From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Sat May 3 16:51:57 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08677 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 16:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h42KYmvD003853; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h42KYGJ0003847; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305022034.h42KYGJ0003847@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h42KYFvD003814 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucsc.edu (cats-mx2.ucsc.edu [128.114.129.35]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h42KYBsi015853 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:34:11 -0400 Received: from Tycho (dhcp-60-187.cse.ucsc.edu [128.114.60.187]) by ucsc.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id h42KX5i27163 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 13:33:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Whitehead" To: "'WebDAV'" Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 13:30:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UCSC-CATS-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: RE: Reminder: WG Last Call on Ordered Collections X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/AMEPKEBLDJJCCDEJHAMIAEBEHEAA.ejw@cse.ucsc.edu Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7605 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geoff writes: > The "principle of regularity" states that if a moved resource is moved to > the end of the ordering in some cases, it is more regular for it > to be moved to the end of the ordering in all cases, and not make the > behavior dependent on whether the destination collection is the same as > the source collection. > For folks that expect regularity, it will be "less astonishing" for the > behavior to be regular, and not special-cased in the way you suggest. We actually have two logical operations hiding under the name "MOVE". (a) One is a rename within a collection. (b) The other is a move (possibly also with a rename at the same time) to another collection. I don't think people would expect the same ordering behavior for (a) and (b), since they view them as different logical operations. - Jim From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Sun May 4 15:42:29 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05612 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h44JaQvD020626; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h44Ja0Vf020599; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 15:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305041936.h44Ja0Vf020599@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h44JZwvD020567 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h44JZvsi002573 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:35:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 11944 invoked by uid 65534); 4 May 2003 19:35:51 -0000 Received: from p3EE24720.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO lisa) (62.226.71.32) by mail.gmx.net (mp013-rz3) with SMTP; 04 May 2003 21:35:51 +0200 From: "Julian Reschke" To: "Jim Whitehead" , "'WebDAV'" Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:35:42 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Reminder: WG Last Call on Ordered Collections X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/JIEGINCHMLABHJBIGKBCKEJIHDAA.julian.reschke@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7606 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org > [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Jim Whitehead > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:30 PM > To: 'WebDAV' > Subject: RE: Reminder: WG Last Call on Ordered Collections > > > > Geoff writes: > > The "principle of regularity" states that if a moved resource is moved to > > the end of the ordering in some cases, it is more regular for it > > to be moved to the end of the ordering in all cases, and not make the > > behavior dependent on whether the destination collection is the same as > > the source collection. > > For folks that expect regularity, it will be "less astonishing" for the > > behavior to be regular, and not special-cased in the way you suggest. > > We actually have two logical operations hiding under the name "MOVE". > (a) One is a rename within a collection. (b) The other is a move (possibly > also with a rename at the same time) to another collection. > > I don't think people would expect the same ordering behavior for (a) and > (b), since they view them as different logical operations. Well, actually I *do* assume that MOVE behaves the same regardless the source collection (and I assume so is Geoff). To summarize: principles of "least surprise" or "regularity" do not seem to help us here -- they can be used to argue for both positions. As this is supposed to become a "proposed" standard only, we may want to delay this decision in order to gather more implementation experience (as far as I know currently there's only one single implementation). Therefore, my proposal is to leave this specific point undefined. We'd then still need to decide whether the spec should explicitly point out that the behaviour is server-dependant. Feedback appreciated. Regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Sun May 4 15:48:15 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05672 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h44Jl3vD021482; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h44JkZuB021428; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 15:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305041946.h44JkZuB021428@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h44JkYvD021396 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h44JkXsi004858 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 15:46:33 -0400 Received: (qmail 17337 invoked by uid 65534); 4 May 2003 19:46:27 -0000 Received: from p3EE24720.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO lisa) (62.226.71.32) by mail.gmx.net (mp021-rz3) with SMTP; 04 May 2003 21:46:27 +0200 From: "Julian Reschke" To: Cc: "Jim Whitehead" , "Lisa Dusseault" Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:46:15 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C31286.9660A6A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Status of PROPFIND allprop/include X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/JIEGINCHMLABHJBIGKBCIEJJHDAA.julian.reschke@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7607 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C31286.9660A6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, Lisa, in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2003JanMar/0073.html I tried to summarize the consensus of the attendees at the interim meeting regarding the allprop/include issue. 1) I'd like to confirm that this was the solution we agreed upon? 2) I'd like to gather feedback on how we proceed with this change. One approach (a) would be that I update http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-reschke-webdav-allprop-include-03.htm l with the new marshalling and let this be published as experimental RFC (the drawback being that it uses elements in the DAV: namespace, thus should really be a WG submission). Another approach (b) would be to start a new WG document, and try to get it published as "proposed standard" ASAP. What I really *don't* want to do is to wait for RFC2518bis, partly because it's unclear when we'll be done with it, and also because at that point of time we really should already have interoperable implementations of this. Regards, Julian ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C31286.9660A6A0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="w3c-dist-auth@w3.org from January to March 2003 Status of allp.url" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="w3c-dist-auth@w3.org from January to March 2003 Status of allp.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [DEFAULT] BASEURL=3Dhttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2003JanMar/00= 73.html [InternetShortcut] URL=3Dhttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2003JanMar/0073.h= tml Modified=3D9076F1B67412C301F7 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C31286.9660A6A0-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Mon May 5 12:56:02 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA07818 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45GtRvD004279; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h45GtDeP003994; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305051655.h45GtDeP003994@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45GtBvD003921 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucsc.edu (cats-mx1.ucsc.edu [128.114.129.36]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45Gt9c0009766 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:55:10 -0400 Received: from Tycho (dhcp-55-196.cse.ucsc.edu [128.114.55.196]) by ucsc.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id h45GrLb05218 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 09:53:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Whitehead" To: "WebDAV" Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:51:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-UCSC-CATS-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: FW: odd WebDAV problem with OS X X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/AMEPKEBLDJJCCDEJHAMIKEJLHEAA.ejw@cse.ucsc.edu Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7608 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Accidentally caught by the spam filter. - Jim -----Original Message----- From: Blanton, Jerry [mailto:Jerry.Blanton@cendant.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:01 AM To: 'w3c-dist-auth@w3.org' Subject: [Moderator Action] odd WebDAV problem with OS X Hi, Sorry to bother you about this but I've tried Googling for an answer and can't seem to find any mentions. I have WebDAV running successfully on Redhat 8 and can access enabled directories with no problems from Windows using Network Places. However, when I try to use OS X "connect to server", I can connect to the enabled directory but all subdirectories are named but not accessible (there is no folder icon and when the name of the subdir is clicked the listing disappears from the directory contents). I don't see any error report in httpd's logs to indicate what is going on. Windows has no problem accessing the subdirs. Have you heard of this? Thanks Jerry "The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's employer is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments." From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Mon May 5 12:57:28 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA07874 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45GxpvD006630; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h45Gxpf8006612; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305051659.h45Gxpf8006612@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45GxovD006580 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucsc.edu (cats-mx1.ucsc.edu [128.114.129.36]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45Gxnc0011734 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:59:50 -0400 Received: from Tycho (dhcp-55-196.cse.ucsc.edu [128.114.55.196]) by ucsc.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id h45Gvsb06895 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 09:57:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Whitehead" To: "'WebDAV'" Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:55:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: X-UCSC-CATS-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: RE: Reminder: WG Last Call on Ordered Collections X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/AMEPKEBLDJJCCDEJHAMIKEJMHEAA.ejw@cse.ucsc.edu Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7609 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Therefore, my proposal is to leave this specific point undefined. > We'd then still need to decide whether the spec should explicitly > point out that the behaviour is server-dependant. There doesn't appear to be consensus on this issue, hence we should leave it out of the spec. That said, given that we had discussion on this issue, it makes sense to try and capture some of that discussion in the specification, so that implementors aren't operating in a total vacuum on this issue. Minimally, the spec. should note that this behavior is intentionally undefined. - Jim From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Mon May 5 13:29:34 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08745 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45HVUvD018660; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h45HVRHN018609; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305051731.h45HVRHN018609@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45HVOvD018546 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out1.apple.com (mail-out1.apple.com [17.254.0.52]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45HVLc0024474 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:31:21 -0400 Received: from mailgate2.apple.com (A17-129-100-225.apple.com [17.129.100.225]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45HVG3h026109 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 10:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scv2.apple.com (scv2.apple.com) by mailgate2.apple.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 10:31:15 -0700 Received: from apple.com (luthji.apple.com [17.202.43.76]) by scv2.apple.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45HVEVW005866 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 10:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:30:51 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Jim Luther To: WebDAV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <51880988-7F1F-11D7-8600-0003934B6A22@apple.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: Re: FW: odd WebDAV problem with OS X X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/51880988-7F1F-11D7-8600-0003934B6A22@apple.com Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7610 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I responded to this off the mailing list. - Jim On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 09:51 AM, Jim Whitehead wrote: > > Accidentally caught by the spam filter. > > - Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blanton, Jerry [mailto:Jerry.Blanton@cendant.com] > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:01 AM > To: 'w3c-dist-auth@w3.org' > Subject: [Moderator Action] odd WebDAV problem with OS X > > > > > Hi, > > Sorry to bother you about this but I've tried Googling for an answer > and > can't seem to find any mentions. I have WebDAV running successfully on > Redhat 8 and can access enabled directories with no problems from > Windows > using Network Places. However, when I try to use OS X "connect to > server", > I can connect to the enabled directory but all subdirectories are > named but > not accessible (there is no folder icon and when the name of the > subdir is > clicked the listing disappears from the directory contents). I don't > see > any error report in httpd's logs to indicate what is going on. > Windows has > no problem accessing the subdirs. Have you heard of this? > > Thanks > > Jerry > > > "The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of > any > virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This > message > and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By > reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts > full > responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses > and > other defects. The sender's employer is not liable for any loss or > damage > arising in any way from this message or its attachments." > From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Tue May 6 15:30:12 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05352 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 15:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h46JTSvD004767; Tue, 6 May 2003 15:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h46JSliE004039; Tue, 6 May 2003 15:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305061928.h46JSliE004039@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h46JSgvD003776 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 15:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h46JSYc0010346 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 15:28:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 24382 invoked by uid 65534); 6 May 2003 19:28:28 -0000 Received: from p3EE24745.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO lisa) (62.226.71.69) by mail.gmx.net (mp015-rz3) with SMTP; 06 May 2003 21:28:28 +0200 From: "Julian Reschke" To: "Jim Whitehead" , "'WebDAV'" Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 21:28:26 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Reminder: WG Last Call on Ordered Collections X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/JIEGINCHMLABHJBIGKBCIEONHDAA.julian.reschke@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7611 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org > [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Jim Whitehead > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 6:56 PM > To: 'WebDAV' > Subject: RE: Reminder: WG Last Call on Ordered Collections > > > > > Therefore, my proposal is to leave this specific point undefined. > > We'd then still need to decide whether the spec should explicitly > > point out that the behaviour is server-dependant. > > There doesn't appear to be consensus on this issue, hence we should leave it > out of the spec. > > That said, given that we had discussion on this issue, it makes sense to try > and capture some of that discussion in the specification, so that > implementors aren't operating in a total vacuum on this issue. Minimally, > the spec. should note that this behavior is intentionally undefined. OK, can anybody suggest a short paragraph summarizing the situation? Regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Wed May 7 14:01:38 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA10372 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h47I41vD026403; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h47I3TRY026225; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305071803.h47I3TRY026225@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h47I3QvD026152 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h47I3Mc0007568 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:03:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 26804 invoked by uid 65534); 7 May 2003 16:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lisa) (217.5.201.10) by mail.gmx.net (mp018-rz3) with SMTP; 07 May 2003 18:41:01 +0200 From: "Julian Reschke" To: "Jim Whitehead" , "'WebDAV'" Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:41:00 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Reminder: WG Last Call on Ordered Collections X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/JIEGINCHMLABHJBIGKBCMECOHEAA.julian.reschke@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7612 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, here's the text I added to resolve this issue: "Note to implementors: this specification does not mandate a specific implementation of MOVE operations within the same parent collection. Therefore, servers may either implement this as a simple rename operation (preserving the collection member's position), or as a sequence of "remove" and "add" (causing the semantics of "adding a new member" to apply). Future revisions of this specification may specify this behaviour more precisely based on future implementation experience." Jim, could you please issue the "immediate call for rough consensus"? Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 > -----Original Message----- > From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org > [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Jim Whitehead > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 6:56 PM > To: 'WebDAV' > Subject: RE: Reminder: WG Last Call on Ordered Collections > > > > > Therefore, my proposal is to leave this specific point undefined. > > We'd then still need to decide whether the spec should explicitly > > point out that the behaviour is server-dependant. > > There doesn't appear to be consensus on this issue, hence we > should leave it > out of the spec. > > That said, given that we had discussion on this issue, it makes > sense to try > and capture some of that discussion in the specification, so that > implementors aren't operating in a total vacuum on this issue. Minimally, > the spec. should note that this behavior is intentionally undefined. > > - Jim > From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri May 9 06:28:04 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11630 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 06:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h49AUMTw026204; Fri, 9 May 2003 06:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h49AU7UW026198; Fri, 9 May 2003 06:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 06:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305091030.h49AU7UW026198@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h49AU6Tw026166 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 06:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.yco.de ([62.67.220.25]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h49AToc0017429 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 06:30:05 -0400 Received: from apissoft.com (p50851EC4.dip.t-dialin.net [80.133.30.196]) by mail1.yco.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA27B36690C for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 12:29:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EBB831B.6040505@apissoft.com> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:29:47 +0200 From: Michael Becker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: MSIE6SP1 and WebDAV X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/3EBB831B.6040505@apissoft.com Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7613 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, does anyone know what's wrong in this answer: **HTTP-recv(09.05.03/12:23:02.340293): PROPFIND / HTTP/1.1 Content-Language: en-us Accept-Language: de, en-us;q=0.5 Content-Type: text/xml Translate: f Depth: 0 Content-Length: 0 User-Agent: Microsoft Data Access Internet Publishing Provider DAV Host: 192.168.0.2:8484 Connection: Keep-Alive Authorization: Basic c3BpZGVyMzpzcGlkZXIz **HTTP-send(09.05.03/12:23:02.400466): HTTP/1.1 207 Multi-Status Cache-Control: no-cache Connection: Keep-Alive Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:23:02 GMT Server: Spider 4.1.3.2.1 (May 9 2003 12:22:28) Content-Type: text/xml; charset="utf-8" Content-Length: 430 / HTTP/1.1 200 OK / 2003-05-09T00:00:00 2003-05-09T00:00:00 en-us After getting the answer MSIE6 tells me, that it can't open / as a WebFolder. Regards: Michael From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri May 9 11:55:58 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA21085 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 11:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h49FsHhc015794; Fri, 9 May 2003 11:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h49FrmN5014830; Fri, 9 May 2003 11:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305091553.h49FrmN5014830@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h49Frkhc014789 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 11:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.xythos.com ([206.14.210.116]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h49Frfc0007158 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 11:53:41 -0400 Received: from ravms by mail.xythos.com with mail-ok (Exim 3.36 #3) id 19EABi-0004Va-00; Fri, 09 May 2003 15:53:34 +0000 Received: from [216.36.77.241] (helo=XythosLisa) by mail.xythos.com with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #3) id 19EABi-0004VP-00; Fri, 09 May 2003 15:53:34 +0000 From: "Lisa Dusseault" To: "'Michael Becker'" , Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:53:59 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c31643$34d48a30$f8cb90c6@XythosLisa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3EBB831B.6040505@apissoft.com> Importance: Normal Old-X-Envelope-To: mb@apissoft.com, w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: RE: MSIE6SP1 and WebDAV X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/001f01c31643$34d48a30$f8cb90c6@XythosLisa Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7614 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Web Folders requires some non-standard decoration of the PROPFIND response. It needs to know what format the date/time properties are in for some reason. You can PROPFIND to a free account sharemation to see how WFS made this work. Also I suspect getlastmodified is in the wrong format in the first place. Lisa > -----Original Message----- > From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org > [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Michael Becker > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:30 AM > To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org > Subject: MSIE6SP1 and WebDAV > > > > Hi, > > does anyone know what's wrong in this answer: > > **HTTP-recv(09.05.03/12:23:02.340293): > PROPFIND / HTTP/1.1 > Content-Language: en-us > Accept-Language: de, en-us;q=0.5 > Content-Type: text/xml > Translate: f > Depth: 0 > Content-Length: 0 > User-Agent: Microsoft Data Access Internet Publishing Provider DAV > Host: 192.168.0.2:8484 > Connection: Keep-Alive > Authorization: Basic c3BpZGVyMzpzcGlkZXIz > > **HTTP-send(09.05.03/12:23:02.400466): > HTTP/1.1 207 Multi-Status > Cache-Control: no-cache > Connection: Keep-Alive > Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:23:02 GMT > Server: Spider 4.1.3.2.1 (May 9 2003 12:22:28) > Content-Type: text/xml; charset="utf-8" > Content-Length: 430 > > > > > / > > HTTP/1.1 200 OK > > / > 2003-05-09T00:00:00 > 2003-05-09T00:00:00 > en-us > > > > > > > > After getting the answer MSIE6 tells me, that it can't open / as a > WebFolder. > > Regards: Michael > > From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Tue May 13 08:17:49 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA06254 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 08:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4DC4q9X012581; Tue, 13 May 2003 08:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4DC3rAw012469; Tue, 13 May 2003 08:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305131203.h4DC3rAw012469@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4DC3q9X012437 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 08:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4DC3ixi005298 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 08:03:51 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA05365; Tue, 13 May 2003 08:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200305131200.IAA05365@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:00:41 -0400 Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-ordering-protocol-08.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/200305131200.IAA05365@ietf.org Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7615 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the WWW Distributed Authoring and Versioning Working Group of the IETF. Title : WebDAV Ordered Collections Protocol Author(s) : E. Whitehead, J. Reschke Filename : draft-ietf-webdav-ordering-protocol-08.txt Pages : 43 Date : 2003-5-12 This specification extends the WebDAV Distributed Authoring Protocol to support server-side ordering of collection members. Of particular interest are orderings that are not based on property values, and so cannot be achieved using a search protocol's ordering option and cannot be maintained automatically by the server. Protocol elements are defined to let clients specify the position in the ordering of each collection member, as well as the semantics governing the ordering. Distribution of this document is unlimited. Please send comments to the Distributed Authoring and Versioning (WebDAV) working group at w3c-dist-auth@w3.org, which may be joined by sending a message with subject 'subscribe' to w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org. 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X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/AMEPKEBLDJJCCDEJHAMIAELPHGAA.ejw@cse.ucsc.edu Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7616 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C31AC3.93537150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Accidentally caught by the spam filter. - Jim -----Original Message----- From: Foot Fitness [mailto:footfitness@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:26 PM To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Cc: gstein@lyra.org Subject: [Moderator Action] WinProxy - does this support WebDAV protocols? Hello Greg Do you know if the proxy software 'WinProxy' by OSITIS supports WebDAV protocols? I'm having trouble getting .mac website features to work correctly through an older version of this proxy, and will upgrade to the latest version (5) if it supports WebDAV protocol. Otherwise I'll change to one you recommend on your site. Kind regards... ----- Rachael Bradhurst Foot Fitness 132 Kedron Brook Road Wilston Qld 4051 AUSTRALIA Tel: + 61 7 3856 1744 Fax: + 61 7 3356 1766 E-mail: rachael@footfitness.com www.footfitness.com Foot Fitness Pty Ltd provides specialised treatment of foot, leg and shoe problems. Our desire is to provide the best possible professional care using the latest technology and methods. We have helped thousands of patients to stand, walk and run without pain or problems. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C31AC3.93537150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Accidentally caught by the spam=20 filter.
 
-=20 Jim
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Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 = 5:26=20 PM
To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org
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Hello Greg

Do you = know if=20 the proxy software 'WinProxy' by OSITIS supports WebDAV = protocols?

I'm=20 having trouble getting .mac website features to work correctly through = an older=20 version of this proxy, and will upgrade to the latest version (5) if it = supports=20 WebDAV protocol. Otherwise I'll change to one you recommend on your=20 site.

Kind regards...

-----
Rachael Bradhurst
Foot=20 Fitness
132 Kedron Brook Road
Wilston  Qld =20 4051
AUSTRALIA

Tel:  + 61 7 3856 1744
Fax:  + 61 = 7 3356=20 1766
E-mail:  rachael@footfitness.com
www.footfitness.com

Foot=20 Fitness Pty Ltd provides specialised treatment of foot, leg and shoe=20 problems.  Our desire is to provide the best possible professional = care=20 using the latest technology and methods.  We have helped thousands = of=20 patients to stand, walk and run without pain or = problems.
------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C31AC3.93537150-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Thu May 15 12:32:13 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14445 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FGZH2g022964; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4FGZHDe022958; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305151635.h4FGZHDe022958@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FGZ72g022926 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucsc.edu (cats-mx2.ucsc.edu [128.114.129.35]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FGZ5xi020569 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:35:05 -0400 Received: from Tycho (dhcp-55-196.cse.ucsc.edu [128.114.55.196]) by ucsc.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id h4FGXji02452 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 09:33:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Whitehead" To: "WebDAV" Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:30:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-UCSC-CATS-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: Re: MSIE6SP1 and WebDAV X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/AMEPKEBLDJJCCDEJHAMIKEMAHGAA.ejw@cse.ucsc.edu Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7617 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Accidentally caught by the spam filter. - Jim -----Original Message----- From: news [mailto:news@main.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Martin Holz Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:42 AM To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Cc: holz@fiz-chemie.de Subject: [Moderator Action] Re: MSIE6SP1 and WebDAV Michael Becker writes: > Hi, > > does anyone know what's wrong in this answer: > HTTP/1.1 207 Multi-Status > Cache-Control: no-cache > Connection: Keep-Alive > Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:23:02 GMT > Server: Spider 4.1.3.2.1 (May 9 2003 12:22:28) > Content-Type: text/xml; charset="utf-8" > Content-Length: 430 > > > > > / > > HTTP/1.1 200 OK ^^^ > > / > 2003-05-09T00:00:00 > 2003-05-09T00:00:00 > en-us > > > > > > > > After getting the answer MSIE6 tells me, that it can't open / as a > WebFolder. > Appendix 23.1 from http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2518.txt says : The element status must occur after prop, not before. -- Martin Holz Softwareentwicklung / Vernetztes Studium - Chemie FIZ CHEMIE Berlin Franklinstrasse 11 D-10587 Berlin From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Thu May 15 12:36:24 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14542 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FGdS2g023767; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4FGdE8n023678; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305151639.h4FGdE8n023678@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FGdD2g023639 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h4FGdBxi021812 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:39:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 11905 invoked by uid 65534); 15 May 2003 16:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lisa) (217.5.201.10) by mail.gmx.net (mp019-rz3) with SMTP; 15 May 2003 18:39:06 +0200 From: "Julian Reschke" To: "WebDAV" Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:39:05 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: MSIE6SP1 and WebDAV X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/JIEGINCHMLABHJBIGKBCMEKNHFAA.julian.reschke@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7618 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: news [mailto:news@main.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Martin Holz > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:42 AM > To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org > Cc: holz@fiz-chemie.de > Subject: [Moderator Action] Re: MSIE6SP1 and WebDAV > > > > > Michael Becker writes: > > > Hi, > > > > does anyone know what's wrong in this answer: > > > HTTP/1.1 207 Multi-Status > > Cache-Control: no-cache > > Connection: Keep-Alive > > Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:23:02 GMT > > Server: Spider 4.1.3.2.1 (May 9 2003 12:22:28) > > Content-Type: text/xml; charset="utf-8" > > Content-Length: 430 > > > > > > > > > > / > > > > HTTP/1.1 200 OK > ^^^ > > > > / > > 2003-05-09T00:00:00 > > 2003-05-09T00:00:00 > > en-us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After getting the answer MSIE6 tells me, that it can't open / as a > > WebFolder. > > > > Appendix 23.1 from http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2518.txt > says : > > > > The element status must occur after prop, not before. No. Element order is irrelevant in WebDAV. The issue here are the broken timestamps. -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Thu May 15 15:16:13 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20214 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FJJG2g011791; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4FJIvU8011751; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305151918.h4FJIvU8011751@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FJIu2g011719 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.yco.de ([62.67.220.25]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FJIixi007283 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:18:53 -0400 Received: from apissoft.com (pD9521DFE.dip.t-dialin.net [217.82.29.254]) by mail1.yco.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C4D366918 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:18:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EC3E812.7010203@apissoft.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:18:42 +0200 From: Michael Becker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MSIE6SP1 and WebDAV X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/3EC3E812.7010203@apissoft.com Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7619 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, thanks for your help. The solution is a little bit more comlplex. MSIE6 needs extensions to the WebDAV standard. The following works: HTTP/1.1 207 Multi-Status Cache-Control: no-cache Connection: Keep-Alive Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:23:28 GMT Server: Spider 4.1.3.2.1 (May 15 2003 16:50:02) Content-Type: text/xml; charset="utf-8" Content-Length: 409 / HTTP/1.1 200 OK / 2003-05-09T08:00:00Z So MSIE is not standard compliant and also no WebDAV client. The same problem applies to all other MS products (Excel, Word, ...). Michael Julian Reschke wrote: >>From: news [mailto:news@main.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Martin Holz >>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:42 AM >>To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org >>Cc: holz@fiz-chemie.de >>Subject: [Moderator Action] Re: MSIE6SP1 and WebDAV >> >> >> >> >>Michael Becker writes: >> >> >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>does anyone know what's wrong in this answer: >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>HTTP/1.1 207 Multi-Status >>>Cache-Control: no-cache >>>Connection: Keep-Alive >>>Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:23:02 GMT >>>Server: Spider 4.1.3.2.1 (May 9 2003 12:22:28) >>>Content-Type: text/xml; charset="utf-8" >>>Content-Length: 430 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>/ >>> >>>HTTP/1.1 200 OK >>> >>> >>^^^ >> >> >>> >>>/ >>>2003-05-09T00:00:00 >>>2003-05-09T00:00:00 >>>en-us >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>After getting the answer MSIE6 tells me, that it can't open / as a >>>WebFolder. >>> >>> >>> >>Appendix 23.1 from http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2518.txt >>says : >> >> >> >>The element status must occur after prop, not before. >> >> > >No. Element order is irrelevant in WebDAV. > >The issue here are the broken timestamps. > >-- >bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 > > > > > From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Thu May 15 15:32:40 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA20707 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FJZh2g014697; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4FJZM5Q014662; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305151935.h4FJZM5Q014662@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FJZL2g014630 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h4FJZJxi011328 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:35:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 17676 invoked by uid 65534); 15 May 2003 19:35:15 -0000 Received: from pD950C27B.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO lisa) (217.80.194.123) by mail.gmx.net (mp015-rz3) with SMTP; 15 May 2003 21:35:15 +0200 From: "Julian Reschke" To: "Michael Becker" , Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:35:13 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3EC3E812.7010203@apissoft.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: MSIE6SP1 and WebDAV X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/JIEGINCHMLABHJBIGKBCOELJHFAA.julian.reschke@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7620 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org > [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Michael Becker > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:19 PM > To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org > Subject: Re: MSIE6SP1 and WebDAV > > > > Hi all, > > thanks for your help. The solution is a little bit more comlplex. > MSIE6 needs extensions to the WebDAV standard. The following works: > ... Please note that it's not IE, it's a specific DLL (MSDAIPP.DLL) that is shipping with various products in various versions (this explains why it affects both IE and Office). This particular problem (among others) is documented at: Regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Thu May 15 16:09:38 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA21634 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FKCf2g023186; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4FKCRap023089; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305152012.h4FKCRap023089@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FKCP2g023056 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucsc.edu (cats-mx2.ucsc.edu [128.114.129.35]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FKCNxi020924 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:12:23 -0400 Received: from Tycho (dhcp-55-196.cse.ucsc.edu [128.114.55.196]) by ucsc.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id h4FKB1i29803; Thu, 15 May 2003 13:11:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Whitehead" To: Cc: "WebDAV" , Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:08:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-UCSC-CATS-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: Consideration of WebDAV Ordered Collections Protocol as Proposed Standard X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/AMEPKEBLDJJCCDEJHAMIMENGHGAA.ejw@cse.ucsc.edu Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7621 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The WebDAV Working Group hereby requests consideration of the WebDAV Ordered Collections protocol as a Proposed Standard. The specification for this protocol can be found in : http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-webdav-ordering-protocol-08.t xt Abstract: This specification extends the WebDAV Distributed Authoring Protocol to support server-side ordering of collection members. Of particular interest are orderings that are not based on property values, and so cannot be achieved using a search protocol's ordering option and cannot be maintained automatically by the server. Protocol elements are defined to let clients specify the position in the ordering of each collection member, as well as the semantics governing the ordering. --------- It is my judgement that this specification represents the rough consensus of the WebDAV Working Group, having passed through a 4 week long working group last call for comments period, receiving only minimal comments (resolved in the current -08 specification). The specification resolves known engineering tradeoffs, and to the best of my knowledge, represents a solid basis for the construction of interoperable implementations. - Jim Whitehead Co-Chair, WebDAV Working Group From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Thu May 15 16:20:48 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA22044 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FKNp2g027186; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4FKNaaB027143; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305152023.h4FKNaaB027143@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FKNX2g027107 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com (numenor.qualcomm.com [129.46.51.58]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FKNVxi024228 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:23:32 -0400 Received: from sabrina.qualcomm.com (sabrina.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.12.9/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id h4FKNNXF025142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 15 May 2003 13:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.46.227.161] (carbuncle.qualcomm.com [129.46.227.161]) by sabrina.qualcomm.com (8.12.9/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id h4FKNLBC025704; Thu, 15 May 2003 13:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hardie@mage.qualcomm.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:23:20 -0700 To: "Jim Whitehead" , From: hardie@qualcomm.com Cc: "WebDAV" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: Re: Consideration of WebDAV Ordered Collections Protocol as Proposed Standard X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/p06001208bae9a740e96a@[129.46.227.161] Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7622 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Jim, Thanks for your message. I have updated the draft's status in the tracker to reflect the request for publication. If there are issues to resolve prior to last call, I will contact you and the working group; if not, the next step will be a two week IETF last call for proposed standard. regards, Ted Hardie At 1:08 PM -0700 5/15/03, Jim Whitehead wrote: >The WebDAV Working Group hereby requests consideration of the WebDAV Ordered >Collections protocol as a Proposed Standard. The specification for this >protocol can be found in : > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-webdav-ordering-protocol-08.t >xt > >Abstract: > >This specification extends the WebDAV Distributed Authoring Protocol >to support server-side ordering of collection members. Of particular >interest are orderings that are not based on property values, and so >cannot be achieved using a search protocol's ordering option and >cannot be maintained automatically by the server. Protocol elements >are defined to let clients specify the position in the ordering of >each collection member, as well as the semantics governing the >ordering. > >--------- > >It is my judgement that this specification represents the rough consensus of >the WebDAV Working Group, having passed through a 4 week long working group >last call for comments period, receiving only minimal comments (resolved in >the current -08 specification). The specification resolves known engineering >tradeoffs, and to the best of my knowledge, represents a solid basis for the >construction of interoperable implementations. > >- Jim Whitehead >Co-Chair, WebDAV Working Group From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Thu May 15 19:58:54 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA27866 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4G00H2g014788; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4FNxwQr014684; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305152359.h4FNxwQr014684@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FNxv2g014652 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccusgw1 (usmail.cocreate.com [63.119.136.74]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h4FNxuxi004436 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:59:56 -0400 Received: from 10.31.16.131 by ccusgw1 (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 15 May 2003 17:59:46 -0600 Received: from cocreate.us10.cocreate.com ([10.31.18.3]) by u10sm001.us10.cocreate.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JMWWCGKT; Thu, 15 May 2003 17:59:46 -0600 Received: from CoCreate.com (jthomp2.us10.cocreate.com [10.31.21.107]) by cocreate.us10.cocreate.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4FNxjx08759 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 17:59:50 -0600 Message-ID: <3EC429E6.9000306@CoCreate.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:59:34 -0600 From: Jeff Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: WEBDAV and server request time out X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/3EC429E6.9000306@CoCreate.com Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7623 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been looking into WEBDAV and trying to understand how we might make use of it. I've come up against an implementation issue that I have not been able to find much information on. I thought I might be able to get some enlightenment here. The issue concerns the uploading of very large files over slower connections (i.e., cable modem). Our web server has a default request timeout of 90 seconds. I know how to increase that. However, I heard some unsubstantiated rumor that increasing this very much comprises security. I have not been able to figure out the security implications of changing this value. I recognize that there are some potential Denial of Service attacks by allowing large files. A lengthly request timeout probably has some Denial of Service problems. What considerations might be involved in raising the timeout to handle large files? Is WEBDAV a viable solution for handling large files in these circumstances? Thanks, Jeff From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri May 16 03:34:59 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA15781 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4G7YF2g027550; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4G7XqqD027484; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 03:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305160733.h4G7XqqD027484@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4G7Xm2g027429 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greenbytes.de (mail.greenbytes.de [217.5.201.10] (may be forged)) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h4G7Xlxi007272 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:33:48 -0400 Received: from greenbytes.de ([192.168.1.23]) by greenbytes.de ([217.5.201.11]) with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.7.0.R) for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:33:20 +0200 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:33:19 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org To: Jeff Thompson From: Stefan Eissing In-Reply-To: <3EC429E6.9000306@CoCreate.com> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.1.23 X-Return-Path: stefan.eissing@greenbytes.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: WEBDAV and server request time out X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/AA34B523-8770-11D7-B1DE-00039384827E@greenbytes.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7624 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff, are you sure that the request timeout affects uploading of large files? Most timeout values reflect inactivity on the connection. So the timeout would strike when 90 seconds of inactivity are encountered. When uploading large files, this timeout should not cut the connection, as packets should continue to come, even from a slow connection, in smaller intervals than 90 seconds. Best Regards, Stefan Am Freitag, 16.05.03, um 01:59 Uhr (Europe/Berlin) schrieb Jeff Thompson: > > I've been looking into WEBDAV and trying to understand how we might > make use of it. I've come up against an implementation issue that I > have not been able to find much information on. I thought I might be > able to get some enlightenment here. > > The issue concerns the uploading of very large files over slower > connections (i.e., cable modem). > > Our web server has a default request timeout of 90 seconds. I know how > to increase that. However, I heard some unsubstantiated rumor that > increasing this very much comprises security. I have not been able to > figure out the security implications of changing this value. I > recognize that there are some potential Denial of Service attacks by > allowing large files. A lengthly request timeout probably has some > Denial of Service problems. > > What considerations might be involved in raising the timeout to handle > large files? > > Is WEBDAV a viable solution for handling large files in these > circumstances? > > Thanks, > > Jeff > From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Tue May 20 10:08:54 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA14228 for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 10:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4KEC02g024257; Tue, 20 May 2003 10:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4KEBVKT024195; Tue, 20 May 2003 10:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305201411.h4KEBVKT024195@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4KEBT2g024162 for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 10:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mucmx02.ixos.de ([149.235.31.93]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4KEBRxi004507 for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 10:11:28 -0400 Received: from muc-imc.ixos.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mucmx02.ixos.de (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h4KEBIRx008613 for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 16:11:21 +0200 (MEST) Received: by muc_mx.ixos.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 20 May 2003 16:13:43 +0200 Message-ID: <077097E85A6BD3119E910800062786A905121D5C@muc-mail5.ixos.de> From: Horst Liermann To: "'w3c-dist-auth@w3.org'" Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:13:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Error! Reference source not found.. X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/077097E85A6BD3119E910800062786A905121D5C@muc-mail5.ixos.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7625 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: In Draft "draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis-03.txt" there is the following text: While the status codes provided by HTTP/1.1 are sufficient to describe most error conditions encountered by WebDAV methods, there are some errors that do not fall neatly into the existing categories. New status codes developed for the WebDAV methods are defined in section 10, and existing HTTP status codes as used in WebDAV are described in section Error! Reference source not found.. I believe, "Error! Reference source not found.." should be the replaced by the section number. Regards Horst Liermann -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _ __ __ __ __ > | |\ \/ // \ / / Horst Liermann > | | \ // /\ \\ \ IXOS SOFTWARE AG > | | / \\ \ \ \\ \ Bretonischer Ring 12 > | |/ /\ \\ \/ /_\ \ D-85630 Grasbrunn > |_|_/ \_\\__/|___/ Germany > > http://www.ixos.de > > Phone: +49 (0)89 - 4629-1154 > Fax: +49 (0)89 - 4629-331154 Email: Horst.Liermann@ixos.de -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Tue May 20 21:52:39 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA08231 for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 21:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4L1qc2g019794; Tue, 20 May 2003 21:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4L1qUne019770; Tue, 20 May 2003 21:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305210152.h4L1qUne019770@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4L1qT2g019737 for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 21:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dell3.ma.utexas.edu (dell3.ma.utexas.edu [146.6.139.124]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4L1qSxi023431 for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 21:52:28 -0400 Received: from linux128.ma.utexas.edu (linux128.ma.utexas.edu [146.6.139.99]) by dell3.ma.utexas.edu (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h4L1qSN32039 for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 20:52:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:52:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Todd Gillespie X-X-Sender: toddg@linux128.ma.utexas.edu To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: debugging webdav on windows clients X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/Pine.LNX.4.50.0305202051230.12134-100000@linux128.ma.utexas.edu Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7626 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'm adding WebDAV support to nsd (AOLserver, check openacs.org for what we do with it). Windows 'Web Folders' are unable to map/connect/whathaveyou to my DAV enabled server, always responding only with: "System error 67 has occured." (which maps to "The network name cannot be found.", which is apparently a catchall for several kinds of errors.) How do I see how Windows parses the headers, XML response, etc and find out what's going wrong? Any help is greatly appreciated. ps. ethereal indicates that Windows does a netbios name lookup on my server, presumably after failing to connect over dav. From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Thu May 22 06:43:54 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA07609 for ; Thu, 22 May 2003 06:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4MAht2g017335; Thu, 22 May 2003 06:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4MAhKN7017026; Thu, 22 May 2003 06:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305221043.h4MAhKN7017026@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4MAhJ2g016991 for ; Thu, 22 May 2003 06:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server8.software-ag.de (server8.software-ag.de [193.26.193.23]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4MAhHxi026227 for ; Thu, 22 May 2003 06:43:18 -0400 Received: from daehub01.software-ag.de by server8.software-ag.de; (8.11.6/8.9.3) id h4MAhFh03034; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:43:15 +0200 Received: by daehub01.software-ag.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 22 May 2003 12:43:13 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Pill, Juergen" To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:42:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3204E.E7CC9C30" Subject: BIND response code 200 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/DFF2AC9E3583D511A21F0008C7E6210607B8ED3A@daemsg02.software-ag.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7627 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3204E.E7CC9C30 Content-Type: text/plain Hello, The BIND method will return 201, if the bind was created and 200 is the existing bind was overwritten. In case of overwrite; wouldn't a response code of 204 better comply with other commands in the WebDAV standard, e.g. PUT? Best regards, Juergen ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3204E.E7CC9C30 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BIND response code 200

Hello,

The BIND method will return 201, if the bind was created and 200 = is the existing bind was overwritten.

In case of overwrite; wouldn't a response code of 204 better comply with other commands in = the WebDAV standard, e.g. PUT?

Best regards,

Juergen


------_=_NextPart_001_01C3204E.E7CC9C30-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Thu May 22 10:48:12 2003 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [18.29.1.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA16834 for ; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4MEmD2g014138; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lists@localhost) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4MElsLM014102; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200305221447.h4MElsLM014102@frink.w3.org> Received: from tux.w3.org (tux [18.29.0.27]) by frink.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4MElr2g014059 for ; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.xythos.com ([206.14.210.116]) by tux.w3.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4MElqxi024402 for ; Thu, 22 May 2003 10:47:52 -0400 Received: from ravms by mail.xythos.com with mail-ok (Exim 3.36 #3) id 19IrMF-0004zX-00; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:47:51 +0000 Received: from [198.144.203.253] (helo=lisalap) by mail.xythos.com with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #3) id 19IrME-0004z9-00; Thu, 22 May 2003 14:47:50 +0000 From: "Lisa Dusseault" To: "'Pill, Juergen'" , Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:48:05 -0700 Message-ID: <049d01c32071$272befd0$fdcb90c6@lisalap> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_049E_01C32036.7ACD17D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Old-X-Envelope-To: Juergen.Pill@softwareag.com, w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: RE: BIND response code 200 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/049d01c32071$272befd0$fdcb90c6@lisalap Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7628 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_049E_01C32036.7ACD17D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good catch. I agree, 200 is best used when there's a body and 204 for no-body successes. Who knows, there may be minor glitches when a proxy = sees a 200 and no body (or Content-Length or Content-Type headers). =20 Lisa -----Original Message----- From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org] = On Behalf Of Pill, Juergen Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:43 AM To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: BIND response code 200 Hello, The BIND method will return 201, if the bind was created and 200 is the existing bind was overwritten. In case of overwrite; wouldn't a response code of 204 better comply with other commands in the WebDAV standard, e.g. PUT? Best regards, Juergen ------=_NextPart_000_049E_01C32036.7ACD17D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Good=20 catch.  I agree, 200 is best used when there's a body and 204 = for=20 no-body successes.  Who knows, there may be minor glitches when a = proxy=20 sees a 200 and no body (or Content-Length or Content-Type=20 headers).
 
Lisa
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From:=20 w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org] = On=20 Behalf Of Pill, Juergen
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 = 3:43=20 AM
To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org
Subject: BIND response = code=20 200

Hello,

The BIND method=20 will return 201, if the bind was created and 200 is the existing bind = was=20 overwritten.

In = case of=20 overwrite; wouldn't a response = code of 204=20 better comply with other=20 commands in the WebDAV=20 standard, e.g.=20 PUT?

Best=20 regards,

Juergen


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