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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C89BF4.03787FC1-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed Apr 23 07:27:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F703A6D63 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:27:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.147 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.147 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.452, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Iza7sMDhLZFD for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EC93A6C22 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JofvG-0000JY-TQ for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:26:10 +0000 Received: from aji.w3.org ([133.27.228.225]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JofvF-0000Iu-Oy for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:26:10 +0000 Received: from [151.201.22.177] (helo=daboo.name) by aji.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Jofv4-0004PB-L8 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:26:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8584463E566; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:25:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EMuLYGZszfjm; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caldav.corp.apple.com (unknown [17.101.32.44]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F1663E55E; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:25:22 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Julian Reschke , vcarddav@ietf.org, WebDAV Message-ID: <5D235815EA28DCE337D03968@caldav.corp.apple.com> In-Reply-To: <47DBAB30.1060306@gmx.de> References: <47DBAB30.1060306@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RDNS_NONE=0.1 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: aji.w3.org 1Jofv4-0004PB-L8 93a763070038f7e124d5db6dfbb8b16e X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] Thoughts on relation to WebDAV Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12831 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:26:10 +0000 Hi Julian, Catching up after your plea for a response! --On March 15, 2008 11:55:44 AM +0100 Julian Reschke wrote: > here are a few thoughts about how to handle the WebDAV dependencies of > CardDAV (mostly based on what was discussed in the VCARDDAV WG meeting > in Philadelphia): > > 1) WebDAV base requirements > > I think CardDAV should require WebDAV level 3 support, as defined by RFC > 4918. 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