjFhnU5ku3QJXeo4GFBlke+e pL72LlMWjAomjmZDNKOjLl9wQKEx5ZwuFFqM/CR0= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.30.41] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss@ietf.org Cc: Michael Richardson References: <20191121040335.A47AD120944@ietfa.amsl.com> <253406B7-7911-4971-9ED5-D836606D3B6A@tzi.org> <9898.1574329972@dooku.sandelman.ca> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <96dbab15-2b11-4114-8ad0-690047430d68@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:16:04 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] SPF rejection of mail to chairs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 16:16:09 -0000 Hi Carsten - We're aware of this problem. Unfortunately there is not any quick fix for it. The path through the mail processing chain for the aliases is very different than the path for the mailing lists, and the way we are applying the current workaround isn't applicable there. We are discussing what we can do instead. RjS On 12/20/19 1:14 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Nov 21, 2019, at 10:52, Michael Richardson wrote: >>> Is there a need for the DMARC hack for the chair aliases, too? >> Oh crap, yes we do. >> and on all of the Internet-draft author lists. > Just fell into the trap again (on a draft…@ietf.org alias). > > Where do I need to report this bug to so it gets addressed? > > Grüße, Carsten > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Fri Dec 20 09:33:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8771120856 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 09:33:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Vf0IbdOmIvp for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 09:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79C3E12084D for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 09:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from client-0217.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-0217.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.217]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47fbRw5sQrzyjd; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:33:00 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <96dbab15-2b11-4114-8ad0-690047430d68@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 18:33:00 +0100 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, Michael Richardson X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 598555978.0921251-5a5131149d2ad4a5e1e3d8e27fa71500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20191121040335.A47AD120944@ietfa.amsl.com> <253406B7-7911-4971-9ED5-D836606D3B6A@tzi.org> <9898.1574329972@dooku.sandelman.ca> <96dbab15-2b11-4114-8ad0-690047430d68@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] SPF rejection of mail to chairs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 17:33:05 -0000 Hi Robert, > On Dec 20, 2019, at 17:16, Robert Sparks wrote: >=20 > Hi Carsten - >=20 > We're aware of this problem. Unfortunately there is not any quick fix = for it. >=20 > The path through the mail processing chain for the aliases is very = different than the path for the mailing lists, and the way we are = applying the current workaround isn't applicable there. I suspected so. A lot of our processes are set up to make use of the aliases, so in the = end this creates (hidden-terminal like) problems for these as well. I=E2=80=99m not sure the majority of mail servers are set up to report = SPF failures as delivery status, so I=E2=80=99m not even sure I know the = extent of this problem. (So far, I have often resorted to the = explanation that some people are too lazy to read my mail, but maybe SPF = vs. forwarding is the real problem.) > We are discussing what we can do instead. I wonder if there is a way to stay informed about the progress of issues = like this (that are not naturally rooted in the issue tracker of some = piece of software). I mostly brought this up again on the list because = I have no visibility. (I also need a better workaround. I wonder if I need to move to sending = IETF mail from a mail account with a ~all SPF setting, like it=E2=80=99s = 2014 again=E2=80=A6 Maybe I can just manually set my =46rom address to = cabo=3D40tzi.org@dmarc.ietf.org?) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_node_problem >=20 > RjS >=20 > On 12/20/19 1:14 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> On Nov 21, 2019, at 10:52, Michael Richardson = wrote: >>>> Is there a need for the DMARC hack for the chair aliases, too? >>> Oh crap, yes we do. >>> and on all of the Internet-draft author lists. >> Just fell into the trap again (on a draft=E2=80=A6@ietf.org alias). >>=20 >> Where do I need to report this bug to so it gets addressed? >>=20 >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >>=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>=20 >> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org >> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb >> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >>=20 >> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at >> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues >> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Fri Dec 20 13:12:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C471208BB for ; 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boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] smooth draft submission and nice modern tooling X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 21:12:44 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain hi all-- I just submitted draft draft-autocrypt-lamps-protected-headers-02 via the datatracker's document submission web interface, and was surprised that i did not get the usual confirmation e-mail. Instead, the document was just published directly. Perhaps this happened because i was logged into the web interface? i confess i don't know whether i'm typically logged in or not when i submit drafts, but previous submissions have required me to do an e-mail confirmation. Anyway, the draft submission process was very smooth, and the resultant HTML version at https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-autocrypt-lamps-protected-headers-02.html looks quite handsome and functional, for two specific reasons: - The draft includes a dozen test vectors, which in some cases are fairly lengthy RFC822 messages. They would otherwise have a page break in the middle of them, but they're clean and contiguous in this representation. - Non-ASCII unicode lets me draw very nice-looking MIME structure diagrams, identifying different parts of the MIME structure, and indicating decryption and unwrapping as well. Thanks for all the maintenance work that has gone into making this process as nice as it is today! --dkg --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYIAB0WIQTJDm02IAobkioVCed2GBllKa5f+AUCXf05QgAKCRB2GBllKa5f +GbZAP9lbFr0b715fj8/TSw0MxxP8pjh8HQ0TUgpAY/XbnAlmAEA6542CzwpYARn cEnIpCHOFlmh7nnYW/ZtNuEXctbK9Ak= =VNrX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Fri Dec 20 13:47:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DDC1208C8 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 13:47:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BJGIGiN4024h for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 13:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A63731208C5 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 13:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:53189 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iiQ7Q-0006Av-1f; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 13:47:32 -0800 To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <87tv5uaegt.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <8920b1ad-6ecc-fbe3-638f-c60fafed3d3d@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 22:47:24 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87tv5uaegt.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uhvUlM88DSSUSE80wQgvCvOBHaMpx4qWD" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, dkg@fifthhorseman.net X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] smooth draft submission and nice modern tooling X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 21:47:35 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --uhvUlM88DSSUSE80wQgvCvOBHaMpx4qWD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Oj4FLPX10uh3EttJUGdxRjjtim6Do53J1"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <8920b1ad-6ecc-fbe3-638f-c60fafed3d3d@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] smooth draft submission and nice modern tooling References: <87tv5uaegt.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> In-Reply-To: <87tv5uaegt.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> --Oj4FLPX10uh3EttJUGdxRjjtim6Do53J1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019-12-20 22:12, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > hi all-- >=20 > I just submitted draft draft-autocrypt-lamps-protected-headers-02 via > the datatracker's document submission web interface, and was surprised > that i did not get the usual confirmation e-mail. Instead, the documen= t > was just published directly. >=20 > Perhaps this happened because i was logged into the web interface? Yup. That was a change in 6.103.0 of September 26th: https://datatracker.ietf.org/release/6.103.0/ > i > confess i don't know whether i'm typically logged in or not when i > submit drafts, but previous submissions have required me to do an e-mai= l > confirmation. >=20 > Anyway, the draft submission process was very smooth, and the resultant= > HTML version at > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-autocrypt-lamps-protected-headers-02.html= > looks quite handsome and functional, for two specific reasons: >=20 > - The draft includes a dozen test vectors, which in some cases are > fairly lengthy RFC822 messages. They would otherwise have a page > break in the middle of them, but they're clean and contiguous in thi= s > representation. >=20 > - Non-ASCII unicode lets me draw very nice-looking MIME structure > diagrams, identifying different parts of the MIME structure, and > indicating decryption and unwrapping as well. >=20 > Thanks for all the maintenance work that has gone into making this > process as nice as it is today! Glad to hear this, on all counts :-) Henrik --Oj4FLPX10uh3EttJUGdxRjjtim6Do53J1-- --uhvUlM88DSSUSE80wQgvCvOBHaMpx4qWD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAl39QWwACgkQTptXS4+7 FxqJFRAAxM+tVa6je3axkrGQB8OqoDJoR9ucsgAHtZoVFTtOPllxOdggJ2coHJWh CREn+w55TPIUGjT7UUfVZ5dRWlN2fuTq8rYH+l5qyZQqLi61MdhUhY5C+OgHdtE9 TmxXctTYaVktypmV9Tt3OIBS1LMQO3rg3EltJ72oAY4C452YFrvOifPv0Ayq4G8e 3WgDBuOI0KWZFLHk8pDwBIVsCbXQDeLrxqcZjNVGTpPzhOu96dIGba736Zzv0220 2gw4Q5xCWFBkE9DYs1Cy8UhuUdgOBAbLIEH7BQRo/WDgXELw2A5r7+JhxgvQEGhX efm64kw4O2OXm7pnNy+ettc6ayPsIiCi9Za0zKEWbP6jJGPS7EaKJmHDu8jc0a9d RQVCbz8dwTIqpLhUPFIlMRtdsdAyCQpwWNM+7rlEmcDa/00zJCyHKNFJk0TG7tvS CSJy8ni4B3FtAVLlqFqWvpkvwWP2Q2aQWM7mes+/sPtywhpn2h5fSdEwrU/idgjY wxid+KQ9JaJVR1uYVxrxY5UIhtILinjsU48j2VnzREujIQfZM4VywymH2cTZ82Ls /VCtfO9GACuLRSx3xBfjRFB3fwJgEkiMjk8rvlcBBkVsZj3mZPC+RvTkVvb1RVnF IEhvuTh0qcMe5t5lbMy2LHNS8tYTKYEpS7dzQ43+XpiHUKmFYUA= =iuiu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uhvUlM88DSSUSE80wQgvCvOBHaMpx4qWD-- From nobody Tue Dec 31 12:14:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D11A120046 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:14:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QLwhYufUXX6G for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:14:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B76212001E for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 12:14:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E937C38981 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 15:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560FA3FE for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 15:14:56 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] moving/marking rfcdiff to not get cached by cloudflare X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 20:14:59 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain I construct URLs for rfcdiff, pointing it to my formatted txt file on github, against my DT -XX.txt file. This is now being cached, I assume by cloudflare. Being able to Shift-Reload on the tab to validate the changes is really useful. I wonder if we can someone how mark the results as uncacheable? Or move rfcdiff to another name which isn't cached? or...? -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl4LrEAACgkQgItw+93Q 3WW4gAf/VcSoqUKRetlWAXIMrWVmuA6QHTwdo/vX7yi0aAiGa/dymrII0ec+n3fu 73iNQv3scPOTpzBC9L2AjYwGt1VP5IB+iPehcnj2+P3hEHwgapsEGDsD2etxedhh 6nmVTmCqe5/SkubtW99djTx8GiJahaIENaQd1uUBLpUfWUd3LbpJxJTp5yKydElv 3VzY5xIaInxsxDO37/wXoaVYC+TZQH1ajKiPM2S0EnV5iCQlcZ1cCk6xOJCnJa8l gGGhOVEPMtoLdyhKikh5Nx5YZ9fRfAgFwZTnXQgVA1QEQbD7C4VPxFVXco1y5QrT fx6LlnEVBWNF0KQr7tAP+OClirBKMQ== =eRrW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--