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I have also put it up at http://www.imc.org/ietf-usefor/drafts/draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt. I have been working with Henry Spencer on it over the past couple of weeks. The intention it to leave it here for a few days so as to let people on this list spot any nits in it. Then it will be submitted to the RFC-Editor as an Historic RFC which can then be properly referred to from our two main USEFPR and USEPRO documents (which are currently in AUTH 48). >From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt >Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Message-Id: <20090504231502.26B593A70B7@core3.amsl.com> >Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:15:02 -0700 (PDT) --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : "Son of 1036": News Article Format and Transmission Author(s) : H. Spencer Filename : draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt Pages : 91 Date : 2009-5-3 By the early 1990s it had become clear that RFC 1036, the then specification for the Interchange of USENET Messages, was badly in need of repair. This "INTERNET DRAFT to be", though never formally published at that time, was widely circulated and became the de facto standard for implementors of News Servers and User Agents, rapidly acquiring the nickname "Son of 1036". Indeed, under that name, it could fairly be described as the best-known Internet Draft (n)ever published, and it formed the starting point for the recently adopted Proposed Standards for Netnews. It is being published now in order to provide the Historical Background out of which those standards have grown. Present-day implementors should be aware that it is NOT NOW APPROPRIATE for use in current implementations. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-5-4161211.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt --NextPart-- -- Charles H. 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Fri, 8 May 2009 03:05:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n48A51GY017809 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:05:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 20255 invoked by uid 503); 8 May 2009 10:48:59 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail92.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:48:58 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:04:59 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.84.165) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:04:56 -0000 Message-ID: <8C0C14278B2B4DB6963827FA3EECD66E@Iulius> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <200905071318.n47DIB2Q017698@clerew.man.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200905071318.n47DIB2Q017698@clerew.man.ac.uk> Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:02:16 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 272186304513375673 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.84.165 (amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, > http://www.imc.org/ietf-usefor/drafts/draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt. > > The intention it to leave it here for a few days so as to let people on > this list spot any nits in it. Then it will be submitted to the RFC-Editor > as an Historic RFC which can then be properly referred to from our two > main USEFPR and USEPRO documents (which are currently in AUTH 48). Thanks for that work! It is very useful to have such an historic RFC (which defines sendsys, whogets, version, with archaeological notes on A-News, etc.). Besides, "Son of 1036" was a must-have! I do not have much to say. Having skimmed through it, the only nits I see are typos (missing double spaces after full dots in the first two pages -- status of this memo, copyright and abstract). I also see ". [RFC1036]" (p. 5, 16, 32, 58, 76) without a double space and ".([RFC 977]" (page 34) without spaces at all. I also noted in 6.5, page 42 "retrospect, , and". I very probably have missed other things (not having read the whole draft). It is amusing to see in the example 4.7: Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 11:14:55 -0500 (EST) I thought there was a problem but I saw this syntax is valid and defined in "Son of 1036": timezone = "UT" / "GMT" / ( "+" / "-" ) hh mm [ space "(" zone-name ")" ] RFC 2822 (5322) does not allow "-0500 (EST)"; it is directly "(EST)", though obsolete. The part on transmission formats (rnews batches and encoded batches) is not dealt with by USEFOR. Is it totally dropped by the working group? (Not relevant, like UUCP?) Incidentally, the preface is pretty clear! A great work! -- Julien ÉLIE « Boire du café empêche de dormir. Par contre, dormir empêche de boire du café. » (Philippe Geluck) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri May 8 03:16:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FD03A69A9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:16:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.572 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.572 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.237, BAYES_05=-1.11, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SM4DCc4oowXX for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AF83A6B59 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n48AEqcW019011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 8 May 2009 03:14:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n48AEqYi019010; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:14:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n48AEpoH019002 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:14:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 24251 invoked by uid 503); 8 May 2009 10:58:49 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail92.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:58:49 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:14:50 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.84.165) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:14:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4740E8621A2B4EB3AC09EB5E11DC8CA6@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: References: <497EF74B.2030600@alvestrand.no> <87skmxbol7.fsf_-_@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87skmxbol7.fsf_-_@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: ISSUE 1583 status (was: Re: January: open issues on USEPRO) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:12:11 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 439100964735024569 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.84.165 (amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Russ, >>> 1583 USEPRO LC 5.2.3: Checkgroups control messages >>> Open. There may be multiple issues here. >>> No discussion with "1583" in the subject. > > The first issue is that there's no method in the checkgroups syntax to > delegate control over a newsgroup whose name matches the subhierarchy. I > think we agreed that, yes, this is the case, and there's nothing we can > really do about it at this stage and while still remaining > backwards-compatible. Yet, checkgroups scope is new with USEPRO; it is not mentioned in RFC 1036 or its son. So what is not backwards-compatible with it? It is a new notion. Unless I missed something? > I'm a little worried about this provision, > since after long periods of time and a change of hierarchy administration > it can be potentially difficult to uncover the previous serial number. > But I don't see a good alternative that preserves the serial number > semantics. > > The fourth issue is whether there should be a mechanism to reset the > serial number. I think we decided that we weren't going to specify one. A possibility would have been to do it in the headers of a new checkgroups (specifying it resets the previous serial number). This way, no missed "reset article". -- Julien ÉLIE « Boire du café empêche de dormir. 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri May 8 12:03:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815593A6F51 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:03:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.592 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.592 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.218, BAYES_05=-1.11, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j3MgvV2iFSKw for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED34628C313 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n48J02lw053998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 8 May 2009 12:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n48J02he053997; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 30.mail-out.ovh.net (30.mail-out.ovh.net [213.186.62.213]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n48Ixost053934 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:00:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 605 invoked by uid 503); 8 May 2009 18:59:59 -0000 Received: from gw2.ovh.net (HELO mail154.ha.ovh.net) (213.251.189.202) by 30.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 18:59:59 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 18:59:21 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.84.165) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 18:59:19 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <200905071318.n47DIB2Q017698@clerew.man.ac.uk> <8C0C14278B2B4DB6963827FA3EECD66E@Iulius> <4A0444A4.1040505@alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: <4A0444A4.1040505@alvestrand.no> Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:57:11 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 9297399957832400313 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.84.165 (amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Harald, >> RFC 2822 (5322) does not allow "-0500 (EST)"; it is directly "(EST)", >> though obsolete. > > actually (EST) is considered a comment in 2822/5322, so it's perfectly legitimate. Oh, indeed, it is the famous CFWS (Comment Folding White Space). Thanks for your indication. -- Julien ÉLIE « Boire du café empêche de dormir. Par contre, dormir empêche de boire du café. » (Philippe Geluck) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri May 8 15:29:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9E73A67FD for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:29:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id umuXJ7T0UL+v for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712593A68FB for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n48MSNrm064819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 8 May 2009 15:28:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n48MSNk0064818; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:28:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n48MSCds064796 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:28:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 2689A3B699B for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94CB3B6865 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 971C9E7935; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:28:11 -0700 (PDT) To: Subject: Re: ISSUE 1583 status In-Reply-To: <4740E8621A2B4EB3AC09EB5E11DC8CA6@Iulius> ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Fri\, 8 May 2009 12\:12\:11 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: <497EF74B.2030600@alvestrand.no> <87skmxbol7.fsf_-_@windlord.stanford.edu> <4740E8621A2B4EB3AC09EB5E11DC8CA6@Iulius> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 15:28:11 -0700 Message-ID: <877i0rqlfo.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: >> The first issue is that there's no method in the checkgroups syntax >> to delegate control over a newsgroup whose name matches the >> subhierarchy. I think we agreed that, yes, this is the case, and >> there's nothing we can really do about it at this stage and while >> still remaining backwards-compatible. > > Yet, checkgroups scope is new with USEPRO; it is not mentioned in RFC > 1036 or its son. So what is not backwards-compatible with it? It is > a new notion. Unless I missed something? Existing checkgroups implementations will completely ignore the scope syntax and process the checkgroups anyway. The backward compatibility issue is that we have to be sure that nothing bad happens when they do that. I don't remember the exact details, but I think we decided that was why it was hard to do anything better than what we have here. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sat May 9 01:39:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05223A6C40 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 01:39:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.945, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D1wtNcs+ra39 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 01:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0A93A69E3 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 01:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n498cXeE093176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 9 May 2009 01:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n498cXTr093175; Sat, 9 May 2009 01:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 39.mail-out.ovh.net (39.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.138.60]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n498cLCM093163 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 01:38:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 32564 invoked by uid 503); 9 May 2009 08:38:42 -0000 Received: from gw2.ovh.net (HELO mail170.ha.ovh.net) (213.251.189.202) by 39.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 May 2009 08:38:42 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 May 2009 08:38:17 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.84.165) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 May 2009 08:38:16 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: References: <497EF74B.2030600@alvestrand.no> <87skmxbol7.fsf_-_@windlord.stanford.edu><4740E8621A2B4EB3AC09EB5E11DC8CA6@Iulius> <877i0rqlfo.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <877i0rqlfo.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: ISSUE 1583 status Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:17:58 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 4681210338701475257 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.84.165 (amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Russ, > Existing checkgroups implementations will completely ignore the scope > syntax and process the checkgroups anyway. The backward compatibility > issue is that we have to be sure that nothing bad happens when they do > that. I don't remember the exact details, but I think we decided that > was why it was hard to do anything better than what we have here. OK, thanks. It is true that we currently have: checkgroups:control@cn-bbs.org:cn.bbs.*:verify-cn.bbs.admin.announce so including "cn.bbs" in this checkgroups will not be honoured. Only the checkgroups for "cn.*" can currently act upon "cn.bbs". -- Julien ÉLIE « Le travail est l'opium du peuple et je ne veux pas mourir drogué. » (Boris Vian) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sat May 9 10:35:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCB03A6923 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:35:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.054 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.054 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.490, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_37=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, TVD_FINGER_02=2.134] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u04Auo14Y8hi for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF9A3A6ECE for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n49HInU9025499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 9 May 2009 10:18:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n49HInjR025497; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 39.mail-out.ovh.net (39.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.138.60]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n49HIbJJ025482 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:18:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 31121 invoked by uid 503); 9 May 2009 17:18:59 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail36.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 39.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 May 2009 17:18:58 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 May 2009 17:18:54 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.84.165) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 May 2009 17:18:51 -0000 Message-ID: <8F842516489F4CD5999449F5F5A651AD@Iulius> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Tr: Injection-Info Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:15:53 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 13473362711770889657 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.84.165 (amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Just for your information (from news.software.nntp). It is true that "Injection-Info: nowhere;posting-host=localhost:::1" is not pretty to read and "posting-host" could have been shortened to "host"... And Injection-Date: a sub-field of Injection-Info: (but maybe it was done this way because it was easier to parse in order to obtain the date?). Julien ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "D. Stussy" Groupes de discussion : news.software.nntp Envoyé : mercredi 29 avril 2009 00:55 Objet : Re: Injection-Info > "Russ Allbery" wrote in message > news:87r5zcu17j.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu... >> http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/usefor/drafts/draft-ietf-usefor-usefor-12.txt >> has the specification. (You can also get that I-D from a bunch of other >> places, including direct from the IETF, of course.) > > Q: Why is "Injection-Date" a separate header and not a sub-field of > "Injection-Info"? > > Also, under "Injection-Info" syntax: > > host-value = dot-atom-text / IPv4address / IPv6address / > (dot-atom-text ":" ( IPv4address / IPv6address )) > > If specifying both a hostname (as "dot-atom-text") and an IP address, why > not make the IP address a CWFS comment? I really don't like that colon as > IPv6 address literals may start with a double-colon, and the effective > triple-colon would look ugly. (OK, so maybe it shouldn't happen except for > localhost since IPv4-mapped and IPv4-compatible IPv6 addresses shouldn't be > sources, but the syntax doesn't forbid such.) > > e.g. "Injection-Info: nowhere;posting-host=localhost:::1" > vs. "Injection-Info: nowhere;posting-host=localhost (::1)" > > BNF: "/", not "|" in specifying an option (choose one of)? Hmmmm. > > In the "Injection-Info" parameters, do we really have to say "posting-host" > instead of just "host", and "posting-account" instead of just "account" (or > "acct")? Isn't that understood from the header itself? > > ------ > Another thought: If "Supersedes" must not exist with "Control" functions, > why not make the supersedes function itself a control function (i.e. > "supersedes" becomes a verb)? Won't that will prevent the problem? This > way, it also parallels the "cancel" operation (if that's still to be > supported). For backwards compatibility only, allow the separate header > (possibly having a server rewrite any "Supersedes: " header into > "Control: supersedes ", thus also removing any other "Control:" > header). From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sat May 9 14:03:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9B23A6891 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:03:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4xsHUB-2GzRJ for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEB13A67D0 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n49KwfTi036600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 9 May 2009 13:58:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n49Kwfej036599; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:58:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n49KwUsB036593 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:58:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FB6C51C55A for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp2.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C70451C552 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 02A84E7935; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:58:30 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Tr: Injection-Info In-Reply-To: <8F842516489F4CD5999449F5F5A651AD@Iulius> ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Sat\, 9 May 2009 19\:15\:53 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: <8F842516489F4CD5999449F5F5A651AD@Iulius> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 13:58:29 -0700 Message-ID: <87zldm6lje.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > Just for your information (from news.software.nntp). > > It is true that > "Injection-Info: nowhere;posting-host=3Dlocalhost:::1" > is not pretty to read and "posting-host" could have been > shortened to "host"... I disagree on the name shortening; host is ambiguous about whether it means the posting host or the injecting host. I do agree that in retrospect, given the IPv6 address format, colon is an unfortunate separator, but I think it's probably too late to change it now and it's not ambiguous, just weird-looking. > And Injection-Date: a sub-field of Injection-Info: (but maybe it was > done this way because it was easier to parse in order to obtain the > date?). We were trying to avoid the current situation where there are something like five different trace fields that different bits of software fills out. Since you rarely need access to that information, it seemed better to collapse it into one field that one could parse when needed. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sat May 9 14:26:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26FD3A67D0 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:26:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ddWnDb3xa7Vs for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB8F3A6891 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n49LJA3g037542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 9 May 2009 14:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n49LJAeq037541; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n49LIxrK037531 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:19:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id C6C7F3B6925 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCA23B6932 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 133E4E7935; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:18:58 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Tr: Injection-Info In-Reply-To: <87zldm6lje.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> (Russ Allbery's message of "Sat\, 09 May 2009 13\:58\:29 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: <8F842516489F4CD5999449F5F5A651AD@Iulius> <87zldm6lje.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 14:18:58 -0700 Message-ID: <87my9m6kl9.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Russ Allbery writes: > Julien =C9LIE writes: >> And Injection-Date: a sub-field of Injection-Info: (but maybe it was >> done this way because it was easier to parse in order to obtain the >> date?). > We were trying to avoid the current situation where there are > something like five different trace fields that different bits of > software fills out. Since you rarely need access to that information, > it seemed better to collapse it into one field that one could parse > when needed. Oh, sorry, I completely failed on that question. *heh* Injection-Date is separate because it has a protocol purpose on transit servers and the like. So it's the exact opposite of what I just wrote above -- it *is* needed regularly, and hence it's in a separate field. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From jmsyyke@allianceweb.co.uk Sun May 10 13:43:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9021A3A68A1 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:43:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -25.558 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-25.558 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[APOSTROPHE_FROM=0.001, BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_HCC=4.295, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HELO_EQ_DSL=1.129, HELO_EQ_TELESP=1.245, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.526, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04=0.172, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_3=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN02=1.666, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xlg40FwUQYr5 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 189-46-106-167.dsl.telesp.net.br (189-46-106-167.dsl.telesp.net.br [189.46.106.167]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 359FB3A683D for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:43:50 -0700 (PDT) To: " Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:43:50 -0700 (PDT)

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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon May 11 09:14:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A773A6CB4 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:14:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.259 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.259 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.296, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.044, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nuC-TIQrmc0n for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0473A68B4 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4BGCW71073847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 11 May 2009 09:12:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4BGCWBT073844; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:12:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net [79.135.125.112]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4BGCKSD073795 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster&pop3#clerew^man#ac^uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4a084e62.7b67.2e3 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:12:18 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n4BGC1Bw009525 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:12:01 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n4BGC1JD009521 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:12:01 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25065 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <200905071318.n47DIB2Q017698@clerew.man.ac.uk> <8C0C14278B2B4DB6963827FA3EECD66E@Iulius> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:44:01 GMT Lines: 27 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <8C0C14278B2B4DB6963827FA3EECD66E@Iulius> =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >I do not have much to say. Having skimmed through it, the only nits I see >are typos (missing double spaces after full dots in the first two pages -- >status of this memo, copyright and abstract). >I also see ". [RFC1036]" (p. 5, 16, 32, 58, 76) without a double space >and ".([RFC 977]" (page 34) without spaces at all. >I also noted in 6.5, page 42 "retrospect, , and". >I very probably have missed other things (not having read the whole draft). OK, those look like Nits to fix in AUTH48. I think I shall probably submit it to the RFC Editor tomorrow if I hear nothing further. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue May 12 11:39:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB743A6BAA for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 11:39:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.809 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.809 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.699, BAYES_05=-1.11] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3lz1fdZ9jQ6l for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 11:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C243A6B09 for ; 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Tue, 12 May 2009 20:36:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.54] (162.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.162]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2702D39E1DD for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:36:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A09C1C8.1050502@alvestrand.no> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 20:36:56 +0200 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090318) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Usefor Mailing List Subject: [Fwd: Son-of-1036] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090908070805020409090403" Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090908070805020409090403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to keep everyone updated.... --------------090908070805020409090403 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Son-of-1036.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Son-of-1036.eml" Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes (Cyrus v2.2.13-Debian-2.2.13-13ubuntu3) with LMTPA; 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Tue, 12 May 2009 19:25:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:25:45 +0100 To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: Son-of-1036 From: "Charles Lindsey" Cc: "Henry Spencer" , "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.25 (SunOS) I request publication of draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt as an Historic RFC. This draft, was written by Henry Spencer in June 1954, and subsequently revised by him, with my assistance with the detailed preparation, for publication as an Historic RFC. He will doubtless email you to confirm that this present request is made on his behalf. In its original form, this draft was widely circulated, and was influential in the development of the Netnews protocols at that time, and formed the starting point for the USEFOR Working Group whose own drafts are now in AUTH48 as RFCs 5536 and 5537 (I am myself a joint author of both of those). Although never formally published as an ID, let alone as an RFC, I understand that there are precedents for such publications with Historic status. The USEFOR WG had requested its publication some time back, in order that it could be referred to from within RFCs 5536 and 5537 (the only other current sources of the document are on private web sites which are not suitable for reference within an RFC). Lack of time prevented Henry from publishing it until I gave hiw a final prod, quite recently, and offered to do the grunt work in getting it out. This publication project has been discussed during the AUTH48 exchanges between the authors of 553[67] and yourself (more specifically with Alice Hagens and Stacy Burns), and the USEFOR WG has been given an opportunity to comment upon it (which resulted in a few minor nits easily handled during AUTH48). I hope it will be possible to get it quickly at least to the stage of being assigned an RFC number, so that it may then be referred to in 553[67]; it would also be convenient to give it an RFC number less than 5536, if such a number is still available. I can confirm that this draft has no IANA consequences (except insofar as some IANA templates currently attempt to reference it, though I am not sure that those references are necessary or correct). I have CCed this to Harald Alvestrand, the USEFOR WG Chair, in the hope that he can suggest suitable reviewers for this draft, should you require them. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131     Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk      Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9      Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 --------------090908070805020409090403-- From owman@agromir.net Wed May 13 10:27:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA383A6DB4 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:27:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[APOSTROPHE_FROM=0.001, BAYES_99=3.5, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.526, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04=0.172, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_3=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_NONE=0.1, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HNGftnO3ORGa for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aac.co.nz (unknown [85.100.93.248]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C58233A6915 for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 10:27:53 -0700 (PDT) To: " Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:27:53 -0700 (PDT)

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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon May 25 16:53:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DBC3A6BB6 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:53:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.600, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_55=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_56=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cK16UYZGjS9C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03C03A6BD3 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4PNqbTS067060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 16:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4PNqb0n067059; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp3.stanford.edu (smtp3.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.83]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4PNqQ3Z067044 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:52:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp3.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id CF97C1A02B7 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp3.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689BF1A02AF for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3ED1FE7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090525235225.3ED1FE7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 16:52:24 Author: eagle Revision: 5921 The results of my editing pass following the RFC Editor editing pass. Restore the correct link for the pgpverify format (not the README for the software package). Add some minor tweaks and clarifications. Add RFC 1036 as a specification for application/news-transmission and allow our superseding status to disambiguate. Minimally wrap long lines so that the XML is still readable. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-25 23:49:56 UTC (rev 5920) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-25 23:52:24 UTC (rev 5921) @@ -173,19 +173,6 @@ mailbox = utext = ]]> - - - @@ -234,7 +221,8 @@ The exact means used to transmit articles from one agent to another is not specified. NNTP is the most common transport mechanism for Netnews networks. Other - methods in use include the Unix-to-Unix Copy Protocol (UUCP) + methods in use include the Unix-to-Unix Copy Protocol (UUCP) + (extensively used in the early days of Usenet) and physically delivered magnetic and optical media. Any mechanism may be used in conjunction with this protocol provided that it can meet the @@ -273,10 +261,9 @@ agent, transferred through one or more relaying agents, accepted by a serving agent, and finally retrieved by a reading agent. Articles submitted to moderated groups go through an additional process, - which is described separately (see and Step 7 - of . - Finally, the additional duties and - requirements of a gateway are discussed. + which is described separately (see and + Step 7 of ). Finally, the additional + duties and requirements of a gateway are discussed. At each step, each agent has a set of checks and transformations of the article that it is required to perform. These are described @@ -617,19 +604,20 @@ Contrary to , which implies that the mailbox or mailboxes in the From header field should be that of - the poster or posters, - a poster who does not, for whatever + the poster or posters, a poster who does not, for whatever reason, wish to use his own mailbox MAY use any mailbox ending in the top-level domain ".invalid" . Posting agents meant for use by ordinary posters SHOULD reject - any attempt to post an article that cancels or supersedes another + any attempt to post an article that cancels or supersedes (via the + Supersedes header field) another article of which the poster is not the author or sender.
A proto-article is an article in the format used by a posting - agent when offering that article to an injecting agent. It may omit certain + agent when offering that article to an injecting agent. It may + omit certain header fields that can be better supplied by the injecting agent and will not contain header fields that are added by the injecting agent. A proto-article is only for transmission to an @@ -673,7 +661,7 @@ In some cases, offering the same proto-article to all injecting agents may not be possible (such as when - gatewaying -- after injection -- articles found on one Netnews network to + gatewaying, after injection, articles found on one Netnews network to another supposedly unconnected one). In this case, the posting agent MUST remove any Xref header field and rename or remove any Injection-Info, Path, and other trace header fields before @@ -700,7 +688,8 @@ moderated newsgroups in its Newsgroups header field SHOULD only be done by a moderator and MUST only be done after the proto-article has been approved for all moderated groups to - which it is to be posted and after it has an Approved header field (see + which it is to be posted and after an Approved header + field has been added (see ). Multiple injection of an unapproved article intended for moderated newsgroups will normally only result in the moderator receiving multiple copies, @@ -739,8 +728,8 @@ The Newsgroups header field SHOULD, by default, be inherited from the precursor's Followup-To header field if - present; otherwise, it is inherited from the precursor's Newsgroups - header field. + present; otherwise, it is inherited from the precursor's + Newsgroups header field. The Subject header field SHOULD, by default, be inherited from that of the precursor. The case-sensitive string @@ -981,8 +970,7 @@ field and at least one of the <dist-name>s in its Distribution header field (if present). Exceptionally, control messages creating or removing newsgroups (newgroup or rmgroup control - messages, for example) - SHOULD be relayed if the affected group + messages, for example) SHOULD be relayed if the affected group appears in its Newsgroups header field and both the sending and receiving relaying agents are configured to relay a newsgroup of that name (whether or not such a newsgroup exists). @@ -1010,7 +998,8 @@ If it implements one of the mechanisms described in , this means that it MUST reject any article whose date falls outside the cutoff interval since it - won't know whether or not such articles had been accepted previously. + won't know whether or not such articles had been accepted + previously. It SHOULD reject any article that does not include all the mandatory header fields. It MAY reject any article that @@ -1092,7 +1081,8 @@ If it implements one of the mechanisms described in , this means that it MUST reject any article whose date falls outside the cutoff interval since it - won't know whether or not such articles had been accepted previously. + won't know whether or not such articles had been accepted + previously. It SHOULD reject any article that matches an already-received and honored cancel message or Supersedes @@ -1286,12 +1276,10 @@ The message identifier of the news article should be preserved if at all possible, preferably as or within the corresponding unique identifier of the other - medium. However, if it is not preserved in this way, - then at least it should be preserved - as a comment in the message. This helps greatly with - preventing loops. + medium. However, if it is not preserved in this way, then at + least it should be preserved as a comment in the message. + This helps greatly with preventing loops. - The Date and Injection-Date of the news article should also be preserved if possible, for similar reasons. @@ -1353,7 +1341,8 @@ articles are bad enough; spews of control messages with special significance to the news system, possibly resulting in high processing load or even in emails being sent for - every message received, are catastrophic. It is far preferable to + every message received, are catastrophic. It is far + preferable to construct a system specifically for posting control messages that can do appropriate consistency checks and authentication of the originator of the message. @@ -1600,7 +1589,7 @@ the recipient host's system beyond just storage of the article. - Published specification: RFC 5537 + Published specification: RFC 1036, RFC 5537 Body part: A complete proto-article ready for injection into Netnews or an article @@ -1615,13 +1604,6 @@ - usage=moderate indicates the article is intended for a moderator, usage=inject for an injecting agent, and usage=relay for a relaying agent. The entity receiving the article may only @@ -1786,7 +1768,6 @@ checkgroups-body = *( valid-group CRLF ) valid-group = newsgroups-line ; see Section 4.2 - The same restrictions on charset, <newsgroup-name>, and @@ -1843,7 +1824,8 @@ header field starting with the string "cmsg " MUST NOT cause an article to be interpreted as a control message. Agents MAY reject an article that has such a Subject header field and no Control - header field as ambiguous. Likewise, the presence of a <newsgroup-name> + header field as ambiguous. Likewise, the presence of a + <newsgroup-name> ending in ".ctl" in the Newsgroups header field or the presence of an Also-Control header field MUST NOT cause the article to be interpreted as a control message. @@ -2402,13 +2384,11 @@ FlyDash, Inc. - + - @@ -2422,7 +2402,7 @@ + target="ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/FORMAT"> Signing Control Messages - + From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon May 25 17:03:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E6A3A7020 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mk7LOZIXEjK8 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817E828C12E for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q03VZs068248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q03Vx8068247; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q03UMB068240 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 87AFAC5E3 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp4.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A8EC597 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 54592E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:30 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526000330.54592E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 17:03:29 Author: eagle Revision: 5922 Reference VCHAR instead of utext, removing the last reference to RFC 2822. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-25 23:52:24 UTC (rev 5921) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:03:29 UTC (rev 5922) @@ -20,8 +20,6 @@ 'http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.2119.xml'> - SP = WSP = + VCHAR = argument = article-locator = @@ -171,7 +170,6 @@ display-name = local-part = mailbox = - utext = ]]>
@@ -1681,7 +1679,7 @@ = eightbit-utext *( *WSP eightbit-utext ) moderation-flag = SP "(" %x4D.6F.64.65.72.61.74.65.64 ")" ; SPACE + case sensitive "(Moderated)" - eightbit-utext = utext / %d127-255 + eightbit-utext = VCHAR / %d127-255 @@ -2364,7 +2362,6 @@ &rfc2046; &rfc2119; - &rfc2822; &rfc5322; &rfc3629; &rfc4288; From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon May 25 17:12:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3900A3A6C21 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.57 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.57 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4aCiepoHmGT8 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0845A3A6AA7 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0C1FK069066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0C1oW069065; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0BptT069033 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id DD1C418FA95 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C476418FA8C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 88199E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526001150.88199E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 17:11:49 Author: eagle Revision: 5923 Following further discussion, remove RFC 1036 as a defining standard for application/news-transmission. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:03:29 UTC (rev 5922) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:11:49 UTC (rev 5923) @@ -1587,7 +1587,7 @@ the recipient host's system beyond just storage of the article. - Published specification: RFC 1036, RFC 5537 + Published specification: RFC 5537 Body part: A complete proto-article ready for injection into Netnews or an article From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon May 25 17:12:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B7E3A69BB for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.572 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.572 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KnjtYwsSKuzp for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3563A6A32 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0CY38069187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0CYsk069186; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu (smtp1.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.81]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0CNet069108 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 81F24178411 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp1.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6636F17843F for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 18C53E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:23 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526001223.18C53E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 17:12:22 Author: eagle Revision: 5924 Remove the URL for the PGPMOOSE specification. It's not stable. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:11:49 UTC (rev 5923) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:12:22 UTC (rev 5924) @@ -2386,8 +2386,7 @@ - + PGP Moose @@ -2395,7 +2394,6 @@ - X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147103A68F0 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:17:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.573 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U0gM4r-R81Xq for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615B03A6CEC for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0GmVg069573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0GmhH069572; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0GmVm069564 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id DE41CC53C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp4.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BE7C508 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BEBDEE7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526001647.BEBDEE7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 17:16:47 Author: eagle Revision: 5925 Remove an incorrect !! from the example Path header field. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:12:22 UTC (rev 5924) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:16:47 UTC (rev 5925) @@ -454,7 +454,7 @@ agents. - Path: foo.isp.example!.SEEN.isp.example!!foo-news + Path: foo.isp.example!.SEEN.isp.example!foo-news !.MISMATCH.2001:DB:0:0:8:800:200C:417A!bar.isp.example !!old.site.example!barbaz!!baz.isp.example !.POSTED.dialup123.baz.isp.example!not-for-mail From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon May 25 17:20:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D923A6B4E for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:20:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.574 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.574 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e7jsey-1IMMp for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059593A68F0 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0JjcP069854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0JjHc069853; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0JiYa069847 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D008170549 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp2.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32C117054A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9D848E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:43 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526001943.9D848E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 17:19:41 Author: eagle Revision: 5926 Use ABNF syntax when discussing ASCII values when describing transport limitations. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:16:47 UTC (rev 5925) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:19:41 UTC (rev 5926) @@ -227,11 +227,11 @@ requirements specified here. Transports for Netnews articles MUST treat news articles as - uninterpreted sequences of octets, excluding the values 0 (which may - not occur in Netnews articles) and 13 and 10 (which MUST only appear - in Netnews articles as a pair in that order and which, together, - denote a line separator). These octets are the US-ASCII characters NUL, CR, and LF respectively. + uninterpreted sequences of octets, excluding the values %d00 (which + may not occur in Netnews articles), %d13, and %d10 (which MUST only + appear in Netnews articles as a pair in that order and which, + together, denote a line separator). These octets are the US-ASCII + characters NUL, CR, and LF respectively. NOTE: This corresponds to the range of octets permitted in MIME 8bit data . Transports for From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon May 25 17:31:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2713A7024 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.575 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.575 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.024, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nJw2HqT162p0 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BB23A6F15 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0VZKZ071006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0VZsL071005; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0VXMw070998 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F05EC637 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp4.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F772C61A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6BFD5E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:33 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526003133.6BFD5E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 17:31:32 Author: eagle Revision: 5927 Add multiple minor typo fixes and clarifications. Examples showing newsgroup description information now include a specific note saying that the spaces are typographic and that in real messages tabs are required. Checkgroups update moderation status as well. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:19:41 UTC (rev 5926) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:31:32 UTC (rev 5927) @@ -959,7 +959,7 @@ A relaying agent accepts injected articles from injecting and other relaying agents and passes them on to relaying or serving agents. To avoid bypass of injecting agent policies and forgery - of Path and Injector-Info headers, relaying agents SHOULD accept + of Path and Injection-Info headers, relaying agents SHOULD accept articles only from trusted agents. An article SHOULD NOT be relayed unless the sending agent has @@ -1759,7 +1759,7 @@
- The content of the application/news-groupinfo body + The content of the application/news-checkgroups body part is defined as: @@ -1794,6 +1794,10 @@ is present, all groups that exist in that hierarchy MUST be listed unless its scope is limited by external information, in which case all groups SHOULD be listed. + + Spaces are used in this example for formatting reasons. In + an actual message the newsgroup name and description MUST be + separated by one or more tabs (HTAB, ASCII %d09), not spaces. @@ -1961,6 +1965,11 @@ --nxtprt--
+ + Spaces are used in this example for formatting reasons. In + an actual message the newsgroup name and description MUST be + separated by one or more tabs (HTAB, ASCII %d09), not + spaces. @@ -1986,7 +1995,8 @@ valid groups in a hierarchy with descriptions and moderation status. It requests that a news server update its valid newsgroup list for that hierarchy to include the groups specified, remove - any groups not specified, and update group descriptions to match + any groups not specified, and update group descriptions and + moderation status to match those given in the checkgroups control message. The syntax of its Control header field is: @@ -2213,9 +2223,10 @@ difficulty of authenticating them and their widespread abuse. Cancel control messages are not required to have the same - Newsgroups header field as the messages they are cancelling and, - since they are sometimes processed before the original message is - received, it may not be possible to check that they do. This + Newsgroups header field as the messages they are cancelling. + Since they are sometimes processed before the original message is + received, it may not be possible to check that the Newsgroup + header fields match. This allows a malicious poster to inject a cancel control message for an article in a moderated newsgroup without adding an Approved header field to the control message, and to hide malicious cancel From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon May 25 17:32:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CA93A702C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:32:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.576 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.576 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SqNd+O+IOWmY for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14233A6CEC for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0UDYA070864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0UDex070863; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0UCVm070856 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 674E618FADD for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3098E18FAC7 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2C3C7E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:12 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Possible typos In-Reply-To: <72C4E06ED8964D829D2DB6853DB83921@Iulius> ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Wed\, 8 Apr 2009 20\:24\:29 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: <72C4E06ED8964D829D2DB6853DB83921@Iulius> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:12 -0700 Message-ID: <87eiucso2z.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > Other typos: > > In 4.3: > The content of the application/news-groupinfo body part is defined as: > > It is application/news-checkgroups! Thanks, fixed. > In both 4.3 and 5.2.1.1, could it be said that in the examples, spaces > are used in newsgroups descriptions but that they are in fact tabs? Added. > In 5.2.3, as for a checkgroups control message: > > It requests a news server update its valid newsgroup list for that > hierarchy to include the groups specified, remove any groups not > specified, and update group descriptions to match those given in > the checkgroups control message. > > Could it be said "and update group descriptions as well as moderation > status to match those..."? Yes, good idea. Done. > In 5.3: > > The cancel control message requests that a target article be withdrawn > from circulation and access. > > In order to be consistent with the previous paragraphs, "that" should > not be added here after "requests" :) The RFC Editor apparently has their own style for this, and thats were added and changed all over the document for publication. I'm leaving all of that alone, since I have no strong opinions. :) > By the way, why does "Supersedes" always begin with a capital? When > we do not speak about the header, it should be a lower-case letter > shouldn't it? For instance in 3.4, "which cancels or Supersedes > another article". The RFC Editor noticed that too and lowercased it. I added a parenthetical reference to the Supersedes header field, which is what I was trying to reference in too subtle of a way. > In 6.1: > > Cancel control messages are not required to have the same Newsgroups > header field as the messages they are cancelling and, since they are > sometimes processed before the original message is received, it may not > be possible to check that they do. > > "to check what they do"? "to check that"? Reworded, thanks. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon May 25 17:33:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BBE3A6A9B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.614 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.614 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id byRhNtrukCZc for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C4C3A69C4 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0X8hL071184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0X8Fl071183; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0X7mZ071173 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E76A18FAAE for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1141118F842 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0C88EE7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:07 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Archived-At: header field In-Reply-To: <1CAB722E203C456AB80B5905A7BAC6F7@Iulius> ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Wed\, 8 Apr 2009 20\:15\:06 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: <1CAB722E203C456AB80B5905A7BAC6F7@Iulius> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:07 -0700 Message-ID: <87ab50sny4.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > I see that RFC 5064 defines the Archived-At: header field for Netnews. > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5064.txt > > Shouldn't it be referenced somewhere in USEFOR? > (And maybe also in USEPRO? as a note in the gatewaying section?) I'm going to punt on this for this document. I think RFC 5064 is relatively clear, referencing it requires a bit of thought about how it might be used, and at this stage in the document publication I don't want to make changes that require a bit of thought. We're too likely to get them wrong. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon May 25 17:34:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9173A6ED0 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.613 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.613 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zKEvxhmuzoOE for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596173A6A9B for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0YheS071328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0YhOl071327; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp3.stanford.edu (smtp3.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.83]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0YhHD071321 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp3.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D78C1A0656 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp3.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D699F1A0651 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D1BC2E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:42 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Duties of agents as for obsolete control messages In-Reply-To: ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Wed\, 8 Apr 2009 20\:27\:26 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:42 -0700 Message-ID: <8763fosnvh.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > Shouldn't it be said something in the duties of injecting agents > (and maybe relaying?) as for obsolete control messages > like sendsys, version, whogets and senduuname (section 5.6)? > They SHOULD be rejected (?) Eh, I don't know. We say: The following control message types are declared obsolete by this document and SHOULD NOT be sent or honored: and I'm not sure I want to say more than that or call it out specifically for injecting agents. I think that most injecting agents currently don't think about control messages at all and just pass them along. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon May 25 17:36:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6426E3A7028 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.613 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.613 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tQ75GjfyZD-e for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54AC43A701D for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0aKmt071485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0aKn1071484; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0aJ0r071472 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 218E81705D4 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp2.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27A51705CE for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DD677E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:18 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Re: Use of message disposition notification In-Reply-To: (Charles Lindsey's message of "Thu\, 9 Apr 2009 14\:41\:34 GMT") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: <87bpr8cpyu.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <96088B3EFAFE49899F643996FBEC91B5@Iulius> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:18 -0700 Message-ID: <871vqcsnst.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: "Charles Lindsey" writes: > Julien =C9LIE writes: >> By the way, as you speak about security considerations, I see that >> USEPRO references both pgpmoose and pgpverify. Wouldn't a note on >> Cancel-Lock be added in 6.1? ("Currently, many sites are ignoring >> all cancel control messages and Supersedes header fields due to the >> difficulty of authenticating them and their widespread abuse.") It >> could be said that Cancel-Lock might be used >> (draft-ietf-usefor-cancel-lock-01) and also NoCeM, which is more and >> more spread nowadays. > Cancel-Lock is not formally defined anywhere, hence I know of no > news-server that ever looks at it, although a few people add it in > hope :-). > Our original plan of work was that, when we were done with our present > drafts, the next jobs would be UTF-8 in newsgroup-names and a document > covering security matters - notably pgpmoose and pgpverify (which > really need to be unified) plus Cancel-Locks and, I would hope, > NoCeM. But those would rechartering, and the probability of that > happening is not, shall we say, too promising :-( . Unless someone feels very strongly otherwise, I'm going to bail on cancel lock for this document on those same "requires thought" grounds. The logical next step for Cancel-Lock would be to complete the work of publishing an RFC, which could then update this one and generate the right references in RFC listings. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon May 25 17:43:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5B83A69CB for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.612 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.612 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8FZjeFP-uNKs for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30473A6886 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0hSTU072203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0hSR0072202; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0hS6d072195 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 09E3F1704DC for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp2.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB3E17033D for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C46A2E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:27 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526004327.C46A2E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 17:43:27 Author: eagle Revision: 5928 Further rewordings based on Charles's detailed reading and further RFC Editor discussion. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:31:32 UTC (rev 5927) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:43:27 UTC (rev 5928) @@ -640,9 +640,9 @@
Under some circumstances (for example, when posting to - multiple, supposedly disjoint, networks, when injecting + multiple, supposedly disjoint, networks, when using injecting agents with spotty connectivity, or when desiring - redundancy), a posting agent may wish to offer + additional redundancy), a posting agent may wish to offer the same article to multiple injecting agents. In this unusual case, the goal is not to create multiple independent articles but rather to inject the same article at multiple points and let @@ -1308,11 +1308,11 @@ An incoming gateway MUST NOT gate the same message twice. It may not be possible to ensure this in the face of mangling or modification of the message, but at the very least a gateway, - when given a copy of a message that it has already gated identically - except for trace header fields (like Received in Email or Path - in Netnews), MUST NOT gate the message again. An incoming - gateway SHOULD take precautions against having this rule - bypassed by modifications of the message that can be + when given a copy of a message that it has already gated and + that is identical except for trace header fields (like Received + in Email or Path in Netnews), MUST NOT gate the message again. + An incoming gateway SHOULD take precautions against having this + rule bypassed by modifications of the message that can be anticipated. News articles prepared by gateways MUST be valid news From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue May 26 13:39:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970E63A6A2C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:39:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.612 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.612 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nuEIaKBOc3RK for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF493A6A2B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QKcfOU068951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4QKcfUR068950; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QKcUk5068937 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DDC5C7F7 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp4.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A84FC4E3 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 15D97E7935; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:30 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526203830.15D97E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 @ 13:38:28 Author: eagle Revision: 5932 Updated version of the document from the RFC Editor. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 06:00:51 UTC (rev 5931) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 20:38:28 UTC (rev 5932) @@ -1530,7 +1530,7 @@ handled as application/octet-stream. Disposition should by default be inline. - Published specification: [SON-OF-1036], RFC 5537 + Published specification: RFC 1036, RFC 5537 Applications that use this media type: Some old mail and news user agents. @@ -1543,13 +1543,6 @@ -
The media type application/news-transmission is intended for @@ -1587,7 +1580,7 @@ the recipient host's system beyond just storage of the article. - Published specification: RFC 5537 + Published specification: RFC 1036, RFC 5537 Body part: A complete proto-article ready for injection into Netnews or an article @@ -1796,7 +1789,7 @@ which case all groups SHOULD be listed. Spaces are used in this example for formatting reasons. In - an actual message the newsgroup name and description MUST be + an actual message, the newsgroup name and description MUST be separated by one or more tabs (HTAB, ASCII %d09), not spaces.
@@ -1967,7 +1960,7 @@ Spaces are used in this example for formatting reasons. In - an actual message the newsgroup name and description MUST be + an actual message, the newsgroup name and description MUST be separated by one or more tabs (HTAB, ASCII %d09), not spaces. @@ -2434,8 +2427,9 @@ fullname="Henry Spencer"> SP Systems - + + From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue May 26 13:54:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F0B3A6DCF for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:54:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.611 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.611 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wssF1HaR3edx for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9FE28C1FE for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QKrM2c069886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 May 2009 13:53:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4QKrMja069885; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:53:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QKrBEi069869 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:53:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C42A18FB71 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EF618FD30 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C790EE7935; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526205310.C790EE7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 @ 13:53:09 Author: eagle Revision: 5934 The document is now the result of a twelve-year effort. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 20:52:34 UTC (rev 5933) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 20:53:09 UTC (rev 5934) @@ -2511,7 +2511,7 @@
- This document is the result of a ten-year effort and the number + This document is the result of a twelve-year effort and the number of people that have contributed to its content are too numerous to mention individually. Many thanks go out to all past and present members of the USEFOR Working Group of the Internet Engineering Task From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue May 26 13:54:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B383A6E5F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:54:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.611 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.611 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7-ECsmjliTXG for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBECB28C17E for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QKqlvM069814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4QKql4K069813; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QKqb7N069791 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id D67801707F6 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp2.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A481704C7 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0FFB3E7935; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:36 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526205236.0FFB3E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 @ 13:52:34 Author: eagle Revision: 5933 Change the UUCP reference to the O'Reilly book rather than the RFC for e-mail over UUCP (which isn't the protocol we're talking about). Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 20:38:28 UTC (rev 5932) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 20:52:34 UTC (rev 5933) @@ -219,8 +219,8 @@ The exact means used to transmit articles from one agent to another is not specified. NNTP is the most common transport mechanism for Netnews networks. Other - methods in use include the Unix-to-Unix Copy Protocol (UUCP) - + methods in use include the Unix-to-Unix Copy Protocol + (extensively used in the early days of Usenet) and physically delivered magnetic and optical media. Any mechanism may be used in conjunction with this protocol provided that it can meet the @@ -282,7 +282,6 @@ additional effects than those described below. Those effects are described in . -
There are two important principles that news implementors and administrators need to keep in mind. The first is the well-known @@ -1543,7 +1542,6 @@ -
The media type application/news-transmission is intended for the encapsulation of complete news articles where the intention is @@ -2124,8 +2122,8 @@ The ihave and sendme control messages implement a predecessor of the NNTP protocol. They are largely obsolete on the Internet but still see use in conjunction with - some transport protocols such as UUCP. News servers are not - required to support them. + some transport protocols such as UUCP . + News servers are not required to support them.
ihave and sendme control messages share similar syntax @@ -2414,7 +2412,6 @@ target="ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/FORMAT" /> - &rfc0976; &rfc1036; &rfc2045; &rfc2606; @@ -2431,7 +2428,7 @@ - + Usenet Best Practice + + + Managing UUCP and Usenet + + + + + + + + + +
From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue May 26 14:20:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B7D28C24B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:20:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.611 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.611 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NmZ61woy4dAy for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AD03A7147 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QL3IQs070531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4QL3IjN070530; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QL3Hdq070523 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B34C418F833 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9871A18F7D1 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9309FE7935; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526210317.9309FE7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 @ 14:03:16 Author: eagle Revision: 5935 Also remove the ENTITY reference to the UUCP RFC. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 20:53:09 UTC (rev 5934) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 21:03:16 UTC (rev 5935) @@ -8,8 +8,6 @@ X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C0628C1C8 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:39:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.011, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KEkqwG9lJR5O for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB90128C13C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4R4WMKO097598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4R4WMFT097597; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp3.stanford.edu (smtp3.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.83]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4R4WBU2097583 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp3.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 59FF51A01CC for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp3.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8A21A018E for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 20A6FE7935; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:11 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090527043211.20A6FE7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 @ 21:32:10 Author: eagle Revision: 5936 Additional update from the RFC Editor. Okay, they want to "abuse" seriesInfo for the publisher rather than using the ISBN. Works for me. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 21:03:16 UTC (rev 5935) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-27 04:32:10 UTC (rev 5936) @@ -2448,7 +2448,7 @@ - + From johnsmithsvt@alphalytik.de Wed May 27 01:27:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07F43A6AE3 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 01:27:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -16.726 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-16.726 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_80=2, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_PL=1.135, HOST_EQ_PL=1.95, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, SARE_UNI=0.591, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Itk8eKhjJagz for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 01:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nw.unitron.com.pl (nw.unitron.com.pl [217.98.24.186]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C66813A6953 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 01:27:15 -0700 (PDT) To: usefor-archive@ietf.org Subject: Newsletter #744197 From: usefor-archive@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090527082715.C66813A6953@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed May 27 10:14:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4AB3A6A7F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:14:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.433 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.433 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.735, BAYES_50=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZD4SY4gURCAB for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1513A694C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4RHDQap066473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 May 2009 10:13:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4RHDQIO066472; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:13:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4RHDE8O066424 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 23593 invoked by uid 503); 27 May 2009 18:09:52 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail140.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 18:09:52 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 17:13:11 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-37-195.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.148.195) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 17:13:09 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <8F842516489F4CD5999449F5F5A651AD@Iulius><87zldm6lje.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <87my9m6kl9.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87my9m6kl9.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Tr: Injection-Info Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:13:07 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 8405124279789878713 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.148.195 (aaubervilliers-151-1-37-195.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: >> And Injection-Date: a sub-field of Injection-Info: (but maybe it was >> done this way because it was easier to parse in order to obtain the >> date?). > > Injection-Date is separate because it has a protocol purpose on transit > servers and the like. So it's the exact opposite of what I just wrote > above -- it *is* needed regularly, and hence it's in a separate field. OK, thanks Russ. -- Julien ÉLIE « Video meliora proboque deteriora sequor. » (Ovide) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed May 27 10:17:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646593A685A for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:17:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.372 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.372 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.326, BAYES_50=0.001, GB_I_LETTER=-2, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pfiW3LMG1Sus for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10003A7101 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4RHHEj2066725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 May 2009 10:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4RHHEG8066724; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4RHHCRb066717 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:17:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 26370 invoked by uid 503); 27 May 2009 18:13:52 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail140.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 18:13:52 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 17:17:11 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-37-195.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.148.195) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 17:17:09 -0000 Message-ID: <912519CFC3144C16949F0F484CDE53AA@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <72C4E06ED8964D829D2DB6853DB83921@Iulius> <87eiucso2z.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87eiucso2z.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Possible typos Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:17:07 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 8472678274546138553 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.148.195 (aaubervilliers-151-1-37-195.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Russ, Thanks for your commits. >> By the way, why does "Supersedes" always begin with a capital? When >> we do not speak about the header, it should be a lower-case letter >> shouldn't it? For instance in 3.4, "which cancels or Supersedes >> another article". > > The RFC Editor noticed that too and lowercased it. I added a > parenthetical reference to the Supersedes header field, which is what I > was trying to reference in too subtle of a way. I see you added the reference once (that's fine -- no need to say it several times). >> Cancel control messages are not required to have the same Newsgroups >> header field as the messages they are cancelling and, since they are >> sometimes processed before the original message is received, it may not >> be possible to check that they do. >> >> "to check what they do"? "to check that"? > > Reworded, thanks. Your new wording is clearer, thanks! -- Julien ÉLIE « Je ne voudrais tout de même pas que Cléopâtre m'ait dans le nez ! » (César) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed May 27 14:44:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5783A6E8D for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:44:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.601, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wcCBpHW9dIBO for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987193A6A31 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4RLiEV0087869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 May 2009 14:44:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4RLiEcW087868; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:44:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 26.mail-out.ovh.net (26.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.27.225]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4RLi269087852 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:44:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 8482 invoked by uid 503); 27 May 2009 21:44:24 -0000 Received: from 2.mail-out.ovh.net (91.121.26.226) by 26.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 21:44:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 14059 invoked by uid 503); 27 May 2009 22:45:47 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail401.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 2.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 22:45:47 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 21:44:00 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-37-195.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.148.195) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 21:43:58 -0000 Message-ID: <0000428F2AD640CABF5EFC698B826135@Iulius> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Missing RFC editor commit Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:43:55 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 12978811178111925689 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.148.195 (aaubervilliers-151-1-37-195.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 12986129526078635448 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, Would it be possible to know what changes occur in USEPRO between revision 5777 (March, 3rd) and revision 5921 (May, 25th)? I see in revision 5922 (May, 25th): @@ -171,7 +170,6 @@ display-name = local-part = mailbox = - utext = ]]>
whereas we still had RFC2822 everywhere in revision 5777. Yet, no mails were sent to the mailing list for the intermediate commits which must have happened. (Maybe it was a commit which generated a mail whose length exceeded the maximum allowed here?) -- Julien ÉLIE « Non omnibus aegris eadem auxilia conueniunt. » From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed May 27 15:48:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F19028C270 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:48:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.011, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1jYBNFUeJF6F for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAF628C28B for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4RMjHK6091700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4RMjHbc091699; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4RMj6lR091684 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id DB33218FA16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF9818F9DD for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8E110E7950; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:05 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Missing RFC editor commit In-Reply-To: <0000428F2AD640CABF5EFC698B826135@Iulius> ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Wed\, 27 May 2009 23\:43\:55 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: <0000428F2AD640CABF5EFC698B826135@Iulius> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:05 -0700 Message-ID: <87iqjmqi6m.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > Would it be possible to know what changes occur in USEPRO > between revision 5777 (March, 3rd) and revision 5921 (May, 25th)? > > I see in revision 5922 (May, 25th): > > @@ -171,7 +170,6 @@ > display-name =3D > local-part =3D > mailbox =3D > - utext =3D > ]]> > >
> > whereas we still had RFC2822 everywhere in revision 5777. Yet, no > mails were sent to the mailing list for the intermediate commits which > must have happened. > > (Maybe it was a commit which generated a mail whose length > exceeded the maximum allowed here?) I suspect it was too long for the mailing list. I'll send it to you separately. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From overexposeb891@ambros-haus.de Fri May 29 10:48:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78AD3A6A20 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:48:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.995 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.995 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, SARE_UNI=0.591, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HyFocUQBb+oz for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host114-199-static.29-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it (host114-199-static.29-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it [79.29.199.114]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A56613A6A39 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:48:45 -0700 (PDT) To: usefor-archive@ietf.org Subject: RE: Newsletter #482733 From: usefor-archive@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090529174848.A56613A6A39@core3.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:48:45 -0700 (PDT)
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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Sun May 31 13:59:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA323A6844 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:59:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.302 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.302 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7BnzPijnLWux for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1303A6405 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4VKuQ2p049791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 31 May 2009 13:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4VKuQgR049790; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4VKuEua049774 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:56:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 6980 invoked by uid 503); 31 May 2009 21:55:37 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail92.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 31 May 2009 21:55:37 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 31 May 2009 20:56:13 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-45-218.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.114.135.218) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 31 May 2009 20:56:11 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <0000428F2AD640CABF5EFC698B826135@Iulius> <87iqjmqi6m.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87iqjmqi6m.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Missing RFC editor commit Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 17215854002644975033 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.114.135.218 (aaubervilliers-151-1-45-218.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Russ, >> Would it be possible to know what changes occur in USEPRO >> between revision 5777 (March, 3rd) and revision 5921 (May, 25th)? > > I suspect it was too long for the mailing list. I'll send it to you > separately. OK, thanks a lot! Here are a few (minor) remarks: @@ -476,13 +497,13 @@ - bar.isp.example relayed it to foo-news which, not being + bar.isp.example relayed it to foo-news, which, not being convinced that it truly came from bar.isp.example, inserted the <diag-keyword> "MISMATCH" and then stated that it received the article from the IPv6 address [2001:DB8:0:0:8:800:200C:417A]. (This is not to say that bar.isp.example was not a correct <path-identity> for that - source but simply that that identity did not match the + source but simply that the identity did not match the expectations of foo-news.) Isn't there something better in English to say "that" in that case? Because we have in the same sentence "that source" and "the identity"; it would be better to keep the meaning of "that identity". "but simply that the expectations of foo-news were not matched by that identity"? Or another construction than "this is not to say that ... but that". @@ -986,8 +1010,7 @@ If it implements one of the mechanisms described in , this means that it MUST reject any article whose date falls outside the cutoff interval since it - won't know whether such articles had been accepted previously - or not. + won't know whether or not such articles had been accepted previously. Is "or not" necessary? Isn't "it won't know whether such articles" enough? (It happens twice in the text.) @@ -1249,23 +1272,26 @@ The message identifier of the news article should be preserved if at all possible, preferably as or within the - corresponding unique identifier of the other medium, but if - not at least as a comment in the message. This helps - greatly with preventing loops. + corresponding unique identifier of the other + medium. However, if it is not preserved in this way, + then at least it should be preserved + as a comment in the message. This helps greatly with + preventing loops. Missing space before "However". @@ -2412,8 +2497,9 @@ Additional media types are defined for improved structuring, specification, and automated processing of - control messages ( and ). + control messages (Sections and ). It makes me notice that there is an inconsistency between "(Section x.y)" and "(see Section x.y)" or equivalent in the RFC. Most of the references use "see" but a few, like this one, do not. Shouldn't it be homogenized? -- Julien ÉLIE « Quo vadis ? » (saint Jean) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4VKuQ2p049791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 31 May 2009 13:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4VKuQgR049790; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:56:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4VKuEua049774 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:56:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 6980 invoked by uid 503); 31 May 2009 21:55:37 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail92.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 31 May 2009 21:55:37 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 31 May 2009 20:56:13 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-45-218.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.114.135.218) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 31 May 2009 20:56:11 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <0000428F2AD640CABF5EFC698B826135@Iulius> <87iqjmqi6m.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87iqjmqi6m.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Missing RFC editor commit Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 17215854002644975033 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.114.135.218 (aaubervilliers-151-1-45-218.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Russ, >> Would it be possible to know what changes occur in USEPRO >> between revision 5777 (March, 3rd) and revision 5921 (May, 25th)? > > I suspect it was too long for the mailing list. I'll send it to you > separately. OK, thanks a lot! Here are a few (minor) remarks: @@ -476,13 +497,13 @@ - bar.isp.example relayed it to foo-news which, not being + bar.isp.example relayed it to foo-news, which, not being convinced that it truly came from bar.isp.example, inserted the <diag-keyword> "MISMATCH" and then stated that it received the article from the IPv6 address [2001:DB8:0:0:8:800:200C:417A]. (This is not to say that bar.isp.example was not a correct <path-identity> for that - source but simply that that identity did not match the + source but simply that the identity did not match the expectations of foo-news.) Isn't there something better in English to say "that" in that case? Because we have in the same sentence "that source" and "the identity"; it would be better to keep the meaning of "that identity". "but simply that the expectations of foo-news were not matched by that identity"? Or another construction than "this is not to say that ... but that". @@ -986,8 +1010,7 @@ If it implements one of the mechanisms described in , this means that it MUST reject any article whose date falls outside the cutoff interval since it - won't know whether such articles had been accepted previously - or not. + won't know whether or not such articles had been accepted previously. Is "or not" necessary? Isn't "it won't know whether such articles" enough? (It happens twice in the text.) @@ -1249,23 +1272,26 @@ The message identifier of the news article should be preserved if at all possible, preferably as or within the - corresponding unique identifier of the other medium, but if - not at least as a comment in the message. This helps - greatly with preventing loops. + corresponding unique identifier of the other + medium. However, if it is not preserved in this way, + then at least it should be preserved + as a comment in the message. This helps greatly with + preventing loops. Missing space before "However". @@ -2412,8 +2497,9 @@ Additional media types are defined for improved structuring, specification, and automated processing of - control messages ( and ). + control messages (Sections and ). It makes me notice that there is an inconsistency between "(Section x.y)" and "(see Section x.y)" or equivalent in the RFC. Most of the references use "see" but a few, like this one, do not. Shouldn't it be homogenized? -- Julien ÉLIE « Quo vadis ? » (saint Jean) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4RMjHK6091700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4RMjHbc091699; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4RMj6lR091684 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id DB33218FA16 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF9818F9DD for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8E110E7950; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:05 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Missing RFC editor commit In-Reply-To: <0000428F2AD640CABF5EFC698B826135@Iulius> ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Wed\, 27 May 2009 23\:43\:55 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: <0000428F2AD640CABF5EFC698B826135@Iulius> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:45:05 -0700 Message-ID: <87iqjmqi6m.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > Would it be possible to know what changes occur in USEPRO > between revision 5777 (March, 3rd) and revision 5921 (May, 25th)? > > I see in revision 5922 (May, 25th): > > @@ -171,7 +170,6 @@ > display-name =3D > local-part =3D > mailbox =3D > - utext =3D > ]]> > >
> > whereas we still had RFC2822 everywhere in revision 5777. Yet, no > mails were sent to the mailing list for the intermediate commits which > must have happened. > > (Maybe it was a commit which generated a mail whose length > exceeded the maximum allowed here?) I suspect it was too long for the mailing list. I'll send it to you separately. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4RLiEV0087869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 May 2009 14:44:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4RLiEcW087868; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:44:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 26.mail-out.ovh.net (26.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.27.225]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4RLi269087852 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 14:44:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 8482 invoked by uid 503); 27 May 2009 21:44:24 -0000 Received: from 2.mail-out.ovh.net (91.121.26.226) by 26.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 21:44:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 14059 invoked by uid 503); 27 May 2009 22:45:47 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail401.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 2.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 22:45:47 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 21:44:00 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-37-195.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.148.195) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 21:43:58 -0000 Message-ID: <0000428F2AD640CABF5EFC698B826135@Iulius> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Missing RFC editor commit Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:43:55 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 12978811178111925689 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.148.195 (aaubervilliers-151-1-37-195.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 12986129526078635448 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, Would it be possible to know what changes occur in USEPRO between revision 5777 (March, 3rd) and revision 5921 (May, 25th)? I see in revision 5922 (May, 25th): @@ -171,7 +170,6 @@ display-name = local-part = mailbox = - utext = ]]> whereas we still had RFC2822 everywhere in revision 5777. Yet, no mails were sent to the mailing list for the intermediate commits which must have happened. (Maybe it was a commit which generated a mail whose length exceeded the maximum allowed here?) -- Julien ÉLIE « Non omnibus aegris eadem auxilia conueniunt. » Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4RHHEj2066725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 May 2009 10:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4RHHEG8066724; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:17:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4RHHCRb066717 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:17:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 26370 invoked by uid 503); 27 May 2009 18:13:52 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail140.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 18:13:52 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 17:17:11 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-37-195.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.148.195) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 17:17:09 -0000 Message-ID: <912519CFC3144C16949F0F484CDE53AA@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <72C4E06ED8964D829D2DB6853DB83921@Iulius> <87eiucso2z.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87eiucso2z.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Possible typos Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:17:07 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 8472678274546138553 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.148.195 (aaubervilliers-151-1-37-195.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Russ, Thanks for your commits. >> By the way, why does "Supersedes" always begin with a capital? When >> we do not speak about the header, it should be a lower-case letter >> shouldn't it? For instance in 3.4, "which cancels or Supersedes >> another article". > > The RFC Editor noticed that too and lowercased it. I added a > parenthetical reference to the Supersedes header field, which is what I > was trying to reference in too subtle of a way. I see you added the reference once (that's fine -- no need to say it several times). >> Cancel control messages are not required to have the same Newsgroups >> header field as the messages they are cancelling and, since they are >> sometimes processed before the original message is received, it may not >> be possible to check that they do. >> >> "to check what they do"? "to check that"? > > Reworded, thanks. Your new wording is clearer, thanks! -- Julien ÉLIE « Je ne voudrais tout de même pas que Cléopâtre m'ait dans le nez ! » (César) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4RHDQap066473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 May 2009 10:13:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4RHDQIO066472; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:13:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4RHDE8O066424 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:13:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 23593 invoked by uid 503); 27 May 2009 18:09:52 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail140.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 18:09:52 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 17:13:11 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-37-195.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.148.195) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 27 May 2009 17:13:09 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <8F842516489F4CD5999449F5F5A651AD@Iulius><87zldm6lje.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <87my9m6kl9.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87my9m6kl9.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Tr: Injection-Info Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:13:07 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 8405124279789878713 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.148.195 (aaubervilliers-151-1-37-195.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: >> And Injection-Date: a sub-field of Injection-Info: (but maybe it was >> done this way because it was easier to parse in order to obtain the >> date?). > > Injection-Date is separate because it has a protocol purpose on transit > servers and the like. So it's the exact opposite of what I just wrote > above -- it *is* needed regularly, and hence it's in a separate field. OK, thanks Russ. -- Julien ÉLIE « Video meliora proboque deteriora sequor. » (Ovide) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4R4WMKO097598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4R4WMFT097597; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp3.stanford.edu (smtp3.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.83]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4R4WBU2097583 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp3.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 59FF51A01CC for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp3.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8A21A018E for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 20A6FE7935; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:11 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090527043211.20A6FE7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 @ 21:32:10 Author: eagle Revision: 5936 Additional update from the RFC Editor. Okay, they want to "abuse" seriesInfo for the publisher rather than using the ISBN. Works for me. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 21:03:16 UTC (rev 5935) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-27 04:32:10 UTC (rev 5936) @@ -2448,7 +2448,7 @@ - + Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QL3IQs070531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4QL3IjN070530; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QL3Hdq070523 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B34C418F833 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9871A18F7D1 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9309FE7935; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526210317.9309FE7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 @ 14:03:16 Author: eagle Revision: 5935 Also remove the ENTITY reference to the UUCP RFC. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 20:53:09 UTC (rev 5934) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 21:03:16 UTC (rev 5935) @@ -8,8 +8,6 @@ ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:53:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C42A18FB71 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EF618FD30 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C790EE7935; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526205310.C790EE7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 @ 13:53:09 Author: eagle Revision: 5934 The document is now the result of a twelve-year effort. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 20:52:34 UTC (rev 5933) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 20:53:09 UTC (rev 5934) @@ -2511,7 +2511,7 @@
- This document is the result of a ten-year effort and the number + This document is the result of a twelve-year effort and the number of people that have contributed to its content are too numerous to mention individually. Many thanks go out to all past and present members of the USEFOR Working Group of the Internet Engineering Task Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QKqlvM069814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4QKql4K069813; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QKqb7N069791 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id D67801707F6 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp2.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A481704C7 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0FFB3E7935; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:36 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526205236.0FFB3E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 @ 13:52:34 Author: eagle Revision: 5933 Change the UUCP reference to the O'Reilly book rather than the RFC for e-mail over UUCP (which isn't the protocol we're talking about). Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 20:38:28 UTC (rev 5932) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 20:52:34 UTC (rev 5933) @@ -219,8 +219,8 @@ The exact means used to transmit articles from one agent to another is not specified. NNTP is the most common transport mechanism for Netnews networks. Other - methods in use include the Unix-to-Unix Copy Protocol (UUCP) - + methods in use include the Unix-to-Unix Copy Protocol + (extensively used in the early days of Usenet) and physically delivered magnetic and optical media. Any mechanism may be used in conjunction with this protocol provided that it can meet the @@ -282,7 +282,6 @@ additional effects than those described below. Those effects are described in . -
There are two important principles that news implementors and administrators need to keep in mind. The first is the well-known @@ -1543,7 +1542,6 @@ -
The media type application/news-transmission is intended for the encapsulation of complete news articles where the intention is @@ -2124,8 +2122,8 @@ The ihave and sendme control messages implement a predecessor of the NNTP protocol. They are largely obsolete on the Internet but still see use in conjunction with - some transport protocols such as UUCP. News servers are not - required to support them. + some transport protocols such as UUCP . + News servers are not required to support them.
ihave and sendme control messages share similar syntax @@ -2414,7 +2412,6 @@ target="ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/FORMAT" /> - &rfc0976; &rfc1036; &rfc2045; &rfc2606; @@ -2431,7 +2428,7 @@ - + Usenet Best Practice + + + Managing UUCP and Usenet + + + + + + + + + +
Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QKcfOU068951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4QKcfUR068950; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QKcUk5068937 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DDC5C7F7 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp4.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A84FC4E3 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 15D97E7935; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:30 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526203830.15D97E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 @ 13:38:28 Author: eagle Revision: 5932 Updated version of the document from the RFC Editor. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 06:00:51 UTC (rev 5931) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 20:38:28 UTC (rev 5932) @@ -1530,7 +1530,7 @@ handled as application/octet-stream. Disposition should by default be inline. - Published specification: [SON-OF-1036], RFC 5537 + Published specification: RFC 1036, RFC 5537 Applications that use this media type: Some old mail and news user agents. @@ -1543,13 +1543,6 @@
-
The media type application/news-transmission is intended for @@ -1587,7 +1580,7 @@ the recipient host's system beyond just storage of the article. - Published specification: RFC 5537 + Published specification: RFC 1036, RFC 5537 Body part: A complete proto-article ready for injection into Netnews or an article @@ -1796,7 +1789,7 @@ which case all groups SHOULD be listed. Spaces are used in this example for formatting reasons. In - an actual message the newsgroup name and description MUST be + an actual message, the newsgroup name and description MUST be separated by one or more tabs (HTAB, ASCII %d09), not spaces.
@@ -1967,7 +1960,7 @@ Spaces are used in this example for formatting reasons. In - an actual message the newsgroup name and description MUST be + an actual message, the newsgroup name and description MUST be separated by one or more tabs (HTAB, ASCII %d09), not spaces.
@@ -2434,8 +2427,9 @@ fullname="Henry Spencer"> SP Systems - + + Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0hSTU072203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0hSR0072202; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0hS6d072195 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 09E3F1704DC for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp2.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB3E17033D for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C46A2E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:27 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526004327.C46A2E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 17:43:27 Author: eagle Revision: 5928 Further rewordings based on Charles's detailed reading and further RFC Editor discussion. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:31:32 UTC (rev 5927) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:43:27 UTC (rev 5928) @@ -640,9 +640,9 @@
Under some circumstances (for example, when posting to - multiple, supposedly disjoint, networks, when injecting + multiple, supposedly disjoint, networks, when using injecting agents with spotty connectivity, or when desiring - redundancy), a posting agent may wish to offer + additional redundancy), a posting agent may wish to offer the same article to multiple injecting agents. In this unusual case, the goal is not to create multiple independent articles but rather to inject the same article at multiple points and let @@ -1308,11 +1308,11 @@ An incoming gateway MUST NOT gate the same message twice. It may not be possible to ensure this in the face of mangling or modification of the message, but at the very least a gateway, - when given a copy of a message that it has already gated identically - except for trace header fields (like Received in Email or Path - in Netnews), MUST NOT gate the message again. An incoming - gateway SHOULD take precautions against having this rule - bypassed by modifications of the message that can be + when given a copy of a message that it has already gated and + that is identical except for trace header fields (like Received + in Email or Path in Netnews), MUST NOT gate the message again. + An incoming gateway SHOULD take precautions against having this + rule bypassed by modifications of the message that can be anticipated. News articles prepared by gateways MUST be valid news Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0aKmt071485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0aKn1071484; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0aJ0r071472 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 218E81705D4 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp2.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27A51705CE for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DD677E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:18 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Subject: Re: Use of message disposition notification In-Reply-To: (Charles Lindsey's message of "Thu\, 9 Apr 2009 14\:41\:34 GMT") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: <87bpr8cpyu.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> <96088B3EFAFE49899F643996FBEC91B5@Iulius> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:36:18 -0700 Message-ID: <871vqcsnst.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: "Charles Lindsey" writes: > Julien =C9LIE writes: >> By the way, as you speak about security considerations, I see that >> USEPRO references both pgpmoose and pgpverify. Wouldn't a note on >> Cancel-Lock be added in 6.1? ("Currently, many sites are ignoring >> all cancel control messages and Supersedes header fields due to the >> difficulty of authenticating them and their widespread abuse.") It >> could be said that Cancel-Lock might be used >> (draft-ietf-usefor-cancel-lock-01) and also NoCeM, which is more and >> more spread nowadays. > Cancel-Lock is not formally defined anywhere, hence I know of no > news-server that ever looks at it, although a few people add it in > hope :-). > Our original plan of work was that, when we were done with our present > drafts, the next jobs would be UTF-8 in newsgroup-names and a document > covering security matters - notably pgpmoose and pgpverify (which > really need to be unified) plus Cancel-Locks and, I would hope, > NoCeM. But those would rechartering, and the probability of that > happening is not, shall we say, too promising :-( . Unless someone feels very strongly otherwise, I'm going to bail on cancel lock for this document on those same "requires thought" grounds. The logical next step for Cancel-Lock would be to complete the work of publishing an RFC, which could then update this one and generate the right references in RFC listings. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0YheS071328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0YhOl071327; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp3.stanford.edu (smtp3.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.83]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0YhHD071321 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp3.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D78C1A0656 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp3.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D699F1A0651 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D1BC2E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:42 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Duties of agents as for obsolete control messages In-Reply-To: ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Wed\, 8 Apr 2009 20\:27\:26 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:34:42 -0700 Message-ID: <8763fosnvh.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > Shouldn't it be said something in the duties of injecting agents > (and maybe relaying?) as for obsolete control messages > like sendsys, version, whogets and senduuname (section 5.6)? > They SHOULD be rejected (?) Eh, I don't know. We say: The following control message types are declared obsolete by this document and SHOULD NOT be sent or honored: and I'm not sure I want to say more than that or call it out specifically for injecting agents. I think that most injecting agents currently don't think about control messages at all and just pass them along. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0X8hL071184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0X8Fl071183; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0X7mZ071173 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E76A18FAAE for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1141118F842 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0C88EE7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:07 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Archived-At: header field In-Reply-To: <1CAB722E203C456AB80B5905A7BAC6F7@Iulius> ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Wed\, 8 Apr 2009 20\:15\:06 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: <1CAB722E203C456AB80B5905A7BAC6F7@Iulius> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:33:07 -0700 Message-ID: <87ab50sny4.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > I see that RFC 5064 defines the Archived-At: header field for Netnews. > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5064.txt > > Shouldn't it be referenced somewhere in USEFOR? > (And maybe also in USEPRO? as a note in the gatewaying section?) I'm going to punt on this for this document. I think RFC 5064 is relatively clear, referencing it requires a bit of thought about how it might be used, and at this stage in the document publication I don't want to make changes that require a bit of thought. We're too likely to get them wrong. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0VZKZ071006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0VZsL071005; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0VXMw070998 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F05EC637 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp4.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F772C61A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6BFD5E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:33 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526003133.6BFD5E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 17:31:32 Author: eagle Revision: 5927 Add multiple minor typo fixes and clarifications. Examples showing newsgroup description information now include a specific note saying that the spaces are typographic and that in real messages tabs are required. Checkgroups update moderation status as well. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:19:41 UTC (rev 5926) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:31:32 UTC (rev 5927) @@ -959,7 +959,7 @@ A relaying agent accepts injected articles from injecting and other relaying agents and passes them on to relaying or serving agents. To avoid bypass of injecting agent policies and forgery - of Path and Injector-Info headers, relaying agents SHOULD accept + of Path and Injection-Info headers, relaying agents SHOULD accept articles only from trusted agents. An article SHOULD NOT be relayed unless the sending agent has @@ -1759,7 +1759,7 @@
- The content of the application/news-groupinfo body + The content of the application/news-checkgroups body part is defined as: @@ -1794,6 +1794,10 @@ is present, all groups that exist in that hierarchy MUST be listed unless its scope is limited by external information, in which case all groups SHOULD be listed. + + Spaces are used in this example for formatting reasons. In + an actual message the newsgroup name and description MUST be + separated by one or more tabs (HTAB, ASCII %d09), not spaces.
@@ -1961,6 +1965,11 @@ --nxtprt-- + + Spaces are used in this example for formatting reasons. In + an actual message the newsgroup name and description MUST be + separated by one or more tabs (HTAB, ASCII %d09), not + spaces. @@ -1986,7 +1995,8 @@ valid groups in a hierarchy with descriptions and moderation status. It requests that a news server update its valid newsgroup list for that hierarchy to include the groups specified, remove - any groups not specified, and update group descriptions to match + any groups not specified, and update group descriptions and + moderation status to match those given in the checkgroups control message. The syntax of its Control header field is: @@ -2213,9 +2223,10 @@ difficulty of authenticating them and their widespread abuse. Cancel control messages are not required to have the same - Newsgroups header field as the messages they are cancelling and, - since they are sometimes processed before the original message is - received, it may not be possible to check that they do. This + Newsgroups header field as the messages they are cancelling. + Since they are sometimes processed before the original message is + received, it may not be possible to check that the Newsgroup + header fields match. This allows a malicious poster to inject a cancel control message for an article in a moderated newsgroup without adding an Approved header field to the control message, and to hide malicious cancel Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0UDYA070864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0UDex070863; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0UCVm070856 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 674E618FADD for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3098E18FAC7 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2C3C7E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:12 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Possible typos In-Reply-To: <72C4E06ED8964D829D2DB6853DB83921@Iulius> ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Wed\, 8 Apr 2009 20\:24\:29 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: <72C4E06ED8964D829D2DB6853DB83921@Iulius> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:30:12 -0700 Message-ID: <87eiucso2z.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > Other typos: > > In 4.3: > The content of the application/news-groupinfo body part is defined as: > > It is application/news-checkgroups! Thanks, fixed. > In both 4.3 and 5.2.1.1, could it be said that in the examples, spaces > are used in newsgroups descriptions but that they are in fact tabs? Added. > In 5.2.3, as for a checkgroups control message: > > It requests a news server update its valid newsgroup list for that > hierarchy to include the groups specified, remove any groups not > specified, and update group descriptions to match those given in > the checkgroups control message. > > Could it be said "and update group descriptions as well as moderation > status to match those..."? Yes, good idea. Done. > In 5.3: > > The cancel control message requests that a target article be withdrawn > from circulation and access. > > In order to be consistent with the previous paragraphs, "that" should > not be added here after "requests" :) The RFC Editor apparently has their own style for this, and thats were added and changed all over the document for publication. I'm leaving all of that alone, since I have no strong opinions. :) > By the way, why does "Supersedes" always begin with a capital? When > we do not speak about the header, it should be a lower-case letter > shouldn't it? For instance in 3.4, "which cancels or Supersedes > another article". The RFC Editor noticed that too and lowercased it. I added a parenthetical reference to the Supersedes header field, which is what I was trying to reference in too subtle of a way. > In 6.1: > > Cancel control messages are not required to have the same Newsgroups > header field as the messages they are cancelling and, since they are > sometimes processed before the original message is received, it may not > be possible to check that they do. > > "to check what they do"? "to check that"? Reworded, thanks. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0JjcP069854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0JjHc069853; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0JiYa069847 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D008170549 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp2.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32C117054A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9D848E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:43 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526001943.9D848E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 17:19:41 Author: eagle Revision: 5926 Use ABNF syntax when discussing ASCII values when describing transport limitations. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:16:47 UTC (rev 5925) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:19:41 UTC (rev 5926) @@ -227,11 +227,11 @@ requirements specified here. Transports for Netnews articles MUST treat news articles as - uninterpreted sequences of octets, excluding the values 0 (which may - not occur in Netnews articles) and 13 and 10 (which MUST only appear - in Netnews articles as a pair in that order and which, together, - denote a line separator). These octets are the US-ASCII characters NUL, CR, and LF respectively. + uninterpreted sequences of octets, excluding the values %d00 (which + may not occur in Netnews articles), %d13, and %d10 (which MUST only + appear in Netnews articles as a pair in that order and which, + together, denote a line separator). These octets are the US-ASCII + characters NUL, CR, and LF respectively. NOTE: This corresponds to the range of octets permitted in MIME 8bit data . Transports for Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0GmVg069573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0GmhH069572; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0GmVm069564 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id DE41CC53C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp4.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BE7C508 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BEBDEE7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526001647.BEBDEE7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 17:16:47 Author: eagle Revision: 5925 Remove an incorrect !! from the example Path header field. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:12:22 UTC (rev 5924) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:16:47 UTC (rev 5925) @@ -454,7 +454,7 @@ agents. - Path: foo.isp.example!.SEEN.isp.example!!foo-news + Path: foo.isp.example!.SEEN.isp.example!foo-news !.MISMATCH.2001:DB:0:0:8:800:200C:417A!bar.isp.example !!old.site.example!barbaz!!baz.isp.example !.POSTED.dialup123.baz.isp.example!not-for-mail Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0CY38069187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q0CYsk069186; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu (smtp1.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.81]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q0CNet069108 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 81F24178411 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp1.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6636F17843F for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 18C53E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:23 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526001223.18C53E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 17:12:22 Author: eagle Revision: 5924 Remove the URL for the PGPMOOSE specification. It's not stable. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:11:49 UTC (rev 5923) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:12:22 UTC (rev 5924) @@ -2386,8 +2386,7 @@ - + PGP Moose @@ -2395,7 +2394,6 @@ - ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id DD1C418FA95 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C476418FA8C for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 88199E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526001150.88199E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 17:11:49 Author: eagle Revision: 5923 Following further discussion, remove RFC 1036 as a defining standard for application/news-transmission. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:03:29 UTC (rev 5922) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:11:49 UTC (rev 5923) @@ -1587,7 +1587,7 @@ the recipient host's system beyond just storage of the article. - Published specification: RFC 1036, RFC 5537 + Published specification: RFC 5537 Body part: A complete proto-article ready for injection into Netnews or an article Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q03VZs068248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4Q03Vx8068247; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (smtp4.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.84]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q03UMB068240 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp4.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 87AFAC5E3 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp4.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A8EC597 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 54592E7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:30 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090526000330.54592E7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 17:03:29 Author: eagle Revision: 5922 Reference VCHAR instead of utext, removing the last reference to RFC 2822. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-25 23:52:24 UTC (rev 5921) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-26 00:03:29 UTC (rev 5922) @@ -20,8 +20,6 @@ 'http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.2119.xml'> - SP = WSP = + VCHAR = argument = article-locator = @@ -171,7 +170,6 @@ display-name = local-part = mailbox = - utext = ]]> @@ -1681,7 +1679,7 @@ = eightbit-utext *( *WSP eightbit-utext ) moderation-flag = SP "(" %x4D.6F.64.65.72.61.74.65.64 ")" ; SPACE + case sensitive "(Moderated)" - eightbit-utext = utext / %d127-255 + eightbit-utext = VCHAR / %d127-255 @@ -2364,7 +2362,6 @@ &rfc2046; &rfc2119; - &rfc2822; &rfc5322; &rfc3629; &rfc4288; Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4PNqbTS067060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 May 2009 16:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4PNqb0n067059; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp3.stanford.edu (smtp3.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.83]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4PNqQ3Z067044 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:52:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp3.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id CF97C1A02B7 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp3.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689BF1A02AF for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3ED1FE7935; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org From: rra@stanford.edu Subject: Commit in docs/usefor (usepro.xml) User-Agent: svnlog/1.15 Message-Id: <20090525235225.3ED1FE7935@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Date: Monday, May 25, 2009 @ 16:52:24 Author: eagle Revision: 5921 The results of my editing pass following the RFC Editor editing pass. Restore the correct link for the pgpverify format (not the README for the software package). Add some minor tweaks and clarifications. Add RFC 1036 as a specification for application/news-transmission and allow our superseding status to disambiguate. Minimally wrap long lines so that the XML is still readable. Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml Modified: docs/usefor/usepro.xml =================================================================== --- docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-25 23:49:56 UTC (rev 5920) +++ docs/usefor/usepro.xml 2009-05-25 23:52:24 UTC (rev 5921) @@ -173,19 +173,6 @@ mailbox = utext = ]]> - - - @@ -234,7 +221,8 @@ The exact means used to transmit articles from one agent to another is not specified. NNTP is the most common transport mechanism for Netnews networks. Other - methods in use include the Unix-to-Unix Copy Protocol (UUCP) + methods in use include the Unix-to-Unix Copy Protocol (UUCP) + (extensively used in the early days of Usenet) and physically delivered magnetic and optical media. Any mechanism may be used in conjunction with this protocol provided that it can meet the @@ -273,10 +261,9 @@ agent, transferred through one or more relaying agents, accepted by a serving agent, and finally retrieved by a reading agent. Articles submitted to moderated groups go through an additional process, - which is described separately (see and Step 7 - of . - Finally, the additional duties and - requirements of a gateway are discussed. + which is described separately (see and + Step 7 of ). Finally, the additional + duties and requirements of a gateway are discussed. At each step, each agent has a set of checks and transformations of the article that it is required to perform. These are described @@ -617,19 +604,20 @@ Contrary to , which implies that the mailbox or mailboxes in the From header field should be that of - the poster or posters, - a poster who does not, for whatever + the poster or posters, a poster who does not, for whatever reason, wish to use his own mailbox MAY use any mailbox ending in the top-level domain ".invalid" . Posting agents meant for use by ordinary posters SHOULD reject - any attempt to post an article that cancels or supersedes another + any attempt to post an article that cancels or supersedes (via the + Supersedes header field) another article of which the poster is not the author or sender.
A proto-article is an article in the format used by a posting - agent when offering that article to an injecting agent. It may omit certain + agent when offering that article to an injecting agent. It may + omit certain header fields that can be better supplied by the injecting agent and will not contain header fields that are added by the injecting agent. A proto-article is only for transmission to an @@ -673,7 +661,7 @@ In some cases, offering the same proto-article to all injecting agents may not be possible (such as when - gatewaying -- after injection -- articles found on one Netnews network to + gatewaying, after injection, articles found on one Netnews network to another supposedly unconnected one). In this case, the posting agent MUST remove any Xref header field and rename or remove any Injection-Info, Path, and other trace header fields before @@ -700,7 +688,8 @@ moderated newsgroups in its Newsgroups header field SHOULD only be done by a moderator and MUST only be done after the proto-article has been approved for all moderated groups to - which it is to be posted and after it has an Approved header field (see + which it is to be posted and after an Approved header + field has been added (see ). Multiple injection of an unapproved article intended for moderated newsgroups will normally only result in the moderator receiving multiple copies, @@ -739,8 +728,8 @@ The Newsgroups header field SHOULD, by default, be inherited from the precursor's Followup-To header field if - present; otherwise, it is inherited from the precursor's Newsgroups - header field. + present; otherwise, it is inherited from the precursor's + Newsgroups header field. The Subject header field SHOULD, by default, be inherited from that of the precursor. The case-sensitive string @@ -981,8 +970,7 @@ field and at least one of the <dist-name>s in its Distribution header field (if present). Exceptionally, control messages creating or removing newsgroups (newgroup or rmgroup control - messages, for example) - SHOULD be relayed if the affected group + messages, for example) SHOULD be relayed if the affected group appears in its Newsgroups header field and both the sending and receiving relaying agents are configured to relay a newsgroup of that name (whether or not such a newsgroup exists). @@ -1010,7 +998,8 @@ If it implements one of the mechanisms described in , this means that it MUST reject any article whose date falls outside the cutoff interval since it - won't know whether or not such articles had been accepted previously. + won't know whether or not such articles had been accepted + previously. It SHOULD reject any article that does not include all the mandatory header fields. It MAY reject any article that @@ -1092,7 +1081,8 @@ If it implements one of the mechanisms described in , this means that it MUST reject any article whose date falls outside the cutoff interval since it - won't know whether or not such articles had been accepted previously. + won't know whether or not such articles had been accepted + previously. It SHOULD reject any article that matches an already-received and honored cancel message or Supersedes @@ -1286,12 +1276,10 @@ The message identifier of the news article should be preserved if at all possible, preferably as or within the corresponding unique identifier of the other - medium. However, if it is not preserved in this way, - then at least it should be preserved - as a comment in the message. This helps greatly with - preventing loops. + medium. However, if it is not preserved in this way, then at + least it should be preserved as a comment in the message. + This helps greatly with preventing loops. - The Date and Injection-Date of the news article should also be preserved if possible, for similar reasons. @@ -1353,7 +1341,8 @@ articles are bad enough; spews of control messages with special significance to the news system, possibly resulting in high processing load or even in emails being sent for - every message received, are catastrophic. It is far preferable to + every message received, are catastrophic. It is far + preferable to construct a system specifically for posting control messages that can do appropriate consistency checks and authentication of the originator of the message. @@ -1600,7 +1589,7 @@ the recipient host's system beyond just storage of the article. - Published specification: RFC 5537 + Published specification: RFC 1036, RFC 5537 Body part: A complete proto-article ready for injection into Netnews or an article @@ -1615,13 +1604,6 @@ - usage=moderate indicates the article is intended for a moderator, usage=inject for an injecting agent, and usage=relay for a relaying agent. The entity receiving the article may only @@ -1786,7 +1768,6 @@ checkgroups-body = *( valid-group CRLF ) valid-group = newsgroups-line ; see Section 4.2 - The same restrictions on charset, <newsgroup-name>, and @@ -1843,7 +1824,8 @@ header field starting with the string "cmsg " MUST NOT cause an article to be interpreted as a control message. Agents MAY reject an article that has such a Subject header field and no Control - header field as ambiguous. Likewise, the presence of a <newsgroup-name> + header field as ambiguous. Likewise, the presence of a + <newsgroup-name> ending in ".ctl" in the Newsgroups header field or the presence of an Also-Control header field MUST NOT cause the article to be interpreted as a control message. @@ -2402,13 +2384,11 @@ FlyDash, Inc. - + - @@ -2422,7 +2402,7 @@ + target="ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/FORMAT"> Signing Control Messages - + Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4CIbDun073322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 May 2009 11:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4CIbDfc073321; Tue, 12 May 2009 11:37:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4CIb1PV073307 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 11:37:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3E539E2B5 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:37:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nZMtnN2zXDGj for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:36:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.54] (162.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.162]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2702D39E1DD for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:36:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A09C1C8.1050502@alvestrand.no> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 20:36:56 +0200 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090318) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Usefor Mailing List Subject: [Fwd: Son-of-1036] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090908070805020409090403" Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090908070805020409090403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to keep everyone updated.... --------------090908070805020409090403 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Son-of-1036.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Son-of-1036.eml" Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes (Cyrus v2.2.13-Debian-2.2.13-13ubuntu3) with LMTPA; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:25:56 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBDC39E2A5 for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:25:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x6+2ja197CPx for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:25:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.6.8 Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net [79.135.125.112]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3436539E1DD for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 20:25:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster$pop3&clerew^man#ac^uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4a09bf2c.2803.19; Tue, 12 May 2009 19:25:48 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n4CIPjBg021842; Tue, 12 May 2009 19:25:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:25:45 +0100 To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: Son-of-1036 From: "Charles Lindsey" Cc: "Henry Spencer" , "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.25 (SunOS) I request publication of draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt as an Historic RFC. This draft, was written by Henry Spencer in June 1954, and subsequently revised by him, with my assistance with the detailed preparation, for publication as an Historic RFC. He will doubtless email you to confirm that this present request is made on his behalf. In its original form, this draft was widely circulated, and was influential in the development of the Netnews protocols at that time, and formed the starting point for the USEFOR Working Group whose own drafts are now in AUTH48 as RFCs 5536 and 5537 (I am myself a joint author of both of those). Although never formally published as an ID, let alone as an RFC, I understand that there are precedents for such publications with Historic status. The USEFOR WG had requested its publication some time back, in order that it could be referred to from within RFCs 5536 and 5537 (the only other current sources of the document are on private web sites which are not suitable for reference within an RFC). Lack of time prevented Henry from publishing it until I gave hiw a final prod, quite recently, and offered to do the grunt work in getting it out. This publication project has been discussed during the AUTH48 exchanges between the authors of 553[67] and yourself (more specifically with Alice Hagens and Stacy Burns), and the USEFOR WG has been given an opportunity to comment upon it (which resulted in a few minor nits easily handled during AUTH48). I hope it will be possible to get it quickly at least to the stage of being assigned an RFC number, so that it may then be referred to in 553[67]; it would also be convenient to give it an RFC number less than 5536, if such a number is still available. I can confirm that this draft has no IANA consequences (except insofar as some IANA templates currently attempt to reference it, though I am not sure that those references are necessary or correct). I have CCed this to Harald Alvestrand, the USEFOR WG Chair, in the hope that he can suggest suitable reviewers for this draft, should you require them. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131     Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk      Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9      Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 --------------090908070805020409090403-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4BGCW71073847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 11 May 2009 09:12:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n4BGCWBT073844; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:12:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net [79.135.125.112]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4BGCKSD073795 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 09:12:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster&pop3#clerew^man#ac^uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4a084e62.7b67.2e3 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:12:18 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n4BGC1Bw009525 for ; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:12:01 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n4BGC1JD009521 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 11 May 2009 17:12:01 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25065 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <200905071318.n47DIB2Q017698@clerew.man.ac.uk> <8C0C14278B2B4DB6963827FA3EECD66E@Iulius> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:44:01 GMT Lines: 27 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <8C0C14278B2B4DB6963827FA3EECD66E@Iulius> =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >I do not have much to say. Having skimmed through it, the only nits I see >are typos (missing double spaces after full dots in the first two pages -- >status of this memo, copyright and abstract). >I also see ". [RFC1036]" (p. 5, 16, 32, 58, 76) without a double space >and ".([RFC 977]" (page 34) without spaces at all. >I also noted in 6.5, page 42 "retrospect, , and". >I very probably have missed other things (not having read the whole draft). OK, those look like Nits to fix in AUTH48. I think I shall probably submit it to the RFC Editor tomorrow if I hear nothing further. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n49LJA3g037542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 9 May 2009 14:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n49LJAeq037541; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n49LIxrK037531 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:19:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id C6C7F3B6925 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCA23B6932 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 133E4E7935; Sat, 9 May 2009 14:18:58 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Tr: Injection-Info In-Reply-To: <87zldm6lje.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> (Russ Allbery's message of "Sat\, 09 May 2009 13\:58\:29 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: <8F842516489F4CD5999449F5F5A651AD@Iulius> <87zldm6lje.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 14:18:58 -0700 Message-ID: <87my9m6kl9.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Russ Allbery writes: > Julien =C9LIE writes: >> And Injection-Date: a sub-field of Injection-Info: (but maybe it was >> done this way because it was easier to parse in order to obtain the >> date?). > We were trying to avoid the current situation where there are > something like five different trace fields that different bits of > software fills out. Since you rarely need access to that information, > it seemed better to collapse it into one field that one could parse > when needed. Oh, sorry, I completely failed on that question. *heh* Injection-Date is separate because it has a protocol purpose on transit servers and the like. So it's the exact opposite of what I just wrote above -- it *is* needed regularly, and hence it's in a separate field. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n49KwfTi036600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 9 May 2009 13:58:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n49Kwfej036599; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:58:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n49KwUsB036593 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:58:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp2.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FB6C51C55A for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp2.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C70451C552 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 02A84E7935; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:58:30 -0700 (PDT) To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Re: Tr: Injection-Info In-Reply-To: <8F842516489F4CD5999449F5F5A651AD@Iulius> ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Sat\, 9 May 2009 19\:15\:53 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: <8F842516489F4CD5999449F5F5A651AD@Iulius> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 13:58:29 -0700 Message-ID: <87zldm6lje.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: > Just for your information (from news.software.nntp). > > It is true that > "Injection-Info: nowhere;posting-host=3Dlocalhost:::1" > is not pretty to read and "posting-host" could have been > shortened to "host"... I disagree on the name shortening; host is ambiguous about whether it means the posting host or the injecting host. I do agree that in retrospect, given the IPv6 address format, colon is an unfortunate separator, but I think it's probably too late to change it now and it's not ambiguous, just weird-looking. > And Injection-Date: a sub-field of Injection-Info: (but maybe it was > done this way because it was easier to parse in order to obtain the > date?). We were trying to avoid the current situation where there are something like five different trace fields that different bits of software fills out. Since you rarely need access to that information, it seemed better to collapse it into one field that one could parse when needed. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n49HInU9025499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 9 May 2009 10:18:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n49HInjR025497; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:18:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 39.mail-out.ovh.net (39.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.138.60]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n49HIbJJ025482 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:18:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 31121 invoked by uid 503); 9 May 2009 17:18:59 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail36.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 39.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 May 2009 17:18:58 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 May 2009 17:18:54 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.84.165) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 May 2009 17:18:51 -0000 Message-ID: <8F842516489F4CD5999449F5F5A651AD@Iulius> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Tr: Injection-Info Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:15:53 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 13473362711770889657 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.84.165 (amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Just for your information (from news.software.nntp). It is true that "Injection-Info: nowhere;posting-host=localhost:::1" is not pretty to read and "posting-host" could have been shortened to "host"... And Injection-Date: a sub-field of Injection-Info: (but maybe it was done this way because it was easier to parse in order to obtain the date?). Julien ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "D. Stussy" Groupes de discussion : news.software.nntp Envoyé : mercredi 29 avril 2009 00:55 Objet : Re: Injection-Info > "Russ Allbery" wrote in message > news:87r5zcu17j.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu... >> http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/usefor/drafts/draft-ietf-usefor-usefor-12.txt >> has the specification. (You can also get that I-D from a bunch of other >> places, including direct from the IETF, of course.) > > Q: Why is "Injection-Date" a separate header and not a sub-field of > "Injection-Info"? > > Also, under "Injection-Info" syntax: > > host-value = dot-atom-text / IPv4address / IPv6address / > (dot-atom-text ":" ( IPv4address / IPv6address )) > > If specifying both a hostname (as "dot-atom-text") and an IP address, why > not make the IP address a CWFS comment? I really don't like that colon as > IPv6 address literals may start with a double-colon, and the effective > triple-colon would look ugly. (OK, so maybe it shouldn't happen except for > localhost since IPv4-mapped and IPv4-compatible IPv6 addresses shouldn't be > sources, but the syntax doesn't forbid such.) > > e.g. "Injection-Info: nowhere;posting-host=localhost:::1" > vs. "Injection-Info: nowhere;posting-host=localhost (::1)" > > BNF: "/", not "|" in specifying an option (choose one of)? Hmmmm. > > In the "Injection-Info" parameters, do we really have to say "posting-host" > instead of just "host", and "posting-account" instead of just "account" (or > "acct")? Isn't that understood from the header itself? > > ------ > Another thought: If "Supersedes" must not exist with "Control" functions, > why not make the supersedes function itself a control function (i.e. > "supersedes" becomes a verb)? Won't that will prevent the problem? This > way, it also parallels the "cancel" operation (if that's still to be > supported). For backwards compatibility only, allow the separate header > (possibly having a server rewrite any "Supersedes: " header into > "Control: supersedes ", thus also removing any other "Control:" > header). Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n498cXeE093176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 9 May 2009 01:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n498cXTr093175; Sat, 9 May 2009 01:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 39.mail-out.ovh.net (39.mail-out.ovh.net [213.251.138.60]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n498cLCM093163 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 01:38:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 32564 invoked by uid 503); 9 May 2009 08:38:42 -0000 Received: from gw2.ovh.net (HELO mail170.ha.ovh.net) (213.251.189.202) by 39.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 May 2009 08:38:42 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 May 2009 08:38:17 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.84.165) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 9 May 2009 08:38:16 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: References: <497EF74B.2030600@alvestrand.no> <87skmxbol7.fsf_-_@windlord.stanford.edu><4740E8621A2B4EB3AC09EB5E11DC8CA6@Iulius> <877i0rqlfo.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <877i0rqlfo.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: ISSUE 1583 status Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:17:58 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 4681210338701475257 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.84.165 (amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Russ, > Existing checkgroups implementations will completely ignore the scope > syntax and process the checkgroups anyway. The backward compatibility > issue is that we have to be sure that nothing bad happens when they do > that. I don't remember the exact details, but I think we decided that > was why it was hard to do anything better than what we have here. OK, thanks. It is true that we currently have: checkgroups:control@cn-bbs.org:cn.bbs.*:verify-cn.bbs.admin.announce so including "cn.bbs" in this checkgroups will not be honoured. Only the checkgroups for "cn.*" can currently act upon "cn.bbs". -- Julien ÉLIE « Le travail est l'opium du peuple et je ne veux pas mourir drogué. » (Boris Vian) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n48MSNrm064819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 8 May 2009 15:28:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n48MSNk0064818; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:28:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (smtp5.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.85]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n48MSCds064796 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:28:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eagle@windlord.stanford.edu) Received: from smtp5.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 2689A3B699B for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) by smtp5.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94CB3B6865 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 971C9E7935; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:28:11 -0700 (PDT) To: Subject: Re: ISSUE 1583 status In-Reply-To: <4740E8621A2B4EB3AC09EB5E11DC8CA6@Iulius> ("Julien =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9LIE=22's?= message of "Fri\, 8 May 2009 12\:12\:11 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) References: <497EF74B.2030600@alvestrand.no> <87skmxbol7.fsf_-_@windlord.stanford.edu> <4740E8621A2B4EB3AC09EB5E11DC8CA6@Iulius> From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 15:28:11 -0700 Message-ID: <877i0rqlfo.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien =C9LIE writes: >> The first issue is that there's no method in the checkgroups syntax >> to delegate control over a newsgroup whose name matches the >> subhierarchy. I think we agreed that, yes, this is the case, and >> there's nothing we can really do about it at this stage and while >> still remaining backwards-compatible. > > Yet, checkgroups scope is new with USEPRO; it is not mentioned in RFC > 1036 or its son. So what is not backwards-compatible with it? It is > a new notion. Unless I missed something? Existing checkgroups implementations will completely ignore the scope syntax and process the checkgroups anyway. The backward compatibility issue is that we have to be sure that nothing bad happens when they do that. I don't remember the exact details, but I think we decided that was why it was hard to do anything better than what we have here. --=20 Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n48J02lw053998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 8 May 2009 12:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n48J02he053997; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:00:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 30.mail-out.ovh.net (30.mail-out.ovh.net [213.186.62.213]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n48Ixost053934 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:00:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 605 invoked by uid 503); 8 May 2009 18:59:59 -0000 Received: from gw2.ovh.net (HELO mail154.ha.ovh.net) (213.251.189.202) by 30.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 18:59:59 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 18:59:21 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.84.165) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 18:59:19 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <200905071318.n47DIB2Q017698@clerew.man.ac.uk> <8C0C14278B2B4DB6963827FA3EECD66E@Iulius> <4A0444A4.1040505@alvestrand.no> In-Reply-To: <4A0444A4.1040505@alvestrand.no> Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:57:11 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 9297399957832400313 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.84.165 (amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Harald, >> RFC 2822 (5322) does not allow "-0500 (EST)"; it is directly "(EST)", >> though obsolete. > > actually (EST) is considered a comment in 2822/5322, so it's perfectly legitimate. Oh, indeed, it is the famous CFWS (Comment Folding White Space). Thanks for your indication. -- Julien ÉLIE « Boire du café empêche de dormir. Par contre, dormir empêche de boire du café. » (Philippe Geluck) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n48EfwMI038028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 8 May 2009 07:41:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n48Efw5K038027; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:41:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n48Efkbp038018 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:41:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from harald@alvestrand.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F0339E25B; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:41:45 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jNJl9Jeh10Td; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:41:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.54] (162.80-203-220.nextgentel.com [80.203.220.162]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46B0E39E23F; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:41:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A0444A4.1040505@alvestrand.no> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 16:41:40 +0200 From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090318) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= CC: Usefor WG Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt References: <200905071318.n47DIB2Q017698@clerew.man.ac.uk> <8C0C14278B2B4DB6963827FA3EECD66E@Iulius> In-Reply-To: <8C0C14278B2B4DB6963827FA3EECD66E@Iulius> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Julien ÉLIE skrev: > > > It is amusing to see in the example 4.7: > > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 11:14:55 -0500 (EST) > > I thought there was a problem but I saw this syntax is valid and > defined in "Son of 1036": > > timezone = "UT" / "GMT" > / ( "+" / "-" ) hh mm [ space "(" zone-name ")" ] > > RFC 2822 (5322) does not allow "-0500 (EST)"; it is directly "(EST)", > though obsolete. actually (EST) is considered a comment in 2822/5322, so it's perfectly legitimate. Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n48AEqcW019011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 8 May 2009 03:14:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n48AEqYi019010; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:14:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n48AEpoH019002 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:14:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 24251 invoked by uid 503); 8 May 2009 10:58:49 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail92.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:58:49 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:14:50 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.84.165) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:14:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4740E8621A2B4EB3AC09EB5E11DC8CA6@Iulius> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: References: <497EF74B.2030600@alvestrand.no> <87skmxbol7.fsf_-_@windlord.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <87skmxbol7.fsf_-_@windlord.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: ISSUE 1583 status (was: Re: January: open issues on USEPRO) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:12:11 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 439100964735024569 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.84.165 (amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Russ, >>> 1583 USEPRO LC 5.2.3: Checkgroups control messages >>> Open. There may be multiple issues here. >>> No discussion with "1583" in the subject. > > The first issue is that there's no method in the checkgroups syntax to > delegate control over a newsgroup whose name matches the subhierarchy. I > think we agreed that, yes, this is the case, and there's nothing we can > really do about it at this stage and while still remaining > backwards-compatible. Yet, checkgroups scope is new with USEPRO; it is not mentioned in RFC 1036 or its son. So what is not backwards-compatible with it? It is a new notion. Unless I missed something? > I'm a little worried about this provision, > since after long periods of time and a change of hierarchy administration > it can be potentially difficult to uncover the previous serial number. > But I don't see a good alternative that preserves the serial number > semantics. > > The fourth issue is whether there should be a mechanism to reset the > serial number. I think we decided that we weren't going to specify one. A possibility would have been to do it in the headers of a new checkgroups (specifying it resets the previous serial number). This way, no missed "reset article". -- Julien ÉLIE « Boire du café empêche de dormir. Par contre, dormir empêche de boire du café. » (Philippe Geluck) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n48A5DZM017839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 8 May 2009 03:05:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n48A5Dl6017837; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:05:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 27.mail-out.ovh.net (27.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.30.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n48A51GY017809 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:05:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 20255 invoked by uid 503); 8 May 2009 10:48:59 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail92.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:48:58 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:04:59 -0000 Received: from amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@90.57.84.165) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 8 May 2009 10:04:56 -0000 Message-ID: <8C0C14278B2B4DB6963827FA3EECD66E@Iulius> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: <200905071318.n47DIB2Q017698@clerew.man.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200905071318.n47DIB2Q017698@clerew.man.ac.uk> Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:02:16 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 272186304513375673 X-Ovh-Remote: 90.57.84.165 (amontpellier-159-1-13-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, > http://www.imc.org/ietf-usefor/drafts/draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt. > > The intention it to leave it here for a few days so as to let people on > this list spot any nits in it. Then it will be submitted to the RFC-Editor > as an Historic RFC which can then be properly referred to from our two > main USEFPR and USEPRO documents (which are currently in AUTH 48). Thanks for that work! It is very useful to have such an historic RFC (which defines sendsys, whogets, version, with archaeological notes on A-News, etc.). Besides, "Son of 1036" was a must-have! I do not have much to say. Having skimmed through it, the only nits I see are typos (missing double spaces after full dots in the first two pages -- status of this memo, copyright and abstract). I also see ". [RFC1036]" (p. 5, 16, 32, 58, 76) without a double space and ".([RFC 977]" (page 34) without spaces at all. I also noted in 6.5, page 42 "retrospect, , and". I very probably have missed other things (not having read the whole draft). It is amusing to see in the example 4.7: Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 11:14:55 -0500 (EST) I thought there was a problem but I saw this syntax is valid and defined in "Son of 1036": timezone = "UT" / "GMT" / ( "+" / "-" ) hh mm [ space "(" zone-name ")" ] RFC 2822 (5322) does not allow "-0500 (EST)"; it is directly "(EST)", though obsolete. The part on transmission formats (rnews batches and encoded batches) is not dealt with by USEFOR. Is it totally dropped by the working group? (Not relevant, like UUCP?) Incidentally, the preface is pretty clear! A great work! -- Julien ÉLIE « Boire du café empêche de dormir. Par contre, dormir empêche de boire du café. » (Philippe Geluck) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n47DIVZO038740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 7 May 2009 06:18:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n47DIVMc038739; Thu, 7 May 2009 06:18:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net [79.135.125.40]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n47DIJLl038719 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 06:18:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chl@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster&pop3&clerew#man^ac#uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4a02df95.2fbc.cb for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:18:13 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n47DICgN017699 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:18:12 +0100 (BST) Received: (from chl@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n47DIB2Q017698; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:18:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:18:12 +0100 (BST) From: Charles Lindsey Message-Id: <200905071318.n47DIB2Q017698@clerew.man.ac.uk> To: "Usefor WG" Subject: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I am forwarding this to the Usefor WG because the drafts editor did not spot that it belonged here. I have also put it up at http://www.imc.org/ietf-usefor/drafts/draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt. I have been working with Henry Spencer on it over the past couple of weeks. The intention it to leave it here for a few days so as to let people on this list spot any nits in it. Then it will be submitted to the RFC-Editor as an Historic RFC which can then be properly referred to from our two main USEFPR and USEPRO documents (which are currently in AUTH 48). >From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt >Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Message-Id: <20090504231502.26B593A70B7@core3.amsl.com> >Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:15:02 -0700 (PDT) --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : "Son of 1036": News Article Format and Transmission Author(s) : H. Spencer Filename : draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt Pages : 91 Date : 2009-5-3 By the early 1990s it had become clear that RFC 1036, the then specification for the Interchange of USENET Messages, was badly in need of repair. This "INTERNET DRAFT to be", though never formally published at that time, was widely circulated and became the de facto standard for implementors of News Servers and User Agents, rapidly acquiring the nickname "Son of 1036". Indeed, under that name, it could fairly be described as the best-known Internet Draft (n)ever published, and it formed the starting point for the recently adopted Proposed Standards for Netnews. It is being published now in order to provide the Historical Background out of which those standards have grown. Present-day implementors should be aware that it is NOT NOW APPROPRIATE for use in current implementations. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-5-4161211.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt --NextPart-- -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5