From nobody Tue Mar 4 09:22:27 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98E71A01D9 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 09:22:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZuZ6sSepDf6x for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 09:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ipedge1.entrust.com (ipedge1.entrust.com [216.191.252.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DDC1A0191 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 09:22:22 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,586,1389762000"; d="scan'208,217";a="2181212" Received: from unknown (HELO sottexchcas.corp.ad.entrust.com) ([10.4.51.93]) by ipedge1.entrust.com with ESMTP; 04 Mar 2014 12:22:19 -0500 Received: from SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com ([fe80::389b:f45b:7ea1:79b7]) by sottexchcas1.corp.ad.entrust.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:22:19 -0500 From: Tim Moses To: "wpkops@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Meeting materials available here ... Thread-Index: Ac83zkrk9MnTDcvwRC2DIGJhEw543A== Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 17:22:18 +0000 Message-ID: <5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA0816@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.4.160.78] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA0816SOTTEXCH10corpa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/wpkops/virLZJCrys-T0o-8cGMs8HwC8D4 Subject: [wpkops] Meeting materials available here ... X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 17:22:25 -0000 --_000_5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA0816SOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/wpkops.html --_000_5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA0816SOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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--_000_5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA0816SOTTEXCH10corpa_-- From nobody Thu Mar 13 12:18:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40691A02E6 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:18:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vlYFcgbFD3pw for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ipedge1.entrust.com (ipedge1.entrust.com [216.191.252.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203B91A04B8 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:18:45 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,648,1389762000"; d="scan'208,217";a="2282746" Received: from unknown (HELO sottexchcas.corp.ad.entrust.com) ([10.4.51.93]) by ipedge1.entrust.com with ESMTP; 13 Mar 2014 15:18:36 -0400 Received: from SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com ([fe80::389b:f45b:7ea1:79b7]) by sottexchcas1.corp.ad.entrust.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 15:18:36 -0400 From: Tim Moses To: "wpkops@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: London meeting minutes Thread-Index: Ac8+8QeXlHZ7j3rMSlaZA9LgmfGc3w== Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:18:35 +0000 Message-ID: <5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA68B6@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.4.160.78] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA68B6SOTTEXCH10corpa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/wpkops/fyX5o1YB0qAlUX6fRlJAoXM7Jdo Subject: [wpkops] London meeting minutes X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:18:47 -0000 --_000_5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA68B6SOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Colleagues - See the minutes here ... http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/wpkops.html All the best. Tim. --_000_5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA68B6SOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Colleagues – See the minutes here …=

 

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/wpkops.html

 

All the best.  Tim.

--_000_5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA68B6SOTTEXCH10corpa_-- From nobody Thu Mar 13 12:39:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8431A078B for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:39:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hmRxIth-v1Cd for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.mozilla.org (mx1.corp.phx1.mozilla.com [63.245.216.69]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75E61A03E2 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (93.243.187.81.in-addr.arpa [81.187.243.93]) (Authenticated sender: gerv@mozilla.org) by mx1.mail.corp.phx1.mozilla.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5308DF3017; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53220953.10502@mozilla.org> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:38:59 +0000 From: Gervase Markham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/29.0a2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Moses , "wpkops@ietf.org" References: <5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA68B6@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> In-Reply-To: <5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA68B6@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 OpenPGP: id=9DF43DBB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/wpkops/R3Obwyqtjno3pbFhW-PWyVPxQAo Subject: Re: [wpkops] London meeting minutes X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:39:11 -0000 On 13/03/14 19:18, Tim Moses wrote: > Colleagues – See the minutes here … > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/wpkops.html "Gerv mentioned that Microsoft hosts a test site." Actually, I mentioned that I had heard that Microsoft had a test _suite_ - and it was in a different context, not in the context of responses to the survey. "Gerv suggested that we allow the survey approach one more “IETF cycle” of four months." ...and then Tim suggested two, which seemed to be more the consensus view, although this is not recorded. Gerv From nobody Thu Mar 13 12:44:46 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9158C1A078B for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:44:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QocArzRd0Mz9 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ipedge1.entrust.com (ipedge1.entrust.com [216.191.252.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067351A075C for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:44:41 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,648,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="2283124" Received: from unknown (HELO sottexchcas.corp.ad.entrust.com) ([10.4.51.224]) by ipedge1.entrust.com with ESMTP; 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Linux i686; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/29.0a2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Moses , "wpkops@ietf.org" References: <5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA68B6@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> <53220953.10502@mozilla.org> <5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA69DD@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> In-Reply-To: <5B68A271B9C97046963CB6A5B8D6F62CB7BA69DD@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 OpenPGP: id=9DF43DBB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/wpkops/OsCoW06y_oBs-1fed4NZ3aa7qUg Subject: Re: [wpkops] London meeting minutes X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:47:20 -0000 On 13/03/14 19:44, Tim Moses wrote: > Thanks Gerv. I'll make the revision. Actually, when I said "two", > my unit of measure was the "month", not the "IETF cycle". Yes, indeed, I understood that. Sorry if my summary did not make it clear. I support the shorter timeline, FWIW. Gerv