From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 1 18:23:05 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA01506 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CDVlt-0003Rf-Sl for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:21:01 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CDVlm-0003QJ-Fq for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:20:54 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.de ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CDVlj-0004Iu-F9 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:20:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 28396 invoked by uid 65534); 1 Oct 2004 22:20:20 -0000 Received: from pD9FF01CA.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) (217.255.1.202) by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 02 Oct 2004 00:20:20 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <415DD81F.3060308@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 00:20:15 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Comments on draft-hildebrand-webdav-notify-00 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/415DD81F.3060308@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8892 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:21:01 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (see and : Introductory remark: I know little-to-nothing about XMPP and PUBSUB, but have some background on WebDAV. Please read the following with this in mind :-). Section 1.1, Rational The rational mentions email as potential notification mechanism. It claims that the natural WebDAV event payload using XML makes it a bad fit. I would assume that sending XML attachments by email is an absolutely natural thing to do. If email is used as example how not to do it, a stronger point should to be made (performance?). Section 1.2, Use cases The first one ("viewing" a folder) seems to match what Microsoft is doing in Exchange/Sharepoint (). Would it make sense to discuss about this approach somehwere? Section 1.5, PUBSUB terminology Is there a good summary of PUBSUB for people not knowing much about the spec (like me)? Section 2, Usage of namespaces I note that the spec is using XML namespaces properly (is uses valid namespace URIs, and doesn't put stuff into other people's namespaces). This is A Good Thing. However, I'm not sure why it introduces so many new namespaces. Is there any particular reason why the new properties can't all live in the same namespace? This may sound like nitpicking, but I'd really like to find out the motivation for this... Section 2.1, Notify property Nitpicking: the property value in the example is neither "true" nor "false" but " true " (whitespace in property values is significant). Not nitpicking: can't "notify" and "node" be rolled into a single property? Section 3.1, payload Editorial note: when talking of things defined in RFC2396, it always makes sense to refer to a specific grammar production to avoid confusion (some people believe a relativeURI is a URI, some don't :-). Maybe say "absoluteURI (see ...)" here. Section 3.1, MKCOL/PUT I think for those not familiar with XMPP/PUBSUB it would be nice to understand what benefit there is in re-using existing formats here (I'm sure there are!). For instance, what will a generic PUPSUB event receiver do with these events? Section 3.1, payload for UNLOCK The payload for UNLOCK needs to carry the lock token (you can have multiple shared locks on the same URI). Section 3.2, payload for LOCK "Note: A WebDAV service MAY send less information than shown above, and for security purposes SHOULD NOT include the element described in [WEBDAV]." Why would that be a security problem? In particular, if the server makes the locktoken visible in PROPFIND anyway, why should it remove it from the event notification? Section 3.3, payload for diffs Is there any extensibility planned for the "format" attribute? Section 3.5, copy/move s/body/both/ Q: how does this work for COPY/depth:infinity? The same way as for MOVE (that is, only one item needed?) What if a COPY or MOVE operation completes with errors (resources not moved or copied)? Section 4.5, Unlock I'm aware of the fact that the spec says to ignore whitespace in the XML examples (I'd prefer them to be rewritten such that this is irrelevant). Anyway, even ignoring whitespace, "opaquelocktoken:e71d4fae-5dec-22d6-\fea5-00a0c91e6be4" isn't a valid lock token (note the "\"). Section 6.2, References It would be nice if the GDIFF reference came with a URI. Same for XMPP-PUBSUB in section 6.1. Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Wed Oct 6 08:41:35 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19617 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CFB40-0002mN-C5 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:38:36 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFB40-0002lt-3T for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:38:36 +0000 Received: from imap.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFB3w-0003NV-Pj for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:38:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 14643 invoked by uid 65534); 6 Oct 2004 12:38:02 -0000 Received: from p50824516.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.18]) (80.130.69.22) by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 06 Oct 2004 14:38:02 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <4163E729.2000103@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:38:01 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: resolving REDIRECT issue lc-36-server X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/4163E729.2000103@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8893 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:38:36 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I just (hopefully) resolved that issue (). Those interested in this particular one (Yaron, still reading this?) please check the associated document changes. Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Wed Oct 6 09:13:32 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA22123 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CFBaR-0003bu-19 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:12:07 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFBaQ-0003b4-6P for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:12:06 +0000 Received: from pop.gmx.de ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFBaN-0002Kz-0o for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:12:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 10099 invoked by uid 65534); 6 Oct 2004 13:11:34 -0000 Received: from p50824516.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.18]) (80.130.69.22) by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 06 Oct 2004 15:11:34 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <4163EF04.10809@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:11:32 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: resolving REDIRECT issue lc-48-s6 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/4163EF04.10809@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8894 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:12:07 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, as far as I can tell, this issue has been resolved by prior edits on this section; thus I'm closing it (see ). Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Wed Oct 6 12:29:10 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA10645 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CFEdh-0003JO-NZ for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:27:41 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.40]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFEdh-0003Iq-EV for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:27:41 +0000 Received: from pop.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFEdh-0000ZI-3o for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:27:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 30251 invoked by uid 65534); 6 Oct 2004 16:27:08 -0000 Received: from p50824516.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.18]) (80.130.69.22) by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 06 Oct 2004 18:27:08 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <41641CDA.4080408@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:27:06 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (bart.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: resolving REDIRECT issue lc-33-forwarding X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/41641CDA.4080408@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8895 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:27:41 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, (see ) I have changed the text so that it always says "redirect" when we mean "redirect" and "forward" when we mean "forward". In the year 2000 (after the first last call for this spec), the WG decided also to add "redirect" and "forward" to the definitions under "terminology". Does anybody have good definitions that could go in here? Otherwise I'm tempted to leave it at that (after all, RFC2616 doesn't define "redirect" more precisely either). Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Wed Oct 6 13:41:10 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15982 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CFFky-0001Yr-Pw for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:39:16 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.40]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFFky-0001YN-Gh for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:39:16 +0000 Received: from pop.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFFky-0005Kc-58 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:39:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 12134 invoked by uid 65534); 6 Oct 2004 17:38:37 -0000 Received: from p50824516.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.18]) (80.130.69.22) by mail.gmx.net (mp014) with SMTP; 06 Oct 2004 19:38:37 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <41642D97.6060907@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:38:31 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (bart.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: looking for feedback on REDIRECT issue lc-57-noautoupdate X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/41642D97.6060907@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8896 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:39:16 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, see (). Back in 2000, Yaron Goland wrote that allowing a server to automatically update the target of a redirect ref can lead to surprising results. I agree with this statement, but as a matter of fact there are systems that actually *do* behave this way (one of which being one we implemented...). Also, the REDIRECT spec IMHO empower users to create, modify and discover HTTP redirects without putting too many constraints on how they actually behave once they've been created. Back in January I wrote: "I don't think we can forbid that. This spec consists of (a) clarifications of how a server that supports redirects should behave for specific WebDAV methods, and (b) extensions to explicitly create them (or to apply a method to the redirect itself). As such, we shouldn't add any requirements that HTTP doesn't add. What we could do is (1) note why auto-update may be a bad idea, and possibly (2) define that redirects created by MKREDIRECTREF should not behave that way (or alternatively define more specific resource types)." Today, I lean towards (1), that is we add a statement that redirects that change their link target automatically can cause confusion, but we do not forbid them. Unless somebody objects, I'll make that change in the next draft. Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Wed Oct 6 15:42:20 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA27688 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CFHe2-0005Sd-WE for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:40:15 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.40]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFHe2-0005S8-OM for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:40:14 +0000 Received: from imap.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFHe2-0001wk-DZ for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:40:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 15270 invoked by uid 65534); 6 Oct 2004 19:39:41 -0000 Received: from pD9FF0095.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) (217.255.0.149) by mail.gmx.net (mp011) with SMTP; 06 Oct 2004 21:39:41 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <416449FA.5080604@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:39:38 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (bart.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: new REDIRECT draft submitted (-09) X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/416449FA.5080604@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8897 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:40:14 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have submitted a new release of the REDIRECT draft, see (). Changes: Fix index entries for conditions. Open and resolve issue "specify_safeness". Rewrite editorial section and parts of intro. Add more clarifications for issue "lc-85-301" and close it. Note that this draft does *not* include the changes discussed today. Edits continue on , the current issues list can be found at . Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Wed Oct 6 15:53:04 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA29459 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CFHpD-000841-V7 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:51:47 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFHpD-00083S-PD for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:51:47 +0000 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFHpA-0003r2-GC for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:51:44 +0000 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA29196; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410061951.PAA29196@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:51:44 -0400 Received-SPF: none (lisa.w3.org: domain of dinaras@cnri.reston.va.us does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-redirectref-protocol-09.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/200410061951.PAA29196@ietf.org Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8898 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:51:47 +0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the WWW Distributed Authoring and Versioning Working Group of the IETF. Title : Web Distributed Authoring and Versioning (WebDAV) Redirect Reference Resources Author(s) : J. Whitehead, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-webdav-redirectref-protocol-09.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2004-10-6 This specification defines redirect reference resources. A redirect reference resource is a resource whose default response is an HTTP/1.1 3xx (Redirection) status code (see RFC2616, Section 10.3), redirecting the client to a different resource, the target resource. A redirect reference makes it possible to access the target resource indirectly, through any URI mapped to the redirect reference resource. There are no integrity guarantees associated with redirect reference resources. 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Lisa From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Thu Oct 7 10:00:03 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA16980 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CFYle-0001vR-CX for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:57:14 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFYle-0001uY-0G for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:57:14 +0000 Received: from imap.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFYla-0005JR-Ia for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:57:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 3982 invoked by uid 65534); 7 Oct 2004 13:56:40 -0000 Received: from p50825BFE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.18]) (80.130.91.254) by mail.gmx.net (mp013) with SMTP; 07 Oct 2004 15:56:40 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <41654B17.2000704@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:56:39 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Dusseault CC: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: <41642D97.6060907@gmx.de> <257A1170-17D6-11D9-9014-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> In-Reply-To: <257A1170-17D6-11D9-9014-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: looking for feedback on REDIRECT issue lc-57-noautoupdate X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/41654B17.2000704@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8900 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:57:14 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa Dusseault wrote: > > .... > >> What we could do is (1) note why auto-update may be a bad idea, and >> possibly (2) define that redirects created by MKREDIRECTREF should not >> behave that way (or alternatively define more specific resource types)." >> >> Today, I lean towards (1), that is we add a statement that redirects >> that change their link target automatically can cause confusion, but >> we do not forbid them. >> >> > That looks reasonable; I tend to lean even more towards making server > behavior consistent when possible, but if we can't do that in this case > we can at least provide guidance. OK, I added the following paragraph to the end of section 4: Implementation Note: Operations on the target of a redirect reference usually do not affect the redirect reference itself. However, clients should not rely on this behaviour (for instance, some servers may update redirect references as a result of namespace operations on the reference's target). () Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 8 10:03:17 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA25015 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CFvHy-0007gV-Gd for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:00:06 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFvHy-0007g1-1E for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:00:06 +0000 Received: from imap.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFvHu-00019P-GG for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:00:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 4220 invoked by uid 65534); 8 Oct 2004 13:59:33 -0000 Received: from p50824B0A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.18]) (80.130.75.10) by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 08 Oct 2004 15:59:33 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <41669D43.8060806@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 15:59:31 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: resolving REDIRECT issue 3-terminology-redirectref X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/41669D43.8060806@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8901 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:00:06 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, see (). Raised by myself: 'Consider global rename of "redirect reference resource" to "redirect resource".' I retract that proposal; it requires changes for no obvious advantage. Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 8 14:43:38 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20873 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CFzgk-0000tm-Ff for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:41:58 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.40]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFzgk-0000tD-6U for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:41:58 +0000 Received: from imap.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFzgj-00046h-Sc for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:41:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 5986 invoked by uid 65534); 8 Oct 2004 18:41:24 -0000 Received: from pD9FF05C7.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) (217.255.5.199) by mail.gmx.net (mp026) with SMTP; 08 Oct 2004 20:41:24 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <4166DF51.20301@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:41:21 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (bart.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: resolving REDIRECT issue 12.1-property-name X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/4166DF51.20301@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8902 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:41:58 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, see (): Raised by myself almost exactly one year ago: "Sync names for DAV:reftarget property and "Redirect-Ref" response headers." I retract that proposal (it's just a name, and the response header is used to detect *both* the type of the resource and it's target). Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Sat Oct 9 15:32:18 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA04832 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 15:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CGMuO-00083Y-6q for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 19:29:36 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGMuN-000830-TM for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 19:29:35 +0000 Received: from pop.gmx.de ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGMuK-0007K1-AH for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 19:29:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 32731 invoked by uid 65534); 9 Oct 2004 19:29:02 -0000 Received: from pD9E512DB.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) (217.229.18.219) by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 09 Oct 2004 21:29:02 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <41683BF2.6000809@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:28:50 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: resolving REDIRECT issue lc-58-update X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/41683BF2.6000809@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8903 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 19:29:36 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (see ) Here's a proposal for the missing update method, feedback appreciated: 7. UPDATEREDIRECTREF Method The UPDATEREDIRECTREF method requests the update of a redirect reference resource. If a UPDATEREDIRECTREF request fails, the server state preceding the request MUST be restored. Responses from a UPDATEREDIRECTREF request MUST NOT be cached, as UPDATEREDIRECTREF has non-safe semantics (see [RFC2616], section 9.1). Marshalling: The request body MUST be a DAV:updateredirectref XML element. See Section 5 for a definition of DAV:reftarget and DAV:redirect-lifetime. If no DAV:reftarget element is specified, the server MUST NOT change the target of the redirect reference. If no DAV:redirect-lifetime element is specified, the server MUST NOT change the lifetime of the redirect reference. If a response body for a successful request is included, it MUST be a DAV:updateredirectref-response XML element. Note that this document does not define any elements for the UPDATEREDIRECTREF response body, but the DAV:updateredirectref-response element is defined to ensure interoperability between future extensions that do define elements for the response body. Preconditions: (DAV:locked-update-allowed): if the resource is write-locked, then the appropriate token MUST be specified in an If request header. (DAV:must-be-redirectref): the resource identified by the request-URI must be a redirect reference resource as defined by this specification. (DAV:redirect-lifetime-supported): see Section 5. (DAV:redirect-lifetime-update-supported): servers MAY support changing the DAV:redirect-lifetime property; if they don't, this condition code can be used to signal failure. Postconditions: (DAV:redirectref-updated): the DAV:reftarget and DAV:redirect-lifetime properties of the redirect reference have been updated accordingly. 7.1 Example: Updating a Redirect Reference Resource with UPDATEREDIRECTREF >> Request: UPDATEREDIRECTREF /~whitehead/dav/spec08.ref HTTP/1.1 Host: www.example.com Apply-To-Redirect-Ref: T Content-Type: text/xml; charset="utf-8" Content-Length: xxx /i-d/draft-webdav-protocol-08b.txt >> Response: HTTP/1.1 200 OK This request has updated the redirect reference's DAV:reftarget property to "/i-d/draft-webdav-protocol-08b.txt", and has not changed the DAV:redirect-lifetime property value. Note that the "Apply-To-Redirect-Ref" request header must be used, otherwise the request would result in a redirect (3xx) response status. Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 15 03:28:25 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA01709 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 03:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CIMTD-0001zs-Ph for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:25:47 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.40]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIMTD-0001xv-BA for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:25:47 +0000 Received: from pop.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIMTD-00030p-0m for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:25:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 30704 invoked by uid 65534); 15 Oct 2004 07:25:15 -0000 Received: from p5485601C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) (84.133.96.28) by mail.gmx.net (mp007) with SMTP; 15 Oct 2004 09:25:15 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <416F7B53.6010807@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:25:07 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke CC: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: <200409291930.PAA02253@ietf.org> <415BAE53.6070306@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <415BAE53.6070306@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (bart.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-07.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/416F7B53.6010807@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8904 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:25:47 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julian Reschke wrote: > > OK, > > this new draft contains the changes made in the two previous weeks: > > 'A.5 Since draft-ietf-webdav-bind-06 > > Rewrite Editorial Note. Open and resolve issues "2.6_identical", > "specify_safeness_and_idempotence" and "ED_rfc2026_ref".' > > > As far as I am concerned (I know I'm speaking for the currently active > authors), this spec can be considered finished. There won't be any > progress anymore unless more people actually sit down and read it; and > the best way to achieve this is to actually issue the working group > last-call (as planned in the working group's charter for May). > > Lisa, Joe? > > Best regards, Julian Lisa, Joe, could you please be so kind to state why -- from the working groups chair's point of view -- the BIND spec hasn't been last-called yet. Whatever is blocking progress here, please state it so that the authors and the other members of the working group can help resolving it. Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 15 11:08:06 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA11435 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CITeg-0004JD-NP for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:06:06 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.40]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CITeg-0004Ij-3o for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:06:06 +0000 Received: from kahuna.osafoundation.org ([204.152.186.98]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CITef-0006rR-S5 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:06:06 +0000 Old-X-Envelope-From: lisa@osafoundation.org Old-X-Envelope-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([198.144.201.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by kahuna.osafoundation.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i9FF5qaA018412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:05:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: <416F7B53.6010807@gmx.de> References: <200409291930.PAA02253@ietf.org> <415BAE53.6070306@gmx.de> <416F7B53.6010807@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7FD1E16B-1EBB-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org From: Lisa Dusseault Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:04:23 -0700 To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Received-SPF: pass (bart.w3.org: domain of lisa@osafoundation.org designates 204.152.186.98 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-07.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/7FD1E16B-1EBB-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8905 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:06:06 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's now a machine and we've figured out how to set up Bugzilla as an issues tracker. Joe's in charge of this and we'd like to be able to track the resolution of issues to make last calls happen smoothly. They're in the process of figuring out what version of Bugzilla to install. Joe also looked into rt but ended up preferring bugzilla. Lisa On Oct 15, 2004, at 12:25 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > > Julian Reschke wrote: >> OK, >> this new draft contains the changes made in the two previous weeks: >> 'A.5 Since draft-ietf-webdav-bind-06 >> Rewrite Editorial Note. Open and resolve issues "2.6_identical", >> "specify_safeness_and_idempotence" and "ED_rfc2026_ref".' >> As far as I am concerned (I know I'm speaking for the currently >> active authors), this spec can be considered finished. There won't be >> any progress anymore unless more people actually sit down and read >> it; and the best way to achieve this is to actually issue the working >> group last-call (as planned in the working group's charter for May). >> Lisa, Joe? >> Best regards, Julian > > Lisa, Joe, > > could you please be so kind to state why -- from the working groups > chair's point of view -- the BIND spec hasn't been last-called yet. > Whatever is blocking progress here, please state it so that the > authors and the other members of the working group can help resolving > it. > > Best regards, Julian > > -- > bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 > From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 15 11:21:19 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA12222 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CITsW-0008UQ-CV for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:20:24 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.40]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CITsW-0008Tw-1G for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:20:24 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CITsV-0000ih-M9 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:20:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 5656 invoked by uid 65534); 15 Oct 2004 15:19:50 -0000 Received: from p50824AC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.18]) (80.130.74.193) by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 15 Oct 2004 17:19:50 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <416FEA93.4080905@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:19:47 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Dusseault CC: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: <200409291930.PAA02253@ietf.org> <415BAE53.6070306@gmx.de> <416F7B53.6010807@gmx.de> <7FD1E16B-1EBB-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> In-Reply-To: <7FD1E16B-1EBB-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (bart.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-07.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/416FEA93.4080905@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8906 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:20:24 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa Dusseault wrote: > > There's now a machine and we've figured out how to set up Bugzilla as an > issues tracker. Joe's in charge of this and we'd like to be able to > track the resolution of issues to make last calls happen smoothly. > They're in the process of figuring out what version of Bugzilla to install. > > Joe also looked into rt but ended up preferring bugzilla. OK, that's good to hear. I'm still not sure about why the existence of a specific bug tracking system is a prerequisite for even *reporting* issues; in fact I haven't seen that as a requirement in other working groups before. So unless somebody is actually reporting an issue with BIND (draft 07) on this mailing list, I'll continue to assume that there aren't any. On the other hand, if somebody actually *has* an issue, it would be nice to get it reported here, no matter whether that new tracking system is in place or not. Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 15 12:14:56 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA16860 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CIUhg-000700-DX for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:13:16 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIUhg-0006zW-1d for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:13:16 +0000 Received: from kahuna.osafoundation.org ([204.152.186.98]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIUhc-00037u-4h for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:13:12 +0000 Old-X-Envelope-From: lisa@osafoundation.org Old-X-Envelope-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([198.144.201.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by kahuna.osafoundation.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i9FGD5aA021227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:13:09 -0700 In-Reply-To: <416FEA93.4080905@gmx.de> References: <200409291930.PAA02253@ietf.org> <415BAE53.6070306@gmx.de> <416F7B53.6010807@gmx.de> <7FD1E16B-1EBB-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FEA93.4080905@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <13B4F2CD-1EC5-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org From: Lisa Dusseault Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:12:57 -0700 To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of lisa@osafoundation.org designates 204.152.186.98 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-07.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/13B4F2CD-1EC5-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8907 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:13:16 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be submitting a number of bind issues to the issues tracking database once it's up. Lisa On Oct 15, 2004, at 8:19 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Lisa Dusseault wrote: >> There's now a machine and we've figured out how to set up Bugzilla as >> an issues tracker. Joe's in charge of this and we'd like to be able >> to track the resolution of issues to make last calls happen smoothly. >> They're in the process of figuring out what version of Bugzilla to >> install. >> Joe also looked into rt but ended up preferring bugzilla. > > OK, that's good to hear. > > I'm still not sure about why the existence of a specific bug tracking > system is a prerequisite for even *reporting* issues; in fact I > haven't seen that as a requirement in other working groups before. > > So unless somebody is actually reporting an issue with BIND (draft 07) > on this mailing list, I'll continue to assume that there aren't any. > On the other hand, if somebody actually *has* an issue, it would be > nice to get it reported here, no matter whether that new tracking > system is in place or not. > > Best regards, Julian > > > -- > bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 15 12:18:44 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA17076 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CIUmM-00007h-Sx for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:18:06 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.40]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIUmM-000078-L4 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:18:06 +0000 Received: from pop.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIUmM-0002vG-8l for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:18:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 26757 invoked by uid 65534); 15 Oct 2004 16:17:33 -0000 Received: from p50824AC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.18]) (80.130.74.193) by mail.gmx.net (mp005) with SMTP; 15 Oct 2004 18:17:33 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <416FF81C.2050603@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:17:32 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Dusseault CC: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: <200409291930.PAA02253@ietf.org> <415BAE53.6070306@gmx.de> <416F7B53.6010807@gmx.de> <7FD1E16B-1EBB-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FEA93.4080905@gmx.de> <13B4F2CD-1EC5-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> In-Reply-To: <13B4F2CD-1EC5-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (bart.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-07.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/416FF81C.2050603@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8908 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:18:06 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa Dusseault wrote: > I'll be submitting a number of bind issues to the issues tracking > database once it's up. Shrug. It's still unclear to me why you aren't posting them here right away (or for that matter, haven't before). Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 15 13:21:27 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA22061 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CIVjx-0002xZ-SP for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:19:41 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIVjx-0002x5-G6 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:19:41 +0000 Received: from kahuna.osafoundation.org ([204.152.186.98]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIVjt-0005eI-I6 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:19:37 +0000 Old-X-Envelope-From: lisa@osafoundation.org Old-X-Envelope-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([198.144.201.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by kahuna.osafoundation.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i9FHJSaA024829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:19:31 -0700 In-Reply-To: <416FF81C.2050603@gmx.de> References: <200409291930.PAA02253@ietf.org> <415BAE53.6070306@gmx.de> <416F7B53.6010807@gmx.de> <7FD1E16B-1EBB-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FEA93.4080905@gmx.de> <13B4F2CD-1EC5-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FF81C.2050603@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5A388280-1ECE-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org From: Lisa Dusseault Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:19:20 -0700 To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of lisa@osafoundation.org designates 204.152.186.98 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-07.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/5A388280-1ECE-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8909 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:19:41 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are some of the issues I've posted before: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004AprJun/0016.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004AprJun/0014.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0154.html, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0146.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0149.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0140.html I know that you've answered these emails before, but that doesn't mean I consider the issues resolved. Joe's going to take care of resolving them since I wouldn't declare consensus on issues I raised unless it were overwhelmingly clear. I don't particularly want to discuss these now because we don't have the issue tracking DB up yet. Lisa On Oct 15, 2004, at 9:17 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Lisa Dusseault wrote: >> I'll be submitting a number of bind issues to the issues tracking >> database once it's up. > > Shrug. > > It's still unclear to me why you aren't posting them here right away > (or for that matter, haven't before). > > Best regards, Julian > > -- > bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 15 14:40:01 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA27489 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CIWy6-0004Ac-1h for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:38:22 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.40]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIWy5-0004A8-ME for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:38:21 +0000 Received: from imap.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIWy5-0008LO-D6 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:38:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 8713 invoked by uid 65534); 15 Oct 2004 18:37:48 -0000 Received: from p5485601C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) (84.133.96.28) by mail.gmx.net (mp021) with SMTP; 15 Oct 2004 20:37:48 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <417018FA.3030203@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:37:46 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Dusseault CC: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: <200409291930.PAA02253@ietf.org> <415BAE53.6070306@gmx.de> <416F7B53.6010807@gmx.de> <7FD1E16B-1EBB-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FEA93.4080905@gmx.de> <13B4F2CD-1EC5-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FF81C.2050603@gmx.de> <5A388280-1ECE-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> In-Reply-To: <5A388280-1ECE-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (bart.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-07.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/417018FA.3030203@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8910 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:38:22 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa Dusseault wrote: > > Here are some of the issues I've posted before: > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004AprJun/0016.html > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004AprJun/0014.html > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0154.html, > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0146.html > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0149.html > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0140.html > > I know that you've answered these emails before, but that doesn't mean I > consider the issues resolved. Joe's going to take care of resolving > them since I wouldn't declare consensus on issues I raised unless it > were overwhelmingly clear. I don't particularly want to discuss these > now because we don't have the issue tracking DB up yet. Thanks for putting those on the table; this allows us to at least proceed. I'll comment on them separately. I'm not sure why you don't want to discuss those though. IETF working groups by definition do their work on their respective mailing lists; whether or not a supporting bug tracking system (which will have to send change notifications to the mailing list anyway) is in place should not be relevant (although this probably will be helpful). BTW: issues do not get resolved by a specific person (not even one of the chairs), but by discussing them in the working group (== on the mailing list) until rough consensus is detected (and yes, the WG chair should try to decide when this consensus is reached). Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 15 14:45:00 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28355 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CIX3p-0005ws-UL for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:44:17 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.40]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIX3p-0005wO-MO for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:44:17 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIX3p-0000y4-Bu for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:44:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 12696 invoked by uid 65534); 15 Oct 2004 18:43:45 -0000 Received: from p5485601C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) (84.133.96.28) by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 15 Oct 2004 20:43:45 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <41701A5E.5030905@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:43:42 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Dusseault CC: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: <200409291930.PAA02253@ietf.org> <415BAE53.6070306@gmx.de> <416F7B53.6010807@gmx.de> <7FD1E16B-1EBB-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FEA93.4080905@gmx.de> <13B4F2CD-1EC5-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FF81C.2050603@gmx.de> <5A388280-1ECE-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> In-Reply-To: <5A388280-1ECE-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (bart.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: BIND issue COPY/MOVE on "same" resouece, was: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-07.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/41701A5E.5030905@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8911 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:44:17 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See . As far as I can tell, this was answered in and I can't see any posting in which somebody was rejecting these explanations, so I have to assume that there was consensuns that this isn't a problem and no change is required. Please let me know a) if they haven't (in which case I'd like to see answers to the two replies) and/or b) whether the explanations should be added to the BIND issues list. Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 15 14:50:17 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28676 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CIX8q-0007Uq-W3 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:49:28 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIX8q-0007UG-OV for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:49:28 +0000 Received: from pop.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIX8m-0001P2-O9 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:49:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 361 invoked by uid 65534); 15 Oct 2004 18:48:55 -0000 Received: from p5485601C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) (84.133.96.28) by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 15 Oct 2004 20:48:55 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <41701B90.30508@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:48:48 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Dusseault CC: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: <200409291930.PAA02253@ietf.org> <415BAE53.6070306@gmx.de> <416F7B53.6010807@gmx.de> <7FD1E16B-1EBB-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FEA93.4080905@gmx.de> <13B4F2CD-1EC5-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FF81C.2050603@gmx.de> <5A388280-1ECE-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> In-Reply-To: <5A388280-1ECE-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: BIND issue permissions, was: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-07.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/41701B90.30508@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8912 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:49:28 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See . These were indeed two questions which I tried to answer in . Summary: 1) BIND and UNBIND require the ACL privileges DAV:bind and DAV:unbind. Nobody objected to the statement that this is kind of obvious and doesn't need to be stated explicitly. 2) I did not understand the second part of the issue and asked for an explanation that was never supplied. As far as I can tell, part 1 has been resolved, while part 2 is on hold until there's an explanation of what the issue actually is. Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 15 14:56:23 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28948 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CIXEo-0001gz-Vr for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:55:38 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIXEo-0001gU-OJ for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:55:38 +0000 Received: from kahuna.osafoundation.org ([204.152.186.98]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIXEk-0002ap-Ru for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:55:35 +0000 Old-X-Envelope-From: lisa@osafoundation.org Old-X-Envelope-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([198.144.201.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by kahuna.osafoundation.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i9FItWaA001062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:55:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: <417018FA.3030203@gmx.de> References: <200409291930.PAA02253@ietf.org> <415BAE53.6070306@gmx.de> <416F7B53.6010807@gmx.de> <7FD1E16B-1EBB-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FEA93.4080905@gmx.de> <13B4F2CD-1EC5-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FF81C.2050603@gmx.de> <5A388280-1ECE-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <417018FA.3030203@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org From: Lisa Dusseault Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:55:22 -0700 To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of lisa@osafoundation.org designates 204.152.186.98 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-07.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/C4663DD5-1EDB-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8913 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:55:38 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 15, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > > > I'm not sure why you don't want to discuss those though. IETF working > groups by definition do their work on their respective mailing lists; > whether or not a supporting bug tracking system (which will have to > send change notifications to the mailing list anyway) is in place > should not be relevant (although this probably will be helpful). > I am quite willing to discuss these on the list, what I said was that I wasn't interested in discussing them on the list now (not until Joe's ready to monitor the issue discussions and track issues and declare consensus.) Lisa From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 15 15:00:36 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA29141 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CIXIv-0003P7-Ib for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:59:53 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIXIv-0003OT-Ap for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:59:53 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.de ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIXIr-0003Ca-6v for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:59:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 3834 invoked by uid 65534); 15 Oct 2004 18:59:21 -0000 Received: from p5485601C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) (84.133.96.28) by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 15 Oct 2004 20:59:21 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <41701E05.5060703@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:59:17 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Dusseault CC: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: <200409291930.PAA02253@ietf.org> <415BAE53.6070306@gmx.de> <416F7B53.6010807@gmx.de> <7FD1E16B-1EBB-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FEA93.4080905@gmx.de> <13B4F2CD-1EC5-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FF81C.2050603@gmx.de> <5A388280-1ECE-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> In-Reply-To: <5A388280-1ECE-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: BIND issue "binding properties", was: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-07.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/41701E05.5060703@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8914 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:59:53 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See and . As far as I understand, this issue is about the BIND spec being incompatible with servers that vary the value of a property based on the request-URI to which a PROPFIND request was applied. The authors feel that properties are part of the state of the resource, and all the BIND spec defines are additional access paths to the same resource. Thus, property values should not vary based on the request-URI. If a particular server (such as the Microsoft servers mentioned in Lisa's mail) behave differently, they'll have to make changes if they *also* want to support the BIND protocol (as far as I can tell, there are no plans to do that, so I don't think we should worry about that). In the discussion thread (), I see three people agreeing (Geoff, Jason and myself) and nobody supporting Lisa's point of view, so, as far as I can tell, there was a rough consensus that this isn't a problem at *that* point of time. Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 15 15:30:03 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA02057 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CIXkK-00075f-2D for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:28:12 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIXkJ-00074X-Po for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:28:11 +0000 Received: from pop.gmx.de ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIXkF-0007Ds-NE for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:28:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 8014 invoked by uid 65534); 15 Oct 2004 19:27:38 -0000 Received: from p5485601C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) (84.133.96.28) by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 15 Oct 2004 21:27:38 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <417024A7.4040700@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:27:35 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Dusseault CC: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: <200409291930.PAA02253@ietf.org> <415BAE53.6070306@gmx.de> <416F7B53.6010807@gmx.de> <7FD1E16B-1EBB-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FEA93.4080905@gmx.de> <13B4F2CD-1EC5-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> <416FF81C.2050603@gmx.de> <5A388280-1ECE-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> In-Reply-To: <5A388280-1ECE-11D9-B361-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: BIND issue "locking", was: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-07.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/417024A7.4040700@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8915 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:28:12 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See and . This is in fact *the* permathread which is IMHO caused by the fact that the locking semantics in RFC2518 are underspecified (because of which the working group has produced a summary of locking semantics that should go into RFC2518bis which is called "GULP", latest version at ). As far as I can tell from re-reading the whole thread, there was nobody (except Lisa) particulary asking for adding LOCK clarifications into the BIND spec itself, because these clarifications are needed completely independantly of BIND. So they should either appear in RFC2518bis or in a separate WebDAV locking spec (as suggested and demonstrated by myself). To summarize: this is not really an issue with the BIND spec, but with how this working group is approaching the various locking related problems in RFC2518. My (latest) summary about this issue can be found in and I think it would be good if the working group would finally start a discussion about it: "As far as I can tell, the only remaining open question is whether RFC2518's treatment of locks is sufficient to explain the relation betweem (multiple) bindings and locks. The (active) authors of the spec (Geoff and myself) agree that the BIND spec is compatible with what RFC2518 says about locks, and no further clarification is stricly required. Note that RFC2518 already talks about locking "replicated resources" (), so this has been explicitly planned for even back then. The important fact here being that multiple bindings to a resource and locks are already compatible, and nothing needs to ne explicitly changed for that. Now, how should that spec proceed? There seem to be several options, including: #1) Just release the BIND spec as is (that is, immediately do a WG last call), #2) Add locking specific clarifications to BIND, then release it, #3) Release the BIND spec with a normative reference to RFC2518bis (essentially delaying it until RFC2518bis is finished) or #4) Extract locking out of RFC2518bis into a separate spec, resolve all open locking-related issues, and submit this as a new specification (updating RFC2518) for publication as a proposed standard (note there's a long summary about this option posted by me in April (!): ). Note that none of these open locking issues (those listed on RFC2518's issues list at actually has *anything* to do with the relation to multiple bindings). BIND then can either be released independantly or with a normative reference to that new spec. Personally I see nothing wrong with option #1. Several implementors already have BIND working experimentally as defined in the spec (for instance Apache Slide and SAP in Netweaver). More people seem to look at it but may be waiting for it to become an RFC. Unless there's an actual risk of people misunderstanding BIND and lock interactions (something we *could* take care of on this mailing list), having possible lock clarifications appear in something published slightly later doesn't seem to be any problem at all. #2 IMHO would be an *extremely* bad idea, because it would duplicate specification text in several specs, so spec revisions either need to be 100% compatible with it; or BIND would soon need to be updated itself by these revisions. So there'd be additional work and risk of being inconsistent with very little gain. Remember that support for multiple bindings and locking are completely separate things (you can have multiple bindings on a server without locking support because locking is an *optional* WebDAV feature). #3 makes sense if RFC2518bis is actually going to be finished anytime soon. I made my contribution by pushing for resolutions for almost all locking-related questions; but it's up to the authors to give an estimate about when it can be done. (I'll try to review the new draft before next week; and it would be good if others would do that as well). #4 is the option I've been working on the last three months (HTML: , TXT: , issues list: ). As far as I'm concerned, this spec is almost done (with the notable exception of finding the right place for the GULP summary and discussing the locking-related questions of "If" header semantics). Even if the working group decides not to adopt this as a WG document, the effort still will have been worth it for the progress we've been making on open locking issues. Of course I personally would like to see this to be used as a basis for a new specification so that the locking feature can be removed from RFC2518bis. This would actually make it *easier* for RFC2518bis to progress to a "draft" standard, because it would be significanly simplified. In the case the WG makes that decision, I'll happily work together with volunteers to finish this as a working group document." I still think that no harm is done by just releasing BIND with no changes (option #1) -- as a matter of fact it represents the consensus of various implementors *and* running code. This way we get the top priority from our working group's agenda done, and we can concentrate on the next steps (being RFC2518bis and the RDEDIRECT spec). Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 15 15:49:52 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA04004 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CIY3t-0007K4-64 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:48:25 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIY3q-0007JU-Nw for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:48:22 +0000 Received: from bandage.seagull.net ([67.136.24.2]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIY3m-0000x8-4o for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:48:18 +0000 Received: (mail@localhost) by bandage.seagull.net (8.12.10) id i9FJmJHA005854 sender ccjason@us.ibm.com for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:48:19 -0700 Received: from e6.ny.us.ibm.com (e6.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.106]) by bandage.seagull.net (8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9FJmHBS005803 sender ccjason@us.ibm.com; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:48:18 -0700 Received: from northrelay04.pok.ibm.com (northrelay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.206]) by e6.ny.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i9FJm4sZ658148; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:48:04 -0400 Received: from d01ml604.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by northrelay04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i9FJnJR2100218; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:49:19 -0400 To: Julian Reschke Cc: nnw3c-dist-auth___at___w3.org@smallcue.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Jason Crawford Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:48:01 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML604/01/M/IBM(Release 6.51HF643 | October 13, 2004) at 10/15/2004 15:48:03, Serialize complete at 10/15/2004 15:48:03 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 006BE44E85256F2E_=" Received-SPF: none (lisa.w3.org: domain of ccjason@us.ibm.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: BIND issue "binding properties", was: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-07.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/OFA78DA8D0.434EE4F3-ON85256F2E.006B105C-85256F2E.006CC0F2@us.ibm.com Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8916 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:48:25 +0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006BE44E85256F2E_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > See > > and > . > > In the discussion thread > ( >), > I see three people agreeing (Geoff, Jason and myself) and nobody > supporting Lisa's point of view, so, as far as I can tell, there was a > rough consensus that this isn't a problem at *that* point of time. Seeing my name here prompted me to think about what my position is. I came up with it and then checked the thread and I pretty much agree with what I said in the thread. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0164.html I'd only add, that we can define an extension later that clarifies when/how properties can change by URL. But I don't think we need that now and I think we're better off not adding it right now. Until we/someone do/does, people implementing bind should be trying real hard not to vary properties by URL. --=_alternative 006BE44E85256F2E_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"


> See
> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0154.html>
> and
> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0146.html>.
>
> In the discussion thread
> (<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/thread.html#154
> >),
> I see three people agreeing (Geoff, Jason and myself) and nobody
> supporting Lisa's point of view, so, as far as I can tell, there was a
> rough consensus that this isn't a problem at *that* point of time.

Seeing my name here prompted me to think about what my position is.  I came
up with it and then checked the thread and I pretty much agree with what I
said in the thread.

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0164.html

I'd only add, that we can define an extension later that clarifies when/how
properties can change by URL.  But I don't think we need that now and I think
we're better off not adding it right now.  Until we/someone do/does, people
implementing bind should be trying real hard not to vary properties
by URL.

--=_alternative 006BE44E85256F2E_=-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Fri Oct 15 15:59:50 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05194 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CIYE8-0002rO-CG for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:59:00 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIYE7-0002oQ-U7 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:58:59 +0000 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.101]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIYE4-0002Dz-3j for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:58:56 +0000 Received: from northrelay04.pok.ibm.com (northrelay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.206]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/NS PXFA) with ESMTP id i9FJwSrZ413566 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:58:28 -0400 Received: from d01ml261.pok.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by northrelay04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i9FJxgR2097362 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:59:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: " webdav" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 Message-ID: From: Geoffrey M Clemm Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:58:26 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML261/01/M/IBM(Release 6.51HF642 | October 12, 2004) at 10/15/2004 15:58:28, Serialize complete at 10/15/2004 15:58:28 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 006DB85B85256F2E_=" Received-SPF: none (lisa.w3.org: domain of geoffrey.clemm@us.ibm.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: BIND issue "binding properties", was: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-07.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/OF4598890D.02E93A1D-ON85256F2E.006D2009-85256F2E.006DB85E@us.ibm.com Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8917 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:59:00 +0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006DB85B85256F2E_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I agree with Jason and Julian. I believe that there was rough consensus on this resolution, by any reasonable definition of rough consensus (in this case, agreement by every working group member that participated in the discussion, other than the working group member that raised the issue). Cheers, Geoff Jason wrote on 10/15/2004 03:48:01 PM: > > See > > > > and > > . > > > > In the discussion thread > > ( auth/2004JanMar/thread.html#154 > > >), > > I see three people agreeing (Geoff, Jason and myself) and nobody > > supporting Lisa's point of view, so, as far as I can tell, there was a > > rough consensus that this isn't a problem at *that* point of time. > > Seeing my name here prompted me to think about what my position is. I came > up with it and then checked the thread and I pretty much agree with what I > said in the thread. > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0164.html > > I'd only add, that we can define an extension later that clarifies when/how > properties can change by URL. But I don't think we need that now and I think > we're better off not adding it right now. Until we/someone do/does, people > implementing bind should be trying real hard not to vary properties > by URL. --=_alternative 006DB85B85256F2E_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
I agree with Jason and Julian.  I believe that there was rough
consensus on this resolution, by any reasonable definition of
rough consensus (in this case, agreement by every working group
member that participated in the discussion, other than
the working group member that raised the issue).

Cheers,
Geoff

Jason wrote on 10/15/2004 03:48:01 PM:

> > See
> > <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0154.html>
> > and
> > <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0146.html>.
> >
> > In the discussion thread
> > (<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-
> auth/2004JanMar/thread.html#154
> > >),
> > I see three people agreeing (Geoff, Jason and myself) and nobody
> > supporting Lisa's point of view, so, as far as I can tell, there was a
> > rough consensus that this isn't a problem at *that* point of time.
>
> Seeing my name here prompted me to think about what my position is.  I came
> up with it and then checked the thread and I pretty much agree with what I
> said in the thread.
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2004JanMar/0164.html
>
> I'd only add, that we can define an extension later that clarifies when/how
> properties can change by URL.  But I don't think we need that now and I think
> we're better off not adding it right now.  Until we/someone do/does, people
> implementing bind should be trying real hard not to vary properties
> by URL.
--=_alternative 006DB85B85256F2E_=-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Sat Oct 16 11:59:32 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28123 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CIqvY-0002H3-4K for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:57:04 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.40]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIqvX-0002GU-L4 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:57:03 +0000 Received: from kahuna.osafoundation.org ([204.152.186.98]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIqvX-0006kh-EF for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:57:03 +0000 Old-X-Envelope-From: lisa@osafoundation.org Old-X-Envelope-To: Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([198.144.201.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by kahuna.osafoundation.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i9GFuvaA030419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:56:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: webdav From: Lisa Dusseault Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:56:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Received-SPF: pass (bart.w3.org: domain of lisa@osafoundation.org designates 204.152.186.98 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: WebDAV server for IETF X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/FA49C232-1F8B-11D9-AC2A-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8918 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:57:04 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought I sent an announcement to this mailing list a while back but I guess it never went through... Jim Whitehead & I, with help from Sung Kim and Greg Stein and Marshall Rose, have set up a WebDAV server for IETF working groups to use for collaboration. The site is or . Most paths on the server, e.g. support WebDAV methods. The only exception is the path , which is the path to a Web-based GUI. The server software is Xythos WebFile Server, provided free for this site by Xythos Software, Inc. . The software supports RFC2518 (WebDAV) including locking, RFC3253 (versioning), RFC3744 (access control) and more. The site hosting is free from UCSC. (The machine hardware was purchased by me, so I'd be happy to take donations until that cost is somewhat defrayed.) Currently I'm managing site administration, which means I am setting up accounts and creating directories. I've started working on drafts there myself -- for example, I collaborate with my co-authors on CalDAV by using the server. Lisa From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Tue Oct 19 13:50:31 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA21833 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CJy5l-0007VJ-2u for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:48:13 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CJy5k-0007Up-NJ for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:48:12 +0000 Received: from pop.gmx.de ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CJy5g-0005HI-GI for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:48:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 8474 invoked by uid 65534); 19 Oct 2004 17:47:37 -0000 Received: from p508257BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.18]) (80.130.87.190) by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 19:47:37 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <41755336.90006@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:47:34 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: <41683BF2.6000809@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <41683BF2.6000809@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: resolving REDIRECT issue lc-58-update X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/41755336.90006@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8919 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:48:13 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julian Reschke wrote: > > (see > ) OK, I did some more minor edits (mainly reshuffled sections so that MKREDIRECTREF and UDATEREDIRECTREF can come back-to-back). I haven't done a trial implementation of UPDATEREDIRECTREF yet though, so we may need some more minor clarifications at a later point. The main issue that's left is the question how to treat old clients, summarized in . I think this should be left to another iteration of the draft, so unless somebody objects, I'll submit this draft so that we have an up-to-date version published before the cut-off-date next week. Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Wed Oct 20 21:04:18 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA00071 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CKRKk-0001RZ-SA for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:01:38 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.40]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKRKk-0001R5-D4 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:01:38 +0000 Received: from exchange.webb.net ([207.182.164.133] helo=ossex1.ossinc.net) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKRKk-0001Df-89 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:01:38 +0000 Received: by corp.webb.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:56:57 -0600 Message-ID: <8D96EDA0AC04D31197B400A0C96C14800E2C69E8@corp.webb.net> From: Joe Hildebrand To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:56:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: none (bart.w3.org: domain of JHildebrand@jabber.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: WebDAV at IETF 61 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/8D96EDA0AC04D31197B400A0C96C14800E2C69E8@corp.webb.net Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8920 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:01:38 +0000 I've just asked for a slot for us in DC. Does anyone want to propose agenda items? Here are a couple that I'd like to propose: - Final discussion on BIND. Let's push this out. - Redirect: any discussion needed - 2518bis: status report - Status of drafts of note for the working group: + PATCH + Quota + Property datatyping + SEARCH + CalDAV + WebDAV-events If possible, I'd like for authors of the outstanding documents to attend, so that anything that is discussed can be incorporated into his/her thought process. -- Joe Hildebrand From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Thu Oct 21 04:27:49 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA21236 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 04:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CKYGq-0002AO-K7 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:26:04 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKYGn-00029u-7C for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:26:01 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKYGi-0006lJ-Ti for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:25:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 26613 invoked by uid 65534); 21 Oct 2004 08:25:28 -0000 Received: from p54856A68.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) (84.133.106.104) by mail.gmx.net (mp019) with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 10:25:28 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <4177726B.4060303@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:25:15 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Hildebrand CC: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: <8D96EDA0AC04D31197B400A0C96C14800E2C69E8@corp.webb.net> In-Reply-To: <8D96EDA0AC04D31197B400A0C96C14800E2C69E8@corp.webb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: WebDAV at IETF 61 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/4177726B.4060303@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8921 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:26:04 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe Hildebrand wrote: > I've just asked for a slot for us in DC. I will not be able to attend that meeting physically, but I'll try the text conferencing. Generally, for those who need to do travel planning and booking, it would be extremely helpful to know about an upcoming meeting longer in advance. > Does anyone want to propose agenda items? Here are a couple that I'd like > to propose: > > - Final discussion on BIND. Let's push this out. I'd prefer to do it on the mailing list. Looking back at the previous meetings, none of the active draft contributors attended the meeting physically (except the WG chairs), so no actual progress was made that way. > - Redirect: any discussion needed > - 2518bis: status report > - Status of drafts of note for the working group: > + PATCH > + Quota > + Property datatyping > + SEARCH > + CalDAV > + WebDAV-events > > If possible, I'd like for authors of the outstanding documents to attend, so > that anything that is discussed can be incorporated into his/her thought > process. As far as the drafts that I author are concerned, I'll post a summary in time before the meeting. I'd also like to ask the authors of other drafts to actually follow-up to the feedback that was sent to the mailing list in response to their drafts being published. Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Thu Oct 21 07:55:33 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA08664 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CKbWE-00063Q-GB for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:54:10 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.40]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKbWE-00062r-0s for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:54:10 +0000 Received: from e5.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.105]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKbWD-0008EX-SX for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:54:09 +0000 Received: from northrelay04.pok.ibm.com (northrelay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.206]) by e5.ny.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i9LBrcpA389598 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:53:38 -0400 Received: from d01ml261.pok.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by northrelay04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i9LBsrS8121320 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:54:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4177726B.4060303@gmx.de> To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 Message-ID: From: Geoffrey M Clemm Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:53:34 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML261/01/M/IBM(Release 6.51HF645 | October 15, 2004) at 10/21/2004 07:53:37, Serialize complete at 10/21/2004 07:53:37 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0041548D86256F34_=" Received-SPF: none (bart.w3.org: domain of geoffrey.clemm@us.ibm.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: WebDAV at IETF 61 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/OF8758588F.4D6867A1-ON85256F34.0040ECC9-86256F34.00415490@us.ibm.com Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8922 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:54:10 +0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0041548D86256F34_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Unfortunately, I also will not be able to attend that meeting physically (I'm traveling that day, so will not be able to attend remotely either). So I would also prefer that we have the final discussion on BIND in the mailing list, but completely agree with the second half of the bullet (i.e., "Let's push this out."). Cheers, Geoff Julian wrote on 10/21/2004 03:25:15 AM: > > Joe Hildebrand wrote: > > I've just asked for a slot for us in DC. > > I will not be able to attend that meeting physically, but I'll try the > text conferencing. Generally, for those who need to do travel planning > and booking, it would be extremely helpful to know about an upcoming > meeting longer in advance. > > > Does anyone want to propose agenda items? Here are a couple that I'd like > > to propose: > > > > - Final discussion on BIND. Let's push this out. > > I'd prefer to do it on the mailing list. Looking back at the previous > meetings, none of the active draft contributors attended the meeting > physically (except the WG chairs), so no actual progress was made that way. > > > - Redirect: any discussion needed > > - 2518bis: status report > > - Status of drafts of note for the working group: > > + PATCH > > + Quota > > + Property datatyping > > + SEARCH > > + CalDAV > > + WebDAV-events > > > > If possible, I'd like for authors of the outstanding documents to attend, so > > that anything that is discussed can be incorporated into his/her thought > > process. > > As far as the drafts that I author are concerned, I'll post a summary in > time before the meeting. I'd also like to ask the authors of other > drafts to actually follow-up to the feedback that was sent to the > mailing list in response to their drafts being published. --=_alternative 0041548D86256F34_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Unfortunately, I also will not be able to attend that meeting
physically (I'm traveling that day, so will not be able to attend
remotely either).

So I would also prefer that we have the final discussion on
BIND in the mailing list, but completely agree with the second
half of the bullet (i.e., "Let's push this out.").

Cheers,
Geoff


Julian wrote on 10/21/2004 03:25:15 AM:
>
> Joe Hildebrand wrote:
> > I've just asked for a slot for us in DC.
>
> I will not be able to attend that meeting physically, but I'll try the
> text conferencing. Generally, for those who need to do travel planning
> and booking, it would be extremely helpful to know about an upcoming
> meeting longer in advance.
>
> > Does anyone want to propose agenda items?  Here are a couple that I'd like
> > to propose:
> >
> > - Final discussion on BIND.  Let's push this out.
>
> I'd prefer to do it on the mailing list. Looking back at the previous
> meetings, none of the active draft contributors attended the meeting
> physically (except the WG chairs), so no actual progress was made that way.
>
> > - Redirect: any discussion needed
> > - 2518bis: status report
> > - Status of drafts of note for the working group:
> >  + PATCH
> >  + Quota
> >  + Property datatyping
> >  + SEARCH
> >  + CalDAV
> >  + WebDAV-events
> >
> > If possible, I'd like for authors of the outstanding documents to attend, so
> > that anything that is discussed can be incorporated into his/her thought
> > process.
>
> As far as the drafts that I author are concerned, I'll post a summary in
> time before the meeting. I'd also like to ask the authors of other
> drafts to actually follow-up to the feedback that was sent to the
> mailing list in response to their drafts being published.
 --=_alternative 0041548D86256F34_=-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Thu Oct 21 13:47:29 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28578 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CKgzn-0003wu-JJ for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:45:03 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKgzn-0003w7-1n for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:45:03 +0000 Received: from kahuna.osafoundation.org ([204.152.186.98]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKgzi-0000Ys-Qv for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:44:58 +0000 Old-X-Envelope-From: lisa@osafoundation.org Old-X-Envelope-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Received: from [132.194.236.103] (educause-3151.cudenver.edu [132.194.236.103]) (authenticated bits=0) by kahuna.osafoundation.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i9LHidqL017657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:44:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4177726B.4060303@gmx.de> References: <8D96EDA0AC04D31197B400A0C96C14800E2C69E8@corp.webb.net> <4177726B.4060303@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org, Joe Hildebrand From: Lisa Dusseault Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:44:36 -0700 To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of lisa@osafoundation.org designates 204.152.186.98 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: WebDAV at IETF 61 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/DFFB1D86-2388-11D9-8061-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8923 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:45:03 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 21, 2004, at 1:25 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > > Joe Hildebrand wrote: >> I've just asked for a slot for us in DC. > > I will not be able to attend that meeting physically, but I'll try the > text conferencing. Generally, for those who need to do travel planning > and booking, it would be extremely helpful to know about an upcoming > meeting longer in advance. > >> The dates of IETF weeks are known well in advance, and we always schedule a WebDAV WG meeting. The exact day of the meeting cannot be known until the entire agenda is fixed, so unfortunately there's not much Joe and I can do to make the exact day for WebDAV known in advance. What a lot of us do is block off the entire week long in advance, possibly even buying tickets in advance. Then we attend the whole meeting, scheduling side talks, seeing what related working groups are doing, and often scheduling customer meetings into the week too (for those of us who have customers). Others plan ahead and then buy tickets only a couple weeks in advance so they can be there only for the most crucial days. 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The agenda-meisters haven't yet published a final agenda for this IETF, when they do it will replace this draft agenda and have WebDAV on it. Lisa On Oct 21, 2004, at 4:53 AM, Geoffrey M Clemm wrote: > Unfortunately, I also will not be able to attend that meeting > physically (I'm traveling that day, so will not be able to attend > remotely either). > > So I would also prefer that we have the final discussion on > BIND in the mailing list, but completely agree with the second > half of the bullet (i.e., "Let's push this out."). > > Cheers, > Geoff > > > Julian wrote on 10/21/2004 03:25:15 AM: >> >> Joe Hildebrand wrote: >>> I've just asked for a slot for us in DC. >> >> I will not be able to attend that meeting physically, but I'll try the >> text conferencing. Generally, for those who need to do travel planning >> and booking, it would be extremely helpful to know about an upcoming >> meeting longer in advance. >> >>> Does anyone want to propose agenda items? Here are a couple that I'd > like >>> to propose: >>> >>> - Final discussion on BIND. Let's push this out. >> >> I'd prefer to do it on the mailing list. Looking back at the previous >> meetings, none of the active draft contributors attended the meeting >> physically (except the WG chairs), so no actual progress was made that > way. >> >>> - Redirect: any discussion needed >>> - 2518bis: status report >>> - Status of drafts of note for the working group: >>> + PATCH >>> + Quota >>> + Property datatyping >>> + SEARCH >>> + CalDAV >>> + WebDAV-events >>> >>> If possible, I'd like for authors of the outstanding documents to > attend, so >>> that anything that is discussed can be incorporated into his/her > thought >>> process. >> >> As far as the drafts that I author are concerned, I'll post a summary >> in > >> time before the meeting. I'd also like to ask the authors of other >> drafts to actually follow-up to the feedback that was sent to the >> mailing list in response to their drafts being published. From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Sat Oct 23 00:25:45 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA10768 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CLDRL-0008Ga-G7 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:23:39 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CLDRK-0008FQ-Rs for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:23:38 +0000 Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.103]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CLDRG-0005OX-EW for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:23:34 +0000 Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i9N4N3PJ426036 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:23:06 -0400 Received: from d01ml261.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i9N4N2ZZ140788 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:23:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <7110DC04-2474-11D9-A8A3-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> To: " webdav" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 Message-ID: From: Geoffrey M Clemm Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:23:00 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML261/01/M/IBM(Release 6.51HF645 | October 15, 2004) at 10/23/2004 00:23:02, Serialize complete at 10/23/2004 00:23:02 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0018140B85256F36_=" Received-SPF: none (lisa.w3.org: domain of geoffrey.clemm@us.ibm.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: WebDAV at IETF 61 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/OF599E8F54.926EF32A-ON85256F36.0017DB9C-85256F36.0018140D@us.ibm.com Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8926 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:23:39 +0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0018140B85256F36_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I mistyped. I meant "I'm traveling that week" (a cruise, for my wife's birthday, so not negotiable on date or location :-). Cheers, Geoff Lisa wrote on 10/22/2004 05:50:51 PM: > > I'm confused; which day is it you're travelling? The agenda-meisters > haven't yet published a final agenda for this IETF, when they do it > will replace this draft agenda and have WebDAV on it. > > > Lisa > > On Oct 21, 2004, at 4:53 AM, Geoffrey M Clemm wrote: > > > Unfortunately, I also will not be able to attend that meeting > > physically (I'm traveling that day, so will not be able to attend > > remotely either). > > > > So I would also prefer that we have the final discussion on > > BIND in the mailing list, but completely agree with the second > > half of the bullet (i.e., "Let's push this out."). > > > > Cheers, > > Geoff > > > > > > Julian wrote on 10/21/2004 03:25:15 AM: > >> > >> Joe Hildebrand wrote: > >>> I've just asked for a slot for us in DC. > >> > >> I will not be able to attend that meeting physically, but I'll try the > >> text conferencing. Generally, for those who need to do travel planning > >> and booking, it would be extremely helpful to know about an upcoming > >> meeting longer in advance. > >> > >>> Does anyone want to propose agenda items? Here are a couple that I'd > > like > >>> to propose: > >>> > >>> - Final discussion on BIND. Let's push this out. > >> > >> I'd prefer to do it on the mailing list. Looking back at the previous > >> meetings, none of the active draft contributors attended the meeting > >> physically (except the WG chairs), so no actual progress was made that > > way. > >> > >>> - Redirect: any discussion needed > >>> - 2518bis: status report > >>> - Status of drafts of note for the working group: > >>> + PATCH > >>> + Quota > >>> + Property datatyping > >>> + SEARCH > >>> + CalDAV > >>> + WebDAV-events > >>> > >>> If possible, I'd like for authors of the outstanding documents to > > attend, so > >>> that anything that is discussed can be incorporated into his/her > > thought > >>> process. > >> > >> As far as the drafts that I author are concerned, I'll post a summary > >> in > > > >> time before the meeting. I'd also like to ask the authors of other > >> drafts to actually follow-up to the feedback that was sent to the > >> mailing list in response to their drafts being published. > > --=_alternative 0018140B85256F36_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
I mistyped.  I meant "I'm traveling that week" (a cruise, for my wife's
birthday, so not negotiable on date or location :-).

Cheers,
Geoff

Lisa wrote on 10/22/2004 05:50:51 PM:
>
> I'm confused; which day is it you're travelling?  The agenda-meisters
> haven't yet published a final agenda for this IETF, when they do it
> will replace this draft agenda and have WebDAV on it.  
> <http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_61.html>
>
> Lisa
>
> On Oct 21, 2004, at 4:53 AM, Geoffrey M Clemm wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, I also will not be able to attend that meeting
> > physically (I'm traveling that day, so will not be able to attend
> > remotely either).
> >
> > So I would also prefer that we have the final discussion on
> > BIND in the mailing list, but completely agree with the second
> > half of the bullet (i.e., "Let's push this out.").
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Geoff
> >
> >
> > Julian wrote on 10/21/2004 03:25:15 AM:
> >>
> >> Joe Hildebrand wrote:
> >>> I've just asked for a slot for us in DC.
> >>
> >> I will not be able to attend that meeting physically, but I'll try the
> >> text conferencing. Generally, for those who need to do travel planning
> >> and booking, it would be extremely helpful to know about an upcoming
> >> meeting longer in advance.
> >>
> >>> Does anyone want to propose agenda items?  Here are a couple that I'd
> > like
> >>> to propose:
> >>>
> >>> - Final discussion on BIND.  Let's push this out.
> >>
> >> I'd prefer to do it on the mailing list. Looking back at the previous
> >> meetings, none of the active draft contributors attended the meeting
> >> physically (except the WG chairs), so no actual progress was made that
> > way.
> >>
> >>> - Redirect: any discussion needed
> >>> - 2518bis: status report
> >>> - Status of drafts of note for the working group:
> >>>  + PATCH
> >>>  + Quota
> >>>  + Property datatyping
> >>>  + SEARCH
> >>>  + CalDAV
> >>>  + WebDAV-events
> >>>
> >>> If possible, I'd like for authors of the outstanding documents to
> > attend, so
> >>> that anything that is discussed can be incorporated into his/her
> > thought
> >>> process.
> >>
> >> As far as the drafts that I author are concerned, I'll post a summary
> >> in
> >
> >> time before the meeting. I'd also like to ask the authors of other
> >> drafts to actually follow-up to the feedback that was sent to the
> >> mailing list in response to their drafts being published.
>
>
--=_alternative 0018140B85256F36_=-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Sat Oct 23 05:56:41 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA13293 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 05:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CLIbJ-00064l-V0 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:54:17 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CLIbJ-00064H-9i for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:54:17 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CLIbE-0000k1-SL for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:54:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 8359 invoked by uid 65534); 23 Oct 2004 09:53:43 -0000 Received: from pD9E5112B.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) (217.229.17.43) by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 23 Oct 2004 11:53:43 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <417A2A22.3090207@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:53:38 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Dusseault CC: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org, Joe Hildebrand References: <8D96EDA0AC04D31197B400A0C96C14800E2C69E8@corp.webb.net> <4177726B.4060303@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: WebDAV at IETF 61 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/417A2A22.3090207@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8927 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:54:17 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa Dusseault wrote: > The dates of IETF weeks are known well in advance, and we always > schedule a WebDAV WG meeting. The exact day of the meeting cannot be > known until the entire agenda is fixed, so unfortunately there's not > much Joe and I can do to make the exact day for WebDAV known in advance. > > What a lot of us do is block off the entire week long in advance, > possibly even buying tickets in advance. Then we attend the whole > meeting, scheduling side talks, seeing what related working groups are > doing, and often scheduling customer meetings into the week too (for > those of us who have customers). Others plan ahead and then buy tickets > only a couple weeks in advance so they can be there only for the most > crucial days. Assuming that all (or even a majority of the) working group members will have the necessary support from their management to travel to IETF meetings for three weeks per year is simply unrealistic. So *if* it is a goal to get more of the active working group members to attend meetings, things need to become a bit easier for them (things that come to mind is *not* having a meeting three times per year, agenda and dates being known as much in advance as possible, and so on). Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Mon Oct 25 02:10:01 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA16930 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CLy0I-00021d-2e for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:06:50 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CLy0H-000214-I4 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:06:49 +0000 Received: from merlin.pegasi.net ([66.180.228.196]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CLy0D-0005r8-6J for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:06:45 +0000 Received: from merlin.pegasi.net (merlin.pegasi.net [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.pegasi.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i9P66G8c009524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-DSS-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:06:16 GMT Received: (from eric@localhost) by merlin.pegasi.net (8.12.11/8.12.10/Submit) id i9P666ie009511; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:06:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: merlin.pegasi.net: eric set sender to eric@aquameta.com using -f Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:06:06 +0000 From: Eric Hanson To: Joe Hildebrand Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Message-ID: <20041025060606.A7455@aquameta.com> References: <8D96EDA0AC04D31197B400A0C96C14800E2C69E8@corp.webb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <8D96EDA0AC04D31197B400A0C96C14800E2C69E8@corp.webb.net>; from JHildebrand@jabber.com on Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 06:56:56PM -0600 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.2i Received-SPF: none (lisa.w3.org: domain of eric@aquameta.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: WebDAV at IETF 61 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/20041025060606.A7455@aquameta.com Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8928 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:06:50 +0000 I'm doing research on using WebDAV as an HTTP metadata layer with webdav properties that contain RDF metadata. I know this is an old idea, but it still seems like the best way to do it is a little grey. Are there people in the IETF that are looking at this? Eric Joe Hildebrand (JHildebrand@jabber.com) wrote: > > I've just asked for a slot for us in DC. > > Does anyone want to propose agenda items? Here are a couple that I'd like > to propose: > > - Final discussion on BIND. Let's push this out. > - Redirect: any discussion needed > - 2518bis: status report > - Status of drafts of note for the working group: > + PATCH > + Quota > + Property datatyping > + SEARCH > + CalDAV > + WebDAV-events > > If possible, I'd like for authors of the outstanding documents to attend, so > that anything that is discussed can be incorporated into his/her thought > process. > > -- > Joe Hildebrand > From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Mon Oct 25 10:03:53 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA27147 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CM5QH-0002lk-Km for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:02:09 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CM5QH-0002lD-2r for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:02:09 +0000 Received: from kahuna.osafoundation.org ([204.152.186.98]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CM5QC-0004mA-Mv for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:02:04 +0000 Old-X-Envelope-From: lisa@osafoundation.org Old-X-Envelope-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([198.144.201.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by kahuna.osafoundation.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i9PE1tqL000922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:01:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20041025060606.A7455@aquameta.com> References: <8D96EDA0AC04D31197B400A0C96C14800E2C69E8@corp.webb.net> <20041025060606.A7455@aquameta.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6989E4D2-268E-11D9-A8A3-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org, Joe Hildebrand From: Lisa Dusseault Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:01:48 -0700 To: Eric Hanson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of lisa@osafoundation.org designates 204.152.186.98 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: WebDAV at IETF 61 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/6989E4D2-268E-11D9-A8A3-000A95B2BB72@osafoundation.org Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8929 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:02:09 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OSAF is attempting something very similar to this with Chandler. It's not exactly RDF, but it's a storage model based on RDF. Lisa On Oct 24, 2004, at 11:06 PM, Eric Hanson wrote: > > I'm doing research on using WebDAV as an HTTP metadata layer > with webdav properties that contain RDF metadata. I know this > is an old idea, but it still seems like the best way to do it is > a little grey. Are there people in the IETF that are looking at > this? > > Eric > > Joe Hildebrand (JHildebrand@jabber.com) wrote: >> >> I've just asked for a slot for us in DC. >> >> Does anyone want to propose agenda items? Here are a couple that I'd >> like >> to propose: >> >> - Final discussion on BIND. Let's push this out. >> - Redirect: any discussion needed >> - 2518bis: status report >> - Status of drafts of note for the working group: >> + PATCH >> + Quota >> + Property datatyping >> + SEARCH >> + CalDAV >> + WebDAV-events >> >> If possible, I'd like for authors of the outstanding documents to >> attend, so >> that anything that is discussed can be incorporated into his/her >> thought >> process. >> >> -- >> Joe Hildebrand >> > From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Tue Oct 26 17:10:07 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA23118 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CMYWX-0005e1-6S for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:06:33 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMYWW-0005dP-IS for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:06:32 +0000 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMYWR-00020S-QQ for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:06:28 +0000 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA21979; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410262106.RAA21979@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:06:27 -0400 Received-SPF: none (lisa.w3.org: domain of dinaras@cnri.reston.va.us does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-quota-04.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/200410262106.RAA21979@ietf.org Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8930 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:06:33 +0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the WWW Distributed Authoring and Versioning Working Group of the IETF. Title : Quota and Size Properties for DAV Collections Author(s) : B. Korver, L. Dusseault Filename : draft-ietf-webdav-quota-04.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2004-10-26 WebDAV servers are frequently deployed with quota (size) limitations. This Internet-Draft discusses the properties and minor behaviors needed for clients to interoperate with quota implementations on WebDAV repositories. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-webdav-quota-04.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-10-26161255.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-webdav-quota-04.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-webdav-quota-04.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-10-26161255.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Tue Oct 26 17:58:28 2004 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA02690 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CMZIx-0000TM-99 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:56:35 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMZIw-0000Ss-Nm for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:56:34 +0000 Received: from 212-59.84.64.master-link.com ([64.84.59.212] helo=NSNOVPS00411.nacio.xythos.com) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMZIs-0000Z6-AZ for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:56:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.151] ([64.154.218.194]) by NSNOVPS00411.nacio.xythos.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:56:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: WebDAV From: Brian Korver Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:56:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2004 21:56:00.0659 (UTC) FILETIME=[94ADA630:01C4BBA6] Received-SPF: none (lisa.w3.org: domain of briank@xythos.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-quota-04.txt X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/D30D6370-2799-11D9-8C95-000A95AACED2@xythos.com Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8931 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:56:35 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The big change in this draft is that the quota-assigned-bytes property has been dropped per our discussions of that feature. -brian briank@xythos.com Begin forwarded message: > Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Date: October 26, 2004 2:06:27 PM PDT > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-webdav-quota-04.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the WWW Distributed Authoring and > Versioning Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Quota and Size Properties for DAV Collections > Author(s) : B. 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