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From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Mar 10 07:11:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5928A3A6A5C for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:11:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.448 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.448 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=4.151, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p2CxZWtWGjS7 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53C43A6908 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lh2fH-0006cH-Mf for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:10:39 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lh2fG-0006bd-E6 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:10:38 +0000 Received: from daboo.name ([151.201.22.177]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lh2f7-0004NB-Ft for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:10:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C90126691C; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:10:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NEmYkro6FpNV; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caldav.corp.apple.com (unknown [17.101.32.44]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512D51266915; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:09:56 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: WebDAV cc: CardDAV , CalDAV Message-ID: <29696E9E8589A72FC19EB4F6@caldav.corp.apple.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=545 Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1Lh2f7-0004NB-Ft 9bfe2da844e44a11f67464ad03f6a76e X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: draft-daboo-webdav-sync-01 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13079 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:10:39 +0000 Hi folks, I have posted an update for the webdav-sync extension: . This is mostly as refresh of the original -00 with a few references updated. The goal is to restart discussion of this specification as I have been getting quite a few enquiries from folks interested in implementing something like this now. For now let is keep primary discussion of this document on w3c-dist-auth@w3.org. CalDAV and CardDAV have been cc'd as this is of interest in those areas too. -- Cyrus Daboo From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed Mar 11 03:18:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647543A68B2 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:18:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gjw06gp8PXaH for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFBA3A6895 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhLVW-0005OO-Hp for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:17:50 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhLVV-0005NQ-BE for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:17:49 +0000 Received: from gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com ([192.18.6.21]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhLVM-00047y-B2 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:17:48 +0000 Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-1-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.10]) by gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2BAH0N8002691 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:17:08 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) id <0KGC004004SPZT00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:17:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [129.150.118.101] ([unknown] [129.150.118.101]) by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) with ESMTPSA id <0KGC00L4T785SU10@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:16:54 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:16:53 +0100 From: Arnaud Quillaud To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Message-id: <49B78F95.4090104@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1LhLVM-00047y-B2 6aea5df47901fd64c5e0fb56970e7fd3 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: depth in draft-daboo-webdav-sync-01 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13080 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:17:50 +0000 Hello, In Section 4.2 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-daboo-webdav-sync-01#section-4.2), the response is defined as: << The response body for a successful DAV:sync-collection REPORT request MUST contain a DAV:sync-response element for each resource that was created, has changed or been deleted since the last synchronization operation as specified by the DAV:sync-token provided in the request. >> Given that the depth header should be ignored, and given the ambiguity of the term "resource", it would be worth mentioning that this applies only to non-collection resources directly contained in the target collection. In other words, creation/modification/deletion of subcollections and their children should not be included. Arnaud From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed Mar 11 03:49:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556123A6B7E for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:49:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.024 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.024 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.575, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6RfiBT7LSvXB for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8882C3A6B67 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhM0C-0004iE-L3 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:49:32 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhM0B-0004ha-Q3 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:49:31 +0000 Received: from gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com ([192.18.6.24]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhM02-0005iW-Q6 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:49:31 +0000 Received: from fe-emea-10.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.12]) by gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2BAmcxN002218 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:48:50 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-10.sun.com by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) id <0KGC00I006B13B00@fe-emea-10.sun.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:48:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [129.150.118.101] ([unknown] [129.150.118.101]) by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) with ESMTPSA id <0KGC0011P8ORDE40@fe-emea-10.sun.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:48:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:48:26 +0100 From: Arnaud Quillaud To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Message-id: <49B796FA.5070102@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1LhM02-0005iW-Q6 5364a2e152fd744875b3a8aec2ce6ff0 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: use of DAV:valid-sync-token - need for another precondition in draft-daboo-webdav-sync-01 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13081 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:49:32 +0000 Hello, In the overview (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-daboo-webdav-sync-01#section-4.1), it is mentioned that the server may return an error when a token is out of date while in the precondition section, the only precondition defined is: << (DAV:valid-sync-token): The DAV:sync-token element value MUST map to a valid token previously returned by the server; >> Depending on the meaning you give to the term "valid", an out of date token can be seen as "a valid token previously returned by the server", in which case this precondition does not apply to out of date token. So we could either add a DAV:no-expired-sync-token precondition or change the definition of the existing one to include tokens previously returned by the server but which have expired. Should we add a "Use with" in the precondition definition as in (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4918#section-16) and would it be 403 or 409 ? In any case, it would be worth mentioning that the client can solve this precondition failure by initiating a full sync. Arnaud Q From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed Mar 11 03:53:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F3E3A6B7F for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:53:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.129 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.129 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.470, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nbt8fthhWyOk for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC993A6B45 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhM46-0006JF-Dt for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:53:34 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhM45-0006I4-N3 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:53:33 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhM3v-0004Ey-L8 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:53:33 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Mar 2009 10:52:51 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp071) with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 11:52:51 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/rBuYM/tXrUs4mXGa0wtCItT6ZoSpCs286t8iE7V 6uMvH9ZvY3mYsx Message-ID: <49B79800.7050203@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:52:48 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arnaud Quillaud CC: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: <49B78F95.4090104@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <49B78F95.4090104@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.63 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1LhM3v-0004Ey-L8 b1cef3ff1ad2e0a1ac682e9bcc6f9338 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: depth in draft-daboo-webdav-sync-01 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13082 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:53:34 +0000 Arnaud Quillaud wrote: > Hello, > > In Section 4.2 > (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-daboo-webdav-sync-01#section-4.2), the > response is defined as: > > << > > The response body for a successful DAV:sync-collection REPORT > request MUST contain a DAV:sync-response element for each resource > that was created, has changed or been deleted since the last > synchronization operation as specified by the DAV:sync-token > provided in the request. > > >> > > Given that the depth header should be ignored, and given the ambiguity > of the term "resource", it would be worth mentioning that this applies > only to non-collection resources directly contained in the target > collection. > In other words, creation/modification/deletion of subcollections and > their children should not be included. I was going to write something related about carddav (still reading it...). A definition of a WebDAV report absolutely MUST specify the scope of the request. So, for Depth:0, it needs to specify whether it affects only the resource at the Request-URI, or more. The semantics for Depth:1 or Depth:infinity then follow from that. Specifying that the Depth header should be ignored or should be left out is in conflict with how reports work in general and thus makes it impossible to share code between various different reports. BR, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed Mar 11 05:23:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520CB3A6994 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:23:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.339 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.339 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.260, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xRiH8vZ9LSjQ for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954A13A6810 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhNSq-0008PL-8e for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:23:12 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhNSp-0008Oh-41 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:23:11 +0000 Received: from gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com ([192.18.6.21]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhNSg-00016e-5a for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:23:10 +0000 Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.12]) by gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2BCMUJs024908 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:22:30 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) id <0KGC00100CUYAK00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:22:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [129.150.118.101] ([unknown] [129.150.118.101]) by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) with ESMTPSA id <0KGC006UXD1EXDE0@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:22:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:22:26 +0100 From: Arnaud Quillaud To: WebDAV Message-id: <49B7AD02.7030909@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1LhNSg-00016e-5a f467c6485de0799789b33b318eaefe54 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: collection recreated in draft-daboo-webdav-sync-01 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13083 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:23:12 +0000 Hello, Still on the topic of precondition failure, the token might become invalid for reasons other than reaching the history limit of the server. For example, if a collection is deleted, then recreated, the server won't necessary maintain sync information about the defunct collection. Or the server may have encountered a crash causing the history information to be lost. Hence, we might want to change the overview section to be more generic: << In some cases a server may no longer be able to honor a previously returned token. For example, it may only wish to maintain a limited amount of history about changes to a collection. In that situation it will return an error to the client when the client presents a token that is "out of date". At that point the client has to fall back to synchronizing the entire collection by re-running the report request using an empty token value. >> Arnaud PS: about the collection recreate scenario, do we want to return a different precondition ? From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed Mar 11 06:23:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FA93A6A2B for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:23:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nn6VMG8UNGKr for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5102628C1CA for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhOPB-0004Yc-VS for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:23:30 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhOPA-0004Es-Cc for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:23:28 +0000 Received: from gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com ([192.18.6.21]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhOGm-0003JD-3c for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:15:01 +0000 Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.12]) by gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2BDEDGp002798 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:14:14 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) id <0KGC00500EV64X00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:14:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [129.150.118.101] ([unknown] [129.150.118.101]) by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) with ESMTPSA id <0KGC00ATDFFH3550@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:14:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:14:04 +0100 From: Arnaud Quillaud To: WebDAV Message-id: <49B7B91C.8040604@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1LhOGm-0003JD-3c 8bfa25def64c26fc2774bfbc5897e3ca X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: multiple changes and draft-daboo-webdav-sync Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13084 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:23:29 +0000 Hello, I think we should clarify some aspects of the response when multiple changes to the same resource have occurred: 1) for a given resource, only one sync-response is returned, regardless of how many state changes (e.g. created --> modified --> deleted --> recreated) it has gone through. The status reflects the latest state of the resource at the time of the query (but see 2)). 2) if a resource has been created, then modified since the last sync, the server MUST return '201 Created'. 3) if a resource has been deleted then recreated since the last sync, the server MUST return '201 Created' (cf open issue No 6). Of course, the above points reflect my interpretation of the spec. I may be wrong, but that would be just another justification for clarifying the desired behavior. Finally, there is a race condition where some resources are created/modified/deleted and a report issued at the exact same time. Depending on how the sync token is implemented on the server side, it might be hard to avoid having those resource being returned twice (in 2 consecutive reports). Hence, I think it is worth mentioning that: "Under some rare circumstances, the server may return the same sync-response (i.e. refering to the same resource and with the same status) in response to 2 consecutive sync-collection report requests. The client can easily detect such duplicate by asking for the getetag property and comparing it with a previously stored value." 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From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Thu Mar 12 05:56:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2349728C1A8 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:56:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.858 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.858 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.141, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_37=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gAzbflBvmKJm for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F713A6A1C for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhkRm-00035O-Ks for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:55:38 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhkRl-00034e-EE for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:55:37 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhkRc-0006p0-FB for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:55:37 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Mar 2009 12:54:56 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 13:54:56 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/0uFoGf/z0pNjAL6pPZWUMh4XJJ1sSSjkylUwvH4 sWJRWihKbFcmgi Message-ID: <49B9061D.8030405@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:54:53 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vcarddav@ietf.org CC: Marc Blanchet , WebDAV References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.54 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1LhkRc-0006p0-FB b0e093946cb3fb989d60d9686c11c39d X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: allprop behaviour, was: [VCARDDAV] vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav,mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13085 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:55:38 +0000 Marc Blanchet wrote: > Hi, > This is the working group last call for the following two documents: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-vcarddav-carddav-05 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-vcarddav-webdav-mkcol-03 > > Please provide any comments to the wg mailing list > (mailto:vcarddav@ietf.org) by March 9th 2009, 23h00 GMT. > > Regards, > Marc and Kurt, vcarddav wg chairs Hi, apologies for the late feedback. I've been going through draft-ietf-vcarddav-carddav-06, and have quite a few comments which I'll raise in separate emails (trying to collect things that belong together into single mails). The first one is a generic comment about the properties defined in Section 6.2 (). For each property, it states: allprop behavior: SHOULD be returned by a PROPFIND DAV:allprop request. This deviates from how every single other WebDAV extension (including CalDAV) has been defined. Why? Proposal: change this to "SHOULD NOT", and also state it just once and for all in the introduction to Section 6.2. Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Thu Mar 12 06:42:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD75728C0CF for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:42:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.417, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VGIDosEnjXPN for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B9D3A6868 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhlB4-00050r-GF for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:42:26 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhlB3-0004zu-EN for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:42:25 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhlAu-0003O6-Mb for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:42:25 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Mar 2009 13:41:42 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp071) with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 14:41:42 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18n31NAbWQnB0Svtv3JP1PYWaL55/34XmPGGwCr2O oTtLYW3JHcpIzt Message-ID: <49B91113.4070407@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:41:39 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vcarddav@ietf.org, WebDAV CC: Marc Blanchet References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.58 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1LhlAu-0003O6-Mb df8e1ca45e86f34e1b48bbb3065530e8 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: use of DTD in draft-ietf-vcarddav-carddav-06, was: [VCARDDAV] vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav,mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13086 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:42:26 +0000 Hi, a few comments with respect how draft-ietf-vcarddav-carddav-06 uses DTD fragments for defining the CardDAV related elements: 1) Section 2.2 (XML Namespaces and Processing) should be expanded to include statements about how the DTD fragments are to be understood, similar to Section 2 in draft-ietf-vcarddav-webdav-mkcol-04. 2) The XML spec reference needs to be updated to W3C.REC-xml-20081126, just as in draft-ietf-vcarddav-webdav-mkcol-04. (Note I'd recommend to use a shorter reference name, such as just "XML". 3) I had trang () parse the DTD fragments for me (to do that just markup the artwork with the proper type of "application/xml-dtd", then use rfc2629xslt's extract-artwork.xslt (). A minor issue I found is that at least one element type definition (addressbook) appeared multiple times; this is not really a problem as long as they all say the same thing. On the other hand, address-data has three different definitions (see ), depending on the context it's used in. I think this really should be avoided. The simplest fix for this seems to just use three distinct names. Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Thu Mar 12 07:34:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E932E3A6858 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:34:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.214 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.214 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.385, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zs1JDjeUoj8a for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976C13A69E3 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhlzE-0006AW-9V for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:34:16 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhlzD-00069q-6G for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:34:15 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lhlz2-0001OU-Kq for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:34:15 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Mar 2009 14:33:32 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp008) with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 15:33:32 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+pXhEyS+Op/jT5lWXVUJKTlSmIyw96gbmkScWKRj gBHJnonbScR9SN Message-ID: <49B91D36.6010100@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:33:26 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vcarddav@ietf.org, WebDAV References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1Lhlz2-0001OU-Kq d8093580245f659a6b52af9c73e90d50 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: broken XML in examples, was: [VCARDDAV] vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav,mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13087 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:34:16 +0000 Marc Blanchet wrote: > Hi, > This is the working group last call for the following two documents: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-vcarddav-carddav-05 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-vcarddav-webdav-mkcol-03 > > Please provide any comments to the wg mailing list > (mailto:vcarddav@ietf.org) by March 9th 2009, 23h00 GMT. > > Regards, > Marc and Kurt, vcarddav wg chairs Hi, in the XML is not well-formed. http://addressbook.example.com/bernard/addresses/< /D:href> The simplest fix would be just to use an absolute path, as in /bernard/addresses/ The same applies to Section 7.1.2. BR, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Thu Mar 12 07:46:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CE43A6826 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:46:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.414, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fm3xhxpHiMho for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B69C3A677D for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhmBS-0005QY-PC for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:46:54 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhmBR-0005Oe-BG for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:46:53 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LhmBI-00039J-G2 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:46:53 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Mar 2009 14:46:10 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp045) with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 15:46:10 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/2MudEOaP2cpoBCxmDVhXSe1X3NdGBHpVDDMZO1i j1NToN9OXe8gQE Message-ID: <49B9202F.9030106@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:46:07 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vcarddav@ietf.org, WebDAV References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1LhmBI-00039J-G2 758baa48e228ff5b095bcef3a2ba785d X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: IANA Considerations, was: [VCARDDAV] vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav,mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13088 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:46:54 +0000 Marc Blanchet wrote: > Hi, > This is the working group last call for the following two documents: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-vcarddav-carddav-05 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-vcarddav-webdav-mkcol-03 > > Please provide any comments to the wg mailing list > (mailto:vcarddav@ietf.org) by March 9th 2009, 23h00 GMT. > > Regards, > Marc and Kurt, vcarddav wg chairs A few comments with respect to the IANA Considerations (): 1) The references style, as in "... defined by RFC4918 [RFC4918] for ..." looks a bit weird (artifact from a time when this document used numeric references?) 2) The statement: "All other IANA considerations mentioned in RFC4918 [RFC4918] also apply to this document." is very misleading; RFC 4918's IANA Considerations talk about URI scheme registrations, HTTP header registrations, and HTTP status code registrations. None of this is relevant to CardDAV, so just drop the sentence. 3) I also found the statement below confusing: "XML: None. Namespace URIs do not represent an XML specification." Proposal: just state: "XML: None - not applicable for namespace registrations". 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From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Fri Mar 13 07:51:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A5A3A6BE9 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:51:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.852 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.852 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.147, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a+ztjXKw-ADN for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82903A6BC1 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Li8im-00018O-JM for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:50:48 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Li8il-00017k-5A for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:50:47 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by maggie.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Li8iW-0006Gq-5o for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:50:46 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Mar 2009 14:50:00 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp066) with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 15:50:00 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1820NlNV802qCAcV5WRzZe/46h26qr4RN3hrpNr4b qG0uufzu17zFbs Message-ID: <49BA7294.9010305@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:49:56 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WebDAV , vcarddav@ietf.org References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.54 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1Li8iW-0006Gq-5o d328d454959799bcde914ae390a269fb X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: REPORT related comments, was: [VCARDDAV] vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav,mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13089 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:50:48 +0000 Hi, below some comments related to the WebDAV reports defined in Section 8 (). 1) Editorial: when referring to specific reports (not the REPORT method), the spec sometimes uses "report", and sometimes "REPORT". Please be consistent (with a preference on the lowercase variant, to distinguish from the actual method name). 2) WebDAV reports should be consistent in how various depths are handled (see RFC 3253, Section 3.6). The best way to achieve this is by exactly defining what the scope is for Depth == 0. If the request URI is a WebDAV collection, the behavior for Depth == 1 or Depth == infinity will follow from that. Otherwise it should be specified or ruled out (see ACL reports). 3) Related to that: "As a result the "Depth" header MUST be ignored by the server and SHOULD NOT be sent by the client." -- Nope. Really :-). This is incompatible with generic report handling. Instead, specify the desired behavior for Depth == 0, require clients to set Depth == 0 or leave it out, and require servers to return status 400 for other values (like in RFC 3744). 4) Editorial: "The request body MUST be a CARDDAV:addressbook-multiget XML element (see Section 10.7, which MUST contain at least one DAV: href XML element, and one optional CARDDAV:address-data element as defined in Section 10.4." -- Missing ")" after "Section 10.7". 5) It goes on saying: "If the Request-URI is a collection resource, then the DAV:href elements MUST refer to resources within that collection, and they MAY refer to resources at any depth within the collection. As a result the "Depth" header MUST be ignored by the server and SHOULD NOT be sent by the client. If the Request-URI refers to a non-collection resource, then there MUST be a single DAV:href element that is equivalent to the Request-URI." I think it would be simpler to define it this way: "If DAV:href elements are present, the scope of the request is the set of resources identified by these elements, which all need to be members (not necessarily internal members) of the resource identified by the Request-URI. Otherwise, the scope is the resource identified by the Request-URI itself." This avoids the special-casing, and gets rid of the repeated URI in the DAV:href element for non-collections. Best regards, Julian From mckinney@advantagecontrols.com Fri Mar 13 08:14:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A4D28C12E for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:14:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.232 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.232 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_BROADBND=1.118, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, SARE_UNA=1.231, SARE_UNI=0.591, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6m+ROrcn3zYD for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 99.156.broadband3.iol.cz (99.156.broadband3.iol.cz [85.70.156.99]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 693D128C178 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:14:04 -0700 (PDT) To: Subject: from admin From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090313151405.693D128C178@core3.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:14:04 -0700 (PDT)
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From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Fri Mar 13 09:57:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4DB28C209 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:57:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.847, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_38=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fOvQQfnyP+rz for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAA328C1FF for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LiAgu-0002T5-2O for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:57:00 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LiAgs-0002SR-K7 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:56:58 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by maggie.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LiAgj-00047M-Aj for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:56:58 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Mar 2009 16:56:18 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp029) with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 17:56:18 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX186Dq9QOdM6MioD01AG0pUTbq32XzkCDLXS7Sw7/q 3S9tAq92Puf16V Message-ID: <49BA902E.7020001@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:56:14 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WebDAV , vcarddav@ietf.org References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> <49BA7294.9010305@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <49BA7294.9010305@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.5 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1LiAgj-00047M-Aj 5c5144438ce87619fcc84ceba478af92 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Pseudo-properties in reports, was: vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav, mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13090 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:57:00 +0000 Hi, this is somehow related to a discussion we had in July 2007 (): > Property model > > The specs avoid exposing the content of their data objects as WebDAV > properties. This leads to lots of workarounds, such as introducing > "pseudo-properties" containing the actual content > (CARDDAV:addressbook-data), and abuse of DAV:prop for something that is > not a WebDAV property. Don't do this, it requires generic WebDAV servers > to use lots of special cases. (WebDAV SEARCH started with pseudo > properties but got successfully rid of them, so this can be done). As far as I recall, the feedback I got was that making them full-blown WebDAV properties would be both expensive, and lose flexibility. I am still not sure that I buy that. But, accepting this for now, then CardDAV should really stop pretending that these pseudo properties are WebDAV properties in reports - it is really confusing, and makes implementing a generic server hard if something appears as a property only in specific contexts. Furthermore, the current specification makes it harder to re-use generic code, as it overloads not only the semantics, but also the syntax of DAV:prop. Consider the use of DAV:prop in: me -- Here, DAV:prop contains both a true WebDAV property, and a pseudo-property: That pseudo property though needs special treatment, it's *not* just an identifier, but an identifier augmented with parameters. There's really no point in putting it into a DAV:prop, as generic WebDAV XML handling code is not capable to use it. So, IMHO, the right thing here is to make C:address-data a top-level element in the request, as in: me This also means that the response format needs to be extended; but again, this is a good thing - generic code handling multistatus/propstat will be confused anyway, so it's *good* not to overload DAV:propstat with things that do not belong there. Note that during the development of WebDAV SEARCH (RFC 5323), pseudo-properties were used both for request (DAV:iscollection) and responses (DAV:score), but fortunately we got rid of these problems (see, for instance, ). 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From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Sun Mar 15 19:04:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7833A6938 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:04:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.216 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.216 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=3.383, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5-1qUk1SyUCf for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E723A6876 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj2As-00030Y-Oe for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:03:30 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj2Ar-0002zP-CL for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:03:29 +0000 Received: from daboo.name ([151.201.22.177]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj2Af-0002fV-P9 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:03:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id A073E1295019; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:02:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qz8t3Co7pQtK; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.197] (unknown [10.0.1.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9AB91295007; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:02:48 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Julian Reschke , vcarddav@ietf.org, WebDAV Message-ID: <106DEFF0F6F2F4F4E5E6E70D@socrates.local> In-Reply-To: <49B91113.4070407@gmx.de> References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> <49B91113.4070407@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=1659 Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1Lj2Af-0002fV-P9 bab1154c76fa6c85a1f6b9643c8b2033 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] use of DTD in draft-ietf-vcarddav-carddav-06, was: vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav, mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13092 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:03:30 +0000 Hi Julian, --On March 12, 2009 2:41:39 PM +0100 Julian Reschke wrote: > 1) Section 2.2 (XML Namespaces and Processing) should be expanded to > include statements about how the DTD fragments are to be understood, > similar to Section 2 in draft-ietf-vcarddav-webdav-mkcol-04. Fixed - I re-wrote section 2 to be more like the other draft. The separate sub-section on XML processing was removed as a result. > 2) The XML spec reference needs to be updated to W3C.REC-xml-20081126, > just as in draft-ietf-vcarddav-webdav-mkcol-04. (Note I'd recommend to > use a shorter reference name, such as just "XML". Reference updated. I am just using the xml2rfc default for . > 3) I had trang () parse > the DTD fragments for me (to do that just markup the artwork with the > proper type of "application/xml-dtd", then use rfc2629xslt's > extract-artwork.xslt > ( rtwork>). > > A minor issue I found is that at least one element type definition > (addressbook) appeared multiple times; this is not really a problem as > long as they all say the same thing. > > On the other hand, address-data has three different definitions (see > ) > , depending on the context it's used in. I think this really should be > avoided. The simplest fix for this seems to just use three distinct names. Well we did have calendar-data in CalDAV do the same. I am OK with making a change if others think it is worth doing. -- Cyrus Daboo From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Sun Mar 15 19:05:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E473A6938 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:05:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.476 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.476 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=3.123, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QcdiFmFIwjvy for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A473A6876 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj2CV-0003z3-Lc for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:05:11 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj2CU-0003wk-Sv for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:05:10 +0000 Received: from daboo.name ([151.201.22.177]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj2CM-0002qX-Ca for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:05:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0191295057; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:04:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zqK-tEQCAG4K; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.197] (unknown [10.0.1.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90952129504C; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:04:34 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Julian Reschke , vcarddav@ietf.org, WebDAV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49B91D36.6010100@gmx.de> References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> <49B91D36.6010100@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=763 Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1Lj2CM-0002qX-Ca be3610c1f710ea66f2d4c86ccc6b1ba8 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] broken XML in examples, was: vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav, mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13093 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:05:11 +0000 Hi Julian, --On March 12, 2009 3:33:26 PM +0100 Julian Reschke wrote: > in > > the XML is not well-formed. > > xmlns:C="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:carddav"> > http://addressbook.example.com/bernard/addresses/< > /D:href> > > > The simplest fix would be just to use an absolute path, as in > > xmlns:C="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:carddav"> > /bernard/addresses/ > > > The same applies to Section 7.1.2. Fixed. -- Cyrus Daboo From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Sun Mar 15 19:10:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8313A6A6E for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:10:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.626 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.973, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a52uNWBAMCHa for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFC23A6876 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj2Ht-0005F2-Dn for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:10:45 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj2Hs-0005EJ-JU for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:10:44 +0000 Received: from daboo.name ([151.201.22.177]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj2Hj-0001PP-3I for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:10:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7DF1295135; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:10:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IbarRYw2szvq; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.197] (unknown [10.0.1.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD51129512A; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:10:07 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Julian Reschke , vcarddav@ietf.org, WebDAV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49B9202F.9030106@gmx.de> References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> <49B9202F.9030106@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=1211 Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1Lj2Hj-0001PP-3I 58e43fe9c731018fe4ff2448fb352e8a X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] IANA Considerations, was: vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav, mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13094 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:10:45 +0000 Hi Julian, --On March 12, 2009 3:46:07 PM +0100 Julian Reschke wrote: > A few comments with respect to the IANA Considerations > (): > > 1) The references style, as in > > "... defined by RFC4918 [RFC4918] for ..." > > looks a bit weird (artifact from a time when this document used numeric > references?) Agreed - fixed. > 2) The statement: > > "All other IANA considerations mentioned in RFC4918 [RFC4918] also > apply to this document." > > is very misleading; RFC 4918's IANA Considerations talk about URI scheme > registrations, HTTP header registrations, and HTTP status code > registrations. None of this is relevant to CardDAV, so just drop the > sentence. Yup that was a little odd. I have changed the section to simply: This document uses a URN to describe a new XML namespace conforming to the registry mechanism described in [RFC3688]. > 3) I also found the statement below confusing: > > "XML: None. Namespace URIs do not represent an XML specification." > > Proposal: just state: > > "XML: None - not applicable for namespace registrations". Changed. -- Cyrus Daboo From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Sun Mar 15 19:23:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4899A3A689F for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:23:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.36 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.36 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.639, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tTebP6TxzWJZ for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AEF83A67F2 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj2UF-0000qR-88 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:23:31 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj2UC-0000lN-N1 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:23:28 +0000 Received: from daboo.name ([151.201.22.177]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj2U3-0004Ht-SN for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:23:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F9B1295247; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:22:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S9CYDCKslxHJ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.197] (unknown [10.0.1.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33F0129523C; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:22:51 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Julian Reschke , WebDAV , vcarddav@ietf.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49BA7294.9010305@gmx.de> References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> <49BA7294.9010305@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=2945 Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1Lj2U3-0004Ht-SN c26ec61cbbd50d6a9113ebda1d027db8 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] REPORT related comments, was: vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav, mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13095 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:23:31 +0000 Hi Julian, --On March 13, 2009 3:49:56 PM +0100 Julian Reschke wrote: > 1) Editorial: when referring to specific reports (not the REPORT method), > the spec sometimes uses "report", and sometimes "REPORT". Please be > consistent (with a preference on the lowercase variant, to distinguish > from the actual method name). Fixed. > 2) WebDAV reports should be consistent in how various depths are handled > (see RFC 3253, Section 3.6). The best way to achieve this is by exactly > defining what the scope is for Depth == 0. If the request URI is a WebDAV > collection, the behavior for Depth == 1 or Depth == infinity will follow > from that. Otherwise it should be specified or ruled out (see ACL > reports). > > 3) Related to that: > > "As a result the "Depth" header MUST be ignored by the server and SHOULD > NOT be sent by the client." -- > > > Nope. Really :-). This is incompatible with generic report handling. > Instead, specify the desired behavior for Depth == 0, require clients to > set Depth == 0 or leave it out, and require servers to return status 400 > for other values (like in RFC 3744). Ok, so then we go with "the Depth header MUST be present and set to the value 0 (zero)" in all of these reports. Is that sufficient? > 4) Editorial: > > "The request body MUST be a CARDDAV:addressbook-multiget XML element (see > Section 10.7, which MUST contain at least one DAV: href XML element, and > one optional CARDDAV:address-data element as defined in Section 10.4." > -- > > Missing ")" after "Section 10.7". Fixed. > 5) It goes on saying: > > "If the Request-URI is a collection resource, then the DAV:href elements > MUST refer to resources within that collection, and they MAY refer to > resources at any depth within the collection. As a result the "Depth" > header MUST be ignored by the server and SHOULD NOT be sent by the > client. If the Request-URI refers to a non-collection resource, then > there MUST be a single DAV:href element that is equivalent to the > Request-URI." > > I think it would be simpler to define it this way: > > "If DAV:href elements are present, the scope of the request is the set of > resources identified by these elements, which all need to be members (not > necessarily internal members) of the resource identified by the > Request-URI. Otherwise, the scope is the resource identified by the > Request-URI itself." > > This avoids the special-casing, and gets rid of the repeated URI in the > DAV:href element for non-collections. I have made this change. Whilst this is technically significant in that it changes the way things work when the multiget is targeted at a single URI, I don't believe I have seen anyone actually using it that way in CalDAV so it won't hurt to do the change here. -- Cyrus Daboo From janebukwa@yahoo.co.uk Sun Mar 15 23:01:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC57B28C123; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:01:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.809 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.809 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FB_PENIS=1.66, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, FRT_COCK=1.544, FRT_PENIS1=3.592, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_DYNAMIC=1.144, INVALID_MSGID=1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_12=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_31=0.6, MANGLED_CCK=2.3, MANGLED_PENIS=2.3, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_ADLTOBFU=0.68, SARE_ADLTSUB1=1.66, SARE_OBFU_PART_OCK=1.666, SARE_OBFU_PENIS_SUB=3.333, SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b=1.666, SUBJECT_FUZZY_PENIS=3.096, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uuCpQ91Loxo6; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 218-167-6-23.dynamic.hinet.net (218-167-6-23.dynamic.hinet.net [218.167.6.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2463028C130; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:01:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 134.24.125.51 by smtp.218.167.6.23; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:00:42 +0200 Message-ID: <219je311214DHQM> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:01:42 -0500 From: "Rob Ritter" To: "Carolina Butts" Subject: pen1s make big huge Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hello Ted, We have solution for your small c0ck problem http://www.koyepetul.cn Make your pen1s a tool of ASS destruction! http://www.koyepetul.cn From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon Mar 16 02:41:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92BC28C13B for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:41:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.961 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.961 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.638, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vVib+1OjXfTB for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CFB3A6963 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj9J0-0007SN-2I for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:40:22 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj9Iy-0007Rj-RZ for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:40:20 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj9Iq-0005bj-0E for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:40:20 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Mar 2009 09:39:39 -0000 Received: from p508FD011.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.22]) [80.143.208.17] by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 10:39:39 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18pv0IJNnIpuxSp8OBJHSz6FIiJkpV7eVHa3auypt QRK6Ynkvn+baPY Message-ID: <49BE1E55.90001@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:39:33 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cyrus Daboo CC: vcarddav@ietf.org, WebDAV References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> <49B91113.4070407@gmx.de> <106DEFF0F6F2F4F4E5E6E70D@socrates.local> In-Reply-To: <106DEFF0F6F2F4F4E5E6E70D@socrates.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.46 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1Lj9Iq-0005bj-0E 37d045a2654a3a776e8ebac697afb74c X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] use of DTD in draft-ietf-vcarddav-carddav-06, was: vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav, mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13096 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:40:22 +0000 Cyrus Daboo wrote: > ... >> 2) The XML spec reference needs to be updated to W3C.REC-xml-20081126, >> just as in draft-ietf-vcarddav-webdav-mkcol-04. (Note I'd recommend to >> use a shorter reference name, such as just "XML". > > Reference updated. I am just using the xml2rfc default for symrefs="yes"?>. > ... Yep. xml2rfc's default IMHO is wrong, and results in bad readability. Here's a replacement: Extensible Markup Language (XML) 1.0 (Fifth Edition) Textuality and Netscape
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>> 3) I had trang () parse >> the DTD fragments for me (to do that just markup the artwork with the >> proper type of "application/xml-dtd", then use rfc2629xslt's >> extract-artwork.xslt >> (> rtwork>). >> >> A minor issue I found is that at least one element type definition >> (addressbook) appeared multiple times; this is not really a problem as >> long as they all say the same thing. >> >> On the other hand, address-data has three different definitions (see >> ) >> , depending on the context it's used in. I think this really should be >> avoided. The simplest fix for this seems to just use three distinct >> names. > > Well we did have calendar-data in CalDAV do the same. I am OK with > making a change if others think it is worth doing. I think in the long term the right approach would be not to use DTD fragments anymore, and to use RelaxNG instead. But while we're using DTDs, I absolutely recommend to use them in a way so that at least in theory they can be used. One alternative approach would be to use "ANY", and put all the remaining restrictions into prose. That being said, it seems to me that adding more specific elements actually would make the vocabulary easier to understand. BR, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon Mar 16 02:52:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46D63A698E for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:52:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.687, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v9Etq7LeN3Z3 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A243A67D7 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj9V8-0003hs-TE for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:52:54 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj9V7-0003h4-Sl for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:52:54 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by maggie.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lj9Uz-0005Mq-2R for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:52:53 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Mar 2009 09:52:13 -0000 Received: from p508FD011.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.22]) [80.143.208.17] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 10:52:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19/aX4qUD9/LRBSsx8WeMHvNmAlOMbooqR6VQT7Kw gAdlkc3GLqxpBj Message-ID: <49BE214B.7040700@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:52:11 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cyrus Daboo CC: WebDAV , vcarddav@ietf.org References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> <49BA7294.9010305@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.51 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1Lj9Uz-0005Mq-2R 89ae9e712f984612f62e022ca8ff1005 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] REPORT related comments, was: vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav, mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13097 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:52:54 +0000 Cyrus Daboo wrote: > ... >> 3) Related to that: >> >> "As a result the "Depth" header MUST be ignored by the server and SHOULD >> NOT be sent by the client." -- >> >> >> Nope. Really :-). This is incompatible with generic report handling. >> Instead, specify the desired behavior for Depth == 0, require clients to >> set Depth == 0 or leave it out, and require servers to return status 400 >> for other values (like in RFC 3744). > > Ok, so then we go with "the Depth header MUST be present and set to the > value 0 (zero)" in all of these reports. Is that sufficient? The default is 0 anyway (per RFC 3253). Making a requirement on the client doesn't make sense here; if Depth values != 0 are not supported, then the requirement is on the server to reject the request. That being said: are you positively sure that the default depth handling defined in RFC 3253 does not apply here? 1) addressbook-query In this case, the scope is the set of address objects contained in the address book collection (at the request URI), right? (*) Thus depth != 0 would essentially mean the same thing, as recursion into child collections wouldn't (by definition) find any additional address objects. Thus, I don't see any reason to forbid it, just mention it's meaningless. (*) Or is it allowed to address a specific address object? 2) multiget Again, I think it would become clearer if you could precisely define what the scope for Depth 0 is. Does it include indirect child resources (they wouldn't be address objects, but could still report WebDAV properties, right?)? > ... 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From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon Mar 16 09:52:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EFD3A687F for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:52:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.16 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.16 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.439, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2k2qUCJg0Zkp for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3E73A699F for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjG35-00070G-Eu for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:52:23 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjG33-0006zX-R3 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:52:22 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by maggie.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjG2r-0008Mg-BK for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:52:21 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Mar 2009 16:51:38 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp005) with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 17:51:38 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+OeTZVwUuO9RQ/+9wvti/C6DRam16D+OfyiNgK0H ec1r5xrbYqC09l Message-ID: <49BE8394.9030707@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:51:32 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WebDAV , vcarddav@ietf.org References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.54 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1LjG2r-0008Mg-BK 29cda9efc0390c9df02924fac1b13a9a X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: some more editorial issues with carddav-06, was: [VCARDDAV] vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav,mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13098 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:52:23 +0000 Hi, below are some more minor issues...: 1) 6.1.1: "In this example, the OPTIONS response indicates that the server supports CardDAV in this namespace, therefore the '/addressbooks/users/' collection may be used as a parent for address book collections as the extended MKCOL method is available, and as a possible target for REPORT requests for address book reports." The fact that (a) the server does know about carddav, and (b) that it supports extended MKCOL does not necessarily mean it will be able to create address books everywhere below the Request-URI... If this kind of feature discovery is needed, then we probably need to invent something like DAV:supported-resource-types (and define that in ext-mkcol). 2) 6.2.2: legacy types It would be interesting to see an example where the server also supports the "legacy" mime types (as they use a parameter). 3) 6.2.2: copy/move behavior "Protected: MUST be protected as it indicates the level of support provided by the server. COPY/MOVE behavior: This property value MUST be preserved in COPY and MOVE operations." That essentially means that best-effort copy of address books is not allowed -- is this really intended??? I think it's not consistent with the behavior in other WebDAV specs (such as a copy of a version history resource that is also a collection). See also 6.3.2.1, (CARDDAV:addressbook-collection-location-ok). 4) 6.3 Creating Resources "Address book collections and address object resources may be created by either a CardDAV client or by the CardDAV server." Actually, it's always the server creating them. I believe this should state that creation can be *initiated* by both the server or the client. 5) 6.3.2 Creating Address Object Resources "The request to change an existing address object resource is the same, but with a specific ETag in the "If-Match" header, rather than the "If-None-Match" header." That suggests that an update operation *needs* If-Match. Proposal: rephrase to make clear it's optional, but provides protection against overlapping updates. 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From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Mar 17 04:02:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3EE3A6B2D for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:02:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.887 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.512, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_38=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T-LbbbhM38iH for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760F23A6B6C for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjX2n-0003FH-5y for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:01:13 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjX2m-0003Ed-Ap for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:01:12 +0000 Received: from gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com ([192.18.6.24]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjX2b-00021H-R5 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:01:12 +0000 Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-1-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.10]) by gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2HB0U2D028599 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:00:30 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KGN00K00CUZ0X00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:00:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [129.150.117.208] ([unknown] [129.150.117.208]) by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KGN003Z6D8TO5D0@fe-emea-09.sun.com>; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:00:29 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:00:29 +0100 From: Arnaud Quillaud In-reply-to: <49BA902E.7020001@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke Cc: WebDAV , vcarddav@ietf.org Message-id: <49BF82CD.2000106@sun.com> References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> <49BA7294.9010305@gmx.de> <49BA902E.7020001@gmx.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1LjX2b-00021H-R5 45f88be24dcc0a7d51270dcf961c1878 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] Pseudo-properties in reports, was: vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav, mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13099 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:01:13 +0000 I think all the points below are valid, except that CardDAV is simply following the approach taken by CalDAV. Given the similarities between the 2 protocols, and given that people implementing one are likely to implement the other, it will be very confusing if we start to diverge (and it won't simplify implementations). Arnaud Q Julian Reschke wrote: > Hi, > > this is somehow related to a discussion we had in July 2007 > (): > > >> Property model >> >> The specs avoid exposing the content of their data objects as WebDAV >> properties. This leads to lots of workarounds, such as introducing >> "pseudo-properties" containing the actual content >> (CARDDAV:addressbook-data), and abuse of DAV:prop for something that >> is not a WebDAV property. Don't do this, it requires generic WebDAV >> servers to use lots of special cases. (WebDAV SEARCH started with >> pseudo properties but got successfully rid of them, so this can be >> done). > > As far as I recall, the feedback I got was that making them full-blown > WebDAV properties would be both expensive, and lose flexibility. I am > still not sure that I buy that. > > But, accepting this for now, then CardDAV should really stop > pretending that these pseudo properties are WebDAV properties in > reports - it is really confusing, and makes implementing a generic > server hard if something appears as a property only in specific > contexts. Furthermore, the current specification makes it harder to > re-use generic code, as it overloads not only the semantics, but also > the syntax of DAV:prop. > > Consider the use of DAV:prop in: > > xmlns:C="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:carddav"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > match-type="equals" > >me > > > > > -- > > > Here, DAV:prop contains both a true WebDAV property, and a > pseudo-property: > > > > > > > > > > > > > That pseudo property though needs special treatment, it's *not* just > an identifier, but an identifier augmented with parameters. There's > really no point in putting it into a DAV:prop, as generic WebDAV XML > handling code is not capable to use it. > > So, IMHO, the right thing here is to make C:address-data a top-level > element in the request, as in: > > > xmlns:C="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:carddav"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > match-type="equals" > >me > > > > > This also means that the response format needs to be extended; but > again, this is a good thing - generic code handling > multistatus/propstat will be confused anyway, so it's *good* not to > overload DAV:propstat with things that do not belong there. > > Note that during the development of WebDAV SEARCH (RFC 5323), > pseudo-properties were used both for request (DAV:iscollection) and > responses (DAV:score), but fortunately we got rid of these problems > (see, for instance, > ). > > > Best regards, Julian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > VCARDDAV mailing list > VCARDDAV@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vcarddav From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Mar 17 04:15:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB86228C124 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:15:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.416, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ci9My1YF7fLt for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D06428C0CF for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjXGv-0001x0-KP for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:15:49 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjXGv-0001wM-1s for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:15:49 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by maggie.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjXGm-0006An-AA for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:15:48 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Mar 2009 11:15:09 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 12:15:09 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/LEQsaAN3LfYRM8Xmyfh5CresTVZgst/t3VtjaVC IdR0foaPx8IE0D Message-ID: <49BF863A.5080607@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:15:06 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arnaud Quillaud CC: WebDAV , vcarddav@ietf.org References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> <49BA7294.9010305@gmx.de> <49BA902E.7020001@gmx.de> <49BF82CD.2000106@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <49BF82CD.2000106@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.66 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1LjXGm-0006An-AA 06c95540326a055dc511b4a3fa83f611 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] Pseudo-properties in reports, was: vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav, mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13100 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:15:49 +0000 Arnaud Quillaud wrote: > I think all the points below are valid, except that CardDAV is simply > following the approach taken by CalDAV. > Given the similarities between the 2 protocols, and given that people > implementing one are likely to implement the other, it will be very > confusing if we start to diverge (and it won't simplify implementations). > ... Well, it *is* confusing for people who haven't implemented CalDAV, but other WebDAV extensions, such as SEARCH (which successfully avoided overloading properties). So I personally think if we need to choose between "the right way" and "the CalDAV way", we should choose the former (and this also applies to other aspecs I haven't mentioned yet, such as the requirements on ETag behavior). Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Mar 17 06:50:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3F83A68D2 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:50:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.165 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.165 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.434, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vTEl1xMNRsbb for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32DF3A6828 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjZgS-0001WR-B1 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:50:20 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjZgQ-0001Vn-SQ for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:50:18 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjZgH-0007Ij-Uw for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:50:18 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Mar 2009 13:49:38 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp071) with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 14:49:38 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19dlmAreWJdxrAbstJSCJkTyVojTffRIE4zMQxLd6 P8vu+OlE1144zy Message-ID: <49BFAA6E.1030203@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:49:34 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vcarddav@ietf.org, WebDAV References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.57 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1LjZgH-0007Ij-Uw 7616bd45ed1eb557a39ef5b0e0a15284 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: carddav requirements on DAV:displayname, was: [VCARDDAV] vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav,mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13101 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:50:20 +0000 Hi, looking at Section 6.3.1: Clients SHOULD use the DAV:displayname property for a human-readable name of the address book. Clients can either specify the value of the DAV:displayname property in the request body of the extended MKCOL request, or alternatively issue a PROPPATCH request to change the DAV:displayname property to the appropriate value immediately after using the extended MKCOL request. Clients SHOULD NOT set the DAV:displayname property to be the same as any other address book collection at the same URI "level". When displaying address book collections to users, clients SHOULD check the DAV:displayname property and use that value as the name of the address book. In the event that the DAV:displayname property is not set, the client MAY use the last part of the address book collection URI as the name, however that path segment may be "opaque" and not represent any meaningful human-readable text. -- In particular: ...Clients SHOULD NOT set the DAV:displayname property to be the same as any other address book collection at the same URI "level"... I realize that this is another CalDAVism. What I'm concerned with is that this introduces a normative requirement, which, in some cases, may be very expensive to implement, for instance if the parent collection of the address books is very large. Also, what is a client supposed to do when the user-assigned displayname turns out to be already in use? Report an error and ask the user for a different name??? In general, WebDAV clients can not rely on DAV:displayname being unique across a collection and will have to fall back to the last path segment if they need to present something unique to the user. Thus, violating the SHOULD level requirement would not cause any interop problems, and thus use of RFC2119 terminology is not really required. So, IMHO, the spec should better just *encourage* assignment of meaningful names here. (Besiders, if this really is a problem, shouldn't it also be mentioned for COPY and MOVE???) Related to this: it seems that CARDDAV:calendar-description duplicates information that is already contained in DAV:displayname. Compare: "If present, the property contains a description of the calendar collection that is suitable for presentation to a user." (CARDDAV:calendar-description) and "Contains a description of the resource that is suitable for presentation to a user." (DAV:displayname) Is there any reason to believe that adding a new property here is really useful (other than consistency with CalDAV :-))? Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Mar 17 08:00:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B61C28C175 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:00:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.414, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x3Pj7pHfdDSb for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE44928C182 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ljam9-0008Mu-2E for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:00:17 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ljam5-0008Dw-GL for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:00:13 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ljalw-0008Na-Ek for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:00:13 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Mar 2009 14:59:32 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp011) with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 15:59:32 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19KLnBYw+9K0snehIibqBt/rWtbtSufmrnWWGHA8m cfWwFvcilOIVas Message-ID: <49BFBAD0.40002@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:59:28 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WebDAV CC: vcarddav@ietf.org References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1Ljalw-0008Na-Ek 8ebbd18fb0cf2798544f43bd2b55bd6c X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Entity tag related requirements in carddav, was: [VCARDDAV] vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav,mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13102 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:00:17 +0000 Hi, 1) Editorial: 4.1 Address Book Server "However, clients MUST be prepared for address data on the server to change between the time of last synchronization and when attempting an update, as address book collections may be shared and accessible via multiple clients." I don't think that this requires RFC2119 terminology (this applied IMHO to many other specs where it's overused). Simply point out that in absence of locking, resources can change. "Entity tags and other features help this work." That's true, but a bit vague. What does "other feature" refer to? Locking? 2) 6.3.2.3 Address Object Resource Entity Tag This section duplicates ETag requirements from CalDAV which IMHO are controversial (see ). I think the language encourages implementations to either not expose ETags (which is clearly inferior to exposing weak etags), or to claim they are strong when in fact the server can't make that guarantee because of the way the backing storage works. It would be interesting to know what percentage of CalDAV servers actually do implement this properly. (Related discussion for CalDAV: around ). Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Mar 17 08:38:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F0428C176 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:38:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.135 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.135 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.464, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p6p1pZ71Z4CC for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD45B3A69EC for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjbNT-0005hR-4w for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:38:51 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjbNR-0005gk-MT for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:38:49 +0000 Received: from gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com ([192.18.6.21]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjbNI-0004OE-QU for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:38:49 +0000 Received: from fe-emea-10.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe2.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.11]) by gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2HFc9dX019134 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:38:09 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-10.sun.com by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KGN00800PSX7N00@fe-emea-10.sun.com> for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:38:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [129.150.117.60] ([unknown] [129.150.117.60]) by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KGN008I8Q36NY80@fe-emea-10.sun.com>; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:37:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:37:54 +0100 From: Arnaud Quillaud In-reply-to: <49BF863A.5080607@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke Cc: WebDAV , vcarddav@ietf.org Message-id: <49BFC3D2.3000503@sun.com> References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> <49BA7294.9010305@gmx.de> <49BA902E.7020001@gmx.de> <49BF82CD.2000106@sun.com> <49BF863A.5080607@gmx.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1LjbNI-0004OE-QU a99a07d4ef299bcd03dc68484fb30b61 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] Pseudo-properties in reports, was: vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav, mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13103 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:38:51 +0000 Julian Reschke wrote: > Arnaud Quillaud wrote: >> I think all the points below are valid, except that CardDAV is simply >> following the approach taken by CalDAV. >> Given the similarities between the 2 protocols, and given that people >> implementing one are likely to implement the other, it will be very >> confusing if we start to diverge (and it won't simplify >> implementations). > > ... > > Well, it *is* confusing for people who haven't implemented CalDAV, but > other WebDAV extensions, such as SEARCH (which successfully avoided > overloading properties). My feeling is that there are many more clients/servers doing CalDAV + CardDAV than clients/server doing CardDAV + SEARCH but of course I have no numbers to back that statement. Arnaud Q > > So I personally think if we need to choose between "the right way" and > "the CalDAV way", we should choose the former (and this also applies > to other aspecs I haven't mentioned yet, such as the requirements on > ETag behavior). > > Best regards, Julian > > > _______________________________________________ > VCARDDAV mailing list > VCARDDAV@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vcarddav From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Mar 17 08:42:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E229628C176 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:42:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.853 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.853 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=3.746, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U4Dlydu-geAL for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF343A6A35 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjbRe-0007A5-2Y for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:43:10 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjbRd-00079M-4r for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:43:09 +0000 Received: from daboo.name ([151.201.22.177]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjbRQ-0004th-I0 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:43:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE2A12A0ABF; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:42:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bkktWVgU5jhq; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caldav.corp.apple.com (unknown [17.101.32.44]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016F112A0AB8; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:42:17 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Arnaud Quillaud , Julian Reschke cc: WebDAV , vcarddav@ietf.org Message-ID: <6860E8290019F704A14034EB@caldav.corp.apple.com> In-Reply-To: <49BFC3D2.3000503@sun.com> References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> <49BA7294.9010305@gmx.de> <49BA902E.7020001@gmx.de> <49BF82CD.2000106@sun.com> <49BF863A.5080607@gmx.de> <49BFC3D2.3000503@sun.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=817 Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1LjbRQ-0004th-I0 86210f1c8ff1f450bb37dfc51fa77f60 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] Pseudo-properties in reports, was: vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav, mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13104 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:43:10 +0000 Hi Arnaud, --On March 17, 2009 4:37:54 PM +0100 Arnaud Quillaud wrote: >> Well, it *is* confusing for people who haven't implemented CalDAV, but >> other WebDAV extensions, such as SEARCH (which successfully avoided >> overloading properties). > My feeling is that there are many more clients/servers doing CalDAV + > CardDAV than clients/server doing CardDAV + SEARCH but of course I have > no numbers to back that statement. I will have this as an open issue for discussion at the meeting next week. My preference is to leave it as-is. Having done implementations of this (probably over half-a-dozen different varieties of clients/servers CardDAV and CalDAV) I really see no problem with the pseudo property - including starting with a base WebDAV implementation. -- Cyrus Daboo From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Mar 17 09:29:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAF73A6846 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:29:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.862 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.862 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.137, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_37=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2QLQMD3Iocud for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DBC3A682D for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ljc9j-0004Jw-L9 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:28:43 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ljc9i-0004Ip-4m for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:28:42 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by maggie.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ljc9Z-0004Xb-26 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:28:41 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Mar 2009 16:28:01 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 17:28:01 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/dnfgwZGXdgUqhtbfeaEPXoc0WD58l+dQI+miuG4 T/gL3Av4qFRYZ4 Message-ID: <49BFCF8D.2080909@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:27:57 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WebDAV , vcarddav@ietf.org References: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <49A2CFC8.3080805@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1Ljc9Z-0004Xb-26 dcf18985132465eafd0381e434531702 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Minor issues in carddav, was: [VCARDDAV] vcarddav WGLC on draft-ietf-vcarddav-{carddav,mkcol} Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13105 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:28:43 +0000 Hi, and finally (for now), here's a bag of minor issues... 1) Editorial (references) "To date several protocols have been used for remote access to contact data, including Lightweight Directory Access Protocol LDAP [RFC4511], Internet Message Support Protocol IMSP [IMSP] and Application Configuration Access Protocol ACAP [RFC2244]," Put the abbreviated terms in brackets. "vCard [RFC2426] is a MIME directory profile aimed at encapsulating personal addressing and contact information about people. The specification of vCard was originally done by the Versit consortium, with a subsequent 3.0 version standardized by the IETF [RFC2426]." I guess the first reference to RFC2426 should be removed. "Definitions of XML elements in this document use XML element type declarations (as found in XML Document Type Declarations), described in Section 3.2 of [W3C.REC-xml-20060816]." Just say "[XML]" :-) 2) Editorial: WebDAV properties vs vCard properties It might be a good idea to properly explain the difference between those upfront, and to check in the remainder of the spec that it's always clear which one is meant. 3) Editorial: CARDDAV:allprop XML Element Maybe it would avoid confusion with DAV:allprop if it was called: cdarddav:allcomponents (or something like that). 4) 11. Service Discovery via SRV Records RFC2782 states that security considerations MUST be included (just relaying this, no idea what would need to go in here). And that's it. 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Compare: > > "If present, the property contains a description of the calendar > collection that is suitable for presentation to a user." > (CARDDAV:calendar-description) > > and > > "Contains a description of the resource that is suitable for > presentation to a user." (DAV:displayname) > ... Hi, Werner Baumann noticed that RFC 4918 indeed *also* says: > Purpose: > Provides a name for the resource that is suitable for presentation to a user. which conflicts with > Description: > Contains a description of the resource that is suitable for presentation to a user. This property is defined on the resource, and hence SHOULD have the same value independent of the Request-URI used to retrieve it (thus, computing this property based on the Request-URI is deprecated). While generic clients might display the property value to end users, client UI designers must understand that the method for identifying resources is still the URL. Changes to DAV:displayname do not issue moves or copies to the server, but simply change a piece of meta-data on the individual resource. Two resources can have the same DAV:displayname value even within the same collection. (both in ). A description of a resource is not the same thing as the name of a resource. Should we record that as issue? And if we do, what would be the proposed resolution? As far as I can tell, when DAV:displayname is set, it's almost always used as a more verbose name, but not as a description. 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CONVINCE HER TO EXPERIMENT MORE

If your wife or girlfriend just lies there during love and you want more action, first ask yourself: Is she loglike outside of the bedroom? Because if she doesn't exercise, stretch, dance—anything—it's going to take some effort to bring out her inner bunny.

Before she can enjoy your body, she has to start enjoying her own. Invite her to go hiking, or buy her a gift certificate for yoga classes. Anything that will get her blood flowing is likely to liven up her sexual M.O. by raising her confidence in her body.

If she's already active yet carnally comatose, try to reconnect with her in a sensual way. Suggest taking a long, soapy shower together or trading full-body rubdowns in bed, and lavish her body with attention. Nothing softens a woman up or turns her on like a little pampering.

Want to mix it up more? Even if she's not into role-playing or video cameras, there are plenty of prudish props that can mimic kink. Grab a spatula and offer to treat her like an omelet. Use a spray bottle to spritz her down.

Countless household items have kinky potential. The trick is to plant the object within reach (or coax her into finding new uses for the kitchen, laundry room, toolshed ...) and make your decision to bring it into play appear totally spontaneous.

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From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon Mar 23 07:22:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A27C3A6A43 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:22:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.138 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.138 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.461, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JDCyE8fHXaa7 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A133A6858 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lll1f-00004r-CM for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:21:15 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lll1d-0008Vo-Pe for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:21:14 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by maggie.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lll1S-0003ld-SN for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:21:13 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Mar 2009 14:13:51 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 15:13:51 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+50dF5yi65qZs94wqd6cOr8cOfmcMlzVp/x0mKO2 +h2t62aM6lu12Q Message-ID: <49C7991C.5000706@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:13:48 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cyrus Daboo CC: WebDAV , CardDAV , CalDAV References: <29696E9E8589A72FC19EB4F6@caldav.corp.apple.com> In-Reply-To: <29696E9E8589A72FC19EB4F6@caldav.corp.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.5 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1Lll1S-0003ld-SN 708b68dbe6f2eecd0f6b57cd28d7281f X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: draft-daboo-webdav-sync-01 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13108 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:21:15 +0000 Hi, below are some comments on draft-daboo-webdav-sync-01. High Level: First of all, the complexity of this mainly depends on the type of server. For instance, for a Subversion-style store (with a global change counter) this could be almost trivial, while it may be very hard to implement for many others. Also, there's some related work in this area, such as: - using a feed format (Atom?) - sending notifications over XMPP () - Microsoft's take on it: SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE/NOTIFY/POLL () - Notifications, as defined in JCR (Java Content Repository), which at some point we'll want to transport over HTTP.... - RFC 3253 (DeltaV) and WebDAV BIND which clarify what the state of a collection is, and define a property (DAV:resource-id) which could be used to define "sameness" of a WebDAV resource under name changes. Regarding Section 3, "Open Issues": "1. Should we try and discriminate between changes to the body of a resource and changes to the properties?" I think we need to. "2. If we indicate a property change, should we return the list of properties that changed on each resource (propnames NOT values)?" Why only the names? "3. Should we provide a way to indicate that a 'new' resource is new in the collection as a result of a COPY or MOVE from another location, as opposed to being created?" At least MOVE and COPY should be handled separately; DAV:resource-id () could be used for that. "4. Should we provide a way to indicate that a 'deleted' resource was removed from the collection as a result of a MOVE to another location, as opposed to being actually deleted?" Not sure it makes a difference. "5. How should ACLs be handled? e.g. a resource is visible to a user at one point in time, then its privilege is removed. Should the resource be marked as having been deleted when next synchronized?" Why deleted? I realize that some servers return 404 for resources the user doesn't have read access to, but that's not the general case. "6. Do we want a special indicator for a resource that was deleted and then re-created, as opposed to just indicating that the resource was 'changed'?" I think the information is needed. It could be provided using DAV:resource-id. Other substantial comments: 1. Introduction "This can currently be done using a WebDAV PROPFIND request on a collection to list all members of a collection along with their HTTP ETag values, which allows the client to determine which resources were changed, added or deleted." s/HTTP ETag values/DAV:getetag property values/ Also note this wouldn't necessarily detect property changes. "Additionally, a new property is added to collection resources that is used to convey a "synchronization token" that is guaranteed to change when the contents of the collection have changed." You need to define the term "contents" here. Obviously, it includes data that is not included in the collection's state, as defined in RFC 3253, for example. 4.1 "HTTP already defines a synchronization token in the form of an entity tag which is attached to a resource. However, the entity tag is not always required to be 'strong' and thus cannot be relied on absolutely as a valid synchronization indicator. In addition, there is no concept of an entity tag for a collection's contents." Sic -- it's because that term is not defined (at least not in the way this spec wants to use it :-) 4.2 "To implement the behavior for this REPORT a server needs to keep track of changes to any resources in a collection." Need to clarify what "in a collection" means; I guess "Internal Member", as defined by RFC 4918, Section 3? "The request URI MUST be a collection." Why? "The "Depth" header MUST be ignored by the server and SHOULD NOT be sent by the client." Nope, see earlier discussion. "The response body for a successful request MUST be a DAV:multistatus XML element, which MUST contain one DAV:sync-token element in addition to any DAV:sync-response elements." Not sure why this re-uses DAV:multistatus, and then puts something completely else as child elements. Editorial Comments: - state venue for discussion - expand abbreviations on first use - 4.1 "The is specification defines a new WebDAV REPORT that is used to enable client-server collection synchronization." "The is"? "That is done by the client sending an empty token value to the server." I think "no token" would be better. - "4.2 REPORT defined" Title. "If the report is not available, clients MUST NOT attempt to execute one." Requirement unnecessary. 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03/26/2009

CONVINCE HER TO EXPERIMENT MORE

If your wife or girlfriend just lies there during love and you want more action, first ask yourself: Is she loglike outside of the bedroom? Because if she doesn't exercise, stretch, dance—anything—it's going to take some effort to bring out her inner bunny.

Before she can enjoy your body, she has to start enjoying her own. Invite her to go hiking, or buy her a gift certificate for yoga classes. Anything that will get her blood flowing is likely to liven up her sexual M.O. by raising her confidence in her body.

If she's already active yet carnally comatose, try to reconnect with her in a sensual way. Suggest taking a long, soapy shower together or trading full-body rubdowns in bed, and lavish her body with attention. Nothing softens a woman up or turns her on like a little pampering.

Want to mix it up more? Even if she's not into role-playing or video cameras, there are plenty of prudish props that can mimic kink. Grab a spatula and offer to treat her like an omelet. Use a spray bottle to spritz her down.

Countless household items have kinky potential. The trick is to plant the object within reach (or coax her into finding new uses for the kitchen, laundry room, toolshed ...) and make your decision to bring it into play appear totally spontaneous.

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