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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CB02B0.FC43EA00-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon Jun 7 09:48:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67FD3A6956 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=5.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Eso-q7s1puPm for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBF228CD22 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLcqC-0003mB-FF for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:58:12 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLcqB-0003l7-P0 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:58:11 +0000 Received: from daboo.name ([151.201.22.177]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLcq9-0006dj-Hl for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:58:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF131706BD29; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:57:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BV3FP2+KmeMe; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caldav.corp.apple.com (unknown [17.101.32.44]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5AD011706BD1D; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:57:09 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org cc: caldav@ietf.org, vcarddav@ietf.org Message-ID: <2D7356DA1153057D7AE554D8@caldav.corp.apple.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=2011 Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1OLcq9-0006dj-Hl 5e4f42a5a4e356601beada40c41c3b3c X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: WebDAv collection sync: last issue Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13266 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:58:12 +0000 Hi folks, The latest WebDAV collection sync draft is here: . We believe we are close to done with this and would like to submit to the IESG soon. However, there is one open issue that we need feedback from implementors on. The question is whether collection resources that are immediate children of the collection being targeted for the REPORT should be reported as "modified" if any of their child resources (depth infinity) are modified. Key points: 1) We have deliberately scoped the REPORT defined in this draft to be Depth:1 only - i.e. it will only report changes to immediate children. Depth:infinity change reporting was ruled out at this time (though eventually we would expect to see it defined if there is interest). 2) The first real implementations of this REPORT are being done for CalDAV and CardDAV servers where typically calendar/addressbook collections only have immediate child resources and not collections - so the draft as currently written is fine. (BTW there are already several client and server implementations of this draft that have been tested at various interops). However, my concern is that more "general" WebDAV servers may wish to do reporting of changes to immediate child collections to allow clients to progressively sync an entire hierarchy. 3) Reporting changes to immediate child collections requires any change at depth:infinity within those collections to "bubble up" - i.e. a change with a collection changes its DAV:sync-token and the properties of all its parent collections. This potentially places a big performance burden on the server - particularly if it were to choose to support the REPORT on the root resource. In reality servers would probably limit the scope of the report to a reasonable "sub-hierarchy" set (e.g. CalDAV and CardDAV servers would only support the REPORT on calendar or address book home collections and not on any parents of those). -- Cyrus Daboo From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon Jun 7 09:50:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC4428C979 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:50:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.766 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.766 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=3.233, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_39=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zz993qedj93J for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6C63A800E for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLca1-0002bc-9u for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:41:29 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLca0-0002aI-DI for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:41:28 +0000 Received: from daboo.name ([151.201.22.177]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLcZy-0000Hy-K3 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:41:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDFE1706BBC3 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:40:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m4LqbnmnWIKc for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caldav.corp.apple.com (unknown [17.101.32.44]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BBA0C1706BBB8 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:40:26 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: WebDAV Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=374 Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_05=-1.11 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1OLcZy-0000Hy-K3 4577d727fedd9e27089e32bebafb3019 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: ACL: DAV:privilege element - multiple child elements? Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13265 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:41:29 +0000 Hi, RFC3744 defines DAV:privilege as: "ANY" technically implies one or more child elements. However, all examples in 3744 have just a single child. It has been my assumption that only one child is allowed. However, I recently came across a server that is returning multiple child elements. So what is, or is not, allowed here? -- Cyrus Daboo From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon Jun 7 10:19:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852573A6DC6 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.184 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.184 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.815, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_39=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PS1AoPNrsb3p for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D489028C3C9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 08:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLd8g-0004fu-ID for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:17:18 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLd8f-0004eq-Vj for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:17:18 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLd8d-0004I4-CM for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:17:17 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Jun 2010 14:10:04 -0000 Received: from p508FC5B6.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.197.182] by mail.gmx.net (mp047) with SMTP; 07 Jun 2010 16:10:04 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19VL/sjy51V2x3cmv0lMGWYk8eddOmK1Q/bmMYRWm kKxrYjY/JB3NVv Message-ID: <4C0CFDB8.8000002@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:10:00 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cyrus Daboo CC: WebDAV References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1OLd8d-0004I4-CM 18e6e257581df2a31698326ea6c9e110 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: ACL: DAV:privilege element - multiple child elements? Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13267 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:17:18 +0000 On 07.06.2010 15:40, Cyrus Daboo wrote: > Hi, > RFC3744 defines DAV:privilege as: > > > > "ANY" technically implies one or more child elements. However, all > examples in 3744 have just a single child. It has been my assumption > that only one child is allowed. However, I recently came across a server > that is returning multiple child elements. So what is, or is not, > allowed here? The spec really doesn't say. On the other hand, the intent is pretty clear, because in the cases where multiple privileges can be listed, it's the *parent* element that would occur multiple times. Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon Jun 7 10:21:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041D33A6E3C for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:21:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.574 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.574 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.425, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_39=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xru4KL+SZhpB for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F34C3A6767 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 08:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLdBB-0004xA-C6 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:19:53 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLdBA-0004w1-Qm for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:19:52 +0000 Received: from daboo.name ([151.201.22.177]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLdB9-00050Q-20 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:19:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8391706BF54; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:18:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z4izYKK1QDRh; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [17.101.35.28] (unknown [17.101.35.28]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2F0071706BF49; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:18:53 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Julian Reschke cc: WebDAV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C0CFDB8.8000002@gmx.de> References: <4C0CFDB8.8000002@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=951 Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1OLdB9-00050Q-20 c5b2ff00f603d90590e37417189cb999 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: ACL: DAV:privilege element - multiple child elements? Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13268 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:19:53 +0000 Hi Julian, --On June 7, 2010 4:10:00 PM +0200 Julian Reschke wrote: >> "ANY" technically implies one or more child elements. However, all >> examples in 3744 have just a single child. It has been my assumption >> that only one child is allowed. However, I recently came across a server >> that is returning multiple child elements. So what is, or is not, >> allowed here? > > The spec really doesn't say. > > On the other hand, the intent is pretty clear, because in the cases where > multiple privileges can be listed, it's the *parent* element that would > occur multiple times. Can you add a comment to your ACL spec update work to clarify this? I think some text for the two (yes there are two) DAV:privilege definitions making it clear that there is only one child would be good. Either that or the definition of DAV:privilege is given its own section with appropriate description of its content. -- Cyrus Daboo From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Mon Jun 7 21:16:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17713A6888 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 21:16:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.723 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.723 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=4.276, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xvnF0F3XD7wb for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 21:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617943A6935 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 21:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLqD7-0001nA-K8 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 04:14:45 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLqD6-0001m6-1o for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 04:14:44 +0000 Received: from hoppy.mcmillan.net.nz ([202.78.240.82] helo=mail.morphoss.com ident=postfix) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLqD2-00046T-Vm for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 04:14:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.morphoss.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063F22374D; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:14:10 +1200 (NZST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.morphoss.com Received: from mail.morphoss.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hoppy.mcmillan.net.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xuN2dWpa9Y-q; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:13:54 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [192.168.55.20] (home.mcmillan.net.nz [202.160.48.75]) (Authenticated sender: andrew@mail.morphoss.com) by mail.morphoss.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DD8EA23757; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:13:53 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McMillan To: Tim Hare Cc: 'Cyrus Daboo' , w3c-dist-auth@w3.org, caldav@ietf.org, vcarddav@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <001f01cb06a4$38a483a0$a9ed8ae0$@net> (sfid-20100608_124828_094303_CD91AB6B) References: <2D7356DA1153057D7AE554D8@caldav.corp.apple.com> <001f01cb06a4$38a483a0$a9ed8ae0$@net> (sfid-20100608_124828_094303_CD91AB6B) Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ejaWjkx6i6kFmrtII6i/" Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:13:52 +1200 Message-ID: <1275970432.3820.9378.camel@happy.home.mcmillan.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.1.2 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1OLqD2-00046T-Vm 660abe00d2bb237682fad0f3fdcccd87 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: [caldav] WebDAv collection sync: last issue Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13269 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 04:14:45 +0000 --=-ejaWjkx6i6kFmrtII6i/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2010-06-07 at 20:47 -0400, Tim Hare wrote: > I am not an implementor, but it seems to me that many Calendar/addressboo= k > collections might be depth:2 to accomodate groups like mailing lists ? Hi Tim, Yes, that could be one way of implementing such things, though the specifications for CalDAV explicitly state that calendar collections may not contain collections. In DAViCal I did implement multiple-calendars-as-one-calendar by allowing collections of calendars (or more typically bindings to calendars) to present as if they were a calendar. In order to avoid stepping on the specification I gave these collections a special resourcetype. FWIW DAViCal's implementation of WebDAV sync is OK with depth infinity, since (as the other poster points out) it makes little difference for query based systems. Regards, Andrew McMillan. >=20 > Tim Hare > Interested Bystander, Non-Inc. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: caldav-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:caldav-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of > Cyrus Daboo > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:57 AM > To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org > Cc: caldav@ietf.org; vcarddav@ietf.org > Subject: [caldav] WebDAv collection sync: last issue >=20 > Hi folks, > The latest WebDAV collection sync draft is here:=20 > . We believe w= e=20 > are close to done with this and would like to submit to the IESG soon.= =20 > However, there is one open issue that we need feedback from implementors = on. >=20 > The question is whether collection resources that are immediate children = of=20 > the collection being targeted for the REPORT should be reported as=20 > "modified" if any of their child resources (depth infinity) are modified. >=20 > Key points: >=20 > 1) We have deliberately scoped the REPORT defined in this draft to be=20 > Depth:1 only - i.e. it will only report changes to immediate children.= =20 > Depth:infinity change reporting was ruled out at this time (though=20 > eventually we would expect to see it defined if there is interest). >=20 > 2) The first real implementations of this REPORT are being done for CalDA= V=20 > and CardDAV servers where typically calendar/addressbook collections only= =20 > have immediate child resources and not collections - so the draft as=20 > currently written is fine. (BTW there are already several client and serv= er=20 > implementations of this draft that have been tested at various interops).= =20 > However, my concern is that more "general" WebDAV servers may wish to do= =20 > reporting of changes to immediate child collections to allow clients to= =20 > progressively sync an entire hierarchy. >=20 > 3) Reporting changes to immediate child collections requires any change a= t=20 > depth:infinity within those collections to "bubble up" - i.e. a change wi= th=20 > a collection changes its DAV:sync-token and the properties of all its=20 > parent collections. This potentially places a big performance burden on t= he=20 > server - particularly if it were to choose to support the REPORT on the= =20 > root resource. In reality servers would probably limit the scope of the= =20 > report to a reasonable "sub-hierarchy" set (e.g. CalDAV and CardDAV serve= rs=20 > would only support the REPORT on calendar or address book home collection= s=20 > and not on any parents of those). >=20 --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ andrew (AT) morphoss (DOT) com +64(272)DEBIAN Chicken Little only has to be right once. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --=-ejaWjkx6i6kFmrtII6i/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkwNw3wACgkQjJA0f48GgBJSfwCgressZTzmgNLG7rdZIqrH64P3 SMoAoL51F2PYhe3m0+noO3Q06w9LDDXM =XrLh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ejaWjkx6i6kFmrtII6i/-- From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Jun 8 00:16:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C063A6991 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 00:16:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.841 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.841 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.599, BAYES_20=-0.74, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IT+1BeQIMXGi for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 00:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173A43A690D for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 00:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLt1W-00038u-By for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:14:58 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLt1U-00036A-MZ for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:14:56 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLt1S-00067h-Nh for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:14:56 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Jun 2010 07:14:22 -0000 Received: from p508FDFE6.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.223.230] by mail.gmx.net (mp041) with SMTP; 08 Jun 2010 09:14:22 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18W8Xs7hZIWxYrG+8QmIKtXa4KaEtNgsuvsjZX8lT EA5vhy5+4SsvOy Message-ID: <4C0DEDC8.1090200@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:14:16 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Werner_Donn=E9?= CC: Cyrus Daboo , caldav@ietf.org, w3c-dist-auth@w3.org, vcarddav@ietf.org References: <2D7356DA1153057D7AE554D8@caldav.corp.apple.com> <0296DA16-10E8-47A9-959D-2B9681BEAB36@pincette.biz> In-Reply-To: <0296DA16-10E8-47A9-959D-2B9681BEAB36@pincette.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1OLt1S-00067h-Nh dfeccd05ff6bff8fd01d74b305c6e4fb X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] WebDAv collection sync: last issue Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13270 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:14:58 +0000 On 07.06.2010 17:11, Werner Donn� wrote: > Hi, > > I don't see why Depth:infinity should be ruled out from the start. You can let the server decide if the performance penalty is too high or not. A server with a relational system underneath it, for example, can do this with one query. > > I don't agree with the "bubble up" principle. A collection changes when its member set changes. Changing a resource that is referred to by one of the members doesn't affect the collection, whether that resource is a collection or not. I think the "bubble up" principal is not consistent with the "getlastmodified" property. It is also not needed if Depth:infinity is supported. > > Best regards, > > Werner. Agreed. In particular: defining a report works by defining it for Depth: 0. The semantics for Depth: 1 and Depth: infinity follow by the definition in RFC 3253. It's probably *really* time to pull the definition of REPORT out of RFC 3253 and place it into a separate spec, including more rationale, recommendations for defining new reports, and examples. Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Jun 8 02:06:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FA728C12E for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 02:06:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.876 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.876 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.124, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_39=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 37Yq0zoVq+Pe for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 02:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F1228C116 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 02:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLuki-0006En-TX for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:05:44 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLukh-0006Dh-W5 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:05:44 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLukd-0005iy-8R for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:05:43 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Jun 2010 07:18:27 -0000 Received: from p508FDFE6.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.223.230] by mail.gmx.net (mp013) with SMTP; 08 Jun 2010 09:18:27 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19saQJovitsvehO4/T7JVXiIQuaDrz+dTs38nUBvu BSc3/SddvYLL6c Message-ID: <4C0DEEBC.8070407@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:18:20 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cyrus Daboo CC: WebDAV References: <4C0CFDB8.8000002@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1OLukd-0005iy-8R a5916c776318ce9ae0c8f401c23b720c X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: ACL: DAV:privilege element - multiple child elements? Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13271 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:05:44 +0000 On 07.06.2010 16:18, Cyrus Daboo wrote: >>> "ANY" technically implies one or more child elements. However, all >>> examples in 3744 have just a single child. It has been my assumption >>> that only one child is allowed. However, I recently came across a server >>> that is returning multiple child elements. So what is, or is not, >>> allowed here? >> >> The spec really doesn't say. >> >> On the other hand, the intent is pretty clear, because in the cases where >> multiple privileges can be listed, it's the *parent* element that would >> occur multiple times. > > Can you add a comment to your ACL spec update work to clarify this? I > think some text for the two (yes there are two) DAV:privilege > definitions making it clear that there is only one child would be good. > Either that or the definition of DAV:privilege is given its own section > with appropriate description of its content. For now, I just added the issue. To actually make a change we need some sort of consensus over here. Would people be ok to consider this a clarification, and just to add a comment to the DTD, such as ? In particular, you wrote you saw the "other" behaviour in the wild. Are the developers aware of this issue, or even on this list? Are they willing to change their implementation? Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Jun 8 02:59:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C50E28C155 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 02:59:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.352 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.352 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.247, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CiQ5V5hQ6E3M for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 02:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3132428C152 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 02:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLvaI-0001K2-Tn for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:59:02 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLvaI-0001Is-7v for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:59:02 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLvaD-0003e2-F6 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:59:02 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Jun 2010 07:11:46 -0000 Received: from p508FDFE6.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.223.230] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 08 Jun 2010 09:11:46 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX193mP9tOZR3eJ3GEgTfEZafoHkf8LiTm9vRplymww tiRwAhBk872bMY Message-ID: <4C0DED2A.80701@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:11:38 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Hare CC: 'Cyrus Daboo' , w3c-dist-auth@w3.org, caldav@ietf.org, vcarddav@ietf.org References: <2D7356DA1153057D7AE554D8@caldav.corp.apple.com> <001f01cb06a4$38a483a0$a9ed8ae0$@net> In-Reply-To: <001f01cb06a4$38a483a0$a9ed8ae0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1OLvaD-0003e2-F6 d10de9864103b3f26913363220a9c811 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] [caldav] WebDAv collection sync: last issue Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13272 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:59:02 +0000 On 08.06.2010 02:47, Tim Hare wrote: > I am not an implementor, but it seems to me that many Calendar/addressbook > collections might be depth:2 to accomodate groups like mailing lists ? > > Tim Hare > Interested Bystander, Non-Inc. There is no "Depth: 2" unless we introduce it. The Depth header is inherited from RFC 4918 (see ). Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Jun 8 05:14:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C834928C196 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:14:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.585 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.585 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, J_CHICKENPOX_39=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0spqNQ-JxYuJ for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F06028C18A for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLxfr-00074q-Ky for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:12:55 +0000 Received: from [128.30.52.43] (helo=wiggum.w3.org) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLxfq-00072V-3w for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:12:54 +0000 Received: from nobody by wiggum.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OLxfq-0006HG-1h for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:12:54 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLthS-0000Ee-Ey for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:58:18 +0000 Received: from mailhost.softwareagusa.com ([157.189.2.66]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLthN-0000Et-LC for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:58:18 +0000 Received: from mailhost.softwareagusa.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.softwareagusa.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F57F414C for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.software-ag.de (server3.hq.sag [10.20.90.32]) by mailhost.softwareagusa.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8685BF4173 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.software-ag.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.software-ag.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BE214799 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:18:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from DAEMSG01.eur.ad.sag (daemsg01b.eur.ad.sag [10.22.90.92]) by server3.software-ag.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E66414795 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:18:20 +0200 (CEST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:18:05 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DAV:privilege element - multiple child elements? Thread-Index: AcsGR1axOJ/DvU+CQIO7iJeRXTsvpwAAfhDQ References: From: "Weber, Heiko" To: "WebDAV" Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1OLthN-0000Et-LC 84250629710fdc9f4dbca44548922612 X-caa-id: 32210f5e7ea4d17de751 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: RE: DAV:privilege element - multiple child elements? Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13273 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:12:55 +0000 How about creating XML Schemas for all WebDAV XML response and request documents, so that it is really clear what is meant? We have created such XML schemas for at least some of the documents when we implemented the WebDAV support in the Tamino XML Server and can share these, if there is some place where they could be put... best regards, Heiko Weber -----Original Message----- From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Cyrus Daboo Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:40 PM To: WebDAV Subject: ACL: DAV:privilege element - multiple child elements? Hi, RFC3744 defines DAV:privilege as: "ANY" technically implies one or more child elements. However, all examples in 3744 have just a single child. It has been my assumption that only one child is allowed. However, I recently came across a server that is returning multiple child elements. So what is, or is not, allowed here? -- Cyrus Daboo From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Jun 8 05:14:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AAA728C181 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:14:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.622 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.622 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=4.676, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MwHapSN-qdJo for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A73628C199 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLxhB-0007f3-F2 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:14:17 +0000 Received: from [128.30.52.43] (helo=wiggum.w3.org) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLxhA-0007bp-QD for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:14:16 +0000 Received: from nobody by wiggum.w3.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OLxhA-0006tj-NJ for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:14:16 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLdzZ-0007AA-6J for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 15:11:57 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f216.google.com ([209.85.219.216]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLdzW-0003eM-Hu for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 15:11:57 +0000 Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so899429ewy.28 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 08:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.31.141 with SMTP id y13mr998110ebc.34.1275923479214; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 08:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.111] (94-226-41-246.access.telenet.be [94.226.41.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm2709127ewy.5.2010.06.07.08.11.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Jun 2010 08:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Werner_Donn=E9?= In-Reply-To: <2D7356DA1153057D7AE554D8@caldav.corp.apple.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:11:15 +0200 Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org, caldav@ietf.org, vcarddav@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0296DA16-10E8-47A9-959D-2B9681BEAB36@pincette.biz> References: <2D7356DA1153057D7AE554D8@caldav.corp.apple.com> To: Cyrus Daboo X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: neutral X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1OLdzW-0003eM-Hu 3bb9c3733431e9cb99f6c479c38ffea9 X-caa-id: 8ce725b189a076348789 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: WebDAv collection sync: last issue Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13274 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:14:17 +0000 Hi, I don't see why Depth:infinity should be ruled out from the start. You = can let the server decide if the performance penalty is too high or not. = A server with a relational system underneath it, for example, can do = this with one query. I don't agree with the "bubble up" principle. A collection changes when = its member set changes. Changing a resource that is referred to by one = of the members doesn't affect the collection, whether that resource is a = collection or not. I think the "bubble up" principal is not consistent = with the "getlastmodified" property. It is also not needed if = Depth:infinity is supported. Best regards, Werner. On 07 Jun 2010, at 15:57, Cyrus Daboo wrote: > Hi folks, > The latest WebDAV collection sync draft is here: = . We believe = we are close to done with this and would like to submit to the IESG = soon. However, there is one open issue that we need feedback from = implementors on. >=20 > The question is whether collection resources that are immediate = children of the collection being targeted for the REPORT should be = reported as "modified" if any of their child resources (depth infinity) = are modified. >=20 > Key points: >=20 > 1) We have deliberately scoped the REPORT defined in this draft to be = Depth:1 only - i.e. it will only report changes to immediate children. = Depth:infinity change reporting was ruled out at this time (though = eventually we would expect to see it defined if there is interest). >=20 > 2) The first real implementations of this REPORT are being done for = CalDAV and CardDAV servers where typically calendar/addressbook = collections only have immediate child resources and not collections - so = the draft as currently written is fine. (BTW there are already several = client and server implementations of this draft that have been tested at = various interops). However, my concern is that more "general" WebDAV = servers may wish to do reporting of changes to immediate child = collections to allow clients to progressively sync an entire hierarchy. >=20 > 3) Reporting changes to immediate child collections requires any = change at depth:infinity within those collections to "bubble up" - i.e. = a change with a collection changes its DAV:sync-token and the properties = of all its parent collections. This potentially places a big performance = burden on the server - particularly if it were to choose to support the = REPORT on the root resource. In reality servers would probably limit the = scope of the report to a reasonable "sub-hierarchy" set (e.g. CalDAV and = CardDAV servers would only support the REPORT on calendar or address = book home collections and not on any parents of those). >=20 > --=20 > Cyrus Daboo >=20 >=20 -- http://www.pincette.biz/ Handling your documents with care, wherever you are. From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Jun 8 06:37:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1042B28C1C0 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:37:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_39=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xUrJkyVPyc9G for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB6228C1B2 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLyyn-0004pQ-N8 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:36:33 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLyym-0004oH-MY for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:36:32 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLyyh-0001Kw-MN for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:36:32 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Jun 2010 12:35:54 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.113]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp046) with SMTP; 08 Jun 2010 14:35:54 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+PoFJ/kWqPyJtTkNbQxAGcmhxfLAzeJqDo3lnLpv EX+DY/GkaE9GTJ Message-ID: <4C0E3927.1050501@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:35:51 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Weber, Heiko" CC: WebDAV References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1OLyyh-0001Kw-MN 6935422c1a5515c16b51d2897bd7161e X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: DAV:privilege element - multiple child elements? Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13275 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:36:33 +0000 On 07.06.2010 17:18, Weber, Heiko wrote: > How about creating XML Schemas for all WebDAV XML response and request > documents, so that it is really clear what is meant? We have created > such XML schemas for at least some of the documents when we implemented > the WebDAV support in the Tamino XML Server and can share these, if > there is some place where they could be put... > ... Well, we have a DTD and it didn't help. Sometimes a schema language can't express all the constraints properly. So, can XML Schema define a thing like "must have a single child element, but the element name doesn't matter"? Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Jun 8 06:53:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C6D28C1D0 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:53:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.849 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.849 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_39=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7wTHYHtBILlr for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429D828C1BD for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLzDs-0004q9-BR for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:52:08 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLzDr-0004p1-Fz for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:52:07 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLzDl-0007Cl-Rm for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:52:07 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Jun 2010 13:51:29 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.113]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp070) with SMTP; 08 Jun 2010 15:51:29 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/5m8x+9FT5+5QDScc847GGfevuXhPT//1uCYK5Yg IQYbuPOhuif2pX Message-ID: <4C0E4AE1.3030207@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:51:29 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Werner_Donn=E9?= CC: "Weber, Heiko" , WebDAV References: <4C0E3927.1050501@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1OLzDl-0007Cl-Rm 93cb5cac822307277d205b2f3c61f2b9 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: DAV:privilege element - multiple child elements? Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13276 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:52:08 +0000 On 08.06.2010 15:43, Werner Donn� wrote: > It is not possible with XML Schema, but it is with Relax NG: > > http://www.relaxng.org/tutorial-20011203.html#IDAFLZR > > Best regards, > > Werner. Not really a surprise. If we ever rewrite these specs, I'm going to propose to use RelaxNG (compact notation), because of expressiveness and also readability. Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Jun 8 07:46:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA0728C1F8 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:46:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.393 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.393 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=3.306, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_39=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7+kcX98hS7kd for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85B728C1BD for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 07:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OM03k-00017N-MN for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:45:44 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OM03e-000131-9P for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:45:38 +0000 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.146]) by bart.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OM03b-0000Vm-V6 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:45:38 +0000 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so314659eyb.20 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.28.68 with SMTP id l4mr11739676ebc.7.1276004608710; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 06:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.111] (94-226-41-246.access.telenet.be [94.226.41.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm3389316ewy.14.2010.06.08.06.43.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 08 Jun 2010 06:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Werner_Donn=E9?= In-Reply-To: <4C0E3927.1050501@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:43:25 +0200 Cc: "Weber, Heiko" , WebDAV Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4C0E3927.1050501@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: neutral X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1OM03b-0000Vm-V6 e1a56fd79e45efbb7c1a283600293b65 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: DAV:privilege element - multiple child elements? Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13277 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:45:44 +0000 It is not possible with XML Schema, but it is with Relax NG: http://www.relaxng.org/tutorial-20011203.html#IDAFLZR Best regards, Werner. On 08 Jun 2010, at 14:35, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 07.06.2010 17:18, Weber, Heiko wrote: >> How about creating XML Schemas for all WebDAV XML response and = request >> documents, so that it is really clear what is meant? We have created >> such XML schemas for at least some of the documents when we = implemented >> the WebDAV support in the Tamino XML Server and can share these, if >> there is some place where they could be put... >> ... >=20 > Well, we have a DTD and it didn't help. >=20 > Sometimes a schema language can't express all the constraints = properly. >=20 > So, can XML Schema define a thing like "must have a single child = element, but the element name doesn't matter"? >=20 > Best regards, Julian >=20 -- http://www.pincette.biz/ Handling your documents with care, wherever you are. From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed Jun 9 03:10:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D969C3A6955 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:10:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_39=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H5dCMHVHqG+4 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD583A6800 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 03:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OMID6-000728-0q for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:08:36 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OMID5-00070z-1u for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:08:35 +0000 Received: from esmailhost.softwareag.es ([212.49.179.5]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OMID2-00026b-Qf for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:08:35 +0000 Received: from esmailhost.softwareag.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.softwareag.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6F225269 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:07:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from server3.software-ag.de (server3.hq.sag [10.20.90.32]) by esmailhost.softwareag.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A35C25268 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:07:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from server3.software-ag.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.software-ag.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F78914241 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:06:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from DAEMSG01.eur.ad.sag (daemsg01b.eur.ad.sag [10.22.90.92]) by server3.software-ag.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417631423D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:06:58 +0200 (CEST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:06:58 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C0E4AE1.3030207@gmx.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DAV:privilege element - multiple child elements? Thread-Index: AcsHEbPQ+wq4SomoSw6iR1pEPj5upgAp4jPA References: <4C0E3927.1050501@gmx.de> <4C0E4AE1.3030207@gmx.de> From: "Weber, Heiko" To: "WebDAV" Received-SPF: none X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: lisa.w3.org 1OMID2-00026b-Qf 9a60615e483ecd2c3bf315ab41dcbbb1 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: RE: DAV:privilege element - multiple child elements? Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13278 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:08:36 +0000 At the end of this mail is the XML Schema which we have been using for ACLs. I'm not claiming that it is complete, but this schema does limit the number of elements below the DAV:privilege to one and allows any element, but it does not restict the usage of attributes or sub elements. If we allow user defined elements, why do we then want to limit it to be an element without attributes and sub elements though? If all we are interested in is the QName of the element it would make much more sense to simply put an attribute into the DAV:privilege element containing the QName of the privilege. Ok, that was modeled differently historically, so possibly we just have to live with that. best regards, Heiko Weber ---- From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed Jun 9 04:37:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB42628C0FE for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:37:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.624 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.624 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.225, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_38=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_39=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t6mP1a+iOo88 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8202F28C123 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 04:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OMJWw-0003S2-OI for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:33:10 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.63]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OMJWv-0003Qx-Mn for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:33:09 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OMJWr-0008Cl-CC for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:33:09 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Jun 2010 11:32:34 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.113]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp049) with SMTP; 09 Jun 2010 13:32:34 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19uWtYLWetuQmec/d6yq+5Zjs6gtu4sERT6WsG3YF TkGi3ucirl9o4h Message-ID: <4C0F7BCF.7000206@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:32:31 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Weber, Heiko" CC: WebDAV References: <4C0E3927.1050501@gmx.de> <4C0E4AE1.3030207@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: bart.w3.org 1OMJWr-0008Cl-CC 85a6a5e9e67dfd800f975ad50de143b5 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: DAV:privilege element - multiple child elements? Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13279 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:33:10 +0000 On 09.06.2010 12:06, Weber, Heiko wrote: > ... > If we allow user defined elements, why do we then want to limit it to be > an element without attributes and sub elements though? > ... In general, it depends on the context. For instance, DAV:property can be just a name (in the PROPFIND request), or contain stuff (in PROPPATCH, and the PROPFIND result). > ... > If all we are interested in is the QName of the element it would make > much more sense to simply put an attribute into the DAV:privilege > element containing the QName of the privilege. Ok, that was modeled > differently historically, so possibly we just have to live with that. > ... WebDAV mostly avoids attributes, and furthermore processing QNames in content is very easy to get wrong; thus sticking with elements IMHO was the right design decision. 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Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13280 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:30:12 +0000 Hi folks, RFC 2616 in Section 14.25 "If-Modified-Since" states that a 304 should be returned if the resource is not modified. RFC 4918 in Section 12.1 "412 Precondition Failed" states that a 412 should be returned when a conditional header fails to hold. So what should clients expect from WebDAV servers? Second, does If-Modified-Since make sense for PROPFIND or REPORT requests? -- Cyrus Daboo From tomasmake@psu.ac.th Tue Jun 29 18:59:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E92E3A688C for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:59:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.1 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f3ANNtjNZ3qx for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isp6.4u.com.gh (isp6.4u.com.gh [80.87.72.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F0B8128C0E4 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.4u.com.gh (isp6.4u.com.gh [80.87.72.6]) by isp6.4u.com.gh (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0BFC7F9AE; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 01:52:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 74.220.215.247 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ice) by webmail.4u.com.gh with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 01:52:13 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 01:52:13 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Dear psu.ac.th and 4u.com.gh Email account owner From: "PSU.AC.TH ACCOUNT SUPPORT TEAM" Reply-To: tomasmake@yahoo.hk User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal To: undisclosed-recipients:; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear psu.ac.th Email account owner, This is to inform you that we are currently carrying out scheduled maintenance and upgrade our psu.ac.th service and as a result of this,our mail client has been changed and your original password will reset. 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Thank you for using mail.psu.ac.th =A9psu.ac.th account! psu.ac.th ACCOUNT SUPPORT TEAM From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Tue Jun 29 22:13:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8913A6C2D for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:13:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IyrR7O3XT2X5 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D793A6C22 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OTpaP-0000dj-Mp for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:11:49 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OTpaO-0000ce-Mz for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:11:48 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OTpaN-00071J-Ef for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:11:48 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Jun 2010 05:11:15 -0000 Received: from p508FBD62.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.189.98] by mail.gmx.net (mp049) with SMTP; 30 Jun 2010 07:11:15 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18g+1Vyrgwg98sdN9GYs7tjDICdb43ehDGKKz6zfE C4Q8BL+yULDXid Message-ID: <4C2AD1EB.4010705@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 07:11:07 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100512 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cyrus Daboo CC: WebDAV References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass X-SPF-Guess: pass X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: lisa.w3.org 1OTpaN-00071J-Ef 3490a1d684f452e0d98956b6d02500ab X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: 304 or 412 for If-Modified-Since? Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13281 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:11:49 +0000 On 30.06.2010 03:29, Cyrus Daboo wrote: > Hi folks, > RFC 2616 in Section 14.25 "If-Modified-Since" states that a 304 should > be returned if the resource is not modified. Yes. > RFC 4918 in Section 12.1 "412 Precondition Failed" states that a 412 > should be returned when a conditional header fails to hold. That should be reported as an RFC 4918 erratum. WebDAV can't override normative requirements from HTTP/1.1. ( > So what should clients expect from WebDAV servers? They should expect that headers defined in RFC 2616 work as advertised there. > Second, does If-Modified-Since make sense for PROPFIND or REPORT requests? If the resource being addressed responds to GET, and does to with a Last-Modified header, then it makes sense for consistency. However, GET in a collection *usually* only returns information based on the state of the collection and its direct members, so it wouldn't be useful for PROPFIND/Depth=Infinity, and might not be useful at all for REPORT. Of course the same question could be asked about If-None-Match. I think making PROPFIND/REPORT responses more Web-friendly (adding a way to GET those) would help with this issue (hint, hint). Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@listhub.w3.org Wed Jun 30 00:03:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B4E3A6847 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:03:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.184 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.184 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rcz8pJZmDJqN for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A845E3A683C for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from