From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 09 18:55:36 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EZzmy-0000EQ-BX; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:55:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EZzmw-0000EK-F5 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:55:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA19084 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ea030-0006Zr-6G for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:12:13 -0500 Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EZzme-0004jj-A9 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:55:16 -0500 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 0700613744; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:54:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:54:58 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: tools-team@ietf.org Message-ID: <20051109235457.GB10907@libertyrms.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@libertyrms.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6fc5b1c74c5bed09a3a9da2884900dec Subject: [Tools-team] web site items X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi all, Since I seem to be having no luck running into folks while I'm here in Vancouver, I thought I'd better put this to the list. (That's no dig at others -- it's a reflection of my relative cluelessness in this area.) I've had some trouble with my test server for this, so I don't have a live site up to look at; but I don't think it matters, since we've concluded that (1) we're not going to do much in the way of dynamic presentation and (2) the paid staff will actually be implementing this, and all we're offering is guidelines. So the guidelines are these: We have at least directories for "about", "activities", something for graphics (I picked "images", but the names are not important), and "other sites". Under the "activities" one we'll need some further subdirectories for RFCs and meetings. The general idea here is to separate out anything that is likely to have a lot of files, so that it is possible to manage this. The top-level directory should contain only top-level stuff. Every directory has a menu file that is server-side included on every page in that subdirectory. That actually corresponds to the "leftmenu" div (which is where it gets included). Adding a new set of files to a setion of the site is merely a matter of creating the files and adding a menu ite in the menu file (this makes rsync and suchlike mirroring cheap, because most files don't actually change when the menu changes, although the HTTP-presented files of course do all change). Every menu except the top one includes a "Home" link which takes you back to the top level. That way, getting to another subsection is trivial. You can also go there by going to the relevant section link in the left-hand menu. In the enclosed example, I haven't done anything about the server side includes (because you really need apache working correctly and configured to do that), so do't look for it. I still think this gets the idea across. In here, the top-level page, the Activities index page, the Activities/RFC page, and the About pages work (and anything that does't refer to an outside site does not). You just unpack the whole directory example_pages, and then follow the relevant (aforementioned) links around starting by opening the file activities/index.html. Sorry this is so incredibly stupid, but since I'm in Vancouver, I can't fix the (hardware failed) box in my office at home. As near as I can tell, this works for any reasonably recent browser (including, in what I think is a functional way, lynx, w3m, and links). I don't really have much access to IE, though, so people might want to quibble with the implementation. Since implementation is officially Not Our Problem, I'm not worrying about that. Note that this approach _does_ impose on the paid staff a certain amount of overhead in maintaining the site. It would probably be a very good thing to create a maintainer's manual for any new actual site before it goes live (I'd like to see that as a hard requirement, actually), because otherwise the usability troubles that have gradually emerged on the current site will likely show up again in the future (my diagnosis is that the complaints people have are mostly "can't find X" ones as opposed to "X does not exist": the latter is how it's phrased, but is almost always false, reducing it to the former). I hope this is what people were looking for. Let me know. If you want to discuss this, I'll be here in Vancouver through early afternoon tomorrow, after which I have to get on a plane. Email is good, although I've had sort of spotty network success -- might be better, since that will almost certainy reach me on my phone-pda thing. I'm also available by telephone: +1 416 731 1261 is my mobile; and I'll be around, of course, in various sessions. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Here are the minutes from today's meeting. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 0. Present: Alex, Andrew, Bill 1. Agenda bashing Nothing 2. Miscellaneous: * Alex submitted a new version of the draft-ietf-tools-draft-info draft before the IETF, awaiting comments. * Web site update topics: Andrew sent out another draft & suggestion, and is waiting for either feedback or for the Neustar deal to complete to see what resources can be given to the implementation. Andrew's hoping to get his server back online so he can do a demo of the whole iste. Bill and Andrew discussed various issues, including the usefulness of a CMS, but given the requirement for simplicity, agreed that perhaps this could be a seperate site. 3. 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Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 16 14:23:04 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcSs4-00071T-JE; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:23:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcSs3-00070o-Qd for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:23:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA18729 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.180]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcT9Y-0005PG-9I for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:41:08 -0500 Received: by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 45EC138020; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:22:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5792437EB8; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:22:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403D737E46; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:22:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EcSrl-0004zc-1b; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:22:45 +0100 Message-ID: <437B86FD.8020004@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:22:37 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Fenner Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 16 November Teleconference References: <200511161750.jAGHoQ5o020595@bright.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <200511161750.jAGHoQ5o020595@bright.research.att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 37af5f8fbf6f013c5b771388e24b09e7 Cc: Tools Team X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1541066418==" Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1541066418== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig18EFECA0E79F08B26F364169" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig18EFECA0E79F08B26F364169 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I'm sorry I missed the call - I'm totally befuddled by jet-lag, and had lost track of the days :-( I saw Alex' draft appear, but didn't have time to read it before the meeting. Will do so now. I also regret missing Andrew at the meeting. Looking forward to having a look at a demo. Andrew, if you see problems getting your server on- line, we can put the demo up on the tools server. If you'll send me your public SSH key, I'll create an SSH-accessible account for you. For Jeroen - I'm afraid the untimely ISP problems that popped up less than 24 hours after I had left home left one of the two tools servers off line for the whole week. I know you had planned to work on the event notification tool over the weekend, but of course you could reach the server just as little as I could from Vancouver :-( A modem re-set fixed this once I got home, but I'll be getting a third server in place relatively soon, placed in one of the Swedish ISP interconnection hubs, which I think we'll use as the master server - that should make things like this less likely to happen in the future. For my own work, I've progressed with the XML event and statistics work to the point where I have about 20000 events in XML form, covering the last 3 years (incompletely), and I can produce Queue depth and average age of items in queue over time, for the -00 to published RFC queue. Next is to put more graphs in place, provide for drill-down capability, and refine it to something that can be used online. The next teleconference is confirmed to be Wednesday November 30th. Thanks all, Henrik on 2005-11-16 18:50 Bill Fenner said the following: > Hi, > > Here are the minutes from today's meeting. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 0. Present: Alex, Andrew, Bill > > 1. Agenda bashing > > Nothing > > 2. Miscellaneous: > > * Alex submitted a new version of the draft-ietf-tools-draft-info > draft before the IETF, awaiting comments. > > * Web site update topics: > > Andrew sent out another draft & suggestion, and is waiting > for either feedback or for the Neustar deal to complete to > see what resources can be given to the implementation. > > Andrew's hoping to get his server back online so he can > do a demo of the whole iste. > > Bill and Andrew discussed various issues, including the > usefulness of a CMS, but given the requirement for > simplicity, agreed that perhaps this could be a seperate > site. > > 3. Next meeting: > > I expect Teleconference Wednesday 30 Nov, 17:00 GMT (same local time > as today). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Connection details: > > To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. > > One can also join the call by dialling: > sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu > on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. > > If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference > system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to > https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 > and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-team mailing list > Tools-team@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team > --------------enig18EFECA0E79F08B26F364169 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDe4cEeVhrtTJkXCMRAnUBAKDZFfWGkpXhdC3oF+ugxmu0pNLd6ACgjEEx 1hKXGfcbFY2hf4j+XEn3vJU= =NC03 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig18EFECA0E79F08B26F364169-- --===============1541066418== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team --===============1541066418==-- From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 16 14:57:47 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcTPf-0006sG-KQ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:57:47 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EcTPd-0006ry-IC for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:57:45 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20406 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcTh8-0006VP-AZ for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:15:50 -0500 Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EcTPS-0006Kq-5Y for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:57:34 -0500 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 03BD213744; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:57:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:57:33 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: tools-team@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 16 November Teleconference Message-ID: <20051116195733.GG2439@libertyrms.info> References: <200511161750.jAGHoQ5o020595@bright.research.att.com> <437B86FD.8020004@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <437B86FD.8020004@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@libertyrms.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 08:22:37PM +0100, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > > I also regret missing Andrew at the meeting. Looking forward to having Me too. I'm not sure how I managed to miss everyone, but it could be my relative inexperience in connecting with folks at these meetings. > a look at a demo. Andrew, if you see problems getting your server on- > line, we can put the demo up on the tools server. If you'll send me > your public SSH key, I'll create an SSH-accessible account for you. That might be a good idea, actually -- that way, the probable complaint that someone will have, that this is yet another thing that ought to be on an "official" ietf server but isn't, won't be open to people. I'll mail my pubkey to you. A ---- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x4110 _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 17 17:02:17 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecrph-00057S-Gw; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:02:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ecrpg-00054R-48 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:02:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA28915 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.20.225.112] (helo=mail-yellow.research.att.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ecs7N-0004OM-Ri for tools-team@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:20:35 -0500 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395CE147BE9 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.12.11/8.12.10/Submit) id jAHM26lf027898; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:02:06 -0800 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200511172202.jAHM26lf027898@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: Tools Team Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 16 November Teleconference Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:02:05 -0800 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org BTW, here's a pointer to the hCalendar microformat. that I mentioned on the call. It's woefully incomplete, e.g., timezone support is completely different than iCalendar's, ignoring the statemeng on the page below that "the hCalendar format [...] is a 1:1 representation of the [...] iCalendar standard". Bill http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 10:03:28 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhTUW-0001J1-R4; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:03:28 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhTUW-0001Io-66 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:03:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA27547 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhTol-0006Dh-Rq for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:24:27 -0500 Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 496BD38130; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:02:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231FB38080 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:02:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2CD37E51 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:02:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EhTU2-00087x-T9 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:02:58 +0100 Message-ID: <438DBF22.9070908@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:02:58 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Agenda for the 30 November Teleconference X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Here is the proposed agenda for today's meeting. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Agenda bashing 2. Comments on the minutes from previous meeting 3. Status review * Event scraping and generation, event xml schema, dashboard - Henrik * Event notification prototype - Jeroen * Draft info draft - Alex / All * Scheduling tool - Donald * IETF Website re-vamp - Andrew 4. Miscellaneous: * IETF-64 talks with Ray, NeuStar, the secretariat * NomCom tool support * Subversion support * Common document access interface 5. Any other business 6. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 14 Dec, 17:00 GMT (same local time as today). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. 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Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 12:44:23 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhW0F-0000c3-RU; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:44:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhW0D-0000as-Ca for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:44:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA16234 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhWKW-0003AY-Ea for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:05:21 -0500 Received: by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 67571382B5; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:44:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421AD37E73 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:44:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3189B37E46 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:44:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EhVzy-0003xH-1g for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:44:06 +0100 Message-ID: <438DE4E5.8060907@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:44:05 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 30 November Teleconference X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Here are some notes from today's meeting. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 0. Present: Henrik, Ray, Bill With only Bill and Henrik present from the team, there was no regular meeting. Some highlights from the conversation, in lieu of meeting minutes: * Bill's dog has now had marked improvement in his ability to open his mouth - up from being able to eat banana pieces of 1/3rd banana thickness to 2/3rd banana thickness. This has happened after he was totally weaned off the medication he had been getting, which happened last week. He's also regained his normal happy disposition - the medication made him markedly anti-social. * The dashboard work is expected to provide some input to the IESG retreat in January. A first reviewable version should be ready in December. * Henrik has made some notes regarding Andrews web-site proposal, and will send those to the list. * Henrik has also made some review notes on Alex' latest draft, will send those to the list, also. * Ray expects to order an IASA-owned tools server today. (Hosting and bandwidth will be provided in and by one of the national internet hubs in Sweden.) 1. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 14 Dec, 17:00 GMT (same local time as today). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 12:57:47 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhWDD-0000Q9-9C; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:57:47 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhWDB-0000Q4-PW for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:57:45 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA18016 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhWXV-0003cC-2D for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:18:46 -0500 Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EhWCt-00030c-5R for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:57:27 -0500 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (ca.afilias.info, from userid 1019) id 378BA13744; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:57:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:57:20 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: tools-team@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 30 November Teleconference Message-ID: <20051130175720.GL28933@dba3> References: <438DE4E5.8060907@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <438DE4E5.8060907@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 06:44:05PM +0100, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi, > > Here are some notes from today's meeting. Hi, Sorry this mail didn't get through earlier -- it seems there was some trouble with mail relaying from inside our local network. Anyway, I'm having to watch the ICANN DNSSEC meeting going on just now (started at noon my time), so I couldn't make this meeting. My apologies. A -- ---- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x4110 _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 13:01:07 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhWGR-00028L-O0; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:01:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhWGQ-00027r-Us for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:01:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18663 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.183]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhWah-0003nr-S8 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:22:07 -0500 Received: by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id CA26038326; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:00:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAC73831D for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:00:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1F437E46 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:00:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EhWGC-0005Tf-HR for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:00:52 +0100 Message-ID: <438DE8D4.8030509@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:00:52 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5ebbf074524e58e662bc8209a6235027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Review of draft-ietf-tools-draft-info-03 X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi Alex, Some comments on the draft: Section 4., para. 6: > WG draft: A draft for which identifier (a.k.a. filename) is known and > starts with "draft-ietf-". [[XXX4: This definition may need to be > changed. In fact, we may be able to simply refer to the "current > IETF definition" here because this document does not care what are > the IETF rules for determining WG drafts! If referring to the > "current IETF definition" is a good idea, what document should we > refer to? Do we have to refer to any specific document? --Alex]] Currently, I'm not sure whether there exist _one_ formal specification of what is a WG draft. I guess we could elevate one of the resources listed below, e.g., [4], to be the authoritative source of this information. Section 6., para. 7: > Addition information such as a link to the "IESG draft discussion" > tracking page, may be available but is outside of this document > scope. Umm - I think we should include this particular piece of information. For workgroup drafts, it's vital for outsiders who wish to comment, and for individual drafts, it's helpful to point to the authors' email addresses. Section 6.2., para. 10: > o "obsoletes X", "renamed to X", or "replaced by X" statements where > "X" is a draft, RFC, or another document. Also "updates X" as for other information, what about : o document retrieval URL ? Section 6.2., para. 13: > [[XXX3: Should we list any fields that are meant-to-be extractable > from the latest draft version? For example: creation date, > expiration date, IPR boilerplate, formal references, required > sections, etc. --Alex]] Hmm. I'd say yes to the datestamp, no to the rest of these... Section 6.2.1., para. 2: > An active or expired draft can be in one or more states related to > IESG review activity. These states are not documented here, but > implementations must provide this information using the current state > list and state definitions maintained by IESG. I think that this is only true for active drafts now. Being under IESG consideration now prevents a draft from expiring. Section 7.2., para. 4: > o nits (Section 7.2.3) Not sure if the nits belong here. They are the result of applying external rules on the draft presentation format, and the external rules may change during the lifetime of a version. Section 7.2.3., para. 3: > [[XXX7: Should nits contain information about the tool that was used > to generate each(?) nit? Including the version of the tool? --Alex]] If nits are included, they should contain tool identifier and tool version, yes. > [[XXX8: Should we standardize nits reporting? At least to the level > of distinguishing warnings from errors? --Alex]] The tool currently explicitly reports an error count and a warning count, so if that's enough, it's already in place for the current tool. Section 7.4., para. 1: > A set of format identifiers (see Section 8.1) representing all > available draft version formats. [[XXX10: Can formats be added or > deleted after the draft is posted? That is, what does "available" > mean here? --Alex]] Humm. I think that the available formats may change. I've been considering doing or getting someone else to do a TXT to XML converter - I think that might be doable - and if it works well, it would be possible to render other formats from the resulting XML. In addition to this, I currently provide html-ified and PDF-ified editions of the text version. Section 8.1., para. 6: > [[XXX9: Should we standardize format IDs or will they depend on the > draft information encoding mechanism? For example, Atom draft event > feeds may use format IDs different from those used by the IETF draft > repository. --Alex]] Humm. To be honest, I'm not sure. Maybe leave that for now. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 13:06:25 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhWLZ-0004T0-9v; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:06:25 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhWLY-0004QD-8p for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:06:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA19884 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:05:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.180]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhWfr-0004F7-EM for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:27:24 -0500 Received: by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 79A653824A; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:06:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6986C38063; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:06:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1181237E42; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:06:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EhWLK-0005mQ-IQ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:06:10 +0100 Message-ID: <438DEA12.5090601@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:06:10 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS , Andrew Sullivan X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [Tools-team] Comments on Andrews proposal for IETF web-site organisation X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi Andrew, A few comments on the web-site proposal - I'm not sure if you feel it's ready for comments, but here go, anyway: * Overall, I think it's a good start. It has a distinct style, very simple but still clearly recognizable, and in line with the few style items which exist on the current site. * The menu items you list seems to be a good selection of entry points. * The comments in the menu (in grey within parentheses) probably should be turned into tooltips instead, leaving more room in the menu for selectable items * I'd propose a new major group between About.. and the activities group: Documents RFCs Drafts Proceedings * "The IETF is an organized activity of the..." should probably be placed in the footer, in a smaller font. * Isn't "Getting Involved" and "How to participate" pretty much the same thing? Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 13:09:21 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhWOP-00063I-8z; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:09:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhWON-00063D-L5 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:09:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA20354 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.184]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhWia-0004OA-Nf for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:30:15 -0500 Received: by av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E7B6838215; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:09:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCEB0381C6; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:09:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C257537E47; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:09:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EhWO6-0005vz-CN; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:09:02 +0100 Message-ID: <438DEABE.6030003@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:09:02 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 30 November Teleconference References: <438DE4E5.8060907@levkowetz.com> <20051130175720.GL28933@dba3> In-Reply-To: <20051130175720.GL28933@dba3> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-team@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi Andrew, on 2005-11-30 18:57 Andrew Sullivan said the following: > Sorry this mail didn't get through earlier -- it seems there was some > trouble with mail relaying from inside our local network. Anyway, > I'm having to watch the ICANN DNSSEC meeting going on just now > (started at noon my time), so I couldn't make this meeting. My > apologies. Ok. You'll let us know if there's some important results from the meeting, then :-) Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 30 14:33:51 2005 Received: from localhost.cnri.reston.va.us ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhXiB-0003SI-Gj; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:33:51 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EhXiA-0003S8-LE for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:33:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA01737 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhY2U-0007uX-L1 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:54:51 -0500 Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1EhXi0-0006NL-BH for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:33:40 -0500 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (ca.afilias.info, from userid 1019) id 628F213744; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:33:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:33:36 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: tools-team@ietf.org Message-ID: <20051130193336.GO28933@dba3> References: <438DEA12.5090601@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <438DEA12.5090601@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Subject: [Tools-team] Re: Comments on Andrews proposal for IETF web-site organisation X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 07:06:10PM +0100, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > > A few comments on the web-site proposal - I'm not sure if you feel it's > ready for comments, but here go, anyway: Sure, better to get them early so that we have a more or less good model for the new maintainers when they take over. > * The comments in the menu (in grey within parentheses) probably should be > turned into tooltips instead, leaving more room in the menu for selectable > items I thought about that. The reason I _didn't_ do that was because of those who aren't using graphical browsers, &c. OTOH, I bet someone visiting the site with lynx or w3m is also someone who doesn't need to know what an IASA is. > * I'd propose a new major group between About.. and the activities group: > > Documents Oh, good one. Will do. > * "The IETF is an organized activity of the..." should probably be placed in > the footer, in a smaller font. Ok. > * Isn't "Getting Involved" and "How to participate" pretty much the > same thing? Yes. I'll remove the second one. I thought I already had. -- ---- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x4110 _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team