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From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon May 25 06:35:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AC53A6D0A for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:35:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.028 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.028 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.571, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6ebjfquK0q1P for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6193A67CC for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 06:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8aL2-0004qz-9T for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:35:36 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8aL1-0004q9-Cl for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:35:35 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8aKs-0001Ww-GO for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:35:35 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 May 2009 13:34:54 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 25 May 2009 15:34:54 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Aa09R9b7A+43ySGQyVN31M/UBYmaP962HptY0/L 2BmEfZanO2QkFb Message-ID: <4A1A9E73.7060301@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:34:43 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WebDAV CC: Alexey Melnikov , Jason Crawford , Geoffrey M Clemm , Jim Whitehead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.48 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1M8aKs-0001Ww-GO 57b34805e8a723a17fc7f5374f8d5470 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: WebDAV BIND LC issue: confusion about "alternate URI" Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13119 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:35:36 +0000 Hi, this is another issue raised by the Apps Area Director (Alexey Melnikov). In Section 3.1 () we currently say: "3.1. DAV:resource-id Property The DAV:resource-id property is a REQUIRED property that enables clients to determine whether two bindings are to the same resource. The value of DAV:resource-id is a URI, and may use any registered URI scheme that guarantees the uniqueness of the value across all resources for all time (e.g. the urn:uuid: URN namespace defined in [RFC4122] or the opaquelocktoken: URI scheme defined in [RFC4918]). Note: by definition, the URI specified in the DAV:resource-id property always is an alternate URI for that resource." The last sentence was added in autumn 2007, after Yaron Goland asked for a way to use REBIND and BIND without the risk of race conditions. My suggestion was that as the resource-ID *is* a URI for the resource, a server could accept it in the BIND/REBIND request, even if it wasn't an HTTP URL. See discussion in . So, given a DAV:resource-id of (inside DAV:href...), it would be legal to use BIND like this: BIND /CollY HTTP/1.1 Host: www.example.com Content-Type: application/xml; charset="utf-8" Content-Length: xxx bar.html urn:uuid:f81d4fae-7dec-11d0-a765-00a0c91e6bf8 But, back then, we didn't want to *require* a server to support this, as it implies the ability to look up a resource by DAV:resource-id, which the spec currently does not require in the first place. Summarizing: I still think this is a neat idea, and it would be interesting to implement this experimentally. But then, the statement apparently causes confusion, instead of clarification. Thus, my recommendation is to remove it. 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From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon May 25 16:38:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526743A6A08 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:38:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IMBMF-06eqwV for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDAD3A68BE for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8jkS-0004KS-3n for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:38:28 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8jkQ-0004Jo-HN for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:38:26 +0000 Received: from e4.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.144]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M8jkH-0002zG-8X for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:38:26 +0000 Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by e4.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4PNXHa2014167 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:33:17 -0400 Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (d01av01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.215]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.2) with ESMTP id n4PNbkSt210658 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:37:46 -0400 Received: from d01av01.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n4PNbjNw010421 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:37:46 -0400 Received: from d01ml261.pok.ibm.com (d01ml261.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.97]) by d01av01.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n4PNbjLq010414; Mon, 25 May 2009 19:37:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4A1A9E73.7060301@gmx.de> References: <4A1A9E73.7060301@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke Cc: Alexey Melnikov , Jim Whitehead , Jason Crawford , WebDAV MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KeepSent: 64F2042E:80968BF4-852575C1:0081F1E2; type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.0.2 HF623 January 16, 2009 From: Geoffrey M Clemm Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:37:44 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML261/01/M/IBM(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 05/25/2009 19:37:45, Serialize complete at 05/25/2009 19:37:45 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0081FCD8852575C1_=" Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1M8jkH-0002zG-8X ddf90525bb9b1152c0a89c1ca5aaaac9 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: WebDAV BIND LC issue: confusion about "alternate URI" Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13120 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:38:28 +0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0081FCD8852575C1_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Removing the Note is fine with me. Cheers, Geoff Julian Reschke wrote on 05/25/2009 09:34:43 AM: > [image removed] > > WebDAV BIND LC issue: confusion about "alternate URI" > > Julian Reschke > > to: > > WebDAV > > 05/25/2009 09:34 AM > > Cc: > > Alexey Melnikov, Jason Crawford, Geoffrey M Clemm, Jim Whitehead > > Hi, > > this is another issue raised by the Apps Area Director (Alexey Melnikov). > > In Section 3.1 > ( bind-23.html#rfc.section.3.1>) > we currently say: > > "3.1. DAV:resource-id Property > > The DAV:resource-id property is a REQUIRED property that enables clients > to determine whether two bindings are to the same resource. The value of > DAV:resource-id is a URI, and may use any registered URI scheme that > guarantees the uniqueness of the value across all resources for all time > (e.g. the urn:uuid: URN namespace defined in [RFC4122] or the > opaquelocktoken: URI scheme defined in [RFC4918]). > > > > Note: by definition, the URI specified in the DAV:resource-id property > always is an alternate URI for that resource." > > The last sentence was added in autumn 2007, after Yaron Goland asked for > a way to use REBIND and BIND without the risk of race conditions. My > suggestion was that as the resource-ID *is* a URI for the resource, a > server could accept it in the BIND/REBIND request, even if it wasn't an > HTTP URL. See discussion in > . > > So, given a DAV:resource-id of > (inside DAV:href...), it > would be legal to use BIND like this: > > BIND /CollY HTTP/1.1 > Host: www.example.com > Content-Type: application/xml; charset="utf-8" > Content-Length: xxx > > > > bar.html > urn:uuid:f81d4fae-7dec-11d0-a765-00a0c91e6bf8 > > > But, back then, we didn't want to *require* a server to support this, as > it implies the ability to look up a resource by DAV:resource-id, which > the spec currently does not require in the first place. > > Summarizing: I still think this is a neat idea, and it would be > interesting to implement this experimentally. But then, the statement > apparently causes confusion, instead of clarification. > > Thus, my recommendation is to remove it. > > Feedback appreciated, > > Julian > > > > > --=_alternative 0081FCD8852575C1_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Removing the Note is fine with me.

Cheers,
Geoff

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote on 05/25/2009 09:34:43 AM: > [image removed]
> > WebDAV BIND LC issue: confusion about "alternate URI"
> > Julian Reschke
> > to:
> > WebDAV
> > 05/25/2009 09:34 AM
> > Cc:
> > Alexey Melnikov, Jason Crawford, Geoffrey M Clemm, Jim Whitehead
> > Hi, > > this is another issue raised by the Apps Area Director (Alexey Melnikov). > > In Section 3.1 > (<http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-ietf-webdav-> bind-23.html#rfc.section.3.1>) > we currently say: > > "3.1. DAV:resource-id Property > > The DAV:resource-id property is a REQUIRED property that enables clients > to determine whether two bindings are to the same resource. The value of > DAV:resource-id is a URI, and may use any registered URI scheme that > guarantees the uniqueness of the value across all resources for all time > (e.g. the urn:uuid: URN namespace defined in [RFC4122] or the > opaquelocktoken: URI scheme defined in [RFC4918]). > > <!ELEMENT resource-id (href)> > > Note: by definition, the URI specified in the DAV:resource-id property > always is an alternate URI for that resource." > > The last sentence was added in autumn 2007, after Yaron Goland asked for > a way to use REBIND and BIND without the risk of race conditions. My > suggestion was that as the resource-ID *is* a URI for the resource, a > server could accept it in the BIND/REBIND request, even if it wasn't an > HTTP URL. See discussion in > <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-dist-auth/2007OctDec/0029.html>. > > So, given a DAV:resource-id of > <urn:uuid:f81d4fae-7dec-11d0-a765-00a0c91e6bf8> (inside DAV:href...), it > would be legal to use BIND like this: > > BIND /CollY HTTP/1.1 > Host:www.example.com> Content-Type: application/xml; charset="utf-8" > Content-Length: xxx > > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?> > <D:bind xmlns:D="DAV:"> > <D:segment>bar.html</D:segment> > <D:href>urn:uuid:f81d4fae-7dec-11d0-a765-00a0c91e6bf8</D:href> > </D:bind> > > But, back then, we didn't want to *require* a server to support this, as > it implies the ability to look up a resource by DAV:resource-id, which > the spec currently does not require in the first place. > > Summarizing: I still think this is a neat idea, and it would be > interesting to implement this experimentally. But then, the statement > apparently causes confusion, instead of clarification. > > Thus, my recommendation is to remove it. > > Feedback appreciated, > > Julian > > > > > --=_alternative 0081FCD8852575C1_=-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue May 26 11:49:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBE63A7129 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:49:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.651 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.651 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.348, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q-3RmMm6z2z9 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2813A711F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M91iJ-00073T-O4 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:49:27 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M91iI-00072p-Iz for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:49:26 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by maggie.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M91iC-0001V9-9w for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:49:26 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 May 2009 18:48:45 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp062) with SMTP; 26 May 2009 20:48:45 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18VIbV5kGQVYV07QT+dIXl6MymhBa7qV0N1VEIvle KhO3/5qv2yS/mE Message-ID: <4A1C3989.1060100@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:48:41 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WebDAV References: <63953d43-3044-4019-b612-5d303fbe9b70@default> In-Reply-To: <63953d43-3044-4019-b612-5d303fbe9b70@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.55 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1M91iC-0001V9-9w bd67f246825c3a8ee636e0d3b2bd8976 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Renditions/Reviews/Thumbnails in WebDAV Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13121 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:49:27 +0000 Hi, the CMIS TC is currently discussing how to expose thumbnails in their API. While listening to that discussion, I realized it would be trivial in WebDAV, based on link-typed properties and the DAV:expand-property REPORT. So, the use case is: retrieve contents of a folder, and for each image in the folder, retrieve URLs + metadata for thumbnail images. Solution: 1) New property x:preview-set, containing a set of DAV:href elements referencing HTTP resources representing the preview (thumbnail) resources. 2) The DAV:expand-property () already allows getting the contents of a collection, while also expanding link-type properties. Such as: REPORT / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.webdav.org Depth: 1 Content-Type: text/xml; charset="utf-8" Content-Length: xxxx Note that this REPORT will also allow retrieving properties of the link targets, such as the thumbnail's dimensions. BR, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed May 27 00:20:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813553A6AB4 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 00:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TsY0GEb0YATh for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 00:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA613A6ABD for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 00:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9DRo-0002Yn-NL for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:21:12 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9DRn-0002Y4-FS for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:21:11 +0000 Received: from jacques.telenet-ops.be ([195.130.132.50]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9DRY-0002La-9k for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:21:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.109] ([84.195.151.206]) by jacques.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id wXLV1b00P4TSYLc0JXLVCx; Wed, 27 May 2009 09:20:30 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Werner_Donn=E9?= To: Julian Reschke In-Reply-To: <4A1C3989.1060100@gmx.de> References: <63953d43-3044-4019-b612-5d303fbe9b70@default> <4A1C3989.1060100@gmx.de> Message-Id: <0ABE4CE3-BB9E-4A81-94EF-E492F3FA62E7@re.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:20:28 +0200 Cc: WebDAV X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: neutral X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1M9DRY-0002La-9k 3e43ad90fc20cc8ba5493441bd1a5633 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Renditions/Reviews/Thumbnails in WebDAV Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13122 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:21:12 +0000 Hi, I would not limit preview-sets to images. Any type of document can =20 have a preview thumbnail (cfr. Coverflow on Mac OS X). When retrieving preview-set in expand-property, into what the URLs in preview-set would expand? There should be a property to represent an embedded form of a =20 thumbnail, i.e. one that also contains an element with the base64-encoded binary =20 stream of the thumbnail. This way the contents of a folder, thumbnails included, =20= could be retrieved with a single round-trip, which is much more efficient on =20= the server-side. Such a property would be available directly in the PROPFIND method. Best regards, Werner. On 26 May 2009, at 20:48, Julian Reschke wrote: > Hi, > > the CMIS TC is currently discussing how to expose thumbnails in =20 > their API. While listening to that discussion, I realized it would =20 > be trivial in WebDAV, based on link-typed properties and the =20 > DAV:expand-property REPORT. > > So, the use case is: retrieve contents of a folder, and for each =20 > image in the folder, retrieve URLs + metadata for thumbnail images. > > Solution: > > 1) New property x:preview-set, containing a set of DAV:href elements =20= > referencing HTTP resources representing the preview (thumbnail) =20 > resources. > > 2) The DAV:expand-property = ( >) already allows getting the contents of a collection, while also =20 > expanding link-type properties. > > Such as: > > REPORT / HTTP/1.1 > Host: www.webdav.org > Depth: 1 > Content-Type: text/xml; charset=3D"utf-8" > Content-Length: xxxx > > > > > > > Note that this REPORT will also allow retrieving properties of the =20 > link targets, such as the thumbnail's dimensions. > > BR, Julian -- Werner Donn=E9 -- Re = http://www.pincette.biz Engelbeekstraat 8 = http://www.re.be BE-3300 Tienen tel: (+32) 486 425803 e-mail: werner.donne@re.be From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed May 27 00:31:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF253A6F0D for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 00:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.650, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id InHpxSLhy1cK for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 00:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D298D3A6C93 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 00:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9DdB-0000fB-Pg for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:32:57 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9DdA-0000eX-TJ for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:32:57 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by maggie.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9Dd5-0002qg-1y for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 07:32:56 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 May 2009 07:32:20 -0000 Received: from p508FC507.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.22]) [80.143.197.7] by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 27 May 2009 09:32:20 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+cI54HM1Gcx0p0yAtsIs8nPD6CgxDq78SIuNwDtX 2MOJrD3zf0DVtD Message-ID: <4A1CEC81.1050208@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:32:17 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Werner_Donn=E9?= CC: WebDAV References: <63953d43-3044-4019-b612-5d303fbe9b70@default> <4A1C3989.1060100@gmx.de> <0ABE4CE3-BB9E-4A81-94EF-E492F3FA62E7@re.be> In-Reply-To: <0ABE4CE3-BB9E-4A81-94EF-E492F3FA62E7@re.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1M9Dd5-0002qg-1y 8332825b2a363eb0b15493cb96c1c4c1 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Renditions/Reviews/Thumbnails in WebDAV Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13123 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:32:57 +0000 Werner Donné wrote: > Hi, > > I would not limit preview-sets to images. Any type of document can have a > preview thumbnail (cfr. Coverflow on Mac OS X). Yes, that was the intention. Another use case are short, low-quality excerpts from audio files. > When retrieving preview-set in expand-property, into what the URLs in > preview-set would expand? That would be server-defined. In theory, it wouldn't need to be WebDAV resources at all. > There should be a property to represent an embedded form of a thumbnail, > i.e. > one that also contains an element with the base64-encoded binary stream of > the thumbnail. This way the contents of a folder, thumbnails included, > could > be retrieved with a single round-trip, which is much more efficient on the > server-side. Such a property would be available directly in the PROPFIND > method. > ... In theory that can be done using the "data" uri scheme as well. The tricky question here is who's role is to decide when inlining is better; the client or the server? (the latter does have more information about the size). Also, inlining has the drawback of defeating caching. 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From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Thu May 28 06:20:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B2F3A6DBD for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:20:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.702, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jah2oWiGx1ry for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A5A3A6E60 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 06:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9fWZ-0004mK-9R for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:19:59 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9fWY-0004lb-64 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:19:58 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by maggie.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9fWQ-0005Ax-28 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:19:57 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 May 2009 13:19:18 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.106]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp026) with SMTP; 28 May 2009 15:19:18 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/gKDQTrafgfC+KHhxnVIWXtXdLnruhKGu6ywslar IdqenfU0+wv2E2 Message-ID: <4A1E8F51.9030508@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:19:13 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WebDAV CC: Alexey Melnikov , Geoffrey M Clemm , Jim Whitehead , Jason Crawford Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.62 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1M9fWQ-0005Ax-28 3bb98d6ef896183a44bea30371474f1b X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: WebDAV BIND LC issue: confusion about term "binding integrity" Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13124 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:19:59 +0000 Hi, this is another issue raised by the Apps Area Director (Alexey Melnikov). In several parts of the spec we mention the "integrity" of bindings, without having formally introduced that term (see ). Proposal: add the text below to the Terminology Section: -- snip -- Binding Integrity The property of a binding that says that: * the binding continues to exist, and * the identity of the resource identified by that binding does not change unless an explicit request is executed that is defined to delete that binding (examples of requests that delete a binding are DELETE, MOVE, and - defined later on - UNBIND, and REBIND). -- snip -- BR, Julian PS: thanks to Geoff for the proposed text from which I worked. From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Fri May 29 01:37:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A463A68C3 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:37:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.791, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zGtADkvN8+ai for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4743A67A6 for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 01:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9xaN-0006Mz-UG for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:37:07 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9xaM-0006Fi-Ad for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:37:06 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by maggie.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M9xaC-0007SM-Hx for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 08:37:05 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 May 2009 08:36:25 -0000 Received: from p508FC404.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.22]) [80.143.196.4] by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 29 May 2009 10:36:25 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+wkKMLvNqwMFUJVjtJgnRzCT20krUKyat81/JPBU 16n61o23CJTkZT Message-ID: <4A1F9E83.3030108@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:36:19 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org References: <20090529081502.287D928C116@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20090529081502.287D928C116@core3.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.57 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1M9xaC-0007SM-Hx a7e1c12f27f451879947fb46ba03909d X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-webdav-bind-24.txt Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13125 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:37:07 +0000 FYI: The IETF Last Call has ended yesterday. 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From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Sat May 30 01:46:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3588C3A6D00 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 01:46:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.154 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.154 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.444, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bRLKVZT1n64Z for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 01:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BE43A6835 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 01:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAKCL-0003kZ-7c for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:45:49 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAKCK-0003jv-7p for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:45:48 +0000 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.141]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAKCE-00080k-HK for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Sat, 30 May 2009 08:45:48 +0000 Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4U8f4p6025425 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:41:04 -0400 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.2) with ESMTP id n4U8jBDn248462 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:45:11 -0400 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n4U8jAYV011550 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:45:11 -0400 Received: from d01ml261.pok.ibm.com (d01ml261.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.97]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n4U8jAut011543; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:45:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: <274D46DDEB9F2244B2F1EA66B3FF54BC052901EF@de01exm70.ds.mot.com> References: <274D46DDEB9F2244B2F1EA66B3FF54BC052901EF@de01exm70.ds.mot.com> To: "McCann Peter-A001034" Cc: draft-ietf-webdav-bind@tools.ietf.org, "Cullen Jennings" , gen-art@ietf.org, w3c-dist-auth@w3.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KeepSent: 950F0D8D:0FB97342-852575C6:002F97AB; type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 8.0.2 HF623 January 16, 2009 From: Geoffrey M Clemm Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 04:45:11 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML261/01/M/IBM(Release 8.0.1|February 07, 2008) at 05/30/2009 04:45:09, Serialize complete at 05/30/2009 04:45:09 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0030455A852575C6_=" Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1MAKCE-00080k-HK f27b42e485e73e7011910a5caa36805c X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-webdav-bind-23 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13126 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:45:49 +0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0030455A852575C6_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" "McCann Peter-A001034" wrote on 05/29/2009 12:41:47 PM: > I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer > for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see > http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html > ). > > Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments > you may receive. > > Document: draft-ietf-webdav-bind-23 > Reviewer: Pete McCann > Review Date: 29 May 2009 > IETF LC End Date: 28 May 2009 > IESG Telechat date: unknown > > Summary: Ready for publication as Experimental. I had a few minor > questions that might just be a result of my own lack of > understanding. > > Major issues: > > Minor issues: > > Section 2.3: > If because of multiple > bindings to a resource, more than one source resource updates a > single destination resource, the order of the updates is server > defined. > Are you trying to say that a Request-URI can map to more than one > resource? I didn't think this was possible. This is the scenario where the source collection, S, contains two bindings to two distinct resources (S/a->R1 and S/b->R2), while the destination collection D contains two bindings to the same resource (D/a->R3 and D/b->R3). If you copy S to D, then after the copy, it is up to the server whether R3 has the same content as R1 or R2. So it is a case of two bindings to the same resource, not a single URI being mapped to more than one resource (which as you say, is impossible). > If a COPY request would cause a new resource to be created as a copy > of an existing resource, and that COPY request has already created a > copy of that existing resource, the COPY request instead creates > another binding to the previous copy, instead of creating a new > resource. > This confused me a bit, but after reading the examples in the next > section I think I understand what is intended here: do you mean that > if the resource graph pointed at by the Request-URI itself has multiple > bindings to the same resouce, that resource is only copied once by > the COPY operation? Yes. > Nits/editorial comments: > > Abstract: s/insure/ensure/ Agreed. Cheers, Geoff --=_alternative 0030455A852575C6_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
"McCann Peter-A001034" <pete.mccann@motorola.com> wrote on 05/29/2009 12:41:47 PM: > I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer > for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see >http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html> <http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html> ). > > Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments > you may receive. > > Document: draft-ietf-webdav-bind-23 > Reviewer: Pete McCann > Review Date: 29 May 2009 > IETF LC End Date: 28 May 2009 > IESG Telechat date: unknown > > Summary: Ready for publication as Experimental. I had a few minor > questions that might just be a result of my own lack of > understanding. > > Major issues: > > Minor issues: > > Section 2.3: > If because of multiple > bindings to a resource, more than one source resource updates a > single destination resource, the order of the updates is server > defined. > Are you trying to say that a Request-URI can map to more than one > resource? I didn't think this was possible.

This is the scenario where the source collection, S, contains two bindings to two distinct resources (S/a->R1 and S/b->R2), while the destination collection D contains two bindings to the same resource (D/a->R3 and D/b->R3). If you copy S to D, then after the copy, it is up to the server whether R3 has the same content as R1 or R2.

So it is a case of two bindings to the same resource, not a single URI being mapped to more than one resource (which as you say, is impossible).
> If a COPY request would cause a new resource to be created as a copy > of an existing resource, and that COPY request has already created a > copy of that existing resource, the COPY request instead creates > another binding to the previous copy, instead of creating a new > resource. > This confused me a bit, but after reading the examples in the next > section I think I understand what is intended here: do you mean that > if the resource graph pointed at by the Request-URI itself has multiple > bindings to the same resouce, that resource is only copied once by > the COPY operation?

Yes.
> Nits/editorial comments: > > Abstract: s/insure/ensure/

Agreed.
Cheers,
Geoff
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